Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Much Like Smaug..." (w/ Mary Holland)

Episode Date: December 2, 2020

Oh, you wanted a holiday classic? Okay, mama, well that could pertain to both this episode of LC with the incredible and hilarious Mary Holland and also the movie she co-wrote and co-starts in, Happiest Season! It's streaming now on Hulu and it's fantastic! Mary and or hosts chat about the film, which is a damn lesbian holiday romcom, thank you very much! Also, hot takes on the finale of The Undoing, surprising reactions to the Saved By The Bell Reunion and acknowledgment of the fact that The Flight Attendant is HERE, bitch. Mary's formative culture? The Lord of the Rings. Pretty classic, which is what you wanted! And baby...we give ya whatcha want. Unless it's oral sex. We like to know the people we give oral sex <3. At least a little bit <3<3 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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get your podcasts. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

Tell everyone what you're absolutely wrapped in right now. Salt air and the rest on your tour. Get a screenshot of this. What is it? Tell them. I'm wearing the folklore cardigan that's been hanging in my closet for at least, when did it come out? July?

But then I got, but then everyone was ordering the cardigan. So I got it, I think, in like end of August. So it's been in my closet for like two and a half months since September. And today felt like the great day to break it out. It really is. I mean, we are in December. And sort of as we've been undone, you're sort of like wrapping yourself back up. You know what I mean?

That's right. And so this is very seasonal. And I think mine just came. It went to my parents' house on accident. But my cardigan did arrive. I wish I could join you, but it's not in this state of California. That's a tragedy. It's really tragic.

It's tragical. It's tragical. It's not that comfortable, I'll say. Maybe it's just because my skin is not reacting well with the... I don't know what the material is. Can I check the tab? Oh, darling, I don't think the problem is your skin. I think the problem is, you know, really mass marketing.

And the fact that I don't think a lot of care went into that, I really don't. Do you want to take that back? Because Taylor Swift herself designed this, is the story. Did she sort of create it herself? Or did she, I want to know whose hands went into making it. Whose labor really was it? She had a gray colored pencil, a black colored pencil. And then she sketched out a schema or a schema, something.

She sketched out something. And then you could say anything and I'd be like, yeah, her team was like, yeah, let's do it. So, and do you think she was inspired by the two different colored pencils? Yeah, I think it was like a Coco Chanel thing. You know, Chanel, it's like, it's like mostly black and white because she was in an orphanage or a nunnery or whatever. And so she was known for her austerity. I think Taylor was inspired by that, you know?

So with that all being said, it's not very warm? No, it's warm. It's just not comfortable because on my skin, it's irritating. I have to tell you, it looks really good. I don't know about that either. I'm not a cardigan person. I never was. I thought it'd be funny I have to tell you it looks really good. I don't know about that either. I'm not a cardigan person. I never was. I just thought it'd be funny

for me to wear this because I think it's lesbian culture. And I'm happy you brought up lesbian culture. Well, before we talk about the lesbian culture I think I... Let's just catch up

on cultural stuff this week. There's so much to catch up on. There's so much. And it reminded me that I want to say a disclaimer before you get into this. I want to say a disclaimer. Before you get into this, I want to say a disclaimer for the pod going forward. Okay. If an

episode of television or film has come out. Oh, here we go. By the time this episode of Lost Coach Recess gets released and going forward, if any episode of Lost Coach gets released and media that is discussed has been released and it's been out for more than a day and you have time to consume it, this is a spoiler area okay so what we're gonna end up talking about is the

undoing you know we're gonna be talking about undoing our guest as excited as i knew she would be our guest is a big consumer of the culture yes and i just want to say we're going to be discussing this and other things on the show such as you wouldn't believe what I'm watching. I'm watching A Teacher on Hulu with Kate Mara and Love Simon. I'm watching Saved by the Bell. I watched all of Saved by the Bell. I'm on my second viewing. It's my favorite thing.

But primarily the undoing has been fully undone and we gotta all talk about it together I think. We'll talk about it together but think we'll talk about it together but let's you and I talk about the flight attendant which I'm loving I am loving the

flight attendant I think it is what I would call goofy it's what I would call goofy it's goofy and how do you spell that g-o-o-p g-o-o-o-p and you-E G-O-O-O-P and you think it's going to stop at goop but then you throw an H on there

and honey it goes G-O-O-O-O-P-H-Y Oh my goofy. You know I read someone I think it was like Holly Reporter that wrote a review of the first three episodes

and I love this so much. They said whoever wrote this said it's a show that's very aware of how disposable it is. Like I love this so much. They said, whoever wrote this said, it's a show that's very aware of how disposable it is. Like you watch it once, you're never going to watch it again. Maybe.

Great to know about yourself. I, no, well, no, but I agree though. Like, I think it's a show that knows it's like just fun,

goes down so easy. It's so easy to, it's relatively easy to follow. Great performances. I would say I'm kind of blown away by what she ended up being capable of, that Kaylee. That Kaylee Cuoco. Kaylee Cuoco feels like very cishet culture to me, which I love.

I just never engaged with Kaylee. But now I'm like, I love you. She's never been for us, I know. But now she's like moving queer of center, I think. And I really like this. I love seeing this Kaylee. She's's like moving queer of center I think and I really like this I love a little bit queer of center which which of course um is is that left or right is it to be queer of center I think being queer of center just it's a circle so it just means you're moving away from the center of the circle I think to be queer of center means to be south north of center. Okay.

And that's actually rule of culture. To be queer of center means you are south north of center. And that's sort of spring, summer, more September. More September. More September joggers. But anyway, yes, thrilled with the flight attendant. So fun. I guess because of being on Saturday Night

Live the sketch show you sort of didn't get the opportunity to audition for the gay Shane in the show oh no is he the flight attendant the gay flight attendant yes he's wonderful he booked it I celebrate him and every gay friend that books because I

did go out for this part and I go I just want to celebrate my sister who booked it. I don't know his name, but I just want to say the show is doing an amazing job. And I always want to celebrate the gay in a show because it's hard out here for the gay in a show. And oftentimes there's only one, but not in the piece of culture that our guest is, dare we say it, responsible for. Very responsible for. Well, you and our guests have crossed paths in a very acrimonious way over the summer.

First of all, this is a huge week for Survivor. Huge. It's on Netflix. Just like as if we needed something else to pile on. I'm watching Heroes vs. Villains again. Kiki Palmer is tweeting about it. Kiki Palmer is a new fan. Oh my God.

And our guest is wearing her buff. Yeah. No, forget it. The guest is a super fan. Her winner's at war. Oh my God. She's wearing her winner's at war. So just background for some of maybe the newer readers

who haven't been around during quarantine, but famously the story goes, the quarantine hit. We got a little obsessed with Survivor, me a little bit more so than Beau. I got so obsessed that I joined a Survivor quarantine edition and our guest, I was very excited because our guest was also a contestant. And some point along the way, I thought the guest was my ally and she just stabbed me in the back. Did a blind side.

And I deserved it 100%. And the guest ultimately did not win the show, which I also love. I also love that. But I was very fun to play Survivor with the guest and sort of have conversations that were fake, that I thought were real. And now we can sort of have a real conversation for the first time since the Survivor quarantine has ended. But this person is very, very dear to me, and I love this person.

And you may know her from, well, let's just say, the storied improv group Wild Horses. Wow. Which is just legendary. You may know her from, I mean, television shows such as Parks and Rec, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Veep. The list truly goes on. We actually have someone in the chat who, quote unquote,

books, as they say. Yes. The newest credit, Beau, have you gotten a chance to consume the film Happiest Season? I adored the film Happiest Season. She is the co-writer and co-star? We can absolutely say that.

And we were telling her she stole the damn movie. She did steal the damn movie, and it would be hard to steal a movie with the following cast. Kristen Stewart, Mackenzie Davis, Alison Brie, who's really, really funny in the movie. And she has one line, her intro line killed me.

But anyway, Mary Steenburgen, Victor Garber, Dan Levy. I mean, this is a stacked cast. A little guest appearance by Michelle Buteau, which we love. Oh, yes. First scene, baby. Our guest really runs away with the movie and also co-wrote

the movie, which we should say was also co-written and directed by clea duvall and this is just a gorgeous moment in lost coach history and we are very thrilled the time is now the time is here to welcome into one's ears, Mary Holland! Yeah! We're very happy. I am very happy, too. How are you feeling? Oh, my God. I'm just thrilled. I'm thrilled to be here.

I was having the toughest time, not just laughing all the way through this conversation. I didn't want to ruin the audio. No, no. you could never ruin. You could only contribute. And so what I want to know, I feel like we have to open up the floor immediately, Bowen, to undoing discussion. Yes.

Oh, yes. Let's get into it. I mean, ladies, what did we think? Wow. Wow. Six episodes. What a ride. They really did it. They really did it that's that's my take

oh my gosh well you know hey it it it ended up being who we all thought it would be see no we can say which is the problem which is which i think is also the problem see i don't think it's a problem for everyone that's that's i'll do this for the last time spoiler alert but hugh grant was revealed as the killer on the undoing and this sort of was what they flat out said to us was pretty much going to happen in the first episode and we sort of went back and forth and hemmed and hawed i mean bone and i have been talking for weeks about what we what we think is going to happen and i i understand that it's in the end it's like a morality tale maybe about uh you know your your your your confirmation biases whatever or like being like having to like let those go as the obvious she says on the stand

exactly like that was like this sort of the thesis of the whole show which is her being yeah being um yeah testifying it really was like a i guess like a morality play almost about like right you actually know people from well i guess the whole idea is you actually know everything you need to know about a person when you first meet them and when you first get to know them. in our minds based on who we need them to be and sometimes change who they are, which I don't really know if it's a real thing or if it's just something that this show sort of created to so that I mean, they'd have a story. So they'd have a story. I guess I appreciated that the audience was going through the same thing that the characters were going through, which was, oh, no, it can't be him.

We believe him. And then it turns out we shouldn't have. God, I love that analysis. What an astute analysis. I've been thinking about it probably too hard. No. Well, Jen Chaney and Vulture today wrote about how the whole series is a red herring

and how that kind of is such a weird viewing experience. Also, David E. Kelly does this thing where maybe he doesn't do the thing. Maybe he just like picks source material that like does this thing where like the climax is the end and that's it. Like there's no resolution beyond like the most tense, anxiety-inducing situation. Like Big Little Lies season one, it ends on like him being pushed down the stairs. Literally. And then it's done.

And then this again, like it ends with him about to jump off a bridge and then like credits so it's it's so interesting it's just so like weird to to for me as a viewer to like see this and then have it all build up to like a crazy thing and then just have it so abruptly finish. Right. I tell you what, that David E. Kelly, he does a lot, huh? You know, that's a rule of culture. That's a rule of culture number 46. I tell you what, that David E. Kelly, he does a lot, huh? He certainly is prolific.

He certainly is. Yeah, that's so interesting to think of other stories that he's been involved with. I have to say, I sort of, listen, we've already spoiled it. Okay? Yeah. You can go there. Go there. Okay, I'm going to go. I know you want to.

No, I do. The moment on the, well, I was like, what is this building to when he kidnapped his son and started driving with him? And I was like, he's going to kill him. He's going to do, I mean, and maybe Hugh Grant didn't have a plan either.

Maybe his character didn't have a plan. He's just driving. But when he, when he got to the bridge and he got out and he, he, he like looked like he was about to do it. And then, and then ultimately didn't.

Yeah. I, I was not that I need it. You know, I'm glad his character got arrested and, but, but it was sort of like, it was building to this crescendo and then was like,

but it's all fine. I really feel like the question that I have a lot throughout this series and I understand like here's what I'll say the finale was thrilling to watch you know what I mean in terms of like it being a thriller and being engrossing yes they did an amazing job and a lot of the direction was great and the performances were amazing

like a lot of the acting here was incredible let's give it up I mean Noma is the reason reason for the season. She is truly amazing. People that don't know, Noma, I believe her last name is Dumaswenny.

She plays the lawyer Haley Fitzgerald, the defense attorney. She should be nominated for an Emmy for this. I think Hugh Grant should win an Emmy for this. He was stunning. He was menacing and he was scary. And he also delivered on his Hugh Grant charm and really everything that we know of him was there and more. And to be this long in your career and then be able to like play a character that we can't get a finger on is really something. But for me, the question that kept popping up was just, why?

Like, why when the son says at the restaurant, we can get a dog now, why would he, how does it protect him to be honest with his wife that it was actually his sister? You know what I mean? Like, why does he get off? Yeah, that's a great point. What's the purpose of that what's and also i just wanted to know like what exactly stops him from committing suicide at the end like we see that

he's just cares about himself you know what i mean all of a sudden now all of a sudden now he cares about his son and yeah wife he was just gonna he just almost got them hit by a huge, big truck. I do love, I do love at the end though, when he did like step down and she, she got to her son and she was like pulling him away from her. He was like, come here, Grace. Yeah. It was like, no, run. I was, and I literally, I was like, they still need to run because he is right there. Yeah. But another thing too is just like, here's like, I don't mean to be like uncool and Lynn Chaney-ish about this.

All right. But like, the violence against women was too casual in this for me. You were being so Lynn. You're being so Lynn Chaney right now. So Lynn right now. I feel like no one is really talking about the fact that like. No, it was crazy. We did not need.

Essentially what they've did. Well, I guess my number one thing after leaving this. Yes, it was fun to watch. Yes, it was great to see Nicole cross streets and her coats and her wig. And we love her with curls. She was fabulous. And she's Nicole and she's amazing. But so it was worth watching.

And like I said, there's a lot of great things about it. I feel that this fetishized her from the beginning. We saw her as someone who was sexually forward, someone who like owned her sexuality. She was naked a lot of the time. And essentially we had to relive her extremely brutal murder six times every episode, including cuts where you didn't see the violence coming at all. Ultimately we knew very well what happened to her and still they showed

it in close-up graphic detail and i don't think it helped anything for except a narrative which is we really need to and especially because the fact that she was this like sort of ethereal ethnic woman who like was younger and like sexualized from the beginning and then we basically only know her as like a corpse with semen in it which they keep saying and I'm like you know what this to me combined with the fact that they showed it so viscerally

to me ultimately is not good that's how I feel about it I said out loud during the the flashback I was like this this sucks I was like this I was like, this sucks. I was like, they did not need to do it. I said that out loud.

I did too. I did too. I was like, stop showing that. Stop. I don't, I understand it. I don't need to keep seeing the moment of the hammer hitting her temple. Like what would have been effective is if like, you know, they, they, is if like you go all the way up to the shot, looking down on her face. And then like,

he's about to like swing it and then you cut and then you don't show any of like the impact. And then I thought maybe are they trying to, cause I know it's a fee, it's a female director. Nicole's producing it. You know what I mean? Like I know that they probably involved a ton of women in this.

And so I thought maybe is the point to not shy away from what actual violence looks like so that people understand the gravity of the situation. But at the end of the day, it's always just going to be icky to me when it's on HBO, which is a network which has had problems with this before. And you know what I mean? Like, and the way that they contextualize and characterize her throughout the entire season, because when you you flash back you only ever see her doing either illicit things with Hugh or sort of like remembering her like liaison with Nicole or she's a corpse you never see her as a mother I don't think there's a single scene with her and her son Miguel who had cancer you know what I mean like it's just I just

did not think the depiction of Elena was responsible and I think that like it's I'm really happy that everyone had fun with it I had fun with it I loved guessing who it was going to be week in and week out I thought that that it was cool the way they did it it was thrilling ultimately though this turned out to be more of a soap than big little lies ever was. And it wasn't even about anything like at least big little lies was like about domestic violence and the lengths that we go to, to cover it up. Right.

And, and the way that we kind of similarly see in a monster, what we need to see to keep our life going because of convenience, love, whatever, um, um uh inability to recognize the situation for what it is this was just like literally the moral was careful your husband might be a psycho and it might be your fault that's right it might be all on you ultimately what he did was because of you like Like, girl, I hope you have a helicopter

and a gorgeous best friend who's a lawyer with friends that she can ask in a bathroom to, like, fuck shit up. It was so out of control. It was a drag show, and we did get a death drop ending like I wanted, so. I don't know. I felt nothing by the end.

Like, once the credits rolled, I was like, was this, was this, this was so padded out by yes. Nicole crossing streets, Nicole standing on balconies on central park West at dawn. I was just like this. What, what is this?

Close up of her eyes. Just like eyes, realizing things, eyes narrowing in on things. Oh, the best realizer in the business. I mean, I'm telling you. Yeah. I mean, Kaylee Cuoco's giving her a run for her money, though,

in the flight attendant. Kaylee, there's some moments of Kaylee receiving shocking information that I'm like, she's great. Yeah, yeah. No, Kaylee, have you watched any of Flight Attendant? I haven't. I haven't seen it yet. You must. HBO Max. It's an HBO Max-a-ridge. And you gotta check it out because her and her, well, her updos deserve a spinoff. I haven't seen it yet. You must. HBO Max. It's an HBO Max or Ridge.

And you got to check it out because her and her, well, her updos deserve a spinoff. Like there's, there's updos. There's like hairstyles in this, which I'm like, I want to know. I wanted the backstory whole episode, like the lost flashback episode. That was this hairstyle. What is the origin? Like two wisps in the front and like a, like a, like a Bobby, like sort of like moment in the back i'm just like this is shocking oh you know the two the two wisps in the front remind me of when i was 13 i would do that very deliberately with my hair which was oh yeah parted

down the middle and i would pull it back in a bun and i would pull piece two little tiny little little greasy little pieces of hair and i remember one time my cousin's boyfriend was like, was that intentional or did those just fall out? And I was like, oh, they just fell out. That's just how it is. It's just, I don't know. I mean, I guess. It's kind of Dua Lipa.

It's kind of fun. It's pretty Dua. It's fun. Very Dua. Very Dua. Honestly, you should check out this show, then Kelly Cuoco would be your teenage self's queen. Oh, good.

Because this updo is exactly what you wanted, and then some. I can't wait. Matt, I think we're done talking about HBO Max. Let's talk about the crown jewel of Hulu, this very moment. I love this movie, Mary. I'm so glad you do.

Happiest Season is so good and it's so funny and like you got your like sort of commercial Christmas antics but also like it feels like you know it is a lesbian romantic comedy it's a queer Christmas film and I think it's like

either the first one we've had in this major of a way with these big stars and this big budget or it feels like a new breakthrough with that. Yeah, can you talk about just writing it? How did it come about? How did you get involved? Like all this

like I want to know everything. Well, I'm so thrilled to hear that you enjoyed it. That really means so much to me. It is the movie was an idea that Clea has had for a while and she had like drafted this outline for it. And knowing she wanted it to be a comedy, she wanted to write it with somebody.

And we were we met working on Veep. And we figured that. Yeah. Yeah. We never had any scenes with each other, but I would see her at the cast table reads and we just really hit it off i feel like we were both sort of like we saw each other in a crowded room yeah absolutely something some sort of chemistry some sort of matt rogers and bowen yang moment that's it that's it the star shower was in full effect yes um and she uh we did not know each other hardly at all at that point beyond just some some wonderful light banter.

And we exchanged numbers and she asked if I would if I wanted to write this movie with her. And she sent me the outline and we got coffee and she told me more about the idea. And I was so, so honored that she thought of me. And I was like, I'll think about it. There's, yeah, you were like, the first thing you realized was you had to destroy this woman. Yes, and that's still my ultimate goal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's got to go.

Yeah. Director, writer, actress? No. No, we can't have that. Can't have that. No, no, no, no, no. No. I was just over the moon and said yes and then we we started we would just meet oh you know a couple times a week for hours and hours and talk it all

through and yeah and here we go and then here we go and here we are so it's um the story of kristen stewart and mckenzie davis are a couple and they're sort of living their like sort of like very hot life together they're extremely hot dream pittsburgh life literally yeah i i deal idyllic pittsburgh life i was i watched this with greta teitelman and she she was like wanting to munch k stew's box the whole time it's really sort of a very hot film if you're into K-Stew you're really gonna love this yeah she is a like real James Dean in this I'll tell you yes yes totally it's not a joke like she is hot um but um so they are um in in love and it's their it's their first Christmas together I think and like so they're going to go home together

Mackenzie Davis is like so in love with Kristen they're going to go home together and wouldn't you know it she hasn't come out to her family even though she said she did and the dad's a politician they're sort of a traditional family lots of sort of interesting relationships in the family

wouldn't you say? I would say I would agree, I concur and hijinks ensue I would say they sure do they sure do and what's beautiful is that there's a lot of actors playing opposite sexualities

which I embrace you have Victor Garber, a gay man playing buttoned up straight playing daddy you have aubrey plaza playing playing gorgeous ethereal lesbian oh yeah i fucking loved aubrey plaza she's uh so amazing she's a smoke show oh my god capital s capital s yeah capital s wait and then wait and then does Mary count is Mary's character straight

no but are you playing are you crossing no you're not no no she's just a hetero she's just a hetero

I'm just a just a hetero we could have rewritten this story on this show I know I know do you want to say anything?

You never did. I guess I should make a statement. Right now. Okay. Apologize to me. And I am sorry. And I am sorry. I do love the one line.

So, well, okay. This is maybe going to spoil a little bit. So I just want to say spoiler alert. But there's a scene at the end where everyone comes out with their secrets and Mary says I don't have a secret but I am an ally beautiful an ally to people with secrets

that's right and I am yeah such an emotional scene so much happening I feel like Clea did such an amazing job of orchestrating it and making a build for all those characters simultaneously, which is so tricky to do. So tell everyone who you play, though.

Yes. Well, I play the sister of Mackenzie Davis's Jane. Yes, I play the sister of Mackenzie Davis's sister. Yes. I play Jane. I play her. Harper Mackenzie Davis is the youngest sister. I play the middle sister. And then Alison Brie plays our older sister.

Yes. And we love a solid family resemblance via the hairstyle. Oh, yeah. We had brunettes across the board across the board also we should say again mary steenburgen plays the mom and she is a just i think one of my favorite people in the world i agree with you she's completely delightful oh my god she's amazing yeah but um so there's there was one line that alice and brie had in the beginning when she first meets Kristen Stewart's character and she just goes,

oh, hi, I'm Sloane. And she just leaves without asking what her name is. It's so good. Alison's delivery was so good. She really stepped into that role. She was great. She was very good. I love her.

Is she as good as you think? Yes. She is as good as I think. I always say, we also asked Betty Gilpin that, because when Betty came on, they did glow together, obviously. But I feel like we're inching towards

maybe getting some Brie on this podcast. You gotta get Brie on. Oh, you have to get Brie on. I would love to get Brie on. I love get brie on oh you have to get brie i would love to get brie i love allison brie she's she's so spectacular and she's so she's so funny we would play this game on like in between setups and stuff when uh we had downtime we would play like this word game and she and mackenzie davis and kristin too they there's like an element of the game where you have to like create a clue um and normally it's just like oh it's a sentence or something but those three would make and mary too actually they would make like full rhyming

limericks as a clue they would invent these incredible riddles that were, it was really astounding, but they're also funny, and Allison is just such a bright light of a human. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

Oh my gosh! Welcome! And last season's drama was just the tip Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me?

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I think this is like as convincing of a family in a Christmas movie since The Family Stone, I want to say. Oh, wow. Wow. Thank you. Like, look, Mary Steenburgen, Victor Garber,

you got Mary Holland, and then you got Mackenzie Davis, you got Alison Brie. Like, look at that. There is a resemblance. On paper, it's great. But I'm saying, like, it just works, and it's so, I don't know.

It was just so, so wonderful. I'm so glad you liked it. It warms my heart. It really put me in the spirit. Oh, good! It really put me in the spirit, and I'm so happy that it's obviously so easy for everyone to watch because you just can stream it on damn hulu it's hard lately to

feel in the spirit of christmas and honestly watching the movie happiest season made me say i actually am gonna gonna do more of christmas stuff so i'm trying to turn like turn my thing to show you guys i got a christmas tree a little christmas tree it's so shitty but it's mine tree on the floor it's on the floor yeah and it's four feet tall but literally before happiest season i would never have gotten that tree oh wow that power she goes oh oh wow beautiful it's thank you but like for real though it is so funny you are so good in it talk about like we were not kidding when we said steal the movie like you you like really are so good oh matt thank you listen now that we've buttered you up um i have to well i guess now I have to pick a bone with you. Okay, you're going to put me right in the toaster.

What was with the way that you treated me on Survivor? Okay, let's do it. The way I treated you. Because you stabbed me in the back. I did. All I ever did was be a fan. I know, I know. And I have to tell you,

I listen, I really, really struggled with the choice that I made in the game and how it impacted you. Really? Really? Did you? I did.

I can't tell you. I really cried a lot. I really did. She wears her heart on her sleeve. She does. I do. And the, here's the thing.

We as fans of survivor, we know that the name of the game is, Hey, what's going to get me further. How can I set myself up to continue to play below the radar, but still make big moves. And of course, you know,

as someone who is such a fan of the game and observes people playing with such incredible skills of social manipulation, I thought to myself, well, what if I, what if I were to step into that and play the game as hard as i could yeah and now that's not to say matt that the conversations that we had as as friends i know i'm kidding i did she she turned around and voted me out and i literally i i insta dm'd her and i because while the game was while the game was still going i was

out this was not because honestly this was against the rules but i did anyway i insta dm'd her and i was like what you did to me has really hurt me and the only way that we can sort of get through this is if you come on lost coach and i want you to know that my i don't think so honey is about you and this week and you did you and i did too I'm so sorry I'm Mary Holland and then she said I am so sorry for the ways in which I hurt you and I hope that we can

separate the game from our real life and I was like oh my god I'm so fine I was so oh my god Matt you have

you have no idea I really like I was like I have I have I this is a person that is important to me and whose friend is important to me and I've ruined it.

And for what? And for what? And for what? No, you can't let, you can't let Matt just sort of outplay you when he's not even in the game. You can't let him emotionally manipulate you when he's gone. That game, it, it turned me right on my head. I, it was so intense and and you know what i learned i i can't i can't do it could never do it we had the question of of oh what would it be like to play this game and the answer is well you can't

and you shouldn't no no you shouldn't well who's matt whose play style would you say Mary reminded you of from Survivor, the show? I would say Chaos Cast. I would say Mary was definitely a Chaos Cast of Kagaian and Second Chances. I don't know if you know Chaos Cast, Bowen, but like... I've never seen Kagaian. Here's what I'd say. If you want to get to know Chaos Cast, you can currently stream Kagaian, which is one of the best seasons of Survivor.

I think you would agree, Mary. I agree. Absolutely. It's currently on Netflix, Mary. I agree. Absolutely. It's currently on Netflix and it is a really good one. It's just they only have two seasons on Netflix, right? They have Kageyan and they have Heroes vs. Villains. It's so goofy the way they're doing this. I don't, because I wouldn't recommend watching either of those seasons first.

Why are they? Yeah, of course. That is interesting that they just chose those to stream there. I think maybe it's because they have like a reputation as the best seasons, maybe. Right, right. Yes, yes. People have been reaching out, asking us again for our Survivor syllabus. It's, it's, just let me know if this is wrong.

Because Mary is a huge Survivor fan, correct? Huge. Love it. Love it. So what I tell people for sort of islands pearl islands oh that's great yeah cook islands cook islands china china micronesia i have added tokantins onto this oh yeah and then heroes versus villains those are your favorites and then i say, talk to me. Because that actually... That's base level. That's required. I think that that order

sets up heroes versus villains in a way. And some people add Panama to this so that you can get the origin of Ceri. But I feel you don't necessarily need the origin of Ceri because she's really the... Then again, you do get Danielle too on Panama. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't necessarily need that season to understand why Suri is unbelievable if you're trying to quickly get through it to watch Heroes vs. Villains. Micronesia is Suri town, and she's an icon. I think that is an amazing syllabus,

and I think all of the students of this podcast should study up. Yeah. Oh, we've given them homework before. Okay. But yeah. Can you wait? I still don't understand how Survivor Quarantine worked. Like, how

many hours in the day did you guys spend on the island? Talk about what the... 24 hours a day wait really yeah i mean now they they have shifted it i think uh because of our season they they now they can only communicate in a certain like window of time during the day but it was truly like how whenever you could be on slack and talking to people at any hour of the day or night um it was so maddening and i feel like there was this element to it that made it so so much more like

and i of course have never played the actual games i don't know but um if i think about playing the actual game i think about like okay well people going to see me walking away with Matt and know we're having a conversation. But in Quarantine Island, no one knows who's talking to who. Like there's no visual for that. So it had so many layers of deception and it is so intense. It was a low point of Jared and I's relationship. Let's just say that. It was also a low point of my relationship.

Yeah, he was like, I have to tell you something. I can't wait for you to get voted out. He was like, I root for you for everything, but I can't wait for you to get voted out. Because I would ask him for advice. It was just like so intense in a way where it's like I signed up for it. I don't know how you felt, Mary, but I was like, oh, this will be fun.

And I was honestly looking for something to do online to like sort of entertain people that followed me with. I was like, maybe some people will actually follow along. And then unfortunately, like, I don't know how you are, but I can't really help myself. And I ended up getting very invested into it and immediately made huge mistakes. Like, I was just like, there was a tribal council where I stunted on those hoes so hard. And it was like the third. It was fantastic. I mean, it was it was must see TV. It was must see TV. But it put a-see TV. It was must-see TV.

But it put a target on my back that could never come off. I mean, I think Mary saw it and was like, okay, he needs to go. Wow. Yeah. You're doing either a challenge or a tribal council every other day. And sometimes you're doing back-to-back tribals and like yeah you it it is just it's so chaotic and there's no time to like settle into it like i feel like our nervous systems were peak like alert for an entire month and it was um so emotional and really and really really wild

i don't know if that gets compounded by the fact that it was like early lockdown days oh absolutely it was like it was like i think because we were still in that lockdown phase where it's like oh no one's doing anything that it completely filled up like time. And also it wasn't like you were playing for a million dollars. I think it was playing for a couple hundred bucks and, but we all acted like we were. And it was so crazy. Ultimately though, at the end of the season, we had like this final tribal council where we all voted and everything and did the whole thing. And like, got to ask questions. We were both on the jury. So we both got to have that moment.

And it was such drama. And then, honestly, this girl, Brittany, the right person won. She won. Yes, she earned it for sure. But my whole goal, I will say going into this season, I was like, there's no way I'll win. I simply can't.

But I will try to make it to the jury that is my dream yeah when we made the merge and we were all celebrating it was like we actually had done the real show it was like this is so this is absurd unhinged exactly it was unhinged wait matt did you make jury i did i was the i. I made the merge and then I was the first person voted out. Like literally unanimously. Because I couldn't believe I made it that far. I had been doing such shady shit. And I started to actively play a villain.

Just when I thought it would be funny. Did you have fun? I did, but it got crazy. And people's feelings really got hurt. And like, like in a real way, like some people that like, it was crazy. And then like the way that people were talking about me, I was like, oh no.

It really feels it. And I can like, of course, now that I've had six months to process, I can, I can like look at that and be like, oh wow, yeah, I really did get months to process. I can look at that and be like, oh, wow, yeah, I really did get so emotionally invested. And everybody who played did to differing degrees. The week or two coming out of it, I cried so much.

With my relationship too, Matt was like, this can't be all that we have happening. Oh my God. But, but seriously, it was, it was like, I,

I considered like myself and you marry normal people, but I was just like, I was like, this is so, it just really like the stakes were so high because it played on the paranoia. Like, and also because it took place over social media, I think it played on this sort of paranoia and social media thing like it was all over slack so it was just very

easy to get on slack and stay on slack yeah um and like i said this was during a more like like like you were saying bowen like during a more uncertain time in the pandemic so that was also weird totally but um ultimately i'm very happy that that we played because i do i do think that um it was it was some it was some fun moments there were some fun moments and it was it was sort of you know it's very i i really have trouble accessing my rage and not that i did access it. I didn't. But it was fun to get close. Still more work to be done. Still more work to be done. But it was like, it's such a crash course and like doing things for your own self-interest

and, you know, screwing people over in the meantime. And that is, you know, and now that's how I live my life and I love it wow and now she's the Hollywood big shot yeah I mean she's she's in a damn new Christmas family classic that she created on her

on her own merits okay so I think it might be time to ask the question though Mary we want to ask you what was the culture that made you say culture is for me matt what does that mean well this sort of is you know we should say we asked this of all lost culture is this yes all our guests margaret because we got too scared now um we want to know what was the culture that you can look back on in your life and say wow that pop culture that moment in my life uh really sort of defined me and made me follow an instinct i may not have

prior to engaging with that culture oh i have an answer for you oh my answer is the lord of the rings franchise wow oh my god and this sort And this sort of comes all the way full circle because your character in the movie is very into writing her sort of sci-fi fantasy novel. Yes, her fantasy novel. It's really, it has expanded so much, just the little details that we've added that I feel like were I to really try to write

the Shadow Dreamers and the second sister, it would be in 10 volumes and it would take me seven years between each volume. But you, you have the general outline or you have the lore figured out. Yeah. Yeah. As a sketch,

the there's like a loose sketch of the lore. I would need to get more specific, obviously, but, but yes, I, that all started for me and in a very formative time in my life. And I was, I think the first Lord of the Rings Fellowship of the Ring.

I think that came out when I was like 12 or 13. The movie. The movie, the movie. Because the books famously came out over a century ago. And the books. Are you 200? Not a century ago. And the book. Are you 200? Not a century ago. I think yes.

Fellowship of the Ring came out. The 40s? Like in the 40s, 50s? Almost a century. Wait, okay. The Hobbit came out in 1937. Sorry, it doesn't matter. Hold on.

Fellowship of the Ring, oh, 54, 1954. Okay. Not quite a century, but almost. matter. Hold on. Fellowship of the Ring, oh, 54, 1954. Okay, so not quite a century, but almost. I've been corrected. Oh, look. Wait, and is Lord of the Rings a parable? Not a parable, but was that mapped onto World War II at all? That's Harry Potter.

Who does that? That is, there are some analyses of the book that draw those parallels. But I don't know if J.R.R. Tolkien ever came outright and said, this is inspired by this. He never said, it's the war, girl. Yeah. He didn't. And he had plenty of opportunities.

He had plenty of opportunities. Head of Content Han says he said he wanted it to be more universal. There's a quote I'll find. Look. He's off to get the quote. He's off to get the quote. He's off to get the quote. Sorry, we cut you off, Mary. No, please. So this started out when the first movie came out in 2001.

I had never seen anything like it. I had never seen anything like it. And I didn't, it sort of, you know, as a kid, I was very imaginative. I could really keep myself entertained for hours and hours just playing by myself. Creating words. I'm fine. We know. I'm fine.

We're fine too. Yes. Yes. But I didn't really know much about the fantasy genre. I feel like I read or had read to me one of the books of the Chronicles of Narnia or something and loved it, but it was not a facet of my passion. That facet was asleep. Was asleep in a cave, much like Smaug. Yes. Wow. Yes, yes. Much like Smaug. Actually, title of that, Much Like Smaug. Much Like Smaug.

Wait, hold on. We have the quote. Oh, we have the quote. Okay. He said, Tan says, dramatic reading in Gandalf voice necessary. So actually, Mary, would you like to do the honors and read this quote in a Gandalf voice? Oh my fucking god, yes. Okay.

I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history, true or feigned, with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers.

I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader and the other in the purposed domination of the author. Wow. First of all, we have to applaud the reading first. Thank you. Beautiful reading. Readers, applaud the reading. And we have to applaud that incredible research by Head of Content Hans. Yes, that was beautiful.

And what an amazing quote. It really is a beautiful quote. Beautiful, beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful. So you go see the movie. I go see the movie. It's a moment. It's a moment. It felt like something

unfurled within me that i did not know was there and it it totally like i of course became a massive fan of the lord of the rings movies went back read the hobbit in its entirety read the books read the lord of the Rings books. Like I, I just really was like, Oh my God, there's this whole, there's this whole world that was just created. And you,

and you don't have to like, you can, I can like live in that world. I don't have to, does that make sense? Like it's, it's almost like, Oh my God,

this whole thing was just, is there for me the whole time. And I had no idea. I'm laughing because it's one of the funniest lines in the movie where you go, it takes a long time to build a world. And it's true. I had to stop it and rewind it like like 10 times. It was so funny. It takes a long time to build a world.

And then she drinks her wine. Yeah, she's like. It's such a good character it really really really is you killed it writing it for yourself not to move away from the Lord of the Rings I want to know was it sort of the grandeur was it the fantasy

or was it just the big was it the complex like how many characters there were or was it just the big like was it the um complex like how many characters there were it was or was it just what was it i think it was a combination of all those things i i think i sort of like found i almost found a solace in it it was like um the colors of that world and the sort of the like thinking of hobbiton in the shire and it it just made me feel so safe and you know I was entering puberty in a time that's decidedly not safe and feels really scary and overwhelming and so I feel like I really took up shelter in the in the in how detailed and nuanced this world was

and the story of course is so beautiful as well like the messages of like even the smallest person can change the course of the future yes wow oh my god was it but was was a particular was a particular scene in the movie so riveting to you like for me it's like balrog like that has to be like the moment where i'm like oh i'm in absolutely i was crushed crushed when gandalf died oh my god i and i thought how they captured that moment with all the hobbits like sobbing and like like holding each other, like really grieving. Oh, I just, I scream cried. And I did. But I do think that there was like a moment in the movie.

It's actually right before that huge scene. By the way, I'm just clutching chapstick. Yes. You got to hang on to something these days. It's nice to hold. We're in for a wild ride. It is nice to hold it is nice to hold I burst my blistex I burst my blistex in my hand

talking about Gandalf's death today on Lost Culturistas now there's blistex all over my hand is this are you going to talk about the Council of Elrond or are you gonna talk oh i love that thing too i mean there's so many things i love the thing i was gonna talk about was the moment when um when they're like waiting for gandalf to remember which way to go

in moria and he's like he doesn't remember which tunnel and so they're all just like waiting for gandalf to remember and and then and frodo oh this when they first see gollum too gollum's kind of lurking around right and gandalf kind of fills frodo in on who gollum is and then frodo i you know feeling the the weight of this thing he's been tasked with says um oh i i wish the ring had never come to me i wish none of this had happened and then then Gandalf says, what might be my favorite quote in any movie ever? He says, so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. And that's when I knew. That's when I knew. That's when you said culture is for me.

So beautiful. Culture is for me. You know what? Culture is for me. Wow. That's as good an answer as anything. Truly. Like, Lord of the Rings is major.

Major. I'm not the first person to say this, but here's my- You are. I'm about to reveal something. I'm about to reveal something that is like Hugh Grant killing his, not killing his sister, but letting his sister get hit by a car in the undoing level, like sociopathic.

So not the biggest secret in the series, but one of the bigger ones. One of the bigger ones that like truly paints a dark picture of the person. And makes us kind of cock our eyebrow. Yeah. Yeah. Ready? You ready?

Ready. So I was obsessed with the Lord of the Rings, the first movie as well, and bought the video games on Game Boy Advance. And I believe that was it. That was the only console I had. And I was obsessed with Lord of the Rings. And then we went to Borders one day

and bought paperback versions of all three books I started Fellowship of the Ring could not make it past the first 60 pages I also tried to read it and could not but then I needed to it's a lot but I needed to like

I knew I needed to like experience it and know more about the world without doing the actual reading that i joined a message board online have i told you this matt no i was gonna guess that you were like cliff notes but no i joined a message but i didn't even do that but i joined a message board online called the council of elrond where they had where they had like elvish lessons to teach you how to write in elvish and speak in elvish. I'm losing it.

Oh, Bowen. It might still be around in some form. Or if you do, like, the Wayback Machine and, like, look it up. But then there would be, like, message boards on there where you would do role plays, like, text-based role plays that have nothing to do with Lord of the Rings, but could be inspired by the Lord of the Rings. And so then I would like, I was like, I was 11 years old and I would be like on these message boards, like pretending to play different characters in high fantasy. Like LARPing online.

LARPing online. But it's like all like long form text things. And like people would post in there like once, but you'd be like building a story together, like one post by one post. That's fun. Sometimes the stories would be like legit good and i was i like did not know how to write like at all um so i was just kind of like going in there my esl ass just like throwing stuff in but like it was like lord of the rings was like a gateway

for me to like get into storytelling yeah i feel the same way. Oh my gosh, really connecting. Connecting. I want to find those message boards. I bet they're out there. They must be out there. I went on Nicole Byer and Lauren Lapkus' Newcomers podcast. They cover The Lord of the Rings in their second

season. And I just consumed the special features on all the special extended edition of the DVDs of the movies and there is those DVDs were gorgeous they were beautiful DVDs

they were like a book that was like when DVDs were having the moment and I remember we got surround sound and it was like when you first got surround sound that was like my family sprung for it like a nice DVD we got surround sound and it was like that when you first got surround sound like that was like my family like sprung for it like a nice dvd player with surround sound and it was like the lord of the rings was one of the first movies we watched because it was like designed specifically to create that experience and it was like yeah wild just fully immersed

in the world um but Liv Tyler talks about how she took lessons in elvish and like how to pronounce it and i you know i paused it and rewound it and rewatch that and pause it and rewound it and rewatch it i was like so i was desperate to be an elf desperate i gotta say that was your choice right you wanted to be an elf i wanted to be an elf or a hobbit or you know i mean hobbits are you know they're listen they changed the course they changed the core the world the world were you horny for orlando bloom as legolas and i was and i was and i was i should say i i knew there was something about that Orlando Bloom at the time. Special. I think the character that I did find myself drawn to the most was Liv Tyler as Arwen.

Yes. Because she iconically sort of rode up on that horse and took out the sword and said, if you want him, come and claim him. And I was like, that is the badass girl boss queen of Lord of the Rings and it says that in the character description in the books early 20s bombshell girl boss

hot but approachable queen elf strong skincare legend Gwyneth Paltrow brunette type what is your skincare legend. Gwyneth Paltrow brunette type. What is your favorite film of the three? It's really hard to say.

I think it would have to be Fellowship just because that's the one that started it all for me. Started it all? Started it all. But I was just emotionally totally walloped by all three of them love them all i'm a two towers boy because two towers is where like it starts to pick up fellowship of the ring it's a bit of a slog that's the only thing it has going against it yeah and once you get to

two towers that's when you that's when it's like the juicy stuff you you you know saruman's deal um yeah aeon comes helms deep it really gets going and the ends like tree beard like it's like like i fucking like two towers is where like the world starts to build out more like being like when they the fact that they split up i'm so horny for like what a beautiful like i'm horny for it too i'm horny for it so horny see i get that help me help me i think i to speak of horniness like i kind of appreciate a climax so you know i'm gonna love 12 climaxes which is why i love return of the king because it famously has about 45 endings. Yeah. Beautiful. It's so epic and so like, just like metaphorical juice squirt cinematically.

Multiple cinematic orgasms. Yeah, it really wasn't that. What we all strive for. But I also appreciate the two towers because sort of like the reason why my favorite Star Wars

is actually in both trilogies, Empire Strikes Back and The Last Jedi are my favorites because I feel that's when they actually do the emotional work. Like the emotional work happens in those middle films. And Attack of the Clones too. Of course, of course, of course. And Attack of the Clones as well.

The other great cinematic masterpiece. Absolutely. We're totally agreed on that. I wanted to ask you like, because you so love lord of the rings and so appreciate that world does that mean that you are more susceptible to other types of cinematic worlds a la your star wars your harry potter your all these types of things or do you find yourself comparing it to the big mama that you love so much and therefore

everything pales in comparison. Like where do you, Avatar even. Like where do you fall on this scale? Once again, I mean, I think, I mean, if I,

I'm sort of in the center, I think. because I do. Centrist like Bo. I'm like Bo. Yeah. A centrist. Centrist.

A centrist. Queen, Queen Kamala, et cetera. Yes. Bowen isn't wearing a shirt right now under the cardigan that says it says queen kamala and then below it it's just her laughing a really big laugh and below it it says go off jennet yellen girl boss that's what it says that says below a picture of Kamala Harris? Yeah. And she's wearing her pride jacket. Oh, got it. Okay.

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Listen to the How to Do Everything podcast on iHeartRadio. Lord of the Rings is the scent. I'm sorry, we keep cutting you off. No, please. I love it. I thrive on it. Yes. I think Lord of the Rings is that sort of like constantly what everything will be compared

to. However, when it is a really specific, well-structured, well-built out world, and does it help that it's like a period piece, like a piece that takes place in some in some long forgotten past yes yes and i think that's what i love so much about harry potter too is that that world while it is like modern it's also has such a deep history and there's still so many elements of it that feel very locked in a specific period of time. It is, weirdly enough, a period piece. Yeah. It is.

Lord of the Rings, though, I will always admire how they just kept it at three. I mean, there's Silmarillion, there's Hobbit, there's all the other stuff, but it's like he did not want to mess with the core of what he had and then, because now you have J.K. Rowling

appending all this stuff onto the original seven. I don't even count her as a human being in the past six years. Nope. I would like to stop her narrative where she started. I agree. Squeeze her in time. Yeah, I've actually completely moved on from anything she has created in the past five years or will create she's just, I'm actually, I've actually completely moved on from anything she has created

in the past five years or will create in the future. I'm fine. The Harry Potter books are important to me and they stay frozen in amber as what they are, the piece of work they are

and I don't need her ever again. Dana Radcliffe put it best, but, um, Yes, he did. But did you guys, today the click hole did a thing where, um, I saw this.

The saga continues. J.K. Rowling revealsake the saga continues jaker rolling reveals okay wait let me let me just pull it up because because i just i just think it's i just think it's really funny i used to think it was funny whenever she'd tweet like and by the way hermione had a cousin that was adopted from south korea it's just like this is kind of like okay cool thank you jk then all of a sudden she's a transphobe and yeah horrifying so just like, it's just kind of like, okay, cool, thank you, JK. Then all of a sudden, she's a transphobe and it's horrifying. It's this click-hole graphic that says

the saga continues. JK Rowling has revealed that the man still Team 6 thought was Osama Bin Laden was actually Professor McGonagall using a polyjuice potion and the real Osama Bin Laden teaches sex ed at Hogwarts now. And then did you read,

did you read every tweet in the thread? No. Did you read a way? Okay. It's going to take a minute, but I, can I, can I please read the whole thing?

Yes. Okay. This is, these are all JK Rowling tweets in one giant thread that click hole has like doctored. Okay. This is JK Rowling tweeting in 2009. Professor McGonigal woke up in the middle of the night and said,

I have a good idea. Then she drank a Polyjuice potion containing Osama bin Laden's eyelash. What? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I might not make it through this. I'm so sorry. She drank a Polyjuice potion containing Osama bin Laden's eyelash,

which turned her into a perfect lookalike of him. Then she flew to Abbottabad, Pakistan on a broomstick. McGonagall finds Osama bin Laden McGonagall finds Osama bin Laden's compound on MapQuest and goes to there. When Osama bin Laden sees a duplicate

of himself standing at his front door, he says, you're me, let's get married. So Osama and McGonagall, who has morphed into osama get married the next day professor mcgonigal continues drinking the osama bin laden polyjuice potion every day so she always looks like him when the people of abadabad see professor mcgonigal walking around they say there goes either osama bin laden or his wife who is also osama bin laden professor mcgonigal and osama bin laden or his wife who is also osama bin laden professor mcgonigal and osama bin laden are completely indistinguishable from one another professor mcgonigal starts calling herself osama bin laden and calling the real osama bin laden osama bin laden jr it's

impossible to tell which is which while she's living her life as osama mcgonigal keeps doing weird witch things she buys like 50 owls a month and kills them for spells she tosses the carcasses into a big barrel in the yard labeled osama bin laden's dead owls she also helps run al-qaeda things continue like this for about two years but then seal team six notices the barrel of owl carcasses labeled osama bin laden's dead owls outside the compound and figures this is probably where Osama bin Laden is hiding. Wait, okay, should I finish these? How much longer are

they? What a story. No, okay, everyone, I've lost my audience already. Go on the quick little Instagram and read the rest of the tweets. I can't. It's beautiful. Well, I'm happy we got them. Either way, thank you, JK.

Wait, no, hold on. Before we move on from Lord of the Rings, have you read The Silmarillion? Have you read these other books? I've tried. I got a little ways into The Silmarillion. And this is something that we wanted to capture with Jane in the book that she was writing,

where there is such... The thing about The Silmarillion is it's, of course, so beautifully written. all the books are, but they're so detailed that anybody who who's kind enough to ask her about it will immediately regret it and get lost and like not be able to follow anything she's saying because it's so specific and and um there's too much going on yeah there's like a running gag throughout the movie where they keep returning to just Mary in process explaining her book to whoever her captive audience is. And it does. It's funny every single time.

So good. So I guess what I'm saying and what I know Bowen is saying, I know it's certainly what Mary is saying, is that you gotta watch Happiest Season. It will make you feel so good. And also not for nothing, but I really um excited about telling my parents about it like i was like you gotta watch happiest season and i really think that they'll enjoy it it's really good family fun and also it feels like it's for us too you know what i mean like it's really it delivers in many different ways and also ultimately primarily number one is like it'll get you in the mood and it will make you laugh and feel good.

Yeah. And if you're someone who wants to, you know, munch Kristen Stewart's box. It's for you, too. It's really for you. It's really for you. Thank you so much, Matt. Thank you. Oh, my God.

So good. We love it so much. And I feel as though, Beau, it might be time. I think it's time. I think it's time. I think it's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. So Mary is a veteran of I Don't Think So, Honey, not only as a subject of an I Don't Think So, Honey. Oh, I've been on both sides.

You've been on both sides. You've both been ripped apart by the form. What an honor. And also ripped the form apart at our iconic LA show, which Bowen was not able to attend but I co-hosted with Joe Kim Booster during a rainy fucking night in downtown LA. It was

downpouring, Bow. It was so much. I remember that. I knew that that night was rainy. You guys were telling me. Oh my god. It wasn't even just rainy. It was like hysterical rain. Which is the rarest of things. We never get that. That never raining. It was like hysterical rain. Which is the rarest of things. We never get that. That never happens.

It was a magical night. Only when I fly the fuck out to do a show. Downtown. By the way. Yeah, hello. Oh, right. DTLA. But we did have a good crowd and it was such a fun show and Mary was amazing. And I got to meet all the Wild Horses ladies. Yes,

we were all there we were running free yes the wild horses were sort of you know mating in the wilderness as it were thank god too but so she's really attractive from all angles and she will do the same but not before

me and Bowen Yang do I don't think so honey which is a 60 second rant on something in pop culture that we hate currently. Or always. I love it. Or always. Do you have one? I do.

I do have a thing. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, being preoccupied with the Saved by the Bell Selena Gomez joke

about the kidney transplant. Okay, let's get the fuck over it because it's not actually a joke at Selena Gomez's expense, honey. It's a joke about gossip kidney transplant. Okay, let's get the fuck over it because it's not actually a joke at Selena Gomez's expense, honey. It's a joke about gossip about celebrities. Okay, bitch? And yes, they apologize. So can we fucking move on?

It's a hilarious show. It's Tracy Wigfield that's created it. The room is incredible. A friend of the pod, Dwayne Perkins is a consulting producer on it. He's also on the show and is very funny on it. Literally, the show is hilarious.

The younger kids are amazing. The older cast is incredible. Mario Lopez is hotter now at 47 than he was at 20. Elizabeth Berkley's great. Mark Paul Gosselaar and Tiffany Thiessen are just as hot, just as funny. They make Governor of California, Zach Morris, the villain of the show, which is a genius move. Because he's like a conservative, like a governor.

It's hilarious. Josie Tota is a superstar slaying on a James McCaskill level. If you're going to let some fucking tweet that you saw about Selena Gomez deter you from watching it, I don't think so, honey. It's your loss.

And that's one minute. Thank you. Wow. It's so, a fantastic show. I need to watch it. I never, Mary, you will be, you will, Mary, you will be gagged.

It is so funny. It's like. It's 30 Rock. It's Tracy McField. It really is. Yeah. It gives you 30 Rock type humor. Like there are jokes in it that like every character has.

Also, I will say, oh God, I forget his last name. His first name is, last name is Hoog, but he plays Mac Morris. Michael Hoog. Mitchell Hoog. Mitchell Hoog. This kid is killing it. Really funny. And also the leads are really fun.

So fun. Haskiri Velasquez. She's so good. Haskiri Velasquez is amazing. She plays Daisy. The girl who plays Aisha is amazing. The girl, the guy who plays, like a lot of it, it's like Jamie Spano. the girl who plays Aisha is amazing. The girl, uh, the guy who plays, um, uh,

like a lot of it, it's like Jamie Spano. It's like Jesse Spano's son. It's like a lot of their kids that kind of step into who they were. Like he's like the AC Slater of the show. Like truly. It's so funny. Every character is really fun. And Josie Tota is steals the whole thing.

And she's slaying on a level that is like star is born moment. And we need to get her on the show for sure. Yeah. It's so impressive that. Gotta watch her. Yeah. You gotta, you gotta. It's so impressive how there's, it's, it's juggling this like really like current self-aware story or premise.

Like, oh, like a, like an underfunded school to merge with um like a very overprivileged school that's like bellevue yeah which is which is what bayside was always right always was but then but then you also have to like balance this story like the the bcd stories with the parents or with the like the former students like it just it juggles so many different balls it spins so many different plates at the same time it It's so impressive how it comes together. Just the conceit of it is so smart. Like I just loved how immediately they were like, Zach Morris is the villain who's put them all in this situation.

Like it's just, it's so good. And he doesn't shy away from it at all. He's like, I'm sure he's thrilled. No, they're there. They all have such a,

they still have such a handle on their characters. And like, they make a lot of jokes about like the caffeine pill addiction and like the sort of afterschool specialness of the original Saved by the Bell. Like it really is sort of like a Pleasantville-ish vibe where it's like this world

where these kids that go to Bayside live is completely different from the world of like the underprivileged kids that come into the school. And it's just really fun. And it's also like the central best friendship is between Mac Morris was like this white blonde Zach Morris type and, um, Daisy, who's the Latino girl who's like class president. She comes in and that's like to, to, I just really love that you see all sorts of atypical relationships in the show.

You know, the quarterback is a girl of the football team. Like, it's just goofy and fun and imagines a world that's like, where the rules are really heightened and it plays by those rules really well. And the jokes are great. So great. And I just, I never thought I would enjoy it as much as I did, but I really recommend it and want people to sort of move past this silly little throwaway joke they made about Selena Gomez in the sixth episode. Cause it's like,

it's a shame cause you look it up and it's every news story and it makes me mad. It's just like, it's a funny show. Then Peacock or Universal NBC also just like, don't like apologize. Like they spoke with Selena's people. They donated to her, to one of her charities. It's all good. Like,

I mean, we're, we're, we're already past it just on a moral level. Yeah. Yeah. I just want people to watch it because it's, it's great. And there's a lot of great young talent in it.

And, um, all right. So Bowen Yang, are you ready to sort of unleash her? I don't think so, honey. This is Bowen Yang's.

I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. the finale of Great British Bake Off it was so irresponsible of you to carry Laura through to the final

it was so irresponsible because she was having emotional breakdowns every single round because she was doubting herself the entire time you should have let her go weeks and weeks ago we all have fond memories of Laura as a contestant

but to put her through to the final and to just have her sort of there the entire time when she's just doubting herself at every turn you're responsible, you could have pushed Hermine through the final, you could have pushed her through the final I mean there's something flawed in the elimination structure of

GBBO where people who slip up one time get fucked over. It ends up making for like lackluster finales where this is such an emotional high stakes season of Bake Off with the COVID of it all. Five seconds. For some reason, it felt so underwhelming. Congratulations to Peter, the youngest winner in history, but overall just an irresponsible finale. And that's one minute. Wow. Oh, man. Great British... It's hard to say. First of all, we have to say... We have to say

it's a real culture number. I'm sorry to say five. Great British Bake Off is hard to say. And we have to say that. And we have to say it. Because no one else will what were your thoughts on the finale Mary

I really understand where you're coming from I really do because I do think that there were it was indicated very early on that like there's so much talent there of course but you know as far as like being able to like

get through that high pressure situation and have the kind of confidence of like a Peter or a David like that, that is really challenging. And I have to say, I agree with your opinion. And what's awful is that everyone came after this girl, Laura, because this fan favorite, Hermine, had been eliminated. And so everyone was attacking this girl, Laura, because this fan favorite, Hermine, had been eliminated. And so everyone was attacking this girl, Laura, after the semifinal episode. And then, like, Paul Hollywood, the people from the show had to go on social media and be like, guys, cut it out.

Oh, man. That's awful. I just think, like, it's somehow, like, most seasons of Bake Off are, like, no, like, the reason why you watch the show is because there's no drama. Right, exactly. It's so pleasant. It's so pleasant pleasant and yet there's all this like there are all these heightened emotions around it um that i guess have have to do with covid but like with the lore of it all

like i like i thought she would she did great all season but you know it first it seemed like such a choice to carry her through the final instead of someone like her mean who was so consistent and tragically slipped up on a season on on a week that she should have excelled at which was patisserie week she's this french baker and um a lot of pressure i don't know a lot of pressure a lot of pressure but she and she like ditched so matt she like for the um the showstopper challenge like the big climactic challenge of the week right um she decided to scrap her original plan and do something completely never good experimental did not end up going well for her

this was a specialty of hers and she decided to try to yes she up. She was French. She tried to... And the judges were like, hubris. Hubris. Icarus. Once again, Icarus. Icarus. Once again. Once again. Icarus flying.

Flying too close to hubris. Once again. Once again. Ladies and gentlemen, hubris. And once again, musical guest. Hubris. Hubris. Musical guest.

Hubris. Hubris. I actually kind of think that's an iconic i do too i think that's an incredible name hubris is a great stage name wow who who wants it me me i want it i'm calling anyway yeah i i would say to all reality show contestants um if it ain't broke don't fix it it's great advice just stay the course y'all i always also feel like with any reality show contestants, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's great advice. Just stay the course, y'all. I always also feel like with any reality show,

it's like whenever there's like the fan favorite or like the underdog that gets tossed in with people that actually have a run at the win, I think it makes finales less fun, to be honest with you. Like I just think like- Like it feels like every reality show that's competitive lately there's always an upset like there's always just like someone that makes it into the finale because it's gonna be nice to see them there you know what i mean like for me that was crystal

method on drag race for me that was nelly on dancing with the stars it sounds like it was this individual on great british break off where it's just like, yes, we understand they were an important part of the season that was fun, but this is the finale. You know what I mean? Like, let's let the competitors compete. And I understand that it is subjective and I'll probably get dragged still by the Crystal Method fans, but

that's just the way I feel like. I feel like at the end of, you know, for example, in American American Idol that's why you don't want to see Kelly versus Justin you want to see Kelly versus Tamara this is of course a 17 18 year old season of a television show I'm bringing up but I think the point stands we litigate it I'm still litigating this still litigating it yeah still litigating only on Peacock yeah still litigating

starring Hubris starring Hubris and Noma Duman Swenny oh if you want a title that's harder to pronounce harder to pronounce than Great British Bake Off

it's still litigating still litigating that's a tongue twister still litigating I'm gonna be honest with you it's easier to say than Great British Bake Off okay

still litigating I think it's time it is time it is time it's time. It is time. It is time. It's time for a Mary Holland. I don't think so, honey. Oh my God.

This is huge. How ready do you feel? I guess as ready as I'm ever going to be. All right. Okay. Here's the thing. I have the phone in my hand.

Okay. That's good timing. My heart's beating so fast. Bone, wait. How are you feeling, by the way you said you were you were feeling kind of sick before i feel a little better now i've been really blitzing my body with like vitamins and and totally totally and her time starts now oh i don't think so hey i don't think so honey uh mary not being able to access her rage because because guess what mary guess what you got asked to be a

guest on this amazing podcast and you know that part of the podcast is you have to rant about something that you don't like or that you hate and how come you can't access that what is what's in the way for you where you can't you're trying to think of something and he can't think of anything last time you did it you know what you did you talked about how you don't like it when suddenly somebody gets 30 seconds by a bus or a car in a movie how you don't like that and that's what you ranted about and then that how could you why can't you why can't you get there you are able to get there with so many other emotions but you're not able to get there with your anger or with, you know, you know, and look, and it's not. OK, you got to get better.

You got to do better. You got it. You know what? Five seconds. And remember, it's you're OK. Wow. OK, so I just want to say something. That's one minute.

Not even in your I don't think so, honey. That was directed at your own self. You get that mad. You ended it with and you're OK.'re not you can't access rage it's a problem i really yeah i i mean whose side are you on i'm once again i'm centrist once again i'm centrist once again i'm centrist centrist wait. Wait, when's the angriest you've ever been your whole life? I can tell you exactly. It was when,

and I think that this is maybe the cause of it subsequently being buried in me for eternity, is I was like six years old and my parents had some friends over and their kids over to watch the Super Bowl.

I'm truly wrapped, wrapped, wrapped. And they were the adults were like watching the Super Bowl in in like this little TV room area with the door closed. And the kids were all out. We're all playing with each other. And my brother did something that made me mad for some reason. And I, you know, as a child and an adult, I'm very emotional, very like sensitive and tuned in. And so I was really upset. And the other kids who were there were all older than me. And I think to them, it was just like, oh, my God, the baby is crying again. And that sort of dismissiveness, it hit me deep, deep, deep in my core. And I remember I was like freaking out.

And my sister said to my brother, I'm the youngest of three. So my sister said to my brother, I'm the youngest of three. So my sister said to my brother, go get mom and dad. She's, you know, she's freaking out. She's like losing it. And my brother went in to like get my parents' attention. And he was, you know, like a boy. I feel like he was 10 at the time.

And he said to my parents, he said, Mom, Dad, it's that time of the month again. And I didn't know what that meant. Oh, God. He was just making out. How did he know? He heard it somewhere. He clearly did not

know what it meant. He heard it off the television and he thought, this is when women get crazy once a month. Well, I thought, I took that to mean, here we go, Mary's having her monthly freak out. And that was a thing the family talked about. And I got so mad that I projectile vomited. Oh my God. Well, that's probably why you're afraid to get angry. You don't want to

ruin all your things. That's a power. Find a silks and furs. I don't want to ruin them. You've decorated your home with silks and furs. You don't want to be projectile vomiting on them. I think it's actually a superpower. Yeah, if you had to be incapable of expressing an emotion, anger

is probably a good one to be incapable of accessing and expressing it feels like there's an aspect of myself that i'm not able to know and not able to like um have the courage of my convictions i think because of it because i don't uh it's not like i really have to dig to like get to the place where I want to projectile vomit again. You know what I mean? Well, I just want to get back there. Take me back. I just want to get back.

I know, but you, you do like to lose control. Like I think part of anger for anybody is losing control. And that is, that is like a little scary. Yeah. I feel like also it's tough when you are someone who um has had to hide

emotions because it reveals you um like when i was younger and still to this day when i get angry and i feel like i've expressed anger something i'll do a lot to a lot of people is be like was i justified in doing that was that okay like was i too much was this because i feel like i'm used to hiding myself in an emotional state because i think it reveals or it revealed a truth about me which probably is gayness that i was afraid of as a young person nowadays it's like i'll try to take space because i think what you're saying is important it is important to know when to put your foot down and argue for yourself and stand up for yourself but i am seldom without the question after of was i justified in the way i behaved oh my god constantly yeah i feel that same way and i i don't know how to and that's interesting to hear you

talk about that because i i really thought that that was something that most people are able to like get angry and feel confident in that emotion and how it's expressed because it truly every emotion i'm like was that too much like constantly well you were told that it was at a formative age so i don't think i don't think it's you obviously have this memory which has imprinted on you which is yeah you got so upset and what everyone's response to it was don't take her seriously which is which is something that could stay with you for a long time and so it's honestly good that you remember where it came from because that's that's everything you know what i mean yeah yeah did you know this was therapy? No. How much do I owe you guys?

$400. Wow. Okay. Bowen's a centrist. I was going to do it for free. No, I want 400. You're a centrist.

For an hour and a half. Bowen has, Bowen has recently become more comfortable with his own anger. I love that. I have, I have, but I would have, like but my my relationship with anger is weird because i've always been told within the family at least that it's like you

get that from your dad you get that you get that from your dad my dad when he gets angry it's wild and when i get angry it's even wilder and i fully lose control and like I will go through I have I think in like my teen years gone through like rage blackouts not where I would hurt anybody but where I would like just leave my eyes leave my body because I was so so so so so angry angry yeah it's overpowering it's an overpowering emotion. Yeah. And you lose control. For me, that's what's scary. Yeah. Do you find that as an actor, while maybe anger is not your thing, do you find the other emotions easier to access? character in the movie is a comedic role but there's actually quite an emotional um turn

that happens towards the end of the movie which honestly caught me by surprise because you do such a good job at blending in and just being comedic relief that it it's like when something big happens to your character it's like of course this character feels this way of course this character is has access to the entire spectrum of human emotion and you know whether it's because she's the youngest in the family and hasn't been taken seriously and maybe that's something you identify with oh the middle child rather sorry um but being the being the one that that wasn't taken seriously um has repercussions on the character and her emotional moment, not to give too much away. But do you find as an actor that it's easy for you to access emotions?

For me, it's tough. For me, it's like sometimes I feel like that's what makes me someone that's very good at playing close to myself. But then when it comes to playing other emotions, I find that to be a lot harder than it looks. Yeah, I am able to dip into it, but I think I'm generally a very sensitive person. It doesn't take me, it doesn't take much for me to get there. But I also think that I have, I really feel a level of safety when I'm playing a role to like to go to places that in my life I might not necessarily go to. annoyed at everything and that that's not me at all but i i it was so fun it's almost like i get to exercise those feelings as long as i have the safety of like uh it's okay this is a character yeah yeah yeah it's like babysitting or it's like it's like being an aunt yeah with like your nieces and nephews where like it's just temporary i get to hand back the child yeah after this is done

right right yeah maybe yeah definitely i think i think for sure it's like you don't have ownership over what you've done because it wasn't you exactly just like how it's not your kid and it doesn't matter what happens when you watch it right that's what you were saying yeah yes i'm like hugh grant in the undoing um you know what okay i just this is kind of this is just an acting thing that has really resonated with me recently. I was watching interviews with Anya Taylor-Joy. Oh, yes. Fab.

And. Fab. Fab. And I think they were, they were, someone was asking her like what her process was or whatever. And she was just like, you know, like I used to be really concerned about like, and this is what I'm concerned about all the time. And this is so shallow and stupid.

But whenever I'm like on camera, I'm like, is my face doing the right thing? Yeah. And then I've had this thought constantly, but then she'm like on camera, I'm like, is my face doing the right thing? Yeah. And then I've had this thought constantly, but then she wasn't, Anya Taylor-Drew wasn't directly addressing this, but she was like, I had an acting teacher tell me once, as long as you have the thought,

you're going to do the right thing. As long as you are, which I guess is like, is that Meisner, I guess, or whatever. I don't know what technique that is. It does sound Meisner-y. Yeah.

That you don't need to control any other aspect. It's just like, just organically be in the moment. Or, yeah, exactly. Just, like, supplant the thought into your head of, like, I'm angry. I'm going to think of something that would make this character angry and then be angry.

That's going to translate. And that'll sell it. She is the queen of you look at her you look at her the queen she is the queen of gambits first of all we should say and also say it like we have to she really doesn't do and i say this in a in a in a way where i'm so impressed by her but doesn't take her much to transfer a lot. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like she is truly brilliant. Micro expressions.

She's, she really is. Yeah. Yeah. She's amazing in the queen's gambit. Famously Bowen took me to see thoroughbreds a few years ago and I was blown away by her. She was so good.

I've never seen a thoroughbred. Oh, it's really good. You would like it. Yeah. The other girl is really good. So I believe never seen thoroughbred. Oh, it's really good. You would like it. Yeah. The other girl is really good. So I believe her name is Alicia cook. That could,

that could be wrong. She's excellent. She's fantastic, but it's like just a really good, really tense, funny, dark, dark,

dark, dark comedy that they are amazing. And they play teen girls who are horse girls they play teen horse girls who get together after several years of being apart after one of them has been in a juvenile detention facility and the other

one who's continued to live her life starts tutoring her and it's about their relationship and what they decide to do together so it's really really juicy oh my gosh you had me at teen horse girl And it's about their relationship and what they decide to do together. So it's really, really, really good. Juicy. Oh my gosh. You had me at Teen Horse Girl. Yeah.

But speaking of Teen Horse Girl, I mean... Wait, one thing I wanted to just bring up. You went to Interlochen? I did, yeah. Okay, I didn't know that. So that's like a prestigious performing arts high school, y'all. So that's why we have the brilliance. I see, I see.

She understands the process. Yeah. The access to the emotion. She is aware that she has trouble accessing her anger because of the interlocking background. I mean, you're not wrong. You're not wrong about that. Yeah, I did.

I went there my last two years of high school. Did you love? Was it fun to go to school like that? Oh, my God. It was heaven. It was heaven. Yeah, you just had to kind of, like, do fun things. Yeah.

I wish. I wish. I wish. Anyway. We turned out okay. We turned out fine. Sure. Okay. We turned out fine. Um, but,

um, yeah, but, um, uh, we'll have to have that discussion on another episode where you come back. Oh my God. This was so fun.

I'm so happy to have you. And Mary's going places. I bet you anything. Oh, I mean, come on. We have this, just so excited for you, for everyone to see this. I mean, I'm sure everyone that is seeing it is all talking about how amazing you are in it.

And then finding out that you wrote it probably is a big old wallop. But you did. And Happiest Season is available to stream right now on Hulu. And it'll make you feel really good. And it will make you laugh. And like I said, feel in the season. And it even inspired me to get a tree. And you can too.

The ultimate compliment. Oh my gosh. I thought in the season as well. He's not going to get a tree because he famously has no room in his apartment. Not even for the Christmas gift I gave him. Oh. Birthday gift rather. Birthday gift, rather. Birthday gift.

Okay. I will eventually. We don't have to do this now. No, we don't. What we do have to do is we have to end with a song, which is really how we have one. We end all episodes. Okay, Bob.

Good, okay. What song? It's the most wonderful time of the year. We got rain and snow and it's always raining. It's the happiest season of all. Oh my God. If you want to hear more of that song, there were so many notes.

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