Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Matt & Bow's Serotonin Deficit Spectacular"

Episode Date: June 2, 2021

Unfortunately the boys were rode hard and put away wet by their respective Memorial Day Weekends. But that doesn't mean they can't catch up on the Cultch. Mare of Easttown finale? Discussed in full, babe. Turn back to avoid spoilers. But spoiler alert for this episode: we fucking loved it. Also, Friends reuniting, the reboot of In Treatment, Legendary's new season, RHONY thus far, Olivia Rodrigo's SOUR and the music it brings back from our youth, how cocaine is not "That Girl" and when to avoid interacting with others (when you are on your molly comedown). It's a Matt and Bow solo ep! We back! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ding dong! Las Culturistas calling! Do you miss me? I really, really missed you the last week or so. I really did. And I miss the readers, of course. But I missed the readers, of course. But I missed

the essence of me. My breast. My... My soulmate. My best breast. I didn't know if you missed me because I didn't feel like, you know... What are you talking about?

You did call me. You did FaceTime me. Because you wanted to find out about how my Memorial Day weekend was. I felt like you were also on your own journey with your own people. I did not want to interrupt that. And you knew the same of me. And I think we were just, I think this is a healthy boundary. It wasn't even about boundaries. It was just us kind of sensing each other.

But if you feel like i neglected the friendship in any way i'm sorry you did not no no no i was just being um i believe the word is needy um and i was also it's funny that you say like i can be me it's funny that you were just like you were just like no i think it's good you were with your people i was with my people because i was about to say i don't think we should ever vacation separately again so that's interesting i guess we're just in two different places do you believe this you feel this way because I was about to say, I don't think we should ever vacation separately again. So that's interesting. I guess we're just in two different places. Do you believe this?

You feel this way? I was, I literally, well, I, can I say- Talk about your vacation. You had a stressful vacation. I had a dramatic vacation. Can you, do you want to tell the readers about it? I would like to tell the readers all about it. And then I also want to hear about yours

because I haven't heard like the details of yours yet either. Oh yeah, I'm happy to share. So as you can hear in my voice mine i mean yeah we're both not vocally great we're not vocally healthy we're not ready to go take the stage at carnegie hall and perform alongside the likes of nicole scherzinger just yet um i don't know why i thought of her performing at the hall she hasn't she i feel like she probably has i'm sure she probably has. I'm sure she could. I'm sure she could. She's a stunning singer.

She's incredible. So, yes, went to Palm Springs, and I guess suffice it to say, it's like, you know, it offered everything it usually offers. A lot of partying, a lot of going out, and then I have to say, you know how famously palm

springs when you go there if you've ever been there readers you know that if you rent a house there's commonly signs up everywhere and you get a warning from the people that you rent the house from like hey no music outside you you know this right well i actually did not in that and but because of the topography of palm springs it's just one flat expanse so the sound kind of i mean your neighbors hear them the sound travels in a very unfortunate way right and so so that that is the case and so of course you understand why that's that's that's so and you understand why these signs are posted and you also get that it's like you get that it's like you know it's very actually pretty residential you know a lot of people live there all year

around it's not just this this vacation destination for um people that want to descend upon it um on their weekends you understand so um had that being said i have vacation there about six or seven times and i've always played music at a reasonable volume outside never gotten in trouble so i thought um or at least everyone i was with thought oh we can play music so we are halfway through a lip sync competition um i had just done my performance uh to the song daisies by katie perry oh my god my concept was such a moment yeah go well did i tell you my concept i think you mentioned it but it wasn't fully conceived so what was the final execution well the message that i wanted to give everyone watching the performance was to never give up and so um what

i did was i started an important message it's such an important message i felt and i actually was going first in the lips and competition there There were 10 competitors and I was sort of setting the tone. And so I was like, I have to really drive my message home. So I dressed up as, I came out as Amy Adams in Arrival. Oh, yes. And I revealed. In the space suit. In the space suit.

But the suit where she's talking to the aliens. Yes. So she's in her orange sort of getup. So I got that. And I... Daisies began, and I... You know how Amy Adams holds up a sign, and it says, like... It says her name or something, and she tries to communicate with the aliens?

Yeah, yeah. So I pulled up a sign that said, Oscar? And then I threw the sign, and I tore away the arrival look to a nun costume and then i was amy adams in doubt and i sang a little bit more of the song and i held up the sign again and i still didn't get the oscar and i took off my nun habit and i had an enchanted dress and then i took off the enchanted dress and i had this hot little number i bought off amazon and i was american hustle and by the way thehabit of course tore away to reveal my red Amy Adams hair.

And then under the American Hustle dress, I had a tiny little tube top and little tiny shorts because I was Amy Adams in The Fighter. This is how many costumes? Four or five? This was a five in one and then I picked up on the ground, I had these two big eyes

and I held the big eyes up in front of my eyes. And I sang like the bridge to the song, the where she's going like, yeah, yeah. You know that part of daisies? I'm not that familiar with the song. Okay.

Well, of course, after this, everyone's going to want to get familiar. It's going to go to the top of the charts after this. And then finally, I, i threw myself behind the audience um and went in the house and was was looking out the window so then i was finally the woman in the window oh my god and so basically the theme was amy adams would never stop trying to win an oscar until they cover her in daisies daisies daisies now i did well and i'm

happy i got to do my performance because after about the sixth person competed we get an aggressive knock on the door not with a warning but with a dismissal from the home they said who was at the door the host the leasing person i guess and they were like you have to leave in an hour like i'm gonna be back in an hour everyone has to leave and they said it was because of a noise slash parking thing like that we had there were a lot of cars out front i guess i don't know the rules were allegedly broken and it was not a thing where we could like discuss it everyone's like like chris liker is dressed as a cat like we're all like in these like outfits i'm like, okay, well, we got to go. So we have to get out of our outfits

and then sort of get all of our shit together to leave. We don't know where we're going. This is happening Saturday. We're supposed to be there Saturday, Sunday. We eventually found rooms at the Ace Hotel, which actually was kind of great. And so it all worked out. But we did not get to finish the competition.

We do not know who wins. I guess we'll just have to resume it later. But the drama. The drama. You had a good time at the Ace. Oh my God, had a great time at the Ace. I feel like the Ace is always booked up in Palm Springs. Well, you know, I think maybe because of COVID,

it wasn't as booked up, but we got a nice room. And like, we went to the pool. The pool was great. Great mix of people okay you know there were straights there there were queers there sometimes you couldn't you didn't know what the hell was going on a guy in a guy in a straw hat that looked like a burning man type i'm gonna say came up to me took off his sunglasses got on my level in the water and asked me you vibing and i was like i suppose i am sir i hope that that is like i don't know if that is welcome at pride much like kink i don't think that energy is welcome

at pride and i'm glad you got you got that experience out of the way before june hit i mean yeah basically like i was like i said to him i was like you better float away because in just hours it's going to be June. And you in this flat straw hat. I said, he had the most. Not vibing anymore now that you've asked me. Big Adam Levine energy. Which you like, question mark?

Oh, yeah. And I should say, he was the hottest man in the pool. Hottest man in the pool. So you didn't fully dismiss it or hate it? No. I mean, he asked me if I was vibing. And there was that little part of me that's like, is this straight guy flirting with me because that that's an experience i've never had like to be hooking up with a straight guy and i was very i was very in a place to try new

things this weekend too i don't sure that's wonderful i don't think so honey so many of these people out here being like i fucked my straight boss it's like are you lying i don't believe you i don't believe all queer people i'm sorry is that's a that's a bad thing that's a rule of culture that's a rule of culture it's real culture number 50 bowen yang does not does not believe all queer people and a message to that person who said she fucked her straight boss my whole thing is you want to fuck a straight person that's wonderful said she fucked her straight boss my whole thing is you want to fuck a straight person that's wonderful don't fuck your boss don't shit where you eat don't shit at all ever in any situation sorry sorry um mia farrow sorry mia why did i go there

oh my god well honestly had she not fucked stop no don't you're victim blaming queen no i you don't know where i was about to go i was gonna say had she not fucked her boss she wouldn't have gotten divorced that's what i was gonna say that's the worst thing that happened to her that's the worst no it's the only thing i'm bringing into this conversation all right tell me tell me uh oh and by the way i guess i i do want to be honest with this about the readers i did have my i did have my first uh type of sexual varietal here which was a three a three-way is that what we're calling sexual varietal varietal well it's a varietal of sexual activity. I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I'm sorry.

I just, I just, I kind of, I'm, I'm interested by that phrasing. My phrasing. Yeah. Not necessarily by the fact that it happened.

No, I'm so, no, we've been over this. I, I was so happy for you. And the, the first person I told when you told me was Sudie.

Cause I was on vacation with her. I was like, Oh my God, Matt just had his first threesome. What did she do? Do an impression of her. She was like, Oh my God. I think she was like genuinely happy god matt just had his first threesome what did she do to an impression of her she was like oh my god i think she was like genuinely happy she was yeah she was very happy gotta tell you i i really liked being like the guest star like oh like um you know

reese where their spoon on friends i'm sorry friends is top of mind because the reunion happened did you watch it? We watched our vacation house. We watched the first hour. As soon as Malala came on to talk about how much she loved the routine episode, we were like, alright, we gotta tap out. Could I be more of a survivor?

Could I be more shot in the face by the Taliban? I wanted her to come out with the Rachel. And be like. And Jennifer Aniston. Fuck up. And Jennifer Aniston would have put her hands over her mouth.

And that way she does like. Oh my God. Oh my God. That is the impact of this show. The impact of this show. I have to say. We put it on. Lewis and I were watching it. We put it on. Andis and i were watching it we put it on we couldn't

have been complaining about it more oh yeah we were like fuck this fuck this fuck this we put it on and we sat the whole time and we're like yeah no i didn't think it was that bad well i'm on record as saying i don't think so honey the friends reunion but tbh it made me chuckle i think it depends on like and i think this is true of a lot of viewing experiences it depends on social proof which is like you are laughing if people around you are laughing at something or you're you are enjoying something if people around you are enjoying something or not or the or the opposite is true but maybe that this was the friends reunion was maybe sort of a context dependent thing.

Well, were you a Friends person? Which I know this is the case is no. And Slash, were you with people? Because were the girls? I bet Heidi's a Friends person. So here's the thing. Okay, so. You were with Heidi and Aidy and Sudi.

Heidi, Aidy, Sudi, Celeste, Ego. And it was a fun, fun group. but i will say i was not a friends person i would catch it every week or so when it was still on right remember the finale being such a moment did not make the list sorry to say it did not did not make the list and i don't know that we have to do another list i don't think we have to do another list to include that uh but i friends was always a little bit alienating to me because it was liked by all of, I mean it was liked by everybody, but it was

specifically passionately liked at the time by the mean white kids in drama club when I was a freshman in high school. Really? And it was like such a thing for them to fucking quote the shit out of it in a way that was like oh well i know the

simpsons and seinfelds and snl but they seem to they seem to think that this friends thing is like the best thing that's ever been made um and of course i feel very righteous right now in 2021 being like a simpson seinfeld like fucking yeah i'm a harvard masturbating piece of shit yeah pedigree whatever pedigree, dear. No, but I, Friends always rubbed me the wrong way. And like, we know, we all know at this point, like problematic show with weird little moments. Six stars appreciate this sort of new model of sitcom

that it created where it was like an ensemble comedy. Yeah. Love that. It was very emotional seeing matthew perry that was like that was like really tough but like beautiful that he was there with everybody yeah um but otherwise i was like otherwise i was like um put off by the reunion and i think it was because me and celeste were there and we were shitting on it the whole time and we made everyone else feel bad about how homophobic and transphobic the show is. But then afterwards we stopped and then afterwards Heidi texted the group.

She was like, okay, I'm actually finishing up the Friends Arena and it's actually, parts of it are really sweet. And then I think like other people might have secretly, Fran Gillespie loves Friends, and she was maybe the most hurt or vulnerable about watching it because she loves Friends so much. Yeah, I mean, here's the thing. It's like anything else. It's like Sex and the City. You could say the literal same shit about it.

I know, I know, I know. But I think Friends was just so, it represents just like populist, like mainstream. When they were talking about how many people watch the finale i was like insane oh my god and that's when you realize like that's why all those people are so so so so so famous whereas it feels like now almost no one is that famous like those people were huge like jennifer aniston was I mean still is obviously but she's one of those last vestiges of like

huge fucking TV star crossover movie star 90s megastar general appeal general audience loves four quadrants loves yeah yeah yeah and I will say like it was fun to watch

the interactions between them because it's like and i've always been on record as being like why are people so obsessed with seeing these six human beings share a space i'm just like it's like they do it all the time like it feels like you constantly see them get together and the show is always on but i do think it's like i think it reminds people of old friend i think it genuinely makes people feel like they're catching up with old friends like it almost felt like a reunion for the audience members that love that show as well as them and like i'll tell you the only time it made me a little sad was when i felt like matthew perry something was off do you know what the deal is there i think

he i think it was just he's just been through hell to hell and back he's just been he's just been to hell and back yeah yeah okay um but oh you're right that's interesting that uh people feel like they were see they felt like they were immersed in this sentiment sentimental thing of being like with old friends again a complete i completely get that yeah completely um and i don't need to sound like contrarian and gross by being like oh friends uh but i don't know i just i kind of felt nothing watching them all together and and the only thing that I was compelled by was Lisa Kudrow just being like so charming and funny and like ever like perennially good, funny, like captivating every single time she's on screen. I would say my favorite part of the show was always the girls anyway, obviously. But like, yeah, so Lisaisa and i it was fun to see

like courtney and i love that jen was crying almost the entire time i do love jen aniston i actually liked matt leblanc in it more than i thought i would oh joey's iconic and i loved i loved them talking about casting him where it was like you needed some guy who was hot but dumb but funny and he was able to play all three and i'm like oh yeah like it's it's such a great i don't know like he is like a very singular talent only he could have played joey that way yeah i mean i i think that what i walked away from thinking was wow that was really like a lightning and bottle chemistry you know what i mean because you watch the show and it is funny like the situations are like very much classic sitcom situations like they're well performed they were good physical comedians

they were great physical comedians and just and just great just all of them all six of them great actors great actors yeah and you get and also it's kind of like i mean you get this is so funny i'm speaking to you about this but it's like live performance as television like it feels like that used to be a real skill you needed to have to like book a sitcom like back in the 90s and then obviously 70s 80s 90s like that was you know that that form of sitcom was sitcom rather was king i guess we should just like you know multicam is what it's called so we should say it um but like watching them literally act out a play for an audience i was like that's like that would be a really cool thing to do and now here you are i'm here i am trying to relate about that with you who does it every and here i am telling you every week that like i feel like i'm cursed i don't

think we'll ever go back to multicam so well yeah i mean it's weird right like even now it feels like everything is just there's just a it's like it's like if it's a multicam it at least needs like a twist like did you see that show um that um annie murphy is doing it's called kevin can fuck himself oh is that like it's like a gritty dark thing or well what it is is half the show is a sitcom is a multi-cam and then the other half so basically when the when the husband is there it's the world of a multi-cam and annie murphy's playing the wife and when he leaves it's single cam and it's from her perspective and it's like dark and it's about her life hey wandavision queen literally but basically it's like it feels like everything in order to be

multi-cam if it doesn't exist on like cbs um then it really it's it needs like a twist or something or it's not actually live no and like and like and like hence like wandavision even where it's like oh it's like a tribute to old sitcoms yeah and the novelty that they were doing it live was such a thing it was such a thing but then it's like oh but the twist is it's fucking mcu like the most high budget thing hollywood has ever made um and so that and so it just like, that even further like makes it a novelty or, you know what I mean? It makes it like a thing that's like, wasn't that a lovely bygone era of television?

And now literally the only thing that's left in terms of live TV comedy or just live TV scripted live TV is like SNL. It's so weird. I mean, I guess, I guess like these musicals. Oh, how do you feel about Annie being the thing for NBC? Are they doing Annie?

I didn't know that. So I guess we're just never getting Bye Bye Birdie then with J-Lo. No, with J-Lo, we're never getting Bye Bye Birdie. It's just never going to happen. Yeah. True, like vaporware. That's a video game term. Sorry.

True, like we'll be lost forever into the vapor goodbye to you as it were kids i really wanted to see her do that part okay annie oh that's that's fabulous obviously we're gonna get someone to come stomp the boards as fucking miss hannigan oh who do you think would be amy adams do you think i don't know know. No, I'm just throwing a name out there. I know she was top of mind because you were talking about her. But, I mean, a lot of people could play her, right? I mean, you know who I think it will end up being? Who?

Chenoweth. I think Chenoweth will end up being Miss Hannigan. I think she'll be fabulous. She'll be fabulous. Who's going to be Warbucks? Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

I think like um Zachary Levi oh he'd be he'd be fantastic he'd be maybe he's too young maybe a little too young

but you know we can also do a young sexy Daddy Warbucks a literal zaddy Warbucks oh you are bad

zaddy Warbucks you are bad title of that zaddy Warbucks zaddy Warbucks um anyway I just wanted to throw that out there we have so much to catch up we really do this is a true You are bad. Zaddy Warbucks. You are bad. Zaddy Warbucks. Anyway, I just wanted to throw that out there. We have so much to catch up.

We really do have, this is a true culture catch up. We haven't had one in a while. We did both hit our weed, you know, instruments and elements. If that explains anything. Wait, I want to ask you one question though. Explain a little bit more about your vacation. I told you a little bit about mine.

I just want to hear a little bit more about yours and what the dynamics were, etc. And also, I have another question after that. Go. Okay. I had a bifurcated vacation week. So, Sunday at noon after the SNL finale, I went to Fire Island and stayed in a house there

with some friends. So chill and tame. And the weather was kind of not great. So, we just kind of stayed indoors the whole time. Oh, yeah. I heard New York had some shit weather. shit yeah new york had bad bad weather but um mostly just stayed indoors and like played like jackbox games and read a little yeah um oh but i don't think so honey my eczema really fucking my ass up okay i have stuff for you. No, I bought my stuff. I have a lot of colloidal oatmeal. Well, I'm just saying,

it's called First Aid Ultra Repair Beauty Cream. It's like a miracle stuff. And my dermatologist literally said, this is what you need, because I have eczema on my eyelids now. Damn. It's allergies being crazy this year. I had none year and now it's it's

it's it's insane i have been sneezing a lot more i've come to think of it but sneezing and i've had like this like i've had this like productive allergy cough for like a week now but i've gotten tested for covid it's not covid i swear to g it's not covid but anyway um so did that until wednesday and then wednesday through saturday went to um the hamptons with work friends and it was that looks so nice like i love like a i love like a um like a mainland long island out east vibe with sweatshirts with sweatshirts i it was it was. It was fun. It was fun. And pulled my first, I'm okay to admit this to the readers.

Oh God. But it was through a lot of, so we wanted to plan stuff for the group and Fran Gillespie found this vineyard or a friend recommended this vineyard to Fran Gillespie, Wolfer Estates. Shout out to Wolfer Estates. But she kept calling on Thursday trying to book something for friday and they were like what this is they were like we i'm sure i mean everyone knows what this is although all the readers know what this is

but they were like we're so sorry everything's booked up it's a memorial day is very busy we have nothing open we have nothing open and then fran was like okay and then it was it was not my idea but it had been put out there that's not that one of the famous's should sort of call should call and then we were like well let's wait for 80 to get here on friday so that she being probably queen famous well she i don't want to blow up her spot but 80 is is like, I have an assistant famous. Do you get, do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. The rest of us are not.

And so we were like, let's have 80s assistant take care of it. Cause you know, it's kind of what they do. This is, this is the bread and butter. And then, and then we were just like,

no, let's not, let's just, and then Friday morning we woke up and then Fran just kept bringing, bringing up the fact that like, we should really go to the fact that like we should really go to this vineyard. We should really go to this vineyard. Should we, what should we do? Should we call?

Yeah. And then I was like, I am willing to really take a risk here. It felt very vulnerable and it is not, I did not feel cool doing it i should say and it felt it felt cringy and stupid and like why oh my god i like i'm am i gonna do this really it's coming for me it would just be like getting on the phone and saying the words like what yes do the call what was the name of the place wolfer estates but i okay but i should say that i did rehearse this to the group in the kitchen and I have video of it.

I have video of it that I can maybe even play. I can play. Oh my God. I'm going to play the rehearsal video, but- This is the rehearsal

of Bowen Yang going to call the Wolfer Estates vineyard and say, is it possible that we could get a table? It's the cast of SNl and i'm bowen yes so oh wait maybe i don't have it let's see all right bowen yang i've got some i'm staying

in the area with some snl folks yeah and we would love to come by today if there's room for a tasting. What did I say? Oh, my God. If there was room for a tasting. No, so what it ended up being, and I was groggy and I was eating a bagel. I had a mouthful of bagels. So what, okay, so do you want to, so basically the operative word was, the operative term was SNL folks.

Okay. Like, okay, great. All right. Wilford Estates Vineyard, this melissa speaking hi melissa um this is bowen yang and i am staying in the area with some snl folks and i'm sure everything's very booked up but we were just wondering if there was room for a table of eight at the tasting room today? Can I check with my supervisor? Of course. Great.

This is exactly what happened. She was like, can I put you on hold? So it's Bo. He says Bo and Yang. He says SNL folks. I don't know. I can ask if she's here wait what is that the that's the blonde okay i mean maybe she i mean she probably would have been the one to call right because this one's

is still i think he's i know i've seen the Titanic thing. Yeah. Yeah. That's the who it is. I don't know if she's here. I don't know if she's here. Why is the dishwasher running, guys, in our house? Turn that off.

What, do I get back on there and say, is Kate McKinnon with you? Like, I'm not going to. Okay. You weren't even put on hold yesterday fan right i think we can probably just if we put them in the back patio not not the no not the back patio the if we make that okay so if they say we can't if they say there's no room do we still show up do we still show up or is that too embarrassing no i mean no one else is called like it's no one else's it's a 27 minute drive okay i can okay no it's right hi bowen hi hi i think we can make that happen you

how many people are in your party eight eight okay so um and is anyone else going to be joining you um oh are you asking for names specifically i know i wasn't going to be asking for names it's just that um if we if it's eight people, we have a setup for that. But if it's nine, we're not able to put an extra chair on the side of the table. I wasn't asking for extra names.

Oh, I'm so sorry. I'm not interested. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to imply that you were. I did see on the website that the seating cap for each reservation is eight people. So I will respect

that no one else will be joining but thank you for asking okay thank you you've been very helpful and i did i did i did know i did know the seating cap my own restaurant thank you um uh not to uh not to uh sink your boat right um anyway yeah i saw that one oh thank you i'm just gonna is kate mckinnon with you no but okay we can still we can who ad bryant shrill okay we can do we can make she was on girls she was in the oh yes of course she was in the shoshana story yeah of course of course she was the boss uh yeah or like the work superior right that's what i know her from just that yeah yeah okay um you guys can definitely come in and um uh we have a really nice area outside um and that'll be really fun thank you so much for your help

melissa well i won't be here but um okay kelly will and so you can actually ask kelly she's the she's gonna be the hostess that's here that gets in here at six so there's one hostess ship from one to five and there's one from six to ten okay thank you so much i'm 17 talk to you guys later bye that is actually not that far from what it actually was I like when we do theater I love when we do theater and you are really god you are such a real performer

one of the best performers well thanks lived in probably not at the point where I could call for a table ever but so when wait here's the thing did were they did they immediately know like oh of course yeah of course they know so this girl this girl was like let me put you on hold because because and this happens all the time in their world so this is the reason why we I would not do this anywhere else except in the Hamptons.

And so, and by the way, we were staying in like a very small, stuffy, charming, beautiful house in Amagansett. It was not like a rony situation. Like everyone's got their own room.

It was just like, we were all like, it was the type of place where people call and they do this type of thing. Exactly. It wasn't, it wasn't the cleveland chilies it wasn't the cleveland chilies and so i was like uh yes please put us on hold and then after about 30 seconds she was like we should be able to do that 330 and at that point i see fran out of the corner of my eye cheering silently because, this is what she was trying to do. But,

but then Fran just for the rest of the day, could not stop talking about how she was so quickly dismissed and brushed aside. And like that, this, this was the thing. And they, and then when we got there,

we got there and they were very overtaxed and you could tell. Yeah. And it was like, Oh, we shouldn't have come here. We fin. No, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no. It was wonderful because they were overtaxed because they probably had to like, Fran kept saying like, they probably had to buy a new oak table for us.

And so like anytime like we would fit, the second we finished like a plate of tapas or whatever, the server comes by, scoops it away from us. Not a beat missed. Like they need that extra plate for another table. So it was like they were stretched thin and we really appreciate them. And they were very nice. They treated us very well and a lovely experience.

Lovely experience. I love that you had that. I want to go to a vineyard so badly. I've never been, I've never, I've never been to a vineyard in that capacity. Neither have I. This is this.

And there's so many nice ones in California, but I want, would like to go. I would love to go. We should go. We should go. We should go. And there's so many nice ones in California, but I would like to go. I would love to go. We should go. We should go. We should go. You and I should go.

You know what I got really excited about? Who? What? Our live performance opportunity. Oh. Yes. We can't reveal details. I don't know that we can reveal details, but we are going to be, we're doing a show and

it's happening in august and we just can't say what it is or where we can't say what it is or where it is it will be outside which we love which we love in a very fun place but that's all we'll say that's an interesting location wait this is another thing that that happened in palm springs i'll say this the the bars are just just, they're packed. I mean, there's no masks. It's packed. It's cuckoo.

I'm telling you, like, it felt like, wow. This is the first time I was like, oh, it's, if it's not over, it's like, you can't tell these people it's not over. You're not telling them to rein it in. And it felt incredible i did go to an event or two when i returned to new york where it was you gotta have the excelsior pass or proof of or electronic proof of vaccination or physical proof of vaccination in order to get inside, which I actually am like, great. Like that is like, that is like compliant with like the science and the guidelines. And I was like, but there were

moments I was with Josh Sharpe and we were like, okay, this feels, this feels like it's normal, but in a way that is overwhelming and disorienting. And then we went to Ty Sunderland's birthday and it was 80s themed and the music was 80s and it was amazing and then there were moments where like him and I were just like oh my god what time period this sounds so silly but we were both like I truly do feel transported and it feels like it's pre-covid in a real way with like the music and all that like I forgot that it was 2021 in a way that was both scary and satisfying it was so crazy we were walking into one of the establishments in palm springs and i was just like it's i immediately flashed back to

the last time i was there and it didn't feel any different yet we all had had the experience of not being able to do that so it did feel i will say cathartic in many ways but also it just it also then was just like it was just odd because it was just odd, because it was like, oh, it feels like a million years have passed, but also it feels like this just happened, and I just, it is disorienting. It's so odd to go back

to a place where it's just like, yep, and I wish that everywhere I went, I wish I could say everywhere I went was like, and we need to see that Excelsior pass. But that wasn't the case. See, that would make me a little nervous. It doesn't give me the heebie-jeebies, though, because I'm vaccinated.

Of course. I'm one of those people that's like, I don't know how you feel. Now that I'm vaccinated, I'm out there. I'm going for it. I don't know how many more studies we need to see that are like if you're vaccinated you're extremely unlikely to spread the numbers in california and southern california are very low they're so far down there that it just it feels safe and it almost it feels like at this point like the venues that aren't open open are the the the areas where you have

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moved felt um felt uh like i like it provoked thoughts within me by this piece of work i loved it i can't believe how much it managed to do much in the same the last time i felt this way honestly not to be a bitch be such a bitch was watchmen was thinking how did they do all of that? It was so great. And like, ACAB includes Mayor, whatever. Oh, Jesus Christ! Oh my God!

But I... We'll cut that out. No, we are not. But I mean, I just... I literally... I posted this thing that Aaron Jackson wrote on Instagram, and he was kind of, like, doing a bit on our group chat. I know he was, but I was just like... He was like, Mayor voted for Trump.

Mayor is Blue Lives Matter, whatever. And this is why we can't just appreciate what Kate Winslet has done, because we're going to make it about... No, we're not! Mayor voted for Trump. I don't even think Mayor voted for Trump. I don't think Mayor voted for Trump.

Mayor didn't vote for Trump because Siobhan. Because Siobhan having a gay daughter made her think, I'm not even think Mayor voted for Trump. I don't think Mayor voted for Trump. Mayor didn't vote for Trump because Siobhan. Because Siobhan having a gay daughter made her think, I'm not going to vote for that man. You know who voted for Trump? The guy who stalks her in the convenience store. I think Lori voted for Trump because her husband voted for Trump. And I think Lori is that kind of person

who voted for Trump because her husband voted for Trump. And Katie's mom, I think, voted for Trump. Katie's mom is... She felt left behind by the system well like the fact like if if my daughter had been kidnapped i would be full queue i'd be like the pedophiles are out there they're gonna kill it like i would be full queue because in that case she was right yeah yeah yeah um but anyway mayor of east town fantastic tv transcended even the barrier to entry that would be oh i'm gonna watch a show about cops it's not it's it's it's you i i forgot i forgot that which is maybe the most pernicious form which is maybe the most it is a show about it's about it's a show about, it's a show about family.

It's a show about generational trauma. Oh, yes. it's also a show about the patriarchy, but not in a way that I felt they were like, at the end, they were like, men did this to us.

Yeah. Like, this was about like, I feel like, you know, like Mayor and Lori, their relationship, like, it's just so interesting because they both, I mean, Kate Winslet was so incredible.

Julianne Nicholson was unbelievable on that last episode. sort of energy and mentality that a lot of like these like women this age have and people this age have which is like you get the sense that they're always tired because that's they're truly working class like and there's there's just this sense of sadness and honestly i did like it as like a not and you know we are actually it is still the trump era but as a trump era piece of work i thought i guess that this reminds me of a type of community that is so literally depressed like not to say that they're that it's sad where they live but there's just a lot of people you know there was like that scene where the dylan's new girlfriend because she had gotten in trouble was like well now i can't go to college so i'm gonna go to the beauty shop and these people that have lived in these towns all their life and everyone knows each other and they're all up in each other's business like that scares

me sometimes because i think when people's worlds are very small um they they resist um big ideas from outside that world yeah and so i think that's what but but i will say that i felt that this community of people was humanized by the fact that they love their family like you get a sense a real sense in this show about what's important to these people their relationships are very clear and very specific yeah and i think that was a real strength of it being set in such a specific like you know philly town east town because um it made it like it was like the sopranos in that way and that was like a literal family like i felt like every character had a real sense of personhood place like you really got where they

were coming from and it did sort of you know didn't make heroes or like but i thought it like really fleshed these people out as tragic figures in a way that I don't think often people in like communities like this get that on television. Sure. Or you never get a good sense of how these people know each other or relate to each other. I think the fact that it's Mare and Lori and, and the other, her other friends or her other people who she knows in Easttown, the fact that for some reason I love and obsessed with the detail that they were all on the same basketball team

in high school. Me too, I loved that. I think that's such a great, smart way of like, okay, the relationships are settled in and we don't have to really explain them, but you just you you just get to demonstrate in a couple scenes like what this is what this was you go to the reunion you go to the thing where they come out and you know they give them the oh they hang the

banner the award whatever it was in that pilot in the first episode i'm like great okay then like that answers so many quite like you don't have it doesn't feel like an introduction, and it feels like this is all organic. I don't know. Yeah, well, this is what I liked about it. This is like a more succinct way of saying what I was saying. It got really specific with what this town was, where it was, who these people were, even the accent work.

And this is why I think it's so important that they got so specific with the accent work. And I think that was one of Kate Winslet's like number one things she was like we're all going to do the accent because it's going to make the more characters the characters more specific and that's going to make the whole show more specific so basically

it's like you really they really felt very real yes it when when when the source material and the writing is that specific and you know what you get that specific with the costuming, you allow the actors to get so specific and so nuanced. And this, I think, across the board, was some of the best ensemble acting I had seen in a really long time.

I agree. And it was a big cast. So that's why I say it reminded me of The Sopranos because it was like really good work from a lot of people. And for that many people to feel clear and the relationship to feel clear is really tough. Obviously, like Kate Winslet is the number one person on the call sheet.

And she like led this through all the way. I think this is the best work of her career but all the way down this was really really really good work down to we got a shout out so see miss so see bacon oh my god you guys that's our friend so see is we've known so see for a long time and she fucking crushed so see see brah va that was phenomenal and oh boy did I pick the wrong fucking night to get stoned and watch Mare during that

bathtub scene. Oh no that was not the vibe. Actually I had to pause it I had to pause it and walk away. I was like this is too much. I was about to weep and just wheeze from like shock. I was like no no no I ooh that was crazy. So at like, no, no, no. I, ooh, that was crazy. So at this point, we should

say spoiler alert. So at this point we're gonna say spoiler alert. We have not been spoilery thus far. We have not given away anything. We've only talked about the quality, but another thing about the show is that is not one of the outcomes I guessed. Oh, you're talking about on the mystery level?

Yes. And yet it's still like the show itself builds out the mystery in a very like time-tested way it's like like it's all there it's like it's all there it's a fucking agatha christie novel it's literally but and yet it's also like a show about a depressed community about um family about intergenerational trauma about all these things about the patriot it's like how do they do all that yeah it was it was and i think it's because they got specific with the characters and especially with the lead character we knew so much about her from the beginning yeah like we knew that she had a like a like a storied athletic past locally we knew that she was divorced she was, a storied athletic past locally. We knew that she was divorced.

Like, she was put on a pedestal as this hero of the town. Yes. Yes. She's always chased that, yeah. And also the fact of the matter being that she was dealing with the suicide of her son. And so, just how much we, and I and i think that's like really tough to do like you have to know that in order to get that much across like that quickly in the first episode you have to be really good so shout out to the writer and director of this and craig zobel yeah craig zobel

and i believe brad gillespie is the name of the person. Brad Inglesby. Brad Inglesby. Created and made by Brad, yes, Brad Inglesby. Brad Inglesby. So this was really good because think about how much we knew in that first episode and that wasn't, and it was a compelling episode and it wasn't even the murder. I know, I know.

You know what I mean? That murder doesn't even happen and they don't find her until the second episode and that was also compelling. And so just to be, and I think one of the best episodes of television of the year is that fifth episode that ends in spoiler alert when um when your boy dies when your boy dies but i i never did they did a full vulture write-up about how they had to shoot that

scene over like three separate days or something or there was no it was three different sets but maybe it was shot over like the course of like a week or two or something like that but that pilot too where I didn't read enough of like the discourse around this during the pilot because I got onto it like episode four I came on in the middle of the season

but were people thinking that like the Aaron stuff when they cut to Aaron like texting like I thought that they were that i thought those were flashbacks and the way that the way that interplays with like like it's like kate staple it's it's mayor stapling the katie like missing girl katie posters as it leads up to aaron getting murdered right and so the audience is led to believe that this is that girl and like and then there's an there's an extra layer of shock when you realize it's a different person

and i'm just like how the fuck do you do that in the pilot i think that you um experience it like that and it is a valid way to experience it i did not think it was a flashback i thought i was thinking it was like a different girl and honestly i did not know that she was going to be the girl that died because they were referencing that other girl. And I was like, maybe that's the mystery we're experiencing here. And this character, the girl is going to come into play in another way.

Like maybe she'll get abducted or something. I did not know she was going to be the murder victim. So I think that you're right. That that is like, was like a sort of maybe valid misdirect in the show. Yeah. But, but when you go back and watch it and you know that the son was sending the text and you see her getting the text and sending it's just because i did go back and watch the first two episodes that's the son was sending the text to the dad no the text to the girl because she was

you know now watching the first episode that the person she was texting was John was, was, was John. Yeah. And so, and it's just, it's, they did it well. Cause, cause after that last episode, I did go back and I was like, cause I am the kind of person, I mean, you heard my review of promising young woman when a logic thing doesn't work for me. Like I can't let it go. You notice.

So I went back to the two at first two episodes and it's pretty good they did a pretty damn good job and it's really fun to watch the performances of the cousins uh billy and john now that you know they knew everything that was happening and it's really fun to track the son ryan because you now you see him the whole time and you know he's killed someone so it really fills in the whole thing i mean they did do a really interesting thing with a lot of scenes where like for example when we see and i believe the sixth episode john be saying to billy i need you to say it and he says i killed her like that was that was a trick on the audience we didn't know we were joining that scene in media res as they say yeah in progress but they do that a lot they also did that when john was telling telling laurie yeah

yes and so they did they used that a couple times and so great but they but i never felt like i was being cheated by the show but ever never and it's like oh this is the thing you can only do in a piece of film or a piece of like a piece of television where it's like, you wouldn't be able to do that. And let's say an Agatha Christie novel. No, I mean, it's so genius.

And first of all, I need to, I think this is the summer where I get into Miss Agatha. I mean, also, also problematic. The blueprint, but also like,

you know, Agatha Christie and friends have something in common. Very, you know, problematic past, but murder on the links i mean i'm getting into miss paul rowe dear but i mean it is really it is really it's fun to be a part of it's fun i do think this was superior to the undoing which now in retrospect really

by orders of magnitude yeah yeah yeah it really feels like soapy camp now looking back which is fine like we love soapy camp but what i liked about mayor of east town is i genuinely felt it honestly reminded me of big little lies where i felt at the end of the show it had said something you know what i mean like i didn't think the undoing said anything besides that basic thing a basic thing of like you never know if you think your husband did it he did it like you don't know your partner it wasn't really poignant i mean it was just interesting. But I'm still traumatized by seeing fucking Elena Alves being bludgeoned to death so many times. Like, there are a lot of things about the Undoing that I still dislike deeply.

Yeah, well, the Undoing did not have respect for her as a woman. And they treated her like a body and a victim. Literally, when we find her murdered her face is bludgeoned in but her like decolletage is exposed oh yeah it looks untouched hits an ass or like pristine and she's nude in the very first episode and she's she's that typical like exotic victim that shows like this love and i honestly was surprised that nicole didn't have more involvement in that or change that more because she was one of the producers of Big Little Lies and you feel Hat does know more about this type of thing.

I digress. I felt like Mayor of East Town, even in the violence and in the scoring, there was like a real reverence and respect for the fact that this was a human being. They never like, you know, even though she was- It's never grizzled. Right, even though she was like discovered in a state of undress,

like we don't linger on her body. We see, we were mostly on mayor and realizing this is the fact that this is a child that she knows, you know what I mean? Like, yes, there was a quote unquote violence against women in this show,

but it felt like, um, it was in service to a, to a story and to a, uh, a lesson or something. It was never cinematized or dramatized in a way that was like, all right, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And it also is about the loss of children.

And I think especially like with Mare and Laurie at the end, like, you know, Mare who's lost her son ends up being instrumental in lori losing hers but i think and i think some people are on one side of it where they're like i can see why maybe it was going to be satisfying for her to let her have her son because you know um she knows what it's like to lose one but i genuinely think it was the right thing for her to do because what happens if the kid gets away with it is he's gonna live with that secret and the family's gonna live with that secret it's gonna rot them from the inside and we see what happens to people in a town like that when they give up so it's like i think it was the right thing to do and i felt like it was so satisfying the the moment where

kate finds out where kate figures out what really happens. I mean, God, Kate Winslet. She was not false for a second. No, it was real and grounded and compelling and captivating from every frame. It was a masterclass in every frame. The, like her, the flashbacks are her going up the addict.

Oh, going up the addict. Oh, the collapsing. And then like mustering up the strength to have to... I'm like, how the fuck do you do that on any level physically? It's because she got specific. And I'm telling you, she is one of our best.

And she's back. She's one of our best. She's back. And I will say that she has had, like, you know, Ammonite was, a lot of people really liked it. It didn't slam as hard as I think it, they all think it was going to, but she's kind of had a rough few years.

Like, I know not a lot of people love jobs. You know, she had that weirdness where she was working with Woody Allen for a second, and she apologized, and I feel like things haven't necessarily been popping off for kate since she won an oscar really but this was like i think she really took the time to find something where she could really dig in and get specific i think that she was genius to to work on this and she from the

very beginning also managed to be funny it's like this is such a cheap thing to point out but like her like eating things is yeah is is great it's such a great thing to watch just a lot of like lived in little moments um the relationship with her and gene smart was so that mother and daughter like not even for a second were they like you know it's it's usually right before they even start talking to each other you know they're annoyed and every single interaction yeah and that's important in the in the east coast of it all oh that's funny that's really funny um i'm sorry i'm being such a dumbass but i told you right that or i told sudi for sure that kate

texted jean smart the murder-dirt-er sketch. She did? Because I think she said this on Seth Meyers. But Kate sent Jean Smart the murder-dirt-er sketch, which means that she watched. Oh, I'm sure she did. Of course she did. And can I actually say something about,

not to bring up the, like, women, violence against women as it's portrayed on TV. But being in the murder sketch, there was an actor who was the body, who was playing the body. That was a real person under this piece of cloth. And there was such, even just in this, like, little sketch that was shot over the course of like eight hours, at like, you know, three in the morning on Friday night, there was something really upsetting and

alarming on a visceral level for me as a person to stand there and like, think, I mean, I guess this would be for anybody, but like, this like, presumably naked, this naked woman under a sheet, like, standing there and, like, having it sort of dissonantly be like, oh, okay, that's, this person's alive, and they're okay, and they're comfortable, and all this stuff, and I'm like, oh, but wait, this is just, like, hard, this is, you have to make such a conscious choice to, like, peel back the layers on this and that's what upsets me even more when i think back on the undoing it's like it's it was a choice for them to keep showing that body and the and and and the violence and and the face and the head

being bludgeoned what that's i i do think it's important though though. Not to be, like, unfun, because, like I said, the undoing was very fun to watch. Very fun to watch. Stupid. And it's no disrespect. We love Nicole. We loved watching her cross the street.

And it was stupid and silly, and it was even thrilling. But the difference between this and that is, like, in Mare of Easttown, even in that scene where you see what happens with ryan and aaron there's almost like like an elegance to the way that they shot it um and maybe this is and also just understand that if i'm giving a little bit of a problem out of take here genuinely it's it's coming from a place of like i'm trying to find a way that we can do these things and like it not feel like the undoing felt like when I watched Mare of Easttown, I felt sad for everyone involved.

I felt like it was a tragedy when I was watching the undoing. I just felt like angry and upset. I was just like, oh, this feels like pulp in a way that's just like this actually happens to women all the time and we're just having fun with it and still sexualizing her like this felt yeah different this isn't problematic at all i don't actually mean it's a problematic take um what what i mean is just like i i don't know how people feel about even this being a constant thing. Like literally this is like, you know, if it's,

this seems to be the seven, the, you know, seventh or ninth, 15th show in a row where it's like a girl is murdered. And you know, I get that. It's like, um,

it's, I get that. It's like a trope of television. And I'm not saying like, let's see a boy murdered, but it's just, it just is, you know,

I wonder how people feel about it that it's just again and again and again and again that's all i'm a little worn out by it i don't know i don't know but i i think this is what hollywood does which is they take one thing that is somewhat successful and then they drive it into the ground but um i thought this was fantastic i thought this was this and watchmen are like probably my favorite mini series in the last like decade or so i just oh god so good you still haven't watched watchmen oh my god you jester flop i am going to watch okay so just so you know like i have been branching out and i've been watching different things and also i'm going to be doing i can't say what this is yet

but i'm going to be doing a podcast that is me watching movies and i'm actually quite excited about it i'm very excited to listen to it and i'll discuss more about that later but i'm going to be branching out and getting over myself a little bit more because I am ready to branch out from the real housewives of it all on the reality TV of it all. That being said, have you watched New York and Beverly Hills so far? I have not watched Beverly Hills. I've,

I've only watched up until the, like the episode where they were Ramona. I was going to say they bully Ramona, but no, it's just Ramona being fucking. I want to fucking, you don't love Ramona. i it's i really there are i don't think i have this level of disdain for anyone she is not your girl she's not my girl they cut my thing out of when i was on watch what happens live it might be the reason i've never invited back but I called out Ramona for being a fucking racist.

Well, listen, here's what I'll say. She, I think that Ramona is quote unquote trying. I don't know. No. So I am wary of her at all times because I know. She's lying. I know what happens with her. She's a bad person. Exactly.

Yeah, what happens with her is like a season starts, everyone's like, oh, we're back on board. And then it ends and it's like we she needs to go and then somehow she sneaks back in and she maybe it's because sometimes it is funny and ridiculous to watch what she does and says but i don't think i don't think i don't think there's a value in that anymore she's she's been doing this for 12 fucking years 13 fucking years and it's and it's bad it's tired that person that type of i'm sorry woman in reality tv i think i don't think she should be the template for what housewives are i don't think we'd miss her i don't think we would say that i rarely ever i miss anyone like right now

i'll say this like i love dorinda i don't miss i don't miss dorinda and she needs to go figure it out i just don't like it and this is the thing with there's sonia this year too like i don't miss i don't miss dorinda and she needs to go figure it out i just don't like it and this is the thing with there's sonia this year too like i don't like it when the narrative is so and so is drunk struggling oh i was gonna say like i don't struggling yes is one thing but oftentimes on this franchise they're struggling because they're drunk all the time and like i don't want to watch a narrative happen on this particular show anymore where the narrative is oh this person is wasted and it's stopping the fun it's specific to new york it's they have a serious problem and i think that you know it's good that luann and leah are

sober but sonia she's just it's so tough to watch it's just hard to watch and I literally mean that it's hard to watch it and so I don't want to get to the point where I don't anymore but I may but I do think there's other good things about it but Beverly Hills has been where it's at okay this might be the season that I fully start sort of on time like you know in real time and watch it in real time and we're getting Potomac back soon. I can't wait for Potomac. Potomac is like the ideal current version of that

kind of show for me. Where it's like, I want to like on some level all of these women. I don't think it's that fun. I don't love to hate any of these people. No, me neither. Like, I really love it when it's like i'm i care about what happens to this to all of these people sort of like and that's why like

that that is the value prop of the full of the of the show it's like these are a group of women we're following we're going to see them interacting with each other you should be able to be interested in any iteration of or any like you know permutation of these women in a room yeah well i do check i do check out when it's ramona and i'm like i don't fucking want to know what this fucking dark ass person is going through you don't really feel like you're getting a sense of like what's up up there you know what i mean because it's just so with her speaking of all this the code i'm sorry the covet of it I mean? Because it's just so typical with her. Speaking of all this, the COVID,

I'm sorry, the COVID of it all. Yeah. Oh no, it's hard in New York. I think, I think that it's hard in New York,

but I think like, I love that we're all like ditch the mask for the most part now. Love that. But I think there should still not be too much collective amnesia

about the people who fucking sucked in the beginning, including Ramona fucking Singer. You're talking, this is interesting because there was this scene where like Leah was confronting her about lying about donating the plasma.

About lying about donating the plasma. Which is a fucking despicable lie! Yeah, and so I was sitting there, I was watching with Jared and Joel and I remember thinking to myself like, alright, like, is Leah going in a little hard right now? No, I didn't think so. Then, you know, like, is Leah going in a little hard? No, I didn't think so. Then you know what?

This is what I remembered. They shot it in like October. Yeah. So honestly, I was like, I think that is just my like May 2021 of it all talking. Because if it was October and it had just come out and this is like, and by the way, COVID is going to get worse from this point. Like from the point where they are. So like if I was, if we were truly in the throes of COVID and someone was there and I knew for a fact that she lied about donating the platelets. I would have gone into.

I would have gone into. I fucking hate Ramona Singer. Do you see my face right now? Yeah, I see your face. You're literally beet red. And can I tell you something? If I see her, it's on sight. Well, certainly when, and here's what I'm going to say.

This is coming from someone, we've fallen very far, because you are someone who once saw her on the street and went up to her for a picture years ago. Because this was what, season seven or whatever. This was like five years ago. I was just like, I was just a fucking random years ago i was just like i was just a fucking random little faggot that she's probably met a million different times being like ramona take a picture and i fully be i i walked into that person um as like as in like that kind of

person who would approach her that way and it was she was truly had such dark energy emanating from her pores wow and you could feel it i could feel it i could feel it also the not being able to remember anyone's name ever it just means you don't think about anyone but yourself like flat out and so how can you trust someone like that you need to be able to remember people's names when you've met them 15 times i literally when they work for you i hate it when i've met someone three times and i and they go have we met it's like oh god you make me feel small and of course i would never make an issue of it because i also don't think so honey when i when i do that to someone and i know it's only been one time or i'm just trying to be polite and be like hey we've met before and like and and they go yeah set many

times like i would never do that but i also don't like when it happens to me oh no oh no no i i'm with you i'm with you anyway i'm sorry i just no yeah you had to go off i oh ramona um but uh i will i will start beverly hills i need it's just good It's just good. Okay, but hold on. Hold on. No, you're misdirecting because I need you to watch Watchmen. I will watch Watchmen. You and this new MCU kick,

I love it. I love it for you, but you need to round out your consumption, your diet of superhero comic book-y things with Watchmen. It's one of the best types of, it's one of the best things out of that genre. If you want to lump it in with like all, all the MCU stuff. I will absolutely watch it.

I've just, I've had a few other shows I was watching. You know what I'm watching now in treatment. I wanted to bring this up. With Uzo? With Uzo. And can I say, I think that when Uzo was on Orange is the New Black maybe it's just because Orange is the New Black went on for a long time and Crazy Eyes was such a fixture for a while there

when she first hit the scene I was like oh she's incredible and then I think I just got so much Crazy Eyes from her that I was like okay Uzo Aduba whatever Uzo I love Uzo we love Uzo Uzo is so good like literally there are scenes

basically have you ever watched the old Entreatment? I didn't watch the old one but then who was that woman who ended up being on Grey's? Melissa George so she's fantastic on it yeah yeah but I Entreatment has this weird okay my physics teacher

who was an asshole my physics professor who was an asshole in college, Stand in treatment. Stand in treatment in a way that actually made me not want to watch the show. I was like, I don't like you. You like in treatment. You keep mentoring it in our lectures about, you know, light physics, and I don't want to watch this show.

That's my stupid little hang-up. It has nothing to do with the show. Go on. Well, you should try to get over that, i actually think it's a very it's a really good show and basically what it is for people that don't know is they release four episodes a week and uzo aduba plays a therapist originally it was gabriel burn in the in the original version that came out about 10 years ago 15 years ago yeah so she plays a therapist and every week they release four episodes and she has three clients

and then one is like her getting her help. So Anthony Ramos plays one of the people she's therapizing and then it's John Michael Higgins. No, that's not true. That's not true. That's not true. Oh God, what is his?

No, it's, oh my God. It's John Benjamin Hickey. No, that's not true. That's not true. That's not true. Oh, God. What is his? No, it's, oh, my God. It's John Benjamin Hickey. Can we take that again? John Benjamin Hickey. And then this other girl, I don't know, but her name is Quintessa Swindell, I believe. That's in the trailer, yeah. Yeah. And every episode is like a 26-minute session with one of them.

And so they released all four. And then the next week you'll see all four again. And it's like week one, week two, week three, week four. So you follow their therapy sessions. And so every episode is like a 30 minute therapy session. And it's just,

it's like a long play each episode. And it's just really good acting. And their their their issues that they eventually find in the therapy sessions are very specific like i said before with miravistan you got to get specific and it's just again it's like the acting is so good and then in like the fourth episode which is the one that focuses on uzo every week you get a sense of what she is going through and she's also very personally compelling so you see her at her job and see how the people that that are her clients affect her and then see how she's acting in her own life and it's just interesting to see the like tortured inner life of someone who has to provide stability to these people and help them get to the core of what's going on and

it does take place during covid which i was like eh but then i thought to myself well that's what kind of makes it a show for now is oh yeah you know that's the that's the reason to reboot it exactly exactly love it love it and uzo is also dressed down oh the looks i see i'm seeing from these stills i'm like oh like you love to see her so glam because again i also i only thought of her as crazy eyes and also she was in the whiz and i hadn't really seen her in anything else but no i'm sure she's trying to break out of that but she is she is a glamazon in this and she fucks the actor joel kinnaman who is one of the hottest in the on the who is one of the hottest on the globe and we love to see it.

Hottest on the globe and we love to see it. But I'll put Watchmen on my list. Have you been watching Legendary this season? I have to be honest with you. You didn't watch the first season. I didn't know I loved the first season but I haven't started it yet because I think it's going to be one that I want to binge.

I don't know about watching reality week to week. after drag race i just need a little bit of a break from the reality competition at all i i understand but they're it's so dynamic and i heard it's really good this season it's an incredible season i mean truly some amazing things that I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe I get to watch. Like, so great. We just, we stay in House of Tishi, House of Balenciaga. Okay, I'll get into it sooner rather than later. Yes, you must. Two very different house mothers who are presenting very valid styles of house mother, of house parenting.

But one of them is just going to like stand there and like serve you a moment and face. And the other one is like kind of voguing along with the other children. But both are presenting very compelling cases for why they should win. Oh, I'm excited. And it just looks great.

And it just looks so good. How's the judging? The judging is I ask this question How's the judging? You know, I for a while You and I have been hard on Miss LaRoche For a minute Because when we used to recap Top Model

For Vulture We were really not feeling him we were we did not feel that law roach brought a good energy to the show no and you some might argue i even up until last night thought law roach is bad energy for the show even for legendary even still um but i was talking to josh sharp about this and josh was like i actually like law roach because he is giving you a chaotic energy on that in that setting where it makes sense because that is ballroom yeah it's opinion it's a it's no it really is just like well i i i didn't like your shoes so seven you know it's like well i loved your name so 10 10 that's a 10 for me it's like oh my god none of the none of the judging of the score i just love name so 10 10 that's a 10 for me it's like oh my god none of the none

of the judging of the score i just love you so tens across the board yeah literally exactly but that does work for legendary and not top model because it needs to be exactly be in the it needs to play within a rubric totally and and that is part of ballroom culture where you have the judging is where everyone gets upset because the scores are you know like that is like yeah the essential to ballroom where people are like wronged by the rubric or there's one there was an injustice in the scoring and that's just the way it is exactly or the one particular judge is like is like what the fuck are you talking about? And Law Roach serves that purpose. And then, I mean, the phrase,

you did what needed to be done is perfect. You did what needed to be done. You did what needed to be done. How are we loving Megan? Megan, fabulous. Queen of the world. Queen of the world. Always legs out splayed on that chair. One knee over the armrest looking so cool and casual um and has

jamila sort of uh grown like a critical eye jamila has a critical eye she still has not departed from that bang um and that says it all oh my god I would love to see her on like a damn wig I want no she has she puts on some wigs but it's all I wanted to see her forehead and I actually we probably were gonna fucking get no

I think we should I think we could do we could do with some aesthetic versatility from Jamila Jamila okay beautifulila, okay. Pretend. A beautiful woman. One of the most beautiful women in the world. One of the most beautiful women in the world.

Jamila. Let's see some different shapes along the front portion of the hair. Of what you're giving. We're only assessing this because it is essential to ballroom culture that you are giving us runway by coming out in your looks every episode. And you are serving us face and body and glamour. But I want to see some variety in the hair. Because Leomi gives you variety.

Megan gives you variety. La Roche gives you variety. And as Lady Gaga once said said hair hair body face face for you not just two out of the three and that's a rule of culture 106 as lady gaga said hair hair body body face face not just two just two out of three um before we sort of proceed on too much um i have to ask you what you think of the album of the moment the pop girl of the moment has released her album and i should say i don't think i've spoken to you since her snl performance which i hear you watched from the floor was stunning stunning driver's license on the floor Floor of SNL by Olivia Rodrigo was a moment.

Star-making moment. Star-making moment. My God. Yeah. I have nothing really to say, which I know is so boring, but she was just so, I don't know, she just performed the fuck out of that song. And that is a song that, that is,

that is a song that she, she understands the power there. And she understood that maybe it would have been, it would have been seen for the first time on that show for certain people. I don't know. Um, really incredible. And then good for you was of course,

very fun. She, she was rocking out like, like a rock girl. What do you think of them very fun she she was rocking out like like a rock girl what do you think of them all comparing uh good for you to misery business and if you had to raise the hand of one of them in the ring what would you say you know i mean misery business gets points for being the first it is structurally very similar to misery business i think they're both they're both perfectly valid well i prefer misery business and i will say that because i i good for you is

growing on me like any song that is on non-stop and has a hook is it's certainly not like confetti featuring sweetie by by a little mix for me yet where i'm listening to it 5 000 times a day um but it will get there probably because they'll force it to get there but um misery business came on two weeks ago i went to a trl themed warehouse party where they played early 2000s pop and um misery business came on and when i tell you first of all they need to do this as a lip sync on drag race um second of all it slaps so hard you go on a ride and a half can i just tell you we need to actually rethink the way that queer people who love to dance should relate to rock songs in general nope you can turn it out

you can turn it out josh okay so first of all i went to an 80s themed party the other night and they were just playing like the clash and the smiths and like on top of like the madonna and the you know like and the diana ross and everything else but But you fucking rock out and dance and have fun to it. And then Josh was like, oh yeah. At Ackbar they used to have, in LA they used to have rock nights. Where you would just dance your ass off to rock music. And it's a thing that I think the club going sector of the queers is like like i don't think it's actively resisted but it's like we should we should we should start the movement now to all like bring that and have it coexist

in that space because it makes total sense i mean anyone that thinks a queer person can't dance to rock music didn't see me slam my puss to the ground to Foo Fighters Best of You at this TRL dance party. You didn't see me grind with a man to the song Sugar We're Going Down Swingin' by

Oh my god! By the girls. My dream in life is to be on a dance floor with you when Sugar We're Going Down is playing. Oh, let me tell you something, Bowen. Sugar We're Going Down came on, and it was more than I bargained for. Let's just say, to use words. I've been dying to tell you everything you want to hear, because that's just who I am this week.

Lying in the grass, next to the mausoleum. I'm just a notch on your bedpost, but you're just a line in a song. I cannot describe the joy. That song is a major, major song. I didn't even love that song when it came out. Me neither. Me neither. But hearing it now did something to me.

The same thing happened to, I'm sorry to say it, but I write sins, not tragedies. Oh, my God. And I was, at the time, I didn't like them because I was like, I don't like those, I don't like that pop rock, that like emo. Emo was a bad word for me in high school. Oh, yeah. And because the preppy kids didn't like the emo vibe and you

were preppy and i was and i was more i i hung out with more and more of those types but even though in my heart i did love like yes you can't deny that part of you i just couldn't at the time good charlotte too was just not for me oh i fucking went in on Good Charlotte. But nowadays, oh my God. And when those songs came on, even like one band I did like when I was in high school, Yellow Card, Ocean Avenue came on, bitch. Girl.

Ocean Avenue is a very Long Island song. Very Long Island song. Very Long Island song. All Yellow Card. Do you remember their ballad? Here I go! Scream my lungs out! It's my my uh it's only one it's only one um i they're not your culture well i think denver high school culture in that time was definitely fall out boy definitely

panic at the disco definitely uh there's some taking back sunday there dashboard was huge but also there was oh my god if jenny oh my god if jenny madruga slash oh well she got she got married and i forget what her last name is now but her brother she was like the biggest deal at school and she was she was a great great i loved her was obsessed with her she was like a cool girl but not like in the popular circle enough to be like like she was like cool because she wasn't she didn't care about being popular but her her brother was in this band called 36 flip which basically sounded like blink 182 but they were slightly different 36 flip i mean it's like another like number yeah anyway um oh God. Have you ever heard My Friend's Over You? No, that's Newfound Glory.

Yeah, of course. No, that's Newfound Glory. Yeah, that is Newfound Glory. Like, Newfound Glory was huge in Denver. I mean, like, I definitely went to a brand new concert. I don't know if you know that about me. Oh my God, I loved brand new. Oh, I went to a brand new concert

because brand new, this is insane, opened up for Dashboard one time. That makes sense. But brand new was because brand new, this is insane, opened up for dashboard one time. That makes sense. But, but brand new was like, like dashboard was like, you know, they were,

they were, they were poppy. Brand new was, was like not pop. No, it was, I remember like, Oh my God,

what's the song? But then dashboard sometimes, no, not dashboard. Taking Back Sunday would get really screamy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah brand new it was

oh my god what's the brand new song i loved god i'm never i can't actually i'm looking at all the brand new discography and this is actually too much is it why is it just like you you immediately realize you've forgotten everything i've forgotten

everything and this is actually like i this is flash this is taking me back to a time in my life that i have done a lot of work to try to escape and i actually it's actually really shocking and jarring to be confronted by oh wait oh my god it's i'll tell you what song it is the one song i loved of brand new and and it was the reason why I was like, yeah, I'm actually excited they're opening for Dashboard, who I fucking loved, is the quiet things that no one ever knows. Oh my God.

So keep the block in your head. That song, oh my God. Yeah, honestly, probably the most closeted time of our lives. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Is that it was a lot of just like hetero performance. Oh, big time.

I mean, I was- For me. It was that and the time I saw Jax Mannequin, who I really did love. Oh, Jax Mannequin was great. And I still have a t-shirt from this concert in 2004. You don't even care. That's Jax Mannequin, right jack i don't think that's them mama yeah no that's that's not jack's mannequin yes it's jack's mannequin you don't know me you don't even i don't think that's jack's mannequin okay hold on no that's like that's like that other band

oh god no jack's mannequin is dark blue, dark blue. Have you ever been alone in the crowded room with us? Oh, no, this is, yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yes, yes, yes. No. Who is that other band?

Oh, cut this out. No, we're not. We can't. Augustana, Boston. Oh, my God. Bitch, you brought Augustana into this. No, bitch. Jack's Manic is not.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm stupid. I'm not white. You're not stupid. Oh, come on. Yeah, I'm not white. No, you're not stupid. Oh, come on. Yeah, I'm not white. You were like Augustana.

You are the Stana of Augustana, bitch. I am the whitest bitch in the land. You have white sensibilities. But no, it's just so funny because all this music came on and I was like, oh my God. And you can dance to it. You can. It's so danceable. Speaking of which, oh my God. And you can dance to it. You can. It's so danceable. Speaking of which, it's been fought.

Boy, dance, dance. I mean, yeah, literally. I mean, but wait. And also just, I'm sorry, but Dirty by Christina Aguilera holds up and it could be a hit today. Absolutely. When that song starts and you realize what's happening, you got to pull the fire alarm. Get everyone out of there. I still, there is not a filthier music video.

I have to point out the music video every time. It's just so good. She went for it. She said, Christina Aguilera said whore. No, but you know what else? This is what came on at the 80s party. Faith by George Michael. And Josh Hart turns to me and goes this man does not get the fucking credit no he was a pop star he was a pop no he's a pop star

but he was also a fucking dirty yeah whorish gay man who fucking sucked off a cop. I mean, whatever. But, like, did crazy-ass shit for us. ACAB, all cops are blown. Blown. I am, like... George Michael is actually huge. Yeah, I think he's also so hot. So hot. But, like, I think I need to, like,

actually smoke some drugs and, like, listen to some George Michael in a deep way because I need to pay respects you know who because the children have forgotten the children have forgotten

and I mean Careless Whisper come on you could you could just put it on and never let it stop but you know who

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Stevie Wonder. Oh, we love Stevie. And the ballads oh my god oh it's fair in love oh i could gag literally the storytelling and also the riffing the belting the man is singing like aretha franklin he is just oh my god the vocals are unmatched unparallalleled. Bitch, Signed Seal delivered, Lately, which Kelly just covered. There's so much good, maybe that's even why I fell down that wormhole, is because I think she did a cover of Lately on her show. Far more frequently wearing perfume, that one. And she did it, and I was like, oh, I completely forgot. And then I remembered the song ribbon in

the sky which was my parents wedding song oh um and i was like oh i need to listen to ribbon in the sky right now and i went through a whole stevie moment but yes stevie moment iconic men of yesterday who trailblazed pop and r&b thank you and i think and it's so funny because aaron at one point aaron jackson was like i think like another gogo song was playing and that was just so the beats the bpm was like fucking like 200 on it or whatever just so fast then aaron goes oh now i get why cocaine was the drug of choice back then because all the songs were like boom boom boom boom like yeah just so fast and also the emotional rock what do you mean like like just like that because everything felt like hard oh yeah yeah i mean like yeah uh-huh uh-huh you know somebody like oh god this is another one um two of

the children have forgotten and i thought of it because she sings it in the finale the daughter siobhan sings we belong oh yes and i was like yo this girl this girl cannot be singing this right now but this song it works epic i thought it worked we belong to the night she was singing it with almost nothing you know not okay very quickly this is what I wanted to say earlier when you were talking about like when communities get small, it's, it's hard for new ideas to break through. Yeah.

Um, I think it speaks to this thing where it's like people want belong, people, people want belonging more than they want to believe. Yes. New information, factual information. Oh yeah.

This is, this is, this is a thing that's like come up in like the last, you know, five years, six years of like this new like political world we live in and especially after covid or during covid where it's like oh you want to you want to be a part of something more than you want to be um to to challenge your way everybody. And that is very mentally challenging to, or just mentally hard for people to sort of understand as a meta layer about the way that they process new information.

Yes, I do. And I also, I do not think it was a mistake that so much was made out of the children's futures. I think that it was like we heard about what was going to go on with um dylan's girlfriend after she had gotten arrested um that she was going to go be in beauty school we a big thread was siobhan going to berkeley you know and also the fact that a lot of these kids like you know he's going to juvie like we set up almost all of

the children in the show for what their futures were going to be and i think that actually if it wasn't by design then i think it was a really really dynamic feature of the show was that in in being about generational trauma it's also about uh generation generational experience and opportunity. And I think that the fact that these parents were so invested in the future of these children, it does mean that they're not opposed to their kids going out and having a different experience. Maybe because they are upset with the fact that they're so grounded in their own situations.

I think that's another thing too, is it's like around episode three or four, when Mare looks like she's going to lose her grandson, you know, I genuinely thought to myself, like, what is this woman going to do? Like, if she has no one, like, and you're in that situation, like, what do you live for?

It really felt like the world was very small and then that's a success of the show god my friend is so smart perceptive bitch no you no you but i literally literally all i wanted to know was what you thought of the olivia rodrigo album and it feels like you don't think that much about it I do you know what I can I tell you something because your girl is up in girl in red now and so I want now that the girl okay the moment which did you even

did you even know I did I listened to it a bunch I was just like I thought I didn't think that that I thought this was a better moment no no sour is the moment I there's no denying that I have only given it a full listen through once and then i've sort of like bounced around on songs i think it's fantastic yeah it's really good but i wish she wrote about more than just that one breakup because i want to know i

want to know more about her but it's so good but then of course i think it is it is a time-honored tradition in pop music to write about a breakup, about a single breakup. She's not the first person to do it. She will not be the last. She's very young, and so she has a limited scope of experiences. And, like, Fleetwood Mac rumors, 21, like, iconic songs about a single breakup. Right. It's fine. it's fine it's fine it's fine i guess those artists that you mentioned like we already met them before that album came like adele had 19

and you're saying that you don't know you don't know about olivia rodrigo as a person after you've listened to yeah i guess i know to be a great vocalist i know to be inspired by like 90s female rock singers um or pop singers and that she's influenced like this is the new generation that is as we've talked about influenced by like taylor swift and um you know hayley williams will say like like i think this is an i think she is inheriting a lot of she's she's she's pulling a lot of very cool threads from the past, from the not-so-distant past that feel like, oh, okay, it's just she's trying on clothes. But it's like what Gaga did on...

This is a weird comparison. This is like what Gaga did on Fame Monster, where she had an ABBA song, a Madonna song, a Christina Aguilera song, a Britney song. Do you know what I'm saying? She was doing a different version of all of these other pop mental models that we, like, that we already had, I think.

But again, we already knew Gaga before this, before Fave Monster, but I think with Olivia, it's okay for her to just try on all these different hats. All I know about Olivia is that she's an incredible vocalist. Yeah, I think she's an incredible vocalist. Incredible singer and real writer. Like, I think she's great. Wait, just

before we continue i'm interested in your thing with the fave monster about how each one of those is a different which one or which i really i've never thought of this or heard this before so telephone is britney alejandro is like um an abba slash interesting don't call my name don't call my name yeah yeah yeah yeah alejandro is like an abba song uh speechless is like an elton thing obviously a telephone is um britney spears britney teeth is christina teeth is so christina to me so happy i could die and dance the dark or definitely dance the dark is madonna and then bad romance is like g And then Bad Romance is like Gaga, you know? Interesting.

That is like the center hub of the whole album. And then everything else is kind of spoken to other pop territory. That is very interesting. Like she was referencing a lot on that album as part of the theme. I think, and maybe I've been poisoned by, I've been pilled, as the kids say, by the Pitchfork review that came out

at the time in 2010 or whatever. Where they were like, she's trying out different things. But I think that's true. And I think that's like, I mean, she was like 22 when that album came out. It's like, she like, it makes sense for her to not have

a full definition of self as an artist. To be clear, I do not think that she should come in this fully realized i think there's a lot of expectations on her and i'm not expecting this to be jack a little pill you know what i mean i'm not supposed to i'm not expecting this to be this like this is the one of the works of my life yes and it happens to me my first one because and and even though you knew me before like guess what i'm just as good as you all thought like i i know there's a lot of expectations on her i guess all i'm saying is as an album when i got to the song enough for you

even though i love it as a song you said enough of this when she started singing and it was like we broke up the other day whatever the words are i literally rolled my eyes because i was like you know maybe just some album reordering just some versatility in the lyrical content would have been good and i would say that about anything that i listened to closely and kept hearing about the same thing only because i do think there's a lot of interesting things there and she gets at some really interesting stuff in brutal and also jealousy jealousy jealousy so i'm just like and i know she's a really good writer and because she's so good at writing about this breakup i know she'll be so good at articulating more about herself like i guess for literally if i could boil this down

is i think it's a very taylor album and i wanted a little bit more taylor and what i mean is i think to boil it down as i just wanted a little bit more fun and just and i think that probably what's gonna happen on the next album is we're gonna get her giving you pop dance songs i think they'll round her out that way don't forget that ari started out and she was just giving you like little doo woppy r&b like she was like that girl yeah she was that girl which is like not maybe this is a lazy comparison but it's like Olivia's gonna like start out in one localized genre place the queers are on board

sure are and one or two album cycles it will be full if it if it'll make sense for her if that's what the sort of if that's what the hole in the market is or whatever like if there's if there's a need for that like she will fulfill the assignment she will do what needed to be done

and we'll all like fucking dance our asses off to like an olivia rodrigo banger that has yet to exist yeah i also think so smart of her to target like gen x and gen and the millennial generation with the type of music she's doing and also because everyone really is obsessed with her like our age a crop but no you're saying gen x too like across like that yeah no for sure like it is like with this throwback stuff she's doing she's like i know giving us she's bringing people in yeah and because gen z was already obsessed with her so now it's like oh she's doing like a paramour thing oh interesting she's doing like a weird like distorted guitar like interesting like it's stuff that we recognize and are like into and i also think that the narrative that she's from high school musical and like has this thing is is a fun one and one that people that are maybe a little bit older can

identify with because we all know what the tabloid situation of our day was, you know what I mean? Right. And it's funny. It's stupid and funny. I also watched a few episodes of high school musical, the musical, the series,

and it was not awful. Oh, well, I've listened to, cause I'll go to the Olivia Rodrigo artist page and I'll like press play. You can find you there. You can find you there. You can find me there.

Um, and then i i um before the before sour came out i you would you would play like deja vu or whatever and then it would shuffle to the next song it would be from high school musical the series and i'd be like oh this this is a good song or this is like this is like a great deconstructed version of breaking free or whatever you know because it's like it's like a weirdly no it's high school musical the musical the series so it's about a high school that's putting on high school musical but yet they're going through their own thing so there is like a knowingness to it and like it

knows how kind of frivolous the premise is yeah like it's dumb but that's okay i never was i never felt like i was laughing at it at all and that's kind of the way the eyes like but it also has that high school musical earnest energy too i don't know it's just it's funny um by the time this episode comes out there will be a new billy track that i think will be fun i'm hoping it's fun fun billy because your power is a little bit of a snore it never took off for me it and i think the only reason it took off for anyone at all is because we were excited about what she put out and a lot of people clicked it i'm excited for billy no matter what she does i just think it didn't match the aesthetic shift for me no and we had talked about this like we were we were really on we were on the edge of our seats about what the sound was going to be to

match this new aesthetic and then when it was this it kind of i'm just i'm still a little confused it seems like then this next song i forget what it's called but by by the time this episode drops we'll all know it um it seems fun it seems fun that's all that's all we know and you know allegedly beyonce is coming to what beyonce is coming period oh my god what are you talking about well they were all checking in with each other on like facetime and it was kelly michelle and beyonce who all together make up the group destiny's child okay and michelle posted audio from the facetime and beyonce said she was cooking up some music so we know that she's working. And I will say this. Me and House listened to the Beyonce self-titled on the way back from Palm Springs. I just, I can't describe how good it felt.

I recently thought about the moment that it dropped. I remember asking the house I was staying in like where do you remember where you were when self-titled dropped and some people are like yeah or some people are like no and i'm like okay if you say no i don't know you girl i don't know you girl but act a girl i remember coming home from my office holiday party for my day job back in 2013 it dropped at midnight i saw on instagram that she had posted like it was like a super kind of all the videos from the album was like what the fuck is going i you were the first person i texted i literally remember i remember so because i remember what

you said you said i was like can you believe this and you said no i remember what you said specifically what which was this is a sick dream yeah i i genuinely thought i thought maybe it would go be be pulled down i i thought maybe i said this is a sick dream because i think at that point it was like she had just done four and was still like popping off and it also just on not not just on the super no she had just on the super bowl she just on the super bowl like that was like her last like big thing or not so she was huge yes she had done that the year before or like march march or february yeah yeah and then this came out in december so it had been months but like she had established herself at such a level that for her to do this and everyone listening to this i'm sure remembers but what i realized listening to it yesterday in the car was wow not only does this hold up but it literally set the

standard for everything that's come since and there are true for me there's one skip but there's like you hate superpower i don't like superpower um but you are anti-frank ocean 93 to 94 percent of the album there it's just the best thing I've ever heard in my life. And the fact how it keeps heightening in terms of how explicit it is and how much it's willing to reveal and how far it's willing to go. And then it's still is just so musically beautiful the whole time. And you're just like, because she's so smartly released to the imagery and the visuals,

obviously because of the visual album and the music videos at the same time, you can't separate them. You have such a place for all the yeah he's like oh my god it's just it's stored so well in your in your brain that like i you everything comes rushing back oh my god blow is a fucking song blow is one of her best songs blow partition and well i guess i'm yonsei yonsei yonsei into partition uh can i say rocket rockets unbelievable it also one of the most one of the most sexual songs ever released and it never ends and i I love it. And it never ends. And I'm just like, I just, it's so epic. And then also, XO, I love so much.

I was crying. The song Blue. Blue. Which by the way, is very, and if you notice, sometimes when I do it, I will do,

which is a tribute to Beyonce. Blue is a skip for you? I just the slow stuff for me self-titled. Heaven couldn't wait for you. That's a skip for you? That's fine. Pretty Hurts, unfortunately,

skip. I feel my entire fantasy to Pretty Hurts. No. Every single time it entire fantasy to Pretty Hurts every single time it comes out. Pretty Hurts, you get acting moments. I mean, the visual is important, but the song Pretty Hurts could leave. I disagree with you.

It can't leave for me. Okay, so, okay, how about this? On the album... Because, here's the thing, and I had this discussion. Shit doesn't actually pop off in the visual album if you're watching it in order until Haunted.

What are you saying? Oh, okay. I'm happy that you stayed so early. Because Haunted... No. Yes, of course I would have stayed early. But I'm saying Pretty Hurts is... I don't need it.

It's extreme. It's like the visual starts to blow your mind in Haunted. This is why you need Pretty Hurts. This is why you need Pretty Hurts. Because when you hit play and it was Pretty Hurts, and Pretty Hurts happens, you think, oh, wow, this is Beyonce's new album. And then she stops everything and does Ghost.

And that's when she says, I don't trust the record labels i'm gonna make no money on this but who cares perfection is whatever so she in process of her beyonce album says hold up why can't you just start that why can't you just because because it's more powerful to remind you who she is and who she was and who she's been it's more powerful and also i still think pretty hurts for something she wanted to say. Oh, I don't doubt that. I'm glad she got to say it. And Pretty Hurts, and the sentiment of Pretty Hurts, is one of

the reasons why she's doing what she's doing. It's the soul that needs a surgery. And then she took out the damn scalpel on Ghost, and cut into the carcass on Haunted. So that by the time drunken love came came around we were ready to do a soul transplant so that by the end by the time we get to heaven

she says i'm suturing the wound and blue healed the girls oh blue i'm sorry blue is the last track I can confirm. I mean, we better not forget 7-Eleven. We better not forget the Flawless remix. I'm standing on the sun. Literally. I love standing on the sun.

I was fucking getting my left is standing on the sun. Can you feel the heat on my skin? Can you feel all of my love in? You and me. Standing on the sun. Oh my God, bitch. And also, oh my god bitch and also we are not mentioning um one of my favorite one of my favorite tracks no one agrees with me about this no angel oh i love no angel just just leave me alone when it comes on just let me get in my vibe and first both of my legs go back on your head then whatever you want yeah baby i bet it comes true oh my god she's actually begging for dick the whole time i love it no i love no angel um anyway um well i'm happy that we have this moment of celebration for

her and now now sour by olivia rodrigo just seems like child's play it's not fair for us to compare anything a new artist does with beyonce self-titled yeah that is that is that that is a crazy crazy scale um or curve or whatever i mean she's to listen to this episode and she's going to say, God, it's brutal out here. It's brutal out here. Which I do love. I think it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. And I got to say, lots to I Don't Think So Honey

about in the world right now. But, and that's good. Good for us. I have something top of mind that I got to get off my chest. Okay. Yeah. This is Matt Rodgers' I don't think so honey as time

starts now i don't think so honey dealing with and being a person that needs to be dealt with on their molly come down if you know that you are going to be on a molly come down just put away your phone turn it off just just stay home the next day don't be around anyone because i'll tell you what i don't want to hear it and i know when i'm on my molly come down i just shouldn't talk to anyone because my thoughts aren't clear i should not be speaking i should not be spoken to literally if you if you deal with people on their molly come down you're dealing with a dark energy and you have to know this when you take your molly if you're going to partake in that that for the next 48 hours because it is 48 hours you're going to be

unbearable so take yourself out of the equation because it harms relationships you actually can harm relationships by speaking to other people on your molly come down because you're not yourself i don't think so honey me you and everyone we know on their molly come down me and everyone we know on their molly come down that's one minute and then because then you're being nasty and rude and like i'm like i know what this is so like you should have just not said anything mm-hmm. Do you feel that this is something that you are contextualizing your interactions with other people recently who have also been on Molly comedowns?

Literally, this morning, I woke up. I was in... Yes, I did take the drug Molly on my vacation. Yes, let's just say it. So let's just say I did it. So then this morning I woke up and I was like, oh, I'm in like a terrible,

terrible, terrible mood, but I know what it is. And I know I'm tired and I know I'm like exhausted and I'm looking at Instagram and I'm feeling already exhausted by pride. And it's just because I went a little hard this weekend and I know that I'm operating at a serotonin deficit. I know enough to say, you know what?

Any negative feelings I have today, any like way altercation I can get in, I'm gonna avoid and I'm not gonna make any big decisions today either because I am operating at a serotonin deficit. I don't have my joy. I don't have my faculties and I am not getting into it today

socially honey i feel you i commend you for having that awareness i just want to accept i want i want to tell everyone that i'm bad and i don't mean to center myself okay in this but that has been what i've been feeling for the past like four months. Really? Of just like a serotonin deficit. They, you know, you get what you call like a Wednesday brain at SNL where it's like, you've stayed up for like 19 hours writing and then it's the next day.

And then after the read through happens, your sketches don't get picked and you're pissed. And so they tell you like, never don't get into arguments on Wednesdays. Don't make big decisions on wednesdays don't do and it's like oh that is just like that's a molly come down like that's just there yeah yeah i can imagine it's it sounds and now i sort of understand um where you've been at to be honest no shut up bitch you make me sound stupid sound stupid. No, I literally... But all I'm saying is...

I've been in this dark place. I know. Trust me, I know. I know. And I've wanted to be extremely supportive of that. No, you've been very supportive of that the whole time. And I thank you and I commend my friend. Well, I love my sister.

But I'm just saying, like, it's good that everyone knows enough to say hey everyone's feeling like shit this day so avoid each other because i literally i had some interactions today and i was just like i think that none of us should just talk i don't think anyone should be talking and i think that i could help all friend groups by saying, if you party, the next day, if you don't have to see everyone, separate, girl. Separate. Do your thing. Order food.

Stay home. Watch Mare. Oh, doesn't that sound legendary? Or Watchmen. Any of the above. Any of the above. So that's my I don't think so honey bowen yang do you have one this week gosh this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't think so

honey cocaine you are not that girl you were never that girl you are not the drug for me i did a few bumps of you this weekend for the first time and and I don't see the appeal, honey. It's bad. If you gotta ask, is it K or is it Coke? It better look like the thing. You better know what you're getting on the first glance. On sight. Okay?

And if you don't know if it's fentanyl, if you gotta buy a strip off of Amazon to make sure you're doing something that won't kill you, then you gotta go the other way. I got my life by just taking an edible, drinking a couple of gin and tonics, and I was on the dance floor looking at the pretty lights, just

like every other coked up piece of shit on the floor. I think you don't need it. We've progressed past the need for cocaine let's just end the cycle uh i god bless the cartels for everything they've done for us but we don't need you anymore and that's one minute you know i um i think that what people might say to you is that you're not doing good cocaine. I don't care. I will say this.

I too have partaken in this activity and there's a difference between good and bad. I will say that. I also do not think cocaine is that girl. Have I tried it once or twice?

Yes. Yes, I have tried it. I also don't think it's that girl have i tried it once or twice yes yes i have i have tried it i also don't think it's that girl and agree with my sister that we don't need it that being said i also know that sometimes people are able to get their good stuff together and i'm not here to yuck anyone's yum But for me, it's not my DOC, drug of choice. Not mine either. Again, it just, I think, I think the drug that will sort of lead us into this decade, the remainder of this decade will be psychedelics. There's going to be some, there's going to be some, some big changes in the world of psychedelics coming up. Really?

What makes you say? A lot of, a lot of clinical considerations. I mean like they're like psychedelics are actually being clinically considered for the first time in a long time i know this has like been like slow simmering news for a while and like people that you've like you've heard your kooky uncle say like oh it's psychedelics of whatever but um they're they're like there's gonna be some classification clinically for them in the next in the summer or in the fall or something that's gonna be some classification clinically for them in the next in the summer or in the fall or something that's gonna actually open the door to a lot of like treatment options i love a psychedelic i love psychedelic and i and i do endorse this stripper i yes i think i think

i think mushrooms i think your psilocybin and and your LSDs, those are wonderful things to do every now and then. I haven't done any psychedelic in like a year and a half and I kind of miss it. See, I haven't done any psychedelic in 48 hours. Well, good for you, girl. I just, I have lessons every time. And that's my favorite part. Yeah. Sometimes those lessons can be scary. When you're in the Ace Hotel Palm Springs pool

and a man with a straw hat comes over to you and asks you at eye level, are you vibing? So you were tripping when he did this. Yeah, in truth, the answer is I was vibing. But I just didn't know how to really get into it with him. So I think I said, sure, sure am. And he was like, yeah, said a few things to me that I kind of internalized and then sort of floated away.

But I did play with a big ball in the pool with a bunch of strangers, which felt really fun. The community was strong in the pool. I just didn't want to you know we love the pool community at the ace hotel and and and i i miss you all i'm if you were in the ace hotel pool this weekend i miss you i love you i shared time with you and if you are that guy that was in a straw hat sort of swimming around asking people if they were vibing and if you know you have big adam levine energy um I specifically want to shout out to you

and say that I wasn't not into it if that's what you were getting at. Oh, well, misconnection. Misconnection. I think what a wonderful serotonin depleted way for us to ring in Pride Month this year. The first post-vaccine Pride Month. Yes.

Ooh, baby. And we are here and already tired. And as we record this on June 1st, but wow, it's not going to stop us from trucking along. I am coming to New York on June 16th. So we're going to be together, my sister. It's been waiting for you. It's a new soundtrack.

I can dance to this beat. In fact, because we end every episode with a song, Welcome to New York! It's been waiting for you! Welcome to New York!

Welcome to New York! And to hear the rest of that song, listen to 1989 by Taylor Swift. Just kidding. Fuck Scooter Braun. Don't listen to that. Fuck Scooter Braun. Don't listen to that.

Fuck Scooter Braun. Wait for Taylor's version. Wait for Taylor's version. And if you drag us for mentioning Taylor again, you're welcome. You're welcome. Bye. Bye.

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