Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Matt & Bowen In Conversation with Betty Gilpin"

Episode Date: November 15, 2023

Bowen and Matt in conversation with Betty Gilpin on October 22, 2023 at 92NY for a conversation about all things CULTCH. Bonus episodes are available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistas.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home

and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I

see. Wow. Wow. Look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Hello.

Hi, everybody. Oh, my gosh. What a crowd. What a crowd. I thought he said that the chairs were the microphone. He's like, the chairs are the microphone. He did make it sound like the chairs were the microphone. I bet they're not. He said they were going to be like magic

and we didn't have to do anything. And we had to pick this up. No, but it's still magic. Is this magical, Walt? Everything is magic. We're just kidding. We love you. Hi.

Hi, you guys. Hi, Betty. I am so excited to be here. Here at the 92nd Street Y where culture is mother and here I sit with and here I sit with two lil bros oh my god you know you know here's what I know the razor-tongued legends to my left have made the deserved acrobatic leap from pop culture commentators on the Solo Cup sidelines to pop culture icons on the Golden Hilltop. We are all so proud. And your individual accomplishments in every possible medium are so impressive and storied,

be it music, film, television, bonobos. But tonight is a night for the readers, Katie's publicists and finalists. All of whom are represented tonight. So I just want to welcome one more time Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. It's like, it's beyond wish fulfillment to have you here i mean like this is when we started the podcast i think it was like a way that we could get together and just talk about the things that we loved and it came from that place and then when you became a true topic on our podcast because of

our love for you and then you came on and it was just, I think this moment in the podcast that we both look back on as one of the highs of doing it. And I just, I mean, if you guys know the mad maggots and magic episode of last culture is this, it was like three people exploding of joy. And I just, I,

I just, it's just the coolest that you're doing this. And we just think you're the coolest and, you know. Oh my God. Well, I know, I feel like if you're a reader, you feel this way where the magic of your podcast is you make sooties of us all, where it feels like we are,

it's just the three of us sitting somewhere, but you're like, all right, I'm with headphones and they don't know me, but I'm talking with them. And, you know, I think I've had this experience with other podcasts before where when they get really successful, there's this little like, oh, it's not just me anymore, but it has never felt that way because joy and your friendship is so the basis for everything. And it just is the bedrock. So it never feels like you're turning out to the audience or it's a performance.

It just always feels so authentic. And I just feel so proud. And yeah. Come on. We're just a piccolo and a bassoon over here. We're not, that's our timbre and that's all we bring

is just we're two squawking voices and somehow, somehow that's transmuted into something really so meaningful to us and yeah, that's it. I something really so meaningful to us. And yeah, that's it. I sound an octave lower than I usually do. And I think it's really working. The real you.

Yeah, the real me. But the change in your voice is so real. Oh, over the years of the podcast? Yes. I don't know if you ever go back and listen to really old ones. But one time I went back and you were piccolo-ish girl i yeah yeah yeah i was piccolo you were piccolo-ish yeah and i was sort of like a hyper piccolo oh got it like what's a hyper piccolo like helium i guess helium piccolo piccolo and now we've matured

yeah into like sort of i'm losing piccolo to be honest yeah well it'll still go but it's it's not it's more sure it's the years wait let's go back to the beginning hillary duff if we may um hillary come on out hill um talk to me about the beginning. Where were you? What were you? Who were you? Like where, what were your apartments like? What were your dreams like? What was happening? And how did you come up with the idea to do this?

I, why have you done this? Yes. Yes. There is like a, there's a new detail in this, in the origin story that I think is really important, which is that I remember that it was at a Think Coffee on Mercer Street. Oh, my God, yeah. That Think, that's like an iconic thing.

That's an iconic thing. Is it still there? Yes! Yes! You were there today? How is it? Fuck off! Do they still have like the most... Coffee? Do they still have like...

Coffee? Do they still have coffee? They have the most beat up board games. It's fine. No, I went every day to think coffee on Mercer. Well, we used to record on the corner of Mercer, where Dojo used to be. These are for my own.

Yes, Dojo. And when they got rid of Dojo, or they replaced Dojo with like a knockoff Dojo, that was very hard for us for the community so we went to school around there and like we i think it was it was at that think coffee that we sat down and we had like a google doc this is all coming back to me now too we literally were like okay what could ideas for the podcast even be because we we thought for a second it was going to be like a choose your own adventure. A classic Bowen Yang idea.

Logistically impossible idea. Like to go down, to go to the library, go to episode 952. Like it's that's crazy. Why did I ever think that could be? And I was like, what if we talk? Yeah. And then I think it was was this but literally out of necessity of needing to have segments um like our producers forever dog which is where we started um and we yes we and um they said like well can you have some segments and we came up with i don't think so honey because it was something that we would just say to each other whenever we thought

the other was being not right yeah not right like oh yeah I don't think so honey no sweetie no sweetie is like the addendum that's kind of gotten chopped off it was I don't think so honey no sweetie

no sweetie has gotten lost to time yeah kind of the Katie of I don't think so, honey. No, sweetie. Yeah, no, sweetie has gotten lost to time. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of the Katie of I don't think so, honey. Yeah. Yeah. But no, sweetie was definitely in there. And then we had another segment, which was the culture of the week.

Yes. Which is where we said what the culture of the week was. And it was always Disney related. And the bit just wasn't landing. It wasn't landing. Every culture of the week thing was an element of the Disney parks. Yeah. It was like,

turkey legs one week. Yeah, we did turkey legs. Tower of Terror another. Yeah, of course. Just highlighting the culture. When did you start having guests? Or from the beginning? Yeah.

From the beginning. The second episode. Our first guest was Anna Dresden. Yep. And a very good friend of ours. And then, I think, I think we only started having no guests

like four or five years in like during the pandemic yeah was where during lockdown was where we were like okay this is it's harder it's both harder and easier to book people but let's just like if we can just get on a zoom then like that's what's the that's what the easiest thing is i think i'm getting this timeline right yeah it felt like the pandemic was this moment where the podcast got like a weird and this this feels so weird to say, but it really felt like, how are we going to keep doing this? Because I remember Bowen had gotten Saturday Night Live and I had moved to LA and it was like this question of, how are you going to do the podcast? And I was like, well, I'll travel back and we'll always be in person because the podcast has to be in person. For sure it can't exist if it's be in person because the podcast has to be in person for sure it can't

exist if it's not in person right and it was like this thing of we had made this decision and then the world made a decision for us that we were going to have to be virtual which ended up being this nice cool thing because then we could reach out to people regardless of where they were in the world because everyone now had Zoom proficiency, and they could log on and be our guests from anywhere, which was fun for a minute. Yeah. It's still fun.

Yeah. I still don't mind a Zoom guest. But Matt... Matt hates it. I'm just so happy that you're both back in New York. I love it. It's where you belong. Are you a lifer here, you think?

Yes. Yeah. So am I. I think I've realized I'm a lifer here in leaving. In leaving, I've now come back and I'm like, because it's like, it is true. Like you talk about that Think Coffee, like where you recorded the podcast.

I remember when I had been away from New Yorkork for a couple years because of the pandemic i had come back um actually to do the bonobo shoot and wow oh i could say a lot um but but i was i got a little high and i was it was raining for the shoot yeah for the shoot, no. For the shoot. But I remember I was walking. You want to be free for a bit. Exactly. It's like, use the space. Something they really said.

Something they really said. We could have been high for that. Totally. Yeah, totally. It was a very straight. They were lovely. That was a great experience. It was so fun.

There was flamingos. Anyway. Real flamingos? Yeah, totally. It was a very straight. They were lovely. That was a great experience. It was so fun. There was flamingos. Anyway. Real flamingos? Yeah, there was. No, no, not real. Not real. There was plastic flamingos. Lawn flamingos.

Plastic. Yeah. But I remember I was walking around New York, and I hadn't been there in so long, and it was raining. It was February or something, and I was feeling cold on my skin in the rain and walking around the lower east side where we went to school and just

seeing all these landmarks like oh remember when that happened there that happened there you'd only have history here because I kind of we both kind of grew up here and then I got really emotional and I was like this is my home you know like we're all so lucky that New York is our home and I just feel like

you know I'm again very happy to be back as well. Welcome, welcome. But in LA, there's no memory like you don't see, like there's no emotional landmarks in LA. There have to be. There's barely any emotion in LA. Wow.

Here's my question. As you guys have gotten so successful. Delete. Betty's doing the new AMC ad. Delete time, delete time. I'm shocked that you can't hear a filter in the podcast. That like now that you are are have more ears and eyes and uh i just

am so pleased that you don't seem to censor yourselves at all probably could more but i love it it just it just um it's just getting better and better. And I wonder how do you protect that unfilteredness? As do you just try not to think about that more people are listening to you? Well, I think the fact that, so to go back to the think coffee, the fact that Matt's idea was, why don't we just talk? I mean, that is the lowest concept idea, but in the best way. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Oh my God. Yeah. That's what, that's why it works, people. That's why it works. The reason we've kept doing it is because it's the easiest, like most turnkey thing. It's like, besides culture, the only thing that's gone is culture of the week.

That's the only difference from the from the beginning of the podcast and i think the reason i the reason maybe there's i think there's a little bit of a filter there's just there's a light gauze of a filter on the show now maybe because i think we we don't want to like run afoul of anybody or necessarily it's weird to want to be in the industry that you have so much shit to talk about. Yes. Right. You know what I mean? And we were doing it backstage. You know what I mean? And we were like, oh, this will be just this without shit talking people. But it's funny because like things happen and then all of a sudden you meet that person.

Right. And it's weird. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah, can you ever tell that their publicist is like, just so you know, they said your show was written by third graders.

And let me say, a show I would die to be on. Same! It's like a 90s primetime soap. It's amazing. Thank you for saying that because finally today, I was like, you know what it is? It's just a soap. And it's actually quite a good soap. Yes.

Because on a soap, like, who wants to hear about, like, people's drama that could really actually happen? No! I want to hear that bradley jackson was at the insurrection yes of course i want to hear about that of course she should go to space i forgot oh spoiler alert betty's watching it by the way well i've told them i watched all of season one have skipped skipped season two, and last night started three. Yes. So I've seen Bradley in space.

Oh, okay. But I don't know why she's there. Why is she there? Okay. She was supposed to go to the border. Do you want to hear my theory? Yes. This is my theory. Okay.

So I think Jennifer Aniston was supposed to actually go to space and i think that was where her and the john ham of it all was gonna take off and i think that that was like actually pretty heavy-handed metaphor um that they at the last second either bailed on because they didn't have enough for Reese in that episode or Jennifer said I don't like how I'm gonna look in the space thing right I don't want if I'm floating around I can't like turn my face yeah it feels like something Jennifer Aniston said yes I want to go to space and then said at the last second no I don't want to go to space because that turn in the episode didn't make sense, which strengthens the series overall. Yes.

Right. I agree. And I think I understand the draw to Morning Show in that I feel like right now in acting, there is a real war on choices and stakes. It's a lot of, to me, sleepy status in movies of like, I'm better than you and I'm a little sleepy and I'm just trying to get through this day. And on the morning show it's like everyone is going for it. The highest

stakes, like at war with the camera and their scene partner. And I, as someone who doesn't, I don't watch Housewives, but I do understand the like, sorry. There were some gasps and it's okay. Like we turn around and like Bryn Whitfield is here. Yeah. But I do feel like those are Blanche Dubois women

playing to the mezzanine in a sleepy status world. So that I understand. Morning Show is a show of Blanche Dubois, for sure. It's just, honestly, like, when I realize it's Wednesday, I get so excited. I get so excited, especially because all season long, I've thought it premieres on Fridays. So I was waiting till Friday, and then I found out,

oh my God, there's a new episode that's been out for two days. When did you find out? No, I found out on a Thursday. Okay, so this is why it was good. It's because I thought it was coming on Friday. Then my friend Abe said to me, you know what comes out on Wednesdays. You can watch it now.

I left hanging out with him and went home and watched it. It is so fun. And I heard that what happens in the finale is the craziest thing the show has ever done.

Wow. And I'm so happy this has taken up this much time. Has someone told you what happens already? No one's told me what happens Because I told Let's just say I met someone in the wild

Who works on the show And so I had a litany of questions And were they offended By what you have said about people? Okay They thought it was very apt Okay And they were like

They were like Yeah And I just heard a little bit About the inner workings In a way that I'm obsessed with Oh my god very apt. Okay. And they were like, they were like, yeah, and I just heard a little bit about the inner workings in a way that I'm obsessed with. Oh my God.

That unfortunately goes through a filter because I can't get out here and say. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy.

We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian and Basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day.

See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s**t we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian.

Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami.

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story,

as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm sure you have been asked and answered this a million times, but to go to the way

beginning, have you already answered this a million times, but to go to the way beginning. Yes. Have you already answered this a million times? What is the culture that made you say culture is for you? Wow. I think we've both said privately to each other, like our answers change all the time. Yeah. I think you have, I'm a little bit more like,

I don't know, not as defined. I think that. Charged eye contact across the rim with hot actors. With hot actors. Yeah. Yeah. The only time that's happened. Yeah.

I think mine are like very mainstream millennial in that like I, so American Idol was a really big deal for me because I loved music and music is actually what I love most of all. And so... Why is that funny? It's true. The way they laughed so hard. No.

Have You Heard of Christmas? comes out November 3rd. It's true. I said I won't stop until my Wikipedia says, Matt Rogers is American comedian, writer, actor, television host, and recording artist. And then I'll stop. No, but anyway, when I was watching American Idol

at like 11 or 12 yeah sure it was definitely the Kelly Clarkson of it all it was it was a big for me there was the rooting for like you know this incredible powerhouse talent but for me what was so exciting about it was when they would do the theme weeks of Motown and 60s music and 70s music and 80s music and I suddenly had like a vocabulary for all this music history to the point where I then went into school and my art teacher was like today we're going to listen to Aretha Franklin and I knew all the songs and that's when I realized just how much music was out there and how much I loved every genre and I think

it really got me very interested because I'm the kind of person where when I love something, I have to know everything about it. So for that, I would say that was really the... And then honestly, like a lot of people that ask like, what's your comedic influence and sensibility? I can answer that question, but there's nothing funnier to me than the way some of these people sing.

People on American Idol? Like, okay, so at an American Idol performance, like, it would usually end with, like, a sustained belt. And that is so funny. Or, like... It was the style back then it was yeah and the mariah celine whitney style of singing like i or just like the existence of pop stars in spaces i think is so funny i think that is why ultimately i am sort of like doing as this bit that's become real like me as this like pop star is because i do think that there's something really funny and i've always thought there was

something really funny about like capitalism and pop music and like the Christmas thing. It's just I just think there's something so funny about it. And so to embody it, I think does connect to who I was as a kid. Yeah. And so that's what I would say for right now, like in my life, the culture that moved me, that like literally brought me out into the backyard and like I would sing and I thought that no one could hear and I wished to be on that show and, you know, I wanted to perform, but it was at odds with where I was growing up and that tension, like I can really directly trace back to that show, which doesn't feel very special

because that's everyone in America. That's our age. It doesn't happen. We're American Idol. No, but there is something that... You were voting every week and watching every week. I was voting every week. Yeah. And sometimes I would vote for everyone just to get one person out. Wait. I would vote strategically and politically.

Wait. Vote for everyone but one person? Yes. So it brings their, it just, it fucks the numbers up. Wow. I was, so basically Jennifer Hudson being eliminated radicalized me. Wow. To game the system.

It radicalized me. Incredible. John Stevens was my enemy. And this means very little to anyone. Season three. Ants were calling me after Jennifer Hudson was eliminated, asking why. And I was like, I don't know, Emorine.

I'm trying to figure out myself. And were you watching, like, by yourself? Were you with Chelsea? My family loved it. My sister, actually, to give her credit, was the first one to say i like kelly and i was like no it's tamara it's about tamara and then it so clearly was about both of them but it was about kelly right i remember she saying stuff like that there on big ben week and i was like i was with my grandmother and my grandmother said that is the most talented person I think I've ever seen.

And I was like, I think you're right. I was like, I think she's such a star. I'm obsessed with her. I love her. And then, you know, years go by and like... Yeah. Were you ever going to audition for American Idol? I would never have gotten to the place where I was comfortable enough with myself to do that.

But I remember the second season, there was a contestant named Matt Rogers and he still hangs out to this day like he's like hosting stuff on like CMT and stuff but I remember when he went out and auditioned I was like well now I can never be on the show right and it was the first time I knew what like a situational depression was right but it was American Idol for me. It consumed my life. And then other things like when I watched Lost, I knew I wanted to write television and, you know, just the culture of Long Island has really

seeped into my bones, but. Yes. Yeah, so that's what it is for me. Beautiful. Fabulous answer. Mine, I'm gonna say parallel track of like pop worship was this Taiwanese artist named Teresa Tang and then at the same time Celine Dion because it was Montreal. She was our god and you know, we would like go into, we would do field trips downtown

and go to the cathedral and it's called like cathedral notre dame or something but we just as kids knew it as the church where celine got married to renee angelil and it was just watching her on tv and like watching her switch from speaking english to speaking french singing in english singing to french it blowing my mind that someone was bilingual even though I was bilingual like wild and it was something really fucked me and like this is true for all of us like when she put out that video this year about her her illness like it was I I um I sobbed and I'm not a sobber, but it really fucking destroyed me because this is someone who, God, means so much to people.

And then to go, and then with the whole Titanic of it all, I got to bring my, give it up. And mom and my sister were in town a couple weeks ago. It's the only piece of theater that I can take my mother to where she would understand what was happening and appreciate it.

She knows Titanic, she knows Celine Dion. It's monoculture for like a Chinese auntie, you know? And that, I mean, that is like incredibly meaningful that like you get to like share it up and then it gets downloaded back onto you or whatever. Like my mom was the one to like put on celine on the tv and so i think it's celine i love that american idol celine get this so i was too i too was obsessed with celine at like seven and then there was this other pop diva her name

was mariah carey and i remember at the, this is how you know that Stan Wars are actually something that's deep within us. I remember feeling so threatened by Mariah Carey because I was a Celine fan. And then when I actually realized what Mariah's deal was, I was like,

I'm jumping ship. That's my girl. Like, The Divas Live with Mariah, Celine, Shania. Gloria. Oh, yeah. I mean, Aretha. I mean, that was, like, the best night of my life. Yeah. To be a PA at Divas Live must have been the most terrifying experience possible.

We need that again so badly. Yeah. Yeah, we do. Like, we need Ari. We need Kelly. We need that again so bad. Yeah, yeah, we do. Like, we need Ari. We need Kelly. We need who? Olivia. We need Beyonce. We need Gaga. Oh my gosh.

What a ripe time. Yeah. Maybe Rihanna would come in and, I don't know, present if she doesn't want to sing. It's not that we don't want to hear her sing. It's that she doesn't want to perform. We all heard what you just said. Okay, and when did you know this was true love? I know that at first you bumped heads famously,

but what was the first conversation or in-joke or moment where you were like, ooh, this is different? When was that? Well, we say it's... so this is really what happened um i was invited by a friend on my on my floor freshman year to to go to a sketch show hammer cats uh at nyu and she was like and my friend bowen is gonna come and he is in the improv group so if you want to eventually be in the groups, you should meet him. Like, he is great.

He's my friend. We have class together. And so we met and went to the show together, but there was this little Kylie Minogue tension. Because I think, you know what's really interesting? Like, I can remember the moment where I met all of my best friends. And I clock it and I remember it. And I always remembered that.

And then it wasn't, we didn't start really hanging out until we both were on the groups. And there was like a commonality in that we had this interest which was doing comedy at the school. We had all these friends. And then we also had like a shared language, I think just from being... Gay.

Gay. Yeah. But then like, when did we know it was true love? Well, I think that, well, I was always like, here's the deal, the real deal.

And you know this just from knowing Bowen. But I remember the very first time I ever saw him perform. I just thought he was like a supernova. Like I was just like, I was so like shocked. Like it was so exciting to watch his energy. And like,

I was just like, wow. Like, and I, we were already friends, but I had not really seen you do a comedy performance and like your energy and just what you bring to a stage and a group of people it just was elevating the mood of everyone in the room and I think I sensed something in that because I think that something that I try to um take with

me every single day is it's my job to make people happy and provide levity and provide joy and i knew in that very moment i was like he gives me a lot of joy and there was something intangible about the joy that everyone in the room felt when he was doing what he was doing and that's such a superpower and like a sixth sense that you can choose one of two things you can be afraid of that and jealous of that and want to push it away or, like, you know, hate it because you're not it or you don't think you are. Or you can be like, I want to be closer to that person. I want to find out more.

And then the luckiest... The luckiest thing that ever happened to me was that, you know, at least he says, he felt the same way about me and what I do. By the way, when the microphones are off, I am telling this person how fucking amazing he is. Well, I'm just saying, it's like when you have that type of feeling towards someone

and then they say, you know, like, I look at you like that. Like, I feel this way about what you can do. Like, it just makes you feel like you can. Because, and I was just talking today to someone about how, like, when Rachel Bloom won the Golden Globe, we were at each other's. Yes. We were at my apartment. And I was, we were watching. We all remember where we were at each other's we were at my apartment and I was we were watching we all remember where we were

yeah but I remember like we watched her win and we watched her go up to the stage and that was like our friend and I remember

I turned to him and I was just like is this crazy to think that like these people that we thought were special

like actually are like could we actually do this like and then every single day from that moment on i'm talking too much but um no like i i just saw it happen for more and more people until ultimately it's happened for him in this way that is so major but i just i'm not surprised you know what i and, you know, I, I'm so proud of him, but like, duh. You know what I mean? Like, I've always known he was a star.

And so when you see that person and they say to you, I've been asked to do a podcast. Do you want to do one with me? Say yes. That's so sweet. Oh my God. been asked to do a podcast do you want to do one with me say yes that's so sweet oh my god well i think that is the thing that um i was trying to say at the beginning that is just the teflon for you guys where you just feel that constantly it's the glue and what keeps it so authentic and so um wonderful to listen to the best parts are when you can hear that like fizz

between you guys like what was the moment in a recent episode where I think it was Sudi's recent Kuntum naturally Kuntum um thank you where she was guessing your McDonald's orders. And Matt said that he wouldn't order a Big Mac because he thought there's tomato. And you could hear Bowen's brain explode. Because he knows what I'm talking about. But it's like hearing a best friend's brain explode of like, no one hates or loves you more than me in this moment. Of like, I'm so angry at you and love you so much.

Isn't that funny? And that's insane and I'll never let this go and it's making me so happy and so angry at the same time. That's why I was crying in that moment it is purely like I I love this person so much for all like in this moment of total nonsense yes he is being so and I told him this recently I was like the so the it's not the reason why Matt has had a really, really, really incredible couple years, but recently, but I think the reason, yes, give it up. But there's like, I told Matt recently, I was like, you are like literally adorable.

Like people love to adore you you know what I mean like he just he just has that thing that thing where like um you you it's undeniable there is no reason why anyone would be like that's not for me. None. You got to tweet the Teresa Drew Dice fans. They might kill me at BravoCon. If I die at BravoCon, it's the Treehuggers. It's so... They're called Treehuggers. It's... God.

Well, one thing about the Bravo fandom is that they are all mentally sound. Including us. Including sound. Including us. Including us. Including us. Anyway, but the Big Mac moment is like, is so,

is just a pure expression of the friendship. I agree. Yeah, totally. And listening to you guys do live performances in Berlin and even listening to you guys do ads, like you can feel, you feel like you're also stoned with them being like, isn't this crazy?

Like you can feel you sort of kicking each other under the table of like any situation. I mean, it just, it's such a joy. We're all so grateful. Ads are such a trip. Ads are a trip. Ads are a trip. Ads are so weird because they do this thing now where, peek behind the curtain,

you can tell AI has written some of the ads. Yeah. Whoa. And it's so infuriating because it's not written for humans to speak. So why would you expect us to speak? Right. Wait, really AI has written? It's just like this syntax.

Like, oh, we're getting, hello. We're getting audience questions. It's the ad police. You had an amazing top on. Yeah, that was chic. That was so stunning. Wait, that was the chicest woman I've ever seen. That was the chicest woman I've ever seen. I needed it.

That was incredible. Wow. She's our next guest. I needed it. That was incredible. Wow. She's our next guest. Yeah. Yes. I specifically said no chic women. Yeah, I know. Betty.

This says we can go until 8.05. Oh. Oh. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.

You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends! How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on

City TV+. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it

takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.

He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian.

Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well.

Listen to Chess Piece, the Eliane Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. These are audience questions. There are 160,000 of them. So, oh, okay. This is from Jet L. Who is your dream guest for the next season and why? Oh, I know who I would want to have.

And it's Lady Gaga. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I just wish for Bowen what I got to have with Kelly. It was so euphoric and such an incredible moment. And to have what I just said and have that full circle moment with her, I want that for you bad.

Well, that's so nice. It's not going to happen because basically, okay, the first time I saw Titanic was with Bobby Campbell, her manager. Sweetest, sweetest guy. That's so nice. It's not going to happen because basically, okay, we know, the first time I saw Titanic was with Bobby Campbell, her manager. Sweetest,

sweetest guy. Love him. He's like, I'm coming to the show. I was like, great. He did not mention that she would show up.

So what happened at the meeting between Dress and Air is Lauren goes, and Lady Gaga's going to introduce the first song. And then me

in a room full of 300 people, I went, my faggiest moment at the show, I go, Lady Gaga? And then I saw her, and then Bobby introduced us at the after party, and I was like... And recently I've said that like,

I will not be able to handle meeting her. She was so, so lovely. And then I was, I was like two drinks in and I was like, Oh my God, I just had like the fattiest moment in my time here. Um,

when, when Lauren said you were coming and I, this is me talking to her in a crowded restaurant, me, me going. And I said, lady Gaga. And she like her face kind of twitched and she like looked around. This is me talking to her in a crowded restaurant. Me going, and I said, Lady Gaga! And she like, her face kind of twitched

and she like looked around. Because like I shouted her name to her face in a crowded room. So I think I've really fucked it up with multiple people. I don't think so. I think that kind of shit like endears you more to people than

anyone could know because the truth is she was fine. She was fine. And now it's something funny that happened, you know? Totally. Like I told Kelly like I would approach her or take steps towards her and start hyperventilating crying. Like, I don't know.

And how good would the Gaga episode of Lost Cult be I mean yeah I do think she'd be better on Stradio Lab she'd be better on Stradio Lab but we'd have a good episode with her

that's my dream I agree I agree lightning round what housewives would you go to space with amazing question

I would go to space Candice I would go to space with Candice. I would go to space with Candice. Deep space. Deep space. I think it could be fun to go to space with Alexia and Marisol. Oh my God. I think me, you, Alexia and Marisol.

Yep. We would cut up. We'll be a space party. Yeah, for sure. Favorite MILF in culture? It's Betty. Have you, have you like grappled with MILFdom? You know, I've realized, it's a humbling,

I think most people are under 30 in this house. It's a, it's a humbling, I think most people are under 30 in this house. It's a humbling moment when you realize the MILF section in porn is your age. Where you're like, wow. Oh my God. Yes. What are you? 30 seconds. Anyway.

Yeah, but like, can I say like, that happens before you know it. Because we went from twinks to like. To what? Daddy. Yeah. So fast. from twinks to like to what daddy yeah so fast and now it's like what it's like i was just a twink right you you fully bypassed twang there was no it was just weird especially when i grow my facial hair out i look at pictures of myself i'm like i guess like it's not it's not ever gonna be tw I grow my facial hair out. I look at pictures of myself. I'm like, I guess like it's not, it's not ever going to be twink again.

My body won't allow it. I tried. Um, Oh, I have this question too. What are your Broadway dream rules? Oh my God. I've told you what I want us to do.

I know what I want you to do too. Book of Mormon. That we should do Book of Mormon. Yeah. The movie version. I think Roxy Velma. No, no, no. Wait, you think Roxy Velma?

He's Velma. He's Velma for sure. Okay. So did you know that we once did at the Annoyance Theater in Brooklyn, God rest. God rest. We did a mashup. It was the story, no, it was the music of Chicago

to the story of Black Swan. Henry Kapurski. Of Chicago. His ex-boyfriend was just an angel, a genius, would do these shows where it was a movie soundtrack, like a movie with musical numbers from a different, similar in theme musical. So there was what, like the music of Wicked

with something else? It was Devil Wears Prada. Devil Wears Prada. Wow. Like the wizard will see you now and the wizard's like, not great. Wait, what? That's like Devil Wears Prada Wicked thing. Totally, totally. But it worked. Like, it was very like,

I think I'm Not That Girl was Emily Blunt. Right. It all kind of tracks pretty neatly. But I was Mila slash Velma and Bone was Natalie slash Roxy. Oh, so you've done it. We've done it. Wow.

But we would love to do it again. He's always like, well, you don't always like this, but back in the day, I feel like you used to be like, and we should come out in the beginning. Like, we always want to do like a musical number sometimes at the beginning of our live shows.

He's like, and we'll do the hot honey rag. And I was like, I want the confidence you have to think. Well, the hot honey rag, when I was 12 years old, when Chicago came out, learned the entire dance from the movie in my basement. I like, I could, it's amazing.

So you already had it. I would have had to learn it. And this is, this is another thing. One time, remember when we did that live show in Brooklyn and you were like, and we'll have to start out singing our song by Taylor Swift. Yeah. And it was great. It was great.

I didn't know it. I had to learn it. That's right. That's why I kept singing, our song is a scram and scream door. Scram and scream. Scram and scream door. Was there ever a time in your career of auditioning

that you auditioned for musicals? Like went in for big open calls or something? For Broadway? Yeah. Never. I never went. You did. I did went. You did. I did too.

And I had no business being there. Yeah, but like, here's the thing. We definitely had business being there, but the environments make you feel fucking crazy. Yes. There's nothing like sitting

on one side of a door and hearing someone with a perfect voice just do it. And you're like, I have to go in now? And I didn't even want to come here. Yeah, right. Yes, totally.

Yeah. When are you doing something? No, it's, I, if I had started voice lessons 10 years ago, I could have Rihanna's range now. Okay, but that's actually huge. You have to hear. No, I...

When I first was auditioning, I had the stoned confidence of a 21-year-old, like, yeah, I'll go in for stuff. And the only time I've ever been fired from something was a musical workshop of the Sylvia Plath musical. Were you Miss Plath? Were you Miss Plath? I was the title role of Miss Plath.

I did two days of rehearsals and the director called me and she was like, how do you think it's going? I was like, fully fired. And then the last musical I auditioned for was the Addams Family musical where I sat in the waiting room listening to people be like, and I went in there and was like, maybe I'm amazed at the way that you love me. I used to sing Sunday Morning by Maroon 5. Wow, a great song.

Kind of similar to Maybe I'm Amazed. It was not the right song for a musical theater. We got fired from musical improv group. Yes, it was a musical improv group. Yes. It was a musical improv group where you had to improvise the lyrics to karaoke tracks, basically. So you would just have to memorize the songs, but then have a grasp on meter

and the way syllables fell into beloved pop songs and make them funny somehow. It was so hard. And he said that we need to take a class. And we never did. You need to take a class. Okay.

What's from Mackenzie. What's one thing you wish you could tell yourself from 10 years ago? Hmm. Oh my God. That's actually a mosh. Yeah. 10 years ago. Oh my God. That's actually a mosh. Yeah. 10 years ago.

10 years ago. So 23 I was. I honestly, wow. I would have just been like, not only is it gonna work out, but it's gonna like, it's gonna blow your mind. So just keep going forward and keep having good intentions and trying hard and and and like i would also say don't take for granted the relationships because

the relationships are everything you know what i mean like all the amazing people that we've met along the way including each other it's just so incredible to see it all pay off in this way that's perfect like it's just so cool it's beyond incredible that Josh Sharpe and Aaron Jackson have dicks the musical like and I would just say like have fun follow what you think is fun and don't be of don't be afraid and like it's because it's gonna work out like just keep keep going you know I think I would have said to myself, um, Oh God, like just, just don't, don't like just advocate for yourself or something. Like, I think I've, I still kind of have this weird, like, I don't have the gene in me that like um shows up for me and i and i feel like it was it was way worse back then and i feel like now it's gotten a lot better but yeah like 10 years

ago but i also think and this is gonna sound ridiculous i feel like not that much is different in a way that's really really nice and beautiful and i'm like i'm the um the essence of us is basically the same, you know? I mean, that's like 10 years ago. That was like, even before the podcast started, cause we started that and we were 26.

And I think that, um, I also, I never used to think of myself as a comedian cause I didn't do standup. Like I remember, I think that was something that we shared too. Both of us were like really unsure about where we fit in, in the comedy thing. Cause you did improv and like and like you know people have had a future doing improv

but it's other things. Right, right, right. I mean what's the thing? I guess acting. I did sketch like and I was trying to do stand up but it wasn't really clicking. I didn't know who I was and I think that that's because we were so other like in our comedy community. it's like there was no one who had a career that i could look up to like they're like me and they're doing it and like the way i want to do it i can see myself doing it so it kind of afforded this nice choose your own adventure um of like our our entire comedy careers to the point where like when we started lost culture is this i think that's

why it worked is because we weren't trying to be anything but ourselves because we didn't see ourselves like working you know what i mean like it didn't real with who like where who what was the blueprint to follow um blueprint blueprint blueprint i was just on Long Island drinking beers. Today? Yesterday. I had a pumpkin beer. His favorite. I had three, actually. But I think that that sort of wilderness of the entertainment industry and comedy

and us literally not fitting in it just allowed us to be ourselves. And so maybe that's something. Encouraging yourself to go back in time and be like, be yourself, it will work. But, and this is not me just like jerking us off, but I think on that note, like I think we did, I think we like became this nice mental model

for other comedians that we were friends with to be like, can you can also this is a viable pathway for comedy or like it's a way for you to at least make some money off of doing comedy where a lot of those opportunities are scant it's like they're like like i think like look look just get two people who are funny like on stage to like sit down in front of a microphone and then have like conversations where you listen and you feel like like like listening to pat and cat and george and sam and like everybody i'm just like oh i feel like i'm in the room with them and like yeah that's i think that was a nice i think i'm not saying we

set the trend i'm saying we we i think we you know gave a blue point blueprint for other people the i don't think so honey live shows when we were doing them too like oh thanks oh but that was the that was one of the first times where we realized bring them back so we can really get canceled um i think about ones that have been on the live shows and i'm like oh my god but like that was the first time where like we got 50 of our peers all up on stage and you would never have seen people on the same bill. Like that, just because of the way that the New York comedy community was at the time

and it felt like, not like, oh wow, we did this, but we're a part of this and it's bigger. You know, like, so watching the comedy community change and us being involved in that was so special. And now it's sort of branched out even further. It's like like you know you do see so many more people um having opportunities and getting to show off what they can do than you did 10 years ago so maybe that's another thing is like telling that generation of comedians 10

years ago like there's a place for you like like they're gonna listen yeah i feel like everything you guys do i feel like how did they know to do that? Like your, your most recent single, like that is the most genius, amazing, like it's the niches you have created and found are so inspiring and how amazing to have your friendship and podcast be this touchstone or this thing that you're going to take the whole way. I mean, like, you know, my daughter is going to be three and her first best friend, I'm like, can Zadie go to college with her? Like, they must stay together. And hearing you guys on the podcast as your careers explode and your lives happen, it's so wonderful to hear you both be like oh come on get over yourself or like come on celebrate yourself like in the exact um waves that you need to be there for each other and it's just

so beautiful to listen to and um we all love you so much and it's 805 baby betty thank you so, so much. I just, I mean, thank you so much for doing this. And just from the bottom of our hearts, like everyone, thank you so much for even wanting to come to something like this and for listening to us. You know, whenever anyone comes up on the street and says, I'm a KED or I'm a reader,

I'm a publicist or I'm a finalist, bold. But I love the energy. People have said I'm a finalist. People have identified as a finalist and I go, wow. I admire it so deeply. I really do. But we just love you so very much. What is a finalist but a reader de cocoon?

Yes. That's from WandaVision. That's from WandaVision. Um, anytime, anytime we meet anyone who listens to the podcast, it's an immediate, like stop.

We got it. We got to connect with these people because they, they're the ones who get us. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So thank you for coming. I mean, so,

so, so. So thank you for coming. It means so, so, so much. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tariqa Foster-Brasby

an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Julian Edelman.

I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars we're finally answering the age-old question what kind of dudes are these dudes we're gonna find out jewels new episodes drop every thursday during the nfl season listen to dudes on dudes on the

iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.