Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Matt & Bow Take The Substance" (w/ Matt & Bowen)
Episode Date: January 15, 2025We're back! And first and foremost, Matt, Bow and everyone at Las Cultch is extending all the love and strength in the world to those affected by the fires in Los Angeles. We implore everyone to do wh...at they can to help those suffering. As far as culture goes, Matt and Bowen have finally taken The Substance and are quite simply throwing neck for the film. They discuss the Oscar-worthy contributions of Demi (Duh-MEE) Moore, Margaret Qualley (KWA-LEE) and Coralie Fargeat (Far-JEE-AHT) in what Las Cultch is calling the best film of 2024 (biases aside). Also, Bowen Yang as Mubi gay, the SAG noms (go Bowen and Wicked!), this very competitive Best Actress year, Pamela Anderson's renaissance and The Last Showgirl, Sean Baker's Anora and the TALENT that is Mikey Madison, and Sebastian Stan finally getting his flowers. All this, The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City as Nobel Prize frontrunner and Meredith Marks as Mt. Rushmore of Housewives contender, discourse on The Traitors season 3, the Jerry Springer doc on Netflix, South Park as formative culture, "Barney haters" and how Sesame Street is full of broken people. And that's not even all, as our hosts get into, Bowen's life altering trip to Japan, Matt's bruised tailbone and will to fuck, and high praise for Nikki Glaser at the Golden Globes. There is a DEFINISH chance you will love this episode. Stay safe. Stay sane. And CON-TROL YOUR-SELF!!!!!!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Look, Matt.
Oh, I see. Wow.
Bowen, look over there.
Wow, is that culture?
Yes.
Las Culturistas.
Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling.
We're back.
Well, what an auspicious beginning to the year. Oof.
No, what do you mean, oof?
Well, why were you calling him auspicious?
Because we get to be together.
That's beautiful.
We get to be together.
We have a great bounty.
We have a great bounty.
A friendship here.
A treasure of beauty in friendship.
A treasure of beauty.
Is that the definition of bounty?
A fortune.
A treasure of beauty.
Oh, no, no.
A great fortune.
A great fortune of beauty.
I forget how you used this sequence of words, but it's so Matt Rogers.
You have a great fortune of beauty.
You have a great fortune of beauty.
Yes.
Well, you do.
I'm actually sitting here with you right now.
Are you in a full beat right now?
No, I actually took the beat off.
You took the beat off?
Yeah, yeah.
Because you did a little photo shoot for SNL.
I did. For an SNL related thing for something.
So they get you in a full beat for the photo shoot?
Tell us how photo shoots work.
Well, you know, they put you in a full beat and then they say,
OK, your hair looks OK.
These are the clothes.
And they say, hey, throw that neck for me.
Throw that neck for me.
You end the phrase throw neck.
Talk about that.
We have to give credit where it's due.
Delta Work one time went on a tear on her podcast
about throwing neck.
Like, you want me to throw neck?
And I actually didn't know what it was.
And now throw neck has entered my lexicon.
Throw neck is so much better than, I hated give head.
No, give head's awful.
Give head is so bad.
Ew.
We're talking about euphemisms for oral sex,
AKA blowjob.
We could also bring back blowjob.
Blowjob.
You gave him a blowjob?
You gave him a blowjob?
A blowjob.
Like, I don't know.
He gives good blowjobs.
I want people to say that about me.
No.
Blowjob is so 90s.
Actually, really close to number eight.
Blowjob is so 90s. Blowjob is culture number eight. Blowjob is so 90s.
And what Givehead is so aughts, right?
So aughts, and Throwneck is so 2020s.
So 2020.
That's why I'm an auspicious beginning of the year.
Obviously, there was a coping kind of cheekiness to it
because of things being so devastating.
Yeah, I was just saying to Bo, right before we got on,
I'm actually super anxious to do the podcast today.
And anytime there's something going on,
like the horrible fires that are happening right now in Los Angeles,
and by the way, it's still ongoing.
I mean, we're recording this on Monday, January 13th.
This will come out on Wednesday.
And, you know, the next couple of days are going to be very trying for the city and for the area and
I think we are still gonna give Lost Coach. I mean our theme for this year actually we decided is more random bullshit
Yeah, so look forward to that. But I feel like I do just want to speak to
Everyone that because I know for a fact that we have people that listen to this and a great listener But I feel like I do just want to speak to everyone that,
because I know for a fact that we have people
that listen to this and a great listener base in Los Angeles
and so many people there that are being affected
that are losing everything.
And it just goes so beyond just the loss of property.
I mean, the mental health right now, it's so demoralizing.
It is so, it's hard to wrap your head
around the amount of devastation and
just how much work needs to be done. And all I really want to
say is that we are sending all of our love and strength to
everyone that's affected everyone that will be affected
for people checking in on me. I'm fine. Like I'm in New York
and have been I had some work stuff to do at the top of the year.
I've obviously ended up remaining here just to kind of stay out of the way, but truly
heartbreaking.
And just know that we will continue to provide a space for you to hopefully laugh and feel
like there's someone beside you because... It is a very unique kind of grief to have so many emotional attachments kind of fall
away to ash, literally.
I mean, there's something very obviously unique about every kind of disastrous thing,
but with fire, it is like uncontrollable, unpredictable, fast.
And it all happens in a way that defies any kind of processing.
And things will just take a very long time.
On every level, things will take a very long time to feel tolerable in any way.
And that is what's probably the saddest collective thing
that people outside of Los Angeles must be feeling.
But then it certainly pales in comparison
to what people who are currently there
and who will be dealing with this
for the next several years are feeling in this moment.
Yeah, I mean, it's hard, right?
Because sometimes it's hard, right?
Because sometimes it's just you're sitting on your computer or in front of your TV or
on your phone and you see things start to fill up that space and it's like, you know,
the politicization and the finger pointing and stuff is so unhelpful.
And it's hard.
I will never forget some people whose instinct was to just immediately politicize this and immediately make it about other things when people's homes are burning, when people are losing family, losing pets, relationships get so challenged during things like this.
You know what I mean? It's just the last thing on anyone's mind should be like dunking on this city, which by the way, obviously I get it, like LA gets dunked on,
you know what I mean?
It all feels very fucking stupid now.
But why would you do that in this moment?
Because for some people, they just can't separate
their actual need for attention and for people
to rally around whatever thought they have.
I mean, it's like, it's a fucking dark day
for social media when I log on and I see
that people have all the fucking answers when it's
like you clearly don't and can't. I think it's it's officially curtains. Oh god. Yeah. TikTok ban.
Take it. Take it at this point. Zuck being Zuck. Like it's just it's over. There's no.
Which is not to say that like TikTok going away potentially is like a celebratory thing.
It's just like, if you had any doubt that,
and now I'm like sounding a little tinfoil-y,
but it's like, if you had any doubt,
this is all part of some like,
this isn't some kind of like propaganda machine, essentially.
It's like, why are all of these fucking tech bros like,
right-wingers now?
Anyway, we can't get into this. We're not there's so much there's time for this stuff later.
All I want to say right now, but actually Bowen and I literally said,
we won't do more than seven minutes on this because we're going to do
is we're going to bring you Lost Coach.
We have a lot to say over about what's gone on over the past
like a month since we've seen you guys.
We hope you guys enjoyed the re-releases.
I think we actually carried down in terms of what we chose.
We tore the selection.
A tour carried and more, but last thing I want to say,
the first thing I'm going to do when I get back to the city,
which I don't know when that will be,
hopefully end of the week, we'll see,
is I'm going to my apartment, I'm going to my closet.
Every single thing that I don't need is getting donated.
I encourage you to do the same.
These resources, luckily, because of social media,
are not difficult to find in terms of where you can donate.
And if you are in the position to give,
I said it about the hurricanes in Florida,
I'm saying it now, please do that
because people really need help.
They really need help bad.
And my heart goes out to everybody.
If anything can be taken away from this,
it's that the thing that has been mobilized
the quickest and the most incredibly is
interpersonal mutual aid thing.
It's devastating that it's not anything
more part of a larger system.
It's just, it is literally like bottom up
and it still has yet to be a top down thing.
And as we go into like a new sort of-
Era as it were.
Like that is, that will not be the thing
that anyone can rely on.
I mean, let's, I guess, you know what?
You know what, y'all, let's fucking see.
You, we fucked around.
I guess we're gonna find out depending on what goes down in terms of our federal
government.
But I guess we'll just continue to watch that.
It's just crazy that the response is what it is because it's a blue state.
It's really fucking crazy.
It's wild.
I mean, let's not even.
Let's literally not even.
Let's just hope to God that resources are given to people that need it,
regardless of where they live or who they are,
or X, Y, Z reason.
The last thing I wanna say about it is,
shout out doesn't even do it justice
to all of the firefighters
that are giving everything to put this out.
I mean, like truly watching these,
the aircrafts go up and the water get dumped and
like just seeing how precise all of it is and watching these people scale mountains to get to
places, putting themselves in harm's way, truly all respect and heroic kudos to them. Like, it's
just amazing what you see people are willing to do
to help others.
And that is something that let's just highlight that
at the end of this.
And as it all unfolds, so far my place is okay,
but I have a fucking one bedroom apartment.
You know, I'm all right.
I'm just, my heart is broken for people
that are losing stuff.
Yeah.
Anyway, we watched the substance last night.
We're the last.
What? We're the last. Anyway, we watched The Substance last night. We're the last...
We're the last... Anyway, it's Oscar season.
Ha!
We're the last two gay men to see this movie.
Watched it together. It actually was my...
You guys aren't going to believe this.
This was my second time seeing the movie.
Do we have a burgeoning horror enthusiast in our midst?
Do we? I think we do horror enthusiast in our midst? Do we?
I think we do.
I always thought that Matt Rogers would be a horror buff.
Like, I think you've grown up a lot since you self-identified this way.
Yeah.
And I think you can let that go.
I think you can let, oh, I'm squeamish about horror.
I think you've leveled the fuck up.
And if you can sit through the substance twice in one week,
I think you're fine.
I knew it. Here's the thing.
It's such a rich genre. It's such a shame that you're missing out.
Can I tell you something? It's one of the genres that I respect the most.
Horror and sci-fi.
I actually think because you can genuinely,
and we'll talk about this movie in connection to this idea,
but you can more than anything else so brilliantly make points about our culture when you are
a sci-fi or horror filmmaker, and this is obviously both.
I knew I was going to have to see it because I'm just rooting so hard for Demi.
And I'm more to say about her in a second, but I was like, you know what?
I'm going to nut up and I'm going to fucking watch this because...
You've got to nut up for Demi and Margaret.
I have to nut up for Demi and Margaret.
And actually, it's Shrula Culture number 30.
You have to nut up for Demi and Margaret.
And let's include Margaret in the conversation.
Absolutely.
Because if I wake up on Oscar nomination morning and I don't see whoever is reading those nominations,
say the name Margaret Qualley.
There will be more destruction.
And that's a little light humor there.
Because I think we could all use a little light humor.
Facetious queen, thank you.
This is, I think it's our favorite movie of the year.
It's our favorite movie of the year, period.
Notwithstanding projects that we've been involved in.
I think Wicked has to occupy its own space.
Of course. And let me say, it is occupying its own space for me.
I've seen Wicked. I think I actually don't remember if it's four or five times, but
it's obviously one of my favorite films.
Like, and congratulations to you on your SAGNOM.
Thank you. I feel like every time there's a nominations announcement, my sister
always gets the flowers.
Because you are everything everywhere all at once.
No, no.
I'm not just saying that.
I am.
I'm very grateful to be included among this superlative group of actors.
You're really my friend.
There's a sort of self-deprecating part of me that says I like somehow con my way into
that into that group. But also I'm very proud of the work that...
You were in the ensemble. You elevated the film.
I'm proud of the work that everybody did.
Yes.
Especially Jonathan Bailey getting the nomination for supporting.
Yeah, that was major.
Such a nice... What's the word? Tasteful choice?
You used a word when we were talking about this.
We were like when SAG nominations came out,
and then we were talking about Jonathan.
We were like, oh, we're so happy for Jonathan.
You said...
Oh, are you looking through text?
Yeah, I'm looking through text.
What did I say about Johnny Bailey's nomination?
I believe that I said something about it.
We gotta cut around this one second.
Or, no, this is real life.
Oh, no, okay, this...
We were texting up a storm.
Here's the thing about us, we are texting up a storm.
That's actually rollercoaster number 18. Here's the thing about us, we are texting up a storm. That's actually a little culture number 18.
Here's the thing about us, we are texting up a storm.
Now this is what you said about
Jonathan Bailey's nomination, inspired nomination.
I think it is an inspired nomination.
It's very inspired because he is, yeah.
Because the thing about that role is it's like,
first of all, Jonathan Bailey is like Dick Van Dyke.
You know what I mean? Oh my God, what a great comparison. That's like the first of all, Jonathan Bailey is like Dick Van Dyke. You know what I mean?
Oh, my God, what a great comparison.
That's like the highest compliment I could give.
True entertainer, like...
That physicality is delightful.
Yeah, just dripping in charisma.
I mean, I'm saying that just in terms of the way he moves and dances.
Not his physique. It's not his physique, his physicality.
Well, I mean, listen, first of all, if we're gonna have Fiero,
like, that's exactly what it should be looking like. That should be Fiero.
A triumph in both casting and tailoring.
Oh, yeah.
That's what I would say about everything
that doesn't have to do with Jonathan Bailey.
Right, the casting of Fiero.
But in terms of what does have to do with him,
now that's the definitive Fiero.
I mean, so easy to fall in love with immediately.
You get why everyone on screen is doing that.
Yes. Yes.
You know, treating him that way, just like, you know,
in a movie like that where they clearly loved it so much.
You've got the ensemble now, I'm Cynthia and Ariana.
Like, I love it.
And it's a true supporting nomination,
which is something that I ring the bell on a lot,
which is the category fraud of it all. Of course. And that is, look, it's an acting award
granted by actors that he's performing in the truest sense.
I think I'm not surprised at all why people saw his name over like check in that box.
Yeah. And you think they thought you think they saw mine for ensemble and said, yes.
I think that here's what happened when I got to Ensemble.
I think they, first of all, Wicked, W, all the way at the end.
Of course.
And I think Yu Yang were all the way at the end of that.
So I think you were the last thing I saw.
I was the closer.
You were the closer of the entire booklet.
And I've been a SAG voting committee member,
not this year, but I have been in the past.
I know how it works.
And all I know is I think they closed their books
very pleased with
themselves, knowing that they had voted to nominate the one, the only, sister-in-law I have called Bowen.
I'm the closer. I'm Kira Sedgwick in this bitch.
You were so Kira Sedgwick in this bitch. But okay, so it wasn't all great for me though,
because like I just said, Margaret Qualley was not on the list
for SAG.
And let me tell you something, the Academy members, if any of you are listening to this,
you can actually vote till Friday now.
I'm not waking up and not hearing Margaret Qualley's name.
What she does in this movie, both of them epic.
Every inch of her was covered except for one eye.
Let's fucking talk about this film.
So the substance, if you don't know now, you know,
it's about Demi Moore.
She plays an aging actress named Elizabeth Sparkle.
Let's just pause.
Let's just let that live.
Elizabeth Sparkle.
First of all, the very first thing you see
is her Hollywood star, Elizabeth Sparkle.
And you're like, her name is Elizabeth Sparkle.
And then the tone of the movie begins.
And it's just so brilliant.
Like, how would you say the tone is?
The tone is,
God, the tone is like B-movie.
It's like B-movie noir.
B-movie noir.
But like also like very aware of the fact
that it's a body horror movie.
And it's like crunchy and juicy and very, you mentioned very first frame.
You were like, I already love this because it's just the hard materials
of the the Hollywood star that they're making.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the movie is molding and shaping and so, yeah.
It's about being defined by what physically makes you up
and allowing that to go too far.
And the movie never loses sight of that.
Coralie Fargey.
Is it Fargey?
Because some people are fully pronouncing it Fargee.
Oh, that's interesting. So then maybe I'm wrong.
Because I'm looking at it and I'm thinking it's Fargey.
You are putting in the time to watch these interviews
and to hear the utterances of the names.
We might as well just call Coralie the legend.
Hold on, we can't move forward
without knowing the proper pronunciation.
Because I'm looking at her as someone who clearly is not,
I'm not exactly whipping out a French accent,
but I'm looking at the way it's Farge,
it looks like Farge to me.
Coralie Farge.
Farge.
Farge.
Coralie Farge.
Fargeet, come on. Someone said Fargeet and I was like. Coralie Fargeat. Fargeat? Come on.
Someone said Fargeat.
No, I'm not saying come on at you.
I'm saying come on at whoever is broadcasting Fargeat.
I mean, lots of failures in broadcasting.
Fargeat? Not the slur.
Fargeat sounds like a slur.
It does.
You know what?
To speak of another Best Actress potential nominee,
Mikey Madison really put her pussy into faggot,
to saying the word faggot in the aura.
Oh, I absolutely loved when she tore it up.
Did we talk about this?
I don't know if we've gotten into an aura
because I don't think you had seen an aura
when I had seen an aura.
You've now seen an aura.
I have now seen an aura and I have now loved an aura.
I love Mikey Madison in an aura.
Can I say best actress, wild this year. Wild this year.
Cynthia, come on, give it up.
Cynthia, I hope Cynthia is locked.
I think she is.
Well, there's some people online that are kind of giving the fear that what happened
to Margot Robbie could happen to Cynthia.
Sure, sure, sure.
Because like, but I also think it's a totally different thing.
I would be so bummed out if Cynthia misses.
Come on, Cynthia fucking...
You're with her every step of the way in that movie.
All the way up until that last fucking battle cry.
It's like, come on.
Another actor would have...
You couldn't... It wouldn't have been the same.
It wouldn't have been the same.
Cynthia gave us such a sublime version
of just that story up until that point.
Oh my God, come on, please give it to Cynthia.
I mean, it's so great.
And I listened to The Wizard and I a bunch today.
By the way, I covered The Wizard and I
on my Christmas show.
And each and every time it was the best moment of my life.
Like literally, I can't believe that song.
And she's done like yet another like defining performance
of that song.
Like you can watch all the alphabas sing The Wizard of the Night.
Cynthia not only put her own spin on it,
but also did the song so much justice.
And that's the point in the movie where you're like,
it's confirmed at that point that this is a great film.
You're in safe hands after that.
I just love it.
Not to speak too much more about that,
but I hope she gets her nomination.
Yes, yes, yes.
I think my Actress Five is Demi, Mikey Madison, Cynthia Erivo, Carla Sofia Gascon, and Nicole
in Baby Girl.
And Nicole's getting lost.
And this is not to say I also didn't love, I loved Angelina Jolie and Maria.
Yes, and then you'd seen Hard Truths.
I've seen Hard Truths.
Marianne Jean-Papetiste is incredible in it.
The movie is a difficult movie and it's a tough character,
but she's brilliant.
And I've seen The Last Showgirl.
And I think if Pam Anderson gets a nomination,
you're not going to see me tisking.
Like I root for her and she's fabulous in the movie.
I've seen a lot.
You are... I think you're...
This is a fun year to be a completist, completionist,
however you want to say it.
Yeah. Yeah.
Great year.
And I haven't even mentioned Fernando Torres,
the legendary Brazilian actress in the movie I'm Still Here,
who's won the Globe, and that kind of, like...
That shot her up.
...shook it up. Because people were looking at Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolita
when then, neither of them did.
Should we get back on track with the substance?
I mean, just funny.
It wields camp, people throw around this word,
but it wields camp in the most perfect way,
which is it's poor taste and good taste.
That's exactly what that movie is the entire way through.
Yes, and I think like...
Just the dialogue, you're just like,
oh my God, this is a reverie.
This is dreamlike in every way.
And in such a calibrated way, like even...
God, even with the Dennis Quaid stuff, it's like,
oh, everyone understands. This is good direction.
Everyone being aligned with the vision.
And also, that being true when there is so much technical stuff going on.
I implore you, if you've seen this movie,
the next thing you should do, your homework,
is to watch it's a 30-minute BTS feature ad on YouTube
about the making of the movie.
It is true, practical filmmaking.
Practical magic.
Practical magic.
So let that sink in.
Bars. Bars.
Bars.
But like you watch the movie and you're like,
well, surely that part was CGI.
And it wasn't.
And so incredibly creative she was
in terms of what she executed.
She's so in control of all her departments.
And to speak to again, the acting.
Oh, I'm thinking about Margaret.
Margaret is a legend.
You're a hit.
No, no, she's so good.
She's so good.
And she also knows, like, I don't even know how to say this,
but she's exactly pitch perfect on playing both realities.
Both realities of someone who,
because the thing about these characters of Sue
and Elizabeth is they only ever really talk to each other.
No, actually they never talk to each other.
There's moments of like interaction,
but like both to me and Margaret are having to be in dialogue with each other when There's moments of interaction, but both me and Margaret
are having to be in dialogue with each other
when they're solo, which, you know what I mean?
Yes. I mean, well, they are one person.
So that actually, that was a part where I was watching the walk
and I'm like, okay, so if when you watch the movie,
and by the way, if you're totally in the dark
about what this movie is, it's about Elizabeth Sparkle,
who's an actress who turns 50,
and she has like a Jane Fonda workout class.
Like that's like her gig now,
but you get the sense that this is what she's had to do
because the Hollywood industry has done
what it's done to women and she's now too old.
So she's finishing one of her classes and it's her birthday
and she gets the word without saying too much
that because she's old, they're going to fire her and
replace her with someone younger. So on the way home, she gets into a car accident.
She goes to the hospital and this like young nurse says to her, like, he passes on this thing
called the substance. And the substance is something that you can take to create,
for lack of a better word,
a younger, better version of yourself.
And there are strict parameters
in which you can alternate between your current self
and this younger self.
With the caveat being, remember you are one being.
Like, while new matter is created
and then you can occupy that new, younger,
more beautiful matter,
you have to always remember that you are one being
and one consciousness.
So it's a really interesting exploration of what happens
when you hate yourself so much that you actually start...
It's just, she loses grip on what's on the rules
because she so enjoys being the Margaret Qualley version of herself.
And it does, there is like this weird binary created between them,
but they keep being reminded they are one person.
So it's actually this weird, like,
also kind of an examination of like mental illness and true dysmorphia.
The movie's doing a lot. like also kind of an examination of like mental illness and true dysmorphia. Yeah.
The movie's doing a lot.
Well, the movie's doing a lot.
And then like any time she faces a consequence,
it is so good at leaving you in the audience
a little bit unsure.
I think in a purely intentional way,
not in like a plot holy way.
It's like, you don't know whether it's
a scientific consequence or if it's something that is like
nefariously being carried out by like whoever is behind it.
It's just, I love it.
It doesn't have to see it.
Yeah, I mean, I think everyone's seen it except us.
But honestly, though, like, I never know because, well, you can, I guess, stream it now on MUBI.
And I had no idea that Bowen was a Mubi lover.
Well, Matt finds out that I subscribed to Mubi,
and then he goes, that's A-list. I go...
I believe it's A-list to be a Mubi subscriber.
You at home can be a Mubi subscriber and feel A-list, I guess.
I bought the film on Apple iTunes.
That seems A-list to me as well.
You think it's A-list?
I think everyone, readers, publishers, KDs, finalists,
I need to see Matt Rodgers in the Criterion closet.
Oh my God, I just watched Pam Anderson's,
which was great.
Oh, she's so good.
She's so fucking smart.
She's so smart, she knows so much about film.
What did she pick out, like Umbrellas of Sherborg
or whatever?
Well, she's picked out the film Wanda,
which is like a big...
I've now seen The Last Showgirl, which I'll talk about in a second.
I really want you to see it too.
I took my ass down to The Angelica.
And how...
Which side of the theater were you on? Right or left?
Left, actually.
That's my big, I don't think so many things.
I love Angelica, obviously. Institution.
I do whatever I can to support it.
It's tough for me.
It's tough for a lot of us to be in a theater
that has a middle aisle.
I just gotta say, center aisle is tough.
It is tough.
In terms of the layout, I was not loving.
It's okay.
But it's okay.
It's not a knock on Angelica,
it's just a knock on that seating arrangement
in theaters the world over.
They could never make me hate Angelica.
They could never make me hate Angelica.
And though they try,
because the seats do need a little bit of a sprucing.
And that bathroom can use a little bit of a sprucing.
I dare not even go in.
Oh.
But I just shit myself right in the aisle.
Girl, girl.
There's space, no one's using it.
But I saw, so I saw the last show girl
and cause I'm excited for Pam.
I'm a Pam super fan.
Oh yeah.
I saw Chicago opening night with Pam.
You saw Chicago opening night with Pam. You saw Chicago opening night with Pam
and you, we are both huge fans
of the opening scene of Scary Movie 3.
I mean, come on.
All of Pam's work.
You okay?
You okay?
Kau says, moo.
Dude.
Dude.
Dude.
I mean, I'm a Pam fan.
And Lesho Girl's great.
No mentioning Jenny McCarthy.
Sorry, let's keep going.
Not mentioning her.
Not mentioning that one.
I just mentioned her.
What we need is her take on the fires.
Oh God.
Substance or Last Show Girl?
So Substance still.
I mean, like I-
It's our favorite movie.
I knew I liked Margaret Qualie.
You wanna know why?
Yeah, tell me.
Because have you seen her Kenzo ad?
Yes.
She dances in for a commercial for Kenzo,
which she's everything.
And you know, she, cause I'm now a bleach,
I'm a bleacher super fan.
Of course.
She's in the music video for tiny moves by bleachers.
And it's just like, just watching her be a stunning dancer.
And I have to imagine like all that dance background
went into the performance here.
Just so funny, so smart, so committed.
And to me, this is what blows me away about The Substance and their performances in The Substance.
Can you just imagine getting that script and reading it and being like, you know what?
Yeah, three months of this for sure.
I get it.
I see it. And I'm willing to commit to this,
despite the fact that that could have been a huge disaster.
Well, she's had... She says that she had the same feeling
reading that script as she did reading Ghost,
where she was like, this might not work.
This probably won't work. It starts as one thing, it goes into...
It's like, they pitched her Ghost and it was like...
Could read Goofy.
It's a rom-com thrill, it's a romantic thriller.
Yeah, ghost story supernatural.
It's multi-genre.
Which the substance is as well.
Just the distillation of the tone of this movie
is all in the billboard for the big New Year's Eve show.
Oh, God. Bowen is screaming laughing.
I was in tears just being like,
this is so perfectly executed.
Yeah.
This billboard of Margaret, of Sue in this stupid fucking dress,
head askew, the New Year's Eve show tomorrow, 9 p.m.,
which implies that they put that billboard up
for one day the day before day on December 30th.
And then the next day, new billboard tonight, tonight, 9pm.
By the way, these billboards cost like that location of the billboard that they're insinuating
easily.
Easily.
And it's just so funny because you could choose to watch this movie and be like, wait, what?
It's getting screenplay honors?
Like this movie is goofy.
Can!
Because the tone is so perfect from the second it starts to the end.
And it's totally original. It's unlike anything.
That's what I said out loud to you at one point during the movie,
where I was just like, I've never seen anything like this.
And what a fucking statement that is to say.
You know who I spent...
Not about me, I'm just saying about us in film.
No, 100%. You know, I spent like,
probably two and a half minutes of my Seth Meyers interview
talking about the movie.
Oh, by the way...
It was the first thing I said. I was like, okay.
So, he was like, Golden Globes thoughts?
I was like, yeah, we gotta win Demi Moore and Oscar.
We gotta win Demi Moore and Oscar.
Like, period point blank.
You were so great on Seth, by the way.
My two act legend.
By the way, can we just...
They did give me two acts.
I felt really excited about that.
You're getting many more acts because...
You mean?
Guess who's excited about your...
Who?
Seth Meyers.
Oh, really?
I just saw him for this shoot and he was like...
Well, I don't think people know about that yet.
Okay, then I can't.
Well, we can blur that out,
but there's something exciting coming up.
Something very... People are going to be very happy. And... I'm excited about this. I think people know about that yet. Okay, then I can't. Well, we can blur that out, but there's something exciting coming up.
People are going to be very happy.
And I'm excited about this.
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You know, it's actually driving me? Just to go into some personal stuff.
So I still have the blonde.
I'm like over the blonde.
I want to be brunette again, bad.
But I have to keep my hair growing out for something.
For something.
And so now I'm like, do I go somewhere in New York and have them dye my hair brown?
No, it's really not.
I just wait this out. Until you finish the thing?
Because I need to have brown hair and long hair in the thing.
I... Yeah, get a colored hair.
Get a colored... That could be interesting.
It could be so interesting. Or you get it shorn off now.
And then have it grow out.
Remember in college when I would do black?
I remember the black era.
You don't like that. I gotta be honest I would do black? I remember the black era.
You don't like that.
I gotta be honest with my sister and say
I was not a huge fan, but it was right for the time
because you were once again deeply committed to a role.
Okay, I won't dye my hair black.
I think it's just because you have black hair
and you're jealous.
You don't want me to take your crown.
It doesn't go with your skin tone.
You are nasty. You are a nasty.
You're a nasty A-lister.
And rude.
You are a nasty A-lister.
And rude.
And you have your movie subscription and you think you're all that.
You need to get on Criterion Channel.
I feel like I'd get in the...
Yeah, I do need to get on Criterion Channel.
If I went in the closet, I'd be a drift. You would not. You know film.
Perfect Blue, et cetera.
Yeah, Perfect... The film.
It's Perfect Blue Criterion.
It is not Criterion.
They don't have any Satoshi Kon in Criterion,
which is actually kind of crazy. They should.
Well, Criterion, we know you're listening.
We know you're listening.
We love you. We're fans, by the way.
Oh, my God. I had a little Criterion kicker of the holidays
and I watched Take Out by Sean Baker.
Ooh.
And it's so crazy how there is this consistency
in his vocabulary as a filmmaker
and the way he is so solid and confident in a realism on film.
Like, it's the same thing, it's the same preserved shit in Enora,
where you're like, there's just something about the dialogue
and the way it's written and the direction
that he finds it in the edit probably,
because he's an editor.
Like, just Take Out is so, if you can believe it,
similar to Enora.
It's obviously, like, he has, you know, working class people
in all of his films, but it's like...
The thing about takeout is, like, it's this everyday
operational thing at a place that you...
That is kind of invisible to society, right?
Like a strip club or a Chinese restaurant.
But it's like, the goings on, the day-to-day goings on
in those places is a huge...
A hugely important thing that defines character,
and that the characters,
the protagonists in these films are driven
by like a survival instinct, you know?
Like, I'm sorry, I'm being so, I'm talking out of my ass,
but it's the same, it's at the bookends of Sean Baker.
It's like from Takeout to Enora, I'm like,
God, just a filmmaker who is,
who understands what he's there to do.
Yeah, I mean, you call it the working class.
I would say his films are about the barely working class.
Yeah, yeah, totally, totally.
His films are about the barely surviving class.
And I think that with Enora,
I was watching an interview with Mikey,
actually it was the Hollywood Reporter Actress Roundtable,
which was great this year.
And she was saying,
because the whole table kind of turned to her at one point,
she's very shy, she's very reserved.
And it's interesting to see her performance in Enora
and then see her in real life.
Like, she's just a talent.
And I'm a big fan of hers.
But she was saying that it's a lot of improv.
Like, that he'll just run the camera.
Like, for example, in that first sequence when-
He just ran the camera, right?
Yeah.
And she just kind of had to create ways
in which her character would try to pick guys up.
And if you've not seen it,
or I don't know what we're talking about,
it's Sean Baker's film starring Mikey Madison
getting a ton of Oscar buzz.
Some people may even call it a front runner
in many categories where she plays a stripper
slash sex worker
who gets involved with this like, you know, very wealthy Russian oligarch son. And they
have a whirlwind romance, which is short lived. And then there's a very harsh reality to the
situation. But she, she really like, I guess that's a thing with Sean Baker's movies. It's incredibly collaborative between the performers and him.
Because he also gets, he has casting credit on his movies.
He has edit credits at all this stuff in a way that I'd be interested to see how that makes casting directors feel.
But like this guy is totally in charge of what he's putting out there.
And yeah, it's interesting.
It's like two different movies.
Totally.
Are you talking about like,
Onora is like a split attitude?
Totally.
It has that quality of like,
but it still works in like this traditional
like three act structure.
It's like, oh, like it all falls into the same,
like marks or whatever.
It's like you have fun watching it like all his movies
and then you leave heartbroken.
Of course.
Did you see Red Rocket?
I never got to see Red Rocket.
Oh my God, Simon Rex and I shared a plane one time.
Really? I love Simon Rex.
I love him.
He's so great.
Speaking of Scary Movie 3.
Scary Movie 3, baby!
Finally, finally getting the flowers.
It deserves for being an important foundational text
for comedy, for film, for so many things.
Well, you know, actually, The Last Showgirl,
which when you see it, you'll know what I mean.
The Last Showgirl, by the way, it's directed by Gia Coppola,
Francis Ford Coppola's granddaughter.
The Last Showgirl, I was saying to Patrick Rogers,
who I saw it with, The Last Showgirl was like a
Sean Baker movie entirely through like a female gaze.
Right, right.
And it was just an interesting thing to see
in quick succession.
But I don't even really know what my point is about that, but it's just...
Scary movie three.
Scary movie three, yes.
One starring Pam Anderson and one starring Simon Rex.
Yeah. And hopefully we'll see Anna Faris's...
Oh my God.
By the way, heart goes out to her. She lost her home.
I mean...
I just think we are ready for the Anna Faris, like, a song.
Oh, I've been ready.
I have been so ready that I don't think there's,
I think there's few people that are that big of a fucking star.
To be totally on the nose,
I like watched Lost in Translation again
on my way to Japan.
Oh God, she's so great in it.
She is so fucking good in it.
Yeah.
You watched Lost in Translation on the way to Japan?
Yeah, I was like, I have it on,
I was like, I have it downloaded on my iPad.
I was like, it's been a while.
That is so funny.
You know, my interesting thing
that I would love to ask Sofia Coppola about is,
you can tell that that entire movie,
it's like, it is a platonic thing,
and then it becomes a little bit romantic at the end.
For anyone who hasn't seen Lost in Translation,
I'm sorry to spoil, but it's like,
I wonder if that was the thing that like,
Sofia kind of got like, pressured into doing,
or if that was an artistic choice. I also wonder if that was the thing that like Sophia kind of got like pressured into doing
or if that was an artistic choice.
I also wonder if it was an improvised choice.
They like, they kiss at the end.
Do they? I haven't seen it in a while.
It's like a very like, it's not like a gross kiss,
but it's just like, it's a kiss and it's like romantic.
And maybe it isn't, maybe it is a platonic kiss
because those exist, but like, anyway, I don't know.
I just like, I just think that movie is so great
when it's just purely through the lens of like,
these are two lost people who find each other
and their company is all they need.
And it doesn't have to be sexual or romantic or anything.
Anyway.
That was Scarlett Johansson's moment
stepping into like an A-list.
Because she was, I remember she got like two
Golden Globe nominations, which by the way,
congrats to Sebastian Stan, who finally got his flowers
and thank God because I'm proud of him
and he's working hard and he's just,
what a guy.
He's just our fave.
He's our fave.
I was really, really, really happy for him
that he got something because again,
and what he said is true.
He's like when his speech, he was like, we can't be afraid of this type of.
We can't be afraid to make art and talk about art because that's like a bad sign.
We're in bad dire straits.
If we start to be like, well, you can't say this, can't say that.
I mean, already you see the normalizing Ms.
Underwood. Oh, Like it's just interesting.
It's just kind of fascinating.
It's really interesting.
It's really interesting.
You think about it, I'm smoking a huge cigarette
that's eight feet long.
Do you have anything else to say about the substance
other than it is the best movie of all time?
Really, it's one of my favorites.
It really is one of my favorites.
And it's so gross, you guys.
It's disgusting, which is the whole point.
But am I crazy?
Like, obviously, there's so many visual references
to The Shining.
No, I don't think you're crazy at all.
In fact, I didn't pick up on them
until you were pointing them out throughout the film.
I mean, like, the pattern on the carpet,
the bat, like, her coming in that bathroom,
literally looking like the old woman.
Oh, the prosthetics in this, first of all,
hair and makeup Oscar.
Oh, please.
There's no question.
I think honestly sound.
Oh, the sound, please.
This has to be a directing nomination too.
And the script, and both of them.
Like, it's crazy to me.
And tell me if you feel the same.
To watch that movie and be like,
this is an Oscar contender,
is exciting and insane.
Because I was talking to Seth about this.
It's like, I love that it's not an Oscar bait movie.
Yeah.
No, that's the thing too I love,
is that not one person involved picked that script up
and said, you know, this is going to get me an Oscar.
No.
And again, rubric,
could anyone else have done it better?
There's something very special about Demi in particular taking it on.
And let's just speak about her for one second.
And I told you when the sequence started, which was her going back to the mirror, there's
a sequence where she, in the middle of the substance process, has like second thoughts
and she is preparing for a date with this guy that she meets and she just keeps going back
to the mirror because she's so insecure
and hates herself so much.
The specific rage and hatred
with which she looks at herself in the mirror
and the really quiet performance,
because she's not in dialogue with anyone.
No.
But she carries this whole thing,
like you don't emotionally miss a second of it.
It's purely about the interiority of this hatred
that you have with yourself.
Yeah, yeah.
That you're just like, and also even just the way,
like Demi's very long, dark hair,
like there's something like really specific and dark
about every frame of the movie,
and she's the perfect center for it.
Because of her lived experience, yes,
that she brings in her acting, but also just like,
it just feels like this was the role she was born to play,
and the experiences that she's had,
like, uniquely prepare her to take on this role.
And then the casting of Margaret Qualley, too,
is like, you'd fully believe that's her younger double.
You believe that they occupy that same thing.
And it's great.
It's a triumph all the way around.
And the directing and the specificity of the shots.
Ten.
So I'm saying, like, all these Shining references,
you could not have asked for a better modernization of Dorian Gray.
It is, it even ups the ante of that with the final act of the film.
It's like, oh, well, that is the most perfect choice
to have the story go there and then just show it on film.
Yeah.
I love it. I love that movie.
Thematically, too, so interesting.
Like, the substance really speaks to like
This new revival of Sunset Boulevard
Which and then I was seeing last showgirl it speaks to that like just a lot of exploitation
Yeah, you you brought up a big chain. It's like oh, it's it's all of these things. Yeah, and also
I think people might block at the fact that it was like and also there's like tons of reasons to block whenever like the Golden Globes
were, however the categorization goes in terms of the award stuff, like, you know,
are these actual supporting actors like, is this really a comedy, et cetera?
This is an amazing comedy. It is a total satire on
exactly where we're at in the culture right now in the way that... And that's another
thing too, is it's like, I'm sure it helps to be a woman of a certain age to really understand this,
but we all know what it's like to look at ourselves and hate what we see or like...
Because that's another thing Demi talks a lot about in the press that she does for the movie,
is it's like so much of what rang true to her was the violence that we do to ourselves.
It's less about the messaging from the media and stuff,
and more about how we accept and believe and act on those things.
And that is, I think, what I recognized.
It's like, yeah.
It is society to some extent, but it's not just...
You would be irresponsible to say that it's just that.
No, it's like a red flag from society,
but then, like, you have to take ownership over what you are doing
and being like, okay, this is good for me, this is bad for me,
I can tell the difference, but sometimes you just fall too far.
It's sad. I mean, even the last sequence of the movie
is incredibly over the top. It's sad. I mean, even the last sequence of the movie is incredibly over the top.
It's heartbreaking.
I know.
Like there's specifically one moment
where there's like a little bit of dialogue
from the character and it's sad, it's heartbreaking.
And then the last image of the movie is deeply heartbreaking.
I love it.
But also so funny and genius.
It's so funny. Oh my God.
We said Oscar Award.
Academy Award.
Speaking of awards.
How are we going to get Salt Lake City this season in Emmy?
It needs a key body.
Yeah, it needs something of high caliber.
Nobel. Yeah, Nobel.
Culture Award.
The way that you can expect to see the Housewives
of Salt Lake City back at the Culture Awards.
This is, this is.
The part when I say my feelings.
Two seasons in a row of.
Tens.
Tens, tens, tens, tens in television.
The Brooke Ashley was emotional in her recap.
I need to watch Brooke Ashley.
Did you watch her recap yet?
I didn't, no, but you know we love Brooke Ashley.
First of all, Meredith Marks,
for saying lies and spreading lies.
Hey, enough!
You disgust me!
I can't believe I have you in my home!
In my home. In my home.
In my home.
Mary, get her, Meredith.
Get her, Meredith.
We haven't, it's been several weeks,
so we haven't been able to really impart.
If you're, if you're still not watching The Housewives
of Salt Lake City, you're not doing life right.
You're not doing life.
The way I'm encouraging Matt to let go
of this self-identification is not being a horror fan. If you're not doing life. The way I'm encouraging Matt to let go of this self-identification
is not being a horror fan.
If you're not a Bravo person, if you've identified as,
I'm not a Bravo person, you have permission to let that go.
You are missing out on something truly special.
Wouldn't you say?
I would say, Mo. I would say.
I think that, again, like, the way that they operate as a cast,
also, like, put some respect on Britney's name.
She really is that crazy.
I mean, I was sending a video.
You guys, I just love the safe placement of all of her anger and grief.
You guys, this is ridiculous.
She's a singer. I've never taped in my life.
I'm in shock.
I mean, she must return.
She must return.
She has earned her keep.
Absolutely.
Meanwhile, how bored were we last night watching Potomac?
Oh, it is.
It started off strong and now it's just boring.
And can we say sad and tragic.
We wish Karen Huger the best, but the something is not timing out
correctly if she has allegedly been in rehab for weeks,
but also was seen at Kathy Hilton's holiday party.
And she's missing the reunion.
Anyway, we're getting into breast.
We're getting into...
We just wish Karen the best,
and because clearly there's not everything is right there.
And so, honestly, well,
if you're a fan of the Housewives universe, like, and you're
in it, you know that you probably saw the video of, like, her arrest after drunk driving,
which was not the first time.
And I just, I don't really understand thinking you could plead not guilty based on what was,
became readily available to the public.
But again, that just makes me feel like clearly there's someone that really needs a lot of
help. And if she's getting the help, regardless of the situation,
then that is good.
Yes.
And our commentary does not matter in that regard.
Oh, is this the script for Challengers?
Oh, yeah.
Gag. Okay, so you're up to date on your WGA dues.
I just paid mine.
Well, girl, and then we expect the...
Ooh, this would be fabulous to read.
You wanna read it? You wanna borrow? You actually do. read. You want to read it? You want to borrow?
You actually do. Have you already read it or you're not gonna?
I have not read it, but it's been sitting there too long.
You know what I mean? Like, take it.
By the way, not enough challengers in the Oscar discourse.
Seth Meyers, and I'm just kind of parroting
what Seth Meyers just said to me hours ago.
Well, we love him very much.
And he actually...
I love that.
He will be winning another...
He will be winning another culture award.
He was saying, Josh O'Connor, where's all the love for him?
Oh, now he's just gaybaiting.
He's queerbaiting.
How dare he?
And officially, you know what?
I'm retracting everything.
Seth Meyers, how dare you do this?
You can't be all these things and then be like,
look, Bowen Yang in the eye and say,
I can't believe Josh O'Connor's not getting love.
Like, how dare you?
You're trying it. And you don't think we see'Connor's not getting love. Like, how dare you? You're trying it.
And you don't think we see it.
It's working on me and you.
Oh, please.
When I go to that show, I'm just like, hehehe.
He's the best.
He is the best and effortless.
And can I say, when you go on that show,
you get like a special card before you even.
His penmanship.
That's exactly why I brought it up.
The man's penmanship is a late night host's penmanship.
A masculine, yet classy...
Stylish.
Stylish...
Thriller.
Thriller. Oh.
His penmanship is a stylish thriller.
Is a stylish thriller.
That's actually Real Culture number 88.
Seth Meyers' penmanship is a stylish thriller.
You know that man has letters that are being kept in a book.
I hope they're published one day.
I hope they publish. His letters to Alexis.
God, you know, I just hope that his letters are published.
And one more, one more chic thing could you say about someone
than that one day you hope their letters are published.
He was wearing a suit.
I'm sure he was.
And the entire room was like, my God,
we're so not used to him being in a suit anymore,
but God, a man has never looked better in a suit.
No, it's actually a shame for the world
that he doesn't wear the suit every day.
But you know what though?
He also can rock a crew neck sweater.
It's not fair.
I'm saying it's not fair for us as crew neck sweater wearers.
We can't compete, but it's also not fair for us as an audience because we don't see him. We want to toggle back and forth. When he's wearing the suit, we want to see him in the sweater.
When he's wearing this sweater, we want to see him in this suit.
And it all comes down to the truth, which is we just want to see Seth Meyers.
Period. Bars!
Bars. So was it just you and him today doing a photo shoot?
No, it was...
Was it many members of the West End Hill community?
It was me, the great Seth Meyers, the great Kate McKinnon,
the great Leslie Jones, the great Kenan Thompson,
and the great Molly Shannon.
Wow! Okay., fun little group.
Fun group.
Nice collection.
Yeah.
How's Molly?
Molly's so good.
Oh, she was asking about you.
She did?
Molly.
I love her.
We were comparing notes about Japan, our Japan trips.
She went with her family.
Oh, did she just go to Japan?
She went a few years ago, but it's her favorite place.
And the thing I have trouble with is just remembering names in Japan especially.
And she was just able to just rattle them off the top of her head.
And that is a woman who knows...
And she's so cute.
She goes, you know, the hotels I booked, booking.com.
Like she was just...
Booking.com.
I went on there.
Which is, oh, how's Matt?
Oh, how is he? He's so good.
He's so good.
I literally... She is so classic.
How's your mother? It's good that you and your mother are close. It's great. It's really good that you're with your is so classic. How is your mother?
It's good that you and your mother are close.
It's great.
It's really good that you and your mother.
It's great that you guys are close.
It really is.
Oh, really?
Isn't that funny?
Isn't that funny?
I said to him, I was like, I think that's so funny.
I think that's so funny.
Wait, I, oh my God, I'll text her.
Doesn't Seth look so good in a suit?
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Not a single word more without you telling us about your Japan trip. Jesus Christ! See,
there were so many other things and this is truly a comment on the speed of culture moving
by us at such a pace. Yes. Please talk about your trip to Japan. I'll keep it short.
No, tell them everything you need to know
because you were having such a fabulous time.
I was so happy.
Was from the moment I got onto the Pokemon themed plane.
Matt.
Let that sink in.
It burst open the seal on my,
my whole life has led up to that trip.
My whole life has led up to that.
Cause you're not really the kind of person that's like,
oh my God, let me take a picture
of the little accoutrements on the plane.
But I was-
Like you were taking a photo of every knickknack.
That flight looked so cute and gorgeous.
It was a cute, gorgeous flight.
Some of the best food, period.
Kawaii.
Kawaii.
What do you think kawaii means?
Super cool, Super cute.
I mean, super cute in Japanese.
I listen to Love Age of Music.
Well, you know, you go to Japan. You were saying this.
You go to Japan and I'm like, I get why Gwen did that.
How could you not be obsessed with this?
She was inspired.
You walk through Harajuku and you're like, I'm doing an album about this. Doing an album about this. I'm doing a big pop record about this. Yeah, she was inspired. You walk through Harajuku and you're like,
I'm doing an album about this.
I'm doing an album about this.
I'm doing a big pop record about this.
Superlapa!
Like that song is A plus.
Oh, my God. I just.
So what were the highlights?
The highlights, I mean, it's it's tough to cut it together.
Sean Baker, I am not.
I cannot edit this down, but it is, it was literally, like the moment I got there,
I get a text from Eric Nam, wonderful, wonderful artist,
person, he's just like, oh my God, you're in Tokyo?
Like Atsuko Okatsuka, the legend,
former Los Colos guest is here.
Love, love, love.
Atsuko and Ronnie Chung are here,
we're doing karaoke tonight.
Come meet us.
Oh my God.
We go to Shinjuku, me and my friend Jake, who's there.
Shout out to Jake.
If you're in Williamsburg, if you need a nice
short men's haircut.
The guy's booked, he's busy, but,
I teach you, check out his salon.
Hands down, the best vibe in Williamsburg of any place.
Did karaoke with them.
That's so fun.
A little 11 yearold boy was there.
Ronnie Cheng's 11-year-old nephew was there.
This boy who freaked out when he saw Eric Nam
because he loves K-pop, he loves Eric Nam.
Freaked out, we all sang, there was a full back line.
Monica, shout out to Monica.
Our friend Monica took us to a pro wrestling match,
not a sumo match, a pro wrestling match in the Tokyo Dome,
which is also where Taylor Swift performed the Eros Tour.
Yeah.
Um, and the entire time I was thinking Taylor was just there.
Um, I mean, all of it, just going to,
just seeing the sights, the shopping,
oh, Joshua at the Orly store,
we got a beautiful experience there.
I mean, the food, it's like France.
It's like, they hold in highest regard their culture, like in terms of like the mean, the food, it's like France. It's like they hold in highest regard
their culture, like in terms of like the film and the television. Like, think about like,
just think about like Japanese film and like, like the caliber of that, the food, the hospitality,
the fashion. It's all very French. It's like they're, they're like the French in that they like
really care about this shit and making sure it's delightful. And we have to go.
We have to go.
We're going for my birthday, period.
And we're going and I was sad about that.
I canceled my last minute Disney Sea trip
because there just wasn't enough time
and it was just stressful.
It was like the busiest domestic travel time in Japan.
It's New Year's week because everyone has work off.
But I was like, no, this is better
because the first time I go to Disney Sea and Disneyland
and Universal Studios Osaka will be with my sister.
Let's block out like a lot of time.
Yeah, I was gonna say in the beginning of November.
Or end of October.
I don't need to do Halloween in the States.
Girl, who does?
Who?
None of you do.
None of you do.
Think about it.
When they keep saying Christmas gets longer,
I said, yeah, I hope it eats Halloween right up.
Oh!
That way I can get started earlier.
Make more coin.
Make even more coin than I ever have.
I'm coming for you. I'm coming.
September, the month of August,
slipped away like a bottle of wine
because I'm drinking it.
The Prince of Christmas, bitch.
We haven't reflected.
We have reflected on post Prince of Christmas tour.
Have we?
Actually, well, first I want to say it was the best it ever was.
I know I said this at the end and I was really looking forward at the end.
It was kind of it wasn't even bittersweet
to end it because I was like, we fucking nailed it.
I'm so in love with my band and those boys, Henry, Ethan, Jordan and Derek love them. We had the best time.
And if I'm already booking for next year, truly,
I will figure out ways to make it even better next year.
Wow. It's hard to top.
Hard to top.
Like me in my late twenties. Yeah, I mean, that's true.
But anyway, like, okay, speaking of, it wasn't hard to top me at all in Miami.
Even after my accident, I haven't talked about this on the pod.
You were throwing neck after the accident, babe.
So I finished the tour.
I go home for a few days to Long Island to be with the folks. Yes.
And then I go to Miami thinking, actually, like we've planned it enough where it can
be like kind of a low key Miami trip.
Get there.
No one realized it was gay circuit week.
So I go that night to a party.
I'm not going to say where I'm not going to say what party because I don't want to cause
any trouble.
Oh, oh, you're so thoughtful.
There were wet stairs.
I absolutely bit it.
Shut.
On some stairs, landed on my tailbone.
I know secondhand, you guys are probably wincing
and in pain hearing me talk about this.
Yeah, it was bad.
Bruised tailbone at the very least.
It honestly may be broken.
No.
Because it's actually been two weeks now.
Yeah, man. Two weeks now.
Almost to the day. Yeah, almost.
No, yesterday was two weeks when it happened.
And it's still actually I worked out for the very first time today at Barry's
just to see what I was capable of.
Can't do abs or anything where you use like that part of your body
as like a fulcrum because it's it's still very painful.
And can I ask you did not see a professional?
Not yet because...
That's what Michael Fisher was asking me this morning.
He was like, but has Matt gone to see someone?
I was like, I don't know.
So it is getting better.
It is getting better, but the thing is with a tailbone thing.
And first of all, I know I love you readers
and medical professionals that are gonna reach out.
I really am okay.
It's just discomfort.
Like there's nothing you can really do
for a tailbone bruise or even break.
You kind of just have to wait it out.
And I'm okay.
It's just uncomfortable to sit or lay down on your back,
which is like kind of-
Your favorite activity.
Really my favorite stuff to do
after I've like completed
The tour and New Year's I got back and I was just like oh god
And so it's been a very uncomfortable couple weeks, but I will say it did not stop me from getting it in that's amazing
I'm so happy for you. I am too when there's a will and
There was a big and there was a big I, I'm in like another horny era.
Great.
Are you?
Maybe.
Expand.
Like it's been presented.
Oh.
Like opportunities have presented themselves.
In New York?
Sure.
Sure.
And I'm like, yeah.
You could take it or leave it.
I could take it or leave it.
I shouldn't take this.
That's actually powerful. No, I wish I was it or leave it. I could take it or leave it. I shouldn't take this. That's actually powerful.
No, I wish I was more enthusiastic about it.
I'm like that about everything.
But it's the holidays, you know?
I'm like, oh, I feel like I can like, I mean, this is such toxic thinking, but I'm like,
give me another month to like get myself right.
Just in terms of like, I'm still bouncing back from the holidays and this trip, honestly, where I'm like, let me actually not be a dog.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, 100%.
No, I, cause you were just doing a lot of scheduled stuff,
so take it easy.
I honestly feel like the second dating becomes like,
you know, a bunch of activities
or like things on the schedule, like pull it back.
Let's pull it back.
It's become a lot of activities.
Who even knows where they're at?
Totally.
I don't know where I'm at.
I thought I was last year all throughout the year,
I was like, oh, I really want a boyfriend again.
I want a boyfriend again.
And now I'm like, maybe you don't.
Like maybe that was just something
you were telling yourself.
Yeah. Well, you know, I'm still in husband search.
Yeah.
But if he shows up, I'd love that.
You can't just marry anybody.
You can't.
That's what I figured out.
Well, I guess I think you can, but.
Wait, I think I had a dream the other night
that I got married.
Really?
Yeah, I had like a dream that I got full on married.
And was it amazing or was it like, whoa?
No, the whole time I was like, wait, what?
Why did I do that?
Yeah.
To a woman maybe. Oh, that's fun. was like, wait, what? Why did I do that? Or to a woman maybe.
Oh, that's fun.
Definitely recently, this is now coming to my mind.
There was definitely a dream recently
where I got married to a woman.
That's amazing.
Yeah, and it was like a whole thing of like, well,
how are we gonna make this work?
You'll make it work.
I guess.
Hmm.
All right, is there anything else before we get into?
I mean, literally there are other things.
There's so many things.
Traders?
Oh, loving the traders this year.
I will say this.
I did not...
So we had heard a false spoiler.
We heard a false spoiler and I think it was falsely relayed by the person.
Let's just say.
Let's just say it. we had heard a false spoiler.
At the Culture Awards.
That, and we won't say who relayed the message,
but we had heard a false spoiler
that Bob the Drag Queen was out first.
That is definitely not true.
And that is certainly not true.
And not even out, first of all, okay,
spoiler alert for the traders.
Bob the Drag Queen is one of the traders.
Yes. And I love it as a choice.
Yes. I don't know Danielle from Big Brother too much.
We obviously know a lot about Carolyn, of course.
And obviously, Rob Mariano, Boston Rob is a full reality television legend.
I think the cast actually is better overall this year than last year.
Oh, sure.
Because it feels like they're playing the game and less like on a reality show.
Yeah, yeah, yes.
You know, I think there is.
What a fun opportunity for a course correction in terms of like a collective,
like this cast is maybe they were given a note or something,
but like really play the game this time
and don't worry necessarily worry about like the drama.
Right.
Of it, yeah.
And I think that that is to this season's benefit.
Yeah.
Who are you rooting for?
We're rooting for Bob, we love Bob.
So you're rooting for the Traders.
I'm rooting for the Traders because,
and I love Carolyn so much
and I think Carolyn is playing it right.
Carolyn is doing it right.
Danielle and Bob, I mean, they're both doing too much.
They're doing too much, but we still root for them.
Who else?
Crichelle, we love seeing Crichelle on TV.
I want Crichelle to win the show.
Oh, so that's who you're rooting for.
You're rooting for the Faithfuls.
Crichelle's my pal, so I'm rooting for her.
Yeah, totally.
And of course, Dolores Catania, my number one.
Your number one.
And I love Dolores here as well.
Dolores?
I just want to put out there that based on this them video that Matt and I did, it made
it seem like I was an anti-Dolores in any way.
No, no, I think you were just surprised.
I was just surprised that your number one housewife was Dolores.
And I said Dolores.
And then maybe that made her think that, or people think that I don't like her.
I adored Dolores Catania.
I think you were just surprised.
You were surprised to hear me say that Dolores Catania was my favorite housewife
of all time, which I can understand, because I don't think I'm like always spouting
about Dolores because and I think it's precisely why she's my number one is because
she feels very at home when she's on television.
She reminds me of all my mom's friends.
Oh, that's so beautiful.
But how what about this statement?
Meredith Marks.
Because I think especially after last week on Salt Lake,
one of the best housewives of, there's enough.
There's no question.
She's had enough seasons on her about now five,
where she's done consistently great work,
where I go, she is one of the ultimate best.
She's done iconic things in every season.
Yep. She's done iconic things in every season. Yep.
She's done iconic things in every season.
And again, we say this with equal love
for friend of the pod, Angie Katenevis.
And Heather Gay and Whitney Rose.
And I just, I love...
These women.
I will miss these women so much.
It's not over yet. But I'm counting it.
It's like we've got the finale this week,
and then we've got, you know, three reunions.
I heard, but here's the thing.
I heard we have a phenomenal finale,
and a really, really real...
Andy said stellar reunion.
I love it.
And they looked good.
They looked great.
I love the pink and the red.
I do hope Miami comes back with a force.
I need them.
We'll see.
I need to have this...
It's this sphere of empty. I need to have this, it's the sphere of empty.
I need to have that empty filled up
once Salt Lake leaves.
But Meredith Marks absolutely is making the,
is just on the Mount Rushmore.
Oh, certainly.
I mean, Meredith is great.
From episode one or two of I'm disengaging,
like the hits keep coming.
I think next ultimate girls trip,
we do need to have Lisa and Meredith go.
We need Meredith there.
Like Meredith there, and also Lisa has earned it too.
Of course.
First of all, you know what I noticed about Lisa Barlow?
The character game that she plays, like, is so strong.
She, every single time, she gives you exactly what you, if you were to logically sit
down and be like, what's Lisa Barlow going to do? She does it every single time. And it's always
satisfying. I just feel so deceived. Literally. So deceived. The first scene of this is her sitting
down to text everyone, I'm really thinking about last night and how I was wronged.
Like not taking accountability over anything.
Not that in that situation she particularly needed to,
but like she goes, I know we're gonna talk about it
on the way to ATV.
And then she explains she chose ATV
because she Googled luxury activities.
All that mattered to her was that it was a luxury activity,
not that it made sense for them.
I said that's housewifery.
And at the same time to have a diet of trash.
I mean, this is just, it's-
It's a great TV character.
You couldn't write a better person.
Unless her name was Elizabeth Sparkle.
Unless her name was Elizabeth Sparkle.
Unless, I thought you were gonna say
unless her name was Elizabeth,
what's her face from Anatomy of Lies?
Elizabeth Finch. Finch.
Elizabeth Finch.
She too you couldn't write.
Peacock? Give it up for Peacock.
Oh, do you want to know what else I watched? This is not on Peacock, but I watched...
You might love this actually.
Tell me.
Jerry Springer.
Oh, I started it.
There's a two-episode thing.
That guy. Not Jerry, but that producer who came in.
I mean, that actually has major producer who came in. Oh yeah. Whew. I mean that actually has
devilish.
major implications on the culture.
Of course.
Like it made trash populist.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It revealed the appetite that people would have
for tabloidy, sensational types of stuff.
And it's like Roman Colosseum shit.
Yeah.
It's like primal, it's this thing that like human beings will respond to.
Yeah.
That ultimately opens the door to Trump.
And it all started with that KKK episode.
Insane.
And also, I actually didn't know that one of the episodes led to a horrific murder.
Right.
And keep watching it because by the end of the second episode,
you're like sad, but I do think there's something about that show
that is like important and speaks to the culture
and why we're at where we're at.
I always viewed Springer as like, um...
I mean, obviously, it's like a distressing, troublesome,
I'll say the word, even though I'm slightly rolling my eyes,
like problematic show.
Right.
But I was always comforted.
Jerry Springer knew how to like, ring it in at the end and be like, this was the message
of this episode and take care of yourselves and each other.
That way to smooth it over at the end.
I mean, it's an important alleviating thing that he understood he had to do at the end. I mean, it's... But it's an important alleviating thing
that he understood he had to do at the end of each trip.
And that was his catchphrase when he was a news anchor.
Did not realize he was a professor, right?
He was like a professor.
He's a fascinating person.
He was a mayor.
He was the mayor of, oh my God, yeah, of that town.
Right. I don't know either.
But he had a very interesting background.
And then... Cincinnati, I think. Right, Anyway, I don't know either. But he was he had a very interesting background and then
Cincinnati, I think. Right. Yeah.
But then he became a host of a daytime show.
And it's funny because I don't know if you've gotten to this point, but they show
like the first or second episode of his show.
And it was literally like so it was like what everyone else was doing.
Like Phil Donahue.
And they were like literally like number 18 of 19 shows in daytime.
And they were like, okay, we need to drastically change this.
Let's try this other flavor of programming.
And then obviously the rest is history.
But fascinating.
But Springer was like a huge part of my day.
When I would like, when I would like...
Because we didn't have cable, as I say.
And so huge part of my day growing up,
when I would like stay homesick.
Wow.
Because they would just play it back to back.
And your parents didn't come in and were like,
turn this off?
By the time they got home, it was just me.
Oh, right, right, right.
It was just me at home, or my sister,
but like, you know, we wouldn't be sick at the same time.
But I would just like be sitting at home,
in the summers especially, I would just like be at home
watching Springer, and then it would go from Springer to Bob Ross.
Like what a fucking whiplash.
I could never get anything past my parents.
Like it was, and then randomly they gave me a TV
in my room in high school, and I was like,
okay, this is a wild swing left,
cause I was just watching like,
remember when E, you don't remember
cause you don't have cable,
but E would show Howard Stern.
Oh sure. This is like the era of Anna Nicole Smith and like Howard Stern, like being on
E. And so I watched so much garbage and trash, like at the time, how I filed it
away in my brain.
Now I love Howard Stern cause he's rebranded, but it was just so funny to I
was a sheltered person in terms, like they would would never, ever allow me to watch South Park.
To the point where I started to be afraid of the show.
Like I had like, it was like a trauma.
It was like a trigger whenever it was on.
My cousins would watch it.
And I'd be like, I can't watch this.
Were you ever, have you ever been a South Park guy?
I should honestly get into it now.
It's pretty amazing.
Cause I love the movie and I love Trey's pretty amazing. Because I love the movie
and I love Trey Parker and Matt Stone.
I know, the movie is amazing.
And also there are some episodes of South Park
that are like just pure brilliant comedy.
Yeah, but at the time, because it was like, you know,
the things that they said and like the Kenny dying of it all.
My parents were just like, no, you can't watch that.
Do you watch the episode where they have the counter
at the bottom of the screen for how many times they say fuck?
No.
That's an amazing episode because it just goes somewhere brilliant.
Do you ever watch the Vagisil episode?
No, I've not seen any of it.
Where Cartman...
Cartman becomes like a better runner.
Was Cartman big for you?
This is South Park for me.
Was... I was in the third grade in Canada.
And me and my friends, I mean, somehow these like...
I was able to watch episodes of South Park at home.
My parents were like, what is this? Oh, whatever.
Like, they couldn't totally understand why it was vulgar.
Like a dialogue, like they were vulgar things.
But then, um, my friends and I, and the third grade,
like these, like, French-Canadian, middle-class, working-class kids,
like, I guess their parents loved South Park too or something,
and they would watch South Park at home,
and then we just all thought we were the South Park kids,
because we were, like, in a cold town, like, bundled up.
There is, like, a weird one-to-one there.
Yeah, there was like this like fat kid,
and he was like, I'm Cartman.
And then we all loved it so much.
And then when I had to move,
when I told everyone I was moving to Colorado,
they were like, oh my God.
You're gonna be South Park.
We were going to South Park.
And it was this huge.
You were going down to South Park.
I didn't think I was gonna live.
Yeah, I think this.
I feel like. So then going to down to South Park. And then you had the... And then you had the... And then you had the...
I feel like...
The Ramsey Man.
So then going to Colorado with South Park on the brain,
it was just like the only thing that made...
Like the move to Colorado was so complicated
by like Jomaday Ramsey and Colin Mayen.
Oh my God, yeah.
But then South Park was this other like contour tour
where it was like, but at least it's like,
it's where all these weird things happen.
And that is true.
Like Colorado is a weird place.
It has all of the bizarre shit
that would go down in Florida,
but with this hippie-dippie counterweight to it.
I fucking love South Park so much,
and we need to watch some classic episodes.
And the movie, one of Sondheim's favorite musicals.
Really, he said that?
I feel like we talked about this on the podcast.
I probably know that somewhere.
On the record, he's like,
that is one of the best musicals,
one of the best movie musicals ever.
I mean, I'll never forget.
I actually did, well, I have seen that movie many times
because I just, I don't know,
for some reason I've seen the movie a bunch,
like, and I downloaded a lot of this,
like, shut your fucking face, uncle fucker.
Like, I used to listen to that all the time,
but also Blame Canada.
Blame Canada.
Robin Williams' performance of that at the Oscars.
I remember it being unforgettable.
Oh, it's also because the actress who played Kyle's mom
soon after the South Park movie came out,
took her own life.
There's a lot of like like, South Park is really...
I mean, God, it's still going.
Like, it's such an important piece of culture, literally.
And like, it's so funny that we haven't talked about this
before on the show.
I think it's because it's a weird blind spot for me.
Yeah, that's interesting.
They weren't helicopter-y, but they were just sensitive to...
Like, I couldn't watch MTV and I could not watch South Park.
Hard no.
And it literally, it weirdly made me fill those spaces
in with other things.
That's interesting.
That I think does inform my cultural...
VH1, which was the MTV stand-in.
And then what's the stand-in for South Park, you think?
Like, The Simpsons at least?
But I'm not even a Simpsons kid.
Like, what was it? Honestly, I watched a lot of like,
I watched a lot of Nickelodeon.
I watched a lot of Nickelodeon and Disney Channel.
Yes.
Like I was, it's interesting to see those things
get relitigated, cause you're like, oh.
Like you're like, absolutely, this is crazy.
Right, right, right.
It's interesting, like children's programming at the time.
You know what I'll say about South Park?
At least they weren't pretending to be for kids.
Like a lot of this other shit
that was like explicitly marketed to kids
and was all fucked up and really endangering the people,
the kids that were performing that stuff.
At least that weren't like, it wasn't like nefarious.
Like South Park was what it was,
it never pretended to not be.
Totally.
I know there's like a, there's like a-
And genius of them.
There's a purity to that, of intention.
And to bring it back to Peacock,
great documentary on Peacock came out already,
I thought it was new, but it already apparently came out
a couple of years ago called,
I Love You, You Hate Me about Barney.
Oh, interesting. And about the culture
of Barney bashing that I didn't really fully know about. But I remember growing up, they're like, oh, it was like cool? about Barney. And about the culture of Barney bashing that I didn't really fully know about.
But I remember growing up,
they're like, oh, it was like cool to hate Barney.
It was like punk rock to hate.
Well, because it was so popular.
But not only that, but because it's the,
one of the actors from Blue's Clues,
they interview him and he, his theory is
the reason there was such a crazy collective anger
towards Barney was that it was targeted towards three year olds
specifically, right?
And like the creator of Barney was this mother
who wanted a show for her son.
Why didn't you do that?
And it came in the form of Barney
because he was obsessed with dinosaurs.
And I mean, Barney is pure, I love you.
You can do anything.
We love each other. The messaging is so smooth brained,
and there's no nuance to it.
And the guy who was in Blue's Clues was like,
all great children's programming has broken people
and broken characters in it.
Like Sesame Street, like Burton,
especially Burt, broken person.
Even Oscar the Grouch.
Oh, yeah, D.P.
Like, there are these complex, emotional...
Cookie is a drug addict.
Cookie is a drug addict. But not no, though, you know what I mean?
Like, children's programming, when it's done well,
and it's for the large age demographic,
it is, like, these emotionally complex characters.
Yeah, that's a really interesting point. And like same with Big Bird,
it's like a little bit depressed.
It's like...
Yeah, he is depressed.
There are these like layers to it.
Barney was...
Clean up.
Pure clean up, pure like...
Everything is happy.
And so that drives anyone outside of that age demo insane,
because they're like, that's not how the world is. And a lot of parents were jealous that their kids loved
Barney more than them. So then it began this entire culture around,
fuck Barney and like burning Barney effigies. Like it was a whole thing in the 90s.
Whoa.
This is a great documentary.
I have to watch it.
You have to watch it. I love it.
We also have to do our own documentary have to watch it. I love it.
We also have to do our own documentary
on the Barney to Amelia Perez pipeline for Selena Gomez.
That is Selena's autobiography.
And Demi, Demi Lovato was,
I don't know, was it Demi Lovato?
It was Demi Lovato.
Yes.
I think it's really interesting that we're gonna,
we actually are writing a film
about the Barney to Amelia Perez.
About the Barney to Amelia Perez pipeline
and how you get from one to the other.
I do think Carla Sofia Gascon is incredible.
Extremely versatile performance.
Yes, yes.
And demanding performance.
I love it.
I think she did a cover recently for a magazine
where it was like the movie has inspired a lot of love
and hate.
Carlos Sofia Gascon thrives on both.
Ooh.
I was like, that's kind of chic.
Yeah, the takes have been very strong on that movie.
Yeah, yeah.
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Shall we do I Don't Think So Honey? Let's do I Don't Think So Honey.
Here we go. First, I Don't Think So Honey of the new year.
But one thing that hasn't changed is what I Don't Think So Honey is.
It's a one minute segment where we take 60 seconds, which actually is a minute,
if you think about it, even for more than one second, which is just one 60th of a minute.
Where we rant and rave against something in pop culture that we are not jamming on.
And I actually I think I want to put something to bed right here on the episode.
OK, here we go.
This is Matt Rogers putting something to bed in his I Don't Think So Honey and his
time starts now.
I don't think so, honey.
Any more jokes about holding space?
We're done. It's a new year.
We've turned the page.
Literally, Nikki Glaser tore up those Golden Globes.
We're so proud of you.
She did the last holding space joke.
You're not gonna beat her.
You can't beat that.
You can't beat tonight.
We celebrate movies and hold space for television.
That is the last holding space joke.
And now it's becoming a thing where it's like,
people are like, we're holding space.
And that's taking the space of a joke. Just saying holding space is not a joke.
So we need to really think about, do we want to continue this narrative?
The answer has to be no. All respect to everyone involved was a fun moment.
Oh, so fun.
But holding space jokes are done.
15 seconds.
We are no longer holding space for them. Even that was too much.
No, no, no. You were just using it in a sentence.
No, I don't think so, honey. Any more humor about this.
Five seconds.
Because it actually isn't jokes. It's humor.
And I don't think so, honey. Humor over jokes, hard jokes only. Go, Nicky.
And that's one minute. You put it to bed.
It's done.
It's done. You lowered the casket.
Nicky Glazer, we're so proud of you.
We're so proud of you, girl. Congrats on your gig ongoing.
Because they will have you back.
Oh, yeah, you're coming back.
Because that's how it works.
Because best case scenario, if you kill at hosting
an awards show, they go, do it again.
Yeah.
And that is kind of great, but also torture.
Shout out, Matt Whitaker wrote on the show.
Oh!
Just so great.
And I have to say, my favorite bit of the whole thing was popular.
And that was from the brain of Matt Whitaker.
I love popular.
I love when I started.
I love that the bit was...
Wait.
This sucks?
This sucks?
What do you mean this sucks?
But she sounded good.
She rocks.
Nikki!
You don't just see Taylor Swift. 22 times.
Was it 22?
It was 22.
You don't just see Taylor that many times
and don't have your shit together for your eras moment.
Of course.
And I just love the way Nikki,
let's say justifies going to see the eras 22 times.
She's like, I don't have a kid.
I don't go to nice restaurants.
I don't buy handbags or luxury clothes.
I go to Aeros.
This is how I choose to spend my money.
I went six times.
Go off.
Go off to you, my sister.
I went six times.
Spend your money however you want to make yourself happy.
And I will continue to do that.
As long as other people are not suffering
because of that,
you're fine.
If you're not gambling your life away,
if you're not taking your money
for your child, partner, whatever,
do whatever you want with it.
I took myself to Japan.
Which, you know.
And I have no fucking regrets.
No, nor should you.
Nor should you ever.
Not ever.
Not ever.
And I hope the same is true. After you do this, I don't think so, honey.
I have a kind of specific one, but I think we all have experienced this and I hope this
is legible.
That's a bad sign, right? I hope this reads.
You said, I think this is something we've all experienced and you hope it's legible.
I know you're gonna do it.
This is Bowen Yanks,
I don't think so honey, his time starts now.
I don't think so honey,
Instagram or TikTok ads that are staged
as like a fake podcast.
Do you know what I mean?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Where it's like two people and a mic being like,
I just tried this new creatine gummy.
What's it called?
It's so clearly staged, it's so clearly actors.
I don't like that.
Or it's like, I'm learning a new language with this.
I just, first of all, I don't like podcasts being used
as advertising material, period.
Believe it or not, Matt and I have been doing this
for a long time.
30 seconds.
It's so funny to be, it's an interesting time
in podcast, because I would not say you and I are like,
podcasters in the way that like podcasters denote something now.
We're not like in the Manosphere.
We're not quite in like, I don't know, we're like not quite like a showbiz podcast, but we're not quite like a pop culture comedy podcast anymore.
We defy categorization.
We defy categorization.
And I don't like it when people use our form and medium to create, to try to sell and shill for bullshit.
And that's one minute.
The amount of ads we have to do after this is so crazy.
That's different.
That's so that we can keep the lights on for us.
But if someone is aping our shit to fake, like, an organic conversation
about how much they love to use, like, a UV phone sanitizer.
That's weird to me.
My God, all those words.
But you know what I mean?
I do.
That's what, that's the error.
Well, I just don't like anything fake in any way.
It's like stupid.
It's crazy.
This is a thing.
And I know for a fact that people are experiencing this
on their scrolls.
I'm like, this is a weird fucking thing.
Why are we pretending that this is a podcast?
Well, probably also, like, who knows if it even
is actual human beings doing it.
Like, now, the AI.
We want to say thank you to whoever it was that voted for us
to be nominated for the iHeart Podcast of the Year.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Hopefully, we might win a second time.
We might be like Hilary Swank.
Oh my God.
Or think about that.
Meryl.
Well, I hope that people stop faking.
I really hope people.
Do you have any resolutions?
I think we're over.
We're too old. Do you have any resolutions? I think we're over. We're too old.
Do I have any resolutions?
Like, honestly, my resolution...
I think I had one and then I was like,
it's always like pretty vague.
It's like, care less what people think.
Sure.
I think I need to keep doing what I'm doing.
Keep doing what you're doing.
That's my resolution.
Don't change a thing. I wouldn't change a thing.
Neither would I for you.
Honey, my resolution is,
my year-long project is to make this playlist.
That I just want to have on while I'm cooking,
cleaning, chilling.
Make a life playlist.
It's not a life playlist. It's called my nighttime playlist.
And it's like my wind down, like good.
Because I was just in every bar in Japan I was at,
and I didn't go to that many, but there was just like,
there were so many nights where I would just be like in like
just the most beautifully decorated place
and the vibes were just sublime.
The music was like an Ella Fitzgerald song or something.
I was just like, oh, I need to like...
Curated.
I need to, but I need to like draw this out for my own life.
I need like fun international music. Not that Ella Fitzgerald is international, but I need to like draw this out for my own life. I need like fun international music.
Not that Ella Fitzgerald is international,
but you know what I mean?
Like it was just like, I just want like music to just...
I think there is...
It sounds so silly when you say it like that.
I think there is a definite chance.
That you will create this.
I think there is a definite chance.
We didn't name this episode.
That's kind of beautiful.
What if untitled?
No, untitled.
Fine.
What do we do?
What do we call it?
Throwing neck.
Throwing neck.
This is episode one. Throwing neck. Throwing neck. This is episode one of-
Throwing neck.
Throwing neck, our ninth year.
Wow.
As a podcast.
2016, 17, 18, 19, 20, one, two, three, four,
you had this.
Five.
Well, I mean, like, if you,
but it has not been a full decade.
Like it'll be a decade when we hit 2026, March 2026.
We have to throw a big party for our 10 year anniversary.
Where should we have it?
Hooters.
I think there is a definite chance
that we will have it at Hooters.
Oh my God.
That'll be amazing.
That'll be amazing.
The Times Square Hooters, is there one?
I don't know anymore.
There's one in Toronto.
We can do that one.
Oh, we could do that. Yeah, that's a good one. I think there is a definite don't know anymore. There's one in Toronto. We can do that. Oh, we could do that.
Yeah, that's a good one.
I think there is a definite chance.
Should we call it definite?
Should we call this up as a definite chance?
Or throwing neck?
Throwing neck.
Throwing neck.
People will love to see that.
Oh.
You want me to throw neck?
You want me to throw neck?
And before anyone jumps on our case, we've given credit to Delta Work a million times
for popularizing the phrase.
And we need Delta Work on the podcast.
We need Delta Work on the podcast now.
We need Delta Work, Demi Moore.
That's it.
And Cookie Monster.
And Cookie Monster.
Look for those.
I think that's a good, that's a resolution for us.
Look for the heroes. Look for the helpers. Look for those. I think that's a good, that's a resolution. Look for the heroes.
Look for the helpers.
Look for the helpers.
We end every episode with a song.
Many years I have waited
for a gift like yours to appear.
While I predict the wizard may make you his magic grandmasire.
My dear, my dear.
All right at once to the wizard.
Tell him of you in advance.
With a talent like yours,
there is a definite chance.
If you work like you as you should,
you'll be making good.
It is one of the great moments of culture.
Bye.
Bye.
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