Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Matt and Bowen Get Too High"

Episode Date: October 21, 2020

What happened was, Matt and Bowen said "let's smoke on this episode" and then they forgot they were on a podcast and turned into soup. Learn about how Bowen angered the province of Quebec, how Matt w...as "the best bunter in the town of Babylon", how it feels to be so publicly gay in comedy, and listen as the Matt vs. Bowen on a plane to Chicago conflict is finally resolved. Also, a sketch Matt wrote from 2014 is read live, Bowen recalls a time he went off on two racist French Canadians at the age of seven. Somehow, the two find a way to touch on what, arguably, are their favorite LC topics (Tayla Swiff and porn) and, shockingly, an I Don't Think So Honey is performed mid-episode because one of our hosts can't hold it in. Welp! We hope you enjoy. Tickle, tickle! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:09 Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Las Culturistas calling. I have to tell you something I just did that was really too good and too on brand. I've been talking to you for the last few minutes and I didn't, what were you about to do? I'm saving it for this. I just gave myself a ridiculous paper cut opening up a package and the package is a gumball machine. When did you order this? When you were stoned? I'm not doing great. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Yeah, I guess the other day I was like really high in the way that I've been dealing with my stress lately. This online shopping. So I bought a gumball machine for the apartment. Okay. Because I had never seen anyone with one before. I thought it was like a cute fun thing. Oh my god. This tells a whole story.
Starting point is 00:03:02 I have to go get gumballs now. It really does. I mean, just go. Don't put gumballs now it really does i mean just don't put gumballs in it put something else in it like what bitch put little like um condoms little condoms why not put in there if not gumballs you'll you'll think of it but just i think you might as well make a decision around what you put in there and you might as well subvert the expectation that there would be gumballs in it you know you know i was thinking about it i guess you could put like skittles or m&ms in there but that just gives me that gumball flavor
Starting point is 00:03:33 no candy what would go in something that's disposed that disposes but like it's something different it's and it's not even edible well you are being exactly no help not even edible maybe a little i'm looking around my apartment like i'll inspire you looking for tchotchkes and knickknacks that i can put in my big ball honestly put put like buy a bunch of joints spend like a few hundred on joints and then put your joints in there what that's who do you think i am ma'am ma'am ma'am excuse me ma'am who do you think i am ma'am madam it's full circle you bought it when you were high and then you might as well just like have that be the regulatory thing but it's also a it's also a decorative accessory it's it's everything i'm sort of
Starting point is 00:04:15 flirting with getting high on the episode today what's the highest you've been for one of our recordings i remember when i was i don't think i've I don't recall a time that I've been high for this should we do it never I don't think so I just bought these new bowls let's just do it but okay fine
Starting point is 00:04:31 we're gonna get stoned during the recording I was really high for the Carly Ann Philbin episode too and I was late that day and you were mad so that was the era
Starting point is 00:04:38 when we would go to like Borham Hill like by literally right down the street from you down the street from me and that was i do remember that being a time in your life when you were non-stop smoking yeah well that was like that was kind of
Starting point is 00:04:52 a dark period do you ever miss that era of like living in that area i kind of feel like that was an iconic apartment for you you know how like some some like you have your apartment now but in your past like you have like an iconic apartment that will forever be you. The apartment I'm in now is not iconic. I'm sorry to say. It's really not. Like, I feel like it's like, I feel like you will not be there for as long as you were in that old apartment. No, I was, I was meant to leave. First of all, there's just some dark shit happening in this building. Not even in this building, on my floor, on my corner of the floor. into this because when i was there one time there was an energy it's a bummer it's just a bummer because the the people across from me
Starting point is 00:05:31 they're this hetero couple already suspect already suspect already sus sis it's already across the hall hetero couple i would say they're mid 40s i'm sure they can hear every word of this because the walls are so thin which leads me to sort of the story which is the narrative which is first of all like all i've been here like a year and like three months and change oh my god wow throughout their entire time they've like hosted these like i would imagine like the energy feels very coked out like they just invite sure it has a weird swingers vibe too which i'm not like poo-pooing it's just like that's the energy but like they bring in like at least like three other couples i'd say that's sus once a week or once every other week sus sis
Starting point is 00:06:17 but it's very sus so then they'll have they'll have these parties and then what was especially sort of despicable was even into march april may May, June, July, August, September, October of 2020. The danger months. They've been doing this all pandemic. Ugh. Having people over. And I'm just like, what the fuck? Do you think it could be the same people again and again?
Starting point is 00:06:39 Like this is truly their pod? Maybe. Sure. Sure. It's fine. But all I'm saying is even in March and april i was like don't do that don't do that i would say well it doesn't i mean doesn't it doesn't matter now i'm sure they're all healthy or whatever and um just as long as you don't start hearing hacking coughs
Starting point is 00:06:56 well there's so there's this aspect of it and they've never they've never like said hi said hi to me in the halls i mean I think the male has like made eye contact with me and like grinned very sort of haphazardly he's sus I don't scowl at people
Starting point is 00:07:17 I like scowled at him you kind of give him this exactly one of those like raised eyebrow like bigger grin than usual like hi yeah i see you thanks so that's so that's one side of it the other side of it is so that's on fridays and saturdays on on any given week the big big time big time party days of the week fridays and saturdays famously it's a rule of culture big time party days of the week are friday and saturday what rule of
Starting point is 00:07:46 culture is that again 10 oh um i i and and so then sunday monday basically any other day that's not friday and saturday which are big time party days um and this is when it gets dark okay the most vitriolic toxic hateful shouting matches yeah yeah from the same apartment from that same apartment from this couple oh no they've said things to each other that i don't i couldn't i tried repeating them to someone at work when i was like telling the story i can't even like think about i can't even recall what they say because it's so shockingly terrible what they say oh my god there's nothing worse than like hearing fights happen yeah i can't i can't imagine like you're essentially following a narrative yeah and i i kind of tense up and then
Starting point is 00:08:36 oh my god two weeks ago it just got really bad and i heard things bang against the wall oh no and then truly truly did not know what to do and then heard heard bang against the wall. Oh, no. And then truly, truly did not know what to do. And then heard shit like the woman saying, like, I can't even, this is so, being like, how the fuck could you throw that at me? Like that kind of thing. Oh, my God. I blew out the mic. The acting performance you just gave can only be given by someone who had witnessed. Sure.
Starting point is 00:09:04 That is crazy. That is, now I'm not even just saying it's sus it's fully sus it's fully sus it's awful but if you're a sister sus i've been saying that for years it's our rule of culture you have been saying that for years we don't look at your number 29 29 if you're a sis you're sus and that's been saying that for years so stop stop it this is heavy this is heavy you are stuck I don't know what the fuck to do still but then that night I did go down to my door person
Starting point is 00:09:33 and I was like Abby she's great she's awesome Abby's my favorite I was like Abby I don't know what to do about this situation because I don't involve the cops but I basically told her I was like this people across from me in this unit. And I've called down to them before and been like,
Starting point is 00:09:48 Hey, just letting you know, they're never going to do anything. They can't. And of course, and like, they're not like equipped to do anything about it really. But then,
Starting point is 00:09:56 but that Abby was very helpful. She was like, I can put in a note to the management company of the building. They always are putting in notes. It doesn't do shit. Remember the toe? Remember the toe? Do you remember when I lived in that apartment in South Brooklyn? Oh, yes.
Starting point is 00:10:07 The toe. And the guy downstairs whose face looked like a toe? So you have to tell the readers about the toe while I get my vape pen. Go. Okay, so I've hit my bowl. So this is just me and you readers because Bowen has left the frame. So I'm just telling you guys. So basically when I was living in South Brooklyn,
Starting point is 00:10:24 the first time, the first apartment I was in there, we were on the second floor, great apartment. It was me, Sudi, Amanda Schechtman, Dave Mazzoni, some combination of that. So we were all living together and we were just in our apartment one day in the living room and we get this hateful knock on the door. And I opened the door to sort of reveal a gentleman who I can only describe his face as looking like that of a human toe. This obviously took me back. This was enough to take me back in the beginning. And so my eyes were very much open at this point, and I opened my ears to hear him say that we were stomping, stomping in the living room,
Starting point is 00:11:06 and that he lived below us, and that we had to stop stomping and having a party there were four people that live there there were four people maybe three in the living room and we were simply walking across you know the living room floor etc not stomping doing nothing so he really were like okay we're so sorry were you dancing though no never and you know that first of all that apartment was like footloose no dancing just kidding right we just were not dancing at that time and i'm not really someone who like stomps around my apartment like i'm definitely a pacer but it was no stomping going on so he leaves i tell everyone like i guess we need to be more careful because that guy was said we were stomping we were all just you know perplexed so cut to several months of this happening he physically threatened us with
Starting point is 00:11:51 violence one time amanda's amanda's boyfriend at the time matt was threatened with physical violence by him being like if you don't stop i'm gonna stop it and he literally said like he said something along the lines of like i don't want this to come to physical blows, but it might. And we were like, are you kidding? I'm telling you Bowen, the toe was on one.
Starting point is 00:12:13 That's a proper word for title of episode. The toe was on one. And sis is sus. And I have to say this. He then put his own surveillance camera in the hallway so that he could see who was coming in and out of our apartment the camera was pointed at the door i was like this this can't be so i go to call my landlord who's a 90 year old greek man he's dead the landlord died you found out he died
Starting point is 00:12:40 when you called we found out he was dead because the the daughter the daughter picked up the phone i kid you not so the i say well i'm so sorry for your loss someone does have to deal with this she was like we can't deal with it for like a month i was like okay yes take the time you need meanwhile it gets worse and worse the environment between me and the toe is getting so thick amanda is in hysterics like sudi could not handle it. I remember Sudi and Amanda being very perturbed. This was what, circa 2014? Dave was being very Dave about it. Like, he actually moved out. He had had it.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Right, right. So he moves out. I'm there with Sudi and Amanda. And we had someone just like subletting that Dave apartment. And I'm telling you, it got to the point where we had to leave because the landlord said, there's been too many complaints. I'm raising your rent in this way that only a landlord could make sense of. Wait, the landlord raised the rent?
Starting point is 00:13:34 He was complaining about us. Toe was complaining to the landlord. The daughter? The toe was complaining to the daughter of the landlord who, let me tell you something, she might have been born into this dynasty, but she was not appropriate for the role of landlord okay she was more more like a dummy this so this so her name was christina i'll never forget and she called and i basically had to beg her to not raise the rent telling her this was unjust unfair she was kicking us out of our homes and we were all being good tenants and he was just insane he like legally i didn't think he
Starting point is 00:14:05 was in his rights to surveil our apartment these readers all my lawyer readers tell me if this is like if i'm off base here but it felt insane and she was like you guys have to get kicked out of the apartment she's she goes like you guys are gone and i'll never i was so mean to her i hung up the phone and i said tell me this has been a horrible apartment to live in. You're a horrible landlord. And I hung up the phone on her. And I just heard her go, oh. Like she was taken aback.
Starting point is 00:14:32 And I was so, I couldn't believe I had to an adult. And I'm 23 at the time, 22. I got so upset because it was so unfair. And that was my first experience with injustice. I'm just kidding. But it was an unjust moment.
Starting point is 00:14:52 Yeah. Yeah, it wasn't great. I kind of immediately regret smoking because I'm like, oh, fuck, I kind of have to work. No, you don't. I say you don't. Can I say something? You don't have to work this week
Starting point is 00:15:03 because you did such an amazing job last week. Karuna, I'm so proud of you. Thank you. Wait, before we talk about this, I just want to close the loop on my situation, which... Oh, sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Just really quick.
Starting point is 00:15:17 So, I mean, something got sent to the management company. Who knows what will happen? But then I also went on Nextdoor and posted a whole thing where I was like, what? Oh, you're Christina. All of a sudden,
Starting point is 00:15:30 Oh, is that where you can anonymously blast people? You live next to? Well, that's what people do. And it's not anonymous. Like your name is on it, but people,
Starting point is 00:15:36 it's just people in the neighborhood, like talking shit. It's, and a lot of it in my area, unfortunately is, is like, make sure you lock your car doors. Like there's, there's Like there's suspicious activity going.
Starting point is 00:15:48 I mean, that's how Nextdoor is in a lot of neighborhoods across the country. Okay. And so did you kind of take to the website seeing if someone was having an experience like yours? I said, what should I do from people who might be experienced in this? So I was, I was, I was looking for, I hadn't explicitly asked, but I was kind of reaching out to the social workers and to the,
Starting point is 00:16:11 to the people who. To the professionals. To the professionals. Did you get any, anything, anything back? Well, it's,
Starting point is 00:16:17 it was so many split things. Oh, see, they're all fools. Some people being like, you have to call the police. That's the only way this gets resolved. And then other people being like, no, that doesn't solve anything.
Starting point is 00:16:29 That actually creates a tenser situation for the people. And then other people being like, I'm a survivor of abuse and nothing changed for me until someone called the police. Yeah, that's a tough one. It's so hard. There's no right answer. You don't want to assume that I think something needs to be done. What are you going to do?
Starting point is 00:16:47 Go over there yourself and knock? At a certain point, I was thinking that maybe while you were talking, I was like, I think that someone needs to make them aware of the fact that... It's all being... I don't know. This is a tough one. Well, I... You should probably call the police. No, because...
Starting point is 00:17:06 There are domestic abuse hotlines that I can call into, but see, what all of these experts are saying and social workers were saying on Nextdoor was something along the lines of you kind of have to catch one of them, you kind of have to confront one of them you kind of have to confront one of them individually and be like hey if you need help let me know but then it's like i am concerned for them on a
Starting point is 00:17:34 baseline level but i also despise i don't want anyone to get hurt but it's like i don't want to i i have not been put in the position to like well well, no, I'm not saying that like, I would not like step in because they're despicable people. Because they broke quarantine rules. You are willing to let them devolve. No, I mean, first of all,
Starting point is 00:17:55 it does not, it does not fall on me individually to be like, hi, I'm going to solve this. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:18:02 I, I, I think, I think that what seems to be not happening is that no one is willing to be like, this is an unusual situation and we all live in this environment and it's becoming toxic for everyone,
Starting point is 00:18:16 not just you. So what's going on? And I think that maybe- But I do not want to deal with the sort of- Oh, you shouldn't have to deal with it. The middle-aged cocaine hetero energy of these people. And I'm going to guess white? Yes, yes. Right.
Starting point is 00:18:32 So, great. So, the thing is, I think that it needs to be made more explicitly known to the people who are running your building what exactly is happening. And also, have you thought of going to other neighbors and being like are you having this experience yeah but my my neighbor's next to me and i have a tense relationship because i like because i've literally like played especially during the the snl at home episodes when i was shooting stuff like they like knocked on my door and like complained about the noise and i'm like i'm sorry i like the walls are paper thin here. I fucking hate this. I hate that. Oh my God. That's every New York apartment though.
Starting point is 00:19:07 Hello. The, the, the, apparently the floor in that apartment that I was just talking about was made of paper. Apparently. Cause that toe was inflamed. That was what I was thinking too. Like, I'll just like go over to them and be like, hi, if you guys were hearing this, like, let's figure out something we can do.
Starting point is 00:19:21 But anyway, since that big blowout where things were thrown, there hasn't been some, anything quite as, quite as violent as that apparently, but they've, the parties have continued. So, but anyway,
Starting point is 00:19:33 I'm proud of you for how you did on the show, despite the fact that you're very disrespectful. To, to the Quebecers. I feel that the accent that you did, the way you were behaving, the buffoonery, the sort of sketch comedy acting you were doing was very disrespectful
Starting point is 00:19:50 to everyone that lives in the province of Quebec. You know, sketch comedy is dangerous. It's supposed to be subtle and it's supposed to be really pared back and always accurate and
Starting point is 00:20:08 there's supposed to be completely it's it's there's real grounded realism i want to see more mary louise parker on snl the most grounded actress we can think of she's very grounded no who's the most grounded i'll tell you who's the most grounded christian stewart because she's not doing anything anyway uh girl um no but we love hashtag hashtag anyway uh maybe that's a rule of culture i'll tell you who's the most grounded actress christian stewart because she's not doing anything that's rule of culture number 59. Of course, Bowen's not going to say it because he is, of course, DNC SNL.
Starting point is 00:20:48 And I, of course, I, of course, I'm out here. You're a DSA girl. I'm a DSA hot dog. No one owns me. No corporate entity. I am owned by no conglomerate. Okay, bitch. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Right. What were we going to say? I was saying, was there really any blowback from the province of Quebec? Yes. What? I got...
Starting point is 00:21:15 For people who don't know, Bowen did a very funny... Explain the sketch. We did a Canadian news, a French Canadian news show called Bonjour High, which I didn't realize until after the sketch aired Canadian news, a French-Canadian news show called Bonjour High, which I didn't realize until
Starting point is 00:21:25 after the sketch aired that there is such a cultural controversy around saying Bonjour High in Quebec, that there is a small movement there to codify into law that it would be illegal to say Bonjour High
Starting point is 00:21:42 and that anyone who says Bonjour High will be fined or something. Wait, why? i have to ask one huge question which is why so bonjour hi it's like meant to sort of like be a both in english and a french greeting i understand no matter who you're sitting no matter who you're talking to in montreal or in Quebec. Why this is happening is because Quebec has this really fetishistic love and memory for when they were owned by the French is the most simplistic way I can put it. The license plate, c'est j'aime souvent, which is I remember, and that's saying it refers to when they, it's like, I remember when we were French. So they wish to be French.
Starting point is 00:22:23 They wish to be French, really. At the core of, like, Quebecois cultural identity is this, like, it's differentiated enough to not be French culture. And I think there's, like, French-Canadian pride and French-Canadian culture
Starting point is 00:22:35 being what it is and it being distinct. But I feel like that's what this is rooted in. So, bonjour, hi. This is a sort of watering down of their rich culture. they feel it's like saying
Starting point is 00:22:48 happy holidays it's like a happy holiday situation right it's like can i get more ketchup for my french fries please exactly i understand so it's like it's cheapening what is what they feel is a rich um origin culture right yes yes so there's a sort of movement to sort of extract the high from it and potentially make this punishable. Yeah, it's like... By law. I don't know if it's technically nationalism, but it is like, I don't know, it doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:23:19 It's secessionism for sure. There is this like undercurrent of like a secessionist like right okay gotcha part of look growing up in montreal was lovely and i really enjoy going there now but now you can no longer no i can no longer no i was gonna say that also growing up in montreal was it's one of the sort of more inflammatorily racist places to be, I would say. Right. Like the kind of racism I experienced. And now we said it.
Starting point is 00:23:50 And now we said it. I'm Camille Grammer. And now we said it. No, no, no. This is something that people, I think, are willing to talk about and have talked about for a long time. But my personal experience with it is that the shit that we got in Canada,
Starting point is 00:24:03 in Montreal specifically, in Quebec specifically, was like maybe if i could quantify it like four times worse than what we got in denver whereas like you move into the u.s moving to the u.s like towards asian people like the the racism is more buried under a lot of other stuff um but quebec people are like very direct, very sort of just like efficiently spoken people. So they'll just like, one of the most traumatic memories I have is being like seven years old, six years old. And we just came from a dentist's appointment. Me and my sister, like the whole family went. My parents, my sister, and I went to this dentist's appointment. And then on the drive home, we pull up to a stoplight
Starting point is 00:24:46 and then the car to the right of us I'm sitting on the right side in the back the car to the right of us pulls up it's these two like Anaïs, Geneviève, Giroux whatever the fuck like French Canadian ass girls and I mean that in like
Starting point is 00:24:57 I'm there I have to say you say that name and you say that I have to tell you I'm there I get it I 100% get it Her The 100 get her her the anaises
Starting point is 00:25:06 yeah anaises but like they're like what are the long island equivalents do you know what i'm saying like amanda's amanda's their name their names are both amanda amanda t and amanda s amanda tucker and amanda simmons and that's what their lacrosse coach calls them tucker and oh my god tucker and simmons you too you too you too hey simmons the only way i got i gotta say the last name it's the only way you can tell them apart they're always together we have to wait hold on okay we'll finish this but put a pin in this the real housewives of salt lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.
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Starting point is 00:26:06 stream it on City TV+. I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K. and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown.
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Starting point is 00:28:22 back their eyes, sticking their heads out of the car, pulling back their eyes, sticking their heads out of the car, pulling back their eyes, like waving their fucking faces in front of us. And my mom, and like Kathy Park Hong writes about this in her book, Minor Feelings in Asian American Reckoning. Everyone should read it, even if you're not Asian. And this just applies to all, I think,
Starting point is 00:28:38 non-white people, perhaps, is that being a child of color, or being just a person of color, is to see your parents be humiliated. Oh, of color is to see your parents be humiliated. Oh yeah. Is to see your parents be humiliated. And this was a, this was a,
Starting point is 00:28:50 this was like a moment of that, that I so vividly remember. And so, so then, so these girls pulled their eyes back. My mom flips out and starts to like curse at them and is just like, like giving them the finger. She's,
Starting point is 00:29:04 I've never seen her this upset at a stranger before and then i just got so mad too that i'm like me this seven-year-old rolls down my window and i start giving them like the double bird too i love thinking of you like this i have to say this is one of my favorite things is like thinking of young indignant upset bowen it's so fun it's always been in me i know i know that like more that like higher high ground that you know you oh what when i have see i don't get like that i don't have a strong opinion either way about something unless i know your sense of justice is intact yes thank you your sense of justice you're not morally superior your sense of justice
Starting point is 00:29:47 is intact and it's a leading principle for you it's a leading principle organizing even so i hello so then so then and then and then i remember flipping them off and then they both laugh like they were both kind of shocked no no no no they were it wasn't like a haha it was like oh my god that kid it was like i shocked them in a way that i that was actually very satisfying for me because i'm like oh like what like they didn't expect a kid like like the kid in the back to do this at them these are these like two fucking like curdled ass teenage girls like giving me this like whatever so i was just i was just like able to give that energy back in some way i mean there's nothing there's no equivalent thing you can say to these people and by these people I mean white
Starting point is 00:30:28 Quebecois but anyway do you think that those Anaises are the two people are amongst the people complaining about your performance I'm sure that kind of person yes but then meanwhile we named Kate's character Anne-Marie after my next door neighbor Anne-Marie Léger
Starting point is 00:30:44 and they were such a lovely family. The Léger's were so lovely and so nice. And now I just got a DM from her. She's like, oh my God. She's like a lead, like she's like a lead developer at Shopify and like in Toronto, I think. And she's like, and she's posting all these cute, like she, she loves to travel to her Asian countries. I love that. Oh.
Starting point is 00:31:01 Anne-Marie and I were reconnecting and um that was really nice but um anyway yes the analysis and the genie there's the genvieve's are the are amongst the people so there's a small group of people who are like what the fuck was that that was terrible there's some people who are like it wasn't funny but who cares if it's accurate and this is me being like no like it was funny it was funny it killed a table two weeks in a row yeah i loved it i really liked it this is and this is a whole different thing we can get into but therapy is so funny in it too isa was so funny oh my god isa can we talk about isa also just when she said at the beginning i'm the first black woman to host snl and they thought she was like y'all are scared that is not true that was was so funny. That was such a funny joke.
Starting point is 00:31:46 She is so good. She was so good at the show. I know. And also she is so fucking gorgeous. Oh my God. Stunning, but also like truly so funny and like insecure. I'm just like, what a gorgeous, like. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:03 What a gorgeous like thing that like she's made and like that's like given us so much like comfort I don't know I find it too I approach Insecure as a very comfortable show Issa is an artist a true artist to me she is like an artist because she like she feels like like she's it feels simultaneously like she's curating something that means something but also she's following the fun for her. Yes. Like she truly is doing both those things at the same time where it's insecure is so much fun. And like, you really feel you get to know the characters.
Starting point is 00:32:33 And also it's just, it feels like there's so much like being discussed in it. That's, that's worth it. Like, so it's, it's both. I love it. I love it. I love it so much. she was fantastic all week i really i like let her know too i like a good night so like i mean like i kept my cool i generally just like don't really remark on anything throughout the week but with her i with her i genuinely felt
Starting point is 00:32:58 like wow wow wow this is crazy yeah i love you very cool so good so good nights for dress i went up to we like we had a moment where we were like hi and then i just like let out let out really quickly i was just like is this i don't is this gross for me for me to share i was just like i've just been obsessed with you for years and i just i'm so glad that you're here and i'm so glad that this is happening and she was like she was like bowen stop like she was being really sweet. That's what I always say. Bowen, stop. I always say stop. That is a very mad thing. In my eyes, you know I want it to continue.
Starting point is 00:33:32 Stop. Stop. I said stop. Bowen, stop right now. If you don't stop, I'm going to get mad. Stop. Stop.
Starting point is 00:33:46 Seductress. Stop it now. No! You better stop. And then the rest of the Quebecers are people who are like, it's unremarkable. Who cares? We don't care.
Starting point is 00:33:58 And then there's a fun little segment of the population that's like, oh, that was very stupid and silly. And they got it. And they get it. There's no huge actual blowback well i fucking got it but the montreal gazette which is like which used to be the main newspaper there i think now it's i don't know what the deal is now now maybe it's a different gazette well some opinion writer like just railed on it and i was like oh you just oh god who cares literally it's like what is their sense of humor they put on the huge pants and a big dumb head and they like poop in the street
Starting point is 00:34:26 and that's a whole festival. You better be careful. Don't, don't. You better be careful. Montreal people better not drag my friend for sense of humor, okay? Because I've seen you like flip a sausage in the air and then do a split.
Starting point is 00:34:38 And then it was like an hour long show that people paid for. So, okay. Fucking clowns, literally. Stop, stop it. that's my ever i grew up there um you know what bowen i grew up i grew up too i grew up too wait well i thought the sketch was fucking great thank you but i this is this is what I want to say we all should maybe fucking re-evaluate what we want out of
Starting point is 00:35:08 sketch comedy I guess I don't know it's like no one it was a few people it's not even that it's just any but like truly it's a thing where like the commentary on comedy
Starting point is 00:35:23 I think is busted right now I have to tell you i think we are over editorializing so fucking much it's crazy like i get that everyone's bored and i get that it's some people's job to like sort of watch what's happening in the culture obviously here we are but um yeah to me it's just like i it's because, and maybe this is going to be a little bit of a drag on all parties, but the importance that was put on SNL in the 2008 election, I think was in retrospect too much. I think it was like 2008 or 2007. 2008.
Starting point is 00:36:00 2008, I'm talking about with like the way it impacted the election of it all. I think there's such a bloated sense of both importance and expectation that it feels sometimes like I was going to ask you actually what it feels like working there. And obviously you have some experience with the Andrew Yang of it all of like when they look to you for some sort of like comment and the pressure to deliver that comment in some groundbreaking way. Does that make sense? Yeah. Yeah. Like, what is that? What is that like? What is that? What temperature wise?
Starting point is 00:36:33 What does that feel like? I can only speak to it personally because I was never involved in like any internal conversation around like, what's the goal with like, it was just really bizarre to be in those sketches, do my bad impression of him. I hate when you're saying that. Because this is the thing, I'm not an impressionist. That is like an actual like developed skill. Yeah, but what you were doing was not a bad impression. And this is literally what I'm talking about. Is that everyone's turning their eyes to it and needing it to be a historical document
Starting point is 00:37:06 or the funniest thing in the world and it's hard to be both and so it's just like I saw the way you internalize that and I'm like bitch anyone else doing an Andrew Yang on the street would never get this like I just didn't get it at all but meanwhile like after
Starting point is 00:37:22 any time I would go up and do it like these were the darkest days of twitter for me like yang gang people god bless them would like flood my fucking mentions and be like you suck this person should play andreang instead get that person to play andreang instead the assuming that they know how it works really says a lot about the yang gang but continue no no no well it was just this thing first of all and also just the the the grand point on all this is that andrew yang has never been anything but like extremely kind and nice to me and like has like reached out like and has been
Starting point is 00:37:57 just a great guy but the way but you're right it's like the expectation, the expectation of what happens at the show is so wildly like either over underestimated by like a viewing public. So I feel it's because people genuinely who don't know shit actually think that Tina Fey, Sarah Palin, like changed people's minds in the 2008 election. I honestly think there's people out there that think like that. I really do.
Starting point is 00:38:28 And maybe it's a little bit like legacy leaning into it, but there is this sort of thing where I feel like there's this expectation around the show at this time that's both unfair and never going to be met. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:38:44 I feel like 2016 was like it seemed to align with what was happening like between like kate being hillary that being yeah the show seemed to really take a side because there was a correct side and there was a wrong side and i appreciated that about it i always do as at least it's taking a side. You know what I mean? But with the Andrew thing, with the Andrew Yang thing, it's like, I had that layer, and then I had the layer of, you're not writing his jokes well, as if I'm the one who is like...
Starting point is 00:39:15 Writing the jokes, yeah, exactly. And that's not to throw the actual writers under the bus, but I was pitching two or three things for each of the two lines that I would have in those debate sketches. And then it was like, wow, you suck. And like, you're the reason why MSNBC is planning against Andrew Yang to cut his time in the debates. And that is somehow your thing. So I was somehow complicit in that.
Starting point is 00:39:39 And then it was this thing where like, you know, I was purposely throwing the impression or something. And then. Oh, my God. That is such a walk. But my thing is like, wait, I'm up there with Larry David, Kate, like Dratch, Maya, Fred Armisen. Like, I'm not going to get, they're going to cut to me twice no matter what right there's like 12 other legends on this stage yeah and i just started this fucking job like a month ago yeah so i just think it sucks that this is what you just said is not the number one narrative around that experience
Starting point is 00:40:20 for you that's i think what sucks and that is the that is the social media fucking devil and it's the public needing something that they're never going to get by just demanding more you know what i mean i don't know i don't even really know what my take is on this i'm just kind of dumbstruck by it like to hear that people were upset about the montreal sketch i'm like y'all we are commenting too much too much this is the point i'm trying to make about the commentary on comedy and maybe even so but specifically the commenting around snl is that it's like hmm well this was a this was a bad week and it seems like they're just sort of dusting off the cobwebs because the quarantine shows were blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:41:08 It's like there is- Like it's news. Like it's news how SNL did that week. But it's this thing where it's like the sort of, and this is something that I'm trying to disengage from, but I'll lightly follow the sort of commentary timeline of the night from the night before on a Sunday. A lot of people commenting will be like,
Starting point is 00:41:29 God, who let this pitch pass? And like, really, this made it past the table and blah, blah. It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You think that something, that a funny idea executed no matter how many times or how few times will always stick the landing whenever it makes it to air no yeah the sort of deciding factor is always the audience and what happened this week was the air audience was fucking dead yeah and that's just what happens and that's not that's not like i'm not faulting them i'm just saying this is just what happens sometimes and it's and they're all wearing
Starting point is 00:42:04 masks and there's a fucking pandemic and they're indoors and who knows what they don't know what the ventilation system is so maybe it's weird it's like it's just weird to begin with yes yeah anyway anyway but i just know this is what i'm saying we should we should just figure out maybe recalibrate what we want to get out of a sketch at all where it's like we're not we're not trying to impart these unexcavated truths to you sometimes it's just so we can do a fucking silly voice i know and build build like a new show sketch around like ultimately like if someone had to put on a wig to do it you can't take it seriously and that's a rule of culture it's real culture number 64 if someone put a wig on to do it you can't take it seriously
Starting point is 00:42:46 which excludes Nicole Kidman from Big Little Lies because she did not wear a wig you must take that no she did wear come on mama she was wearing a wig on wig she is a liar we need to get Nicole on the pod
Starting point is 00:43:01 because I'm going to sit her down there hearing the zoom and say bitch you didn't wear a wig and big little eyes and she'd be like no of course I did that's my Australian accent see put me on SNL
Starting point is 00:43:14 no one will even watch the sketch it's only so bad oh my god no we have to do the Adele impression again I'm obsessed with the Adele impression I love you I think you're so funny you always hold me laughing
Starting point is 00:43:24 I feel like Adele's going to go up to Bow think you're so funny. You always hold me laughing. I feel like Adele's going to go up to Bowen and say, sorry, Doug, engineer, I'm going to blow it up because I am me. Okay, this is what Adele's going to say to Bowen. Oh my God, I love you. You always have me laughing. You have me laughing this one.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Oh my God, that one sketch you did last week. So funny. Hi, I'm Adele. I'm hosting SNL this week with musical guest, Her she her i can't i can't do i can't do copying as well why didn't you let me be do my impression of her oh my god okay well let's start over i'll start over hi i'm adele i'm hosting snl this week with musical guest her that's your name right her yes and that was a very see and that's a very
Starting point is 00:44:07 responsible impression it has to be like oh my there's there's i just want to say just this is the last thing i'll say about the entry but there's one guy i and he seems lovely and he actually he he wants to always make it clear to me and that he just he cares for me he wants me to do better but he's been saying this for over a year now he goes he i'm sure he'd be so fun to meet in person oh yeah i bet he looks cool um he we're so stoned he um he'll always say if if you just spend a couple of minutes watching his interviews and studying his mannerisms, maybe you'll get it. And I'm like, oh God. Um, you don't like, I'm like, don't, don't worry about it.
Starting point is 00:44:53 Don't, you don't have to give me process notes, babe. Okay. Yeah. Oh my God. Um, anyway. Wait, I wanted to tell you, um, right before we, we got on here, I watched the Blackpig documentary. I started it. And what you were talking about, re-racism
Starting point is 00:45:10 in Quebec. Oh, Australia, New Zealand. Yeah, it made me think of what those girls must have gone through in Australia and New Zealand. I forget. I was thinking actually about Summer Heights High. And how... And just Chris Lilly's work in general.
Starting point is 00:45:26 Yeah. Like there's a lot of racist stuff towards Asians. A lot. Yeah. As far as hilarious as he is, like he did some, and I'm sure he would call himself equal opportunity, but no,
Starting point is 00:45:38 it was like explicitly anti-Asian. And I think he would say he was making fun of racist people, but the young man was in yellow face and like really laying it on thick um he kind of got like actually canceled over the summer didn't he yeah so I mean listen if there was going to be a cancel spree he was going to be on the list right and let's not leave out the blackface um oh no i'm just saying like i was thinking about it because that show so explicitly like displays a racism towards asian people i'm just saying i learned from you and joel that australia
Starting point is 00:46:18 actually is extremely racist yes which i did not know and then when i saw that she was from there i thought oh she probably has got like right whole life's full of experiences with racism it's um it's it's the kind of like there's an anti-immigration sentiment there around like towards asian people where it's like um they're taking our jobs that kind of thing with the chris lilly of it all it's like it doesn't even fall completely on him he's just an example of this culture this comedy culture that or a sensibility that makes it like tolerable to like actually be like explicitly anti-asian and actually it's like shit that like even like you know and i'm i'm comfortable saying this that even like your sarah silverman's haven't really owned up to exactly you know you know what i'm saying and
Starting point is 00:47:03 as and as wonderful as sarah is and i mean she's like one of my fucking heroes but like of course anytime you'd watch jesus's magic anytime i would watch jesus's magic and she like went on and on about she's not afraid to say chink it's because she's not afraid of asian people it's like oh like that like watching that developing into like a comedic voice for me i was just like a lot of fucking sucks but you just have to swallow that and move forward that is the culture that like allows for that shit to happen um but anyway as wonderful as sarah is and it's like you know she's on the right side of things now and she like is consciously like being sort of just but i would hope that someday she owns that addresses that has she not i don't think she ever has well yeah Anyway. You know, and it's like we've seen people get really right through the coals over tweets that say that very same thing.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Yes, exactly. Anyway. I was watching the documentary and that part came up. And so I remembered when you guys told me that it was so different. Or not different, but so much more blatant in Australia. Right, right. And that's the thing too like I think back on my like my parents being there and like they experienced that firsthand
Starting point is 00:48:12 I never had to I don't think my sister remembers um that much of it so I feel like my parents have just like gone to these places that like in some way like didn't want them right which is very weird and unsettling it's it's that thing too of like when you watch your parent have to deal with that and another thing that bucks in your brain is that your parents are the safest most controlled smartest people that could handle any situation you just have to look to them so to look to them as a child and watch them get upset it made you get upset you know what i mean like and that that is something that is formative so it is sort of you know you had a response to that absolutely the real housewives of new york city are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is.
Starting point is 00:49:07 Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Hancock. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You've told her? Not today, Satan.
Starting point is 00:49:20 Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City, all new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K. and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me?
Starting point is 00:49:54 Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:50:30 Hey everybody, it's Matt Rogers. Back when I was a server, I was one bad day away from a huge personal crisis. Thankfully, Giving Kitchen is here to serve those that serve us. Giving Kitchen is a non-profit helping any food service worker who gets hurt, gets sick, loses a family member or their housing. That's giving relief. So when you or someone you know is in crisis, tell them to ask for help from Giving Kitchen by visiting givingkitchen.org slash help. That's givingkitchen.org slash H-E-L-P. Together, we are giving kitchen.
Starting point is 00:51:05 We help food service workers. Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Each week, we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them. Questions like, how do you survive the Bermuda Triangle? How do you find a date inside the Bermuda Triangle? We can't help you, but we will find someone who can. Listen to the How to Do Everything podcast on iHeartRadio.
Starting point is 00:51:37 I want to talk about, this is the Amanda culture of it all. Oh, okay. We're revisiting. But when you were doing your impression, your very well-researched impression of a lacrosse coach, I walked into this Zoom to a conversation that Matt was having with the whole crew, to Doug, to Hot Engineer Doug, to Hot Head of Content Hans, to Hot Producer
Starting point is 00:51:58 Hot EP. And they were looking really good today. I mean, Hans is... All three of them looked good. Like a fine wine, better by the day. Hans' facial hair length is really good right now. It's really, really working. Heartthrob. And he says LOL. He says LOL in the chat. I think he's just, I think he's uncomfortable.
Starting point is 00:52:14 I think that he's sort of laughing because he doesn't feel like... He doesn't know. It's like in Anne Hathaway Princess Diaries. You know that movie, Anne Hathaway Princess Diaries? That movie, Anne Hathaway Princess Diaries. When sort of like, she doesn't know she's gorgeous the whole time yeah that's sort of the energy that's sort of the energy hans is giving his princess diaries um he says i can't drop emojis but it would be red face emoji oh um so anyway yeah i was talking to them about baseball and hearing you talk about
Starting point is 00:52:41 your athletic career saying that you had a 600 batting average because you were a bunter. You said you were the best bunter in Babylon. Well, this began because Hans asked if I was a baseball fan because I have my Dodgers hat on. And I said, I mean, I'll go to the gay days. You should have asked me in the late 90s. In the late 90s, I was like a massive, like crazy Mets fan. And it ended in the millennium
Starting point is 00:53:05 oh my god I was obsessed with him you wrote a whole sketch about David Wright yes I did when I was in college I did that was my first like good sketch I wrote it's an amazing sketch it's such a well written sketch that was when I knew I was like Matt Rogers wow that guy can really
Starting point is 00:53:22 write a fucking sketch and drive it and lead it that's kind that That's very kind. But anyway, I was wearing this Dodgers hat, and I told him, I was like, the Dodgers were big for me because that's where we got our crown jewel. That's where Mike Piazza came from, from the Mets. And we got on this whole tangent about whether I played baseball. And it's true. I was a center fielder and was a leadoff hitter.
Starting point is 00:53:44 And I would bunt every single time I had a net bat. And I had baseball and it's true. I was a center fielder and was a leadoff hitter and I would bunt every single time I had a net bat and I had an average of about 600 and I was the stolen base leader in my league as well as the runs leader in my league because I was so fast. And then I was the leader and my batting average was
Starting point is 00:53:59 crazy high. And then eventually like the third baseman and all the other team, every time I would come up, they would bring their third baseman all the way up to get my bunts. But bitch, I was still too fast. I was running around the bases. And then I quit to run track. And track was
Starting point is 00:54:15 a positive experience for you. Very positive. Because the track kids just had a community. Track They're a community. Track kids are a community. But the vibe is fun. Yes, but they're fun and cool and funny and cute.
Starting point is 00:54:34 Here's the thing about cross-country kids and track kids, and I hope this is still the case, but they were the people that I learned like cool music from. Like they liked Queen. Like fucking on football buses, I don't think they were singing bohemian rhapsody i really don't i think they were singing like i don't know maybe their pump-up song was something different maybe we got some we will rock you in there but that was as queenie as it got on the football buses it's an exception in the it's an anomaly in the queen discovery it was him doing
Starting point is 00:55:02 mass dragon we love yeah we are the champions yes of course there's a lot of sort of you know hetero-ish songs but really they're just i mean there's no gayer song than we are the champions um if you really think about it but anyway um the icon of cross country is this guy steve prefontaine and he was sort of like he was a guy with long hair hippie like you got the sense that maybe he smoked even though he was sort of like, he was a guy with long hair, hippie. Like you got the sense that maybe he smoked weed, even though he was like a psycho runner. He was just one of the best cross country athletes of all time. And he died tragically very young, but he was like an iconic college cross country athlete.
Starting point is 00:55:35 There's actually two movies about it. There's one called Without Limits and it has Jared Leto. And there's one called Prefontaine and it has Billy Crude up, or I could be mixing it up, but there's two good movies about this guy and they're both great um so you should check them out but what i'm saying is there's like a more like sort of queer like whatever sensibility with cross country and track because you're kind of doing the gay sport because you're not using your hands and you're not throwing balls you know what i mean i love you're not like balls. You know what I mean? I love it. You're not slamming into people. And the people were cool, and they were smart.
Starting point is 00:56:07 Casual. They're casual. That's what it is. They're not aggro in that way. And also, the thing is, on cross-country and track, it's really an individual sport. So the fact that you're not relying on each other takes the pressure off in a way.
Starting point is 00:56:21 I would always get so anxious when I was going to play a team sport because I was pretty aware that I was the only gay person there and like if you messed up it meant more than you let the team down it meant like you weren't a man you know what i mean so oh god whenever i still to this day sometimes when i hear when i start to smell in new york spring in the air i still have like this crazy, which I talked about last week on the pod. I have this insane anxiety because baseball season is starting. Literally still to this day, it happens. Like I have a sense memory. Powerful. It's so weird. But yes, that's how I have the lived in character of lacrosse coach inside me my dad has coach energy always has but this is um this is a mask energy that i think matt is matt very very selectively pulls out i think as well well can i
Starting point is 00:57:14 say something about it you know what's interesting like the the response to hot dog has been like so wow you're the gayest person ever i love the show so gay like i love the faggotry like you go girl like you're so gay you're gay that there's a little part of me that comes from long island and was this kid that's kind of like oh i hope it's not turning people off i hope they're not saying it in a bad way i hope i'm not annoying and i don't know i think i do have a complex with that i have a complex with being like gay and annoying, which I guess is pretty unfortunate because I am. But I don't know.
Starting point is 00:57:51 It's hard. It's not an individual thing. It's not an individual thing. It's like a sociocultural thing where like you. Exactly. Yeah. I've just been cultured a part of me that still lives, that I've almost killed.
Starting point is 00:58:04 He's almost dead, but still believes that acting that gay delegitimizes you in a way. You know what I mean? And that's just my damage I'll be very honest about. I'm sure we all have some element of it. It truly is nobody's business. So I tweeted a bunch of shit on Sunday after the Gazette posted their thing.
Starting point is 00:58:27 And I was like, guys, it's literally so we can just do silly voices. God, you people are so annoying. LOL. Yeah. And I left that up and I was just like, this is actually how I feel. I don't care if it's like, I don't care if this is like me, like sort of taking the bait or whatever. And then I tweeted a bunch of things.
Starting point is 00:58:42 And then I was in a salty tweet storm where I was like, a salty storm oh my god that's good coming to the stage salty salty tweet storm i was just like to the people who are happy that i didn't play a faggot this week but i wasn't a faggot on tv this week like your face looks like olive loaf bitch like i don't care what you have to say and then pachias fantasy world this meme account on instagram posted this funny thing that made me laugh which was um who the fuck y'all think y'all are and then it and then it's an image of following 2720 followers like 14 and i'm just like yeah like this is the energy that i get a lot yeah 100 these people who like practically don't exist on the internet do you want to go get that? You guys, I have a package.
Starting point is 00:59:27 Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Matt's going to go get his package. Sorry. We're getting real. Okay. So this is just me, a new reader. We're getting really real this episode and I hope you're along for the ride.
Starting point is 00:59:37 Yeah. This is just us very sort of candidly talking about things. I don't think Matt and I have had a discussion like this in a while. What's the package? Should I open it? Sure. This is like a very sort of like, the listeners, the readers rather, are really sort of like in our living rooms.
Starting point is 00:59:54 I was just telling readers that I feel like this is a very real episode. I mean, why not, right? Burn the world. Why not? Think about everything that is going on in life. You wouldn't want to not say all these truths you know yes that's right sorry i'm just opening a opening a box with a with a um what do you call this a plastic knife a plastic butter knife all right i'll tell you what it is it's trick mirror by
Starting point is 01:00:18 gia tolentino isn't that crazy literally you've been saying for me to get this on this pod and now i get it on the pod ever since taylor trench taylor trench and i for me to get this on this pod and now i get it on the pod ever since taylor trench taylor trench and i told you to get this miss taylor i miss her i miss her funny i know that the audio the mariah the meaning of mariah carey audiobook is without peer but gia herself does a very good audiobook of trick mirror well then maybe i'll do with this book what i did with mariah's book which is i'll actually read it while I listen to it to get a full immersive experience. I tried that with Mariah's book and I really enjoyed it.
Starting point is 01:00:50 I really liked that experience. Anyway, no, I just, my salty tweet storm was just like these people who like the people who are like telling you to like be more, to be less femme or the silent lizard part of you that's telling you to be less femme is just like enlarged in these other people who are saying like like i get the shit all the time where it's
Starting point is 01:01:11 like bowen bowen stop like bowen's being so like fey or whatever and i'm just like or bowen better stop doing that gay voice i'm like sorry bitch who do you get those notes from just the public just just commenters yeah yeah yeah and i'm like oh no that's my voice honey yeah that's another thing it's like it's like it's funny because i thought what i was doing on hot top was like me at like an eight oh i feel like i'm toned down yeah oh my god same what literally with every time i'm ever on tape for anything and any casting director ever encounters me they're always like okay you know what you can just throw it away and I'm always like it's such a drag
Starting point is 01:01:47 it's like when it's like when our producers sent me this pop filter it's such a drag but they don't know don't they don't know this is naturally me at a time no it's true you know what I'm coming for them and they're they're right here in the zoom and they know who they are I'm actually really thankful that you guys sent me a pop filter it was
Starting point is 01:02:04 Doug I knew it was Doug I'm actually really happy I you guys sent me a pop filter. It was Doug. I knew it was Doug. I'm actually really happy I have this pop filter now for a little voiceover things, which I do. Sorry. Oh, yeah. It is good for voiceover. Oh, it was Hans. There's a trickery going on. I have to say something. What?
Starting point is 01:02:20 I can no longer hold in my I don't think so, honey. I actually was going to run by you doing it first thing. Oh my God, we're already an hour in? Well, this is the thing, bitch.'t think so, honey. I actually was going to run by you doing it first thing. Oh my God, we're already an hour in? Well, this is the thing, bitch. No, no, no. I'm not saying we're doing the I don't think so, honey, now. I'm saying that I literally wanted to come to the episode today
Starting point is 01:02:35 starting with this because I wanted to provoke a discussion. Oh my God. Because I think there needs to be truth. There needs to be truth speaking into the atmosphere and it might need to be expanded on. Okay, I love, we've never done this before. No, we're doing it early. I don't think so, honey. Does this,
Starting point is 01:02:51 can I wait, can mine wait until the end? Yeah, because it's going to have to anyway because like I said, it's going to provoke a discussion. Which takes time. You're that certain. You know, it's actually rule of culture number 66. Discussions take time. They take time. Discussions. This. They take time. Discussions.
Starting point is 01:03:07 This is Matt Rodgers. Oh my God. What is your background? What is that? What's all that? Is this little ghosts? This is an artist, Una Gaba.
Starting point is 01:03:17 He just dug these little illustrations of people with their phones. Isn't that cute? I want that. That's really cute. They're sold out. Oh. Bowen told me the other day to go to the store and get Sunday cologne by Beredo. And I marched right up to the saleswoman and I said,
Starting point is 01:03:33 I'd like Sunday cologne by Beredo. And she was like, oh, yep. And everyone in the store looked for it. It was nowhere to be found. They told me it was discontinued. Just kidding. No, it's not. You can buy it online.
Starting point is 01:03:44 But I don't know what was going on in that store that day but where did you smell but you said that you had smelled it at first well they had a display out on the table i was and then and then they then it was not in the entire store and then someone who quote unquote really knew fragrances said that it was said it was discontinued and then i was like no that's a lie yeah well i knew i kind of knew it was and i was like i don't think these women know what they're doing and so i was like no that's a lie yeah well i knew i kind of knew it was and i was like i don't think these women know what they're doing and so i won't say where it was i went online and it was like yeah very much on sale so anyway i just bought mine like two weeks ago it's so good it's one of my favorites okay here we go all right so here we go this is matt rogers i don't think
Starting point is 01:04:20 so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey anyone outside of Disneyland protesting that they open you need to go home and draw a picture bitch I don't think so honey that you are out here on what is a Monday it's a work day at least pretend something's going on to be protesting the Disneyland is not open during covid i don't think so honey that any of you have even been to another protest in your life and if that's true if this is your first protest mommy daddy i don't think so honey you can ride the matterhorn later bitch also you've probably done it upwards of 30 times i don't think so, that you haven't figured out you could just fly to Orlando, you dumb bitch. If you want to go to Disney World so bad right now,
Starting point is 01:05:10 it's better anyway. And risk death. And risk death. I don't think so, honey, that you need this bad ear flex poorly on me. Someone who said they're a part of your community and now must rescind my membership. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.
Starting point is 01:05:28 We've established this on the podcast before you are not a disney gay i'm a universal faggot but you're but you're not even like and that is the better one of the two to be to sort of identify to align your identity with yeah it means you're much cooler but you're all but you're also but you're you're also not even that fanatical about it no it means you're kind of about the whole thing well no i mean i'll be honest with you when people drag disney people i kind of assume they're talking about someone like me who goes a few times a year to disneyland because i have an annual pass just to have fun whatever whatever. I go, I get very high. I drink, I do rides. I think it's cute. I'm not going four times a month in a matching shirt and clothes.
Starting point is 01:06:12 I can't believe the people with clothes. And I also cannot believe that there is a breed of person who exists that is protesting in Anaheim right now that it's not open. That is a very sick disease and if you like eminem or one of these people i am willing to pay a scholarship i'll say again oh my god i want a scholarship at islip high school where i went to school which is six hundred dollars to the student who seems like they might protest at disneyland. Help that child. Help him. Help him. There's good in him.
Starting point is 01:06:48 If that child at Islip High School has expressed an interest in solidarity or has expressed solidarity with the protestor, you must give him this money. Please, I'm sending it. I'm sending the money. I'm sending the money because that kid needs help. He's very sick.
Starting point is 01:07:03 And it's not funny. These kids shouldn't be going out into the world. They should be getting rehabilitated. It's up to us to get them the help they need. There's people protesting outside Disneyland saying, start the magic. I mean, it's really dark. No, not start the magic. It's like reignite the magic.
Starting point is 01:07:27 Reignite the magic. We are like, reignite the magic. Fuck, reignite the magic. We are wallowing in the swamp of humanity. I'm telling you. Some fucking idiot drew Tinkerbell sprinkling pixie dust and being like, oh no. Like, you can fly, you can fly. Let me tell you something. There is a part of me that does want to fly to Orlando, but I know that it can wait. I know it can wait.
Starting point is 01:07:51 This is okay. So can you give us any more background on what's happening? Like when did they start? I mean, it's not the first day of the protests. I just know that I saw on Twitter and this also bothered me because people were tagging me in it. And I'm like, no, no, no. It's important that you know.
Starting point is 01:08:09 I would never in my life be protesting outside the park. Also, it's so funny to me that they're dressed as if they might come and be like, you guys are right. It's time. And just let them in like little gay fish so that they can go on the mad tea party hun darling think about what you are protesting which is to i just couldn't believe it go against us a public health protocol one two want the invisible hand and forces of the free market to work in full swing again so that you can pay your dollars to this like capitalist class monstrosity of a company we love disney but that's what they are yeah and we don't even love disney we love disney as much as a human being
Starting point is 01:08:59 can love a corporation as as much as someone people who have developed class consciousness can love a corporation, okay? So, these people are just lost, wayward souls. Lost and confused. And confused souls. So sad and so true. Go home! Draw a picture! Draw a picture!
Starting point is 01:09:20 Do a puzzle, you know? Like, play hide and go seek with a few of your friends in your pod. There's ways to revisit your inner child. There is. There is, there is, there is. Or grow up. Or, or, or, or.
Starting point is 01:09:36 It's the mad scream. What? I just, I couldn't fathom the protesting. And I was like, do you agree with me? They haven't been so they did not protest no that is their first protest if they had if they had joined in protest with actual oppressed peoples at any point in their lives they would know that this is not there there is no transference and and in this in this way or whatever the term is like there's no analog to
Starting point is 01:10:04 disney dis Disney not being open being the same kind of oppression as something systemic. That's, wait, I need to look this up. Disneyland protests? You should look it up. You should definitely watch it. And maybe I will too. Tell the guards to open the gates, they say.
Starting point is 01:10:19 Tell the guards to open up the gates. Oh my God, no. Wait, I'm pulling it up too. It no this is terrible okay yeah i'm i'm seeing it i know bring back the magic oh my god not on the fucking let's read some of these signs wait we gotta read some of these signs um okay let me in let me in oh my god that's not even a joke it's just let me in let me in no man not all these are gonna be they're not all gonna be clever you're right i i don't know why i assumed they'd be good satire oh Oh my God. No, these people. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:11:06 Okay. I guess I've run out of photos, but this is just beyond. Yeah, it's really crazy. Anyway. Okay. That was a beautiful, I don't think so, honey. No, but I think this is very important.
Starting point is 01:11:21 I had to speak out. As someone who's public about being part of the community, I felt like it was my duty to come out and say, I do not endorse this, and I think it's wrong. And even though you are sort of trying to distance yourself from the community, I would imagine that a majority of the community would not support what these people are doing. No, I think they agree with me, even though I would say the radicals in the party
Starting point is 01:11:46 would consider me really a Mitt Romney type, I guess, at this point. A centrist. I'm sort of defecting from them and saying, I do not condone morally what is happening. Sorry to talk about her and the law school. No, no, no. And when we say, like, the t-shirt wearing, like, the blah blah
Starting point is 01:12:01 wearing people, that's not meant to be pejorative that's just that's a type of Disney gay that Matt and I are not right we love it but and I should also say I'm going to take back the Romney thing because I just remembered our guest next week is Ann Romney so Ann Romney is
Starting point is 01:12:17 coming on Las Coturistas and that'll be really fun I get to talk to her that'll be really funny we should have we should have Meghan should have megan mccain on uh what if what if we had her on and we both were like i love her actually just kidding we wouldn't i would want to make a bet engineer doug just said yes the most excited he's gotten all episode is the suggestion of megan mccain being a guest i want to i want to make a bet to the audience and to the public that we invite Meghan McCain on.
Starting point is 01:12:48 if we, if she, and this is a challenge to her, like, she would know this coming in, if she's able to charm us in whatever, if she's able to get us to say, oh, you know, you know what? We actually really liked her. Then you and I
Starting point is 01:13:05 have to kill ourselves. I think that should be the setup. That feels like the... I didn't know where you were going with that. Does that make sense, though? It tracks for me. I'm ready. If she charms us enough.
Starting point is 01:13:26 But if she comes on and it's charmless, we get to continue to live. Yes, but then she gets $10,000. Bragging rights. Bragging rights. And she gets the podcast. Then it becomes The Last Cult of Recess with Meghan McCain and Abby Huntsman, who I have been that megan is the bowen and i'm the happy i've been i've been saying
Starting point is 01:13:52 that and you are you are the megan and i'm the abby bitch no bitch you are abby my dad is my dad you're always like my father my father yeah well abby huntsman says my father my father just as much you're always like my father my father coached no can i tell you something you are megan you are you are you are and you want to well i am the one that loves housewives no here's how you're megan you've been on watch what happens shut the fuck up she's an iconic guest of that show a little bit too frequent if you ask me um yeah um but i would say here's the thing the invitation is out to megan mccain to be on the show we will keep you guys updated uh we this is our official invite
Starting point is 01:14:36 to her to be on the show and i actually think if everyone came with an open mind and was cool we might be able to have a nice time but i doubt that that would be the case ever well that i mean i'm happy she's invited yeah i'm happy she's invited too you know what i'm gonna watch tonight what the bachelorette oh good luck i mean i just don't i never have the time for for the bachelor brag no i'm just saying wait can we just I don't have the attention span. Can we set up the fact that Adele is going to be on SNL? Yes, very exciting. Very exciting. Yes, very.
Starting point is 01:15:12 It's going to be so fun. I think it's time, right? Is it time for your SNL? I have no idea what I'm going to do. I really don't. Oh, God. What? No, what? we just got it we just got an email anyway um what wait i can't we just got an email we just got an email
Starting point is 01:15:34 oh my god oh my god okay wait wait this is bowen yanks, I Don't Think So Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey earnest ass emails. Okay? Call me up for coffee. Even in a pandemic, I would rather get coffee with you than have to field some crazy ask.
Starting point is 01:16:01 I can't do it. I can't do it anymore. I just, I'm mentally i'm not there to to sort of offer myself because there is some what is what is that process right i feel like i have to like give myself over to read something that's like more than two paragraphs in an email and i feel like i don't know that i can allocate that psychic energy to that part of my life anymore i think we need to figure out a new solution for when you have like a serious like meaty ask to to first towards someone and it can no longer be in emails i I'm so sorry. Find another way. And that's one minute.
Starting point is 01:16:45 Okay, so here's a question for you. Two questions. Yeah. One, what's worse? Having to read an email that is very long and earnest or someone in person kind of forcing a personal moment with you? In person is always terrible. I'm just saying it can't be in person and it can't
Starting point is 01:17:05 be emails it has to be over text it has to be no i don't even know i'm just um do you remember this is the second part of my question do you remember the thing i wrote for popper let which was yes and i and i think about it all the time and it's that's another incredible sketch um it's called show email it was just it literally it was just so can you can we pull it up oh my god i i guess we could and then we could actually play the song the song was the whole part of it the song was okay wow i can't believe this is happening oh i have show email i have showing you do yeah send it to me okay so okay and the song is can you guess do you remember it's dare you to move by switch it's dairy to move by switch are you sending i'm sending i feel it's only right that i perform it
Starting point is 01:17:58 yeah i mean it's you wrote it for the entire cast but you you should read the whole thing okay wait did i get it okay yes got it Yeah, I mean, you wrote it for the entire cast, but you should read the whole thing. Okay, wait, did I get it? Okay, yes, got it. Okay, ready? Are you playing the song? Can you hear that? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:17 Hey, everybody. I hope this email finds you well. I just want to tell you that I have some exciting new projects coming up. On Tuesday, October 7th, I'm beginning rehearsals for a show at BAM Adjacent, a theater adjacent to BAM that promises to be one of the biggest artistic challenges of my life. It's a punk rock cabaret that tells the story of Macbeth using actors, sets, and a director. Please come if you can. I'm really excited about it. On Friday, October 14th, I will be telling stories at a storytelling show
Starting point is 01:18:49 for storytellers in a park. I will be telling a story about the first time I masturbated at age 23. I'm really excited about it. I'm also going to be releasing a comedy video in late November
Starting point is 01:19:01 with some collaborators from my comedy troupe, Ass Dick. That's Ass Dick. A-S-S D-I-C-K. Keep your eyes open for that. I'm really excited about it. Finally, I'm excited to announce that I'll be
Starting point is 01:19:15 having a party for the debut of my Facebook status about my Kickstarter for the new web series I'm developing with my roommate about roommates who are making a web series but can't decide on how to promote their Kickstarter. I'm really really really excited about it i can't wait to see you at all these adventures yours in love and light and it's everyone's name in the group i think it holds up uh but like look this is from it's fine it's very funny but i mean the present the way we presented it that show was
Starting point is 01:19:45 very yeah like like the most bloated like theater troupe in the world wait but what year was this this is from 2014 um wow yeah six years ago i probably wrote it seven years ago so just so you know these kind of pervasive emails about what people have going on have been have been going on have been going on you know for far too long is what i'm saying i just love when someone writes a very long email that's about that's about like nothing nothing and they expect you to read every word of it they They just shouldn't be that long. That's all. No. Right. That's all. Just like, or link to a longer thing. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:20:29 I just, it's funny to get the emails. Anyway. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. So that was my I Don't Think So, Honey. I feel like we had a really good discussion out of that. Yeah, we really did.
Starting point is 01:20:40 We really did. This has been, we really are sort of experimenting with this episode. I really enjoyed it. Well, you know, it doesn't have to be over. I know it doesn't have to be over. I don't know why.
Starting point is 01:20:50 I don't, I don't mean to. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:20:53 No, I'm not saying that you were. Can we not fight? Can we not fight? I'm sorry. When's the last time we fought, fought? Was it?
Starting point is 01:21:04 Oh, you know what? I remember the last time you get irritated with me do you remember i remember a big blowout fight between me you and sudi was in palm springs that was definitely one big really big fight that was a big one and what was the theory what was the thesis of that oh never mind they don't need to know but but it's that we all like treat each other poorly that's all it's that it was it was in relation to how we were treating each other yes yes yes um but wait what was and then i remember you you consistently get annoyed with me in hotels because i'm the one
Starting point is 01:21:37 that comes down last that's our most consistent yeah but you were you were about to like reference a fight recently that we've had that I don't think I remember. No, no, no, no, no. I don't remember us having... I think it's been a really long time since we've had an argument. Or maybe we've just both gotten better at avoiding them. I know.
Starting point is 01:21:56 Here's what I want to ask, because it's just so buried under so much stuff now, even though it wasn't that long ago. What? But on the subject of traveling, was I good to travel with? you were good to travel with i think that i don't have any negative memories of me neither traveling with you i i would say that there was that one moment where we were all traveling together and you were gonna get sick on the plane and that was not a good
Starting point is 01:22:22 never forget i will never forget and you you were in the wrong i'm wrong i'm wrong i was wrong i was wrong i was not being i was not being uh supportive and tolerant bowen was getting very sick on a plane to chicago and we were i don't know why we were circling in the air above the airport i think i think there think there's some tarmac issue, but we had descended, and then we immediately sort of turned our noses up. The plane sort of turned up again and started circling Chicago
Starting point is 01:22:54 and tight turns, tight little circles, and I was getting air sick. And then Matt sort of turned to me and said, stop! She was like, what would you say? Yeah. And then Matt sort of turned to me and said, well, I said,
Starting point is 01:23:07 stop. She was like, what would you say? I said, please stop doing that. No, you did not say it like that. You were like,
Starting point is 01:23:15 stop doing that. I, I, I believed at the time that I was going to have been doing it for attention. No, I don't do that. I don't do that i don't do that you really don't but i didn't know if you were in a mood or whatever and also i'll tell you where it was coming from it was coming from a real real real fear thing that no that would was if you were
Starting point is 01:23:40 gonna throw up i was gonna throw up yeah that would have been really bad and because like i'm not good with that like you know i don't love like any type of gore and so when you were gonna vomit and you were being so performative about it i kind of just felt like oh he should just do it or not like this whole like hemming and hawing about whether or not the will they are won't they him and the barf bag i can't they should just consummate this relationship at once and i remember that we or don't we fought at david sidorov's apartment do you remember that because you and i were sleeping at david sidorov's apartment we were you were sleeping on the floor i was sleeping on the couch oh because we were there for the chicago sketch fest yeah i don't remember fighting though no we we like had like a continuation of that of the final play oh no really oh i hate
Starting point is 01:24:30 dave's living room and i think david just kind of like stood by and watched us and it was kind of sad i felt bad and we love you david well we love you i i don't think it was that big of a deal i mean look at us now but wait yeah yeah no we we've been pretty good i but i just i have such fond memories of us of us touring i loved i mean i guess the one thing is do you wish especially now going in retrospect do you wish that when we were in all those cities like we we could have gone out more yeah because i feel like but we didn't have a chance to for a lot of the cities. No, because you and I both do like our sleep. And we, for some reason, we're booking that, well,
Starting point is 01:25:09 we had to for scheduling when we were touring, book the flight so early that there was no chance to go out. Like, I remember we didn't go out in like, um, San Francisco. Yeah, we didn't go out in San Francisco. We didn't go out in like, well, we did go out in Austin. We actually raged in Austin with Joel. We did. We didn't, but we like didn't go out in san francisco we didn't go out and like well we did go out in austin we actually raged in austin with joel we did we didn't but we like didn't go out in seattle no that was such a
Starting point is 01:25:31 bummer didn't really go out in portland and that was so fun well we sort of went out in portland and i wish we had been out longer because oh my god that was a that that night was cuckoo bananas because that there's a guy in portland that i like and he was hot do you remember him you i remember i remember and i remember we were leaving and i was like do you think that that guy was interested and you were like he was yes i was like he was so into you yeah and i remember i was like no because that is that is such a thing sometimes I just don't know when someone is This night is mine Don't you let it go I'm the one
Starting point is 01:26:10 destruct for sin on the world I don't know what it's Jared's gonna be like you didn't know the words to Enchanted We should at least do the hook I was enchanted to meet you It I was enchanted to meet you
Starting point is 01:26:25 it was an enchanted night oh my god some nights I just kick myself you know don't do that they'll come back yeah but the thing about those misconnections is
Starting point is 01:26:42 hell of a masturbation sesh later I know it isn't so fun you just have you have so much there's so much potential there to think about you know probably was so thrilling masturbating as like a chaste Victorian woman who like never knew of such tawdry things and then when
Starting point is 01:26:59 they got like and they probably were so pent up that when they finally flicked their bean that was probably like a fucking horror film in the best way but i think i feel like you need to probably all that the way your eyes rolled back because i was i was picturing myself flicking my bean that's like sort of like a you know like, chaste Victorian woman. I guess it is really intense. Now it's like I've seen so much porn that I'm just like, yeah. I've seen so much porn.
Starting point is 01:27:31 I've seen it all. It feels so by the numbers. Not by the numbers, but it's like I just do it and it's done. Do you have a favorite star these days? I do, yeah. Who is it? Are you shy to say?
Starting point is 01:27:50 I guess so. No, say. It's his job. I love, I love me, do you know Cade Maddox? Yes, of course. I feel like he's like, this is him peaking. This is like the prime of his career. He's doing wonderful things.
Starting point is 01:28:06 What about you? Well, I pay for Gay Hoopla. Oh, and some OnlyFans people, too. Some great OnlyFans folks. There are some great OnlyFans folks out there, but I actually pay for Gay Hoopla. There's this guy, Dustin Hazel, who is very much it.
Starting point is 01:28:21 And there's this other guy, Mason, and also this guy, Jaden Marcos. Oh my god, you are just oh my god this guy price hogan oh my gosh yeah there's just a lot of good stuff happening on there there's i'm sure i'm sure he might actually appreciate this but um there is there's an only fan sort of like cult star right now in Brooklyn. His name is Considerate Top. He doesn't show his face. Considerate Top. Sort of like Damaged Bottom.
Starting point is 01:28:54 There you go. He's Considerate Top. He doesn't show his face. He's Asian. Gorgeous. Oh my God. Wears a jade pendant in all of his videos. I'm obsessed with him.
Starting point is 01:29:04 And I think he's like finding some success in OnlyFans. And he's, and I have, and lovely in real life. But in real life, I mean, like, just, like, he's a Swifty. So when Folklore came out. Wait, how do you know he's a Swifty? Because I didn't know about his OnlyFans until Folklore came out. And then he DM'd me and was just like, oh my god, this is so exciting. And his picture was just this insane torso.
Starting point is 01:29:32 So I was just like, who's this person? And then stumbled on the OnlyFans, and then was just like, oh, what a gorgeous portal into this world. And how did you find that he was a Swiftie? Because he DMed me when Folklore came out and was just like, isn't this so exciting? I might have to cough up the dollars for that one. Oh, he's reasonable.
Starting point is 01:29:53 I think he's like a 799. Hot porn and also a Swiftie? I must support. He's one of my Taylor Nation. Taylor, have you been keeping up with Folklore at all? The transition from porn to Folklore. all? The transition from porn to folklore The way we transitioned from porn to folklore The way we did that one
Starting point is 01:30:10 I was talking to someone the other day about how It's a lovely album, but you know, I tweeted from the LC account today I saw you did You've been doing that The way that I'm going to gonna say it and this is actually not an opinion i held before until you and i hung out in la a few months ago and we just put it on and we didn't skip but the way reputation might be the best taylor album thank you for saying that because so many people out here are erasing reputation. Because I even think 1989 back half,
Starting point is 01:30:46 it just, the last four songs, I'm like, who cares? You're, you're speaking general truth right now. I think if you were to actually look at the last four songs on 1989, you'd take that back a little bit.
Starting point is 01:30:58 But I think the sentiment is not incorrect. That reputation is a more complete artistic output this is what I was telling you that night that we listened to it though I was like you know what's special about this album is that there's an actual like like Red it's like okay about like the moods of the way that
Starting point is 01:31:17 like you know love is sort of synesthetic and I guess Speak Now is about like fantasy settings like you speak up at a wedding or you're you meet a prince at the ball whatever um fearless is just sort of like clean crisp country but there's no like messaging it was i think she was fearless in the way that she was saying how she really feels you know know, that's like a very basic theme. Lover is like a little too general,
Starting point is 01:31:48 but it's her sort of being more like revisiting her like warmth or whatever. And then Folklore is just about like solitude or generally speaking, something like that. I believe it's actually more of a concept album than people are giving it credit for. I think it's really trying of a concept album than, than people are giving it credit for. I think it's, I think it's,
Starting point is 01:32:05 it's really trying to make contemporary myth happen. And I think it. Okay. See, that's perfect. That's perfect. And this might actually be over valued over what I think reputation is about, which is holding onto like your own self convictions when there's a shit storm
Starting point is 01:32:21 happening outside of you. That's about, yeah. Reputation. when there's a shit storm happening outside of you that's about you reputation i think is about like aggressively trying to fight for and uphold your narrative personal and public and i think it is like it it's and it also sounds like that you know what i mean like matches the the the message yeah and it it it manages to work on so many levels and i think is is so much more than what people give it credit for because i think people just think oh that's her album where she
Starting point is 01:32:53 got a little bit like um you know darker and hip-hop and and or used hip-hop and got more like um bitchy angsty yeah but i don't look at it like that. I actually look at it like just as valid as Red or 1989 or folklore. I just think that, honestly, I do think it might have something to do with the fact that she is like, she really did grab headlines there for a second. And even not attempting to she was she was just playing with the media too much for it to get that real critical right love it did not get the critical flowers it was too it was too incorporated and ingratiated with the idea of her fame
Starting point is 01:33:36 which i think makes people who give music accolades uncomfortable is that she's like yes so such a capital p pop star. But when she, it makes her quote unquote musician-y albums, they love her. And I just think it's kind of bullshit that Reputation is not thought of in that same way because it is just as good. Blank Space is her most self-aware song,
Starting point is 01:33:58 but Reputation is her most self-aware sort of statement as an artist, I think. I don't know. That's how I feel. And Folkler, you're right, is more like, is more sort of American mythical. Like with Reputation,
Starting point is 01:34:13 at least she gave you like a Popper's album. You know what I mean? It's such a great Popper's album. She gave you like a Popper's album in a way that like, you know, we'll see if Adele does. We'll see. We'll see.
Starting point is 01:34:24 We'll see. I bet she could. We'll see if, I does we'll see we'll see we'll see we'll see i bet she could we'll see if i'm curious to see if this ari album next week is going to be a popper's album or if it's going to be another sleepy i heard that it is a very good but good in what way because it's like thank you next and and um sweetener i think like it there was an after sort of effect where we all sort of with distance we're like oh those are actually great albums i could never say i could never say how i know this but i know that camp ariana is very happy about it okay okay and that and that the video is going to be something else basically what i'm asking is it bops or is it like sleepy? Great. Love it. That's all I care about.
Starting point is 01:35:05 But also. But I'm sure it's balanced. I'm sure it's like balanced out. You might have to think about the way you think of bops. Also, I don't know much. All I know is that apparently it's really fucking good. Great. I can't wait.
Starting point is 01:35:18 And the video is going to be cool. That's really all I know, which is, I think, good news. Great. I love it. i love it i love it okay maybe we end on ariana is that weird is she really the musician that's dominated this episode no i want you to listen to your heart no i knew you'd ask boyen listen to your heart and in your heart you will find the answer to the question of who is the musician that has dominated this episode and only in your heart will that answer lie is it is it taylor in the middle of the night, my dreams. You should do the things we do.
Starting point is 01:36:08 Baby. Oh my God. I'm going to listen to that album. I put it on today and I was like, this is a really good album. What song are you going to pop the poppers to on that album? I know mine. Dancing with Her Hands Tied. Dancing with Her Hands Tied.
Starting point is 01:36:21 I'm going to do it too. I'm going to do it to dress and absolutely arch my back in the bedroom. Come on. Think about it, hon. Ooh, that's really good. That's really good.
Starting point is 01:36:33 Just kidding. I'm going to do it to the song. This is why we can't have nice. Thanks. Oh, I don't, I don't, I could,
Starting point is 01:36:41 I could, I could do with that. I could do with that track. When she goes, darling, if you're on pop track. When she goes, darling! If you're on poppers when she goes, darling! Oh my god, your butthole falls off and walks away. She says, I'm going on a vacation.
Starting point is 01:36:56 That's my impression of your butthole. She says, I'm going on a vacation. We gotta end. Another grounded impression. Another well lived in impression well this has been among the more chaotic episodes of las culturistas and it didn't even need a guest isn't it funny that we literally were like it's an academic episode last week and now this week is like super lupa well like do a leap i'm more like super lupa do a leap more like sualupa. Well, listen. Dua Lipa, more like Supalupa.
Starting point is 01:37:25 Dua Lipa, more like Sualupa. I feel like, you know, the reaction from last week's episode was mixed. We love the people who enjoyed our book club and who are reading along with us, but some people really got pretty brazen in the comments and were like, hey, this one was a snooze.
Starting point is 01:37:44 Like, do not, like, kill that instinct. Honestly, if you have the instinct to like, and this only applies to me and Matt, I'm going to say it. If you want to say something stupid, Say it to my face. No, no, don't even say it to us. I don't want to see it.
Starting point is 01:38:02 And you can say it to someone else, but this only applies to me and Matt we are the sort of moral exceptions to this not moral but sort of whatever just remember what we said in the last episode if you step up we're gonna throw
Starting point is 01:38:17 hands see me with them dukes up this is our second episode threatening the audience if anyone ever comes for Bowen Yang you better have done a lot of karate in your life because I'm coming
Starting point is 01:38:33 you better know how to defend yourself if anyone comes for Matt Rogers it would take it would take such a little effort for me to ruin your life. And I'm not even saying physically. I will.
Starting point is 01:38:48 Spiritually. Spiritually. Cellularly. Security wise will make you feel unsafe about your circumstances in life. And that's all I'll say. That's all I'll say. If you, listening right now at home, ever come for Bowen Yang, I will send the curses of all the witches of my family. And my family's very cursed.
Starting point is 01:39:27 My family comes from a long line of curses, charms, and spells and I have no qualms as the witches say about summoning the powers of my people the Rogers witches you've never known if anyone listening comes
Starting point is 01:39:44 for my friend Matt Rogers I will set fire to the rain to the rain wow that song kind of sounds like a spell. Oh, if you do it like a witch. We got to stop.
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