Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Marimba Spirit" (w/ Zane Phillips)

Episode Date: July 19, 2023

Piccolo-voiced culturista Matt Rogers is joined by his close friend, bassoon-throated actor Zane Phillips, on this episode of Las Culturistas to discuss being a lil academic smart girl, science fairs, hot coffee-and-crossword culture, and serving STEM at a young age. Also, coming up in the queer "scat pack" (lol noooo), playing against type when you are A Type, and why superhero movies are so washed out as of late. All this, America's Next Top Model and the act of transformation, Television Without Pity and recap culture, how Survivor has changed, how The Traitors should change, a rundown of playable Super Smash Bros. characters, a searing takedown of Mario Kart's Rainbow Road, and an honest discourse on the state of soup. Readers? We want to be culminated in you. And you will want to be culminated in THIS... episode! Of Las Cultch!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hi, everybody. It's Matt. And I just wanted to jump up top here and deliver some news. The first, listen to this, Bowen Yang returns to the podcast next week. My sister returneth. We open our arms in gratitude and welcome my sister. She's here again. Lost culture is this. Yeah, feels right. Also, this episode, Marimba Spirit with Zayn Phillips.

Let's talk about her for a sec. This was recorded prior to the Screen Actors Guild declaring that we're going on strike, and it was promotional at the time. What I've done is I've gone and I've removed all promotional aspects of this episode. Any projects that Zayn and I have been in together, anything that he was promoting at the time of the strike is out of here. So why, you may ask? Well, that is because as part of the strike, we will not be promoting anything that we're doing going forward if that

project is related to or connected to or promoting or helping a struck company. It's an important distinction until a fair deal is given to us. And anyone that is on this podcast will not be promoting anything. And that will continue for as long as it needs to, quite frankly. Of course, the podcast will continue, but the structure of it and the way that our guests and Bowen and I will be talking about culture will just be a little bit different in ways that we'll get into when Bowen gets back next week. But I didn't want to hold this episode back entirely because it's such a lovely discussion. And Zane is such a special person to me.

So I'm giving it to you. And then later on, the great news is we have a bonus episode with the man. So I want you to sit back. I want you to enjoy this one and know that Bowen is back in all his glory next week. Marimba Spirit with Zane Phillips starts now. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow.

Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong Las Culturistas calling

or La Culturista as we're doing lately One voice shining in the darkness And I know what you're thinking as you're listening to this Wow, that's a tenor That's a tenor right there

And I can confirm It's not as high as it was in 2017 which I find out every year when I go to tour my Christmas show and I realize I wrote tour my Christmas show and I realize I wrote it for a woman and I have what's very much a man's voice nowadays. But it is still a tenor voice. You'll remember a few months ago, if you're a devoted reader, Katie, publicist, finalist that consumes this podcast regularly, you'll remember when Betty Gilpin was on this podcast and she said

Bowen's voice with mine it's like piccolo and bassoon I'm giving sort of piccolo like fluting above and Bowen's sort of bassoon like and so I realized that that energy was really missing and so i got a fucking bassoon to be on the podcast with me today because i feel that vocally he's giving bassoon and this is gonna really soothe your ears you may even describe our energy on this podcast and this is a segue coming as very lydia and wickham and i've seen some of the youtube what they call them? Like they go on YouTube and they'll put like a clip package together of like, usually like the background music is like you and I collide. And it's like,

just like posted together clips of like, when you're a really hot person on a CW show, you sort of get this, which is you sort of get like put together in a YouTube clip package and you get to have like you and I collide and there's like fuzzy transitions and it's really fun. I'm just so thrilled to welcome a true thespian. We'll talk about how he exemplified those skills at the Lascautresas Culture

Awards, but please welcome my bassoon for this episode, Zane Phillips. Oh my God. So you came in with a high woo. I know. I know. Well, I had to really, so first of all, we need to talk about how, when you first said

that, I thought you had gotten an actual bassoon to like come and be on the podcast. Can you imagine if I then just whipped out like a four minute solo bassoon solo? I mean, I would have not been surprised. You think I'm that talented? I do think so. I think, I think you have, honestly, you do have some secret talents I'm that talented? I do think so. I think you have. Honestly, you do have some secret talents. Do I?

Yeah, I think so. I guess maybe. Yeah, it's the cross country of it all. You know, it's the baseball of it all. Yeah, I mean, I guess I do have an athletic past. Yeah, yeah. I can certainly throw a ball. And I think you would have been a star in band.

I played clarinet for two years. Well, there you go. See, you were doing more in high school. And I think you would have been a star in band. I played clarinet for two years. Well, there you go. See, you were doing more in high school, and I love how immediately we get it. I'm getting into the nugget of who you are. It wasn't sports for you in middle school and high school. No, because I grew up in South Denver. That's where I was born. And so there I was fully on track to be developing like a normal gay kid.

Like I was playing a lot of pretend. I was running through the forest. I was, you know. Sort of frolicking. I was frolicking. It was a lot of frolicking. Frolick culture. And so then when I moved to Texas in middle school, the frolicking was no more.

And suddenly it was UT or A&M. And so that was kind of the thing. So I was thrust into that in a way that I wasn't quite prepared for. So I sort of receded. And instead I went to academics. That was sort of my.. So I was thrust into that in a way that I wasn't quite prepared for. So I sort of receded. And instead, I went to academics. That was sort of my... You became smarco culture. That was, yeah.

Yeah. Smarco culture. I mean, English. English star. That's another hidden talent. I certainly was English star. But here's the thing about Zane Phillips. The quirks in your personality, which I think are the best, are...

And I made sure I had it today. Hot coffee only. Okay? Hot coffee only. This. Hot coffee only. This is the part where day culture eludes you. You are not cold brew culture. I'm not cold brew culture. Is it because it makes you crazy?

No, it's not even that. Because I think like I'm going to be crazy regardless. And I know that about myself. But no, I think there's something. One, I love brewing coffee. I love the ritual of it. Yeah, because I do my little, and now I've been doing half-calf, so there's something even more complicated to it.

So I'll do a little bit of my dark roast, and then I'll do my decaf, and I'll do the little bean blender. My mom is going to be so happy to hear this, because she is one of those people that does like half decaf, half regular calf. And I'm like, you know, that's just regular calf. Yeah. She also does half and half in milk. And I'm like, that's milk.

But it's a slightly fattier milk. Because I think like in Europe, can't you get like 3% milk? What? Yeah. Super duper fat milk. Yeah. But that's the thing is like, I think there's so many percents that we're not investigating. Wow.

We're limiting ourselves with skim 1%, 2%. Well, I was a 2% house. I think we were two. I think we were two. Yeah, 2% is valid and valuable. Yeah. But I mean, imagine. It's actually real culture number 88.

2% is valid and valuable. It is. And I think, you know, what would 4% give? I mean, also. What would 4% give? Also, heavy cream. Is that 100%? I don't think so, right?

I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. Is that just butter? Oh, yeah. I guess at that point. I would really. I would. I personally, I'm at a point in my life where I can drop everything and do a dairy investigation.

I see. Like sort of a cereal type of thing. I'm actually going to do a podcast. This is like a really good science fair. It's spelled like cereal. Yeah. I mean, it's literally leading back to academic culture. We're literally coming up with science fair topics on the podcast.

Yeah. So if any 12 year olds are like, I got to find something by Friday. Or if any parents out there, because can we talk about parents doing their science fair? Can we talk about, oh my God. Yeah. No, we don't i don't remember doing science fairs but the way that my mom came through for all of my crazy because did you when okay so let's say you had a project i remember this one project i had in sixth grade and we were doing um i don't know we were like reading a book uh-huh as one does in sixth grade yeah and often often that happens it happens frequently and so i remember we had to create a timeline uh-huh and the point is you had to make as one does in sixth grade. Yeah, often. Often. That happens. It happens frequently.

And so I remember we had to create a timeline. And the point is you had to make it interesting or something. And for some reason, because I was also really enveloped in food culture at this point, I was like, I'm going to make a fully edible timeline. And so I made like a giant cookie. And then I did like a hard glaze on it and then was like drawing on it with edible. It was...

So the timeline was on a big cookie was, was on a big cookie. It was on a big cookie. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. And did you score an excellent grade? I don't remember. All I remember is my mother staying up with me and do the cookie.

Yeah. Because it is so, I was overcomplicating everything I possibly could. You know, I feel like, were you part of that too? You know what? I was, it depended on the subject. Like for me, it was like that to me, like that's not even home economics. Like were you science boy? I was, yeah, I was sort of giving STEM.

You were giving STEM. Math, science. See, and I was giving other side of their brain. I was like English, social studies, and then brain dead when it came to the other thing. However, I did come up with one science fair that actually was good. And I think my science fair project kind of gave. And I'm going to pitch it to you now.

Okay, okay. And tell me if you think this is a contender for a science fair winner. Sure, sure, sure, sure. So my project was, I wanted to know what kind of cup kept liquids coldest the longest. So I did a glass cup a plastic cup a paper cup a mug like a

ceramic mug and then a styrofoam cup okay well then those are all the cups i don't know another cup and first of all i was also searching because like who the fuck thinks about a styrofoam cup you know what i mean like back in the day though, before the awareness of like, you don't really want to be drinking out of styrofoam because it's like, it can be health, you know, risky. But the styrofoam cup did keep the liquid coldest the longest. So that was sort of the problematic result of my science experiment. And I did get honorable mention for it.

Okay, so honorable mention, meaning there was first place? There was first place, second place, third place. And I believe they gave an honorable mention for it. Okay, so honorable mention meaning there was first place? There was first place, second place, third place, and I believe they gave an honorable mention. Okay. So does that mean fourth place? Does that functionally mean fourth place? I think it means, it probably means fourth place. Yeah, I guess. Or does it mean it's another axis? Because I think first, second, and third are

probably all along the science axis, but what you were giving was, you were giving real life applicability, actually, in a way way that by you even telling me this right now, I've learned something. I don't think, I don't think any of those first, second or third placers could have helped me in my life right now. No. And my thing is like, I think that's where I earned a distinction.

They said, this is a project that is worthy of a sort of, we have to mention it because this is functional culture. This is functional culture. Yeah. of a sort of, we have to mention it because this is functional culture. This is functional culture, yeah. That might've been the smartest I ever was, but I guess the academic culture for you, like for me, it ended there. That's the smartest I ever got.

For you, my image of you is drinking your hot coffee during the summer and absolutely slaying the crossword. Yeah. And it was ritualistic for you. It was really ritualistic. And I think, Yeah. And it was ritualistic for you. It was really ritualistic. And I think, I feel like it was cemented during the pandemic too

because I would wake up every morning and that was my way of, yeah, feeling like I had something to do because I was also tutoring at the time. So it was morning crossword coffee, afternoon tutoring, try to get a workout somewhere in between. Yeah.

That is so funny how things change in such a short amount of time. Because I do remember like you were like tutoring constantly. Yes. And I think I remember telling you, I was like, you know what? I think maybe you don't have to tutor anymore. And I think I was part of, I think I was like there during the sea change of like Zane realizing he's not a tutor anymore. He's actually an actor it was really wild for that to happen i think i mean god it was such a sea change because

i think for me i never felt i always felt more comfortable i mean there's those of us who just feel comfortable doing school like we were comfortable getting the a's and working on the things that had you know one, one right answer. Yeah. And it is so crazy to me sometimes. I think I'm like, I can't believe I am in the arts. I think, you know, that I, as a person who have this brain that needs one-to-one relationships, it is crazy to me that I'm an actor. And so I think you were definitely there during a part of my life where I was starting to

gain a lot more confidence in that sort of creative mess. Right. Now I'm just fully entrenched in. Yeah. I'm the dumbest I've ever been. I'm so excited about it. No, you're the most open to things. And I'm the most open.

Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm just, I'm putting, my eggs are, yeah, they're just rolling around. They're not even in baskets. Every time I feel like we see a combination of queers in media, it's like an undiscovered molecule. Suddenly there Like there's, there's always something that I feel like is new because I think queer people, we are chameleons in a way, right? We've, we've always had to move through this. Expert code switchers. Exactly, exactly, exactly. And I think, you know, it's something that I've had to unpack with myself because my God, you can get so far away from who you actually know yourself to be without even realizing it, you know, but on the other hand, like I really love being able to play into that. And that was, I mean, it's really enjoyable to me to think about the various molecules that we can continue to

create. And especially even within, I mean, I feel like our cohort of career performers who are sort of coming up right now and we're all starting to like work with each other and, you know, we're in and out of products with each other that's really special to me it's giving rat pack it's giving listen it's giving i don't know yeah what is the gay version called i don't know what is that we'll find it splat pack because they call because they essentially they really nailed it in the 80s with Brat Pack Brat Pack I know Scat Pack Scat Pack might be

too hot for TV too hot for TV honestly but not too hot for this podcast not too hot for this no nothing I mean I just

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Here's the thing, you know, I feel so blessed to have not peaked in high school. You know, I think, man, if you're out there and you're younger and you're not feeling like you've totally come into yourself know that there is going to be a day where you are so glad that it took time yeah oh that's really nice yeah because i'm i was so socially anxious and so just it was really hard for me to make friends and to feel like I was cool or probably you know whatever however the metrics were in middle school high school but I do think it has allowed me to sort of figure out what the what are just the things that make me happy and find the friends that actually enjoy me for me and yeah the truth is I'm like a total doof and I love the fact that

I was able to sort of explore that a little bit and again it was one of the truth is I'm like a total doof and I love the fact that I was able to sort of explore that a little bit and again it was one of the first times I was able to like that's why I was so I felt like I was you know walking on the moon for the first time yes yes every step so trepidatiously but I don't think I could have done it without you know having the background of like working with y'all and when when I was doing theater, there was so much. And you were doing theater all your twenties. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that's, you know, I did get my BFA in music theater from Elon university and you weaponized it and I weaponized it to an extent. Um, but the thing is,

you know, with theater, I never felt like what I brought to the table was what was being asked of me. If that makes sense. Because, you know, you're hearing me. I'm giving bassoon. Yeah, it gives bassoon. I'm giving perhaps, you know.

But your spirit is piccolo. Alto sax. Yeah, my spirit. And my spirit is, God, who knows, like marimba. Yeah. Marimba spirit title of app. Marimba spirit. Marimba spirit. Wow, I love that track name for you. Honestly? Okay. Marimba Spirit. Marimba Spirit.

Wow, I love that track name for you. Honestly? Okay. Marimba Spirit. Put on that red wig again. We'll do it. But no, I think, you know, you come into a space, you're a man of a certain height, you know, and I don't know.

I just felt like there was never anything that asked me to feel too deeply or to have interesting perspectives on things. I see. And I was doing my best, you know, because I was doing the boyfriend roles and I was doing the sort of the pleasant guy who's just around, you know, and everyone kept on telling me like,

Zane, just wait until you're 30. The theater roles will just come swinging. And I just, I don't know. Like I was so tired of waiting. To grow into a type. Yeah. Because I think for so long I had let myself be blown around by the winds around me because Texas is very, I mean, that's very Texas, right? It's, it's not, you know, I, I don't know. I always thought like New York is giving hustle, make things happen. You know, I create my own opportunities. Texas is very much, I'm just grateful for what I have.

I wait for God to show me what the right move is. And I think I had to unlearn a lot of that. And with that, I just started to realize theater wasn't making me happy right around that time, the pandemic hit. And so, you know, there wasn't any theater happening anyway and so I think that's why right now when I'm looking at my career and I'm looking at what I want to do my god it's like I feel like the world has opened up in terms of what is even out there just the range that again like whenever you have these queer characters especially now like they are showing

so many different sides to themselves they are having so many different stories and i mean like to have it's like every single archetype out there can be queered and we haven't dug to the bottom of the well yet you know it's there's so much still out there um you know and i think that's my thing is like as long as i can continue doing different things as long as i continue being a part of of that yeah evil of sorts yeah and and like i guess what's important to me now is like making sure and of course obviously there's this thing of like you know you have to work and so you do what you have to do to work but like the dream is to be a part of interesting things.

You know what I mean? Things that are at least like, even if they're swings or, you know, even if they're, you know, something that finds an audience later or like isn't necessarily appreciated based on the trailer of what it is or whatever, it just at least was different,

had something to say and had perspective. Because that's, I guess, my thing is just at least was different, had something to say and had perspective. Cause that's, I guess my thing is, it's just like, what is the perspective? Like there's things. And what frustrates me is a lot of the media that we're being asked to consume now has lost all perspective.

I really think that's why the superhero movies are all washing out is because there's so much of them because it feels like all we're being given that we're losing perspective. And I just think even with television like you know i wonder when i watch and just like that if the perspective is still there and you know what i mean it's just like there's so many things where i'm like i just hope that we can keep interesting things happening and because it feels like it's less and less, maybe just a frustrating moment for the industry in general. But like, that's what I look for and I want to be involved in.

Totally. And I think that's what you have been involved in. So far, I've been really lucky. I feel like so have you. And I think that is one of the things too, that is like, you know, that's what we can fall back on. Because, you know, I don't know about you, but right now I expect every job to be the last.

You know, I don't expect anything to, you know, I do the work and then I'm looking for like, okay, how can I still create that next opportunity? Because the world isn't necessarily always going to support the interesting work. So, you know, we have to do it. We have to put our all into it. And then we have to keep moving forward and keep trying to find it.

And that's when you probably do have to be like grateful for the fact that like through your 20s, you were constantly working. Yeah. Because that's another thing is it's just like, I mean, flat out point blank. When you have like a learned history of like, I had to keep hustling. I had to keep working. And that goes all the way back to me in like high school. It's like the second I could get a job,

my dad was like, you're going and bussing tables. You know what I mean? Like that was how I was. So that's what informs my thing as an actor of like, got to work. And that's just, I guess something I'm grateful for now is that nothing gets taken for

granted. And just with that idea of that being a central tenet of why we are the way we are, I want to transition to asking you the central question of this podcast, the central tenet of this podcast, which is, for those whose first episode this is, that's everyone who loves those YouTube super cuts

that are cut to How We Days Collide. We ask everyone on this podcast, loves those YouTube super cuts that are cut to how your days collide. Absolutely. We ask everyone on this podcast, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? That moment in life that you can look back on, whether it's a micro or macro thing that you're like, Zane became Zane as a result of fill in the blank. Yeah.

It's so funny because this is going to be, I think, an almost identical answer to Miss Benny's. Really? Yes, because we had talked a lot about, I mean,

it's weird how similar Benny and I's reference points end up being, but it was absolutely top model. Really? Yes. Oh, that's so funny because I was like,

maybe he doesn't know what Miss Benny said because it can't be top model for Zayn. No, it absolutely is. So picture this. Wow. Picture this.

Unpack. I'm 12 years old. Right. I remember this is like, I think spring of like 2006 or something. I'm starting to, you know, we have like a computer now. You know, we're starting to like come into our own on the internet. Family computer vibes. Yeah, absolutely. our own on the internet um family computer vibes yeah absolutely so i don't know how it happened

but i'm just remembering the imagery of because first of all let's talk about the top model promo shoots were always insane amazing insane incredibly like arresting yep you know this this was the days of course when it was still on upn they were in fact models they were in fact and you really got that from the picture exactly it's actually rule of culture number 88 on top model they were in fact models and you really got that from the pictures um yeah and so it was I think the theme was I don't know they were all fairies this was cycle six right and I think because you know tv was very much like a shared thing for our family. So anything that I was experiencing, I was experiencing with my family. This was the first time where I was starting to experience something away from them and away from the immediate culture around me.

Because I was in Texas at this point. And so there was no, this was a singular experience that I was going through. Because of rerun culture? It wasn't rerun culture. So specifically, what it was, was recap culture. Cause of rerun culture. It wasn't rerun culture. So specifically what it was, was recap culture recap. Yeah. And so did you ever remember television without pity?

Of course. Yeah. So that became sort of my like daily temple of sorts. Like I would, cause I couldn't watch anything, but I would keep up. And I started reading recaps for all these shows that I had never seen. I would go back and read recaps for all these different things.

And so that's why now I am sort of like, I feel definition, a reader. You know what I mean? Because that's a lot of times how I still experience. So you understand that breakdown of what it means to be a reader, a consumer. Absolutely, yes, yes. Because I'm not, a lot of times,

I don't talk about culture. I don't engage in cultural commentary on Twitter or anything like that. But I'm always taking things in. I'm always getting things through osmosis. You're not a publicist. No, no, I'm not. I'm not a publicist. And I can only hope to be a finalist one day.

You're a finalist. I think I'm honorable mentioning. Fourth place. Yeah, fourth placing, which I'm fine with. I'm fine with. I'm fine with. I feel comfortable with that. So much room to grow. But I think specifically with Top Model,

there's something about the transformational aspect of that show. Got it. Right? Which is that, I mean, one, we love a process of elimination and finding, you know, bullshit reasons to get rid of girls.

But also it was the fact that you took these sort of, you know, these normal people, I mean, all around the country and turn them into something else. And I think that's why it's such a brilliant concept for a show. Right. It's why the makeover episode is so iconic is because a lot of times it was just to torture them. But then sometimes that was where I don't know. I just someone saw themselves for the first time for real.

Exactly. It's like in the way that Snatch Game on Drag Race sort of clinches who were the contenders, the makeover clinched who were the contenders on that show. Because it was, okay, how could you take something new, adapt it to yourself, and then honestly make it your power? Interesting. Yeah. So for me, I think seeing, I mean, it's wild now because, you know, now I'm like starting to do photo shoots and, you know, and I think I still keep with me this idea that I love this act of transformation. I love this, this act of sort of, I mean, it's, you know, it's with acting as well of being able

to put something on and have that become your new power for the day. yeah so so yeah so i mean but i was obsessed and so like i memorized elimination orders i knew exactly like who went home on which photo shoot right and this is because of television without pity without watching it or were you watching no i i don't think i watched it for a couple years because then they would start because then i think i was able to catch some of they would have like the marathons on vh1 or whatever yes of course I don't think because I think they were still pretty tight about how it was airing with like the UPN and CW thing but um but yeah I was I was like obsessed with figuring out like just just parsing out why was something I mean why was something ridiculous I mean I don't know I remember like the god like the photo recaps on Tumblr too.

Yeah. Like I was just really big into recap culture. Yeah. And that was sort of my gateway. So it was really the fact that you couldn't be up in your house watching this because of a self-consciousness maybe, or just because of like a, not even just that, but also just like real estate wise.

Like it was not going to be what everyone was watching together it was also just not straight boys in Texas didn't watch Top Model didn't do that that would be a pretty big giveaway I think maybe Long Island was just different or maybe metrosexual culture was just hitting

really hard where I grew up because it was fine that I watched American Idol America's Next Top Model also I think it was the recap no watched American Idol, America's Next Top Model. And also I think it was the recap of it. No, not the recap, the rerun of it all,

because that's how I got into top model. I certainly was not, I don't think I ever watched it when it was on, when it was actually on UPN or the WB or whatever it was. It was like those 13 episodes in a row on VH1 where it was like, you could start in the morning and then it was like crack by the end. It was like, is it Carrie D or Melrose?

And it was famously Carrie D. Wow. And the way that we were all team Carrie D and now you look back and you're like, it was Melrose. It was Melrose. It was about Melrose. It was always, it probably was about another girl that didn't even make it that far.

I think that was the twins that season. And they were, they were God. Yeah. Season seven was really an interesting time. So no, that was season. Sorry.

Season eight, season eight was cycle. Eight was Carrie D and Melrose. Yeah. Maybe you're right. Wow. That is encyclopedic. And that can only be attained by at a formative time in life,

being on message boards like that and websites like that. Yes, yes. Which was very much my culture too. Yes, yes. And it was the fact too, because now, you know, I find too that the best way

I feel like I can enjoy things is by watching them with other people and then talking about it afterwards and then having the full water cooler conversation. I was on the ground for you getting into Survivor. You were, you were. Absolutely. Yeah. And that was big for me. And being able to, I mean, cause I've been, I was on the ground for you getting into Survivor. You were, you were. Absolutely. Yeah.

And that was big for me. And being able to, I mean, because I've been, I keep on texting you being like, wow, Matt, like Nicaragua, underrated, right? And you're like, I'm going to be honest. And I was like, I'm going to be real. You might have out Survivored me on this one. I don't think I've seen Nicaragua. But like, I remember you getting into it.

And I also remember being like, you would slay this show. I, so I've told you this, I'm doing, so Matt Pavlovich also remember being like, you would slay this show. I, so I've told you this, I'm doing so Matt Pavlovich, who's like, I don't know if you know him, but anyway, he's a friend of my friends,

but now, you know, we're friends, but anyway, he does this survivor thing every year. So I'm doing it on Saturday. So you're doing it on Saturday. Yes.

It's coming up. It's coming up. Now this episode will come out after that. Exactly. So listen, we can talk about what your game plan is. Exactly. So, so let's just play what your game plan is. Yes, exactly. So let's just play out a fantasy scenario where,

sure, you're doing this on Saturday, but you, Zane, are cast on Survivor. Yeah, yeah. What are we giving? Okay, so... And I know you're looking at me. He's getting all ready. I know.

I'm, like, sweating. I'm, like, so excited. Okay, so I think... Let's talk about, like, classic Survivor, because 26 Days Survivor, I feel like, is a little bit of a different ballgame. It's so... Yeah. I'm not into what it's become. No, no, I'm not either.

But, but I think pre-merge, right? I'm, if y'all don't, I mean, I know podcasting is visual medium, but you know, if you can picture me, I'm a pretty big guy. Yeah. I at least give an appearance of athleticism. You come with a, let's just say,

there is an air about you where you'd think physical threat. Sure, sure. So hopefully, right, pre-merge strategy, right, is be friendly enough, right? Just make people know that I'm, hey, I'm not crazy. I'm here for the team, right? So that I can, I just need to make it to merge, right? Have the good enough

relationships the thing is right i feel like post merge obviously is all about threat management totally obviously so here's the thing it really depends i feel like you know it depends on who you're with and whether you are with smart people because i think like if I can connect with someone and really let them know, like without putting it all out there, like, Hey, I'm actually like, my strength is not what I bring physically. My strength is actually hopefully what I can bring mentally. You know, if, if they did those little, um, you don't remember the challenges they used to do with like, they'd read the story and then you'd have to like go around. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like, I be my king shit like i would be i'd be very good at that you know which no one would expect you know so so you know i need to hide that long they don't think you're listening

but hopefully like yeah have the good alliance and then you know realistically i just i just want to make jury i just want to be a part of the full process there you go because i i really don't think yeah i don't think i'd be able to make it to the end you don't think so yeah, I don't think I'd be able to make it to the end. You don't think so? I just, I don't know. It's like, you know, you have to think about all the factors that sort of compile, right? To create this image of who's a threat and who's not. Right. And I'm not trying to gas myself up, but I think I'm just, I can be pleasant. I can be a pleasant person.

So that doesn't always work in your favor. No, I think that there's this idea that you don't want well what survivor has really become is it's like how do you mask how good you are you know what i mean it's like because you want to ultimately get to the final three so you can then reveal yes hopefully in an eloquent way which is a whole other thing is that you have to really deliver an amazing final tribal and ultimately ends up being how charismatic and how convincing you are at that point but it's also about showing in that moment the surprising and sort of brand new ways you have navigated getting there and how you fooled

everyone into thinking that you were one thing and actually you were not only just good at this but a mastermind yeah so it's like i think we've seen in the last five seasons of survivor the quote-unquote best player who certainly would have won in like a kim spradlin year yes like come in fifth yes yeah like i'm reminded of eight through fifth is where all the the stars go i'm reminded of shannon ricard yeah i'm reminded of hi yep i'm reminded of jesse carla yes jesse carla these these contestants that in many ways like would have 10, 15 seasons ago, but now it's almost impossible for them to win, which makes it incredibly difficult to prove you deserve to win. Totally. Because we've seen, and I think it's an unfortunate pattern, but I also understand the pattern.

The past three or four years, you would not have picked those people in the opening episodes of the show to win the show. No. And even like that with the runners up. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like it sort of becomes this new thing of like, how do I just get to the end

and then prove I was stealth expert? It feels like a more frantic game. Yeah. It feels like a more, it feels like a more frantic game it feels like a more um it feels like honestly the social aspect has has deteriorated a little bit absolutely you know and especially with all i mean with all the advantages and it's too much it's it's too much and i think what the beauty of the game is and the reason why i think everyone gets obsessed with it is because you can see so much of when you're watching you know one of the older

seasons it is so easy to see yourself there and suddenly your brain goes through all the options of like how you would do in the situation because there are a ton of ways to go through but there's you know there's nothing to be done when there's eight idols out there and you know it's it's and the thing where it's like someone can smash the hourglass and time goes back it's like there's in the merge and when it was like 11 people in the merge and only four people were eligible for getting voted out like that's that's why it's like it's like how do you even you can't even play the game anymore because the game the game is just going to do what it wants and like you know you just have to not be screwed that's like a macro

note i have about like reality shows in general that i've been on for a long time that are really trying to find new ways to feel relevant and to feel exciting you actually do that with casting and this is why i would say that carolyn weiger was such a star is because they found someone really compelling yes and they found someone who you could root for and understand but also was going to be polarizing in behavior yeah i always was saying during the season like carolyn weiger would have been on the cover of people magazine had this happened in 2011 you know what i mean like had this been back in the day caro Carolyn as a character would have been a huge star. But I think that that's why this was my favorite season out of the ones that have happened since Winners of War is because it feels like they really hit the jackpot

with casting. And like all of them were compelling and had fun stories. And even if you had made a decision about them, you saw like a package that was put together about their life. Like I kind of like, didn't really care too much about Heidi. And then they put together a package on her life.

And I remember at the end of the package, I was like, Oh, I'm fully rooting for her now, which should be the way it feels. And I think the mistake that's being made, and maybe it's rectified now that this season was such a success is that there's an idea that the stunts are what

invest people in the show and i just think that is such a miscalculation it is about characters it is about character dynamics it's about casting i mean that's what separates even like a really good season of drag race from anything's like you want to remember the people. Exactly. Say what you want about how you might feel about what Candy Muse is acting like on the season of All Stars. You remember Candy Muse forever. Yeah.

You know what I mean? That's why you keep seeing some of these people come back like Eureka. You might not gag for Eureka's personality, but you remember Eureka. Totally. You remember Vangie. You need to cast stars in this thing.

Just before we even got on this, we were talking about the traitors. Right. Let's get into that. Let's get into the traitors. I think the traitors was good, but it felt imperfect. It felt like there was some stuff missing. Tell me first your thoughts. We were talking a little bit before. And then I said we have to save it.

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fucking problem and now i think with a cast of all reality stars we're gonna have people who are on board who know the assignment and are going to want to play the game in the same timbre. And that's my opinion. Yeah, absolutely. And I do agree with that. It should either be all reality stars. I would be curious to see it with all just normal people. I think that's the way the original UK is. They do it in the UK like that,

which, by the way, the UK Traders is a great watch. I need to watch it. It's really, really good. And it just goes to show what a great game it is because it goes in a completely different way. Right. So my main issue with this first season of

the US version is because if you compare it with something like The Mole, right, where The Mole is going to be there till the very end anyway, right? So there's no issue with them. And the point of it is that they're supposed to sabotage the challenges. And so, I don't know,

the game of it feels very clean, right? Whereas with the traders, first of all, what incentive is there for the traders to do anything but pretend to be faithful, right? There is absolutely no incentive, right? So essentially, everyone is playing the game the same. Right.

They're all trying to get money for the pot because they can all win the money. Right. Right. So I feel like there needs to be something added to where either the traders are incentivized to sabotage the challenges or they're incentivized to reveal to sort of risk their secrecy or there has to be a way for the faithful to like win clues something like that because what i feel like i found watching the seasons i had no idea why anyone was getting voted out it was just all vibes yeah you know and i just think like if you're gonna just go off vibes make it more of a social game then you know what i mean if the

challenges are you know typical reality show challenges like physical aspects but that doesn't do anything to actually help you. There was no stakes. No yeah so that was my thing is I kept on being like it feels like two different shows and I wouldn't know I'm not with the people and understanding really why you're getting bad vibes about somebody. I almost don't

even need the physical challenges at all I almost feel like we really go clue with this yeah lock them in the house yeah the vibe is that makes them even more crazy yeah and the way that money is earned is a little bit more similar to the mole and that like it's things around the house and like social games we can play like literal like you know mysteries riddles things like that that take place in the house that also thematically and aesthetically go more with the traders vibe of like this,

like secrecy, this like, you know, intrigue. Cause when we leave the house, it literally becomes like the challenge. It literally becomes like real world road rules in a way where I'm like, this doesn't feel like it.

And the only reason it feels like we're doing this is because we have these reality show cast members and we want to see them like this because it's familiar to us. Yeah. I think that we could simplify this and just think of a more creative way to make money a driving factor. Yeah. With different stakes for the traders and the faithfuls. There's like maybe there's almost like two different pots or something. There's like a secret trader pot and like a,

exactly. Like a faithful pot or something. Yeah. And maybe more things are done in the dark. Exactly. I think there just needs to be, because I remember when like Kate, for example,

was like throwing away the barrels. Right. I was like, well, this doesn't, this like you wouldn't, cause the trader wants money too. So this is nothing,

but this is an interesting gameplay move it's just her being annoying and here i thought actually the opposite because i was like she's actually proving that she she believes the game is going in a way where the traders are winning yes and so therefore she's like i'm going to show you how much i'm not a trader they're gonna win and i don't want them to win money. So I'm throwing it down the hill. I don't want the traders to win, which could go either way. Could go either way. And that's an interesting perspective.

I just, you know, wish we could have like heard more from her. Right, exactly. Because really more of the takes they cut to from her were like, I don't like being here. And I remember Kate was very polarizing on the show but i'm like yeah but that's fun to watch yeah you know what i mean and the thing about reality show cast members is their stunt queens in a way these boring girls aren't because that's one thing that almost everyone that was a normie on the show shared was they were all boring yeah and there's a reason why someone has success on a reality show and is cast again

and is in play for something like this because they are compelling which brings me back to the survivor of it all which is you need compelling characters it was one of the reasons why I was so obsessed with the first two seasons of The Mole way back in 2001, 2002

and did you watch the new one? I did watch the new one and I did watch the new one. And I think, yeah, it was exactly what you're saying, is we saw really interesting challenges. You saw, what I love about The Mole is that it involves the place in a really tangible way. They were in Australia, it was all these things. But it was

cast like the circle. You know what I mean? You had all these sort of hot dummies and I'm like, oh my god, nobody's even knowing how to play the game. Whereas the first season of The Mole is one of the best reality competition shows you'll ever watch because the characters are interesting. They're smart and they're all affected differently by the game. Like The Mole of season one is one of the most interesting reality TV characters I've ever seen. They process their role in the game in such an intriguing way. Yeah.

There's also something too with the mole not knowing. Yeah. The audience literally not knowing. Yes. Yes. Which is so funny. The central thing of the traitors is you know. Right.

And so I thought from the very beginning, I'm like, is this going to take away from it? And I actually now a note I have for the mole is like I don't want to know like of course there's that element of surprise and it's a completely different thing but what I like about the traders is knowing the whole time and really appreciating a good trader yeah like Seri yeah like was so excellent at that and her acting was so good and she was so compelling at that. And her acting was so good. And she was so compelling. And the thing is, the way that no one really even suspected her, that was there at the end.

Meanwhile, people that did suspect her early on, like Brandi Glanville, which the fact that Brandi Glanville was perceptive was mind-blowing to me. But she was gone. So I think at its full potential, it has this incredible opportunity to give what the mole gives and also give like the best of survivor in this atmosphere,

which feels very brand new and feels very, which is the castle. And Alan is so good. And I love the set design of them sitting around that table. I love so much of what they've found that I'm excited that at least one thing is going to be improved from last to first in my purview. And it sounds like yours too, which is we're getting people that are all on the same page. Yes. Yeah.

It puts everyone. Because that wasn't fun to watch them get that upset. No. And also like it puts everyone in an even playing field in terms of being visible. You know what I mean like like people would have suspicions of you know these random reality tv characters because you're like well i know who you are i've seen how you played whereas like you're like i don't know little plain girl yeah you know i don't know who you are yeah who are you you know it's it's and what i also like is it's like had the finalists that were normies

in season one of the traders not been fools they would have known this but what i love is that as a established reality show person amongst other established reality show people who are all aware of each other yeah it then presents the challenge of playing against type yeah needing to play against type so for example if someone like parvati were to be cast on season two of The Traitors, that would be a really interesting challenge for her. Because she comes with a background of deviousness. If you know who Parvati is, you are not going to- Let her stay.

No. And that was what happened with her in Winners at War. So it presents an interesting challenge. But also then, if they were to cast people on the same level as her, I can think of some housewives. I really want to see Candace Dillard Bassett on the trainers. I want to see some people that are going to shake it up.

I could think of, I mean, so many people from Survivor I would love to see. I would love to see Sandra Diaz-Twine. I would love to see Boston Robb. I would love to see all the girls. Bring back all the greats and put them in this atmosphere because I want to see you

in a non-survivor world have to prove that you are good enough to inhabit another persona to success. It's the sort of social aspect of Survivor that we've sort of been missing, right? Exactly. And that's what I love

about Traders because it does fill that niche. I love that. And I think we solved it. I think we solved it. And I think, just send us your problems. Send us your problems. This has now become an advice podcast. And speaking of advice, you can always heed warnings from

our last segment on this podcast which is called i don't think so honey because we're basically what we're saying here is this thing don't do it this thing don't be it this thing don't engage yeah it's very relevant so this actually we're looking for ways to shake it up while my sister is on break and i actually this is the first time i've ever done this okay I got tweeted someone saying I don't think so honey this thing and I was like

oh my god I'm gonna do this one you're being prompted I'm being prompted so this goes out to at rebar back at

R-E-B-A-R B-A-Q-U-E your emoji on Twitter is like a Bratz doll and I love that and at 10 52 a.m on july 2nd 2023 you tweeted this to me i don't think so honey blank and i'm gonna do it right now this is the first time i've ever sourced and i don't think so honey i saw this and i knew i had to do it

it's not my own idea but i feel like it is I feel like I'm Kelly Clarkson covering a song at Kellyoke like I'm going to make it my own so here's my I don't think so honey my time starts now I don't think so honey rainbow road in Mario Kart it is the most boring level and it is what we work up to I'm sorry but it is miles

and miles and miles literally of the same old rainbow road and I don't think so honey that it's a height and we've done when you go to the fucking haunted shack mama that's the gig when you when you are in Bowser's Castle don't I don't think so honey being in Bowser's Castle

and then the height and on that ultimately when you get to the final cup whatever it is that it's going to be 30 seconds I have left Rainbow Road it is a miles and miles and miles of bullshit. Also, the most frustrating thing is when you fall off the Rainbow Road, it's like you haven't, it's like

why did you even do the race to begin with? Meanwhile, we don't race in Mario Kart to stay in the lines. We need to be careening offsides. We need to be able to use our items. We need to be able to be battling with the girls and I don't think so honey that Rainbow Road allows us to do that. With five seconds, I'm going to say, Rainbow Road, you're basic, you're boring, you're nothing.

And I don't want to be culminated in you. I don't think so. Man, I don't want to be culminated. I don't want to be culminated in you. That sounds actually horny. That sounds, yeah, I think like a period lesbian line. I want to be culminated in you yeah

wait that sounds I'm actually going to try that the next time I'm on one when I'm out I'm going to tell the guy that I'm going to hook up with I want to be culminated in you

yeah and you just have to trust that he's not going to know what you're talking about like basically or you're not talking like a killer yeah exactly I want to be culminated

by you like that means go home and kill me yeah like I want to be your final and your last i want to be the be my call the rainbow road of your kills we climb next and culminate um thoughts on rainbow road i think no i agree i think thematically it's um pretty simple i think it is an exercise in rigidity um yeah you know what i mean i think you're right. I think maybe Mario Kart has grown beyond it. I think maybe it should be a sort of...

It feels like it hasn't adapted. It feels like it should be a starting point. You know what I mean? It should be the thing that you sort of start with. I agree with that. I'm also really bad at Mario Kart, so the fact that you can just fall off... Were you ever good? Were you good when it was more simple?

No, it wasn't my girl. I was a Smash Bros. queen, I guess. When it was no no it wasn't it wasn't my girl i was a smash bros queen i guess smash brothers that was when it was on gamecube yeah yeah smash bros melee is yeah smash bros melee was the height and i'm gonna say this right now there was a time tell me when no one could beat me in smash bros melee when i was fal. No one could beat me. Wow. I actually think at my highest capability, I was unbeatable at the game. That's all I'm going to say. We're going to test it right now.

No, oh my God, I would love. Bring out a GameCube. Do you think you could, you smashed Melee. I did. Who did you play with? Kirby. It's Kirby main.

See, here's the thing about Kirby. Tell me. It feels a little basic at first, but then here's the thing. The thing about basic is it's because it's good. Exactly. And Kirby has an unbeatable recovery when they've been knocked away.

Yeah, exactly. That puff, puff, puff, puff, puff all the way back. It's unbeatable. It's about having the mobility. It's about having, yeah. Yes. You have a lot of options. Were you someone that when you played as Kirby,

you utilized the B feature where they could suck up and then use the the power of the other person or did you rely on other moves i tended to rely on other moves i would usually use that like if i were if you were playing like lives and let's say i had one more life than the other person i would suicide it so i'd suck you in and then i'd drop off got it yeah you would suicide it oh that's like an iconic way to do it yeah that was that would be like my finisher. And then it ends on that image of just death. Yeah, there's nothing on the screen. But you do win. Yeah.

Oh, wow, that's amazing. I used to turn into a rock a lot when I was playing with Kurt. Yeah, a little rock, a little spiny ball. And I was really, I'm a big with the A move. I'm like doing hand-to-hand combat. Yeah, yeah. But with Falco, his up and B move, the... Is that where he like zoomed?

Yeah! That thing? Unbeatable. That was really good. Yeah. I mean, I have perfect pitch for Super Smash Brothers. And that's actually really close to number 18. Matt has perfect pitch for Super Smash Brothers.

Wow. Can you give me the side peach hip bump? Can you reference it? It's the, yeah, hey. Right? Isn't that how she's like? I think it's that. Remember this?

Falcon punch. Falcon kick. Falcon kick. Oh, wow. That was good. Thank you. Thank you. I did play Captain Falcon a lot too.

Yeah. He was also good. He was so fast. Yeah. He was so fast. He moved those muscular little limbs. Really, really good. God. He was, I like he was so fast yeah he was so fast he moved those muscular little limbs really really good god he was i like hated him but i also was horny culture horny for him yeah did you ever figure out what the deal with samus was like that she was she was a woman

when i found out that samus was a woman i was like first of all slay first of all slay and i remember i said first of all slay and i was the first to ever say it. But that was really wild. And then, but like almost too advanced. Also, remember Ness? Never could figure out how to play Ness. No, I couldn't either. And I just, I don't know. He little shithead.

I didn't, I hated his vibes. Didn't like his vibes at all. Didn't know where he was from. God, yeah. Like his little hometown, but also it's just give one thing, you know? Yeah, like edit. Edit. Like it's just give one thing You know Edit He's a magic boy He looks the way he looks

It's like wear your hat normal Also ice climbers I don't think so honey And also like I don't know why did they get to be two And we all had to be one That's the thing too And now I'm confused And then you could lose one And then you were just an ice climber.

Yeah, then you were just a singular, like, una culturista. Like una culturista, like la culturista. And then I'm adrift. But one thing I'll say was I really liked the ice climbers in the Rihanna Super Bowl performance. I thought they were doing great work there. I thought they were amazing. And they're really good dancers. I didn't want to play them in Super Smash,

but I loved them as background dancers. It was a Smash Bros. platform. It was literally Super Smash Bros. podium. It was giving Pokemon Stadium level of Super Smash Bros. Rihanna, who was giving very Samus, versus a million Ice Climbers. Okay, but I would play that.

Yeah. Like in a world where they decided to stop fighting and also just dance can we get super smash divas super smash divas would be really good oh my god

like Rihanna versus Gaga versus Katy Perry versus wait this is unfortunately something I'm gonna think a lot wait

I think this can happen honestly like I was just gonna say a mean thing about what powers one of them has. But I'm not going to go there. Off mic, I'm going to.

Okay, great. Because I want to know. I'm going to tell you. Okay, so here's the deal. One thing I know we're going to hear on mic is Zane Phillips' I Don't Think So Honey. Do you have something to say? I do. Wait, can I pee first?

Oh my God, yeah. I'm like... And this is, we're going to throw out a break. Go pee. Go pee and get your head together. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that.

Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends.

How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo. Or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had.

We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger.

I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app,

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founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. And we're back. And we're back. Now that you've peed and you're totally, your bladder is empty and your mind is clear. I just know because this is going to upset some people. Holy shit. All right.

I'm not normally like a hater, but for some reason, this is the only thing that really spoke to me. Let's go. All right. This is Zane Phillips's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey soup.

I don't believe in you. I think you are too thin to be a meal. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I think I want to eat bread or cheese or meats, but instead you are a liquid. You know what's a liquid? Drinks, beverages.

Maybe if you were in a cup, we could talk. But no, I have to eat you with a spoon. You know how hard that is? I'm always dribbling it down my face. Oh my God. Right? Have you ever spilled soup? It's like it goes everywhere.

Once you spill soup, it's done. Once you spill soup, you are done. Right? Think about the soups that are actually kind of good, right? Tomato soup, only good because you get a grilled cheese with it. French onion soup, because basically the same thing. It's like a little grilled cheese on top. Chowders and stews, also

okay. But the thing is, if you're just going to give me broth, no mama! I could put actual food in the sink and put some water in it, and it's dish water! That's what soup is. Five seconds. I don't think so, honey.

Oh my God. That is one minute. I have to tell you, as one of soup's biggest fans, you came to the wrong place. I know. I know. And a lot of people would be mad.

This is going to shake the world. And also Bowen isn't here to stick up for stew. But the way you were like, you're okay about stew was also not okay. I just think when you're hungry, and let's talk too about the fact that it's

a seasonal food, right? I don't want it in the summer unless, oh, you want hot and sour soup last night. Cold soup? You want gazpacho? I don't believe in gazpacho. I don't recognize gazpacho. No, it's watered down tomato sauce. Sorry, I'm still going. I normally have one minute. Here's the thing, like, and I also am shook by you being

like, okay, here are the good soups. And then you said tomato soup. You know that you could get a really rich protein soup. I would raise you get a hearty chicken noodle. Get a fucking good ass Manhattan clam. Big old chunks of clam in there. All the good things about

soup are the things that are not the soup. It's the chicken. It's the things that are not the soup. It's the chicken. It's the things that are, I just put it in a strainer and I'm happy, but you're not a broth King. I don't like, why am I being forced to like slurp? It feels extraneous.

Okay. Can I say something though? And this is something I'm going to make it personal. You're a big boy. You require a lot. So maybe it's like you would have to eat a lot of soup to feel full. That too. That too. That too. And I,

and yeah, I think I am maybe, um, yeah, this is just really personal, I guess. I'm confronting you. Yeah,

no, you're right. Um, I just think like soup is going to fill the hole inside of you. And I've tried, I've, I've tried to pour soup into the hole. And can I say that's a really culture number 40? no soup is going to fill the hole inside of you.

No, yeah. I mean, that's also a little bit it. I just feel like soup culture was not meant for me. But what about corn chowder? Again, a chowder is okay. I'll do that because it really is just like creamed corn, you know? Wow. You know, I think I have a special connection to soup, and this is going to go back to childhood, and I'm going to reveal this. When I was little, school lunches were really hard for me. I had like a little bit of a food phobia.

It's weird, but I would only eat stuff that my mom made. Whenever I went over to my friends' houses and their moms cooked, it was always a panic moment for me. I would have like little panic attacks. Because their dishes would smell weird, right? Just like I was a very picky eater in a way that was like problematic when I got to a certain point. Like I wouldn't eat all day and then be sick when I got home.

Like it was really bad. So the way that I got comfortable eating at school because I could not eat the hot lunches, I don't know what this was. Maybe it was like an early anxiety thing or whatever. I'm certain that's what it was. But when I found that I could put soup in a thermos and then eat it at school, I could have like hot, really comforting, warm soup in a thermos. Then I started eating at school lunch. And so maybe that's why i have this affinity

for soup to this day and you can catch me any day of the week enjoying soup yeah i mean i think what it's showing is that like the only way to enjoy soup is to like have soup uh addressed trauma yeah wow i'm just i'm just throwing things out there like i think this is why we're friends because we can really challenge each other exactly have you ever had chicken tortilla soup have you ever had chicken tortilla soup let's talk about how you put the tortilla chips in the soup

it's so crazy to me that you love hot coffee and then with soup you're like no well because that's the thing here's the thing maybe if we started a full cultural revolution where we put soups more in like a beverage arena because we already drink like Bloody Marys, right? And that's, and that's essentially soup, you know?

So maybe we start. I always say a good Bloody Mary is a lunch. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So maybe. I'm always saying it. So maybe if we started calling them more like in the beverage sphere, you know, the way and some people drink like bone broth, which sure.

Oh yeah. That's like, that's diet culture though yeah yeah i mean that's i don't know maybe soup just feels like diet culture oh and that's why you're like i don't i don't know maybe that's why i like it is because i feel like i can have a full meal that is soup and no one can say you didn't eat a full meal but you're not i've also been eating really over the past three days for some reason like i've really fallen off and like ordered some shitty things for myself late at night. Like, cause I'm not going out right now. Cause I'm like saving my voice for a reason I can't reveal yet. But like, so I'm just trying to be good.

And I've been in my house and like when I'm alone at home, I order the nastiest things for myself cause no one can see me. And I'm like feeling like I need to get back to clean eating. What's nasty for you? Last night I had a whole a whole pizza okay that's not the nastiest thing either like the summer and i'm like i'm eating a pizza what are you doing for the fourth that's that was such a dark sentence um you know well listen i well i think you know pizzas are so thin um not this one it was so good it was so thick it was so much cheese. Listen, though. Get this. You know what? I say eat the pizza. Yeah. I say

eat the pizza, too. I say eat what you want. Obviously, don't let me dissuade you from eating soup. No, I won't. Can I say something? You will never dissuade me from eating soup.

And next time we join each other for a meal which happens quite frequently I'm going to eat soup in front of you. Okay. I just can't believe you're closed off to a food. You have such a palate. Let me tell you I've eaten a lot of soup in my life.

But it's just frustrating. It's so frustrating. Soup can be so frustrating. Soup is something that can never be so frustrating. Soup can be so frustrating. I'm just tired of having to deal with it. I'm tired of having it be like something that if you go over to someone's place and they're like, yeah, I made dinner and it's soup. You're just like, but what about food?

You know what though? To me it means they didn't fuck it up because you can't fuck up soup. And if you fucked up soup. Then you fucked up. Then you done fucked up a lot. Yeah. You just throw some things in a broth. And also it's like, you know, I'm a soup

lover and I usually love soup. Wow, so this episode ended up being a thinker. We talked about the state of reality. We talked about queer camaraderie. We talked about the challenging ways in which the new ways we're seeing queerness depict and challenge even the

queerest among us, those who felt we had ourselves figured out. It was giving NPR. Yeah. It was giving NPR. I mean, like, and I just want to say

that I don't think soup is Terry Gross. I think it's Terry Good. And with that comedic gem, I say we do end every episode with a song.

Thank you so much for being here. Oh my God. No, thank you for having me. Truly, what a delight. I mean, a true reader. A true... In that he actually reads books. And things that are not books.

And things that are not books. I read whatever I can. Like oral podcasts. Yes. Oral podcasts. Don't mind if I do. Sometimes I run. Sometimes I hide.

Sometimes I'm scared of you. But all I really want is to hold you tight. Wow, us bravely giving the Britney version. I know. I mean, it was you, and I'm just support. Was I allowed to sing? Please, that means it's the fighting culture. Here's the Moona version.

Sometimes I run. Sometimes I hide. Sometimes I hide. Sometimes I'm scared of you. No bridge. But all I really want is to hold you tight. I love they did no bridge. Treat you right.

Sleep with you day and night. Baby, all I need is time. Wow. The bassoon came out. I saw, you know. Period. Bye. This time. Wow. The bassoon came out. I saw, you know. Period. Bye.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer.

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tariqa Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the

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