Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Luke, You Are My Fodder" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: February 24, 2021

A sea change in the Las Cultch executive branch! Meghan McCain has resigned from our Board of Directors after blocking us on Twitter and then publicly flopping so absolutely hard that we have to spend our time and energy on it in this episode. That bullshit, WandaVision and how it was Agatha All Along, plus a revisitation of Mean Girls and how Rachel McAdams as Regina George both captured and influenced a generation of social terrorists in our high schools. Are you interested in the style evolution of both hosts over time? No? Well, we also talk about The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, so just hit the 15 second skip when we start chatting about how, as teens, we used to rock jeans and flip flops on the regular. Stop when you hear us rescinding our idol worship for Mary M. Cosby. Whatever. I'm getting cheese fries. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Wow. It's a morning episode. We've never recorded in the morning. There are a lot of firsts happening today. This is our first morning episode. Oh, for you, it's the morning there's a there are a lot of firsts happening today this is our first morning episode oh for you it's the morning but back in the day when we would go into you know

downtown la let's say or every now and then when we would go to like we would go to the studio um that would those would be sort of morning episodes and how do we ever do it i really can't even i don't have the sense memory of us like getting up in the morning. I know that it happened. I just don't know how we did it. But remember when we do three episodes in a day? Girl. The marathon that that is. The marathon that that has, the true like overextension of labor that that has. Girl, when we were in LA just for a couple of days, we were like, we have to fit in everyone in the city.

And we'd do three episodes in a day, two days in a row, and then be exhausted. And mad at each other. And I just want to say, the reason we're, just for transparency for the reader, the reason we're recording this during the day is because I texted my sister and our

producers and I said, I need the mental health night. I'm sorry, y'all. He needed a mental health night. And that's because I believe you're overworked. Girl. I'm just going to say it. Girl, you are really breaking ground with this. Wow.

You are the first to say. I'm kidding. I feel like y'all are doing five weeks in a row and that is pandemic only culture, SNL culture, because that would never happen. Oh, but you know what I wanted to say? This is something we can talk about because I actually,

unless you don't feel comfortable talking about this. I feel comfortable about talking. You'd be shocked how many things I feel comfortable talking about. Well, we have to talk about this. For some reason, you said something earlier that made me think about the view and you were just blocked by a view co-host well i'm so happy

that you brought this up and sort of teed this up because i think this is this is this is the story this is a story and not only is it the story in this podcast but it's also become a trending story in the culture yeah which to me is always, whenever I feel like something happens here and then cosmically, it's like the fates decide that we're going to get a response from the culture, capital C. I get rock hard.

So last week on the podcast, we sort of, the three of us, Bowen, Sam, and myself, by the way, what a great episode. What a great episode. Love him. So we had a thrill of an episode and we sort of touched on Meghan McCain. And I said, well, if you really listen to the content of what she's saying when she trends, you'll notice she constantly makes it about herself. It's always about her.

So now, a few days later, I see that she has blocked me. And I'm like, that's interesting because I've never once added her ever. Never talked, never tweeted at her. Only said what I said on the podcast. So I reached out to a source that I know. You reached out? I reached out to a source and I said,

yo, Meghan McCain blocked me. What could be the tea on this? Yo. And this source said, oh, absolutely one of her gays told her. And then he said, in a parenthesis, chills. And I said, yeah, a chill ran up my spine when I thought about what it must be like to be one of her gays told her and then he said in a parentheses chills and i said yeah a chill ran up my spine when i thought about what it must be like to be one of her gays so then i was like oh

she blocked me whatever then she gets on the view this week and says this stupid shit about how it's crazy that i megan mccain co-host of View, don't know when I'm getting the vaccine. And I'm over Dr. Fauci. And Biden needs to fire Fauci and get someone in there who understands science. This is barely paraphrasing. No, no, no. You're basically quoting her. So basically, she trended for being an idiot and making it all about herself and just being that kind of spoiled person that cannot

help but make this situation about her because it would be one thing if she's just like voicing a frustration about vaccine rollout and about like the plan of the vaccine because i get that but to say i megan mccain co-host of the view must know when I'm getting the vaccine is just so tone deaf in presentation of your argument. But that's her. I'm sorry. She gives off like only child vibes, but she has like, you know, five siblings. She has many siblings, but you know, I believe she believes she's the favorite. You know what I mean? Like, whatever. I don't know. It just feels like she... The whole thing,

the reason she keeps trending is because she is speaking with, like, zero self-awareness. Mm-hmm. And so it just... She just catches herself in these, like, moments of, like, pure solipsism

where she's like, my reality is the only reality and my title is co-host of The View just makes it so that you would think that I would have access to the vaccine. Or entitles her to more information. You know what I mean? It's crazy to say that out loud,

but then it's just so in line with what her deal is that i had to laugh because you it wasn't even like we were reading her down no for like for like something that was inappropriate like didn't comment on anything but what she says and how she presents her ideas, which is very self-centered and very spoiled. And it does come off this way. And I didn't say anything about how it's hilarious to watch her say these things with her hairstyle looking the way it does every day. I didn't drag her for her styling. And if her gays are the ones putting her together in the morning,

then I say welcome to the resistance gays now i feel like there is such a culture war happening among the queers where it's like oh hell's kitchen gays versus whatever gays but i feel like the real sort of the first thing we have to like rally around is is really kind of vanquishing these megan mccain gays i mean there's at least like two of them there's you there has to be at least two because one has to be doing the hair the other has to be doing the makeup so basically it's like we know there's at least two megan mccain gays out there and we should also say at this point she's resigned from the board she's resigned from the board of lost culture is this it's just abby huntsman i mean i'll have to check in with abby about that because i don't know if she'll want to stay on the board

of directors of lost culture is this now that megan mccain has resigned because i'm assuming this is all a resignation i'm assuming her blocking me and i'm sure because there's the thing it wasn't just me you also went oh no you went off so maybe she blocked lost coach too who knows i didn't i didn't dig dig deep this this is just my general philosophy now when i when we talk about people on this podcast i go i think what's the worst that can happen i like with diane story with justin timber like with megan mccain it's like i take a shit next to them in the bathroom like who cares like there's no I don't have to like, I will not be forced to really work with these people in a way that I am,

that I feel like cornered into, like, you know, like I'm not going to like have to like sit down with any of these people and be like, well, sorry about those things I said, but I guess we better get to working on this like award show presenter bit.

Like, you know, like, yeah. I mean, unless you get on The View or something. And at that point, it's like, if either of us were ever on The View,

I would turn to her and I would look her deep, dead in the eyes, and I'd be like, ask whatever question you have. Because at that point, this is the thing, though. Everyone that you just mentioned, we didn't say anything untoward about them. On this podcast, we respond to things that happen

in the culture so if you put your foot in it and you're part of the culture you become fodder bitch you become fodder girl and i can't say if you become fodder that's your that's that's that's what you are that's your funeral sometimes all people, all they are is fodder. Fodder. Luke, you are my fodder. Luke, you are my fodder. I am your fodder. I believe it goes, Luke, I am your fodder.

I think you are my fodder. Because Luke is fodder now. Because Luke is in the culture. Luke got his foot in it. Luke got his foot in it. Luke got his foot in it. All I'm saying is I don't feel bad about any of this because ultimately it's like, and I did like, I texted you and I was like, after I saw that she blocked me and I was like, I was like, were we like disrespectful?

And you were like, girl, no, she's completely self-interested. And then I thought about everything she's ever said, because yes, she's completely self-interested and then i thought about everything she's ever said because yes she is like anti-trump but she says some things where i'm like god like she really dies on that she's so pro-gun in a way that's like so strange to me and i'm not saying like people can't be pro-gun, but she's angry whenever the topic of gun rights comes up. And it's like, to ignore the fact that there needs to be a conversation about gun ownership and gun usage in this country is, to me, insane. And she also goes off about abortions. militantly pro-life to the point where it's like, what is it with pro-life people where they can't understand the argument that this is different for every woman? I understand that you yourself

are pro-life, but it gets to the point where it's like, you would really see laws passed in this country that would restrict abortion access for women in this country who aren't as privileged as you, who aren't in the positions that you are in, who may need to have this done for the life of themselves or the baby. Like, it just is crazy to me, these like pro-life conservative women who then want to, you know, blanket like what they think for this entire country. It's just so inappropriate, and she is that. And that's to say nothing about a litany of other issues that she takes conservative stances on. The fact that you are concerned about whether or not you said anything, about whether or not we said anything disrespectful about her is such a mean this is this is someone who is like volatile and whatever

i mean she's just someone who like constantly is is so easily perturbed by things that like it's not ever it's not about about anything we did specifically it's about the fact that she is in this like mode of existing to to she's waiting to be incensed all the time that's it I don't know we don't align on anything with her politically

beyond just basic things that should be agreed on no matter what I don't know, I don't, I don't really feel any sympathy. Megan McCain is like, at this point is Bugs Bunny to me, you know,

she's become Bugs Bunny. And we just got a really, like we, I just want to kind of retroactively say that the Wendy Williams documentary, that our conversation about Wendys was maybe overly like sympathetic because this is a woman who like started rumors that like tupac had aids and that like you know like diddy was cheating on like i just like she started gay rumors about everyone and she knew she knew what that was going to do in that particular community too and she knew what

she was doing w Wendy has caused harm. Megan has caused harm, unfortunately. We, there was another thing too, that she said that really bothered me, which was she came back from maternity leave. She took a very long maternity leave. And she came back and she said, you know what I actually realized?

We need paid maternity leave. Yeah, dumbass. And everyone there was just like, yeah. And Whoopi was like i mean we've been saying it and i think that they were like cool good that you say this now and i'm also like we say a lot i think i've said a lot on this podcast like i'm if someone wants to arrive on the right side of an issue like great whenever whenever that happens i'm happy about it you know what i mean like i don't yell i'm not the kind of person that's like wow really now like i experienced some of it with like the britney of it all like when i tweeted out like you know

this documentary is about a misogynist society i got a lot of responses that were like yeah duh and so i i'm i'm not the kind of person that's gonna scream yeah duh at someone but this is an example of kind of what i'm saying it's like it's almost like things have to happen to her people like this like need issues to be personal in order for them to be felt at all and that's i guess my problem with everyone who's like a quote unquote traditional conservative and anyone that's conservative anyway, is it feels like there's a complete disregard for certain issues that just are never going to affect them. So, for example, like, of course, they're all going to be pro-life because it aligns with their like, you know, religious sort of upbringing probably. And it's just like this sort of moral superiority that they all have because they don't have to actually encounter and like grapple with a reality where it would be life or death for them in terms of needing an abortion. That's just not part of their experience.

And so when she says something like that about paid maternity leave, I am frustrated because it's like, so you really needed to go through this to understand why this would be a viable thing. And I could tell that she was sort of like, this is going to be my olive branch to the liberals today. And it's like, yeah, cool. Thanks. I'm glad there's someone saying this on television. But for her specifically, it bothers me when she arrives late to these issues because she has the capability to be on the right side.

She never is. Never is. 80% of the time, she's just digging her heels or she's doubling down on like a stance she knows is not controversial, but she's just like very much like, I'm dyed in the wool Republican from the 80s. Like I'm dyed in the wool Bush era, Reagan era Republican. Right. And you're like, okay,

great. You're so slow on like moving along the curve that it's meaningless at this point. It's just laughable when you say shit like, wow, there should be paid maternity leave. It's like, oh my God.

Yeah, no kidding. It's just like, and it's just so insulting to women. I think like for her to be someone who has been around for so long to only really be saying this now and saying like, let's make an issue of it now. Like, let's make it a thing. Like all the women of the view going forward. It's like all the women of the few really be saying this now and saying like, let's make an issue of it now. Like, let's make it a thing.

Like all the women of the view going forward. It's like all the women of the few have been saying this. And again, like if people want to arrive on, on the right side of whatever issue, that's fine. I just, I don't.

And I say this, like being someone that watches the view a lot and has for many years. And I've been familiar with her for many years i don't think she's very smart i think she understands the structures and um i think she understands the ways in which politics works and i think that she has a deep understanding of how washington runs but i don't think she is um very self-aware i i think that she has a bloated sense of herself that interferes with uh an ability to be truly empathetic and i i don't think that she is a good co-host of the view and i kind of wish they would move on because i think she makes the show very

hard to watch because i think a lot of her arguments are just frustrating. I really think that she represents going back to a time that was the most harmful where there was a lot of inaction and quote-unquote reaching across the aisle. She is like, I mean, I think on a producer

level, they love her and they have to keep her around as much as, as long as they can because she is like the new Hasselbeck she is like the person in the on the panel who's like making headlines and like getting the show like little blips of like not press but just like oh the views back in the conversation the views trending because Meghan McCain's trending because she said the stupid thing. And Meghan probably knows to keep flicking at that nerve, honestly.

Yeah, I mean, she's a provocateur, really. Not in a way that's like... And that sucks. Because I do believe she's like... Her and Ben Shapiro have... They're not politically identical, but they have that same instinct to say some bullshit to get everybody pissed off. She knows what words to use.

I think she's adept enough at provoking interest in her. So she knows to go on TV and call Rush Limbaugh a titan of media. Meanwhile, she didn't say anything positive, quote unquote, about him, but it's that kind of language where someone gets on TV and says, Hitler was a great man. And they don't say it like he was a good person.

They said he was an influential person. They still know that they're using those words and that they're going to gain a reaction. i think she's good at that type of thing where it's like i'm going to use language that that um insinuates something but doesn't state something and it's just i just i don't i'm not into it i can't believe she called him a titan of media, even if it's true that he was an influence. Say he was an influence. Also cop to the fact that he was racist, misogynist, incredibly homophobic, really started the birther thing about Obama. And say that because you know it's true. And just because you're the conservative voice on this show

doesn't mean you have to ignore the realities of what this person was like and i think that she feels that she's been so critical of trump that she has to sort of like preserve um conservative voices that she's used to because she's so critical of the new gop that she ends up like, just like really propping up these harmful figures from the old conservative stronghold. The Rush Lumbaugh thing is like kind of her being beholden to that, to like his peak, which was like not his, like one of his peaks,

which was around the 2008 election where her father was running against, but was the Republican nominee? And it's like, oh, okay. There is this like actual, um, emotional,

I'm going to say tie between Meghan McCain and Rush Limbaugh, where you've been like rubbing shoulders with these people for decades at this point. And like, this was sort of like the, um, environment you were raised in and you were like, used to like listening to Rush Limbaugh when you were growing up.

Um, I just think, I just think she's a product of that. Yeah. And also I, I just feel like there's been such a movement up since his death there, especially there's been this like hero worship of John McCain. And I think it's fine and respectful if you want to like, you know, give condolences to

anyone that's lost a family member or, you know, give respect to someone that was an American hero in that he, you know, fought for this country, was a prisoner of war and then dedicated his life to service on face value. I understand that. But I think there's a lot of rewriting history about how great John McCain was. Because don't forget that a big building block of why we even have Trump is because John McCain made the selection of Sarah Palin for his vice president and normalized this sort of thing of putting a no nothing

on the national stage because you know had he been elected president she would have been i mean it's said a million times a heartbeat away from the presidency and normalizing that and mobilizing the kinds of voters that liked her directly helps Trump with what he attempted to do and was successful in doing in 2016. So it's just, I don't want to forget that John McCain did the things that he did in terms of creating the situation we're in now. I just think it's a dangerous thing of, we talked about it last week too where it's like yay biden it's like yay that we don't have trump but remember that like these people were were the reason why this country is in such bad shape right now the sort of just

nothings that that were in washington that allowed a situation that provided Trump. I don't know. The whole McCain worship thing, the fact that they're like royal figures in this country, now they're falling out of favor with pretty much everyone, but I just don't like it. McCain's being

royal figures is chilling. I have nothing to add. My have nothing to add. My brain is truly... Yeah, we can't. I mean, look, she's off the panel and she's distant. The open invitation for her to come on this podcast and charm us to kill us is... Well, what?

You think it still stands? I think the invitation still stands. If she can get us to like her, if we can say, oh, she's actually really cool, then we will seppuku. We will seppuku we will seppuku specifically this is the new layer um is that we will take a katana to the belly yeah and yeah do you want to kill me and then i and then i don't want to kill you no honey i want to okay i never want to contribute to your pain okay i just thought it could be fun. If she comes on the show and charms us and then we have to die,

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you won't want to miss this one. Can I ask you a question moving into more fun culture? Another witch? Bitch. The WandaVision of it all. You. Okay, everyone is like, I'm honestly a little, not surprised.

I'm like, wait, Agatha all along is like a thing now. It's the biggest hit in the country. It's a driver's license. It's in rule of culture. Agatha all along. What number is it again? Four. Rule of culture what number is it again? four rule of culture number four

Agatha all along is the driver's license everyone is quoting it everyone is doing the memes of Agatha all along and I'm going what happened to like we're just going to spoil it for everybody because when Evan Peters showed up

everyone's like everyone shut the fuck up don't don't tell anybody about this and now it's like i mean maybe it's because everyone saw this coming from a mile away that like katherine han was playing i got the harkness but it's like now agatha all along is like it lives in this um i don't know like shared visual language of like it's become canon it's become culture is what happened that's actually true that's actually very true well agatha all along i mean what what do we have to add we just we think it's that we think it's fantastic i think it's fantastic and so basically like in watching the show from the beginning i knew there was something up with her and i sort of in reading about what what she might become like the Agatha Harkness of it all

I thought it was really fun but the way they rolled it out I thought was so so great and I loved the song at the end and I just feel like oh this is why you cast Katherine Hahn you know what I mean you cast her so that she has something big and fun to do and if she's going to be the main antagonist I think that rocks and i think it's actually really genius casting because katherine han is exactly at that point where you can buy her being cast on this show as the nosy neighbor and the comic relief you know what i mean like marvel is so huge that even though katherine han is big to us because we respect her, you know, work as a, as an actress and we always enjoy her. You think like to the larger,

you know, consumption community, that's good. That's going to walk. Maybe title of app. Yeah. Or something with Agatha or fodder fodder fodder. Luke, I am yours. You are my Luke. You are my fodder Luke I am yours you are my

father you are my fodder might be might be title of that there's so much going on with so many horses in the race yes but she I bought I would buy if by the end she had just been the best friend all along because we've seen her be the best friend but

then you realize like oh no way they know what they're doing they know what they've got here and her playing a witch too good to be true too good to be true but it's true it is this is a weird comparison but it's i feel like this person deserves this kind of role and this kind of context it would be like if you cast like judy Greer in that role and you're like, exactly. Oh, like this is so,

and she could handle it. She's like, you're, there's a model for her being the best friend, but there's, she also has the ability as an actor to become the main antagonist. And you'd be like, so excited about it. Yeah.

I feel like Catherine Hunt. I'm not comparing, I'm not like saying they live in the same neighborhood in the industry, but I think that like there are, there are a few, there's only a small handful of actors who like are in that pocket. Yes. And we love them for that.

And Catherine Han being in the MCU in this way is very fun. And like now, like it actually like, I was reading on, on, on some stuff about how this is actually introducing horror into the into the mcu um doctor strange and the multiverse of madness which is coming out uh i think later end of the year or early next year but that's like i mean they're saying that like that is going to be the

first i think kevin feige is saying that that is going to be the first technical marvel horror movie just kind of which is kind of fun but but this is introducing Darkhold, that tome. This is introducing all those elements where you have witchy, witchy, spooky, which I think is so fun. Yeah. So are you familiar with the character

of Agatha Harkness? I only offer cursory readings about her, that she's Wanda's teacher, and she, yeah. Yeah, she's Wanda's, like, teacher, and she, yeah. Yeah, she's essentially a gray area villain, where in some comic series, she is a full-on antagonist,

like, bad, like, kills Wanda's kids. And then in other ones, she is sort of a mentor figure and was even the babysitter for the Fantastic Four for a while. and it's that thing of like especially in superhero series like it's common for villains to play um uh on the good side and the bad side and you often see heroes uh be antagonists as well i mean they they kind of dabbled in this with captain america civil

war where the avengers were fighting against each other but there's been so much talk about um whether or not this is a villain origin story for a reboot of the scarlet witch um i don't know that they'll do that i feel like in the in this beginning of you know i guess phase four of marvel it's kind of better to start it off on a more straightforward thing like the scarlet witch we're seeing her become a quote-unquote witch and she'll earn that moniker but she'll stay um a quote-unquote good character and stay an avenger and it feels like easier to swallow that Agatha Harkness is now just a new villain figure, whether or not that's just for WandaVision or in the larger MCU.

But it's interesting that they bring this character in because this character, just like Wanda, has served a purpose of villain in the comics and, you know, protagonist of the comics. So you still don't really know where it's going it could go either way i've also seen some theories that you know agatha is not the main antagonist that she's calling someone else that's maybe that maybe is

why this is all happening so that she can conjure a greater villain that will become like the thanos of this new part of Marvel but all very interesting and thrilled that Catherine Han is ushering it in I love that I love that my sister is getting into MCU it's the first show in a long time that I watch

every episode like four times the repeat viewings for me is what's so surprising about you that you are watching these episodes and that you are staying up till midnight on Thursday nights to watch it and then you re-watch it I mean I have not done this with the show since

I want to say I'm so sorry to say like early season Grey's Anatomy like I have not done this in over a decade what is it about the show that keeps you repeat watching I was thinking about this earlier I was like. What is it about the show that keeps you repeat watching? I was thinking about this earlier. I was like, what exactly is it that gets me to keep watching? I think to me, it's A, it's just purely fun to watch. But B, I also think there's a mystery

element that I like. And I think that something about myself that I'm re-realizing is that I actually love a mystery. I love and I think I might start reading some Agatha Christie books to be honest. Girl, Murder on the Links, Murder on the Orient Express. I think I would really enjoy it just because

to me like I do love like Easter egg culture looking through and being like oh that's that or that means that like I just think there's like Because to me, I do love Easter egg culture. Looking through and being like, oh, that's that. Or that means that. I just think there's an extra layer to the storytelling, which I love. And I think if I can trace it all the way back, really to the beginning of when I thought culture might be for me,

Lost was something that's sort of... Lost is huge for you. Huge for me. And it's sort of huge for me. And it's sort of pretended to be this thing that if you watch to the end, everything's going to make sense. And it obviously failed in doing that. It was an enjoyable show episode to episode, sometimes season by season, but ultimately it couldn't follow through on that. And I think the reason why I'm loving WandaVision so much is that I feel like

this could potentially, when the loop closes all make sense in a way that is going to make me very excited. I feel like I've asked you this so many times before. You have not seen Watchmen, correct? No, not yet.

And I, and I, I really want to, you know what it is? It's just, I don't like violence, but, and I, it's, it's fine. I have to get over's just i don't like violence but and i it's it's fine i

have to get over it i will watch it next i really will i think the the the it's damon lindelof again who i love is able to actually make it all make sense and have it fit within the canon of the graphic novel i think you would love you would really enjoy the graphic novel. I think you would love, you would really enjoy the graphic novel or at least like a summary of it. And then you should go into Watchmen thinking it's so interesting because it's like, it's a world where it's an alternate timeline of America and it's a world. It's,

it takes place in the modern or not the modern age takes place in 2019. So yeah, modern, but still a world with no internet. It's like, it's really in the modern we're not the modern it takes place in 2019 so yeah modern but still um a world with no internet it's like it's really like the choices about the world are so so interesting yeah and they're so intentional and it affects like it's so thoughtfully realized and the mystery element that like sustains itself throughout the entire series, season, it all comes together in a way that is so satisfying. It makes total sense. You will fucking cream.

You will love it. You know what? Now that I've enjoyed this so much, I really will get into it. And there's nothing about it that I won't love. I think once I just settle into the tone. And there's gay sex. Love that. And there's race. And there's a lot of gay sex. I love that. And there's race.

And there's a lot of fun stuff. And fucking Jean. And Jean Smart. I know. And I do stan. The third episode is the Jean Smart-centric episode. And it's one of my favorite episodes of television ever. And there's just, oh my God, there's just a great performance thread of Jean Smart and the whole thing.

And it's like, oh my God, yes, yes, yes. I got so pumped watching that episode, I remember. And you know me, I don't really binge watch. You really don't. But Watchmen, I watched the whole thing in like three days, just like supine on my couch, watched every episode consecutively. Oh my God, you have to watch get over the violence

there's not that much of it just watch it i'm also fine it's just you know what it is it's just something i realized about myself is i've become much more of an anxious person as i'm getting older like i didn't used to have any problem with this shit like and then lately i'm just like it's sometimes i is this therapy sometimes i will not watch something because i know it's going to upset me or make me feel an extreme emotion in any way and so i will sometimes watch things or start to consume things like the housewives like sir like survivor honestly like a lot of reality television that i can just feel like i'm watching it and receiving it and like i understand it and so i'm able to you know laugh at it not take it too seriously because it's not going to stir me in a way i

don't know what it what that is but especially over the last year i'm just not wading into waters that are going to make me feel a lot. You are, because there's not much going on. We're just like, I was talking to someone about this where it's like, they're like, I am trying to wean off my antidepressants because I am not,

because antidepressants make you like help you get through the day, but you don't really need as, and in this person's case, they didn't need as, as many antidepressants because they just weren't doing that much throughout the day to feel the need to be like shepherded through the course of the day. Yeah.

They weren't having emotions that needed monitoring. Exactly. And so you are probably like your baseline for like stimulus is going down. And so you're like, I don't want to be like shocked out of this like stasis that I'm in. Maybe, I don't know. I think that's it. You know what?

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that, and this is again, me just therapizing myself, which is LOL, not what you do, but I'm going to take a crack at it. Maybe it's a thing of like, because I know I'm alone with my emotions, I don't want them to go out of control.

Does that make sense? Like I'd rather every day feel sort of the same than every day feel like wild. Like, you know, it's funny. Like I messaged um nick layman and jackson rick and who are friends i i messaged them because they put on their stories that they were watching the finale of six feet under and the way they were sobbing i was just like i was like i messaged jackson and i was like i don't think I've cried like that in such a long time.

And he was like, it's honestly an emotional exercise in a release. And I was like, maybe I'll rewatch the entire Six Feet Under because it honestly looked fun to cry that hard. I was like, wow. I have not. Well, that's not true.

I wept and wept and wept when Jared and I broke up. But that was like the last time I can and only time i can feel i can remember feeling that big of an emotional swing part of me feels i left like those emotions behind when i when i left new york is it so weird yeah wow like that you like that there was a very emotional era for me like towards the end of me living in new york when i felt like that really was when i felt like i could cry at any day at any time and i was really feeling my pisces moment now it's like i don't think i could make myself cry if i tried i'm numb really Really interesting. But you are an emotional

girl. No. Well, I don't know if you're admitting the truth. Well, lately I've been very emotional because my defenses are down because I'm exhausted. But I also feel like I left

an emotional era behind after um i started this job at snl so i feel like i've i've just like really checked out overall which is not good i mean do you feel that's because like being emotional would waste time um yeah that like or sidetrack you or it would just be it would just be like another expenditure and like i'm already spending so much time on other things and why yeah yeah so yeah yeah it's exactly a waste of time i did fully sob to sudi on the studio floor last week. Oh my gosh. For boring reasons. But yeah, I'm not doing well. Well, it's okay to not be doing well.

It's fine. It's fine. It's fine to not do well. And I also just want to say, I don't think we were supposed to record an episode last night. I think that we, I felt cosmically we were not supposed to record last night. I felt cosmically you needed the break and we needed to do a morning episode so we can wake up. Did I, did I force, I'm sorry if I forced everyone to wake up.

No, first of all, literally you didn't force anyone to wake up. Like I, we've recorded at 10 a.m. It's not like I'm like, it's not like I was in New York where it's hard for me to wake up at 11 a.m. Like in LA, everyone's up a crack of dawn. When do you wake up? What's your, what for me to wake up at 11 a.m. In LA, everyone's up crack of dawn. When do you wake up? What's your normal wake up time? This is going to shock you. I wake up naturally at 8 a.m. Oh my God. Queen? I'm telling you, in New York-

You out slept me in New York. Oh, I was a sleeper in New York. Something about the humidity is like, my body can't live there. I have been missing it lately, I will say. Maybe there is opportunity for you to return. Well, I am coming back. Oh, don't tell the reader. We can't tell anyone why.

But we have a good excuse to reunite. LOL. I don't know if it's that good. I think it's good. Oh my God. Yes. Yes, it is good. Well, that's a little teaser.

Oh, a little teaser-y. A little teaser-y. Can I say? Yes. I can't believe we devoted that much time to Meghan McCain because you know she hears and listens to everything. Oh, yeah. Okay, well, let's just, let's make this. Should we make a promise here and now?

Oh, yeah. That we will only talk about Meghan McCain once a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we can have a once a year Meghan McCain anniversary. We sort of revisit the year of megan mccain lol no way i thought you were gonna say let's make a pact we will not discuss her again i think it's impossible to not discuss her because she keeps like saying stupid shit yeah and she still has that damn job and also here's the thing too. Any conservative host of The View that was effective

is going to do this to the culture. It's an annoying facet of a reality in which The View exists is that they feel they must have that conservative seat. And that person in that conservative seat is always going to piss off America. And maybe that means that they're doing their job. But it is frustrating. I don't know. I don't know. Girl, give me five Sherri Shepherds. I would really love that.

I want to watch that show. Is that essentially the talk? Where everyone's just like, I kind of know what i'm talking about sharon osborne like well you know i think britney spears is she's you know she's a she's a silly goose she's a silly goose and we have to let her be silly on instagram and i think all this is she's a silly goose and you know not even sick. We're just making a mountain out of a molehill. She's a silly goose on Instagram and I enjoy it.

That's a really good sharing. And I want to enjoy it. You were doing a really good Tracy Ullman as Helen Mirren before we got on. It was really good. what I liked about the character is that she's not at all

embarrassed about her body and so many actresses even younger ones have a problem fishing out their teeth what a formative piece of culture for us just for you and me as friends

I remember it being one of after Nicki Minaj and Super Bass I think this video what a formative piece of culture for us, just for you and me as friends. It was, I think I remember it being one of, after Nicki Minaj and super bass, I think this video was one of those things that like really like formed a new bond between you and me when we were first getting to know each other, where we were like, Oh my God, Matt and I are laughing at this thing for the same reasons.

I think the same exact reasons. And then, and then, you know, over time, it was like, oh, okay, Matt and Bowen have an ear for, like, you know, Izzy Stevens saying, I'm not a surgeon. I wish I was a surgeon, but I'm

not, so I quit. Like, we, like, the auditory, like, oh, like, you face time. Cadence. It's cadence. You and I respond to cadence extremely strongly, and i've realized that if i'm going to be close friends with someone they have to put cadence number one cadence has it's all about it's why i love patrick because like he he it's great cadence is important to him and it's like anyone in my life like you have to understand the way things are said that's what it's like you you

called me the other day and i picked up and the first thing you said was uh girl i don't remember what was it was i really want to lose three pounds and then without without missing a beat i said oh my god what are you talking about you're so skinny shut up which i know it's like basic to quote mean girls at this point but like matt and i have a once a month discussion about let's just like have a mini discussion right now about this let's do it i mean we've had a version of this discussion and many episodes before but like we've threatened we've threatened to do this on the pod and we're doing it. We're doing it. Rachel McAdams, every single line read in that movie, Oscar-worthy,

I mean, the whole, but that specific part, like, I really want to lose three pounds. Oh my God, what are you talking about? You're so skinny. Shut up. I mean, just a full vignette in that dialogue. Also, we talk about...

Let me tell you something about Janice Ian. That whole monologue, just like a comedic performance that people would die to give. I just feel like, and maybe if it's released today, because there's more awareness

that this happens, like the comedy movies are given the shaft when it comes to awards maybe she would get something but it's like it's like it's why i'm rooting for like maria beckalova this year it's like yes award comedy tour de forces yeah you must yes because rachel mcadams like first of all queen second of all like you can't really picture anyone else doing it. And she wasn't a thing before that. And yet, she came in and was like, no, I'm iconic forever.

Let me tell you something about Janice Ian. We were best friends in middle school. I know, right? It's so embarrassing. I don't even... Whatever. So then in eighth grade, I started going out with my first boyfriend Kyle who was so hot but then he moved to Indiana

that that is so funny who was so hot but then he moved to Indiana and Janice was like weirdly jealous of me

like if I would blow her off to hang out with Kyle she'd be like why didn't you call me back and I'd be like uh why are you so obsessed why are you so obsessed

with me so then for very birthday party which was an all girls pool party i was like janice i can't invite you because i think you're a lesbian i mean i mean i couldn't invite her to my party i mean right there was gonna be girls in their bathing suits i mean she was a lesbian lesbian so then her mom called my mom and started yelling at her it was so it was so artwork and she dropped out of school because no one talked to her and she came back in the fall for high school and her hair was all cut off and she and she was totally weird and all of her hair was cut off and she was totally weird and now

oh my god i love your skirt which i mean that whole that genius thing is genius. Are we saying Tina Fey is a talented writer? Oh my God. Crazy. I mean, it's also like, there is a deep understanding in this text of what it means to be this type of girl. I'm not saying Tina Fey is this type of girl. I'm saying she researched whatever this book is.

It's based on a book. The Queen Bees and Wannabes. Queen Bees and Wannabes. Maybe this is worth a read because there is such smart, deft understanding of what it is to deal with this type of girl, to be this type of girl, to navigate this type of girl. The social dynamics in the movie are like really well researched and you know i've never felt so seen as when they did the three-way call attack that used to happen to me all the time i was friends with these two girls ali and rachel who i've i then had to say to, like, we can't be friends anymore and it was a whole thing,

but they would routinely three-way call attack me. And I was just like, what? It was something where it was like, I didn't know it was so popular.

And then when I saw it in that movie, I was like, okay, I almost felt like, wow, that wasn't just something that I was the victim of.

And then- I feel like they stopped happening after the movie came out. In my life, they stopped happening after the movie came out in my life. They stopped happening. Cause I would also get three-way calls from like, I think it was like Vicky Reese Jones and Jeanette Lennon and like,

like full names, full names. It's fine. Um, but yeah, like I think they just, there was a drop off after the movie came out where people were like, Oh,

well like our asses are unnoticed. Because Mean Girls came out right as we were going into high school. 2004. Yeah. Like, eighth grade. Oh, my God. Oh, please, the worst. And also, we always talk about how it sort of normalized

a mode of behavior for that type of girl going forward, too. Like, this is the dark side of it all is that it really showed some girls how to be mean like if they needed any help like there was rachel mcadams that sort of expertly modeled that behavior i had a friend i will not say her name because she'll be mad but i saw her start to act like this girl like in the way she was speaking in the way she'd look at people i was like oh you are you are better or worse influenced by this movie because not everyone is going to be able to see irony in it you know what i mean like that's the dark side of it because even now there's

like there's like fun little like Gen Z, like there's a fun little Gen Z pocket where like the bullies in school now are like kids who are like, you haven't read enough Marxist theory to be in our friend group. But it's like, it's still from the same, it's like a different kind of like mean person.

It's a different kind of bully who's like intellectual and is like whatever, like, oh, you don't respect people's pronouns enough so we can't talk to you it's like that kind of thing but it's still it's still the same root which is regina george to me yeah it's it's um and it's just it's just so funny because she made it look cool like she is the iconic part of the movie. Not even cool.

She made it look fun. Fun. Effective. Yeah. Yeah. And we do stan. We do stan. Wait.

Why don't I know you? Why don't I know you? Who are you? Wait, what? Shut up. Shut up. You're pretty so yeah i mean every everything you're really pretty they're they're i don't know i feel like it's aged in a way that i mean there's some things about the movie that are like oh that's rough but um yes which which is every movie from that time but i feel like the fact that it's still like in like the memetic language of like oh like you show

someone a picture of like regina george crossing her arms and saying so you agree you blank like whatever like whenever that's like a reaction to something like that, like it feels like you can't remove, it's not going to like wean off anytime soon that this is still like a reference that people immediately understand. You know what I mean? Part of the culture even. Yes. Well,

that's what I mean to say, but it's like not, not, not even like Heather's did that. Not even like, I I'm going to say not even clueless did that for gen x i think it did but but it never was going to i think that it's gonna feel more culty to us obviously because of our age and also because probably at the time like you literally had to

go see the movie in order to understand and have it circulate the sort of like, in order to, for that generation to sort of meme something, like they would have to be an active seeking out of it. And I think it probably made it more exciting and, or just as exciting in a different way. But I understand what you're saying where it's like, it feels like because our generation would then be the generation of, you know memeing things and memes becoming comedy it feel like it hit at exactly the right time because it's nostalgia it's actually good and it's and it's hitting with our particular generation which is like you know for better or worse addicted to meme culture but i even think i don't know i think i think it like in some ways it missed the cut off and yet it still survived it's still circulating despite that it's still like

I think some Gen Z people would would see a Mean Girls meme and be like I understand what that's from and it's not like cringe or whatever you know so it's like that's the thing that is unique to Mean Girls that I don't think

happened with clueless or with heathers or with like other like movies from that neighborhood i wonder when mean girls will feel stylistically period slash dated you know what i mean like you literally six months who knows truly i mean and i think actually if we watched it again now and this is actually funny because joel was over the other night and they were playing mean girls before drag race and it was the end of the movie and like they show like the young plastics and like the skirts they're wearing it's so 2004 and also just all the choice of music obviously like when milkshake is playing when the little girl is dancing like that's so funny but just like it is starting to get to that point where you're like you watch it and you're

like oh my god this movie is so 2004 to the point where like so there's like the way that rachel mcadams is dressed as regina george the whole movie and then when she's nice at the end spoiler alert and she's and everyone's sorry and she's like a lacrosse player there's a point where she is walking uh in front of katie and then they wave to each other and they're there's like a sign of respect like that they've moved on and the way that she's dressed you could tell at the time they were like you know she should be dressed sort of like more neutral in this scene and like she's not wearing quote-unquote cool clothes and i turned to joel and i was like she looks way more chic there than she is in the whole rest of the movie. And then I realized like,

they were just trying to put her in like shitty, boring clothes like at the end of the movie to show that she was no longer like this queen bitch of the school. But it's just, it just kind of says like the way, like the kind of fashion now, like what's in vogue right now, I think is just more neutral. Yes. So it's kind of, in a way, it's just, it just kind of said like, that's the way that fashion has progressed.

Like it's a little bit less pastel-ish, you know, than it was then. What was, how would you categorize the style of that time? It was like. Talking about mid-aughts. Mid-aughts. It was like, I'm justaughts mid-aughts it was like i'm just gonna name retailers like yeah it was holster like abercrombie and american eagle american eagle it was like that it was like graphic tees bright colors i mean remember that remember how like flip-flops were like a moment do you used to wear jeans and flip flops

you could find me in jeans and flip flops at all times even freshman year of college walking down 14th street in jeans and flip flops in a v-neck and thinking I look so good I look like I just walked out of the gap

aspirational at the time truly wild. Well, I tell, I've told you the story of, um, when I had my first, like my RA sat us down on the floor of,

of like, so we had kind of like the very first floor meeting or freshman year. And we all had to go around and like, say our name and like what we were trying to major in or whatever. And we were from, I got up and was doing like my like mask drag thing i had like my spiky hair i had my american eagle polo jeans and flip-flops probably everyone laughed at me and it was just like and it was well because i was dressed that way and it was nyu so everyone there was like for some reason i ended

up on a floor where everyone was just like, had their style figured out, I guess. Or like, could I know? I remember people from that floor from freshman year. I was so taken aback because at the time, like the way I was dressed was the cool way to be dressed. Now, looking back, it's like, oh, that was the cool way to be dressed on Long Island from where I was from. And then I guess everyone else on that floor, like, had themselves figured out a little bit more or got the memo, I guess, six months earlier that you needed to stop dressing like this, like, in New York in college. Like, I was looking very high school. And maybe a lot of it had to do with the fact that I was obviously gay, dropping my voice, like, being that.

But they laughed at me. And I was just gay dropping my voice, like being mad, but they laughed at me. And I was just like, whoa, like, and that's when I realized I would have to reestablish an identity again. And then the, the tug of war inside me that was like, do I just come out now or like try to establish myself as a straight guy

again, which I know is so hard. But it's not even like the, the cool New York way to dress in 2008 as an 18 or 19 year old was even that much more sophisticated than what long island cool was which is to like the difference is american eagle hollister but then like if you're you're much cooler if you actually went to forever 21 and Diesel. And like, ew.

And even now that's like laughable. It's like it never, I don't know. No one's like, unless you're just dressing in like all black everything, you're always going to be like ridiculed in retrospect for what you wore. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. fueled in retrospect for what you wore yeah that's it yeah and i think i think also like the awareness of that being true caused me to dress boring well and i look back and i'm like i used to wear just like a lot of black or just like whatever color i knew worked for me like a

lot of blue um like the amount of blue shit i'm wearing blue right now like and also my whole like aesthetic in this apartment is blue blue blue blue blue i do blue a lot blue group and i think it's just because of fear like i like like like like um when i developed in terms of how i dress myself and we've actually had this conversation i I believe with Max Witter on his episode, we talked a lot about like style and how, how that, you know, is,

is influenced by the culture around you and how you want to be perceived, obviously. But it's so funny because I look back on like my late teens and early twenties. And I did dress in a lot of like basics and a lot of like, you know, inoffensive colors and patterns. And now that I guess I care a little bit less

or know myself a little bit more, I do dress in more colors. And it's so funny because I just got a new car after my accident and it is bright red. And Joel saw it and he was was like this is ostentatious he's like this is not you and i was like well you don't know me at all then hmm girl han said is that also a moving from new york to la thing interesting i don't maybe think so i think i honestly think it has more to do with just with me being like,

no, I'm actually comfortable expressing myself the way I want to. Yeah. You have a very cool sense of style though. You always know the cool things. I, that's not necessarily true. I know what works for me and it,

it's not even too far elevated above like basics and like god i mean there was a time there really was a time when like it was cool at least in my like in my understanding to my understanding it was cool to wear american apparel everything like that was like a look yeah in our early 20s it was it was and now now it's like a little bit but now you're kind of going back to that there's like entire world and there's la apparel there's like already like a hearkening back to that which is is interesting uh now i'm just like oh i i'm reading a lot of like japanese fashion magazines where like the style is called like city boy. And it's just like,

you wear a baggy hoodie and like a flannel over it and like sweatpants. And that's the look. And like, but that even, even that's going to like, I know we're, we're, we're saying such obvious things about like how style changes over time,

but even, but I, which is, but I just want to say that like i don't think i will ever be ahead of the curve in any way i don't think that's like part of like my ethos i'm happy to just like clock the trends as they happen and be like let me try it on and then that's it i here's what i'll. Here's my assessment of you. I don't think you are ahead of the curve. I think, however, you are always right on the pulse.

You always know. If I ever mention a designer, I can kind of tell from the way that you react whether or not it's cool or not. Say designer now. For example, when I said, I'm just going to say this. gonna say this when i said tom brown

you were like yeah maybe last year i did not say that i did not say that tom brown is great bowen you did not say tom brown i did not say that tom brown was last year make that face you're scared now that tom brown isn't gonna want to dress you down no tom brown will never dress I did not say that Tom Brown was last year or make that face. You're scared now that Tom Brown isn't going to want to dress you down. No, Tom Brown will never dress me down. That's not what it is. And if I take a shit next to Tom Brown in the bathroom, it'll be like, oh, hi. I don't know.

Your response to when I was shopping and I think I sent you a picture. I did not. I mentioned Tom Brown and you were like no I did not do that you are lying gaslighter big timer Bowen I how would I make this up oh my god no boy you know exactly what you did on my boat gaslighter you were gaslighting me here's what I want to ask you because you're talking a lot about sweats and things. What is your relationship to what I believe is the clothing movement of the moment and the past couple years,

which is athleisure? What is your relationship to athleisure? I don't have too much of it. I have two sweatpants that I love that I will wear outside of the house maybe once a week. And that's about it.

That's it. I'm becoming more comfortable with it. I never was that kind of person because I just... But I'm telling you, once I bought my Brooks Marks tracksuit... You are wearing the Brooks Marks tracksuit. It is so comfy and it's holding up.

The only thing about it is I'm not entirely sure how you go about washing it because there's that lining that I think is going to become problematic in washing it. But I love it so much. By the way. By the way. This second part of the reunion. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. We haven't talked about Salt Lake.

Fireworks. Lisa. Can you give a take? What is take what is your temperature it's been a while since I it's been a few it's been it's been like almost a week it's been five days right since it aired Mary is a truly despicable oh we have to do this we rescind the second day of culture Mary M Cosby hits the world stage we rescind it I mean she certainly hit the world stage we can't deny that it happened, but we sort of propped her up as the icon of housewives, and I don't know if I can stand by this.

Abject colorism. Ooh. It was bad. It was bad. When she couldn't stop flapping her trap, when she unprompted offered that she prefers light-skinned men, she sort of just couldn't stop her mouth and basically said she prefers light-skinned men and no one had asked that no one had asked that and

then she ended it with you know all black people are beautiful all black people are and i'm so proud of me it's like Mary, you got us. That's the thing is she had an out, like, cause they were talking about when she allegedly said, cause Jen accused Mary of saying she doesn't like to go to convenience stores like seven 11 because shady black guys hang out in front of them. And she doesn't like going there because of that.

And she said it had nothing to do with race. And Meredith said, i left the conversation thinking she doesn't like to go to convenience stores because of shady people hanging out in front of them it didn't have to do with race i didn't think she made it about meredith really gave her an exit strategy and it was there it was and then literally she literally goes but I do prefer light-skinned men. And I'm only laughing because it's so shocking and so awful. I couldn't believe it. And then when he was like, are you in love with your husband?

I think I am. But when she goes on about her marriage, that was also, and then she eventually starts to break down and cry and everyone's like, oh, Mary, it's okay. I did not follow the thread there because she was like, I'm not in love

because she basically started out saying, I'm not in love with my husband. It's not working. She said it's impossible to stay happy for that long. It's impossible to stay happy for that long, but then she goes on about, she kind of bounces around all over the place and then she goes, yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy, but then she like goes on about she kind of like bounces around all all over the place and then she goes yeah i'm happy i'm happy but it's like wait what are you then what is it are

you unhappy are you happy is it impossible to be happy in that marriage no marriage for that long or she needs to be on someone's couch is what needs to happen she okay so i i watched this girl the brooke ashley who does my favorite recaps and she has a line that I will say here I must regret her she says she is crazier than a soup sandwich and she is crazier than a soup sandwich she needs to be sitting down on a couch figuring out what is really going on because I don't believe she's in love with her husband

I believe she because then she revealed that it was not in her grandmother's will that she marries him which if I love that we all were just kind of saying that without unpacking that which is even if it was in her will that it was her wish that her grand her husband marry her granddaughter you can't force anyone to do that like just because someone puts it in their will does not mean that that must happen. You can't be forced to marry someone because a family member of yours put that in her will.

She can say that this is her wish, but you can't force anyone to do that. So Mary had to have autonomy in doing this. seems like from what she said about how basically the marriage is worth it because she gets chanel bought for her that a lot of this is about money a lot of it's about money it's like it almost dips into like 90-day fiance territory for me where like some of these marriages are purely motivated by money or by like acquiring things and i'm just like this is just people are people are people like money like really breaks people and it's and it's and it's just it's just sad and then it did line up with that video that had the audio that had leaked of her yelling at her church because they weren't giving her enough money like i was like this is someone whose

number one priority is things and her bedroom is a fucking nightmare i mean she's always in her closet of clothes yes it's wild and so i think like my takeaway from the whole thing is oh this is someone who's not willing to be honest about the fact that she's motivated by greed. And that her aunt lives in a smaller house than her and she comes to clean up the house even though her aunt

is like more as like technically closer to would be closer to inheriting the mega church or whatever. I just this is a mess. There's this, there's such a darkness to Salt Lake city,

even though, even though I think it was a fantastic first season, there was, there was great New Yorker piece about what make, what made this first season so good. But I, I love the religious stuff is so, so,

so, so hard. I think that's what makes it really interesting. And I think it's actually really interesting when you look at it through the lens of Heather too, because I want to talk about it for a second. Let's talk about Heather. Heather, the way that she was expertly dragging Lisa and like reading down everyone. I was like, I had to be like, I don't think that you are this innocent woman that you have been pretending to be.

I think that her and Whitney a little bit have been putting on this whole we're oppressed by our community and society and religion narrative. And boohoo,en would rather be friends with meredith and lisa than us i think they have perpetuated a little bit of a victim narrative for themselves that didn't check out with me on this reunion because all of a sudden they felt powerful because they saw the show and they realized that they were edited the most favorably and they were most liked by the viewers and they came in really feeling their oats in this reunion to the point where i feel that especially heather were was being cruel to lisa and i i'm not like i don't think that lisa is not a snob but i don't think that she deserves the dragging that heather was giving her and that i think heather takes glee in when it comes from

the viewers as well because i understood where she was coming from and when they took that lunch break and they thought the cameras went down all All I'm saying is. I know. Heather was kind of a, yeah. Heather was, she turned to Lisa and said, you're in last place. And Lisa said, what does that mean? And she was like, she was like, whatever, whatever, whatever. And Lisa was like, what does that mean? And she's like, and you've been a bad friend to Meredith. And Lisa said, why do you have to attack my one friend on the show?

Why do you have to attack my ally? Like, why do you have to attack my friendship? Like, you won't be happy until everyone hates me. And honestly, I think she's right. I think Heather is out to destroy Lisa. And I don't think she needs to play it that hard. No, she doesn't. I really don't.

Because that's not why we like Heather. Not why we like Heather. But even though Lisa, when they roll the clips back, Lisa was kind of a terror to Heather and Whitney. Like that ski meal that they had afterwards.

I don't know. Lisa, it's a very complicated dynamic. I don't have much to add in terms of... Let me ask you this question. Yeah. Do you believe that Lisa knew Heather before 2017 when she says they met? Do you

believe, Heather, that they've known each other for 20 years? Or do you believe, Lisa, that maybe they were in the same abstract circle, but Lisa only really met Heather in 2017. That, whatever that, because didn't they show a screenshot of the text where they were like-

Yeah, so excited to meet you in person. So excited to meet you in person, yeah. Yeah, so basically then- Heather's lying. This all hinges on the big lie. Yeah. Which is the fact that Heather said, Lisa doesn't see me.

And I think this, and is lying about knowing me and they actually did not have the history that heather had said because i think that heather you know in coming out of the church she just wants to be seen and she wants to she wants to demand you know respect because she maybe she feels like she hasn't gotten it which i understand i just feel that if that's anger and emotion that she has i think it might be a little misplaced towards lisa like because i don't i don't i don't i feel that it's probably true that heather has felt disrespected and undervalued throughout her whole life And so she's really coming hard now in her power and demanding that people like let her take up space and understand that she is a formidable person. I just think she doesn't have to try to kill Lisa socially because right.

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Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I watched, um, I don't watch Jersey,

but I watched the premiere. Same. Did you watch it? Yeah, I have the same thing. I don't watch Jersey, but I watched the premiere. Well, Heidi Gardner told me, she was like,

you have to watch Jersey. I was like, okay, but I haven't watched it and truly like since like prostitution whore like will it be good and she was like no i mean i'm same i haven't watched it in like almost a decade but you should watch it and i was like great and then um the ending the the fight between jackie and theresa i was like wow it was kind of a similar thing where Jackie's like, I have the life that you want. I win. And I was like, holy shit. And then

Teresa, of course, is like calling her the C word. And it's like, oh, this is all just so, such a mess. She really was using the C word, wasn't she? I mean, the episode was called See You Next Tuesday. But just the beliefs of C word, wasn't she? It was. I mean, the episode was called See You Next Tuesday. And, but like,

but just the beliefs of beep, beep, beep, but then just reading her lips, just kind of saying the C word was truly like, it was kind of jarring for me to, as a viewer to be like, oh my God,

she's really calling her that. Well, Teresa is a jarring figure. Teresa, I haven't watched Jersey, but it feels like there is going to be a huge blow between Joe Gorga and Teresa this season. That will be very fascinating to see because for them to be siblings and have maybe a lot of stuff like buried, not buried,

but just like they seem to be getting along. I don't know. Yeah. Well, the reason I haven't been able to ever watch jersey is because the reminder it feels too real to me i know people like this like from long island like it's just i heard you somehow in the episode i was like this these are people that matt knows oh big time big Like, and so it's always hard because for me, even if it's not, and it's not explicit always. Right.

But there is like, there's a layer of homophobia that's running through the whole thing. That I just feel uncomfortable with. Like, you know, like I can, even if they're not saying it, I can hear all these people saying the word faggot. Well, I feel like when Teresa was like spreading the rumor about what's his face, like cheating on Jackie at the gym. I was like, is she implying that it's dudes because it's at the gym and it's like steam room action or what? Because I'm just like, there's something missing here that they're either editing out or Teresa is

like too afraid to say as the cameras are rolling that I'm like, Oh yeah. Like what is this weird hidden frequency? And then, um, just, just thought it was just so dark and deeply funny, but also like that.

This is many people in this country and around the world where she was like, I didn't spread a rumor. I heard a rumor. Oh, please. We were laughing. Oh my God. We were laughing so hard at that because it so doesn't make any sense.

And I guess like that is what makes a good housewife, like a true agent of chaos. Yes. Like where, but that doesn't make sense. And like, so it's just so funny because what ends up being the conflicts, it's like there's something that happens.

Then people react to it. And based on the abstract way people react, that's what then causes the conflict. So what won't end up being the conflict is this thing of was there cheating happening i think it'll be the line i have the life that you want you know what i mean it's yeah that's that's when yeah exactly that's what i like about housewives it's like it's like like the other night like someone said to me like um i had a bloody m Mary that was the best I ever had. And I said, well, what? It's better than the one that I made for you on vacation.

And he was, and my friend was like, my friend was like, well, it wasn't restaurant quality. So then I said, if this was housewives, a whole season would be me being pissed that you said my Bloody Marys were not restaurant quality. And it's that specificity and that stupid conflict that I love. And so you need someone like Teresa to come in and have the only she

would say, I didn't spread a rumor, I heard a rumor. For that to spin off in this insane direction about whether spreading a rumor is the same as hearing a rumor, which is nothing. But I love watching a full unfurling of a conflict based on that stupidity.

Well, this is, this is maybe why like Miriam Cosby is bumping me because like it's, it's gone too far. Like, because at first we all fucking went crazy over her. We loved her because it was like, you smell like hospital. You smell like hospital is the is the exactly what we're talking about yeah it spins out into this whole conflict but but mary it's like oh you're you're not making sense

95 percent of the time at this point and it's actually really dark the ways you don't make sense and the ways that you contradict yourself and the ways that you will i don't know tell on yourself in these in these situations where you say i prefer light-skinned guys unprompted that it's like this is actually not fun anymore and the whole pentecostal thing is like really for me i'm speaking for myself i'm panicking just being pentecostal is kind of really really scary to me because it is this thing where like it is linking emotional experiences or it's saying that emotional experiences are religious experiences no matter what which is so dangerous that anytime you feel any emotion strongly that

that is God, that that is like real, that, that is like not something that is independent of an institution is like really, really, really terrifying to me. Yeah. And, and did you see when Andy was like, well, have there been rumors that your church is a cult? Mary just goes, yeah. Oh my God, you did a great Mary. It was just so, so, oh, of course. Absolutely, there's been rumors that this church is a cult. Why wouldn't there be?

And then isn't it Lisa who's just like, I mean, there are rumors that Mormonism is a cult. But it's not a cult. It's not a cult. It's not a cult. We have to shout out Vanessa Bayer for doing great. Oh my God. Vanessa's impression of Lisa

on Watch What Happens Live. And Whitney. Oh, and Whitney. But it was the Lisa that was killing me. This is so good. Here's a question for you. And I've really thought about this so if you if you

and i are in a situation where we're sitting at a reunion type thing and everyone's going in on you say you're lisa and i'm meredith you're the i'm your best friend and i'm sitting there like the way meredith was meredith was not coming about for Lisa. Would you be upset with me? I would be like, you're not I'd be like, what the fuck? I wouldn't be upset with, I would be it would be an off-camera thing

where I'd be like, you're really passive right now when people are truly tearing me to shreds. I would be mad. i would be really mad because i know for a fact that if everyone was getting up on you i would be like no and that makes me feel like maybe lisa has a different view of their friendship than meredith does or meredith just or Meredith just truly ain't engaging. I think there is a darkness to Meredith as well.

I think Meredith is darker than Lisa to be age, not as dark as Heather at this point. Cause Heather is really trying to like manipulate in ways that are alarming. But Lisa is like, there's something, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Meredith is like, there's something about Meredith sorry Meredith is like there's something about Meredith that's like Beyonce watching Jay-Z and Solange

fight in the elevator and just standing there well yeah I mean she did say on an episode that she has a history of observing violence and that it it really has caused her to disengage and that's what works for her so I bet she's

been through I wouldn't be surprised if she's been through... I wouldn't be surprised if she's been through some sort of therapy that has told her you never have to engage in anything that is bad for you and that she is just going to sit on the sidelines about this. But the fact of the matter is, this show might

not be for her then. Because I think it's funny now like the fact that she is the housewife that disengages i think is funny it's funny now but she can't be too sleepy for the whole thing you know and her not and and it's so funny because she really just had one moment in this episode and it was let me make something extremely clear my husband is off limits and if anyone talks about it, you're not my friend.

And that's that. And she like really laid the hammer down and it was her one moment in the episode. Yeah, nothing. Other than that, nothing. And for Lisa to be like, so the center of conflict and Meredith to not chime in really at all.

I know. I would have been pissed. And Meredith's only kind of, the only takeaway for Meredith this season is the only memory is I'm disengaging. I'm done engaging in conversation.

I'm no longer engaging. If you guys want to engage in the conversation you can engage in the conversation. Soft. Man, soft. You have to read this New Yorker piece. It starts off saying how Brooks Marks is like... I did read it.

I thought it was great. I thought that was a really good observation. She was like, the audience turns on Brooks. I mean, I don't know if you feel this way, but I kind of was like, oh yeah, that was when I kind of wasn't as enamored with Brooks Marks

as a reality show character was when Brooks was like... Jen was like showing her vagina all over the was when Brooks was like, Jen was like showing her vagina all over the place. I was like, oh, but you, hmm, like this is a little too, this is reverting to like a different

trope in reality television that is no longer relevant because you were like a very good student of the form up until that point. And here's my take on that because they talked about this in this student of the form up until that point and here's my take on that because they talked about this in this episode of their union too meredith was like it was inappropriate the way she was behaving her vagina was out i don't think it was clear enough in that episode that it was such a thing that jen's vagina was out yeah i don't think it

was clear enough that that she was actually being inappropriate in front of the kids. I think if it had been made a little bit, and I think this might have been the producers and the editors maybe wanting to steer away from a narrative of a woman's vagina

was exposed because that has been a thing on Housewives and I feel like they feel like it invades their privacy and i i really don't need a narrative of like whose pussy was out like i i don't like it like they did it with erica jane a couple years ago on beverly hills and you could tell that it like really bothered her that it was a topic of conversation but yeah and i think that that because that's true that they've kind of learned from this and the editors didn't want to make it as much of a thing. But I think ultimately, like, the issue was,

it was a thing and Brooks was responding to it. And so that's, I think it seemed like Brooks was making this issue in order to, like, stir the pot. When in reality, he was reacting to the fact that it happened, which Meredith confirmed on the reunion. She was like, yeah, it was a lot. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Meredith, maybe I am a Meredith. I keep buying what you want to buy. I can't tell you enough. You really are. And it was so funny to me. Everyone, oh my God, readers, it was so funny

because Bowen goes, I'm a Jen. And I was like, you have way too much respect for silverware, glassware, to ever throw it at a party. I wasn't proudly saying I'm a Jen, I said I might be a Jen, unfortunately.

You are the least Jen, explain to me how you're a Jen. That I, when I get angry, I get angry. That's not even true. That's not even true. That's not even true. I'm exploring anger in therapy right now. It's very, very interesting. That's so interesting. What a window in. Is this therapy?

Okay, I think it's time. Yeah, I was going to say, it feels time to do I Don't Think So Honey, which is... I forget. It's our one-minute segment in which we go off on something in culture. Right. I don't think So Honey are written down.

And I was like, what is that? Okay, so I have something. You have something? Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think So Honey is Time Starts Now. I don't think So Honey, Monica Rambeau, Erasure. Okay, because the only thing that people are talking about on Twitter

is Agatha all along, which I understand. But also, you know what else is happening all along? We're getting the origin story of Photon, honey, or Spectrum. It is unclear. But all I'm saying is we got this black woman who gets this unbelievable scene where she gets her powers in the sort of hex thing. And it was an unbelievable scene. It was an artful scene I found it to be emotional

and I thought it was well performed and I thought Tiana Paris came to life like when she got her powers and all I'm saying is this is the origin story

of one of the probably most important characters in the MCU going forward and you go on Twitter and it was Agatha all along and it was Catherine Han

and all I'm saying is examine it because we are getting the origin story of the most important black female superhero. And all over you were like, Agatha, Agatha, Agatha, no, Monica. And that's one minute. No, Monica.

And you know, we stand. We stand Catherine Han and we stand Agatha all along. We stand the reveal. But all I'm saying is there was another thing that happened in the episode that was iconic We stan Catherine Hanna. We stan Agatha all along. We stan the reveal. But all I'm saying is there was another thing that happened in the episode that was iconic and it was not being talked about. And it was that Monica Rambeau finally got her powers. And if you follow the comics, you understand that this is a big, big, big, big, big deal.

Because she goes on to lead the Avengers in the comics. She can see electromagnetism. She can look at the waves and she can sort of see the way well it's unclear what her powers are you know that she's like got blue eyes but i was like i was like what is it and then i was reading about it apparently in the comics she can turn herself into energy yes yes yes Which I don't know how that works, but excited to find out. Me too. Me too, girl. Alright, and this feels like Bowen's ready.

Oh, I just got an email from the Taylor Swift official store. What did you order? My Evermore hoodie is coming. Oh my god, we are getting a lot of messages. I think we might need to do an Evermore episode soon. Everyone is still on this Evermore thing where they're like, we need...

Someone at work was like, my friend was listening. My friend told me that you guys still need to do an Evermore episode. I go, well, you say it. Just because you say we need to do it does not mean we're going to do it. This goes for guests as well. Thank you for your ideas.

We are not customer service. Some people are really banging the drum about us having certain people on and it's like... No, you're right. I don't think so. It actually, most of the time, I'm like, don't. Don't tell us. Let us provide for you. How about this?

Next week, we have Rose Damu on. Okay, girl? Rose Damu. We're so excited. That's a great episode. So excited. Talk about a WandaVision and Taylor Stan. Maybe you'll get some...

We will be talking about Evermore with Rose. We'll talk about Evermore with Rose. But Rose truly, like, always... I think she is a North Star in the culture. I think whatever Rose thinks goes. Taste. Maybe that's... She is taste.

You'll find out. You'll find out. And we recommend everyone look up her interviews with Timmy Chalamet. She brings up, she asks him if he likes Moonstruck and he says, I love Moonstruck. She has great interviews with Salma Hayek, with Amy

Poehler and Maya Rudolph. She has had some great, great, great interviews with some folks. And we're going to talk with her about that next week. Next week. But before we get to next week bowen yang has his i don't think so honey do you have something prepared i have something prepared love to hear it this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't

think so honey crime scene the vanishing at the siso hotel that sees the hotel documentary it is pure drivel trash the way that it barely spends any time actually focusing on the death of Elisa Lam. So upsetting, so unfortunate, and yet the documentary spends so much time on like the

conspiracy, on like the voyeurism of true crime and how it sort of has ballooned out of control. crime and how it sort of has ballooned out of control. And how it has tainted the whole investigation of Elisa Lam so that it sort of removes all the humanity from this poor

person who unfortunately passed away on the property. It goes into this terrible, shallow analysis of what Skid Row is and what it meant for what it could have possibly meant for the death that she might have gotten drugs from skid row it was truly such five seconds like pulpy bullshit and it was so like dehumanizing it was so disappointing and

i think like we're hitting some like critical mass with true crime stuff okay that's one minute that's one minute so basically you're saying that it was true crime about true crime it was true crime where there was a layer where it was just so you would have it was very watchable i'll say but so much of it was like the sensationalism of every way it was just sensationalizing the death itself by being like and here are all the crazy things that have happened at the sisa hotel all these serial killers and suicides and all this stuff. And Skid Row is a thing. And this girl might have gotten

drugs from Skid Row and then had a bipolar episode. It was just like there was a way to present this story without going into... And then there's some valuable stuff about, yes,

the voyeuristic aspect of true crime, or like of all of these web sleuths were trying to solve the case as the investigation was happening, as the autopsy report was being put together. But then like, it ruins this one person's life. But like, I don't think we needed to see that.

And it, it's all like, I don't know if any of it's useful. And I think we're hitting, we're hitting a, it's like, we're, we're reverting back all like, I don't know if any of it's useful. And I think we're hitting a place. It's like we're reverting back to like dateline-y, like maybe it's always been this way and I've just checked out,

but like it feels like a really weird, anachronistic era of like covering grisly deaths like this. Where it's like, wait a minute, let's actually just like, yeah, try to present the facts and not have it be embellished in like all this other nonsense. Yeah.

I think that anytime they figure out something is working, like, uh, you're going to get a mass amount of it. And with true crime, that's actually kind of interesting and maybe harmful because it is removing the humanity once it's just like, Oh thing works commercially and now here's all of it but i think it's i think because it's got a lot of bad reviews and people are like

this was so poorly handled that i think now hopefully we're at a point where people are like the people who make these shows are like this this is not working anymore. You know? Yeah. Yeah. It's just, anyway, I was talking about it with Greta and she was like, it's so bad. And I was like, yeah,

it's just like true trash. Did you watch I Care A Lot yet? No, I hear it's, I hear Roz. Everyone's hating it. Well, but people say,

but people say Roz is good. Well, that she's good, but like that, what it's about is like oh i don't know but maybe we'll watch it and we'll talk about it next week because i'm sure rose has watched it sure i mean i mean i think we've like also turned recording with netflix where a lot of the program on netflix isn't because there used to be a time when you would watch when a show would be in the conversation

that was on netflix and you would go into being like well it must be good and now i don't think that's true anymore i think now people are watching Netflix shows because they are in the conversation, but it's not, there's no assumption going in that it's going to be quality. Oh, yeah. I mean, now it's

literally how they do it now. It's just, we're going to push this thing to the front and everyone's going to watch it. And that's their way of sort of controlling what gets consumed. But it's like the Emily in Paris of it all. Emily in Paris is not good, but everyone watched it. Oh fucking.

I don't think so. Any HFPA because there's this whole thing that came out. Emily in Paris, people like basically bribed them. Well, this has been happening since the beginning of time. Like, like the HFPA is a joke because it's an easy target because it's

such a small body exactly and they can and have been bought forever like so it's just kind of funny to see everyone like coming around to this now like whenever the Golden Globe nominations come out and people are like this snub I'm like you guys

that just means that they didn't play the game like it's fine like it's so cool to be snubbed by the HFPA like means that they didn't play the game like it's fine like it's so cool to be snubbed by the hfba like it just means it means you're not like literally going for it like in terms of like buying these awards like they don't matter like they're there's a reason why they're not in the egot you know what i mean they're they're not an actual reputable awards body i always feel like if someone i like wins a Golden Globe, I'm like, yay! And if someone doesn't, it's fine. You're fine. It's not like the Oscars

or the Emmys, which are actual reputable awards bodies with a large voting base. You know what I mean? Whatever. Anyway, what an ep. Truly freewheeling. There was many a winding turn. What can you say, Matt?

I would say that every day is a winding road. And with that, every day is a winding road. Get a little bit closer. Every day

is a winding road. Get a little bit closer to hear that song listen to the end credits of the movie say it I don't know Erin Brockovich bitch Erin Brockovich

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