Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Mythos & Lore" (w/ Larry Owens ft. Henry Koperski)

Episode Date: June 5, 2018

Lore, Mythos, and Grandeur — words that come to mind when one thinks of Larry Owens, his talent, and his powerhouse performance on this episode of Las Culturistas. In the words of Matt Rogers, “This episode is wild, crazy, full of thoughtfulness and wild abandon, intellectual, but physical…verbally physical! Getting a little real, getting a little funny, getting a little musical, getting a little rowdy — if that doesn’t make you say yes, then I don’t know what will.” Larry discusses the culture that beckoned to him — Black Culture, Church Culture, and TV Culture — and how the inheritance of this culture blessed and shaped him. He performs two songs: “The Ballad Of Oprah”, an incredible Larry Owens original, and a William Finn/Stephen Sondheim medley, arranged and accompanied by the incomparable Henry Koperski. And as an added bonus, Matt & Bowen & Larry & Henry participate in an iconic game of DIVA TAG — a queer sport where they all sing a song and tag off on the verses! It’s serious firepower! So much so, that the street light outside LITERALLY TURNS ON during the performance!---LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:twitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASTforeverdogpodcasts.com/las-culturistas  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

Hmm. You know what? Summer of Cunt is in full swing. Yes, it is. Now, we're getting a little bit riled up today in the studio because, well, for several reasons. Yes. I've barely eaten today because I'm trying to figure out my goddamn diet for Summer of Cut so I can get shredded. What's your goal here?

To get shredded? Well, I want to lose that little bit of fat which is happening on my lower stomach. That's the last thing to go, baby. That's the last thing to go? I feel like that's what people say. And I trust people. Well, at least we have the power and control to suck that part in. Yes. And I would also like, for the and control to suck that part in. Yes.

And I would also like, for the very first time in my life, a chest. Okay, but the thing is, I've seen you in baseball tees. You have a little chest. No, no, no. Those are purposefully bought

because they're the only shirts that will give me a chest at all. But by the end of the summer, we will have a chest. Okay, let's excavate it. Honey. And that's all i'm saying is that the the food intake yeah because i've been trying to cut out like lots of the carbs

because i eat a lot of carbs trying to be a little bit healthier i've been eating a salad every day as per your request my or as per your um suggestion rather yeah lightly this seems like a common sense suggestion absolutely absolutely it does okay but, how have you been doing in your first days of the summer of Kant? I've, I feel like I, I feel good. Um, I had like a little fever,

sore throat situation that like really tempered my appetite and that helped sort of kick things off. It's great to be sick. It's so good to be sick. That's your rule of culture number 14. 14. It's great to be sick. And I,

um, and you know, I'm just like sort of riding that momentum for as long as I can I'm coasting on that for a while but it's just it's a lot of kind bars

it's a lot of just salads it's a lot of the Moroccan chicken pot at Pret a Manger you were swearing by Sweetgreen oh and I love Sweetgreen

of course even though I've come for Sweetgreen on this pod before you have you have but it's a love hate relation it is a love hate relation

I don't have a love hate relation with our guests what a great segue what's going on HPJ has his face in between us is your phone making noise I think your iTunes is playing oh my god my iTunes was playing you know what don't cut any of that out I want that to be real and raw.

I want it to be on the podcast that that's how hands-on HPJ is. HPJ walked over and tended to us like little children. At first, my instinct was to be very furious. At HPJ? Yes. I was like, what is he doing? What's going on? He always looks out for us.

He does. He's a granddaddy du jour. And Tara Abel at New York Magazine specifically tweeted at us, we demand more hot producer content. Wow. And now you're getting it, bitch.

And now you're getting it. HPJ, baby. Yes. But while, the reason I was so angry, I think, is because I had that ingenious segue. Such a good segue.

So let's, let's get into it again. It's a love-hate relationshipate relationship yeah you know who i don't have a love-hate relationship with our guest that's such a good segue it really was um okay so bowen can you explain um a little bit about our guest our guest um has really just woven his way into the New York mythos. Taking it by storm. Taking it by storm. Just landed upon

this derelict place and sort of renewed it and sort of gave it life anew. As Lea Michele once said, like a cannonball! He'll fly like a cannonball. And let's go through the credits. He's a staff writer at the true TV show Paid Off.

Amazing, amazing show. And he is performing in Larry's musical breakdown at Cavia on July 19th, as well as at Putting Y'all Together with James Jackson Jr. August 2nd at 54 Below. Wow. That venue just sort of escaped me. Because you always want to say Studio 54. That's exactly why.

That's why. But it's Larry Owens and James Jackson Jr. doing the works of Sondheim, and we will get into Sondheim with our guest. We're going to get into it. And please welcome Larry Owens. Groot! Larry Owens is Larry Owens has christened Gru.

No, Larry, it's got to be falsetto. It's got to be false. Oh, there's a note. Thank you. Let me try it again. Vocal note to Larry. Wait, I told you I was vulnerable before we- Okay, okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine.

What? You don't have to- Talk about the vulnerability. I'm vocally vulnerable. The allergies are out. Zyrtec. I'm also on a fucked up diet. And so when I take a Zyrtec, I am crazy.

Okay. It's almost like when Roseanne takes an Ambien. Stop it. I was going to go to Paula Abdul. I was like, I'm a Paula Abdul moment. I'm like, no, yeah, but like also spacey, like, you know. Sure. No, I get that.

So I didn't have been taking a Zyrtec because it's making me crazy. But, you know, they, like, you know. Sure. No, I get that. So I didn't have him taking the Zyrtec because it's making me crazy. But, you know, the pollen is out, you know. Yeah, yeah. No, maybe that's why we're feeling a little bit sick. Because we were all discussing how we're all feeling a little bit under the web. Yeah, yeah. You know, we all have a little bit of stuff, but it's that texture. It's that good, good, you know, experience on the voice.

Right. That's what good, good means. That good, good. Nothing. I'm just gasping. I'm like, so I can't believe I like looked at Bowen. I beheld Bowen and I was like breathless. It was very.

Oh, nothing to behold. Come on. Bowen always is like, like, what are you doing? And I'm like, Bowen, I'm just enjoying your presence. Yes. That's so sweet. And let me be enough, please. That is.

More on that later. Can I tell you something? We will never forget. We will never forget. The night, the very first time we saw you. When we met. Yes. That was huge.

We will never forget. Because when you were, it excited me when you were talking about watching Larry take the city by storm because we truly saw the beginning. You unearthed me, honey.

No, but, you have us to thank. I credit you both. Truly. Like, not ironically. What were you doing in New York before that fateful night at the Duplex

when you fucking tore up? What was that song? He did, I think he did, you did Sunday from Sunday in the Park of Joy. It's a whole fucking thing. Yeah. What were you doing in New York before that fateful night at the duplex when you fucking tore up? What was that song? I think you did Sunday. Sunday in the Parlor. It's a whole fucking thing. So give us some background. What brought you here, you bitch?

Oh, my God. Well, like, I, in a really, really idiotic way, thought that as, like, a fat black kid in Baltimore, I could be a lead in musical theater on Broadway so I was like until like you know kind of like that night that fateful December night when Jordan First and I walked into the duplex and it was you both of you Cole Henry behind the piano it was like and I was like what is going on these people are like inclusive hilarious like politically minded like fine you someone can do all three yeah because Trump had just been elected. Oh, right, right, right. And so I was actually desolate. I was very, very sad. And wokeness is actually, it's over now, but it began somewhere. You know what I mean?

So I was sleeping. And then I met you guys. And I feel like you guys taught me on that night how I could be all parts of myself. Are you kidding? No, and not divided up. I always feel like, my god this is my Baltimore side this is my New York side this is my musical theater

this is writing but you guys like all your entire world is about just doing and like being magnanimous Larry Owens but I will say that that feeling is it's slightly misplaced

to us I think it was. I think it was Henry. I think it was a lot of it has to do. I think it was Henry bringing everyone together because Henry was the one that started doing the duplex nights and like, yes, Henry is great. He'll be here later. He'll be here later.

And we will, we will exalt him. I want to exalt you too, because I've been, I've been listening to the pod and just like falling into, as you said, like the world of like what we all do and yeah it's just like crazy it's crazy well you're so fucking good i mean that's the here's the thing is it's

like it's you know sometimes you're you're like you see a lot of talented people you see a lot of talent you see a lot of talented people in new york in this business let me tell you honey wow that was that that take was so hot, Bowen's headphones flew off. The wig flew. His wig was snatched. Do you need some pins for your wig? No, no, no, honey. I need to scratch my earlobe.

Secure the wig. Secure the wig. But you see a lot of talented people. Yes, and what I'm saying is that was out of control how amazing you are as a performer. Thank you, thank you. And that's like what I, so when I like sort of got up the confidence and I started stalking Peter Smith at their shows, I would go to Thomas Jubilee like over like, that was last summer.

And I was just like, wow, like even this person is doing so much in one. And so then when I got back from my summer side gig, I was just doing musical theater. I truly was like and acting like, I was like dying to be in a play but as a musical theater performer, they won't let you be

in a play without a Yale drama degree. And as a musical theater performer, you have to be a white girl. You know what I mean? So it was insane. I was in a holding pattern where I was perfecting my craft. I went to Steppenwolf to study acting and to get all of that good. And then in Chicago, and then I came back and I was doing

the work that I do now, but for people who could, what is the phrase couldn't could not care less yes couldn't care less but then you guys cared a lot stop we care so much you care for me look we do bitch

you care about me well we have to here's the thing I think and I think it's no it's it's it's sort of interesting and fun what's happening with like like the queer-adjacent community in comedy in New York. And that's kind of branched out a little bit because we do care about each other and we gave each other a home. Because while I think a lot of the theaters are accepting and encouraging, you have to really go out and make your own space. Yeah. Like where, and that's, I guess why I attribute a lot of that to Henry, because he literally got behind the piano and played songs for us to sing

along to. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so there, we need that space. And that duplex really did become a space. Cause that was before Catherine was performing there. Ooh.

You know what I mean? Like there was a time when Cole was the only person sort of doing that circle doing that. Yeah. God. Grand grandfather. Yes. Oh my God. Grandfather, yes. Grandfather Cole.

Granddaddy Cole. I am the Cole-a-scola of black women. That's what I want to do with my wigs. And honey, you are that. Thank you, with my wigs. Yeah, Cole, he takes on the behavior of white women. I take on the circumstances of black women. So we're not laughing at these black women ever. You will never be laughing at the black woman

whose wig I'm wearing. You're laughing at the circumstance. At the world that is twisting her into like, you know what I mean? Or like, or limiting her. Like imagine if Oprah wasn't black. Like she would be a gajillionaire. You know what I mean? Like Viola Davis.

Like, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? No joke there. It took 46 years for someone to notice her talent. So I'm glad that I fell into the duplex and truly like you were able you know to care about and recognize my talent and then the spaces that you all had created these queer inclusive non-ironic sincere actual joke driven it has to actually be funny not predicated on on, you know, bullshit spaces. And you created somewhere where I felt like I could be risky

and also like do the shit that, you know, like little. That you really want to do. Yeah, like little kid Larry was like, no, bitch, you can sing like a Sondheim medley at a dive bar and people will like get it. They will get that it's, you know, they'll understand how you're doing it. And so there was freedom there. You guys gave me a lot of freedom.

Oh my God. Yes, bitch. you know they'll understand how you're doing it and so there was freedom there you guys gave me a lot of freedom oh my god yes bitch well listen I received what you're saying okay okay I was not doing I was not doing character comedy

before I met you I saw I based my reel off of Matt Rogers' reel that I saw I was with Jason I could never afford to go to UCB

or to slay for them for the classes and thank god you dodged a fucking bullet there. Thank you. Yeah, intact. Ooh, girl shade. Girl shade.

That's what I said. Well, you two are being shady. I am still on a team. So let's wait a month until I get real shady. Fine. We'll speak on your behalf as someone who put in all the fucking money in the world into that system and having nothing in return receiving nothing in return except for the community

which is great. I guess it was I gotta give it some credit. It did start there. You two knew each other from NYU? From NYU, not from UCB. I don't mean Bowen and I started there. I just mean what it meant to have like a comedy community I guess yeah started um with you know what was still like I

think like the widespread embracing of UCB which I think has changed a little bit for better or worse yeah I know and I'm like learning like how like to like navigate the comedy community and also like I feel like I like brought in a lot of like stuff from television about like what comics are. And it's like not that. So like I like I don't even realize like how even I don't know. Well, accessible everyone. But then now you have people looking up to you like in like a fucking year's worth of work and time, you know? I don't know.

I started doing my first sets in like September and November 2017. Yeah, but that's the cycle. That is such an accelerated timeline in such a great way because it speaks to your work ethic, your talent, everything. Oh my God. I also have to say that I think that what gets you – there's this idea that like if you aren't grinding in the comedy community, you aren't doing comedy no because what makes you the artist that you are is all of that very very very cultivated lived in skillage that you got from from being like a musical theater performer from being larry for all those years and now you're able to imbue your comedy which is the way which is the funnel through which you've chosen to put your gifts yeah into that so it is it's like many, many years of work.

And it's not just, it's not just this thing of like, you know, I took through whatever the fuck class at UCB and was on a team there, et cetera. It's just now I think we're starting to open our eyes a little bit because I think we're forced to open our eyes a little bit in New York. And,

and I don't know how it is in other cities, but possibly as well, like to other ways you can expose your talent because everyone's on fucking internet. The UCB is so saturated to the point where people are just giving up. Anyone can make and joke. Anyone can whistle.

Anyone can whistle. Anyone can whistle. That's what they say. Easy. What's hard is simple. What's hard is simple. What's hard is simple. Now listen, but here you are.

Natural seems, comes hard. Comes hard, yeah, seems hard, I don't know, check me. It's easy to be hard.

Ooh. Different. But still, you know, 20th century canon, American canon. Right, right,

right, right. We're in the same ballpark. How can people, I'll save it. What do we think of Lee? Of Lee, what's her face

Lee Lee the the one who sang Anyone Can Whistle the one who originated Anyone Can Whistle oh Lee Remick Lee Remick

who was Sondheim's beard Sondheim like that was like the one woman that he like would've with you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah but like it didn't work out who would've dipped it

what do you make of Cola Scola's comment saying I don't remember the tweet exactly or the quote, but he's like, wow, Lee Remick fucking sucks. She's trash.

She's terrible. She's the worst. I agree with him vehemently. Yeah. I get that like that's what it took to be a star in that era, but that is actually

all that I balk against. Why is she the heir apparent to the Sondheim mantle, but yet I cannot play a single character in it or be cast as myself today? Wow. So fuck Lee Remick.

Fuck Lee Remick. Her fucking pretty nose and her blonde hair. All of it. I love this. Yeah. That's the truth. We found it. Yeah.

And so if she had preternatural talent, she was coming up with a stretch, you know, iconoclastic, you know what I mean, point of view, then we love. Right. That's who we love.

Real lovely Remick. You know her last name. It took us a long time to figure out her last name. And you know what they say. It's actually rule number 52 of culture. If it takes a long time to remember the last name, bitch, that's it.

Look, Larry, I'm just going to be up front and say, at least speak, I'm going to speak for myself and say, I cannot match the intellectual, how you've so robustly intellectualized Sondheim's work. I cannot match you with Larry. No, but you, like your mind is obscene. No, no, no, no, no. Like it actually hurts me to hang out with you

because it reminds me, honestly, the only person who's made me that intellectually intimidated to hang out with Dame Helen Mirren. Helen Mirren.

Okay, talk about Helen because this is real. Hilarious friends with Helen Mirren. We're cute together, yes. We've spent a couple of holidays together. Have you not seen

the videos? Yes, we have videos and we do the whole bit. Girl, explain. Talk about all this. I don't want to talk about it. I just want to say that she has a huge intellectualism that like- That rivals Donya?

Yeah, that like I'm like fine with celebs. I can like, I'm fine with celebs, but like- Because they're all dumb. But like, but yeah, exactly. But like when you're like out, you know, matched in the wits, I truly feel like, you know, I shut up and I get so like clammy. It's hard. But my Sondheim obsession is because for my entire life,

I was told this is the supreme master of the art form that you want to master. And so me like being like a 12 year old black boy who like went like to high school, you know, at boarding school and like was so like academic, like achievement based, merit based. I'm thinking in my mind, if I can master the works of Stephen Sondheim,

they're going to let me be in one of his musicals. The infrastructure, you know what I mean? Unwoke. I did not know. There are like, I did not realize that I can't name the people who do what I want to do in an entire industry because there was no space for that. And so I dumbly thought that like,

if I made myself an expert on this, on like the knowledge of it, I thought that the knowledge would give me like a pass. Then I thought that the proficiency of performing it would like add something to it. But again, that industry is trash. And I like I'm so happy to be where I am, where like I can still I'm not like I'm not bitter about that. No. And I actually have a musical that's going to be at Playwrights Horizons

in May 2019. Amazing. I will be the black queer protagonist of a musical that takes place in 2018 and it happened. We developed it for three years

and they gave us the green light and we're going. Oh my God, is this like an exclusive announce? I mean, it's a soft announce. It's a soft announce. Yeah,

we always need the press release, but yeah. We always It's a soft announce. We always need the press release. We always, of course, but we'll hold off until the press release. Where did Titus Bird just play The Witch in Into the Woods? I think that was at Kansas City Rep. Or maybe it was in a concert. Still not Broadway. Not Broadway, honey. Yeah.

Did we see a video of it? Was it good? I imagine it was. Yeah, he's performed it a few places, so you can grab it online. Sondheim actually granted Billy Porter way back when they were doing the Vanessa Williams revival. He was very into Billy playing the role, but that was 15 years ago.

So he was interested. He's intrigued, but it's the infrastructure. They're trash. So you do feel this complete, maybe not complete, but this sort of discernible separation from that infrastructure now. You're like totally removed from it, extricated. No, I mean, like I'm still doing like, I still work at places you can't even name, 54 Below, like which is like above 14th Street. You know, like I'll dabble and like, know do your reading bring me something good no one there is writing for me because they cannot monetize me because i don't know yeah i'm ugly but like in their eyes in their eye society in society we're

gonna talk about their lens you know how i feel about myself very good but yeah so i don't know we're just gonna let them have that and then we'll wait for may i have my show and so it's like i actually don't even need to talk about it a lot. Just like I'm ready for May 2019. Oh my God. To be continued on that bitch. Watershed, A Strange Loop,

Playwrights Horizons. Book, Music and Lyrics by Michael R. Jackson. Oh my God. Michael R. Jackson, the other Michael Jackson. Yes, I know.

Just you wait, bitch. Can he moonwalk? He can do more than that. Oh, bitch. With his brain. Okay. So we just mentioned many cultural influences, He moonwalk? He can do more than that. Oh, bitch! With his brain. Okay!

So we just mentioned many cultural influences. But here's the thing. And I also feel like we haven't asked this question in a long time because you've had a lot of return guests. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, talking so much about what's formed you and your ideas and your talents. But we have to ask you specifically the question of what was the culture that made you say Larry Owens' culture was for you. It was when you picked up the phone and, you know, at this time it was one of those phones that were on the wall.

And so you couldn't go very far. You couldn't run from this. The culture. Right. Because it was actually connected to the wall so when you put the receiver to your ear it said hi this is culture and you had to answer this is larry and then how may i direct and then you asked and who who am i speaking to and who answered who answered i feel like it's like i didn't really have a choice

i just was like responding to like what was all around me so like black culture church culture and then tv culture like those are like my big three it's just like blackness is like the richest most influential culture like everyone wants to beat us but also be us and so like from that like strife and also that like poaching, like we just have such a bounty. Like it's like I, part of why I feel like unimpressive is because the people in my like, you know, horrible Baltimore neighborhood all like are winning and humorous and can sing and like can moonwalk and split

and you know, death drop. I mean, it's just like, it flows in our blood. So I feel like that like, that like is something that like I honestly kind of took for granted and how it like plays into my talent. Just being like, no, I am blessed with the inheritance of like, of culture. Oh my God. That is a fucking answer.

I love that. I am blessed with the inheritance of culture. Blessed with the inheritance. Of culture. And speaking of blessings, the church. So, you know, they're singing down and they're singing down in Pentecostal church. They are. They are.

And actually, that kind of stunted my growth because I wanted to sing in the church and I actually wasn't good enough because the singers are so good. Okay. Now, Pentecostal is... Yes. It's the whole bit. The whole bit. The whole thing.

Yeah. Everything bad you could think of. Really? Yeah. So, all of it. Do we want to talk about it? What do you want to do? Okay.

I want to ask we want to talk about it what do you want to do okay i want to ask is okay well what was your way of reckoning with that as an adult because i find this to be like a deeply deeply fascinating question that most people have an answer to in some way where most people who like grew up religious um what was your way as an adult of like sort of extricating yourself from that because i feel like there's just some some trauma in that you know just just just intrinsic of itself yeah no there's so much trauma and like as like recently as like three weeks i've just like begun to like perform like physical therapy on myself in terms of just like cranial fascial like loosening of like those traumas and And I was like, why am I holding onto this stuff that like does not serve me? And like, like the anti-gayness, the like, honestly, like slave ship rhetoric that like is still handed out to like black women at

large and gay black men. So like the Bible was used in slavery, like to control the slaves. And so it's like, God says this, and then it's like god says this and then it's absolute and so like my mother god bless her heart is a great survivalist like she she put into me that fear of god and the fear of the law and like i that fear kept me alive to this point you know as a black man not getting like killed but i actually have to give life on stage every night and bring forth life so i've had to remove a lot of that fear that kept me alive and knowing that like you know what I can't control how the world

is going to receive me but I can control kind of in a way like if I'm accessing like the love inside of myself the true power yeah wow that is so amazing yeah the cranial fascia release so that little pouch you have is actually fascia you can just rub that out fascia. You can just rub that out.

You just have to rub it out. Literally. I rubbed it out and it felt amazing. Oh my God. And now I won an Emmy. No, you're cut. You're a cut cunt, honey. Matt, now you're even hotter.

What more can you need? Wait, what are you feeling? Are you feeling like you need to be Marvel? Like, are you changing brands? I need to be Marvel. I need to be in a superhero film. No, what is cut mean for you? What's the drive? Shredded.

I would like to look in the mirror and feel good. Look, don't give me that. Stop it. HPJ is shaking his head. It's all relative. I always agree with HPJ. We're on this couch together. Betterment is in the eye of the beholder. And that is that.

Okay. I know that that's the summer of cunt. I just want to feel not as tired all the time. That's all I'm saying. You know what I mean? And then look in the mirror and be like, maybe I don't feel so tired because I, you know, standing up a little bit straighter.

Even just this week, working out a little bit, I feel my back straightening. I feel myself slouching less, which is good. No, same, same. I've been vegetarian for the past three weeks. I started keeping a food diary. Yeah, I was going to, like, play this diva at, like, a concert venue, and it was a thing.

And so I was, like, very much, like, in a process of, like, becoming that person. Like, I was, like, yeah, just to be, like, fit and, like, you know what I mean? And feel comfortable and, like, be, like, awesome. You know, same in the behind the be Yes, you were telling us about that. Yeah, just to be fit and feel comfortable and be awesome. Same in the behind the beholder. Yes. I've tried to eat clean and I do.

I feel great. Good. It feels better. But what doesn't feel good is denying yourself things like you want a slice of pizza or something and they're like, no, bitch, no. Don't eat it. It's bad.

But it's not saying you can never eat pizza again. Yeah, it just saying i get the sugar not not all day every day not all day every day but i but i do want to go back to something you just said which i think is something that people at home can can access within themselves as well oh people people i think are listening okay um which is the fear of being everything that makes you brilliant because your history has told you that's going to get you in trouble. Yeah. That is something really powerful. Or it's this thing of unlearning this instinct of, or whatever, unlearning this message that's been sort of shouted at you from above of just like, that's not for you, that's for them. That's for them.

Yeah, and who is that person? You're not me, bitch. I'm president of my body. I'm the kingdom of Laryondia, bitch. Yes, Laryondia. Yeah, Laryondia. I want to book a trip there. How much for five nights, six days?

Honestly, it's probably like $10 at Caveat July 19th. Like, that is the that is it that's larion oh my god all right so listen we've we talked so much about how fucking brilliant you are i would like a taste of that in fact i don't want just a taste i want the whole bit okay okay yeah so i think we should perform this very first song um and this is a track which was composed. Well, you bring this. You bring it to life here because I don't know this specific. This is the very first song I've ever written in my life.

I wrote the music and the lyrics. Henry Kapurski arranged it. And he'll be playing it on this track. And it's inspired by someone that we all know and love. I was with Sydney Washington. And I was complaining about how I'll never fall in love. And actually, I downloaded CoStar app. And I put in my Washington and I was complaining about how I'll never fall in love. And actually I downloaded CoStar app and I put it in my sign and my astrology said,

you'll never fall in love. And so Sydney was like, but sometimes people are just like, not meant to be people like, look at Oprah. And so I was like, that's not comforting Sydney. But then I wrote this song. So it is like, yeah, it is Oprah. Oprah down.

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I'm Oprah Winfrey. I have a Stedman. I am my own husband. I am my own husband. I have a Stedman. I don't need a husband. Who says that Mother Earth needs to have a womb? I am the mother of America I define you Who am I? I'm Oprah

I'm Oprah Winfrey World's first black female billionaire Who am I? You better fucking know already. Throw those O's up in the air. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Pro. I'm a Stepman, stepman, stepman, stepman, stepman, stepman You finna be my fake husband or you could be a dead man

Multiple choices and you still chose this life, but you also know that I ain't never, ever, ever going to be your wife. Hey, step in, step in, step in, step in, step in, step man. Tongue me feather light or make it heavy like some lead man. All men are greedy and you're a dirty pup. So lap it up, eat it up, steady, put it in the cup. I don't need a husband. I am a husband. Oh, I have a Stedman. Do you have a husband? Do you have a Stedman? Oh, you are the Stedman. I don't need a husband. I am a husband. Oh, I have a stedman And when the wind is free You best believe that wind free

Will relieve the pain That rains down upon us through sieves. I speak life into you. Redundantly, you'll live. March on. Read books. Check beneath your chairs. The color purple

Alice Walker my favorite thing Chicago Tom Cruise oh's got nothing left to lose but again that pain still a little cast aside black woman

part of me remains From that pudgy little brown girl Back in Kikuski, Mississippi Who would always watch the TV Even when my mama couldn't love me. Now I am Mother Earth, so you already fucking know. My Oprah declares a Legends Ball. Oh my God. Legends Ball, bitch.

You are invited to the next one, honey. You better be at the next Legends of all, hun. Yeah. Larry. I mean, come on. That was the story of her life. And just so virtuosic and so, so well done. I mean, damn.

Such a compelling performance. Performance. Yeah. It's really, it's crazy. It's similar to, you know, we've had people come into the studio before and do episodes like this, the musical episodes, and you

have to seek them out and watch them perform live because that just brings a nice level. I mean, like, you are a fucking actress. Yeah, I'm sweating on this couch, definitely. That was my first time I've ever done it. That was the debut of this song. I'm actually going to go to a show and do it live right after this. So I'm excited to see what happens.

Wow, we are thrilled to have it. Also, it will gag the whole of the children. I hope so. My wig is bad for right now. Are you going to be wigged while you perform it? Yes, honey. Half of the work is the wig. I am the Colas Gola of black women. You are.

I won't say it again. I sometimes say that I'm the coluscola of young white girls. Interesting. And Bowen. I'm the coluscola of Asian female editrices. Yes, editrices. I was going to say Asian female literary figures. Hanya, Michiko.

Who else can we add? Those are the two. Also Alexander Wang, who in a way creates words with fashion. Absolutely. Okay, bitch. That was unreal. Unbelievable. And by the way, he was sitting in the fucking sofa the whole time.

He did that sitting, y'all. I'm like lounged back and I think it made it harder. Bitch. Oh my God. It was so good. When I stand up, there is going to be a fucking print of me like a sweat print of me yes

like a swampy back Ronnie better never wash that out of that couch it's rose water it's rose water it's holy Ronnie just said

he loves it he mouthed it and I saw it he said I love it he saw it what did you think of that performance you're amazing

you're amazing beautiful thank you HBJ, for that. Oh, my God. Thank you, Henry, for making that track and for arranging the fuck out of that. He snuck in while we were recording because he's going to live accompany the next one. Hello, Henry. Hi, Henry.

Thank you for having me again. Well, it's great to have you here. You did a wonderful job recording that track. It was so awesome that you pre-recorded it because I've never got to watch Larry because I've always been playing. And I was staring at him the whole time. Yes. What do you think, Henry? That's your first time seeing it. Did it work?

Yes. Okay. Yes. I'm so nervous. That's incredible. Yeah, it's like a big show that I'm on tonight. For me, for me, like, you know, six months in comedy, me, I'm like, oh my God, why am I on this lineup? And so I'm afraid. That's another thing. It's like it takes so long to get comfortable performing your own work in front of people,

and there's so much success and failure. And it's true. The truncated nature of how much everyone loves you and your work now, it's so impressive. I'm so nervous to go do this live. I hope that the wig doesn't kill it. No, no, no. No, it's going to kill it.

No, it never rests on the wig. Look, Henry, before you got here, we spent a good amount of time sort of just lifting you up and talking about how you brought us together. Oh, it's true. And how you are very emblematic and representative of the inclusiveness

of this community. That's so nice. He plays for all the icons. Plays for every icon. Catherine Cohen, Cola Scola. You hit Henry behind the head. Larry Owens.

Oh my God. I got Hen. You know, it was a coup, but I got him. No, that night at the duplex will go down in history.

It's so funny because he wasn't even here and we were talking about it. We were talking about that night. We spent like 100 minutes talking about it. Guys, I think it was December 18th, 2016. I think I didn't know it because on this day, I took a picture.

On this day, I'm like so gay about it. Oh, I said it. That's really brave of you to say gay. No, but say it derogatory, but meaning that I'm just obsessive over it. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh my God. We love lore. We love mythos.

We love- Yes. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh my God, like we love lore. We love mythos. We love, you know what I mean? We love lore. And like that the stars were like, walk in. We ended up, my friend Jordan and I ended up at the duplex because I did not have my ID

and we knew that we could like just kind of skirt on in. Skirt on in. But like, and we did make being like, you know, very legal. And so like,

that's how we could have been anywhere that night. And I like that the title of this app will be mythos and grander. Mythos and lore. Mythos and lore. Mythos and lore. Mythos and lore. But it's true,

Henry. We were talking about how, you know, it was very much, you know, like a community that was really surrounded around you. I'll listen to the app. You don't have to repeat it.

Yeah. That's so nice. We want your real time reaction. We want to do a real time reaction. I'll listen to the ep. You don't have to repeat it. Yeah. No, that's so nice. We want your real-time reaction. We want to do a real-time reaction. I'm blushing. That's so sweet and amazing to hear. Tell them about your show that's coming up. Oh, I have a solo show called Halo Pop,

and I'm doing my sixth and final performance on June 12th at the good old Duplex. Yes, bitch. On Christopher Street at nine 30. Um, and it's the last time I'm doing it. My parents are coming and this show is very important to me and it represents like a huge shift in my life.

And I think that everyone could get something out of it if I can be so bold to say that. Yes. And so you should come if you're free that night. It's a beautiful show. I wept. I saw it three times. I cried every time's a beautiful show I wept I saw it three times I cried every time I wept I like put my head on the brick wall

of the duplex and I was just like Henry why are you doing this to me and it was like the marriage of the stories and songs and like the way oh my god you're like a mascot of inclusivity and like that's what that show is like you just like champion oh my god wow I really needed this

Henry and I Henry and I have been talking lately and Henry has really changed my way of thinking, just approaching a lot of things. Wow. Just even over just one interaction that we've had, it's changed everything. And in addition to the show and everything that you do and your work,

but I'm just saying this is the effect Henry has. And this is my first time meeting him and I'm very excited to see where this goes can we talk Larry can we talk about something

this is Ronnie's nightmare yeah no we clip how many times did I clip during the song zero my technique technique I didn't mean to cut you off bitch go no no no no I'm saying Ronnie's nightmare. Yeah, no, we clip. How many times did I clip during the song? Zero. Okay, bitch. Technique. Technique.

I didn't mean to cut you off, bitch. Go. No, no, no, no, no. I'm saying, Larry, I want to talk about this. Speaking of mythos and lore, and sort of you introducing this Oprah song, are you convinced that you are not going, that you will not find love?

Because I have, for a very long time, convinced that you are not going that you love that you you will not find love because i have for a very long time projected that story and that narrative onto myself and i'm very slowly trying to unlearn that and can i read a tweet that you tweeted at me this weekend because i relate to it no no i don't have to wait no read it i don't know what i said i can't remember this was this was okay this is me retweeting a tweet that Patty tweeted. Patty Harrison tweeted, the good thing about using dating apps in New York and LA

is matching with cis men who say things like, hey, not actually attracted to trans, but would love to grab coffee and pick your brain about getting into comedy sometime. I can't even.

Because I have a disease where reading that is actually how I nut. So that's Patty. It's a disease. It's a really specific, but actually fatal disease. You nut and then you die. You nut. So rest in peace, Patty. It's a disease. It's a really specific, but actually fatal disease. You nut and then you die.

So rest in peace, Patty. It's a disease. It's a cum based disease. So she died nutting to cis straight men being insane. And then our friend Millie Tamerez replied, do you know how many dates I have been on that were just informational interviews?

Larry, Larry says it's, it's an epidemic. And then you say this. This is Larry Owens. My version of this. I play culture nanny to a gay person as they laugh slash key slash lap up my intellectual property for

hours at an event and then I romanticize myself and then they turn into an iPhone that someone just dropped into water. Oh my god. Yeah, no, there is a spontaneous combustion of like when I'm like so there's like so you you're taught like how to flirt you watch it in film and you and you're taught like how to like communicate you know i'm a very great communicator like if i will not accept any

compliment but i will say that i fucking went to steppenwolf and studied from actual geniuses who like you know so i'm like i know what human behavior is so like i'm giving off of flirty vibe and then i have i always i will never i will never i've never been pursued romantically or like proposition romantically so i have to then put myself in the seat of the what is what do we call it um dominant i don't like aggressor honey because i'm black dominant so then i have to become dominant in the situation and be like hey blah blah blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah. And then all of that like warmth and reciprocity from when it was, you know what I mean? Like for all pockets.

Like we go from like humor to self-help to pop culture to family life. I read the eyes off of you and I invite you in. You know what I mean? And then it's immediately like, oh, good, good. Like literally just like the eyes like jolt and then the body shuts down and then we just have to keep it moving. But Larry, this is what you have to remember. That has everything to do with them and not with you. No, no, no. Right?

I mean like, okay, good, good, good. Yeah, but Bowen, what do I do? This is? My horoscope said that this is actually my lot, which actually gave me a lot of freedom. I was like, oh, okay. So that, it's true. Like it's some people, Oprah included. Yes.

You know what I mean? Myself, I can lump myself in with your cohort. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to sing about it later. I'm going to sing all about this. Wow. Well, anyway, I didn't mean to bring the conversation down. No, it's easier for me to sing about it. Like, it's like, it depletes me. Like, I'm I didn't mean to bring the conversation down. No, it's easier for me to sing about it. Like, it's like...

No, it's... It depletes me. Like, I'm at my wit's end. Like, I don't know what else to do. It's gotta be exhausting. Like, I've literally... I gave a show for all people. I threw my phone number on the back wall and was like, hi.

Like, it was like, you know what I mean? Like, so that's like a funny way. And then there are sincere ways. And then there are direct ways. There are indirect ways of, like, pursuing your goals in life. Like, I met them all except for one just like wow wow i it's completely different with me obviously like like no no set of circumstances is the same for any two people but yeah like relate to that so hard yeah yeah gay people are trash anyway and i want to call out into your subconscious and say

that if you're listening and you're a gay person all of your romantic desires came from a fat ass white fucking skid mark underwear executive person that is who decided that the two people who fell in love in that movie were going to sell the most by looking the most like people on ads and all of that is based in white supremacy and so the fact that you can't see me as a non-thin non-white non-rich person as sexual means that you're absolute fucking trash and the moment that you open up your eyes to seeing the true sensual beauty of me. I'll allow. Wow. I'll allow.

I'll allow. Maybe that's title of app. I'll allow. I'll allow. I'll allow. Okay. Take my power back. I'll allow.

I'll allow. Oh my God. Can I say something? Go. I think everyone in this room needs to delete the fucking apps. Okay? Delete the apps. Henry's nodding.

I deleted mine about a year ago. Yeah. And my life, I mean, I've done a lot of work on changing my life, but that has been a huge part of it. Absolutely. I don't think this is the solving factor. No, but it is poison that you would remove from your world. It is true poison yeah but for me as the chronic single person like if i like sympathetically try to talk to someone i'm like

i'm in this they're like are you on do you put yourself out there as if that's are you on the apps yeah but i think that that do you put yourself out there is is whatever that's a question but then to follow that up with are you on on the apps? Is this weird? Then like A to B, which is like, why do we have that B? The apps are trash. They're disgusting. They are designed so that people can engage with you and if they don't get exactly what they

want, if you can't project exactly what they want, then they are out. And guess what? Some people are fucking, like you said, trash. No, I'm dying because actually I was doing some talent work for an app and then got rejected. Oh, bitch. I know what you're talking about.

I got rejected by a gay app corporation. It was honestly, it was not even a blip in my 2018. It was fine. I know what you're talking about. It would not have made her a birthday. I felt the irony but like I was like okay I don't think they're healthy I just deleted them all

I don't think they're healthy I think that they are a place where people go to be the worst base versions of themselves and it ain't good and I don't shame anyone that's like found love on them but like you know it's not like that for everyone especially i don't

know grinder is just like about your experience my experience on it yeah no like do you find like how is finding love for you um you know what not finding love like henry and i met when let's just talk about flirting okay so you met you met organically we met organically in a live show and that was an over two year relationship and you know

not that I was proud that we met not on the apps but I felt good about the fact that and I felt like I proved to myself

you can meet someone out there but I'm gonna be honest with you all the frustrations I have about the dating apps they can't possibly compare to what you guys go through because well I was not saying that I genuinely want to be honest with you. All the frustrations I have about the dating apps, they can't possibly compare to what you guys go through because I was not saying that. I genuinely want to know because I might also

be projecting a thing onto you. I don't know. Which is what I'm realizing I'm doing a lot of the time to white people. Yeah, exactly. I've had to give non-judgmental acceptance to white people as a way of healing myself. I've spent a like give nonjudgmental acceptance to white people as a way of healing myself.

I've spent a lot of time just not giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying, well, you have it so much easier. And like they do. Yes. Theoretically. But also. Whatever. Whatever. It's fine.

I have no idea. You know, it's like, it's like, I'm not even going to like go, go that far and like go to, go to that mental place anymore. Yeah. Cause it's like, I don't know what they're fucking dealing with. It just, it just takes up our time. Yes. It takes up our POC. We have Because it's like, I don't know what they're fucking dealing with. It just takes up our time. Yes. It takes up our POC brave line.

I know, I know. We have all of this POC stress. I know. We have like a helmet on us that is all of the stuff that we wear that was given to us that a white person

never has to deal with. And so what we have to do is we have to crack that thing open. Everyone has to crack it. And like take the pieces off. It's going to happen one by one. It won't be a whole removal

because that is hundreds of years of systemic oppression or I don't even know what your diaspora is specifically. Sure, sure, sure. You know, you have to take it off piece by piece. You gotta crack the helmet and take it off piece by piece, honey. Babe, I love this cracked helmet analogy. I keep going, honestly.

I want a lifestyle brand. LOL. Larry Owens Lifestyle. Larry. Yes, come on! I think everyone would want that. Yeah, we have towels. That is beautiful. I need towels, so. Larry, yes, come on. I think everyone would want that. Yeah, we have towels. That is beautiful. I need towels. Larry, you are even more elevated than a performer.

You are an orator, I believe. I can hear you talk about anything. Yeah, I'm so excited to do the college circuit next year. Just like Brown graduation. Oh, wait, you simply must. You must do that. I do that like you're saying and making a joke but i'm like no i think you would absolutely slay and decimate no i mean now being single again like it's you know it's still frustrating but it's frustrating for different reasons like like when you go on grinder and like you see everyone's body, it's like, how can everyone's body look like that? Yeah.

You're telling me that every person's body looks like this? There's some liars. There's some trickery. Bowen, talk about your desires. What kind of men do you like? I still believe that I don't have a type, but what I identify with you is this idea that rarely am I pursued. But also, I have created a lot of untruths around my struggles, too.

Like, I've... Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Okay, so you're open. But true or false? What? yeah yeah i don't know okay okay so you're open but true or false what do you feel that society has almost like not successfully but like almost made you feel like this is the attractive thing and it is white thin muscular oftentimes like like either tall dark and handsome

or like a blonde beach boy yeah like these are one of the two things even if you're white and like you have red hair you're like fuck that bitch you know i mean it's just like it's so specific and then all of a sudden you go on these apps and that's what everyone appears to look like and it's it's very intimidating and crazy but true or false like that does eek in yes and one time joel friend of the pod joel cambooster texted me um he had just in this panel in san francisco with like asian performers or something and he texted me out of nowhere he was like wow this guy in the panel like this gay dude on this gay asian dude on the panel um who grew up in chinatown in san francisco talked about how he had never internalized any idea of like

attractiveness that was like outside of his own body. Like it was just like, it's like, Oh no, like you're, you're attractive. Yeah.

He felt of worth his entire life. And it was like a unique, like shocking experience for an Asian person. Yeah. That's insane and horrid. And I hate life so much because of that. But there was like someone who was like, I'm fine.

I did like, so I was watching porn early, like we all were with the computers and so like i kind of sensed that they wanted me to want one thing and so i i with my like you know little like precocious pornographic sense i was like i'm gonna decolonize my sexual desire so like i made sure just to really spread it and i think it's like i was doing the work back then yeah it's just funny when you go to like the porn sites and the categories are like otter twink redhead black black asian asian and then it's just like salt and pepper young daddy scrub-a-dub-dub no scrub-a-dub-dub scrub-a-dub-dub

is not a real category but on some side honestly I do think that if I fell more neatly into a gay subset I would not have

as many problems I'm like like you know I code switch too much to be a black person I'm like no

not musk one like a bear twinks are a different type of yeah you know what I mean and this much to be a black person. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Like a bear. Twinks are a different type of. Yeah. You know what I mean? And this is why I think we need to disenfucking gauge because from from all that shit, because literally Grindr makes you identify with a tribe.

Yeah. And it's like, why the fuck is that a thing? I don't know. It's what they do. I've come to find that there are there there is a certain type of sapiosexual out there. Someone who is purely attracted to intellect. I don't know. Where are they?

But I feel it. I feel that they're out there and that they're going to come to you. Great. Baited breath. Oh, bitch. Baited breath. Larry. Hey.

I find hope through song. Yeah. That's beautiful. And this bitch wants to sing a song. Yeah. Everything we just talked about. Larry Hey I find hope through song Yeah That's beautiful Yeah And this bitch wants to sing a song Yeah Everything we just talked about I'm sorry

I'm just gonna sing about it I brought it up I'm sorry No I'm fine going to the places I'm an actor First We're gonna go to the places

Right now Let's go Henry is gearing up Okay so is this another original song And we're gonna be tearing No No we're gonna navigate through My two favorite musical theater composers

One owns my heart. The other owns my mind. The first is William Finn and the second is Stephen Sondheim. Sure. So we're going to start with, oh, this is a, it's a, it's a composite bitch. It's an arrangement by Henry Kapurski. Thank you very much. This is a Henry Kapurski original arrangement.

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Love me for what I am, not what I try to be. Love me for what I am, not what I try to be. Love me for what I am, not what I try to be. Love me for what I am, not what I try to be. A person who likes to lie too much, I try too much to impress other people, often my inferiors. Oh, could you like a girl like that? Could you like a girl like that? Could you hold her in your arms? Could you like a girl like that? Could you like a girl like that? Could you like a girl like that? We lay in bed, he plays dead I play a game with sound and light

And after weeks, guess who speaks Darling, he says we might survive the night Love me for what I am, not what I try to be Love me for what I am, not what I try to be. Love me aware of being alive, being alive. Somebody need me too much. Somebody know me too much. Somebody know me too well. Somebody pull me up short and put me through hell. And give me support for being alive.

Make me alive, make me alive, make me confused, mark me with praise. Let me, let me be used, vary my days but alone is alone not alone Somebody crowd me with love Somebody force me to care Somebody help me come through I'll always be there

As frightened as you To help us survive. Being alive. Being alive. Being alive. No love Wow. Wow, thank you so much for that. That was incredible! Larry.

Henry. That was amazing, and you shredded on that, bitch. He got me through those two worlds, honey. I mean, Larry just... We never really discussed the arrangement. I just always... Larry's energy just truly moves my fingers. I swear, I don't even know what's happening.

You connect with it as a listener, too. Really. You are such an amazing storyteller and such an amazing, emotive, incredible, special performer. We're so lucky to have fucking cool friends like Larry and Henry. And you're the best. You're the best. Makes me dream come true.

That's something that those two songs I've known my entire life. And I have someone arrange it for me and people asking me to sing it. Oh, beautiful. You're the arranger though like yeah i played it i swear i'm not even like thinking you're like telling me what to do with your voice and like there's like little cells in my brain that i don't know like it's you the sensibility we got that's not common henry right that's like that's rare yeah no it's it's x factor it's xactor does it happen when

Bowen sings Bang Bang no oh my gosh no it doesn't Henry it does it thrills me like

no I think at this point I'm like God Henry must be so fucking sick every sick of me doing

no Bowen I would play that for you every day no can we get a little right now for the people oh my god

you need to it doesn't have to be now but you must treat the listeners too. I need a listen. Someday. Wait, do we want a diva tag? Okay, what is diva tag? Let's talk about diva tag. Diva tag is a queer sport.

It's where you have a song and we all just tag off on the verses. Who can sing and I'm telling you off the way through? No one. So you diva tag. Okay, bitch. Not that song. That's a great example. I feel like I'm a little out of my depth.

Well, what if it was a nice low song written for Idina Menzel? No, I'm just saying lyrically. I'm not that girl. Lyrically. You know I'm not that girl? Oh, I know I'm not that girl. Yeah. Make it up.

I wouldn't even tag I'm not that girl you guys both sang I'm not that girl playing Miranda Priestly's daughter yeah in my production of Devil Wears Prada

did we sing I'm not that girl is that what we sang oh my god oh my god we did sing I'm not that girl did we play Miranda's

daughters I thought we played we played Miranda's daughter oh yes and you also played her like assistants yeah we had multiple roles who played who played Miranda's Daughters. Oh, yes. And you also played her assistants.

Yeah, we had multiple roles. Who played Miranda? John Juan? That was Pat Regan. Who played Anne Hathaway? Mateo Lane. Mateo, oh my God. Amanda Shackman was Emily Blunt. That was such a great time.

Yes, Amanda Shackman was Emily Blunt and she sang No Good Deed. Lisa Trager was Adrienne Grenier. Wait, maybe we should do No Good Deed I don't know No Good Deed You don't know No Good Deed? I don't know it that well Okay last 16 of Defying Gravity

We all know it from the lead up In a nice key for us We can't We can do a step lower So if you care to find me Matt No, it's too hard It's too hard

Has someone told me lately? Yeah, me what? It's too hard Okay, wait, wait, wait Tag me, tag me No, wait, hold on, hold on This is the first time I've played this So if I'm flying solo

So I gotta say the name. Babe, you put me over here in the Howard Stern booth. So I can't tap you. But that's my version. That's the way he's doing it. Do you want me to gesticulate? I can go boom and boom. Is that clean?

Let's gesticulate. But could it be lower? No, this keyboard has six keys on it. That's true. This is like a tritone below the original. Oh my God. That's not dirty to me. I mean. That's true. This is like a tritone below the original. Oh my God. God. Dirty to me.

I mean, that's really. So if you care to find me, look to the western sky. Larry. As someone told me lately, everyone deserves a chance to. Matt. So. I'm flying solo. at least i'm flying free to those who ground me take a message back from me this is not right

wait this is so all over the place i know it's a bus matt it's okay you're one of those people that i thought knew the lyrics to every song. I do, but now the thing is, you know what happens is when a key changes, I get very nervous and freaked out. Oh my God. It's okay. No, I get it. I get it.

The musicality. Yeah. It's the last piece of the puzzle. But I'm very happy that we're being this vulnerable with the listeners. I think that was fun. That's what I do with my friends. Are we keeping all this? I squawked those notes, bitch.

I need it. Did you hear me go? No, babe, I saw it. I saw your neck. I was concerned. Guys, I promise you I can sing. I have done shows where I've sang and been the featured singer. Yeah, you have an amazing Christmas show.

Can I please be in it? This is my house. You have to be in it. Have you heard of Christmas? Have you heard of Christmas? I want to potentially do it at a new venue. But I want to start thinking about it soon. You can absolutely be in it.

We should do a duet. I'll write an original song for us. Oh, yes. Stop it. That'd be fun. And really get blown away. Yes, Christmas. Christmas culture was big for me growing up, too.

I love the idea of taking Christmas so seriously that you make an album for money. No, babe. Christmas is every... I can't. I just can't. Christmas is like the one time of year that I got to not feel black because you had stuff, everyone acted nice and well-adjusted, and I was like,

oh my god, like on TV! You get the things you need and everyone smiles! You get the things you need! I feel that hard. Alright, so we have to move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. We have to. Wait, are we not going to do a full diva tag. I feel that heart. All right. So we have to move on to I Don't Think So Honey. We have to. Wait,

are we not going to do a full diva tag? I think we owe it to ourselves. What do we have? Okay, so it has to be a male song because- Larry has to go.

Larry has a show. Oh, okay. All right. No, they don't start until 820. I told Marsha. Okay.

Can we do Let Me Be Your Star at least? Okay. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. Okay,

fine. We can do it. Henry knows the key we like. And then, but then the duet part in the end. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, fine. We can do it. Henry knows the key we like. And then, but then it's the duet part in the end. Wait. Oh my God, bitch.

Where is, how is that going to work? We'll all kind of just take it, bitch. Yeah. We'll all take it. Great, great, great. Wow, I can't believe

we're going to do this. Here we go. Is it starting with me because I'm Catherine? Uh-oh, bitch. I'll take it at the top. You do it. Fade in. Fade in. F, bitch. I'll take it at the top. You do it. Fade in.

Fade in. Fade in. Oh, girl. With a song. No, I don't know the lyrics. Hunger for fame. And a face and a name to remember. The past fades away.

Because as of this day Norma Jean's gone She's moving on Her smile and her fantasies Play your duet That will make you forget where you are The music starts playing That won't make you forget where you are. The music starts playing.

It's all here in my heart saying, let me be your star. Couldn't do the falsetto on that note. Flashback to a girl with a song in her heart as she's waiting to start the adventure. The drama, the rhyme that makes dreams

come alive. They fill her soul. She's in control. The drama, the laughter My favorite lyric, the tears Just like Pearl They're all in this girl's repertoire It's all for the taking

It's all here and my heart's quaking Let me be your star! Nevermind! I just have to forget the hurt that came before Forget what used to be The past is on the cutting room floor The future is here with me! Choose me

Paint all upon a star With it all in her sight All the love and the light that surround her Someday she'll think twice Call Teresa's everyone Of the dues and the price She'll have to pay

She'll have to pay She'll have to pay Not today, but not today She'll do all she can For the love of one man And for millions of From afar And what you've been needing It's all here and my heart's bleeding

Let me be your star Star Yes! How do we even do I Don't Think So Honey now? That was it. As you hit the last note the street light outside came on oh my god

the button it buttoned the song the light honey God's timing is not our time honey HPJ are the fans gonna be mad or are they gonna love

are you kidding oh my god wait we have to do quick quick I don't think so honey to get Larry out of time for the show it takes three minutes

it's a timed act yes we're gonna to do it. I have a good one. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey. Everyone being like, ooh, ABC, amazing job for canceling Roseanne, bitch. That's like leaving your house with every lit

candle burning, coming back and then calling the fire department when the house is on fire. Bitch, you knew what you were doing by putting her on television. What fuck did you expect was gonna happen she was posing in nazi garb doing bullshit and also i don't think so honey if you say well what about kathy griffin and the donald trump head because one is punching up and one is punching down rosanne constantly punches down she's always punching down with her humor and also she tweeted a while back about the michelle wolf thing huh this is why you never go for someone who's more famous than you in the constantly punches down. She's always punching down with her humor. And also she tweeted a while back about the Michelle Wolf thing.

This is why you never go for someone who's more famous than you in the crowd. You lose the crowd every time. Yeah, bitch, because you punch down. If you think that for one second, she knows what it's like to be Roseanne Conner. She doesn't. She hasn't been Roseanne Conner for over 30 years.

So she had that show. I don't think so, honey. ABC being patted on the back for doing the exact ruck fucking right thing. And also, not for nothing, but Wanda Slikes left before the cancellation

was announced. And the granddaughter was going to leave before the cancellation was announced. They weren't doing the right thing. They were canceling

something that was already imploding. And that's one minute and eight seconds. Wow. I just feel like it's like, wow, ABC, amazing, swift job.

It's like, no no when someone acts out they get fired it's not not pat on the back to the corporation it's like hello they put it on there anyway yeah wow yes yes it shouldn't have been on the air amazing anyway am I

no that checks out okay cool we love like I have nothing to add that was very replete. Thank you, bitch. That's it. No, we've all been in this. Yeah, okay. We're all in this.

All right, so this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. San Francisco hotels. Bitch, you are too expensive, honey. The only thing that was in my price range and wasn't a fucking den of sin was this hotel that

seems fine, but it's very much like a low frill, no frills, hostile situation. I'm fine. I won't even be spending that much time in my lodgings when I'm there over the weekend, but bitch, it's too expensive. And for San Francisco rents to be even higher than rents in New York City, who do you think you are?

You are not a cultural nexus. You are not the cultural nexus. You are not the cultural nexus of this country, San Francisco. No, you have a bunch of fucking nerds walking around and some lovely people in Oakland and Berkeley, of course. I don't like

the culture in San Francisco and how it's completely destroyed the... It's a completely cost-prohibitive city. It's the most cost-prohibitive like the culture in San Francisco and how it's completely destroyed the, um, the, the, the, it's, it's,

it's, it's, it's a completely cost prohibitive city. It's the most cost prohibitive city in this country in the Western hemisphere, shall I even say? So I don't think so many San Francisco hotels I'm staying in at the Bartlett hotel,

which, you know, could be better, honestly. And that's one minute and seven seconds. Okay. All right. That's beautiful.

You know, we're all playing with the form here today. We are. I know, at Life's Unloosed. Before we go to Larry, who will finish it off, I want to give you the option of doing one. Would you like to do an I Don't Think So Honey, Henry? You've done one every time.

Sure. Okay, he wants to do an I Don't Think So Honey. This is Henry Kapersky. Do you want us to wait, hold off, stall a little bit? I'll do one. You have it, you have it. Yeah. Okay, this is Henry Kapersky's I Don't Think So Honey's Time Starts Now.

I don't think so honey people, they get upset at the new Star Wars movies. What do you expect? They are for children. If we made them for you, they would suck. They would be so boring. Yes. And the old movies, the original trilogy is bad.

It's my favorite thing in the world. But it's not amazing. And you're acting like they're treasure. You're acting like it's my favorite it's my favorite thing in the world but it's not like amazing and you're acting like their treasure you're acting like it's the bible which is also not really great and we should just enjoy i saw solo last night and it was ridiculous it was stupid but i had fun because that's what i wanted out of it yeah and everyone was bad in it everyone but but i wouldn't recast a single person. It was fun, you know? And I think you should just don't see movies. If you need them to,

just watch the movie that you wanted in your head, I guess. Oh! That's all. Write the movie you want to write. And that's good. That's 53 seconds, which obviously offsets our going over time. Bowen's seven.

That's very beautiful and very true to who Henry is. I love it. He's pure of heart, and he wants everyone to just have fun and enjoy it and doesn't understand why it all has to be such a big problem. Just an unimpeachable human being. Star Wars is fun for kids. For kids. It's for

kids. Oh my god. And now it's time. I've never seen one. Is there a troll bowl here? Oh my god, bitch, do you want a troll bowl? I mean, it's either a troll bowl or I could, like, be messy. Can I, can we? I kind of want you to be messy. Put him in on the clock. Okay, this is

Larry Owens. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Bowen Yang. Talking about what I'm interested in. After that faithful night at the Duplex, I slid into your DMs. The first man I've ever messaged and asked on a date. And I said, can I go on a date with you?

And you said that you were liminally not into place. I had to look up liminally? How dare you say you're sapiosexual? I know that your desires are as colonized as anyone else's. You're talking a big talk, bitch. But what about that walk?

You know that I'm not just attracted to that mind, but that body, that spirit, that essence, all of it. Do Catherine Cohn and I have a pilot and a character named Owen Chen that I'm not just trapped in that mind, but that body, that spirit, that essence, all of it. Do Catherine Cohn and I have a pilot and a character named Owen Chen that I hate? Yes, we do. Is it above board?

No. Is it happening? Yes. Oh my God. 20 seconds. 15 seconds. Don't think so honey do you need some more time to go on about San Fran hotels

you have 7 more seconds about San Fran hotels so maybe it actually wouldn't work out that was really aggro oh my god I'm so happy you went that way fucking troll bowl. You just trolled the whole bowl.

Honey, messy. I live for it. This episode was wild, crazy, full of thoughtfulness and wild abandon. Intellectual, but yet physical. Verbally physical.

Oh my God. How do you feel? Are you on the spot? I'm sorry. You put me on the spot earlier too. I feel like that made it raw a little bit. I'm so glad you did that. Okay.

I'm glad. Okay. We'll talk. Okay. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. What an incredible episode.

This is an incredible episode. And now the world will go to Larry's shows in July what's the show in July July 19th Larry's musical breakdown with Henry Kapersky

if I can afford him we gotta check the checks Henry's new tagline is does the check clear exactly she needs to be compensated for his work Henry does the check clear

Kapersky literally I would rather pick someone that I would not pay than to pay Henry not his worth that is how staunch I am

about respecting the talent the bitch is making money yes and must and August 2nd at 54 below August 2nd putting it all together it is the music

of Stephen Sondheim the only time you'll ever see it classically through the black lens the black queer lens we do the songs in the original form

we don't change the arrangements we don't change words but all of it speaks with a new vitality that I think will be really really lovely to hear in 2018.

Hell yeah. Amazing. We love you. Watch Paid Off on TruTV. Oh my God, we didn't even get into it. It's a comedy game show, and the winner of each episode gets their student loans paid off in full. We're hoping to change the country so that you are not saddled with, it's you all. I don't have a BFA.

I have a certificate, so I don't have the 3040K, but I still work for the college show, honey. So watch Paid Off on TruTV. The ad should be going up at any moment. Hell yeah. Can't wait for that. You fucking rock. We love you. a certificate so I don't have the 3040k but I still work for the college show honey so watch paid off on true TV the ad should be going up at any moment hell yeah you fucking rock we love you we love you

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