Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "No New Penises" (w/ Melanie Lynskey)

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

It's festival season. It's allergy season. It's gala season. Divas down! We need an antihistamine for ALL of it. Enter Melanie Lynskey! One of the great acting talents of our time graces the pod to discuss Yellowjackets, The Last of Us, working with Jessica Biel, Matt Damon, Juliette Lewis, Jamie Babbit, Steven Soderbergh, Cate Blanchett and MORE, her husband Jason Ritter and their recent very honest visit to the Drew Barrymore Show, mastering accents and dialects, and transitioning from character roles to lead roles. Also, Coachella thoughts and reactions (including the Frank Ocean of it all), Blink 182 in retrospect, "stealth wealth", the release of the recent Wicked production stills, how "fanny" means "pussy" in British, and living with misophonia in the face of gum chewing. Yellowjackets has new episodes out now on Showtime, and new episodes stream Friday and air Sundays!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. All right, Bow. Now, we both have some topical things to discuss. We do. I think you have the more pertinent thing,

which is that you went to the big festival. Tell us about that. I wish to go to the festival, and I did go to the festival. The festival being the Coachella music festival. Yes. Um, I went,

I had, it was the first time I ever went. I'm back from the desert. I'm going to call my experience a nine out of 10. Wow. It was really wonderful in that, like it was a new experience and it was many good experiences. I will say it rotated between being the worst moments of my life.

And then like, it was like an hour of the best and then two minutes of the worst like when you're in like very so then that evens out to a nine out of ten you just brought it down to a nine but i experienced much culture there rosalia is unbelievable i mean it's just insane yeah and then i saw the chemical brothers do you know about them yeah the chemical brothers are true classic icons true classic icons they've been around chemical brothers have been around yeah i sort of got into a state and then watched them and it was really amazing lovely uh moona absolutely killed it it was so fun and emotional and moona boy genius came out

it was unbelievable. The one thing I'll say is, and I don't even know whether or not it's like, I don't think so, honey, but the Frank of it all, the Frank Ocean of it all. Right. So I was there very much experiencing the Frank Ocean breakdown as it was happening. And I would say it was almost too confusing

and concerning to be, I don't think so, honey level because there was so clearly something wrong and something going on that he just was that late was that lame and then left that abruptly it was just I felt bad for everyone that really went to that music festival just to see him which was a lot of people it felt like right it wasn't a good vibe i haven't quite dissected this for myself yet but it just i feel like as a viewing public we have seen a version of this happen not at this scale maybe um it's coachella but you know i feel like there are experiences where i've seen an artist i won won't name names, but I've seen an artist really like,

you know, when that does happen, it's like you can't really like jeer and boo because it's like, okay, that person, there's something going on that we can't really weigh in on and that's okay. And maybe that's the situation for Frank. Yeah. And there was no jeering or booing. It was more of sort of just like thousands

and thousands of people sort of being like, oh, hmm. Yeah. And then we all kind of left. They built a roller, not a roller skating rink. They built an ice skating rink for his performance on the stage and then had to melt the ice skating rink and break it down because he decided he didn't want it. And then came out and sang, I think, between five and six songs, but with long breaks in between. It was odd.

And also, you know, there's only three headliners and one of them is like, meh. Then it's kind of like, oh, and it's the Sunday night so that it ends on a bad note. But overall, it was really fun. Blackpink was in the area. They were very fun. Those girls really, they do have choreo down. And that's actually a rule of culture number 19. Blackpink, those girls, they really do have choreo

down. The four of them together, they simply dance in sync. They really do. I love that this was your first music festival. I've only been to one. It was at the now defunct Mile High Music Festival in 2009. This was years ago. And I have not gone back since.

You did break your no new gay men policy. I do want to point out you did meet some new gay people. And I feel like you've betrayed your own values. Okay, first of all, I don't need criticism from you. First of all, I don't need any policing from you, okay? Just before you

get into this right now and then transition into whatever it is you have been on, I don't need the criticism from you. I can reinstate gay men into my life at any pace. No, because you have a tone. You really do have a tone. No, there's no tone. I'm pretty neutral, I feel.

Okay, well, so far, so neutral. Now, what's going on with you, Beau? This just happened before we went on the Zoom. There is something going on with gay men in my life who I might have gone on one date with that, you know, was perfectly mid-fine. Mid. Maybe not gone on a date with. Maybe skipped to like the saucier parts and skipped the date altogether. Sometimes you skip right from the meeting to the sauciness.

And that's gay culture, unfortunately. And that's gay culture unfortunately and that's gay culture but there's there's there are men from all of these buckets who are in the last week reaching out to be like hey will you um host a gala for my work or something and i'm like i a gala i i not a gay gala but like they'll work at some I don't know they'll work at some company and they go we have this meeting this like retreat adjacent thing and they'll be like will you host it and I'm like I don't know what to say I haven't heard from you this is how you're gonna zombie me I don't think so honey it's this is not my I don't think so, honey. This is not my, I don't think so, honey. I have a totally different thing that feels also pertinent, but I don't know. I'm just noticing that. And I have to unfortunately dig further down into no new gay men policy for myself. That's just-

Because the thing that feels like is happening with you is that you meet a new gay man and suddenly they're asking you to host a gala. And I know that all the girls out there listening to this are sort of understanding. They say, I met a gay man too and they're asking you to host a gala. And I know that all the girls out there listening to this are sort of understanding. They say, I met a gay man too. They're asking me to host their gala. And I'm sure no one's going to feel extremely specifically targeted by this and listening. I never said that this was

a universal experience. I understand this to be pretty unique. I just think it seems universal on the other end where the unifying gay experience right now is to ask Bowen Yang to host your gala. And I don't think I can do it. And have you said no to all galas?

I have not said no to all galas. No, no, no. I'm not ruling out galas. I'm just noticing that there is this uptick of galas. Oh, yeah. This is gala season. It's gala season. People are sort of getting out their best gala gowns.

When is the Met Gala again? I think it's in two weeks. Oh, that's so soon. See what I'm saying? It's gala season. So we've sort of come out of Pisces season and into gala season. Mercury is going back in retrograde. No mistake there. No mistake. And can I just clarify, I don't like

gay men still. Since the beginning of this year, I don't like gay men anymore. I'm just willing to tolerate them in small groups. But you should have seen me at coachella but you would have been very well you went to coachella yeah well a gay man would sort of approach and i would sort of do this you stay over there keep it moving you'll go over there now you go over there is the slogan yeah keep it moving oh yeah keep it moving tweaker but here's the thing so we've both had our experiences at festivals and galas which so far is the title of app festivals and galas but but basically what's happening now is this is a moment in time for the podcast and for the culture at large i would say

bo absolutely and i i think it's relevant to bring up like our sort of general social malaise between you and I. I'm just like, I don't really want to like engage too much with people right now. What I will do is completely withdraw, retreat in a healthy way and watch everything our guest has been in. Literally watch every interview that is on YouTube of our guest. Because you described it as ASMR. It's ASMR. There's just something so... It feels like aquaphor.

It feels like something like an ointment. It feels like something that can heal. Do you know what I mean? I 100% do. Can I say, I think I've said this on the podcast before. But if you ever want to feel safe, just sit yourself down in front of the work of our guest and you will feel taken care of.

You will feel healed. You will feel entertained. And isn't that what you want out there? If you're listening to this podcast right now, do you not want to be entertained? If that's not the case, then don't watch our guests work. I mean, I don't know what to say. I said last week on the podcast, if you're not ready for a fucking 10,

then turn off the Melanie Linsky project if you're not ready for a 10. This is one of the coolest days we've had on the podcast so far. I can't believe it's just going to be a Wednesday drop. It doesn't follow weeks of fanfare. It's just going to be something we give to the readers on a Wednesday. These lucky fuckers. I am so excited. I mean, it's like literally fruitless to list all the credits.

What you need to know right now is that our guest is absolutely, as gay men say, we would know because we don't talk to them anymore. But turning the party divas down, we need to triage these divas that are collapsing on all sides of our guests on yellow jackets on showtime just a true legend bo a true legend i gosh i mean the the irony is that her work is healing even though recently of late it is brutal extremely violent between yellow jackets Jackets, between Candy, between The Last of Us, people are dying on these shows.

Left and right. Our guest is dying. Constantly murdered by entities. By either a mushroom guy or Jessica Biel. You never know. What would be worse well i guess we can ask our guest we'll ask our guest who is it worse to be murdered by that'll be the first

question we're so honored and thrilled she is here i briefly got to meet her earlier this last year it was the highlight of the emmy's night for me i was like i don't care what happens i got to meet her i got to meet jason i got to meet tanya i got to meet Tanya. I got to meet Julia. I met every, I got to meet oh my God, everybody. Oh my God. It was so special, but especially our guest. Christina was there. I couldn't believe it. We're so, so thrilled. Wow. Everyone

please welcome into your ears. Melanie Linsky! Wow. Oh my God, you guys. That's such a nice introduction. I can't believe it believe it well we had to basically after we tortured you with the mic setup we had to we had to do something right by you i tortured you with the mic setup no i tortured you i was i was not prepared with all the different things i'm so bad at it it's our responsibility to educate and we didn't do that

and i think we we failed you and doug thank god for doug doug was able to swoop in and save the day yeah doug did a wonderful job he's everybody educated me it was my fault only no we're putting this to you now who was it worse to be murdered by a sea of mushroom people or jessica beal A Sea of Mushroom People or Jessica Biel? Probably A Sea of Mushroom People. Yeah. Yeah, it was more technical. I mean, Jessica, we choreographed like a big fight scene that we had to do together. And it was very heartbreaking and difficult, but it was also kind of an incredible experience. Anytime you get to work with Jessica Biel, it's pretty amazing.

I really love her. You love Jessica Biel? That's beale it's pretty amazing i really love her you love jessica beale that's actually really good to know i absolutely love her and as an actor she's so exciting to work with there's so much happening yeah i love her she's underrated she's very underrated yeah extremely yeah you were saying she was giving she's one of those actors who give something different on every take or it's like a Juliette Lewis kind of thing where it's like, oh my gosh, like what are we going to get? Nothing is a Juliette Lewis.

Nothing except for Juliette Lewis is a Juliette Lewis experience. Oh my God. It's just that you're just kind of witnessing and you're just like, what's going to happen? I can't wait. It's so amazing. But yeah, Jess definitely like gives something different.

It's very, very present, very connected. It's really, it's great. The whole last episode of Candy. Matt, have you seen it? I mean, no, it's scary. It's gory. Like I think that rules it out for you. I peeked in on Candy.

The thing is, the thing is. I don't think you'd like it. With everything, I at least peek in. Okay. I at least peek in on everything. But that's been my thing with yellow jackets is it is as i'm sure you know from working quite extensively on the project it is what i what i'd refer to a brutal and relentless show i know i know i've heard you

talk about it on the podcast i can't believe you listen to this i love it i i love this podcast my friend matt told me once that you guys he's wonderful he's been one of my best friends since we were 15 years old in new plymouth new zealand um and he lives here in los angeles now thank god um but he was like i can't believe you don't listen to that he was like it's so weird to me that you don't listen to Last Culture Easter. I was like, I'm not really like a podcast person. And he was like, well, that's okay. You should hear full judgment. He really judged me for it.

So then I started just to tell Matt, like, you know, I gave it a chance. And then I was in love, obsessed. I had to go back into the archives. Oh, my God. You did not go into the archives. He is quite go back into the archives oh my god you did not go into the archives he is quite far back into the archives like it was all i would listen oh no yeah no it's great there has not been a bad episode see that is that is that i've a big claim we've had over 300 they're okay sure we're not talking about melie Linsky's filmography here, where there's actually no bad things.

Oh, there is some bad things. No, I mean, I was actually just reading an interview with you in my research. But you were saying your number one thing is to pick good scripts or things that you think have the potential to be lasting or a project you want to be a part of. And not necessarily like looking what the rule is for me etc you said you got that advice from matt damon and i wonder like when that changes for you when it bridges from being like i'm a working actor i'm really just trying to get the next job to when you can be more discerning and when you can feel like you can actually like you know key into the things that you think are substantial? Like, do you remember when that point was?

I mean, I tried to do that even when I didn't have very many options. Right. You know, even just auditioning for things, I tried to not audition for things that I didn't feel somewhat passionate about. I didn't always have that option. There were times when I just needed to work like everybody but then at a certain point i think it was after like after the movie i did with matt damon i did a couple of other movies that year um that were well received and things kind of shifted a little bit after that and i got to be a bit more picky so i was lucky to have just gotten that great advice

from matt damon well thank god for matt damon on set thank god he's gonna be kicking back i picture matt damon in my mind's eye like let me tell you something is he running the room no he's quite he's very charismatic but he's not um he's kind of the only famous person that i've ever been around where you don't know when he's entered the room like he can kind of sneak up behind you and tap you on the shoulder and you're like oh Matt Damon everyone else is sort of like a thing a feeling and people kind of like but he can just he can kind of be undetected in a way that a lot of other famous people can't he should work in a haunted house. He should. He'd be amazing. He'd be incredible.

This is truly the most like eye-rolly anecdote I can say right now. But I can confirm this because I literally, this was last week. I walked into work. I walked onto the eighth floor of work. We shared the same floor as Seth Meyers. He must have been there to promote air. But literally, I like walk, I walk out, I say hi to some crew guys i'm like hey what's up hey what's up and then out of nowhere he like bounds out of the hallway taps me on the shoulder says hey how's it going man i was like oh hey i was

like oh just some i was like that's some guy who works here yeah i was like wait no that that was that was matt damon and it was that thing of, he just kind of like is able to like blend into the sort of ambient aspect of whatever space he's in. And I'm like, that is impressive. That is truly amazing. It is really impressive. And I think it's why he's kind of both like movie star and character actor.

Cause he really can like disappear into a role in a way that like so many famous people can't yeah you'll never forget um like goodwill hunting like it's so funny that he does like sort of disappear in like everyday life because goodwill hunting just remember like him on screen and his like side bang remember that iconic 90s side bang they would all have and he's like him and leo were really yeah oh yeah they were kings of the like sort of flop hair and i of course i don't use flop as a pejorative here and flop is not being used in a derogatory way i'm using simply as a to describe the shape of their hair which i'm sort of doing right now on the zoom but that was like

peak 90s hair it was like that like sort of Dawson's Creek, but elevated to an Oscar caliber film. You really couldn't do better than that. And for someone who really blends into a room, even at Studio 8H or on sets of films, he absolutely explodes off the screen. And we celebrate Matt Damon for that. And we want to announce that Matt Damon is a finalist. Oh my God, really?

He's a finalist. Matt Damon is a finalist at the award. Congrats, Matt. This is the biggest honor of your career, I'm sure. It's probably up there. You think? Yeah. That's very nice.

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You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Do you know what it means to be a finalist i do know what it means okay perfect it's a new term okay great okay because it's new in the lexicon no it's a brand new term but i listen i heard it i heard you talking about it let's talk about let's talk about yeah i know that darcy carden is a she's a finalist oh my god she's gonna be thrilled she's gonna be so yeah absolutely she's gonna be thrilled to hear you say her name out loud. In my terrible accent.

First of all, let's stop it right there. Because here's the thing. I think people often forget that you have this accent because you are a master of dialects. But then you do a spit take and almost spit off your coffee as I'm saying that. But the thing is, it is true. Like, how did you get so good at this? I just watched a lot of movies.

Really? Is that it? I'm good at it. So it's not like intensive, like, like speech and dialect training at university. No, I never went to, I went to university for a year. I did go to university for a year. No, I did say forget this. But there were some times when I would have a dialect coach

on set for a job and I would try to get as much information from them as I could about other accents. So I could like have a little bang. What about like Sweetest to Come Alabama? It was so perfectly keyed in for that. Thank you.

We had a dialect coach for that who was wonderful. Her name was Reese Witherspoon. Like it's always helpful. She was concerned. She was concerned about the accent getting the accent right she was like y'all i don't know about her y'all i don't know about melanie linsky no i don't think she said that that was my reason she's always been very supportive i'm sure yeah

she cried we saw each other at the emmys and she burst into tears. What? Oh, my God. She was like, look where we both are. We're both nominated. Oh, that's nice. I know. I was like, you have an Oscar. We got to get you one of those. You've been in this position before. But it was so sweet that she was like moved by it and happy for me.

It was really sweet. So sweet. We love Reese in this house. Oh, she's so good. You have to have so many like old friends, like from starting out. Cause I mean, let's just say it started,

it all started with heavenly creatures, which was your first time acting. My first time acting like, like professionally. Yeah. Outside of like a school play or local theater. Yeah. So that was what?

95. We filmed it in 93 and it came out in 94 right yeah i was 15 when i did it wow and so that's you and kate winslet and she's sort of iconically still around we actually just saw her in avatar 2 the way of water oh i heard you talk about it it's the first time i wanted to see that movie because after you talked about it really suddenly yeah you don't have an interest in avatar no sorry i don't that's okay no problem i don't know i don't understand it it's hard for me to connect sure you're not one with the not be no so many billions are it's okay i don't so many billions yeah they don't need me but i would imagine it's like this thing of like you'll

be at an event or something like like let's say the emmys or critics choice or whatever it is and you'll look around and you'll be like oh i know i've known that person for like 30 years in some cases yes yeah that does happen i know it's so weird oh crazy or that it's like so old no no no but that's it's just that like for you to describe the scene and don't look up where you're like throwing pills at Leo, right? Like he walks back in with Cate Blanchett. You're like for you to say that like Cate Blanchett being in the room was comforting to you that like, oh, my gosh, this is my old friend. For Cate Blanchett to be this comforting presence because of your friendship over the years. I think that's like where it's sort of all sort of, it cashes in like these relationships that you've built for,

you know, such a long time. Yeah. I could not believe what my brain was telling me that day. Like, thank God for Kate. It's going to be the one who's going to keep me calm and make me feel safe and okay.

Cause I didn't know Adam McKay. I didn't know Leo, you know, nobody. That was the first day of work? It was my first day of work. Oh, wow. Wow.

Yeah. So I felt very grateful. Yeah, I know. So scary. I love that scene so much. And by the way, this is the big question that I wanted to ask you for a very long time, which is like, I think you've said multiple times that your acting is very instinctual. You're, you know, you're not as precise as you would say other

actors might be about like okay it's gonna be this and then this and this and then this there's no like sequential thing to it um yeah and yet i always find your performance is so precise and specific and like even even in yellow jackets like last week where you know um you know your daughter's like so you killed a guy and then you're like no yeah well no like you just the face journey there is already so like so great and I find it so interesting that you that this comes so naturally to you and that is that is like a true mark of your skill I guess I think people just have different ways of working like I remember once I was on a flight and i was sitting next to somebody who was like highlighting all the different lines in their script with a different

color highlighter and then going over their lines and like i could see her choosing the gestures she was gonna make like when she did the lines um and like practicing the the same gesture like over and over on the line and i just was like isn't that interesting like over and over on the line. And I just was like, isn't that interesting? Like it took everything in me to not just turn around and watch because it's such a different process to really like map it out in that way. I don't know. I just have to let it happen. And it can be challenging if you're working with an actor who's not like giving a lot. Of course, it's not collaborative.

It's not collaborative it's not collaborative and you can feel like you're kind of running uphill and doing too much in that case but i really do like to just see what happens when we get there can you imagine like being on a plane or whatever and you have your script and you're sort of highlighting your script and you're rehearsing your gestures and then you look over and melanie linsky is sort of staring at you like perplexed like like as an actor you'd be like oh no i'm i'm rehearsing my big gestures this is not what i should be doing no judgment on it's just so different you know i just was like fascinated by the process like that's a lot of work yeah one time i was i was working with someone one time who um

it was very clear was not going to look at me during the scene but they were sort of looking where they were going to look and like doing they were sort of doing like a picture for the camera but it was not acting they were sort of giving just like pictures for the camera like they were doing and then there was me sort of standing there but like that i guess that happens that's that's film acting for some people i'm sure they were very easy to edit later probably super easy the editor probably was like oh this dream a series of pictures for me to put together i know i feel bad for editors no no no but i feel like all of your things i feel like you do have this continuity with all your

scenes too like oh like the left arm was up and the left arm was up in the next in the next cut or something i don't know that's editing that's the hard work of editors because i'm never paying attention to that it's terrible i'm terrible the script supervisors are like melanie your left arm wasn't up in the air on that one we We needed you back to where you were, queen. Yeah, I try, but. So you're just one highlighter. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of your older stuff, like we were talking about Ever After, as I'm sure you heard, because we were talking about Drew Barrymore on the show.

Yes, I did. That was that your appearance on Drew Barrymore was so and obviously it went viral online like you and Jason being there together. But I just wanted to say like you guys like that. It's beyond adorable. It's just like aspirational, especially as people out here who have no who now have like no new gay man rules because of our own recent or storied like, you know, attempts to make relationships happen and stuff what I was really like moved by and heartened by and made me feel hope again was you know the bravery with which he came forward and was like sitting there and was like yeah like I had a lot of problems I was really struggling and then I met the love of my life and I decided to better myself for that person. And I just like, I was so inspired by that because not everyone is like that.

What was the response that you guys got from that? And what was it? I don't know if that was something that you guys had talked about much. Like you probably intrinsically knew. No. But then there you are like hearing him do this and really pouring his heart out and putting it out there.

I was like, I wonder what that felt like. I was so surprised. He and I have had a lot of conversations about everything. Yeah, of course. We've had to in therapy. Yeah. But I didn't know he was going to talk about that. And it's not something that he has talked about publicly a whole lot.

And neither has Drew until very recently. And I've known her for so many years and been on the journey with her, of her process towards getting to this point in her life. And the same with Jason, it wasn't an easy road. And I just in that moment felt kind of overwhelmed with pride and love for both of them. That they're sitting there and they're in such good places in their life. And they're really like kind and responsible people. And it just that they were talking to each other about it. I just, it was almost too much in the moment for me to process. Yeah.

I just had to kind of be like, oh, this is lovely. And then later I was like, oh, that was such a huge moment. Falling apart. I had to go and do another talk show afterwards and I just didn't want to leave her. She came into our dressing room and kicked her shoes off and we were all sitting on the sofa, just kind of huddled. I just was like, I don't want to leave this little cocoon.

She's so special. She's so incredible. She ain't coming into any rooms and you're not noticing. That's true. That's because she immediately climbs up next to you yeah you're just like oh chin on hand

eyeball to eyeball I love it it's everyone it's like people that you can tell she's known for years and also people that you know she's just met like Chloe from Chloe and Halle was on her show and I swear to god i just saw a screenshot of the video and it's literally drew like sitting on the chair with her and i was like i love it and everyone's just on board it's so sweet it's the best that was a really beautiful moment and you and you two i

don't know it was he's dropping off the kids at school right now it's like yes this is aspirational it's what matt was saying it's like it's you and i are so jaded right now and we're just like what are we what are we doing but it's nice to see it's nice to see like a perfect example of this out in the world i mean there have been times in my life where I've tried, I've had to give myself a break and say no, no new, no new penises. No new penises. Yeah, no. Yeah, I never said very well. No new penises.

No new penises. But you know, it's difficult if you're like single and you're like, well, you know, how bad could it be? But, you know, it's a process and you're both so young you've so so much life i don't know i'm feeling young at coachella getting up there oh well that's coachella have you ever been i went once and i just kept saying to my husband at the time jimmy please remind me take a picture of what i look like right now and how miserable i am so anytime i say i want to do this again you can show me the picture and say no yeah yeah i never forgot how smart i was yeah i just was like you have to tell me it was too hot it was like yeah

i was gonna ask was it the heat was it the respiratory situation was it the crowds like what yeah it was the crowds I don't like the crowds. I felt very old. And at the time, it was like the first year of Coachella. So I was young. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. But I think it was in May still at that point.

It was too much. It was so hot. When you're walking up, you see they have all the old rosters of who used to headline the festival and it's like it's it's funny because it's like the first year is literally like tool and muse and rage against the machine and now it's like black pink ariana grande you can they're they're making it much more pop which is what's gonna get me to go because to be honest with you like i it's whenever these like breakdowns of like who's playing the festivals come out i'm not cool in terms of my music taste like i don't

know like alt bands it's like i don't know who like dj blaze stink is you know what i mean like i don't i didn't know what any of this shit was i didn't even know who the chemical brothers were and here's my sister saying they're an iconic legendary um group but that is true that is true but i had an amazing time at their show wow they were actually the highlight of the whole thing for me i think but it's just funny yeah it was really really amazing i was also helped i was i was aided by chemicals myself, but there I was sort of like really the visuals were insane, like highly recommend. But now I feel insane because I'm like the last person saying that because apparently I'm the last person on Earth who doesn't know who they are. But no, I think in the future, my rule will be if I really love at least one of the headliners, I'll consider it. You know what I mean?

It's a good rule. Yeah. But then it's like because then it's like I'm not just going to go toers, I'll consider it. You know what I mean? It's a good rule. Yeah. But then it's like, because then it's like, I'm not just going to go to go because I agree with you. I wish I had taken a picture of my miserable moments

because then I'd be like, ah, yes, the part where we have to get in and everyone was screaming at each other. That's not something we want to go back to. Sure.

I think I had the opposite balance of you. I had like two minutes of joy and like 58 minutes of misery per hour. Yeah. It was no good. No good. Well, then what's the ideal live music scenario for Melanie Linsky?

Like, what is your dream thing? Oh, God. It's all old. You know, like when. Please. Years ago when the Pixies like did the tour where they were playing all of doolittle that was amazing and then they would do like very random songs for the encore but now kim deal isn't in the pixies anymore so it's a little bit different

i don't know i haven't seen live music for so long right so long have you been on kellyson's show? No, I haven't. I thought you... Oh, that was Jennifer Hudson. I'm sorry. I'm getting confused. Oh, you went on Jennifer Hudson. You have to go on Kelly Clarkson. She's got new music out. I love Kelly Clarkson. I feel like you guys would

have an incredible talk. I would love it. Sometimes if I need to have a cry, like you just have tears inside that need to come out. I watch her performance of Peace by Peace when she was heavily pregnant. I think she did it on American Idol. She did. And she can't get through it.

And she's breaking down. And I'm just like, That song is kind of haunted now. And yeah, so she wrote the song about finally feeling she had a man in her life who would like not bail and take care of their daughter, ask for money, etc. And then all of a sudden now we have this reality, which is very much the haunted version of that. But I am excited about a divorce album from her. I have to say.

Me too. I can't wait. Whenever anyone can sort of figure it out enough to like put it into the music, that's very exciting. Especially in my sort of own era that I'm experiencing right now. She announced even what the lyrics were going to be and I was just like, whoo.

Thank God. At least I'll have more of an outlet now. Yeah, it's good. You need to have those songs that you can listen to when you're going through it. Exactly. But I think you guys would have a great chat. Just putting that out there for the publicists. Okay, wonderful. Maybe they'll do something.

Jonah. About it. Jonah. Jonah's so sweet. He's so wonderful. We love Jonah already. Jonah from IDPR. Shout out to him.

He's the greatest. We want to ask you the question that we ask every single one of our guests. Sort of the touchstone of Last Culture. Jonah says he's on it. Jonah is out to Kelly Clarkson's people to get Melanie Linsky on. All right. So, Melanie Linsky, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? I have been agonizing over this question.

Because, obviously, as such a huge reader I knew I was going to be asked as a child I didn't really consume very much culture my parents were not the kinds of parents who would like take us to movies or anything like that I remember we got to see E.T. and that was kind of it so then my brother and I were like

E.T. we've seen E.T. we were so excited E.T. is scary though don't you think i didn't find it very scary okay that's sort of where two paths diverge in the woods like where you're like no i like et and i'm like i'm terrified of et that's what makes me not able to stomach anything i know i love it it's very charming that you're so scared of everything it's so cute yay but i guess i would say like when i got to an age where i was able to start like seeing stuff myself and just going to the video store and getting things out um like david lynch twin peaks oh a huge thing for me and then i saw all every david lynch movie

and i was like this is it like this is what i want to do i was so i was in love with sheryl and fenn like in love and just the show was everything and then i got into directors i just started getting really into directors when I was like 13 and seeing like all of Mike Lee and Jane Campion I was super into um so it was kind of that and then also I got very into music because my best friend Claire Buchanan made me a mixtape from records that her brothers had brought home from university and it was like the smiths and the cure and like a lot of like brit pop bands and then i got very into music and yeah so i guess it was that that time in my life was very formative that all that all makes sense and i feel like

you're such a director driven actor too yeah i do love a director yeah i was gonna say is there any director that like you were like coming up really loving that then you actualized actually working with like and if you can yeah i can imagine could you name a couple steven soderbergh yeah that's that was like major my life dream. Yeah. Yeah. I saw Sex, Lies and Videotape and I was like, oh my God, this is the best movie ever made. When I was a teenager, I just was like, this is incredible. And I love, sorry, I have like weird allergies and I feel like my voice sounds so weird. No. Oh, I'm right there with you.

Yeah. And also it's allergy season. So that's the thing about allergies. My eyes are shut. Is if you have them, probably everyone has them. And and that's real culture that's real culture number 30 allergies if you have if you have them everyone probably everyone else has them i love that it's allergy season and gala season yeah well bad timing not good allergies galas festivals all all all concurrent truly all occurring people are supposed to appear with

these dynasties I don't think so honey the thing about Steven Soderbergh too which I love is it's like he's got like such a strong visual style and like he is but the stories that he tells are all really different like he works in very different worlds like when you consider

like Aaron Brockovich and also Traffic and also like Magic mike it's i know it's it's very so versatile yes very much so and it's like some of those movies are protagonist driven some are very much ensemble driven but it all feels like there's a control over the material and always also very rewatchable so much happening you know the very specific worlds very grounded but also managing like definitely very specific like iconography as well like for julia roberts to feel like a real person in aaron brockovich which obviously was a court requirement because she was still to be larger than life but existing in the world like it's's just, he's one of the greats. I say, obviously the answer is duh.

He is one of the greats. And the experience of working with him was, it lived up to my expectations, which were insane. My expectations were crazy. Right. And in the way of like, you think he's going to have like really interesting things to say to you as an actor, he's going to be in control. Like when you say you have high expectations what do you mean i just was like

this is something that i've wanted since i knew i wanted to be an actor to work with this person and i i don't know what this experience has to be for me to not be disappointed on some level like it's it's every it's my life dream and it's about to happen right and then he surpassed it somehow i mean he just was like so collaborative you go into the room to start blocking something and he'll be like it doesn't have to be this room like does this feel right you know it was so like open to moving things around and improv and just like not a lot of compliments i hate compliments you hate compliments really compliments i hate compliments it feels like we're so sorry for complimenting you we're it's okay i sat through it and it was very very sweet but at work like when i'm working with somebody you know the thing

where directors come up and they're like oh my god beautiful when you did that they are i don't i hate it i just want to feel like a grip like if i do something wrong like if the camera move isn't right like then you'll tell like the grip like hey just that one little moment you got to smooth that out yeah i don't want to feel i hear you i hear you so it's like it's it's this thing of you don't want to feel like the part of the production that needs that because it's yeah it's like yeah but there is this idea though like that when you're an actor i guess many directors and many other people on set think oh this person probably needs that because they are being vulnerable slash emotional or on the negative side of that like they might have an ego we have to cater to yeah got it yeah it's the

worst feeling to feel handled that is my worst feeling like in any sort of professional setting oh i can't stand it completely completely somebody like trying to like bring you things all the time or walking you to the bathroom like things that you do in your everyday life without dying you know you should be able to do that also exactly someone someone someone at work called me like a PA at work called me, oh, you're so low maintenance. Do you want anything? I was like, no, like, I don't know, a banana if we have one at Crafty. And she was like, you're so

low maintenance. I was like, no, I'm not. I promise you I'm not. I'm just, I'm okay right now. That's when I call in and I say, he's not. He's not. Yeah, there you go. No, I'm not. I'm not. Not at all. But then you are like you are like who else are you dealing with that's like yes i need this yeah but there are some but there are

some people yeah that's true it's true um for steven soderbergh to be like it doesn't have to be this room that i i've never gotten that before i'm like oh it could be anywhere yeah just like what feels right what feels good wow just it's so fun it's just fun this fall on bravo it's time to turn up think you've seen it all i don't think you've been a good friend to me lately we're friends like that who needs enemies you ain't seen nothing yet cheers to being dramatic with the real housewives of potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's going to be amazing. New York City.

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but yes, I was going to quickly ask what, what was Jamie Babbitt like on, but I'm a, I know it was like years and years ago, but Jamie Babbitt on, but I'm a cheerleader. No,

but it was, well, she, but she, she directed some episodes, the first season of Nora from Queens. And I was just like, Oh my God, that's, that that's that's Jamie and but like but I'm a cheerleader like and I didn't I hadn't re-watched it until the pandemic until lockdown and I was like

this is such an important movie like look at everybody on this cast it's you it's like Natasha it's it's Clea it's RuPaul it's like all these amazing people. I'm like, what was that set like? I wonder. It was absolutely crazy. We were all like 21 years old and crazy people. We would wrap at 5 a.m. and then go start a party, like have a party until 10 a.m. We were absolutely crazy.

It was really fun. But Jamie was so wonderful. Even then, she was super young too and she was like very in control of everything and i've worked with her since she directed a couple of episodes of the show girl boss that i did yep and um right one day we wrapped before lunch like she's so on top of it wow yeah oh a dream a lunch wrap i know she's amazing just making decisions and yeah it was lunchtime and they know. She's amazing. Just making decisions. And yeah, it was lunchtime and they were like, that's a wrap.

And that's never happened before. She's so capable and decisive and she keeps things moving, but everyone's having a good time. So the energy is high. You know, the energy in But I'm a Cheerleader is like crazy because of her, like what she brings to it. I love her. Love her her because you mentioned jane campion did you get to meet because we were actually at the critics choice awards so bowen and i were at the critics choice awards the night that you won for yellow jackets and we're very excited and we were sitting there and we sort of got and i'm just gonna say wasted by the end of

that night and it appeared like everyone else in that room did too. But I do sort of remember Jane Campion winning the awards. And I wonder, because you mentioned her, did you get to meet Jane Campion that night? I did. That was the night that I met her. That was the night that you met her. Yeah. So the connection was made. Hello.

Yeah. Hello, you. The Keelys. Yeah. She was so sweet. She was so wonderful. Very nice to me. It was a big moment for me

yeah oh yeah yeah well to be honest and we talked about on the pod the next the the next episode from from that from that awards night it was like matt basically had to like re-educate me because i was like oh my god like melanie lindsley and like i hadn't started watching yellow jackets at that point and i was like that was such a special moment and then matt was like no you've seen like she is this is melanie lindsley the character actress yes like of our time and like just was walking me through and i was like oh my god that's right no you are i mean like this this is the thing is it's like it's if you're someone who watches movies and like it consumes like film and television and you're like our age you know know what I mean? Like you are a part of

so many things. And that has to be, I wonder if you ever like look at your resume and you're just like, do you have vivid memories of everything? Or like, are you someone that like, do you journal? Do you keep things? Like, because you have such a vast body of work and it's all so diverse and so different and so you probably have people coming up to you all the time and saying a different thing i would imagine now as of late it's a lot of yellow jackets because it's this moment it's this like cultural phenomenon but i wonder about when you look back like if you have like not total recall but good recall about the types of things you've done because it is it's crazy oh thank you i mean it is kind of crazy to have been doing something for 30 years yeah and just look back and go oh my god this is crazy yeah yeah i don't

know i read an interview a while ago where somebody was kind of like, blah, blah, blah, her career up until this point. And now she's doing all these great things. And I was like, hang on a minute. Yeah. I was so proud to be a working actor. I was so proud to make a living as an actor and just to be doing things and things that have like resonated sometimes, not always. But, you know, I feel I feel really proud of like my career before this but, you know, I feel, I feel really proud of, like, my career before this point, you know? Yes, I mean, and even in trying to be a working actor now, and trying

to do it now, like, it's, you know, there's this dream of, like, wanting to, like, build out, and I really feel like that's how you get good, you what I mean is by doing a lot of different types of things and having a lot of different types of experiences and I guess the idea is that work begets more work if you show up and you feel like um you were on time and did the job and that probably is what leads you to this idea of like I'm just here a part of the community of the set like not needing compliments not being that actor because you have from the very beginning been like functional in these films and so you get to show up yeah and that probably over time makes you ready to be number one on a call sheet on a huge show like this and i wonder like is the experience really that different now from then like now that

you are number one on a call sheet and you are like the quote-unquote star of this ensemble even though like it is very much an ensemble very much yeah yeah but like you do occupy like that role and so i wonder like is that a little bit odd for you as someone that's always been a character actor or you just not see it like that? I don't really see it like that because the experience of going to work is the same. Right. And, you know, it's just going to work and doing the work in the same way. I don't know.

I think maybe because I've been like 25 on a call sheet and number 16 on a call sheet thousands of times. I don't really pay that much attention to that. I don't have like an ego. Not even an ego thing. I just mean like as in terms of responsibility thing. Sometimes there is this idea of like leadership. You know what I mean? I guess that's what I'm talking about.

I feel a responsibility, especially because there's like younger actors on our show. Who I want to know are having a good experience. Right. And I feel a responsibility like for the crew and stuff like that to make sure everybody's days are going smoothly and everybody's happy and wants to come back next season and stuff like that. Obviously, it's not all up to me.

Right. But yeah, I do feel more because I also noticed in the past when I was a supporting actor working with the people who would make sure everybody was comfortable, everybody was happy. It was always a big deal to me. But you can tell, I mean, even when you won that night at the Critics' Choice, it was like it was that whole like your whole section just erupted for you and especially the younger actors. I know. It makes me cry to even think about. It's beautiful. But that's a real thing, though.

I would imagine that, you know, it's you, Tawny, Juliet, and Christina. The four of you have all worked for a very long time. Some incredibly famously so. I mean, like, not just you, but Christina Ricci and Juliette Lewis. Like, I don't know Tawny from, like, I don't know if she was working as a child or anything, but, like, Christina and Juliette Lewis like I don't know Tawny from like I don't know if she was working as a child

or anything but like Christina and Juliette were massive massive icons like and so I was watching something with the four of you it kind of came up like that watching a younger generation of actresses or of younger actors is sort of wild now in 2023, as opposed to when y'all were doing it in the nineties, because, and you, and I saw something kind of flickered across Christina's eyes in particular, like maybe she had like been through it. And I was like,

and of course, you know, Juliet, we know she's lived quite a life. And so it's like the types of treatment must be so much better now. And so that must be like something you're that's top of mind when you say like you want to make sure the younger actors are having a good time and like that their experience is good it probably is because as actresses it had to be like kind of

the school of hard knocks there for quite a while oh my god i mean it was like so rough sometimes yeah and also like for me to find my voice on set and feel like it was okay for me to have an opinion or kind of push back a little bit if someone gave me a note I didn't like my instincts are always very strong so if somebody tries to direct me away from them I don't have any training I don't know how to do that so I will kind of fight to stay on the path that my instincts are telling me to stay on in the performance. But it was tough, you know, and then like weird harassment and, you know, like it was just not a fun time sometimes. Sometimes it was wonderful, but sometimes it wasn't. And so, I, you know, I was hopeful that the set of Yellow Jackets would not be like that, but just in case I said to them like please come to me come to

me for anything i'll go to the producers for you i'll go to the producers with you whatever you need and they've all kind of been like thanks like they're fine they're fine it's such a different generation like they're handling it themselves there's no thing of them being like oh is it okay for me to say this they're all like i don I don't like this. I don't like that. Here's what I need. And it's amazing. It's so exciting. Yeah.

I love it. Still so meaningful for you to like, I don't know, like lay that groundwork down or just set that tone in case there is someone who is like, I don't really know how to address this situation. Yeah. Just in case. It's always scary to know who can you go to, what's okay,

if something is wrong. So, yeah. None of them have needed me, but I'm still here if they do. They're all really cool. Whenever we're around them, because I feel like we pop up around them a lot.

We see Jasmine a lot. We see Liv a lot. Yeah, we see the two of them a lot just for whatever reason at events and stuff. We actually raged with them that night at the Critics' Choice Awards. We were dancing in this area where also Jane Campion was dancing

and she was tearing it up. Jane Campion was getting down. She was getting down. And I remember we were just like, wow. I was like, that's really Jane Campion tearing it up. I mean mean she's in a huge moment uh yeah but uh yeah we always see them and they they do like have like all of them have this like just cool factor and i'm like you guys are the stars of yellow jackets aren't you

y'all are just cool they are all so cool like. Yeah. I really do feel like the mom. I feel like I'm like, is everything okay? Yeah. Do you enjoy, like, gnarly shows like this? Because you're appearing in several of them currently at the moment. I mean, you got, like, fucked up in The Last of Us. Spoiler alert. And then Yellowjackets is such a gnarly show.

Do you, like, are you someone that consumes stuff like that? And are you able to sign up for projects like that and be like, oh yeah, today we're killing somebody? I guess so. I mean,

I watch all kinds of stuff. I don't, I don't get scared easily. I don't have any adrenal function. So I don't get, I don't like, I literally, I love it.

Yeah. I should be on medication or testosterone or something like that. Jason tries to scare me all the time and he can't. You're just on moving? I just go, oh, it's really weird. Like he'll hide in a dark corner and then come like bursting out.

Oh, he is one of those, isn't he? He's a jokester. He is a jokester. He's a jokester and a prankster. He's a frustrated prankster because i can't be pranked i don't have a reaction ever so i i don't know i don't have a thing where i'm like scared about particular things on candy it was like really sad just knowing that somebody had actually gone through that yeah yeah and just thinking about just emotionally a little baby being in the house

while it happened and just what an awful thing for her family and just you know i felt like a responsibility on that one to try to get it as right as i could with the amount of information i had but the scary stuff is just kind of fun yeah i guess i always feel like i could act in one but couldn't watch one i always feel like like i could probably do that because like you see the you see like the nuts and bolts of it all but like watching it i literally i physically have pain yeah because like on the last of us there's this guy like there's this big huge bloater creature who comes out and he's so huge and scary and then i'd see him in between takes

with this fiji water like someone's like feeding him his little you know because it's so hot in there and he was like almost passing out oh and so he had to like have his little sips of water and it was really sweet and endearing and then you can't be scared after you see that no no especially if jason's one of the mushroom if jason's a clicker then you're like oh that's that's my guy he's basically a clicker my husband's basically a clicker it's actually rollercoaster number 100

my husband's basically a clicker my husband's basically a clicker I want to talk video games next time I see you guys if I would love to talk video games with Jason

because I know he plays he's a little gamer is he a gamer alright I'll switch off and look up into the ceiling just take a break no no no I don't need to

that's what I do when he talks about video games i'm like um yeah he is he loves video games did he play the last of us yes he did it's his favorite video game ever oh wow he was like you have to do it when they asked me to do it he was like you have to no questions asked yeah listen it makes sense because matt i remember the first time i heard of the last of us which was you and i were coming back from a story pirate show and eric gerson was in the car there was there's this trade show called e3 every summer and this is like 2012 2013 or something and eric our friend eric gerson turns to me he goes they just announced this game at e3 it's being called the Citizen Kane of video games.

Yeah. In terms of like narrative. And they're like, it's called The Last of Us. They did motion capture on it. It's going to be amazing. And I was like, really? And then I didn't play it until much later. But like the journey for The Last,

like The Last of Us has been like on people's minds for like over a decade at this point. And I'm sure you know all this at this point. I probably think that it was probably you weren't hampered by all the fan weight, the fanfare around it. You were just able to go into this role, this new role for the show. You had an original character. Let me just start from scratch. And I don't have to be beholden to a prior performance necessarily, maybe. Yeah. I was very grateful for that. I was like,

thank God it's a new character. And also Craig wrote it for me, the creator of the show. He said, I've written this part for you, which was so lovely. So then I also felt like he knew what he was going to get, you know know sometimes it's scary to audition for things but um also i hate auditioning so it's it's worse to have to audition it's not the best yeah it's not the best i'm very bad at it um you feel that you feel not good at auditioning i'm really bad what do you think is it is it do you do you struggle like with the lines in the audition or do you feel like what like what is it with with auditioning for you it like with the lines in the audition or do you feel like what like what is it with with auditioning for you it's just the pressure put on the one performance like you can't

be loose with it you can't see what happens like you have to make a decision and commit to something and give like a thing and guess what they want and it's like you can't just like do your first take and have it be the thing that comes out right and be like okay we'll like work with that a little bit but i would imagine that you probably only have to audition for like the big stuff right like there's probably a lot you probably do get a ton of offers like have when's the last time you did like a self-tape you don't do self-tapes no i mean it's been a few years thankfully those are misery they're they're really terrible thank you yeah it's it's it's rough and the experience of just putting yourself on tape not knowing what they're gonna want without the ability to get notes and anything it's just a

completely different thing it's weird that our industry has like been okay obviously that we've had because of the pandemic but like i can't even stress enough how like much more fun it is and how much more complete and you know secure you can feel when you at least like have the opportunity to connect with like someone involved in the movie or casting director and take a note and actually feel like you acted that day and didn't just like guess at how you wanted to appear on your little phone the guessing is so hard and then also when you walk into an audition it's over like yeah you don't have any work to do you don't have to then you know try to figure out how to load it and send it and choose go through all your takes and choose the take yeah i will say my ex-husband was is very very good at doing self tapes like yeah he's a great actor he's a wonderful actor he would never have read the script

he would be like brutal with the notes like really tough like so intense we would always get in a fight but he was always right like he just had an instinct about it and then we would i got so many jobs from self-tapes that jimmy made wow yeah i got the informant i got um win-win i got like all these great movies from and when we broke up my agent was like do you think he could i don't know a couple of times i did ask him said, would you mind coming to do the self-tape? And he was very gracious about it. But he's very like, I don't know. He was,

he's kind of a master. He does it for everybody as well. Like a lot of our friends. Oh really? Yeah. He like gets people jobs from his self-tapes. Thank God you booked the informant because then Matt wouldn't be able to tell you that,

that advice. Yeah, exactly. Exactly you go. Exactly, yeah. I always, finding the person that you feel comfortable enough to ask to put you on a self-tape, it's so... It might as well be a marriage proposal. Yeah. But it's so like...

It's a huge thing. It's huge, yeah. And also doing it in a couple is frustrating too because like i remember when my ex jared and i would would put me on tape especially during during the pandemic or like right before like i it's like that thing of when you when you go back and watch the clips of what you've done on your phone you literally see the worst version of yourself because there you are like stressed out about to do a self-tape and he would just just say something like, okay, so what do you think about? And I would just be like, no, we have to just do it.

We have to just do it. And just like you're here, you're watching yourself be horrible to deal with. And then you're like, oh, no, now I have just like all this archived footage of me, like, at my worst, like, stressed, trying to act nasty to my boyfriend. Oh, it's awful.'s terrible oh my god terrible terrible terrible what so what are you watching now what's what's inspiring you nowadays i'm watching poker face yeah you're a good watcher you're always you're always posting about what you're what you're watching i try to be supportive it's so good natasha's so funny she's so funny peacock is nailing it lately i just watched the first two episodes of mrs davis with our favorite person in

the world betty gilpin oh i worship her absolutely worship her isn't she amazing she is amazing you're gonna love this show it's It's like a wacko show. It's Damon Lindelof. Damon Lindelof. Yes. I think it's the funniest he's ever been. Like, it's really sort of like a surreal, like, comedy in a way. I can't even really explain what it's about.

I would just, like, emphasize that everyone should really give this one a shot. I think there's going to be four episodes out like on 420 which is a great day to start watching this show um it's it's a it's really big for the stoner community but betty is one of those actors that just like everything she does feels brand new it's it's sort of yeah it's sort of maybe it's even similar to what you're saying of like you know instinctually like it feels like you can't fuck with whatever she's doing because it always feels very natural to her and very singular to her. And, you know, it's giving character actor as lead actress in that way that you love to see, you know? Yeah. And it is like that because I worked with Marc Maron and I was like can you tell me everything about working with Betty Gilpin because I worship her I want to know and he told me like oh my god it's incredible

you never know what she's gonna do like the instincts are on fire and she's just like this thing that's like in the connection like he just was like it's one of the greatest things you could ever experience yeah she's a major have you read her book i love her yes i have oh isn't it great oh it's so great i mean i just like she's absolutely incredible i just love her oh yeah yeah well you two would get along great yeah do you guys know each other i've met her a couple of times i actually years ago i saw her in like an off, off, off Broadway play. I found out it was a very early thing that she did. And I just, it was as though there was like a huge spotlight on her and everyone else on stage just kind of like blurred away.

Sorry to all those people. I'm sure they'd be great. But I just was like, who is that? Like, she is magnificent. And I've kind of followed her career since then. I've been oh my god it's the girl from the play it's the girl from the play and then i did get to meet her a few years ago and i just was like i'm weirdly obsessed with you oh we need that project we need we need you guys together oh my god i bet that she would love that oh my god i would love it now i'm dropping everything to write the vehicle.

I know. I know. We'll get to typing, Matt. Let's do it. Oh, my God. Wait. That's me and Bowen's first feature that we wrote co-writes together, but it's not even for us.

You have to be in it. It doesn't matter. Well, we can play tiny parts. We'll figure something out. We'll poke our head out of a window and go like, oh, no. Perfect. I love it. That'll be our that'll be our uh contribution the real housewives of new york city are back for another bite of the big apple look who it is joined by elite new friends rebecca minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could

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and it has come to the point in the episode where we do I Don't Think So, Honey, which is our 60-second segment where, you know, we really take the time to bring something down that sits up on a high perch and we pull it pull it pull it down and that's I don't think so honey I do have a topic I did mention it at the beginning but I feel like I have to keep going on it because it really was wild okay all right this is interesting this is Matt Rogers's I don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey frank ocean at coachella here's the thing it's just that if you you're allowed to be eccentric okay you're allowed to be hashtag going through it but the fact is

there was thousands and thousands of fans that came there to see you and yes i i'm not i'm not even like maybe they had a good experience with it i'm talking to to some people that are like, no, it was actually beautiful. It's actually what I wanted from Frank. Dad gave us what we wanted. But a lot of people were kind of just like, here's the thing. If you wanted to see Frank and you wanted a good spot, you actually kind of had to post up very early and sit all the way through Bjork. Now, Bjork is someone that we love and are obsessed with.

But Bjork was sort of doing a more experimental moment with orchestra. And I'm guessing that the Frank people may be more Bjork people. So that's kind of the way that Coachella is set up. And I don't think so, honey, that like it's that difficult to get a spot. But look, when you're as popular as Frank Ocean, it's going to be that difficult to get a spot. And when you're as popular as Frank Ocean, as Frank Ocean, you have to know that we have to honor the people in the crowd. I don't think so, honey. Also the ice skating rink. And that's one minute. I didn't know about this ice skating rink until that's wow. He had an ice skating rink built

and there had to melt it down before he went on stage. Well, there were professional ice skaters that had, I guess, practice for weeks and weeks to be a part of this performance. And then they came up with this excuse afterwards. Well, they were like, well, ice skaters that had i guess practiced for weeks and weeks to be a part of this performance and then they came out with this excuse afterwards well they were like well frank hurt his ankle and so couldn't do the the ice skating of it all and i'm like he didn't look like he hurt his ankle i mean he walked out on stage he did the thing i mean look i can't speculate on what actually happened but i can say that the festival ended on a very dour, sour vibe because of all of it. That's too bad.

It was frustrating. And also, I'll say this, and this will be the last thing I say about Coachella. So Blink-182 was added to the set list very late. And I think that on face value, adding Blink-182 into the mix is going to feel very exciting. And then you sort of get there and you see blink 182 performing and you see the crowd at blink 182 and i can only describe it as kind of scary and haunted because it's a lot of straight guys screaming and i'll say this about the spoken word interludes in between the blink 182182 songs. It was a lot of, yeah, if we did this now,

we'd get canceled for this one, or like, da-da-da, like, still kind of, like, humor about, like, eating each other's moms out, you know what I mean? Like, that kind of, like, boy humor from the 90s, and you watch it as a sort of queer adult, and you're saying, hmm, if you're someone who, like, relentlessly needs to be like, yeah, we can't do this anymore. Remember the old days? It's like what you're explicitly kind of saying is that you're not cool with the way things are now or like that you like really wish for a time where things were, quote unquote, different or, quote unquote, cooler. And I'm like, OK, so like the intrinsic like thing that you're saying here is that you kind of like hate that like diversity is a thing.

It just felt a little intrinsically homophobic to me. And I can't explain it because they didn't say any homophobic things. But the energy was very giving. I'm not going over there. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's too bad.

It's sort of like whenever an Eminem song plays and you're like, oh, yeah. And then you kind of like, no, I do think Blink was able to sort of like whenever an Eminem song plays and you're like, oh yeah. And then you kind of were like, no, I do think blink was able to sort of like appeal to like a wider sector of people. And I do feel like maybe. Is that because there wasn't much more than that? You know what I mean?

Like the monoculture kind of got us there, but I feel like they influenced so much. I don't know. I blink is interesting. And maybe, maybe we'll, maybe we'll dissect it, dissect it a little bit more. Like, I'm not here to yuck yums.

And that was another thing I really didn't think so honey about the festival was like, if you didn't like Blackpink, like, stop saying it so loudly. Like, so many people are here to see Blackpink. Like, I get it. Like, every song is kind of the same. That's not what you're doing. That's not what you're doing. No, no, no.

And I'm not yucking out. I'm just saying, like, it's so funny and interesting interesting to and this is like the monoculture of it all. It's like we all remember Blink-182. We all know all the words. And then all of a sudden, I don't remember. I don't think I could name a Blink-182. What's what's that's okay. That's okay.

What's my age again? All the small things, you know, Blink-182. Oh, those guys. Yeah. All the small things. It's like, yeah, you remember it. And It's like, you remember it and you're like, oh my God, of course this. It's comfort food.

And then you're like, oh wow. If I give given the option nowadays, this would not be my thing. I understand. Yes, I think some music is like crystallized in amber and I feel like, and look, Blink's come out with a lot of new stuff that's great. But I feel like the connective thing

for our generation to Blink is like something that was in the past and I feel like their commentary on the past is oh we it was a different time back then I think I don't know I wasn't there I wasn't there for this this weekend but that's the beauty of Coachella is that there's this nice little

panoply of musical acts there. And that's the thing. I'm not defending anything. Is that was like, it was all ages. It was all different types of people, all different genres of music.

And that I think is a good and positive thing is it's like, you could like float over here and see Christina and the Queens and you could float over here and see, you know, this and that and whatever. It's just like, there was a lot of different communities there that added up to one big community it was just the blink 182 was giving a little halloween horror nights for me it was giving a little you know jump scare straight man jump scare no problem

yeah right wouldn't scare melanie though no because her adrenal levels are low no i have no adrenal function so i wouldn't be like ah yeah i would feel like a creeping dread inside my body yeah and then you would use it in your next project it does sound scary it was scary and also like we were the second we walked into coachella this straight guy kind of ambled over to us and was like you guys excited for bling with any tail and i was just like oh no no no no no no no, no, no, no, no, no. I was like, oh, this is, I'm trying to get to Moona. I was like, I was like,

I'm trying to get to Moona, girl. And he was like, yeah. And he started singing the song and I was like, oh, maybe that's actually much better in theory than practice, the Blink-182 show. And then I watched like a live stream later or like the video from the live stream

and like just people moshing in the crowd you i don't want to be around any moshing i don't think so honey right right very very very woodstock 99 yeah yeah okay i'm so happy to live in the now uh bo and yang are you excited about your i don't think so honey and galvanized yes and i'm gonna actually do a last minute pivot because i was gonna do what i don't think so honey about how um i yes and i'm gonna actually do a last minute pivot because i was gonna do it i don't think so honey about how um i wore a white button-down shirt this week and someone called it stealth wealth and i was like no this this was from munich and it was 30 whatever people stealth wealth is like has just been kind of introduced into the cultural conversation and people are

people are sort of misusing it can Can you define stealth wealth? It's like logo-less luxury clothing which has, you know, kind of been popularized by succession, let's say. Like these rich people who wear clothing that is like It's like the row. It's the row. It's Max Mara. And it's like, you know, people said Gwyneth

was wearing stealth wealth clothes at the during, in court. She likely was. So anyway, I wore, I wore white button down shirt and someone, someone was like, that's a little stealth wealthy.

I'm like, no, this is, this is feels like someone, someone learned a term and wanted to use it. That's what it feels like to me. But I have, I have something very relevant actually. And I,

and I didn't, and I totally forgot about this, but I would love to talk about it. Relevant King Bowen Yang with his, I don't think so, honey on this week's episode, his time starts now. I don't to talk about it. Relevant King Bowen Yang with his I Don't Think So Honey on this week's episode. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. Oh, the wicked stills that are being shared are

too dark and moody. Everybody, I promise you there will be light. The gaffers on this film are top notch. You will be able to see things when this movie comes out. Just you wait another 18 months or so. Thanksgiving 2024. We've got a long way

to go. It's going to be a marathon, not a sprint. Just look at the picture and go, that's nice, and move along. You don't have to pick it apart and say, oh God, this movie looks this, that, or the other. Guess what? We're shooting the exteriors

so there are going to be all these drones. First of all, I don't think so many drones on film sets. Get those drones away from these exteriors. We don't need these drones taking photos. There's nothing anyone can do about these drones being flown into these exteriors. And it's kind of stressful, and

it feels just so invasive. I don't know. Get those drones out of there. Stop taking pictures of the Glinda dress in Munchkinland. We don't need to show that just yet. And that's one minute. So you're confirming that was a real picture. I am just confirming that there are drones that are taking photos of the set. Don't get me in trouble, Matt.

That is not what's happening. Well, I can't possibly get you in trouble for something that you said. You're saying that there's a possibility it could be AI generated? No out i think that well i'll say this i've seen a lot of good deep fakes no that's not what's going on you can clearly see that that's ariana grande in a pink dress no problem could be another blonde woman no no no no we're not gonna do this you're confirming i but all i'm saying is if a drone takes a photo of me this summer i'm i'm i'm bringing a gun to set and shooting it down okay trust trust okay well that's another thing i'll let you just say on the podcast

so you can be responsible i'm saying we'll bring gun to set um well i will say that i i'm of mixed minds about this because one i don't think we need the pictures this early i just think like let's let's wait like i just think we should wait like like we don't it's the movie's not coming out for 18 months like we can wait well same goes for these gaga photos and joker folia itverts like this movie is not coming out for another 16 months and we're all like you know so so grateful mother mother mother but like you know

this is just mother we say anyway but I was excited about it I was excited about the photos I thought that they looked very wicked ish I thought when I think in my head I think exactly those pictures I think I think I saw Elphaba and Glinda in the photos and I get it. I think people are just on edge after the Game of Thrones of it all.

And we're in sort of dark cinematography times as of late. You never know. Even the highest budget things sometimes end up being dark. So people are just concerned. Things will be well lit. That's all I'm going to say. That is my big spoiler from set. That is directly from the set. stop panicking stop worrying bowen yang who who iconically plays fanny in the

film he is can we say that we can say that um we can say that the name is is so silly really plays in the uk people go oh my my god fanny that's that's your name. Oh, you know, they're like, it means pussy in British slang. Does it actually? Yeah. Yes. No! Yeah. That's what we called vaginas growing up.

Fannies? You're Fanny, yeah. That's so funny because in American culture, Fanny is booty. Fanny's butt. I know. I know. Oh, God. That's one of those Fanny.

When I heard about a Fanny pack, I was like, oh, what is that? I was so confused. Yeah. But someone explained it to me. Wow. Okay. Well, hopefully explaining something about why she doesn't like something in culture now is Melanie Linsky. Are you ready to do?

I don't think so, honey. This is a moment in time for anyone that comes on the pod no i know and i'm not ready i'm so nervous i've been agonizing i think i have something okay good the first the first thing that popped into my mind was like the general disrespect that people have for renee zellweger's two Oscar wins. Okay, okay. Well, I was going to, but then I was like, I don't know if I could talk about this for a minute. I just feel like people don't respect her enough, but then I pivoted.

I bet you can do a minute. Let me tell you something. First of all, let me just say right here on this podcast, we have always respected Renee Zellweger, always. I know that. I had an HBO max podcast where we talked about movies and bowen yang came on a renee zellweger themed episode and we respect both those oscar wins even though i believe i firmly believe the first one should have been for chicago and i think i do too and that's you know that gets me in trouble with the nicole gaze but i but I believe Nicole should have won the year before for Moulin Rouge.

And so that's just, and I believe we're all kind of a kerfuffle there, but you know, we respect Renee's as having two wins, no matter what they're for. I mean, I think both those performances are iconic, but then,

but then I thought about something else that impacts my daily life that I would talk about okay for a minute it's maybe not as fun it's more of a p a psa no we need we need the psa no problem this is melanie lindsley i don't think so honey her time starts now okay i don't think so honey gum chewing i'm sorry i have misophonia i have a condition i cannot cannot stand it. Like people come up to me, smacking their gum and trying to have a conversation. I cannot hear a word you're saying. I'm floating up to the ceiling. It creates in the brain of somebody who has misophonia. It goes directly to your fight or flight response. So you want to run away or punch somebody.

And I can't punch anybody. So I'm just sitting there waiting for my moment to leave 30 seconds and in a full panic like it puts me I saw somebody the other day at an event it was really wonderful to see him I hadn't seen him for a long time a woman came up and stood next to him smacking away at gum and I was like now I don't know I don't know what he talked to me about I don't know what she talked to me about and i should have like a little thing where i'm just like i'm so sorry i have a condition but then people also don't really take the condition seriously and they kind of roll their eyes and they're like oh you're sensitive you're sensitive but it's like an actual real thing and i wish we could ban gum oh my god i don't think so honey gum chewing and that's one minute wow this. This is now that you've put a face

to this affliction you've put a face to two things today. Low adrenal function and misophonia. And misophonia. And those two things combined must be really hard

because you've expressed wanting to punch someone chewing around you but like you can't work up the adrenaline to do that. I don't have the energy to punch anyone.

Or the anger. So where does it go? It doesn't the stimulus can't land anywhere it goes into the work i just leave like i just go like i just have to kind of like take myself elsewhere but people do it like it's like a personality trait like people do it with so much like vigor yeah and it's like i it it makes me it's so crazy and you don't chew gum no or if i do i do it with my mouth closed like a human sure sure like a human being melanie matt and i got got a lot of flack one time for an episode don't listen to this it's the second episode of the the 300 great songs the great global songbook. We had lunch delivered. It was a six hour long recording session.

We had lunch delivered in the middle of it. And we, unfortunately we ate during the recording and you can hear us chewing and people with misophonia who the readers, the Katie's with misophonia really, really were upset. And we're, we apologize to everyone for,

for that, for that moment. We, we really, really feel sorry. Yeah. Don't listen to that one. I actually was about to listen to those episodes.

No, no. Listen to the first and the last one, but not the second one. Okay. All right. Good to know. Or you know what? Give it a shot and maybe you'll come around.

Maybe you'll be like, you know what? With these guys, I actually can listen to them too. I cannot. No, no, no. All right. I can't listen to anybody.

There was a time I was with my sister and my husband, and he ran into like a group of old friends. And my sister and I both just stood completely still the whole time. And then when the friends had left, we like collapsed. We were like in such a panic. We were like giggling and screaming. And my husband was like, what happened?

And we were like, the gum, the gum. And he said, who had gum? He doesn't even hear it. My sister was like, who had gum? They were like, the gum, the gum. And he said, who had gum? My sister was like, who had gum? Who had gum? Like, imagine thinking who had gum. So this is like a family, it's a family disorder, the misophonia? It's genetic.

Oh, is it? It's a genetic thing. I've heard. Yeah. My dad has it in my siblings. We now know. We now know. We now know. And we will do better in the future.

I mean, sometimes the thing is we do get so hungry that we must eat, but not on mic. Not anymore. And our Katie's out there with Misophonia. We see you. We hear you. We respect you. We love you. And we will do better.

Oh, that's so lovely. You have a leader in Melanie Linsky now. Thank you. Number one on the Misophonia call sheet. I'll take it. I'll accept that. A leader in this industry. Okay, so Yellow Jackets.

Is it out on Showtime on Fridays and air Sundays? I love when they do this iconic thing, Showtime, of streaming and linear. You'd love it. It's confusing for me. I don't know when to tell people. No, I hate it. I'm just like, it's out on the weekend? It's out on the weekend. You can watch it. It's confusing for me. I don't know when to tell people. No, I hate it. I'm just like, it's out on the weekend.

It's out on the weekend. You can watch it anytime. Yeah. Yeah. It'll definitely be out by Monday. Yeah. Yeah. But I think you're streaming on Friday and then airing on Sunday.

Yes. All right. Perfect. Well, we are, I mean, Bowen, I mean, come on. How do we even express what huge fans we are? We just believe you're one of the greatest out there and we know you absolutely hate compliments but we're not actually working with you right now.

We're actually just, we're actually This is not a professional setting. You're just the greatest and we were so excited when you wanted to come on and this is just the coolest. Well, thank you for indulging my dream of being on less culturistas i love you both so much you're both so so so talented in so many different ways

i just like this podcast has brought me so much joy both of your acting has brought me so much joy you as human beings bring me joy like this is really like a wonderful wonderful experience thank you for putting up with my technical issues and my weird sinuses and my low adrenal function which is always great Melanie this was you are like our Steven Soderbergh

we had the highest expectations and you surpassed all of them thank you so much for coming on thank you for having me oh my gosh. A moment in time. And Bo and Yang, we end every episode with the song. All the

small things true care, true things, I'll take one lift. You're right, that's true. And if you feel like being triggered or not, listen to Blink-182 on all streaming platforms.

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