Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Leave Her Alone" (w/ Sam Jay)

Episode Date: November 27, 2019

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Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling dong Las Culturistas calling It's Sunday We're drinking sparkling rosé Because our guest came in and said It's Sunday I brought rosé 100% And then the reveal was that it was sparkling

Yeah actually That was actually most pleasing to me Most pleasing to me in my career She buried the lead there though The sparkle is kind of what you come for It's absolutely what you come for And honestly in this The holiday times

Because don't forget that is what it is, you know we got to be celebrating with a little bit of sparkle. We got to celebrate with a little bit of sparkle. It's the poinsettias of beverages. You know, there are times when I do like a Prosecco moment. There's times when I do like a... Rosé moment. A Rosé moment.

And you get the best of both. And here we get the best of both. She brought damn Vove. It's Vove. Is this an expensive moment? Absolutely. Because I don't know. I'm trash. I'm trash too.

So the other day I had to go buy wrap gifts for everyone. For a game show. And I was like, what's good to buy? And I went into the liquor store, that's sweet. For a game show. And I was like, hmm, what's good to buy? And I went into the, you know, the liquor store, as she's called,

and this town, and I went in and I was like, where's the Vove? I was like, I feel like that's like a high class thing. And what did someone say? Well, I didn't ask that.

I was embarrassed. So what I ended up doing was I ended up buying just some nice, it said champagne on it. I mean, I don't know. It's a product of England champagne. A full champagne bottle? $60.

Is that okay? Is it one bottle for every single person? No, just I got the line produced or something and I got our producer to drag something. It technically can't be champagne unless it comes from France. From the area of champagne. And so this is culture. We have a cultur with us apparently she is she is the opposite of trash

because she class she outclasses me every damn day well i'm not going to dispute you on that it's truly true and because i know you you know me but then she will come in and she'll be like what the fuck she'll either compliment what you're wearing or she'll be like what the fuck is this or what the fuck is this all right and i kind of want to hear i kind of want to hear from her in a second about what your ratio is what you particular ratio is because i we we know that ratio like ratio to what the fuck is from what the fuck is this okay slay but um i will say in order to set this guest up you have to talk about that she's literally one of the funniest people ever one of the funniest people ever um i fucking love watching her perform she always gets my mind going yeah i

met our guest at jfl we were the same class jfl and i'm fucking i remember i was in the i was watching the new faces stand-ups and i was like oh this doesn't even feel like a new face moment this feels like a moment my mother and father were there and they were my mother could not stop speaking about it and let me tell you something some of the content not for a lot of moms but but my mother she crossed over filthy mother she's dirty but our guests can cross over

into the mother mind yeah still appeal to that sector and it's very fascinating to watch your mom watch Sam J perform because like sometimes she'll be like she went off on this one thing and that i was like oh my god this is this is untamed this is wild and i just saw my ma i turned around and my mom was clapping like a seal like like a damn seal like a fool like a seal fool

you know some of these seals up in c road that act like fools this is my mother and i'm telling you it was sort of like she was talking about like i think it was a joke like like i i do not remember what it was but it was like i just i was shocked to see my mother respond yeah in this way this was years ago decades oh my god but i was like okay my mom is standing my mom is standing well listen you can check her out comedy lineup on netflix yeah uh saturday night live saturday night live right damn album right tour right tour Well, listen, you can check her out. Comedy lineup on Netflix. Yeah. Saturday Night Live. Saturday Night Live. She's got a damn album out. Rytor.

Rytor. And her special's going to be so fine. Here we fucking go. Oh, she told me the name, and I think it's a really good fucking name. Go for it. Say it. Oh, wait.

You say it. Three in the morning. Three in the morning. Because it's those thoughts that come into your head at three in the morning that are pure, clear. You have clarity. I mean, and she can expand on this more,

but you want to welcome it? It's brave to name your special after a Kamala Harris campaign slogan. Damn. So please welcome to your ears, Sam J. What's good? Hey guys,

you guys are entertaining. What? Let me tell you, that's actually the idea. This is good. Oh, good. You were coming here expecting two

fucking boring ass people I was very entertained imagine if we like just had flopped and were boring in front of

Sam and Jay come on now you gotta turn it on we have the we have the star here I flop all the

time you do not in front of Sam so I'm done with you and yourself facing bullshit you're a star

I share a damn dressing room with Chris Rad. Yes. The prince of all princes. We love. And then sometimes Sam will hang out

in that room as she's welcome to do and she'll be sitting there and I'm like, you know what? I gotta, she belongs here more than I do.

And I'll leave. You know what? Yeah. I actually agree. I actually am in a cosign. I just been, cause it's been Chris's room for like three years.

Three years at this point. So I've always been i know i know sometimes i feel bad i'm like i hope i'm not making for who for you no i'm i'm running around all the time he's in your space i mean that's true that is true i don't know in that place god damn right god damn right wait okay three in the morning and then because you like went into this beautiful explanation to me when you told me what it was. Oh, yeah, man. I just think it's the time where this album is actually, I mean, this hour special is actually getting made. 3 a.m. is when I'm usually getting home from my cellar spots that I've been in all late. If I'm going to argue with my girl about being out all night, it probably happens around 3 in the morning.

She is fucking gorgeous. Thank you so much. Stunning. And then one of the nicest people ever. Beautiful, nice, kind. you know she is fucking gorgeous thank you so much stunning and then one of the nicest people ever beautiful nice kind

so yeah it's just kind of where I feel like the grit and the stuff that's gonna make this hour feel good

that's where it's coming totally did you say that's when you write a lot too or no it's when I'm thinking a lot I'm processing a lot like usually I get out

of the cell maybe 2, 2.30 and I'll like take a long cab ride home to or no uh it's what i'm thinking a lot i'm processing a lot like usually i get out the maybe 2 2 30 and i'll like take a long cab ride home kind of listen to tape think you know yeah wow do you get a lot out of what listening to yourself back i hate to do it uh i don't do it unless i have a thing going on like i'm preparing for something in general i won't do it unless I have a thing going on. Like I'm preparing for something. In general, I won't do it. Yeah. But it is kind of crucial when you're like putting an hour together. Trying to refine. Yeah.

Just to remember certain tags that you're not going to remember. You know, just beats and stuff that. And just also kind of trying to figure out those segues. It's kind of important to like hear yourself. To kind of figure out like, oh, this is where I was trying to go. You know? Yeah. Yeah.

That's beautiful. That's perfect. I always, whenever I see myself back see myself back i'm like oh i'm pausing a lot i noticed that like what feels like waiting for like some things to subside actually is just like you're not but it's that you gotta get back into it for you is that bad well when you're trying to put a special together i would imagine you want that shit to feel really tight yeah i think you want it i don't even know though see i don't know if it's i think that's more of a like a late night spot right sure sure with a special you want a little breathing yeah you want it to breathe a little bit you want to sit in in moments you don't want to feel you know but you want everything to be funny but i think you do have a little more

opportunity to like sit in spaces with stuff and not feel like got to get to the next show, got to get to the next show, got to get to the next show. Because you can cut around it if you go over or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I don't even think the time. I don't really think about time. Yeah. Anyway, it's just like when I'm done talking, that's when it will be done. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Because like if I have the time in my head, that's just another layer of shit to make me go crazy over that really doesn't fucking matter anyway. So it's kind of like, I don't even care if the shit layers at 45. If it's a good 45, then it's a good 45. You know what I mean? If it's good and it does what it's supposed to do, I'm not going to trip over 15 minutes. I'm not going to trip over five minutes. I'm just going to go up and talk until I have nothing else to say.

And I feel like it's complete. You know what I mean? Whose specials have you seen recently that you've been like, okay, they did it the right way? Oh man, I don't watch specials. I'm such a fucking weirdo. No, no, no, I get it.

I get it. I don't watch a lot of specials. I feel like that's smart. I don't like to see a lot of people's stuff and then be like influenced or even feel like, oh, now that I've heard Daisha Peltz is so trans

that I can't do anything trans. Like it's just a lot of stuff that gets in your head. So I just try to keep my space from stuff like that. I did watch Chappelle's new special because it's Chappelle. It's just like, you're not gonna not watch it. And I watched like Rocks, Tambourine. And I would say like out of like a person

that kind of did a first special that I admired, their first special was thought, this is on the level of what I want mine to feel like. It may not be exactly that. It may not have that full circle-ness that this special had, but it should feel like a moment like that. It was Ali Wong's for sure. Ali Wong, yeah.

For sure was probably one of the best specials I saw in the last five, six years. Yeah, yeah. Like debut for a debut or two. It was incredible. She's like a machine gun on stage. It was so good. It was so good. It was so good.

She just like seamlessly, I keep watching that one back, Baby Cobra, and I watch the intro where she just like slips into it. She's just like, okay, I gotta get out of here because I have to pee.

That's what I've been focusing on lately. The intro, the beginning? It's like, how do I want this party to kick off? Yeah. You know, because I do want it to feel that way, just like casual. I kind of feel like I want it to start in the middle of a thought a bit.

Right, right, right. You know? Uh-huh, uh-huh. See how that feels. So yeah, those are like the pieces now, the ins and the outs, you know? The ins and the outs. I feel like the middle is all there. It's just like, how am I going to get in this thing?

How am I going to get out of this thing? Yeah, right, right. Wait, I'm a dime ass. Did you record it already or did you shoot it? No get out of this thing? Yeah, right, right. Wait, I'm a dime ass. Did you record it already? Did you shoot it? No, you're about to. Yeah, February. February. And where is that happening? Atlanta. Atlanta. And that's going to be,

I think, really, like, how involved do you get to be with Netflix? I mean, this is probably a network-specific thing, but, like, you're going to be editing this thing yourself, too. I mean, I'll be there. Yeah, I'll be there. Enough to know that they're doing what I want done, you know gonna be editing this thing yourself too. Or you're gonna be sitting in the- I mean, I will be there. Yeah, I'll be there. Enough to know that they're doing what I want done. You know?

For sure, which will be awful, because that means I'll have to watch myself, which is gonna drive me insane. I think you get better at it though. Like I used to hate- I just don't like watching myself. It sucks. I don't do it.

I don't watch anything. I don't watch anything. I didn't watch my Netflix 15. I didn't do it. I don't watch anything. I don't watch anything. I didn't watch my Netflix 15. I didn't watch my Comedy Central half hour. I don't watch TV. I don't watch shows. I don't watch Broad City. I don't watch anything.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I make it up. I'm the same way. I feel like because, is it because you feel like you're doing comedy all the time that it's not something you want to be like, yeah. Also, there's nothing I can do yeah so if I watch it and I'm like oh yeah it's just like

why put myself you're not gonna get the stage again I can't do it it's over with you know like what I don't just mental health really yeah it's the healthy thing totally is there any purpose around watching it so that the next time you do something it'll be like different or something or no I mean it's like i know the shit i did up there i know what felt wonky yeah yeah because

you know what's going on now though is that i taught chris how to use fine cut so we use this app at work where after a sketch is blocked or after after it rehearses it immediately gets uploaded to the server and then to this app where you can just pull it up pull up like a video recording by day by sketch by the rehearsal or whatever stage it's at and chris and i are just in our dressing rooms sitting across from each other silent watching ourselves back on this like just constantly constantly constantly just to like fix things because i think we need to but it's like, I don't know what this is going to do to my mental health long-term. I mean, I think it's like, if you're like a sketch performer, there's probably more need to do that.

Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, it's like, I don't know. What the fuck am I going to watch on stage and go, I didn't like the way I walked to the left. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it hard with like the blocking of it all out of Chanel like is it weird with the cue card

literally like is it a weird state of being it's just super technical and like it's I used to watch and it was just too crazy man I just remember being stuck like oh you say and too much and then like why are you touching your face right there it's just like just being so

on my soul cause you're watching yourself be on stage it's not like it's not like you're playing a character where it's like oh i i could have done this and hit that beat a little bit harder of this sketch it's like you're watching yourself exist so you're gonna critique your own existence for me it's like at some point just it's not yeah not a good not a thing for me it's just watching myself and seeing through the bullshit and like the artifice and I'm like ooh I don't do that in my normal life why am I like adding this affect

why am I like doing why am I touching my face like that like I don't do that shit normally right I don't know

it might be a little unhealthy I think now when you describe it I don't know it's like it's good and bad I just think I'm at a place where I'm past doing that

and I'm just kind of like cool with how I am. And like, it's just going to be what it is. Yeah. Okay. That's perfect. I will say hearing Sam J laugh in any scenario, but especially at Wednesdays at read-throughs, it's like, that's like the best laugh in the whole room.

Truly. I didn't know you were going to hear it. I hear you like, I hear you like, do like the high-pitched snicker, like, I'm just like, Sam is laughing,

like, fucking, I'm like, okay, great, this is good, like, we're going.

I love when it's fun. I love when I'm laughing. Sometimes I'm like, happier when nothing, I have nothing in the first half, or, like,

I just like to get myself out the way, or like, it's closer to the end so I Or I just like to get myself out the way or it's closer to the end so I can just chill and listen to the read and just be entertained. The worst is when you have something in the second half. How long is it all together, the table read? Three and a half hours.

Seriously? Yeah. Each half is like an hour and 20 minutes and then there's like a 25 minute break in between. That's a long time. Yeah. It's a lot of sketches to go over. And then there's like a 25 minute break in between. That's a long time. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lot of sketches to go over.

And you really are like winded, like on either side, both as a writer and. How are you feeling at the table now, right? That's so different. It's so different. Your first day,

I was so proud of you. I was like, oh, at the table, doing table shit. Yeah. It was really fun. It was fun.

And then. You're killing it. Thanks, babe. That means a lot because the feedback is most important of the people who like know what goes into it. Yeah, the people That means a lot because the feedback is most important of the people who know what goes into it.

Yeah, the people that are like, yeah, here's with you. Yeah, yeah. Thanks, babe. What are the snacks like? Does anyone eat the snacks at the table?

Oh, everyone eats the snacks. I eat some of them. Some of it's crazy. Some of it's like stale peanut butter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this weird chicken wrap that looks like it's been out for days.

The chicken wrap is bad. And people eat the chicken wrap, which I think is insane because that thing looks wild. But there's also good candy. Okay, crap services, hope you're not listening. There's also good candy and there's fruit and there's some edible stuff. Whenever it gets posted on Instagram,

the actual spread, that looks like a fucking feast of like appetizers it's the table is covered oh and there's some weird meat on a stick that just be out too that looks super sus

there's weird meat on a stick that's out meat on a stick that's out is not it's just none of it looks like it came

from anywhere that's the other problem it just appears and you're like I don't really know where any of these items come from where was it stored

right where was it stored where was it made there's like really no answer and then outside the room in the hallway there's just like a table full of like

roast beef sandwiches other random food like someone will get cats or like tacos and just like throw it in the hall and for some reason it's separate from

all the other stuff anyway this is and it's all cold none of it it's all cold no hot food at the table no hot food at the table well with the three and a half hour fucking situation.

I know. But then, so I'm in Leslie's old seat. Yeah. And Leslie would bring like specific snacks that like all her table neighbors would eat. So Kyle, Heidi, and Aidy would all like eat from Leslie's snacks. She brought like those giant cinnamon gummy bears. She brought like spicy Cheez-Its. She brought like all these cinnamon gummy bears she brought like uh like spicy cheese that she brought like all these like wacky but good things at least you know it's like

store-bought it's from the actual packaging you see where it's all yeah happening yeah so we're gonna we're gonna revive it anyway leslie was such a present leslie was such like a presence as her absence felt i think so yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it was good. Yeah. Yeah, but anyway, that's like the table read snack situation for now. Wow. I was wondering if it's like a bunch of actors who are like scared to touch the food because it's a test. Oh, not a test.

Like the host ever housing the food. No, because Lauren is just like reaching over all the time. Oh, really? Grabbing a carrot stick. Yeah, he's always grazing. Getting his edamame or whatever. Yeah, baby. Oh, I love edamame. Yeah. Edam he's always grazing. Getting his edamame or whatever. Yeah, baby.

Oh, I love edamame. Yeah. Edamame's always on the table. Always on the table. When I'm consulted. Wow. If I'm part of the, if I'm part of the decision.

Oh, wow. Wow. Are you excited that it's Atlanta? Did you pick that it was in Atlanta? I did pick Atlanta. Great.

Why? I didn't want to do it in Boston because I was worried. Because, because what's your relationship with Boston? You're from Boston. I'm pick Atlanta. Great. Why? I didn't want to do it in Boston because I was worried. Because what's your relationship with Boston? You're from Boston. I'm from there. Yeah.

My whole family lives there. Yeah. I just thought it was, I grew up there my whole life. So I just thought it was going to be too much. Yeah. A lot to balance. Too many, yeah, it's just hard to balance. And it was like my first one.

I already know I'm going to be in my head a bit, you know, and I just need space to like create. And I just felt like it was just going to be too many friends, too many family, too much access. Just too much, too much, too much. You got to get the mix. Whereas in Atlanta, I lived for a long time. You know, I went down there for college and stayed. So it still feels like home.

I still have friends. And it's not too far that like family who gives a shit enough can fly there or whatever, you know? But it will eliminate some of that like noise of just randos and whoever that wouldn't, you know, in Boston can just walk up the street, you know? Rob Markman Yeah. Yeah. So, and then plus it's a black city and I wanted a good amount of black people in the audience.

Especially with the type of material I do, I don't ever want it to come off as if I only play it to a white audience. Exactly. So that was important. And Atlanta's very gay and black, which was also super important to me to just have myself represented in the audience, you know? And that's really why.

That's a huge deal. That's perfect. That's a great comedy city. We did Not On Things So Honey there and it was one of our better shows. Do you like Boston? Culturally, do you like being there? That's a tough question.

It's tough to get asked about your hometown in Maryland. Well, yeah, I know that. It's so tough because it is bad for obvious reasons. It's racist and stuff like that. But it's also where I grew up. You know what I mean? And like there's also a whole black culture that doesn't really get exposed or or talked about that yeah I loved you know and I was my whole family was there so it's like it was home for me yeah so for me it's love

it's home it's the things I grew up with you know it's not racism but that was definitely a part yeah it. I was definitely aware that that goes on. But I don't even know if it's more racist than any place else. I feel like it's so weird when people say, like, Boston. It's like, I don't know if I felt, you know,

it was more racist than New York or more racist than, you know. I feel like I get a very, like, patriarchal energy from boston where it's just kind of like i whenever i think of boston and i let my mind go it's kind of like i scream i feel like oh i picture like and this is not fair but like oh it's drunk white dude screaming in the streets like it's kind of like that's an accurate frame for it yeah it is a very white town and and i guess that is the racism that's different than other places.

It's a very white institution type town. Sure. So they do push black people to the corner of the city. You wouldn't really know that the city had a black identity if you didn't know where to go to find it. Sure, sure. You know what I mean? You would just assume it's all back bay and colleges and stuff. So I don't know. Yeah yeah it's a good taste of love

hate thing i guess yeah i get you here's what and i i don't know if this is just a lazy way of thinking i feel like every city in america like just contains multitudes and that's it like truly like everywhere you go like and especially like matt and i traveling last year and probably you like from touring it's like i go to different places and i'm like surprised at like oh how similar like how the common themes are all there yeah yeah yeah like truly like across the board for sure like everywhere's like all these places are like like the for better for worse like the themes are all there consistent where it's like okay oh so this is a neighborhood that's getting gentrified right

that's yeah yeah you can see it which is weird because like uh that's the truth when they say traveling makes the world so small. Yeah. Oh. Sam. And you made a face. You're like. Yeah. It's like. But it's like going to like.

Because I'm going to every city now and every place tells me. Like the locals will come up to me and be like. Yeah, like Houston or Portland or Chicago or blank or blank or blank. We have a really bad history of segregation. I'm like, guess so every city has a bad america that's america it's not unique to like these yeah it was there was no like place where they were like we're not doing it you know like now everyone was kind of doing it at one point yeah so yeah that's what it was it's like fucking atlanta now like my sister's like in dunwoody where it's like she's with all the fucking white people and like that's great and like she's they're

happy there but it's like i whenever i go to atlanta i don't i just go straight like north to fucking you know and you see a whole nother atlanta than someone's on the east side exactly hanging out in decatur you know right and i'm like oh i would i would like want to sort of get like a like a good sampling of all of this and like that's why i like i try to like go to like midtown every now and then when i when i'm there or just like when matt and i were there we just get your gay on yeah okay we went to pond city i'm always shocked that there's like gays in every city you know what i mean it's just weird like whenever like when we went to like we did like um like when we do we went to texas yeah and did shows there and people

showed up for the show so i was like oh cool yeah they're out here and then honestly it's like because our show has like 30 comics on it and it's majority like women people of color and lgbt people and it's just it's oh it's always just interesting that there there's like a scene there but there's not like an active scene in every city and so that's something i think we take for granted in new york it's like these shows aren't just popping up everywhere so i guess i'm curious about like that's something that also not to be this person but i also think it's something that white men take for granted yeah because it's very hard to find active black gay scenes anywhere. You know what I mean?

Like, even in like, it's like Atlanta has one. But even in New York, it's not really like. It's not out there. It's not exposed. Boston. So it's like if you do want to party, you have to go out with the white gays and mostly white gay men. And that's just going to be the vibe. And then there's like four like.

And it's especially hard for lesbians because we don't even go outside so we have a whole other thing to fucking deal with which is like insane but you and y'all went to Poppy Juice I know I mean it's like

I loved that I'm glad I'm in a relationship now like me and y'all will go hang but like when I was out here just trying to be like single dykin it was miserable because I'm like even when lesbians go out

we couple out we go out in couples there's not a lot of like single lesbian scenes right like hookup scenes except for atlanta except for atlanta i was in heaven what is it atlanta describe it describe it atlanta is just it's like what you would think atlanta is we're just gay just gay so it's like the same stuff. It's like booty music. It's like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like trap music. It's, you know, old Atlanta bounce and stuff like that. And like, that's what the club will play.

And just like play with people listening on the radio. But it'll just be like all lesbians. This is the first city I ever experienced that where you could go to a club that called like 300 people and it'll be full of black lesbians. And it was like, okay, everyone in here is like available to fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That, that you're, you're describing that. And it's like, and I'm sorry to say this from, from my own fucking loves, but that sounds so rare. It is like just that specific scenario where you can like listen to Megan, a stallion and have a chick like twerk on you and be like yes oh my god

exactly and not have to listen to like a weird house version yeah exactly it just is what it is it is what it is let music be the music

wait really quickly I have to say before but I do want to keep talking about this but I do have to say that Sam Jay is the reason why I listen to Megan Thee Stallion

really at work on a Saturday one time so by proxy same yeah exactly Bowen brought it to me Tina Snow had just come out and Sam

comes over to me and she goes I think you'd really like Megan Thee Stallion I was like great and then I listened to it fell in love listen to it you were like listen to Big Ol' Freak I was like great I listened to it I was like Big Ol' Freak this is fucking insane yeah and then she when she was on when Chance was hosting I told I went up to Megan I was

like um one of our writers Sam Jay told me about you and I listened and then she was like oh great I told you what she said right she was like I saw you guys on the TV this looks so fun and I was like she was like I wanna do this I was like you should

oh my god did you get to meet her when she was there no did you go up to her did you see her like in person though yeah I saw her

like walking around the hottest person I've ever seen in my life oh my god she is stunning stunning fucking stunning like y'all won't even

let me watch her on the TV. Wow. I'm in total love. Really? Oh my God. Okay. How long have you guys been together? Oh man.

We've been like fucking around off and on for 10 years. Really? And then how'd you guys meet again? You told me. My friend's car broke down in front of her house. Oh, you didn't tell me. I didn't know about this. Wait, you didn't tell me.

I love that. Wait, what is that story? We were leaving the club and we were like, it was like a big group of us and she was like a part, like a satellite part of that group. So I saw her in the club. And then my friend got in a fight, black lesbian, Atlanta drama.

My friend got in a fight with her girl. Her girl smacked her in the club. It was a whole thing. So they were like fighting all the way out the club. So me and my homie were following our homie who was fighting her girl. Yeah. They, and the girl that they were fighting was Yaa's homie.

So then they were like arguing in front of Yaa's house and then they took off together. We were like, okay, they're crazy, whatever. And we pulled out to leave and we hit a curb because my friend Goose was high. We hit a curb. Goose. Goose was high. Hit a curb, blew the tire out um and we were just sitting out there waiting i had a girlfriend at the time we were waiting on my girlfriend to come

pick us up and y'all came back downstairs because she had seen us sitting on the curb and she was like hey if you guys want some water or something like that oh that's yeah that's so yeah so her she was like you don't gotta sit out here you know it's hot so we went up and she was just talking to us in the kitchen and she had a girl at the time. And I was just like enamored. I was just like, I was for sure. She has a quality. Yeah.

She definitely does. And then Goose got her number on some Let's Be Friends and I'll hang out. And I was like, Goose, I like that girl. So we would, like Goose would arrange these hangs and we would just be hanging. And then one day drunk at a club, I said something very forward. How long into like the friendship was this? This was maybe like a week.

Okay. Like a week or a week and a half. Good timing. Two might have been two. It's a critical spot. Yeah. I said something super forward. She was receptive.

She listened. She heard you. She heard me yeah made arrangements to go to her house uh huh well first we were

talking on the phone I still had a girlfriend I was such a dog when I was in Atlanta that's okay such a dog so I still had a girlfriend and then she was like

why don't you have a girlfriend I was like who says I didn't oh but I think she kinda liked my boldness about it. Yeah. And I think I took that.

That would, that would like, that's super hot. The fact that you said that is very weird. Honestly, yeah, because no one just says what they mean.

So, yeah, I said that and I told her that I wanted her to be my mistress. I was just. Oh my God. That actually, the sad thing is

it is hot to hear that. Like, I was just on my super back end. You know what I'm saying? Yes. Oh my God. Actually, the sad thing is it is hot to hear that. Like, I was just on my super back end. You know what I'm saying? And then what? And then we linked up like two days later and then we did it. And then I called my girlfriend that night and dumped her. Uh-huh.

I know, which was terrible. How did she take that? Not good. It was a whole thing. Did she know why? Or you were just like, for reasons I will not disclose. I was just like, I didn't go into all of it, but she was kind of aware. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, but I like, once we had sex, I was like, oh, I'm going to want to do this all the time. That's great. But then, but then didn't y'all still have a girl at this time? No, no, no. She had broken up with her girl over this whole span that we were like being friends. They had a thing. So they were kind of already on the outs, I guess. So she was out here just bingling, you know?

And then I just like chased her around for years like an idiot. Yeah. Oh. Sweet. And then we stopped talking for a bit i got married then we happened to be in new york at the same time saw each other in new york and then i was like i still love this fucking girl this is ridiculous still try to make my marriage work it did it and now here we are when i met you at jfl is that when you were going through a divorce

i was like on the ends of it yes yeah yeah that when you were going through a divorce I was like on the ends of it yes yeah I remember you talked about that a lot in your set yeah

yeah the sip of the rosé is happening but that's I mean what you two have is like so special yeah you can tell

I love her man she's like truly my best friend yeah and um she's just such a good person she's got a man. She's like truly my best friend. Yeah. And she's just such a good person. Yeah, she's got a vibe. Like she's like, she has a light that I don't, which is so dope. It's just like her energy is so pure and like big.

Like she has a big heart for like everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She really does. She's dope. Is she, does she watch a lot of your stuff? Is she a Sam J fan? She goes to like every show she could. She would go to every show, but she goes to a lot of shows.

But you know what's so dope? Like I used to be so resistant of it because I was so protective of comedy and like I felt like it was mine and I didn't want anyone in. And she's always like, why don't you let me in more? And I'm like, I don't really know what you mean by that, but really I was being so guarded with it. And now she goes to shows and stuff and she impresses the hell out of me because she loves me that much and she pays attention that much and she knows jokes.

So sometimes when I change stuff, she knows. She knows when I change things or she'll remember she knows, she knows when I change things. Yeah. Or she'll like remember something I said and be like, babe, you know, that would work with the thing you said two days ago. Wow.

And it'd be like, it will be truly super helpful. The notes are good. They're good. And they're like super helpful because she's really paying attention. And also she knows you so well. So she can feel when something is coming out of you in a truthful way. Right.

And one time I remember I was on stage. I was on stage and I was talking, talking, talking, talking, talking. And it's on tape somewhere, which she loves. She loves these documented, I saved the day moments. But I was on stage talking and I forgot where I was going. I was like, yeah, I totally forgot where I was going. And y'all yelled out like applesauce. And I was like, that was where I was going. But it was yelled out like applesauce and I was like that was where I was

going yeah but it was like I was doing a new set it wasn't like I was doing a like routine she had seen before I was doing a new set but she just knew like my thought process wow that was the next logical spot for I don't you know it was crazy yeah it was like that is exactly what I was about to go yeah what does she do she's an interior designer oh nice she's very good she's very good at any kind of visual i remember sam and i did a photo shoot one time and oh yeah she was just out there she was just like fixing like where things were set and like she was she was she was not working our clothes fixing her clothes i was like oh yeah she's great like that you know people with that

eye it's like yeah yeah and she's like such a good oh yeah she's great like that you know what I mean people with that eye it's like yeah yeah and she's like such a good partner yeah and it's interesting that you were like before like I didn't

I was very protective of that and like of my work and I didn't think I would let anyone in especially a significant other but it's like what's the alternative

would the alternative just be that like Yaa like wouldn't be wouldn't have any investment in like what your work was. And then she's totally separate from what you do. I don't know because I didn't grow up seeing any example of it.

My parents just both had jobs and they come home and then they just both go to jobs. So it was like with this thing. And also protective because it truly saved my fucking life in a way. You know what I mean? So, so like guarded with how that energy is being messed with. You know what I mean?

And so I never really seen examples of how you like let someone into something. Sure, sure. So personal because I didn't grow up seeing that type of energy. So it was just, I just felt like that's i do this yeah and then our what we do is what we do right yeah you know and i didn't get why she was pushing but it was like she was pushing because she's like this is so important yeah that's how do you expect me to be fully out of something that matters to you so much and also stand up is not super collaborative anyway it's super comes from you And so to have someone else be.

And you don't want to hear your girls, my girls tags like, I'm straight baby. But that's not, but we just had to learn like a language and like, that's not what she does. She doesn't give me tags, you know. But she'll be like,

don't forget that piece or don't drop that or why don't you say that anymore. Right, right, right, right. And sometimes it's like, because I completely forgot I said it or oh, because of reason, you know? But it's also just good to have someone

that I trust that much to download in. Because now I talk to her, like I'll call her after sets at the cellar in the cab and be like, yeah, that thing did work, babe, or it didn't, or I don't know. I was a little frustrated with this part of it. Right, right.

And it's like, before I would just keep all that stuff in and then she's feeling that energy she feels that that's on me when I come home

and I'm not sharing something and that makes her feel isolated you know I just had to learn I think man it's just a lot of us don't grow up

in real loving households and you don't realize that to you out in the world so it's like I just had to learn how to let someone love me because that's really all she was trying to do and. So it's like, I just had to learn how to let someone love me. Yeah. Because that's really all she was trying to do.

For sure. And even if it's like, I don't like it, I can vocalize that. Totally. Be vocal about that, but I got to let her love me. You know what I'm saying?

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like, because she does her own thing, and it is creative, and, like, she is obviously very creative and does have that love for you, and she gets it. You know, that's the thing is, like, in my relationship now, it's like, he does not do what I do, but he does get it and can help.

And likewise. And that is, is like ideally what you want is it should feel like like the pieces come together yeah but when you don't have all that like if you're not seeing examples of that you know you're like I'm do I did this comedy thing on my own this is all me you know what I mean and you're coming with that energy then it's like someone's like hey let me tell you what I think. Or just, you're like, no, get away. This is mine. You know what I mean? And at the end of the day, you are the, I guess at the end of the day, like if there were to be credits, you would still be the creator executive producer of the project. That is you. So it's like, you know what I mean?

It's just a piece that supplements the whole. And also, you know, for sure that it's coming from a good, positive, loving place. It's not this thing where it's like, I have to question the motive. Yeah, no. Yeah, but it was like, I just had to let my guard down. Because at first when she was giving,

like, hey, babe, I have an idea right here. I'm like, I'm taking offense to that. Like, oh, you think you can tell me how to do? Yeah, that you can tell. And it's like, that's not where this energy is coming from at all. So let it be pure because it is pure you're putting impurities in it yeah it doesn't take away from your credibility

at all you know uh wait where were you going to school for i know i went to school for communication i went to school for the thing you go to school for when you don't want to go to school yes that broad ass major you don't want to be there okay but before before you knew you wanted to do comedy, what was, did you have like any, great. I was just doing a bunch of stuff, man. I was party promoting in Atlanta for a while. Then I worked in music in Atlanta for like four or five years.

I got this team of people and started like, it's this independent label. We opened up a studio. I was just doing stuff, trying to figure out. But there's like an abundance of that. What the hell? What the fuck is going on? Which I think a lot an abundance of that what the hell what the fuck is going on which i think a lot of people have i mean i i genuinely think we all go to college

too fucking early i really think like and i've seen it happen so many times people that just they they're in these schools and they're paying the money and you i don't know if you i think it's a very the percentage of people that actually know what they want to do or feel like they're okay to say what they want to do at 18 years old very small yeah and then it's even harder like uh when you're coming from these communities i don't have access to stuff information so it's like now like i'm a comedy writer right i remember being a person who's interested in comedy as a kid i like to write you know what i'm saying but when i think about like who is going to point me in that direction in my family and my school system right any of that to the point where i didn't even know that was a thing you could do

exactly i know understanding you could be that right or go to school for that yeah but none of that for me i thought you just accidentally became those type of things. You know? Like, you just got lucky, and then life just kind of worked out for you. But I didn't know there was, like, a career path to it because I didn't have access to that information. You know what I'm saying? Well, you forget that people write that shit. You know what I mean? As a kid, you're watching it, and you're like, these are the actors doing it.

It must be simple, or you kind of just buy into it. Even on a level, like like once I was in high school and stuff and I'm like oh I think I want to be a TV writer in my neighborhood it wasn't a lot of like

how to get to that even like a guidance counselor at that school would be like I don't know how because it's not like what are you you know what I'm saying

of course I do and it's like at the end of the day now I write for SNL and it's such a roundabout way that I got here. And now that I'm a full-grown person,

I'm like, I live in a city. I live in Boston, dude. Emerson is the number one comedy writing school maybe in the country. And it was up the street from my house. And I didn't even know you could go to school to do something like that. I had no idea that was even a thing.

How would you know? But then you know it's not even a geographical gap. It's that was even a thing. How would you know? But then you know, it's not even a geographical gap. It's truly socioeconomic. No, that's what I'm saying. Absolutely. That's what I'm saying. It's like people think it's like,

oh, it's, no man. Be in the right place. No man, I lived there. Yeah. And I'm sure that these other more established school systems were having kids from Emerson come talk

or if there was kids that had that type of interest, they were creating clubs and stuff for these kids to do. You know what I'm saying? I just didn't live in a neighborhood with no access like that.

You know, this is a little bit of a sidebar, but recently, Kamala Harris said she wants to, she's like championing a bill that would make

the school day go to 6 p.m. The school would start at the same time and it would go to 6 p.m. And I don at the same time and it would go to 6 p.m and i don't necessarily know the nuts and bolts or why this is happening but i was watching it get discussed on tv and i was thinking about it and i was like this is such a kind of weird thing to mandate for everyone because when you have certain school systems that do not have the kinds of um opportunities in school or like areas in school

like not every school has like a school yard not every school has like this that the other thing so that they can be doing extracurriculars at the school so I feel like it's kind of a you would have to fully and you'd also have to fully like revamp school in a way yes like I went to I went to a progressive weird charter

school and we did stay in school to like six. But not by a mandate. It was just kind of the structure. Like after school, it was open. You know, the school was just like, we never going to close. Like the principal was so dedicated to the community. He was one of those dudes, like he wouldn't leave till the last student left.

And a lot of students would hang around. And it's not a bad idea in the sense that a lot of kids are going with parents at jobs and stuff they're going home to nothing yeah yeah being alone or right and then the things that they find to fill their time or like whatever to it sure right right having you know maybe not just straight curriculum but and that's what happened like clubs started being made just by students because we would be there right and teachers would be like hanging out and notice that bunch students hanging out like clubs started very organically. Things started to create,

like so your school day would extend. Right, right, right. But you're saying that that's what happened at your school? Oh, great. I think it's like, it's a very, it's a positive idea to say we're going to make school the community.

Sure, but it's also like- Yeah, and that's exactly what the school like whole base was. It was that school is the community and we care about you beyond just what's going on with you in this building. And they recognized the need for that in that type of neighborhood. Yes. You know what I mean? And it was such a, it changed my life.

It saved my life. That was another moment where my life was saved. You know, my mom had died. I was spiraling. And I remember going to the principal, David Paragel. I remember just being over it, bro. I was getting kept back, bro, because I wasn't in school, because of my mom and all that. It's hard to feel motivated when you're going through things.

So I was just feeling like, fuck it, you know? Yeah, yeah. And I went to him, and I was like, yo, I'm dropping out. I was 18. I was like, I ain't coming back. I'm dropping out. I was 18. I was like, I ain't coming back. I'm dropping out, bro. Yeah. Like, I need whatever.

It's like you had to get something from them. Like some sort of thing that's allowing you to go. Yeah, like a form you can send. Yeah, you're saying I'm out of here or something. And he was like, no. I'm not letting you do that. He said, take two weeks. Think about that.

Yeah. Yeah. Come back. I went back to school. Of course, I graduated, but it's like, if I just went to one of them big-ass high schools, bro, they would've just slid that thing under the thing. I'd have hit it with the joint. Great, less strain on us.

I'd have been about the door. You know what I mean? It's like, but he knew me as a person and knew, and that's important. It so matters. The way schools, these classrooms and these sizes and this like non-connection to the kid it's so hard for a kid to care about what you're saying bro when they're when their circumstances are so limited and if you don't understand that you're not gonna be able to reach them yeah it's so that's it's it's a huge because you're saying

crazy shit to them you're saying like you need to really give a fuck about this algebra today and they're like bro I don't have food people don't get that that's real people's circumstances I don't have food

or I don't know where I'm going to sleep or I don't know how I'm going to clean my clothes or I don't have we might be evicted tonight like

what are you saying what are you talking about what are you talking about like I can't even give zero fucks about this

and there's a lot of teachers teaching in communities where that is the case over and over and they're not figuring out a way to teach that kid they're valuable and how their value supersedes their circumstance yes yeah yes it's so it sounds so like kind of basic to say but truly education has to come very high on the priority list and And I think the class sizes should try to be smaller because once these class sizes get too big, once you start getting 25 to 30 kids in a class and you're funneling kids out in 40-minute periods,

boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, these kids just feel passed around in a sea of other people. It's very hard to cultivate individual identity, very hard to feel like people care. And it's also very hard to recognize for a teacher. Because that was like another model of that school. We were in very small classes, and we moved through all the curriculum together. So you're with like a home group of a certain amount of kids, and then you would just move through every part of your day with those kids.

But it's also hard with these large classes for teachers to recognize learning disabilities and learning gaps because they can't pay attention. They're not trusting it over time. In my school, there was no, it was the rule, David's rule that there was no track kids. So there was no separate class. There was no special ed class.

There was no class like that everybody was just in one class now that kid sometimes may be pulled up by a tutor for an hour sure right but that was so essential because so many people are having all these learning disabilities they're scared to speak but it was like in my school it became less of a thing because they weren't being ostracized or isolated and treated like they can't do what we do. Right? And also it's not something you have to then establish in a new group of people every day or every year. And then it forced us to be more respectful of the fact that people learn different.

Yes. And that just because you don't learn like me doesn't mean you're not intelligent. Yes. And it doesn't mean you don't know something. We just learn things differently. And we might also just learn things at a different pace all of that is fine yeah but the school did so many things to like drill that into us you know subconsciously we didn't have grades we had like learning rubrics we didn't get a's or b's or c's you know what i mean you were rated on your own work so you couldn't be like well i i

know i did better on this paper than him so why does he have a higher grade than me? And at first, he used to piss me off. But my teacher would be like, because he did, because it was like exceed expectations. They're like, he did exceed our expectations. But you didn't. You was being lazy. We know what you're capable of. And you didn't go beyond what you're capable of.

So you did not exceed. You met it. You did what we know you're capable of doing. He did something we didn't, I read it. You met it. You did what we know you're capable of doing. He did something we didn't know he could do. It's relative. And it's relative.

And learning is relative. And it's so hard because we're taught to compete. We're taught that it's like some type of race and it's not.

And that whole mindset is how I ended up here. Yeah. Because I never attested to that anymore. It's like, no, you do things on your time.

Everybody's different. Everyone learns different. Experience matters. People's experiences affect how they see and learn things. Yes. A hundred percent. Like all of that is very true.

And so this stuff is way more arbitrary than it is important. And it is way more fluid than it is rigid, you know? Because I never think of you as someone who ever thinks of yourself as like inadequate in any way. I truly have never rigid, you know? Because I never think of you as someone who ever thinks of yourself as, like, inadequate

in any way. I truly have never thought. Like, Sam Jay just, like, just has whatever, like, assuredness that she has. Well, the thing is, I'm assured in the fact that I will have inadequacies. Yes. Yes. There you go. It's like, that's what the fuck it is, bro.

Come on. Can I ask you, when did you get in touch with your sexual identity? When did you come out? I came out, I was 26. Really? Late. Atlanta?

Atlanta. But another example of just not knowing I could be that. Yeah, 100%. Right? Because I was telling my friend, we were both down laughing.

I was like, when I was a kid, this is why representation matters. Yeah. The only thing I saw of lesbians, and I didn't know, there wasn't lesbians around me, right? There wasn't, like, outwardly, I could tell you a lesbian, lesbians around me. Like, which lesbians? Masculine or center lesbians, they weren't around me. So all I knew of lesbians was the shit I saw on TV, which was these, like, white,

lily fair ladies with long armpit hair. Lily fair ladies. That did, like, believe in washing., Lilith Fair ladies with long armpit hair that did believe in washing. And I was like, well, I'm not that. I could easily threw that out. I could easily threw that out. You know, seven, eight. I'm like, well, that's not me. Moving right

along. And also, the mainstream says like, well, we have them represented, so moving on. You know what I mean? At that time, for sure. So I'm like, whatever. That's not me. And it's fucking easy to...

I don't hate men. And I was not attracted to men. So when you're taught that that's what you're supposed to do, and then it's like, okay, this looks good to me. It was like, I'm straight. This makes sense to me. Right. You know what I mean?

And I had a boyfriend at the time when I got around high school age, and we stayed together for like five, six years, which is a big development time. For sure. And I loved him, but also he was there for me when my mom died. He was around. So I also realized the closeness came from other things, right? And of course, I did not like having sex with him, but when we broke up, I was just dating around fucking dudes and it was just like, uh.

Rob Markman This is not it. Tia Hilliard This isn't, I don't know what's going on, but this isn't it. And I'm not finding that connection that you just know when you know it, you know? And then I convinced myself, I'm like, oh, well, maybe I'm just one of those girls who just has to be in love to like dick and like, I've just got too many. It's more emotional for me than, you know, whatever that dumb shit is that gay girls tell themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm doing all that because it's still not like you're gay. That's not even in my head.

Yes. That's not even in my head. After you broke up with the guy? After I broke up with the guy. And this is in your 20s still. And this is in my 20s still. You're not even thinking that you're a lesbian is a possibility. No, no, no.

I'm just like. Not feeling it. I'm not feeling it. And I don't know why. So I'm just like fucking more dudes. I'm like fucking different types of dudes. I'm like, well, maybe it's relationship. Let me build a relationship with the dude.

Then fuck him. Like, you know, just trying to figure it out. And like guys are liking me and wanting to be with me. And I'm like like I could do this but it's like it's not cracking the thing

right then I'm in Atlanta which is a very gay forward and African American gay forward place and

before I even got there I remember being maybe 15 the first time I went and now I realized it was such an important

moment for me I was 15 I went down to Atlanta with my brother and that was the first time I saw a stud what what we as a black culture consider like a stud which is like a a woman that dresses masculine right yes and she had Timbs on jeans a jersey she had a fade and I was like that's dope yeah I remember being 15 and that like resonated with me like for some reason yeah that's dope

ring of keys that's like fucking ring of keys knew it was like knew it was like wrong but like yeah yeah cause that's what I

you know what I mean like but also was like that's fly so you in a way that I would like to be fly right so you saw you saw aspiration in it and also an attraction in it.

Right. Both. Right. Like that's fly, right? Yes. And like, that's how I feel inside. There's only way I can explain it.

Like I always wear my brother's clothes. Yep. I'm always like trying to be fresh. That's what I feel inside. Like even when I would talk to dudes, I would like mack on them and pick them up. Right.

It's just like, that's just what I feel. Like when I'm seeing an image of myself, I'm like a cool nigga in a suit walking down the street. Mac on them and pick them up. It's just like, that's just what I feel. Like, when I'm seeing an image of myself, I'm like a cool nigga in a suit walking down the street.

So when you were in your teens and early 20s though, were you kind of like being femme? Was there some sort of like femme drag that you were doing

there a little bit? Yeah, but it wasn't even like, it was just like being me, which was this real crazy mix of masculinity and femininity.

Right, right, right. You know what i'm saying because now like there's people that knew me back then was like bitch i knew you was gay back then i'm like for real because i didn't yeah i had no idea it's so crazy because for for for i think i don't know about for you but for maybe for a lot of gay men that i know it wasn't this thing of gradually figuring out it was like this visceral thing of like oh i like men i had 11 years old i remember the moment like i saw my friends like bare back and i was like i want to touch him yeah i think that's what it is you know what i'm saying i was seeing titties my whole life women

are always soft you know like femininity is so much more elusive yes than like masculinity sure it's like if you're not sure and it's not that clear to you, you can confuse it with a million things. Like now I look back and I'm like, oh, I had crushes

on all my female friends. Major crushes. But also this period. Major crushes. I just didn't even think you could like a girl like that. You were just like, well, this feeling I'm feeling

is not a feeling and so therefore I'm going to ignore it. This feeling I'm feeling is just how like my mom is with her best friend. And I call my mom. You know what I'm saying? Like,

that's just my super homie. I got love from my super homie. But now I look back, I'm like, I never hung around ugly girls. I never hung with ugly girls. Like all the girls I hung with were hella pretty. This period you're talking about though

in between dating guys and then coming to that realization I feel like that's something that probably feels like it doesn't get talked about enough there is a latent period for a lot of people before they figure it out but not after they've been intimate

with what they what their past selves were well there's just also not a discourse really even yet for lesbians especially like black lesbians you know lesbians of color you know there's not a lot of visibility you know there's I mean I bet like

most white people would be like well Orange is the New Black is the one thing I have seen because it's on Netflix and they can click the button that's what I'm saying so So there wasn't references either. Like I didn't understand what it was for real, but I just knew like the energy that I was seeing wasn't me. And now I'm in Atlanta, I'm messing with dudes. But it's so gay forward and so black

that I'm seeing like studs after studs and they with bad bitches and they're just in the street and like they just shopping and shit. And like, I'm like, okay, like this is like kind of, and it's so weird before it was a sexual thing.

It was such an identity thing for me. Where I was like, when I listen to Jay-Z, I'm Jay-Z. My bitches shit, they're screaming at me. I'm like, what's wrong with you ma?

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I'm now seeing real representations of that in the world. Like, you can live that. And it's like, oh, shit. Now the sexual part has to come. You know what I mean? And it's not like I didn't know that they existed, but seeing it for real.

Because what I understood of it was like, it's so taboo that it's not a life. And when you see it in Atlanta, you're like, no, they're living whole ass lives. yeah what I understood of it was like it's so taboo that it's not a life but then all the and when you see it in Atlanta you're like no they're living whole ass lives but then you see all like the buttressing around the sexual stuff

that you're like oh that has nothing to do with sex but I still want that right and then it was like women are hitting on me and shit and shit with dudes

is like not really clicking and one day I'm talking to my my good friend and I'm telling her about it. And she's like, just go on a date with one. And I was like, can I do that?

And she was like, yeah, fuck it. Right? And so I was in chat rooms and shit. I think how most people start being gay. Aim? Was it aim? It's a message? Nah, it was like there

was like black ones it was one called downlink that was a black lesbian one and then there was like a gal who black lesbian chat room i used to be in all the time and that's when i first started like really flirting with women and like engaging in the idea of being sexual with a woman yes um oh this is taking me back. Right? You weren't. You were a chatroom queen. I was in the chatroom. Yes.

No, 100%. Chatroom queen. Frontrunner. Chatroom queen. And then you were just like talking to people. I was just talking to people. They weren't living

in your city, were they? No. They was like all over the place. Yeah. Some people was in Atlanta, you know? Yeah. And then, like there was this place. Some people was in Atlanta, you know? Yeah. And then,

like there was this girl, she became my girlfriend. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Before y'all? No. Yeah.

Wow. How long, I was gonna ask, how long was that relationship? Like that first one? Yeah. It was like on and on for like four or five years.

Okay. I broke up with that girl, got with y'all, then y'all did some crazy shit. Uh-huh. Right? I stopped fucking with y'all, then y'all did some crazy shit. Right? I stopped fucking with y'all, got back with the girl. Broke up with her again to be with y'all.

Then y'all did some crazy shit. That's a theme. Rule of threes. Then she was just gone. We like fucked a few times after that, but she really wasn't fucking with me after that. Y'all? No, the girl. The girl. The girl. The girl. She just didn't get y' she really wasn't fucking with me after that. Y'all? No, the girl that kept dumping. She just didn't get like y'all's hold over me or none of that.

So she was out and then I dated around, dated some chicks in Boston. You know, but me and y'all was still fucking off and on and all that. Yeah. And then I hit y'all one day like, yo, do you want to be with me or not? Because I can't do this shit anymore. And she was like, I'm still doing my thing. y'all one day like yo do you want to be with me or not because i can't do this shit anymore and she was like i'm still doing my thing so i deleted her from everything blocked her number got married maybe a year later nine months ten months later to someone that you had met in the intervening

did all that super fast because i was in such a like, I was getting to where I wanted to be in comedy and I was fucking just feeling like, all right, how am I going to be? This shit is so lonely, bro. Yeah. Comedy is lonely, bro. It's so lonely. So I was feeling lonely, man. I'm out here just traveling by myself. Don't got no one to call.

Good shit's happening. Don't got no one to share it with. You know, call y'all and she out doing whatever she doing. So she ain't answering because we ain't together. You know what I'm saying? So just feeling like, damn, bro, this sucks. This is not the way I want to do this. It's all so isolating.

Another isolating. So isolating. So it was like, well, this is the girl I want to be with. Let me just put it all on the table. But so much back and forth between us. So much doing stuff and break my heart and then me There's like so much craziness that it was like hey man. What are we doing? Yeah, and if we not doing it then I need to like free myself of

What this I need to let this die and at this point in time you guys were both living in boss No, she was in Atlanta and I was in Boston. Oh But now you both live in New York. Yeah, So it was like, I got to kill this, you know, just to be free. Yeah. So in the, you know,

interim of that, I met my wife and she was, I think, in the same space in a lot of ways. As you? Yeah, just,

you know, we're both around the same age and just like, I don't really want to be out here anymore. It's really this dead feeling of like, I don't even want to be out here anymore. It's really this dead feeling of like, I don't even want to be out here like this no more, bro. So knowing all the risks of getting married quickly, we both were kind of like, we're

feeling it, let's just go with it and see what happens. Get married, bro, and then maybe six months later I get comments to watch. I'm coming to New York and I got married married and I had blocked y'all from everything. So someone told her, like, I see Sam's Married on Instagram or whatever. She called me from a number I didn't know, crying. Like, what did you do? How could you do this? Like, why did you do this?

I thought we were going to be together. And I'm like, what the fuck? I asked you, bro. I put everything like, what do you mean? I can't hold my whole life up for you type shit. Like, I'm for real married. She's like, devastated. Oh my gosh.

Devastated. And that had to devastate you in a way. Right. Absolutely. So then, but she's still blocked from everything. I'm like, I'm married. You know what I mean? I'm really like, full in, I'm married.

So she's still blocked from everything and I'm like, I'm married. You know what I mean? I'm really like full in. I'm married. So she's still blocked from everything and all that. I get comics to watch. She ends up being in New York the same week for New York Fashion Week because she was doing makeup for the Victoria's Secret. Not Fashion Week. She was doing makeup for the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. So she ends up there the same week I'm there. So she hits me and she's like, would it be okay for us to just talk with friends?

You know what I mean? Like, come on. I tell my wife. I'm like, she reached out to me. She's going to be there. Because I didn't want any funny stuff. I'm like, this is how dedicated I am. So I'm like, I don't want no funny stuff.

I don't want you to see that she was there. Think I was on some funny stuff. So yo, I just found out she's going to be where I'm going to be. Like she wants to meet. Da, da, da, da. I was like, I'm fine with it. I'm fine you going at this i trust you to have this conversation bro so we meet at the cellar oh oh my god because i'm true dedication the dedication comes back because i'm working yeah yeah yeah so i'm like maybe at the cellar me at the cellar like up there eating cellar, we were like up there eating.

And she just starts pouring her heart out, bro. Yeah. Crying the whole bit. Wow. And that moment, I'm like. You're married. I'm married, but I'm like, I love this girl, dog. And also, I'm like hating it.

Because I'm like, oh, I'm never going to not love this girl, bro. Like, it doesn't matter what she does. Like, ah! You know what I mean? Fuck! Why can't life be easy? girl, bro. Like, it doesn't matter what she does. Like, ah! You know what I mean? Fuck! Why can't life be easy? Yes, bro! Like, fuck, bro.

Shit. But damn, I love this girl, bro. Because you don't not love also your wife. Right. You know what I mean? It's not that. It's just that it's something else cosmic. Right. It's like, shit, man.

And it's also like, I don't trust this girl, man. She do this shit all the time, bro. She just doing this shit because I'm with somebody and this is like... Did you tell her that? Yeah!'s also like, I don't trust this girl, man. She do this shit all the time, bro. She just doing this shit because I'm with somebody and this is like... Did you tell her that? Yeah.

I'm like, you know, fuck that. You know, fuck that toxic shit. This is all at the cellar? This is all happening at the cellar? Yeah, bro. I love that. I fucking hate you both.

This is just... I'm just... Oh, my God. I just want the set dressing. We have such fun good thing and i have a fun you guys do yeah it's fun it's antagonizing but loving it this way i have to tell a story later but yeah keep going so man i'm feeling all of the feelings yeah but i'm also knowing like you love this fucking girl go back home still not talking to her doing the thing, but it's not the same. And part of that I take because my wife had to must have felt something on my spirit,

dog. Ain't no way she didn't. But part of it was like, she was just crazy and stuff got crazy. You know what I'm saying? So it was like dual forces type shit. So she has one final spaz out that I'm like, I'm good. I'm done. Yeah.

Right? And at this point, y'all and I are like talking periodically. You know what I'm saying? So I call y'all and I'm like, man, I'm done with this. Whatever, whatever. She's like, whatever. I don't care. But you always say whatever.

But like, whatever. You know what I'm saying? And kind of like she's been keeping me at real distance at this point like when I call her she's like what's up married woman

like you know just being that so I finally am like I'm done with this for real yep and

she comes and meets me in Arizona for a gig Arizona yeah okay that that is a traveling moment.

I love, this is like, I'm so invested. Okay, yeah, keep going. Yeah, and then after that, I get back to my crib, and it's like, we're already, we've separated. You know, I'm sleeping on the couch. Yeah. It was already like, we not doing this. You know what I'm saying?

And it blows all the way up. You know what I'm saying? And it blows all the way up. You know what I'm saying? It goes crazy. Like cops called, all this type of crazy, crazy. So the next day, I finally get in touch with y'all. I tell her everything that's happening. So she's like, I'm on my way. So she flies from Atlanta to LA.

I'm in an apartment. All I got is a fucking futon, bro. She took everything. Mike's wife took everything. Wow. So there's a futon and like a Bluetooth radio and y'all just thugging it with me. So while this is going on crazily, I'm going through the SNL shit. Wow.

So that was right after JFL. I swear Oh my god So all this is going on I'm going through the SNL shit So I'm in the audition process now Fuck So I'm like

So was this the showcase stage? Like what was this? This is the showcase stage I had just done like LA showcase Great The day after all the police shit happened Wow Wow

Cause it was like that shit happened on a. Wow. Because it was like, that shit happened on a weekend and that shit was like a Tuesday or Wednesday. I don't remember. But I just did it. Like, I had just started looking regular because my ex-wife hit me. Fuck.

So, y'all's there. I go do this shit. I'm like, I think it went well. But we're also like talking about like, what are we going to do? She's like, am I going to be here? Like, what are we doing? I'm like, I don't even know.

Like, if I'm going to be here, like, you know, I don't want to get furniture. I don't want to redo this place because what if I have to leave? Whatever. So we're kind of like in a limbo of a space. And she also doesn't want to be in that place anyway. She's just like, I don't want to live in this craziness, you know? Right.

This is crazy. But I'm like, if I'm still in L.A., I can't want to live in this craziness, you know? Right. This is crazy. But I'm like, if I'm still in LA, I can't afford to move anywhere. So this is where I'm going to have to be type of thing. So we were also having that. So we were immediately like, we're going to be living together. It was like, we've been doing this shit too long to be doing something. This is the only decision. But when she came there, that had to be like, even if it wasn't vocalized, it was like,

that was a confirmation that that was your girl. Right. So sleeping on futon thugging through i'm going through the court stuff like had to put a restraining order out all this stuff doing the snl shit i'm like man let's not buy anything we don't know yeah i was like i just want to be in a new space a new energy it just start life fresh didn't get the call call. And it's like, can you come to New York in like three days? I'm like, actually, yes, because I have nothing. So I go two weeks before her. She like closed down the lesson fair, shut down apartment, like did all the lease stuff, did all that stuff.

So she was still there for another like two weeks, just on a futon with nothing. Jeez. Comes, we stay in the Sheraton until we find a crib, and then that was it. And then you got the job. And you got the job. When you were showcasing for it, testing for it, did you feel like it was likely?

Because when you talk about representation, there's never been, like, I mean, like, there's not, I know we talked about this with YouTube when you were going through it. It's that thing of when you don't see yourself on the show. Sure. Besides like Denitra Vance, like there's no queer black woman on SNL.

Well, you know what? I was like, I never cared about it before. So I tried to keep that safe. Like I never put it in. It was never in my plan because it didn't seem like something that fit me. So I was never like, oh, this is something i want to do but once it became a opportunity it was kind of like that's how i looked at it like what could this opportunity lead to yeah lead to and like what could it do

you know and you feel like it's picked up indoors and it was and it yeah for sure and i also was just like bored i don't know i go with the energy so much. So I was in LA, bro. I was getting bored with comedy, getting bored with standup. I was writing stuff and I had written this pilot and Hulu was all into it and basically it was giving me a little development to just develop the script. Rob Markman, While I'm in the process of doing this, I'm writing with somebody, but I'm not feeling good about this script, bro. It just doesn't feel like me.

And it feels like I'm letting everybody take too much control. But this is also because I don't really know anything yet, bro. I'm so green. I never wrote a script before in my fucking life. So I'm trusting everybody else, but I'm like, this ain't me. This ain't my, this sound crazy, bro. This feel corny, but I don't know exactly how to like fix it, right? So that's going on.

I'm getting bored with standup. This opportunity comes and it's like, it just seemed like So that's going on. I'm getting bored with standup. This opportunity comes and it's like, it just seemed like it was put there for a reason. It was like, this is not, you could go this other way,

take this show. Yep. Because they're probably going to give it to you just because you black and gay and they don't got that. That's not just why they would give it to you.

Meaning like, you know what I'm saying? Like meaning like, it's such an underrepresented thing that if you do this hacky thing that just is explaining your existence rather than being your existence, they're going to love it because that's the type of shit they love. And that's what it felt like it was doing. Explaining myself is rather than me just being. And I'm like, I just be on stage.

But I don't know how to just be in this form. But this isn't it. I know this isn't it. So then the SNL thing comes in, it just feels like right there at the right time, and it felt like if I walk away, then I'm doing myself a disservice, and I'm going to do the easier thing. Go down this road. Maybe this show works, right?

Stay a popular comic in LA, get in shows whenever I want, or go through this really kind of scary thing that I've never done. I've never written a sketch. Rob Markman Yeah, I was going to ask. I had any experience. Rob Markman I've never written a sketch. So it's like maybe going to this world, I've never been in sketches. So it's like, do I just step with this kind of leap of faith?

And this is where age and wisdom kind of informed that decision. Because I remember when I was in high school, I got an opportunity to go to Oberlin College. And I was for sure going to be able to go. There was a recruiter. And I was like, I don't have good grades. It was like, it doesn't matter. We want you in school. We'll work it out.

You're smart. You tested well. All this stuff. And I didn't go. I didn't go because I was like, it's Ohio. Was there a sphere playing in? Super white. Super white. go i didn't go because i was like it's ohio yeah yeah it's just fear playing super white yeah super white uh they're gonna know stuff i don't know it's just all this stuff you feel like you wouldn't fit in wouldn't fit in bro and that felt like that felt like another echo this would that so

snl felt like an echo of that boom yeah where i was like i can't do that to myself again again right if if god's putting this in front of me again and I do this again, then this is You have not learned. I didn't learn, bro. It's on me. So it's like if you're great at stand-up now, this thing's not going to make you bad at stand-up. If you care about it, you're still

going to care about it. You'll find a way to do it. You'll find a way to make it all work. And if this makes you less, then something's wrong with you because this is all you can do in this situation is win sure yeah oh what was y'all's reaction when you got you got she was happy because she just wanted a new start yeah she was just like we don't have to live in this she's like cool i know where we're gonna live yeah yeah that's cool you got a new job yeah yeah exactly because and hearing you talk about things that like are not in your voice and that you I know where we're going to live. That's cool. You got a new job. Yeah, exactly. And hearing you talk about things that like are not in your voice and that you wouldn't do,

it's, it made me giggle because then I immediately thought of stuff that you have written that I do feel like are your voice. I feel like I don't want to like reveal the premises, but like the things that you've written that like really make me laugh. But Sam, Sam, Sam has written a Jabberwocky sketch and she's writing a sketch

about a gay vampire that really make me laugh and i i pray to god that they see the light of fucking day can i share this story because i was recently they had me do some talk at some like management consultant firm this week it was really it was great it was a really good experience but uh they asked me, how do we talk about inclusion in a more useful way? How do we talk about inclusion in a more inclusive way? It was a really great question.

I understood what she was trying to ask. She was like, how have you felt included at work? I'm sure it's tough or whatever. I was like, yeah, it's tough for everybody. work? Because I'm sure it's tough or whatever. I was like, yeah, it's tough for everybody. It's not just specific to me or any other person. But my first week at SNL writing. Do you remember this?

Do you know what I'm about to tell? Okay. So do you remember Tucker and Keenan wrote this feature for Keenan to play Quincy Jones? Yeah. On Update. And this was right after that Quincy Jones profile came out on Vulture. Me, Tucker Oh that was you too

Yes Okay that was That was you too Great But I But you come up With this story later too But

But the Is this right after Quincy Jones Had done an interview In Vulture About like all He was dragging everyone Salacious stories

About everybody Yes I love that shit This feature That was very rich Very rich And then Keenan And it made it to air right

Keenan as Quincy Jones it didn't it was in dress fuck and it was yeah no but it was so funny it was so funny

so funny but there was one beat where he's like me it was like I forgot who the celebrity is he goes yeah me and Prince

would go to Japan and get our feet bound and go to like a Kabuki show yeah yeah yeah it was like something like that right yeah yeah yeah so it was just him saying like

crazy crazy crazy things like outlandish things and there was just this reference to foot binding and then I literally and then I like

it was at the rewrite table on a Saturday and I was just I was so like meek and it was my first week and I was so nervous and I was like but I feel like I should

say something about this because I go I sort of like don't even raise my hand I just go there's a quiet moment there's a lull at the table this is just how you get like your piece I feel like I should say something about this because I go, I sort of like, don't even raise my hand. I just go, there's a quiet moment. There's a law at the table.

This is just how you get like your, your piece that you like your say. Cause we're pitching on Thursday. We're pitching on. Yeah. We're pitching. And I just go, and this wasn't even a pitch.

I just go in case this matters, foot binding is Chinese, not Japanese. And like the, the reference was that they went to Tokyo. I was like, foot binding is Chinese and not Japanese. I was like, the reference was that they went to Tokyo. I was like, foot binding is Chinese and not Japanese. I was like, but like,

that's just, that's just like information. Yeah. And then you and Tucker and Keenan were all like, thank you so much. Thank you so much. And you took that so, like there was no tension around that.

It was just like so quick and seamless and good. And you guys received it and you were like, okay, great. And then you guys like just cut that beat out. Not the beat, just that joke. And then you came up to me at the after party and you were like,

thank you for doing that. Like it just, it just like, it was just very important that you did that and you were like, keep advocating for like what culture you represent

and like all that stuff. And it meant everything to me that you said that because otherwise I would have like not felt, because so I brought that story up to answer this person's question because I was like,

I, the more you can break down any barrier of like someone not feeling comfortable voicing a concern or someone not feeling empowered to say something like that's all. That's all. I knew like, I knew he was feeling that because who doesn't in that situation at that

place, you know, everyone's tense. Everyone's tense. And it's like, and you, you can't help us. You you're underrepresented.

And when you're going into energy, I don't, and I don't think people understand this unless you've been in the situation right people who are on the outside looking in always like why didn't they speak up then

right right right well Bowen was there and then that Asian thing got through like what the fuck who the boo to do and then it becomes that you did it

it's my fault but also it's like what people don't understand is like when you're put in those positions where you're so underrepresented you do feel a little bit of like, I don't want to be that one. That comes in and like makes everything an issue. And especially in a comedic space.

Yes. Where partially how we are funny is just the freedom to say whatever the fuck we want. Yeah, you don't want to be killing any vibe. And you don't want to be killing any vibes of like you know letting people get their shit off and becoming that energy well yeah it's like it's that thing of like when you put someone in the room everyone on the outside is like well they have that person in the room so it's dealt with but it's like you don't know what it's like to be that one person in the room because you have no one to the left or the right that is saying i'm here also hearing you and can co-sign and that's

why i just wanted to say that like because that was the point it was just like as a person that's been there don't feel weird about saying what you need to say if your thing is being misrepresented but it's also all in the approach where it's just like i like had to think about exactly about what i was saying and the words that were going to come out of my mouth i said and then i was like this is the phrase that i'm going to use and then what i said was if it's important foot binding is this other thing. And then all you guys did was just cut out foot binding. And then the joke still worked. It was still so fucking funny.

I was like, yeah, like Quincy Jones and Prince went to Tokyo and did all this crazy shit. That's funny. It's like, yeah. And it's like, and that's perfect because that, even if it didn't matter to us, you need to feel represented in the room you need to feel like a represented part of the process I was just offering

information that like could or could not be relevant to you guys as the writers of that piece and like you guys it was at your discretion absolutely to to like cut it

or leave it in and that's what was dope you didn't make us think we had to do anything exactly you just like here's a piece of information that could help or not help but now you're informed and what you decide to do

now that you have information yeah it's up to you and it's like you should definitely feel that and you and and that's how when you're in the room things like that don't happen and get on tv where someone could say well what was born because that's the way to speak up and do it and it's like and that should always be encouraged. And I think for that, SNL is a way more encouraging place than it gets credit for. In a way more supportive space

than it gets credit for. In a way more supportive space of different ideas. I say that all the time. And different culture than it gets credit for, for sure. Like we've got like, like six queer writers on that staff.

It's like pretty cool. And like queer writers, like last season, it was like me, you, Gates, James, Jul like pretty cool. And like, like last season, it was like me, you Gates, James, Julio. It was just like,

Oh, whoa. And like, that's like a pretty age diverse, like race diverse, like gender diverse group. I was like, Oh,

that's like, that's like pretty great. I don't know. I do think it's a huge deal and a big, and a big, big step forward for them to put LGBT people or more than one LGBT person on the cast. Yeah,

I will say that. Yes, I think, I think in terms of visibility, we're talking about, we spoke about earlier how, you know, it's,

there are people out there who just look up on the screen and they assume that's that, that people saying it is where it's coming from. These kids that are going to see not only just Kate, but also you on screen now. I mean, I think it's, it has been a long time coming. But my damn hope is that there's space.

And I think it is a myth to say that like, well, there's not room for another cis gay man or another gay woman or trans person. Like there absolutely is. Like we do not cannibalize each other or the other. Yeah. Okay. Let's finally ask Sam the question. Ask the question. Okay, Sam absolutely is. Like, we do not cannibalize each other or the other. Yeah. Okay,

let's finally ask Sam the question. Ask the question. Okay, Sam, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? Like,

the cult, like formative, like piece of pop culture for you. I mean, pop culture, pop culture. Or it doesn't have to be

pop culture. Whatever. It could be something so specific to you, like the neighborhood you grew up in. it could be Boston. It could be like

whatever general broad thing. I'm gonna try to think of two because honestly I have to tell in that story I have to say seeing that lesbian in Atlanta yes yeah yeah yeah

honestly that is a moment that is a moment do you know did you ever see Fun Home on Broadway no it's an Alison Bechdel

there's a song called Ring of Keys where a young lesbian who doesn't know she's a lesbian yet sees someone who comes in and she's got like this ring with keys on it she's a who doesn't know she's a lesbian yet sees someone who comes in and she's got like this ring with keys on it she's a butch lesbian and she's the song is about recognizing

that you know that person but you you don't know how right and how you're attracted to that person you don't know how it's very specific you want to be that person distillation of a recognition of sexual identity in yourself, but in someone else. Very similar to how you described. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. So she was wearing a jersey. Do you remember what the jersey was?

I remember it had to be like a RAM, like a LA Rams or something. Because it was like yellow and blue. Yeah. Or maybe it might have been a yellow and blue FUBU jersey. And it was like some light colored jeans, some crispy ass Timbs. And she had a fade with a part. Fade with a part. I always wanted a part.

I always wanted a part. A line or a part? Like a part. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, that's dope. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And then she stayed with you. Like she like. I never forgot seeing that. You forgot? Never forgot. And then she stayed with you. Like she like. And I forgot seeing it. You forgot? Never forgot. Never forgot seeing that.

No. Because I don't think I, because it's really, I get like jealous, whatever, not the right word, but I get jealous when people like have that moment. Oh, I remember.

I don't think I have one. I just remember I had a friend come over and we were swimming in my pool. We were 11. And then I was going to bed and I was like, I love my friend. I love when he comes over. I love his back. come over and we were swimming in my pool we were 11 and then i was going to bed and i was like i love my friend i love when he comes over i love his back i want to touch his back oh fuck and

then it was kind of this moment of like true light bulb moment of abject terror because it was like very similar to what you were saying and i think you know just i did not know a healthy adjusted adult gay person that wasn't a joke yeah that wasn't like that's not a life no yeah this was 2000 lifestyle like that's just some like one what what whatever it's a yeah it's a punchline. Yeah, and it's like you can't. And that's why it's so important, like, just for us to be doing shit. Yeah. Because I get DM after DM from, like, young black lesbians just like, how did you do it? It's cool to see. Because it's just like there was no identity of a career that wasn't like a construction worker.

Right. You know what i'm saying like and i'm soft i'm not gonna be well it's because truly it's like you don't you don't see you don't see any depiction of anyone leading uh a story or like kind of driving any narrative let alone you getting to feel like you could drive your own narrative because what the fuck would that look like i mean i remember like just the devastation the the primary devastation that i felt when i realized this was well i will not have a family oh yeah it was because i just did not understand how that could ever be a possibility right and it was because you know because it's like it was like presented as like this spinster lifestyle like you couldn't there's no stability or one thing excluded the other yeah yeah and it's like not at all yeah not at all so seeing her for sure and then yeah all

right let me think of like a pop culture moment i think that's like pretty adequate too. What was the music you listened to when you were young? A lot of just hip hop. Yeah. Like 90s hip hop. A lot of like Snoop Dogg. You mentioned Jay-Z before.

Jay-Z huge. Yeah. Huge. Huge. When like between Jay-Z and Kanye got me through. Sure.

What are your thoughts on like Kanye like how he's kind of like progressed like with the situation that it is now? got me through. Sure. What are your thoughts on Kanye, how he's kind of progressed with the situation that it is now? You know what? I'm a big Kanye fan and I think that

he was, a part of me is like he was always going in his direction. If you listen. You think? Sure. You think he was

dropping hints early on. But even from the beginning of Kanye's music, it's always been very Christian influences. I mean, one of his first singles was Jesus Walks. He's always been an avid I'm a Christian. All his rap has some part of that in it.

And the sounds were starting to be that. I always argued that Life of Pablo is a gospel album. I'm like, it's a hood rap, hard rap, but it's a gospel album. That is a praise album, top to bottom. Yeah, because everyone's like, oh, he's doing all this gospel stuff now. No, he's been doing it all since.

It's like, Pablo's got Beautiful Morning. Yeah. It only became overt with Jesus, right? That was the only time when it became actual thinking of himself in that way. But even registration day, it was like, there were notes of that.

Right. So it's like, it's not crazy to me as a true fan. Seems this is right where he wanted to land. Remember when he got punked? And he was like- He tried to run off with his stuff. But you know what set him off?

Because the fucking guy that they planted, who was part of the punked crew, said, the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. And you see the change in Kanye. He fucking flips out. And he takes it and he runs. He's just like, no, don't fucking talk about religion now. It's always been there.

Yeah. It's always been there. Yeah. It doesn't seem like a leap. Right, right. You know, his mental health and all that stuff is another thing, you know, and I can't speak to that. But it seems like even if people don't feel it, it seems like he's more balanced. Yeah.

Just internally? Yeah. Sure. Jay-Z, on the topic of Jay-Z, I feel like I have Mariah Carey to thank for letting Jay-Z, letting little queer boys be the entry point. See, I always knew of Jay-Z as a cultural figure, but then I think, yeah, honestly, when he was on Heartbreaker, I was like, oh, now I like Jay-Z. Me being the little fag that I was,

literally trying to get any Mariah content I could. She was my first concert, too. I saw that Rainbow album. I fuck with Mariah. She got me through that breakup. My first breakup with my boyfriend that I had for a long time. Were you listening to Emancipation?

Emancipation of Mimi. Oh, absolutely. Bitch, bitch. It was everything. She has, my friend Michelle took it from me. I would stay in my room

and listen to it so much. My friend Michelle comes over. Michelle and Slam come over and Michelle's like this is not your life yeah no takes the album they force me out

cause they're like this is fucking crazy and a week later Michelle's like really I took it cause I just wanted it yeah well that album

is hit after hit it's the shit it's Bob has her Bob stay the night stay the night and that was I believe Kanye produced that. Yes.

It was so good. Also, Say Something is something we can't forget. Do it with Snoop. Yep. Shake it off on that album. Shake it off on that album.

Never forget We Belong Together. We Belong Together. We Belong Together is a classic. An all-timer. It's like that, I think is a very good first single for that album. Mancipation to Meet Me

was a great to like, y'all keep coming for me for doing black stuff. Yes. Bitch, get off me album. Yes. It was such a good back, too. Also, Mariah is fucking funny, which is something I like about Mariah, is that she's funny. And I love that she released GTFO, Get the Fuck Out.

That was just a little thing. She's funny. And she has her issues as well but you know what i mean at the heart of it i'm happy that we still have someone that's like trying to get better and trying to be honest finally she's trying to still fucking exist in this damn and she's got a sense of humor trying to erase her oh and honestly right either it's crazy it's like i was talking to someone i was like bro mariah carey made the the first like we haven't had a new christmas song in how long no centuries it's been she is

up there with the come on bro she's up there with the public domain classic yeah she's that's it that will be played forever forever forever like come on dog you can't just do people that's why i don't like that when people just try to like do people dirty just like you off right people of it's like bro like and i guess when you do this as a career you see it more where you're like sure you're gonna go through mad shit yes yeah but you're just gonna forget about the shit that's why celebrities be crazy yes like bro you're just gonna forget about the shit i did especially with women and i think especially especially with a woman like mariah who's a biracial woman yeah who um probably struggled to find i'm sure i mean she's open about struggling to find a place or identity for her her entire life of course and then her musical identity in

the beginning of her career being sort of a celine dion type to then her transitioning to R&B music and being like not super accepted necessarily by the hip hop community. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm like. Miss Fish and Mimi was like, I'm going to do black shit. I'm black. Yes. Because it wasn't super accepted mostly I feel by the white community. Like when she started hanging out with Dame Dash and shit, it was like everyone was looking

like she's stepping down. And it's like, bro. That's bullshit. This is, yeah, part of her. And Dame Dash is not a step down. No. He's a part of the culture at that point. He's a big part of the culture.

And also, you have to never forget that a lot of the reason why the first five or six years of her career were what it was is because she was married to the owner of her record label, y'all. Yeah. And you don't know the darkness that that was. And you know what I will say is that she actually is finishing her book and that book is gonna say a lot of shit wow that book is gonna say a lot i don't know she was writing a book no i'm a lamb yeah you're i'm in the lamely and i will say that that you will truths will be revealed and i also went when she would did for caution she did, I was invited to go to see. I love Caution.

Caution is it. Her latest album. But just real quick, because I was thinking about this, but what's crazy is, on a flip, when Justin Timberlake worked with Timberland,

that wasn't said. Nope. Exactly. And he's not even black at all. Let's not forget. It's like, why when Mariah is messing with Dame and Star is messing with Jay,

it's like, what's happening? Timber is messing with Dame and starting to mess with Jay it's like what's happening to this starlet yeah I know like that's crazy it's because she's a woman and obviously and it's because

she's a biracial woman and it's also so she's gonna get from both sides it's also because she's a woman who owns her sexuality and how dare she

yeah and that's how people feel and the fact that Mariah almost 30 years into this, is still someone that we talk about. And you know what? The reason you can never erase her from the narrative

is because she writes her own shit. And that is why she will constantly reinvent herself and also stay on brand. Absolutely. Mariah is a legend. What was your thing about caution? You went to the caution preview or something? So I went to,

there was a preview for caution where she was kind of sat down and it was all lambs. And I mean, like the whole room was packed. You were so happy that night, I remember. And we were so excited

and I was so, so happy to be there. And Mariah, I sat with Mariah Smith. Oh yes. And we were there and I was like, she came out

and sat down and you could tell it meant so much to her that like people were respecting her and talking about her as a lyricist, her as a composer, as a songwriter. She arranges her own fucking shit. She has composed, arranged all her stuff. People just forget, bro. They just be like, remember when we were at Carrie in the tub on Cribs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. tub on cribs and it's like bro it's because A not only is she this big personality but she also happens to be one of the

best singers of all time and people can't accept that you can be this larger than life personality and one of the best singers of all time and be this good

at writing music and what people can't accept again is like when you're on the outside looking in it's just like people like

watching football from your couch absolutely yes when you're on the outside looking in you say a lot like I was talking to y'all about this I was like what I realize now it's just like people like watching football from your couch absolutely yes when you're on the outside looking at you you say a lot

like I was talking to y'all about this I was like what I realize now and this is just a limited amount of times that I've been on camera you cannot care

about being on camera no there could be an amount there could be so much like on camera-ness yes that you don't give a fuck so people sometimes

be like they wore that on TV and I'm like yeah cause they're always on TV they don't give a fuck man that's the be like, they wore that on TV. And I'm like, yeah, cause they're always on TV. They don't give a fuck, man. That's the thing that warps you.

They did that on TV. Bitch, they always on TV. Yeah. So Mariah Carey did that on Crip. Nigga, she was at home. She's always on TV. She was at home.

It's not for nothing. What are you talking about, bro? Like when you're like, it's important to you. Yeah. Everything is relative, bro bro it's not important to them no god she's got things to juggle about cribs bitch no she can she showed up and had a

good time on cribs and goddamn right she's got a fucking 18 100 foot square closet practice you know like cribs get the fuck out of here, never forget that the whole time she's juggling being the best singer of all time and maintaining that, which 30 years, and it might not be what it was, but it's still something. It's still pretty good. And so that, the fact that she runs her own business as a songwriter, the fact that she has a brand to keep, and not for nothing, but she is managing bipolar disorder. This is, and problems in her life,

and children. Leave Mariah alone. Leave Mariah alone. She's a legend. I mean, this is the thing, and it's like what you're saying, like watching football at home.

Yeah, the fucking plebes, and myself included, we're going to be watching from the cheap seats for people who do like actual crazy fucking shit. And the thing is like, at the end of the day, it's like once you're doing it on any level and you can look in a little bit you're like whoa man like chill these are just like people trying to like live

like it just happens to be you do this thing like i miss the times like i miss like it just being when you didn't know shit yeah and i can't imagine what it was like like being beethoven because like no one knew he just played the shit yeah you come he played the shit you like the shit yeah like it go home yeah discuss the shit but no one was like beethoven sleeps with his brother's brother's friend like no one no one gave a fuck no one gave a fuck beethoven was probably a damn fag at some point at some point it's a realist culture number six beethoven was probably a damn fag it was at some point though i don't know what happened and it's always grossed me out and it's maybe because i i've grown up with like celebrity in my family. Yeah, yeah. But it's always bothered me that the public at some point felt like they had rights to your life.

No. Not your creative. Not right to decide to support you creatively or not. Not a right to buy your music. But rights to your life. Yeah. To your personal life, to your personal decisions. And they get to determine what those should and shouldn't be.

And it's so wild and gross to me. It's like, how do you feel like you're owed that? And it's because they think they're owed your success. They think your success is completely dependent on them. And they don't give any credit to the fact that you had to do a bunch of shit for them to even see you. Oh, my God. So it's like, what kind of nut shit is that when you gotta go out and you gotta apologize for some personal shit you did in your house

to a bunch of people you don't know yes yeah because they're mad and they deserve it because without you there is no them. It's like the first celebrity to cow tail, fuck you. Because you ruined it for everybody. You should have just told them to lick your ass, mind your business, buy this shit or don't. Or don't. You should have told them to lick your ass. That's actually the little culture number 19.

You should have just told them to lick your ass. Buy your shit or don't. And also leave Mariah alone as a real coach. Number 50, leave Mariah alone. Great. You know what I mean? It's just like, what the fuck? Motherfuckers aren't like the people that, like, a motherfucker could poison us with lettuce.

That nigga don't got to come on TV and be like, I'm sorry. No, we're just like, don't eat the lettuce. You eat the lettuce. Don't eat the lettuce. Don't eat the lettuce. you probably shouldn't have a mother a mother could poison us with lettuce and you would never think you get poisoned with lettuce but there you are in the damn we will demand an apology I know for everything demand for britney spears who can barely lift her head up let her be let her be let her be let her paint there's some energy we got to move on i don't

think so we gotta move on this is the one minute segment of lost culture this is where we absolutely go off on something in culture that we're saying you thought so no no this is a thing that we don't like no more and we want to say i actually do have something and this is a little bit off the beaten path but i'm happy that it's finally being addressed great okay i okay i'm so happy i'm so excited for this this is matt rodgers i don't think so many of your time starts now i don't think so honey those urinals at the restrooms in the airport with the little flies on them you've seen in jfk there's the little flies what the fuck is that there aren't all of them I don't think so honey you're making me pee on a bug I don't think so honey that they're

drawn so realistically I almost and I really don't think so honey myself because I almost took a picture of the urinal that had my own piss in it to make sure that people would recognize what I was talking about but if you are using male restrooms in the airport i think at jfk and lax you know what i'm talking about it's these urinals and inside the urinals on the thing that you pee on which is aka the back of the urinal there is a little fly drawn on every single one bone confirm confirm 15 seconds what is that i don't think so honey it has me thinking about like and now i'm aiming for it because it's there i'm a very good aimer when i pee i don't think so honey it has me thinking about like and now i'm aiming for it because it's there i'm a very good aimer when i pee i don't think so honey this like this art artistness on the

urinals and that's one minute i think this what is it i think it's so that you do aim and so that there's not a lot of splatter and backsplash so they're trying to get me to target my piss so that they're trying to train you they're trying to train you so that your piss doesn't go to the side It doesn't fly around Well I'm sorry but first of all I didn't need that I'm a civilized person Stop My pee fly around

If you're pointing your dick like perpendicular to the actual surface Then it's gonna splash back I have never had this problem The custodian's gonna have to clean up a bunch of dried piss off the floor later And the fact that you understand all this means your piss is crazy. It means that you're a crazy peer. I'm uncut and people with foreskin, we can't control our aim as well. Bitch, you better be uncut.

Thank you. I'm cut. That's cut privilege. I had nothing to do with it. That's cut privilege. If I could go back, I would be uncut. Cut privilege. I would reach my baby hand up out of the damn thing and say, stop it now that down stop i said stop i said put those stop i said now i said put that

put that snipper down i said yeah okay i've got something all right bowen yang this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey on this episode of las culturistas and this time starts now i don't think so honey melatonin bitch You don't work. Get a real job. You are not happening for me in the right possible ways. I take one of you. I take one little gummy, knocks me out for four hours. I wake up the next day, groggy as hell.

Can't fall back asleep because my hormones are like, nope, you've had enough. It fucks you up, and it actually does more damage than it does any good. And melatonin, I don't like this whole thing where you're like, oh, it's not dangerous. It's actually, it's naturally produced by your body. No melatonin. If I can get you in gummy form, that means that you've done something bad in the world

and that my body flushes you out and I don't actually need you. We've got to break away from the gummies. This is something about gummy supplements in general. It cannot feel like candy or else kids will eat it and OD on vitamin C and fish oils. So I'm looking out for the children. Melatonin, you're busted. You're done.

Melatonin, if you come for me and my family, I will sue. That's one minute. And I'm happy that you incorporated I will sue. My new catchphrase. I think that you are correct. Melatonin doesn't work. And I believe that every single melatonin is a placebo. That's what I have to say about that.

You never feel great the next day. You never feel well rested. No. That's just me. Fuck melatonin. Fuck melatonin. Thank you, Sam. Sam, do you have a topic that you'd like to go off on?

I don't know if I could go off that long. Yeah, well, you can just chat at your own pace. We're stupid we run out of steam like 30 seconds and then we just say well speak for yourself but I mean yeah sure okay great so this is Sam J's I don't think so honey I have to

you do have to this is Sam J's I don't think so honey her time starts now I don't think so honey to the Popeye's chicken sandwich I'm over this fucking sandwich first of all what's pissing me off is, to the Popeye's chicken sandwich. Yes! I really, I'm over this fucking sandwich. First of all, what's pissing me off is the games that Popeye's playing. It sucks. It's like, you're a fucking chicken business.

You don't got enough sandwiches, bitch? It's just chicken and bread. What is the deal that y'all wanted this thirst over the sandwich? Like, Popeye's is jerking off over the fact that people are, like, stabbing people. Yes! Or, like, rolling people over or, like, being fucking crazy 30 seconds.

over the sandwich. And, like, I don't think so, honey, to the white man that runs Popeyes that just wanted niggas to look crazy over some chicken. I don't appreciate it. Fuck. It is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

And it's, like, also probably not even that fucking good. Like, I had one when it first came out and it was straight. 15 seconds. But not enough to kill anybody over it. Not enough to kill anybody over it. It's video after video of people just acting insane.

So white dude went inside the Popeye's, yelled at everybody, called them a nigger over the sandwich. Then they beat him up outside, took the sandwiches from him. It's like, is this where we are America? And we wonder why this shit is going on. We need let the russians take this bitch we don't know

what we're doing and that's one minute unbelievable so let me tell you the stabbings are happening this is this is news over the papa's chicken sandwich? Yes. This week, someone in line stabbed someone over the sandwich. And then we're like, and we want respect around the world. Yeah, I know. And we're fighting

over our chicken sandwich. Like kids are dying and like people are dying for real reasons and we're like, you know, man, we need a sandwich? Do we genuinely

It's just crazy. generally prefer the chicken from Popeye's over the chicken from KFC? I mean, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Popeye's is the chicken from KFC? I mean, yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Popeye's is good.

I think KFC went way left. What happened to KFC was when they said that they was growing the chickens in a lab and they was making like, and they showed that crazy looking chicken and everyone was like, we good, baby. Oh, we're actually okay. Popeye's like-

They never recovered from that rumor. I know. It was like, probably not even true. You can't have a white man sell you chicken. Popeye's realized that too. Now it's Reba. I hate that lady.

I hate the Popeye's lady. Who's the Popeye's lady? The one she just... Oh, fuck. I do like that. It exhausted you. And I don't hate her as a person. Sure, sure, sure. Lord. Lord. Get her off the camera, fuck. I do like that. It exhausted you. And I don't hate her as a person. Sure, sure, sure.

Lord. Lord. Get her off the camera, please. Popeye's has better mashed potatoes than any other place. Okay, okay. I twist that. Like, she could just still be normal. Like, why can't she?

I don't get why the lady just can't come out and go, Popeye's has great chicken. You know? What did she do? It's just been like, honey, you want chicken? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know do it's just like honey you want yeah yeah yeah you know it's just like like wb frog shit like oh no wb frog holy shit um well this yeah you're totally right it's artificial scarcity it's like when they like purposely make something scarce so that there's more buzz yes but it's like people are dying papa's y'all would be in jordan right

now when we was shooting over sneakers. Fuck. Y'all gotta do better. You're not Jordan. Give the people the sandwiches. Give the people the sandwiches. Move on. Sam has canceled me on the internet

for ordering Chick-fil-A at the writers. Yeah, well, I have to say, I can confirm that there are days when Bowen looks me in my eyes and wants to go out of our way

to go to Chick-fil-A. And I'm saying to him, no. Well, it's a Colorado thing because, I mean, Mormon country. No, don't do that. We can all overcome our past. I still eat Chick-fil-A. I'm not going to act like I don't eat Chick-fil-A. I'm canceling culture on both of you.

You don't eat Chick-fil-A at all? No! They're closed on Sundays. You have to do that, though, because you white. Reparations, my nigga. You need to abstain. But, like, I already got to take so many L's. I'm not giving them Chick- You know how much stuff I got to give up just being black?

I'm not giving them Chick-fil-A. Oh, Bo and Yang is not off the hook for that one. No, he got Asian stuff. No, boo. You alone. You supposed to fight the Chick-fil-A fight, bitch. This is your fight. That is your fight that is your fight honestly I'll take it

I'll take it on as my fight that ain't mine that ain't mine I'm getting my lemonade my fries if Popeyes can't get it together I understand you need to get Chick-fil-A

our only option is Chick-fil-A this has been a fantastic episode I love this episode I loved it so much this is so great Sam thank you for joining us had it all thank you for being here

we close every episode with this song. Heartbreak, you've got the best of me. But I just keep on coming back incessantly. Oh, why did you have to run your game on me? I should have known right from the start. You'd go and break my heart. Give me your love. Give me break my heart give me your love

give me your love give me your love we love you Mariah we stand we won't leave you alone bye forever dog

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Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the

age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're gonna find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sheryl Swoops.

And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tariqa Foster-Brasby

an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm NK, and this is Basket Case. What is wrong with me? A show about the ways that mental illness

is shaped by not just biology, swaps of different meds, but by culture and society. By looking closely at the conditions that cause mental distress, I find out why so many of us are struggling to feel sane, what we can do about it, and why we should care. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.