Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Let's Call It A Play!" (w/ Drew Droege)

Episode Date: November 8, 2017

The old wives have been saying it since the Middle Ages: “enjoy the table you’re at, especially if June Squibb is at that table!” The kind and supremely talented Drew Droege joins Matt & Bowen in studio to talk about his critically acclaimed play, Bright Colors And Bold Patterns (playing Nov. 12 - Jan. 7 @ SoHo Playhouse!), Chloë Sevigny, Harvey Fierstein’s Torch Song, Villain origin stories, The Oscars post-Weinstein, and more on an electric new ep! They also talk about Diane Wiest. Why? Because there’s only one Diane Wiest and that’s Diane Fucking Wiest. Also, Bowen encourages everyone to see Greta Gerwig’s Lady Bird, Drew hopes Get Out snags Best Picture, and Matt asks Bowen, “what’s your verdict on Kiernan Shipka?” CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistas/twitter.com/lasculturistasPLEASE SUBSCRIBE AND RATE US on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.LAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.

Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo, or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba?

Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tariqa Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Julian Edelman.

I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show dudes on dudes. We're spilling all the behind scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week we're discussing our favorite players of all times from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're gonna find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season.

Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, guys. We're here to tell you about our third installment in New York of our I Don't Think So, Honey live show. Again, it's 50 comedians and performers taking one minute each to go off on culture. It's November 18th at 10 p.m. at the Bell House, part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. Yes, we have amazing, amazing people doing the show.

We have Francesca Ramsey, Joel Kim Booster, Akilah Hughes, Survivor Zeke Smith, Sarah Tolomash, and much, much more. You have to buy tickets to this show. It's going to be an amazing gag. It's November 18th, 10 p.m. It's a Saturday night as part of Brooklyn Podcast Festival. At the Bell House, bitch. Come on, Bell House.

Ding dong, it's Culturista's calling. And the game is already afoot in here because we're already talking cult. Oh, my goodness. And I was nervous, you know, not to use an old wives expression, blow our load a little bit too early, Bo. As the old wives say. The old wives have been saying it since the Middle Ages. And, you know, we just got off.

Oh. No pun there. To the thought of being on a plane and watching certain films. And you're saying that you, this blows my mind, you're saying you would get emotional while watching My Best Friend's Wedding during the scene where Cameron Diaz does karaoke.

Yes, because what an emotionally fraught scene. The arc of that scene is insane. Like she's, she's petrified to sing in front of this room of strangers and then she does it and then she's triumphant. Like I get that.

It's a hardship narrative You said I mean you were like it's a comedic performance It's great and I was like yeah But also what an emotional Ride that she takes this on that ultimately Ends on a high note like I don't know the topography Of that that's beautiful

I never thought of it as emotional but you know what And you know what else I never thought of I never thought To ask about what hot engineer Will's last name was. And then today I found out this gentleman's name is Will Smith. Now, I don't really want to get into this. His name is Will Smith. I think he's gotten this his whole life. I don't think.

He hasn't gotten it from us. That's right. I haven't gotten it from you. But I don't think. I think that's enough. I don't think we need to really go into this. I mean, fine, bitch. His name is Will Smith. He happens to have the same into this. I mean, fine, bitch. His name is Will Smith.

He happens to have the same name as one of the- I just think it's amazing. How old are you? 26. 26. So Will Smith was not, it wasn't a known thing. He was definitely known. He was definitely known?

My parents were just blissfully unaware. Okay. Okay, and I did think about this. No desire, and I respect, I would respect this if you had no desire to change um the shortened name to bill or or willie there's so many williams in my family i have no desire it's a family you know what though if if my last name was heaton you would i would definitely name it patricia patricia my daughter some of them you need to go along with will smith that's just too

big but but if your last name is parker and you don't have a daughter named Sarah Jessica Parker, you don't get the assignment. Sure, sure, sure. You don't get the assignment, which is to name your children after a celebrity. Very clearly. Alright, so listen, I kind of guess for me, I don't know about for you, bitch. I think this is, I mean, this is really,

I don't know, this is so, this is so, what's the word I'm looking for? Cathartic? Cloying, for me to say, but like, you know, you and I have loved this person

for so many years. You went to go see our guest do like a character workshop in college. This was at USC. Yeah? At the Frockus Comedy Festival. Billy Domino, former guest of the show,

and I were really excited to take this character workshop class and then the entire time i think our guest brought just sort of intellectualized jerry blank in this way that was so gorgeous and i was like this is this is it this is all i need to know and i think and i think that still holds true i stand by um oh god he's amazing. Let's talk about what they do. Okay, so he is the host of his own podcast, Minor Revelations. And he is going to start his run at the Soho Playhouse of his amazing, amazing show, Bright Colors and Bold Patterns. I saw this three years ago at Ars Nova. Yeah.

And still remember it vividly to this day. It's so good. It's so good. Directed by Michael Urie. Oh, amazing. And we just talked about Michael. Yeah, because he's in the show. Because he so good. Directed by Michael Urie. Oh, amazing. And we just talked about Michael. Yeah, because he's in a show. Because he's in a show.

And we're going to hear about that. Yeah, I can't wait to keep talking about this. And, you know, his TV film credits just are fucking wild, wild, wild. It would be a whole brick of text if we had to type this out. It would just be too goddamn long. No, no, no. You'd get fucking exhausted. And Matt, why don't you tell everybody about it?

I would say the children have to know. They have to search the Chloe Sevigny videos. He says it like seven-ee. Right, right. But also, you just don't know what's pronounced correctly and what's not in those videos, honey. He plays with language in such a way. He plays with pronunciation in a way that is captivating. There you go. So let's welcome our guest,

Drew Droege. Hi, everybody. Hi, hello. Oh my goodness It's so fun to just sit here And just hear myself talked about And like pretend like I'm not in the room yet You have to bow in it Like I just flew in

Like oh poof Here I am Already? Oh hi What a gorgeous bath What a fun little What would you call that? A diegetic of podcasts

I love that No that's not the right word A digestif A digestif I A digestif. I love digestif. An aperitif. An aperitif. It's a beautiful moment

in every podcast when the guests can just hear themselves credited. Yeah. You know? I love that. It's really nice

to look back and go, you know what? I did it. I've done it. Is it nice or is it mortifying? It's both. It's horrible.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll just sit here and go, I mean, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure. So you just have to go through all that and also the moment where they put you on the spot

and they're like so what do you want us to say I know I know and you're like and I know but you were both so lovely but no I mean sometimes it's unbelievable

when they have you on and they're like reading off the back of a cereal and they're like um and what have you done and they make you feel like they're mad that you're there and you're like

I don't know especially if they don't really get what it is that you do. I was just on. That's the other thing. I'm not. It'd be if I was playing Chandler on Friends. You know what I mean? It's like you love them as this is this.

But it's like, yeah, I do so many weird offshoot insane ragtag. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad I'm not on a sitcom. Yeah. No, we don't need it. I'm glad I don't have a regular job. I love just like screaming and begging and throwing pieces of yarn together and making a dream happen. But you do that best.

You're the best at that thing. And sorry to shoehorn in a compliment there. No, okay. And these are just some small little granules of other credits that I think I have to throw in because I think Billy will appreciate this. Planet Unicorn. Oh, yeah. Tanya Roberts. Yes.

With Damiana Garcia. Yes. These guys, just Google them. They're, I mean, obviously, Tanya Roberts. Chloe is, like, the big one, but, like, you gotta Google. Planet Unicorn, we watched.

I watched this with some friends. A nice mix of sexualities and sensibilities, and we all still were like, this holds up 10 years later. Planet Unicorn was the brainchild of my friends Mike Rose and Tyler Spears. And they put that together with me.

They just brought me along. I can't really take credit for any of the writing of that. That was their thing. And it was for this- It was Channel 101. Channel 101. And so it was just this idea that they had and they threw me into it.

And it was like, it was one of the first viral videos that I ever, definitely the first one I was involved in, but it was kind of when that was starting. And it was unbelievable because we had so many children that were after it because it's very innocent. It's subversive

in the way that as an adult you know what's going on, but there's nothing dirty about it, there's nothing jokey, catty, bitchy at all. It's very sweet, and it's about being sweet and taking care of each other. The queer references are just them all drinking boba together, like bubble tea. That's the most overtly gay thing,

is them being at the beach. It's so sweet. Well, kids bubble tea. That's like the most overtly gay thing, is like them being at the beach. Like it's so sweet. Well kids are gay. Yeah. Exactly. Kids are gay, especially little boys. Little boys. You're so gay. And these little girls that just like

had these slumber parties and they all would dress up like the unicorns. Yeah. No way. I mean it was really magical. Little gay girls. Little gay girls. Little gay girls. Be gay girl.

Be gay girl. You know when you go sometimes I'll flash back to elementary school we do children's theater here and there and so we'll go to a school those little six year old boys just laying in each other's laps just kissing each other's faces it's just like stay this way

I know exactly because even you know and if we can teach anything to the next generation all the hetero boys just to be that way and it's okay. Yeah. Because it's lovely and don't like, you know, because boys crave touch of each other. Gay, straight, non-binary, whatever you want to say. Sure, sure.

They crave it. And like when they don't, when they can't, they can't hug or touch, they punch or they, you know. It's hard. You know, because they want that connection so badly. It's a human thing. I think that you're right. It's definitely a response. It makes me so sad because I have a cousin who's growing up on Long Island,

and it's very toxic masculinity, and he's 11 going to be 12, and I can hear him deepening his voice. I can hear him talking down here. When when you really listen to it it's not natural right it's something else it's it's a it's something you're doing to yourself to make yourself sound like a boy right or a man and that's like 11 12 years old which is I think when your sex that's when it starts to happen a little bit when you're starting to be like oh oh, I gotta act like a guy. I gotta be too cool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, what's up? How are you? Dang. That thing, and you're like, oh, please. Yeah, no, don't go. Don't go. Let it out.

Turn around. Go lay in your friend's lap. It's fine. You're made of colors and dreams. It's so, and then, yeah, I mean, you see them like, he's like, I want a gun for Christmas. You're like, no, that's, you don't want a gun. Wait, did your cousin actually say that?

I mean, sometimes he dips his toe into these things. He didn't say I want a gun for Christmas. But there's also a thing where, you know, as a kid, I mean, you know, I loved horror movies and I loved violence. And I love, you know, so I mean, there's also that. So, you know, I think like there's there's also a thing where you're like you you're testing the line. Yeah. And you kind of love I mean, I loved dark things. I love anything as I you know, so anything that was just like, I mean, I loved dark things. I love anything.

Cause I, you know, so anything that was just like, you know, kind of subversive and fucked up. I, I, on some level it was like this, this world, I need to be in this. But that's a thing that I think speaks to like an emotional intelligence that a lot of boys don't have. Wait. And speaking of just being emotionally in touch, Drew walked in, I think, are you still in this emotionally fraught place?

I feel dull, stupid, and bad because I just- No. No, and because of what happened to me today. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so walk us through it. But you just came in, you just saw a play. Yes, I just saw Michael Urie's play, Torch Song. Well, Harvey Fierstein's play, Torch Song, starring Michael Urie.

Yes. And that's why I say I feel dull, stupid, and bad because it just melted me in all the bestrie. Yes. And that's why I say I feel dull, stupid, and bad because it just melted me in all the best ways. Yeah. It is essential viewing. If you're in New York and you have to see it because, I mean, I remember I saw the movie when I was in college.

There's so many lines from it that you won't believe that were quoted from that. You'll be like, I know that line. I know that line because people have quoted that play for 30 years. And it is so, it is like I came in and said, it's our glass menagerie or our town. It's that seminal and it's that important and it's funny and it's heartbreaking. It punches you across the soul.

It is so good. God damn it. Now I have to go. Michael just really makes it his own. I mean, it's like, you know, you just really makes it his own I mean it's like you know you can't you can't live in it

without feeling Harvey there and Michael really does honor Harvey but gives it such his own spin and but it is

it's three pieces it's long it's three hours you're in you're in for an evening of theater right but it flies by

but you're getting 1971 1974 and 1980 and our culture and seeing who we were and what we were and how timely it is now and there's stuff that happens in the play that i was like if this was set in the 90s i wouldn't believe it but because it's set in the 70s it's it actually could be happening now with all the sexual fluidity and all the stuff that's kind of happening it there's unbelievable stuff that is like that that aids really changed i mean for

lack of putting it in another way that like in the 80s and 90s we were in a different space and this play is just before that right this play is not aware of aids yet and and because it you know everything was freewheeling and and yet there's so much of what's going on now in the play. It's unbelievable. And Mercedes Ruhl, come on. Oh, wow. Come on. That's the children have forgotten Mercedes Ruhl.

I might have been a child that had forgotten. Have you ever seen The Fisher King? Brilliant. She won the Oscar. She won Best Actress. And she is phenomenal. And she plays Michael's mom. She played the role that Estelle Getty played

in the original production because you know this story but Harvey saw Estelle Getty in a community theater production of something in New Jersey way pre-Golden Girls yes this is how Golden Girls happened for her because she got anyway he saw

her in the show he was like you have to play my mom she had no real professional credits he saw her in the show. He was like, you have to play my mom. She had no real professional credits. He put her on Broadway to play his mother in this. And then from Torch Song Trilogy, Estelle Getty got Sophia in the Golden Girls. And she was just brought on as a guest star because originally in the pilot of Golden Girls, it was Dorothy Rose and Blanche and then the gay housekeeper. And then Cleo, I want to say his name was. I'm wrong.

Coco, Coco. And then Sophia was the guest star. She was coming to visit. And then they were like, we love the mom. And it's the 80s, so we don't need gays on TV. So bye. So anyway, but that was Estelle Getty's story. Unbelievable.

I didn't know that. I mean, Pat, just talking about Harvey, it's like what um like what like he's like one of like the great gay benefactors i think absolutely when they when all the drag race queens honored him yeah oh so much that was did you see that that was okay so they had on drag race it was no it was the logo uh it was at the logo awards or something it could have been like the new Now Next Awards or something like that. He got some sort of like lifetime achievement honor. And actually Ginger Minj, the drag queen. Yes, wonderful. Wonderful. Performed this number for him.

And it was so, she was so like in her body. She was so centered. It was a beautiful performance. Such a good tribute. It was like beyond what you thought like Ginger Minj was capable of. Which is a musical theater girl. But that was a real performance. I a good tribute. Like it was like beyond what you thought like Ginger Minj was capable of. Which is a musical theater girl. But that was a real performance. I said I turned to Henry I was like she could be

fucking on Broadway. Yeah. She could play Mama. I've heard that about her and you really have no idea from Drag Race what those queens can do and can't do. No right. Because that show really does edit these stories about these and so you really don't always know. You watch them and you're like I don't really know about that one and then you see them and they blow

you away but yeah I saw Harvey do Hairspray when you saw him do it as well yeah that was incredible I saw him do it at the Hollywood Bowl and it was like I'd never understood Harvey Fierstein until I saw him live like I had seen the movie Torch Song

trilogy I had seen him obviously Birdcage and a million other things and I always loved him but it wasn't until I saw him live. His ability to that deadpan, that stare to hold a look. Oh my god. The whole room is filled with almost no effort.

It's crazy. He really like you're hanging on his every move when he is on stage. He is a uniquely talented performer. It's crazy. And that was in a show full of incredible people and you walk away and you're like,

that had to even inspire them. You're talking about, this was a young cast of Matthew Morrison, Laura Bell Bundy, Marissa Jarrett Winokur, I believe. Carrie Butler was in that. Yeah, she was Penny. So this is all these people that this was just Marissa Jarrett Winokur I believe Carrie Butler was in that yeah she was Penny she was Penny Pinkerton

so this is like all these people that this was just the surface of what you see their talent also there was one actress

and I just want to toss this out for this actress she was she played the trailer trash mom in that mini driver movie where she does

the pageants beautiful beautiful ah here's a deep cut okay here we go drew drogey was an extra and beautiful yes tell us everything sally field i sure was sally field directed that movie and yeah and mini driver and the girl from the pepsi commercials yes oh my god. What's her, what's her face? Jesse Eisenberg's sister. Hallie Eisenberg.

This is Nick. Is this Drew's first, I'm sorry, I'm referring to you in the third person, first screen credit or you're an extra? Somehow it didn't end up on IMDb. No, it was right when I moved out to LA and I was, and I got some random thing to do extra work that day. And I was like, why not? And then I saw Sally Field was directing.

I was like, I was like, oh, oh I've made it I'm working with Sally Field working with her but yeah I was I was like in it I was like in the audience when she you know when she sang the fine I was in the audience if you look really hard you'll see a very

a tired terrifying skinny twink drew Drew Jogie. Let me tell you the best scene from that movie. The best scene from that movie is when they put Minnie Driver and the blonde bitch, who was, I think, married to Pete Sampras, the tennis player, Bridget Wilson Sampras. Oh, sure, sure, sure.

Or maybe it's another actress. I don't know. But one of those. So they put them in a glass box so they can't hear the other debate question. And Minnie Driver is, of course, is other debate question and mini driver is of course you know is hitting with the secret that she of course is the is the mother and she shouldn't be competing because the rules say she can't and she's deciding whether or not she's going to

share that secret and she turns to bridget wilson sampra and she says is it true do you really like roller coasters and long walks on the beach? And do you really speak Spanish and French? Because if that's true, then you deserve to win. And Bridget Wilson Sampras turns her head. She takes a beat. She turns her head and she says in a different voice than she's used the whole movie. She goes, what difference does it make?

And Sally Field, to know that Sally Field is responsible. Yeah. I'm gagged forever. That bitch gets it. She Sally Field. To know that Sally Field is responsible, I'm gagged forever. That bitch gets it. She gets it. The children have forgotten Sally Field as a director. They need to know. Yes. What difference does it make?

Children, if you need a director for your film, call Sally. Get in touch with her son. She can do it. Her son is on Tinder. Yes, he is. You can reach her through him. That's amazing. Her agent. Oh, my God. Yes, he is. You can reach her through him.

That's amazing. Her agent. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Isn't that, yeah, crazy? It's such a fantastic movie. Yeah. In the worst, in that kind of way where you're like, no. Yeah, why not?

But it was on Starz a lot. Oh, of course. Yeah. Of course. The perfect Starz movie. The perfect Starz movie. It is. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my course. The perfect stars movie. The perfect stars movie. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back.

I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through

did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski.

Guess what, folks? We're teammates again. And we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude, you're a dude, and Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show. We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against, legends from the past,

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On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian, Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian, Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with.

His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Drew, we're going to ask you what we ask all of our guests, which is... Because we've gotten some background now. Now we know. Yeah, now you know. You alluded to horror earlier,

but feel free to venture outside of that. What is the culture that made you say culture is for me? And don't limit this to movies or media necessarily, but books, where you grew up. Something that set you on the cultural journey. Yeah, of course. Eversley.

Eversley. Everybody has things. I'm drunk, y'all. Can I sleep? The first thing I thought of when you sent me that question, and I was like, the first thing I thought of was the old Batman TV show. Oh, that's not the first time. Yeah.

So, yeah. Somebody else said that. That's not the first time somebody said that on this show, actually. And I mean, I am obviously not old enough to remember when it came out. Because it was like late 60s, but I saw the reruns in the 80s, and I, as a kid would run home it wasn't currently running so I was just I was so excited about what that

rerun was gonna be that day but there was something about those colors oh yeah those villains I loved monsters growing up so anything like Cesar Romero and like I could see his beard coming through the makeup and his Joker you know and I was like this is so weird and fucked up and perfect.

And I also loved both Catwomen, but I never knew if it was going to be Julie Newmar or Eartha Kitt. So I was like, who's that going to be? And then, you know, and I loved Yvonne Craig. I love Batgirl. So when they introduced Barbara Gordon into the show, I was like, so it was just like the purples and the yellows and the bangs and the pops.

And I loved the, uh, that was a cliffhanger and, and the villains all had like fun. It was like, you know, Vincent Price is the egg man. And Joan Collins was the siren.

And she was like an opera singer that sang people to death. Oh, that is apparently gay. I love that. Joan Collins was on that show. She was a villain on the show. Yeah, they had everybody on there. They had everybody they could, you know.

And, you know, and I just, I remember as a kid being like, and I was fascinated by it. But, I mean, I also watched like Masters of the Universe and other 80s things. We watched, you know, Family Ties and The Cosby Show and all that stuff growing up. But I was obsessed with this show that was really like my parents' generation. And I was sort of like, didn't understand why nobody else wanted to talk about Batman.

Yeah. You know what? For me, looking back to my childhood, because I was very into Batman as well, although it was kind of the movies and the atmosphere that presented, there was an animated show on in like the 90s. There was an animated show. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah.

Mark Hamill was the Joker. Mark Hamill was the Joker. Yes. Yes. like there was an animated oh yeah sure yeah yeah mark hamill mark hamill yes yes but for me what always grabbed my attention and made me excited were the villain origin stories oh yeah when you provide me with a good villain origin story or even just like a well-presented come on michelle pfeiffer maybe the best one best one robbed of an os Robbed of an Oscar. Robbed of an Oscar. I agree with you. I agree with you. 100%. We say, honestly, any movie she comes out with now, if they decide to do that, like she's been around for a long time, give her an Oscar. I'm on board.

Absolutely. Give it to her for whatever. Absolutely. Give it to her this year. She's amazing. With her mother. Who cares? Is she pretty good at it?

Good. Give her an Oscar. Yeah. You took it away from her. So who won that year? I mean, what was the- That would have been, okay, Batman the that would have been okay Batman Returns would have been 92

yeah yes and so the best film was Unforgiven yes yeah well no Unforgiven

was 93 I believe Silence of the Lambs was 91 yeah then there was Forrest Gump in 90 94 94 that was 94

maybe it was Unforgiven but then in 92 Supporting Actress that's a deep that's gonna be a real deep cut because Pulp Fiction was competing with Forrest Gump That was 94. Maybe it was Unforgiven. But then a 92 supporting actress. That's a deep, that's going to be a real deep dive. Because Pulp Fiction was competing with Forrest Gump. Yeah, I remember that. So Mercedes Ruhle was 92 best actress to bring her back. I think Mercedes Ruhle was best supporting.

I think she was lead. Can we look it up? I'm looking it up. I'm almost positive. Look it up. So supporting would have been somebody like oh boy the fact that we even got here kudos to us without our smartphones we've talked about right sometimes like how that can become well actually let's talk about the Oscars because this year is going to be

a big fucking change for the Oscars because Weinstein is gone. I was reading something about the Oscars today while we get this answer. I was reading that this could be the year where all logic in terms of what we thought about the Oscars could be thrown out because people are done. Get Out could very well get nominated and win. I hope it does. It's one of my favorite

movies of the year. I thought it was brilliant. I saw it two days in a row and it was just by chance that it two days in a row and I it was just by chance that I was with friends and they were going again I was like I loved it so much I'll sit and watch it again and the second time it really holds up and you know it's one of those movies it's like so fun

the first time through but then you're like knowing what's going on the whole time it's so it's funny it's terrifying with brilliant performances it's a crack smart script yeah it's one of the best movies of the year I would love for it I so it's it's funny it's terrifying with brilliant performances it's a crack smart script yeah it's one of the best movies of the year i i would love for it i would love for it to get yeah nominations and and win why not you know what what would be a real gag was if they're not going to give a best picture because they still have their hang-ups about that whatever like

their genre hang-ups or honestly the racism in the academy is like a very real thing just because they're majority white like they just also the industry is like a very real thing just because they're majority white. Also the industry, like there's very few films that, you know, it's like they have very few that they actually see. The problem too is it's a lot of old white people

who don't see things. They don't see movies on Netflix. Right, right, right. So they go for their pals and stuff. Beasts of No Nation, whatever that brilliant performance. They just didn't watch it. Right.

I think there's also, there are factors like that. i don't think they're overtly racist as much as just they're limited in what they get access to and when they have so much yes they're gonna pick the stuff that appeals and they're and they have so much old white man stuff in front of them exactly and so that's why i feel like it's our job to change all that exactly and you see that every year the academy like the invitations they send out getting more diverse I think like if they were to just

if Jordan Peele were to win best director oh my god that would be amazing or even be nominated and Greta Gerwig Lady Bird like come on

acknowledge good oh my god yeah you saw it and you said it was fucking amazing cried twice and I'm not like I love Greta

I didn't love Mistress America but that was Noah bomb back but god Lady Bird fucking destroyed me so who won best supporting actress

and this is you're going to be like oh of course and we're going to have our thoughts Marissa she's brilliant and she's gotten so much flack for that Oscar and I will say she deserved it she's a genius in that movie

I'm glad you guys are saying this I thought she was incredible in that movie, and also given, you know, idiot-ass Faye Dunaway this year when she said La La Land, you know that Jack Palance didn't mess up, because for years they were saying Jack Palance was old and crazy

and he read the wrong name. No way, yeah. No, if he read the wrong name, they would have corrected him. They would have said something. She won the award full out. She was wonderful. Yep, yep.

And she has proven herself time and time again. Tenfold. I mean, in the bedroom. Before the devil knows you're dead. Yep. The wrestler. The wrestler. I would have voted for her.

Yes. I would have voted for her, honestly. And it was Penelope Cruz that won that year. Oh, right, right, right. Also great. Yeah. But I will totally. I will support her

We'll support Marissa For me it's about Marissa always Now There was also some Conversation about for best actress They were saying like Everyone was very gung ho about Kate Winslet there for a while

For this new Woody Allen movie And now you just hear people stop talking about it It's gonna suck so much When it is that for a while for this new Woody Allen movie. And now you just hear people stop talking about it. Yeah. It's going to suck so much when it is that, when you're just the actor in the equation and you're giving the performance and you're Kate Winslet and you're like, you know.

I also believe she probably doesn't care about getting an Oscar. She has an Oscar. She has one. She's amazing. I don't know anyone who says Kate Winslet's a bad actor. No. Or whatever.

I mean, she's thoroughly earned. She's thoroughly lauded and she's been that. No, yeah. I'm just saying like in terms of like things might change. It's like even the Woody Allen factor. It's like

you just see like the pundits like stop talking about that. You know, now they're saying this could be the year where it's like, you see a thriller nominated again for Best Picture. You see a movie, perhaps two, nominated for Direct by Women. I don't understand why we have such double standards. Because to me, the woman who was the mom in The Babadook gave one of the best performances of the year last year or two

when that came out. I was like, that deserves a nomination. We give people these awards for these sweeping period piece you wore a wig and right you know you wore a nose or whatever and i mean again you wore a nose i'm not even saying that i mean i love her and i think she deserves i mean fine performance 100 but you know but i'm just saying like why are thrillers or comedies considered less valid? I think that it all should be a part of the equation. And the interesting thing is they didn't always,

that wasn't always the case. If you look back in the 70s, you got- I mean, even with Marissa. That's a great example. Marissa winning for Michael Jackson. Right. There's always small exceptions. It seems like the general rule is, though,

there's those categories, and if you kind of play this part, like, for example, if's always small exceptions. It seems like the general rule is, though, there's those categories, and if you kind of play this part, like, for example, if you were playing a supportive wife and the film is good, your chances in Best Supporting Actress look very good. Yeah.

Right, right. But there was Ellen Burstyn in the 70s was nominated for playing the mother of Regan in The Exorcist. Yes, right, right, right. For Best Actress. And Carrie, Piper Laurie and Sissy Spacek

were nominated as well. And yeah, they did. Sissy. And also Robert Shaw. Sissy's never won. Robert Shaw for Justice. No, she has. She won for Coal Miner's Daughter.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. We're screaming at that. Sissy never won. No, she did. Coal Miner's Daughter. It's such a thing that we have us gay assistants

at this end. We have knowledge of this award. And women. It's about women and their awards have us gay assistants and we can't acknowledge of this award. And women. It's about women and their awards. I don't care about the men. We don't care about the men with the awards they wore. We're like, the women and their, oh, give them a statue. Yes, they need it. I want to stand them. I want to see them stand and hold it high.

I know, but I love it. Prior guests, friends of the show, John Early-Cole did an interview for Cakepoint. Never heard of them. They sound like trash. They don't sound talented. Hacks. Both of them Early Cole did an interview for Cake Boy Magazine never heard of them they sound like trash they don't sound talented hacks hacks both of them

they did an interview in Cake Boy Magazine which is like a Brooklyn queer magazine talking about like why women like why is it exclusively women

should we feel bad that we're only scrutinizing women but it's like no it's like but if you're gonna ask any of us about who our

favorite male actors are we're just gonna be like I don't know fucking Nicolas Cage I don't know, fucking Nicolas Cage. I know. I don't have those answers. I don't even know. I do think it's important, though, that we start the conversation as gay men about about gay men. I know that sounds really self-involved and to be like, we need more.

But we don't lift each other up like we lift. I mean, we need more. But we don't lift each other up like we lift. I mean, you're right. Thank God we lift women up because, you know, straight male cultures had to learn from us like,

hey, be nice to women. Lift them up. Celebrate them. But I, I had this moment earlier this year at an Adam Lambert concert.

I saw him as the, you know, lead singer of Queen. He's touring with Queen. Yeah, that's right. That's right. It was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. He of Queen. He's touring with Queen. Yeah, that's right. That's right. It was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen.

He's amazing. And I was like, you know what pisses me off is that in our culture, pick a gay bar. Yep. And if some fair to middling CW straight star walked into a gay bar we would be losing our minds oh my god oh my god that's so and so he was on three episodes of you know fill in the blank if Adam Lambert walked in

our reaction would be like this bitch and we should be laying down the red carpet for you know and I just think that that's something that we're not there yet we have a weirdness about accepting among our own royalty I mean and again like just celebrate

what the gay men are doing too. Are you going to quote someone? No I was just going to mention even with the announcement of Boys in the Band you saw a little bit of this and you saw a little bit and you know to be honest with you I guess maybe like my instinct a little bit of this. And you saw a little bit. And, you know, to be honest with you, I guess maybe, like, my instinct a little bit was to be like, those four again.

Right. But they're all amazing actors. But they're all incredibly talented. They're going to do a great fucking job. They have a theater experience already. Absolutely. You know what's fucking brilliant? They could put four gay men in that cast.

And they're all stars. And they're all going to be amazing. And that means something because you know what? Five years ago, maybe even two years ago, you know, half that cast is straight. Absolutely.

And you have these people who have all deserved it, who have all worked their ass off, who are, who are going to kill it. Yeah. I mean, I think every one of us is a little bit like, uh, why not me?

But, uh, oh my God, they're honestly some of the greatest. I mean, I saw that lineup and little bit like, ugh, why not me? But, oh my God, they're honestly some of the greatest. I mean, I saw that lineup and I was like, we're all so lucky to get to watch this. So lucky. These guys are.

I mean, I've been blown away by all of them in different ways. And I just, and yes, we're telling our stories and we're in front of people and you absolutely, we have to acknowledge that moment, but you're right. We didn't even take a moment to say, look, an all gay cast, outcast of stars in a huge Broadway show. We immediately go into, oh, these bitches again.

Of course it's them. Of course it's them. Oh, is it Ryan Murphy produced? You could have said that. And it's like, you know what? There needs to be, you know, opportunities for more and there needs to be you know opportunities for more and there needs to be you know and it's yeah it's happening but yeah

it is happening a couple things I wonder well one like yeah I had that same reaction to Boys in the Band and I feel like this just means only good things for other things because right now it's like Call Me By Your Name's gonna come out and it's like okay cool but also both of these actors are straight again um and so hopefully that'll like ripple out

into these other industries but and the second thing is i think i don't know this might seem this might not be a fair thing to say go for it but is part of that like instinct to be like that bitch like is is it is it linked to at all with what drew sort of just said just now or and i feel this way too where it's like, why not me? I feel like that's part of it, right? It might be. And it might be. I always, I feel so, I have such a weird relationship with the familiarity in our community.

Yeah. Because part of me loves it. Part of me loves that I can go into a gay bar and if people know who i am and what i do i'm approachable if they tell me they like what i do it makes my night it's like so great i love it and i love that like i'm here i got here yesterday and i went to julius and somebody came up and was like i like your podcast and we talked for a minute and it was like immediately like i was like you know um and if you know, I feel like I that is that is I always want to be able to have that relationship. And I love that. And I feel like if I don't know, like if I was like a movie star or something, somebody might look across the room and go, oh, I can't go talk to him.

He's too big. You know, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I do think that with that comes the next person to come up and immediately go into this kind of bitchy familiarity that I'm like, oh, you haven't earned that. You know, and I and it's I don't have an answer for that. But it's it always sometimes I can get my feelings hurt by a stranger who was genuinely trying to compliment me. Yeah.

But also, I mean, I play a lot of horrible asshole characters. And so I think people think like oh I'm gonna come up and just say the bitchiest thing and you'll find it hilarious and I'm like no I'll just start sobbing that's that's me but um or I'll just get weird and have to shut down and start talking too much and run away but um so I know it's like a thing where we are very yeah I think we feel very close to it. And also like every gay person's invited to every gay thing, like just at parties.

And we, so we see each other, you know, it's not, it's not, you know, uh, weird to see famous gay people at,

you know, out at bars and at parties and, because we're all like in the world together. Sure. Sure. So you do feel a little bit like, Oh, I know this bitch.

Yeah. So some of that's not terrible. Right. Totally think it's like and again i would never uh you know what i was saying earlier about like you know like someone walking in and be like don't ever go up and talk to them it's like yeah it's it's wonderful when people come up and say something nice and support but i do think there is still part of us where we think you know we think there's a glass ceiling and we think we have our we you, you know, I have a, we have our gay thing. And then our goal is to ultimately be with the straights. Our goal is ultimately to be accepted by straight culture and straight culture.

At least the straight people that I know and care about love us and don't care and don't at all look at us that way. They don't categorize us that way. We categorize us that way. And I think that's something that's very important for us to all look at us that way. They don't categorize us that way. We categorize us that way. And I think that's something that's very important for us to not look at straight people and say, oh, you're because, yeah, they're always going to be horrible, homophobic people. But we don't know those. We don't hang out with those people.

Let's be honest. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our straight friends are like the first ones to like embrace and include and accept who we are and what we're about and not categorize us as their gay friend just like we're taught like don't talk about your black friend you know i mean it's this it's they're taught in the same sort of vernacular like see them as a person right but sometimes in our own culture we see we kind of we bottle each other up because you feel entitled to that attack yes you know what i mean like if, they're part of me, so I can judge them, honey.

Like I know where they come from. And so I'm going to read them to filth. And there's, and, and it's really what it is, is you feel that there's only so many spots. Yes. Or it's that there's some element of, I'll say, just cause from firsthand experience, I'll say some element of self-loathing some element of well there's this shared experience that we start off at anyway and that i can sort of i i've earned the right when

you haven't to right right because i you know you're so i wow you've really touched on something i feel like gay gay culture hasn't really recalibrated to this like socialization it's like yeah like okay so joel and i'm uh our friend my friend joel and i just did a show in philly i just came back today and you know we were out at the the bars last night it was really fun philly has a very nice what i'll say with no pejorative at all unpretentious gay nightlife scene so welcoming so fun so nice for everybody um but people come people came to the show and then uh we ran into into some people afterwards at the bars and they would come up and be like, or even just tweet at us things like, do you two fuck each other?

Or is that like, just, they would just say these really offhand things. And I'm like, and I think, I don't know if that's in that same neighborhood of like people. Because you're this, because you're Asian? I don't know. Because they're like, do you guys fuck each other? Because that would be like my masturbation, like that would be my masturbation fantasy for sure. Like, just, you're like, what? Fetishism.

Right. I mean, yeah, problematic on a lot of levels. But just, like, you. Also, like, two comedians I know and love. Right, right. All this weird, how strange. It's like, what a weird thing to just sort of lead with. And then, you know, you sort of have to be like,

okay, I don't know. Like one great that you feel familiar enough with us to say, well, not great, but like you feel familiar enough, enough with us to say that thing. And then,

but on the other side of that, it's like, oh, but how inappropriate, like you haven't earned that. I mean, no one ever does. They don't,

obviously don't know how to communicate. Maybe that's, so that's like, that's like a little bit of a toxic thing. But I think it is a little bit of both. It's I'm jealous and I don't know how to deal with that. And also, also, I feel super familiar with you just because we have this thing in common. And I don't have that with a lot of people maybe. And so I think you're going to get it.

And specifically, I also think and you you touch on this a little bit as well but with that cast there's a little bit of like a beauty standard oh sure which we don't talk about a lot which is because you don't get there because the first thing you say is like well there's not enough gays obviously or of course them but then when you start looking at the cast and you know people have called Ryan Murphy out on this a little bit he certainly has like a type that he hoists to the front sure and so you look at that cast and you're like oh god like that's the bar um and it can feel very far away but again that's just us getting i guess a little bit of a taste of what women get all the time i think the thing for us

all to keep in mind is this is only going to open doors. Exactly. It's only going to bring, first of all, millions of people to see this story that they didn't know before. And it's going to inspire smaller productions of this play. And then it's going to open up other opportunities for completely different shows, completely different films, pieces, work. It's just an added, it's just adding. It's not detracting. Yep.

Right. And so, and it doesn't mean because you're not in the boys in the band with Ryan Murphy that you don't matter. Yeah, exactly. That was your time. That was your chance. Yeah. But I do think we all all have there was a part of

you know even to be totally honest to admit when i saw that i was like oh man i want to be there with you know yeah and you're like that makes no sense like relax like because i am ultimately so thrilled and so happy but i think we all have that collective feeling totally i'm just being totally you know it's like ultimately it's like it was, it's a wonderful thing and it's, because it's like, no, this just means

that they're making it possible for you to have a voice as well. Right. You know, they're finding a place at the table for you as well. And look,

and you're already so close to that table and you're at this other great table, like equally great table. I'm at table 19. Table 19 by the Duplass brothers. And June Squibb.

It's table number 23. Enjoy the table you're at. Especially if June Squibb is at that table, too. Oh, my God. I tapped in. You tapped in. My mom fucking loved table 19, And she saw it on the plane We have to take a quick break

We're going to talk about bright colors and bold patterns Of course the Chloe videos And so much more you stupid bitch Alright bye Hold on we'll be right back Ooh Matt I'm so excited for our next I don't think so honey live Back to basics I mean we've just been through the cult war Ooh, Matt, I'm so excited for our next I Don't Think So Honey Live. I'm very excited.

Back to basics. Back to basics. I mean, we've just been through the cult war, which really has us, you know, battered and bruised. But we are ready to bring back the love fest, the cathartic moment that is I Don't Think So Honey. And this cast. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We've been trying to get some of them for a while. Yes, and can you believe after three shows, even after two shows, the star power is still strong.

And not for nothing, but these are going to be 50 people that have never done the live show before. So if you thought we only knew 100 people, bitch, no, there's 50 more in our little black book.

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okay oh my god we're back with drew um amazing first half let's get into his show. Can we call it a play? Yes. I mean, please. I mean. I loved it. That's the title of another play. Let's call it a play. Ew.

That sounds like a Noel Coward. Like, we can't come up with it. We have a couple ideas. We'll call it, let's call it a play. Let's call it a play. I was in a horrible, like, reading of a play, like, years ago. And they came to us with, like, a list of titles. And they were all like that. It was like generic the boy can't stand it and it was just all

like it was just all these horrible like it's like in um what's new pussycat in uh in uh all about eve like the plays that betty davis is in she's like aged in wood and you're like i want to go see a play called aged in wood thank you and it's like written on the stars or just one of these titles you're just like this means absolutely nothing i feel like before we continue any further i have to ask for your feedback on feud i really feel you you watched me here's the thing i love that it existed yeah i'm not even being political i'm so glad that something yeah not the Mommy Dearest perception of Joan Crawford.

Why can't I come up with her name? Who? Because that was just a bold-faced lie. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Mommy Dearest is a drag show. It is kabuki theater. It's insanity. It's insanity.

Yeah. And it's like, I can't believe that Joan Crawford was a warm tender you know lovely woman she was not Diane Wiest okay no one is there's only one and that's Diane

that's rule number 100 in sex and culture there's only one Diane Wiest and that's Diane fucking Wiest yes but she was a tough woman who was in a tough business and she had to climb and crawl. Talk about clean.

Talk about clean. That's Joan Crawford. So I love that the show really humanized her. And I thought Jessica Lange did an amazing job of humanizing her and not really doing an impression of her. I thought Susan Sarandon looked exactly like Betty Davis but had zero fire and zero music.

I'll say it. Also given, you know, in the world, you know, eat a dick, Susan. Sorry. Bye. But like, but I was so upset by her Betty Davis because I was like, that is the easiest thing to do. And I know you don't want to do a drag performance, but it was like, you're not even trying anything. She only went there. She only went like 60 percent there and it was if that and it

was just this kind of tired I don't want to be here I'm like Betty Davis was never tired no Betty Davis is is dead and and still awake like she's still chewing at the at the earth around her Betty Davis is is so vital yeah and to play her like that and I just felt like I was just the whole time I was like watching her look like that and then well they reenacted scenes from Baby Jane that weren't like that I was like we know the movie so at least

at least do them when they were like on camera. Betty Davis is practically screaming in Baby Jane. And I also just think like the reason why I know you want to bring people make people real and humanize them but a star is a star especially from that era

and they were over the top. Right. That was their reality. That was their truth. Yeah. So to have them like that I was just so I was frustrated with it

to be quite honest. That's a great answer. However I watched the whole thing and I totally would watch another one. Yeah. A hundred percent. Because I love what he does and thank God for making that.

Yes. I will say i really enjoyed susan stranded in the quieter moments like like in the final episode in the behind the scenes quote-unquote moments where you you didn't have betty performing as betty because i agree it didn't match the reality of her right um i thought she she acted the scenes well opposite jessica when they were getting real you You know what I mean? I also don't think she was given too much. Like, I think she had the Oscars episode where she really had a lot to do,

but then the rest of it was kind of like very much the Jessica show. Yeah. But it was funny because the big moments that were supposed to be these, like, incomparable Betty moments, like when she walks onto the set for the first time in character as baby Jane, I was like, that was supposed to feel bigger than it was. That was supposed to be a moment. Yeah.

Yeah. You can feel the direction doing something for Susan. The scenes with Kiernan Shipka, I felt like we're just like. What's your verdict on Kiernan Shipka? She's fine. I'm saying, no, but I'm saying Susan Sarandon acting opposite Kiernan Shipka. No, I know, but I'm asking, what's your verdict on Kiernan Shipka? she's fine, I'm saying Susan Sarandon acting opposite Kiernan Shipka no I know but I'm asking what are your thoughts on Kiernan do we have to have thoughts on Kiernan Shipka?

I think we do and you know what else cause they fucking won't stop shoving Millie Bobby Brown down our throats now she's goddamn ubiquitous I'm gonna save that for the end of the episode if you know what I mean I agree with you. That's a great

assessment. And you and Aaron Jackson, do you know Aaron? He's a great New York comedian. Why do I know? I feel like I do. He's on the opposition that show on Comedy Central now. He's a wonderful, wonderful person. He's another scholar of Betty. You guys should have an amazing conversation.

We were in a good convo about that. Sorry, my show. I got off track and I'm like here to talk about my show. It's so good good convo about that. Totally. Okay, let's talk about... Okay, sorry. My show. I got off track and I'm like, I'm here to talk about my show. It's so good. Thank you, honey. Thank you. And it's definitely more of a play

than if you saw it at Ars Nova. Right. It's more of a cabaret form and now it's a play. It's set on the night before a gay wedding in Palm Springs. I'm playing a character who's going through it.

Jerry? Gary. Gary. in Palm Springs. I'm playing a character who's going through it in a real crisis. Gary. Gary. And he's going through a real crisis the night before. One of the grooms is one of his best friends

from college. He's marrying somebody that he doesn't really approve of. And he's going to basically party and hold court and wreak havoc

and ruin things the night before the wedding. Yeah. So I'm talking to pool furniture and chairs as if there are other people on stage with me. And just, God, it's, I don't know. And this is just a very superficial assessment, but the way, and this is even back in Arznova, and that's why, and forgive me for questioning the existence existentially,

if I should call it a play or whatever, because even in that space, you just like just spatially it just was so it was just so god i'm having such trouble finding the words but it was just so um so compelling for to watch you it was it was just so good it's so it's really fun to do i believe i have other people out there my my first director on the show when i was, when I was writing, put it together, Molly Prather in LA had me, had me rehearsed with real people.

So I rehearsed as if there were real people on stage and that, that, that was unbelievable. And she also really helped with the writing. And then in this, this iteration, Michael Urie is directing. I don't know if we mentioned that.

I think we did earlier. Maybe. I don't know. And just name him as much as we can on this episode. Michael. You need Michael. Michael Urie. Hello.

And so anyway, he has done this amazing job of fleshing it into a play, into a production. Very cool. And also given me so much advice as someone who's done a lot of solo shows himself and also just an incredible director. Like he gave, he had a thought about a huge chunk of the piece last week when I was doing it in LA and said, try it this way and had a whole different way of trying a whole section. And I think it's better than it's ever been. And I didn't got to tell him yesterday when I saw him, I was like,

it's working better than ever in this one section because your insight. So he's constantly working on it about try this and play it this way. And he's just, you know, he's incredible. And so, but yeah, it's every night's a party and it feels like I'm up there with people and it feels different every night.

And it's just me up there, you know, getting really hammered and just, you know, just going for it and swinging. Swinging high. In a real way? By the end of the show, are you a little tipsy? I wish. I wish I could. Swinging high. In a real way? By the end of the show, are you a little tipsy? I wish.

I wish I could. Some people can. Well, I mean, I take it as a compliment when people think I'm really getting hammered up there, but I was like, there's no way. I do have a 75-minute play

in my head. You know what I mean? I can't sit up there and get like just, I mean, can you imagine the sheer narcissism slash alcoholism

of just being like, I'm going to pay money. I'm going to get really hammered, and then I'm going to say things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No responsibility for me. No, it's a bit scripted. Totally. And it ends in such, like, and maybe this has changed since, like, the last iteration that I saw, but it ends in such a, just like a really sobering place, I feel. Would you say that's still true? Yeah, it ends, it's so, it's...

I don't want to spoil too much. It's the course of a night before the wedding, and it just gets real messy. And the kernel of truth that I think you try to hit is with, like, equality, let's say, or with, you know, parity or assimilation into this, you know, culture of just, like, okay, let's try like, OK, let's

try to like have equality in the same way that straight people live through their lives. Like, what are we sort of losing in that? And what are we gaining from participating in it? Absolutely. And I and I really don't have an answer for that. But I wanted to raise those questions. And I really wanted to say not only what are we losing, but what do we have? What do we stand to lose? Exactly.

Because, you know, you have gay kids coming out younger and younger, which is obviously a wonderful thing. And parents that are more and more supportive. The backlash is you have a lot of gay kids saying, I don't need to learn about my history. I don't need to. And I'm not like that gay guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not like this. I'm, quote this. I'm quote unquote normal. And, you know, my sort of argument is normal is boring and be bright and be bold and be out there and don't lose that. And you can have it all.

And we should have it all. You know, like it's not a trade off to have equality, to also say I can't be queer anymore. And I think my play is as I've done it more. It's more about queerness. Yes. Than it is about equality. It's about keeping that. And, you know,

and I'm actually playing a character who is, who thinks he knows everything, who ends up learning himself from the younger character in the show a lot, I think. And, you know, so I wanted to just raise a lot of these questions that I wanted very much to sort of make us remember like that. This is not also I feel like the second that marriage became, you know, legal, it was as if our culture told us that we all had to want that.

And that was the answer for all of us, because now every gay magazine has a wedding section and, you know, and that was the thing that I was just like, this is crazy because I kind of grew up never thinking this would happen. Right. And that's not healthy either, of course. And I ultimately would love to get married and I would love to, to, you know,

to settle down and have a husband and, and, you know, but there's also part of me that's like loves being single and I've seen the benefits of, you know, of, you know,

on both sides. And I think there's no right answer for anybody. Well, that's the thing. It's like marriage is sort of noxious in that same way that it is in straight culture. Absolutely. And the coolest thing is when,

you know, when, when I did it last year, having people, uh, cause you know, once I started doing the play for people, because, you know, once I started doing the play for audiences outside of,

you know, necessarily the gay community and a lot of older people were coming and I had an older couple come up to me after the show and they were like, our friends got terrible

when they got married too. And they were, it was this old straight couple, you know, and they wanted to talk about marriage. So, you know, I love the, you know,

the conversations that it elicits at the end and I wanted to play somebody who I also wanted to make our audiences see this gay guy because we don't see this guy we write and to what we were

talking about earlier we write really idealized we want to see beautiful gay people on TV we want to see straight acting whatever that means but we know what it means gay people on TV We want to see beautiful gay people on TV. We want to see straight acting, whatever that means, but we know what it means, gay people on TV. We want to see sassy gay people on TV who aren't at all dangerous. And I wanted to write

that big, loud nightmare that we're afraid of being, that we maybe have been at times, that we definitely all know. And that's why I purposely made it a solo show because I could have easily cast actors in the role but I was like if you have to just look at this guy you're trapped at a party

with this guy you know what's amazing is and even like calling him a loud gay guy is just too is not is doing a disservice because it's a loud gay guy who is like reckoning with himself and that is that's the whole sort of arc of the play and yeah it's it's just fantastic

it's so good. Well thank you. I mean I just I also I wanted to write my dream role and a lot of it is me a lot of it has me in it and a lot of it is not me at all and it's fun to sort of play with the line in between those things a lot of the facts

are completely made up and a lot of the stories are I lived every second of them that are in there. And then, um, you know, but I also, it was like, I love who's afraid of Virginia Woolf.

I love, you know, I love what the, you know, the, the, the, the big drunk,

I'm going to tell you the truth. August Osage County. I love that stuff. And I'm like, I want to write that part for myself. That's like any good solo show or any good one man or one woman show it's half based in real truth and half aspirational this is what I what I wrote for myself to get out of this experience I always thought you know I remember uh reading about how to write there's a a playwright Jose

Rivera who's a genius and he wrote uh as um I have to say he's a friend it'd be weird if he ever man have you heard this and he's like why didn't he say you know me anyway he's amazing but he wrote he wrote uh something for American theater about like rules of writing a play and the one thing I remember the most was you need to have one thing in the play that's unbelievable have one thing in the play that people go I can't believe that have one magical piece and I have mine in the show and after you see that, there's one thing that I'm like, that's actually technically impossible.

And, but that's my like, because I was like, I want some things in there that you're like, that can't be true. Right. And then I want other things in there that are like,

that's, of course that's true. Yes. And then I want people to not know in between. And that's what, I mean, that's what I enjoy watching. So I also, I just made something that I would want to go watch. Yes.

Well, that's the thing that I, I think that's the thing that I love about this play is that it's so grounded. It's, it lives in realism, but it is, it's so fun. You somehow managed to not make that boring. Like it's still so fun and carbonated and all this great stuff. Am I, okay. Am I making this up did you have a line about do you still have that line about Gene Triplehorn

did you ever have a line about Gene Triplehorn in it not in that okay never mind I don't think ever that's a Chloe video I mentioned Gene Triplehorn in a Chloe video thank god because just hearing the name Gene Triplehorn isn't that amazing I remember when

excuse me when basic instinct came out and i saw the opening credits and it was like gene triple horn what a god damn name and i loved her immediately just based on that name what does that even triple even in a movie with a name like sharon stone yeah yeah sorry sorry sharon truly oh my god now could it be the gene triple horn connection and uh big love that that connected us to chloe and that is oh i want to know i want to know because these really these were game changers for us watching it when we first discovered your Chloe videos. What is it about Chloe Sevigny? Like, take us through.

Well, it started because I realized I looked like her. And I looked in the mirror and I was like, I look like Chloe Sevigny. And I also was obsessed. And it was like when her first indie movie started to come out, I was in college. I'm just a few years younger than her. And so she was starting to hit in her early 20s when I was in my late teens. And I was just always following her

and I was fascinated by her world. And I grew up in a small town in North Carolina and I was reading Interview Magazine and Time Out and everything. I was obsessed with New York and LA culture and I had none of it at my fingertips. And this was back in the 90s, magazine. So, she represented the coolest downtown culture.

I was like, wherever she was, was where the party was. And so, she was just kind of always somebody that I knew who she know and then it just sort of it was this perfect storm when I was doing a sketch show 15 years ago yeah and I looked in the mirror I said I look like this actress Chloe Sevigny I knew exactly who she was right I put her up on stage I was in it I was in a gay sketch comedy troupe called the deviants in in 2002 and our director um hated it he was like this is this he was like what is this and who is she and then i showed him a picture of chloe 70 and he's like

well you don't really look like her and he was like oh my god and i was like and i was name dropping all these things because i'd read an interview with her where she was name dropping all this stuff and i was like no one gets these references and i think that's the point yeah the point is not like for you to really be impressed. It's for you to not even know the ether that you're, that you're sniffing. It's like, you don't even know this flavor.

And so I was like, that is so fascinating to me and funny. And I also was at the same time reading Bredy Stenellis. I was reading American Psycho and Glamorama. And I, I've ripped off of Bredy Stenellis horribly as a writer. That's such a funny. Cause it's Bredy Snell it's the way

he would write his books and I was reading and so I was just like what about just list comedy where you just list it and there's no emotion attached to it whatsoever did you have fun at the party yes because so and so so and so and so and so were there we ate the following things then we you know this is what we were wearing and then it was over and you're like you didn't

describe a single emotional human experience. It's just status. And that's it. And that was just funny to me because I was like, that's so crazy. So I put it up on stage.

It bombed so badly. Oh my God. I got zero laughs. I had the driest mouth. I remember how dry my mouth was and how embarrassed I was to get up and do it. Oh my God.

And no one was laughing and I was saying and I was referencing things and I was saying Tilda Swinton and I was to get up and do it. Oh my God. And no one was laughing and I was saying and I was referencing things and I was saying Tilda Swinton and I was referencing like Batcave and all these like weird, you know, you know, New York places that are no longer here. And I insisted on doing it the next week

in the show and my director was like, we're pulling it Drew. It was the biggest bomb. Drew, you have so many other things and this was so and I go, please let me try it one more time. And I don't know why I jumped in the fire a second time and it went well the second time. It did. And I never knew. Until the videos came out, I never knew if it was going to, it would either be one or the other.

It would never go medium. It would either kill or it would die. And there was no in between. And then Jim Hansen, my friend years ago was like, you know Jim, yes. And he was like, I want to make these into videos. And then that's when they really just took off. And I resisted it for

so long because I was like, I'm not a drag queen. This is a bit, this is a one off thing. It sometimes goes well it sometimes doesn't go well. I didn't want to do it for so long. And you wanted on your own terms to be like, I don't necessarily want to be known for this specific thing.

Right, I had no interest in that happening. And then when it did, thank God it did because I had no, it was my entrance into the world, as they say, but thank God for the internet and thank God for Jim Hansen and saying these need to be videos because that's how I got to do so many other things. And to this day, and now I'm really proud of it.

And I'm very, it's something that I'm very touched if people, I can't believe people still watch them because it's like YouTube and you're like, don't things go away on YouTube? You know, it's like, but it really, it makes my day when people say that they like them. It holds up too. It holds up so well. It holds up. Like what other video from like that long ago,

like can you still watch and be like, this is still funny, you know what I mean? All the like big sketch videos of that time, it's like you watch them now and you're like,

oh God, there's like something shitty about them or like revelation that they're problematic in some way. Oh right, oh right,

I can't wait to find when Chloe becomes problematic. I don't know if it will for a while. It, right. I can't wait to find out when Chloe becomes problematic. I don't know if it will for a while. It never will. It can't. I'll fight that to the death. No, the fact that you, the fact that Brett Easton Ellis

is like that, that sort of formal inspiration of just like list comedy is so enlightening. And I, because I just have been so curious to know what has, what's been the well of specifics and like almost non sequiturs for, for, for those videos where it's like, appreciate like, like things like, um, uh, appreciate the casual arrogance of Tuesday.

Well, how, how do you come like that stayed with me? That string, that sequence of words has stayed with me for like that long. And like, part of me is like, there's a real disgusting part of me that can slide into that too easily. Oh yeah, I love it. Like I can read something and just, and I, you know, I love reading food reviews. Like that's a real inspiration.

I read the LA Weekly as a, and I'm Village Voice, you guys get, you know, it's the same. Sure, sure, sure. But the way they will describe a meal that sounds so disgusting, and yet it's like high end, and I've always loved, you know, words are really important to me. And also names.

Anybody that has an offbeat name that sounds like Gene Triplehorn. Gene Triplehorn, Harmony Corrine. Kiernan Shipka. Harmony Corrine. Yeah, exactly. And so you have a name like that, and I'm like, that's interesting. So I sort of, you know, and a lot of it is just, a lot of it was when Jim and I would get together and we would just sit and we would sound out with like, what sounds good?

I was like, I'm going to say this to you. And what is it? How does it scan? Yeah. Yeah. Because there's some names that are like, that doesn't sound as much of a punch as when you say, you know, so it's a lot of trial and error. And then that's a linguistic thing.

The best is when like years later you'd hear the name and you'd find out who they were like tinsley mortimer's now a cast member on real housewives and i was like i literally sat the studio i was like tinsley mortimer tell me about what that person is because that's a thing from my past i have to have confirmed but tinsley mortimer and her plus one. Yeah. That was just something from the fucking like back annals of my mind. Yeah. But I, you know, I think we also,

I think it's beyond because I'm, I'm very like, I make a point because I don't like when people want to trash the real Chloe 70 to me. Cause I'm like, Oh no, she's great. And also she, she like,

she's Chloe. She's unique. She's awesome. Absolutely. And talented. But I, she is. And I think, but I think my character is the kind of, we all know that person. And I think what also, what happened for me, luck-wise, like timing-wise, was that we started

to get that hipster culture, started to come up. And we all knew that person at the party who was name dropping who they were whatever i mean you know and i was you know in a few years after i was doing it um you know stefan showed up on snl and that was like bill hater's character which is so funny and it's like i think people just start to realize like that we just know that type of person yes whereas it didn't maybe we're not in this form but I think with Chloe, like, I think you gave us like a mental model for like,

how to poke fun at that in like a, like a comedic way. Cause I feel like, We all know that socialite, that like in, like in the Great Gatsby, what's her,

is it Jordan Baker? The one that's just at the party and always just like, The one who gets hit by the car? The one who dies? The one who Gatsby hits? I think that's Myrtle. I think Myrtle gets hit by the car.

That's Myrtle, yeah, yeah. Oh God, we're going deep. We're going back to Great to great gatsby i feel like but i and i don't know if this is if this is fair to say for you but i feel like and i don't mean for this to sound like super like whatever uh cloying i'll say again but for me it's informed a lot of my sensibility definitely because like you know we'll do characters that are just like, I'll be like, you know what, I'm going to fucking write, I'm going to do,

I'm going to write, quote unquote, a Michiko Kakutani impression, quote unquote. And it's just like her, it's, she's really,

like she has this voice, it's like not, like what is a Michiko Kakutani impression? But it's her just like shitting on all these authors and like the specificity, like the more obscure the author is,

the funnier it is and I was like oh but I've seen this be successful before with the Chloe videos oh wow honestly yeah I think we watched

those videos in a time where we were starting to find our developing developing and it was very helpful it was a big inspiration

on us and I think a lot of gay comics and also like our straight friends who get it yeah they get it when someone gets it they get it I have a question have you comics and also like our straight friends who get it. Yeah. They get it.

They get it. When someone gets it. They get it. I have a question. Have you ever spoken with Chloe Seveny? I have. I met her years ago at a party and it was one of those things I walked in the door and I had no idea she was going to be there.

Oh my God. And I got super nervous because I realized I had never thought of what I would say to her had I met her. Sure. And I felt like I have to say something, but I don't know what I realized I had never thought of what I would say to her had I met her. Sure. And I felt like I have to say something, but I don't know what I'm going to say. She was really nice. It was super weird. I got out of there really quickly because I didn't want her to think I was studying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I didn't want to make her uncomfortable. She since did an interview. I did a couple. They talked about me later and said that she met me. She was so nervous to meet me and all this stuff. And like he thought I hate it. I'm like, I don't.

Here's the thing. I am. That's why I always will say I'm an actor before I'm a comedian. Yeah. And not from any place other than I. I really like I don't enjoy. It implies people. Yeah.

Yes. And I and I and I and i will own the fact i mean you know i'm i'm my very first video i make a really shitty dig at natasha leone that i'm not proud of and people you know whatever and i don't like that i didn't know that when the videos were gonna happen they were gonna be so big i had no clue it was the thing i was doing on stage yep yep yep and not to i'm not to give myself not to be so big. I had no clue. It was the thing I was doing on stage. Yep, yep, yep. And not to give myself, not to be like, I'm a victim in this, but I do feel

bad. And a lot of people have said, don't feel bad. It's funny. It's a joke. And I'm like, it's just not where I come from. I don't come from a place of like, I want to, you know, like, punch somebody when they're down. And Natasha Lyonne was in a really bad place and I made a personal dig at her and I don't feel good about that.

And I love Natasha Lyonne. She's fucking amazing. Yeah, she truly is. And so when Khloe started to take off, I was like – and also it was more interesting to me to create my entire own universe. Right. And so it was like – It's sort of divorced from who she is. You know, in my video, it It's like Chloe goes to the moon

Yeah You know Chloe you know Discovered she has grandparents Yeah You know it's like It's not the real Chloe And so it's like

And that to me Is so much more free It is And so I never want to So when I meet the real person I'm like I feel like I don't want to make them

Uncomfortable I was also like Other people coming up And watching us And taking pictures of us, I'm like, it's putting her on the spot. I've been asked to do so many things that I've turned down because I'm like, I mean, I got asked one time by someone on a movie she was in to ambush her on the red carpet at an opening night of her movie.

Oh, no. And I was like, I would never do that. First of all, I'm good with what I'm doing. I'm doing other stuff. So I'm not so desperate to do that. And also, on a human level, I would never do that to somebody. That is horrible. And I said, if I hear from her that she signed off on it, I'll do a bit with her.

And of course, they never called me back because they're like, yeah, no, that's not the point. And it's like this, you know, these are some really, some real bottom feeders in here.

I'm like, I would never be on the side of like, you know, paparazzi and trying to make her, cause it's like, that is so not what I'm about. It's so much, it's just so much more playful.

And, and, um, you know, and, and I don't know. It's like, I don't,

I don't want to be like, the way you're talking about this makes it sound like i mean no you are you are putting more thought and consideration into that treatment than you're you're putting the exact i mean no i'm just saying like you are that's untouchable you can't really like poke holes in that and be like well she it is she is she is it is a little bit of a like a no it's not about her it's a character it's not and it is it's like about the culture it's about the world of the and and also like you know hey it's like we you know

we we do what we do I just I want to be responsible for what I create and not for like tearing somebody else down no that's not the intent of it it's like I want to be like please feel free to be like, it's, you know, if you don't like it or you think it's dumb or whatever, fine.

But I don't want it to be like, I'm out for blood. Also, there are so many villains in the world. So many villains. Chloe's 70 is not one. You know what I mean? Like, come on. You've never even punched up or down

or even like in any direction. Or all around. Or all around. It's just so... I'll punch while. Punch direction. Or all around. Or all around. It's just so- Oh, punch while. Punch while. No, punching while. No, that's like also impersonation.

You know what I mean? It's like no one's, unless you're out there doing like a fucking, and you're an impressionist nailing who this person is at their core, that's like what comedic impersonation is. It's like referencing the person, making a choice,

whether it has actually something to do with them or not. It't really matter it's a reference i'm not a good impressionist like i always i mean i studied the groundlings and they were really big into like get an idea from their point of view and play a character based on their perspective and i always liked that and i was like that's what i can do and that's that's more free and fun to me than doing a dead-on impression that's like you know but when I have played people like I mean I did for a while I was doing Ann Coulter and I hated it yeah I

I really don't want to do it anymore because I was like she's awful yeah and the second I come out it's like I get a laugh because it's like oh I walk out on stage it's like it's a man in drag and it's Ann Coulter the second I open my mouth the audience is like oh go away yeah you man in drag and it's Ann Coulter. The second I open my mouth, the audience is like, oh, go away. Yeah.

You suck. You know, and it's just no fun. And I'm like, it's different, you know? So, yeah. Yeah. One thing that I still remember from that workshop that my friend Billy and I took. Oh, my God. I love that you were in that workshop.

I know. It was great. And you really did. You guys were very sweet coming up afterwards. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We took. I don't remember talking about Jerry Blank, though. We did.

You brought up Jerry Bl blank as an example of and this is what you said and this is what i wanted to bring up is that like your favorite characters and i feel like we both agree matt and i both agree your favorite characters are people who are like not totally self-aware of their limitations yes yes like with like jerry for example thinking she's like some sexual goddess yes and you know and that's not necessarily the case I mean she's a sexual being for sure but like it's just the part of the you don't have to like just I know I know I know

I'm sure she'd be attracted to some people she's a human being she has I mean sometimes I don't know people I'm gonna start over humanity is no no it is it's true yeah that's to me was that was something that I excuse me, I also learned at the Groundlings was that unawareness was their comedic flaw.

Right. Was the thing that they don't know about. Yeah. And you play up on that because they see themselves one way and the audience sees them another way. Yeah. And you can't really judge them when you're playing them because then they become unlikable. They become mean. They become evil. They're not fun to play when you're like

you know um yeah so yeah it's that it's it's always like finding that thing in the character and go well how did they see themselves versus how the rest of them see them and you can feel as a performer too when you're doing the character when you feel disconnected from it or not and that usually does have to do with the idea of like am i actually playing their truth or not like you can be fucking horrible as long as you're playing their truth that you could feel good i i just i recently i've been playing paul ryan like an aversion of paul ryan yes and um i'll read the script and i'll be like yeah it's good it's good it's good and then sometimes i'll perform it and i'll be like oh this part actually feels a little sad or mean and then like you have to reconcile especially when you're playing a real person

when there's real stakes for people yes it can be sometimes hard when you're living in new york or la and you make a joke about how you know paul ryan's like uh his tax plan will like really hurt people and they'll have to like work three jobs and like not be able to drive because of their cataracts in their eyes and they don't have health care and you're fucking cracking up about it in new york and then like you realize this is gonna hit people in a certain place and you're like holy shit wow this doesn't feel great right exactly so it's and also like comedically you're like what is the thing about paul ryan that is even driving that right you know does he find himself so hot or like it's vanity and vanity yeah i would i would guess that rude and privilege and vanity so when you have that and maybe how

like i'm doing everyone a favor and uh you're welcome yeah you know uh then that's that's where the fun part comes in because then we can all go oh wow because we can laugh at the human thing about him yes when it's the monstrous thing about him you're like wow that's monstrous and then you're just commenting then you're just preaching in the choir and you're not really being a comedian as much as you're being like you know a rabble rouser and going well we all agree like he's terrible like you know and then it's like finding the thing where you go oh wow that's so there's a glimpse yeah yeah yeah wow character workshop from drew drogey no but it's really fascinating too.

It's like when you watch Saturday Night Live now, the impersonations on that show that separate the good from the bad for me, I do think there's one big one that I don't love, which is Alec Baldwin's Trump. Is it's just this disgusting portrayal of a disgusting person. You're like, what?

Is there more here? It doesn't seem like there is. Yeah, it's hard. It's really hard. I think right now too, like us living in the reality show every day. Yeah.

It's hard to, I think it's hard to be separate from it and watch it. Oh, totally. Totally. But then you see a Tamminix Trump. Oh, it's genius. It's a whole other level.

It's so much better because it puts playing He's brilliant. He's genius. Truly brilliant. And it's playing a reality we whole other level it's so much better because it puts playing he's brilliant he's genius truly brilliant and it's playing a reality we don't see on SNL right

anyway I know he's Tony's amazing he's just brilliant I think it's time to move on to I Don't Think So Honey okay

so this is the moment Drew where we take one minute to rail against something in culture we should say on November 18th you guys

we are gonna have I Don't Think So Honey live at the Bell House. We have 50 comedians all lined up that you haven't seen on our live shows before. These are 50 brand new comics they're going to do in I Don't Think So Honey. It's going to be very fun at the Bell House at 10 p.m. as part of Brooklyn Podcast Festival.

Yes. So we're so excited about that. That's next week. We're going to take each of our respective minutes right now to rail against coach and i have one you have one okay let's start with matt okay matt will go then me and so drew can sort of get the sense of how this is done i love it great he'll do it himself this is matt rogers's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey all you trying to

shove millie bobby brown down our throats i don't think so honey bitch also you need to start dressing her age appropriate i saw her walk out from a talk show the other day she looked like a fucking 35 year old magazine editrix she was dressed like a fucking bitch and she is a 13 year old girl that's stranger things i don't think so honey bitch let me tell you something don't try to emma watsonize this girl just yet let's get through more than two seasons of a fucking show before we can make a commitment to this girl bitch caa come on you have her on every goddamn show she is ubiquitous honey and we need to take a breath and think do we want to do this because there might be no turning back

she's a talented girl honey but I don't think it fucking matters. Can she do more than 11? We don't know. Give her the opportunity. Yes, she is a charming guest on these talk shows. Yes, she certainly slayed a rap on Jimmy Fallon, but also why is this white bitch rapping? I don't think so, honey.

And that's one minute. Yes. Wow, bravo. I'm saying Millie Bobby Brown. Edit tricks. Edit tricks. Thank you. She looks like fucking Miranda Priestly. Oh my God.

She had little tiny glasses and a fucking yellow suit. And I was like, this bitch is 13 years old. I love that you're like over her and also want to give her a chance. You know what? It's complicated. I think it's complicated. I think both are valid. Here's the thing.

You have to let her. Let her be her. You have to let her sink into this. Sure. Throwing her out there at 13 years old, she's a massive success. I think she very nearly won that Emmy. I think very close.

I think it was a toss up actually because I thought Tandy Newton was taking that shit. And who won? I'm sorry. Supporting actress drama? I don't remember. Oh, fucking, oh my God,

why am I forgetting her name? Hulu. She said Hulu. Oh, oh, oh, god why am I forgetting her name Hulu she said Hulu oh oh oh fucking legend um um

Ann Dowd Ann Dowd Ann Dowd so you know what that makes me think because Ann Dowd I heard you said legend I was like Mia Sarah

god where am I where's my head Ann Dowd is like not a household name by any means so that makes me feel like it must have been

a very close race Ann Dowd Millie Ann Tandy I think. And Tandy. I think there were Tandy fans. I think there were Chrissy Metz fans from This Is Us.

Oh, shit. I think there were fucking Millie Bobby Brown fans and I think there were Ann Dowd fans. I think that was like a fucking race. But anyway,

Millie Bobby Brown, I'm just saying it's early to make her this A-list star. Is it, are you, is the source, is it sort of this like, it's everything Is it, are you, is the source, is it sort of this like, it's everything?

I'll tell you, the source is. It's all reaching? No, no, no, or is it like her stylist that you want to like take a picture with? No, no, no, her stylist is part of it because they're trying to dress her like this 20s ingenue. And I'm like, girl, she's 13 years old.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not, not that like we're critiquing the way they dress these people, but you know, she looks like the kind of Hollywood fashion icon. It speaks to the larger, her treatment. You brought CAA into this, I can't believe. Yes, it's the ubiquity that will, I think,

if they're not careful, affect her performances. You have to let her kind of, how much do you change between 13 and 18? You have to let her go through that. Let's not fucking Hollywood her let's not dehumanize yeah let's not let's not like do something to her which maybe

we did to you know some of these other younger actresses that didn't that got confused and you know fucked up you know what I mean let's let her if she's truly talented girl and special talent like I don't know time will tell we just have no way we have no way of knowing. You just see them separate her from the boys on the cast a lot.

You know what I mean? There's like, we got the cast of Stranger Things, and it'll be the boys. And then it's like Millie Bobby Brown is like this separate thing. And if I was the agent of the other kids, I'd be like, hold on. Actually, if she's going to be doing her own thing, my kid with the cute little gap in his teeth and the shaggy hair well he's not gonna go on this interview with the rest of them book him by

himself too he's pretty special too he's so special and an amazing singer i know his video of him singing so adorable at that karaoke when he's singing les mis is just incredible blow your part oh yeah yeah well heon Matarazzo yes Gatton Matarazzo Matarazzo what a star sure

alright that's a Chloe specific for you oh for sure Gatton Matarazzo here we go this is my turn Billy Bobby Brown

is one too fuck of course this is Bo Neng's I Don't Think So Honey his time will start now I Don't Think So Honey

people who are not equally gagged for Alfre Woodard's part in The Lion King. Yes! There are two female leads and the one who's playing the hyena, too. Sarabi! Yes. Well, no.

Sarabi. Alfre Woodard. We have not given Alfre Woodard a chance since that fucking DC show with Katherine Heigl. That was her last big thing. Am I right? Yes, honey. We need to give Alfre another chance. And I think this is so refreshing.

And you guys, we need the children have forgotten Alfre Woodard. Alfre. And she could even make season two of Desperate Housewives tolerable. 30 seconds. Betty Applewhite. Betty Applewhite, bitch. And she had that son who was violent. Matthew Applewhite.

Matthew Applewhite. She locked him in the basement. And look. It was him. That was what a campy ass season of TV that she made fun and entertaining, but still grounded in that emotion. She can she can stare at a fucking camera down the fucking barrel. And I'd be fucking shivering in my boots, shivering. You know what I mean?

Shaking in my boots. Five seconds. I can't find the words. But you know what? I have the emotion because I love Alfre Woodard and I can't wait to see her voice a lioness. That's one. She will voice a Robbie, honey. I said you're part of my tribe

if you are most geared for Elfrey Woodard. Absolutely. Have you seen Passionfish? No. Oh my God, you've got to see Passionfish. That's like classic Elfrey. John Sayles movie with Mary McDonnell. Oh my God, it's amazing.

I got it. Oh, and there's an amazing monologue. I didn't ask for the anal probe. Oh my God. People that know that will know it. There's an amazing monologue okay I didn't ask for the anal probe oh my god people that know that will know it there's an amazing monologue by a girl

you don't even see you gotta watch this movie it's great you will lose your mind let's go it was like it was the indie the 90s

everyone's like Alfie Woodard is amazing do you know the movie Heart and Souls oh yeah sure the musical Touches My Heart oh yeah I love it

I love it okay so now it's time okay mine's I mean here we go. I'm not even going to qualify. There's no right or wrong way. No, this is Drew Droege's I Don't Think So, Honey. Okay.

Time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey. And I'm not saying this as some 2007 YouTube has been. I used to be in Things That Matter. I've said three lines on New Girl. I'm the hot shit. I do shows in the basement of a fucking Mexican restaurant in LA. I've said three lines on New Girl. I'm the hot shit. I do shows in the basement of a fucking Mexican restaurant in LA.

I'm not saying at this point. But I don't think so, honey. Don't expect me to always remember you every fucking inch of the day and everywhere I go. Oh, yes. Come on. You know, I'm sorry when you go out. And I'm not saying that. I'm saying this as a human being. I don't expect anyone to remember me.

30 seconds. When I go out. So it's like, it is a thing. When you were coming up, and if I reintroduce myself, give me your goddamn name. No attitude. Don't tell me we've met. Oh, have we? Be more interesting. Here's a choice.

You know, do something. Because now I'll remember you. Bitch, now I'll remember you. From now on, we have met. And you know what? I don't think so, honey. All right. Goodbye. Wow. With seven seconds to spare, it doesn't matter and you know what I don't think so honey alright goodbye wow with seven minutes with seven seconds to spare it doesn't matter you know what the point has been made bitch cogently it's so true I get so irritated by that when people and it's like

we're out and you're like here's the thing and I'm not even saying it from a place of like I'm so important we are all every one of us is on online we're all on TV. We're all on. We're on media.

We're on media. All of us. Every single. I'm saying everyone listening to this. We're all on things. You see pictures of people on dating apps and on Facebook and Instagram, whatever. So we see each other at all different times and spaces. And also, you don't know you're in a, you know, and we cannot be.

Our brains are not wired to remember. our brains are not possible we have not evolved to that we are and so when they imply that you're being a bad person because the other thing too like there are times that i will remember meeting somebody and i'm like they're not gonna remember me so i'll reintroduce myself and they make it weird i'm like you know what that's on you i'm just let's just you're meeting them halfway yeah right honestly you were right too because you don't forget and forever those people that do that to me that are like, we've met actually, I will never forget that you acted like that. And now you don't want me to remember you in this way because now you've switched over. There's a couple people I deal with now more than I was before and they acted like that and I'll never get over it.

Can I make the argument that there is a nice way to do that though? Absolutely. I've done this before. 100%. It's like, oh, hi. Oh, actually, I think we've met before, though. Absolutely. Yeah, I think we met at this thing. It was crowded.

That is so different. There's such a different thing when you can say, you know, we met at so-and-so, so-and-so. We might have met, yeah, yeah, yeah. And at the party, and they're like, oh, it's so nice to see you again. Even if you don't remember. The thing is, it's like, it's such a dance. Every time you leave the house, can you even get it all together to leave the house? You know?

So you're going out and you're seeing people and you're just like, you know, but when they say we've met and they imply that like, you're too good. How dare you not hold it? They're like, yeah, several times.

And it's just a thing where you're like, I, I guess I'm in trouble. Also like, what do you want from me right now? Do you want to shame me from that? What is it? I think they do want to, and there's a, they, they might trouble. Also, like, what do you want from me right now? Do you want to shame me from that? I think they do want to. And they might.

And it's like, that's on them. But it's like, I don't feel bad. The takeaway is, it doesn't hurt my feelings when it happens, but you did not make me feel bad. You just were an asshole to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's, you know, it's like, I didn't go, oh, man, I need you.

Remember? Show and show. It's like, no, so i didn't go oh man i need you remember show and show it's like no so and so sucks so now i remember i think so and so yep on the set of tommy do's uh short film mask only which is which is so great which is starring bo and yang uh which drogi directed um on the set i went up to drew hi it's we were reintroduced and i I think I even just, I hope I didn't, no, my memory was. But I knew who you were, too. I don't know if I remember the USC thing, but I knew you. But I went up to you and I was like, and actually, I think my friend Billy and I took a workshop

of yours at USC years ago. So it's nice to see you again. But that's. That was lovely. I'll put myself up as an example. You did a really good job, Beau, and that was really good. I don't think so, honey. There you go.

Oh my God. Trying to gain favor. The thing is too, it's nice to remind people how you met because then it's like, you know, because it's weird if you don't sometimes and sometimes. It's something in common. But like, don't go out of your way to make a moment awkward for someone. That is just the point. Absolutely.

There's no filing system in the brain for us to keep up with all these fucking names. We've only evolved to know like 30 max names at a given time because of tribal whatever. That's culture. We've only evolved to that point. There you go. And you know and we got Gene Triplehorn.

We got Kiernan Shipka. We got too many names to memorize. Too many names. Gatan. What's his name? Gaten. Oh, Gaten Matarazzo. We need to remember that Mercedes Ruel won an Academy Award. Yes. Tuesday Weld.

Tuesday Weld. Come on. There we go. We've learned so many things this episode. Unbelievable. Drew, thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me on the show. Truly an honor for us.

Please come see the show anytime. Please come anytime you want to come see it. Absolutely, and tell the kids where they can see it. So you can go on brightcolorsandboldpatterns.com and all the info is there. It's also, we have tickets on like Today Tix and all that stuff as well, but it's at the Soho Playhouse. We open

November 12th, and we're running through January 7th, so come check us out over the holidays and... Bring mom in for Christmas Day, honey. Yes, bring mama. Christmas day. And have your mom go up to Drew after the show

and just say, we've met. Say we've met and then whine about all the gay couples that she knows. The gay married couples. Oh my God.

This has been Lost Culture East with Drew Droege. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers and this has been wonderful guys. Thank you so much.

Let's end with a song. Oh, let's end with a a song As we always do now There's Gatton and Tuesday And Tinsley And Jean And Drew Bye

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