Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "My Big Fat Greek Culture" (w/ George Civeris)

Episode Date: August 28, 2019

This week George Civeris joins Matt and Bowen to discuss his attendance at the Olympic opening ceremony in Greece, My Big Fat Greek Wedding as a romantic comedy classic, Vanderpump Rules, Love Island and how reality TV has toed the line of taste over the years, Kirsten Dunst and her iconic screen history, what it means to have four Spice Girls instead of five, and more.MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. If you keep reaching out, then I'll keep coming back. And if you're going for good, then I'm okay with it. But if you leave the light on on I'll leave the light on

Wow. What a crazy twist that we start the episode with a song. What compelled you to sing Maggie? I just bought tickets to see her.

You did? Great. I'm going in September. I think I'm going on September 20th. In Los Angeles? Yes, in Los Angeles at the Greek Theater

which is my fave space. The Greek Theater? Up in the mountains? Up high in the mountains. Yes. I electric scootered a couple, about a month ago, to the Image and Heap concert at the Greek Theater. I'm sorry, and you lived to tell the tale? I lived to tell the tale. Actually, a thing I do

is I electric scooter. You gotta be careful. You have to be so careful. It's actually a little culture number four. You gotta be so careful on an electric scooter. You gotta be careful. You have to be so careful. It's actually a little culture number four. You gotta be so careful on an electric scooter. Was it a bird? I have bird and lime. Yeah. Do you know about this? Yeah, so I think

last year I went to LA, I think they had just I was in Santa Monica and decided to take a bird all the way down to the pier and almost died and I was like, never again. And you know my family history with bi-wheeled vehicles. I don't know about this. Oh, my grandpa got hit by a bus while riding a bike in China and almost died. Then my mom, his daughter, got hit by a bus and almost died on a bicycle.

So I don't trust myself. So it's truly the transitive property that you have in near-death experience. Yeah, it's inherited trauma. Or a two-wheeled mobile. Yeah, exactly. So I don't trust myself with no electric scooter. But that's beautiful for you that this is your thing, is that you electric scooter to concerts.

That's really my thing now? To these woo-woo ethereal pop stars. Yeah, and honestly, what would you call Maggie? She's pretty woo. She loves tweeting about astrology, that Maggie. Well, I do love that for her. Famously, I had an out-of-body experience when we went upstate and I looked at the moon and listened

to Light On for the first time. So I had a spiritual experience at that same trip and I went outside at one point by myself and I listened to Deep Cut Maggie, early Maggie Rogers. It was wonderful. Do you know it was on this pod that we literally found out about my goddess that is Maggie when Mike Helton was like,

when we did yes, honey, instead of I don't think so. Honey, he said, yes, honey, Maggie Rogers.

And we said, who? And then Maggie listened to that episode. She tweeted at us. I, I, sorry, we're just,

we're just name dropping. Well, Bowen is. I am. Well, you are. Well, I am.

Anyway, and I, I, I stand Maggie. Yes, of course. And I'm I am. Anyway. And I stan Maggie. Yes, of course. And I'm going to see her. And I've been on a concert kick, as have you. She's opening up for Casey that date, I think.

I might. I think that's it. I think that's the tea. Wait, what do you mean, what tea? So Casey's doing another leg. Casey Musgraves is doing another leg of her tour. She's not open. Not the date I'm going.

She's open. Maggie's doing her own show. Maggie's doing her own show. Maggie's doing her own show. Okay, great. Then I believe you. I believe women. Why would he tell me that I was,

like, as if I wouldn't know that I, I'm turning to our guests now because it's really ridiculous. I know what tickets I bought. Yes, yes, yes. Well, look, hold on. One second, one second.

You act intellectually superior. Oh, my God. You act intellectually superior and Bo's gotta go. Can we talk about this? Yeah, I mean, we can talk about it. I think it's my first pointedly negative targeted review. Your first targeted negative review.

And I gotta say, it sucks. Yeah, it doesn't feel good, does it? It doesn't feel good. And I'm so sorry. And now we have a shared experience. Truly. Someone, well, this is. Someone said Bo's gotta go.

Bo's gotta go replace Bo's gotta go. Replace Bowen with Joel or Sudi. He's utterly joyless and I'm sick of him. Painful to watch. He's painful to listen to and it's painful to listen to him act. Act intellectually superior. And, you know, I'll cop to some. You don't have to cop to that.

It's a hater and a troll. And as I always say, kisses to my critics. Kisses to my critics. But actually, so you can do this thing on iTunes where you click on their handle and it takes you to all the reviews they've posted for other stuff. Wow, I didn't know that. And so then this person

first of all their handle was you feel that way which is an homage to Matt so this person hates me and loves you which is I love. They endorse this stripper. They endorse this stripper and then I clicked on their handle to see their other reviews. Okay.

And their other review was for another forever dog podcast. Nicole's great anatomy. Fabulous. Fabulous. I was on the first episode. This person reviewed the first left review after the first episode and, and it was saying how great the podcast is, which is,

which it is. And they end it with also Bowen is Bay. Well, so they, so they obviously they had a turn. There was some turn, some inflection point there. I am so curious to see. This might be a Dylan Maron conversation. I was going to say, we should have a Dylan Maron moment

and bring You Feel That Way on the pod and confront them about what makes them hateful. What makes them hateful. Do you know what makes me joyful? Oh, our guests. Our guests. I love our guests very much. I remember meeting our guests.

And you know, I always remember the important meetings in my life. Yes. And you count this as one of them. Well, I met this person in a car. You two were the same class at JFL. We were. And we got put in the same car. Actually, it was a very gay car.

It was me, our guest, and Sam Jay. Oh, that's a gay car. And we were driven to Montreal. Yes. And it was a joyful experience getting to know this person. And I have to say, what's been even better

has been over the past couple of years getting to know him a little bit better. Getting to know him a little better, watching him perform. We can call her a friend.

We can call her a friend. I really, really, really love our guest. Smart bitch. Funny bitch. The smartest bitch. Talk about intellectually superior. Talk about intellectually superior. Talk about intellectually superior.

You feel that way would not feel such a good way about George Severus. No, not at all. So, I mean, tune out you feel that way. I truly think our guest is so great. I love. I really, really, really do. And I've been anticipating this. I've been anticipating this a lot.

My first meeting with him, I really built him up myself. Why did you do that? Because I was like, oh, he's so smart. He's so funny. Yeah. And we met and it was lovely. And you realize he's just flesh and blood like the rest of us. But no, but he's not.

He truly transcends the human flesh. Wow. Oh, my God. A front runner for title of app. He transcends the human flesh. I just really, really like him a lot, and you should please welcome into your ears... George Severus!

Hi! Hi, you stupid. Hi, stupid. I did kind of waft in as a cloud, and then the particles kind of came together into human flesh. Yes, absolutely. That's exactly what happened. You were gaseous, and then you were a solid,

which is how that goes. Which is how that goes. I'm one of the only people that can kind of transition between matter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What would that make him? Something that can transition between matter. Alex Mack. Yeah, Alex Mack.

Alex Mack. That's culture. That's culture. Oh, Alex Mack is a blind spot. That's what I came to talk about. Did you hear him? Alex Mack is a blind spot. Wasn't there an Alex Mack a pop star for a second there for a second oh my gosh wait i don't know that but you don't

know alex mack the secret life of alex mack larissa o'lanagh no i feel like alex mack i never chose to watch it but it was always on wow okay it's like bryce dallas howard you never choose her but sometimes she's just and it's also also just such a like it's like early kind of CGI where it do you remember it's just like it's like this glittery goo

that then turns into a person yes you would love it Bowen because it's one of those shows that's like

in the opening credits they like very quickly wrap they very quickly recap what happens

in the pilot that makes her magical goo and then the whole show is just she's a girl who solves crime and she can turn into goo

and she goo I don't even remember that she solved crime I believe she solved crime like in like a very much like going into like PG and E

Erin Brockovich type situations and she was constantly turning into sludge and getting in hard to get places wait I'm sorry she would always get into

PG and E Erin Brockovich situations you know what I'm sorry. She would always get into PG&E Aaron Brockovich situations? You know what I'm saying. Like, basically the whole thing was like, there's nefarious shit going on with the chemical company. Got it. Am I making this up? I honestly have no idea.

Okay, George. This is something that I'm so curious to talk to you about. As someone who, you know, moved around a lot probably I want to say and like was raised in like a non-English speaking household in a way no in a big way in a literal way I'm always like I'm learning to forgive myself

as of late for your blind spots? for my blind spots because I was just I've spent a lot of time with people who were like you haven't seen that? and I'm like whoa whoa whoa stop whoa, whoa. Stop it. So this is something I think about all the time.

And it's because not only did I, I mean, yes, I grew up in a non-English speaking household and I was the oldest, so I didn't have like older siblings to explain things to me. But then the other thing was that we moved to different places at random times. So it's like I spent my early childhood in Greece.

Then I lived in the states from like second grade to eighth grade and then we moved back to Greece so there are so my blind spots don't even make sense because it's like

there can be something that's like from seventh grade when I lived in New Jersey that's like an American pop culture thing that I know really well but then I've like

I've like never read The Great Gatsby because that's like a high school book and I went to a Greek speaking high school and that was never that was not a curriculum

why would you be presented with that so it's or just like movie like I remember the year we moved back to Greece I was so overwhelmed with like

I mean I was at like a second grade reading level in Greek and I had to suddenly be in high school in a Greek speaking school so like it was I had like a tutor and then it in a Greek speaking school. So like it was,

I had like a tutor and then it's, it wasn't even just the language. It was like learning Greek terms for like science and math because everything was in Greek. So basically that year, I literally consumed no culture. And I distinctly remember that was that year Brokeback Mountain came out and I didn't hear about it until like over a year later where it's just like you would just you would just like have like blacked out yeah spots there's like that year which was I guess 2005 or so yeah I literally consumed nothing nothing yeah so I you had to learn how to read you had to learn right I had to learn how to read catching up to do and then I became and then it's like obviously in Greek culture

I had so many blind spots because I had not grown up there so it's like aside from being like people were at the time because it was Bush era extremely obviously

anti-American abroad so like already people were like did not like me but then I also just like wouldn't know basic things fuck

so you had like nothing so you were you were in a way in their eyes you were proving them right like you were yes stupid well not just that but then in my mind I was like because I'm American yes but then in my mind I because I had grown up with immigrant parents here I thought it was like my big homecoming going back to Greece and I was like well here people will like because it's like when I was in America I was like what's lacrosse you know and then yeah then I would like go back and I was like my big homecoming going back to Greece. And I was like, well, here people will like, because it's like when I was in America, I was like, what's lacrosse? And then I would like go back and I was like, oh, this is like where my people are.

And then they were all like, you're American. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, wow. Has there been enough distance now for you to be able to pinpoint what your coping mechanism was for that? I mean, well, it's also hard because,

and this is something I'm only recently like thinking about, it perfectly coincided with me realizing I was gay. Yes. Really. In a way where

it's almost like it's like written by like Jhumpa Lahiri. Yeah, yeah. You were the other other. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's like,

oh, it's all a metaphor for transition. Yes, yes. But literally, it's like I moved across, you know, across the pond

to Greece famously. Like the summer where I was like coming to terms with that. So it's all a complete blur because I feel like I had to have all these mechanisms to just like

kind of exist on it. Which I don't want to over dramatize it. I'm very, I grew up privileged but like. But it's really a shame that you didn't see Brokeback Mountain

that is so do you know what happens in it because I can tell you I can tell you what happens tell us so in Brokeback Mountain

there's like two men first of all they're both men and there's Heath and there's Jake and so Jake is like the one who you know

he let's just say makes the advances on Heath and Heath was very much like the one who, you know, he, let's just say, makes the advances on Heath. And Heath was very much like a second grade reading level sexually. You know what I mean? He was very whipped up in his body. Anyway, they have sex and realize that they're gay

and hijinks ensue. Hijinks. Now, I... Famously kind of a comedy of manners. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And it ends hilarious. I feel like there, but

yes, I appreciate you not wanting to over-dramatize, but I feel like it's rife with drama. It is. It is rife with drama. To realize you're gay in Greece, come on. Yeah, but that had to suck because then you have to realize you're gay

and be closeted around the most beautiful man in the world. I mean, I think they grow into their beauty. Oh, shit. Some shade against the Greeks. I always forget that you are Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek, Greek. Because I'm Greek. I didn't know that. My mom's maiden name is Claritis.

I had no idea. That's how we get this browse. George's jaw is on the floor. No, I could tell. We've never talked about this. We also have similar coloring generally. I know. You mentioned my tan, and I tanned very, very quickly because of the Grecian.

That's so crazy. I had no idea. Yeah, no. My mom's maiden name is Claritis. What was my big, fat Greek wedding like for you? I love my big, fat Greek wedding. It's so good. It's so good.

In fact, I went on, you've done, have you both done Jamie's podcast? The Bechdel? Yes, I've done Bechdel. That was my movie for Bechdel. Oh, really? How does it do on the Bechdel show?

It definitely passes. Oh, it totally, yeah, yeah. You don't have to pick a movie that doesn't pass. You just talk about representation. In fact, I was so defensive of of it that I listening back to the episode, I was kind of being really defensive with Caitlin Durante who kept being like, well, maybe it's not great,

but like ultimately she finds empowerment through a man. And I was like, no, you don't get it. Like, well, she didn't get it. Yeah.

I was like, I was like, you don't, it's like difficult to like find a midway point between like American culture and like a different culture. And like what that movie portrays so beautifully is one way to do that. And I think it's very kind of simplistic to view it through that lens of like, oh, she just gets married at the end. That's so whatever. Because the conflict is the culture.

Yeah. You know. And also it's like she it's a win for the character because she marries the culture. Yeah. You know. And also it's like it's a win for the character because she marries for love for real. Yes, exactly. And she wants to get married.

Right. Well, and all the power all the like influential characters in that movie are women. It's like

the mom Andrea Martin you know obviously I'm literally getting chills. Yeah, I know. Me too. Andrea Martin in that movie is

a revelation. Lainey Kazan too. Lainey. Yeah, no, Lainey Kazan. No, that movie was huge.

We, that was like, I remember there was a time when I could recite it from beginning to end. Yeah. My party trick in middle school

amongst, like, the girls who got it, and like, there were no other gay people, was just to quote the Andrea Martin twin. All my life, I had a love. Exactly.

All my life, I had a love. It was my twin. I would do the accent, and I would just quote it to people at parties, and then girls would laugh. My allies. I believe Nicole Silverberg just posted it. It was her second mention on this podcast

and this episode. Hi, Nicole. Groundbreaking. Hi, Nicole. She was like, this is one of the best comedic monologues we've seen in a long time. A hundred.

I mean, that movie, I was about to say it's underrated, which is false. It's literally the highest grossing romantic comedy or something. Yes. But I do think when people, I would say,

let's say BuzzFeed or something were to do top 10 romantic comedies, there's a good chance they would miss that one. They do miss it. But it is. A romantic comedy, 100%. Just because it doesn't have a Julia Roberts or a Sandra Bullock in the lead role, I think that's why it gets skipped over. And I also think she was a non-traditional choice for the lead of those kinds of movies, which also makes it so powerful. But hello, she got fucking nominated for the fucking Oscar for the screenplay.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like that screenplay is, oh my God. And it's, I'm now like gonna, we're gonna have the same conversation out of Jamie and Caitlin, so we can't, we need to nip in the bud. No, I refuse. I want it to be a duplicate.

But it's like, it was an unknown woman in her 40s writing, producing, and starring in a romantic comedy in the mid-2000s. Yes. And super independent.

Yes. Like, no, truly not a lot of money at all. Do you guys know who the producer is? Playtone? Yeah,

Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks. Rita Wilson. Because he, the story goes that he saw her one-woman show. Yeah. Because she was friends with Rita Wilson? Well, so Rita is Greek. Yes Because he, the story goes that he saw her one woman show. Yeah. Because she was friends with Rita Wilson.

Well, so Rita is Greek. Yes. And. Yassas. Right. That's actually real culture number seven. Rita Wilson is Greek. Yassas.

The fact that Rita Wilson is Greek is like a big. It's huge. It's huge. It's huge for me. I wonder what her maiden name is. Do we know this? Well, she might be like... She might not have...

It might be like half Greek and it's like her mother. Greek and her mother's son. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we might not be able to find it. Yeah, but I do know that... First of all, I saw her recently because...

Oh, my God. Last year at my... So my sister went to college with their son, their youngest son, I believe. And so I saw them at the graduation. They were both very cute. Do we have Intel coming in?

Yes. Okay, so wow. All right, so this is insane. What? Her real name is Margarita Ibramov. Ibramov? Oh, yeah. This is insane.

Did anyone know that Rita Wilson's real name is Margarita? Did you know? What is? Okay. Pop quiz. What is Tina Fey's first name? Oh, Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Stamatina. Elizabeth Stamatina Fey. That's real Greek. And then Zenobia is in there or something? Oh, I don't know. I just know Stamatina is so Greek. This says her mother,

Dorothea, was Greek. Love that. This doesn't say her maiden name. Now, what's with that whitewashing, Rita? I think we got to take her to task. Her mother, Dorothea, was Greek. Love that. This doesn't say her maiden name. Now, what's with that whitewashing, Rita? I think we gotta take her to task. Her father, Hasan Halilov Ibrahimov, was a Pomak Bulgarian Muslim

born in Brest in Greece, close to the border with Bulgaria. Do we? Can we believe this? I love that. I think... Rita Wilson. Rita.

Marguerite? Marguguerite Marguerita Marguerita oh my god thank you HPA there has to be I mean beyond the Mykonos of it all there has to be

some fun little queer moment for you two to go back to Greece and do something I think there's a romcom surrounding for you why can't we go to Mykonos you can't see me

in Georgian Mykonos absolutely we'll all go to Mykonos together but I'm saying there's something I mean I think there's a Mykonos? You can't see me in Georgian Mykonos? Absolutely. We'll all go to Mykonos together. But I'm saying like there's something. I mean, I think there's a Mykonos rom-com that you are destined to write someday. And I think for George, there's like a more sort of... Smart.

Prestige-y. Go ahead and say it. Oh my God. You are acting intellectually superior. No, no, no, no. You actually are. Okay, let's break this down. Let's unpack this.

Let's break this. Let's break this down. I literally had the thought today on the subway. I go, Matt Rogers is one of the smartest people on this planet. Shut up. His responses to things as they happen, where does he have his mind? I don't understand how smart he is.

This is about George Tudoris and his incredibly smart screenplay he's going to write about. And George is going to write something prestige but dark, but ultimately has a tragic ending. How do you feel about being described as artistically prestige but dark a tragic ending yeah um are you willing to respond to that yeah i mean i really am why i want to know why you think it would have a tragic ending i take that back i'm saying not trash but i'm saying it's like end of fleabag season two oh yeah I love that

there's a moment of like there's a moment of like like just complete closure for this character yeah that would be based on you but you will have been

your scar tissue will be very fresh okay so I think that's the highest compliment no no it really is just to say you're even capable of a Fleab bag is huge.

No, the only reason is... What were your thoughts on flea bags season two? I love flea bags. But the only thing I was going to say is that, so it's like, as a consumer of media, I love things like exactly what you're describing, and I feel like I, because I'm so joke-oriented, when I sit down and write something, I can only write a joke. I can only write jokes.

And actually like I had written something at some point and like one of the criticisms was that it feels like it's written by a standup comedian. Wow. It's just like, all I do is like dialogue, like a series of dialogues that have, that are just like joke, joke. And I really, and I feel like it, it stems from like an insecurity of like being, I'm sorry. Go, go.

Like vulnerable on the page. Yes. Do you know what I mean? So it's like, I do think that's a compliment because that means that maybe someday I will be able to attempt something like that. Oh no. I have confidence in Matt.

I think you agree with me. I think George has a very sort of, uh, a Tori, a Taurus future. Oh my God. I have confidence in Matt. I think you agree with me. I think George has a very sort of autory, auteurish future ahead of him. I would say auteurish. Auteurish. You know,

I am identifying with this because a criticism I used to get a lot was all the characters sound the same. And I think that means that you're writing in a strong voice. I agree. So, you know, you've seen successful writers that have that.

I mean, especially earlier in her career, in Diablo Cody, all her characters sounded the same. Yeah. Like she was just like, everyone sounded like Juno in that movie, except maybe Jennifer Garner. Woody Allen. Yeah, right. I mean, there's certain writers that like, I mean, well. I threw that out.

It was like a gross, like a chilly, like, ooh, but no. Yeah. He meant, he was trying to give us chills. Yeah. Did he give you chills? No. When he said Woody Allen, he didn't strike fear in you? No, I felt nothing. I felt nothing. You know

what I saw two seconds of the other day, which looked like hot garbage? What? Wonder Wheel. Oh, that looked so bad. The movie with Kate Winslet and, sorry, but Justin Timberlake. Yep. Like, there was a scene between them, like, they've just fucked, I guess, and there's a scene with her getting dressed and he's laying in the bed. Have you seen

this? No, but I just, like, when you watch the trailer, it's one of those, and I hate when this happens, when you feel like an actor that you respect. In this case, obviously I'm referring to Justin Timberlake. No, Kate Winslet. It just like is embarrassing themselves. Yeah, right. And I hate that, and I feel bad saying that,

and this is controversial, but that's kind of how I felt about like Mamma Mia 1 with Meryl Streep. Oh, I guess a little. Just like her jumping on the bed and I was just like, ugh. See, now I don't have that problem with Mamma Mia because it's like, for me it's like,

how else would you do this? Of course. And like I don't feel mad at Meryl for saying yes to that movie. I feel A, mad at Kate Winslet for saying yes to it. And B, I watch it and I'm like, for you to say yes to this and this also be this bad like this scene with kate winslet and sorry justin timberlake i will say sorry before i say

his name for the rest of the podcast it's just like these are two people who aren't speaking to each other and it's like it just goes to show like wow if we didn't cancel woody allen for being like disgusting then we should definitely cancel him for being like completely rote and just like it's just so repetitive it's also I mean again putting all the gross stuff aside just as a filmography he has always been inconsistent like

it has always been like one good movie one bad movie one good movie so prolific yeah I mean there are movies there is a movie that he did with like Jason Biggs and Christina Ricci and it is terrible you either hear about them

because they fucking kill at the awards at the end of the year like Blue Jasmine or something he either like fucking nails it or it's terrible

and you never hear about it or like Scoop do you remember Scoop no oh I remember Scoop or no Scarlett Johansson was it

not Hugh Jackman who am I thinking of I don't remember. Whatever, it doesn't matter. But yeah, another just complete, I remember watching it and forgetting it as it was happening. Yeah.

This is like right before he got canceled for good, but Minna. Well, you say that, but he's not, he's working on a movie. I mean, this is a whole other thing, which is just like, they always say like, you know, don't get mad at the

actresses like they're just trying to work it's like i have a huge problem with that because kate winslet is not just trying to work in quotes she's an academy award-winning actress with many options and choices and i do feel upset that she said yes to that movie and i do think that she should answer for that i think sorry i think that these people exist in a different media environment than you. Oh yeah. You don't think you don't think that she weighed on her mind

like it might be problematic if I do this maybe I shouldn't. Or that her team you know they may have but I again

like I think we constantly underestimate how people are not part of like mainstream conversations that we think are like everywhere.

Everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Once you're up there, the focal point is... And also the relativity of the ethical quandaries. It's the equivalent of me deciding whether or not I want to use a plastic straw or a paper straw. It's like, sometimes I'll make the right decision, sometimes I'll make the wrong one. And it's all okay. It's like, for her, it's like,

maybe she made some decisions she was proud of and some that she was less proud of, but she's not going to like derail her whole, I don't know. Yeah. I'm not saying I don't agree with you. I think like if everyone was on the same page, then I think you're absolutely right.

But I mean, it's like I've been thinking about this with Scarlett Johansson stuff too. I'm like, what kind of things must she read? Right. Yeah. She must be. Or who isn't she talking to

she's out of touch to say that I mean no matter what to what degree is she for her to be able to say that in the first place or to feel like she should I wonder if she even knows something that she's saying will be controversial or if she thinks she's speaking some big truth

odd time for her to do that too right before the announcement that like black widow was happening i know like it's so like that could have been such i mean and i don't know i don't know really where everyone's at with scarlett johansson i've always been a huge fan of hers and when she messes up like this it's really frustrating because i think she's so good and i just want to see her like get there like in terms of this these conversations but with black with the black widow of it all it's like i wonder if that would have been a more prominent part of that big marvel announcement had she not just had this this whole thing go down because it

feels like ever like that big marvel announcement which was like crazy yeah all that stuff that was announced i feel like you know rightfully so like the conversations that i'm seeing online in my bubble anyway is like about blade and about like you know um the eternals which is and yes and all that how diverse the roster is and like you know tessa thompson is going to have a queer love interest in thor and natalie portman's going to be female that's the only thing i know is that natalie portman's gonna be female yeah natalie is gonna be fucking female thor which i don't really know how that makes sense in the canon uh it's good it's multiverse stuff so they're opening up the multiverse right where like like there's a different world in which she is thor so jane foster her character from

the movies or i'm that i'm well that is literally true okay yeah so it has been announced that jane foster becomes thor a great fun and it's also like we're trying to rationalize the marvel movies really true. Okay. So it has been announced that Jane Foster becomes Thor. Great. Fun. It's also like we're trying to rationalize the Marvel movies which I have to say after having seen all of them yes I get that

Endgame was good and I get that some of the movies are good. I can't understand a thing that is happening. I don't care at all.

Thank you. And can you believe there's going to be a whole new arsenal? Are you a Marvel person? I cried during it because I was stoned out of my mind

and I was with Joel and like you were just very emotional I've learned to like be accepting of like I think it's so boring to be one of these people

that's like adults watching comics yeah no but then it's like part of me is thinking that but then also I'm just like

it's all so boring anything you can say about them if you like them or if you don't like them, I just wish we could stop it. I totally agree. And also their military propaganda. This is all true.

It really is all true. The whole thing of sort of like, what's it? Like a glorifying nest or whatever it's called. The whole recruitment process of it all. It's just a little goofy. I saw Wonder Woman on a plane and I was like, this is the most abhorrent thing I've ever seen. No offense to Patty Jenkins.

I think Patty Jenkins is wonderful, but she didn't write the movie. She directed the movie. Also Gal Gadot, not a good actress. How could she be good? The concept of superheroes is like there is some like propaganda. There is some proselytizing thing about like joining the military. Like literally like Captain America.

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Um, did you see Spider-Man Far From Home? You don't care. All right. I would. I've heard it's good. No, I fell asleep in numerous times. Wow. Did you see that interview with Kirsten Dunst

where she was asked about the new Spider-Man movies? And she was like, well, we did it best, so I don't know why they keep doing it. I mean, she is 100% right, and I fucking love her. I love her. I think we've discussed this. Yes, I think we have. And I'm not the first think we've discussed this. Yes, I think we have. And I'm not the first gay man to say this. You will not be the last.

The lack of respect. Completely. Oh, complete lack. That Kirsten Dunst gets, not only as an actress, but as a cultural figure and someone who is knowledgeable about film and knowledgeable about art and knowledgeable about film history. Yes. And talk about about I mean making choices

about what projects to participate in Kirsten Dunst I mean the things she chooses all could be taught in like film schools and even the

she's like okay I'm gonna do Eternal Sunshine I have a small role but that is gonna be a movie that people talk about for decades she should have been

nominated for an Oscar for that that's the definition of a great support performance and that character the movie doesn't work without that character.

Not at all. Yeah I mean she's in that new show which looks very good which I know you on Becoming a God in Central Florida and it was like

it was introducing the cast and it was like Emmy and Golden Globe nominee Kirsten Dunst and I was like are you fucking kidding me? She's never been up there saying thank you.

Like are you kidding me? It's crazy because I was literally just explaining so that we do this there's this thing called You're Coven which is like She's never been up there saying thank you. Like, are you kidding me? It's crazy because I was literally just explaining. So we do this, there's this thing called your coven, which is like the five actresses who like you could. She's in mine. She's in my coven for sure.

And so I say all throughout my life, literally from the beginning, she has been in like the defining movies of, like I'm telling you, like you can start from the beginning. I wasn't like cognizant of it during like interview with the vampire, but that's an astounding, that's a stunning performance. And then, you know,

from Jumanji even to like, bring it on, bitch. Drop dead gorgeous to, um, incredible eternal sunshine to even the more adult stuff that she's done recently. Like melancholia Melancholia

and Bachelorette Bachelorette is genius and the movie with Nicole Kidman oh I love the oh yeah

Sofia Coppola yes what the fuck is it called oh wait oh god damn it this is so embarrassing wait not Marie Antoinette nothing's really

Marie Antoinette Marie Antoinette too but like wait fuck what the hell i saw it in theaters um the big guy oh thank

you hpa yes hpa oh my god yes the big god we saw movie theaters again another performance that like i thought should have been in the conversation she was

the best one in the movie absolutely and the most difficult part you know i forgot about i mean as a movie it's like fine but her i think she transcends the script.

Like her, I think that's, I agree that it was one of the best performances that year. Also, I loved her in Hidden Figures.

Absolutely. Because she plays the part. Yes. She commits. You know what's interesting? And we were talking about Natalie Portman. I feel like they've had

very similar trajectories, except they like, they like diverged in a wood. Explain this. Like child actors in very prestige films who sort of... And early nerd culture stuff. Early nerd culture, yes. Like Spider-Man and Star Wars.

Didn't even mention Spider-Man, obviously huge. And then like, but Natalie wasn't really into the rom-coms until later on maybe. She'll tangentially... She was getting her checks. Revisit it every now and then. But I feel like Kirsten was getting her checks revisited every now and then but like but I feel like

Kirsten stuck to her art house guns a little bit more and a little bit longer and yeah she doesn't get the respect she deserves well I mean and then also

like we haven't even mentioned her incredible performance in Fargo Fargo which I haven't seen so I actually haven't seen Fargo but I heard she was amazing so she's

unbelievable in that and I think it just got lost in the fact that there's just so much gold happening with actresses on television right now. I mean, hello. I think there's enough of a groundswell happening. There's no comeback narrative because she hasn't been gone.

Right. But I think there's a moment that's imminent with her in the next few years. I think it's cool that she has this show. I wonder if you never know I wonder if it'll be like her

moment because you never know because the field is so crowded it's like Christina Applegate gave such an amazing performance in Dead to Me I literally watched

three episodes of it today I cannot believe how good she is in the show I haven't seen it because a guy I used to date loves it

and I'm like no yeah yeah that guy I used to date loves it and I'm like no yeah yeah that's fair you have to watch it wait I I wanted to go back Bowen you need to watch Bachelorette

it's so good and it's like you know it's Leslie Hedlund who did Russian Doll and and like she's a playwright by training

or not by Leslie yeah like she was a playwright for many years and it's very much I think it's based on one of her plays and it's very much written like think it's based on one of her plays and it's very much written like a play.

Right, right. Which is like, I always, a lot of people don't like that. I love that. people don't like,

you know, doubt or something, you know, like movies like that. I kind of enjoy it. I love them. Yeah, like,

Three Billboards you liked? Oh, um, because I feel like that's like, written as a play. Which I know is controversial. Never mind,

don't answer that question. That's a shitty question. No, no, that's not, I would say I didn't I didn't hate it I didn't not like it

because of the play thing I didn't like it for other reasons right yeah yeah yeah that came out so loaded and I didn't mean

for it to be loaded no no no but you're right that that is the quintessential example you know what else is a really good example of this?

Closer yes of course things that were literally plays yeah I know but some of them translate best they don't make much of an effort to make them cinematic closer. Yes! Of course. Things that were literally plays. Yeah. I know.

But some of them translate best. They don't make much of an effort to make them cinematic. Sure, sure. But Bachelorette succeeds on sticking to its play.

Yeah, I think so. Also, Bachelorette includes James Marsden who is also in Dead to Me who is truly fine wine. Also, Adam Scott.

Adam Scott! Is in Dead to Me? No, he's not in Dead to Me. He's in Bachelorette. Oh, Adam Scott. Adam Scott. Is in That's Me? No, in That's Me. He's in Bachelorette. Oh, great. Adam Scott, fucking. So have you watched any of Big Little Lies this season? Okay, so I've watched all of it except I want to say two episodes.

And the reason is because basically I'm not a reality TV person. I started Vanderpump Rules. I started Vanderpump Rules. And when I tell you I have, I physically am unable to press play on anything else in a way where I'm like,

I will sit on my couch and be like, I want to watch Big Little Lies so I can catch up. Yes, but. And I'm not able to watch anything other than that

and I've watched three seasons in two weeks. Oh my God. You have been tweeting about Vanderpump Rules. Yeah. I was like, this is embarrassing.

I like deleted some of it. I mean, it's a part of the culture. But I'm also so late to it. I just started it recently. You did? I did, and I really enjoy it. Really? Oh, my God.

It's the one thing on Bravo I can't get into, and I haven't tried it at all. But the thing is, I used to say this about Housewives. I was never getting into that, and now I'm so into it. Yeah. It's such a troll-y show really? it trolls even harder

than Housewives yes and I watched a few episodes yesterday and I smoked a bowl and I was like this is the best thing it really is

I'm still only on season one but even from season one I feel like once you get into I feel like once you get past like maybe the first episode and just like know the characters yes I was on board you're in um that the first episode and just like know the characters I was on board.

That's beautiful. I want to talk about this more. Sudi sent me a man a text yesterday saying you guys have to start getting into Love Island. And I watched the first the first four episodes of season five.

The current season in the UK and it's truly phenomenal and I love it. So they have real sex on it? I haven't seen any of the sex yet but yeah I mean they all sleep in the same room. I did not know that.

And so every round is a different iteration of the couples. Sure. So, and then, you know, it's the last couple

to make it to the end wins, like 50,000 pounds or something. But the interactions are so interesting to watch, and you end up getting lost in these narratives that are unfolding, and you're like getting lost in these narratives that like are unfolding and you're like

no you can't go with that person you're supposed to be with them like it really is this is literally what reality television does it is expertly crafted

nonsense that makes you care literally I watched one episode of the new season of The Bachelor the other night with my sister

and now I'm invested yes yes yes these people are good at what they do but it truly transcends all like transcends all, like, transcends, to me at least, in my sort of narrow-minded view of the world

is, like, it transcends, like, race and class and everything. Like, it truly, it's like... Well, that was what the real world was, remember? Yes. It was, like, people talking about race and class and sexuality and, like, blah, blah. It's, like... And it kind of works. It kind of works. But it's also, like it kind of works it kind of works but it's also like what's it's

also like a terrible ill society that's sort of gotten us into this horrible yeah it works until the people in charge realize they can make more money by just um heightening it to be trash and that is why i think the bachelor every season gets more and more trash and what they're willing to condemn is less and less like for all intents and purposes Bachelor in Paradise should be fully cancelled after there was a sexual harassment situation but they've realized that it gets a conversation going

and so they just want to make the money but this is what I like about Vanderpump is that it starts out trash but not just that I don't feel bad for anyone because and I was like explaining this to someone recently, like a psychopath. It's like,

I feel like with most reality shows, either you are basically like gawking at poor people or gawking at rich people. And at, in Vanderpump, it's like, these are people that are like in their twenties and thirties that are struggling actors in Los Angeles who do want to be on TV are hot, able-bodied, privileged in the general sense

that they are straightforwardly middle class. And you're just like, I feel okay being invested in their cheating scandals and stuff. And I don't feel like I'm like you know exploiting someone who like shouldn't be on TV yeah you're very right and it actually

occasionally will happen when a character comes in and I do feel bad for them or they're like clearly unstable and then I'll really not like that because it takes me

out of it but that I think that because I can't watch The Bachelor I mean I'm sure I could get into it I'm not above it

but like that is for me why I kind of stopped watching reality TV for literally like seven years and then this was like the first thing that there was a point with real after reality tv was born it was like this we talked about joe millionaire the other day yeah yeah like there was like joe millionaire there was survivor there was american idol and then

you saw all those things kind of succeed and the bachelor was a part of that too and then all of those things i think got pushed to limits like like when american idol was mean it was truly like dangerously mean yeah like two people with like william hung who had something going on developmentally like what you could say also like the way the way they would do the eliminations was purely just cruel and it was just like i think reality TV in that, in that moment where you stopped watching it, it got pushed so far. Have we cycled back now?

It then got pulled back. And now I think it is getting to the point where like, we're almost there again, where it's like, guys, guys, it's rule of culture. Number 11 guys.

Wait, I have a point that is very slippery and might be wrong. Here we go, bitch. I feel like good reality TV is gay camp and bad reality TV is straight camp. Absolutely. And I think straight camp embraces cruelty in a way that gay camp does not. Okay, here's a great example. That's a great point.

And we brought this example up before IOW's episode. We talked about Omarosa at length. this is the day that she got fired yeah um celebrity apprentice her her and pierce morgan screaming in the back of a minivan yes um like pierce morgan saying some racist shit at her and omarosa being like well you're you're in the closet and you're and you're gay and you haven't come out yet to your family and your wife hates you. And like, that is straight camp. And Trump has the whole Paul over that show too.

It's Trump that gave birth to Trump. Let's just say that. So it's just like, you look at that and you're like, that's dark and bad and there's nothing good that can come of this. Whereas Vanderpump Rules,

it's like, oh, Stassi's upset at Jax for cheating. And this is pure season one stuff and I'm so behind. Stassi's mad at Jax for getting a porn star pregnant in Vegas.

Like, that's fun. I don't know. It's either fun or it's fucking dangerous. And I mean, Trump is now dangerous. I don't think so, honey. Later actually has to do with politics. But the thing is, like, it's, we see

like what the worst of this has literally given birth to and it's not funny. Or fun. And here's the thing. Or fun. People who are trying to equate Marianne Williamson with Trump, it's like, no, Marianne Williamson is gay camp, Trump is straight camp. That is absolutely true. That's actually the lookalike number 22.

Marianne Williamson is gay camp, Donald Trump is straight camp. George is regretting this. No, no, no, I'm not regretting it at all. Sorry, I'm like replaying the moment earlier where I was like, the real moment earlier where you I was like the real world like talked about race and class and it really worked and I just want to

take that back because this is what I'm saying though something and you're like no I get it no no but George it did that's the thing is like they created something that was good for the world and then when they realized it was more positive for them financially to push it to be let's put racists in here with people of color.

They did that. Yeah. So we can't have nice things. Right. Right. Right. But that, that literally,

that show was good for the world. I mean, Pedro, I mean the whole HIV, like, like narrative. That's what I was kind of thinking when I, yeah,

exactly. So I think the point does stand, which is like these things, it's like, it's like it gets to an excess where you're like, guys, I just want to say for now in 2019, um,

love Island is very much day camp, even though it's, they've only had hetero couples, but it's gay camp. Oh, so in case of my sister watches, um, or watches the whole bachelor thing,

she's bachelor nation. And she says that bachelor and she goes to me, bachelor in paradise is having their first same sex couple. I said, let me guess. It's two women. She said, yeah. And she says that Bachelor in Paradise, she goes to me, Bachelor in Paradise is having their first same-sex couple. I said, let me guess, it's two women? She said, mm-hmm. I said, let me guess, it was literally, they're both not contestants, one of them's a contestant

and they brought someone from off the show? She's like, yeah. So basically I was like, so they co-opted like a real thing in the world and brought it in just so they could say they had a same-sex couple. And they don't dare dip their toe into anything male-male, no.

sodomy-related at all. No, no, no. Oh, really? Something being in a butt. Oh, because I feel like real world had so many gay men. Right, but it's like Bachelor. Well, real world, yes, because real world is still niche.

I thought you meant they being reality and TV in general. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, well, yeah, The Bachelor. I mean, it's awful yeah well the thing is like like people were like we need the gay bachelor it's like there will absolutely 100 be a lesbian bachelorette before there's a gay bachelor because we talked about this at length on our scott thompson episode but there is such a fear and disgust when it comes to anal sex but sex between men it's like to be honest with you i'm shocked we're seeing a mainstream presidential candidate that is gay before we're seeing a lesbian presidential candidate because i like

you've seen even in media like you've seen like like so many presidents that are women have like the powerful energy and like cherry jones played the president on 24 and i feel like these are kind of things that are accepted like the kind of energy that a president has. Like if you had an effeminate male president, you could never see that. Well, it's because femininity is perceived weakness. Yeah, right. And that's the whole fucking problematic thing about it. And also like the straight men that like run the world

can see through the male gaze if they're seeing, like when there's lesbians on television they're like well I get her because she likes women like me because women are hot and actually I'm deciding

this is hot meanwhile where it's like two men they're like gross gross dude you ever get into Housewives? you never got into Housewives? I got

I watched the first maybe two or three seasons of Beverly Hills which is why I had some context for Lisa the Underpump. Which also got dark. Yeah.

Right. So that's the thing. And that's why I stopped watching because I just like didn't like what it was doing to my psyche. Right. Right. But I will say when I think of, and I've missed so much at this point that I just like can't jump back in. But when I think of like the episode with the dinner party where there was like that woman who's a medium with the vape.

Like that to me is one of the best episodes of television of all time. Yeah, I mean it's delivered some of the best episodes of television ever. And that is, that episode is Vanderpump-esque

because it's just like the stakes are just high enough. Yes, yes. Anyway. I was talking to, I think I was talking to Ira, Madison, Ray, Sonny, and Sam Greisman about this.

We're on a little group chat called Bravo's because we all watch Bravo and they were saying that Beverly Hills used to be about the cracks in the china. It was really about,

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was really about what we're hiding underneath the surface and what happens when those things really break. Those are the people that think the height of it was actually that those really dark times and then they were saying i think it was ray that said lisa rina broke real housewives of beverly

hills because she came in with her like loud energy and confrontational style and it was no longer about like the veneer i don't agree with this i I think Rinna is canon and I'm Rinna. But I think that there was a moment where, and maybe it was Rinna coming on, that made Beverly Hills less about what we hide and more about how we dish it out. Is it fair to say that New York is

about joy in the face of darkness? Because that's why I love New York. Do you watch The Lost Sins of New York? Nope, that's an interesting... Do you watch The Houses of New York? Nope. It's something that you need to do. I know. No, that's what Tyler Coates was saying

that he was like, you have to just watch all the reunions to catch up and then you can be like... That's actually a really good way to... That's a really smart way to catch up on Housewives. Yep, he's a genius. Shout out to Tyler Coates. Shout out to Tyler.

Shout out... I almost said Tyler Coates. Shout out to Tyler Coates. Shout out to Tyler Coates. Shout out to Tyler Coates. A genius. There's been some really good reunion happenings lately. I'm caught up on the reunions, by the way.

Were you like a person that watched dramatic television or were you a reality TV kid and then had to stop? That's a good question. Let me think. Then again, it's your blind spots. Yeah,

like in high school, you mean? Yeah. I mean, it is the blind spots because we didn't get the American reality shows and I'm trying to think of,

like I would say in college, I would occasionally watch like Kardashians. Was that college that it's from? They've been around for fucking ever. It's crazy. I've definitely like when people, do you remember that

moment where everyone was like the Kardashians are actually smart. I know. I know. I know. I know. People were just like Kim Kardashian is a genius. During that time when I was like maybe there's something to this like I would like watch Kardashians and

and then oh you know what okay so the one channel we would get in Greece was E yes I love that E is the one channel

they got in Greece as in the one channel that had like I like thinking about that yeah so and which I think that's what Kardashians

are on right yeah so like so then I also would watch like things like Denise Richards it's I also would watch things like Denise Richards, It's Complicated.

Or things like that that were like, because that is the only because we didn't get Bravo or what are the, like VH1 or any of the other channels. So it was the only reality shows I watched other than the Greek ones, which also existed, were the E ones.

Did you ever watch Anna Nicole? No. Anna Nicole? No. Anna Nicole was a reality show that you'll never see again on television because of how literal. That is an example of it getting pushed too far. And I do remember that and that was actually I was still living in the States when that was on.

I remember. We must have been young watching. Yeah she was like one of the earliest kind of pop culture figures I remember just like kind of being obsessed with. She was iconic. Yeah. She was iconic, but now we know it's because it was for all the wrong reasons. I know, and the way people treat it.

I mean, just like, ugh, anyway. Yeah. I, oh my God my god wait never mind sorry what are you looking at nothing because Ray Sani brought up

something about but it was but now I'm remembering that that franchise was not on E! and it was on VH1 what are you talking about the flavor of love universe

did you ever watch flavor of love no I'm familiar with it and like I feel like I've watched things those people have been on or something.

Or like they also, I remember like the roast of Flava Flav. Yes, yes, yes. And like. Oh my God, he got a roast. This is all, yeah, this is all so. This is actually what I wanted to talk about was, I think we have to establish like a code of conduct when it comes to someone being like,

to someone having a blind spot because I've had just so many reactions to things that are like you haven't seen what and like there needs to be like that needs to kick off

like a protocol with like okay so when someone hasn't seen something that you are so like emphatically in love with or like that is so meaningful to you like what do you say

you go okay well you should watch it and you should and I'm going to convince you to watch it. What do you do? I don't know. I'm not going to change saying, oh my god, you need to watch this. If it's a protocol thing and something that I need to change about my behavior.

I'm not saying that's inherently a bad thing to do, but what do we do beyond that? I think we take them to a home with a television. We sit down, hold their hands. What I would do with George is I would take him to my home. I would. We sit down, hold their hands. Well, what I would do with George is I would take him to my home. I would say, you wait right here.

I would go get out the Sauvignon Blanc. I would pour us both a glass, and I'd say, you can sit wherever you want, but I'm going to sit over here on my bed. And then I would sit on my bed, and he, I don't know, I think it would take him a while to get in the bed. This is getting very hot.

Oh, this is horny. Okay, wait. This actually reminds me of a time where I did have someone come over to my apartment and then I thought we were going to hook up. We ended up watching TV and I sat in the bed and they sat on a seat. Oh no, you didn't even sit next to each other? No, and it was just like

it ended up being a nice fun time watching television, which is fine. Which is fine. Which is fine. That's okay. That's okay. What's your boy situation right now? Wait, it's crazy that you asked me that

because yesterday, which was famously my birthday. Literally happy birthday. Thank you. I also, because of that, I'm in a very self-reflective mood. I was like, it's very good. What age did you turn? 28.

Wow, you are young now. Whoa. Aren't you guys literally my age? I'm 17. 28. I'm 29. Okay, wow. But I can't believe you were 27.

I didn't know you were younger than me. That's cool. That's fucking... That's cool. I don't meet a lot of people that are younger than me. Okay. What's the self-reflection? How are you reflecting?

Wait, no. So funny that we mentioned boys boys I have like no no the only the thing I was gonna say is that my ex was at my birthday

wearing the exact shirt Bowen is currently wearing fuck which I love which is what the Robin shirt which is the Robin honey tour shirt in the black or the white

it was the white I bought it in the white so what is that I almost bought it in the white so wait okay I this is not interesting but I

was recently in London and I saw her in London. Yes. And so it was incredible and it was because, so I think all the dates she did in New York were at like Barclays.

No, no, no, no, no. It was at some ballroom. It was like at some smaller venue than Barclays. I thought it was Barclays. I thought she did MSG a while ago and then came back to do Barclays.

I mean, we literally just saw her at Barclays. Right, but before these shows that we saw it was MSG yes so the place so where I went to

in London was a GA only venue so it was perfect because I literally paid much less than anyone paid you know to see her at Barclays

and I was like 10th like you know just like it was like people standing I was like 10th and I was like right in the middle

and it was like just like probably one of the best concert going experiences of my life and it you know just like it was like people standing I was like 10th and I was like right in the middle and it was like a just like probably one of the best concert going experiences of my life and it was also just like cool to see her in like a different country

like it felt like yeah that is cool there's something really sexy about it and it was my best friend lives in London so it was like perfect like I was visiting her

anyway but you were international you were international she's American she just married a British guy like she's American. She just married a British guy. She's a college friend. She married a British guy. Oh my God.

He has a college friend who was American. Who married a British man. And he was raised in Greece. I'm international. Hello. Do you consider yourself a traveler? Honestly, no. Because in this weird counterintuitive way i feel like

i actually travel less than if i didn't have like non-american parents because the traveling i do is to visit my family i know and then you're with family and you can't really yeah your options are limited yeah like i have a weird i was thinking about this today like i have such a weird guilt about all of us going to Fire Island this year because I don't actually take a lot of vacations that are not,

that I can't somehow combine with visiting family. Because everyone, right now, so I have two younger sisters who I'm very close to. One of them lives in California. One of them lives in Munich,

in Germany. And my parents are in Luxembourg because they left Greece like a while ago. Oh my God. And so that's what everything is planned around. My life is so difficult.

Yeah, it's horny, though. Wait, so how are you feeling emotionally? Wait, cut that out. What? No, we can't. I already came. I made myself come with my own mood. Wait, let's all do one.

Wait, readers, tell me what you think about this. Readers? Oh, fuck. Here's mine, here's mine. I don't like that. It was like you smelled a beautiful pie I'm not participating in this George you're a prude

don't you want to have sex if you want to have sex you have to do sex noises you have to send out the pheromones America as we've discussed is not ready for anal we have to get them ready. That's our whole purpose.

So I'm not going to go on a public forum and make... You just talked about your ex. Yeah, we never had sex. To my ex! Oh, speaking of international fish, little mix. Wait, hold on. I just want to really quickly put out there what Ray Sani said. Go ahead, go ahead.

This is a scholarly take on reality TV. I love Ray, and she knows she has the scholarly takes. Here we go. She says, We would probably still be living in the flavor of love universe and wouldn't have love and hip hop if the psycho who made final three

on Megan Wants a Millionaire didn't kill his girlfriend and himself. That's insane. Yeah. We might not have had Cardi B if it weren't for that man who murdered his girlfriend

and killed himself. Interesting. Ray, famously someone who told me she was coming to my birthday party and did not show up. Oh, she's in New York. Oh my God.

Oh my God. You guys. The only, Matt, of everyone that's been mentioned today, is the only person who sent me a very nice message saying, I'm sorry, I can't make it. But I did also said, I said, we're going to celebrate tomorrow when I see you. Yes, we are.

I was saving my load for- Don't even fucking go there. We're going gonna spend days together in a house we are that's true he's gonna come all over you in the house

he was saving all over you in the house we're gonna be sitting on a wooden dock just watching the sunset

are you excited about fire island are you excited about fire island okay wanna know something I've never been before it's gonna be so

you're gonna have a lot of fun I think you're gonna like it it's really what you make of it I think we're going with good

people our group that's what I was I think you're gonna like it it's really what you make of it I think we're we're going with good people our group that's what I was I'm like I feel like very safe and comfortable with everyone in our house yeah

it's fun to go down to what is it called high T or low T low T and I also feel like I don't feel since I you guys have been so many times

and I've never been I don't feel like embarrassed or insecure about not knowing like I feel like embarrassed or insecure about not knowing. Like I feel like with all of you, I can be like,

tell me what should I do today? Like, what are we doing today? And just like follow along. I'm going to be posted up by the pool, laying in the sun, not speaking. Love that.

My, my, my already said my, my favorite part of the trip is sunsets, sunsets on the, on the dock and just dangling your legs over the water with your friends and taking a picture in golden hour

wait okay I hope this is funny but my I hope this is funny when I was and I can't believe I keep bringing him up

but when I was dating my ex his dad had this thing with sunsets where he was so intense about everyone's eyes being at the sun right at the moment

when it like goes to the point where it became like a traumatic it's like then everyone in his family actually like associated sunsets with stress because they would think of his dad just being like don't take your eyes off the sunset don't take your eyes off the sunset like that's too bad that's bad that's that's that's literally straight camp you have to stare at the sunset. No, don't tell me. He's a very sweet man.

But no, I just found that very funny. I don't think he sounds sweet at all. He's canceled. And you have, the way you have portrayed him on this podcast

is not so sweet. Not so sweet. And I don't think I like you talking about this ex. Yeah. I will stop. I am, I need to stop.

I talk about my ex all the time. Not only did I talk about him twice in this podcast, I talked about him before we started recording with your producer. Oh, really? When I will stop. I need to stop. I talk about my ex all the time. Not only did I talk about him twice in this podcast, I talked about him before we started recording with your producer. Oh, really? When I walked in.

I just looked down at my phone and I had a text from my ex. Love that. So this is the point in the show, George, an hour in. An hour in, yeah. Where we ask the question, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? And we've discussed a lot of your formative culture, or lack thereof,

but I'm curious to hear what you've what you think looking back on yourself was this culture that made you say maybe culture wait okay i have a really good answer for this oh my god no one's ever really said led with that because i was first of all i was i'm so i was so unprepared for this i was like walking here and i was like wait fuck i have to do an I don't think so hangout. But then it just like came to me. So I'll just say what it is. I was obsessed

with the Olympics growing up. Wow. Greek. Right. And it wasn't even. Right. Yes. So this is what.

So it wasn't as a surprise to no one. It's not the sporting events that really got me, but it's like the pageantry of it all. Yes. Opening ceremony.

And the kind of like. Anyway, so my thing is that in 2004, they were in Athens. And it was the first time they were back in Greece since the first modern Olympics. And I went to the opening ceremony. Wow. And so that to me,

and okay, so I don't know if you've seen, literally, I'm not kidding. I still occasionally watch it on YouTube the Athens opening ceremony describe it so it is basically a very

like what I love about it is that it is obviously pure spectacle I mean it is an opening ceremony of the Olympics but it is the most kind of and I hate to use the word tasteful because it kind of has like weird cultural connotations but but it is the most kind of, and I hate to use the word tasteful because it kind of has like weird cultural connotations, but it's like the most minimalist version of a spectacle in a way that's like both meant for Greek people watching and meant to kind of export certain cultural elements outward into the world.

Which is what it should be. Which is what it should be. Which is what it should be. And basically, I mean, it starts with all this kind of gorgeous imagery. Like you went into the stadium and the bottom was filled with water kind of. And so it starts with this giant paper, like origami is not the right word, but like a folded paper sailboat. I remember this. Right.

So it's like this giant paper sailboat, which is a very Greek thing. It's like a thing that like Greek grandfathers would like make out of a napkin or something and give it to like, and there's like a- Yeah, but Japanese people invented folding. So, um, go. A little culture.

Wait, I was, the other day I was thinking about when we were at somewhere, oh, it was at Max's party, and at some point I was just like, I want a tattoo of an origami sailboat. And then everyone was like, oh.

I don't remember that. Oh, I do remember you saying that. Anyway. I would love that for you. Thank you. So, anyway,

so it starts with that and what I meant was that kind of, so it's that boat and then there's like a little Greek kid waving a Greek flag. Then there's like

this other thing where like these, this giant statue appears out of nowhere and then it breaks into like seven pieces and then it breaks into a like seven pieces and then inside it is a statue of like the next iteration of greek statues so it starts with like a minimalist kind of like face then it's like the like a body with like the limbs

missing kind of like middle period or whatever right and then it's like something more complex so it's like the history of like greek sculpture and so then the main event is that there was basically almost like a parade with floats kind of of greek art starting with like the earliest greek art all the way to like present day yes and it you know there were there were like um you know kind of shirtless men painted like gray that had like, that looked like, you know, Greek statues or whatever. Then there was like, it famously, the first person to appear was this woman who was kind of like a goddess of fertility type. And she had like her boobs out, but they were painted like, like completely white with like black nipples. So it looked very kind of surreal.

And, and it was just, I mean, think of the simplest thing is just literally like a, a collection, like a parade of floats. Yeah. So it's so simple, but it just says,

so it's, it tells like the entire history of like the Greek civilization. And so the other thing is that I realized much later that it is directed by this greek choreographer who is queer and so and it kind of like clicked and i was like all of this is so queer like it is the most queer possible first of all greek culture itself is so queer gay in a way that's like so obvious and there's such a sense of denial about it in any kind of like mainstream greek like right conversations about it which is so frustrating like all the famous like greek artists greek poets it's like there's so much queerness in that stuff and no one addresses it anyway that's a whole other topic but you're right yeah that's crazy yeah

but the guy that anyway so yeah so this guy uh is. And another person who was on the creative team of the production was Yorgos Lanthimos. Oh. Which is so crazy. Like as a young, he was probably like in his, I don't know, 30s, 20s. Yeah, that's so interesting. So, and another one is this, oh God, I'm forgetting her name.

Athena something, who's another, who then went on to become a famous Greek director as well and did a lot of kind of like movies that were, are in this um have you seen dog tooth it's like a lot of the most it's like blonk most his first movie that was nominated for the foreign film oscar so he kind of exists in the same vein as her of like it was called the greek weird wave and it was like a series of movies and kind of like basically during the beginning of the Greek financial crisis that we're dealing with it from a very like kind of like crazy

surrealist perspective I mean it's like dog tooth it's like just very just like strange and fucked up storyline as a way to deal with like the precarity of the financial crisis I'm not articulating this well but like anyway so she was on the creative team as well and it just like obviously i didn't understand a lot of this stuff as a however old i was you know 12 14

yeah but it's one of those things that you responded to exactly i don't know why oh wait i didn't say what the best part was yes are you ready for this yes it all builds up to Bjork. Yes. I remember this. Getting into, you know, getting in there and then. She was in the red. No, no,

she was. And then unfolding a dress that covers the entire stadium. What? That is the, I do not remember that. Oh my God. Yeah.

I remember it. Sorry. The red thing is something different. Yes. Cause I was like, there's, there's, I was like,

isn't there something with cloth or something? And it was Bjork? It was Bjork and what connection did she have to greece it was i think it was just that the people organizing this had just really good taste and we're just like this and she sang a song that was called like oceanio which is from i can't remember which album it's from but but it's obviously a song about the ocean yeah so it's like in greece like you know know whatever but but I mean for it to end with that that's so crazy

it was just like do we remember was that a Phelps moment that was his first or was that Ian Thorpe's moment it might have been

his first oh wait was he in Sydney he was not in Sydney I think Athens was his first it might have been his first Beijing was like like

Beijing and London were like peak I want to say I feel like every I would say Beijing was like the beginning London were like peak I want to say I feel like every I would say Beijing was like the big Every Summer Olympics is like defined by a specific hot swimmer Right

There was Ian Thorpe from Australia and then there was like Ryan Lochte The Ryan Lochte of it all was something we tried to get behind so hard and then we all had to be like nope fail, fail, fail Was there like a hot swimmer for for brazil that like yeah it was it was ryan locked because remember he got in all that trouble like that wasn't his like it wasn't like the stars

born like they truly tried to make it they tried to make it his moment because it was like kind of no longer ryan i mean michael phelps's mom yeah yeah but then when he turned out to be such a true idiot yeah yeah yeah like we all had to be such a true idiot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we all had to be like, oh, never mind. We're like fully a national embarrassment. And I'll never forget the iconic culture that is Al Roker. Yes. Being like, on the Today Show, I think it was like fully Matt Lauer being like, you know, give him a break.

And Roker was literally like, no. Yeah. No. Yeah, that's great. We're not going to give him a break. That's great. He fucked up. And then him on 30 Rock. Was that after London? Was that after? No, that. No. Yeah, that's great. We're not going to give him a break. That's great. He fucked up. And then him on 30 Rock.

Was that after London? Was that after Brazil? No, that was before. That was when he had goodwill and he was like in on the joke. And it made you like him for him to be like willing to be called

the sex idiot on 30 Rock. I know. Oh my God. I actually think his reality show may have been on E! Wow. Am I making that up? Wait, who's Rokers?

No, Lochte. Oh, Ryan Lochte. I was still on the Al Roker. Yes, Ryan Lochte did. And I believe that up? Wait, who's Rokers? No, Lochte. Oh, Ryan Lochte. I was still on the Al Roker. Yes, Ryan Lochte did. And I believe he was also on some reality show that was like Watch Them Fuck, sort of. Uh-huh. Right?

That's great. Just Watch Them Fuck. Literally anything with D-list celebrities in a house where they're all hot and barely famous, I'm like, oh, this is a watch them fuck show. Sure, sure, sure. This is a show we're going to like watch two of them

like sort of flirt for a little while and then we're going to be like, Monday fuck. Can I just say something, Matt? This is the intelligence that Bowen was talking about is that you just, I'm serious

and this is what I love about your sense of humor is that that is such a Matt thing to say that you just summed up all of that with. That's a watch them fuck show. Well, I accept that. There you go. Thank you so much.

It's great to know that I have a voice. It's actually rule of culture number 11. It's great to know that I have a voice. George, I relate to you watching the opening ceremonies on YouTube very hard because I do that for Beijing all the time. I did not have the privilege of being there like you were at Athens.

Oh my god. You were there! That's crazy. I would say to this day when I think of any kind of live performance I've seen. Sure, that's huge. It was also a lot of firsts. Literally that was the first

live musical performance. Like the first like quote unquote concert. I mean, so the idea that like as a, you know,

11, 12 year old, the first person I ever saw live was Bjork. It's just like, you know, street cred for yourself.

It's just so silly because I did not have like, I was not like in middle school and high school someone who was like Indian, had sophisticated taste like at all. Like I had, I was not like in middle school and high school someone who was like Indian had sophisticated taste like at all like I had

I was I mean obviously I had all these blind spots which was one reason but I also just like didn't I wasn't that deep of a thinker then sure sure sure who was the first live concert you saw funnily enough Imogen Heap was it really Paramount Theater in Denver I mean I like

my parents didn't really let me go I would beg every year to go to Seablink 182 or something my parents would be like

no no way and then Imogen Heap I went with a bunch of friends from high school

and loved it she's great she's great she's great live my first concert was Mariah right I love that

this reads for all of us in a deep way I just want to say sure you seeing Bjork thank you Imogen Heap and this reads for all of us in a deep way I just want to say sure like that this you seeing Bjork

thank you I'm gonna take that and me Mariah Carey love that I love how that reads for all of us I love how that reads you know which opening ceremony

I rewatch a lot is London because I'm so glad that they made Spice Girls such a huge part of it well that was closing ceremonies was it? yeah

Spice Girls were a closing ceremony the closing is always like more fun. Like, because I also went to the closing ceremony in Athens. Oh. And that was like

also super enjoyable because they brought out like all the, basically like all of the famous Greek musicians and pop stars. And I remember,

there were, yeah, exactly. There were all the, and like my favorite, there's a Greek pop star named Ana Visi and she's kind of like the Madonna of Greece and I'm Laini Kazan yeah exactly there were all the and like my favorite there's a Greek pop star named Ana Visi and she's kind of like the Madonna of Greece

and I'm obsessed with her actually Theda Hamill also really loves her because Theda is Greek and we've bonded over but so they brought her out and there were all these

kind of like older women kind of like sophisticated women that were like they made a mockery of like how they brought out pop stars this is Athens

like this is the Olympic games. And I was like, woo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's gotta be fun for everyone. And I think that's like part of why they brought the Spice Girls out at those ceremonies. Cause it's truly like, it's so funny to me that like the United Kingdom was like, okay, we have like only so much to do. We have, and we're going to give the Spice Girls 10 minutes.

And they came out and rode around on top of cars. And they were like, get up out of your chair! Was it all five of them? It was all five of them. I hate when it's not all five.

I hate when it's not all five. Honestly, just like punch me in the face. It's never going to be all five of them ever again. Never again. They're currently touring, aren't they?

With no Victoria. With no Victoria, obviously. But the thing is like, and I get it, her reasoning for not wanting to do it is like, literally if you could boil it down to one sentence, you guys, I can't sing. It's just she doesn't want to do it anymore after doing it for that long.

I get that she's busy with other stuff, but it's like. She knows she's bad at it. Well, she also, it's not just, I mean, yes, it's literal singing, but it's also like, I don't think she likes performing. I don't think she likes being on a stage and entertaining people when i was watching the the performance which i've actually watched it a bunch lately because they are a gag to me like the spice girls no no no it's just so funny to watch posh execute choreo because she's doing it but she's obviously so on autopilot and And I realized like when you look back at the Spice Girls,

which I believe we talked about this on our episode with Corinne and Christina, but my favorite thing about Posh always is how over it she was and how little she did. Like there's that iconic scene in Spice World where they're doing the obstacle course and the reveal that she's just walking around the side. Like, I love that.

I think it is so funny. Just like the like couldn't be botheredness of it. Like I love that. I think it is so funny. The couldn't be botheredness of it. I love that about her. And so now for her to be like, I'm actually not coming is so funny to me. It's almost like it's part of the show. It's just the ultimate height.

They should have a live feed of her. They should have a live feed of her at home. Yeah. Wow. Wait, it's so funny that we're talking about the Spice Girls because literally my second choice of what I was going to bring up as my thing. Was the Spice Girls because literally my second choice of what I was gonna bring up as my thing was the Spice Girls

but I was like people have done that and it we've actually only talked about it once and for some reason cosmically I think probably because this

happened and astrology I have been watching a lot of Spice Girls media on YouTube lately like I'm kind of re-obsessed with the whole

Jerry leaving the band of it all like it's so crazy to me that she just up and did that and now they're still, they will still all gladly sit down and do long interviews about it. Yeah. And now they reveal

that Scary Spice, Mel B, and Ginger Spice, Jerry Halliball hooked up. Do you believe that? Yeah, I believe it 100%. Okay, wait. I think they ate each other's pussies. I think that's what they did. One more time. I think they ate each other's pussies.

And then they were like, Hi, see, yeah. I think they went, Hi, see, mmm. You keep smelling that damn pie, damn bird. We should say on the pod, my mom texted me and she said,

this is, this is separate. This is mom culture. Christina. I mean, Oh my God. Christina. That's my aunt's name.

Katrina Claritas Rogers texted me and said, I was on the beach eating a sandwich and a bird came and snatched up my Sam. A seagull came and snatched up my sandwich. Damn period. No, no, no space.

Exclamation point. Space, space. Damn, exclamation point, space, space. Damn, bird. Smelled D-A-M-M. Damn, bird. Damn, bird. So now whenever me and Bowen are just, whenever there's too much silence, we'll just turn to each other and go,

Damn, bird. I think it goes on a shirt. I think it goes on a shirt. I think it goes on, it's merch. It's merch. Damn, bird. Wow, I think it's time. Is it time? I think it's time. Is it time?

I think it's time for I Don't Think So, Honey. It might be time for I Don't Think So, Honey. So you did not come prepared, but do you have something now? I thought of something, but it's just not going to be. I mean, listen, I've done two of these before. Yeah, you certainly have. And if I do say so myself, I did a very good job. You always do an amazing job.

And in fact, as the kids say, you in fact slay and go off. Yes. Queen. Queen. But, and I'm excited to- So this will be kind of a more rough, a rough one, but it's fine. All right, so I have mine, and I classically do go first. I have mine, but classically Matt goes first.

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. George Conway. Oh. Leave your fucking wife. Oh.

She is a troglodyte broom thank you bowen yang who is literally aiding and abetting and helping at all costs to her soul the president of the united states and i don't think so honey you getting on your fucking twitter and being like trump this trump that fuck trump fuck trump you know how you send a message? Leave your fucking wife, who is a monster. I cannot take you seriously at all. And I really fucking hate this public battle that you're having with your wife. I don't think so, honey. Fucking work it out at home or fucking send a message that you don't support this by walking out on her because she is at all costs trying to keep him in office and she hurts people.

15 seconds. You are a fucking weak person, and don't think that we're respecting you for getting on your Twitter and then being like, low-key, we don't talk about it at home. Five seconds. Fuck you. Leave Kellyanne Conway,

who is viciously evil. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. So, you're going after both of them, but you're telling me. Well, I don't think it's telling I don't I don't think it's even appropriate to do I don't think

it's only Kellyanne Conway because it's such evil and it's such it's such like racist trash but this guy the call to action is for George to leave

yeah hello it's like you're telling me you can respect her I know I know you're telling me you can go home with her every day

you guys raise children together what is going on it's disgusting and when she asked that reporter what's your ethnicity if that's where we're at in this country which it obviously is yeah and you can go home every day with your fucking dignity get out of that it's the fact that she has a significant a spouse who is in the public figure who is so against yeah the administration like that's that's what's bumping and that is the reality television that i am not signing up for yes because it's not a fucking joke like any any any other any other you know person on his staff like like like their significant others are like fine like as long as they're on the same like they're not publicly hashing this out i assume that they're all kind of like co-signing it yeah yeah and as long like and like i'm sorry but like it goes beyond like we don't talk about politics at home it's like yeah we're beyond that at this

point like it is personal and i'm so tired of going on twitter and seeing his seeing his stuff retweeted it's like that's no her husband, you guys. Like, no. And honestly, yeah, like, I guess, I don't know, I guess some people

take their fucking vows pretty seriously, but that's a little too serious for me. Okay. Wow. Wow. I have nothing to add.

Gorgeous. If you did have something to add. Wait, do you know what? As we were talking, I got an email that was like,

I'm doing, I won't say what show it is, but I'm doing some show where like, there's like a producer and an assistant and whatever. And it's like a whole fucking thing. And they're, and they're like, it's sold out.

We're so excited. And it's like, and I just got an email from the like head person that was like, if anyone has a camera we can borrow to film the show, like let us know. Asking the comedian. The comedian. It's like,

that is so just like, your job is to not have to ask. Nothing is real. Like, it's just like nothing is actually serious. No. Well, politics is serious. I know, I know.

And our national situation actually is very serious. Okay. And that's why I do my I Don't Think So Honey. So now it's time for Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. And his time will,

as a matter of fact, it will start right now i don't think so any snapple facts bitch it's the information age and you are not pulling your weight honey i don't need to know that snails don't sleep i'm just making them up i mean any any little tidbit little bite of copy that's on like a wrapper or a cap i don't, roo! I don't, you know what? Someone gets paid to do that and that should not be a job anymore. There's no use for me to read off a Dove chocolate wrapper some positive affirmation. For someone to walk away

30 seconds from one of these caps or wrappers and think that their day's been improved or that they've walked away with some earned extra knowledge or something, then they lead walked away with some extra knowledge or something, then they lead an unfulfilled life. And I think they have to find the other sources of knowledge, of insight in books.

We have to return to books. And until you can print a whole book on a Snapple cap or a Dove chocolate wrapper, I don't think so, honey. Five seconds. Those little copywriter people just typing away, getting a paycheck. And that's one minute minute my problem is they're not all facts right they're not necessarily all true and this is and i'm gonna i'm gonna come from my own culture fortune cookies i don't think so honey what are you doing it's not all fortunes okay what about

chipotle uh cups cups i love it because sometimes they'll sometimes it'll be by george saunders yeah What are you doing? It's not all fortunes. Okay, what about Chipotle cups? Cups. I love it because sometimes it'll be by George Saunders. Yeah. Or sometimes it'll be by, you know, fucking some, you know, Sarah Vowell will write a paragraph on a Chipotle cup and I'll be like, yes, works, Sarah, get that check. See, the thing is, like, you never know when you open a fortune cookie

whether you're getting a fortune or something that's a little, like, kind of adage. Yes. You know what I mean? Anyway, if my reference of George Saunders and Sarah Vowell was intellectually superior I'm sorry to you feel that way but um you know that's that's just my truth George there's two Georges

George Conway and George Saunders yeah yeah it's the spectrum it's the George episode when I started my I don't think so honey and said I don't think so honey George and before I said the last name, were you nervous? Yes. You really were? Well, not nervous. I mean, I thought you were going to make a joke about something I said during the episode.

And I was like, what did I say that pissed Matt off? What do you think people would do in I Don't Think So Honey George Severus about? Oh, um... Roast yourself. Well, I mean... Let's see he's really thinking about it no I am because there's an obvious one and I don't want to say it and the obvious

one is that I've spent a year talking about a breakup and oh my god that's how long it takes to get over it I know I know but then the other thing is I feel like I talk about everything I talk in this episode like I talk about being Greek a lot so what that's your culture bitch I talk about people also like I talk about being Greek a lot so what that's your culture bitch I talk about

people also get mad when I'm like this is my friend from grad school and then they're like okay we're in grad school oh shut up that's a problem

with them that's your education bitch no that's a problem with them and then I'm like what were you supposed to say that's my friend not from grad school

where did you meet them this happened to me yesterday anyway whatever ew fuck everyone else that's actually rule of. Ew. Fuck everyone else. It's actually full of culture number two. Fuck everyone else.

Sometimes you have to say things with an extra flavor. Come on with the flavor. Now, George, are you ready? Whatever. Yes, I'm ready. This is, yeah. We'll see how it goes. We'll see how it goes.

This is George Savaris' I Don't Think So Honey's Time Starts Now. I don't think so, honey. People who call their own opinions unpopular. I hate this. Okay, you have an unpopular opinion? How subversive. Yes, beach. How brave. Okay, let's call it the New York Review of Books.

Someone has to write an op-ed about their controversial favorite ice cream flavor. Shall we get a fireside chat going at the new school with Masha Gessen? Masha, 30 seconds. And while we're at it, I don't think so, honey, people who say, what's your hottest take about X, Y, Z?

What is your hottest take about queer video game characters 15 seconds i'll kill you um unpopular that's all i have to say i don't think so how many people who call their own opinions unpopular and that's one that's what it's true it's like it there it's it's like this thing of like when people step forward and say i'm'm a singer. It's like, I'll judge that. Oh, yeah. You better sing first. And then we'll say if you're a singer.

Unpopular opinion. I'll let you know after I hear it. But. And this is, I was going to say. How popular it is with me. Unpopular opinion is another way of saying devil's advocate. And I was going to say devil's advocate. Is it just a way, a little bit at self-awareness to be like i know

what i'm about to say is like not great yeah like i'm gonna turn some heads with this yeah well it's also like you know um defining what you think in terms of what other people think which already is actually a weak position to take like it's just like i don't respect your intellectual project sure because it doesn't stem from an actual belief it stems from you wanting to be contrarian but a weak position to take. Like, it's just like, I don't respect your intellectual project. Sure. Because it doesn't stem from an actual belief. It stems from you wanting to be contrarian. But like, let's say we're sitting in a circle where we're just cracking jokes

and, you know, one of us says, bad joke or bad pitch, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I hate that. You hate that? I do it all the time. I hate this is a bad blank, but I really don't like it.

Is that, because it's like, now I'm ready for this bad thing. Yes, but it's also, it's also sort of a defensive, a defensive thing for the person saying it to be like, I understand that this is not my best. Right.

But I mean, I guess self-aware in a way, I guess then I don't like the atmosphere that allows that. Okay. Because I think that we should just understand that all things are pitches. And I think we should just understand that all things are pitches and i think we should we should not just like demand an atmosphere where everything comes in perfect oh because literally nothing ever is i always say which am i getting red terrible i'm always like no i'm just like this is something that really bothers me yes yes like this this idea that like

we're not in a room that's supposed to be creative together. Sure, sure. Like we're all supposed to get here and like already know exactly. Like you don't know. Thank you. Yeah. No, I do that all the time and I hate it in myself. And it's like what I always say, which is so awful, is I'll be like,

let's say we're like brainstorming titles for this podcast. And I'll be like what about okay not this but and then I'll say something because I want to be like you know in this direction but I haven't actually

thought of like well I kind of like not this but because it's like it's saying I'm pitching an area for us to go in not

well this is really bad and I'm even sorry for saying it but like it's like no this is like it's even too many words so I was so you don't hate it when people say that but you hate the

as it says it's as you said before just you don't like the environment that encourages that I hate these sort of like self-indulgent thing of like so this is gonna be really bad but I don't like that and I also think that is a risk the reason that exists is because someone are scared

and there's been an impression that you better come with the perfect thing. Right. And I think not this but, there is a difference there. You know what I mean? Saying not this but is putting clay on the table and then you're going to mold it into something that's going to be good. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. It all comes down to, I guess, how creative

environments are run. Yes. Absolutely. Now, I really, really, as you can tell by my little moans, my phonating, got really horny this episode. Well, I think that...

Well, the good news is we are literally leaving for Fire Island in three days. I'm going to come everywhere. How sexually active do you guys want to be? Barry? I actually have not decided. Yeah, I haven't decided either. Not just that, but I haven't decided what kind of experience I'm trying to manifest. Do you know what I mean?

I want to fall in love. I don't know either. George laughs. I don't know either because can I reveal? Uh-oh. I'm seeing someone. LOL. Since when?

Since recently. Okay, but then, is this a... And I don't know if I want to hook up with other people. You're literally kicking your legs up. I haven't seen you this happy. Now, is this a recent development? Was there a conversation that was recently had since last time I've seen you?

There was like a little tiny thing said that I'm just saying in my own brain, like, well, guess what? I'm not trying to hook up with other people right now. I love that, Matt. I'm so happy for you. I even had plans tonight to see someone else, and I think I have to text them and be like,

actually, I'm sorry. I'm not interested in that. Fuck. Wow. That's crazy. That's so cool. I feel bad for that person a little bit. I mean, yeah, but the thing is,

he has to bite the bullet for the greater good of the world. Oh, which, yes. And the greater good for the world. Oh, which, yes. And the greater good for the world. And you being with someone to an exclusive level precludes the greater good. But the thing is, it's not even exclusive because we haven't discussed it being exclusive. I'm just deciding for myself.

That's nice. I'm actually cool. I actually don't need it. And I think that's actually going to make Fire Island way more pleasant and fun for me. I agree. Because taking it off the table helps me so much. What you're describing is so, that is exactly what I would, like, that is such a me thing to do.

Yeah. Just being like, we don't have to have a conversation. Just like any excuse to not have the anxiety of like, yeah. And honestly, once you take that anxiety off the table, you actually, I'm going to say it, are free. I know. I know. Because, and I honestly think, I wish that it didn't have to be, well, I'm going to say it are free. I know. Because, and I honestly think I wish that it didn't have to be while I'm sort of seeing someone now to,

to do that. Because I honestly think, I honestly think I have been more comfortable in spaces where sex was on the table or like dating was on the table when I've literally said, I don't care. Well, yeah, of course you got to throw the deuces up in the air and say,

I actually don't care. And it is cosmic. It. You got to throw the deuces up in the air and say, I actually don't care. And it is cosmic. It is a cosmic thing. Your energy is more inviting. Yes. Then when you're like Tinsley Mortimer being like, hello to you. Sorry, hello to you.

Oh my God. Do you want kids? You're reading Tinsley. I will read Tinsley to Phil. I want to just really swerve the narrative back in my direction. Come on, take it, bitch. I want to fall in love. Yes, you do.

I am. And you should and you deserve. I just had this, you know where I'm at, where I just had this really intense thing recently in the last couple days that I'm just like, I just want to sort of wash it out. You don't want it. I don't think I want it.

I have a question. Okay, that's fine. Yeah. Like, it washed out. You don't want it. I don't think I want it. I have a question. Okay, that's fine. What are, like, how do you go about, like, when we're all there together? Yes. Are there opportunities? Yes. To, like, have. Well, he doesn't know what he's saying yet.

Absolutely. Yes, Meech. Every opportunity. No, just, like, what would an ideal uh narrative look like for you of like where would you want to meet someone how do you want it to happen be anywhere literally describe your dream date scenario at fire island okay go um you know maybe we're sharing a substance and yes. Something to tell your grandkids. Yes,

absolutely. And then we talk and we go for what I literally don't, I don't have any sort of parameters on this. I just want to fall. No, you know what? And here's what I think it can happen at any moment, especially rule of culture.

Number 12, love can happen at any moment. It's actually rule of culture, number 12. Love can happen at any moment. Well, I'm just like, for some reason, I'm divorcing the love part from the sex part. I don't think I need to have sex with anybody.

Yeah, you don't. Because I've done it on Fire Island where it's just like, oh, that was awful and I did not get anything out of that. There's this like, what's the shape of a chart I'm thinking of? When it's like,

when there are two, yeah, it's like, when there are two, there's like a sweet spot of like just enough kind of a horny gay man around me

where I am then also horny. Sex and love are different. But that's, that is absolutely not what I'm talking about. Go bitch. You talk. Parabola from the Greek parabolas.

Yes. No, but then when I'm in a giant party of all sweaty bodies, it's like I'm asexual. Oh, 100%. There you go. There's nothing less horny to me than bags of meat

blopping around to music that's like this. It's like void of anything yeah and also all I need if I see one person that's like too drunk or too high

who has just like kind of a dead in the eyes look that immediately I'm just like oh god this is like a scene from Skins

yes oh it's like it's like from Euphoria from Euphoria yes have you watched Euphoria I've watched the pilot

and I want to keep watching I've heard that it is stunning and apparently Zendaya is the real fucking deal she's so good and you know what I was gonna I saw you tweet about

Zendaya I'm sorry Zendaya I saw you tweet about this and what was it that you I said we have no choice but to say I said

interesting development that we may have no choice and it is I didn't see it coming no she was a punchline. Yeah. I'm sorry,

but she was. Well, she was a Nickelodeon Disney star. Not in a mean way, but just kind of like, you know, the kind of like, trying to make Zendaya happen.

Like, greatest showman. It was just like, oh God, her again. And she is really good in this show. I also think

you always have to take someone with a grain of salt when they come at you from a very early age with one name. Come on. It's like okay so very that it's like so clearly you think you're an icon. Yeah yeah yeah. That you think this is going to be a one name thing

because her last name is what Coleman? Oh my God I did not know that. I think she's got like a normal ass last name. I don't know. HPA do you know? We're on it. I love that.. I think she's got like a normal ass last name. I don't know. HPA. Do you know? We're on it. I love that. But I think her last name is something straight up from down the block. Coleman.

Coleman. Thank you, man. Zendaya Coleman also is like a good name. Yeah, you could easily be a celebrity with that name. You can easily be a celebrity with that name, Zendaya Coleman. It's actually rule of culture number 50. You can easily be a celebrity with the name Zendaya Coleman. But she chose to have one name and that is

sort of a red flag and then you slay the pilot of Euphoria I've gotten so many texts being like you need to watch Euphoria Hunter Schaefer I really love

I was about to say she is really kind of a breakout she's incredible and is very smart I read an interview with her recently yeah

also Maude Apatow is in it yes Maude's in it oh I didn't know that. She wasn't in the pilot. She was in the pilot, just very briefly. She was the friend

who Wednesday day goes to her friend's house. She's the friend who greets her at the door. Oh, okay. Anyway, I have my, no, actually, can I say, this is exactly what.

Say it, say it, say it. This is the scene that needs to happen for me to fall in love on Fire Island. Okay. You ready? Yeah.

I have to be sitting on the dock next to this person while the sun Yeah. I have to be sitting on the dock next to this person while the sun sets. I have to tell them, look at the sunset. Look at the sunset right now. Look at it right now.

You can't look away. You can't look away. So, George, I'm sorry, but you're out of the running. And your dad, your ex-boyfriend's dad is actually in the running.

Is in the running. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it'll be with him. All right. What's his name? Full name? I can't. So so we can time capsule this Zendaya

actually Zendaya Coleman do you know what's okay do you want to hear something crazy it rhymes with Zendaya I'm not kidding was he Greek

I swear to god I'm not kidding he's Israeli Israeli oh oh my god maybe the title of this episode is rhymes with Zendaya

I think the title of this episode is Rhymes with Zendaya. I think the title... That's good! I love that. That's great. I love that. Yay! We found the title!

I love this episode. This is a great episode because it served the culture. And honestly, it served... I mean, Greece was the first culture. I remember when we made the list of the top 10 cities of culture. And actually Athens snuck in there and bumped London. Bumped London. Wow.

Which was controversial in the moment. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you for bringing Athens to the show. I had such a great time. Thank you. We love you so much. What a joy. I'm so excited we get to spend a week together.

I know. That'll be really fun. That'll be really fun. And I'll be very much, I'm in a different house, but I'll be very much the Kimmy Gibbler slash Stephen Urkel of the house, but I will kind of come over. Yeah, we're also still looking to fill one room in our house.

Yeah, we've got one spot. Let's call Charista's listeners. Come on. When this comes out in August, just know that three weeks prior, we really struggled to fill a room in that house. And I'll keep you posted if I fall in love. I know we're going to hear updates. I want it to be real with the listeners posted if I fall in love. I know we're gonna hear updates.

I want it to be real with the listeners. I know, I know, I know. Here we go. Let's close with a song as we always do. If I was who I was before Then I'd be walking at your door

But I cannot convince I am the same But if you give a little Get a little Maybe we can let To love each other Bye. Bye. Ooh.

Bye. Fuck. Oh, my God. Look at the sunset. Yes. Don't look away. Don't look away. Don't look away.

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