Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Most Papal" (w/ Guy Branum)

Episode Date: October 19, 2022

An encyclopedia of knowledge and a true faunt of comedic genius, the truly beloved Guy Branum finally rejoins his comedy nieces Matt & Bowen to discuss all things Tár and Cate Blanchett's towering performance, the brutal Best Actress Oscar race we find ourselves in the midst of, Mario Bello's surprising involvement in The Woman King, BROS (which Guy stars in and is available on demand TODAY!), performative spectatorship, Negroni Sbagliato with Prosecco and cocktail trend culture, how much we love an oral history, the passing of the Queen and whether or not Imelda Staunton will tear in her performance on the upcoming seasons of The Crown, Megan Thee Stallion being a full blown star at SNL, "gut health", Guy's experience writing on the upcoming season of Hacks alongside his new niece Pat Regan, and how MIDNIGHTS IS COMING.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Hmm. Feeling pretty whimsical about this one. This is an episode of whimsy, I would think. You know, we were just in a group chat that was exhumed from the grave. Oh, talk about it. Okay, this little tidbit.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. John Michael, who is Joel Kinbooster's boyfriend, was, I guess, out of function with Joel. And one of the co-writers of the first scary movie approached them both. And basically, this sparked a debate among the group chat of which of the movies are good. And someone posited,

not even necessarily in the group chat, but someone posited that one is the only good one and the rest are flop. We have to vehemently take a stance on this program, Lost Culture Recess, and say that that is so deeply untrue. I feel that I have... First of all... We've talked about Scary Movie 3

ad nauseum on this podcast. It's canon on this podcast that Scary Movie 3, which is of course not the first, but second sequel, which is how you know a franchise is a huge success. When it has more than one sequel, that's a rule of culture number 14.

When a movie has more than one sequel, that's how you know it's a huge success. And Scary Movie 3 is the funniest film of all time. It has great performances. You said that. You did say it defined a generation. You said that. You did say it defined a generation.

I'm not even kidding. I'm dead ass about this. My ass is so dead from knowing this. Can I tell you why I'm upset? Why? I'm upset today because, and it's debilitating. Oh no. Yeah.

I have debilitating sadness today, as you can hear in my voice, because I won't be with you on Thursday at 9 p.m. Pacific Standard Time when Midnight's goes live. I know. Where will you be? Okay, get this. I'll be at Halloween Horror Nights, absolutely screaming in terror, running from hired actors in masks and spooky garb. Weapons. Weapons. First of all, explain this physics to me. Don't give these actors weapons. They have weapons. They have blunt objects. And here's the thing.

This has really happened to me. This has really really happened. When I went to Universal Studios Florida, Orlando. Get into it. I'm there. I went into an American horror story themed maze. And a woman who could only be described as

Angela Bassett took a knife. She took a knife and did this to me, Bowen. Oh my God. She tried to hit me. And I was like, Angela, I have been a fan. I have been a fan.

I've been a huge supporter. You don't want it to end like this. You don't want this smoke. You don't want this smoke, Angela. I will defend myself. And then not only that, but there were easily seven to ten Lady Gagas running around. Sort of not really

trying to strike you, but more posing. Which I felt was right. Of course. How many Cheyenne Jacksons, Evan Peters, you know, Billy Eichners were there? Oh, well, I didn't see any of them. But maybe that's because, and this is what my theory is that that was

really Angela in there. So you thought Angela was in Orlando trying to stab you? First of all, she's an actress of the stage. This is a great stage. That's true. I'm saying like, first of all, can I an actress of the stage. This is a great stage. That's true. I'm saying like, first of all, can I say something to you? Don't limit thespianism. I'm not doing such a thing.

You did such a thing just now. I have doubts that it was the real Angela Bassett swinging a knife at you. Do you have such doubts? Such doubts. Great performance from Meryl. Amazing Meryl Streep performance. She's so talented, Meryl. You know who else is talented? such doubts such doubts great performance from Meryl amazing Meryl she's so talented

Meryl you know who else is talented I was gonna say Lydia Tarr but can I say can I say something

so for the first time in a long time and I always try to honor this but Matt Rogers put it to the group chat the other group chat

with me and our guest put an assignment out and said, both of you, I recommend both of you go see Tar before we record the episode. And can I tell you, I had a pretty light show this week with Megan Thee Stallion hosting. Yeah. And I thought I'm going to have a chill Thursday or a chill Friday after I wrap on this pre-tape to go and watch this movie

that everyone's been talking about that I can't wait to see. You didn't get to make it there. Was stuck in the studio until midnight every night this week. That's okay. I haven't seen it. That's okay. And can I tell you something? I was looking through your schedule because I, of course, have two Google calendars.

One for me and one for you. And I was like, this is not going to work for him, I don't think. I don't think there's enough hours in the day for bowen to go see the nearly three hours tar starring of course cape blanchett as lydia tar lydia i'm not worried about the set like i like i you shouldn't be worried i powered through drive my car last year on super bowl sunday in pasadena okay well first of all can we just say touchdown on that one? Touchdown. And I was really kind of defying American culture

on that day by going, I'm going to watch this Japanese-ass film. Mm-hmm. And I loved it. Yeah. So I'm not worried about the set, but I am sad that I won't be able to engage in a conversation.

I think our guest might have seen it. He did. So what I said was, what I said just a minute ago was, you know who's a talent, and I was going to say, and I did what my brain is wont to do since I've seen the film,

which is sort of drift back to Tar and then sort of sit and thought. But you know who really is talented, Bowen, is our guest. And this guest, let's just say this, it has really been too long. It's been far too long. Since the guest has been on the show.

Shut up. It's been far too, shut up. I feel like this is someone, okay, and this is Honesty Zone. Give the honesty right now to the readers who depend on you for it. We were a fledgling little podcast for, I would say, about a year and a half to two years. We were so young then. We were, and then our guest pulled us out of the

morass into the open clearing where the air was pure and clean and good. The sermon you're giving right now, I'm obsessed. And said, come on my show, Pop Rocket. And that was... I think that

was the first warm embrace of like, oh, here, come in, talk to us. We have this listenership. Who knows? It'll go from there. And I think that was the first building block

into building the second story, the upper floor of the Lost Culture East edifice, the High Ranch. Lost Culture is a High Ranch, and it's Rural Culture number 16. Lost Culture is a High Ranch. How many floors does the ranch have?

So, a High Ranch is very interesting in terms of construction, because you go in, and then immediately you're met with stairs that go up to a second level, and then there's usually a basement stairs that go up to like a second level. And then there's usually a basement. The garage. So technically it's three floors because there is that like sort of area where you decide,

shall I choose the smoothest course? It's Cocoa and Body when you go into a high range. Because you can either go upstairs or downstairs. And I don't know what's happening on either floor. Like what's your Cocoa and what's your John Smith? Period. So I don't know. I happening on either floor. What's your Cocoa Woman? What's your John Smith? Period. So I don't know. I can't wager to say.

But Lost Culture is that. Our guest is one of the stars. And I would say one of the breakout brightest spots of the film. I could have used more of them, to be honest. Oh. Not to note. Not to note. Could have used more of our guest. Of course. I needed more of our guest. I needed more of them, to be honest. Not to note, but could have used more of our guests.

It needed more of our guests. The movie is bros. I'm willing to bet a lot of the Katie's and the readers and the publicists have seen. Of course, we spoke about this film a couple weeks ago. One of the funniest movies of the goddamn year. Listen, I just know from having

a little birdie on set, Bowen Yang, that our guest was a major part of that, which doesn't surprise me in the least. And this is, this is a huge word for me right now and always. Say it.

Was cared for because our friend, because our guest was there, was being so wonderful, was not, was not, was not on the call sheet that day to be on camera,

but was there in a producerly capacity writing the best alts. I said, I bet he was excited you were day to be on camera, but was there in a producerly capacity, writing the best alts. I said... I bet he was excited you were going to be there, and said, I'm going down to set today. I have a little line that says, congratulations, you made it to the Obama administration, but what's that around the corner? This was a high point of the film. True.

A true Guy Branum pitch through and through. That line earned a scream from me. It earned a scream from me. Well, that scream, you have Guy Branum to thank for that. Manola Dargis, more like Manola Faggot, me screaming at bros in the theater. You might as well call me Manola Faggot. We have to get our guest in immediately.

Everyone, please welcome into your ears for a triumphant return to Lost Culture. Please welcome Guy Branum! Thank you so much for having me. return to Lost Culture. Please welcome Guy Branum! Thank you so much for having me. Good to be here. The light of Lost Culture Recess has shown bright from its first moments. It needed no help. Those who were helped with found it.

So much to say. I just love the idea of Angela Bassett taking a break for whatever project she's on for the month of October to reconnect herself with her craft. The immediacy of her craft. I touched her implicitly. Was so revved up for

a full-on three-way tar conversation. I'm so sorry. I was in Davis, California for Parents Weekend for my niece Olivia. We love Olivia. What a wonderful individual wonderful ed was like oh shit i have to go see tar but it is only open in major cities so i had to drive down to san francisco

oh no no for like again two hours and 45 minutes of tar at the end of which i was like again like it was like a ride i was just like give me more of this though and you're gonna you're gonna be upset i i left i left feeling a little different i left being like what the fuck was that and it marinated in me and then i realized like probably 12 hours later that it was i think actually the only relevant art i've seen in years oh my god like what what is what is todd field just the whole idea of like, what is this man who like makes in the bedroom disappears for 10 years, makes little children disappears for 16 years.

And then comes back with this, which like, uh, it was, um, a wonderful experience that, uh, has electrified me.

And it's so good to get to see you guys. What a lovely way to round out a weekend. That's lovely. And now you're in Yuba City. I'm in Yuba City, the prune capital of the world. As you guys know well, I now have an intimate relationship with the California Prune Board, for which I am an ambassador. And thus must speak highly of uh you know

the delicious charm and sophisticated culture of California prunes that people should indulge in whenever they have the opportunity I don't think I could tell you what a prune even tastes like I've enjoyed a prune I bet you have that really tracks Bo I like a prune they're rich and jammy and whiny now tell me i i don't want to muzzle any tar conversation between the two of you i'm happy to listen well okay so there will be no spoilers because it's also like it's it's also not about that so so bowen basically what i love about this movie that took me a second to realize because you leave the movie and i feel a second to realize because you leave the movie and I feel like in most circumstances like you leave a movie and you think what was that movie

trying to say and and I think that like this is this film is about this you know essentially like comically like awarded and celebrated conductor and musician Lydia Tarr, who's played by Cate Blanchett, who is about to conduct Mahler's Fifth. And it's like, it's like they're going to be the crown jewel of her career. And it's just this like fever pitch of celebrating this individual at the height of her career. And basically what the movie is,

is you witness her fall, her cancellation. And what I loved about this movie is that it truly makes art of the question can you separate the artists from their art yeah and in that lovely what i loved about it was in leaving i was like i mean i was so ahead of that movie it felt like that movie was depicting her as a monster from the beginning like, da-da-da, I didn't like her. And in hearing that other people had felt so differently than me, only then

was I able to understand that what this movie and Kate, who is fucking perfect, is so brilliant at, and Todd Field, is it just played the truth of every single situation, which made walking away from the movie and that thinking about it in this regard sort of a roar shock for where you're at on that question of art v the

artist creating it and it was really really interesting and really well done well there's also something so lovely about doing a movie about masculinity that is not about a man like just just sort of take like taking on like masculinity and patriarchy and power and everything that goes on there and then hanging it not on a dude so that it is the same story we've seen a thousand times now just litigating are they bad or not and was and also sort of having a film that was that enormous off of one performance like the other people in the movie are great but this is like this is saving private brian storming normandy yeah it's just one person but just kate touching her ear oh my god she is she is towering i mean like, the way she's a genius,

it really can't be overstated. I mean, I think our greatest living actor, I think. And I say that having mentioned Meryl Streep just minutes ago. I mean, this performance is... And the thing too is, it's a very difficult, complicated performance that isn't trying to make you feel anything it's just she is playing the truth and that is what that is so important in this movie i feel like if there if there is any danger for her in award season it is just that

it is such a complex and varied it's not like it's you're playing an unlikable character it is such a complex and varied performance that there is just huge amounts of unlikability there. Well, yes. I mean, she's not a good person. Yes. But meanwhile, Eileen Wuornos was a saint, and that's what carried Charlize over to her Oscar win. But even a movie like that sort of asks you to sympathize with her.

This does not. This is just like it's just really and and like even the edit was interesting like from from the jump it's a fascinating movie that actually demands rewatch because bowen when i say it ends so bizarre i love that you have to leave being like huh a delicious ending that you will enjoy more than most people. Yeah, but you're going to love it. You're going to love it. You really are. What makes you say this? Because it's insane.

Okay, great, great. I have to say, when I was in Toronto for the Toronto International Film Festival, I pulled in every string I could to get to see The Fablemans. And I am fascinated to see what you boys who think about and understand acting much better than i do what you think after you see michelle williams performance

because it was a brutal best actress here it's a truly huge thing and i'm like it was just that thing of is that too huge like it's amazing. It's going to be really interesting because I think the top three, and I still I'm going to be team Michelle on this one. Michelle Yeoh. Ms. Yeoh. I haven't seen the Fablemans

yet, obviously you have, but in your descriptor of it as being potentially too much and overboard, I'm wagering that we have the brutalism of tar yeah versus the spielbergian excess of the fabelmans and the emotion that that carries and the true gopher broke berserk insanity that touches on kind of both of those things and everything everywhere all at once, which is really exciting.

I have not yet seen The Woman King, but I know Viola is in play for what many are saying shows new dimensions of her talent. But yeah, I mean, Tar was... Bowen, I'm really excited for you to see it. Do you have this week off? I'm working. We're shooting.

We're shooting and I'm working. You'll go at some point and I'm going to my nephew's bris on Thursday oh that's so exciting is this your first bris? it's my first bris and for it to be family is very special

I might go to a big movie day on Friday in Atlanta while I'm there and just watch all of these films the woman king I'm sure is playing somewhere in Atlanta oh yeah it's doing really well it's out in theaters now right? it is Just watch all of these films. Well, no, The Woman King, I'm sure, is playing somewhere in Atlanta. Oh, yeah. It's doing really well. Because it's out in theaters now, right? It is.

It is. It's been around for a while. Like, I saw The Woman King. It's very good. It's not, like, it's not a Viola Best Actress Forum, though. You know? It is, like, very much potentially a Best Picture. Yeah.

But, like, it just doesn't really't really i mean she gives too much space to other people you know what i mean i mean she's definitely a journey but it's also her just trying to establish you can watch an action film about a black woman and have it be thrilling i mean my signature experience is i was walking out of the theater at the grove and there were like six eighth grade boys next to me and one of them was assuring the rest of them it was a marvel movie oh my god i didn't understand i actually didn't know and this this just goes to show like you know that how badly we need this story told um is that i did not know the dora milaje were actually based on these real women i did not know that yeah it was um it was the the royal guard of dahomey

um were were all women and oh also do you know who co-wrote the woman king yes maria bello maria bello did you know this poem maria bello is is the the bar manager in coyote ugly the blonde woman okay wow so she's like iconic lesbian actress and she i guess went a few years ago to africa to like experience like some sort of tour that like what yes that she saw where like where the dahomey like she was just seeped in the culture and said there's a story here and then wow and get this the way that she pitched it was she was presenting an award to viola at some event and she like viola came up on stage to get the award and maria bello turned to her in the audience and she was like i am going to take this opportunity to pitch

a film that i know viola needs to do pitch the woman king to her in that moment and they got off stage and viola was like i'm actually interested in that we need to talk about it and now it's a hit movie and it's like viola's you know slaying but maria bello has been like working pretty steadily like over the years too as an actor she's a talent but she's also a producer amazing she has pivoted to more producing and uh and charity work in africa since pivoting to lesbianism at some point in time in the 2000s. Yes. Those go hand in hand. Yeah.

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weeks, and one of the most joyous times I had was to see Bros. It was really so good, Guy. It was so fucking good. So good. Hearing you guys talk about it was very sweet. I really appreciated it. It's such a fun movie. I hope more people see it. Not enough people have seen it in

the theaters i hope people uh turn on their televisions and get it when they can on the 18th and the 26th it's coming pretty soon oh really oh great yeah they're rolling it out but it really was fun to watch it in theaters with gays yeah okay the best part was was after so i saw it like all of the times that it's like we had openings and stuff but my friend um marina kockenberg very talented television writer she writes for never have i ever she and i go see romantic comedies together and we went inside at uh the grove and after it was done all of the gays in the audience felt the need to come like she went to the bathroom and i was waiting outside of the bathroom and everyone felt the need

to come up and explain to me who they had hooked up with in the cast and it was just a very charming little receiving line and then Gus Kenworthy came over and said hi and it was like you don't need to tell us who you hooked up with I probably could guess

we could guess his long term ex-boyfriend, Matt Wilkins. Matt Wilkins, who's so funny. Was that you at your most papal? You would say? Just receiving all these people telling you, confessing all their misdeeds

to you. I have a very high bar for my most papal, Bowen. It would be hard to assert that in front of matt rogers who has had to see me you know issue bulls or interdicts at various points in time listen on these streets i was just thinking to myself like you probably had your iconic laugh so that it wasn so it wasn't

they probably were like I mean he's here I have to go over there I mean with a laugh like that the man wants to be papalized like I do hate situations where my obtrusive laugh makes me too present there are moments when it's just perfect when at the end of Joel's special recording he was

like I heard your laugh is guy here that's what I want. I just want a gentle level of awareness. But then there are times where it's like, comedians who get mad at someone

for laughing too loudly in the audience. I'm like, calm down. Don't you know what your job is? And like, it makes me feel self-conscious

for making it about me in a very 11th grade girl kind of way. But we all want to do that sometimes. I'm going through this journey now in terms at work where uh my laugh is sort of piercing in its frequency at the read-through but sometimes i love your laugh but okay no the laugh is one thing but now i'm doing this thing where i'm literally knee or table slapping you know like going like this we all know bone i hit table um but now this

is teetering on like it being perceived as performative and that's my fear the thing is withholding joy in a comedy writing situation is perfectly useless and there are some people who are really aggressive about it useless useless don't we know what guy we need to remember what's fun about what we're doing while we're doing it before there's an audience here like uh when i was on fashion police when i started out they kind of didn't laugh even at the good stuff and i was like what's the fucking point of being here if we're not going to enjoy there's no point yeah yeah also it's it's how you know something will work yeah Yeah. I mean, even if you work cold hard math about this shit,

understand that we want the laughter from someone else at least. We don't have to have fun here, but it's better if we can engage that someone might. But when you separate those things of the laughter, trying to outline the audience response, the way it's being received from like the text itself like this has happened like

a thousand times already this season like on stuff that I worked on where it's like oh we're getting lost in the sauce too much like let's just like pull out and just be like oh like this works this plays let's move on like there's it's sometimes it do be getting a little too too too granular.

Did you know that that was actually a narrative in Bowen and I's early friendship? What do you mean? Was that we would scream at each other at each other's shows. Scream. Like, I remember, like, I would do sketches and Bowen would come to the Hammercut shows and he would be laughing so hard. And I was like, that's my girl out there. And when I would go see Dangerbox shows and then Bowen do improv, I would be screaming to the point where people were like, yeah, you really laughed a lot.

And I was like, yeah. And then I wasn't self-aware enough to be self-conscious. I was just simply too caught up in the feelings of joy. I mean, there's nothing better than that feeling of falling in love with somebody's comic voice. There's nothing better than just sort of like, you know, one of the great things about stand-up is like constantly having these new people show up and you're just like i just want to know what this person is going to do like uh you did that for us you did that for us 100 but also i just enjoyed so much what you did i like i will never forget that i got to meet matt through his performance i

appreciate very greatly bow and i just had to meet at a gay party um surrounded by gays talking about how much bitcoin they had wait what okay so that night that i met you there was this guy who attempted to brag to me about how much bitcoin he had and i was just like fuck you i did not say this but my attitude was generally i'm from los angeles you should not brag to me about how rich you are you should brag to me about your industry power or fame and your fame should proceed sure um and then since then all i can think about is how much bitcoin he had he had like this was like 2015 this was like a while ago no he had like in the tens of thousands i believe like. Like that is if he is held onto a very wealthy man. Sure.

Sure. Good for him. Good for him. He needs to get back in touch with you. Now it seems like you might be interested in what he has to say. It's true. He might be a very wealthy person now. I know, but there are stealth crypto fags out there and they're, and they're among us.

Oh, I know them. They're, they're really among us. Oh, I know them. They're really among us. And then I celebrate them. It was very much like it was a man wearing a blazer at gay nights and he had that feel about him and I was just like, I'm from the West Coast, I don't know how to deal with this.

Gay nights where? Do you recall? It was in New York. Was it called Pretty Ugly? Yes. you recall it was in new york it was was it called pretty was it called pretty ugly or yes yes yes pretty ugly i remember that party was that was that was at the ace hotel no it was not but it was like it was in the venue of some sort of weird tony and tina's wedding like um interactive theater experience. And I just remember being unused to Hell's Kitchen and

having dancer bodies all over the place. Anytime somebody had very visible pecs and a very visible ass underneath their clothes, I went up and asked if they were Broadway's Spider-Man. Matt Wilkis really was. Matt Wilkis was a Spider-Man. Did you know that? Of course. He really was Spider-Man. We were-man yes did you know that of course he really was spider-man

no there was one time he was we were at a party at jeffrey self's house and he was having back pain and everyone was very solicitous about like offering help i was like why do they care so much and then i was like oh these are injuries he sustained as spider-man that's why everybody cares so much wow like honestly just to be on the front lines at spider-man turn off the dark one of the greatest theatrical wars we've seen when arachne swang from the ceiling honey people died nobody was killed i bought the book about it but have not read it there's the book what book there's a book there's a book there's a book history yeah i love an oral history can i say it feels like the girls can really talk shit yes i i want them to do a oral history for a fire island so

bad so everyone can know all the tea i'm ready to spill boan did you read the tom shales book before you went to snl i've never given it a full read and i i've read bits and pieces i would like hop around to like the eras that I loved I did Pre-75 the first couple seasons all the way up to the New Orleans episode and then I went to the 90s and then for the 40th

they did an update I assume they'll do one for the 50th too but this is my question please comment on this is it too I would never be caught dead on the subway, like reading a hard copy of it. Can you imagine just like you reading the, like the SNL book? Disgusting.

But I do, I do, I do think it's worth giving it like a full read through, right? Is that terrible of me? No, I like, I don't think so. I love doing research. I love doing research about anything. And I feel like it's weird to start work with somebody about whom you can know a great deal and to not know a great deal about them. I feel like I dropped the ball every time I did. I tell you girls story.

Yes, you really can. When we did the table read for the only other movie I've been in, no strings attached with Natalie Portman. I sat next to this woman and I was like balsam is her last name is this martin balsam's daughter do i not remember and then i only as i was leaving i was like guy that is the only other woman who's been that's at that time the only person who had been married to george clooney miss talia balsam now married to uh what's his name from uh from madman um john slattery yes and that was a situation where if I had prepared properly, I would have been able to make her my friend within 90 seconds

and then ask her questions about being married to George Clooney, and I dropped the ball. I have to say, I had forgotten that she is also an instrument in that great symphony of a film. Like, one of my favorite things ever is that the supporting cast of that film like one of my favorite things ever is that is that the supporting cast of that movie is what it is i mean the supporting cast of that movie is all over the place and it's always fun to know like olivia thoroughby you and i have a thread together

one time on the streets in manhattan olivia thoroughby accosted me and she was she was like i know you he was like you're a Aaron's publicist or something like that. I was like, no, we were in a movie together. She's like, no, you're not. She was very certain of who I was and it was like accessory gay to someone she knows and I was like, no, we were not. I have to spam.

Olivia Thoroughby, you saw Juno and you were like, who is that? I feel like she should be doing more. She fits into this mold now of like I can see her so clearly saw juno and you were like who is that yes yeah i wish i know i feel like she should be doing more into this mold now of like i i can see her so clearly in my mind like in a movie now yes it must be so rough for those people who have to have somebody else create the correct vehicle for them you know what i mean and there is something so nice about just being like well the thing that is holding me back is that i have been too lazy or unfocused to put

together the thing i need to for myself period i mean literally the daily struggle but wait what this iconic matt and bowen moment brings me to someone who is finally getting a moment bowen took me years ago to go see the film thoroughbreds and it starred anya teller joy who of course you know popped all the way off and the other actress was olivia cook who i thought was just as good i was like the girl it gives a stunning performance and i i have been waiting for years for her to find that and now she is i guess in the dragon. She's full on in the House of the Dragon and she's of course going viral right now for that Negroni

Spagliato with Prosecco. Oh, stunning. That's her. She's, oh, stunning. And I was like, wow, for this to be, not the Dragon show, but for this meme to be your vehicle to great success, you go girl. Am I missing something? Is it just popping off because they said it

sexy or something? I think that's kind of what it is. I mean, it's rich bisexual energy of maybe a sort that eludes me. Sure, sure, sure. Well, now it's the drink of the fall. I don't fucking know.

Although bartenders are slamming their absolute head into the wall because they don't want to make that. This is the cycle now of like conventional, like seasonally conventional cocktails where it's like, everyone's ordering an espresso martini, everyone's ordering like Dirty Shirley's,

everyone's ordering Aperol's. Trends are going to shift. You have to deal with the waves that come at you, you bartenders. I want to recommend both of you reading material if you want yes i'm reading this book now i'm reading this book now you actually would both love this uh by this guy named w david marks i think but this the book is just called status and culture and it basically writes about how like the reason why trend cycles are so quick now is because

because status is broken down and like people who have high status aren't respected as much as they used to and people with low status kind of have the pseudo high status like so it's all mixed up oh and the show that i just sold to abc is about congratulations thank you uh what a terrible wreck but uh it's about three families with the same income who have different classes. And just the fact that we don't talk about the way that class is not just a factor of how much money you make, but truly like how metal is your straw and how, you know, orange is your cocktail and shit like that. So that actually sounds like perfect reading material for me right now. Responsible research.

It's interesting. It's a very great book that pertains to things that we think about. Anyway, Olivia. But no, to pivot back to tar. Okay. One of the things that was amazing about tar was like rerouting yourself in

this very Manhattan world of people who are so certain that they have control of the culture. And it is such like an abstruse and rarefied and weird world that like most people don't care about yes but still you know the people in control still get down on their knees and suck the dick of lydia tar petra's father yes petra's father there's a scene bellin where i it's not spoiler, but she finds out her daughter is being bullied at school and she shows up and goes over to this truly eight-year-old girl and is like, shoos the other girls away that are standing with her, having a conversation.

And she kind of gets down on her level and she goes, she says, I'm Petra's father. And she basically says to her, if you ever mess with my daughter again, I'm going to get you. And if you tell any with my daughter again i'm gonna get you and if you tell any adults they will not believe you so you can which you can do if you want but i'm just telling you it has to stop or i'm gonna get you and no one will believe you because i'm an adult and the little girl goes away wow but it's iconic and her performance is so again just like so fearsome but controlled yeah what i was pulling from what you were saying guy was i think that the more i work in this industry the more i realize that these people that have been lifted up and put on pedestals

like there's always an ass to show at some point and And what I love about Cate Blanchett's performance in Tar is it is the best performance of a douchebag I have ever seen. She is such a douche. And you start watching it and you think because of the way the movie is presenting itself and the way that she presents herself in the film and the way that the film is sort of, you know, presenting her, you think, oh, this must be something I should take seriously. This must be like a stark drama

about whatever's going on here. And then you realize it's actually very explicitly a satire. It is a laugh out loud talk. And it's hilarious. Amazing. Is it sort of like, by the end of the movie, you're like, oh oh who the fuck cares

that she's this conductor or no i mean the thing is no no what's beautiful about it is like she's a genius and there's never a moment that you question she's a genius but there are so many moments where you think about the ways that politics and ruthlessness and talent and hard work the way like what makes a genius like it really is what makes a genius and so frequently when they ask we ask that question it's like well i guess we have to put up with what mozart is doing because he gives us this music and this is not like this is a movie that like is not saying oh well we have to put up with it he's so good at what he does and yeah we shouldn't be talking about it because you should be able to experience it okay okay oh but this is so

interesting to me this is so interesting to me because i keep running into this thing where like people don't ultimately give a shit about what i do i don't give a shit about what other people do who get mad at the stuff that i'm being i'm sort of talking around a lot of things but like so the other thing the book talks about is like status groups there are different conventions among different status groups and that there are different markers of status in those groups and different hierarchies within those anyway is this something that's sort of

percolating in the film? I think so I think the fact that you are actually reading this is going to lend itself to a very interesting read on the movie because it's also a lot about the packaging and presentation of genius you know what i'm saying it's like it's like this sort of um agreed upon fact that this character lydia tar is basically she's like the closest thing to mozart since mozart i mean like she is she breathes art and knowing that about herself and knowing that she has to maintain that there comes with that like of course the douchebaggery i'm talking about that that has

to happen whenever you're talking about your own accomplishments and but it's just such an incredible study of someone who has bought their own hype to the point where they actually have forgotten who they are at all and people don't matter to her because she's not a grounded emotional human being like there's one relationship in her life is not transactional which is actually a line that's said to her by her wife she's like you've got one relationship in your life that isn't transactional and that's one with your daughter but then i also think that that relationship't transactional and that's the one with her daughter but then i also think that that relationship is transactional in many ways so it's a very interesting thing can i hear that argument from you because there was there was a journalist who quoted that as though it were her own there's one relationship in her life that isn't transactional and i'm like that's in the

movie and also anything that's stated to you in a movie you should question but i want to hear your like my opinion on her is that and you see this in at the end of the movie i think she's obviously she's a disgusting person she's incredibly talented and i think that she like any predator um the number one thing she covets is control yeah and i think that she wants to dominate and i think that obviously you know we don't get into her backstory a ton but we see enough that she's obviously very ashamed of yes maybe a certain segment of her life i'm not saying too much but the thing is like what i felt in that scene which is obviously sort of the relationship she has with her daughter is summed

up in this scene with the child when she goes and intimidates the bully at school is this is another way she can get off on being a dominator. Yeah. So it's less about protecting her daughter and more about being able to enter a space and let someone know that if she wanted to, she could ruin your life. And I think that that also comes into play at the end of the film when you see, you know, where she ends up.

Yeah. Because while that atmosphere is so insane and surreal to behold and you leave the movie thinking what the fuck it is still an environment that she can dominate yeah and that ultimately is the number one most important thing to her no matter how much she justifies to herself that it's about art it's actually about dominance i'm sure she loves music i'm sure that she loves what she does and she's incredibly talented at it but it is very clear to me that this person is a classic capital p predator because what they want most of all is to be well there's the de facto dominator of any circumstance there's the way that you see people we see people around us

who seek fame to some extent so that they can stop being people you they sort of want to stop being people and there's that weird way that like watching lydia tar try to compose in a room on her own with no one telling her how great she is she has so little capacity she can't do it to figure out what she should be composing. And the thing is, is like, I think that this is a truth. It's so hard for people who are successful to get off of their own

bullshit enough to keep making things. And when I see the people who do that, I am always really impressed. You know, the people who, yeah. Well, when there was eyes on you,

I think that I think like, it's so true too it's like even if you're the most creative person ever and you're a prolific person yeah when there are eyes on you like the way that you create work just changes i mean like when you're fucking around in a basement when we met you yeah like yeah it's harder to create with people watching it just is it's interesting to see it play out in this movie because it's not just that people are watching what she seems comfortable with it's that she has to think about um the way she may be responsible to a certain situation and she cannot get out of her own way and i do think that that what's

interesting about that is watching that converge with the idea of creating art yeah and whether or not even fucking matters you know because ultimately it doesn't it doesn't fucking matter at the end of the movie that she's a genius. That's why we almost never hear any of her work. It doesn't fucking matter. This is about an individual who's... Here's something, and I say this as someone who's not seen the movie, so this is probably total, total bullshit.

Oh my god, I'm edging for you to see this. The opposite of creation or creativity is control, because if you're creating something, you're sort of putting it out into the world, and if you're controlling something, you're just sort of exerting yourself on something that's already there. I mean, whatever. Is that something? That's absolutely true. And once you have status, part of you is always going to be conservative to try to control and maintain that status. And you're not going to be able to make those same kinds of risks it's why i always try to when twitter becomes like unrepentant shit talking

i always try so hard to remind myself how much i would be shit talking to be funny in the same way if i were 20 you know like i just think there is that feeling of like striking out from powerlessness does have a great deal of creative chaotic energy to it yeah and i have to respect that while at the same time being almost constantly annoyed by it yeah well you know you can like you we all are participating in what we're in in the atmosphere that we're given to participate yeah i i think about that all the time it's just like to go from snarky faggots online to

faggots who are snarked at people actually sometimes give us the opportunity to do this and then to be faggots that are snarked at we deserve it ultimately it's also like you can't get too mad because but it's just it's a really really really

fascinating interesting movie and i also think like if if people were listening to this episode in like a bubble and like didn't understand like much about the movie this might sound like a snobby film like or like the way we're talking about it it's really not it's so it like when i when i realized it was a comedy i felt like i i felt free and i feel like the fact that they're kind of withholding that that's what it is is really genius and smart well and it is one of those things where if you were somebody like matt whitaker who cares too much about classical music will be able to enjoy and get jokes in that movie that don't make sense to me but i almost think that watching it as an outsider is more fun

because it is this like contained space of a world that like i know nothing about and it's not about that world it's just about the power dynamics that we have in any world wow yeah yeah i also left the movie being like okay like when i didn't like it which was my which was my reality for about again like probably six to seven hours i was like well fuck that i thought well i'll tell you what's not brilliant the idea of like a conductor who like manipulates um you know time and sound also like that one-to-one being like oh she's a manipulator of people too like that is not brilliant it is not genius and i was like i don't like this but what is brilliant and genius is someone who genuinely believes

that they are manipulating time sound energy and the feeling and temperature of a room thinking they can get away with other stuff to this extent the belief the character study is interesting and that's all it is it reminded me a little bit of the tempest in just being a character study of somebody whose power has gone to their head. At the end of the Fablements, I was like so fascinated by all of these choices that Spielberg had made, but I was not swept away. And Tar completely swept me away. Wow. This fall on Bravo. It's time to Tar on up. Think you've seen it all? We'll be right back. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion.

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but okay okay oh is it don't worry darling stuff because i'm gagged no it's not don't i didn't realize that don't worry darling was happening and then they were just like screaming children all over the place it was very exciting oh but the the magical story is just that there is a venerable canadian political writer who is married to canada's former governor general and i asked them to go with me to the premiere and they were they were like we can't but you should come over to the house and like have tea with us and so i went over to john ralston saul and adrian clarkson's house two days after the queen died i'd had these people who would like you know spent many a night at one of the queen's houses had hung out with the queen many times um just sort of analyzing

what that meant for the future of canada and that was my tiff right there my god the proximity of you being in tiff you being at tiff in toronto on canadian soil the commonwealth and i i feel like wow this is got full scott thompson got full scott thompson like v i mean he was there oh my wait he and joel came to uh the bros premiere yeah that's right scott thompson was there scott thompson was there and like i got i talked to scott way too much and then i i ended up being in boy's town and he was at a birthday party that was at the bar next door and we ended up hanging out all day long and then i came home and turned on the news and he was on cbc uh protesting the death of the queen for oh my god it was it was just i had always said

i'd always said when the queen dies i will take the day off work like when the queen dies i will need to take the day off work but i did not take the day off of hacks jen stats he was very open that it was a possibility but i powered through i you know kept calm and carried on um but it was you know it was just with all of the meaning that she has for billions of people around the planet. It was just sort of a change of an era and getting to be somewhere where they were really taking it seriously in a lot of different ways. Uh,

mental. I'm disappointed that you didn't keep your promise to yourself. You should have taken the day off. I mean, yes, it's like out of respect, but truly I did miss an hour of work to talk to John Ralston Saul about what he thinks for the future

of the Canadian monarchy. What does he think? I cannot repeat those on anything that is broadcastable. so it wasn't positive is it a collapse of meaning and so therefore the canadians will fully go crazy and nihilist he had a vision he had a vision of a future that was more wholly canadian um and i really like it was fascinating to hear from just like this very very venerable political philosopher

about what it means and it was super fun now let me ask you something and this is going to be more emotional did you cry did you shed tears uh-huh 100% I was like I knew that when the queen died I would cry and the thing is is like I don't by that mean to imply that I think that the British monarchy is good or has not been a terribly, terribly destructive thing. I just think that a stable icon of my childhood, you know, not like my dad was great and terrible in lots of ways. I cry about him being dead. dead this person who represented stability and and sort of one thing i think when you are uh a too bright faggot growing up in the united states seeing and also in sort of like an anti-intellectual farm town thinking about like britain and its tradition seems very very fancy and then you are exposed to them directly and you're like, who do these people think they are? And so it was, if anything,

crying for lost innocence. Absolutely. Do you think that Imelda Staunton is going to tear? Okay, I have no problem with Imelda Staunton. A lot of people do. You know who hates Imelda Staunton?

It's so funny. Cola Scola convinced me to loathe Imelda Staunton and so now why what does she do i don't know i mean the thing is is like and she was a b plus rose and gypsy we can say yeah i think that's cole's main gray yes maybe you're right and the thing is is like i learned of her as one of the lovies as one of emma thompson's close personal friends from footlights who hung out and made things together and i was just like she's one of the cool people and then i was just like oh god she is a little much like she she can be a little much and we had been promised chris schleicher came back with the the tea like six years ago that peter morgan was asking

to come back and you, I feel a little bit as though I did not get the two seasons of Dame Helen Mirren I wanted. I'm very excited for Leslie Manville. I'm very excited for everything that's coming for us. I mean, the crown has been... And Miss Debicki is gonna...

She's really good. And I'm so fucking dumb with Diana stories, I have to say. Like, truly, I don't think so, honey. One more Diana story, but I do feel like this will be the last one for a while because the bubble has truly burst. Lewis' joke about how we're only six

or seven movies away from really understanding Marilyn Monroe is one of the best jokes of 2022. What the fuck are we doing? Have either of you endeavored to try and watch that film? No. I refuse. I don't care.

I didn't watch the Michelle Williams one, and I would probably like that. I did like that one. See? I do love her. You know, we were watching... Last night at the pregame, we were watching videos of Gwen Verdon dancing.

And then watching Michelle do it? We didn't, but it made me realize like god damn it that performance was incredible there is a surprising amount of gwen verdon in her mitzi fableman and you're like that doesn't make any sense but i would okay here's here's before you see the fablemans i would encourage you to look at a still photo of Leah Spielberg. And when you just realize the French Bob is ripped from the headlines, like you, you can understand more that this performance is rooted in a specific human

being. And, uh, it is amazing, but it's also one of those things when it comes to best actress race, she is like 40 of that movie like it's it's not something like what michelle or michelle yo like yeah like lydia tar is the entirety of a film maybe that like with some great supporting roles but like i just feel like Michelle Yeoh got written the most gigantic role imaginable,

and she fucking did it every step of the way. And I hope and pray that the Academy can give an award to a movie that came out in August or before that. April. Yeah, it was way early in the year. And somebody who is playing a lady who owns a laundry. If they can open up their minds

enough for that. And a funny action movie. Yes. It was just everything, everywhere, all at once. It truly was, guys. Enormous. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that. And for really...

Put the title into the movie seamlessly. And look at the way we're looking at you. With pride and respect. And can I say, my rubric is usually, could no one else have done it? Literally, there is not a human being on the planet that could have done...

Except Jackie Chan, because that's what it was written for. And even that would have been low impact yeah yeah in comparison oh wow yeah yeah yeah which it's so much more interesting with her yeah and also the thing the thing though is like i thought that that would be like objectively true at the end of the year that this would be the definitive thing that lives up to that rubric i I was like, I mean, Michelle Yeoh and everything everywhere all at once, like Hander the award. But now Kay. I don't know that there's someone that could have played Lydia Tarr like this. I don't know. The thing is, here we start getting into

economics at Academy Awards. And it is just that question of determining who is worth three and we have in the last 10 or 15 years we have opened up who is worth three and i think we all know that we really have kate has kate is worth three but i don't know that it's now i feel like you know like blue jasmine was nine years ago um and like it like, it, it is huge. I used to, I used to say this. I was so excited for my mom and Olivia to watch everything everywhere all at

once, because you have blue collar, like working class lady who gets to explore everything that was possible for her. And then you have like daughter who is in pitched battle with her at all times who is queer and weird and all of those things and my mom fell asleep during it because she falls asleep during things all the time but just sort of olivia got the full experience of it and it was just like it's it's just so wonderful when you see something like that and it's not just

a thing of beauty but also something that you know will mean something to people who matter to you um and everything everywhere all at once has that warmth factor that tar doesn't you know yeah makes it go the distance yeah yeah for sure it's got more of coda but being able being able to wrap my head around the fact that we live in a world now where coda wins best picture like not that it wasn't a great and lovely movie but it is just like a very streamable film on like on amazon that you watch on your television or whatever apple um is more has more potential than something that is blowing up planets. Yeah.

I was just going to say like, get Koda was a sweet and lovely movie, but it was not power of the dog. But then I saw you sort of drag power of the dog. I love power of the dog on Twitter. You did. I love power of the dog. I like,

I will drag it. Like the best thing about power of the dog is my friend, Sarah Thire made me go see it in a theater in Pasadena, same theater where I saw everything everywhere all at once, but having to drag yourself through the boredom to realize what it was doing made it one of the most effective portrayals of what closetedness is. Like I, I felt that it was really good.

I thought that it was a rich movie that I thought about a lot, but I also was a little bit like, what does this movie want? What does this movie have to say? Like, it a little bit fell into there's a correct kind of gayness that will happen off screen that we will never see, but it's correct gayness. And then there is this bad gayness that is bad, but we're going to pay a lot of attention to it it is a problem that i found most significant have either of you seen the inheritance yes i've seen the inheritance i did the full sit through for both parts no for me life is too short i mean it's true like i would truly adore to take you matt i'll be sleeping like deborah i mean yes i mean the thing is is like i have threatened to take

luke mcfarland from bros to um watch the inheritance like luke would like it luke would I mean, yes. I mean, the thing is, is like I have threatened to take Luke McFarlane from Bros to watch The Inheritance. Luke would like it. Luke would like it, but then I would yell at him so much about how angry I am at so many aspects of it. But I feel like

The Inheritance was something that was like, there's good, correct gayness. We're not going to show you that. I agree. We're going to show you drugs and fucking and we're going to say that's bad.

And I think that... And they did say that's bad. That's what you're. I agree. We're going to show you drugs and fucking, and we're going to say that's bad. And I think that, well, and they, they did say that's bad. That's what you're saying. Yes. And I think if we love drugs and we love drugs and fucking so fabulous, why not be able to explore drugs and fucking without needing to shake our

finger at it? Or if you think there is some better and more correct way of being gay, show us that. And also at the end of the day, I think rooting the validity of gay masculinity on our capacity to have children is misguided like a thousand percent you know we are perfectly capable of being wonderful parents lots of people are i'm in fucking yuba city because i came for parents weekend at davis um because a young woman had to be prodded to go to services at Hillel.

But like what I have to offer this world is not just my capacity to parents that like, we are more than that. So I have a lot of issues with the inheritance. Um, but I love that it's so long. I mean, that what you said about power of the dog about like needing needing to

sit through the boredom to understand what gold you're being given is a little bit tar too yeah because it's like every single scene is there for a reason but you don't understand why until later like like when i hated the movie for those for that period of time i was like what the fuck is going on and why are we seeing this and i asked it so many times and then every time i would have visited every scene i was like no we needed that i needed that going back through it and just thinking about it as a screenplay would it would be fascinating and it's something that i need to do even just the thing of like telling us so much about her work in peru like what i was laughing like i i realized like when the bone there's a scene in the beginning

where they're like they're doing like a an interview with her like she's being again interviewed about how what a genius she is and like they list her credits and at a certain point you're like oh this has to be satire because her list of credits is so long and the fact that she's an egot she's lydia tara's egot she's she's lydia tara's egot and when they said egot that's when i was like no this is a funny movie composers are the people most likely to be egot that's okay this is true okay i have to ask you a question i have to ask you boys a very serious question it is this ease don't worry darling camp because okay please tell me talk to me well have you seen don't worry darling

yet of course of course oh sorry i have it i'm i i'm willing to i'm going to presume that it does not achieve like the suntagian camp definition that it needs to be aware of its own bad taste correct don't worry, darling, takes itself so seriously as the half movie that it is. Because it really has something interesting there that's beyond the scope of

what the script allows it to deliver. There could be something really interesting said and done as a thriller and as a fun popcorn movie that stars harry styles but but the movie is so obsessed with itself as a satire that it really it it sits in its own quiet and doesn't understand that it's quiet because nothing is happening it's not quiet because we're waiting for something like and if we are like it never happens but it's not a very

smart movie and that is unfortunate because i think with a couple more passes of the script it could have gone somewhere really fun but it ultimately is like you know and this is actually you know saying a lot because stepford wives is not an a plus but it's a like you know and this is actually you know saying a lot because Stepford Wives is not an A plus but it's a C minus Stepford Wives of course you've seen the Paul Rudnick Nicole Kidman Stepford Wives right I have it's

a cum dump definitely a B minus but an A plus of B minus isn't my opinion what guys we're getting lost in the letter grade okay I'm sorry i would like to make one point i while watching um don't worry darling i asked myself is this camp in the scene when harry when harry is dancing and she is melting down in the bathroom and there were like many images of her in bathroom mirrors and i was like maybe this is camp and then while watching

tar tar without pretty pink dresses or harry styles dancing manages to use bathroom mirrors to be so much more camp than don't worry darling could ever hope to be oh interesting don't worry darling is camp in the way the met gala thought it was camp that right that's how don't worry darling is camp don't worry darling is showing up being like aren't i interesting and you're like no hun and we shouldn't be doing this but honestly thank god for that press cycle because i genuinely think it got butts in seats yeah no it was like good for them that meta narrative was better than the narrative oh certainly much more interesting was what was happening off screen which which i which maybe they knew and they leaned into it

but i don't know the day of chris pine spit was just i mean amazing psychotic i that jumped the shark for me yeah i loved it yeah oh yeah when i'm when we're wondering did a man spit on each other in this video i don't know that to me was a little too buzzfeed for me listen guy i want to ask you something so you've had many workplace daughters yes chris schleicher was your workplace daughter i was your workplace daughter do you have uh this sort of relationship with pat regan oh my god does he allow you to to mother him i prefer the term niece and yes. Oh yeah, you're my niece. It's lovely working with Pat. We didn't know each other very well before I started the job. I like called him and was like, what should I know about it? He said that he liked all types of chocolate when I was talking about modeling chocolate. And so I sent him a pound of

modeling chocolate to see if he was like over the course of three days it reminded me of dunkaroos chocolate um you know i never liked that yes i mean the thing is is like hacks is actually filled with wonderful nieces uh there's the delightful ariel andrew law is a peer he's a higher ranking than me on the show he could never be my niece um but ariel carlin who reminds me so much of my actual niece uh oh ariel's wonderful and then there is a delightful uh woman named samantha riley who uh is from berkeley and you know that's a good time but yes uh when news about someone hot comes up or uh i want to talk about the weirdness of the time at which we are taking a phone break uh my niece pat regan is the person to whom i address that you know i i always i for some reason

i let go oh sorry i just wanted to say pat is in the dominican republic doing an atlantis uh event this week and i did not know how she takes sun like she really is turning into, like, you know, a Czech porn twink over the age of 30. Yeah, she looks good. And I'm really impressed. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Pat is good in The Sun, for sure. Yes, very that.

I was going to say, I always remember there was a moment when you two, when Matt was your niece. Yes. We've been nieces on two shows. Matt will always be my niece. Yeah. Matt will always be my niece. Matt will always be niece. Matt and Olivia are sharing

a room in the house at Davis at Davis for some reason I always think of that the coffee break in that room for you guys was like 3pm and I just picture the both of you like

well that's because the room went too long two hands on one cup, two hands on one, just sipping your coffees, chatting, catching up, talking about the weekend. I love guy.

It fills me with joy. And you always were, um, very encouraging. And I always felt like very respected by you. And when, whenever we worked together and, uh,

that, that made me feel good because I don't respect anyone more. You're so funny and also the the first show we worked on there were no higher levels except for me they were not and watching you and alex jew like behave like adults pitch like adults everyone there was really funny but like you guys came at it so hard with such strength that I really just earned undying respect for you guys. You behaved like co-executive producers. And I was like, those are people who are going to have fine careers.

Well, that's very nice. And Alice is fine. Alice, you ass. Oh, my God. Everyone remember the name yeah this season this season on hacks i did pitch a character who was the first asian female president of the harvard lampoon and was a working model who only wore black alice is not a working model but i tried to have an alice jue based character and paul downs was immediately like should we just call her alice jue and i was like all right you're saying oh my i love that i there alice is one of the most iconic people

like just in behavior because she's daria she's truly daria it is it is silent assassin also i'll never forget her oh she's i hope she's not mad that i say this but mama did not enjoy harry potter and the forbidden journey and universal studios hollywood it did not go good it upset her stomach oh no but we had a fabulous day there alice just fucking rocks i love her so much she fucking right i mean like just bowen said it right remember the name um listen um we're sort of soaring into i don't think so honey territory but is there anything that you because i feel like the fact that you like we're that we're sort of soaring into i don't think so honey territory but is there anything that you because i feel like the fact that you like we're that we're without like your weekly pop rocket is sorely

missed let's just say very very much so what do you have to say that you feel has not been said about the culture oh and this is separate from i don't think so i just want to give you the floor um that's so sweet i would say getting to to truly vent and open my heart about tar was really what I was looking for. I mean, the things I have wanted most, after I saw The Fablements, I just wanted to have a long talk about The Fablements. And then a week later, I quartered Judd Apatow and made him talk to me about The Fablements. And then after I got out of tar i was just like i listened to every podcast i could talking about tar and i was just like i want to speak about and process tar but i would say the one thing i want people to know about the popular culture i will be expressing in my i don't

think so honey oh my god what a segue this fall on bravo it's time to turn up think you've seen it all i don't think you've been a We'll be right back. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules. And now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real fun time. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

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Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. So, Bell, what do you say? Are we ready to thrust into this new arena of that so this is i don't think so honey this is our one minute segment in which we each take a minute to rail against something in the culture matt you want to go first watching you like be dissatisfied with the way you just did that because it's a one minute segment that we each take one minute and then you'll never see this at home but bowen literally like like half-heartedly threw his hand up and rolled his eyes at the fact that he said one minute too close together in proximity in the sentence and that's why we love bowen yang and is the attention to detail it's a sunday and i was doing music video math in the edit room all day

yesterday at work and i'm my brain is toast i'm so sorry well that sounds like really fun math i'll say music video math. It is. It's kind of stressful math, actually. Music video math is stressful math. Shout out to Ryan Spears and Mike Diva for being champs in the room. I didn't. I love Ryan. Ryan Spears.

We've known him for a very long time. We've known him for a very long time. How was Megan? She seemed really fun. Oh, my God. Just a pure star. Super mega star. Capital S.

Capital S. Walks in the room, is so warm, and yet also has that effect and that quality of like sucking the air out. Like you, she walks in the room

and everybody pays attention. Even people who like, like Josh and Aaron were talking about this, like on set for the, for fucking Identical Twins, like she'd walk,

like she came on and then like crew people who had no idea who she was were like, who is that? Who is that? Like who is that person? And she was like, who is that? Who is that? Like, who is that person? And she was so, the best thing a host can say going into SNL

and that Monday meeting is, I'm down for anything. Some hosts come in and there's nothing fundamentally wrong with this. Some hosts come in and they go, I want to do like an Irish accent. I want to do this. I have a this impression. I have a that. Lovely. There's some directionality there.

But the best thing that can happen is a host coming in going, I'll do anything. And then they asked her, can you sing? And she goes, not really well, but I'll do it. I'll do whatever. Like, that's the best. And I disagree with that. She can sing. But it was so lovely all week.

And she looks absolutely amazing, too. This is public knowledge. 7 p.m. on friday she finds out that her house in la was broken into oh no i didn't know that and that burglars like stole like three hundred thousand dollars and stuff oh no and she's crazy in la like it's a problem it's it's a big problem she's had she's this this this lady who we all love like like let's let her catch a break she literally tweeted like she was like this is what happened my house got broken into

I have to be honest with y'all like after SNL like I need to take a break because this is so emotionally and physically like so draining and so do you suspect Alexis Nyers I'm not Alexis Nyers specifically but it is giving bling ring and it just feels

I don't know. But, but the nefarious thing is they were like, Oh, she's in a New York for us. And now let's go to her house, you know, let's case the joint and then rob the place a day later or something,

you know, she got derided. She got derided. Anyway. Um, she was lovely. I find that like, she's been through so much shit and the stuff that she's been through often

gets like minimized because like, the Tori Lance stuff is crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it is. Anyway. Um, it's,

but she was, she was phenomenal. Everyone fell in love with her. God. So fine. And, and, and sorry not to be like this,

but like watching her in the booth, like just like kind of like on the track, like recording. I was like, this is incredible. Oh, that must've been really cool to watch. It was,

I mean, it was, it was cool. And we'll just watch her. And then cool. And then Celeste and I were like, oh my God, she's saying stuff that we wrote. That's crazy.

Yeah, that's awesome. But she was just phenomenal. Anyway, the fact that she put on a show on Saturday after going through an insane life thing that she had to take care of. As Lea Michele S. Fanny Bryce said, let's give them hell, Bryce. We'll cry a little later. Well, Bryce,

that's life in the theater. And... Amazing. We are going to move on to I Don't Think So, Honey, now that I've said that. Matt, are you ready? I am. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Many As Time Starts Now. I don't think so, honey, that we have to wait still for Midnight's to come out.

I'm so excited for Taylor Swift's new album Midnight. Who knows what we're going to get? Are we going to wait still for midnights to come out i'm so excited for taylor swift's new album midnight who knows what we're gonna get are we gonna get more taylor swift with a hard r and a hard t you know her she's that girl who sits in the grass and writes writes down taylor swift she writes down all her lyrics and and she spills her heart or Or are we getting Taylor Swift with a long A and a soft F, I think? Are we getting that hip, hip, hip? Are we getting big stadium pop? Are we getting a mixture of both? What kept Taylor Swift up at night

that she was able to make a concept album called Midnight? We're going to find out on Thursday, but I don't think so, honey, that we have to even wait that long. Taylor Swift is one of my favorite artists and I want her album right now I just know that this album is going to be one that I listen to on repeat

and everyone is going to be doing the same I don't think so honey that I have to still sit in silence until I fill the air with the sound of Midnight and that's one minute wow the enthusiasm I oh i'm sorry reader you should see matt sort of turned off the switch in his brain and now his face is fully

neutral and even angry i would say oh it's so tiring it's really hard to be effusive bo you know i don't know how you do it you're you're one of the most effusive people i know and you do it so well and people love you for it. I am pretty effusive. So Matt is just a true luminaire. You see it. And literally, you see the light from within. I love this man. But also, I don't think So Honey should leave you spent.

That is why you boys created it. Because you have so much to give. And it is a forum for giving your everything. Thank you for saying that. There is nothing. There is no greater compliment than what you just said. Thank you for saying it.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Bowen, are you ready and excited to do your I Don't Think So Honey? I'm excited. Period. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey using gut health

as a way to mask an eating disorder, okay? There are people out here who are using these two words to be like, I'm eating chia seeds all day, every day, and that's it. And that's for my gut health. No, you want...

No, they say this shit, that's fine. But then they always end it with, look at my abs. That's gut health. That's chia seeds or whatever the fuck they're drinking and eating okay i it's it's it's so fucking transparent to me that the people who are not experts who are not qualified to be giving out this advice on tiktok or fucking instagram reels to be like it's gut health it's gut health you don't know the first thing about the damn microbiome in your fucking stomach. You don't know one name, one of the trillions of bacteria or enzymes that are in there.

I dare you. Then I'll pay you a thousand dollars if you're going to fucking chill for chia seeds. I don't know why chia seeds is my example, but gut health is a legitimate thing, but it's being used as a mask. Wow. That's one minute. Hi, I'm Teddy Malenkamp Aravaya

and the way that I get my gut health together is I starve myself sign up for the app literally if you're a true dietician like someone who has a title like accountability coach well I'm saying like

this kind of i get like there's a fine there's a very thin line gut health is a a concept that is you know real and that can be very drink your kombucha stay regular very that there's some of some of these influencer folks out there in the influencing space, which is a very powerful space, as we know, and people wield a lot of power in that space for good reasons, for bad reasons, for neutral reasons. They're kind of pushing the gut health agenda in a way that is, I think, a little shady. I think it's a little scary. And no one is saying chia seeds are not a superfood. We all accept that they are a superfood.

We love chia seeds. Like Aztec runners who needed to get through a day it took care of the historian but it is not but it is not the entirety of a diet it is not a way of life there you go there you go guy who is the most interesting historical figure oh do you know who hypatia of alexandria was i've heard the name they made a rachel vice movie about her she was a lady mathematician in alexandria and she um uh like figured like she like figured out a bunch of stuff about the way the planets moved um and then they killed her and they cut her uh they cut her skin off with pieces of pots because they thought she was a witch because she was not christian or the other thing they were supposed to be a man yes i mean that's probably not the answer but i love hypatia of alexandria i do too now i'm so happy i asked so this is

guy brownhams i don't think so honey are. Are you ready to steam? Yes. Okay, your time starts now. People who leave the History Channel show alone because they miss their family? I don't think so, honey. Alone is a television program on the History Channel where people are dropped somewhere in the Canadian wilderness to defend modern objects and have to survive

as long as they can. And people do not leave because they miss their family. They leave because they are their family they leave because they are starving they leave because they tried really hard to kill a deer and did not kill a deer they leave because their gill net did not work and i am tired of these people like real people fighters on alone they get pulled off of the show because they lost so much weight that their blood pressure is artificially uh reduced those people leave like heroes but people who leave because they miss their family are fucking weak and if they got one of the 10 spots

to go on alone they should let themselves slowly starve to death the way that everyone else does and not be whiny about how oh i didn't properly process my daughter dying two years ago get over it and catch some fish i don don't think so, honey. Really good guy. Amazing guy. That's one minute. Are you guys caught up on Survivor this season? I'm not. Yes, I am. Talk about it. This is my... Tar and Survivor, my two

pieces of missed homework. Go. Talk. Survive Tar. I feel like we have some personalities this year. We've got a good season on our hands. And Bo, I'm excited for you to binge. When you do finally get some and I'm going to say this word, deserved time off. The man doesn't stop. Oh, my God.

I'm going to binge tonight. I like that there's no premise. I like that there's no premise. And, Matt, did you spot when there was the thing about the woman who was accused of cheating at professional poker, did you realize that the guy who accused her of cheating um was brains versus bronze versus beauty he was the hot the hot jewish poker player on your brains wow unbelievable yeah who is your front runner for this season oh i forget i feel like i binged all three of

them very quickly and i feel like it takes me five episodes to just have them coalesce in front of me what do you think the answer is carla um a name like carla she is an iconic um latinx lesbian who sort of is is sort of giving richard hatch in the way she's observing it all wow and her social gameplay has been on display and you know she's getting a good edit because they constantly cut to her to just comment on things. And the edit that she's getting is the all-seeing

but also very doing player. You know what I mean? It's giving under the radar in a way that other people think they are but are not. Tragic. I'm saying a name like Carla is tough. If there's a Carla on Survivor, you know they're going far.

Period. Period. And you should say it. And that's a rule of culture. Which one is that again? I'm forgetting. 58. That's rule of culture number 58.

If there is a Carla on Survivor, you know they're going far. But Matt, I would encourage you to just try, just try a little bit of Alone on the History Channel. It answers the question, what if people went on Survivor and there were no social game

and also they were mostly white supremacists? Okay. A question I needed the answer to. It sounds like, yeah, okay, good. Good? Good. I mean, I have a big night tonight. Potomac is on. You don't really engage with the Housewives. I don't. That's a shame.

We would encourage you to start, to be honest. The thing is, from Chelsea lately, I have two seasons of New York and I tried to watch all of Beverly Hills so that I would have more to talk to gay guys about um but i crapped out just after the backdoor pilot for vanderpump rules um but i would like to be more conversant in these things like you guys there are so many times when i

listen to your podcast and there are just like 15 minutes of the name of the written derringer and i'm like i would and also enough of these things are, people should not be using the word Aviva without me being able to engage in it. If you're using the Hebrew word for spring, I want to know what's going on. Oh my God. You're so right.

I feel like your drag name should be Aviva. Guy, I would just recommend you start with Salt Lake City and get caught up there. Because there's the least homework to do. And it's very much top of mind conversationally for gay guys. And the culture at large, I would say. And you're going to like it because it's a crime thriller.

Also, I hear lots of Jews. There is two. Lisa and Meredith or no? Lisa is Mormon down but she's culturally Jewish so Lisa and Meredith Meredith she's Jewish

and then but it obviously and I do think that you will find a lot of interesting stuff in there about the Mormon of it all definitely well look there are moments in life that you will remember, and this was one of them.

100%. I just, I'm sorry, I did a quick Google. If you heard typing sounds, I was just quickly Googling Lisa Barlow Jewish. And yeah, her family was Jewish. But she was not religious. Yeah, okay. Well, thank you for a lovely Los Culturistas. I have missed you guys a great deal. I would lovely to have some talk

oh my gosh this was truly the best part of my week oh and to have good meat to chew on and to have thank you for making me watch Tara I maybe wouldn't have watched it you know what I first of all I don't believe you would not have watched it I mean it might have taken me like months or something you know

I mean here's the thing like Bowen is gonna see it I'm gonna I'm gonna mean, here's the thing. Bowen is going to see it. I'm going to guess, I'm going to wager that Bowen will see it at some point over the next week. Even I think that he's not going to be able to stand it. And then it's going to occupy time on next week's episode too, because I just know he's going to have a lot to say. Even if it's a different opinion than us. Yes, absolutely.

Especially if. I'll wager that it won't be too different. if it's a different opinion than us. Yes, absolutely. Especially if. I'm, I'm, I'll wager that it won't be too different. My two very smart friends have made very interesting points. But Bowen Yang is first and foremost his own person. Absolutely. It's very true. Okay. Well, we end every episode

with a song. Good, good, good, good vibrations. Yeah, yeah. To listen to that song? Beach Boys. Listen to the Beach Boys. Good vibrations. Smile. The Lost Brian Wilson.

Bowen Yang is revealing his knowledge of Beach Boys. He loves American culture. Bye. Bye. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami?

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars.

We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll.

This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dream's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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