Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Max Out For Eliza!" (w/ Eliza Orlins)

Episode Date: November 11, 2020

Readers? There's a new damn president, as a matter of fact. And the Las Culturistas are sort of feeling America and wanting to help change New York City for the absolute better. For that reason the boys welcome Eliza Orlins, beloved Survivor icon and public defender. She's running for Manhattan D.A. and talks with LC about her plan to not simply reform but transform our racist criminal justice system to something that works for all New Yorkers once she is elected in June. Eliza shares how her years representing thousands of New Yorkers and taking on the current D.A. Cyrus Vance inspired her to run for his office. Also, getting your reality TV *MOMENT* in a tube top, how the literal culture that made her say culture was for her (Survivor!) ended up putting her on the map, and some general reactions to the fact that there is a new damn President, as a matter. of. fact. GRLLOOOOOO!!!!! Gonna have to celebrate... THAT one. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Yeah, you can find us wherever you listen to your podcasts or on the iHeartRadio app. Look, Matt! Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Las Culturistas! Ding dong! Las Culturistas

calling! And damn. Did we elect a new president or what? I think we elected a new president. I have a feeling we actually went and did that. So snaps for us. We did that. We were the ones who organized in Georgia and Detroit and Philadelphia. LOL.

No, oh my God. The biggest I think so, honey, to everyone in Georgia. I said that I don't I think that was the most moving part of this was everyone who stood in 11 hour lines to cast their vote in Georgia. Everyone who registered this time for the for the first time ever. And Stacey Abrams and everyone that's working with Stacey Abrams in Georgia. Truly, I mean, they changed the whole voting landscape of this election. And it is, it's just, it's so inspiring. It's so inspiring. And let's just shout out the other women who helped register 800,000 new Georgia voters. Helen Butler, Nse Ufot, Deborah Scott, and Tamika Atkins.

Bravo, bravo, bravo. Brava? Yes, brava! Matt, how are you feeling in the wake of all this i have to say what a ride it was because i thought i mean it really was giving me it was giving me 2018 mid terms where it looked just so bad for the first few hours and i was watching that election in new york this time it was like watching from la it's like you're seeing all the all the sort of doom and gloom earlier

and it just didn't look good. Oh yeah, in the daylight that must be different to get the returns in when it was still light out. Oh, for Florida to be pretty much red red at 6pm was really tough. It was like, this is happening so fast. It was so wild. But, you know, with the mail-in vote coming in late, that really turned exciting really fast. And of course, obviously, this with the caveat of

it didn't exactly go as well as it should have gone in the House and the Senate, obviously. And there's a lot to still engage in and still fight for. First of which is, of course, on January 5th, the runoff elections in Georgia. Warnock and Ossoff are still in this. And that would be literally, I mean, administration making for us to even out what's going down in the Senate. And, you know, as of today, we're recording this on the 9th. This will be released on the 11th. But, you know, still no major Republican currently in the Senate or House

has like come out and said that Biden won the election. It's still kind of really dragging its feet. And Romney in the Senate, but we do we count him? Yeah, I don't really count Mitt Romney. I remember one time he really tried to he really tried to get on my side when I was in high school by saying his favorite television show was lost. And I was like, maybe, maybe he's the Republican I like. And then I was like,

no, I don't think I like a single one. But, but yeah, I mean, for me, my perspective on it is like recount the votes. Go ahead.

Like it'll be the same. Like Biden is the president-elect and we will starting now start that accountability process because as we've been saying on this podcast you know from when he was selected as the nominee he was not our nominee of choice and now comes the work of making sure that we continue to hold him accountable and making sure that they you you know, involve some progressive voices in this, in this cabinet and in this administration,

because the rumored picks are not it. No, Meg Whitman, excuse me. You still do lick your wounds after Quibi girl. Okay. And speaking as a Quibi girl myself on behalf of Matt as well, who was also a Quibi girl,

give it a rest for just a second before you serve in this damn cabinet no get away I just feel like the failing up that is going on with that woman is almost iconic cathartic so for our new readers

for our new listeners we have now interchangeably we've used the word cathartic to mean iconic when it clearly does not mean that, but it's an interchangeable substitute. Just a sort of, you know, it's now words mean nothing, but they do, just not on this podcast. Anyway, speaking of meeting something. Speaking of progressive voices. And speaking of progressive, and speaking of big elections upcoming.

Oh my gosh. This is, I mean, of course, all eyes are on the Georgia runoff on January 5th. But after that, probably the most important race coming up in June 2021 is the race for a Manhattan DA. Our guest today, I'm so excited. I know Bowen is so excited too. So, so excited. She is a public defender in New York City. and our guest is also memorable for appearing on two seasons of survivor which this is actually how i learned of our guests today because as the readers know bowen and i did fall into a survivor wormhole because of quarantine so all of a sudden i was very very very sort of infatuated with our guests because i see a lot of myself in her which i'll

tell her when we bring her in. But she came in fourth place on Survivor Vanuatu, which is fucking pretty great. Yes. And made such a lasting impression that she was invited back for what many would consider to be the greatest season of Survivor of all time,

which was the all-star season, Micronesia season 16, which was won by friend of the show, Parvati Shall competed on the amazing race with iconic survivor villain corinne caplan just relentless survivor villain i mean truly her and our guests both have delivered iconic insane tribal council speeches to the people on the up for the win. But more importantly, she is now a candidate for Manhattan DA. And this race is coming up in June. And after representing over 3,000 New Yorkers who would otherwise not be able to afford a lawyer

and just being an advocate for years for low-income people, brown and black people in the city of new york who just face an insane racist criminal justice system which is as she says in her platform doesn't need to be reformed but transformed and we're just so excited this race is coming up in june of 2021 she's running on a platform like i said criminal justice reform social justice for all especially those that are most vulnerable and we're so so excited to welcome to the pod open up your ears for eliza orleans welcome what a welcome what a welcome it's so great to be here i am such a big fan of the two of you and this is just what a joy you deserve an intro like

that oh yes thank you wait okay can we very quickly just touch on personal history because i i need to know more about you i feel like you have lived a truly cosmopolitan life i'm born in new york but then you like lived in hong kong with your family for years and years and years uh a couple years also lived in beij Also, you know, I have a Chinese sister. 你会说中文吗? 你的中文怎么样? 我会说中文吗? 我的中文不太好,

可是我会说一点点。 可是表达都不错啊。 哪里,哪里,哪里,哪里? Oh my god! I can only describe my face right now as Eliza Orlans-esque. Because my jaw has dropped. Oh my gosh!

That is true fluency. Eliza, you have your tones down. You know the tones. Oh my God. Oh, you're flattering me. Don't be bashful. This is incredible. Well, that's part of the Chinese culture, right?

You don't accept a compliment under any circumstances. Absolutely. I know like 17 ways to say no, no, no, no, no. Like that is not. You say, so the first time he said, you know, my Chinese was good. And I said, nali, nali, which means where, where, no, no. Like that is not, you say, so the first time he said, you know, my Chinese was good. And I said, which means where, where, where it's like, you're not supposed to accept a compliment. And then the second time I was like, oh, it's like, don't flatter me. Don't flatter me.

You know, all these different ways to not accept a compliment because the last thing you're supposed to do is just say like, oh, thank you. But there really are a million ways to deflect. There really are. It's baked into the linguistic culture of Mandarin. It's so funny. I've always thought that was so cool. And I don't know. I just think you've really been,

you've been about that jet set life your whole life. I feel like that absolutely set you up for success on Survivor and The Amazing Race. Anyway, I just wanted to point that out. Well, Amazing Race, we did not, we were not great. We should have been better at Amazing Race, but such is life. Such is life.

What was it that had your family relocate to China? So my dad's worked in China my whole life. He's, you know, I mean, he hasn't now been in a little while thanks to COVID, but he's worked there since before I was born, you know, speaks fluent Mandarin. He's the president of the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations.

So fostering the diplomatic relationship between the U.S. and China. And it's always just been a huge part of my life. When I was four, we went to Beijing, adopted my sister when she was just a few days old. And so, you know, China has just been a massive part of my life. I literally, before all of this, Bowen and I talked so much about going because I want to go so badly. The reason why I was saying, and I truly just did the Eliza face as this was all happening. The reason I said I kind of identified with you is because whenever I'm watching Survivor and there's tribal councils happening and like shit's going down and people on the jury are just sort of stoic. I'm like, girl, I would be acting the biggest fool.

And so you sort of became an iconic meme, really before memes for Survivor fans, for reacting to the many blindsides that unfolded, mostly as a result of the Black Widow Brigade, which was Ms. Amanda,anda sari and parv um sort of getting all the guys out there that were huge threats for the win so i was watching you react to to this like and truly it was so like active and just live you were living out loud i mean yes there it is but i guess like were you even trying

to hold back because you didn't want to like kind of disturb an outcome like what have you always been not able to help yourself like me it's like it's so funny yes we're the same like it's i wear my emotions on my face like i have to work extremely hard not to roll my eyes at things or like jot my jaw at things when i am surprised by them and people who know me in real life are like oh yeah that's just her like you should see her sitting on her couch watching survivor at home like oh my god like screaming at the tv but when it's happening on survivor and you're sitting on the jury you know yeah you haven't seen all the things that have led up to that tribal council. So you at home are watching and even people at home can

be shocked, but you've just watched all the strategizing, everything that's gone down in those three days. As a juror, you're brought in completely blind. And so you're watching it and you think you know what's happening because you only left a few days earlier, you heard from someone, but then it's like just shocks you out of the blue. And I'm just a very expressive person. Yeah, this first season you did was season nine. So this was very early, very early on. So something we talked to parv a lot about was, what was it like as a huge fan of the show to then watch your season and see yourself as an edited character? Because Bowen and I talk a lot about, you know, the dissonance of seeing yourself being represented in a way that is slightly off what your own personal truth is. But yeah,

I mean, talk about that experience. Well, I mean, I think I got just a great deal of enjoyment out of it. Some people hate watching themselves back. And for me, it was like so exciting because there I was like living out my dream. You know, I loved Survivor from episode one of season one of the show. I watched the first season of Survivor and I turned to my mom and I was like, I'm going to be on that show. And she was like, of course you are, sweetheart. And now she says be

careful what you tell your kids because they will believe you yeah and and i you know what's so funny are you guys too young to have had aol instant messenger oh no we had aim yeah okay so i had so obviously aim was like a big thing back then and And on my AIM bio, I wrote future Survivor 9 contestant. Wow. Nine. Because that was going to be the first season I'd be eligible to apply for because I would turn 21.

And that was the minimum age. I turned 21 a month before applications were due. And I was like, I'll be 21. I'll be on season nine. I calculated it's two per season. And I realized that season. So I was manifesting before it was cool. I like had it in my bio, future Survivor 9 contestant. And then I was manifesting before it was cool I like had it in

my bio future survivor nine contestant and then I was like oh my god I'm actually interviewing I better take it off because they'll think that I'm like spoiling I'm like in violation of my contract but I had it up there for years wow that's the secret down I mean yeah so then I like went on the show and so even watching it back and just being like oh my god like i got to do this thing that i had like set my sights on for years like that i like loved that i wanted to do so badly that even when i got a terrible edit and got all this like what they call negative spv if you were ever an edgic fan what's spv second person visibility so meaning everyone was saying bad things about me. Right. Yeah.

You, you kind of got that reputation of like, Oh, she talks too much. She's like, I do go. Yeah. She's like,

you know, overachievers. I think the word annoying might've been thrown around, which I gotta say, they say about me too. But you know, so watching that, was it bothering you or you'd kind of just like, no, I get it.

I mostly found it funny. Like I think even when my mom was there, like I won the family visit, my mom was there and I was like, and I was cracking up with her. And you see like a small clip of it. I'm like, mom, everyone thinks I'm annoying. And we were like laughing because like, you know, I'm like a loud jew from new york like compared to all these people who are like oh i met a jew once she was real nice yeah you were on there with a lot of like a lot of uh southern characters yeah especially towards the end there it was you and miss twyla and scout their name for twyla and scout y'all harper lee could never well she literally did

name one of our characters scout but i mean i was like lee could never well she literally did name one of our characters but i mean i was like she could never but she could never it's actually rule of culture number 38 harper lee could never so then so then you get then you get the call to do micronesia and then you were on the favorites tribe yes and how does it so then now you're there with like all stars who you probably are a fan of oh yeah i'm there with like sari and ozzy and you know johnny freaking fairplay and all these these superstars penner it was it was pretty intimidating and i know i know my love and it you know i caught a couple unlucky breaks for sure not that much i really think i could have done differently right but it was still a great experience i mean i got to be on i got to have

my stick line i got to have be on the jury like it was still a really fun season to be on line what i mean i think you have a couple iconic lines because of course and when so you place fourth in vanuatu so not only are you like on the show but you do great and it's it was just sort of a blind side of you uh at the top four because chris who ultimately won the season was sort of running the game at that point and it just he he just got you and then when you get up there for the tribal council you call them both deceptive lying bitches and and to have your reality tv moment and then you get to say you are a deceptive lying bitch has to feel pretty good i mean sitting at

ponderosa writing out my speech being like and then i deliver it and i'm all you know with my arms you did and that top was great too i was like 21 years old in my little tube top like so basically she goes my question is not really a question. It's a comment. And she says, I want an apology. Phenomenal to come in with a demand instead of a question at Final Tribal Council. Incredible. It's so great.

And so then you're on Micronesia and we can see sort of, you know, it's an incredible season of television. I mean, even for a non-winner, you have to admit and be proud of being a part of that. Oh, yeah. Because it's like so, so crazy. But friend of the show Parv and you, like there was a little bit of like,

it felt like there could only be one highlander like on that season oh listen we had we both had it out for each other from day one and then i ultimately ended up being the vote that gave her the million dollars like you know it's like poetic yeah yeah i remember she she talked about that too like um in retrospect looking back it's like oh had she heard even a little bit of how me and i was being like, then maybe she wouldn't have voted for me for the million. So interesting how things work out. Yeah. Parvati's like the ultimate mean girl.

But she makes it look good on Survivor. For sure. She's a phenomenal Survivor player. Phenomenal. Yeah. I also, and this is just meant in total earnest, like I love the fact that she's transitioned from mean girl into like yoga mom and like wonderful, wonderful, wonderful yoga mom.

I just love thinking about Survivor just being this like frozen in amber moment for people. And then like, they like move on to do amazing things like write children's books about meditation or like in your case you're a public defender with the legal aid society and then now you're running for manhattan da it's like oh this is a lovely like not many reality shows have this sort of long-term narrative that we can all follow and track and i feel like this is a very i don't know it's just very cool to see what you're doing

now um and you said in interviews how being on these shows has helped you deal with people that you don't like work with people you don't like and even just withstand some weird negative assault on your character or aspersions that are being cast upon you definitely and I do think like there are so many people in the survivor alumni community who are just phenomenal humans who are out there doing incredible things, changing the world, fighting against injustice, you know, who've really shown up and supported me and my campaign and been there and like just really stepped up in like such major ways. And it's incredible to be connected with this group of

humans that it's all because I went on this reality TV show and I was 21 years old, like that's wild. And it did prepare me in some ways, because I think there are so many things that running for office has also taught me. And I think that people, you know, you're just like reality TV, you're really putting yourself out there. And you're like, these are the things that I'm going to say. These are the things I believe. This is who I am authentically. And even if they don't see all of you, like the things that are put out are the real things about you.

And so someone pulls like one little quote from something and that's what, and you have to deal with it. And then, you know, I think that, you know, I've been getting rape and death threats in my inboxes for, you know, a decade and a half. So it's nothing new. It's so funny. I like put out something recently, like some, I just was unhappy one morning or something. And I like screenshotted like three DMs I'd gotten in the last like 30 minutes. And it was just like a random Tuesday morning. And I put the three of them up and I was like, oh, this is, by in case you were wondering what women women candidates women go through in general on social media this is just

what I've gotten this morning people were like oh my god this is so terrible like oh I can't believe this this is awful that you're doing I'm so sorry and I'm like oh like this is just a random 30 minute period on a Thursday morning like this is this is typical like this is hundreds of times a week and like yeah we like make light of this stuff and like the horrible things that happen when like i've been zoom bombed recently and and called terrible things and screamed at and you know and it's like you try and make light of it you try and tell the story but also you have to be a resilient person you have to have a pretty thick skin um because otherwise when people tell you that they're going to come kill you or that you should kill yourself, like to like really, I don't know, build up your walls high enough to know that like this is not relevant, that the threats aren't, that most of the time these threats aren't meant to be taken seriously and are just meant to sort of.

Intimidate you, scare you from doing the great thing that you're doing yeah right and i think that part of being district attorney is going to require like a pretty like intense resilience and the ability to be fearless in bringing prosecutions against those who are extremely powerful and well connected against holding the police accountable you know there there are people who will be out there who will seek to intimidate me, who will seek to threaten me and make it so that I don't act in a certain way. And that's just, you know, I'm not susceptible to any of that. Right. You know, I spent, you, you bring up, um, that obviously you're running for DA and not only are you running for Manhattan DA, which would be a huge undertaking as is. Let's talk a little bit about Cyrus Vance, who's the current Manhattan DA.

And I just want all the readers to listen up to some of the stuff that's gone down as Cyrus Vance has held that office for the past little bit over a decade. So this is just some stuff. He declined to prosecute Harvey Weinstein in 2015. He dropped a fraud case against Ivanka and Don Jr., just allowing the wealthy and connected to get away with what they do. He argued for leniency in the case against Jeffrey Epstein, who we all know how that ended up after he raped legions and legions of 13, 14-year-old girls, and just generally has allowed the wealthy and the connected and the white to get away with murder. Something that really stuck out to me as I was researching this, in the last 10 years,

I don't know if you know this, Bowen, 70,000 people have been arrested in New York City for possession of what's called a gravity knife. But Cyrus Vance, he'll just arrest 70,000 people because it's illegal to have this, but refuses to take action against the hardware stores that still sell this illegal product. And as of 2019, it's no longer illegal because that was getting so fucking out of control cuomo finally did something about it but i mean this is a corrupt individual who currently holds the office of manhattan da and it's important to say flat out he is a democrat and it's not this is not a republican da this is a corrupt establishment democrat well it's he's a deeply entrenched incumbent who again who has been in office for 10 10 years he hasn't is it true he hasn't officially announced that he will run for re-election correct he hasn't yet said whether

he's running for re-election but he doesn't have to. And do you want to know why? Just another way in which these systems are built to maintain the status quo. If you had wanted to give to Joe Biden or another candidate in the primary for president, you could donate a maximum of $2,800. And what's the limit for the local election? Like 30 something? $35, you go individual donor so you know in the first filing period we raised 330 something thousand dollars from over 3500 donations which is amazing and i'm so proud of the grassroots movement that we're building and like getting all these people who are supporting who are giving a dollar two dollars five dollars twenty

dollars it's amazing but Cy Vance can spend an afternoon he can call 10 of his friends and say hey I need you to max out to me and raise 350,000 from 10 people in an afternoon it's crazy and this is how you know this is why it's only ever been these very powerful people powerful men I should say powerful white men who have held this office it has only ever been held by white men in the history of that office. In my lifetime, in our lifetime, it's been two white men. It's been Cyrus Vance for nearly 12 years and Robert Morgenthau, his predecessor, for 36 years and four white men in the last century. Wow. Wow. And you, I think, are you the only public defender who's running for DA?

Yep. And I've spent my career going up against that office, like going up against the Manhattan DA's office, representing people who were charged by that office, who couldn't afford to hire a lawyer, who were charged with things as minor as jumping a turnstile, you know, minor possession of marijuana, taking up two seats on the subway. Could you tell the story? Because this is what strikes, this is what really struck me. And you often reference this,

the gentleman with the groceries. Yeah. I would love to hear, so all the readers can hear about that. For sure. So I think I represented him my first year as a public defender. For the purposes of the story,

I'll call him John for John Doe. And John was an assistant manager at a Gristiti's in lower Manhattan. He'd worked at the same Gristiti's for 25 years, made his way up to assistant manager. And one night he was closing up the store at about 11 p.m. He bought two bags of groceries with his employee discount, locked up the store, and walked over to the A train to head home to Upper Manhattan. And he got on the subway, not crowded, put his bags on the seats next to him, and prepared for his long ride home. At the 125th Street stop, two uniformed NYPD officers got on the train, grabbed John's groceries, dumped them on the ground and placed him in handcuffs and proceeded to take him to jail for the night for the crime of occupying multiple seats on a transit facility.

That's unbelievable. And he's how long was taking up two seats on the train? Spent the night in jail. So then you were able to get him out the next day. But I got him out of jail the next day. But that doesn't, yeah, it doesn't change the fact. He's been traumatized. Mm-hmm. All his family's groceries were thrown out.

You know, he was, he, you know, didn't get to sleep at home. Maybe he missed work the next day. Like, all the things that happen to you from being just arrested, even spending a day in jail is just it's horrifying the amount of stories i've heard just anecdotally of people jumping turnstiles who get like slammed up against a fucking wall like these are like women i'm talking i've heard stories from like elderly women who have been like slammed up against subway walls for like whatever fair evasion i guess but they just kind of like found themselves having to like do it and that's not to like whatever but i mean it's just like it none of it ever scales to the actual

like like the victimless i mean there's a distinction to made to be made here about a victimless crime right i mean inf mean- Infraction, yeah. And then, yes, exactly. But the thing is, jumping a turnstile is a class A misdemeanor. You face up to one year in jail for theft of services. So it's not an infraction, even though we think of it as being like, you stole $2.75. It should be an infraction. It should be a civil-

It's not a big fucking deal. It should be something that is never, ever, ever punished by criminalization, by incarceration, by locking someone up in a cage like that. And also not to mention the cost to taxpayers. It costs $975 to put someone on Rikers Island for one night. $975. So like you could put someone in the nicest hotel in New York City, like, and it doesn't call, you know, it's like when you think about the way in which we spend this money to, to police, to surveil, to prosecute, to incarcerate people, when we could be investing that in, in helping people, in investing in people, in addressing the underlying issues they're

facing. It's just like, we need to reimagine this. We need to think about transforming this system and so i would imagine that you are in favor of defunding the police yes we spend six billion dollars on policing like these this is there is no there's no amount of like retraining that's going to fix the problem we need to reallocate those resources into social services, into education and school and housing and food and everything. Yes, yes, very much so. I'm curious what your take is on the current discussion that's happening in the Democratic Party about why those House seats were lost and

why even why more House seats were lost. We're in or we're, we're in danger of being lost. We have these more moderate Democrats saying that the messages of green new deal of defund the police, these things drove voters away. And then you have sort of AOC coming with the receipts, which are here's everyone that supported Medicare for all. And they all got elected to, or they were,

they were all reelected. And what this message is not entirely factual. I would imagine that know you're on that side i mean i think that there are i think that there there has to be recognition that not all districts are the same and that there are people who you know we're in safe districts and people who are in swing districts and we need to address things differently within those districts etc etc, etc. But like, I really, yeah, I really obviously find myself much more on the progressive wing of the party in that, you know, I think that it really is important, especially in places where people are receptive to the messages, to not be afraid to call out the things that are happening, to call out, you know, systemic racism and injustice and these things that exist that continue to oppress and

marginalize members of our communities. And so, I think that there really is no, there's no world in which, like, I would not be calling those things out. But I think that, you know, we have to, like, recognize that not all districts are the same and that there are other things in play regarding how someone lost a district more than just, oh, they didn't support Medicare for all. I think it's more nuanced and complicated than that. Of course. And it's so, I always hate how, you know,

it gets funneled through the media and then all we can see is the argument and not the fact that like, there really shouldn't be a fucking argument. You know what I mean? Like we have, we're dealing with white supremacy in in our policing like and it's it's it that's how it's that's how it was created and you know just in terms of facts you know mass incarceration is up 500 percent over the past 40 years and the crime rates are not higher correct it I mean, can you speak a little bit to that? Like, it's just, that should say it all. Well, I mean, we continue to incarcerate people for things like drugs. I mean, I think like the war on drugs has been like the biggest failure.

It's not been a war on drugs. It's been a war on people. And that's people of color, LGBTQIA folks, you know, people with disabilities. It has just served to marginalize and oppress people. And I think what we can take away from this most recent election, one of the most positive things, I mean, aside from evicting the current occupant of the White House, is that everywhere that drugs were on the ballot, we won. Everywhere criminal justice reform was on the ballot, we won.

And people are finally coming around to understanding that criminalizing human beings is not the answer and that we need to legalize marijuana. We need to decriminalize all drugs. We need to favor rehabilitation and treatment over punishment. And because when we lock people up, we're doing nothing to address a substance use disorder that someone's facing, nothing to address mental health issues that someone's facing. And maybe someone's self medicating with drugs or alcohol, but like, that doesn't mean that locking them up is going to solve any of that. And so it was really heartening to see those measures pass, you know, in Oregon and other places where that was on the ballot. Because this is a really big element on your platform, which is to divert any low-level drug charge

or offense to a treatment program. I mean, that's like a big sort of item on your platform. Would you say? Well, I don't want to prosecute low-level drug offenses at all. I mean, we haven't decriminalized all drugs here in New York, and hopefully in the next session, they're going to legalize marijuana. But I hope that one day, legislatively, they will fix that in New York. But until they do, we need to elect prosecutors like me who say it doesn't matter whether or not this law is on the books.

I get to use my discretion as the elected district attorney, and I will not prosecute drug possession anymore. Huge, huge. the elected district attorney and I will not prosecute drug possession anymore. Personal use possession. We will not prosecute that because all we're doing is either criminalizing a substance use disorder or criminalizing someone using drugs for what, for their own enjoyment or something. I mean, like, but either way, when we talk about victimless crimes, like we talk about things that all we are doing is hurting people, hurting individuals, hurting their families.

You know, people get so riled up and they talk about, oh my God, Donald Trump has a family separation policy and he's separating families on our southern border. And yet, there's a family separation policy in your backyard. The district attorney is acting in your name. They stand up in court every day and say on behalf of the people of the state of new york and they separate families because the people who are getting locked up are people's children they're people's parents they're people's spouses um they're people's siblings and these are people who are getting locked up for things like

possessing drugs and that's why it's crucial to change the DA because if the DA doesn't change, the DA is the person that decides whether or not to prosecute these things. So can anything really change in the city if we don't change the DA? I mean, flat out, not really, right? No, it'll be extremely difficult. You know, like having a district attorney who is like Cy Vance, who's really like extremely punitive, you know, perpetuates this like lock them up, throw away the key mentality when it pertains to the majority of people in this city, you know, low income folks, black and brown folks, etc. It really just, it perpetuates mass incarceration. It actually doesn't make our city safer. When people say, oh, well, what about like, oh, you're going to be letting out people who are

criminals or something. There's like this us versus them mentality. And the current DA's office has really used this language, this dehumanizing language. Oh, people are criminals, felons, inmates, bodies, prisoners. All the language they use is so that people associate, oh, it's them. It's not me. It's them. But when I tell stories like that of John and someone's like, oh my God, like I put my purse on the seat next to me all the time. I wouldn't have even known it was a crime. I would not have even known you weren't supposed to do that. Laying down on a park bench is a crime. You know, it's literally called obstruction of a park bench. You know, putting something down

on the sidewalk, like immovable object. Like it's, there are so many things that are, that are crimes in this city, but that they're only criminalized if you are a person of color, if you are someone who's low income, if you are someone who's experiencing homelessness, you know, and so having a district attorney who thinks about these people as people, as people who truly humanizes every single person. And that all comes from my lived experience of being a public defender and representing thousands of people and hearing all of their stories and meeting their families and sitting at their kitchen tables and seeing what their families go through when they are locked up. And the reality is like, it doesn't make us

safer when we lock people up. We're sold this false choice, but it's not what's keeping us safe. No, because another thing about this sort of criminalizing criminal language that people use where you're saying it creates this us versus them mentality is that it also, on top of that, I think just compartmentalizes our understanding of the actual criminal activity that's happening in our neighborhoods, which is predatory landlords, wage theft, over-policing of neighborhoods just in a blanket way. Exactly. It's letting those things sort of live very invisibly without people having this awareness

of that thing actually being criminal. Like, the way that your landlord is exploiting you is the actual criminal thing. That person is the actual criminal who has maybe never been on Rikers, but is, it owns your fucking building. Right. Exactly. And when you talk about wage theft,

like if you think about the fact that like, I mean, I can't even tell you how many people I've represented who have been charged with theft crimes for going into a CVS and stealing, you know, a pint of ice cream or a Snickers bar or something, you know, something that's truly worth like $4.99 or less. And they get prosecuted, held in jail, sent to jail, you know, etc. And then the person who's committing wage theft to the tune of millions maybe tens of millions maybe hundreds of millions of dollars that person is not prosecuted if any repercussions even come to that person

they're usually just oh pay a fine uh civil penalties you know and it's like the same goes for for you know people who are operating construction sites where where their workers are in danger where their union laborers are in danger right but how is that a civil thing and not a criminal thing? Well, for the most part, these things don't really get investigated. But if there are sometimes investigations by the attorney general's office, then there'll be civil penalties rather than criminal. Got it.

Okay. I have another maybe wonky question. It might not even be wonky, but I'm curious. It seems like Manhattan DA has this special relationship with the NYPD. And maybe this is a Cy Vance thing, but like NYPD gets to prosecute certain criminal cases out of their own legal sort of unit or bureau or whatever. Is that true? I mean, can you maybe break that down for someone like me who doesn't really know how that gets so yes so the yeah nypd i think recently which we heard during the protests moved their their people who sit in the manhattan da's office

out when vance said he was going to dismiss some of the protesters cases in in protest themselves they moved out and it's like what what the hell were they doing there in the first place like having the police in the da's office and having this close relationship where they're, you know, giving money or they're supporting or they're whatever. Like it means that the DA is not independent, is not able to bring the cases necessary to hold them accountable. And so there's just misconduct is just rampant. It's rampant. And the misconduct that I talk about, it's not just, well, first of all, obviously, it's what we see

on these videos. It's the assaults and brutalization and harassment and terrorizing and harming the members of our communities, first of all. But then, there's more than that. There's the false arrests. There is the perjury. You know, they're police officers. They walk into the court. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. And then that person lies under oath, either in front of a judge, in front of a jury, in front of a grand jury, and there are zero repercussions, none. And oftentimes, defense counsel can't even find out about it. Their misconduct is shielded by the DA's office. And so, the Manhattan DA has just been absolutely complicit in this completely repetitive and awful misconduct by the NYPD. And so, you know, it's just past time that we hold them accountable for these harms.

And they know right now that they're not going to be held accountable. And so they really just operate with impunity. And this is why, this is really why I think it's important to let people know that you're the only, I feel like to have a public defender be district attorney would actually be the most impactful means of not just reforming, but yeah, like as you say, transforming that office in a way that actually benefits everybody. 100%. It's not even self-service, you know, yeah. For anyone moved right now, while this is happening, if you're getting angry about the state of things, you can go to ElizaOrlins.com and make a donation. I'm a proud donor.

And I'll remind you again at the end of the episode. But I wanted to ask just specifically about all of this in relation to the pandemic, which is ongoing, even though we have some promising news about potentially a vaccine that's out this week. We will see. Our fingers are crossed. But I wanted to ask you, from your view, has the incarceration rate slowed or decreased in any way as a response to the prison system being a breeding ground for this virus? Or do you still see a concerning rate with which this is all happening? It is incredibly concerning. Actually, we're seeing right now, I think data was just released in the last couple of days that we're seeing an increase in the number of people at Rikers Island in the capacity there. And I think that it is so dangerous to be holding people in jails and prisons, especially during a pandemic. I mean, what we saw is that the rates of infection in our jails and

prisons were more than 10 times that of New York City, even when New York City was at its worst back in March, April. And I mean, it makes, you know, if you think about it, it's like people entering our jails and prisons are already some of the most vulnerable in our society. And during incarceration, that vulnerability is just exacerbated by tightly confined spaces, inadequate access to medical care, unsanitary conditions, you know, no soap, you know, no no toilet paper 30 to 40 people sharing a toilet mess halls where you're sitting shoulder to shoulder with people eating off of dirty trays um you know hand sanitizer is literally contraband when you are in jail there's certainly no ability

to social distance they were telling people oh sleep head to foot instead of both heads facing the same direction when the beds are 18 inches apart. That is not social distancing. Jails are incubators and there's no way to keep disease from spreading. And Cy Vance, during the pandemic, instead of decarcerating, instead of releasing as many people as he possibly could, he was still actively sending people to Rikers Island, actively asking for bail on people. You know, a 53-year-old man died who was incarcerated on a technical parole violation, which for those who don't know means he missed a curfew or missed a meeting or had dirty urine for smoking marijuana. Like this is a person who was sentenced to death because of this and so you know this just means that that the da's policies have more of an impact on this than

ever and and this is just completely urgent as covid once again surges yeah this this actually reminds me of something else that's because it's also part of your platform to close rikers and make sure that there's no more new prisons developed, built in the state, city, New York statewide. That's part of what you're doing. And I also was really struck by, currently in place in Manhattan is the Conviction Integrity Program. USDA would establish a conviction review unit. Can you talk about the difference between what you're proposing in terms of what exists currently? Definitely. And the current conviction integrity unit has no integrity.

I mean, it's window dressing. And it's like the idea that we should be not thinking about reviewing cases where we know that officers are people who have committed misconduct. And yet their testimony served as the sole basis for someone to end up incarcerated, serving decades or serving life. You know, it's completely outrageous. So I think that we need to be reviewing. We need to not only be reviewing for innocence claims, but we also need to be reviewing sentences. We need to be reviewing cases where someone's detained pre-trial. We need to be thinking about those things. And especially in terms of a wrongful conviction unit, it needs to be completely over you know, it needs to

be completely overhauled and it needs to be fully staffed. There need to be people who are working in conjunction with an innocence commission to screen cases, to make sure that we're avoiding future wrongful convictions. And, you know, I think all of doing all of those things will hopefully, you know, restore public trust in this system. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And also, I just, all readers should remember and know that, you know, chokeholds have been illegal in New York for decades and that, you know, we still saw what happened to Eric Garner. And so, that's what we talk about when we talk about misconduct. You know what I mean? It's not just like someone not doing their due diligence here and there.

It's things that result in the loss of human life. So that's just important to say out loud. I think we should probably take a quick break. Yes. And then come back and ask the question. Oh.

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So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying, and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health

is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me. Each week, we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them.

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the Zoom, and you better trust and believe I will. I'm gonna maybe think about maxing out to the $35,000. Perhaps. Honestly, and just remember that Cy Vance can call up his damn friend and they're gonna write a damn check, so we should all be writing the same check.

Max out! Max out for Eliza! friend and they're going to write a damn check so we should all be writing the same check max out max out for eliza title of ep max out for eliza's title of that man i think you should ask the question okay so eliza um on every episode of lost culture east us we ask a question of our guest and that question is what was the culture that made you say culture was for you so this is that thing that happened at a young developmental age could be in the pop culture could be the culture surrounding you that you look back and say wow that made me eliza orleans well i think we already kind of covered it but i swear it was summer 2000 it was the first ever season of survivor it was it was because it was like

it made me me i was like oh i'm gonna go beyond that show like i'm gonna i'm going on that show like i watched richard hatchet along with 50 million other people win that million dollars and i like watched that rat and snake speech you know suhawk and i was like you knew you were gonna get your suhawk speech one day and damn it you did you well I was like, you knew you were going to get your Sue Hawk speech one day. And damn it, you did. Well, like, like, where would you did you did you have an awareness of like, where this ambition was being placed before like, pre survivor? Like, what were you like? Like, I feel like once you once you see something like survivor, and you're like, I'm gonna be on that show. I feel like that implies that you had some sort of like, you're a goal oriented person. But then like, what were your goals before that?

Well, so this is so funny. This is a funny, it's a, I guess it's a thing that everybody does, like goal setting, right? I was like, I'm going to learn Mandarin. I like, you know, I spoke when I was a kid. So like the tonal stuff was kind of in the back of my head. So I minored in Mandarin in college.

I was like, I'm going to run a marathon. I ran a marathon. I was like, I'm going to, you know, take my LSATs and go to law school. And, you know, and I was like, oh, I'm going to run a marathon. I ran a marathon. I was like, I'm going to take my LSATs and go to law school. I was like, oh, I'm going to go on Survivor and I'm going to be a public defender. These are just goals. Now I'm like, I'm going to be the next Manhattan DA.

Wow. I believe you are. I feel such a good energy around this. I know that the deck is so... It can feel so stacked, but I just have so much belief that people, that real people can figure out that this is something that would make a huge difference. And you know, when people talk about caring about local politics, as much as we do national politics, this is what we're

talking about, people. This is what it is. And if there can be anything positive taken from the Trump administration, it's that I know, and I know so many people that know that we will never feel complacent again in our lifetimes, because how could you? I mean, like you were saying, like in terms of how things shook out with the legalization of drugs around the country. I mean, we did, we did have an amazing increasing of the squad in, in the house. You know what I mean? I'm so excited for Cori Bush. Me too. You know, Jamal Bowman, you know, I mean, it's so many people that are going to, you know, become a part of that voice in the house. And yes, we did, quote unquote, lose some seats,

but we gained in that vocal minority in the house right now, which is really speaking for us, the people. So it really is. It's just so exciting. I'm so excited for you. I really am. Thank you. I'm excited too. And I really know we can do this. I know we can do this and it's going to be a tough fight, but I know that we can get a public defender to the Manhattan DA's office and truly like bring this bold transformational change that the whole rest of the country will look at and be like wow we can do it too like you know we can do that yeah that's how we can have justice that's what equity and justice that's what it looks like yeah I have chills I have chills I have chills I have

thinking to myself um I was thinking to myself like if, if only you had sort of positively manifested winning Survivor and not just being on Survivor, maybe you would have won. I mean, not for nothing, but you got damn close. I saved it for the Manhattan DA race. I waste my winning manifestation. 100%. A hundred percent. I do want to ask, and I always, we actually, we talked a lot with Parv about Edge of Extinction, but, and how, what a miserable physical experience that is, and so demoralizing and everything. But for you, on your first season, y'all experienced an earthquake, crazy storms. What was the hardest thing about being on survivor i mean i've never been so hungry in my life it is like this it is all consuming i mean to the point where every time you stand up you like go black behind your eyes because you're eating like a couple hundred calories a day i lost like more than a fifth of my body weight like i was like down to bones like

it was really bad um i was truly starving and like my hair was falling out in clumps like it was it was rough and i guess my question is so you get on to you get on the beach and you're probably like we spoke on the phone a couple months ago and you described it as a shit-eating grin that you were wearing while yeah and then then you go through that experience, which they do on some seasons of, okay, here's a map and carry all your shit and find the camp. How quickly does it set in? How quickly does it go from I'm on my favorite show to fuck, I'm a human being on an island? You know what I mean? It's like 10 minutes.

Like the first 10 minutes, I'm like, we're on the show. And then it's like, minutes yeah like the first 10 minutes i'm like we're on the show and then it's like oh my god it's getting dark we have to and then half the people are like we should just hunker down here for the night and i'm like no what what are you nuts like we're gonna go find our camp like anyhow it's just yeah it's a total it's a disaster it's like immediate and then you forget the cameras are on you 24-7. You're exhausted and paranoid and starving and just trying to survive. So you do genuinely forget that the cameras are there. I mean, it's not that you forget. It's just that you stop caring. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's that you understand them to be part of the environment, like a natural part of the environment almost. Right. But if you had wanted to present some polished version of yourself when you are that depleted and starving and emotional and you don't sleep and everyone's trying to vote you out, you can't even if you wanted to. I've gone 30 days without seeing my mom before. They told us that we were playing for a video chat with our loved one. And then after I won the challenge, Jeff was like, well, Eliza, wouldn't it be better if your mom were here? Susan, come on out.

And I'm like, oh, my God. I always cry. I always cry at the family visits. Like sobbing, like sobbing, crying like my mom's coming i mean it was just it's just hysterical but you're so emotionally drained and just so starved for like someone you love and trust and it's it's yeah well then i because i feel like i can barely follow the 40 chess that's being played from home and i'm like if i am physically drained, mentally drained. I don't have it in me to like plot certain blind sides or like check in on my alliances. I'm like, that's the part of the entire game of Survivor that like really confounds me.

And I'm so amazed by it that the people are able to operate in this very like hyper aware way and like be very nuanced in their thinking. And I'm just like, I can't even do that when i'm like fully fed fully sheltered any of that siri fields is a witch she is she she has something going on in her brain that is she should be president of the united states because because for me it's just like you're talking about all this stuff and you're saying 10 minutes in you're already like fuck i mean well that's like days and weeks into the show and she's able to to engineer this thing that gets ozzy out i mean they all get so brilliant yeah she's so brilliant she's gotta come back she should be like a hospital she should be like a hospital admin or something like she she's a nurse she's been a nurse for all

these years and she's she's incredible but she should she has like the like the the experience to like lead a whole fucking operation for sure i think i mean also like then it's just it's just crazy to me just like you you watching it i think we're this is so insane to say but she was all of us like i always say always say we were going to bring back the expression. Eliza is all of us right now. Um, but like in watching it, like it's so shocking.

And then are you like well fed when you're at Ponderosa, which is where you go. So you, you, you're then you're just chilling and like partying. So wait, funny story. So in my first 24 hours after getting voted out,

so I had lost 20 pounds. And on Vanuatu? Okay. And in the first 24 hours after I got voted out, I gained seven pounds. Are you kidding? In 24 hours. But like my fingers were like sausages,

like at my, like every, because like I hadn't had any salt or anything. So like I had cankles, like everything was, I was like retaining water. It was, I was a mess. And I had a parasite and I was super sick for like a very long time yeah see that's the whole other thing of it all is it like what is happening to your your digestional system not to get crazy here but every time like i was watching one of the seasons during my binge

and i i believe it was caramoan or something and it was they were all competing for cookies and milk and so they win and they're like shoving down these cookies and milk and someone on the other team just goes you don't want that

it's just diarrhea you're competing for diarrhea it's insane that they're and the coffee and all that stuff I know of course in the moment everyone's like

oh you're not gonna do you like ever like hold back and not eat the thing or drink the coffee or do and i'm like no you do and then it just makes you horribly ill like you're not gonna not eat or drink anything they give you but of course it makes you so sick because you won one of those big um you won a challenge which and this is whenever like we were so um we were watching uh the season uh china china and um it was like so frustrating when pg was just she didn't win a single thing and then they all got to have this like experience like i'm i'm always so bummed out when people don't get to have like the cultural experience for wherever they're going. And you actually won the challenge in Vanuatu and you got to have that experience.

Could you talk a little bit about like just getting to experience like that culture? It was so incredible. Like we got included in this feast and we met the children and we got to like spend the night there and participate in their ceremonies and cooking and everything and like it was so incredible like really truly like a once in a lifetime opportunity and so yeah it's really sad for the people who miss out on that not just for like a night of decent sleep or a meal it's like the cultural experience is so so so important yeah i just remember my heart broke for her um in that moment she was like i'm being excluded from everything and you could tell from the very first episode that was the great wall

trip that was the great wall trip right pg won the challenge where the where she did win the cultural she did get to get right she did get to go when the great wall thing happened i was like because i remembered the first episode because she was saying she was so touched to be there because like it's it's you know like it's her culture and like you know it meant so much to her and then when she didn't get to go to the great wall i was like fuck everyone else i was like i hate this but you truly did win that experience and i was gonna i i get here from the digestion of it all because you were like not holding back on that food and i'm like girl i don't know like i get like the impulse control is at a zero because you need to eat but then I keep thinking

their stomachs are so are so shrunk like your body is probably acting a fool after that and I won the I won the car

you won the car which came with a big dinner which made us very sick that was a challenge to win I know I know that and the

loved ones visit that rocks yeah you did it I know oh my know. That and the loved ones visit. That rocks. Yeah. Yeah. You did it. I know. Oh my God. Eliza Orleans,

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I was crying, and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies.

On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place

will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Mike and Ian. We're the hosts of How to Do Everything from NPR's Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

Each week, we take your questions and find someone much smarter than us to answer them. Questions like, how do you survive the Bermuda Triangle? How do you find a date inside the Bermuda Triangle? We can't help you, but we will find someone who can. Listen to the How to Do Everything podcast on iHeartRadio. I don't know if you're out't Think So Honey is related to it, but what are your broad impressions of what's gone down in the last week? You know what I mean?

I want to hear from you. Where were you? What's your experience with all of this before we get I Don't Think So Honey? Oh, my gosh. It's like hard to even believe that it's real. I think it's still sinking in for me that we beat Trump. But I think election night was tough. Like you both were saying at the beginning, this was hard.

And it was not a referendum on Trump and the rest of the GOP, which has been completely complicit with all of the horrors that he's perpetrated over these last four years. So I think that was pretty devastating to witness and to be like, wow, 70 million people. And even if we win, like 70 million people in this country voted for him, like agree with all of these horrible things that he's done. But then of course when it was announced i met up with people and we danced in the streets and we cheered and we chanted usa like oh my god and we waved american flags couldn't believe it was like we can be like proud to be american again you know it's like it's like a let's let's take back the amer american let's take back patriotism let's take that you

know so that's and then and then the next day i was like so do we get to start protesting joe biden yet or yeah i know right yeah because i i spoke with you right after he he announced kamala as his vp and i asked how you were feeling and you were like not great i mean no i wasn't feeling great yeah but honestly but then of course i got down to business and i was like all right now we got to win at all costs like we have to win this um and we can push for the progressive policies that need to happen we can push to end things but like we had to get them we had to get them a win right um and it is historic i mean when i watched her speak i cried and you know i cried watching him speak i was like he wasn't even in my top five. And I'm crying watching him speaking.

It's like just this emotional buildup over four years of really fighting back and resisting and pushing for change. So it's definitely historic. And I'm certainly happy-ish with the results. But the problem is I think some people are like, okay, cool. Now what are you guys all going to do with all your mental space and energy? I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. The work is not done. This just means we have to work even harder. Like this is the beginning. Exactly. And you know, like I said, at the top of the app, these leaks about what the cabinet choices might be are not it, you guys.

And I mean, we need to be really, really strident and vocal about that. I know you refer to yourself proudly as a Warren Democrat. Do you see any role for her in that administration or you think she's good where she is in the Senate? She should be in the administration 100%. You know, she should be wherever she wants. And if that's treasury secretary,

she should be treasury secretary. She would be incredible, incredible in the administration. And if that's treasury secretary, she should be treasury secretary. She's incredible. Incredible. She certainly was. Have you met her? Yes. Three times. Ah, that's the coolest.

Have you seen the pictures of me from the first time I met her? I was walking. Actually, I was kind of just asking. I didn't know you knew that. So I was walking with a friend. Actually, the friend that I was celebrating with on the streets on Saturday. We were walking from Union Square up.

I think we were walking up Park Avenue South. And I was, we were talking about Elizabeth Warren because I'm like, I was like always talking about, this was when she was still running,

obviously. And I was, and I was like, I really truly believe I think she's going to be our next president. Like she's so amazing. And I go,

oh my God, there she is. My friend goes, what? And I go, there's Elizabeth Warren. And then I took off and I ran across the street. And it was the night of the CNN climate town hall. So she was just walking because that's what she does. She walks like 10 miles a day. She's like, you know, and she's very recognizable

in her cardigan and her, oh my God. And I was like, and she's standing there and she's got a few people around. And I was like, oh my God. I was like, can I say hi say hi can i is it okay if i say hi to her and they were like give us your phone so they just start snapping pictures of me and i'm doing my eliza thing of being like like i mean my my like neck tendons are like bullshit i'm like freaking out i'm like so excited i'm like i was just talking about. I love your criminal justice reform plan. Thank you for mentioning public defenders. I mean, I'm just like gushing, like embarrassingly.

I was shaking. And I've met like legit celebrities. I've met like Super Bowl winning athletes. I have met like rock stars, like top number one on the charts, top musicians. And I'm like, hi, nice to meet you. I'm Eliza. And like the only meltdown I've ever had over anyone like that,

that was embarrassing fangirling was Elizabeth Warren. I gotta say, her being at SNL on the last show before lockdown, everybody at that show, including our very good friend, our best friend, Sudi Green, who's worked at that show for six seasons,

never gets starstruck, knows what the boundaries are. She was like, it was the first time I've ever seen her nervous around someone she's like i'm nervous i was like that's her hero and like i was so so so nervous to meet her and it was just such a seamless natural warm interaction where she was like would you like a picture immediately just was like would you like a picture and we were like yes um yeah just like what a what if what what what if what a figure i mean like her and bernie just kind of really shifted my whole definitely view of what can be done of what a candidate could be um that's that's amazing

that's amazing that you've gotten that you've gotten to meet her i know she's incredible i mean i idolize her made the party better too, because like the Democratic Party, like sometimes it's annoying how big of a tent it is because you feel like you're screaming to be heard. But it really was kind of inspiring to see there was there was like a lot of exchange of very different ideas all throughout our debate process and our primary process. And I know a lot of people were frustrated with the primary process, but I actually i actually thought you know at least all of these things are being spoken out loud on a world stage i mean now they are saying things like medicare for all it's like part of people's everyday language you know what i mean like defund the police is it has traction and like everyone

everyone you know if you're on the right side of things you're behind it like so these things i mean we've shifted the overton window on a lot of a lot of topics where you know, if you're on the right side of things, you're behind it. Like, so these things, I mean, we've shifted the Overton window on a lot of, a lot of topics where, you know, people were not talking about these. I mean, even, even on criminal justice issues,

you know, I mean, Joe Biden is the first president elected in our country who says, categorically, we should abolish the death penalty. Yeah. It's a big deal. Big deal.

He says things like we should end cash bail we should abolish cash bail like it is i mean listen is he as progressive as as i as any of us want no probably not but like the fact that these things are being said and the fact that that there are people within our party who just continue to push for those things is is a really big deal really big deal especially those who were on the national stage people like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and julian castro like who who really pushed these things absolutely and you know biden is only saying these things because they were pushed so hard by these individuals or else or else you better you better bet your bottom dollar

they would not being said um so and you know that's because the man's inclination is to float meg whitman uh for the cabinet so that's that's that's kind of where there's a rub um but um anyway yeah just wanted to wanted to get and just before we move on what do you think about um the legal challenges just as obviously someone in the legal profession what do you think about what he is doing is it just sort of like he's within his rights to check that the election was, I guess, quote unquote, fair? Do you think there's any validity to this? Like, what's your feedback to all of us who's watching this sort of happen as Trump disputes the result? That these are completely baseless. He's gone 0 for 10, and he will continue to be defeated in the courts

because even Republican judges are going to uphold the rule of law, and this is an absolute ridiculous, you know, grasping at straws effort. Very sassy week for the judiciary. Very much that. Indeed. Very that.

Okay, so I'm so gonna have to have a sassy week for the judiciary on that one sure on that one okay so now to move on to I don't think so honey

there's just so much to I think so honey and I don't think so honey but I have narrowed down to something it is not political but might be for some

okay so what do you think I'm really interested to see what this is. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, when your things are freezing in the refrigerator.

Okay, I'm sorry, honey, but last I checked, things are supposed to freeze in the freezer, mama. And if I'm going to my refrigerator and I'm looking at the settings and everything seems copacetic, why is my LaCroix frozen in the fridge? I don't think so, honey. This is

bullshit. Because I'll tell you what happens when a liquid is frozen, honey. It's much more difficult to drink. And I, if I'm going to the fridge to pull out a can of something, a can of something, then I better be able to drink it. Because if I wanted it to be frozen

it would be in the fridge it's like nikki minaj said if i wanted to be drinking the pickle juice i'll be drinking pickle juice right now yeah but anyway i have 15 seconds a very similar situation between my fridge and my freezer someone please reader with knowledge on the situation if you are an expert on fridges five seconds the way that eliza are an expert on fridges, the way that Eliza is an expert on our legal system, then please reach out to me and make me understand why this is happening, because until then, I don't think so, honey. And that's

one minute. Can I say something? I am going through this. You can say whatever you want. Are you going through this? I'm experiencing the same exact issue. My Blomberg fridge. The other pandemic. The other, stop. My Blombergberg fridge it's missing an o first of all oh that's pathetic b-l-o-m-b-e-r-g like hello add an extra o and then make me question whether or not this is from a billionaire yeah hello but my fridge and i'm and i'm like turning it up to like

the highest temperature setting but it still freezes my shit i don't know what the fuck is going on and then i have then i'm an idiot i'm like moving the can around though it is better than too warm because like if you can't get your fridge to keep your stuff cold i really hate when i pull out a can of seltzer and it's like not cold enough i'm like what gotta say that is so new york that is so new york fridge no i'm experiencing it here it's it's these shit new york fridges and these, I'm experiencing it here. It's these shit New York fridges and these New York appliances that don't work. And that's another reason why I say, go West, young man, women, non-binary friends.

Come out West, come to Los Angeles. I used to be you. I used to say, no, it's okay. I'll deal with the cold winters and the fridges that keep my beverages too warm and don't cool anything, no. I'm over it. But then again, here I am in a Los Angeles apartment and the

LaCroix's are frozen. So I don't know what to say. Someone reach out to Matt if you're an expert on LA fridge operation maintenance. Please, someone, one of the culturistas out there that knows fridge culture. It's so disappointing i tried

to make myself a little drink before this because you know the last cultures have been getting a little loose on the episodes um this is our first episode with a guest in four episodes yes and we're so honored that it's an honor i'm honored i'm honored um anyway i'll i'll continue to keep the world updated on my fridge maladies but um in the meantime let's have bowen yang's i don't think so honey what do you say bowen yang i have i i have a huge one i think i think it's really gonna start can we start hot hot it's gonna start a movement okay i love whenever we preemptively declare a movement will start because of that i don't think so honey because this happened a couple weeks ago when i said i don't think so honey and then it was oh the people protesting outside of disneyland that had to stop that counter

protests even it was really ridiculous and i just want to say they have not been successful disneyland is still rightfully closed in the city of anaheim and the county of orange um okay so this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey and his time begins now i don't think so honey a 5g get new pr because no one knows what the hell your deal is oh you have people saying oh my god it's it's you know covid happened because people are setting up 5g towers no or you have or you have me i don't believe those conspiracies, but I'm still over here like, what the hell is ultra-wideband? I don't know. You're not communicating effectively what you even are.

I cannot align myself with whether or not I like you, 5G, if I support you, 5G, because I don't know what the hell you are. I thought I had 5G LTE this whole damn time on my iPhone 11 Pro, and then I upgrade to a 12 and I still get the same LTE. AT&T has not upgraded to ultra-wideband. And yet, I don't know what ultra-wideband is. I don't know 5G as an overall concept. 5G, you have to

just present yourself better. You have not had the debutante ball for us to know who you are. You have not introduced yourself rightly into high society. And that's one minute. And I just want to say, when you started going off about ultra wide, 5G, etc., you might as well have been speaking Mandarin as if you were the beginning of this episode because I don't know what any of this is.

5G, I don't know what it is. I'm pretty good at parsing out all of this technical stuff. I have no, I cannot be into. You really are. I don't even know what the hell is going on with this 5G. Okay, now it's time for Eliza Orlins. I don't think so, honey. She sort of jumped back.

I'm like nervous. I've been like thinking about this all day. No. Oh my God. I want it to be pop culture, but like kind of like quasi related. You guys have no idea. I like obsessed about it. Okay. I think I nailed it I think I got a good one that is

a really good overlap between my platforms and pop culture oh my god I'm so excited here we go Bo and Yang are you gonna count it down yes this is Eliza Orleans I don't think so honey her time starts now okay I don't think so honey

copaganda. Heroic depictions of the police. It is a widespread tactic by the police and the media. And I don't think so, honey. There are TVs and movies that portray cops as heroes. They do performative displays of solidarity, sometimes moments before tear gassing innocent protesters. I hate turning on my TV and seeing these shows that are making millions of dollars,

which glorifies and justifies and normalizes the systemic violence and injustice. 30 seconds. Making heroes out of police and prosecutors as a public defender for my whole career. I know that this is not the reality. And yet these shows employ former police officers as their consultants and downplay the presence of police violence against black people. And they normalize police misconduct and violent crime is down. And yet most Americans believe crime is going up because of this. And it makes it harder for us to push for systemic change.

And as someone who is going to change these things, I need them to stop this straight up copaganda. Yes. And that's one minute that was one of the best ones we've had in months oh my gosh truly in a long time right that is the definition of i don't think so honey that is exactly right and especially in like the current sort of way that we all consume media which is just like through like a little um recorded video on social media or something where it's like a little um recorded video on social media or something where it's like this woman crying this female cop crying because she wasn't served mcdonald's properly or something like remember remember that from like june i was just like

wait a minute like we're really just like playing to like our i mean but they think they're being like very calculating in the way that they're trying to, like, drum up sympathy in a way that is, like, very transparent. And it was also, like, almost comical because it's like, I don't care that this cop wasn't given McDonald's. Like, they fuck up my order all the time. Like, this is. But it's like seeing these things where they're, like, like, even, you know, at Washington Square Park when they had like them linking arms with the protesters or kneeling with the protesters.

Give me a break. Yet every other day they're pepper spraying, like batoning, you know, and like kettling crowds. Like it's like, you know,

come on. Come on. It's like, it's like, it's like the cops who took a knee in one picture, but then they literally

zoom in on the badge and then they find that cop like literally beating protesters yes with with with a stick like the next day it's like you guys yeah this is so transparent and honestly just like i don't know i don't know what the right word is craven it's just like so dumb to me that like you think that this is something that we all fall for and some people do unfortunately they stunt during the day and then they show up as themselves

when the cameras aren't there at night and when they know when they know it's not going to be as easy to be to manipulate everyone into thinking that they're like actually on their side but just doing their job like no fuck you and it's also the way that they're portrayed in TV their side, but just doing their job. Like, no, fuck you. And it's also the way that they're portrayed in TV and movies and how like the bad guy

is always the person who's accused of a crime. And the good guy is always like the police and the prosecutor. And it kind of shows this, like it's contemporary, you know, pop culture really like displays that police officers are acting in this way, but they know what they're doing.

They're always extremely competent. They're always like doing the right thing and fighting on the side of justice. And that's not the reality. Thank you for bringing up these consultants, by the way, because that's the source of it all. And I did hear that on some shows, I won't say which,

but like that I have friends that write for some of these shows and that there's going to be changes in the way that they tell their stories. And as some of them wrap up their series, that they're going to be changes in the way that they tell their stories and as as some of them wrap up their series that that they're going to respond to the moment we'll see how well but um it's true it's on if they're on every network and they have been really since the since the you know must see tv days you know what i mean like it was we had nypd blue and all these

shows and it's just become such a, not for nothing, but easy container to fill with narrative, that they do it because it's very easy to be cyclical with it in terms of the storytelling, in terms of the narrative, because you have your built-in characters that you have, your heroes and your villains for whatever it's worth, and it's crazy. And I've been really happy over the past several months to see that discussed and i'm certainly happy to see it i don't think so honey and so expertly now thank you oh thank you hot damn i have to say one more time i was like i know i put a lot of pressure on myself for that i was like okay i have to get a good one. You did it. You did it. And if anything else that has to earn at least a $10 donation from you, reader,

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the thing that distinguishes you from any other candidate, right? Not even right now, just overall, is that you are a public defender. We like, imagine the impact that has to get a public defender in the district attorney's office of Manhattan. Huge, huge, huge, huge, huge. Eliza, thank you so much for coming on. It's been our honor. Oh my God. No, it was so great to be here. Thank you for having me. This was so much fun. We love it. Okay, so as you know, readers, we do end every episode with a song. Bo and Yang, what are you thinking?

I think you take the lead on this one. I can't think of anything. Okay, here we go. God bless America. We can sing this song again. Stand up to be a side. Make a choice. And guide her.

Make a choice, Bo. Through the night and the light from above. And if you want to hear that song sung well, Light and light from above. And if you want to hear that song sung well, go look up Celine Dion's version or something. Bye. Bye. I'm Julian Edelman.

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