Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Maren Got To Me" (w/ Maren Morris)

Episode Date: April 27, 2022

Matt & Bow are feeling like hard to GET starLETS today because, well, Maren Morris herself is the guest on their podcast Las Culturistas!!! From that fateful night at the Bowery Ballroom when our hosts saw Maren years ago, to this moment. Oooh!!!! This podcasting event explores how Maren found Matt through his Tayla Swiff "Lover" album, how the need to slow down during the pandemic affected Maren's writing, and Maren's discovery of Dolly Parton as an actress before she ever even realized she was a singer. Also, Steel Magnolias, 9 to 5, Maren's new album Humble Quest, the "short king" phenomenon, and an explanation of the lyric "like a Coca Cola on Christmas Day" from Maren's song "Sugar". All this, new Real Housewives of Beverly Hills thoughts, Watch What Happens Live experiences and meeting Kyle and Mauricio in the flesh! See Maren on the Humble Quest Tour all throughout 2022 and stream that damn album! This episode? That's myyyyyyyy churchhhhh!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcasts. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, yeah. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. And it's yet another testament to shooting your shot in the DMs today.

The arc of this is really beautiful. And the trajectory has yet to be finished. You know, like it's, we have a whole episode ahead of us with this person. And I mean, I've been working myself up over this for a while now, ever since we got the confirmation. I have to ask the guest if she heard the episode or the snippet of us drafting a message in the DMs to send to her because it was sort of like getting ready to ask someone to prom. You know what I mean? It was like, I just I want to do it right. You know, I'm not the kind of person who's like, hey, do you mind reading this email? I don't have to like have someone do a pass at it.

If it's coming from me, I want to say I'm not but I am the kind of person who will read it. If I'm nervous about an email or something I'm sending, I will sort of like casually read it out loud. So I'm not like asking like, yeah, hey, can you can I run this by you? But I will sort of like do it with the assumption that people will confirm or deny that it's couth. Babe, you got to kill the editor in your brain. You so do. You so do.

Because otherwise, how are you going to put clay on the table? How are you going to make art, you know? How are you going to even put clay on the table, first of all? First of all. I want to just close a loop from last week. My ear is fixed. Okay. I know everyone's concerned. My ear is fixed. I had what just close a loop from last week. My ear is fixed. Okay. Everyone, I know everyone's concerned.

My ear is fixed. I had what's called a mirroring God to me. I just explained it to our guest and then she left the chat and I thought, okay, I've lost the guest. I've grossed the guest out, but it was merely a technical issue. However, I won't explain it to you. The readers, you can just look up mirroring God to me and you can figure it out. Mirroring God to me.

Was she in Romy Michelle? Yeah. So mirroring God to meeringotomy played Romy. Romy. Yeah. And they're talking about bringing it back. That's right. And Meringotomy.

And Meringotomy. I am so glad that you're feeling better, especially because it's, you know, look, we had a mission beginning of this year to bring more musicians on the podcast because let's let's face it we love music here and we're popping the fuck off in terms of succeeding in that okay i would say so matt do you remember seeing this person in concert do i remember seeing this person in

concert i literally we went with the this is the thing about a marin morris show all different people are there you got your country fans and the gays were out. Do you remember when we saw Colton Haynes? And I was like, that's Colton Haynes. Colton Haynes was there. And he was there. Oh my God.

And I was like, sweet boy. Sweet boy. And I was looking around and I was like, Bowery Ballroom is out for Maren Morris and the gays are wearing their jackets. You know,

the gays put on their good jackets for the Maren Morris show. The gays put on their good jackets for the Maren Morris show. The gays put on their good jackets for the Maren Morris show. Ryan Hurd had long hair at the time. Remember the chemistry? I remember the chemistry. I go, there must be something going on between those two. I was like, let me tell you something.

That's two people that's going to get married. And our guest was wearing pre, like, before it was cool, pre, let's say, her name, Ariana Grande, wore an oversized hoodie and made it look fucking chic. It was like Heather Gray. It was like, it was really, really good.

I think it was black. It was black. Well, I'm famously colorblind. I don't think, I think it was Heather Gray. Is this like a Mandela effect thing? Like Berenstain Bears, Berenstain Bears, like it's two different realities, two different memories. It's literally the dress. It's's black and gold whatever the dress was remember the dress

oh my god that was oh my god um but anyway i was with you during the dress yeah and i remember i saw i saw the dress as one thing and you saw the dress as another thing and that's when we really knew the dress was gonna pop off it was gonna pop off and it did and it did we can't, we cannot talk about the dress. We certainly cannot talk about the dress while the guest is here because we could just keep going about the dress. And the thing about our guest is truly in the middle of sort of release of a lifetime because this new album, Humble Quest, is so great. And you're not going to believe this like this podcast is critically acclaimed okay pitch work is gagging all the girls are gagging i mean it's just so good and i've been a fan since obviously the album hero and i think i remember i remember she came to snl were you there when

she was at snl i thought i was not working there at the time but i remember when she was the musical guest i was like i gotta tune in and did 80 Mercedes, iconic. And we talk about 80s Mercedes on this show all the time about how it was a watershed moment. But just to sort of run through the credits, if you're living under a rock, I mean, just Grammy winner, five-time CMA winner, five-time ACM winner.

I mean, just an incredible, incredible, not just country music, crossover artist. There's R&B influences in her music. There's pop. Also a member of the High Women. I mean, this is just like truly a get for Las Culturistas. I don't think that there's anyone better, TBH. TBH, no one better.

We're so excited she's here. Please welcome... Maren Morris! Oh my gosh. I wanted to chime in so many times in your introduction please i cannot i did not know that you guys were at the bowery show it was amazing really because i distinctly remember that was my first like real time to headline a new york city show because that was the hero tour and we were in clubs yes so doing the bowery i remember for the first time really getting to see my crowd yeah i think it was one of the first shows of

the tour so i didn't know what my crowd looked like yet i'd only done you know radio and streaming so doing live performances is a different model and so getting to see like you guys were in that you were like the guinea pigs you were the guinea pigs of the tour, Maren. But I remember there was this, like, gay guy in the crowd. Maybe it was one of you. Some guy had perfectly choreographed an entire routine to my song, How It's Done. Yes. And, like, every word had a motion to go with it. Wow. Let me show you how it's done yes every word had a motion to go with it

wow let me show you how it's done oh my god just gagged and you you probably didn't even know you were making music that could have choreo attached i didn't no i i truly didn't at that point um it was so fun it was like and also i was like blown away. Cause the thing is like, when you listen to your album, there's obviously so much like character in your voice and you have such a, you're such an incredible storyteller. I didn't know you had all these runs, like the dexterity in your voice. Like we were looking at each other,

like bitches singing down. Like you really were like killing the vocals. i not that i didn't know that but like your live singing is insane oh thank you i uh that's such a huge compliment i it's just tripping me out before even coming onto this show because i i'm a fan of both of y'all's but matt like i followed you years ago because i remember it was i don't know if it's still up but you did this parody of the lover track list did you take it down i took it down but i might go back up just because you know it's like you can only parody someone that well when you love them you have a deep like absolutely deep respect for their craft but

Matt I think you might actually be a songwriter because the one that I showed Ryan we were on vacation and you made this whole track list up in your mind I think maybe before the album was actually out but it was the one where you're like woo bitch

do you see her stretching around town she's a gay diva. Cotton candy jeans. Diva. Yeah, that was actually the opening track of my lover parody album. Called Woo Bitch. As a result of this,

I am going to put it back up because people did get into my DMs and they were like, where did it go? You have to put it back up. This is how I expose people to you. It's your greatest hits. I mean, I want to have access to them at all points. But no, that was when I started following you

because I was telling Ryan, I was like, this guy made an entire fake track list and is singing hooks that could, I mean, I don't know if I can say it, but if I'm quoting you. Yeah, you can say fag pals. Fag pals. I think the hardest we both laughed

like all year was that oh my god but i would be oh my god i would be honored if someone went out of their way to do an entire parody of my album track list i mean it was brilliant as just a songwriter myself who was like in the public eye. I mean, oh my gosh, if someone did that good of, I mean, I wouldn't even call it a read, but I mean, it was just perfection. And your melodies were just, I mean, top notch. Oh, that's very kind. I'm partial to gay rights because I mean.

Lady, right? Wow, you remember it, Maren. Wow, Maren, do you have phonographic memory? Or do you kind of have this ear for just any little sound that you can replicate? Well, I've also listened to

his version of this track list many times. Many times. It's not phonographic, but is that the one featuring Ann Dowd? Is the one featuring Ann Dowd? okay wow yeah sorry to i'm fangirling on that one but here's the thing it's like is it sort of iconic that we get you on this podcast and you talk about my music yes but i refuse i refuse i refuse to continue all right sorry. Sorry. I'll stop. I'm done girming. But it was just, oh, my God.

What a great thing. That's taste. That is taste. Thank you. I have to say, like, I'm obviously a fan of all your albums. But this album, Humble Quest, like, Bowen and I have been listening to it. And I just think, like, lyrically especially, this is, like, your best. I mean, background music, when I heard it, I just think like lyrically especially this is like your best I mean background music when I heard it I was like this to me is the best song you've ever written like that that's

like how do you feel in terms of like as a songwriter looking at your own work because I also I also sense in your lyrics that you're you're definitely a self-critic and hard on yourself especially in like you know I can't love you anymore and humble quest like I can tell that you are someone that's self-critical how are you feeling about like what you've done here i think it's the only way i can like stomach doing such a self-indulgent job is especially through like country storytelling is just to poke holes in the balloon and just laugh because it's just, I mean, the last two years have been tough for everybody, but everything, especially in the touring industry, which is going to be, you know, fractured for a long time and is rebuilding. But I mean, it was just going on such a toxic path downward and we were all so addicted to it and just kind of getting used to it always looking like that and now i think the only way i could have written this album is out of just

having this sense of levity and knowing that you're not in control of anything. I can't believe you thought you were. You're not that cool. Take it down a notch. I think like it was just humbling all around to be like, I can't tour. I had, you know, my son at the very beginning of COVID. I had, you know, an unplanned, you know, emergency C-section. There's all these things that were out of my grip. And, you know, I was like, God, I'm going to kill myself if I keep taking it this seriously. It's just not good for me. I don't think it's breeding the best art, the best lyrics, the best honesty for me. And I'm kind of becoming a pill to be around. So I think just all of it made me be like,

you know what? I'm lucky to get to do this for a living and have people that buy tickets to my shows and listen to the records, but I cannot do this and treat myself the way I have been any longer if I want to have any longevity here. And so it just made me loosen my grip

and start to laugh at things and just not take it so seriously in a time where everything was so serious. And yeah, I think it allowed me to maybe access even more vulnerable parts of me to write on a page. That's really apparent, I think. I think I've heard you say with this album that because touring wasn't like a prospect,

you weren't sort of beholden to this deadline in terms of songwriting. And so was it this journey that you had with not having touring as this thing in your future being terrifying, scary, throwing everything into question about the way know, the way you work, that eventually became something kind of liberating and that you were like, well, I can actually write from a place of like not worrying about

when I get to perform this or how I do it. Or like, was that, was it fair to say that that's like the arc of that? Yeah, it was kind of the first time in a very long time I didn't have a deadline to get anything turned in. No one did. And I remember the first few months of people starting to write via zoom I mean my husband was doing it and it just looked so depressing to try to write a song through this screen and to not be able to connect with people on a vibrational level I mean just being in the room with someone trying to create sound is just so hard to do through a

two-dimensional screen and so yeah for the first six months of quarantine I was like what is the point like we if we can't play these songs out live like what does the world really need another song written today and um yeah I think just eventually that bitterness wore away. And I was like, actually, maybe I should give it a go. Because there's no pressure. Sure. No once. And it was almost like when I made my first record,

it was like you kind of, like the old saying is, you have your whole life to make your first record and you have five minutes to make your second one. Because there's just no expectation on you in that first record it's like you're just like shooting in the dark and yeah you have no nothing to live up to yet there's no bar set so it's really freeing and yeah i think that it it was this was a lot more fun to make than i would say my last record uh just even though i love girl and like the bones ended up becoming this crazy thing that none of us could have foreseen um i don't think mentally i was in like the most healthy space just touring constantly and yeah making that record but um you hear a lot of people say that

about like when they're like when they're having a really huge moment you do hear i remember kelly clarkson i'm a huge kelly clarkson stan and i'm gonna ask about second wind um but um like she talks a lot about how when she was at her apex like her i guess imperial phase pop stardom was when she was like felt like she was going to die every day. You know, it's really hard to manage that expectation, your own happiness, your schedule. And so it must be kind of cool to have literally nature and the universe say, you're slowing down. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And I think it just ended up breeding better art. And I'm not even just talking about myself. I mean, I'm biased because I think it just ended up breeding better art. And I'm not even just talking about myself. I mean, I'm biased because I wrote it, but my friends that put records out during this time, I think it was their best work. Because, I don't know, it's just, it kind of, the silver lining of COVID was that,

at least on a creative level, I mean, we were just allowed to breathe for a second and not tie our value or our worth to the applause and flowers that we get like that kind of immediate hit of attention that we all crave and desire and get addicted to we didn't have that so it really was like do you love this do you love this enough to keep doing it and some of us said no and some of us you know said yes and stuck in the ring and i think that a lot of my friends put out my favorite works of theirs during this time do you mind us asking who yeah i want to check out so rustin kelly is one of them

yeah his second record was so i mean both records are incredible but and also like i don't know her but i'm obsessed and it brought me and a lot of people out of our COVID doldrums was like that Dua Lipa future nostalgia right oh yeah I always especially now looking back you really realize how important that album was yeah and not that she made it during the pandemic but she was brave enough to like put it out during such an uncertain time and make like spin gold out of it like just such a crazy chaotic window and it ended up becoming one of her biggest records and you know most hits of her career and it was just such a piece of it's just such a sliver of sunlight and in all of our worlds that was one of my favorites of the last couple of years. I mean, just things that kept me inspired to get back in the writing room, honestly. Yeah. I kind of have this jealousy over you or anyone

keying into a way of working and writing without a deadline because I don't know if Matt, you agree with this, but if I don't have a deadline, it's kind of not going to get done. I don't know. It's harder. It's hard. It's harder. to get done i don't know it's harder it's hard it's harder and so i and so i think maybe part of it is like approaching it differently and going well this is actually the best case scenario in some way like where i get to just do whatever i want rather than be like overwhelmed daunted by this concept of well you're not like beholden to any timeline so you get to like be as indecisive. If it brings out the worst creative instincts in you in terms of being indecisive, then

that's what you have to overcome. But if you're already in the pocket creatively, and this is not to say that you don't have moments of figuring stuff out as you go, but I think that just speaks to you and your process that you get to just see that in a very clear way to go. I don't have a deadline. This means I can actually kind of write from a liberated place. Yeah. And listen, I kind of live in both worlds because I do need structure because I'm not

a very self-motivated person. If I just have all the time in the world to write an album or a song even like I I do need some structure like I would be incredibly and I was a failure at homeschooling like in my senior year of high school because I just didn't even finish it because it was all online I was like how could you I'll get I'll get to it next week and I never did so yeah I ended up having to go to the three-week high school with all the pregnant girls. That's cool. I felt like such a badass.

I finished high school in three weeks with all the knocked up girls. But yeah, I do need some structure. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. But I mean, I think that what COVID and just those two years of adapting taught all of us is that it was extremely imbalanced. Where it was like, you know, live to work, live to work, live to work. Yeah, yeah, totally. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is.

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which is like a psycho pop song that was like everywhere it's we have the humble quest album now and it you still make us feel like we're listening to you in a bar you know what i mean like this could be an album that like really reads with like 30 people in a bar like and everyone you know like applause after each song like i'll sip it between our drinks you know i mean it feels like it's an album for that atmosphere too not to say it couldn't be played in arenas which humble quest tour 2020 is is happening which is so exciting but like it feels intimate and also what i love is it's it's still and what i love about your writing is the humor like tall guys like truly dragging the short king phenomenon and i know you say you love all types

but it's just so funny and like i don't know you're either something that i think makes you quintessentially country too like is the humor and i don't know is that important i had not until i put the record out i learned what a short king was because i put tall guys out it got released because the record was out at midnight and then some tweet i actually put it on instagram because it made me laugh so hard but it was some guy that was talking about tall guys and it just said maren morris really said fuck short kings and i was like is that a is that its own phenomenon? I guess so. Short kings are having a real moment right now. But it's short kings spring, and so it's time bound.

It implies it's going to end soon. Like no shave November. Exactly. It's seasonal short kings. It's seasonal short kings. Tall guys are evergreen, you know? Yeah. Unfortunately.

Because they're always going to be able to reach the top shelf. That's a good line, maybe, for the New York show is like, short King Spring, but tall guys are evergreen. Yeah. There you go. You'll get a pause on that one.

Are you Bowen, co-writer? Co-writer? I agree with Matt. There's that irreverence there. And like, and it's interesting that you were saying earlier that like you are kind of, not that you set out to do this,

but that you are kind of poking holes in the balloon of it all of country music. Because I think Circles Around This Town is one of my favorite songs about the process, your writing, anyone's writing process. I don't think that gets sung, not enough people sing about their writing process. And I know that sounds meta,

but there's this other meta layer with background music where you're like, this is what I aspire my music to be, is to like be like, either it's played in the background or it works in the foreground of something. Like that takes a lot of confidence, I think as a songwriter to go. I'm actually very cool with my songs being played like as an undertone or ambiently. Yeah. And that song will background music specifically because my

husband and I are both songwriters and that's how we met, you know, nine years ago in Nashville. We were paired together on a co-write, but, you know, even though the song is very, you know, honest and it's a love song, it's talking about, you know honest and it's a love song it's talking about you know us being has-beens someday like right whether that is going to be true or not like we love to joke with each other especially in the last two years we're like oh my god like these few number ones we've had under our belt what if that's it and what if it's just us for the rest of this life and I just decided to spin it into a love song with background music because I was like I don't care I don't care if you get another number one song or you get this nomination or I get to go do this or what have you it's like i just don't think it adds any more specialness or value to our

relationship as you know friends and we don't have a son now it's like it just doesn't it's not as valuable to put our worth and things like that but we do love to joke like oh yeah when i'm like playing in the casinos and i'm 90 years old and you have to wheel me off stage because I'm never going to retire. Someday, that might actually be a very real concept. And then even further than that, when we're both dead, will these songs still be played? Maybe that's our legacy.

It's not our memories or even our kids' kids. It's the work that we put in. Was it special? Was it timeless? Will it be played in a hundred years? If you just don't know. It's so specific and special. And just the line, not everybody gets to leave a souvenir.

Like it's like acknowledging each other and like what you guys get to do together. And it's really, it's specific to you guys, but it's like romantic and evocative for everyone and when i heard that song i remember it came out before the album and i just played it again and again because i was like i mean i've always been like such an admirer of your writing but this was just like it was it was it's so great it really it really It really moves me. Thank you.

Yeah, I love it. Furthest Thing, just another sweet, tender song. Whatever, this is my literal read on it, but it's about distance and yet still feeling this closeness, this proximity in spite of that. I don't know. I can't think of a lot of other songs that like touch on these things in the same like poetic sense that you kind of get to evoke

out of them like it's really i just it's such a great album and like we're i think i i think we're just like gonna keep fawning over you for a little bit longer but like it's just so good well hit rate hit rate with exposing marin morris to people is like a hundred always joel kim booster is a very close friend of ours he's a comedian and we were playing um we were driving back from palm springs and i played him hero and he by the end was a stan like and our friend our friend sudi just reached out to us and was to text me was like i love marin morris i was like where have you been and then i I realized like, you know, it's just, I don't know. I feel like as more people hear it and already so many have, obviously, that thing that you said is going to be true with that music last because it really is.

Well, thank you. I'm always, and it's not false humility, I think because country music in so many ways, and you know, I've been able to tour, you know tour all over the States, all over the world, South America, Europe, what have you. But in a lot of ways, country music is still very niche to people. So it doesn't shock me that you're saying that someone was probably not going to listen to this on their own accord. You had to be the one to tell them, no, actually go check it out.

And then they do. you had to be the one to tell them, no, actually go check it out. And then they do. And it's like, having done songs like The Middle and been in The High Women and just having my own solo success, I feel like just my music has always been genre-less, even though I think it sits in country music comfortably.

I think that I'm happy to be the gateway drug for anyone that would turn their nose up at country music to be like wait a sec I actually might might like this it's such a huge compliment because it it transcends genre lines in such a powerful way, which it should. Yeah. And another thing about you, which I think is really, really cool and really important is you are sort of like a huge voice for gender and racial equity in country music and at large. Like, I just think that like you stepping out, especially like sort of as, you know, I think probably one of the women in country music that gets played on the radio the most. And I know I've heard a lot of people speaking out about like, you need to play women on country music, like, et cetera. And you are played. And for you to be like, people need

to be listening to Mickey Guyton, like people need to be listening to all these people. And then to see her embrace, like I was bummed to see her lose the Grammy a couple of weeks ago, but like, you know, it's just really cool to see. And think that's it's it's important and I wonder that must have been like if maybe it wasn't difficult for you to come out and say that well I don't I don't know if everyone this is a very hard industry and I feel like the music business is a lot of times more business than music and not everyone gets to sign up for this and say i'm gonna also be this activist but i don't think it's activism i think it's even if you are played and you're one of the few that got chosen to be played on the radio like sticking

your neck out and not counting your dollars is how i'd like to go out. Like I just, I don't know. I don't, it's so, it's so finite, isn't it? Like you don't know how much time you get here. You don't know. We call it like a 10 year town. Maybe I get like a 10 year run of doing this. Who knows? But I'm going to pretend like this could all be burnt to the ground in a year.

And maybe it'll, I'll be the one with the matches but i feel like it's it's just so stupid to like keep your mouth shut about things that just visibly make you uncomfortable yep like physically make you ill just like say something so it's my job as the person with the platform to be like i have to make this a safer environment for everybody like yeah not just women like people of color lgbtq like all all perspectives to feel like they can be housed here and be safe for two hours yeah that's like that's just like push pull of like being specific like i'm sure you write songs in a way that is meant to relate to other people's experiences but then it's also it should be personal it has to be personal

um and this is just something that a lot of artists do but i think especially in country where you kind of it seems for whatever reason more conscious that you go let me really like put a mold on like how i want my music to be received. Let me really be specific. And yet also on some level universal with so many things. I feel like, you know, I always,

always not to generalize, but I always end up liking country musicians in the way that they work because, because, because there is this like super structure for better for worse in terms of like how country music is run in terms of like the songwriting and in terms of like who gets, you know, paired together or whatever, you know, I feel like there's something nice about that. And yet there's also something that you kind of have to destabilize just a little bit in order to make it feel like fresh and new or different.

Yeah. Does that make sense yeah no totally and i was just thinking like in my genre that i am at home in i look at you know it's kind of already beating the odds to to get any radio play or just anything is always kind of attached to me also being a female like oh she broke this record but she's only female to have done it like she's not quite in the the echelon with the boys right right but um but then i look at like the things that i get to do because i have made my way of thinking known it's like like doing the high women like being one of the few like country bumpkins that gets to do SNL

as a musical guest that was such a moment working with John Mayer and Elton John and Taylor and just all of the things I've gotten to do Zedd, it's just been crazy, the things that I get asked to be a part of

not just because like i'm country as a genre but because like maybe they heard a song of mine or my album but they also like saw me give an interview in playboy yeah yeah there's just these things that like are kind of outside of the scope that you know i've taken risks on and even like doing not that this is a risk no no truly but even getting asked to do this and like we're not inviting everyone on this yeah right and why would you want to it's like such an amazing like y'all's conversations on here are so elevated and so funny and i had so many people reach out to me when you guys like I saw your dm Matt but I it was but I think it was before the episode aired maybe but I had so many people like the night um my

album came out or maybe it was the next night saying Las Culturistas they they talk about constructing their dm to you and uh I was like well I immediately responded but the thing is like i don't know i i think especially at the time when you when you did dme after the taylor thing i was like i literally was shook because you you really were in my like top rotation like ever since i found you like you really are one of my favorites and then i told everybody and then what the second i've won this interior album like all my friends wanted to go to your show and then I told everybody and then the second I've listened to your album like all my friends wanted to go to your show and then we did

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Okay. Don't ask it. Marin. What is the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is a formative piece of pop culture. It could be a movie, a TV show, an album,

or it could be like the town you grew up in. It could be like the school you went to. It can be, it's a pretty broad. Yeah. It's user choice. With broad answers. It can be, it's a pretty broad question with broad answers. It's, yeah,

it's really user's choice. Okay. There's a few, but I feel like the movie Steel Magnolias was the movie

because my mom's a hairdresser and still is. Mine too. Oh my God. So I grew, I basically like, my sister and I,

we grew up in her salon and we would get to like style the mannequin heads. And, you know, that was my first real job was like being a receptionist for her salon. But, um, watching the movie Steel Magnolias as a kid, I only knew Dolly Parton as Truvy. I didn't know she was Dolly Parton, the country music star oh wow i just thought she was the an actress and then through a movie about southern hair uh-huh and diabetes um i found dolly parton yeah and her golden light of songwriting and feminism and just all the things that she has done

over the last 30, 40 years, writing the most beautiful songs in history, but also such a diversified human. Theme parks. She has a theme park. Who else can say that? No one. No one.

So I think that was what made me think, okay, wow, country music is fucking cool yeah if they have her at the at the helm and then also not that i've like done any movies or anything like that but i was like she got so much shit in the 70s for going pop crossing over yes yeah and there's this amazing very passive-aggressive interview with barbara walters that's iconic with dolly barbara walters did passive-aggressive like no one else sexually rule of culture number 103 barbara walters did passive-aggressive like no one else i know exactly the interview you're talking about dolly is clearly like a little uncomfortable a

little annoyed throughout the whole thing kind of like kind of like... But so poised. So poised, sweetly laughing off like all these condescending fucking questions. And then what was the answer that you were going to talk about? Well, I mean, I can't remember specifically

what Barbara asks her, but it was just like, what do you think? She's talking about like bringing country to like a wider audience, basically, right? Yeah, she's like,

what do you think about like the people, the fans of your own genre that, you know, made know made you like are you biting the hand that feeds you by going pop and she was like i'm always going to be country music dolly is country but i want to bring dolly to the world yeah that's and i was just floored and i still go back and watch that every few months because i feel like in my own way and not in any way, shape or form comparing myself to Dolly, but having, you know, worked with her and also just come up in this genre and have done many different kinds of projects over the years.

I just always think about, I'm just trying to bring me to the world. Like I don't, I'm not beholden to, I'm not going to be shackled to anything against my will i'm going to stay have a foot here because i love it and i respect it and it made me the songwriter i am today but i'm i'm not going to be beholden to it like it's only going to cap my creativity my my honesty my worth and, yeah, I think that's what, like that movie, weirdly, Steel Magnolias made me just, I mean, it's iconic for hundreds of reasons.

Hundreds of reasons. Shirley MacLaine, Olympia Dukakis alone. Yeah. But yeah, it kind of opened me up to country music in a way that I didn't find it just through music. I found it through this film from the 80s. Yeah. It's really, really iconic.

A Drink or Do Shelby, of course, a line for the history of time. It's just so funny you say this. I watched 9 to 5 on the plane last night. This was meant to be. I had never seen it before, but I do this other podcast for HBO Max, and we're talking about 9 to 5, and I had never seen it, and I watched it,

and she really is, like, she's great on screen. Oh, yeah. And my favorite thing, and it's so her, is the way that she wrote the song 9 to 5 for that film. And I can't believe it didn't win the Oscar. Like, that song, 9 to 5, did not win. But it was nominated. But the reason, I don't know if it was like the typewriter or it was like her acrylic nails she was like doing this one day in her trailer where she was like yes and I still went to the kitchen and like she did it

with her freaking fake nails yes wrote a song that's so so legendary is there is there like a legend that like um i think when they were when they were bringing it to broadway or something she like went to new york flew to new york thought that she had to like write the entire show and present the entire show like all the songs in the show to the producers the next day so she stayed up and wrote basically the entire show for the musical version of nine to five and then showed up the next day so she stayed up and wrote basically the entire show for the musical version of nine to five and then showed up the next day and like the producers were like the more that she brought like a completed score a full score all the songs all the written all the lyrics basically written out and like the music arranged and they're like you didn't have to do all that like from the jump

you know like that's just dolly even the film nine to five she says like in one of her interviews that's older she talks about showing up day one on set with like jane fonda lily tomlin she had never been in a film before so dolly thought it was customary to just learn the entire script not just her lines she literally knew every person in the film's lines including her own and they were like oh no no you you just need to know yours for just in case if someone needs help on set that is that seems very harassing too yeah yeah it does yeah just overachiever like there's something like i have to go back to this all the time like it's about the work and not to be like,

not, not even in like a capitalist sense, but in the sense of like, you should, you should like, there should be a relationship with the work that you feel like you're enjoying it, that there's like a craftsmanship in it, you know,

that like you're getting in there and like getting your hands dirty. I'm sure you relate to this on some level with songwriting. I mean, Matt and I relate to this in terms of like writing like anything comedic or anything um in that vein but it's like Dolly like always reminds me of that always it's always Dolly that I'm like in a field that I have nothing to do with in music but I like can look to and go wow that is like aspirational in so many ways yeah agreed here what was what was the experience of meeting her

like i'm sure she adores you like and what what's your what's the relationship there and what was it like meeting her i mean i will say she was extremely punctual like she was always on time so the high women the high women and i were playing uhport Folk Festival in 2019. And the High Women are myself, Brandi Carlile, Natalie Hemby, and Amanda Shires. And I had never played Newport Folk Festival, but it's like this legendary folk festival where Bob Dylan went electric. And Chris Christopherson and Johnny Cash met backstage. And Joni Mitchell played and James Taylor. It's just like a really iconic festival. And Dolly, in all of her decades of just being an icon, had never played it.

And so, as a surprise, the High Women were going to be closing out the festival. And it's sunset on Sunday, last day of the festival. You're overlooking the harbor. And we get to introduce Dolly. Dolly Parton. And the place just went ape shit i mean she came out in this yellow of course it's like archival um nudie suit that has like wagon wheels all over it i think from her days of working with like porter wagner and she's so tiny but we had done rehearsals with her in Nashville the week prior so just like it still gives me chills but we were working and rehearsing with her at RCA Studios

in Studio A that room and it's the big room and that's where she recorded I Will Always Love You and Jolene and I don't think if I recall what she said she said she had not been back in that room since she recorded those songs so like rehearsing with her in that room was just I mean it could all end tomorrow and I'll

be able to say that I was in the room with her that day but she's just so lovely she I mean she definitely like likes a swear word i love that though i love i love when i find out that someone is a secret potty mouth yeah i love it yeah and i mean she she's just such a like i don't know but it's one of those people whether they truly remember you or not, they made you feel like they did.

And so I don't even care to know if she did or not. I was like, she makes you feel so special. And she lives up to such an impossibly high reputation and expectation. And she exceeds it. So I just, there aren't enough glowing things I could say about her, but she's Dolly.

Not to get too like existential, but there is something so crazy about like you being in that room with her and her having some like hugely impactful effect on your life that you would end up in that room. Does that make sense? Like looking back.

Looking back, like, well, like she's kind of the, you know, she's part of the reason why you are there with her. That she's, she's part of the reason why you do what you do. Is that fair to say that like part of your artistry as a country musician has, is, is very tied to like the way you admired her growing up? Oh yeah. is very tied to like the way you admired her growing up oh yeah I mean just I can't step for step like model my career after somebody's but if I had to it would be her and you know to this day I mean in such I mean it's still very male dominated you know Nashville country music but

in a time where it was especially taboo to even talk about it she was charming and disarming her way through these like corporate suits and making everyone love her like i'm sorry i i think i have a pretty good sense of humor i cannot be as funny or quick as her um like she's an icon it's not my superpower but yeah it's just crazy to to kind of have all these you know ends tied up for me and like getting that chance with her and just i don't know like for a few hours getting to soak her in was just something that like i don't think you know six-year-old me watching steel magnolias would have ever fathomed but it was one for the books i will say i am excited for your theme park though i'm excited for your theme park like the bones haunted house like uh wait what was your surgery

called it was called a miringotomy miringototomy. What if it's like Meringotomy? Yeah. That's actually the title of that. That would be the t-shirt. That's actually Meringotomy is the title of that. Meringotomy is the title of that. But like you could be selling like a Coca-Cola on a Christmas day. Wait, can I ask about that? Is that a thing? Is Coca-Cola on a Christmas day a thing?

Because I had never heard. It felt so vivid. Yeah. Bowen was like. Well, no, I remember like I was it was Christmas it was Christmas day 2016 and I think I went to Maren's Instagram

and she posted a picture like under a Christmas tree holding like a green can of coke which was like the real sugar which was like Coca-Cola on a Christmas day and I was like well now I want a fucking Coca-Cola I was like truly influenced I want a fucking Coca-Cola on a Christmas Day

I was like truly influenced I have written so many things and songs that I have to like live with live with the Coca-Cola on a Christmas Day that literally was just like me and my co-writers trying to think of

a bunch of alliteration but I mean it ain't bad thing no i mean it's like oh you give your on halloween you give yourself a swirly like it wasn't like quite that totally intense but the other one was like 80s mercedes everyone asked me like did you finally go buy one and i was like no um i didn't. But I mean, someday I will. If I end up being like rich enough to be like the Jay Leno of car collectors or Jerry Seinfeld, I'll get one like a nice one that I'll soup up. But totally.

80s Mercedes is your. So Dolly Parton's Dollywood has Thunderhead as the iconic wooden roller coaster. Yours is 80s Mercedes. It's very clear. You're branding the theme park already. I hope you know. Oh my god. You're helping me. And Arlington needs a theme park because I don't know how

Six Flags is doing. Uh oh. I don't know how Six Flags over Texas is doing. We need Marian Morris to save the theme park industry in Texas. Wait, have you been there? No, but I've been to Six Flags all over. I was like a rolleraster kid growing up. Like, I loved theme parks. Like, it's, like, very much my thing. You're laughing at me. Drag me.

But, like, I just heard, you know, Six Flags is not exactly thriving, so I'm just saying. Sure. We need you. Meringotomy. Meringotomy. I just have to quickly tell you in person, quote-unquote, that the interval between

there's something about that interval is demonically amazing. There's something so powerful in the way that your voice goes from that note to the other note. It immediately lights up my fucking

ass. Yeah, it explodes you into the chorus. It explodes you into the chorus. I don't know. It's just I remember and this not to bring the mood down, but I remember election day 2016. I was like, okay, here we

go. Today's the day and I was blasting Hero and specifically 80s Mercedes. I was like, all right, let's get day and I was blasting Hero and specifically 80s Mercedes I was like alright let's like get pumped blasting 80s Mercedes and then of course the night turned out the way it did but I was just like I remember one of the memories I have of that night is blasting 80s Mercedes on my way to like watch the returns come in and then

it's an emotional I have an emotional tie to that song in a way that is very specific to me and I will always cherish it. And then Hillary lost and on the way back to your house you were blasting like I was blasting once yeah yeah yeah okay wait quickly before I ask you about housewives and then we do I don't think so honey oh my god yes I have so many things on okay all right second wind you write and this is like when you you were songwriting pretty much down, and then Kelly Clarkson wants it.

How the fuck do you feel at that point? Oh, oh my God. I was just clawing at the bit to get anybody to record my songs. So when they said that Kelly had even heard it, like it had reached her eardrums, I was like, that was so rare for a Nashville songwriter to even have a pop star hearing a nobody's songs yeah and uh i mean even even and i love her even though it ended up as a

bonus track i will forever get to say that she recorded my song and then like i've met her since and she has said like she is she loves you i love her and i want to go on her show and she has said like, she is such a, she loves you. I love her. And I want to go on her show and I want us to like sing second wind together. Oh, you really, that would be really good. Yeah. She's,

she's amazing. And she's another like Texas hometown queen of mine. But yeah, I mean, no, I was just floored. And the thing about Kelly Clarkson is, you know,

she's not going to fuck it up. No, she's going to elevate it. There's um I will say she did that piece by piece of a remix album and I think the second one it's a cheat codes remix. Have you heard it

Mirren? I probably have at one point but not in a few years. Give it another spin. Your bank account has heard it. The bank account has heard it for sure. But it's a solid I think it's the best's heard it, for sure. But it's a solid, I think it's the best remix on that sort of release. But it's like, that's when I knew I was, that's why the middle didn't surprise me at all

because I was like, oh, this works. Like the songwriting here, the melodies here work perfectly with like an electro pop song. I love it. I was just like, I'm going to go listen to it after this. I need a refresh. Yes.

It's excellent. It's excellent. Anyway. Wait, you were saying Real Housewives because I was just listening to your Garcelle episode who I love. She was so great. Love Garcelle. So I was asked to guest host Jimmy Kimmel last summer.

This is iconic. You had Sutton on. I was like, yes! Sutton's dress! Are you a slutton? I also love. Yeah. She's a slutton like us. She's a slut like us

but Garcelle was unavailable that day I didn't realize with those late night shows they book people up to sometimes the day and like Kyle was unavailable Garcelle was unavailable

they were all out of town Sutton better be available. Because you didn't want to have Erica come in there. No. I have so many housewife stories. And I've been on Watch What Happens Live. Which also you did an amazing job, Matt. Thank you so much.

We haven't talked about this. Matt was so fucking good. That's like pinnacle right there. It was the peak. And I was on with Karen Huger. Which was like iconic for me and she's so nice and speaking of tall guys i met andy cohen and he goes you're so tall he didn't realize i was gonna be tall i was he i was like did you think i was gonna be a twink and he just gave me a hug i mean i don't know yeah i but no i i and you always it's so lucky when you get on with someone that you actually

want to talk to. Yeah. Who did you, who were you on with? So I've done it a handful of times. The second time was Zoom and that was with Dorit and she was lovely. Dorit. The first time was with, uh, was in person and this was when my girl album came out, but that was with Teddy.

And I need to get back on there. But I met Kyle and her whole family. They came to my show in Aspen last fall at this jazz festival. Wow, incredible. I love Kyle. And she's like so, she's as short as me. She's like 5'1", I feel like. So beautiful.

And her whole family, like meeting Mauricio after 10 years of watching this man on this show. I was just living and my whole band they were like my guitar player was talking to Mauricio and he was like talking about real estate and my guitar player has no idea who Mauricio is oh my god he's like oh my god that guy's so nice I was just asking him like does he ever sell houses in Nashville and I was like I was like he's, he's like a, a multi-millionaire. Like,

he doesn't do real estate. Like, he owns a huge real estate, like, multi-region, like, multi-continental firm. Like,

he literally thought he just sold houses. So, he's, I was like, he sells, like, mansions and hotels.

But, um, anywho, I'm playing stagecoach next week in Palm Springs. And I'm going to hang out at Kyle's house the night before. Are you kidding? Maybe we need a recap episode of Las Culturistas where I tell you how that went. We actually, I literally, you might need to come back and tell.

You're playing stagecoach? Wait, and what date is that in Palm Springs? So not this Friday, but next Friday. My friend Abe Schwartz is like a huge country fan, huge fan of yours, and he would die. I might have to, we might have to go out there. Tell him to go. It's where Coachella is. It's the same grounds, but it's the week after Coachella.

So we get all the dust. So it's like desolate, yeah. Yeah. Oh my God, obsessed. So wait, what do you, what'd you think of the trailer for beverly hills i mean it looks insane yeah i just and i get so invested and i don't know how much of it is real but just after talking to kyle at the aspen thing it was like the week they were shooting the reunion like she hadn't shot it yet and i was so floored that she was willing to talk to me about any of this stuff for like 40 minutes. And I was like, what, Erica?

Like, what is she going to do? And I was so, I was like three glasses of rosé in talking to Kyle after my show. And I was like, honestly, maybe Erica should do like a charity show in LA where she just brings all of her clothing and just auctions it off and uses that money to give to the victims. She just doesn't want to do shit like that. Kyle was like, that has never occurred to anybody.

How could it not? Least of all her. Because the ethos she's like putting out there is that it's like, I don't know if it's editing in the trailer, but it's like, I don't give a fuck about anyone but me like I think that like sums it up I think

she's being herself totally but like like that's that that there's a darkness there if we can all agree like oh yeah really and she's like Matt and I have said like she's just committed to I'm sorry like she's committed to monster you know like that is like a super

villain the Marvel the like origin story that we're getting for Erica, Marvel could never. Truly. Whatever's happening with Scarlet Witch in Marvel with Elizabeth Olsen, it's not even touching what is going on with Erica Jane. We are going to be running in the streets from Erica Jane shooting lasers out of her eyes in LA.

I can feel it. It's like if she is she is getting to the point where she because even the gays i'm levitating yeah even the gays have like thrown her army of gays have like thrown down their weapons like no one's on board with this anymore except like her and i guess mikey is mikey even on payroll still who knows i don't know we haven't seen mikey in a minute Is it going to be like the Cersei thing where it's just like she ends up completely like just everyone's

like, oh, no, not with that crazy. No. And then if it is Cersei, then she blows up everybody in one place at like the trial or whatever. Yeah, Sutton realizes the doors are all locked. What do you mean?

What do you mean? She's not coming. She's not showing up. She has no intentions of coming. She knows what's going on. What other franchises do you watch? Are you like a Bravo super fan or are you Beverly Hills?

Is that really your thing? I mean, I've watched New York. I feel like i only have the bandwidth and emotional bandwidth to deal with real housewives of beverly hills which is totally fine from season one to now it has consistently been great television like there's just not a dud i mean even the ones that weren't that good were still really good. Even the Carlton season, it was like, I'll watch

it still. Carlton. It was so funny on the reunion when they brought up Carlton and Garcelle was like, who is Carlton? And he just goes, well, yeah. My favorite line of Carlton's is when Kyle gives her that necklace and she's like, I gave you a necklace, Carlton.

How can I not like you? And she's like, it's in water. It's in water. Like she's cleansing the necklace. Oh my God. Honestly, in many ways, Beverly Hills was a song of ice and fire between Kyle and Lisa Vanderpump

and I guess sort of fire won over ice there. But now really Erica is representing ice. What is your read on Rinna? Like, what's your temperature on Rinna? I mean, I feel like it's got to be just her amplifying a personality. I don't know if you were. Yeah. a personality. I don't know if you were on your couch watching Netflix and drinking with her on a Friday night, she would be giving you

that, oh, you're so angry. I don't think that's her. I think she'd probably be kind of like a down-home chick. I could just be completely misreading it because I've done it before with people. But I don't know.

What's y'all's read on her? I haven't met her. Right. I think Rinna has her gears. And she's got the housewife's gear. She's got the e-red carpet gear. She's got her QVC gear. QVC gear.

She knows how to be her own variation. Yeah. I mean, to put food on Ryan's table, I don't know if I would do... All that. I don't know if I would do a diaper endorsement. I think I would just be like, it's not going to work out. We're going to get divorced.

I won't wear the diaper. Full stop. Yeah, full stop. No, but she really has no shame. I think, well, first of all, I do identify- Garcelle's done a diaper

endorsement recently too. Sorry, just putting that out there. Oh, really? Oh, see, that's almost like shady. A little bit. That's almost like stepping on the turf. I'm fascinated.

I will say- The diaper cartel. Diaper cartel. I do identify in many areas of my life As a Rinna Because I can't help myself sometimes Wouldn't Rinna be iconic to be on Watch What Happens Live? Because you know she's going to start shit

Right in front of you Oh yeah and she's also Kind of even more Outrageous on Watch What Happens Live Sometimes than the actual show With her sunglasses And she's like flipping the camera off.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. She was like, she was starting chaos all over the place. Yeah, she was like, I'm going down in flames

on my own terms. Yep. Garcelle also always starts shit on Watch What Happens Live. There's always something that pisses someone off about Garcelle.

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Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. All right, well, we have to move to I Don't Think So, Honey. This is our one one minute segment where we you're gonna do great where we rant about something in culture and mine actually is sort of on topic oh really okay um all right so this is matt rogers's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey that it seems like kathy hilton is going to be the villain of this season i am not on board and this is so classic because you come on you're a fan favorite and then they try to get you the second season it happened with denise i don't want it to happen

with kathy now are the rumors that kathy apparently called sutton strack's assistant a fag when he couldn't put a bag on an airplane yes those are the rumors is that bad i do think so honey but is it not also a little funny for me as a gay person to think of kathy hilton sitting there in a corner watching a little gay trying to get a bag on a plane and then saying fag i i don't think so honey i think that's kind of funny i really do want to see it um this is the problem when you tell people like kathy hilton that they can say fag they might i don't think so honey that we won't be able to enjoy kathy anymore the hunky-dory of it all 15 seconds the portable fan of it all i I kind of want Kathy to just

be what Kathy is, and I don't think so, honey. This is going to be a tough reunion for her, which Garcelle said on Watch What Happens Live. I don't think so, honey, that we can't just enjoy Kathy. Please, I don't think so, honey. Us chasing Kathy away, let Kathy be Kathy. Hope Kyle and her are okay. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Oh my god.

And agreed. All counts. Yeah. There's something about a woman That gay people love Staying fag on a plane That just kind of is like It's okay, Azealia Banks did it You did it today It wasn't on a plane, but Maren did it

And she is allowed I asked permission You did And you were referencing a published work Maren did it and she is allowed. I asked permission. You asked permission. You did. And you were referencing a published work. A quote. I was quoting quotations of published works. And Kathy Hilton doing it.

But I don't think that's the villain narrative for her completely. Her being locked out of that store, it stressed me out. That is going to make me pee my pants laughing. I can't believe it. Just the richest woman in the world pulling a door at Erika Jay pants laughing. I can't believe it. Just the richest woman in the world, like, pulling a door in Erika Jay and being like, don't get it. Don't open that. Really good.

I want her to stay pure, but I don't know if she will. Apparently it's bad. I don't know. I mean, she's untouchable. Like, I'm sorry. She'll be like, oh, what? She's like, oh, what? You don't want me on real housewives anymore.

Peace the fuck out. Yeah. I got to go back to my fucking hotel that I own. Yeah. All right. Bone Yang. Do you have a topic? Sweet deer.

I think so. I could, I could do another. I could do a Beverly Hills one or I could do something else. What do you think? I think you should do whatever your heart desires. I'm going to do a Beverly Hills one. I'm obsessed.

It's going to be a little bit of a downer. All right. Oh, yeah, all right. Bowen Yang bringing it down. And then mine will be kind of like in the middle of the two. So that's perfect. Okay, perfect. This is Bowen Yang's.

I don't think so, honey. This time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Crystal Kung Minkoff coming off as, like, a full sob story in the trailer for this season, I need her to go back to the way she was beginning of season, what was it? 12? 11? The last season

where she was, like, fully in Sutton's shit, like, making her have a mental breakdown every episode. Like, I need that Crystal to come back. Like, the eating disorder thing is really, really, really vulnerable and it's really amazing that she, like, wants to open up about that, but I need that crystal to come back. I like the eating disorder thing is really, really, really vulnerable. And it's really amazing that she like wants to open up about that. But I need crystal to be funny,

mean, and I'm sorry to say this word, but bitchy. That's what, that is so powerful for her as this like wealthy Asian woman to project on the TV, like in a way that's different from like dragon Laney. It's different from tiger mom.

It's different from crazy rich Asians. It's a new type of Asian woman that we have not seen in the TV, like, in a way that's different from, like, Dragon Lady. It's different from Tiger Mom. It's different from Crazy Rich Asians. It's a new type of Asian woman that we have not seen in the media. Like, bitchy Asian lady who can, like, tear down a white woman at a fucking backyard

dinner party situation. I need her to wear allegedly ugly leather pants and make a Southern woman lose her mind. And that's why I'm in it. What we need is iconic,

rich, Disney wife. Yes. That's all I need. What we need is iconic, rich, Disney wife. Yes, that's all I need. That's all I want from Crystal. I mean, she can be, of course, she is this multidimensional woman who, like, has her struggles, and it will be very important for her to talk about this. It seems like it's really gonna be sad, though. Like, she's really

struggling with that, you know? Like, it's tough. It's happening on Jersey right now with Jackie Goldschneider, and what I'm really appreciating it about it is is such a vulnerable thing to talk about and crystal i think i i almost think crystal couldn't come back unless she talked about it and i think the good thing about when they do bring this onto the show is that they're making a public and concerted effort to get better yes and that that. Agree, agree. And that's, and I, so I'm in full support of it because I think even if it's not like,

you know, iconic like soap woman, like it is like something that's her real life. And all I want, all I want is for her to, you know, feel good about herself

because she's so beautiful. I love Crystal. Completely agree. She's been so vulnerable about it and open about it on like podcasts and interviews. And I think this, I hope this is another piece of that. I just hope we get some air time

with her being like, you know, the Crystal that like I fell in love with, but I don't want to like dictate or predicate the version of herself. She should be on TV. I just hope that we don't lose some of that. Yeah. What are your Crystal thoughts, Maren?

I really liked her. And I feel like in that season where she's introduced and she's talking to Sutton and you kind of like think of Sutton as the villain when she's like, oh, are you that girl? Like the I don't see color girl. And she like clocks her and she gets so defensive. No, no, I'm not talking about this.

I'm not talking about this. I was like, yeah, crystals Heller because like so many white women, they needed to hear that that year of all years, especially. So I was just like, hell yes.

And heiress to lion King. Like, I don't know what can come on. True. So I'm hoping that with editing, they're just trying to make the trailer look really mopey, but I think that it's actually going to be a lot lighter when it actually comes out.

So that's just my thoughts. There was also that scene where... With Erica? With just Rinna and Crystal, where they're clearly at someone's home and they're dressed to the nines and Crystal says to Erica, is it that bad? And Rinna goes, yes. There's no bad? And Rinna goes, yes. There's no housewife like Rinna.

I'm sorry. She is A+. She nails her line. She really does. She nails her line. Rinna for Couch. Oh, you're so angry. Rinna for Couch finale. Rinna for Couch finale. Last episode of Lost Couch Recess, whenever it happens, Rinna. It's going to be Rinna for Couch. Rinna for Couch finale. Rinna for Couch finale.

Last episode of Last Coach Reese is whenever it happens, Rinna. It's going to be Rinna. Just Rinna, not us. You're going to win a Peabody. Finally. Okay, Maren Morris. Are you ready for I Don't Think So, Honey?

Yeah, I think so. This iconic moment in history. Okay, this is Maren Morris' I Don't Think So, Honey. Her time starts now. Okay, I Don so. This iconic moment in history. Okay, this is Maren Morris' I Don't Think So Honey. Her time starts now. Okay, I Don't Think So Honey music trends on TikTok, and I don't care if I come across as a jaded neo-Luddite boomer with this perspective, but as someone that likes TikTok and will continue to use it after this read. I cannot deal with the laziness of music label old guys

thinking in the last two years, them not having to put any money into creativity, into music videos, into award show performances, into touring. They think the only way they can make money is off of a TikTok trend through music. And a 12-year- old making up a dance with only their upper body and it has no swag. I cannot imagine my own songs popping to that. And I love TikTok, but it is such a lazy way of old guys in suits to make creatives feel like

they're only content creators. And I just can't. And I think that like, label guys to TikTok music trends is like Gretchen Wiener's to fetch. Like it's not going to happen. And that's one minute. Wow. Thank you so much for saying this. And this is the most,

this is the craziest example I can think of is Matt, did you clock that Demi Lovato released a cool for the summer sped-up version? Because the song has been trending on TikTok. People are doing their little dances. Great. We love it. But then they released a sped-up version of Cool for the Summer, a song that is, like, at this point, what, six years old?

Like, a sped-up version just to, like, get streaming dollars. Chasing it down. Chasing it down. But it's like, this is so fucking transparent like it's just for the tiktok dance of it all that all people are doing on the tiktok app is just speeding speeding up the sound to like double speed or pitching it up it's like which is great like that helps with the dance but it's like this is not a way for like music suits to like make money it's so stupid our engineer d Doug who's worked in the music biz

for a year says amen. Amen. Hot engineer Doug says amen. We love you, Doug. I mean, there's a time and a place but for it to only be the way of the future is just so soulless. And I just feel like it just makes everyone on this, like, conveyor belt of, like, musical fast food. And it just kills creativity. And for those who have done well with it, I commend you. But it honestly makes me hate the song sometimes. Where I only hear four seconds of it. And then I'll see that it's, like, nominated for a Grammy. And I'll be like, wait, this is the part I heard on TikTok.

And this is the whole song. It makes me go out of my way to not listen to it honestly it's unnatural it's not like the way that we consume it's and even if it's like supposedly the new way we consume media now like like in this at this length it's like it's not how it should be necessarily i don't know it's and also you know we we talked to artists like we had betty who on and i I talked to someone who's a recording artist. I won't name him, but like he was saying that his label was like, you have to have a TikTok hit and a huge TikTok presence or like we won't push the music. Julia Michaels has talked about that.

Yeah. Julia Michaels, who's written like one of the like some of the biggest pop songs of the last decade has said her own label like she put this on Twitter a few months ago where she was like if it doesn't go viral immediately on TikTok they just don't promote it and it just sucks because it's like not everyone

is treated that way but it's becoming like such a like closed door business where that's there's no creativity like everything is just sort of put on the same chopping block. This artist. And you even see Florence and the Machine unwillingly but begrudgingly doing TikToks

because she'll say, my label is making me do this. And all she does is sing acapella, and her fans love it. So that's totally, in its own way, her fans love it so like that's totally in its own way poking fun at it and it's pure but it's still like her being florence and but yeah she's like my label is making me do this it's just like i love i love like the artists that are at least like reclaiming ownership over their own like platform of art and it not just being this

like very see-through marketing tool they shouldn't be put in that position in the first place where like you are really pushing all of your creative instincts into like a mold that is like the size of a fucking like pinhole you know it's like how are you gonna like write how is that the objective to like write a song that like will fit into like a four second little dance anyway i know yeah when um when are your next shows in la and new york because we want to come see you so i'm doing the hollywood bowl i've never done the bowl what the hell oh that'll be when um wait i'm looking it up it's so chic that you don't know it actually is no it is well i was trying to actually do two

dates at the greek um because that was like you would be sick at the time i played la i just saw charlie xcx at the greek she put on an amazing show yeah i'm so jealous i actually saw it on tiktok um i saw casey at the greek right before the pandemic. I saw Maggie Rogers. The Greek is insane. Yeah, but I couldn't because of COVID and all the backed up tours that are getting rescheduled. I couldn't get two consecutive nights. So I was like, let's just do the bowl. So we're doing the bowl October 13th.

And then end of July, Radio City? Yes, yeah. I'm doing that July 29th. Okay, we're going to come to both. I'm going to go to New York and go to that, and then Bowen's going to come to LA. I'm coming to LA to go to one of the bowls. Oh my God. Almost Bowen has to be on Saturday Night Live that night. Not end of July. Oh, no.

Oh, in October. No, it doesn't matter. I'm telling Lauren. Lauren, I got to go. This was so fun to get to talk to you and meet you in person on zoom, et cetera, blah,

blah, blah. But your album is so great. I mean, and like, especially at a time when they're pushing like, you know, the tech talk bullshit.

Thanks for making like such an capital A album. And you're just the best. Thank you. Well, Hey, you guys like whatever you need, like I want to meet you at these shows or let's meet up when we're all in the same city but

please come back and say hello oh my god if they'll have us if they'll have us we admired respectfully at the Bowery Ballroom I'll take anything I can get if it's just a little wave or anything we love you so much

Maren truly this was so, so special. Thanks for coming on. Thank you for having me. I'm always going to check my DMs now. There you go. You got it. You got to be checking the DMs. And that's actually for everyone out there.

You have to check the DMs. We end every episode with a song. And Bowen, you know the one that's going to be. And I'm curious to know what keys we both choose. Is it woo, bitch? No, it's not. It's one to be. And I'm curious to know what keys we both choose. Is it woo bitch? No, it's not. It's one of yours. Feel like a heart to

get started when I'm driving. And to hear the rest of that, you have to listen to Hero, but stream Humblecrest. Stream Humblecrest. Stream it all. Bye. Bye y'all. I'm Julian Edelman.

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We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami?

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story

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