Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Legebatique" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

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Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding-a-dong. Las Culturistas calling. Let's work it out on the remix let's work it out

on the remix do we have anything to work out on the remix? no but that doesn't change the fact that you're so confusing sometimes I don't know why I've sort of put on even more of a British accent when I sing that's interesting

even though she's not that British in her sing-songiness, like you got to kind of give it that. I feel like, tell me if I'm wrong. Oh, I will. I feel like you were not in your Anglophile bag for a little bit. And then now you're really back in it now i feel like matt is really going british you know i literally bailed on a trip i was gonna go by myself it was very well there won't they will matt go to glasto and then i could not figure it out because like you cannot

get tickets if you don't have them and it's not like coachella where you can take someone's ticket they're like running security i want your passport at the gate. Like it's a whole fucking thing. But I really could have pushed myself even further in that direction by going to Glastonbury and then London Pride by myself. But I just, I couldn't pull the trigger. I'm not somewhere that like, I'm not someone rather that likes to go places alone. Yeah. And that's okay.

It's not confusing at all. It's not confusing at all. That's not confusing at all. Wow, we did just work it out on the remix. Yeah, well, we didn't work anything out, but we worked out my stuff. We worked it out with the UK on the remix. The remix being the podcast, Lost Culture Eastest. Everyone, please forgive me. I am, first of all, I'm up early.

And I am- 8.30 a.m. So you can judge at home whether or not that's early for you, but that's when it's deemed early. That's early for me, especially considering, whatever. We wrapped late at night, last night. Yeah, that happens. But I've been fasting for blood work.

And I guess that includes no caffeine. And that's really hard. That is tough. You always forget that that also includes caffeine. But can I just use this opportunity to announce something that I think we should all consider as a community? And I think Matt and I talked about this the other day

on our other podcast, Two Guys, Five Rings. Check it out now. Out now, wherever you find your podcasts. I want us to adopt this, okay? Okay. Does this ever happen to you? You want to say- Love this intro, by the way, because everyone's involved.

Does this ever happen to you? Like, here we are, we all know our next thing is to try to answer this question for ourselves. Go on. This might be a long sort of post-amble, okay? But this is, you want to say the words, you want to say the letters. See, I'm already fumbling. You want to say the letters LGBTQ plus or LGBTQIA or even just plain old LGBTQ. Well, you stumble, you get nervous, you have to push your tongue forward and then up. And then it just, on a lingual level, it is bad. And you have also

been on the other side of this where you see like a well-meaning aunt or uncle or parent try to get through all of those letters, those clumsy, unwieldy letters. Yes. And then you got to say, oh, it's okay. You can just say queer or you can just say gay, whatever, however you assuage that person, it's bad. Here's what I'm pitching. And I know where this is headed and you're going to love it, everyone. You're going to love this.

Instead of LGBTQ, we all say, Légibatique. Légibatique. Légibatique. Légibatique. And that's spelled L-E-G-E-B-A-T-I-Q-U-E. And I am literally on board with you 98% of the way until you spell it. And then I think that spelling is...

Okay. The more I've thought about it, because... Okay, so this came up on Two Guys, Five Rings. And by came up on Two Guys, Five Rings, I mean that in two months, you'll hear an episode where we discuss this on that podcast. Because we've backlogged the hell out of that podcast. There's a little peek behind the curtain.

And Bowen has stumbled on this unbelievably great idea, which is to eliminate all that bullshit you talked about and just be lgbtq because even the people who really know what they're doing and really know the letters watching lgbtqiaa plus community it's just like it's it's getting to the point where it's just like you guys we have to be a bigger umbrella lgbtq that's everyone and by bullshit by all the bullshit we mean like just the sort of anxiety around watching other people or being the person who has to just make sure all the letters are included. And that is very important. Yes. I think we are putting forward Le Jebutique as a by default inclusive term. It is a new word as we are sort of debuting in this way. And we are able to define that word as being something that is in perpetuity inclusive. And what better time than now when all eyes are on

Paris to create this French word, Le Jeu Batik. I just think it is perfect. It's just easier on the tongue. Literally, it's like, it just kind of, it really does flow off and you kind of want to keep saying it. Le Jebutique. Well, when you say LGBTQ plus and you add more to that, you have to stop after every letter

to really get it across. LGBTQ plus, like, it's like you have to open and close your mouth so many times, as it were. Whereas Le Jebut batik it flows it has presence it also elevates us as a community you know what i mean because we're not beholden to lgbtq no you know what we're actually not trying to be we're not trying to spell it out we are we are that's what i like most about it leisure batik we are there's a batik and i'm really well i'm really interested in not feeling

like you have a sniper dot on your head every time you see someone try to make everyone feel included in lgbtq plus i'm like you know what it's a given everyone feel included in LGBTQ plus. I'm like, you know what? It's a given. Everyone is included. It's a given. Le Jebutique. We are transcending. Okay.

So that's Le Jebutique. I think this is a very interesting time. We're in cancer season and that is the missing water sign between us. Yeah. And I think we are really experiencing a water sign season right now in many ways.

Well, here's my water sign season. I've decided to deal with summer by being in what I would call, what would you call this? An STX fleece with sort of, when you touch the shoulder, it makes this noise. What would you call that?

Uh-huh. What is that? I can't quite hear. It's not really registering call that um what is that here it's not really registering on the mic but i imagine it's like scratchy it's like it's like windbreaker but only on the shoulder anyway i'm in a full-blown like polo in the air conditioning and really trying to make outside as small of an issue yes as it possibly can be because it is so fucking hot. Not to say I'm not going out there and enjoying myself. I'm very happy with the goldening of my skin.

I can say I'm participating in summer, but certainly inside calls. You're not wearing this at the... I will describe it as, and I mean this only as a compliment, you are giving gay jabberwocky. Okay, I'll take it. Gay Jabberwocky, for sure. That makes me feel really sexy, actually, to know that I'm giving gay Jabberwocky.

Yes. I don't know why I think of them as people who fuck, but certainly they are. Remember when Taylor Swift danced with the Jabberwockies when she sang 22 live I think it was at the AMAs it was the Billboard Music Awards and she sang 22 with the Jabberwockies

she would never do that now I miss the old Taylor just kidding no I think she would do that now I think she's still got tricks up her sleeve should we reveal? July 4th we're're going to be in Amsterdam. We're seeing Taylor Swift, Aris Tor. This will be- I think somehow this is public knowledge. Sometimes people know stuff about us and I go, who told you? Well, that's because we have big fucking mouths. And I would 100% bet that it's just because we've said it before and forgot we said it and forgot that does happen

i mean matt whitaker just texted me and goes oh my god love the two guys five rings podcast this is instant canon your guys's shannon miller bit is making me crack up and i said two things one what is the bit and two who is shannon miller i completely forgot. Oh, I remember Shannon Miller. It's Simone Biles is set to break her record for number of medals, I think. Oh, great, great, great. Well then yes, down with Shannon Miller and up with Simone Biles. For those of you who don't know,

it is not a bit. We are hosting a two guys, five rings, Olympics themed, real NBC Peacock, iHeartMedia podcast. They came to us to do it. And if you thought you were going to hear anything about the Olympics or sports on this podcast during this Olympic season, no.

You have to go to the Two Guys, Five Rings podcast, which, spoiler alert, is really just 30 extra minutes of Lost Coach under the lens of Olympics, kind of. But we get a soundboard. We get like fun little transitions with scoring. And they've done a fabulous job of- Kind of making it seem a little different. I really like, I was like, this is a chic little podcast.

Look at what we're a part of. I was like with that little musical transitions and shit. Couldn't BS on here. No, I always did want a soundboard though. I always wanted a soundboard because it just takes me back to FM culture. Like I've talked about it before, but the best use of a soundboard I've ever heard was when I was a little, little, little kid. I was on vacation with my family. And I remember me and my grandmother and my mom and my dad watched the season finale of

Joe millionaire. And at the end of Joe millionaire Joe Millionaire, it was that terrible male Fox voiceover who actually was an icon. But the last like four commercial breaks ended with him being like, it's not over yet. And someone on the radio the next day just like was talking about it and just kept playing the, it's not over yet. And it made me laugh so much. You know who's so good with soundboards? Danny Pellegrino. He's so good. Danny Pellegrino is really good. It is a tool that really can elevate the podcasting medium and radio medium. Well, it gives it an identity because I don't know, like FM radio is so, you know it when you hear it. It's one of those things. Podcasts haven't really been able to reproduce that magic, I don't

think. If anyone is going to be up for the challenge, I think it would be us. I'm thinking, did you ever listen to Danny Bonaduce? And I forget what his co-host's name was in the mornings. It was on Kiss FM. This was like peak middle school.

Danny Bonaduce, like Danny from... Is he from... From Partridge family. He like hosted a radio show with this woman who had the most, the raspiest, coolest voice. That's all I remember. I think it was Danny and Kelly. Danny and Kelly or something. Those sound like great, great radio host names. Danny and Kelly.

Live in the morning with Danny and Kelly. Oh my God. I mean, you couldn't pay me to get up and see clearly I'm operating at zero right now, this early in the morning, but there's just something about rolling up to work, clocking in at 4 30 AM or whatever, and then doing the radio show gig and then leaving and then having a fabulous day at home. Yeah. But the thing is like those radio DJs are not fasting in the morning. Like you are, I've seen you get up early and I don't like you talking

about yourself like this. So you are more than capable of getting up early and getting after it. I guess what I'm saying is cut yourself some slack. Those people are caffeinated to hell and unburdened by the expectation of a blood test. So they're able to really pile on the energy in the morning and then, Bowen, the thing about them is that's their job. So a radio DJ, like someone who's active in the morning,

can just fuck off the rest of the day. Unless they're Ryan Seacrest. Unless they're Ryan Seacrest and they have an empire. Busiest man in Hollywood. Ryan, we'd love to talk to you. Come on, let's coach. Would we? No.

I don't know that Ryan Seacrest is able to be candid. Yeah. I feel like if you ever dated Terry Hatcher, you have darkness and an enclosure of the soul and you will never be an authentic person that is a real drag on Terry it's not a drag on Terry it's a drag on people who date Terry

I'm gonna say I feel like Terry was the big perpetrator on the set of Housewives I feel like Terry was the one wow you really believe the hype you know these gays here's what they'll do. And this is just me talking to y'all, the listener. These are what these gays will do.

These gays will lift you up and tear you down. These gays love it when you play Susan Meyer. They love when you fall in the bush naked. They love it. They root for you. When you win the Golden Globe, you give your little, I used to be a has-been speech. They cheer.

Then, you know, you're around for a few years. Start dating hot guys. Fancy see chris stuff like that they want to tear you down they want to see you fall and they won't stop and gays run the media okay and when the gays get to their shenanigans on the media and Terry, you pissed them off because you dated the hottest guy. They all want Ryan S. You're going down. Up with the rest of the cast down with Terry.

And it's sad to see, sad to see it bleed all the way into this podcast, which I thought was a pro Terry Hatcher space. That's why I joined eight years ago. Joined? That's why I joined this podcast. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is.

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I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

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I want us to we're here to announce a third podcast holy shit which is going to be an investigative journalism kind of not quite true crime but adjacent like we need to find out

who was at fault I want to start no joke I want to start a podcast called Gay Mysteries not quite true crime, but adjacent. Like we need to find out who was at fault. I want, I want to start no joke. I want to start a podcast called gay mysteries or something where we find out who was at fault, who was the person behind the zombie mask on Wendy Williams for the Halloween episode that made her say, what was that?

What other gay mysteries? Maybe it's called, what was that? Maybe it's called what, what was that with Matt and Bowen? Where we's called what was that maybe it's called what what was that with matt and bowen where we go what was that about any you're so about any little fucking thing that traps our ass like yeah i'll tell you an episode that i want to do what was that is the episode about whenever levine won best new artist at the vmas in the year of our lord 2002 and kelly clarkson gave her the award and avril snubbed her, and it was really bad.

What was that? That's the kind of thing I need to dive into. Is your only regret of the Kelly Clarkson episode, where we had her on our show, not asking her about that moment? You know what? It was such a positive time with Kellylly there were so many things i could have asked her like i could have asked her about like dr luke which by the way we could talk about that so let's talk about dr luke of it all was something years ago when kesha had her lawsuit

against dr luke a lot of pop girlies like testified against him as character witnesses like i guess for kesha just being like what's the deal with this guy what is he like like the allegation of sexual assault was kesha's and hers alone but like we want to know from other people that have worked with him like what's the deal and she flat out was like he is not a good guy nothing ever happened to me like that but i literally she said in another interview she told her record label she'll work with anyone but dr luke and they made her work with him on all i ever wanted and they did my life would suck without you together and she claims she actually

wrote enough of that song to get songwriting credit she like worked on it enough where she could have been as the artist like put my name on this yeah but she says i didn't want my name anywhere near his and so i said forget it i'll just not take the credit and that song was the number one hit so she missed out on dollars because of that because she was just not down to be. That's standing on principle. Absolutely. But, you know, one Katy Perry has just announced her new music and I root for Katy, but she makes it hard sometimes

because she doesn't have to work with Dr. Luke. She's someone that is famously a singer songwriter who can create her own stuff and can work with any producer in the business because yeah, I mean mean she might not be the most relevant pop star of our time but she gets streams on streams on streams on streams and for her to put dr luke on this record again has my side eye personally because she's not one of the new young poc or queer women who are trying to make it in the business who he then goes to and says, I'll help you. And they're like, of course, I'm going to take this opportunity. It's not the same thing. This is Katy Perry who's established and can work with anyone. And yet she still

makes this choice. So it's actually totally different. I don't know what to make of these rumors about this being guerrilla marketing, her releasing a purposely bad snippet of her single that is not even the snippet from the song it's supposed to. Like, enough. Enough of that. I thought that was funny, I guess. I mean, but now I'm already I'm already like this is what Katie tends to like get me to do is I just can you describe what's what's going on to the listeners it's a slight eye roll and it's like I'm already a little bit exhausted let's just kind of get to the music because ultimately the music is probably gonna be pretty good if she snaps in and really is

as galvanized as she seemed when she was like quitting American Idol and stuff. But the thing is like, I don't know. It's like when you're Katy Perry and you're bringing Dr. Luke into it, it is a completely different thing. And you see Kesha just tweeted, LOL.

Well, I thank God for that because I think that really did. It was able to to be a funnel for all of our thoughts around, like, wait, Dr. Lou... I think the credits... Well, here's what happened. I think the order of events was Kesha replied

LOL, and then the songwriting credits came out. And I don't know if one was spurred... I think the songwriting credits were spurred by the Kesha comment, which is interesting. Like, why make it so damning after suspicions already been raised? I think people didn't know that Dr. Luke had worked on the record publicly. I think Kesha might have known.

But I don't think people were like, oh, what is this about? I think Kesha commenting that made people go, wait a minute, is this a Dr. Luke thing? And then sure enough, days later, they released the credits. I am grateful that she did that. Well, just in terms of how the both of the snippets of the song sounded, like there was one that was like actually horrible. And I thought that it was so horrible that it actually was funny. I was like, oh, this is so clearly not it. And she's doing this weird TikTok where she's singing it. And she's doing this weird TikTok where she's singing it. And there's times when Katy Perry jumps out and I'm like, oh yes, like you

get it. You're like, you know, this self-aware, like almost like comedy forward, whatever that means for a pop star. Like, it's like, you're like this like fun, like self-aware, like a bimbo of pop. And what I like that Sabrinarina carpenter is kind of filling those shoes because their lyrics are really clever and like cheeky and fun and they fill their aesthetic with it they both kind of i mean like the espresso video kind of like is california girls without all the candy and stuff like it's more just like straightforward and that flunicello but you see where there's a blueprint for sure what sabrina carpenter is doing in recent pop but it's like it's not like the second clip of what we assume is the real woman's world

is that much better where we're like oh my god gag she really released that horrible first song and now this one is such a moment it's like yeah, it's a better song, but... The gulf, the canyon of quality is not that big. Yeah. I am really digging the way Sabrina is going about the, shall we say,

Yoo-hoo. I think she's very like, Yoo-hoo, coded, you know? I mean, just like, I knew she was my girl. I knew she was sort of my little sister in the espresso video when she's getting arrested. And she's sort of like, her head is like flailing around and she's like,

Ooh, I was just like, yeah, no, I'll I'm into her. I really like her. She's actually forever for me, et cetera.

And now she, I mean, she's very much here to stay. Number one hit. Please, please, please, please, please, please is fucking great. Well, I mean, she's very much here to stay. Number one hit, Please, Please, Please. Please, Please, Please is fucking great. Well, I love, love that she kind of got a little petty with it when she hit number one on the Billboard Hot 100. Oh, and she posted that gay being like, no one's ever flopped.

Do it. Some gay was like, no one's ever flopped this hard on a second single omfg or whatever the fuck and like literally on her official instagram it's just her number one on the chart and a piece of the article and then that gay guy's tweet and it's like yeah i and i get it it's like sometimes i can see being a person who receives tweets like that and receives commentary like that and it's like okay well just so, okay, well, just so you know, if you engage in a conversation, someone might respond

and that is a conversation you engaged in. But that's kind of the best way to go about it. It's the birdwatching equivalent of responding to a fucking reply guy or a reply gay. It's like- Talk to us about how it's like birdwatching. It's that you are kind of from afar acknowledging its existence without actually engaging in it

until let's say you hit number one on billboard and then you can post a picture of the bird, I guess. I'm losing the thread. But I just find it refreshing. But speaking of tweets, was it someone in our group chat who like unearthed these old Katy Perry tweets where she just fucking bullied Sky Ferreira? And that is unforgivable to me. I will do this on your behalf because you have worked with Katy in the past.

She's given you job opportunities and you- Oh, first of all, she did not give me a job opportunity she was kind about an opportunity i got in her video which by the way if you haven't seen the not the end of the real music video i'm basically one of the leads of it you are the lead i think you are the star of it she wasn't on set zoe de chanel was on set love her love zoe love Zoe. Can I say you weren't there because you had to work, but I went to go see Katy in Vegas for my birthday. I love Katy Perry. I'm a fucking 34-year-old

gay man. California Girls and Teenage Dream hit when we were, what, 22? Come on. We love Katy Perry. 20. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to be on here fucking like, oh, it sucks that she worked with Dr. Luke when she doesn't have to at all. She just doesn't have to at all. like oh it sucks that she worked with Dr. Luke when she doesn't have to at all she just doesn't have to at all

I think it sucks that she wrote it for Rick Caruso I think some of the shit that she does sucks and that doesn't mean I don't think she's a great fucking pop star but if you what are we supposed to do not talk about the fact that she's working with Dr. Luke don't do it

then I think Katie is like not in that window of unproblematic fave person. She's got all of Brazil, so she's fine. You know what I mean? They want her to come to Brazil so bad and they don't care about Rick Caruso in Brazil, you know? Right. She did invent come to Brazil.

That's amazing. She didn't invent it, but she helped originate it. I'm ready to give her all the credit that she deserves 100%. Including the credit for including Dr. Luke in the credit. Yeah. No, nothing's a mistake. It's just like, okay, so great. Can you imagine in the year of our Lord 2024, being her and being like, guess what? You guys are going to gag. Guess who I'm working with? Dr. Luke, here's a big announcement.

Here's an official announcement about it. It's like, huh? Like, how is that supposed to make people feel exactly? Like excited? What, excited for the bops? You're Katy Perry. You can do them without him, you know? And then I guess that's another thing to compare it to like this generation of pop girly and this moment

where everyone's like supporting each other and like being there for each other and like all those collabs that came out the other day. And now you in the same moment are out here with a track list that includes dr luke who you know allegedly raped one of your peers on a track called woman's world on a track called woman's world and also like notwithstanding even the sexual assault but someone that many of your other peers are on the record as being like this guy's not a good guy lady g Gaga and Kelly Clarkson and Kesha included. Like I said, this is not Kim Petras working with Dr. Luke. This is not Doja Cat working with Dr. Luke,

who were young artists who maybe didn't have producers throwing themselves at them. You know what I mean? These are young queer POC people who do not have the same opportunities as someone like these other older established white girls have so i i never really liked when people were like oh fuck them for working with dr luke it's like they're they're taking an opportunity maybe it's the only one that they had i'm not saying that i think it's a great idea for people to work with him because of who he is i'm just saying there is a big difference between Katy Perry at her big age coming out here with Dr. Luke on the track. Oh, I'm at a big age, too.

We're all at a big age. We're at a big age. We're all old enough to know better about this. And I fucking love Katy Perry. I just want I want better choices. I was just going to say, I brought up the Sky Ferrer thing because I am convinced that she, more than some pop girlies we know, and we might ascribe this quality to,

is like, has had a history of bullying. Sky has? Not Sky, Katie. Oh, no, I thought you meant Sky had a history of being bullied. I was like, well, we have to help her. We have to get guidance counselors in here. We need mediators. Why is everyone picking on Skye? But you mean Katie bullying

other people? Yeah, sure. Katie, we know stories of Katie at Club 33. Okay, the alleged beginning of the beef with her and Taylor was that they both were at Club 33, which is the secret Disney restaurant. And Katie, I guess, which is the secret, the secret Disney restaurant.

And Katie, I guess to break the ice because of like, there was like some John Mayer bullshit. Katie sent over a glass of milk and Taylor like didn't like that or didn't get it. And so that was the start of the feud. It wasn't actually the backup dancers. This is one of my favorite conspiracy theories. It's a great conspiracy theory.

It's, it's funny, but it's also like, well, if that had, if I were Taylorlor i'd be like yeah fuck that girl it's the kind okay so again we don't know that this happened let's just pretend that it happened let's pretend it did let's say it's someone that is a peer of yours you've been

friendly with but now there's this weird thing because they're dating your ex and you're already in a combative situation because of what the industry does to women in that field. Someone says, you know what, as a bit, I'm going to do this thing. And they send over a glass of milk, which is, I don't know how to describe it. Anything other than very sixth grade humor. It's so sixth grade. So you get the milk and it's like whether you get it or not, you have to be ready to have the joke happen to you. And she obviously just wasn't.

Who's ready for that joke though? Like you have to have such low self-esteem to be like, oh my God, you got me girl. Or like, that was so funny that you sent over milk. Why is it funny? You know what I mean? Right. It's nasty. Have you ever done that? No, I would never fucking do that. Wait, what do you mean? I just mean, have you ever done the bit of, or the thing of like, Hey, to the waiter, like, can you send this person over a drink as a bit? I've done it as a bit. I've done it as a bit.

Cause I thought it was funny when I was, again, when I was in middle school, I was at an Applebee's and I was with a bunch of my friends. And one of my teachers was across the, like across the restaurant. And I said, oh my God, I have the funniest bit. So I said to my waitress, I was like, go bring a cherry Coke over to him and say, it's from the gentleman. It's from the gentleman over there across the, across the way. And I'll be there waiting.

And when they brought over the cherry Coke, the waitress dropped it and it went everywhere. Queen. Queen. And I think she had been midway. I think maybe she was excited about doing the bit. And so she was been midway I think maybe she was excited about doing the bit and so she was like midway through I could see her mouth being like this is from the gentleman and then like my poor teacher

had like his slacks covered in cherry coke which is you know gotta be a little bit more involved than a regular coke to get out because you got that sweet sweet grenadine in there. Oh, the grenadine be sticky. But there's nothing more I want than for this to have been a real story. And the Club 33 waiter brought the milk over.

This is from the grill. And then dropped the milk all over Taylor Allison Swift at Disneyland where you don't want to be covered in milk at all. Oh, no. That's a fate worse than death. over Taylor Swift at Disneyland where you don't want to be covered in milk at all. Oh no, that's a fate worse than death. I just, that makes my fucking skin crawl. I'm sorry.

There's something about that. First of all, just period. I don't know how you would answer this. Would you send by anyone a drink now at a restaurant? Like, let's say like you saw someone who was hot, like I'm going to buy that person a drink.

I have no idea how to engage in those situations anymore. I have, I don't know. I don't know how to be on, how to be on the receiving end of that. Not that it happens all the time, but I'm just like, well, how do I, I don't know. Dating is way weirder now than it used to be for a litany of reasons, but I would rather just someone,

I would rather just be pursued than like be out, like trying to like be cute about it. You know what I mean? I think that like ultimately at me as a person, as a romantic partner, I think I respond better to initially someone else expressing interest anyway, but also like, I don't want to be weird. And then like someone, someone gets a drink from me and they're like, that's from that guy over there. And they like, in some way, maybe know who I am. And they're like, Oh, Matt Rogers sent me a drink at a bar gross. Oh, we're never doing that. Yeah. I mean, it would never happen, but like, I don't know. I'm just trying to negotiate, like being out there interacting with eligible gay men. If you're out

there, if you're out there if you're out there and i just like i thought about sending a drink and i'm like that can't be the move no like if i tap a guy on grinder i feel immediate shame even today is that the equivalent i'm like oh why why did i do that i mean i will say tapping on grinder you know people really don't like it you ever see the the profiles on grinder that are like no taps, absolutely no taps. I'm like, what the fuck is the big idea? Like, what is the big fucking deal? Like, is Grindr just the kind of place where people go to say things like that or do they actually care?

Or are you just trying to project a thing of like, I have an air of exclusivity around me. Like, I don't do taps. I don't do this is it because you can't be like even more restrictive than that and what your quote-unquote preferences are so you do this weird flex on taps i just don't get it so you got tapped someone thought you were hot whatever you were status-minded in a way that is like pathological at that point i just would love to interview someone for two minutes on this podcast. And we can do the voice,

the voice thing. So no one knows who you are about what it is you have against taps. Is it just that you think it's flaky and you'd rather be messaged directly? Like, what is it for the Katie's out there? Do you want to explain taps? Oh yeah. It's a,

it's a way to get someone's attention on Grindr basically. It's a way to like acknowledge. Without saying anything. Without saying anything. It's like a soft flirt. Which kind of a great UI thing, right? It's like a great like next evolution of like, it's like a Facebook poke. Yes. Ahead of content Hans is saying. Yes. It is exactly like a Facebook poke. Exactly. Anyway, that's that. I think us interviewing this person is going to fall into a, what was that episode? Oh, that's really good. The thing is like, I don't understand how we could do another podcast, but that would be it. We also, what was that can just be a new segment on this podcast. Cause you know how good we are about keeping up with all the new segments

that is it over? It's not. Well, let's see. Um, producer Beckett made us a doc. Should we look at 1979? I don't.

And can I tell you something? This is, this is how I know it might be over. I don't want to do that. Okay. Then it's over sister. I am in lockstep with you. Whatever you...

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new for the podcast but if we're really going to work it out on the remix i think we started doing that because of this idea that we like didn't want to pick on like new culture that much because we are like in like the training wheels phase of a new era of the podcast. But like, I don't fucking care that much. I just fucking talked mad shit about Katy Perry for 15 minutes. Deserved though. You know what I'm saying? It's like, we're not even talking shit. We're saying she's a great fucking pop star. She's formative. We expect more from her than a continuation of working with Dr. Luke because she's literally talented enough to not. That's not really talking shit. And she announced that she was voting the way she was voting in LA. So it's like, okay, well, if you're going to do that, then understand that you're,

it's a hot button issue. Oh my God. I forgot about her vote. Oh my God. But they don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil. It's actually a rule of culture. Number 19. They don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil. It's actually a rule of culture number 19. They don't know who Rick Caruso is in Brazil. And until Rick Caruso gets the come to Brazil plea. No one's checking for him in LA. So that would be great actually. Yeah. But Katie, I feel like it's Katie and everyone else on the coin. The industry loves to spend to quote Ella Lord the legend the voice can I say she ate that what is six plus two because she ate because she

crushed it and I was so emotional oh throughout and then with every line and then it went because I ride for you, Charlie, if you wanted to know, now, you know, I was just like, and also the way that she wrote it, the way she brought back the, they say they have, we have this same hair. I was just like, everything about this is a great moment in pop. And I think if there's any justice, it should be nominated for pop duo group vocals at the Grammys. It is a moment and they deserve it. What I find remarkable about the Lord verse is that it is not like retaliatory. Like I think Charlie would have been down for like,

yeah, Lord, do the verse and like come for me. Like, cause like, I feel like if you go back and read Charlie's verse, it is like a little bit like accusatory of like, you. Yeah, what's the problem what's the problem you've like bailed on me i can't tell if you're being genuine like you girl so confusing sometimes it makes me insecure the way that you treat me because low-key like lord

is a much much much more commercially successful artist she had been lauded in a way that charlie had it and then everyone said to her like you, you know, you guys are a natural pair. Like it's a level up, like the two of you together. But low key on the other side of it, Charlie is the coolest bitch in the game. And she's the one who truly moves things forward. And probably everyone's low key in some way,

chasing what she does. Of course. So there's insecurity in the dynamic. And then literally it just comes down to when we are together, it's weird. So what the fuck? And then for the Lord to respond with just vulnerability. Just vulnerability. I love it.

It wasn't like, well, here's what you've done. It's like, oh no, I was so insecure myself. I canceled last Monday because I didn't feel worthy of your company. I hated my body, like all of these things. I love it's just self-defense until you're building a weapon. Mm-hmm. Oh, that is, wow. There was a line about like, I was at war with my body. Like, your life seemed awesome. I didn't want to be in your pictures. Like, I think that's pretty relatable to everyone. Like, you know, when someone you don't really necessarily feel super comfortable with because you think they're super hot or really

admire them, their talent, or you think they're really smart or you feel small in some way around them, their intentions can be 100. Yes. But you don't feel good enough to show up in that as yourself, compete with whatever it is because of everything going on internally. I have certainly canceled on people who I just didn't really know either what the intention was or why I would benefit, why they benefit from having me around, et cetera.

But like, I've supposed to hang out with guys sometimes and just like completely took myself out of it because I didn't feel good enough. Yeah. I, I feel like, um, Benny drama is my Lord.

No, I'm just kidding. I was like, I was like, who's the gay equivalent of Charlie? My jaw just dropped. I was like, who's the gay equivalent of Charlie? My jaw just dropped. I was like... No.

Can you imagine picking the sweetest person on actual planet Earth? No, I was going to say, I was thinking like, who's the gay male equivalent to Charlie XCX? And I think it's Benny Drama. But I'm like... Oh, I love that for him. But meanwhile, Benny Drama is the coolest, the funniest, the sweetest. We love Benny. No, but that's why he's a good example.

Because you could throw it out there and he'd be like, Bowen, what the fuck? And it would be a fun thing. Because one of the scariest things in the world is doing that with someone that you actually have those feelings about. Oh my God. Which is why I respect Charlie and Lorde so much is because they fully just aired this out. And like, in so many words maximize their joint slay because that would be really scary i can speak for myself i'm sure you feel this is a way to do that with our own peers in our own industry yeah the idea of like a girly beef is hopefully like this is a huge moment

in the perennial concept of like a beef between pop girls like this is the way to do it like God bless Taylor Swift for getting Katy Perry out in a hamburger costume which I think

is its own sort of like retaliation. Hey, thank you so much for coming. Here's your costume. You have to wear this. You have to wear this for the way you've treated me. But this is like, this is a huge watershed moment.

Don't worry. I'll look stupid too. She comes out in a super skinny hot dog costume. Don't worry. Me too. I'll be a food too. Like tiny food. Slim food. Slim food. Snatched. Healthy. Oh, stop. But

I just think Girls So Confusing is like, someone said it's the rate on me for people who do ketamine and period. Y'all are on too much powders. Relax we stop like okay cool we all do ketamine like stop talking about it i want to put out there as sort of a corollary to lisha batik let's take a break from powders it's fine if you want to do powders i'm just like this

whole thing of like yes community we're addressing you we all know that everyone does ketamine okay now we can we can sort of just like it doesn't have to become your personality i get that it's the summer and the summer is starting and it's pride like ketamine yay like k is not in leisure batik like it might be a part it might be a part of what goes down but like that's a q not a k yeah it's becoming that thing of like when you're you know when you're like just get into high school and you start smoking weed or whenever you start smoking weed it's like all you can talk about you started thinking it's all you can talk about it's just like i don't think the um it's not cool that we all do ketamine you know what i mean

maybe it is all right i mean you are way cooler than me. So it's like- No, no, that is not true. You literally are. We're not having this discussion. Let's work it out on the remix. On the remix. You know who I saw the other night?

I did the monologues at- Rapscraps. Rapscraps, which is the new ASCAP. And a couple of things happened, which I want to talk about. But you know who was performing was Tammy Sager. Oh my God, Tammy. And she says hello things happened, which I want to talk about, but you know, who was performing was Tammy Sager. Oh my God, Tammy. And she says, hello.

And I just remembered that night we went to Joy and Tritoria and worked it out on the remix with Tammy and Kat and Pat and BSJ. And also her episode of Lost Coach, Miss Sadie Cohen was a moment when we really worked it out on the remix. We walked through like a lot of hard feelings. We did. And that episode, but it was just funny to see her there because like i was like you know you're dangerous because you open up the floodgates emotionally oh yeah she got us to work it out

on the remix which is very easy to talk to you know what i mean like and so sometimes it's just like you you you start talking and then you've said things. Oh. But the other part I wanted to say, and this was emotional actually. So did the monologues at Rat Scraps, which was the old ASCAP, you've done it before. We know like from coming of age in comedy and a time when UCB was truly king in New York,

that like ASCAP was like the hottest show. It's like such a super big honor to do monologues for either that show or Rat Scraps, which is all the classics yet from UCB where they're improvising and just such a fun show. So I did my monologues and they, they improvised scenes off them. It was a really fun night. And then at the end, some kids came up who are hammer cats and danger box, and they do reality show now at NYU. And they were like 21 years old and they were literally little versions of us. And they were so sweet.

And they were like, they were like, we're so inspired by like, you know, you guys doing so well. And we know it started here. So we work really hard. And you can just tell how inspired by they are by like you and stephanie shoe and rachel bloom and shana taub you know shout out two-time tony winner the first time someone has ever won for book and score at the tony's that is shana taub that is 100 one of the original girlies and you know it was just really amazing like and i realized you know they're coming up there in that group now these are our sketch and improv groups at nyu everybody which

were like stuff we cared so deeply about and you know they're looking at a world where like so many of the people that went through that like really succeeded i mean a hammer cat fucking headline coachella okay so like anything can happen child Childish kid, you know? Yeah. But like, what I mean is it was really cool to see them so obviously galvanized to be doing what they're doing. This one girl was in Hammercats, Dangerbox reality show,

and was a double major in drama and dramatic writing. I was like, you are really going for it, but like they're really going for it. And it made me so proud. And I knew it would make you proud too. I'm so, I'm beaming. I'm like, I'm doing like a,

like a little, like a emotional frown, bottom eyes emoji. Oh, I just, that is like setting the groundwork for so much of everything. It'll be a lot of disappointment and a lot of like triumph. And also like it is if you're, yeah, you're really centering the work early on. And that's like something that like I kind of like have like thoughts about. I'm like, I should have, I'm like, could I have done more back in the day to like throw myself into things? But like, it doesn't matter. I mean, the answer is clearly if you could have,

you wouldn't have needed to because look how everything has worked out. But I too was a workhorse back then. It was never enough. I lived and breathed it. Like it was what I thought about every day. Shout out to chemistry and my bachelor of arts in chemistry at NYU,

but that was not the thing that was keeping me going. Oh my God. I forgot to tell you. We did a game show the other night and we do celebrity essences. Oh no. And the answer to them was you. The answer to one was you. Do you want to know your celebrity essences?

Yes, I have to know. Okay. Did the people guess right or no? Everyone knew it was you. It was easy. That was my note for us with the game show this time. I was everyone knew it was you it was easy that was my note for us with game show this time i was like it was a little too easy but guys whenever we do bell bell house game show you gotta comment it's so fun it's so fun so it was lauren michaels oh god three dollar bill uh-huh there you go who's that gonna be mike? Mikey Day? Okay.

The Periodic Table. Okay. This is so easy. Matt Rogers. And oh my God, what was the fifth one? Uh-oh. Tomato. I thought about tomato, but then I was like, people don't really know that.

Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sure. Wait, there was a fifth one. I'll think of it. Okay. Well, I'm honored. Yeah, okay. Okay. Sure. Wait, there was a fifth one. I'll think of it. Okay. Well, I'm honored.

Oh my God. That's a huge honor to be in Celebrity Essences. Well, it was just going to be a twofer and it was going to be Lorne Michaels and $3 bill. I mean, there you go. But then I was like,

I was having too much fun thinking of them. We had a really fun time. It was really fun. But anyway anyway like seeing those kids and i just want to look at them and say listen your pop girlies right now they might disappoint you in the future but don't for example you know teenage dream changed my life now caruso voter who works with dr luke Still, listen to me. I know you love

Sabrina Carpenter. I know you love Chapel Roan. They're humans. They might disappoint you one day. Oh my God. Just never forget what good luck babe meant to you now. I'm just kidding. I think Chapel Roan will never disappoint anyone. That's not putting any pressure on her at all no and can i say i feel very conscious of the fact that i like watching her blow up so fucking fast has of course been thrilling but you have been a big you've been a champion for her since the beginning i can't say i was first because that's insane no but like i was early a straight man told me about chapel roan matthew vaughn my producer of have you heard of christmas we were literally shooting have you heard of christmas the special and he was like you have no idea this new girly chapel roan and

i was like yeah yeah whatever and then i listened to casual and i was like oh wait did he have a major point matthew vaughn deserves some kind of Alicia Batik award. I mean, he produced Have You Heard of Christmas. Well, there you go. But I mean, like that is like

a straight man with that kind of taste specificity. It was fucking wild to watch her perform live. After that, I'm like, oh my God,

I went with him. Sudi and I went with him to the show. Right, right. At the Fonda, that famed Fonda show I talk about. And then I was like, Sudi and I went with him to the show at the Fonda that famed Fonda show I talk about and then I was like oh my god this is gonna be so major and now it's

so major like last night at the Jimmy's the girl who won the Jimmy's like shouted out Chapel Roan oh my god talk about the Jimmy's oh the Jimmy's were great the winners were excellent the girl who won sang the music that make me dance from funny girl original

broadway oh wow it was it was really amazing and um oh my god the kid who won uh the guy who won sang make them hear you and also his medley had been seymour and he sort of held back on his seymour but i'm like i hope he makes the finals because he's going to open up and really show everyone something. And then he delivered a performance that was Jimmy's lore. This was so great. And you know, I love the Jimmy's.

I cry the whole time watching how happy they are for each other. And again, like I had just seen the kid, the Hammercats, Dangerbox reality show kids. And then I saw these kids

and I'm like, God, because they are so unjaded you know what i mean they're just trying so hard they want it so bad and it makes me happy and they were so gifted yet again duh but chaperone did get mentioned and well i guess what i was saying is i do feel like her letting everyone know that she's uncomfortable with the amount of fame right now and that she's walking through it is something that like is a really important thing for her to say

because it means it's what she needs. And so therefore I'm like, you know, while I'm so excited about what's happening with her and what will happen with her, I nervous is the wrong word. I'm just kind of like, but everyone be cool you

know you're healthily concerned yeah like be cool because i mean if it reminds everyone of gaga i feel like when gaga exploded like her way of coping was to pretend she was an authority on fame and that it was her assignment that was like essentially a millennial coping mechanism i think totally whereas chapel's coping mechanism is very i very gen z it seems where she's just like going to be authentically a little depressed about it like it's like you are losing something you know you get on the mic now everyone listens to what you say whereas just six months ago you could see her at skokie Pride and she could say whatever the fuck and it would be whatever but now it's you know she's like

probably gonna win best new artist at the Grammys is Skokie Pride real? it should be every city should have a pride including Skokie I agree I got to talk to her for interview magazine and she is just working through it.

And what she kept saying was, which I think is like, so this is what's got out of me, is that she kept saying, I am just doing what I've always done. And I'm like, yes, yes, you have. And I think she knows the roadmap for her, which is just out and she was just posting TikToks from her little bedroom. And it was like, just like, just so like, I don't give a shit. Like this is like, this is like not anything a pop star would have done 10 years ago. And I love that there's new model. And like the proxy war between Sabrina and Chapel is done. Like everyone like stand down. Like Sabrina carpeting. Like everyone, like stand down, like Sabrina carpeting, good luck, babe,

is so good. It was so good. I'm obsessed with that cover. It was so good. I mean, Sabrina is a really talented singer. And I mean, it's a totally different sound than Chapel, but really just, she has a great technique. She's a great communicator.

I love her lyrics. I mean, her stuff reminds me of like Dolly Parton. I feel like I keep saying that. I said that to do it too, but it's no, please, please, please. Like really throws it back for me in a, in a way that I'm like, I bet, you know, Dolly would be interested in proud of. To me, it's giving Judy Sill the way she sings.

Motherfucker is Judy Sill. Like from. Motherfucker. Motherfucker. Yeah. That's a moment in history right there. That's a moment in culture. Motherfucker is a moment in culture.

And you know, I see she's kind of uniting gays too. I'm going to say it. I see some people hedging uniting gays too. I'm going to say it. I see some people hedging on chapel in a way where I'm like, why are you hedging on chapel? You love chapel. Put your hands up. It's a rollercoaster, babe.

Well, she's reached the point now where she will invite contrarianism. That's it. God, can you imagine? That's got to be what fucks her up. Of course. It's like, wow, she's gotten to That's got to be what fucks her up. Of course. It's like, wow, she's gotten to the point now where they're going to start talking about me like I'm not a person. So confusing sometimes. So confusing sometimes. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Should we do? I don't think so, honey. Let's do. I don't think so, honey. Cause mine is actually chapel related.

Um, this is our 60 second segment where we sort of, you know, pop off and something in culture. I'm actually going to turn this inward. Okay. It's chapel related, but it's introspective yeah amazing well this is matt rogers's i don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't think so honey the collaborative decision to not give uh chapel

roan's good luck babe best bridge of the year the last culture is this culture awards we gave it to treacherous by taylor swift a bridge that has been celebrated now for years and years and years and years and i do have to say while i love that bridge and i think it's a deserving winner in any other year good luck babe is the bridge of the year period point blank there is no better bridge that has been released then good luck babe and i feel like maybe we thought we were giving chapa a little too much and naming all these categories after her she won album of the year for the second year in a row last year she won we didn't even know what the album was called it didn't exist yet and she still won album of the year so she's an album of the year one or twice for the same thing maybe we

thought we couldn't also give her bridge of the year for good luck babe well what i want to say is at the time i thought am i gonna regret later? And I wish I could say back to me, because there is no better bridge and chapel. It's an apology from us. Cause I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. I co-signed that apology. And I also want to put out there that good luck, babe has is going to be nominated for Best Pre-Chorus. That is a fucking great

pre-chorus. Yeah. Ugh. It's the perfect thing that launches you into the it's so, baby. It's the perfect thing that launches you into the... It's so propelling. It's so like...

It's exactly what a pre-chorus should do, should be, which is to just fucking drive you... A step up. Yep. It's the launch of the rollercoaster. That's what it is. By the way,

I know you have to leave soon, but tell them you're going to be late because I have to touch on Dark Universe. Do you want to do your I Don't Think So Honey first? Let's touch on Dark... Well, yeah, I'll do my I Don't Think So Honey on Dark Universe. You're going to do it on Dark Universe?

It's about Dark Universe, but it's so stupid, but you've given me something. You've given me fodder. Here, put the timer on. I'm doing the Gen Z hand. Wait, Becca, get a picture of this. Did you get it? Did you get it? Okay. Got it. That's going to be,

this actually was a little bit of a titillating episode. Okay. Wait, I'm so shook. This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey, about something that's been really saving my life. And I'm looking forward to, I don't know what this is going to be. Bo and Yang's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Me thinking that the steakhouse in Dark Universe was called Dark Steakhouse, but it is called Dot Steakhouse.

I thought that these fucking creative geniuses at Universal who are putting together Dark Universe, who are rolling this out like a fucking... Like nothing we've ever seen before. The hype is unlike anything I've ever felt before. But I did have to

go record scratch when they talked about the restaurant called Dot Steakhouse. But I thought it was going to be called Dark Steakhouse. And I went, if that's what it's called, then I am posted up at Dark Steakhouse every fucking night because that's the funniest shit I've ever heard. I petitioning for them to change it to please call it Dark Steakhouse for me, please.

I will. I will. I will go in. I will. I will invest money. I want to go. I want to eat at a restaurant called dark steakhouse yes they will be serving steaks on steaks because there will be what vampires who someone invited in oh brother one minute oh my god so the restaurant is called dos steakhouse and it's not called dark steakhouse but i do it would be so funny if epic universe opened dark universe with dark steakhouse like that would be so slay imagination on two what are they some june month fags unbelievable june month unimaginative june month and then like they'd be like oh sorry when we named it we were all on ketamine like what are you?

Okay. It's called Das Steakhouse. It will be run by the familiars of vampires. Okay. Oh, the familiars. I see. If you're not like me watching all this content and passing it on to Bo and Yang, literally. And do you watch the stuff that I send you?

Of course I do. You do? I watched all the, I watched, oh, bitch, don't even. I watched the entire Jenny Nichol, oh bitch, don't even. I watched the entire Jenny Nicholson Star Wars Hotel takedown. So good, right? I'm obsessed with her.

Yeah, she's terrific. She's chapel-ronish of, she's chapel-ron of YouTube because it's like drag. She'll show up in like so many different looks, like, and I'm just like, oh, I love it.

She has so many looks. She has giant plushes just in the background sitting there while she's in a fucking First Order costume, talking about how this hotel fucking sucks. I was like, this is my girl. I really want to know what she feels about the rollout of the Epic Universe stuff. So basically, my most anticipated land, and this will shock people because i'm not a horror person but i am like a classic movie person and these kinds of horror movies i can do so this is classic monsters this is the dark universe this is your wolfman your frankenstein your dracula your bride of frankenstein your brides of dracula your mummy

your creature from the black lagoon etc so, this is going to be a whole land in Epic Universe, and it is going to tear down. It is going to tear down. They're basically elevating the concept of the haunted house and blowing it the fuck out. So people have been on the Forbidden Journey ride, the Harry Potter Forbidden Journey ride. You know, you sit in those chairs and the like floating chairs, the benches. the fuck out so people have been on the forbidden journey ride the harry potter forbidden journey ride you know you sit in those chairs and they're like floating chairs the benches they're doing

they're giving that but there's going to be no no ceiling so it's going to be like there's going to be like 360 wraparound screens and up to 15 state-of-the-art animatronic figures that tell this like story which is that victoria frankenstein who's the great great granddaughter of mr frankenstein doctor by the way go off dr frankenstein has decided to resume the family name capture the monsters and do a demo of how she's able to control them villain wouldn't you know it something goes wrong okay we did not learn from the original frankenstein that you know we are not meant to control all nature man is not meant to control nature um and havoc is going to ensue and basically what they're describing this as is so so so in a word

cunty because not only julia is it's so julia and not only is victoria so Julia and not only is Victoria Frankenstein popping off, but then across the way, there's a curse of the werewolf rollercoaster with a mystic named Malerva who warns us that we bear the curse of the werewolf. No. And then we speed off into the woods and the werewolf tries to, you guessed it, eat. Get us. to eat us. And so this is just, this is women slaying or flopping with slay results all over this land.

And that's life. I love it. There is dust steakhouse. There's a little makeup parlor where you can have monster makeup put on and you can go back out into the park. Not for me, but for someone else. And then finally there is a burning blade tavern,

which if you're fans of the original frankenstein you know of the windmill that burst into flame that's going to be in the park and it's a full-on bar okay so this is sort of where i completely shut the rest of my life off and just only focus on this on YouTube. My landing page is so embarrassing. I'm really nerdy about it, but it is making my life better on a day-to-day basis while I sit here in my STX windbreaker in my air conditioning. I'm so happy for you. I gleefully pass it on to you too. I get so excited about showing you this stuff. And I receive it. This is a thing that people are talking about now um sunlight guilt oh yeah go and go into this i i implicitly know what it is it's like and people in vancouver feel it all the time because they only get a small window of sunny

days here um and they really make the most out of it. And I really love that culture. Like these are people who are go-getters. We're active, activated. But Sunshine Guild, Sunlight Guild, it's like, well, the day's so nice outside. I guess we have to go and like gallivant. Well, you don't. You don't have to do anything ever just because the weather is a certain way.

I mean, I completely understand. It's a form of FOMO, I guess, right? It's a form of FOMO, but like, here's how I know that I'm like not, I'm not like other girls. Go on. All these gays posting from Central Park, from like

Sheep's Meadow or whatever, I'm like, couldn't be me. Yeah, I, you know, it's hard for me to imagine going out and laying out in the park. In the words of Vanessa Hudgens, I respect it, but I don't know that I would ever engage in that. And maybe something's wrong with me, but that is like, Sheep's Meadow is sunshine guilt central. Well, I just feel like there's nowhere to get relief from how hot it's going to be. You know what I mean? Like it's not going to the beach or hanging out by the pool or something where you can kind of dip in dip out whatever it's like if you're going to the park or like something like

that it's like you're laying on that towel and I hope you're able to adjust to whatever the situation presents itself because that is the situation but here's what I'm doing. And I'm dead ass about this. I'm going to the library this summer because guess what? They have cooling stations. They literally, there is room in the budget, which is being slashed to fucking nothing by Eric Adams. Yeah, he's fucking awful and has been fucking awful. And I'm so happy that there's like to see the uprising against them because it's been time. It's,

God, this guy sucks. Like, the libraries have cooling stations. I just got my Brooklyn Public Library card. There's a new one in Brooklyn Heights. Well, not a new one,

but it's just, it just, they renovated it. It's an old church. It is chic as hell. I'm going there. I'm browsing all the DVDs. Oh my God.

I need to talk to you about James Seamus, who co-wrote the original Wedding Bank, but with Ang Lee is also, has also co-written the remake with Andrew Ahn. He finally came to set this week and so lovely. And we went to dinner and he has this whole treatise on how streamers are basically ruining culture,

all culture. It's like, I just, I have to get into this with you like in person. And I will, I will bring this to lost culture, but this is like, our culture is ruined because all of our culture is like browsing below the fold,

right? It's like you go on the landing page, you see the title. And if that doesn't appeal to you, you go, let me go down. And the further down you go, the more this feeling sets in of,

well, fuck, I don't like any of this shit. Oh my God. That is really astute observation. I think about that all the time. That's all of our culture. It's when you shop online. It's that exact experience. The further down you go, you're like, well, none of this, none of this is good.

It's when you're on Grindr. It's when you're on dating apps. It's when you're on any kind of thing where something is being like Spotify, it's like, well, something must be wrong with me because I don't like any of this. And then it is- I almost had a breakdown the other day on Spotify for this very reason, because I was like, I need to find a new song. I was like, and then I was like, oh my God, I can't. I can't because it's like, literally it's like- Everyone's going through it. And I say this with all love,

but like I sometimes I feel like I go on YouTube and I see what they give me and it's all just like clips of Bravo. Like what happened with Lindsay and Carl or the Dark Universe thing? And then I'm like, I'm looking at it and I'm like, think about me every night. Oh, isn't that me espresso? Say again, sing me, baby, I know.

Good luck, babe. And it's just like, it becomes like a soup circle of the same little micro culture where I'm like, who am I? And then I read a book. And I actually have been reading a book that you suggested. Mean Boys. Mean Boys by Jeffrey Mack. I'm reading reading a book that you suggested. Mean Boys. Mean Boys by Jeffrey Mack. I'm reading Martyr by Kabe Akbar. So good.

You would love it. I think you would really love this book too. Actually, you know what? I have that book. They sent it to us, didn't they? Yeah, I think they did. Somebody sent that to us. Somebody sent it to me.

I was like, who sent me this? And then like, I let the galley sit on my shelf. Flop, flop behavior on my part. And then it came out and everyone is obsessed with it. Seth Meyers loves this book. Best vibe, hands down. And I read it and I was just like, oh, this fucking rules.

This is exactly my shit. You would love it. Reading is what? Fundamental. The library is where it's at. The vibes are immaculate. I go there. I'm like,

this was college for me. Speaking of college, would wake up, go. I was talking to Jared about this. He would go to the library of Columbia. I would just go wake up, autopilot,

walk, walk to Bobst, spend nine hours there. I am all for the library. No cuts to libraries. Please donate to any library in your area. You won't regret it. Like,

Sarah Diska Parker did this whole PSA on it that I really found cool. She was like, it's amazing. That honor system, you have all these books. They're free. They're all yours as long as you bring them back. There's something beautiful about that whole idea. I'm like, yeah, all these books. They're free. They're all yours as long as you bring them back. There's something beautiful about that whole idea.

I'm like, yeah, she's right. Anyway. I know there are some books I took out when I was a little kid that never got returned. I know it. I don't think I'll ever get over it. No, no, no. That's the sunlight guilt for me. Let it go.

That's not sunlight guilt. It's not at all, but I feel similar. Shame. It's a similar shame. I feel not at all, but I feel similar. Shame. It's a similar shame. I feel like I just tapped someone on Grindr. I feel so ashamed. What's the title of app? I don't think we landed on one.

Work it out, Remix. Yes, period. Okay, I do have to go. He has to go. So guys, we end every episode with a song. Go. It's so confusing sometimes to be a girl. Go.

Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Whenever anyone is messing with you, just say, Go. It feels so good.

It feels amazing. We're ending this episode feeling so good. Bye. Bye. Lost Culture Recess is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and Han Sani.

Produced by Becca Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Boehm and Monique Laborde. And our music is by Henry Komerski. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Cheryl Swoops.

And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One,

founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty

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We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, friends. I'm Jessica Capshaw.

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