Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Maggots or Magic" (w/ Betty Gilpin)

Episode Date: July 17, 2019

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It's been a while. And you're already attacking me. You have not. Seconds in to me seeing you once again. Because you haven't expressed any interest in coming to see my new apartment. I have expressed optimal interest in doing so. No. It's just that you were at Sudi's house when I came back off the plane and I, by the way, it was a

lot for me to come right from the plane to my friends because it was late at night and I was drenched in a humid sweat. You're embellishing by omission. You're leaving out the fact that you went home first and then that was a harrowing thing. Because I had three bags. It was harrowing.

You walked into a new toilet. Okay, so this is what happened, listeners. So here's the deal with my apartment in Greenpoint. It has a roof in the bathroom or the ceiling in the bathroom will constantly cave in. Constantly. I don't know what to do or say about it because I tell my landlords and they fix it. I'm doing air quotes

reader. Yeah. And then I come back and it will have caved in once again. And by caved in, I mean like it leaks. Yes. And so I get back. I've been in Los Angeles for about five months. I get back to my apartment. It is sweltering hot.

I'm already devastated. Since you know, in Los Angeles, it's very dry. Very dry. Very dry. Big difference. So then I walk into my bathroom. It is so, so, so hot. And clearly the ceiling has caved through

and they fixed it again. But what they didn't fix was the entire floor of my bathroom was covered in what I can only describe as like liquid garbage. And the toilet bowl itself was filled. And so then I went over to Sudi's and saw you. And you were attacking me for not coming to see your place. But you've been very busy too.

I have been busy. I want to come over. We'll do it tonight. Oh but you're going to some show? I'm going to go do a show at the Bell House but I'm going to come over. Your energy. I what? You attack. I'm giving none. You have the cougar attack. No. You have the attack

you have the instinct of a cougar. I just I'm feeling very... You're feeling disconnected? No, I feel so overwhelmed. I want to say so much. We have so much we haven't talked about. I want to say, first of all, I just want to say it is so crazy that we have our guest today. It's so crazy that we have our guest.

We're going to get to it in just minutes. But I have been in a state of anxiety. I think you and I have had... In a positive state of anxiety. No, but you and I would have these like... What? We had like an hour long conversation in like way back, like season one of Glow.

Solely about our guests. We were just like, oh my God. So can I tell you something? Yes. Well, let me get to this. But first I want to say one thing. Yes. No, I want to discuss it with the guests.

So never mind. Okay, okay. When you say our guest's name in a group of gay men. Oh my God. Everything stops. Everything stops. The water runs dry.

Oh, you know what? You know what? It becomes like the moon and the sun can't figure out who should be in the sky. Can I out this really mean game that you LA gays play? You LA gays?

You LA gays, he said. I was there in January and then we went out one night and oh no, this is March. We went out one night and all these LA gays were la gays i was i was there in january and then we went out one night and oh no this is march we went out one night and all these la gays were playing this game called you are star or good actress is that what it is it's where you say actors are star and so one of these don't use an example because our guests will be humiliated. So some gay man in a circle will say an actress's name. Go ahead and say it. Sandra Bullock.

Star. I was going to say. And in the last five years, actress. I was going to say Amy Adams because this was like a really, really divisive polarizing one. Okay. People were like, some people were like, she's a good actress. She's not a star. And then I was like people were like some people were like she's she's a good actress she's not a star and then i was ridiculous to me both i think she's both

i think amy is brilliant and both but this is just a anyway this is just to illustrate the catty discourse that we that we apply to all these women first of all i i literally this is a roundabout way of saying if you were to say the name of our guest you would say actress and star just 100% breaking the meter can I say something about okay so this it's my favorite performance on television

is Betty Gilpin and Glow I can name a scene that I keep watching but you go you say the scene after I say this it's the fact it's and watching. But you go. You say the scene after I say this. Okay. It's the fact. And I don't say this lightly. It's streepian to be so, to be access like bigness and like theatricalness and also deliver the small. And that's why I love Glow.

It's like, and it's unlike any other show on television because it's so interior, but it's also like, the whole point is how exterior it is. Does that make sense? I absolutely, that absolutely tracks. She's gotta go! She's taking it out! I said the word streetpian, and she's gotta go.

But I said, I actually said to Louis Vertel, I was like, don't you get street vibes? And he said, yes. Absolutely. And you're worshipped. And it's deservedly so.

So, um. And we had to get that out of the way, because now we can have a normal conversation. We can have a normal conversation. I just have to say. Go. Hospital scene season two. You have, and before I watched it,

you had been saying. And I keep, and I told you, I was like, you gotta watch out for this hospital scene. Yeah, it was so good. The breaking point. I'm not gonna do the reading. Don't ever do that. It's actually real culture number 10.

Don't ever do the reading. Don't ever do that. It's actually real culture number 10. Don't ever do the reading. Now I, and I just, and I'll do it by myself in my apartment just to practice. Placement. Just to practice. Placement of vocals? Just, she's just.

We are gagging right now. Oh my God. It's the most beautiful. We are gagging for her. We're gagging for her. So everyone, please welcome. Wait, no, no, no. I want to say one more thing.

Because now I have my favorite. Yes. Yes. The scream of her. So everyone, please welcome. Wait, no, no, no. I want to say one more thing. Because now I have my favorite. Yes. Yes. The scream of grief in episode four when like, okay, so episode four of season two of Glow. Season two. There is a moment where her daughter, unquote, unquote, gets taken. And she just, the screams of pure grief. Yes.

Like the performed grief. I can't. It's just so good. I love the show. I love our guests. And this must be kind of irritating it's not irritating I don't think because we love but we love her so much

so please welcome into your ears Betty Gilpin holy shit I'm actually shaking and my heart is pounding come on I am a huge fan oh my word hyperbolic world where we all have to give each other compliments, we don't mean

it's all over the top. Then you look in the mirror at the end of the day and you're like, what did I just say to people? I have, I found you guys a couple months ago and at a time where it's been like a year of basically like loneliness in hotel rooms. Darkness. Yeah. So some darkness, but also like fun.

But like being away from like my people and really missing them and stumbling upon you guys and just like writhing in joy. I mean, I now can't listen to you on planes because I'll be escorted off the plane. It's biblical what I feel for you guysorted off the plane. It's biblical what I feel for you guys. It's crazy. My heart was pounding in the car over here. I've been waiting for this for months. That is so unbelievable. Well, first of all, thank you for saying that. But we are like, I mean, you are

truly, like you, we even said, we were like, where the fuck has this person been? Like, first season of Glow. Crying in my apartment. Yes, yes, yes. Crying in my apartment. It's been a decade. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. But you've been out there. You've been out there. But, like, this is, like, such a great showcase. And I feel like it's our first time meeting you. So I have to, I feel like. So we're just really, like, piling it on. But anyway. Thank you.

And listener, if you're out there and don't agree, I'm with you. I'm on your side. Can you imagine watching this show and not're out there and don't agree I'm with you I'm on your side can you imagine watching this show and not being like I don't know I don't know about Betty I should mention new season 3

August 9th August 9th Netflix okay and also Gina Davis is gonna be on it's crazy it has to be crazy

it was insane and we first met her like Ally, Bree and I were in full Liberty Bell and Zoya and we were walking outside in ali brie and i were in full liberty bell and zoya and we were walking outside in a parking lot and our shadows like the sun was behind us and casting these crazy shadows of our crazy silhouettes my hair is like wild insane and in comes this car in the parking lot we were like i don't know how i know this but that's gina davis yeah yeah like

our shadows are like 30 feet long. She drives up to us and like we all just start. She rolls down the window. She's just like starts laughing. And I was like, oh, burst into tears. Oh, my God. That's crazy. Has she been like one of your mains for a long time?

Absolutely. Yes. I think actress and star. Actress and star. Oh, my God. And you know, you know, I will say this. Actress and star. Can you imagine? Wait, know, you know, I will say this. Actress and star. Can you imagine?

Wait, actress and star and also A League of Their Own, one of the most underrated films I think should have been nominated for Best Picture. Yeah. Like that is such a,

honestly, a sort of pre-glow glow. Yes. In many ways. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I mean,

I feel like there, she's one of those people where you look back at some female performances where you're like, okay, of those people where you look back at some female performances where you're like, okay, star. And then you go back and watch it and you're like, actress. Like your feet are 1,000 feet deep into the earth.

100%. Yeah. I mean, she's amazing. And also there's, now I'm remembering, it's like she's so strong that whole movie. And then when her husband comes back, spoiler alert for A League of Their Own, I guess. But when her husband comes back and there's that break League of Their Own, I guess. But when her husband

comes back and there's that break and it's just, you realize how much tension she's had the whole time. It's like, that's work. Yes.

You know what I mean? Yeah. God. Gina. And Madonna and Rosie are great. Madonna and Rosie. And Rosie turns

into fun performance. She really does. I was a huge Rosie show fan. Oh yeah. Big time. Went to a taping. You did? Yes. Did you ever, remember when those people people they would throw to those people and they'd be like hi i'm so-and-so

from so-and-so oh yeah that wasn't you was it no no okay but we all got um jerry mcguire vhs is under our seat because of her huge crush on oh my god imagine being imagine like writing writing the 90s it's like you're at the rosie show and you get Jerry Maguire on VHS is the joke that you write. Write the 90s. Oh, that's funny because Jerry Maguire was kind of the first movie I saw as a kid that I was like, oh, I'm watching Tom Cruise and who is it? Kelly Preston have sex. Yes. And for some reason I'm only interested in looking at Tom.

Wow. Turning point. So for me that was like an imprinting of like, ooh I'm gay but for Rosie it was like I'm taking cover behind this in the closet. That's interesting. That was the movie that, that was the first movie that Bowen's parents took him to that was R-rated. You told me this.

No, that's not true. Yes you did. You said that was an R-rated film they took you to. They didn't take me, they rented it from Blockbuster. Oh, well then it was the first one that you watched with your parents that was R then there was a movie to watch with your parents yeah the next one was scary movie oh anyway this isn't this isn't interesting oh my god wait everything you say is interesting literally i i i gotta like just take it down i had to i was like rehearsing in my head oh my god what on earth i mean like the like the question i was like rehearsing in my head. Oh my God. What on earth? I mean, like the question. I was like, what's my answer to the music question?

I was like, no, no, no. It can't sound rehearsed. No, no, no, no. It's food. Whatever you say. And in my research on you today and yesterday, I was like, wow, she could say so many things because you have quite the hist. Ori.

And then what are you doing? You're talking about personal history? Personal history. By the way, I just want to say shout out to my friend Gus Hickey who you went to high school with went to high school with

yep we did a production of Wonderful Town together I love him so much he was in my brother's class I feel like I was a senior when he was a freshman yeah yeah

okay so we were hanging out we went to Oil Can Harry's in LA shout out Oil Can Harry's and I remember before we went I was talking to him. And I mentioned that you were going to come on the show.

Because this is when we received word that you were coming on. And I was so excited. He's like, I went to high school with her. We were in a musical together. I was like, she sings? He goes, does she sing? Oh. Does she sing?

I'm bored with the narrative of an actress being like, I don't sing. And then a second later being like, ooh. But I don't like, i have a coffee shop voice i would so much rather hear a mezzanine voice so you're saying it's a voice that is at this table we're all going to be entranced and enchanted no i i'm saying that i could give you like a pitchy moon river on my own time. I see. But I couldn't give you eight shows a week like a pop belt. Like I saw Oklahoma last night.

Have you guys seen it? I haven't seen it. Oh my God. Is it stunning? Well, first of all, my high school ex-boyfriend from when I was 15 is the lead. Oh, fuck. And his voice is so crazy. Wait, your ex-boyfriend from high school?

Yeah. Is, plays, what's his face? Curly. Curly, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, and it's, he had a voice in high school, but it's turned into, I mean, it's the sexiest ghost you've ever heard.

It's crazy. And I just feel like only people who are really good, like you have a fucking crazy voice. Stop it now. You do, you do. And control, and your ear is crazy. Oh, thanks. I'm not interested in a ukulele

four-note range, and that's what I have. Well, you know what, though? Here's the thing. First of all, I want to ask, how was Allie Stroker? Oh my god. Amazing. Went to school with us. We knew her in college. Whoa.

Did we know her? You know. Well, she was playwrights. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so she would be like the parties I would go to. And she was always like the, you would just gravitate towards her. Yeah, she's a star. And she was a star even in college.

With the craziest voice. NYU. NYU. Yeah, yeah, yeah. NYU, yeah yeah NYU yeah yeah well because we used to go to Skidmore Comedy Festival

oh oh oh but we went to NYU we went to the what do you call it the oh the real estate firm NYU yeah

I like Celebrity Daycare Celebrity Daycare and then the other one the third one in the pattern is multi-complex headshot studio or multi-something anyway but no studio um or multi something anyway um but no um but ally was yeah ally was great ally i cannot wait to see it because i heard she's

amazing it was a real i mean i too have been away from new york for a long time it's been almost a full year away um and i grew up here and live here and love it so much and whatever, have my struggles. But like it was the first night, like New York night back. And I met up with my best friend, Ryder Doyle. Ryder! Is Ryder in town? Yes. Oh my God.

Oh, maybe that's a secret. Sorry, Ryder. He's hiding amongst the peeps. He's everywhere. I look at his Instagram and I'm like where are you I know he's all over the map

yeah but like going to Oklahoma and just from lights up sobbing like I just I've been feeling like

I don't know there are so many aspects to this fucking business and I've definitely been I feel like away from

I think that's why I found your podcast at the exact right time. I've just felt a little far away from, you know how in Los Angeles you can find yourself like around a sect of humanity that's like, oh, you're like, oh, it's not bad that you got into this for different reasons than I did. And it's not bad. And I used to be kind of than I did. Absolutely. And it's not bad. And I used to be kind of elitist and judgmental about it. But that is my thing and not theirs. Right, right, right. But I feel like sometimes there's like crashing reminders of why you love this. Right, yeah.

And I feel like that was, I don't know, Oklahoma. Right, no, because there's like when you're watching theater, I think like it would be really hard to fake that you love it. But when you're watching a group of people who really love what they're doing. Right. You feel that. And like special theater productions like that. Like that's kind of like the Jimmys the other night when I was there. What I love about this is that there are like 60 kids on stage right now who are

so excited yeah and they love what they do so much and they are they know this is such a moment yeah and this the purpose with which they walked on the stage and the when they announced the finalists like how excited they were for each other and like and just then watching them come out and like take center and just do that and like they all were so good and it's just that i think goes a little bit away yeah and i i hate to talk like i'm like 59 000 years old but it's like calloused by the industry right right and so that is i was when I was reading today, you had a quote that said, you know, you did the theater to like feed your soul.

And then you did like your little gigs to, you know, pay for your rent and stuff like that. So it's like, is it hard to find like joy in those things that are like, okay, we're going to cut.

Now we're going to take a lunch for six hours, et cetera. Yeah. I mean, I guess the thing that I'm feeling these days is like it's – I feel like the stages are like, okay, you find your people and find what you want to do.

And then there's this chunk of time where you do it just with and for your people. And you're like, God, isn't this going to be so amazing when it goes out into the next stratosphere and into the world that I can't wait till that happens for us. And then when it happens, you're kind of like, this is amazing. But oh, now, like everyone that used to be receiving this were my friends and received it like with such care and attention, like a new me. And, you know, it can feel like you're writing this

little, like, scroll of, like, here's who I am and sending it out to the world. And when your friends are receiving it, they're like, got it? No, exactly. Yes, I see you exactly

for who you are. And when it gets to a different plane of, like, okay, now I'm sending it out to a bigger chunk of the world, like, there's a chunk of the world that's like, I'm bored. Or like, oh, this is what it is. And you're like and you're like oh no that's not that's not what the scroll

says wait wait wait you're getting it wrong um and uh what was the no what you're saying is so 100% dead on and it's I'm thinking right now like sometimes we get just like the right guess at the right exact time because like I'm hearing this exactly

something that something that like I could. I'm hearing this exact same thing. Something that like I could cry because something that like I feel like is going on right now is like you're having like so much success. And like it's starting to like I'm starting to work a little bit more. And it's like we live on different coasts now a lot of the time. And it's like when we started doing this, it was like truly so that we could like do 90 minutes together just to like play together yeah and you know as things change a little bit over time like um like that you you have to work to make those things still feel right there yeah what i mean because it's the greatest gift and the greatest curse to do what you love or to be sending out that thing that you've been dreaming of sending out. Because sometimes it feels like soul church and sometimes it feels like you're stage there's no checkpoints of people being like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Is that the right choice?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. That's too big. Whoa, that's too weird. Like if a scene is going well, it's a perfect clear highway from my brain out my mouth. And knowing that there's a result or people who may not necessarily get me or not like me or like when I think about the comment section or whatever, then there's like 10 new checkpoints. And it makes the work shitty. And's i don't know it i i needed to come back to new york a hundred percent it's a complication that comes up when people can receive what you're doing right yeah 10 new checkpoints let's just say yeah you see the comment section it's 10 new

checkpoints that are like permanently posted up in your in your brain at this point or no they just it just takes a while for them to like go away yeah it takes a way to kill them or like a while to kill i mean like it could take five minutes or it could take a little while but like it's no that's so interesting i mean i want to ask you like what is your ideally calibrated ratio of like well not ratio but like your distribution of like let's say there's no check points what's your ideally calibrated ratio distribution of I don't even want to break it down no

I was gonna ask a really basic question of like TV or stage and film you know but like what is like right now Betty Gilpin what it's June 25th 20 no 26th, 2019. What's your ideal sort of platonic ideal place for your career? I mean, I guess I'm, this sounds so gross.

I'm right now at a point where I'm in uncharted territory, where I'm like a little nervous about, I'm a big person, like out loud, I'll be like, I only want this. And I've definitely gotten past that point because I, I out loud was like,

you know, if I'm on one episode of a multicam and can help take out the recycling at a casting office, I'll be like secretly being like, I have dreams. And like, so I'm, I guess guess i'm i'm just feeling like okay this is this is a tangent my mom had a sister with down syndrome um and she loved the

museum of natural history but was terrified of the big dinosaur skeleton in the lobby um but loved the rest of the museum and that that's how I'm feeling about Les Bands. So they would, and her family would put an overcoat over her head and like stiff arm run her through the lobby to get to the rest of the museum. And I'm like, okay, there are parts of this business that I feel

are actually like hurting me and eating my brain. For real. Like I feel it happening. I see, I see it happen where success can make you dumber, sadder, not like yourself also, or like yourself a lot in a way that's gross.

You stop listening. Like all the things that I think like make a good actor or a good person. And I'm like, okay, Betty, what you need to like figure out what parts you just need to put a coat over your head and run through it and not look or listen. Yeah. I mean, literally whatever is like, I don't know, happy and healthy. I love that because you know what? Because it's like your mother's sister wouldn't have.

Sorry to mention you aren't married. Sorry. But like some things are not like exposure therapy necessarily. You don't gain anything out of like confronting it or just like being at its presence for like a long enough time. Like you truly don't get anything out of. Like your mom's sister wouldn't have like overcome her fear of the dinosaur. Right. Just actually looked at it.

It's like, no, like sometimes you just know those things are scary. Sometimes you just fully get, get out of, get yourself out of that space. I don't know. But it's also hard for me.

And I wonder if this for you, me fake knowing you guys through listening to all your podcast episodes. Cause you're amazing. You know us. You know us. Okay, great. We're out of here.

It's for me hard to navigate what come in my life and especially career wise like what comes from shame and what comes from oh I just don't want to do that part. Like like having a public Instagram. I don't have a public Instagram.

And I'm like, okay, are you hiding or are you just not wanting to do that? Is it like 10-year-old terrified Betty or is it like 16-year-old with a camel lighting around me? I'm like, I'm not fucking doing that part. Sure, sure, sure. No, but that's something that I think about all the time is like, why do I put so much effort into the Instagram?

I know you do. You know what I mean? But put so much effort into the Instagram? For comedians it's different. For comedians it's different but it's sort of that same thing where it's like well to be totally honest I don't think either of us ever thought well we'll be out here as a personality. Like I never thought everyone would like I kind of when I was young

I had like those kind of dreams of like I'll be an actor. That's what I wanted to do and still want to do. I don't think those things are super interchangeable now. But it is that thing of the comment section can be rough. I think the dinosaur in the lobby for me is probably feeling like people are going to decide they hate me before they know what I can do. Right. I mean, because because we've decided to kind of come at it from a personality standpoint.

So I think the fact that you don't have like a public Instagram or like like out there just kind of like headlines headlines. It's probably it's fine because at the end of the day, it's like that just shows like you care about the work so much and you put so much into the work. And it shows and you're right that that stuff can get in the way of creating good material. I mean, it really can. Or just I mean, I feel like it's prevalent in a certain city that you and I are in. I watch people's brains just leave, just go. Because I do also think that also, yes, the part where you're just creating work with just you and your friends is so

fun, but it's also painful. You feel invisible and you're like, why is that person being seen by the world? Or whatever, that's a bitter way to look at it. But there's so many times. Yeah. There's so many times where you just feel so small and so like, oh, man, this is like trotting my soul out and putting tap shoes on her. Like this is this hurts today.

Yeah. Because no one wants it. when it's accepted that validation hit is so you're like okay if whatever it takes to continue this feeling and i think like something that i love about theater and that i love about your guys's podcast is like it's a constant one foot is in the river of like baby this is all a joke like life is a joke. Look under the carpet. There's maggots. Isn't that hilarious? And then another foot

in the river of, I believe in magic. Like this world is so beautiful. Let's sing. Like this is, you know, there's a magic circus underbelly to everything. And there's maggots under there,

but look, there's sparkles under here. And I feel like those are both involve um risk and being like alt or whatever and i think it's so easy to realize oh validation feels so good i'm gonna move away from the alt weird stuff and just into this like center circle being of like not listening and having vocal fry and my jokes not being funny anymore oh shit yeah this sort of idea of like um nothing matters it's all fake so let's have fun right it exists a lot less in los angeles there is a lot more cynicism there well because you know like it's a little right darker you know what i mean as lovely as it is and as much as i love being there

it is a little darker and i think it's because everyone is very close to an industry that is like famously tough. And it's like, they kind of take some, it's almost like, uh, there's like a pleasure in the pain. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Whereas like, I feel lucky because we have had a community to like sort of develop in and it has luckily been like a loving community where, and this is so bizarre to even say now, but I do kind of like think that the rise of this sort of like joy and comedy, at least in our experience, and drag sort of come together. Like I didn't understand this whole sort of thing of like everything's fake until I heard RuPaul say everything's fake. Right. I was like, wait,

Oh my God. Yes. That's what drag is. It's what I'm doing. You're doing, you're doing it. Right. We're all kind of pretending to be these things.

And sometimes I think that can, it's interesting to see that idea become so mainstream and so beloved because it directly sort of conflicts with this industry. You know what I mean? I mean, I think it's why the camp theme at the Met ball was so, they still miss the mark. They couldn't say,

this is all a joke because if, if we're saying it's all a joke, then that's their Bible. The Met ball is the thing. And you can't be like, this doesn't matter. And and you can't be like this doesn't matter and you also can't be like and it's magic because magic is too vulnerable and big of a choice no but it's this tautologically flawed thing where it's like the met balls people taking themselves seriously

and camp is about celebrating bad taste and not you know not taking yourself to. Right. But what Betty's describing with like maggots or magic, it's like. Oh my God, title of that. That's like, not to be all like Brene Brown and shit, but like that's like full, like that's, I think that is like the definition of vulnerability of just not knowing what the outcome of something will be. Yeah. Like every day being like a Schrodinger's cat of like either the cat's alive or the cat's dead in this box.

I don't know I'm coming into the situation not knowing and like that's kind of what's like missing from maybe this other city where people are just like thinking they can hack the system and be like I know that the cat's dead and so I'm gonna bitch about the cat

being dead does that make sense? the sense of humor is a little bit different there of course it's like and it's fine and this is not a read i've just noticed that like sometimes like in in like in interactions i have with people the sense of humor will be a little bit more not mean but like it's a little bit more like you know what i mean it's a little bit there's a little bit more shit talkiness yeah yeah which is like i you know what I mean? It's a little bit, there's a little bit more shit talkiness. Yeah, yeah. Which is like, I, you know,

like I'll lightly participate in every now and then. We're all having fun, but it's like, it's like, it's, it's just, I don't, do you,

I don't experience it here that much. Did you, did you, did you watch Nicole Silverberg's video on Twitter? The, the video which was, the jokes, 90% of jokes in every movie are these.

And then it's just like, like super kind of her, just like talking to her, like her, the camera. Yeah. And it's just like super kind of her just like talking to the camera. Yeah. And it's just jokes that are like, let's go shopping. Yeah. No, I get to say that. You don't get to say that.

I get to say that. Or then it's like these non-jokes that are like, don't bring up the hair. It's a high. And it's like all these like kind of pseudo. It's not, they're not actual jokes. Right. But it's like, that's like what, that's what some people's idea of like humor is to be like snarky

no okay another reason that I clung to your podcast was I feel like I was in that world so hard of there's this thing this is the first time in my life where I've had to do press for stuff and it is

a world of people treating not funny people like they're comedians when you say something like oh sorry I've sorry I was late it was raining outside I'm soaking wet and people are like oh my god you're so grounded you're the most hilarious queen that wasn't or once I I answered the door uh For hair and makeup in like a sheet mask And I opened the door And it was as if I did 15 minutes Like I'm George Carlin

Like they were laying down In the hallway I was like this is not What's happening And so when I first Listened to your podcast I was like these are funny people Oh my God. That is so funny. And so when I first listened to your podcast, I was like, these are funny people. These are actually funny.

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available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K., and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me?

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And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're going to save my brain. Here's a question I have. When you do go on those late night shows, are they totally

rehearsed beforehand? Are they like, this is what you talk about, then this, then this? I mean. Not to shatter illusion, but I do want to know. So I've now done three late night talk shows. And the first two, talk about checkpoints.

It's like, I did Colbert and then Kimmel. Wow. And they, and then I just recently did Kimmel like last week. Uh-huh. And they do,

they call you a couple days before. Segment producers. Yes. Like, what do you want to talk about? Yeah. Yeah. And they do. They call you a couple days before. Segment producers. Yes. Like, what do you want to talk about? Yeah. Yeah. And you kind of like trot out your story to them. And they're like, okay, tell that one.

Like, okay. And, you know, I tried to, I also feel like in the theater setting, they're so like, you never talk about the result you never talk about the fact there's going to be an audience it's very like try try in the room and then you know see what happens it's so like quote-unquote not result-based and then like the the silent like superstitious thing is like and then there's going to be an audience and that kind of thing talk shows or whatever and i'm sure joke writing it's you have to be cognizant of the results. Right, right, right.

Because whatever. But I tried to, for the first two, be like, la, la, la, la, I don't want to know. I'm pretending there's not a segment produced. I'm pretending this isn't planned. And I'm just going to go and make it up as I go along. And I did the first two. And the third, the one I did last week,

I was, I had, the second I sat down, I was like, comment section. There are people poised over their keyboards. They've already said, look at her ears. She deserves the death penalty. And it was. The inner saboteur kicked in. Yes. And it didn't go great.

Like, it was fine, but I was very nervous. And it felt like that feeling of the 10 year old me being like, hey, you're stage momming me into this and I don't want to be here anymore. And I told like a story that was like important to me and I was like, oh, I wish I'd told,

this is why people tell fake stories because you're saving a part of yourself or whatever. So I, yeah, it just felt kind of like gross and sad. for what it's worth. I mean, I didn't see your most recent Kimmel appearance,

but I thought your Colbert and your last Kimmel appearance. I thought I was like these, I was like, this is like, this is what these interviews used to be. And like, this is kind of perfect. And anyway,

but that's so interesting that like the fact that you clocked that you were telling yourself comment section and i'm stage and i'm stage momming this yeah that doesn't want to be here right that's that's crazy that you're putting towards this thing that i feel all the time where i'm like i am just i always know this present but not right right the second before something happens i always know if it's like it's so funny like i knew there's that moment where you go on stage or something. Where you're like, I'm going to kill. I'm going to kill or I'm going to be awful. And so lately over the past two years, I think I've been a little bit better at just being like,

even if that voice pops up, it's like, well, you know that voice is going to make you do badly. So defeat it right now. And I'll be better about that. But sometimes you do. You just get in that funk. And that is so interesting. I think it's like a performer's instinct where it's like, ooh, I know better, but we're here. And I'm a human.

And we're being very human out here. Yeah. Because there's an element of performance you can work as hard as you prepare. It's just there's so much up to chance. And just what's in the air or, you know, what part of your brain is asleep or awake. Like, if the right parts are asleep and awake. Yeah.

And there's, you can't control it. You can do things to hurt it, but it's, I mean, I'm so, I'm so terrified that something's gonna happen. I'll read the wrong thing.

I'll look, I'll meet the wrong, where the acting part will just fall out. Has that happened? Well, there was like a This American Life about a baseball, there was like a This American Life about a baseball pitcher

who was like a World Series pitcher and one day, this is horrible, and he just got so in his head and he couldn't, he stopped being able

to throw the ball to the person for the rest of his life? No. Holy fuck. Can you even? Oh, no. This is gonna fuck me up that I can't. No, I'm sorry. Now that I'm talking, no. This is going to fuck me up.

No, I'm so sorry. Now that our heads are like, we could be bad at it. Anytime. This is a thing, though. That thing of when you rehearse. No, no, no. Don't follow me.

I have done this like, oh, God. You know what? Go. Come on. No judgment. Kill those checkpoints. So I had a big audition once.

Major. Great. And like, had a big audition once. Yeah. Major. Great. And like had rehearsed relentlessly. And then you get out there and it's just like you remember how big it is. And you can either say it's that fight or flight. Yeah. And sometimes you just pick that second thing. And it's sometimes I think it's just because that wasn't meant to be a thing.

But you'll always leave like especially audition experiences you know what I mean because that is a high stakes thing are you a good auditioner no I now just

I try to self tape whenever I can and I tape my iPhone to my window and tape the sides next to the iPhone and record my own voice with the other lines. And you send that in

with you reading with you? Yes. I've been called on it like twice. It's the only time I've booked off tape because when someone else is there, I'm like, we can be done. That's fine. Let's just send that one. I get like that too. This is the way to audition. You will book constantly.

Because the window, tape your phone to the window. The sun blows out all the years of hard living for those of us who need it. And you literally tape your sides here next to the phone and read them. It looks like you are 100% off book. You can't see the eyes reading. It's crazy.

I've done like monologues where I've been, and then you just change your eyeline to this page. I mean, it's cuckoo. You're a goddamn genius. That is huge to know. Yeah. Because honestly, I'm always like freaked out because I can never get anyone to come over.

Right. Like we always usually do it together. Yeah. Oh my God, I would put you guys on tape any time. I love it. Seriously, I love it. But I would be like the person to be like Okay we can just do two

I would just And I do just kind of Get crazy when there's an audience When there's an audience of just one It's just me though We're always good together Yeah but you give me like really good feedback And for some reason and this is bad

This is just a bad confession For some reason like I Sometimes I fear it that I'm like God I'm really fucking up and Matt is watching me eat shit it's me exactly my good best friend

my number one I will say this I actually do better like one time Sudi and Bowen put me on tape and I actually felt like I did better because I was performing instead of doing this in front of one person. Yes. Right. Like I prefer an audience to just one person.

Actually, Sudi just put me on tape something when we were in Nantucket. And it was literally me. Sudi got like an award for SNL in Nantucket. And so they put her up in this like nice thing. And I was like just like doing my tape in this like luxe atmosphere. I felt like they were going to watch it and be like where the fuck is he? You'll probably book it.

They're like he's in a luxe atmosphere. We got to get him. Wow that was great. He booked a luxe atmosphere for the tape. I got to try this sides to the window. I will too. It'll change everything. And also you don't have to bother anyone.

Totally. Although my old managers made me buy like the phone tripod which I don't mind Greta has that too that I need to do that the amount of pain it takes to

scotch tape my iPhone to a window it's why have I with scotch tape it's scotch tape yeah you said this thing on

not to quote your own interviews back because that is kind of like an iron hole but I mean this thing that stuck with me is that you were it was the Sam Jones on camera show

and you guys were talking about auditioning and then specifically with Liberty Bell, with Debbie, with Glow, you just talk about this sort of, this attachment that happens when you come across a character or something that you're just like,

wow, I really hope I fucking get this. I love reading about that audition that you had with Allison. Yeah. Who, by the way, is as lovely and amazing as we all think. Yes. Duh.

I feel so bad for Sidebar that people nowadays have to like perform a friendship. Like when they're doing it, they're being like, and we're best friends. Like, I really feel for the Queer Eye guys. Yeah.

Because it can't possibly be. But Ally Bree and you. But I'll show you. We are like, it's crazy. I love her so much. And so you guys met at the audition. In Toronto. For like your callback audition?

Yes. So I had read, it was like, that was like my fifth audition for it, I think. Oh my God. I'd gone a bunch in, I made a tape um and also the thing i'll do is like i'll do the scenes and then i'll do like a weird like ripping off you guys like a

weird video like a lorenz sir video like catco and ripoff video of like me as the character or whatever like being weird like that was that was the last two years. I was like, fuck it. Because there had been so many times where I saw myself on the page and it didn't work out. Girls, Veep, Orange is the New Black. Like so many things that I was like, here we go. Piper, right? For Orange is the New Black?

Oh my God. I mean, I auditioned once. But I was like, well, here we go. Yeah, this is the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were like, no feedback. Oh, no. And so I was like, okay, if the audition is going to be the only time I get to be with this person, then let's just make it weird.

But yeah, I was then filming something in Toronto and they flew her out there, which was like my social anxiety nightmare. Oh, for sure. That they fly Alison Brie out. Yeah, because I'm doing like a guest star episode on something and she's like, this gorgeous movie star has to come to Toronto. I mean, I was like, I'm so sorry. And I remember they told us to wear like athletic clothes and I was like, she's not going to be wearing athletic clothes.

Like I better like show up and like I'm gonna wear a sundress and flip flops and show her look I'm cool too and she was in full like gear ready to wrestle

and looked at my like white Irish factory feet and was like why do you we were supposed to I'm so sorry wow I mean

honestly I would have told her flat out I would have been like I would I assumed you were gonna show up as fancy Allison Bria I should have why didn't out I would have been like I assumed you were going to show up as fancy Allison Brea I should have why didn't I do that

oh my god wait did they so then do you mind if I ask did they have you do they just had you chemistry test with like the wrestling

or was it like the first scene where you guys were in the locker room no they did what scenes were it was the scene in the car

I think in the pilot and then the scene where I come in with the baby and yell at her. Which is a scene and a half. Truly like the thing that hooks you. You're like, I have to fucking watch this fucking show now. Thanks for making that the audition scene.

Oh my God. It's crazy. The gene or whatever brain trick it takes to do that in an audition room is completely different than doing it on camera. Yes. Like, some people can turn it on for an audition, and then it's two totally different muscles. Wow.

But whatever. That's also a tough scene on the page. Of course. You have to really make that work, because the believing that she's going to kick her ass right then and there is a tough turn. Yeah.

And it's one that, like, you guys really made it sing. But it was and it's a really important scene because it's the crux of the whole series really. Yeah. But on the Sam Jones thing I think you just mentioned this thing where you were like

you know most of like as a defense mechanism something that kicks in in your brain is that like well I'm not going to get this. I'm not going to guess. I'm not going to get this. I'm not gonna get this i'm not right for this but then you were like but then like sometimes there's this one centimeter tall person in your brain that's just like maybe i'm right for this yeah yeah like that's like oh like it's like like why like the access to that thing is so it's so hard it's so hard and also i think i did a lot of unhelpful associating like needing to keep parts of my identity around

because I was like, oh, that's what makes me creative is hating myself. Or what gives me access to this is, you know, not liking my face or like having my picture taken. Like that keeps me, me. And I realized like, oh, that's been so, that's the reason I didn't get this, this and this i i've been standing in my own way over and over and over again uh just because what i want like street cred with myself when i'm falling asleep it doesn't feel good wow yeah street cred

with myself when i'm falling asleep that's like like why? It's not cool to be negative. To like, you know what I mean? I think that's the thing. To self-legitimize or whatever and be like, well, I better be true to who, you know, whatever. Like sometimes you just mythologize in this way that's so not productive.

I know. It's like that thing of like, they say you go into the audition like, and you should act like you already have the part. Right. That is, it's hard to get there. Right. Especially when another like sect of people and you should act like you already have the part. Right. That is, it's hard to get there. Right, yeah.

Especially when another like sect of people might tell you like, just do it, let it go, you probably won't book it. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like those two competing things. Yeah. Well, I feel like the thing to do is what we were talking about before

of being like the carpet I'm standing under over has maggots and magic. Like it's not like I'm amazing and fuck it all. It's like this could be magical. This could be terrible. And also it doesn't matter. The people behind the table are just as scared and lonely and afraid of being found out as I am.

And they want you to be good. Yeah, right. They're really, that's the thing too is I keep reminding myself is they want to find the right person. Right enthusiastically yeah show up you don't know what the outcome is and then you just roll the dice oh my god you're incredible betty oh i also now remember like you were fully on that show with sunita yeah which is just like so crazy that she came from our like community i mean i went to her wedding. Yes. And it was,

I mean, talk about culture. Culture. Oh, oh, culture. I wasn't aware. I grew up eating dry chicken.

Oh, please say it. It looked like the most beautiful ceremony. Oh boy. Oh boy. And there were moments, I hope Sony's okay with me saying it, where Kenny,

I'm married to Kenny. you're married to kenny i i mean you know it's it's very theatrical have you ever been to an indian wedding i've never been to one myself it's like you're watching a play like a gorgeous beautiful play and they translate um what everything that's about to happen they're like and now the husband takes a walk with the father and they talk about the moon and then it happens before your eyes and everyone was in tears and then Sunni

they told us it was going to happen because the whole thing is scripted that Sunni bows to Kenny and then unscripted Kenny bowed to Sunni and the whole crowd was like and then everyone was like And then unscripted, Kenny bowed to the screen. Oh my God. And the whole crowd was like, and then everyone was like,

it was so beautiful. I stand a cathartic moment for the whole audience. For the whole audience. That is so good. It was magical. Yeah, I love her so much. She's so great.

She's been a star since day one yeah really she was my entry point to you guys because I was like who are these people liking her Instagram I want to view them

she introduced me to you at the table read for isn't it romantic and back then because Bowen and Betty have shared the screen I was a very sycophantic I was just like

you're amazing and I still am but like anyway that was our first meeting and I love that movie. And I recently, I recently watched it and I saw that you saw,

I watched it. That's a movie about magic and maggots. It is. It's about magic and maggots. And I think that movie is underrated. I wanted more Betty in it. I know. Betty got cut.

I mean, that's what BSJ was saying that all the supporting characters got cut. I know. Yeah. Which is such a bummer. A cool 80 minute run time.

I get it but when they were doing that part where it looked like they were going to do the changing montage and then they didn't do it. I was like I get the comedic choice that we're making to not do it but you want to do it. I know. It's so crazy. It's so

it's crazy to do something and then give it to someone else and be like, see you in a year. Good luck. Changing that into something. I don't know what it's going to be. I mean,

it's crazy. It's crazy. So the theater that you did like throughout your 20s, was that like collaborative stuff or was it kind of just like, like, did you ever like part of creating things or?

No, I was very, you know, I grew up, my are uh actors and were mostly stage actors um and even though like growing up i was like wow they're avant-garde and now i'm like oh they're still even though they're actors they're still very old school of like you did summer stock and you did ar gurney plays and Restoration Comedies and that's due in theater. And that's due in theater.

Another front runner for title of I'm sure. And that's due in theater. Please don't. Although I should say that my dad was one of the founders of EST. So dad, you're cool. Mom, you're cool too. Both cool, both cool.

Wait, this is a good entry point for the question because that's my answer to the question oh great okay is it you ask it though officially just just for um you know uh uh forensic purposes we'll ask betty the question what is the culture that made you say culture is for you and so growing up in theater it's so boring that no it's

not theater i mean i was like on the way over i was like magazines 17 magazines no we love 17 weren't you like stage managing when you were like

a tween or something well yes so I I definitely grew up I grew up in the South Street Seaport in New York I love the Seaport

yeah I mean I do famously put it on my tombstone loves the Seaport I mean I wish we had that. I know. My dad bought with his friend a four-story building for, I believe it's $35,000.

Wow. And doesn't own it anymore. And now it's worth $13 million. You have to be joking. Yum, yum. But it was like it was super old like the

cobblestone streets and everything and the ceiling was like made of old ship parts it was cuckoo it was amazing

but like the size of this room our apartment but yeah I grew up with my parents doing off

Broadway theater and regional theater and like you know I always have been like, oh, it's theater that it really is. It's like the culture around. It's like backstage culture. Like, I think what I'm drawn to is people who are, quote unquote, forced to be together, like tech culture. Like sitting around being like, oh oh we have to be here for 12

hours let's get into it like my mom in a wig cap and a hoop skirt being like come in and shut the door we have to talk about you know who like yes i mean just watching her hold court and that that was culture to me yeah because you've i'm not going to mention it, but like you've made content that is so specific to this. Right. My favorite content. It's just these isolated lines of like someone in a dressing room

or in a trailer just being like. Telling the tale. Oh my God. Extolling. It's so good. Yes. It's so good. Oh wait, okay, so fate,

okay, so like yeah, like beyond just like, just the closeness that you're sort of forced into with tech culture, I guess. Tech culture. Tech culture. I think it's tech culture. It's so great. It's also like seeing people in moments that if they were like, oh, make a TV show about my life.

Do all these moments. And you're like, I'm'm actually it's the tech or the you know them in a wig cap like you know with food on their face being like

I don't know guys today I shit my pants like it's people not at their worst but kind of at their between or something

and I'm also realizing like I was seeing actors that you know in my mind at the time i was like the top that you can be i'm sure they were at the longworth theater and you gave it or k playhouse and you know they were all on their way somewhere or on their way back down it was like dames who had been up here and who were now doing the k playhouse or like ingenues who were like k playhouse en route to something else like kind of seeing

seeing the between moments yeah and just betweens like on some smaller microcosmic scale than betweens on a larger life right i guess that's what fucks with my brain so much about press is that there's suddenly this thing of like, oh, now we all have to pretend that we're these perfect, like when I go sit and talk to Jimmy Kimmel or whatever, professional artists have been working on my face and hair and body for two hours before you've seen me. And I fit with a stylist and like it's tailored within an instrument. Like it's the opposite of between culture.

It's like the most. Binary thing. Either you're ready or you're not. Yes. Right. Right. Yeah. Go out there, you know.

Yeah. There's no like wink at the smoke and mirrors. No. Right. There's no magic. There's no magic. No. And it's so confusing to me

and then and then there's like especially like you start where you start which is truly the love for the craft like you love even the tech of it all and then you get to this place where you're on a hit show on netflix and they nominate you for an Emmy. And then you go to the Emmys. And it's like, what the fuck? It's like, that's like the height of it, right? Right, right. That like prodding out of like, which one will it be? Right, right.

It's like crazy. Yes, yeah. I feel like it's, I've been thinking about it like, and I play, so often I play characters who are like, I've entered the room and think I'm fantastic yes and that's

yeah it is it's part of what you do yeah which is crazy but I try to like it's like in theater school or whatever you

I also by the way I'm not one of those actresses who was like why did you make me leave the house yeah yeah yeah I'm not putting on a show yeah of course

this is my dream is it's crazy I love I'm yeah, yeah. I'm not putting on a show. Yeah, of course, of course. This is, my dream is, it's crazy. I love, I'm a show person and I'm not like, why didn't you just let me write in my journal?

I want it to be alone with the mice. Right. It's just the, here's what it is. It's like, I love the, the soul church feeling

or whatever, like the Joan of Arc monster-y part down here and channeling that into a scene, like screaming with your baby or whatever. And then in order to get those parts, you have to kind of commute through this, like, Kylie cell

of, like, you go up here and you put on fake eyelashes and you pose through it and you answer Miley or Madonna questions. And you're kind of like cutesify yourself a little bit. But you gotta keep that trap door open to the Joan of Arc parts because if you stay too long up here

that trap door is gonna cement over and you'll be this person forever. And that's what I'm talking about of like, that's what scares me. That's why I'm always like, for the last Kimmel appearance I wanted to tell the story of shitting my pants

at Nurse Jackie. Because I was like that'll keep the trap door open. Like yeah I'll be I'll be whatever Kylie Barbie person but I'll be telling a story about the grossest

craziest stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like I'll still be me. And the guy on the phone was like don't tell this story please don't because to me it was a metaphor for like I had started to I had to be naked a ton on that show so I'd like

started to treat myself like oh the reason you're here is the Kylie Barbie stuff not the Joan of Arc stuff and I could feel the trap door slowly closing and I feel like shitting my pants was like the Joan of Arc part, like kicking it open, being like, you're a fucking monster. Yeah, yes.

It is that thing, that mix of like needing to play the game and also wanting to fucking act. Which you and I kind of talk about. I mean, it's a totally different scale and it's a different sort of exposure, of course. But it's also like sometimes we're like, oh, we didn't think we would have to do this part. And we have to like... Like cutesify it. Cutesify it and like really just like reduce our friendship, our 11, 12 year friendship at this point

down to like three bullet points. It's funny, like when we have to go into rooms and like pitch our friendship. We have our whole thing. I bet that's crazy. Yes, right. Do you do things to water it to keep the... have to go into rooms and like pitch our friendship. We have our whole thing. We have a set. Yes, right. Do you do things to water it to keep the realness of it? I mean, it was funny

because the one time we were in Las... I don't know if you can share this. We were having like a... We were having a... We were in a little bit of a spot, he and I. And we were kind of like having a little bit of a rough week. And we would have to go pitch ourselves. Because Las Cotteristas for a minute there was going to get pitched as a TV show.

And so we were going from place to place. And we were just like, ah, everything's great. And then silent in Uber. Silent in Uber. Wow, wow, wow. I'm furious. Yeah. I mean, but it kind of like it gives it this an, it gives it this topography that like I would not trade.

It's, but it is, it's, it was a very interesting, to be in Los Angeles doing that. I was like, huh, this is what people,

this is like what this is. And like, that was just like, it was truly part of the ebb and flow of our, of anyone's friendship. It started to feel like merrily we roll along. It started to feel like, just like this friendship,

this partnership just breaking down over like reverse time or whatever. Well, I feel for you guys because it must be the world is so thirsty for authenticity

and things being actually funny and like you guys being so in touch with things that are becoming extinct. Like being actually you're so fucking hilarious and smart you guys. And that it's you're basically with things that are becoming extinct. Like being actually, you're so fucking hilarious and smart, you guys.

And that it's, you're basically the last few people on earth, so congratulations. But it's like, I wonder if it's a matter of like keeping that trap door stapled open and being like, that's our thing, that we just have constant access to that instead.

But sometimes it can totally feel like you've like that Jimmy Kimmel thing. If it, I thought it was going to feel like I've got the track. Is this metaphor tracking? No, I guess. Yes. So,

um, to me, I was like, this is going to be my way of holding it open and being like, yes, I'm in these clothes, but here's a, a dark,

weird part of me that real is real. And I sat down and I, there were so many checkpoints in my brain that I realized like, oh, it actually is like, was a Joan of Arc monster part of me that I then like threw a bow on and some lip gloss on. It was like, come on, honey. Like we got to sell this thing. And that part of me was like, and now you hurt me. And I, you know, know it's it's so hard to navigate when you're doing that and when you're not yeah it's been i will say it's been kind of nice and i feel lucky i don't know how you feel but at least over the past couple years i kind of was like if you commit to being yourself yeah that actually is what it is. Like whoever you are,

as long as you commit to that, like and are that truthfully, whether that's a funny person or that's a very smart person, a very talented person. I think as long as you commit to being who that is and of course,

there's those little moments where you have to, you feel like you have to like, you know, negotiate what people want from you. Right. It's about figuring out like, well, how do I be me in this scenario? You know what people want from you right it's about figuring out like well

how do i be me in this scenario yeah you know what i mean i think that's when as the stakes have gotten a little bit higher like you know and things things happen it's just every time i go on like a podcast and i'm being myself it's like recently i had someone like attack me for using a certain word like i used the word um i i know it's i know it's i shouldn't say it now and i'm gonna make an effort but i used the word psycho to say something was like crazy right or like bad i i use it was cuckoo so i used the word psycho and someone like really was like hey i'm i'm a psychotic and like that really hurt me when you said that and i was like well i mean this is just gonna come with the territory it's like hey you'm i'm a psychotic and like that really hurt me when you said that and i was like well i

mean this is just gonna come with the territory it's like a you're gonna have to be more careful about what you do and like hear people because what he's saying is a real thing and b it's like i would never have thought that but that's just it's just like you learn that and you take that and then you're just gonna take that and that's part of what you know now and then you just be you try your best to be yourself at your best the next time but then but knowing yourself is not thinking of yourself as like a fixed point it's thinking of yourself in terms of these axes of like i'm i'm a joan of arc or i'm a kylie right right right yeah yeah and it's hard to know when that stuff is helpful and when it's not like emotionally cutting the

next day i watched the first part of it, the Kimmel thing, and then scrolled right down to the comments. Yep, you always do. I do. I get it. There were like three compliments that I just didn't even see. It went right through my brain.

And one person wrote, like, like, like, like. She says like a billion times. She's a ditz. What is her purpose? I was like, you have to watch that, Betty. Next time, don't say like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't even do that in real life. Come on. Like, you have to watch that, Betty. Next time, don't say like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't even do that in real life. Come on. Like, you don't want to appear stupid. And then I was like, no. Yeah, who cares? Wait, then you'll just, no words will come out of your mouth. Right.

It will be only checkpoints and no content. It will be only Kylie and no Joan of Arc. And the trap doors sealed. Exactly. And the trap door will have closed. Yeah. Oh, my God. We must keep it open.

We must keep it open. I can't believe we're... This is soul church to me, just talking to you. Yes! Coffee shop, Amber. God,

you're just incredible, Betty. You just, I mean, for what it's worth, we just fucking love you. I mean, it is, when I say it's my favorite performance on television, I'm 100% being real.

No, it's, because, because it's fun, but it's also so emotionally grounded. Thank you so much. Like, that fourth episode of the second season, whoa. Like, I would've gotten this.

It was, did you remember this one? It was kind of sort of like very, very Debbie and also very, very Welfare Queen. Yeah, yeah. It was, did you remember this one? It was kind of sort of like very, very Debbie and also very, very welfare queen. It was like a motherhood episode. And it was the episode where her son comes and sees her. Her son goes to Stanford. Is it when she goes to Stanford?

Yes. And he says, well, I want to see what you do because she gets recognized from the show and he goes and sees her. And it's this horrible sort of like very very very devastating moment where she's playing this racial

stereotype. Kia Stevens is the actor Kia Stevens has a phenomenal Instagram and she's an actual wrestler too Oh really? Kia Stevens is amazing She's amazing She's right there and this scene was and the son too yeah very good actor and and i there was just that moment and then he he was you know he accepted

her at the end because i think that you know that's this is another thing about the show is it was hard it's hard for actresses even now yeah like you get the work and you do the work and then you have questions about the work i I mean, Sunita's character, especially. I mean, sometimes gay men will play star or actress about.

I know. I love that game. I want to play it on my computer. Yeah. It is confusing because it's, I feel like Glow is a good metaphor

for, you know, whatever, the girls in it think they're doing this weird, cool thing with their imagination and powerful thing with their imagination and

powerful thing with their bodies and because they're women in tiny costumes it's viewed with the male gaze first and like what's the expiration date on that like i do have that question to the world that i don't want an answer to comment section of like hey thanks for letting me be here this is so amazing I never thought this would happen. Is it because of the Joan of Arc stuff or the Kylie stuff? Because the Kylie stuff's going to go away. My tits are going to be in my shoes. This Irish face, genetically I was meant to, like,

write a long poem in an attic and die at 40. Like, she's not meant for HD cameras. Oh, my God. So, like, there's stuff that's going to expire. I do, like, quick. So, and I want to be here for gonna expire. I do, like, quick. So, and I wanna be here for a long time.

Yes, and you will. Well, but it's the real thing. No, no, I guess I get what you're saying. But up here,

you're asking that question because it's like, especially in a show like Glow, where it is like, you know, you look at the marketing and of course there are gonna be a lot of people out there

that are like, women wrestling. Right. Yeah. And then it's good, but then you watch the show and it's really just it's just a great story but also when I play

a lawyer I'm in hair and makeup for two hours I never ever get recognized because a I'm fucking nobody but also be like I they beat my face yeah and like like for any part and it's sometimes I'm like is that the always gonna be

the the thing i have to do because i don't know who knows i i hear i hear what you're saying i think that like yeah i mean for me it's just what moves what moves of course me like a gay man like just loving the like i love actresses acting all the time but it's like for me it's just like this second season like I really thought it, I thought the first season was great. I think the second season is fantastic. And I really thought that the way that they handled the Me Too storyline

was very interesting. Because if you remember, your character sort of says, like, what the fuck? Which is, that's an incredible scene. Which is, you know, incredible scene. Which is, you know, you know,

you see it even now on Big Little Lies with Meryl Streep's character and the way that she deals with Nicole. Have a watching it. Okay. You will absolutely be on the floor. It's like very Big Little Lies. Like it is comically,

it's like, it's like overdrawn, but in like beautiful. It's what I like. I want them to be literally eating the walls and they are chewing the scenery but

did you correct me bitch I was trying to find another way around it okay bitch excuse me because I haven't been over to his apartment but like

this is so interesting that like your character was like that's what this is to Alison Brie when she rebuffs the advances of an executive. Right. That was such like a, it almost to me like really showed like this is like a psychology thing that's been in many women for so long. It's not like we all like even thought this could be different.

This is a psychology. This is a thing that has been ingrained. I think that that's something that our show does well. I feel like there's this trend happening where we really want to talk about erasure. Erase, have the outwardly muahaha characters be the ones who are racist and sexist and have everyone else have only scenes

be like that guy's wrong and the end where it's in the ground water like I'm sure if you any of our parents

or any like anyone over 40 or 30 like was interviewed for a long time they'd say things where you're like

ooh don't say that and I think we're doing ourselves a disservice to write scenes that are it's just washing away the fact that there's a

racist, sexist person in every single brain. No matter how big or small that person is. And it's about killing that person and being honest about that person in your own brain. It's its own delusion to write you know right to moralistic things where you know these characters have consonant worldviews with yours it's like no it's like just yeah part of me

watching it was like there was there was an instinct to me when mark when mark's character mark maron's character was like fuck that guy was like, are we letting this kind of white guy be the one to be like, fuck him? But then I was like, I actually think it's just a more truthful sort of very character-driven thing for Debbie to be like, what the fuck? You know what I mean? Especially with the baggage between them.

And I kind of was like, I think it's really dynamic and interesting what they did. Yeah. I loved it. It's perfect. I think it's time. Oh, wow. Is it time?

I think it's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. Okay, so this is, I don't know if you know, but this is our segment that we do. And by the way, we should say, we are going to be on tour. Yes. We announced four new dates. Are you an Orlando queen?

Do I go to Orlando? Or do you let you do you enjoy the parks the park experiences? I know that you're very pro Disney. I've never been to Disneyland.

I would love for you to someday. Honestly, we should go. See the next time the next time you're in L.A. and I'm in L.A. we're going to go. Great.

Because also a lot of cool new stuff will be open like Star Wars Galaxy's Edge and also we can go over to Universal Studios Hollywood and do the new Jurassic World The Ride now I talked

which Bryce Dallas Howard and Chris Pratt have filmed new scenes for I love that iconic Bryce Dallas who I'm gonna say what star

star but actress I think actress and star agree agree agree I think absolutely can I say something about Bryce Dallas Bryce Dallas Howard

you never every time she's on screen I'm like this is crazy I'm like this is crazy because you would never like pick Bryce Dallas Howard but then you start just hear me out

but then you start watching her you just hear me out what but then you start watching it and you're like the choices yeah the theatricality you would never

pick Bryce Dallas Howard no because every time like for example for Bryce Dallas Howard to be the lead of Jurassic World the films it's like kind of kooky

because you think they're gonna go for like someone like a Jennifer Lawrence you know what I mean you think they're gonna go for someone that's like

like Bryce Dallas Howard like she but then I don't know she got that iconic haircut she makes choices every single time someone like a Jennifer Lawrence. You know what I mean? You think they're going to go for someone that's like, like Bryce Dallas Howard. Like she, but then I don't know. She got that iconic haircut. She makes choices every single time. Her and the help is, you are obsessed with the blunt bang. Oh,

right. Hi. I love the, well, we should just know producer Emma just came in. Gorgeous. Dutch embroidered. It's,

you look great but anyway I'm talking about Bryce Dallas Howard so sit down shut up so Bryce Dallas Howard I feel like I watched her in Rocketman did you see Rocketman? No I haven't yet you gotta go it's good and I have PTSD from Bohemian Rhapsody

but Rocketman is good but anyway Bryce Dallas is in it being a cartoon villain, but we love. And Bryce Dallas, never forget, slayed Black Mirror. It's actually rule of culture number 66. Bryce Dallas slayed Black Mirror. Thank you, Patty. She did.

And also, I think it is the cardinal sin of Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom that she wasn't in a more chopped bang and a higher heel. They gave her a ponytail and a flat. I said the iconic moment in Jurassic World was her running from the T-Rex in the heels. Did you see Jurassic World?

Yes. We can't argue that that wasn't the iconic moment. She also has had the resume. She was in Spider-Man 3. She's done a big blockbuster movie. She's not like a total... I don't know. I think it's out of left field that it was her. I love it. I'm not saying I don't like it. I'm saying it's like done a big blockbuster movie. Like she's not like a total. Yeah, but I don't know. I think it's out of left field that it was her. I love it.

I'm not saying I don't like it. I'm saying it's like, whoa, Bryce Dallas is a missile. But this notion that you would never pick her. Like, yeah, you would. She's been a draw. Like she's whatever. Okay. Can I say one thing before we go into that?

Yes, yes, yes. Say. Okay. Say whatever you want. Okay, okay. Really quick. I feel like people like us, show people, weird people, people who were, you know, clowny, hammy, putting on a show.

I'm not making assumptions about. No, no, no. You know, we were clowny, hammy. Kids who were like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then realized they had that, like, dark ham person inside them. And then realized, like, middle school, high school. This is my experience now.

Yeah. Oh, that's not gonna like fly. I gotta suppress that part and just swallow that, keep that down, perch myself on like the arm of this couch and just try to enjoy you watching video games and try to get through this party or whatever. Yes.

And suppress, suppress, suppress. And then for me in theater school, after like whatever, swallowing that part of me for so long, finding people who were like I went out to get Jamba Juice the first day of Fordham Theater with my first gay friend, Brendan Norton. And we went to Jamba Juice. Shout out to her. And he was wearing overalls and a flower crown. And we tried each other's smoothies.

This is so weird. Tried each other's smoothies and in the same gremlin voice said, I like mine better. And I burst into tears. When you find someone.

When you find someone and when that part of you is like hey i'm still here i know like you muffled me for so long and i didn't fit at that keg party for so or or the the sticker trading in middle school or whatever but like i'm here and if you water me with the right people like i can be the best thing about being alive and i I think that that, I'm so sorry. I think that that's why I love your podcast so much. It's just so clear that you guys found each other and that you're doing exactly

what you're supposed to be doing. And I'm just, I'm just feel like I need to like pull you over on the road to greatness and be like, you're going the exact right way. Oh my God. Truly, this is Betty Gilpin. Can we check in? This is unreal.

Thank you so much for that. Can I ask you this? I can't. Can I ask you a question, though? How proud are you of Ryder? Oh, my God. But that's what reminded me. Like, last night, we were just saying, like,

I remember John early on Seek Treatment was talking about he and Kate Berlant and what it feels like to hang out with her after a long time. Just that, like, he was like, they'll laugh and be like, oh, finally, a real laugh. Like, Ryder and I, I was like, if my brain's a house with you, I don't need to worry about vacuuming or putting up. Like, I just prop open the doors, like let the bees fly it. Like it just, we basically don't use English with each other and cry last. I get it. I mean, it's so good finding your people. Yeah, it really is. Put the coat over when you're going past the bones.

Oh, gosh. And yeah. Keep the trap door open. Yeah, keep the trap door open. Don't stay in Kylie too long. I've learned this is soul church. It is soul church. Front runner. Not a front.

Dark horse for title event. I feel like magazine magic is it. That is very meaningful. Thank you so so much. And I really mean it. Oh my god. I don't even know what to do with this. I'm going to dine out on this to myself.

No, he's going to tell a lot of people. He's going to get on the press. He's going to get on his Instagram story. No one's going to listen to it. Oh my God. Fuck. Anyway, well, that was gorge. I feel like now we're going to do I Don't Think So.

No, no, no. Are you kidding? Yes! Even though I'm so nervous. I'm not a comedian. No, but you know what though? You know how many people, non-comedians you've had on that stage, come up and do better than any of the comedians? I'm so nervous I'm not a comedian no you know what though it's not you know how many people non comedians you've had on that stage

come up and do better than any of the comedians I'm so plus you are I'm so out of practice the moment in the last episode of Glee season 2 where like

Glee no Glee oh my god Glee I was like it's actually it's actually rule of culture

number 100 glow is Glee what was the moment in glow in glow It's actually rule of culture number 100. Glow is Glee. What was the moment? In Glow, in Glow, Netflix is Glow. There's a scene where Horatio Sanz is telling them about how they're

going to go to Las Vegas. Betty just goes, I'm sorry, who is this guy? Who are you? It was so funny. He's like, oh, this like my friend and he's like oh oh okay cool sorry and then there was music too that cut out and came back in ah so fun do you get to like i'm not done do you get to like watch it before that you it goes on netflix or you being the star of it uh yes they send it out to all of us on like a little secret link. And this is the first time I've ever

done this where I watched season three and in the final episode I had a zit on my forehead that was people have died trying to climb it. Oh my god. Casting a shot. I can't. And I emailed them being like do we have time to touch this?

It was visible in the Oh yeah. In the moment I remember being like, do we have time to touch this? It was visible in the. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. And in the moment, I remember being like, Betty, put your shoulders down. No one can see it. No. Honestly, go.

Eliminate the checkpoints. Just be. And I was like, this is a career. You sent an email. And they retouched it. And I watched it again. It's gone. Perfect.

Here's the deal. It's a lie. My skin looks perfect in episode 10. I was having a cystic, horrific, medieval breakout. Wait, this is crazy to me. Okay, so you're able to email them and they take that out. And you're telling me that no one noticed those coffee cups in Game of Thrones? There you go.

I think it's on purpose. I think because they're too scared of those actors. I think they run that show. And for someone like a 23-year year old with a headset being like, hey, we're ready to roll. Are you going to keep drinking that? Like, I think they're probably like, I'll drink when I want. And I, not that they're assholes.

It's just like, that's Emilia Clarke. She's in character as Daenerys. For all you know, she could say Dracarys and it could be over. Oh my God. Well, okay. One more thing. Did you shoot the whole season three in Vegas? No. In LA and then we drove

out to Ontario, California for the exteriors. Okay. Because I think probably nothing looks like 1985 Vegas. That's true. Yeah. Vegas now is very Vegas now. So that's the big turn. You remember. They're going to go to Vegas at the end of it. It's a whole family. They're on the damn bus. Can remember. They're going to go to Vegas at the end of it. It's the whole finale.

They're on the damn bus. I can't wait. I just re-watched it and now it's going to be back in truly minutes. I love that. I love. I discovered you on the show but I had been a brie head for quite a long time. There you go.

And we were so excited for Sunita. And Suni in this season. I can tell she's gonna get a lot. Oh boy. Yes. She is, you know, it's really

an all boats rising season. Wow. Yes. I love that. Yes. It's the, I mean, Suni especially.

Oh my God. Wow. Her storyline is, woo. Also, shout out to Chris Lowell. Yes. Because he is quietly

slaying on that show and has been, he's been really great for a long time. And you know, he's great. I'm gonna cherry pick, I'm gonna cherry pick and say that this is like a straight actor

playing a gay character that I'm like cool with. Yeah. Because I bought, you know what? Because you buy it. Because it's, I don't even know the words,

but it feels right to me. Yeah. And also, I thought maybe I was making that up for a second season. I was like, I don't think, but maybe yes. And then this storyline with the,

you know, spoiler alert, but his best friend and butler passes away of complications related to AIDS. And the last scene in, when he's, you can tell there's still that panic about AIDS and he has someone come over and clean the house and he's crying

by the pool and I'm like that is what that looked and felt like to have that moment and to not even really express at least at that stage of that character's sort of journey he wouldn't really even have the language to like say

like maybe I... It's at that time. And the tunnel vision into that marriage. You know what I mean? Just like the kind of... And such good acting. There was really... Wait until you fucking see it. Oh my god. I cannot wait. There's an episode where I was standing up and screaming at my

TV. Wow. Oh boy. it's crazy. Wow. I'm so excited. And Miss Gina is gonna be on. We cannot believe. I love this show. It's so good.

Okay, anyway, so now we're gonna get to Adam. Thanks, honey. But I wasn't done talking about Glee. I can't believe another iconic show yes about with a large cast okay I do have something I do

have something and it's a little bit of a twist on the form a little bit of a twist which we love and stan we love and stan this is Matt Rogers I don't think so any as time starts now I don't think so honey me on a plane okay I Okay. I am disgusting. I am rude. I am short-tempered and I

am loud. Here is how all those things happen. I am that bitch that takes my shoes off on a plane. Even if it's a short flight Huntington and Duggett, I took my kickers off and put my piggies on the ground. I am the person who, not bare with a sock, but that doesn't matter when you've been wearing your sock for a day.

Oh, they didn't smell great. Also, I walked to the bathroom in my socks and used the bathroom in my socks. Couldn't be bothered to put my shoes on. I don't think so, honey. Me on a plane, that is disgusting. I don't think so, honey. The fact that I am rude on a plane.

I had to get up and check my bag for something. The flight attendant said it has to be quick, and I said, without thinking, no kidding. That was rude of up and check my bag for something. The flight attendant said it has to be quick and I said without thinking no kidding. That was rude of me. She was doing her job. I don't think so honey me. I am a bitch on a plane. I don't think so honey me. I am loud. My headphones absolutely blare.

I am always watching the same thing which is clueless. I watch the same film sometimes twice in a row. It covers me. I'm not a good flyer. I don't think so honey me on a plane. Chill out. Take a bike. Take a Xanax.

And that's one minute. Take a bike. Take a Xanax. No, no, no. I didn't mean Viking. I meant Xanax. My best flight experience, I took half a Xanax. Passed out.

Woke up. Didn't have time to take my shoes off and be gross. Do that with Dramamine next time. Just do Dramamine. They'll sell it at the airport. Yeah. It's for motion sickness, but it kind of is drowsy. And so you'll.

The thing is, I'm not a good flyer. And so I do all my creature comforts to make sure I'm okay. I also always drink alcohol on a plane. Yeah. It's like a thing. I like, I will knock back two IPAs in the, in the airport. And then I'll get on there and I'll drink like a Bloody Mary in the sky. Like I'm Don Draper. You're Great Gatsby in the sky.

I'm Great Gatsby in the sky. But I'm Don Draper. You're Great Gatsby in the sky. I'm Great Gatsby in the sky. But I don't think so many of me on a plane. And I've been on a lot lately and it's not good. The shoes worry me because, okay, this is a, this is a, my friend last year had a mouse on his pant leg. On a plane? The mouse was in the air?

The mouse. The mouse was 33k high. And to save the plane, he was like, I need to be quiet. And I need to not talk about this for three months. Wait, wait, wait, wait. So the mouse traveled up. Did he get it out? Yeah, he just shook his leg a little bit calmly.

Left his body. No! Decided not to talk about it for a while. Oh my God. The plane would have crashed. I would say, what I probably would have done, wow, yeah, what would I have done? Would you alert a flight attendant? This is a very...

Not if you're not on good terms with them. No kidding. Your credit score needs to be high. I know, truly. My credit score is about 200 in the air. Honestly, like, my social credit score. But I literally, I know, truly. My credit score is about 200 in the air. Honestly, like my social credit score. But I literally, I heard. Okay, so this is what happened.

And this is a WWYD. What would you do? Yes, Matt. So I heard what had to be a cooler tip over above me. And I said, I heard the ice go. And I heard the water rush. and I said to myself in the window seat I said to myself out loud in the window seat I said well that was ice well that was water and ice and the woman next to me said I don't know I think it might just be the plane I

said I'm so sorry I'm crazy can you just move out of the way real quick so I can look up there and just make sure she goes yeah it's probably fine I was like I know I'm just annoying Can you just move out of the way real quick so I can look up there and just make sure she goes, yeah, it's probably fine. I was like, I know, I'm just annoying. And I went up there and the flight attendant said, sir, you need to be in your seat. And we were on the tarmac, not having taken off yet, nothing.

And I was like, I just need to check my bag. She goes, it needs to be quick. And I go, no kidding. And I'm sorry. It was rough. And I'm not nasty. Was it ice? No, the bag was fine.

It's a mystery what it was. It was a ghost. Okay. An ice ghost. It was an, and I'm not nasty. Was it ice? No, the bag was fine. It's a mystery what it was. It was a ghost. Okay. An ice ghost. It was an ice ghost. Nicole Byer's story about finding a little piece of dried poop in the blanket on Delta. Horrifying. Horrifying.

Wow, you really write Delta to filth there, bitch. Sorry. So this will actually be Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So, and his time starts now I don't think so honey Verizon Fi specifically the technician whose name was Ian who came into my house and like talked down to me

like I was a fool and I was like no no no like trust me like I've like done all the work here like just I've done the speed test like I like am not a I'm like a dilettante when it comes to this but I was like it's bad it's bad it's bad, it's bad, it's bad. And he was kind of putting the moves on me.

Shut up. And I think he was trying to fuck, and I was like, no. And then what he did was, 30 seconds. I'm in a post-private browsing with my porn on my phone, and so at one point he goes, let's test the connection.

Give me your phone. And I was like, okay. And I gave it to him and then he goes on my browser and starts typing S I forget what some speed test thing

speedtest.com whatever S first thing that pops up is Sean Cody and then he which is a gay porn site five seconds

he stops and he goes hmm and keeps and like it was truly embarrassing and humiliating I don't think Sony and Verizon and like it was truly embarrassing and humiliating i don't think that's one of the verizon bios wow that was not really that was not really and i don't think so honey but it was just like a me kind of retelling this harrowing tale with this technician who was like yeah kind of like trying to fuck and then was just like oh wow what makes

you think he was t2f he would just eye me up and down what i'm yeah do it to me no i can't do it to me i can't because i'm bad at just doing this to anybody when it's like when i want to do it to this one yeah no i can't do it he was just like uh-huh oh that was really sexual and he and like and i'm just gonna say the man had a lot of rings on. It was like, and like had like a little, the man had a lot of rings on and like, okay, bash. It was not a bash. It was just like this,

like the stuff was the line. It was all aligning. And I was like, no, this is my night. And he didn't even fucking fix it. And my internet's still bad. I thought you were about to say,

and he didn't even fucking fuck me. He didn't fucking fuck me. And he didn't even fuck me. No, it was, it was not, and it was not cool. I was not, I was like, no, well, that sucks. All right. Verizon, Verizon files is me. And he didn't even fuck me. No, it was not. And it was not cool. I was not. I was like, no.

Well, that sucks. All right, Verizon Fios is Ian. You've been read to filth. You've been read to filth. Anyway. And now the question is, what will Betty Gilpin read to filth? Heart pounding again. Stop. No, this is going to be transcendent. Eliminating the checkpoints. Eliminate the checkpoints. Keeping the Joan

highly. Keeping the Joan trapdoor open. This is Betty Gilpin's I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so honey. Using 2019 trendy empowerment as an invisibility cloak for self-promotion. Yeah. Your IMDB credits are not a step forward for humanity.

Oh. You did not become an actor because you just love humans and you want humans to do well. You became an actor because you want you to do well. 30 seconds. Here's something that's helpful. Going to Africa and helping people.

Here's something that helps no one. Being on a multicamp. Also don't think so, honey, the commercialization of female insecurity. Let's leave the blushing and the don't look over here's to the people who actually struggle with self-hatred. Hi, leave me something. I don't want to see you taking a thousand selfies,

white knuckling it to the top of the mountain, getting to the top of the mountain and being like, who me? How did I get here? I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift. That's one minute. Oh my God. Betty Gilpin.

The fire has started. I fucking loved that. Okay, and you know what? When you guys were talking in the beginning about the hashtag right reasons to use bachelor nation speak I kind of got in my head I was like am I doing this for the right reasons

no and you know what sometimes the podcast no just like just this in general just showbiz and I'm just like sometimes I'm like dang I'm a fraud aren't I also do it for validation we just say don't pretend don't pretend I'm like, dang, I'm a fraud, aren't I? You can also do it for validation. No, no, no. I'm also doing it for validation. We just say, don't pretend.

Don't pretend. And that's the thing with Taylor, Miss Swift. And I actually liked that song, the Calm Down song, You Need to Calm Down, until I heard the shade thing. And I was like, that seems a little strange. And then the playing at Stonewall, all of it all, really pushed me over the edge. I was like, see, now this is a

co-opting moment. This is where you are just kind of centering yourself on it, but also truly the Taylor, the Swifty hate that you especially got. To be honest, I didn't get too much. I got it from these specific people. This one person who came

for me and Joel. Yeah, racially. Attacked Joel for saying his father doesn't love him and because you're an adopted child, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then coming to me and being like well, first of all, I did a cover of Gay Rights featuring Ann Dowd, which is

my song. Which is Matt's song. Oh. When you are gay. Betty, oh my god I'm gonna light myself on fire wow that's when you need

gay rights gay rights thank you so much and so I do a cover oh my god incredible and this one Swifty comes after me

and I know I saw I didn't like it at all quote tweets me and goes wow y'all are bored huh and I go thanks for the quote I was like not really starting I was just like kind of like

I see you yeah not like insulting her not really starting it I was just like kind of like I see you not like insulting her or anything and then she's just like well yeah I guess you I guess I guess it's I guess verified but irrelevant Twitter life must must be boring and I'm like must pay the bill somehow and I was like

I told her I was like I have multiple revenue streams that have nothing to do with the way that you've chosen to interact with me on this website. Who are these people? I look around in public spaces and I'm like, is it you? Is it you? I know. And the crazy thing is they are out there in droves.

Yes. But it's like this blonde. Like, do you love a diva? So a songstress so much that you would like go out of your way on the Internet to like. Sorry, Kelly. But no to like, sorry, Kelly, but no, no, sorry.

I would never ruin someone's life in the name of Kelly because I know that she wouldn't want me to do that. Exactly. Kelly. I, I celebrate the gospel. Kelly, come on.

I don't tell. And also Kelly would get on her Twitter and clap, clap down. I hate her. And that's why I stay. It hasn't really done that yet. No, here's the thing.

And look, you can't just come out as, first of all, it's privileged to even say, I'm going to play Stonewall. It's just like, it's like, what? It's like,

what was the process there? Also, you've done truly nothing for the gay community at all. I mean, she's donated. I mean, you know what? I'm not going to say she's not done nothing, but it's just funny

how everyone's like, she's done nothing. She really drove a lot of donations to GLAAD. Like, okay, great. We love GLAAD, but it's just funny how everyone's like she's done she really drove a lot of donations to glad like okay great we love glad but it's of course it's a media organization that like counts like engagement with like gay media it's like i think there's a thing where you have like when you're a successful woman the only way that all of society is going to accept you is if you also play into this like underdog narrative of like and I hate myself and why am I

here and it's hard to get and keep an underdog narrative when you're insanely successful so I think she's trying to attach herself to a cause or an underdog narrative to be like see I'm still you can still

root for me it's still a cause to be rooted for it's I'm, I'm still, you can still root for me. It's still a cause to be rooted for. It's great. It's not zero sum. I think, I don't think it's like, I think, I think it's good that she is like,

kind of like modeling a new version of allyship in 2019, but it's just like, there are just these little, little holes that I keep, I keep, I keep poking into like the, the Taylor Swift, like the fandom of it all.

Just being like, wait, hold on. Look, every ally, it's always good to have allies. And if anyone wants to step forward and say they're an ally, that's amazing. I support them. But like you have to with her, understand. But it's always a business decision.

But with Betty Singh, which is like, yeah, the whipsaw in all this is that she's so successful, but then she still needs to like kind of cultivate something, water something. That's tough. That's tough. That's tough. It's like Gaga on the Star is Born tour. Like she's someone who I look to,

to be like, how, what does believing in yourself and giving no fucks look like? And then the Oscar tour, it felt all of a sudden like, whoa, I can't believe I'm here. G Williker's me.

I'm like, G fucking Williker. Yeah. You're Lady Gaga, bitch. You elbowed your way here. Yeah. You fought. As someone who lives in G, is mired in G Williker, me like gee you fucking will yeah you're a lady gaga bitch you're way here yeah you fought as

someone who lives in g is mired in g will occurs i need to get out of it and learn how to get out of it yes like it's the only way that all of society is going to accept a woman that is something beyonce does well because she's fully she's fully out there like this is a documentary about how i ate one apple in four months. Which has its problematic shit where it's lying. But it's like, Beyonce is literally like, she will never show up and say, she'll barely say thank you. She shows up and she says, mm-hmm.

Which I love. With the Gaga star is born of it all, what I choose to believe is that she is, she was, you know, her whole career is about performing fame. And for this stage in her career she was performing the like yes the humility

the star is born narrative who's just like and it couldn't have done it without that man that's like such a fun juicy like ridiculous thing and Bradley Mark like just so funny also the dichotomy

between the performances of Shallow by herself and the performances of Shallow with him like gingerly holding each other's fingertips as she glides up the stage at the Oscars

and turns to face him while he flatly sings that first verse and then like sweeps her gown and sits on the piano and timidly sings meanwhile at the Grammy

she's like she's like, she's like fully like screaming. And I'm like, Lady Gaga. Yes, she had to play the part that she, she was a small town girl that they plucked out of nowhere for the film. Honey! You were playing to stadiums for Gia.

Wow. And honestly, we all just did a collective I Don't Think So Honey. We did. Oh my God. We Don't Think So Honey. We Don't Think So Honey. It was so, so amazing to have you here. and honestly here we all just did a collective I don't think so honey we did oh my god we don't think so honey we don't think so honey it was so so amazing to have you here

I mean like you know now but and you've known before but we couldn't be bigger fans and now I feel the same oh my god

sorry I cried earlier no we truly cried I left my body I left my body I left my body in fact um

season three of season three of I left my body in fact season 3 of season 3 of GLOW I almost said as a joke season 3 of Glee again but like

it's no joke Glee has been cancelled for years GLOW is still on honey and it's coming back on August 9th Betty Gilpin

love you guys thank you so much oh my god wait we we do we'll sing a quick little song

we do finish every every episode with a song. We know that. Tell me something, girl. Oh, we can't do this. Bye. Forever. Dog.

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