Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Literally At Sea" (w/ Marla Mindelle)

Episode Date: March 8, 2023

SOS, girlfriends! Marla Mindelle, star of TITANIQUE, joins Matt & Bowen on Las Culturistas in the heart of Pisces-season, the beginning of the Receivassiance, and the aftermath of a cathartic SZA concert to discuss cringe vs. camp through the lens of Angela Basset-did-the-thing, Countess Luann and Bad Cinderella, "honest discovery" in acting, becoming a musical theater assassin as a result of a weaponized BFA, How To Tell If Someone's Gay, overcoming stage fright, being an alum of Ellen's Stardust Diner, what *really* earns a low Uber rating, Titanic as monoculture, Titanique as a New York theater sensation, the memefication of Jennifer Coolidge, Facebook Marketplace culture and this year's Best Actress Oscar race, among many other subjects! Titanique is extended through September 10th and if you do not see it, you are a fool! GO!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I have to say happy birthday to my dear sister. And thank you for saying that. What do you mean? Of course. I'm just saying that. I'm just saying. Oh, you're receiving it. I was just receiving it

in a real way. Of course. And I want you to know I'm in my receiving era. And that's not just because of more bottoming over the past year. Amazing. You did say this last night.

We went to the SZA concert. Healing. Healing. Healing. Cathartic and healing. Best visuals I've ever seen at a concert. A high C-zash. Okay, yeah.

So we were literally, we met up before and then we were talking. Some of us were like- Like girlfriends. Like girlfriends do. Like girlfriends. Girlfriends, they talk.

It's actually real culture number 30. Girlfriends, they talk. And we were talking some of us like girlfriends like girlfriends do like girlfriends girlfriends they talk it's actually real culture number 30 girlfriends they talk and we were saying you know I bet SZA's I bet the staging of this will be like well none of us

really knew going in what it was someone was like I think I saw a lighthouse I got spoiled on TikTok there was a lighthouse involved

I was like oh of course the theme is like SOS it's like very save our ship vibe save our ship

which is iconically SOS. I didn't know that. You didn't know that? I thought it was just because the Morse code, it's da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. So it's like the easiest, simplest Morse code. Oh, I'm here to tell you. It's Save Our Ship.

It really stands for Save Our Ship. So that's essentially what they're typing into Morse code. That's what the message is, Save Our Ship. Oh my God. I learn something every day from you that's not true that's true i know this is the first thing you've learned from me in a very long time we're gonna get we're gonna move back on this idea later because i learned something huge from you that had to do with our guest okay just the show titanic itself yes we'll get to that later

but basically we were talking we were like you know i bet sZA just comes out and just takes the mic and sings. And the songwriting is so strong that you could just... It could have been just that. It could have been just that, right? No. I don't think this has been done. Or at least I haven't seen it in like the arena concerts I've been to, the few that I've been to, the handful I've been to.

She does, spoiler alert, she does like projector, like LEDs as a cage. She has four walls of LEDs that go up and down and then they move the set pieces in and out it was amazing it was incredible it was giving environment yes atmosphere it was not it was interactive yeah and it was it was telling a story it was really really incredible it's like i just have to compliment the vision. To say nothing of the live vocal. Honey. To say nothing of the choreo. Of the wardrobe.

Of the wardrobe. Of the commitment of everyone on stage. And you know what I loved? What I loved is that everyone on stage is living for SZA and the music. And it's like there's not a phoned in moment. And I had what I would call a cathartic emotional release do you remember to what songs well let's just say f2f at that f2f was amazing but we knew it would be nobody gets me that was a full moment and i swear she pointed at me i swear she pointed at me okay when she was on the boat so that's just the power of sisa you feel

as though she's pointing at you she's sort of like one of those what do you call it she's one of those paintings she's like one of those paintings it's actually really close to number 50 sisa she's like one of those paintings you know what bitch bitch what we have to be in person it's so different i have something to say oh my god i just want to say that i'm back and i feel sorry for these girls matt rogers i'm taking an apartment in new york is going fully bi-coastal and is taking an apartment in new york a friend of our guest i believe yes well i don't want to blow up anyone's pot too much but like yes it has fallen into my lap this sort of amazing too good to be true but i i even said to him today when i checked out the comment i was like this feels too good to be true but in

a way that will work out oh wait that's the best you know what i mean too good to be true but in a way that will work out oh i just got chills i am galvanized i'm. I'm ready to do it. I'm ready to return to New York. I could cry. And I am thrilled about it. And just even being in the presence of my, let's just say it here and now, sister, period. Period.

But to continue the sentence. Ellipsis. Makes me feel. Three periods. It's actually really close to number 70. Ellipsis. Three periods. Not more more not less

no I hate it when they do two periods go off quickly this is not quite I don't think so honey level it actually might be but I'll save it

but an ellipsis is three periods period if you've done two periods what you've done is confuse and if you're in four territory

if you're four and above regulate yourself yeah unless you're doing it for comedic you're four and above, regulate yourself. Yeah. Unless you're doing it for comedic effect. I don't even think. Which I support comedians. I do. I do.

I do. Can I just quickly say before we bring in the guests, we recorded an entire episode of this podcast, Last Culture Reasons, with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. That was lost to, I'm going to just say. Wi-Fi.

Hotel Wi-Fi. Hotel Wi-Fi. Sydney Hotel Wi-Fi. Sydney Hotel Wi-Fi. And I just want to quickly say, Wi-Fi. Hotel Wi-Fi. Hotel Wi-Fi. Sydney Hotel Wi-Fi. Sydney Hotel Wi-Fi. And I just want to quickly say, I had a great time in Sydney. There's so much that happened. I saw Kylie Minogue.

Danny Minogue came out. I went on a Kylie Minogue boat. That was incredible. I did so many things, but I just really think it's important that I say one thing from the trip, which is, I want to shout out

Lyndon Watts. Lyndon Watts. Who is an iconic performer in Australia that is a reader and reached out. He actually won the Sydney Theatre Award for his performance. For playing Aaron Burr in Hamilton in Australia. For as Aaron Burr in Hamilton in Australia. I would have killed to see. Just amazing.

And he invited me to the Sydney Opera House. They were doing a symphony of Disney songs. Perfect for you. And it was just like wow like exactly what i wanted to go see yeah lyndon is an incredible singer and performer and they're taking it on the road and i think they're doing it on the gold coast right now like if you can see this go see it you would love the gold coast honey i i know and you know where i went to bondi beach like it did get some coasting come on my skin she's, she's tan. She's tan. You came into the room last night

and you were very kissed by the sun. You know, I had a moment last night where I went into the bathroom and I looked at myself in the mirror and I said, I was on mushrooms and I said,

you know what? Girl, pick yourself up, girl. I pointed at myself in the mirror. I said, girl, look at you. We can't even.

Look at you. You're going to be be sad don't be sad and now I'm not sad I blame the sizza and the mushrooms and the mushrooms but you were I will write a book

about you someday I will be your biographer and with that and with that I love you sister I love you sister and this is my best fucking friend

I will never stop loving you oh my god never until you're a dying day i will be the last thing you see i pray in a world where i outlive you which i don't think is gonna happen you're younger god i we can't we can't even talk about death right now let's not talk about let's not talk about death because actually our guest today stars in a show about death in many ways and life and life and love and love the story of titanic is one of death life and love

rule of culture number 1912 which is the year that it's saying rule of culture number 1912 our guest is someone who i said earlier before you came in here, Matt, has sort of set tent poles for the culture at the most critical periods. Yes. Yes, she has. She has. I am willing to admit, before we bring her on, Admit it.

that we did not see the famed legendary Colors of the Wind video, which every BFA graduate between the years 2009 and 2022 has seen. I don't have a BFA. You do. I have a BFA, but in dramatic writing.

Musical theater BFAs. Every musical theater BFA from the years 2009 to 2022 has seen this video, Colors of the Wind. People think because of my musical theater personality that I have a BFA in musical theater, but i only have the personality of a musical theater bfa right and uh dramatic writing bfa is just there's a little bit more more typing well i'm the most exciting dramatic writing bfa of all time it's true as real culture number six matt rogers is the most exciting dramatic writing bfa of all time. Our guest is...

Iconica Jones. Iconica Jones. Could very well be her name. You've seen her in special on Netflix. You've seen her in maybe Sister Act in the original Broadway cast. She was in a very straight production of South Pacific, she just told me. But currently. But currently.

Hashtag currently. Starring as Celine Dion dion in i mean we said it on this podcast and we say it a lot the best show in the best you could see titanic the funniest show in new york period point blank but like to say nothing of the singing and the writing the production every element everything about it will make you feel so good and i tell everyone that i talked to they have to go see titanic and then it was as if fate struck one night it was as if fate struck one night though when i was on late night with seth meyers oh i loved the program that comes actually right after the tonight show right every night except for the weekend and the musical guest was titanic and i said i know

that's right no and the words of brooke ashley and cardi b i know that's right by the way brooke ashley the brooke ashley her recaps have been popping off i've been watching every single week every week and also i will say i have to let the readers down we don't watch vanderpump but we will start i'm gonna start he Heidi at work is like, I'm going to start watching Vanderpump because of all this drama now. I'm like, me too. Can we always call Heidi Gardner Heidi at work?

Heidi at work. She needs to come back on, by the way. Period. I want her and I go together. Yes, yes, yes. Romantically. Romantically. This is such a moment in time.

We love her so much. Oh my gosh. She is a true paragon of talent. So pour yourself some champagne, get a glass of red wine, and sit back and enjoy it because we don't have a minute to spare. This is in the words of Brooke Ashley.

Please welcome Marla Vendel! Here we go. Oh my God. I am literally crying tears. No, wipe those away. No one has ever introduced me like that. I don't deserve that. Yes, you do.

See, this is the, people often say that about themselves. You know what I say? Get on mushrooms and go to this, this is a concert. You're right, you're right. Look at yourself in the mirror. I'm so jealous. You're Receive-a-sans? Receive-a-sans.

Oh, Receive-a-sans. Oh my God. Receive-a-sans, title of app. Holy hell. Are you receiving? Right now, I am. Are you kidding? I just received that introduction. Oh God, good boy. Oh my God, everyone here is receiving. Receive a song's title of F. Holy hell. Are you receiving? Right now I am. Are you kidding? I just received that introduction.

Oh my God. Good, good. Oh my God. Everyone here is receiving. Receiving. Oh my God. And that means that there's giving happening. Oh, I'm so jealous.

I'm so jealous of that concert. It was so wonderful. It was a wonderful concert. Oh my God. I mean. I saw Instagrams too. And I was like, God, what I would give to be on shrooms. It was what I would give to be.

Yeah. And I mean, also like on shrooms right now yeah and I mean also like she came out at the end and you know she's like a New York local and just a New York local hire yeah a New York local hire

she's a New York local hire they got her for real cheap yeah yeah she came out she said it's so meaningful to be in this room I grew up in Jersey

woo cheers and then she said I think this is really funny she said I went to school near here yes I went to school near here I went to school near here

which we can all say I went to school near here you went to NYU I was at NYU dramatic writing graduate and I'm the most exciting dramatic writing BFA

of all time yeah okay I got that part wait where did you go to college I was at NYU oh my god is that where you guys became that's where we met

that's where we first sort of encountered each other obsessed that's right but you were not dramatic? I was NYU. Oh my God. Is that where you guys became? That's where we met. That's where we first sort of encountered each other. That's right. But you were not dramatic writing. I was not dramatic writing.

You were just pure drama. I was. You were just giving drama. I was giving drama. There were times where you gave drama.

You gave drama sometimes. When did I give drama? I don't know. I guess I remember. I didn't ever give drama.

You really were not the drama. I did. The only thing I did tangentially related to NYU theater was I was the voice of God in our friend Colin Kordopassi's ETW senior piece. I guess he's sort of talking about giving drama in terms of an acting thing. And I'm very much talking about being the drama in terms of like things happening.

I wasn't even doing that. No, you really weren't. But I just knew you as. So I was. Get this. There was a time in Bo and Yang and I's friendship where I was closer with other people. I can see that. I was closer with like Billy Domino, your roommate, than you.

And so I was sort of here both sides of like minor roommate conflict. Of course, like, oh, this person didn't do the dishes that night. That kind of thing. Being in the drama. Now, I also went to drama school and every single person hooked up yeah may i ask you if that happened uh amongst our community no no and there were there was crossover oh i mean we talked about this when stephanie shoe was on there was like oh yeah there was a fun little like matt was in the sketch group i was in the improv group and there was like there were like a couple

of fun little dalliances across there's crossover love it and also intra-group dating as well yes intra-group dating i mean but with the thing with like being in drama school and the fucking that happens in there that certainly was happening within nyu tish all the time oh yeah where did you go to school tell the readers cincinnati college conservatory of music that's what it sounds like one of the horniest universities yeah it's one yeah it's like the harvard or yale of musical theater in the butt crack of Cincinnati, Ohio. Yeah. We called it Gay Sleepaway Camp. Every single person was gay and if you weren't

you were, did you have gay by may? The phrase Oh, yes. And I think, you know what was really frustrating? I was gay by may. Were you? Oh, did you come in straight? I came in straight. Iconic. You couldn't wait until June. I told, yeah, no I couldn't what happened was

so I account being gay by May as if you tell anyone right and I told two girls on my floor shout out to Alexandria Toco and Katie Vincent and

love them those names they were fabulous but I told them that I was gay around let's call it February March

so I was gay technically by May by May yeah yeah yeah wow congratulations it was a March. So I was gay technically by May. By May. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, congratulations. It was a huge step forward. I think I needed to be gay. I think I needed to come out.

You needed to come out, but you came out before I did. Well, that's loaded. It's loaded. There's a lot of context there that's missing. Donyang sort of weaved in and out of gay. Same. Really?

Yeah. Oh, I came into college. I was like, I'm here, I'm queer, and nobody else is. So I'm going back in the closet. I'm now bisexual. Oh? Yeah. Oh, I came into college. I was like, I'm here. I'm queer and nobody else is. So I'm going back in the closet. I'm now bisexual. Oh, okay. Yeah.

And I was like, I'm going to try this out on the tour of the Drosy Chaperone. No. Wow. Now, were you Sutton or Beth Level? I was neither. I was a part that no one remembers named Kitty. Kitty. Yeah.

She's like the stupid one. It was my first thing. And I was like, huh huh this is my first national tour and my first dabble in bisexuality and it went okay it went exactly

how you think it would go where I was like I dated this guy and I was like this is I've never been more bored in my entire life yeah

I have to we're also in Utah this is the most boring episode of my life I gotta get out of both of these things right now straight man

in Utah what is this one of the bad scenes from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City? Yeah, exactly. What is this? A scene with John Barlow and Seth Marks talking it out? Wow, wow, wow. This is the thing that I quickly wanted to bring up. There

are videos of Marla with Brian Jordan Alvarez that are just so fucking funny. Some of the best. Some of the best. But this is the first time I saw you.

And I was like, who is that? It's a video called, it's still on YouTube, I believe. It's called How to Tell If Someone's Gay. And it's Marla and Brian are talking. The first line is, Brian goes, I'm sure this was an ad lib, maybe it was written, but Brian goes, and that's how my mom got out of jail. And then Dory Porter walks out as this guy in their apartment building. And Brian's like, oh, that's my neighbor.

I always thought he was kind of cute, but I can't tell if he's gay. And then Marla goes, this is so annoying that I'm just like repeating it back to you. No, please do, because I actually don't remember this one. Okay, great, great, great. So then Marla goes, I'll find out. Hey, you, come here. And then Dory comes over. What's up?

I like your shirt. He goes, oh, yeah? Yeah, it's fun. I'm like, fashion. And then Dory comes over. What's up? I like your shirt. He goes, oh yeah? Yeah, it's fun. Like fashion. And then Marley goes, yeah, fashion. And then her face drops and she goes, you like that? You gay?

Ends the video. And I was like, you gay? And then me and my friends, my friend Andrew Farmer and I would just watch that video over and over all the time and just say that all the time. It was our greeting. We were like, you gay?

You like that? You gay? You gay? I would tell Brian all these stories. There's another one that we did about yogurt. I don't know if you've ever seen that. The yogurt one is art. Brian's coming on the show in a couple weeks.

Brian is high art. It's been a long time coming. He's true high art. Oh, yeah. High art. So yogurt is based on my time in Cincinnati, Ohio at a Kroger's grocery store. I don't know if you've ever been. I've heard of Kroger's.

I've heard of her. My friend, Jonathan Parks Ramage. Maybe you've heard of him. Yes, yes, yes. He was checking out yogurt at the grocery store and one of the attendants picks up the yogurt and she's like, what is this? And he was like, it's yogurt. And she looks at it with this knowing smile and she was like, so this is yogurt. Where do you get this? And he was like, it's yogurt. And she looks at it with this knowing smile and she was like, so this is yogurt.

Where do you get this? And he was like, in the dairy section. And she was like, huh, I'm going to have to try this out. Thank you so much. I'm going to try that.

I'm going to try that. I'm going to try that. She works in a grocery store. You don't think that was like a performance piece or something? If it is, it's performance art.

Yeah, that's what I meant. Yes, I'm so sorry. She was trying to sell it, maybe. That's like part of her job, is like to be that woman in the aisle that's like, hey, have you heard of this? Yogurt? Looks good to me. That's really good. I don't think it was any of that. I think it was somebody who worked there,

never seen or heard of yogurt, seeing it for the first time, genuinely shook by the contents of yogurt, doesn't know where it is in the grocery store. Oh my, where did you get that? Yeah. Yeah.

Where did you get this? In the dairy section. And that's all the video is, right? Yeah, it's literally a retelling of that. Yeah. But it's 40 seconds long,

pre-TikTok, pre-Instagram video, pre-Vine, Brian sitting on the couch, Marla at the fridge, taking out, an empty fridge, taking out a yogurt going,

what is this? Yeah, it's the same exact thing.'s the same exact thing it's the same setup i think it's based on a true story so i just want to say that yeah okay so our friend who i won't name because i don't want to put them on blast this reminds me of a story that she told where she was at a party with cape blanchett she was at a house party with cape blanchett you know what i'm talking about i love this story so our friend is in the kitchen by herself like making a drink by herself the door blows open kate blanchett academy award winner kate blanchett lydia tar pre-tar coming out but earlier last year storms up to her gets very close to her face and goes do you know what this is and holds up up a bottle. It's a bottle of vermouth. And our friend says,

it's vermouth. And Cate Blanchett says, but how do you know that? What? And our friend says, well, it says it on the bottle. It says vermouth. And Cate Blanchett says,

oh, I can't read that at all. And leaves the kitchen. Stop stop it i'm telling you i think that that is such an act really thing jonah jones and even the person who checked out at the grocery store that is like a beautiful acting exercise even just of discovery of like yeah what is this yeah yeah we would have learned that at acting school. Oh yeah. How to discover. Honest discovery is, what is that?

Yeah. And even that wasn't that good. But it's so hard to do. It's very hard. It's so hard. Very difficult. Honest discovery. First of all, like,

okay, so when you had graduated this school, CCMD. CCM. CCM. CCMD. But CCMD, the doctor.

The doctor of musical theater. CCMD but CCMD the doctor the doctor of musical theater CCMD like I can see like who'd be who'd be really good as the star of CCMD CCMD

Hilary Duff Hilary Duff yeah oh yeah she'd be amazing she'd get it greenlit for sure yeah yeah yeah

Hulu is on board yeah do you feel at the end of CCM you're like okay yes I'm ready oh my god

absolutely we were trained to be musical theater, fembot, robots. Assassins. Assassins. Wow. Assassins. I mean, did you feel the same way?

I mean, I walked out being like, if I don't get a job in literally six months from now, I'm going to SOS, which I thought was shoot on sight. I thought SOS was shoot on sight. Here I am. Oh my God. Here I am choosing violence literally yeah honestly wait

that is shoot on site no it is save our ship we have to get you inside is so much better can you confirm google please confirm whether or not and then get back what you're finding it's not a shoot on site no because it would be so mean to be like so strong and wrong positive that it's save our ship and then all of a sudden we find out it's shoot on sight. But that was the internal voice

literally saying word for word, if I don't get a job in six months, I'm going to SOS. I'm going to SOS. I'm literally going to SOS. Oh my God. And then I did it. Okay.

God damn it. Yes. God damn it. Wow. Actually, yeah. I'm so glad it's not shoot on sight. Could you imagine? Me too, because that's just not energy.

No, no, no. It's violent. Shoot on sight. It's real violent. But we came out as violent musical theater robots. Yeah, yeah. Like ready to take over New York by storm. Yeah.

But we were primed to do so. I mean, but the colors of the wind thing is a perfect example of like someone singing bad no it's not even singing badly it's Josh Sharpener and Jackson explain it perfectly it's the game of this is she makes a choice every choice is the wrong one and that is perfect it's a perfect comedy piece in that way

what I love about it so much to be honest I think it's the best work I have ever done in my entire life you're doing the best work of your career right now every night on Titanic on off Broadway thank you so much but I do think that it's the best work I have ever done in my entire life oh my god you're doing the best work of your career right now every night on Titanic on off Broadway thank you so much

but I do think that it was the best work because this was pre I mean I'm dating myself but this was pre everything pre YouTube so this became viral by people emailing

to each other and then and then it was like a Sasquatch kind of like who is this woman so then people thought that it was real

people thought that it was a real 40 plus middle aged woman that was auditioning earnestly doing it 40 a real 40 plus middle-aged woman that was auditioning. Earnestly doing 40 plus. Yeah, 40 plus, which LOL, I'm pushing that now. But it was a 40 plus woman auditioning for like Disney Cruise Lines. So when I started working at Ellen Stardust Diner.

You did not. You did not. She did. You dropped, you worked at a diner earlier. I did not know it was Ellen Stardust. Oh my God. Ellen Stardust Diner worked there and so someone one day

came up to me and was like have you heard this woman this 40 plus year old woman auditioning and I was like I hate to break it to you but that

this is me no and that little girl was me Kamala Kamala vibes oh my god it was Kamala vibes

so then what did she turn to stand like she was like oh my god I'm in the presence of the iconica it was a he so she turned to stand so she said did she turn to sand like she was like oh my god I'm in the presence of the iconica it was a he so she turned to sand

yeah she was working at the L.A. Star Center she gay she turned to sand and then they would people would make me because you have to wake up

you have to start singing at 7 in the morning oh my god it's like they crack the whip so like on the morning shifts I would sing Colors of the Wind as that voice

and the tourists would be like what in the actual hell is going on? Listen, we're here at 7.30 a.m. for some eggs and some Broadway adjacent vocals. What is this garbage? Yes, that's exactly what it was. Oh my God. But Colors of the Wind truly is,

everyone, you must watch it. Yeah, you have to. Because I think we're the last people who've seen this. You definitely are. And we watched it in the pines too. We watched it in the pines. Isn't that weird? We had never seen it. Yeah, you have to. Because I think we're the last people who've seen this. You definitely are. And we watched it in the Pines too. We watched it in the Pines. Isn't that weird? We had never seen it.

And the entire Fire Island Pines house that we were with was well versed in it. They're like, oh wait, here she goes. The ah! Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the way, because we were exposed to that, I was so on board immediately with everything about it. They were like, well, you have to go see Titanic i and then you showed up in the front row yes i bought my ticket to titanic that moment honestly shout out and then like i got back and i saw titanic and i turned to my sister metaphorically because i don't believe i was physically in the presence but i

texted you and i was like you gotta get down here yep and then i knew it would hit hard with you and then i went on today text right away wow and then matt and i went I was like, you gotta get down here. Because I knew it would hit hard with you. And then I went on today text right away. Wow. And then Matt and I went, I was like, Matt, you went together with me. And then it was the hardest I've ever laughed at a show. We were screaming. I am so, you don't understand how much that means to me. Because I consider

you two to be like some of the funniest people I've ever seen. Stop. So for you to say that It was, it was I will never forget it i feel stupid that i've only seen it twice but then i honestly okay so what happened was my parents had come in i think maybe it was for the fire island premiere uh-huh or something something was happening and they were in town and i was like i think i have to take them to a matinee but then i was like you know what i'm just gonna buy you guys tickets because I feel like if I go again they're gonna be like no

like you can't be back a third time this soon you can what's crazy I was telling Bowen it's like a gay football game there was some guy in the there was some very enthusiastic fan in the front row the other day and like when we were all doing the sing along at the end he was like great job I've seen this 15 times

it's like Rocky Horror I literally just said that oh my god great job. I've seen this 15 times. It's like Rocky Horror. It's like Rocky Horror. Yeah. I literally just said that. Oh my God. Yeah. It's been crazy because you're never going to see the same show twice. Yeah.

It's true. Because when I did, I did musical theater for like a decade before I was telling Bowen this before the show, before I was like, I can't do this anymore.

I got to get out. Right. You do the same thing in musical theater eight times a week. It's too much. And so now we have this beautiful part

where I get to improv and do whatever the hell I want. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And because it's too much and so now we have this beautiful part where i get to improv and do whatever the hell i want yeah yeah and because it's so balls to the wall yeah insane people never know but you're never gonna get the same show twice yeah that's so funny i was talking to john riddle and he was saying the same thing like he was very disillusioned with the musical theater of it all not to speak for him but like no i feel like i feel like you don't really get the opportunity to do something that feels as alive as this correct and that is like before i saw that show i remember feeling like i i saw into the woods and your show titanic concurrently two nights in a row and that was the first time i had felt really excited like lol was the pandemic but i had seen

other theater and i was just so i felt drained because i i came in like really excited and wanting to experience it again but everything was feeling really stale to me yeah and so i feel like you don't get the opportunity always to not only see but perform material that feels so fun and that the audience is really there with and it did feel like a great marriage of like great broadway caliber theater and you know comedy like especially in that space which was the old ucb at the time you know like but it felt like that perfect marriage that honestly made me fall in love with the type of comedy i wanted to do yep you know that we did back in the day because bowen and i did musical comedy kind of exclusively

there for like a few years yeah musical comedy is like the best kind of comedy and in my opinion if you get it right like it's there's nothing more transcendent than that yeah it's like the art of singing combined with comedy i mean we always said of titanic we were like we wanted to be like a musical snl like we wanted to be like hard comedy yeah and i think one of the things that made it successful is that when we were doing it in los angeles i moved out to la i was like struggling writing for years and i i was like well i guess i'm gonna wind up at this other dinner theater where i'm going to perform while people are eating french fries and fish and red sauce and and we wrote this and i think that i think the beauty of it is that we didn't have producers at the time so we were like let's just

go balls to the wall let's make each other laugh What is funny to us? And so it exceeded all of my expectations when we then took it to New York to be like, is this funny or is this just like LA funny? Because, you know, there is a difference. Right. Okay. So, and because you've said this, like, is this just LA funny or is it also New York funny? Like, do you have a sense of like what that difference is now? Well, when we were in Los Angeles, so we were doing all of these movie to parodies in la with constantine with constantine that's where i reconnected with him we were doing like devil was proud to beverly hills scream and la loved it because there's no musical theater in los angeles right and so this was very it was a movie so everyone from la could get it because it's such a film-based town and there was pop songs and it was kind of like ratchet

and grungy and so people loved it. But New York is completely different. Yes, there are jukebox musicals, but like there's a high level of taste. Right. It's more discerning. Exactly. Yeah. So when we started doing Titanic in Los Angeles, I was like, maybe this could work in New York. But we all have absolutely no money.

We're so poor. So I asked everyone to fly to New York on their own time, put themselves up do a week of readings in new york just to see if it was like worthwhile and if we could even sell it out and and we sold it out and then in that week david foster's manager came david foster's manager so then he got david foster there and uh eva price the broadway producer came and in like one week everyone it was like divine intervention. Wow. Like the stars aligned, everyone came on board and we really we made it a thing. So is it

a thing where, because I have had this question because you guys, like for those of you out there who haven't at this point at least Googled it or didn't know already, it is a jukebox musical of Celine Dion's music telling the story of Titanic as if it was from Celine Dion's perspective if she story of Titanic as if it was from Celine Dion's perspective, if she was on the ship.

It's completely unhinged and insane. And it is told by Celine Dion songs. Correct. So was there any like, I guess David Foster coming as him being like, okay, how are they using a lot of the songs that I've written? Correct. Because he wrote and composed a lot of those. He wrote a lot of those.

So what we had to do is we had a music lawyer come. This like minutiae but we were doing it in these spaces that had like ass cap licenses over all the songs so we didn't have to buy the rights to the songs but when this was becoming a professional thing when we were going to do it in the theater then we had to get a music lawyer and so we did lose a couple of the songs we lost all coming back to me now i was wondering why that one wasn't there i heard that that was like the thing we because that's jim steinman and and that was written for meatloaf yeah we lost power of love because celine dion didn't originally sing that wow and we lost that's the way it is to ann juliet which is the other jukebox max martin which by the way i did see ann juliet i liked it very very much i recommend everyone see ann juliet it's a blast yeah it's a

blast just to give another shout out And yet I never walked away I never had the thought walking away from the show going I wish they had sung like that handful of songs That's great to hear Because I cried Of course Because that was the original way into the world

She was like let's see what else do I remember Such a natural one to one So we had to change things and we had to put, thankfully, she has so many iconic hits and they're all so theatrical that we could put anything in there and it would work. But we did have to do like some, you know, jigsaw puzzles with the songs in order to make it work.

Even the ones that feel more B-side-y. Well, I was going to say, like, I rediscovered I Surrender after... after unbelievable that's like maybe my top three by the way shout out kelly clarkson singing that on american idol for me first ever hearing that like she sang i surrender and it was like the top four and i was like what the fuck is this song like it builds it builds and builds yes it is oh my god it is really good but that even like seduces me i didn't know of it either and i consider myself like someone that knows selene but i was like what is this and then i was like oh it seduces me which you don't think

deep cut yeah we had the show must go on which was is that freddie mercury yeah yeah so we had that and then we were like oh people, people are going to be too confused. Sure, sure. So, I mean, all of the songs, the fact that we have cleared Beauty, we got Beauty in the Beast.

I know, that's amazing. That is a wild card. I know, that's a wild card to me. We got River Deep and that's in Tina. Oh! Yeah, I was like, we're not going to get that.

Like, there are so many things that I'm shocked that we did get and I'm so happy that we were able to build a musical because essentially when we first started doing it we just took the songs totally

yeah you were like let's do it for fun not thinking well I mean in the back of my head I was like wouldn't this be so fun

if it like just became a thing but you know that thinking that and then that becoming reality are like so separate and when it actually does happen it's just like it's mind blowing

what's mind blowing is the bridge between now it being a huge hit and like the story you tell of like you and Constantine just like it's mind-blowing what's mind-blowing is the bridge between now it being a huge hit and like the story you tell of like you and constant you just like after a show or at a bar or something just being like him being like what if it's like titanic but told like but it's a jukebox celine dion musical we were at we were doing dinner theater in los angeles and it was like after like scream and we were like both like a little bit tipsy and he's like okay the next thing that we should do here is Titanic with all Celine Dion songs

you'll be Celine I'll be Jack genius idea it's one of those ideas that comes along and you're like well that can possibly work the muse strikes

the muse strikes and I can say Constantine Rizzoli star love him so funny and a really really nice guy

of course great guy he says the same about you by the way I love him give him my best I love him so much I adore him yeah yeah he feels the same well when he by the way. I love him. Give him my best. I love him so much. I adore him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He feels the same. Well, when he told me that idea, I was like, in my head, I was like, cool, cool, cool. Tight, tight, tight. Never gonna happen. He was like, you'll be Celine.

I was like, no, I won't. I was like, this will never happen. We're actors in Los Angeles. We can't get together for lunch, let alone write a musical. See you in five years. Right. We'll be loose touch.

We'll be loose touch. But we just started writing it for fun it was and we would write in constantine's apartment on monday literally for fun this whole thing was like all the best things yeah really and it can just be that it can and you forget i know you forget that it can just be that it can just be jamming out but at the time we were i was like i had no money completely unemployed no prospects and so i was like oh i guess i'll just and writing i was writing so much selling things but making like no money just like crumbs and i was like oh i guess i'll just do this thing and i'll just waste a bunch of time on this too so the fact the fact that what is ironic to me after moving to los

angeles to be a writer that i the only thing that i've ever gotten up off the ground is a musical uh-huh when I left musical theater it's just it's just so ironic to me it finds you it's really I mean you're meant to do

what you're meant to do I think yes I agree you were at sea and then this like you know this thing came I was literally at sea literally

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that's in the Titanic for SNL I was like this will be whatever who cares like this people might not get this we have to talk about this I was like okay yeah I'm sure people might not get it whatever and then the reception of it, I was like, wait a minute, of course.

Everyone's going to get it. It's monoculture. Yeah. It is. Titanic is like the ultimate monoculture to me. Like people all over the world know this front to back. People all over the world know Celine Dion front to back. So it's like they're both,

Celine and Titanic, the movie, are both kind of doing the same thing separately and together where it's like this thing that people, that is universally known and appreciated and loved. Everyone can put themselves into it. I have Titanic material too. Really? It's really fun.

In fact, my first screen test for SNL, I did a Titanic bit which was this gay guy on the Titanic while it's sinking telling his friends they should not have booked this cruise. LOL, that's really funny.

He wanted to be on the Mauritania, which had enough lifeboats and also much better nightlife. That's really good. So funny. The Titanic is literally

sinking and he's so cold. And he's so pissed. And then you have one line that's like, because we all own textile mills. We all own textile mills. We have the money.

We have the money. I don't know why we're, because they're in third class because they heard that's where the hot guys were. That's really good. What I love about Titanic and Celine Dion

is that it is a Venn diagram of both, like heteronormative culture and complete camp homosexual culture as well. And so that's why I think it really touches the lives of truly everybody.

And it was before a time when people were like questioning whether or not that was okay. It was just because it was monoculture and it was for everyone. The gays were seeing it and getting the camp of it. I mean, I don't think anyone will ever forget where they were when she turned around in that fucking hat. And a star had already been born. She's already an Oscar nominee at the point. Like people knew who she was.

That was a superstar moment. Oh my God. And notice, I say nothing about Leo. Because for gays, it is about her. And it's about the song. And it's about all that. And it's a little bit about Twink Leo. But not really.

For the straights, it was. Leo took over the culture in such a huge, aggressive way. In your queer brain, you're like, okay, but what's the other thing? Yeah, like what's fringe for me here? Yeah. And it's the hat. It's the hat. And it's the corset scene.

Oh, my God. Oh, the corset scene. The best scene. The best scene. It was also all of our sexual awakenings because I feel like we're all kind of within the same age. And so I just feel like it's like 90s nostalgia, camp, straight. It's everything. It's everything. It's Jamie Lee. It is all of us. Oh it's everything everything it's jamie lee it is all of us oh my god it's jamie lee it is all of us by the way readers we

did fully get into the arias on the last episode at this point we're probably done talking about it but we'll never be done talking about it oh my god well we didn't say anything that no one else hasn't said we were more commenting on like cringe culture which is my culture yes that's what i learned when that happened i was like i live for cringe culture right that is defining culture for me yep that is it yeah well i mean the number one moment in culture history on the on our top 200 moments of culture is adultism it's the most euphoric moment of all time. Which isn't even quite cringe. It's just impacted

everyone in the exact same way. It is pure serotonin to think about that moment. I'll never forget. I was sitting in my living room with Amanda Shackman. I will never forget too. Never forget. I was sitting in a living room in Park Slope with Amanda Shackman and he came out and I thought

the joke was, john travolta is sort of giving the presentation for this like iconic gay song i was like this is already funny to me and then when he said adele dazeem i just screamed who and then when they cut to adina oh that face that face terror terror and you know she already was feeling shook about having to sing it in the first place oh my god second place that was defining cringe culture i mean for me it's like knowing that she has to sing this really difficult song she has struggled with live was it let it go it was let it go yeah that's a tough one that's a tough one and john travel i'm sorry like just appearing as he did and saying andel does bowing his head a little bit with the confidence

it's the confidence yeah i'm sorry this goes to what you were asking me like what is defining culture for you and i thought long and hard about it and oh good let's go into this it just it's a great segue please because i never even realized the term cringe culture but that's okay i'm gonna go back yeah to like watching old reality tv shows when it first came out there was a show called hey paula i don't know if you remember the life and times of paul abdul show yeah when she is asked to choreograph the brats doll 2 movie and the penultimate episode is that it falls apart and she's no longer going to be on it and she starts crying as if her dog her town her family

has been stabbed murdered and burnt to a crisp and that to me was that's when I knew that something was wrong inside of me yeah because it was so cringy and so that it just brings it full circle yeah I that was the defining moment where I was like, I am obsessed with cringe culture. Wow. Show girls. Angela Bassett did the thing. All of that. I cannot get enough of. I know.

Were you a fan of The Office? No. Okay. So, so that, what, is that cringe culture though? Because that's like entirely cringe humor. Yes. So maybe you'd love the television show The Office. I probably would.

But sometimes it makes me so uncomfortable that I can't watch things. But when, but when things are delivered with such confidence. Right. There's like, it's like a glitch in my mind. It's like I explode inside. The ultimate sort of comedy. Sorry, not getting it. I'm getting a little academic.

It's like I always think of it as like there's an error in stimulus. Something is being you're being stimulated by something that is wrong. Yes. That is the Paula. That is the. something is being you're being stimulated by something that is wrong yes that's exactly what it is that is the hate policy and some people can really withstand that and some people

really can't like can't even watch it can't even be in the room like cringe culture drives them up the wall but then some people spin the cringe culture like I don't know

if you've seen Elizabeth Berkley on Instagram she's come out with a whole new line of merch I know a lot about Elizabeth Berkley

on Instagram me too it's kind of amazing she with a whole new line of merch. I know a lot about Elizabeth Berkley on Instagram. Me too. It's kind of amazing. She's released a new line of hats that say like Versace and all these things. And she's really, really taking it to the next level. When you know, like when this came out, when Showgirls came out. Shameful. I'm sure that she, if there was a Twitter, she would have deleted it.

Similarly to Ariana. Totally. Do you know what I mean? But now she's just like, again, she's like, it's a receivissance. She's like, okay, I received that. I'm taking it. I'm turning it into something beautiful. Yes.

And honestly, like what I will commend, if not Ariana DeBose, then at least her team about is the very quick pivot to, it is funny. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, cause it can't have felt good. It's like what Diana did when Diana came out being like, it is campy. Yeah. Oh,

right, right, right, right, right. Yes, it is campy. It right right right yes it is campy it's like did you did we all think i don't think that that's the intention i think it's

played as seriously as possible and then when we all start to catch on and it becomes meme culture then they're like oh okay this is actually what it is right see and like at least there's an element of it that can be celebrated in this way whereas other things when they're just bad like you almost wish they leaned into like a correct yeah or cringe moment like correct i'll say it like say because why not i did see bad cinderella oh my god i want to see it so badly it reminds me of wonderland yeah i i did see it um i saw actually the second night it was on i really wanted to go the first night because i wanted to be on the ground when it happened. Talk about wanting to do shrooms and seeing anything. For me, it's that. It's bad Cinderella. I don't

know why. And you know what? All I had was like a dirty Shirley and it really should have been more shrooms. Yeah. But I will say this, like, okay. Go off. And this has nothing to do with any performer in the show. They all really are great and committed. And I love

Grace McLean and like i love carolee carmelo and they're so brilliant everyone's so good it's just like andrew lloyd weber at his most like limp yeah so it's just like you've heard all these like messes of notes together before and like and the story really doesn't go anywhere interesting and i feel bad because like so would you call it camp i actually wouldn't and i almost think i think they're trying for camp and i think the performers want it to be camp but the material is just not really camp because i don't believe it was written with the intention of bad. And this is the thing. And that is

camp, right? And the conversation about camp, which is like, I think has been especially relevant since that Met Gala year. With Celine Dion. So, perfect example of Celine, right? It's like something that is executed

in bad taste but presented with the confidence of it being good taste that is I think what is pretty fundamental and so Angela Bassett did the thing it was like a performance of like this is good it was not meant to be this

it is not aware of it being bad and bad Cinderella it sounds like they're trying to like it's the cycle now is very short between like putting something out there and then quickly course correcting me being like oh actually no we we meant for this to be right a little bad it's not camp it's just not very good and i feel like the performers are maybe even trying to, and really almost succeeding in fooling the audience into thinking that it's camp, but

their performances are also good. It's just a good performance of bad material. That's not camp. I would say what is camp is Colors of the Wind. Marla doing Colors of the Wind. It's the kids doing patty kick. It's the balls bouncing up and down.

That's literally camp. It's literally like this is bad and it's us pretending on stage that it's good and then you fool people at Ellen Stardust being like,

who is this woman who's auditioning for Disney Cruises? Who's this perfect woman? That is the perfect example. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. I am camp.

I am camp. Yeah, say it. I mean, Titanic is like titanic is high account it's camp because like you know just even the way like the way that you sing certain notes like people wouldn't do that because they wouldn't because it's not written to do that but you do it and we understand it's a reference to celine but also like an intentional heightening of the moment and a blowing out of it also just like the anachronisms everything the fact that it's like and selene dion was of course on the

ship you know that's wrong you know what i mean it's flat out wrong it's flat out wrong it's just not true and so that to me is like falls more under the definition and knows itself yes yes you know what i mean like one must know thyself it's actually rule of culture number 59 one must know thyself the oracle in the matrix i believe that was the oracle that said that first okay this is random and i just want to touch on it briefly do you did you ever see andrew lloyd weber dj with countess luann that's that is like the ultimate meme yes yes okay great i just want to make sure that we all saw that i mean that is that is like a moment that is like oh that's fun like he must know what this image is maybe he doesn't maybe but the thing is i'm confused about andrew lloyd weber you know what i mean i'm confused about it

and like maybe it's i just never meant to get it and won't get it but like him posing with the countess here's the thing about the countess the countess does not camp because the countess goes out there and is like every time they drag her on like real housewives at a reunion or something for being a bad singer she gets really hurt and offended and it's like so you don't know that you're not great and she'll say things like i mean i'm not whitney houston but she's and it's like no no you you cannot sing and and that's okay like I went to the show I had an amazing time I said this after I saw Countess she is a star

yes she holds the room right love but even when she gets vomited on right oh that moment

did you see the video of that no there's a video of the woman oh really there is video now no I actually have severe vomit phobia so I'm so

well you wouldn't have liked me in Sydney I threw up in an Uber at 33 you did 32 my last you got so drunk i was so drunk and like jet lagged jet lagged and also like i'm doing great

now but it wasn't my it wasn't my best month of my life and so like i sort of went for it like one night in sydney i was rotating margaritas espresso martinisinis, fireball shots. And I took an edible. And I'm telling you, this poor Uber driver in Sydney, like, I swear to God, I've never been so humiliated in my life. And then especially me walking in shirtless because I ruined a great tank top to my hotel. And they say, sir, you can't come in here like

that. And I turned to them and I do remember this. I said these words verbatim. Oh my God. I don't want to be like this. Oh my God, that is so so dark You can't write that But yeah ruined At least that man's night But I did zell him By the way this is also so funny

With me being like do you have zell And they do I zelled him $400 So drunk and so sorry Yeah yeah Like so drunk and so sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So drunk and so sorry.

My whole Sydney experience. So drunk and so sorry. Oh my God. But like wow. Wow. When in Sydney. When in Sydney. I mean, it's a drinking town.

It was worth trying. Yeah. It's worth trying. They drink hard. Oh my God. They go for their what is it? And they party until everything's open until like six or seven in the morning. Is that true?

Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I went with family. It was too wholesome when I went recently. But oh my God. and they party until everything's open until like 6 or 7 in the morning is that true? oh yeah I went with family it was too wholesome when I went recently oh my god in Melbourne there's a place called Pooftuff

which is a it's like a gay club they have like a pop room on like Saturday nights you go you stay until like 6 or 7 in the morning it is incredible

it's like 3 stories of just music and dancing and people go off yeah Ty Sunderland was in World Pride Sunday because of course of course icon a lot and people go off. Yeah. Ty Sunderland was in World Pride Sunday because of course.

Of course. Icon. A lot of people were down there. He was at Puff Duff. He was DJing at Puff Duff. It's so fun. Are you going out after shows? Never.

I'm a zombie. I'm a rot. I call it rotting. I literally rot until the sunset and then I do the show. That's so funny. I just talked to John Riddle

who's on vacation and he described what he was doing on vacation as rotting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is the perfect description. That's so funny. I just talked to John Riddle who's on vacation and he described what he was doing on vacation as rotting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is the perfect description. That's me on Sundays. Yeah, yeah.

I cannot do anything. The first week I was like, me and some of the other castmates were like, this is not going to be, okay, we're here. This is going to be three months, you guys.

We're going out. We're living our lives. We're not getting stuck into the routine of doing eight shows a week and going home and doing nothing. Literally, I'm out for a week. I go out for one drink.

I get COVID a week and a half into doing nothing. Literally, I'm out for a week. I go out for one drink. I get COVID a week and a half into the show. Oh my God. The show closes because I give it to five of my cast members and I have,

literally, it's now eight months and I have never recovered. I do nothing. I cannot go out. Because I was going to ask, like, that has to be hard.

The show's hard. The music is hard. It is the most singing. Even for you, you're an amazing singer. Oh, thank you so much. And also, it is the most even for you you're an amazing singer and also that's getting lost like you are an incredible life i never led sister thank you please go look it up yeah incredible thank you it this is more this is actually harder and more than sister extract i thought was the hardest singing well i mean the the nuns and sister

had to like score out to the heavens including me right but this is even harder and higher and like you know the riffier than that but it's not so much the singing it's just the energy that celine diana you have to bring you have to be you're inhabiting her and you're doing the you what you described as the impression is um you're smelling a fart and so you go yeah oh my god somebody farted okay i think it was me yeah that's it the entire time yeah she's always in disbelief about something

and she's always just like looking around but that is hard to sustain honest discovery honest discovery oh yeah

this is yoga yeah but that is you're in that for two hours yeah and I don't have any lines with any other cast members

I don't know how I've oh yeah you're pretty much just narrating I'm narrating the whole thing and so and my scene partner is the audience so it's like so much energy and you're info dumping and oh yeah yeah yeah it's info wars yeah it's literally info wars it's actually number 70 titanic is i want to know

what is the what is the most fun song to sing that you guys the most excited about still and what is the most difficult song to sing that you get are the most excited about still? And what is the most difficult song to sing that you get the most trepidatious about? Oh my God. The first 20 minutes of the show, I want to SOS myself. Oh my God. The first, it's I'm Alive,

which is the easiest song of hers to sing. And then Taking Chances, which is the highest song of hers to sing. The first 20 minutes. Sorry. Sorry. It is I Want to Die. I am so nervous that I am shaking in the first 20 minutes. Before. I was going to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is, I want to die. I am so nervous that I am shaking in the first 20 minutes.

Before every show? Every single show. Did you see you get nervous? I enter, oh, my stage fright is, I have musical theater mental illness. And I'm very open about that. I suffer from such horrible stage fright that I am like shook for the first 20 minutes. Really? Once I get through Because You Loved Me, which is in the second act, and then I have to sing

the hardest songs, which are I Surrender and My Heart Will Go On. Those are a piece of cake. But I have to get through, oh, also the bridge of To Love You More. You know, when she's like,

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. It is so high. Yeah. They're all, they're actually all so hard. Also, not for nothing, but whoever is singing,

I think it's the Barbara track is maybe, until him. Kathy Deitch? I saw it with Kathy Deitch. It was Kathy Deitch, but whoever is singing, I think it's the Barbara track is maybe. Until Kathy Deitch. I saw it with Kathy Deitch. It was Kathy Deitch. But now I sing that top part. Oh, wow. That's gnarly.

That's hard. Gnarly. Help me! Oh, that, that, that. That, whenever we're like lip syncing it, which happens a lot. Yeah. I always go like this. Do the nose.

It is cuckoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the sound has to go through your top of your head yeah everyone is singing from our show we call it laser cat it's like it's like all here it's here that is my voice third eye yeah my voice is in my third eye oh my god yeah i mean that's what you want no it's great it's great that's that's ccm that that is ccm everyone's a laser cat right everyone sings Everyone sings like this. I love it though. I mean,

like I remember like when you grow up on like pop music, right? And you're listening to like Celine Dion who sounds, all kinds of purposes,

sounds like she is screaming belting. But it's just like a powerful sound she can make. But it's so easy. And then you go to like see live theater

and everything. I remember like when I first saw like Wicked, it was like, it had to be the 900th replacement cast. I was like 16 years old and the Elphaba insulted us when she literally went. I saw like a Wednesday matinee and it was, it was so limp dick.

It was bring me down. I was like ready to SOS. I was ready to S sos in that moment um and so but i was just like yeah but i guess like you do have to have those moments where you're like sorry y'all i'm healthy right now oh right if you experiencing it on my tour like it's like you know it's hard to be hard and if you can do it, if I am not feeling at least 90% well, then I can't do the show. Like, you can't be sick. No, of course.

Because if I was, I would rather, I would SOS myself on stage. I would call out of the show if I had to go at the end of Wicked. Like, that is just, that's a crime. You can be arrested. We agree. I felt like, you know what sucked? Someone could come up to me on the street and punch me in the face and i could sue and i can't i have no course of legal action for what happened which

is worse that's it's so awful like i have no there's no i've met with lawyers i'm like what can i do because part of me was like if i knew any better if i was like a demand your money like gay now i might have marched to the box office and been like for what she just did and also it was the understudy for stephanie j it was not stephanie j so i didn't even get stephanie j i didn't get stephanie j into the woods but she was great the understudy was fantastic but stephanie j is like i mean that's like the pinnacle for me yeah she's like the pen ultimate she will come on and i mean so get this greatest voice it was supposed to be stephanie j block and annalee ashford and we got annalee ashford who was

stunning yeah and now tuesday i'm going to know for um that i'm talking about for wicked i saw annalee oh my god oh my god and i'm going to see sweeney on tuesday good i i heard that it's annalee's show oh I can't I can't wait I love how much I'm so jealous of the amount of theater that you see this is what he does

he just buys tickets every night I get stoned and I just buy tickets so tonight I'm seeing Jessica Chastain in Doll's House tomorrow I'm seeing

Sweeney Todd Wednesday I'm seeing Ben in Parade oh my god Friday I'm seeing Camelot with Taylor with Taylor Trench

and Pippa Sue and then Saturday before I go to SNL I'm going to see Betty Who amazing Oh my God. Friday, I haven't seen Camelot. With Taylor. Oh my God. With Taylor Trench and Pippa Sue. And Pippa Sue. And then, ooh, Saturday, before I go to SNL, I'm going to see Betty Who. Oh, amazing. At Hammerstein Ballroom. Oh, so fun. And then I'm going to go to SNL starring Bowen Yang with host Jenna Ortega. Oh my God.

He's got a good week. Yeah, you being like, I'm having a bad month. It's getting birthday week. Yeah. Well, this is why, I mean, like whenever I, I mean, whenever I, but like, I've gone through some things. And so I was just like, you know what what how do i get out there and be busy and do things i enjoy and it's theater for me like i love it i'm telling you like when i saw titanic it did something to my spirit oh yeah it really did it like defined my summer seeing that show i was like

this all like is coming into view. It was amazing. And we wore our hats. It was like a tentpole in time for me. I remember that summer. I'll think about that summer. I'll be like, oh, Fire Island came out and we went to go see Titanic. Yeah. Truly.

Oh my God, yeah. Those are the things from that summer for me. Yeah, Fire Island came out and we went to go see Titanic. And also, we were so busy that to then have a moment where we could just literally enjoy ourselves. And also, I will say, to be in that space felt so cool. that to then like have a moment where we could just like literally enjoy ourselves and also i

will say to be in that space felt so cool and now you can't go to the old ucb theater anymore but i was like wow they really found a way to use this space for the power that it has which was i always felt like the reason why it created such great actors when when ucb was occupying that space was because you could do something really small and they would feel it everywhere. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to go all the time.

Oh my gosh. I used to take improv classes and when I actually did have a life, I would go from Cinderella to go watch a UCB show. And I was like, yeah, it was wonderful. R.I.P. UCB.

I know. The only thing that happened that was shitty to us is when Gristiti's closed before UCB did, all the rats came down to the basement. No, no. YeahB I know the only thing that happened that was shitty to us is when Gristiti's closed before UCB did all the rats came down to the basement no

yeah yeah yeah in that little hallway oh yeah in that hallway that wretched hallway that's where our dressing rooms were and we would have to pack up our set every single night and so it was like us

and the rats oh my god I mean talking about yeah I literally was bad Cinderella it was me and the rats okay so then like RIP that space

but you were you were done with that we yeah we were done and then Daryl Roth is like amazing and beautiful and I do have a special announcement to share

yes please we have been officially extended for a fourth time amazing what's your plan till September 10th I completely forgot

oh my god amazing congrats you guys that's incredible we just go on and on and on how has it been with rosé she is oh my god can i just say something yeah have you ever met her before oh yeah yeah she is the kindest superstar loveliest person her voice is incredible she's an incredible dancer she's been the most gracious wonderful humble person such a beautiful addition to the cast i cannot say enough great things about her oh she's so good and she is so

grateful to be a part of it and she was like this is like a new chapter for me doing theater like i didn't think i would do it and i was like this is your path right now it's saying like do theater so just like stay here and like have fun yes i remember when when ros rose won the rusical rue said to rose like it's just really amazing when you get to see people do what they were born yeah yeah and i was like that's so real i mean like they do have such a powerful stage presence and like you know the thing about like drag races just because you get on that you don't necessarily get the opportunity to showcase your main talent correct and so like you know of course you know rose being a finalist like got to do all these different types of challenges and stuff but you don't necessarily know that you're gonna get a season that's like

heavily reliant on what your skill is and like to even make it that far because you might flop in a design challenge or an acting challenge and not get to sing. It happens sometimes where you don't find out someone's really good at something until after the show or a second All-Stars thing or whatever. Monet Exchange, we didn't hear the opera sound until All-Winners.

Or All-Winners. Are you watching Drag Race this season? Of course. It's getting fun. Now that we're down to the final seven, I'm like, okay. The narratives are very fun and clear. I like that they're willing to be villains again. Yeah.

Mistress is giving full 23-year-old energy. I love it. No, I know. I love it too. Of course you're 23. She's 23. Or she's like 25. She's young.

Young girl. This makes me want to die. No, no, no. It's that like zoomer millennial cusp thing where she's like i'm gonna be like chaotic yeah yeah yeah yeah which like great bring it back it's gonna be i mean like if the top three four is i think it's probably gonna be i mean for me when i saw that lip sync with sasha colby number one no sasha colby is the winner but Anitra has a fan in me I am just watching her lip sync

that amount of times and to only have technically one once was like whoa I love the lip sync Lollapalooza I love Sasha Colby I think that she is such a star

and I like that she's one of the older ones too yeah because now I feel so old watching Drag Race yes with like the TikTok

listen okay hot take I love Sugar and Spice I think that they're so beautiful I want to if they were women I would have sex with them

yeah yeah I mean they're hot they're beautiful they're beautiful and hot boys too hot Twinkie boys loved them

loved them but I feel so old watching the show now sure well because I think the 15 is kind of reminiscent of season 7 when it was like hot boys too loved them but I feel so old watching the show now sure well because I think the 15 is kind of reminiscent of season 7 when it was like

acknowledging the fact that there were like Instagram queens and this is the first season to acknowledge that there were TikTok queens what's next? I don't know

I think nothing nothing I think nothing this is next I think SOS yeah SOS I think SOS soon oh man no I hope not no no no not when I have this like is next. I think SOS. Yeah, SOS. I think SOS soon.

No, I hope not. No, no, no. Not when I have this SZA night. Not during my new Charizard era. Not during Pisces season. Not during Pisces season. Do you know about the Charizard era? No, what is that? You're in your flop era. You're flopping. If you're really evolved, if you're operating at power,

you're Charizard. You're on your Charizard. You're in your Charizard era. Charizard? Do you know about Pokemon? No. It is like a... Because if she knew

about Pokemon, she wouldn't sort of say Charizard? I'm so sorry. No, no, no. We're not making fun. Who is Charizard? Is that a Charo's cousin?

So that's Charizard. Wait, someone should create a Charozard. Like Charo as a... As a Charizard. Charizard. So that's Charizard. Wait, someone should create a Charizard. Like Charo as a Charizard. That's funny. Yeah, so basically, I think you're in your Charizard era. So I had a flop era? Well, I did.

No, no, no, no, no, no. It does not imply a flop era. But it just means you're in a great time. Yeah. Okay, great. Yes, this is my Charizard. Yes, yes, yes. You said it. This is my Charizard. My yes yes you said it this is my charles era

my charles era yeah yeah i like that this is my charles era in the dairy section what is this do you know what this is but how do you know yeah i can't read that at all that is so good so do you not read i? I think what was intuited was that she wasn't wearing her glasses. Right. You know what I mean? By the way.

What if she couldn't read? Lea Michele Part 2. I'm just going to conspiracy theory. Oh my God. Conspiracy theory. Info Wars. I mean, listen,

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So this is our last episode before the Oscars. Let's discuss. I've watched nothing. I'm not going to lie. Really? I've seen nothing. So you've not seen everything ever once? Oh, I have seen that.

Have you seen Tar? No, I have not seen Tar. First of all, you have to see Tar. Oh, I know, because everyone's like, you're Tar. And I'm like, I don't know what that means. I don't think you're Tar. I'm not rich, but it's like, you're giving Tar vibes. No, I don't know what that means I don't think you're tar I'm not rich just like you're giving tar vibes no

I don't know about that that's not a compliment no I'm assuming it's not that's part of the that's part of the conversation around tar is like is tar

is tar iconica or or is she flop era flop era she's flop era okay

but in an iconic way okay but let's give final predictions is it Cate Blanchett or Michelle Yeoh I think it's Michelle I think it's Michelle I think everything points to Michelle I think the sag win is giving Michelle

almost all the precursors she's won no Cate was on a roll Cate won a lion's share of the critics awards she won the critics choice award she won the golden well they both won golden gloves yes that's right but i think that the juice was with kate and then michelle winning the sag and then michelle also winning the indie spirit award for best lead performance which combines men and women right right right because then the gendered categories are sort of on the wayside yeah yeah yeah

I'm curious to see when the Oscars do something with that because it's gotta be coming there's a campaign for it yeah for sure the thing about the Tar thing

is a lot of like the meme-y discourse around it is like are the jokes that she's like a real person

right like oh Tar is gonna be on Sesame Street whatever you know like and so I think that is kind of like a subliminal thing of like oh C's gonna be on Sesame Street whatever you know like and so I think that is kind of like

a subliminal thing of like oh Cate Blanchett rendered this character so in such a way that like genius performance that people are like she's a real person it's like Slenderman in many ways Lydia Tara Slender Woman

in many ways but I think that like this is the way I feel about it is there such equally powerful iconic signature

individual performances in the way that and the readers hear me say this ad nauseum but my thing with the Oscars

is could anyone else have done it? Like and could anyone else have done it this well? And I feel like with both of them the answer is no but for me when it comes to Cate Blanchett done it like and then could anyone else have done it this well and i feel like with both of them the

answer is no yeah but for me when it comes to cape planchette she's got so many wins and nominations already at that ceremony and in her future you can see that there's so many more nominations yeah i think for michelle yo this is her first nomination after the incredible career storied cinematic worldwide career that she has and i'm sorry but in the current landscape of the way the film industry is you don't know that she's gonna get another opportunity to have this type of thing so it's like for me it's like i understand being cape planchette stan and and i ride hard for cape planchette i've said many times our greatest living actor but you gotta give it to Michelle Yeoh for me.

I mean, for me, it's so amazing, the performance. It's so amazing, the performance. A thing in her campaign has been, I've waited my whole career for this script. Yes. You know? And I think she's knowingly sort of putting out there that I really gave this my all.

This is it, you guys. I mean, not no. I think that's a huge second win for her, which is so exciting. But I just don't know that you can say, we see this opportunity to give this woman the best actress Oscar, and we're not going to do it.

Because there's an equally incredible performance, but for someone that already has won twice, and likely because of the way that careers like hers go will have maybe even like i compared her career at this point in her life to meryl streep meryl streep has had many nominations since she was kate blanchett's age and i would put them in the comparable conversation in terms of roles that they're going to play and let it be known kate blanchett will be nominated for more oscars and i just think don't waste this chance right to give someone their flowers that has done so much so incredibly well and means so much to so many

people like it's to me it's a no-brainer i think it's it's a shoe-in for best picture because yes i i agree i mean well i haven't seen anything else, but it was truly one of the most revolutionary things. And graphic, just masterpieces I have ever seen in my life. You know what's funny? I would personally give Michelle Best Actress, I'm

rooting for Stephanie for Best Supporting. I mean, it's so cool. She's an old friend of ours. She's incredible. And I would give Key best supporting actor 100% and I think it's close for me between

and Tar will not win best picture but for me my favorite movie of the year it's very close for me Everything Everywhere All at Once and Tar

like those two those are my two favorite films of the year same those are my two favorite movies of the year Everything Everywhere All at Once

is like this amazing reinvention of a thing that's already felt like a st year Everything Ever All At Once is like this amazing reinvention of a thing that's already felt like a stale trope in Hollywood which is like

multiverse movies yes and like even people at Marvel like I I think I've heard through the grapevine people at Marvel

being like they did it better they did it better and with Tar I feel like it's an amazing movie.

It's a great satire in a lot of ways. It's a fantasy about what cancel culture is. Yeah. Because the way she ends up is not anything that actually has happened to someone in the real world. Right. You know? Literally, the ending of the movie is so funny and shocking. Yes.

And you're supposed to be like that is like truly outlandish you gotta see it I'm going to are you off tonight? I'm off tonight maybe you watch it tonight I'm actually stopping by Ellen Stardust Diner

after this and then to say eat it girls eat it can you imagine they do use my name they do?

of course they do that's so exciting they have a bucket they have a tip bucket on the hour every hour that they go around and they get money's so exciting they have a bucket they have a tip bucket on the hour every hour that they go around and they get money from the tourists and they're like and they're like we have success stories oh my god they made a titanic themed banana split sunday take a picture are you gonna sing a song absolutely not yeah i'm off. I actually hate live singing.

And then I'm going to watch Tar. I'm going to force Connie to watch Tar. You know what? Yes, yes, yes. Do it. Oh, is Connie back from skiing? Yeah, yeah.

And we live together. Oh my God. Yeah, non-sexual life partners. Where's the pilot? Yeah. Beautiful. Wait, and also I want to shout out Connie

because the sort of first time I saw Connie perform was in cruel intentions the musical which does a very similar thing yeah because our friend who i mentioned earlier amanda shechtman was swinging and she was on for the sarah michelle geller lead for like a couple weeks and so i saw her and connie do that because he was the ryan philippe yeah yeah part and what i love what she told me which i I'm going to ask him if it's cool if I share this,

but he said that a lot of cast members of Cruel Intentions would come to the show. We were just talking about this. And he said that Reese Witherspoon, when she came, was like, I can't really look at you because you remind me too much of my ex-husband.

And like actually was like, you were so great, I can't engage. Because I guess that was the movie where they met. Yeah where they met and so like it had to trigger her in like a crazy way Tara Reid also came Tara Reid of the iconic have you seen that video of her being like I'm gonna look hot in it hot in it I'm popping it I'll send it to you it is absolutely you must send it she was like wow man that was super awesome man

he played her as if she was like like a high frap bro being like whoa man That was super awesome He played her As if she was like A high frap row Being like Whoa man That was super awesome man You're doing a good Tara Reid Crazy man Oh really Yeah

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You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. We have to move on, I think. We have to move on, I think. Yeah. It's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. Oh, shit. have to move on i think move on yeah it's time for i don't think so honey okay so this is our big segment really where we take one minute to rail against something in culture that's chapping our fucking ass and not in the charizard era we don't stand for it um i have something

okay that i think people can relate to i really do those are the best ones relatability is clutch clutch any real culture number 51 relatability is clutch. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, when you change the name of the group thread. Don't do that!

Oh, yeah. Because I'm trying to find you guys. And if you change the name of the group thread, like, I don't think so, honey, because what are my search words? Where are my girls? You know what I'm saying?

Especially, like, you pithy gays out there, like, trying to make your little jokes. Like, I don't know what's topical. At the time, I'd have been your little jokes. I don't know what's topical. At the time, I'd have been busy that day. I didn't know that Angela Bassett did the thing

is now the name of the group chat. I knew it was happening on Twitter, but let me go get to know it on Twitter first, and then I can know it's the group chat. My favorite name of my gay group chat recently was Women Talking. I want it to be called Women Talking. I love when women talk

and share information in a group chat. And that's the way to move forward. But then, lo and and behold i don't think so honey when i go back 15 seconds and it's some reference to something else and for a while my gay group chat was having a lot of fun with the name tar and then it was women talking oh that's really good and i don't think so honey that we had to move on from that right now it's weather with the tar tar thing over the e oh that's great because LA has crazy weather I don't think so honey and that's one minute

yeah that is very real this is so scary I cannot do this yes you can stop it I'm about to really just give you a different flavor but you know this

I know this and I think I know who is changing the names in this group sometimes I change it too well then you're oh then you're just you're the culprit

you're complicit if you can't drag yourself how are you gonna drag somebody else can I get an amen amen with the with the tilde tar

yeah but sometimes I do it I like consistency familiarity I think we have a group chat that's been the same for a long time

yeah twink cores and now it's just cores 2023. Yeah, because we updated it at the year. There's vernacular. Please explain. We had some bit one day in the chat of like,

oh, we're all going to core a twink. Get cored. We're going to get cored. It depends on what the sexual identity of the group chat at large is. For a while, we were like, we are the cord. Because we were bottoming a lot, but getting cored out. And then we the sexual identity of the group chat at large is. For a while, we were like, we are the cord. Because we were bottoming a lot. We're getting cored out. And then we were the corers.

It's a gay thing. It's a sexual thing. It's disgusting. Well, gay is disgusting. And that's one of the rules of culture. Rule of culture number two. Gay is disgusting. And then we have another group chat called the coop. The coop. There's a whole story there

but we're basically like a chicken coop yes you got it or a coop we're the hens and we pluck okay love it

we're the hens and we pluck anytime we're about to meet up with the can't wait to pluck can't wait to pluck very music man very music man

sometimes you talk a little when you throw out the feed that means you're sort of like seeing if the coop is going to come out that night. I love that.

I support that. Being cored. You don't like that? It is upsetting. Not in your bag house with you and Connie? That is exactly what it is. I do identify as a gay man. That's exactly what it is.

I knew you were that girl. I knew you were that girl. I have one. a gay man. That's exactly what it is. There you go. I knew that. Yeah. I knew you were that girl. I knew you were that girl. I have one. I love when you have one. It's personal. It's personal. Ourselves and I. We got some listening to do.

Period. And it's to Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. And one of the things that's going to happen is I'm going to get my phone out and hit the thing. Bowen Yang, your time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey honey. And one of the things that's going to happen is I'm going to get my phone out and hit the thing. But Wenyang, your time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. The Uber driver in London who pulled up to the side before letting me out, he said, I have to show you something. I go, what? He goes, your Uber rating. It's low. I said, what is it? 4.8. I said, that's low.

He said, that's very low. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, I have not vomited in a single car. that's low. He said, that's very low. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, I have not vomited in a single car. I'm quiet as a mouse. I'm not disruptive. I'm always on time. What could this possibly be? So Uber,

I don't mean to be all call the manager right now, but talk to the manager right now. I'm a little Karen, but I need to make this right because this driver made it seem like I was 15 truly like

persona non grata in the streets of London and I need to be taking these cars cause you work there I work there now and the tube is

really a maze and I don't really know how to navigate it that well oh my god that's one minute and that's one minute

I would say I'm truly distressed it's crazy that you got dragged for a 4.8 because after my experience in the in the uber in sydney i'm i'm at a i'm at a 4.6 wow but is that even low which means he yes it means he gave me like a zero yeah yeah i mean it means he looked at the state of his car and was like let me get on this app girl let me drag my girl to hell oh my god i don't care how much money they zelled oh my but to be fair like no offense you did deserve that do you know what i mean i really don't know what i could have done i know what you did that happened to me someone was like

you recently got a low star rating i was like excuse me i'm there literally at the second that they pull up i say hi how are you i don't say a fucking word and i drop them off as thank you so much i always tip them 20 five star ratings across the board i was like what did i do Literally at the second that they pull up, I say, hi, how are you? I don't say a fucking word. And I drop them off. Thank you so much. I always tip them 20%. Five star ratings across the board. I was like, what did I do? And then you can't like go back. I mean, Connie isn't here to call you out because he probably observes your behavior.

I observe your behavior. And I know what you did. And I've told you this before. I walk into the street. Not that. It's the way you get into the car. You crawl on the seats. I'm not getting them dirty. Bowen, they street. Not that. It's the way you get into the car. You crawl on the seats. I'm not getting them dirty.

Bowen, they don't know that. And maybe you are. That's not going to warrant less than a five-star rating. And readers, readers, reach out with what you think. But when you're getting into a car. I don't want the input, actually. Listeners. They're the readers.

They're the readers. Readers. So listen, readers. When you're getting into an Uber, when you get they're the readers so listen readers when you're getting into an Uber you go foot first and the foot hits the ground Bowen Yang crawls knees first into the car I've never seen anything

like it and yes you do sort of like you are one to sort of really make yourselves known in the street like Bowen is I wouldn't describe you as patient there have been no sort of really make yourselves known in the street. Bowen is... There have been no incidents. There have been no incidents. Why are you rating low then?

There's no moment where some driver could go, oh no, that's a demerit. You know what I'm saying? But you're incorrect because you've been demerited and told by one of the dolls themselves. You've done wrong. You can't call them dolls. No, they're the dolls.

Uber dolls. You whack. This is the fight of my life. I need to get this back up. Do you feel like you physically could change? Like, could you change? Could you go? I'm on my best behavior.

Not that I wasn't before. That's the fucking thing. I would get in trouble in school for not even doing. You're indignant. Huh? You're indignant. Well, I just, this is like a triggering thing for me.

Like, I don't know if you guys were those kids in school who would get in trouble for like not doing it. It would depend on the teacher. I guess it would depend on the teacher. But I felt like I got dinged a lot for like nothing. And I'd be like, there's literally like a kid doing drugs like two desks over. What are you doing? Those teachers are scared of that kid.

Fuck. I mean, it's whatever. Bowen, you're going through it. I'm going through it. People need to, I think people look at an Asian boy and they go, I'm not afraid of him.

Oh my God. I'm bringing race into this. Yeah, I get it. You would if you were. Let me tell you something. If I was not white, I'd bring race into it. Yeah. And I'm bringing race into it right now. And that if you were. Let me tell you something. If I was not white, I'd bring race into it. Yeah.

And I'm bringing race into it right now. And that's your right. Anyway. I'm sorry. Thank you for following me on that. Okay, so listen. They're both so good.

Don't worry about it. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that, you guys. It's not like that. It's really not like that. What you need to say about I Don't Think So Honey is

I'm gonna try that. I'm gonna try that. Yeah. Wait, also, don't let me forget. Before we end the episode episode I have to show you a video I have to play something

for the readers and us all okay after Marla's I don't think so honey and before we sing the song okay I mean

okay oh shit all right this is Marla Mandel's I don't think so honey her time starts now okay mine is musical theater specific

I don't think so honey hashtag first day of school do you know what I'm talking about anybody that's in musical theater that's on Facebook I'm on Facebook which also I don't think so honey hashtag first day of school do you know what i'm talking about anybody that's in musical theater that's on facebook i'm on facebook which also i don't think so honey for me drag me to heaven back anyone that's on facebook that's also an actor which is all of my friends post a picture of the script being like hashtag first day of school right i'm here to tell you musical theater is not school i don't think so honey i went to school for musical theater basically you get a degree in air.

I have a certificate that says I can tap dance. And you know what you can't parlay tap dancing into? I don't know. Financial planning. I would go to school for anything else besides musical theater because you can probably make more working at the MTA than you can doing the regional production of Derby Dinner Playhouse's Cats, which I did when I was 20 years old

on Pop Brownies the entire time, and I made $300 a week. So basically what I'm saying is I don't want people to cancel musical theater, but I am asking everyone to cancel actors on Facebook. There you go. I think so, honey. Yes, perfect.

And I think we can do it. I think we should do it. I think we can all get on board with canceling musical theater. Cancel me first. I'm going to say this. All actors, too cool for Facebook. You're too cool for it. I think we should do it. Cancel me first. I'm going to say this. All actors too cool for Facebook.

You're too cool for it. Yeah. I obviously am not. No. No. And I'm telling you you're too cool for it. Why do you find

yourselves on that still? Okay. I find myself on it because honestly Connie will drag me for this. We got an apartment. I was like, we're going to get

everything on Facebook marketplace. I'm not paying top dollar. I'm on Facebook marketplace an hour every single day looking up everything asking hey is this available and i never follow through ever i don't buy a fucking thing so then i've done it for eight months there should be a legal course of action no no sue me literally sue me take me off the platform i don't deserve to be on there connie is you might be deplatformed i should be i should be i should be i'm only on for the marketplace that's literally it and yeah but what a sorry thing to be on there. You might be deplatformed. I should be. I should be.

I'm only on for the marketplace. That's literally it. What a sorry thing to be. So you don't need it then? I don't need it. Because you don't buy anything. Because I don't buy anything, but I'm always like,

I want to get a deal. I see like John Riddle's apartment. It's beautiful. I'm so not surprised. I got it on the marketplace for $5. I'm like, okay, I want to do this.

I can do this. I forget about the marketplace. I forget about the marketplace. No, that's actually valid. The marketplace, it's like me, the first thing I look at, okay, I want to do this. I can do this. I forget about the marketplace. I forget about the marketplace. No, that's actually valid. The marketplace, it's like me, the first thing I look at,

not Instagram, it's the marketplace. Wow. I'm like, oh, look at this West Elm Chez for $500. Maybe I should get it.

I send it to Connie. I don't do anything about it. That's so healthy. It's toxic. That's so much healthier. That's healthier than Instagram though. Yeah, it is.

For sure. Oh, so much healthier. Oh my God. Like, forget it. The thing is, listen,

what I want you to do, I want you to buy one thing this week yes on the marketplace that is actually a great goal can you reach back out so that we can tell the readers that you did it

and what you got yeah and just tell what you got send in a voicemail can you send in a voice memo yeah yeah we should do we should try to do one

in person episode while I'm still here I know that you're literally about to be in full ass work yeah yeah so you probably can't maybe Thursday maybe Friday maybe I'll be around

okay but I would like to do a culture catch up with just you one person if that's possible to build it into your schedule which already has no free time in it the way I demand but I will make the space for you that is my love but what I demand of you

is you send in a voice memo describing what you bought and for how much and describe how it felt. Yeah. Ultimately, I think it'll feel humiliating. I can say that right now. Just be like,

hey, will you accept... Well, then it's already humiliating. You know when you're always like, will you accept $125 for this instead of $150? And you're like, oh, I got to steal. I got to steal.

That is not humiliating. Really? That's like bartering. Basic bartering. I know of $150? And they're like, oh, I got a steal. I got a steal. That is not humiliating. Really? That's like bartering. Basic bartering. I know, but it just makes me feel like icky inside. No. No. Okay.

Okay. Thank you. That's like part of it. You know what? You guys, you helped me. I'm going on the marketplace right now. Thank you. I'm getting this painting that I've been looking at.

You're going to Ellen's store? So you have an idea of what you want to do? Yes. A painting? I have a painting. I want to get real art. Yes. That's been like my newest thing.

We bought a shitty poster. It looks terrible in our apartment. And we bought something that we called Teal Wicks, who have a painting. I want to get real art. That's been like my newest thing. We bought a shitty poster. It looks terrible in our apartment. And we bought something that we called Teal Wicks, who's an actress. Basically, we got a teal storage locker. It looks terrible in the apartment. We call it Teal Wicks. And I'm like, Teal Wicks has got to go with this poster.

And we're going to get a painting instead. Amazing. I know, that is my apartment journey. So you already know, you can already mission shop for it. I'm going to mission shop. Amazing. So you're going to go to Ellen Stardust tonight. You're going to take the picture with the banana split.

And then I'm watching Tar. You're watching Tar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're going on Facebook marketplace. That's the order. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you. With that, I have this.

Okay, this is the beginning of a porn, of a gay porno. And you know how sometimes they'll do like a scene in the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the best part. Oh, no. Let me set it up. Okay, so there's two gays on a couch. On a couch.

And one gay says to the other because it's kind of muffled because they're porn actors they're not good. He says the sound on set was not Iconica Jones. The one gay says to the other, have you seen this? Watch this.

And then here we go. Have you seen this clip? Watch this. Gays just know how to do stuff. Jennifer Coolidge. Single all the way. And for some reason, they're watching the clip.

You're always obsessed with me. I don't know why. I like it. She's so funny. She's right.ays do not have this stuff and then they start making out

she's right gays do not have this stuff and then they start making out and hooking up can I say it has gotten to the point

where gays really are trying to murder this woman yeah yeah yeah it is not just a line from White Lotus we have to stop this behavior I could call out

specific people we're killing her we're making her into a gay meme and it is not Not just a line from White Lotus. We have to stop this behavior. I could call out specific people. We're killing her. We're making her into a gay meme and it's not going to serve her going forward because now she's in this porn and these gays are acting badly around her and now people, what if she became best known for this?

It has the power. What you mustn't forget, for some reason, the meme treatment of Jennifer Coolidge kind of takes something away from the fact that she's this like

groundlings legend like comedic legend who's been on like every Christopher Guest meme it's like show the woman some respect it's like you guys

it is so funny I'm gonna retweet I'm actually gonna retweet it from the account right now okay and I'm liking it too that's insane

it's it's beautiful and it's been posted by at computer underscore gay at computer underscore his name is matt he posted it on march 4th i've retweeted it by the way one of them they're both like twinkie one of them's wearing a smiley face t-shirt there's like a lower third where the video pops up and you see the jennifer cool scene which i it has to be illegal. Oh, lower third. Oh yeah, picture in picture.

Picture in picture. Right, right. PIP, SOS. And so, then the gays watch it and the one gay says to the other, she's right, gays don't know how to do stuff.

And then they, I guess, ostensibly fuck and now I am curious about watching the rest of it. I mean, it got my attention. Yeah,

of course. For a gay man to say, to watch a Jennifer Coolidge clip and go, she's so funny. She's so funny. She's so funny. And they thought,

you know how we're going to get our porno to go viral? We involved Jennifer Coolidge and God damn it, they did. And we just helped it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right.

We just signal boosted. Well, this was a phenomenal episode. Oh my gosh. Thank you so much for having me i don't deserve to be here that's not you must stop this that's how i feel no honestly i'm starstruck we were so excited wait when i first wanted to go see the show and i sat in the front row you came right over to me and like looked at me and i was like oh this must be the seat of the person that

she looks at she must do this and then afterwards I came up to you and I was like we've never met I'm such a fan you said I know who you are and I was like there's no way because you are

an idol to us but you are simply iconic to me Iconica Jones Iconica Simpson Iconica Jones Simpson and Iconica Bonita Brown

Bonita Brown oh my god I mean you gotta see Titanic it's now extended through September September 10th September 10th I bet there's another one after that brown ponina brown oh my god i mean you gotta see titanic it's now extended through september september 10th september 10th i bet there's another one after that but i would not be surprised i guess but you you have to probably be the one to end it right you're probably going

to be the one that has to call it because you are celine i mean they'll listen at this rate it's gonna be like hamilton do you know what i mean like they'll be like australian celines they'll be are you eligible for any awards for this i think i might be eligible for like off-broadway awards maybe the fysc fysc starts now yeah i mean i think so drama desk maybe i i don't know we're gonna get all of them yeah start the campaign start the campaign we did lose to the queerties to drag the musical we're all queerties losers here really yeah i lost like several queerties did you really i was like gay gangs of New York. I took nothing home.

I'm a what's-her-face. Wait. Susan Lucci. I'm Susan Lucci of the queer days. What did you lose? Oh, best. I lost best comic. I love that for you.

Lost best comedy show. Fire Island lost best streaming movie. What? What won? And we also lost best podcast. Wait, what? Yeah. Rigged.

It's okay. There's other hardware. So this is. Yogurt. Again, this has been. So's other hardware so this is yogurt so this is yogurt I'm gonna try that where did you get that it's time to

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