Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Lights In The Dark" (w/ Beth Newell and Sarah Pappalardo)

Episode Date: December 23, 2016

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Yet another hiatus. As is par for the course now, we've had a very long hiatus this time. This is our longest, I think. We apologize. This was a tough one. We both did stressful things. I moved and had, count them, three apartments fall through over the last month and a half, baby. But we have figured it out.

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Guys, this is our first episode back since the world has fundamentally changed. Since democracy has had its last nail in its coffin. So, I mean, here we are. We're just going to keep talking about culture, bringing it to you every ball. Bring it to every ball. Have you found a way to see any light in the days? Yeah. This podcast called Making Oprah.

It's only three episodes long. It's already technically finished. But it's about, it's through WBEZ Chicago. It's about how Oprah was like, has evolved through the years. It's excellent. I highly recommend it to everybody. That's been my only light. What about you? Well, you know what I realized would be the light, has evolved through the years. It's excellent. I highly recommend it to everybody. That's been my only light. What about you?

Well, you know what I realized would be the light, but it's been missing. And you know what ended just right in the wrong time because we need it most right now is rude. Can you imagine at least you would have that every week? Oh, absolutely.

Like guys, poor plan. What poor planning, but guys, we have two lights with us. Lights and the dark. Lights in the darkness. Um,

they are, um, Oh my gosh, they're just such fantastic people. They're the founders and editors of the women's satirical news magazine Reductress. Yes, Reductress is amazing. You may have listened to their podcast Mouth Time

with Nicole Silverberg and Rachel Winitsky. Yes, yes. And also you may know about the show Ha Ha Wow, hosted by Nicole Silverberg, our good friend, former guest. Yes, also under the Reductress umbrella. And also, you may have read the book, girl. Oh, you may have read the book. You may have picked it up at your Barnes & Noble.

You may have shopped for it online. It's called How to Win at Feminism. Guys, get it today. It's such a fantastic book. Guys, please welcome Sarah Pappalardo and Beth Newell. Hi. We are overjoyed.

That's the best intro I've ever heard. Thank you. We got it all in, I think. I mean, it was a little Nicole Silverberg heavy for my taste. Too much. Too much. Too much Nicole. Get her out.

No, we love her. You guys, you two have been on legit podcasts with this publicity tour for the book and for the show and the pod. Mostly the book, though, right? But this is thank you so much for gracing us with your presence on this very lowly, but soon-to-be seminal podcast. I mean, let's just note that the phrase legit podcast means nothing to our mothers. Nothing to our mothers.

Honestly, the treatment you have given us so far has been above and beyond. Yeah. Can we stay here forever? Most of our press tour. Yes. I mean, there's water in front of them. There's water in front of you. How was the press tour?

It was good. It's busy. It's still ongoing? It's a busy feeling. Yeah, it's good. No, like the busy part has subsided, but we were just bouncing around a couple cities and like, you know, talking to some youths. Yeah.

We were processing our emotions around the election in real time like we were processing them like at the youth processing at the youth and youths and proselytizing the youth

exactly teaching them indoctrinating them yeah giving our our liberal agenda exactly but then it's so confusing too

because then you're there at these events and you're you're talking and that you're kind of up there with the mic and they listen to you and you're supposed to say the thing that's supposed to feel good.

And we're all still processing it. No one knows what to say or how to feel right now. So that's got to be very weird. I felt like such a freaking old woman. So we flew to LA the day after the election. So it was like as if someone broke up with you and then you were in in your pajamas and had to go to the airport to like see your family or something and you're just like i met sarah at the airport and we were just like uh yeah so we're like all right we're gonna uh we're gonna figure this out and the next day we like go to a college and talk to

some like adorable feminist group that had like just gotten back from a protest yeah and we had like a powerpoint presentation we just didn't Yeah. And we had like a PowerPoint presentation. We just didn't do it. And we're like, what? I don't know. I was just like, well,

what do we do during the Bush administration? Like we were good at this. Like we know how to do this. We just have to do it again. And these kids have like no idea how to do it yet, but they're in for a freaking ride. I mean, strap yourselves in world.

But like, I think that the act of you being there and just like being sort of on display for these people is just a very good thing in and of itself. I don't know. Yeah, showing up is like better than you are. Hopefully. If we didn't show up, like, you know,

chaos would ensue. But like really, though, like, all of us. Yeah, you go on the website and you're like, thank fucking God. Like, I was on it today and you're like thank fucking god like I was on it today and you guys are all the Lena Dunham stuff Nicole Silverberg that's Nicole like wait wait no we have to do and I'm like yeah Nicole's being smart and brilliant how annoying yeah I know she does that she's so great and truly like that Lena shit is insane. But yet again, and actually, I meant to talk to you guys about this one. Because, like, I worked with her on, like, this little digital short.

And she actually reminds me so much of, like, that friend you have that, like, sometimes says that thing and you roll your eyes and you're like, oh, my God. Like, she knows better than that. I'm sorry. You apologize for her. But yet she's the most quoted person ever. And she still just keeps going. So it's like, you must know that. Do you think she knows?

I don't think she knows. I don't think she's aware. We were talking about it in the office today. And I think like there's a level of like there's something a little bit off. Like I don't know if it's narcissism or whatever. But it's like it's almost like the type of attitude someone needs to have to break through to her level of success as the woman she is. That's a good point. And so it's like, it's what fuels her, but it's also what makes you constantly be like,

what are you doing? Yeah. Yeah. Like- Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Not to bring Nicole back into this, but Nicole, I think on her episode when she was on this

pod- We talked about the Amy Schumer interview. Well, we talked about that and we talked about, yeah, that was after the Amy Schumer interview and we were like, the people like, no, but this is unrelated. This is, we were talking about

Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears being good SNL hosts and how that is not unrelated to how troubled they are. Yeah. So it's basically that. When you exist in a vacuum of your own ability

and intelligence and talents, like, of course I can host SNL with no live performance experience. Of course you want to hear me say this thing when I'm asked this question. It's gonna be thought-provoking. She literally broke onto the scene as the voice of her generation. Ironic as that was, you know, it's not.

You know, she does think that about herself and aspire for that. Yeah. Well, anyway, great Lena stuff. Great Lena content. Did you see the one today? It's my choice to... Wait, what is it? No, it was she used her connections to get Ebola.

She used her connections to contract Ebola. It was great. She's talking about abortions like it's a fucking summer house. It's like a lake house. Study abroad, someone said. please don't talk about abortion like it was study abroad like i wish i had gone to florence yeah whatever it's weird i was saying it's so weird because i've

seen her write essays about like women being abused and what their rights are within their marriages and like rape and have like you know bearing a rapist child and how in certain states you are legally obligated to like allow visitation rights for your rapist to your child or whatever and so she sounds so intelligent in certain aspects and then she says stuff like this and you're like wait have you read anything about abortion like because it's not yeah i mean hot take i think so i think there are probably a lot of white celebrity men probably a lot of what men celebrities period that are just as idiotic as her you know what they don't get asked these questions as much i mean to be fair though this was her podcast yeah i said it was a hot take i mean but that's what kind of drives me crazy at the amy

schumer interviews i'm like you guys had all the power to edit this and rethink it and put it out there and make put present the most sparkling versions of yourselves and you still were like this is what we're doing there is so much power in those people that celebrities surround themselves with to just tell them they're doing the right thing like I recently I was doing research on John Travolta and Kelly Preston I'm doing a show later and I'm talking about Kelly Preston Brooklyn

so like so I'm just like assessing you just sounded like a Sex and the City character so I was you know, with Kelly. Listen, Brooklyn. Brooklyn. So Brooklyn, right?

It's alternative. We talk about celebrities that are on the B, C, D list. All sorts. So, no, anyway, but I was reading about Battlefield Earth. You remember this movie with John Travolta, which is like a sci-fi epic, and it was widely called one of the worst movies in the world? And they asked John Travolta, which is like a sci-fi epic, and it was widely called one of the worst movies in the world. And they asked John Travolta about it in the aftermath, and he was like, you know, I actually don't read reviews.

There's a team of people around me that's hired to not tell me this stuff. So it's like, you have it right there. I mean, you said it. Like, you're not going to get any perspective other than your own. And you're like, no no there probably wasn't anyone there to tell them this shouldn't go into print yeah i also think like a lot of celebrities are just like nerdy teens who now have power so like when you get amy schumer and lena dunham in a room together they're both like i'm in a room with amy schumer i'm in a room with lena dunham and so they're

validating each other and they're like i'm cool yeah you know what i mean so they're validating each other and they're like, I'm cool. Yeah. You know what I mean? So they're like anything that she's laughing at must be great. Yeah. But imagine like nobody telling, you know, even when you're like college aged, like you make tiny furniture and people are like, uh-huh. Yes. And then you're like, fuck, I'm amazing. Like you don't doubt your ability and then you just say shit and it's like, well. She also exists in that weird space between like authority, authority young person who's, like, more of a writer and comedian.

So I do think sometimes she thinks she's being funny in the midst of this, like, intelligent point. Or we're listening to hear one thing and then we hear, like, what she perceives as a joke coming out of her mouth. Yeah. And that gets construed. Like, she was even, like, in the minor dealings with her i had i was i was picking up on like oh yeah you're a normal person who says these things but like unfortunately you're gonna be quoted in print saying them and like you can't that my biggest complaint about her is that people treat her as though she's a comedian and she seems to also believe it. And she has no comedic experience.

Therefore, the jokes don't hold up under scrutiny. Yeah. But she acts as though, oh, that was just a joke. And you're like, no, it's not a joke. That's not how a joke works. Yeah. That's interesting.

Even with the show, even with Girls the Show, I always have thought, I think when that show is at its best it's being its most real and when it tried to be this kind of broader comedy i was like i don't buy this i don't think you guys are very good at this yeah there's a lot of shows like that i would say the same thing about certain episodes of orange is the new black where i'm like are you a drama or are you a comedy and you seem to think you're good at both but you're just sort of treading water like what what's your goal here yeah just pick a hat i think that show exists best in that in that kind

of area where it's like you're you're seeing the realities and like we're laughing because of the realities but also like it's very hard to do that with that kind of show because at a certain point you've got to talk about you know the racial elements of all that you've got and that's there's nothing funny about it like apparently this last season was incredibly dark i didn't watch it but i thought the last season was a little better because it felt like it got real that's the thing that drives me crazy about the show is like the tone like swings back and forth so drastically that you don't really know what to expect and then when it when you're watching a show about a women's prison and it goes super light and fluffy you're kind of like whoa what are we what exactly is this yeah like you're are we trying to

say that it's fun to be in a women's prison because it's not but this season did get a little darker and i thought that was like a good thing for the show and I will definitely watch it I honestly heard what it was about and I got so anxious I just like I get very anxious watching any television like my boyfriend had to watch Westworld before me so that I could so that we could sit together and he could tell me when something violent was gonna happen because I what was going to happen. He's your TV canary? Yeah. He's sort of like your John Travolta team. Yeah. He is. And honestly, I watched that show mostly from the next room,

like peering over a... Famously, Matt, we've mentioned this before, Matt has not seen past the first 10 minutes of Stranger Things because he was too scared. No, I can't do it. And I want to so bad because Winona. I want to so bad because Winona. I want to so bad because Winona. I don't think it's that scary.

It doesn't need to be. All there needs to be is the anticipation. I just want to give you a super cut of Winona Ryder. And I think that's all you need. Because I heard that she does some amazing borderline overacting. And that's what I'm there for. She's the perfect caricature of the crazy mother from the 80s that's

suffering. She's so good. And now all the accolades are coming in right now, too. She got the Screen Actors Guild nomination in the Golden Globe. Stuff. Do you guys follow all that? Not too, too much. I think it's a very gay thing.

Sometimes I'm more invested than others right now. It's like the Trump stuff kind of trumps it, I guess. Right. We're just not into like celebrating the achievements of film over the last year when it's like this. I will say there are some really, really good stuff out there that is very thought provoking right now. Have you guys seen Arrival? No, I haven't. You should see it.

It's great. It's really good. It's because it's really a movie about communication. And like, that's very interesting now. You saw it, right? I saw it, yeah. Did we see it together? No, I saw it by myself. I saw it with Henry.

I saw it by myself, like, I think two days after the election. Yeah. And it was, it's very, right? It feels very, like, prescient. Yeah. The trailer is good. Yeah. Well, the trailer makes it seem very prescient. Yeah. The trailer is good. Yeah. Well, the trailer makes it seem very sci-fi.

You think it's going to get to that point where she's on the ship fighting an alien, but it never gets there. It's actually a really intimate, heady kind of drama with those elements in it. I thought it was fantastic. And she's my favorite. She's great. Guys, let's talk to Beth and Sarah about culture that shaped you.

When did you know culture was for you? What did you grow up with? Let's start with Sarah. We're talking about television. We're talking about books, movies. What really pushed you into being who you are and your interests? Oh my god. Okay. So I was

pretty anti-culture until i was 13 i hated culture uh why is that why was that i don't know i think i grew up in new hampshire in a very just like a house with white walls and parents who were very practical oh i see um and then uh i discovered television which was my first so So, oh, you know what? I should back up. Sorry. My mother tried to introduce me to culture by putting me in a jazz choir when I was five. And I. Famously not for everyone. I hated it. I hated it.

I was in the Sunshine Generation and I cried. Our director was Penny Marshall. What? Wait, the real Penny Marshall? Are you kidding? Her name was fucking Penny Marshall. Oh, my God. Weird.

I was gagging for this. I didn't know about Penny Marshall in New Hampshire. No, like actually Penny Marshall. Oh my God. I was gagging for this. Have you ever met Penny Marshall in New Hampshire? No, it's actually Penny Marshall. Not unrealistic to think that. I don't know why her name was Penny Marshall. She renamed herself Penny. Sorry, this is insane. Can I tell you though, my grandmother's name is Betty White.

No. That's her birth name. She married and then changed her last name, but she was born as Betty White. That's fine. name. It's not... She married and then changed her last name. She was born as Betty White. That's fine. Penny Marshall, though. I think it was just the generation. She was born as Betty White. Penny Marshall is probably

Penny Marshall's age now. Yeah. It was probably just some weird freak thing. I love the dress code. I hated it. I think my mom a really like cursory understanding of musical theater and wanted like the idea of me doing it was cool to her and i was like no yeah um and then when i got into high school i was like wait i wish i was doing this and but so like i just watched a lot of comedy on tv and i became like a dumb comedy nerd and was like obsessed with strangers

with candy and ucb and all that stuff um and then i like kind of like took the back door in a theater and i did like an intercity theater group um instead of doing like the theater program at my school because then people would like know so i'd like run out of field hockey practice and be like sorry guys i've got something to do that would have been a good way around it i too was like too scared to do theater in high school because of what it would mean yeah and I didn't find any outlet for it. But that's cool. But Sarah sneaking out after field hockey practice to go to rehearsals or what have you feels like a very teen drama-esque. Oh, I mean, totally.

And then like all the romance ensued. And it was just like a complete cliche. A complete cliche. Wait, real romance? Real romance. Love it. Yeah, it was great. It was great. So all the things happened. And it was like like a complete cliche. A complete cliche. Wait, real romance? Real romance. Yeah, it was great. It was great.

So all the things happened. And it was like, it was great. And the minute I got a car, I took an improv class. And then I shuttled off to Chicago when I was in college. And then I was just like, hmm, culture. This is beautiful. So you guys are Chicago babies. I moved to Chicago eventually.

I grew up in New Hampshire slash Boston area. Yes. I grew up in Massachusetts Hampshire slash like Boston area. Yes. I grew up in Massachusetts. So we were like, but we weren't like far away from each other. Oh, okay. Physically, right. But we didn't know each other. So then, okay.

It did lots of improv in college. Yeah. Right. Cause you guys met at the magnet. Yeah. Into your adulthood. Love it. Culture.

Culture. That threw Beth into culture. So I guess like my, my my access point at least comedy wise i was always like an a visual art kind of nerd but i was like very into like monet which sounds really dumb now looking back on it but um when my when i was little my dad would tape the snl episodes and then play them for us so like like at a very young age, I was like very into SNL. And I don't know, like age 12 or whatever, I got Instant Messenger on AOL.

My AIM screen name was SNL Viewer. No numbers, no numerals. No numerals. Snag SNL Viewer. I snagged it. The original. no numeral to snag snl viewer i snagged it uh the original anyway uh that was me and then uh high school i was very into like watching you know comedy central and all that but i also was very very into bbc america which we had for some reason um and i watched a lot of like british comedies and like the show called Coupling.

It was like a British friend. They tried to do that with them in America, right? Yeah. It was like a British friends, but like more, I think like sexually open in the way the British people are. Right. Yeah. And yeah, stuff like that.

That's something with British television I've always noticed. Like they had like Queer queer as folk before we did. And I was always like, what is this? And I was super young when that came out. So I was always like, but that was kind of, I then realized as an adult was kind of just like a sex show.

Right. But they, yeah, the British stuff always seemed like more advanced and smarter. Have you seen fleabag on Amazon? No. It's like, so there's a storyline. i know this is kind of

spoilers but there's a storyline where this character is like a straight guy but he has a friendship with a gay guy and then he sort of is like jealous of the gay guy's boyfriend and like is like messing with him and then it slowly comes out that he's like he actually is like into this guy and he's like bisexual or whatever you want to call it but it's just like so much smarter than our television like to just like have that happen it's like american television would never let a straight guy turn gay yeah no unless they saw it like happen like several times overseas that's like maybe can we do it yeah like or i guess they wouldn't especially they wouldn't let him be like bisexual you know what i mean like they would maybe be like oh he was gay all along but like it's like it's so smart to like actually portray bisexual people

well american television i think especially in the stuff that they borrow from or they just kind of recreate here that's done done over the season like in england it's they've never nailed the authenticity like i guess they've a lot of people like shameless and i guess that feels authentic and feels real but that was originally british show yeah okay um but um you know a lot of things i've seen that tried to like get remade over here like just flop like for example, Kath and Kim. Kath and Kim? That's the second time someone's brought that up.

Really? It's just an old enough reference. Yeah, I haven't seen Kath and Kim. I saw the pilot. God bless Molly Shannon and Selma Blair. Oh my god, that was them. Could have been a great show. Oh yeah, with them.

I was thinking the X Factor. When America tried to do the X Factor and it was like so blown up. I know. And it was like Simon Cowell's big break from American Idol. He was like, it felt so fake. Yeah. And I was like a fan. This is horrible.

But I was like a fan of the British X Factor because it felt like they were kind of real artists. It felt like more fun like they were kind of real artists. It felt like more fun and more authentic in a real way. And I also heard that like 70% of British television households watched the show. Like it was like a national thing. It's like the Great British Breaking Show. It's a national treasure. It's like a national phenomenon.

Question though. Were they hotter or less hot than the U.S.? The contestants or the judges? Both. I don't know. Because you know it's all about the judges on The X Factor. Like that makes careers over there. Nicole Scherzinger will never come back to America.

Because she's a superstar and professional British talent show judge. Yeah. So she's never coming back. But you know what? The contestants on the American version were stereotypically hotter and so much more cast. Whereas the British version launched the careers of One Direction. And Cher Lloyd, who was a thing for a little while.

And Leona Lewis. And eventually became hot. Well, I don't know what happened. I think they just see like some like some like teen sevens and they're like,

yeah, them. Put them in a group. Gussy them up. We'll figure it out. One of them will pop. You know what I liked about American Idol though

were like early seasons where like the contestants just looked like the little normies. Like normal people. Kelly Clarkson. Kelly Clarkson.

Even Justin Guarini looked insane. Perfect normie. Perfect normie. Like, I mean, like normal people. Kelly Clarkson. Kelly Clarkson, even Justin Guarini looked insane. Perfect normie. Perfect normie, like, I mean, like Kimberly Locke, for God's sake. Well, it's like

British baking show if they did that in America. They are doing it in America. You couldn't find bakers that hot. But like the hosts, they would have recast the hosts immediately.

They would have like brought them in for auditions to like give them material about how the show should run and then they would have been like, fuck you guys. We're recasting you as a hot little 21-year-old

and have her parrot their takes on baking. Right, right. That's horrible. Aren't they doing that? Isn't there a Great American Baking Show now? I don't know that. I have a blind spot here for the Great British Bake Off. That's a blind spot for me too.

Maybe I'll watch it over Christmas. Sudi loves it. It's really satisfying. I hate most competitive reality shows. I like it, but it makes me too hungry. Yes, that's the trouble with food shows is that I get hungry. What a world. It trumps America. I just started singing, the trouble with

food shows. Because Kelly's on the brain which she never is far from my brain she's never it's good to have like a spirit animal person it's her and that got me in a lot of trouble when i was like in sixth grade and i was acting like her oh and trying to also be like a little straight boy like i would say the things that she said in school you can't do i mean like i was saying like ducka ducka ducka like she was semi-famous for saying like awkward things she was like the girl next door from texas and i would literally she inspired me to like be like her

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your podcasts on thanksgiving day 1999 a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean he had lost his mother trying to reach florida Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian.

Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.

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This is what I did in school. And I, oh my God, this is a shameful admission. The Trump episode of SNL In 2004 Or 5 I taped it I brought it into school to show My science teacher

Who was a huge apprentice Everyone was watching The Apprentice No, no, no, no, no, no, no That's not true I loved Omarosa Who is now in Trump's transition team and is a despicable human being. But Maya Rudolph did an update,

like sort of walk-on character as Omarosa. And like shit falls on her head and it's so funny. But I showed it to my science teacher and I was like, man, The Apprentice is the best show, isn't it? And then she and I were both like, yeah. And that's just a dark and do you feel like as a nerdy kid i'm i'm uh sort of like projecting no no but like do you feel like you had those moments where you like would bring something into school or like go above and

beyond and then later you'd be like why was i trying so hard yeah just just do the regular work what was that is there one is there one that stands out for you what's an example um i'm trying to think i know i definitely gave one of my teachers in high school like a magazine i was reading because it was like i was like oh you'll like this article you know like just like stuff where you're like and it was like it was like my lesbian ap history teacher and i was like you're gonna like this it's it was like about um it was about like

how they marketed cigarettes to kids or something and she loved it yeah but then you look back and you're like what was I doing

extra mile there and why yeah because we're kids and we want to impress adults I love this do you have one of those god yeah

so do you guys remember the two poets Verlaine and Rimbaud they had like a weird love affair and one of them tried to shoot the other because it was a really heated... Oh my god, no, but I'm gagged. I want to write this. and we made a whole music video of these two gay men having a tumultuous relationship and eventually killing each other. And it was really quirky.

But we made a whole video back before there was iMovie. And then we're like, here class, here it is. And everyone was like, that's not an embarrassment at all. And they're like, does not. Half watching.

And you're like, what the hell? Honestly, I'm proud of it. No shame. I was going to say that it's not sound mortifying at all. I mean, I just think as an adult, you can envision the other kids in that classroom and you're like, oh, they hated me. Ready?

Here's mine. I wrote my social studies teacher in seventh grade. We were studying American history and we were talking about the revolution. We were talking about the Boston Massacre and the trial that followed. So famously, it was won by the defense. And I was John Adams, and I was the defense attorney, and we basically had to just recreate the trial. It was just like a recreation of the trial that followed the Boston Massacre to see who was at wrong. Historically, my character won, but I came in

with a nine-page closing argument that I did for the class, and I personally attacked people in the class for the way they had acted during the trial. I was like, Paul Revere came up here and couldn't even get through his testimony.

And I... It was like half historical grounds. And I, historically we won. Yeah. But you were like subtweeting everyone in the room. But seriously, and they, and it was so long and I lost. And they voted against me because I was, it was too good. And my social studies teacher came up to me because he could tell I was really upset. And he was like, I just want to let you know that was a really good piece of writing and I'd love

a copy of it. And I like love Paul Topogno to this day because he like did that for me. He took that to the teacher's lounge and they giggled over it. I can't believe. Oh my god, that's pretty special. Do you have one?

Well, I mean, it was that. Everything. I think it was, oh no. It was exactly that. I think it was... Oh, no. Oh, I got really... It was that, but then, like, as far as an academic thing goes, like, in our drama class... Or, no, it was just an English class, but we got the fuck into sonnets. I got the fuck into sonnets. Oh, poetry was a whole thing.

So I brought in, like, comical sonnets about, a shit and farting in a piano lesson. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid thing. I still remember a line I wrote in one of my poems that we had to write in eighth grade or ninth grade. And the poem was called Venom. And the line was, I hope that you choke on one of your lies and you know what it's like to suffocate. And I wrote that down and said it out loud through my class. And my teacher, Mr. Miko, was like, wow. Mr. Miko.

There's nothing else to say. That's very passionate. That's beautiful. That's what we're looking for. But I felt, and that was like at the time when I was listening to like a lot of like. Avril. Avril Lavigne and like Kelly Clarkson. And so therefore by proxy, like checking out Alanis Morissette.

That's a nice journey. Because that was their influence. Yes. Yes. Very good. I have a theory about this because I also got very into poetry when that was like what was offered in seventh grade. And I think it's just so little of our curriculum was like creativity based.

And there were so few outlets to like actually do anything creative in school. So when that came up and they were like, oh, now you guys get to write something. We were all the little like nerdy, sensitive kids were like, okay. Yeah. Like you're like. Want to know what I think. I have feelings over here. A lot.

A lot. But also they weren't your real feelings. No, no, no. They were like these performative things that like you could maybe kind of hear in a pop song. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Oh my God. Can we talk about Brynn and Manny? Okay, wait. Oh, thank God. Because I wanted to ask you this question because this is a unique position that you're in. Listeners. Because now, yeah, first of all, let's say there is stars on the horizon. Two stars on the horizon.

Brynn and Maven, Beth and Peter McNary's kids. You must follow them on Instagram because they're unbelievable. I think Brynn is actually a comedic genius. Brynn is already a star. And now I feel like you are in an amazing position because we ask our guests usually

what culture shaped you, but now you get to kind of steer these kids into what kind of culture they're getting, they're getting, they're seeing. And I know some, some stuff,

but what is, what are Brynn and me even like, what are they watching? What are they absorbing? What are they discussing? Okay. Well, it changes week to week.

I think you probably saw on Instagram this week. It was secret life of pets, home alone. Secret life of pets was like musically a very big hit for them because it has like big pop songs. Um, and they both were just shaken around to it. Yes. Shaken around. I love it.

The friends dancing. Home Alone is actually like not really grabbing Brynn. Like he enjoyed that scene because we kind of like put it in front of him. But the show, the movie as a whole is not like have enough like music or cartoons for him to be drawn in, I guess. He probably just knows the screenplay logistically is a huge mess. He's saying, I don't think so. What's the tension? Yeah, I don't know.

Lately, he's been pretty into the movie Inside Out, which is teaching him about feelings. Yeah, that's good. It's good for him because he's mimicking the emotions. Oh, yeah. We've seen that. Yeah. Yeah. And he was like, a couple weeks ago, he was crying about something.

And I was like, what's going on? He's like, I'm sad. Oh, he knows. And he had a name to put to it. Yeah. So that was good. What else? He was really into cars for a while i

was gonna say oh my god yeah i haven't seen it well i guess is this part of matt's question like is there stuff that you and peter want to eventually introduce to brin like yeah uh i mean we definitely like started a little bit but some stuff is too old for him like peter pushed like dumbo pretty hard which i'm not a huge fan it's a fine movie it's just one of those things like whatever movie you watched eight million times as a child you kind of wanted to see how your child reacts to it so that was his thing he also likes the wizard of oz but that's like too old for a brand and i pushed mary poppins because that's like my childhood thing. Yeah.

Growing up. That was like we. Explains why you're so dark. Yeah. Why I'm so dark. We had we in my household, we own two videos for most of my childhood. And it was The Wizard of Oz and Mary Poppins. And The Wizard of Oz was terrifying to me. So we watched Mary Poppins over and over again.

But so he is like pretty into that. And that's where he I don't know if you've seen his Instagrams where he tells jokes but that is from a Mary Poppins scene where they sing I Love to Laugh and they tell jokes. So yeah.

We love the awareness of how funny he knows he is. He knows he's funny. Yeah. He says regularly, I'm so funny. So, you know, he's now aware of his power, I think. I clocked this early on because one of the first Brynn videos that... I clocked this. Because Brynn video...

Peter and I called them Brynnstagrams. Brynnstagrams. Peter posted, I think it was like the second ever Brynn video of Brynn just, I think he must not even have been a year old. Maybe he was like a year and a half, two years old, sitting on his high chair. And Peter, just from camera, off screen, is doing a little sound. And then Brynn mimics it. Yeah.

And then Peter laughs. And then as a response, Brynn starts laughing. And it was one of the most heartwarming moments. We're all so blown away, I think, because we don't have any children to watch go through this. So we're literally watching and be like, oh my god, this is how it works. I think it's fun for us as creative people to have kids that have creative impulses and probably overly nurture them. Because our parents were not not always like super into our creativity uh so it's like we're probably like like nurturing it too much but it's fun to watch

well you know i know i think it's great you're creating beautiful monsters but like right brin is like a natural performer and he loves attention so like anytime you are into him repeating something he's like okay here you go i said the most surprising consistent and prolific performer in this community is brim and he doesn't even know it yeah he has an awareness of the camera that i don't even have at this point where i'm like oh i need to like blink less and he's just there was there was this weird moment a few months ago where i was filming him on the phone and he knew I was filming him. So he was kind of performing for the phone. And then at a certain point, it's like I was like, you know, filling up my phone too much.

So I turned off the record and he was like, he could tell that I wasn't recording and that I was just going through the motions. And he kind of like called me out on it. He was like, no, like it's just like so funny. Like he could sense like he was like, this needs to be. What a command. I mean, that's the other side. That's the X factor. That's the other side of the coin to like that baby trying to flip over.

Entrepreneur. Trying to zoom into a book, you know, this is like the other side of the coin to that baby trying to flip over. Entrepreneur. Trying to zoom into a book. This is the other side of that where it's like, this is the good thing that technology is giving to the new generation. Well, I have to say, if there's one that I want everyone to watch, and this to me is the iconic one. It's Brynn gets on the phone and has a conversation in gibberish, full gibberish, nothing. But the inflections are so that you will follow the conversation every step of the way. Oh, my God. And there's a perfect pause, and he really is listening. And then he's just like, no, no, this is – but it's just like yeses and nos and affirmatives.

It's mind blowing. And then Peter goes, are they saying bye? And he goes, bye bye. And then he hangs it up. Iconic. Yeah. Guys, everyone watch it. Is that on Peter's handle?

I think that's a Peter. That's a Peter one, I think. But this is a great channel strategy. Two separate accounts. Yes. Gotta follow both to synchronize because then one day Brynn will one day have an Instagram and then and you'll have a mass of followings of both you and it'll be fantastic it's gonna be a very popular teen very popular

teen speaking of content I had this like genuine question now you guys now that we're like post-election is there have you guys had these any meetings so far to talk about any i don't know like tactical or like sounds stupid like strategy shifts like post-election just to like in terms of like the way you write things or the way you cover things or whatever i mean we've had like informal conversations about it like there's definitely like baseline we're never gonna waste our time covering like trump's small hands or like we're like that just like any kind of like normalization like you would a normal president like that's not but yeah we've agreed like the trump presidency is a women's issue so like that is fair game on redactress but yeah totally it's yeah we've like i don't know i guess we've had a lot of these conversations like in our own heads but like that's that's kind of like a thing we had about trump already was like

we're not gonna do like the small hand stuff and we're not gonna like take the easy jokes because it's like why i guess like when everyone else is doing that like i don't know i also have like ever since it ever since he was like hitting like mass media coverage early in the election and people were like, stop covering him. He's getting all this attention. But then everyone just kept covering him. My feeling is sort of like, it's sort of, he's sort of like an abuser. Like we keep having these sex scam, like sex assault, sexual assault scandals in our community and i'm sort of like every time it happens i'm like it's not about that guy it's about us all trying to protect ourselves from these types of guys it's not this one guy so like when i talk about it i don't like to be like so and so did this blah blah i hate so and so i want to talk about like why do these people behave this way and how are we not looking out for women and blah blah blah, blah. So when it comes to Trump, I still am just like, I don't want to do a lot of Trump coverage. I don't want to like, I mean, we do cover him for sure, but like when it's justified.

Yeah. Like how can we talk about this and how can we talk about the forces at play without just being like Trump is a bad man? Well, what's so great about Reductress, I think, just as someone that enjoys the comedy of it, is how specific it always is. So, like, you don't want to do just, like, this you expect, like, to hear something about, you know, oh, Trump with Russia. It's just, like, it's something specific that

pertains to and is in the voice of your magazine. And so, like, that has to be... Right. And my question might have been like a little simplistic then just to be like well since the president since the presidency is now women's is like a very gendered thing now has to have things changed but maybe that's like not even that might be a lazy something like it's it oh sorry go ahead it's a good question i do think like there there was definitely some questioning ourselves after the election of like are we being

too smug you know and i think everyone's asking themselves like have we been a little bit smug as liberals like assuming we were going to win this thing and just being like oh they're dumb you know and now we're sort of like how do you like actually reach out to people and like i don't know but i think it's what you're just saying is that there's power in sort of not pointing or mentioning the thing. I don't know. It's like. Well, I would imagine that the way, because you guys get pitches from all the writers. So it's like you guys look at all the pitches you get.

And maybe this is a question, I guess. Is it more, wow, let's sit down and talk about what we want to do. And then let's look at everything. Or you just kind of look at what you have and like look at the kind of thoughts that you guys are getting and then say this feels right or like for topical stuff we do a lot of that chat in-house because it's a lot of like okay we know this broad thing is a problem but like let's break it down to the like micro issues and a lot of it's just like throwing that micro issue out and seeing what people have on it and a lot of that stuff's done house i mean every once in a while we get like freaking home runs out of people from outside, but topical

I think like a group effort makes all the difference in terms of really being specific and not just being like but Trump stocks Yeah, I also like one of my comedy philosophies is if like if you're doing a topical joke about the thing that everyone's talking about you kind of do want to hit the nail on the head in terms of what the thing is like you want to have an original take on that topic but you don't want to like skirt the issue at hand right so it's like obviously we're not as mainstream as like snl but we do want to like speak to people about like what's on their mind. So we don't need the most creative, philosophical side issue part of this joke. I don't know. Right, right. There was a headline in the wake of that whole sexual assault stuff at UCB.

It was one that just really blew me away. It was, I made up my sexual assault for all the attention. Oh, I anonymously reported my rape for the anonymous attention? Brilliant. I just thought, unbelievable. I was like, that says it right there. I mean, you read this and I'm like, what are you going to say? That whole thing was such nonsense i

mean but i mean and this goes back to topicality and hitting the issue on the head um is well yeah that whole page that that one day was just yeah one of i mean it was just the circumstances were horrible surrounding it but just like a very satisfying thing to or not satisfying but at least like i don't know comforting is not the right word either but you know what i mean like i saw it i think it was i can say it was cathartic for us in the office whatever like attention it did or didn't get like we felt better at the end of the day just being like this is how we feel yeah sometimes you just want someone to say what you're feeling yeah it's just like yeah because we were oh god we felt so

shitty in the office that week like nobody was getting anything done like yeah if we weren't gonna attack what the thing that was wearing us down like we would have just been shitty all week so it was it was good to just approach that it sucks that it's now an issue again and now we realize like the way the news cycle goes it's like oh we're gonna be constantly like dealing with abortion stuff we're constantly gonna be dealing with rape culture and yeah you know it's it's insane like in addition to us just having elected uh basically someone who's committed sexual assault to like the highest office in our country is like we like we haven't had i personally feel like i haven't had like a vacation or like a break this year that hasn't been heavily dominated by rape allegations.

Because it keeps coming up. I mean, I know that's sort of a very privileged problem to have. That I'm like, oh, my vacation is dominated by discussing someone else's sexual assault. Obviously, it's not as bad as living it it to be sure but it's just like it's constantly there you know like it's just our whole lives this year has spent it's just been one after another it's so but it's like always been happening we're just now aware of it and it's just like every other freaking problem in the world like yeah we know so much now and now we have to do something about it like i happen to explain to my relatives who legitimately think that all of a sudden these black lives

matter people are being out of control it's like no they're just now giving given the opportunity to speak out about this because they're able to record it on their phones like the media is so i mean and just technology now is so sensitive we can we can get these things on camera for years we haven't been able to get them on camera and you never believe you know what's amazing about that too is like when did camera phones become like ubiquitous 2008 and I will tell you ask any conservative whatever whatever in your family and they're like huh kind of weird that ever since Obama was elected Black Black Lives Matter was a thing. And it's like, oh, I wonder why. My life might have to do with the iPhone.

Yeah, right? It's shocking. It's, they really, these Trump people, they really, they really go to bat. And it doesn't matter what's logical anymore. It doesn't matter what's sensical. And, you know, on the flip side, it's like, sometimes I think about myself, you know, was I willing to do that for my candidate? And I think it is partially true. I always ask that. sensical and you know on the flip side it's like sometimes i think about myself you know what was i willing to do that for my candidate i think it is partially true i always ask that i always i'm

like if kanye west ran on the democratic ticket would i vote for him over my yes marco rubio yeah i mean i don't know i don't think i would think about it i would think about it real hard but if he was running on the democratic ticket he wouldn't appoint a bunch of white supremacists to his cabinet right right but then yeah there's that there's that god but yeah i do constantly ask myself like um are democrats actually better in practice or just in theory because i do think like i do think we're better on average yeah but when you look at like media and so many things where like in terms of like representation where we're just like shutting people of color out of every you know high position and or like every tv show you know it's like okay we're not doing so great like we're not doing so great but look this is what the making oprah podcast is

sort of about is that she realized that intention was like the big thing like for for the oprah showed a transition from like just like trashy like tabloid tv to like almost spiritual things she like oprah had to shift her thinking in terms of what she wanted to how she wanted to impact people I feel like as long as liberals are mean, and I say this as a person of color and a gay man and all this stuff, I feel like as long as liberals honestly mean well, hopefully the rest of

everything else falls into place. That sounds like a very idealized sometimes I think there is the absolute not like self-belief that you do mean well but there is that that black hole or that kind of like what's it like a like a blind spot where it's like you know you took to your computer in the morning to speak about social issues meanwhile like the person that voted for trump for Trump has a foot of snow at their door and they can't afford a shovel.

So they were dealing with that and didn't have time to think about the social issue and don't know what the social issue is. And because they don't know what it is, they can't have an opinion on it. And so they're just trying to like, all they know is it's bad and I have to vote. So it's like, I'm really trying to like all they know is it's bad and i have to i have to vote so it's like i'm really trying to get to the i'm trying to think how can we get to the point where we can

all really even begin to be on the same have a middle class have a strong middle class i think people in media have to like be a little more comfortable i think like not having such like a like intellectual hot take and just like being informative on a really basic level right because i think that's the thing that conservatives and like trump especially has done is like they have these slogans that are like make america great again and to like the average person that has to like get their kids to school and pay their rent and whatever they're like okay sounds good like yeah i don't have time for a lot more than that so if you could just make it digestible right you know the democratic message was an anti-message it was in response to that it wasn't like a statement of itself it was no america is great yeah it's like what are you talking about yeah

for you i just saw a picture of hillary clinton Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama clinking wine glasses in the sky. It's like, that's tough. You know what I mean? I don't know. It's something to think about. And I really don't want to feel scared saying, it's something to think about. Because now you get online and it's like,

you can't say the right thing. But it becomes scary, which is, I think, kind of what you were saying before. It's like, not only is there not a break from it in the news cycle, there's not a break from it in the Facebook feed. It's not this place where you just go to do stupid bits anymore. What I loved about it was when we would do dumb Instagram bits. And I miss that. I want it back. But I know. How can you bear to do it? I know. It's tough. I think what you were saying,

Bowen about intention is I think like beyond intention, I think liberals have to be okay with things being actually a little bit of work. And I think like we want, we want to be like, I am on the right side of this. I just signed a petition. Boom,

done. And like, it's like if you want to have more diverse representation in whatever field you work in, it's harder than that. You have to actually reach out to people you don't know and like go out of your way to do that. And the first diverse person you ask is going to be unavailable and you have to be like, I know diverse person is like a weird thing to say, but you know what I mean?

Like you, it's like, it's actual work to fix things and like to undo the legacy of slavery slavery is not like boom we fixed it like we have to like actually yeah do something about that i have a question for you guys did you guys watch westworld yeah yeah so did you guys have a hard time with it in the beginning because of like the the kind of violence against women because it kind of got like a like a weird rap in the beginning because it was a very hbo-ish kind of show where it was like treat women horribly yeah i mean i but i understand why i was there i'm not like triggered by that stuff like because like of course if there was like a robot world men would fuck and rape robots like yeah it made sense to me i don't know i just yeah i mean that's just i'm like oh that's the world as

i see it yeah yeah one point that's that's the thing i have trouble with is like certain um people criticizing the show for violence against women or criticizing any show for like nudity or whatever and i'm just like but rape does happen in the world so are we never allowed to depict it and then what's the scenario we're in if we just never depict the reality we live in and even when it's going to take a stance even even the fact that that show is about the fact that like this is like where it's gotten to in this world where entertainment is rape and violence and all these things like if but people are like yeah well it still did like use it for viewers and it's like so wait are we in this this weird kind of paradox where we can never talk about

it? And how do you expect a visual medium to address this then? Exactly. No, I think we have to accept, because it's so much more insidious when we don't talk about it directly. And I feel this way about this KKK show on A&E too. Granted, I haven't seen it, so who knows?

It could be extremely poorly executed, but to actually see that on screen, I don't seen it. So who knows? It could be, it could be extremely poorly executed, but to actually like see that on screen, I don't, a reasonable person, right? A person who could be on the fence of X and Y should not be like weird racist uncles who say like things under their breath yeah then i don't know i think that's much more dangerous it's so i don't know because those people vote and they don't talk about it but you know like kkk we can point to that and be like that's alive and well i don't know yeah sean king like wrote about that just the show having seen the pilot he was like i think this is actually i think it's good that we're exposing these people but at the same time and you have to you have to do you have to weigh the risks on think it's good that we're exposing these people, but at the same time, I mean, you have to,

you have to do, you have to weigh the risks. Well, it's like, what's the intention here? It's like we said before, is it to entertain and to sensationalize or is it to inform and expose? That's the thing. I'm worried that like,

cause of the duck dynasty situation, like, Oh, this isn't going to be done. Well, if it were an actual documentary that had a point, supposedly people are involved or are saying that it's done in the right tone but i think it is one of those things where it's like more of a big picture discussion than just that show because that

show on its own is not necessarily bad but it's like hey annie like are you representing people of color on any of your shows right because if you're gonna do a show about racists, maybe also have some other shows about other groups of people. Have you guys watched the Leah Remini show? No. Excellent. So well done. No people of color on it, but

it's good. The first three episodes, and it's not good in that like a, oh yes, juicy. It's good in Like the first three episodes, and it's not good in that like a, ooh, yes, juicy. It's good in like, these people are really sharing these tough stories and it, I would say impossible to watch it and not say, yeah, this can't,

this has to go. I think that something's gonna happen. Like the way that the show is moving along, it's just making such a clear case every episode, really from every standpoint on why this cannot stand. And the next episode, I'm so excited because the next episode is going to be all about this David Miscavige character who's like the pope of Scientology. And this is going to expose him and really go after him. And I think this guy is evil. He's not gay.

He's a really evil person that's living in this world and i i really i recommend watching the show just to get informed about it i i actually have a family friend that lost someone to scientology and i can tell you this isn't this thing that like and i feel bad even making jokes about it sometimes like but because i know for a fact this isn't this thing that exists out there um that like happens to people in california or tampa it happens to people everywhere like this is a real cult and it takes people away from their families and i hope something goes down with it yeah um. Yeah. But meanwhile, Matt has been balancing that with Mariah's World.

And then you have Mariah's World, which is exposing in its own way. Have you guys watched Mariah's World? I've only watched clips. If you have to put one thing at the top of the list, it's Mariah's World. That's a light.

That's a light in the world. If only because of all the side characters. Like, talk about Yes Men. Like, the show is executive produced by Mariah's world. That's a light. That's a light in the world. If only because of all the side characters. Like, talk about yes men. Yeah. Like, the show is executive produced by Mariah, who's horizontal the whole show. She's lying down. Every confession, she's sprawled on a settee. Always.

I can't believe. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Lit. Face beats of the gods. Like, she's just so, it's so skewed. It's so funny. And the show is about how everyone around her is stressful and a problem except her. She's the one who keeps it all together. I love it. That's so skewed and the show is about how everyone around her is stressful and a problem except her she's the one who keeps it all together that's so beautiful did you ever see it was like a

mtv cribs that they went to mariah's house and she like she put on like a teddy and like high heels and then went to her workout room and she was like i don't know how to use any of these she gets on like a workout machine in her high heels and she's just i don't know how to use any of these yeah no i have to use it she gets on like a workout machine in her high heels and she's just like how do you do this uh it's so funny i love her she's insane i mean she was my first concert she was like part of my childhood like i was in mariah stan like i knew all the words to all the songs. She was my life. So now to see what she is, which is like a true Frankenstein. You know what's really funny?

I mean, she truly is. The funny thing is when you were a kid, my mother was being like, I remember Mariah when she was sweet. Like the early 90s Mariah. She has just devolved every decade. My first CD was Mariah Carey and my cool aunt got it for me.

What was it? Which album was it? Dream. What's it called? Fantasy. Yeah, that was the one with the- Daydream. Daydream.

That was with Always Be My Baby and all that. That was her kind of like, she started to get more upbeat and a little bit of R&B was coming in. We had Music Box in the house and that had Hero on it. kind of like she started to get more like upbeat and like a little bit of r&b was coming yeah we had a music box in the house and that had hero on it and um that was like her a huge huge song when she was like a torch song goddess and then the album that like changed my life at seven years old rainbow no butterfly butterfly which was her first album Outside of being married To her manager Who was like a true monster Sure

I mean Mariah's Seen some shit Yeah she's Fucked up No one can deny this Okay She's one of them Like she's like a

Britney Spears Michael Jackson level Like fucked up I'm nervous for her The show is nuts The show is nuts I hope The show is nuts

I hope and I pray That she You know She'll make it Apparently she has Like a sense of humor show us nuts I hope I hope and I pray that she you know she'll make it apparently she has like a sense of humor which is a good sign right yeah

that's good that's like the kind of person like from your high school or whatever like you go over their house and the whole time you're just like wide-eyed

like bugged out like what is happening here like they just have like the crazy mom that's like right there's a dog behind a door that's screaming yeah yeah here. They just have the crazy mom.

There's a dog behind a door that's screaming. Yeah. Oh, God. Shut up! What do you guys want to eat? Want some hot dogs? Then she goes to open the fridge and it's empty. It's like made of

red flags. Okay, so this is what all of our listeners have been waiting for. This is the cornerstone of the episode. This will take us to fame someday. It's I Don't Think So, Honey. We take one minute to rail against something in culture, and that is even too specific. Talk about anything you want that's pissing you off.

Anything, anyone. All the tics and tacks. You just have to say, I don't think so, honey. Guys, just a little thing. Matt has already coined so many indelible little phrases on this podcast. His newest one he's trying out is tics and tacks. All the tics and tacks. So just be on the lookout for that.

So just, you know, maybe try using it in a sentence today. Yeah. All the tics and tacks. Great. Matt, the lookout for that. So just, you know, maybe try using it in a sentence today. Yeah. All the tics and tacks. Great. Matt, do you have something? I don't have anything prepared. I have a little something. Okay, girl.

Okay. Can you put me on the clock? I'll put you on the clock. So Matt and I will do it first, and then we'll hand it to Matt. Okay. Now, potentially in mind, there will be a little bit of a spoiler, but I'm going to try to keep it as clean as possible. But this is a culture podcast, and so I'd be remiss to not say my feelings

about this particular thing. Here we go. Matt Rogers, I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Star Wars Rogue One and your animation on characters from the old movies. I don't think so, honey.

Grand Moff Tarkin is in this movie looking like Super Mario. I don't think so, honey. Cast another actor. We know him well. Peter Cushing was his name. He played the Mario. I don't think so, honey. Cast another actor. We know him well. Peter Cushing was his name. He played the character. I don't think so, honey.

He comes in looking like someone from Halo video game. I don't think so, honey. I want to see human faces. You want to reboot this franchise? You want to give me strong female leads? I'm all about it. But also, give me humanity. Give me something I can latch on to.

Don't give me a human actor talking to a screen. And also, at the end, spoiler alert, Princess Leia is in it looking like her face is about to slide off. She's in it. And also, they used Carrie Fisher's old dialogue. And I don't think so, honey. I want to hear Carrie Fisher right now. Attack this reality head on. She's a horsewoman.

She's seen it. Her voice is, she's a horse woman. She's seen it. Her voice is, she's been through it. She's been to hell and back. And I want to see the real Carrie Fisher on screen. There's not enough Carrie Fisher in film. That's one minute. Oh my God. And by horse woman, you mean H-O-A-R-S-E.

Yes. Her voice now is just beautiful, but just so low. Oh my God. But it's seen the years. Yes. And also the revelation that she and Harrison Ford were fucking all those years. Dynamite. Love it.

Crazy. Did you hear about this? No. Oh, you did hear about it. So she's come out and confessed that during the whole Star Wars, not only was she totally zoned out on coke, but she was also fucking Harrison Ford the whole time. I mean, you gotta kill time. You gotta.

Those movies are long. They're so long and apparently they were just on so, such hard drugs filming those scenes like in Hoth.

It was the 80s. It was just like, God, apparently they would just do lines of coke and then go on the screen and like act and say this like

insane dialogue. That's beautiful. Well. So proud. So proud. So proud. So proud. Anyway, I liked the movie Rogue One.

I just didn't agree with the way that they chose to recreate the old action in the movie. It's video game nonsense. You just spoiled that for me. Just so listeners know. Yeah, for just layers at the end of the movie.

If you were curious about what happens with the plans for the Death Star. A lot of Star Wars fans listen to this podcast. I think so. You're all out there. I think you'd be. A lot of Star Wars fans listen to this podcast. I think so. You're all out there. I think you'd be surprised.

I think Star Wars is like pretty gay. Yeah. Yeah. It's a queer narrative for sure. I think so. Yeah. Luke. Luke.

Gay. The Dagobah system. Chosen family. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't have anything. Well, here we go.

Here we can go to one of our guests. Here we can go. You know what? I got something. Maybe it would be nice to ask one of our guests if they want to go. Did you guys want to go first? No, hit it. You got something. Go for it. You go. Ready? Bo-Yang, I Don't Think So Honey starts... Wait, wait, wait. Oh my god. Wait, hold on. No.

No, we don't have a lot of time. Okay. Alright. Fine. Fine, fine, fine, fine. You know what? Go. Phone yang, I don't think so honey starts now. I don't think so honey incompetent baristas. I know this is a well-trod subject. I know like every barista is like a bumbling fool but I met one today

that really just just really got to me and got under my skin. I asked, I went, this is the Starbucks on Spring Street, and I want to say 6th Avenue, right across from Trump Soho. I don't think it's a coincidence. So their carafts of milk and dairy were out. So I just needed any type of dairy.

I don't think so, honey. This barista, I went up to this gentleman. I asked him for some half and half. If he had some From behind the counter He said Sure but wait one minute And he was

Meanwhile just trying to Fucking chum up to some Rich asshole Who was just like Hanging at the counter Hovering I don't think so honey This barista

He took a solid Ten minutes to get me Any type of dairy mama And I just wanted to Make my Americano Less harsh So it didn't run Right through me

I don't think so honey Baristas I don't think so honey baristas. I don't think so honey Starbucks baristas who are not well trained and that's one minute. That's one minute Bowen Yang. I don't think so honey. I just want to say I've had a lot of really positive experiences with Starbucks baristas recently. You always undercut me. Always. I've had a really good time with them

all this Christmas season. I'm in particular enjoying the peppermint mocha frappuccino. That's well good for you. Because I'm bravely still drinking frappuccinos, which famously are cold. That's brave. Throughout this winter weather. Great.

I'm proud. Sarah, you're up. Wow. I'm going to process this in real time for what we just experienced while walking outside. We always do because we truly don't choose one until the very last second. Sarah Pappalotto, I Don't Think So Honey starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, the old man yelling at experience we always do because we truly don't choose uh fair enough sarah peperlotto i don't think so honey starts now i don't think so honey uh the old man yelling at his wife around the street uh right outside on broadway it's like excuse me he's like i don't i can never do enough for you and i'm like oh i know the backstory to this honey i know what you did and i know this

wife is just like he has no fucking idea what he does but she's gonna say it and he's just gonna be like what do I do it's Christmas I'm so sad what do I do uh I don't think so honey maybe just like listen to what she's saying and then maybe try to fix it I don't know or maybe just like don't yell on the street because let me tell you we were walking down the street and we walked an extra block we walked an extra block we were 10 minutes late here because of this guy making a scene on the street and i'm like oh i get it it's all about you honey oh my god you've got 13 seconds i don't think so honey uh listen to your wife you're probably getting a divorce oh wow a swift one at 55 seconds and you know what It was concise

And it got the point across I was just feeling it in real time We know exactly the way you felt And also now we have an explanation As to the lateness No But it was all worth it Look

Beth can you corroborate this Yeah oh yeah Oh totally It was me Me who spaced out I was like It was like a laser beam for me I couldn't look away

Yeah Oh my god But that is honestly Like you honestly who's spaced out. I was like, it was like a laser beam for me. I couldn't look away. Yeah. Oh my God. But that is honestly like a, like you honestly have, we have to figure out as, you know, a society how to respond to those things.

I remember a friend of the show, previous guest, Dresden, Anna Dresden. Yeah. Don't know her. Has told me multiple times. Don't know her.

Unfamiliar. Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Former guest. She's like talked about like just witnessing these horrible interactions between men and their like significant others. And what do you do? Like. And what do you do?

Do you like. I don't know. It's. You know what? This is right for conversation. OK. Beth. Next episode.

The sequel. All right. Beth. Here we go. Are you ready? Yeah. Do you have something picked out? All right.

Good. Great. Here we go. Go. I don't think so, honey. People who think reverse sexism is a thing take a look at power dynamics take a look at history take a look at right now and what's going on in this country women do not have more power than you so just sit down and

relax okay us calling you out on your bullshit and your power and what you're doing to us is not the same as you walking all over us. Oh, okay. I don't think so, honey. Uh, I know your little feelings are hurt because you've never experienced actual oppression, but I don't think so.

Honey, little white men, that is not oppression. Okay. I'm sorry. You had to read a thing that made you reconcile what you are doing to people around you. I don't think so, honey. It's not happening.

You are hurting people. You are the one that is hurting us, okay? I don't think so, honey. Reverse sexism is not a thing. And that's one minute. We got it. And you know what? We covered all different. We got to move every angle. I think we got all the culture. We got it. Wow. And you know what? We covered all different.

We got every angle. I think we got all the culture. Social, political. We went cinematic. Yes. We got on the ground in New York City. Look, and let's just pour one out for the men out there who are quick to defend accused sexual assault. Honestly, lighters up for the straight white men who get

more upset when the Yankees lose than when a racist brings their whole crew to Washington. I see you screaming at the televisions. I grew up with you all around me and I have my lighter up for you and Jimmy Buffett is playing. Guys, what an episode.

I mean, you guys, first of all you must pick up the book how to win a feminism you must listen it's so funny it's so great you must listen to the podcast mouth time mouth time with the incredible smart brilliant Nicole Silverberg and the garbage Rachel

truly a garbage bag friend of the show future guest maybe we'll see how we feel. If you're in LA, come see us at the Comedy Store on January 16th and on the 17th in San Francisco at Sketchfest. Ooh, prestigious San Francisco Sketchfest.

Incredible. Ha Ha Wow, right? Yeah, Ha Ha Wow at UCB Theater. Yeah, January 12th I believe. What a great January. Incredible. A stacked January. For a terrible January event, a stacked January for a terrible January event just as it surrounds a terrible January event

but what will happen we'll find out and we'll talk about it okay girl this has been Bo and Yang this is Matt Rogers and this is the

Last Culture Racist podcast thank you so much Forever Dog I look you in the eye as I say that baby alright bye bye

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