Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "One And A Half F*ck" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: March 13, 2024

How wonderful life is now that a new pop girlie album is in the world. That album is Eternal Sunshine, and Las Cultch is deep-diving on the music as well as the Ari OF IT ALL. Matt and Bow also discuss the finales of both the Oscar season (aka The Oscars) and The Traitors. Also, a lil bit o' Dune, Royal Family nonsense, Madonna in concert, Problemista, Oh, Mary!, inseam culture, the problem of pants, and how Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth is actually so good it's inconvenient. Bonus episodes are available early for subscribers to Big Money Players Diamond on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/lasculturistasSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. You really dug into those syllables, my friend. Today isn't ding dong. Today is ding dong. Like, today is. Let's go.

You got to give the ding and the dong a little something extra today for the culture. I mean, if you say so, because you, point of transparency for the listeners, for our P.E.K.Fs, I asked Matt if he wants to do the year this year. I know we've been a little bit behind. Trust and believe the segment is not done. We've got many more years to go.

But Matt said, I don't think we can today because he flashed his phone screen in front of me on the Zoom. He said, we've got a lot to cover. And I said, you're right. We have so much to talk about and not for nothing, but all of these things could all have their own episodes. So I just feel as though it's a little crowded this week to then, can you imagine like Oscar week,

like the big pop girly album that's out, like Dune 2 is out, like the Royal Family is finally maybe in complete shambles. Like I saw Madonna. All it took was Photoshop to kill the Royal Family. We will get into it. But what I'm saying is I feel like, can you imagine if we just didn't talk about all this

and we're like, so what happened in 2013? Like that doesn't make sense to me. I know, no. There's stuff happening? That doesn't make sense to me. I know. No. There's stuff happening in 2024 that we really need to address. And that's actually real culture number nine. There's stuff happening in 2024 that we really need to address.

I want to start by saying, and maybe this will make us segue into one of those topics, but Bowen, you crushed this last week. You were so good. That's very nice. But if you didn't watch SNL yet,

Bowen and Ariana Grande did, who was the musical guest, she did an amazing job. They did a Moulin Rouge sketch, which could not have been easy to do. And I know you, my girl. Like, you put your foot in that one. The hardest thing about it was just selling it as an idea

because God loved this man and the producers, but Lauren and the top brass at SNL have this note with everything where they're like, why now? Yeah. And thankfully, and it was Lauren's idea, I was like, tie it into the Oscars. The Oscars are this weekend. We're like, okay, sure. And then I looked it up. I was like, tie it into the Oscars. The Oscars are this weekend.

We're like, okay, sure. And then I looked it up. I was like, oh, Moulin Rouge. The first musical nominated for Best Picture since Beauty and the Beast. So like there was a long stretch of time. I guess that's what I'm doing the math. Beauty and the Beast was 89 or 90. That was like 91.

91, 92, something like that. That's a full decade. Yeah. But now, of course, Best Picture, and ever since the extension to 10 films, and we'll get into the Oscars later, but now it's like, oh, movie musicals are, I guess, kind of commonplace in that category.

When Moulin Rouge came out, I remember that was like, it feels like one of a million times that you've heard the musical is back. And then all of a sudden, you'll hear the musical's out again, and then it will come back. Really, what I think happens is, when a a movie is good then that genre is back if you can believe

that people are sort of um hyperbolic about the way they talk about these things especially as it relates to the film industry like that is what happens but yeah moulin rouge the thing that's so great about it and the why now doesn't even really matter because it's so iconic that like when you see her in that wig and that sateen wig and like you using that voice and like them doing this song, even that set, like. The set, we got to give it up to the folks at SNL Production Design. They really, Leo Yoshimura, legend, was like, we can't do it. And I was like, okay, well, whatever you guys come up with, we'll be fine. And And I was like, okay, well, whatever you guys come up with will be fine. And I

love these people, but of course they have to pull off the impossible every week. Yeah. And they made it look incredible. And that little like palanquin thing on top of the elephant took up so much space on the floor that we could not bring our guests to We Can't Be Friends for the first musical

performance because there was just no room. And I was like, oh, damn. Well, I feel bad about that. I feel bad that the guests at SNL could not, the guests of cast could not go to the floor and watch that song. First of all, guests of cast will be just fine. I think what happens there is they watch it from

the back and they see your other performance and they're totally fine. What was important is that you guys were literally given the actual physical space and emotional space to deliver that sketch. It was really funny. Like you guys should definitely check it out. And I really liked the other sketch too, which was the people pleasers anonymous. I thought that was really funny. Thank you. Thank you. Alison Gates. Overall, what an amazing episode. Josh Brolin. What a gem. He's really good. Really good.

Really consummate professional. Great, perfect example of a host. Yeah, lovely, lovely man. To say nothing of Ms. Scarlett Johansson. Oh my goodness. Crushing Katie Britt. I really hope this doesn't become a Tina Fey, Sarah Palin thing, because that means that Katie Britt will have become part of the culture and I really

don't want that but I said I haven't seen Scarlett Johansson tear up comedy like this since Don John which I haven't seen you haven't seen Don John oh my god that's such a good one Joseph Gordon-Levitt who I believe also

wrote and directed it. Good for him. Scarlett Johansson plays just like that Long Island Staten Island girl. You know what I mean? And she's having a lot of fun with it. She's so hot that it's so funny. It's just a really good one. She's good at that.

I mean, who could forget? Look at this one. Look at that one. Look at this one. You gotta buy a chandelier. We were joking. We were joking the other day, like, someone was saying, like, oh, Scarlett Johansson as Katie Britt, like, that's her best comedy performance of her entire career. I was

like, yeah, well, it's up there with, like, look at this one. Look at that one. The chandeliers. And I was like, oh, not everyone knows that sketch. That's so funny. But also, she did another SNL sketch. God, oh, not everyone knows that sketch. It's so funny. But also, she did another SNL sketch. God, God, God. I think it was with Keenan where she was the funeral singers. That's so

good. And then she also did a really good Deep House Dish back in the day. Deep House Dish is, of course, my favorite sketch of all time. Of all time. James Anderson. That series of sketches James Anderson. But she did a song called Co-Check. This jacket's expensive. Oh, so good.

I love it. What a gem. Well, that was really, really great. And, you know, just to talk about her performances, you must have been able to see them live a bunch. Ari's stuff? Yeah. Yeah, I saw her soundcheck. Just those songs are really, really, really good.

The whole album should be... What do you want to start off with? The album? Let's talk about the album. Let's talk about the album. Yeah, I have to say, I am so obsessed with this. And I can't remember a time when I was so into an album immediately. But actually, it dropped at 9 at so 9 PM in LA.

Cause we were on the way to see Madonna. And so, so I made like a last minute decision to go see Madonna. Like, because I love the night of, I guess people sell their tickets on ticket master. So the price is kind of dip, but I was like,

you know what, what am I crazy? Like, I'm not going to go see Madonna. Like, of course I'm going to go. And so we'll get to that later. But on the way there,

on the way there, we listened to the whole album. Like, I think it was like all the way through. And then we started it over again. I am as someone who's like culture and like, that made me say cultures for me is very much like that late 90s Mariah.

This is very much my shit. It's very that. Tell me that something is more for me than these R&B vocals over these sexy little hooks, this vocal stacking, all these harmonies, this avalanche of harmonies she does. Her vocal

production, she really shows the girls how it's done with these like singer songwriter lyrics like with like dance influences and like I just feel I feel I just feel I feel I feel and so does she

I feel that I think I have my favorite Ari pre-chorus hook of all time which is something about him is made for somebody like me. Baby, come on. It's so like, she's a siren, that girl. Yeah. In terms of vocals,

obviously there's no one in her like peer group that really is capable of what she can do. And I don't even mean just like singing down, like all over the place. What I mean is like she, and I don't know if it's because of wicked or just because of like a way that she's matured or a way that she feels she needs to serve this particular album. But the storytelling is better than it's ever been

and i wonder like and not to do that thing of like she doesn't enunciate back in the day but like you know she was loose with the way that she would like phrase you know what i mean like and she would give it a lot of stylization whereas this is just like very direct she's in like this different register than she is oftentimes. Like, so that you really feel like there's something else that's important to her here, which is like telling the story of this,

these relationships, you know, and how they, they interact with each other and this concept of the eternal sunshine thing, because it really is lightly like a concept album. Yeah. And I think of it as like not necessarily biographical or autobiographical i don't think it is yeah like i think the big tell is um

her use of the word like gotta get out of this like situation it's like okay this is kind of there are liberties being taken with like real life experiences and that's all i'll say but yeah i think it is this thing of what i love that i think she hasn't done in her albums is like poses a question at the beginning answers it by the end love it perfect circle yeah yeah i think that she's spoken in interviews about the fact that it is not autobiographical necessarily. It is based on certain things that she's gone through. But this is one thing I want to say about sort of the macro thing, right? Like the Ariana Grande of it all in terms of the past year or so in terms of the media narrative and stuff like that and how

that gets filtered into the work. And I feel comfortable like bringing it up now because she's now made art about it. And I want to say just a couple things. Let me just first say that if people are going to be like, oh, they're just being sycophantic because Bowen is friends with her. I just I would hope that people would think more of us than that. And also, if you've listened to this podcast and you think that we're getting on here and doing

our jobs badly because we can't be subjective about this stuff, you guys, we just wouldn't bring it up at all. If we didn't like the album and we didn't want to hurt her feelings, we wouldn't bring it up at all. first of all do your research on it I'll speak for myself like this is so my

shit like that like don't tell me I don't like this this is my favorite fucking album of the moment and I actually was listening to it last night again and being like I doubt that something even touches this but just like I'm not lying to you on this podcast I think that this album is

like really special and specific. And yes, sure, I think it can relate to what she's gone through, but also there's obvious things about this. And she's talked about this and spoken to this, that it's like an extrapolation on these kinds of things. And this album will remain special to me because I feel like it really accurately depicts that thing of when one relationship is ending and you can see in the forming of something else why it needs to end. Sometimes it feels like you have to sort through your guilt, accountability, your regrets about a certain thing in order to move through. And that's a really tough process. And I feel like all of those emotions are in this album. And so I commend her in the face of what probably had to feel like a lot of pressure. And I'm sure for some people, it will never be enough. But what I love about this album is it's not like flexing on anybody. It's like very, I think it's really complex.

And all the emotions that go with a relationship ending, a new one starting, being self-conscious about the way that it started, feeling guilty, feeling excited, feeling horny for something that's new it's all there in a way that like i am really connecting to as someone who's been in difficult relationships and emotional situations in the past like i'm feeling that there's a lot of truth and authenticity in this yes truth and authenticity in conjunction with a sensitivity. I think I can say that not autobiographical

as an album, but she was very, very, very purposeful about the way people would be portrayed in this and the way she would portray herself in this and how it's not a totally like, my hands are clean

it's not like she could have absolutely put out an album that was like I'm going to preserve and protect things about my own image or wrest the narrative from someone or the media or

people in these situations I mean I think We Can't Be Friends is not necessarily a lot. It's about her portrayal, the way the media relates to her. I've always felt that. Yeah. And I almost feel like it's about her fans, too. Yeah, like, know that you made me.

I'm botching the lyrics. But I'm still here hanging. Love that. Wait until you love me again. Like, we can't be friends, but I like to pretend. I like to just pretend. Like, cling to your papers and pens. I'll until you love me again. Like, we can't be friends, but I like to pretend. I like to just pretend. Like, cling to your papers and pens. I'll wait for your love again. Like, she's like, we're in a tough spot right now,

and I get it. Like, I didn't think you would understand me, but, like, you know, it's all these things that are incredibly fragile and I think very nuanced. And there is, I'm just thinking, this is the only thing that I'm going nuanced. And there is, I'm just like, this is the only thing that I'm going to not acknowledge about the situation, which is that like,

there is such a unqueer, puritanical Christian way. We are approaching marriage in the discourse, very like trad wife. I'm like, this is interesting. Like everyone's being very like this sanctity of marriage of course it is so much more complicated than that but at the heart of these conversations that we've

had in like infidelity discourse with everybody because i will also just say like the thing and we can't be friends is like the narrative is wrong the narrative is wrong and she's not even outwardly saying that but the narrative has been incorrect and people have even retracted things in these stories with no fucking apology to the people who are involved yeah yep i can tell you for a fact that what people out there seem to be clinging onto is incorrect. Yeah. I mean, that's, I guess, another thing of it is, it's not that people sound silly or sound dumb. It's just watching something in action when the truth is something else. And that has to be incredibly frustrating for everyone

in terms of people attacking the sanctity of marriage or whatever. I think that people's point is that it's more than that because there was a young family, et cetera, all these things. But I think that, and I'm just going to speak in terms of my personal experience here, and I'm just going to share this. Sometimes I think it feels like when you have a sort of cosmic thing happen where you fall in love in such an intense way, and it almost feels like the right thing to do is to move forward with that for everyone involved. Do you know what I mean? If you have a situation where- It feels feels absolute in terms of the actionable thing, it is so consuming in a way that like can be destructive, but it cannot feel that way

from within that, that closed system of like two people. I mean, it's like, it makes it cliche for like the man to like fuck the secretary, which is not what's happening here. But it's like, it's why this thing persists in like humanity, you know? Yeah. I think that we love a gray area and we

love like an anti-hero and we love like something that's complicated and emotional and fraught as long as it's not real. I think we want to root for Olivia Pope to fuck that president for the rest of her life. You know what I mean? We root for true love. In other senses, we want complexity.

It feels like everywhere else except what's real because then when something is real and we can make it about us we can become the complex figure but the fact is like everyone's a human being and like goes through things and sometimes this shit is more complicated than you would think. Especially for someone who has been through specific relationship trauma. Specific emotional trauma as it relates to the past,

the way that she's been treated, the way that she has seen her relationships start and end. That is something that's like, it's difficult when you are public because it almost looks like a sort of thing you can't possibly take seriously. But the fact is, it is not our life. You have to imagine that people are not doing things with destructive impulses. You can't imagine that anyone meets

and are like, wow, you know what we're about to do? Ruin lives. We're about to be emblematic for something bad. No one goes out in their life and does that. What people do is they go out in their life and they engage with other people and they engage with their emotions. And sometimes things happen. And I feel like we are allowing a complexity in fictional people, but not real people. And I think it's really crazy what happens in the discourse. And I'm not saying you have to like her. I'm not saying you have to like the album. I'm not saying you have to agree with me or agree with Bowen. But what I'm saying is we should probably allow for the possibility that not everything is exactly what it seems because it feels like when we engage with entertainment, that would suggest that we're all someone that we can be ready made to criticize and hate and project on, we lose all ability to see shades of gray in any situation. And that is what's happening here,

full stop. What's great about it is we have this excellent art and that we can have a discourse about sure she could have very easily made this a reputation album an album that was like fuck you i've been completely misunderstood i will emerge from this victorious if not like completely alienated from a whole kind of narrative that's been created out of my control. But I think instead it's this very fragile, delicate work. And I think it's her most sonically cohesive album. I think it has just such a specific vocabulary.

Like I really think she like came out of positions and was like, I put out my vibes album. Let me go back to like the root of this thing for me, which is like, I was singing Mariah since I could talk, you know, like, let me,

let me go back to that. And I really feel comfortable talking about this. And anyone who's rolling their eyes at what I'm about to say can really go fuck off i have understood in recent months that like a media narrative can be completely consuming and devastating and like frustrate you to no end because of how wrong it is yeah and having your name be put in sentences along with other names as a way of like canceling anything you do out of like

invalidating what you do, like pushing absolute falsehoods. I'm sorry. It is a really fucking disorienting thing to experience. I'm just going to say that. And I'm sure people who listen to this have experienced this on different levels, scales bigger than mine, smaller than mine. It doesn't matter. But you must understand that there's something universal about this thing of like,

oh no, you don't, you've completely misinterpreted, not even misinterpreted, just like mistaken on a literal level, like what has happened to me, what I have done, what I have not done. And you can be completely vindictive about that or you can make the choice to just move forward and make something out of it if you want, cope with it, process it. This girl knows how to process shit through her work. Like we've known that to be true

since years and years and years ago. Like let her cook, as we say now. You know what I mean? Leave it alone. Yeah. Just leave it alone. That's all. I mean, for me too, like,

it's just what's been created out of whatever she's gone through, like, in her old relationship, whatever she's experienced, entering a new one, is this really cohesive story that I think that is Eternal Sunshine, which is starting with, am I in the right relationship? I don't know. I actually

am positive I'm not. And for me, that's bye. But obviously I slip up and there's, I don't want to break up again. Like I'm still going back and forth. I just remember when my last relationship ended, there were so many times where I thought I was done you know what i mean there were so many times where i thought like that i i was like on my boy by shit you know what i mean but then you slip back and you realize like what am i doing to hurt someone how have i been hurt like do i not like this person anymore my favorite element of the whole album like my favorite section is We Can't Be Friends into I Wish I Hated You. I had to talk about it in therapy. The We Can't Be Friends music video, which really is the story of the whole album, I had to cry when I first saw it. And then I cried

about it in therapy, talking about it. And then I cried about thinking about therapy later. It was Pisces season down. And this album is coming at a really fraught astrological time. And, but I have to say like, I wish I hated you. Like that is really ultimately at the, and the fact that that's really the last song that's about the old relationship before she ends it,

like in a state of peace about the fact that like, she's going to try to step forward, like, and really like actualize this thing that she deeply believes is the love of her life like the last thing that she says is there's no way i can justify anything other than what i will always have for you which is just love like i got into this relationship with you oops oh I got into this relationship with you because I love you

and that's actually never gonna go away like even if something even if shit really goes down like if shit really burns down what's gonna always be true is that there was so much love there and hopefully at the end of every relationship like what you can do is leave it and you can is that there was so much love there. And hopefully at the end of every relationship,

like what you can do is leave it. And you can remember what was really important was that you loved somebody and that they loved you back. And hopefully that's always the leave behind. Yeah, I mean, it should be. And of course, situations are ugly. And of course, shit doesn't always make sense. But I guess the last thing I'll say is that we shouldn't be demanding that people, especially artists, be perfect. Of course, have your opinions. You know what I mean? But

we're going to live in a very boring world if everyone just acts the way that you want them to. And if we can't ever learn from people, and we can't ever absorb from people and we can't ever absorb people and we can't ever have difficult situations reflected back to us. And this is very conflicted, I think at times tortured, at times euphoric. The work asks a lot of questions. It answers some of them. Everything is very in process. And I, you know, I hope the best for anyone that's like representing their relationship here or feel seen by the work here. I hope that, you know, everyone can find like a peace with love in their life. You know what I mean? But like, I also know that cosmic love

and those feelings, you know, they don't always pan out in the best way. And here's what you can know. If anyone's going to really pay for it, it'll be the people that took the risks. So don't you worry out there. Like if what you really want is for people that you don't agree with to fail, like who knows, like they just might. But I would hope that we're not mine to reveal. But I can say that the matrix of information that you are using to draw a line to the karmic outcome you want is not existent.

Yeah. And I would say that even thinking about us going back five years, some people being like, oh, if this were five years ago, they would tear her up. You know what I mean? Or whatever. I would hope that we don't talk about these things the, if this were five years ago, they would tear her up. You know what I mean? Or like whatever. I would hope that we don't talk about these things the same way we did five years ago,

because maybe the tone has changed for the general culture consuming population. You know what I mean? Like all of us are kind of evaluating things differently. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. If you get the ick from thinking that we are like defending these people that like most of whom we don't really have that much of a connection with anyway yeah then fine i'm here to tell you like would you be putting your friends your co-workers on blast absolutely not yeah shut the fuck up and it's not a transactional thing. It's not that this is a muzzle, but like, I'm just

going to say this is someone who has been a true friend to me. And has shown me love. She has shown me, whatever. Not that that buys you. Yeah, but two things can be true. I believe that every single fucking thing we just said is true and I also believe that you're

goddamn right if something went down. Especially during that believe that you're goddamn right. If something went down, especially during that time when you were not having an easy time, I knew that you had someone that was like really looking out for you and really riding hard for you and like really being there for you. And I will be fucking grateful to that person for ever because there's nothing I care about more than you. And the fact that someone had your back. Yeah.

So what we are going to fucking that someone had your back. Yeah. So what? We are going to fucking have that person's back. Anyway, that's the album. I love it. I fucking love that. And also like not for nothing, but it will be so identifiable with a moment. And she should feel so proud of herself. I said, you know, who's definitely proud of her for this?

Fucking Mariah. Mariah would have made this album if she was ariana's age and like if this was like that moment in time for her this album reminds me in many ways of butterfly it reminds me of like you know it reminds me of like a new era mariah because i do believe where this is new era ari like she talks about how you know it's equal parts Mariah and Imogen Heap. I think that is so executed so well. And I don't know. What I care about ultimately is that fucking art is good and interesting and makes people think and makes people feel. This is all those things to me.

Well fucking done. I mean, this is definitely going to be one of my favorite albums of the year and i will listen to it forever and i fucking love positions i love what ariana grande is like yeah yeah my pussy is a strawberry like don't don't get me wrong like i love pussy is a strawberry right you know what i mean like i love i'm rich love it and like but like it would have been so easy for her to to just do an album of that and sidestep this whole thing and be like, it's me, Ari. Yeah, yeah. But she didn't.

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I think the wins were... I mean, it never is. It never is. The wins were very satisfying up until, I would say, the end, maybe. But not like all of them at the end. But I will say I mean, the Boy and the Heron winning, Poor Things winning the technical Oscars, I was like, okay, like this is...

There's an even spread here. I am like, oh, kind of a bummer that the only two shutouts within Best Picture were Killers, The Flower Moon, and Maestro. Not a bummer, but it's like, it would have been, it kind of would have been like a great thing if like all 10 movies had gotten some flowers. That's all.

Yeah. I think that like ultimately the Oppenheimer of it all is kind of l because I feel like at least I can speak for myself. I went out of my way to see everything. I did end up seeing killers. I did end up seeing zone, which was hard, but I 100% agree with it winning what it won. I think the best sound win is a really inspired choice because sound is so crucial to the success and how hard that movie hits. But it beating Oppenheimer was obviously a surprise.

But I guess the big note there is in terms of sound, one thing we need to be able to hear is the dialogue. So that would be, I guess, my thing about Oppenheimer, which I respect its win. I understand and respect that people feel that that's by far the best movie of the year I do disagree and I say this as a Christopher Nolan fucking super fan I am I am Dark Knight Hive I love Inception you can catch me weeping to Interstellar like you know what I mean like I love Christopher Nolan I just think this one was tough because the length and I do think the sound mixing is an issue. But, you know, it did run away

with pretty much everything. What I liked was I love poor things. And I feel like when it started to win earlier in the night, I was like, oh, maybe this two-horse race isn't really going Lily Gladstone's way.

And just to speak to the Lily Gladstone and Emma Stone of it all, that could have gone either way. It would have been an incredible moment had Lily Gladstone won the Oscar. But if you haven't seen Poor Things, then you should. And I wish that people wouldn't take Lily Gladstone's Oscar loss out on Emma Stone. Because that is so unfair. And that is, of course, the way the discourse has gone, because as we've just said, the discourse is toxic and decides it

has to be one thing. And it's so black and white. There has to be heroes and villains. So Lily Gladstone has to be a hero here. And Emma Stone has to be a villain here because she's won the Oscar. When Emma Stone is is fucking talented as shit what she decides to do with her movie stardom is like produce things like poor things which is thought-provoking and radical and feminist and really cool and like problemista she's producing problemista like please miss me with like she's emblematic with racism and like some sort of like bigger thing than it is like do not take it out on her if you're disappointed for lily that's fine her career is forever changed she's now an oscar

nominated actress she's the most famous person coming out of that conversation because everyone's rooting for her and wanting her next thing her career will be fine like it doesn't have to be fuck emma stone there's also this other thing going on where everyone's like, well, she should have done supporting. Lily should have done supporting and then she would have won. It's this weird kind of post-mortem, but Kyle Buchanan was saying this. It's like, no,

by campaigning herself for lead, she's telling Hollywood, I am a leading actress. Take me seriously. Absolutely. She should have no regrets. No one should believe that she should have done things any differently. She pulled off a flawless campaign, start to finish, not a single misstep. And yes,

it's frustrating that she did not take home the trophy, but she is coming out of this a full winner. She is moving forward with complete power and grace and everything that she deserves. I'm super excited for her. I mean, I saw she's the lead of that Hulu show. That looks really good. She won the SAG award. She's won a Golden Globe. And now, sometimes I think that helps propel a narrative.

You know what I mean? Emma Stone wins this Oscar. By the way, no one looked more mortified than Emma Stone. That reaction shot of her winning that Oscar. You can tell she didn't want it like this. You know what I mean? But also it's like last year with the Cate Blanchett and Michelle Yeoh of it all. You get a sense that Cate Blanchett started like campaigning for Michelle Yeoh because she could feel this heat breathing on her neck of like, if you win, fuck you, the person you'll have taken it from.

It's like it shouldn't be about that what's important is the art what's important is that last year the michelle yo and cape lanchette year we had two towering performances that were so different that were given by people that are the best in their fields and yes the oscar was won by michelle yo it felt incredible it was so deserved it was what i was rooting for but what's really important is the art that they created what's important is that we created the character of evelyn what's important is that we created the character of lydia tar and by we of course i mean them yeah yeah that's ultimately what's important and this oscars thing this like winning losing narrative is like,

it doesn't mean that person is a loser. It just means that it means that like one of them won an Oscar. Like now we know the story of Molly and we know Bella Baxter is this like really fun Yorgos character. Like there is like an Osage narrative that is like a Scorsese directed film. Like if you think about it, I don't know. Not that we're like revolutionizing the way to think about this or to like have the discourse. But it's like if I frame it in that way, it's like it's incredible that like this was the Oscars race.

And like, yeah, it's a weird. Yeah. I mean, someone did a super cut of like Emma's reaction shot to the win and then like cutting to like screenshots of the discourse and whatever. Like it's just. I did see that. The spectator sport of it is like a little gratuitous in a way that's fun. And like, that's why we love award season. But it just feels like it gets longer and longer every year.

And by extension, a little bit more exhausting and draining so that by the time it's past Sunday, I'm like, I don't really want to think about these movies ever again. Is that bad? Yeah, no, 100%. And I feel like the season is very long because it feels like it starts in September and goes to March. March. To the point where, like, Oscar season, like, give me

a break. Like, this is just what it is. I'll tell you what I loved, and I'm clapping for the writers branch because we picked two great movies to win the screenplay awards and this is these are the categories that I like always am nail biting about because I just

always want like the right script to be solidified with this Oscar win you are a writer down I love that I would say Anatomy of a Fall that was one of my favorite movies of the year they tore that script up like incredible and then american fiction i absolutely loved it was so great and cord jefferson i just want to shout out because that speech was incredible what he used his time to say was so worth it and it was so meaningful and it was so true and you could feel

everyone being like yes that is that is exactly right like instead of a 200 million dollar budgeted movie that may or may not fail and then we all have to pay for that like in terms of like you know the fact that we don't have the opportunity to see smaller budgeted things because all the budget went to that one thing that may or may not be good because those are the movies that are more likely to be put together by committee artistically in a way like on an executive level like we're just the soul of the film industry is like dying and more and more every single year and it's because we are not investing in more talent and ideas that are like... Interesting.

Actually interesting. He said, make tons of smaller budget movies and invest in more stories and more talent than this one big budgeted movie. And I really do believe that's the way too. I couldn't agree with him more. And there he is holding an Oscar on stage for one of those modestly budgeted movies. And so he's in a position of power to speak to that. And I'm really grateful that he did. And I really respect him. He's speaking as a writer and a director. It's like, I mean, the impact of that, sorry to Frances McDormand, but I mean, inclusion writer, has that impacted at all? I hope. I want to say it has, but I have not seen that be the norm. And that's not a ding on Francis. No.

But I think this could actually hopefully have some impact. I hope so. Everyone was watching. I was watching with House and Whitaker and Tom, and we were all just cheering. Whitaker is friends with Cora Jefferson. I believe they work together. They work together and then Whitaker showed us a photo

of them watching the Oscars together five years ago just hanging out. I was just like, what a beautiful... He seems like such a great guy and it feels like he's very beloved. And I'm really... I mean, if you haven't seen American Fiction you should definitely check it out I mean like it's really

smart it's brand new and check out The Good Place on Peacock yeah you gotta check out The Good Place on Peacock it's really smart it's brand new I do miss The Good Place The Good Place was great I love The Good Place The Good Place was a lot of fun

can you believe they gave Messi the dog from Anatomy of a Fall a seat at the Oscars? Messi had a full seat. Messi had a full seat, but everyone was very up in arms about the puppet, the applause pre-tape. They shot that beforehand, which, you know, as well-trained as Messi is, as much of a professional and an amazing actor as he is, you can't tell him and communicate these things. He can't explain that this is an award show and you're here because you did a great job.

Messi is capable of so much, including performing an overdose in Anatomy of a Fall. I don't know, bitch. I think they could have taught the dog to clap in real time. I agree. I don't know, bitch. I think they could have taught the dog to clap in real time. I agree. I'm with the mob on this one.

Oh, gosh. Did you see the shot of Messi at the end of the broadcast of Messi raising his leg up to pee on Matt Damon's Hollywood Walk of Fame star? I didn't see that, but I love it. Little Jimmy Kimmel joke.

Little Jimmy joke. I thought Jimmy Kimmel was great. I thought that it was really fun. Also, shout out Louis Vertel. He wrote for the Oscars. He did a lot of the monologue. I know that was his lifelong dream, so I just want to say congratulations to that fucking bitch.

I wanted to say I fucking... One of my favorite things about any award show is when Billie Eilish is there. She's so good. I fucking love her. She's so fucking good. She's so fun. I just love watching her perform. I love that song so much.

I'm so glad it won. I'm so happy it got everything it deserved. You know, it's the first song since My Heart Will Go On to win Song of the Year at the Grammys and the Oscar for Best Original Song. Culturally, it has that impact. You know what I mean? Like, nuts and shallow.

Like, oh, Whitaker was saying this like it seems like every five years or so best original song feels like the category of the night yeah and it's really because we're honoring a cultural moment which i feel like right keeps that category alive in a way totally but like the gaps in between those years feel like yeah conciliatory almost. I mean, literally five years ago was Shallow, you know, and it was just like, oh my God, this was a moment, you know? I know. We kept calling it the

Shallow shot, which was like shooting with the audience in frame like from behind or whatever. That's so funny. Oh man, yeah. And shout out to Becky G. Shout out to Becky G shout out to Becky G that cutaway to Diane and Eva Longoria

I mean that is did you hear about this controversy like apparently Diane Warren flipped a shit when Cynthia and Ariana were announcing best original song because Cynthia was like tonight we've seen nominees for best original song and Ariana goes and the Oscar

goes to and just opened the envelope. Whether or not she was supposed to say the nominees first is in dispute, but Diane Warren apparently started screaming and was running around furious because Ariana hadn't said the nominees, which means that Diane Warren didn't get her name read out.

This is the rumor that's happening. And apparently Eva Longoria saw Diane start to spin out and she went to the bar. She was like, I'm not handling this. She was like, I am not dealing with this. She was like, I thought I was going to be off the fucking clock. She goes, bitch, I got the fire inside.

I am out of here. Bitch, this is Endgame. I directed this movie. I am loving it. I'm just happy and grateful that it got the Oscar nom. Yeah. Miss me with that, Diane. We love Diane, though. We love Diane.

I mean, say don't go. That's her most famous song. The woman wrote Because You Love Me. But like, I don't know. At the moment, I was like, oh, is she opening that envelope a little early? But then now I'm kind of happy because I do love that there was drama. Ari and Al Pacino not naming the nominees.

I think that was just like a programming now, a production note. I thought it had to be. I was like, let's keep it moving because the songs were shortened too. The songs were very, like, were like very abbreviated, I thought, except for I'm Just Ken and What Was I Made For made for which you know i guess

oh i'm just ken was so good i loved that he was great like i just thought good he got it and also like to be that relaxed and singing live on the oscars like that's really cool shit i mean especially for someone who we know you know people who know know he is a singer but like not really known for being like some live singer like yeah yeah it was really good the whole thing you could tell it was like a very joyous performance i love that they gave barbie as much real estate on the show as they did even though it only won the one award because it was one of the stories of the year obviously absolutely and Absolutely. And back to Billie, like, it was just that first shot of Ryan in the audience. Like, Billie is cracking up, cutting up. I'm like, I was like, oh, this is the right vibe.

Like, the Barbie, that whole Barbie group is, like, so, it feels like such good vibes. Everyone's just, like, really, really, I don't know, like, very, like, basking in, in like this journey that they've all been on which ended that night you know like Margot fucking looked stunning Greta looked amazing yeah all of it

America snatched America snatched I did have one moment of just like oh right I could I was supposed to be you were supposed to be in that

and that's all I'll like acknowledge about it but I was just like oh my god and then it cuts you at at home staring at the space. When did all the I will say one of the fun moments

of the show was Rita Moreno presenting America, Ferreira. America. I loved that. I thought it was great. I love the Fab Five coming out and doing the speeches. I love that. I will say if i have one thing it was charlie's really flopped hers like i've never been stung by a jellyfish cut to a

net benning like oh this is what we're doing like i think charlie's was trying to give it like a gravitas that like was not placed correctly like it was obviously a joke like if you have to lean on it a little bit but she tried to play this like middle ground or like underplay it like you can't underplay I've never been stung by a jellyfish but watching you Annette Bening I felt like I had you can't

that there's nothing you know there's nothing emotional about that like there's no grip there there's no purchase like lean on it a little bit, Charlize. We have to understand that it's a joke because then at the end, it was just so funny because Annette Bening's sitting there. She's already pissed.

She had to get a dress for this. She was like, so she didn't. But she's sitting there and then at the end of that thing, Charlize's speech, she kind of goes like, you can see her kind of tilt her head and be like, eh.

Annette Bening, what a perfect model for award show behavior was like, fuck this. I'm wearing a mother of the bride garment. I don't give a fuck. I'm going to wear my fucking tinted glasses. Those were chic.

Those were chic. Her most animated moment all night was Kimmel at the end doing like the Trump jail time joke. Patrick and I were chic those were chic her most animated moment all night was Kimmel at the end doing like the Trump jail time joke Patrick and I were laughing laughing because she was like Annette to her she was so tickled by it Annette was down for that Trump drag yeah she was really down for it I it's just Patrick also house was like no Patrick is rooting for Annette the whole night I mean yeah he was Annette's hype and honestly I loved Annette Banning and Nia and I talked about it a couple weeks ago like it was

so good but what else oh love Divine's speech like that was so great like Robert Downey Jr I thought we front loaded our speeches this season like it's hard when you keep seeing the same person go up again, again, again

because by the time Oscar night comes around, it feels anointed in a way and the speeches feel less... You know what I mean? I feel like one of the only people that really worked all the way up to giving her best speech was Devine. And then, you know, not everyone else nailed the speeches, but...

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I'm going to this week, but I can't wait to see Timmy ride that worm. I can't wait for the ghost of Oscar Isaac, I guess. He's not in it. Oh, he's in the credits. He's credited in Dune 2. I looked it up. I was like, did they credit Oscar Isaac? I know Momoa's not credited

because of what happens, but for some reason, Oscar, maybe I looked at the wrong thing, but I could have sworn that Oscar Isaac was listed as a starring actor in Dune 2. And I was like, oh, I guess they do a flashback or something. I don't know. Momoa? Momoa is not credited

in Dune 2. He's not in it. Right. But I'm saying, but did I say Oscar Isaac? Yeah. But Oscar Isaac is credited in Dune 2 I believe, and he's not in it either. He is? Because he's not in the movie, but why would Momoa Momoa, he's not in this. He was in the first one.

He was? Yes. Jason Momoa? Jason Momoa. Aquaman? Shaved. Shaved Jason Momoa. He was? I think he looks hotter without the beard. Sorry, Jason. Oh, okay. Interesting. I didn't even remember that. Okay, so the thing about

Dunes is I definitely go see them, but I am miserable almost every second while I'm watching them. And then the second I leave, I can't stop thinking about them. I loved that. But while it's happening, they're so... I think it's because you feel sand. You feel the sand if you're watching. I don't like to be sandy.

People know that. And I'm always worried about people's ocular health. Because of all the dust and all the sand and also the context they have to keep putting in their eyes I'm just so concerned about Timmy and Zendaya and sort of their eyes and their nostrils and Javier as well I will say my favorite part of these movies is

Rebecca Ferguson amazing protect her at all costs Lady Jessica is that girl the performance that she gives in this and the first one, I thought were great. This is the kind of thing I would like to see a nomination for. So, so, so good. She's so

like, it's like this mixture of unbothered and completely physically tortured, which makes me laugh and gives me a thrill. Loved her talking to her baby Anya Taylor-Joy and then loved the one scene with Anya Taylor-Joy. I hope she got paid $100,000 for being

a day player. At least. I was like, literally, that's all I could think about. I saw it with Abe Schwartz, and I was like, I left, and I was like, how much do you think they paid Anya? I think the route of Rebecca Ferguson is unbothered. I think that you see her in an interview, she's like, oh, what is this? I don't give a fuck. But it's so

charming. I love her. I think we need see in an interview, she's like, oh, what is this? I don't give a fuck. But it's so charming. I love her. I think we need to get, we need to give her way more. I think she is actually top 1% of the talent in Hollywood. It's her, but I was looking at her IMDB because I was, of course, trying to track down.

Majority from The Greatest Showman to Dune? Oh yeah, I was like, no, well, that obviously, but she was out but she made news because she said, I'm going to tell you something. There was an actor years ago, total asshole, and he was mean to me on set, and I never forgot it. Who do you think it is? Well, I have my opinions, but I...

Oh. You're protecting celebrities again. No, fine. I'll just say, I think looking at it, it's either Michaelael fastbender or jake gyllenhaal and then i watched interviews with both of them because this is how on the case i was and it seemed like at least in terms of the press presentation that she had good relationships with both of them so what i'll say about rebecca ferguson and all this is she was

incredibly honest in that last interview and she's also incredibly good at press because you cannot tell which person it is that was cruel to her on set to the point where she was like, I refuse to work with you today. You know, but that is what that is what she has said. So much smoke and mirrors out there. Should we talk about the royal family? Because this is eating my ass up. I was going to say I was going to transition. I was going to say Rebecca is one of our great Brits. And to go to some ungreat Brits, let's talk about this whole fucking thing.

Let's fucking go. So that is the craziest photo I've ever seen in my life. I can't believe they thought that was going to fly. It's completely unhinged. Either these are the dumbest people in the world, or they think we're the dumbest people in the world. And maybe it's both. I think it's both.

That window on the left, I'm not even looking at it. I can just, just all of it is so, what's the word? Eerie, like really disturbing. So disturbing, this photo. They are eerie and disturbing people. So for those of you who don't know, like Kate Middleton has been missing. I think everyone knows at this point. I mean, I'm don't know, like Kate Middleton has been, I think everyone knows at this point.

I mean, I'm sure everyone knows, but Kate Middleton's been missing and they released this photo of her that was so clearly like either AI or Photoshop or something that was just like me and my children together. Definitely today. And everyone was like, that's obviously fake. What the fuck? And then they announced, I think she made a statement taking credit for that and was like, I'm so sorry, that was me.

I'm an amateur photographer. I dabble in Photoshop. First of all, mama, Kate Middleton, you were not on Photoshop putting this photo together. Like, no way, no way. You barely know how to use a computer. I can't believe the lengths they are going to cover up what is going on which by the way the cat's out of the bag because did you see that

clip from big brother uk no tell me ballin fucking ekin sue is now on big brother uk with, I guess, a relative of Kate Middleton. And so in the Big Brother house, Ekansu asked, and this is, you can see a video of this because it's the Big Brother house. She goes, I have to ask you, where is Kate? And her cousin or something, or her uncle or something, sighs

and goes, you know, they've asked me not to talk about it, but just, she's getting the best care he literally says those words is she was is she okay and he was just like you know i'm i've really i'm in contact with her mother i'm not really supposed to talk about it but like we're they're doing like what they can i can't believe eck and sue is fucking eck and sue was the one. Oh my God. So, and I literally, I had to laugh because I was like, wow, it's all converging

in a way that's so crazy. But what's obviously happening is she's ill. She's not well. And for some reason, they feel the need to cover that up or not tell the truth about this to the fact that they would now outwardly lie and misrepresent things, they gotta go. They can't be trusted.

They can't be trusted. This is the ghost of Diana just like fucking up every single lane of this family to me. Like, there is no good royal right now, I'm sorry, or ex-royal for that matter. Not one. You can't root for these people. No.

It's so crazy. There never was. Not to say that there ever was. I'm sorry. I keep going. Except Diana. Yeah. Well, I think that this is way worse than they think. Of course. I think this is like maybe even the straw that breaks the camel's back because even people that like didn't

care about the treatment of Diana and didn't care about the treatment of Megan like have't care about the treatment of Megan, like have an issue with this because it's being lied to this. Yeah. And it's just like, what would be the big deal about being transparent and honest about what she's going through? You know what,

what is, if she's very ill, like tell people that like, what would be the big deal? The imagery of the Royal family right now is that it's falling apart because of Charles. And I mean, it's all pretty bleak and dark, but it's like they can't afford to look any weaker than they already are, than they already do. I think it's a total miscalculation on their part. And I think they obviously have the worst PR in the world. But I

think when they've been the most powerful and when they've been the most beloved is when they appear the most human. You know what I mean? Like Elizabeth coming out and greeting the mourners, like William and Harry, like when Diana passed away, like them being so obviously in a state of grief and mourning and the country could be there for them and rally around them like you know even harry and megan leaving like that's a very like human thing in terms of like i just feel like they need to understand like it is through humanity and it is again through complexity and gray area that we all can truly connect and I feel like they're trying to withhold this

image that is now like we know completely constructed because it's starting to fall apart in front of our very eyes and I'm like what is this all for what is this all for it's to preserve

meaning in like this thing that has had meaning for, I mean, like this is not to totally like discount the Royal family and like what its value is in like British culture and world culture. It's like the value of the monarchy is to like give people a sense of like, Oh, like let's fixate on these people for all these reasons.

And, like, now that the fixation is grim and dark and, like, has, like, a mortal element to it, it's a little sad. I think, like, people in the UK would, and across the world, would, like, freak out a little bit, I think. But it's not that they already aren't. It's just that, like, the smoke and mirrors of it is a way to keep people like somewhat sane and yet it's having the opposite effect i just think if she's really ill i hope that everything's okay but what they're telegraphing now is that everything is not okay and now people are going to be panicking now Now people are going to be like, even if they are to come out in a couple weeks or whatever and say what

the truth is, who's to say that that can even be trusted? At this point they have completely lost everyone. Not everyone, but like the majority. I think most people. Yeah. Anyway, listen speaking of Ekansu, I just really want to

debrief on the traitors. Yeah, we have to. I have it on my little list. I mean, that finale was eventful. It wasn't uneventful. You can't say nothing happened. Yeah. I do think it was just such an empty finish.

It was scoundrel behavior from Trishel. I'm just going to put it on Trishel, honestly. And CT, I guess if they both went in, because they both made that pact with each other, I am a little thrown by CT voting for Trishel. Trishel voting for CT? Trishel voting for CT, yes, yes, yes. But the way they

iced out MJ was just so fucking crazy to me. It's just like, oh, you couldn't have done a three-way split just on a math level? On a greed level? Is that what that was? I mean, yeah. It's a game. Totally. I think, yeah. I think what they did is above board. Okay. Well, I... We're going to disagree.

Agree to disagree. I didn't watch the reunion, although someone did say, for people who don't watch Bravo, you have to understand how embarrassing it is for Trishel to sit that far away from the center. In terms of the gameplay, ultimately, she was the only person who deserved the money. Her and CT, because MJ got to the end

literally wrong every single time. I mean, she was literally a definition of a goat. So I understand being with her at the end and being like, I don't want to share the money with her. I mean, that's happened before. And it is a game. Like, yes, maybe they were the faithfuls the whole time.

And so you don't want to backstab a faithful, but it's also like you are there to win the money. So as a game move, I would have respected it had they gone in and been like, you and I are going to split the money like we said we were. Let's get her out of here, because ultimately she also could be a traitor. I do believe that Trishel had a reason to believe that CT could have been a traitor. And so when she voted for him, I was shocked. And then she talked it through afterwards.

I was watching an interview with her afterwards and she talked it through. And I was like, oh, yeah, there were definitely times where his willingness to allow her to get a shield. She read that as like, oh, he doesn't feel like he needs one. He's a traitor. Like there were there were moments where i was just like i get that reasoning so i would have understood it either way you know yeah i think it's a little bit of a bummer that kate kind of stopped trying at the end but that's kate down like she she is someone who disengages like that yeah as we saw last season you kind of gotta love her but being in the top four

when there literally had to be a traitor there because Sheree had been murdered and her being like I believe that everyone here is a faithful it's like mama you just gave it away but then it's like I don't know did she throw it because she came in halfway through and said

I don't really deserve this like let's let them have the money and duke it out. I can see that. But yeah, obviously, anytime anyone is in any of these games, I want to see them try to win all the money. That's just what I think is gameplay.

I understand. It's gameplay, but it is so funny. Trishel was framing the entire game as an absolutely moral kind of like crusade where it was like, the traitors are murdering us. We have to get like. Was she? I kind of took it as that.

I was like, she's taking this serious, like, and I understand the shift to like pure gameplay towards the end, but it was like a, oh, I don't know. I just, I just don't like her. That's all. She's like Giselle levels to me. I'm like, I can just tell. Giselle and Trishel are not your girls. Anyone that ends with an L,

except Chrishell. Chrishell, we love you. Chrishell, you're a legend. We love you, Chrishell. No, if Trishel shows up to an upfront event, not that I get invited to them anyway, but I'm just like, no, it's always like the upfront is always where Bowen is expecting to have to throw hands.

Yes. I'm going to do it. Sorry. Sorry, Donna Langley. I feel like, yeah, I mean,

it was a fun season. It was a fun season. I'm sorry. I don't think so. Honey, Dan and Peter, like just people who kind of like killed the vibe of the whole thing. Dan, by like killing the sort of like making it impossible for the traders to win.

And then Peter for just being so smug and making the faithfuls impossible to root for. That's it. Yeah, that's a really good distillation of what it was. I guess like I just wish that people could get all on the same page about like the fact that it's a game and you got to do what you got to do to win the game like and i feel like in australia not in the uk in the uk they were very emotional all over the place but in australia it was clear that everyone was there for the money which is why you're there like and so anytime like some some emotion comes into it or whenever anyone's like, I have to think, should I vote with my

head or my heart? I'm like screaming at the TV, your head! Vote with your head! But the thing about this season of The Traitors, which I thought was interesting to see play out, was like, if it is all reality TV veterans, there are so many other factors

that go into it where it's like, it's not like a full normie season where it's like, they don't know each other. They don't know each other from Adam. They don't know what their strategies or what their reputations are. Like this was a season of the traders

where it was like, oh, did it work? And I think it did, but did it work if everyone knows, has all these preconceived notions going in? That's all. Yes, definitely. That's one what i think whatever it is it just has to be on even playing field and season three it is going to be reality stars again like that's yes yes yes confirmed but what i like about an all normies cast like

an australia cast is you really believe they need the money. And so, for example, like on Australia, it's one woman being like, yeah, probably with the money I'll get a new hand. It's like, that's different than Kate Chastain. You know what I mean? Probably with the money I'll get a blowout every week for the rest of my life. You know what I mean? It's like, I would rather... I don't think she

cares about her hair. No, that's right. I said in every scene, Kate looks like she's hanging upside down. It's wild. Her hair is fanned out. Her hair is chaotic as shit in every scene. It's like the hairstylist was like, hmm, for you,

we're going to go static. I'm just going to rub my feet on a carpet, honey, and then we're going to get you electrocuted as fuck. Her hair looks fucked. Freshly fucked, freshly electrocuted. It is fuzzy. But that's the one thing I like about Australia. And I have to say, watch this season.

I'm going to do it. Because it is so good. And you just get that there's a desperation for the money there that informs the gameplay and makes it even more cut throat like i don't know i just my thing is i just want to see the game played well of course it's fun to have like the fun elements of like you know the reality show aspect like oh lord not i can sue no one likes you parvati i don't have to kiss your ass forever i was like that's all fun but it was very funny at the reunion and if you watch the reunion, you'll see

the housewives treating it like a housewives reunion and the gamers being like, you guys, it's a game. But I kind of love seeing that sort of mingling. Oh, it's so funny. The collision is so funny. Also, it was such fan service wish fulfillment

for me to see Parvati sitting next to Andy coming in a reunion. I know know that's a cool image. God is so good. I start, I started the episode and I was like, I'm sorry to be superficial, but Parvati looked amazing. She looked great.

She looked stunning. I mean, look, if it's going to be a reunion, like let's turn the reunion. And also Peppermint had, I'm glad they gave Peppermint a moment to be like me being on the show was incredibly meaningful.

And it was so disappointing that I went out so early. Yeah. Fucking Trishel, man. I fucking hate her. It seems like they are okay. You know what I would say? That's my thing. It's like Peppermint and Trishel seem okay.

Peppermint applauded for Trishel when they talked about how she was the winner. They still follow each other on Instagram. But I also wouldn't mind if I never had to think about Trishel ever again. And that is your right. And guess what? Maybe now that she's won the money, maybe she'll retire. I don't know. Speaking of a human being with contradictions, I do just want to touch on the Madonna concert. Oh, yes, please. This was so fun. I had a great time. I'm so happy

I went. It was a very comprehensive show. You got everything. She was playing the hits and also there were some swerves. Highlights for me, Crazy For You. I mean, I just love that song so much. Love that song. Love hung up. Just the Vogue section was fucking great. Ali Wong came out at my show. Oh, that's

fun. And I will also say the highlight, and I would think that this maybe is the highlight of like for many people for our entire tour i was at the show where kylie minogue came out and it was such a moment to see kylie and madonna on stage together and they sang an acoustic version of i will survive and then madonna let everyone in an acapella can't get you out of my head like chorus oh my god there was so much love and respect between them genuinely yes and that was so amazing to see like and it felt like all artifice dropped away for a second yeah and kylie came out and madonna pointed her and she was like this is a

real survivor and i feel like only they can really understand like the positions that they're in. And obviously like women at that level, but to see them stand together and, you know, Kylie was wearing her shirt that said Madonna that called back to when Madonna wore that shirt that said Kylie Minogue. And it just was a joyful, faggy moment. I love it. These are two very important people. Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, yeah, like there needs to be some sort of documentary, some sort of journalistic thing on those two, on their careers, like side by side, because they really were like two sides of the same coin for a while,

like coming up around the same time, representing different things, kind of converging, then diverging, converging. But then, I mean, in the end, it all converges back once again. And it's like, these are just two fucking legends.

And to see them kind of join together in celebration is really, really beautiful. I mean, God, I, I do have regrets about not going to see her, Madonna when she was in New York, but that is a very special.

Was she at Barclays? She was Barclays and she did MSG and I missed both. Oh, wow. I was very, very sad. This was at the Forum. Oh, great. And she's done so many shows. I really feel I went to the right one. You definitely did. The fact that we got Kylie Minogue,

like, oh, Cardi B came out and did the Vogue section last night and apparently it was a blast, like Tony Gomez was saying. It was so fun. Oh, fun. but I wanted to say one other thing about Madonna which is at the top of the concert she was you know it was like after the first couple songs and she was addressing the audience

and so many times she was like you guys need to put your fucking phones away get up on your feet she was like talking to the audience like we were her servants and we loved it but at one point she goes um you know i've been in this business for 40 fucking years i've been doing this for 40 fucking years and just today just like the first day i give zero fucks and then it was like and then like a beat goes by and she goes well sometimes i give like one and a half fuck and i was like i was like thank god you know like

because it just goes to show that like even madonna someone who got to where she's got by being like you know no holds barred confident doing what she wants to do like to see that she exposed in that moment the complexity and the humanity of like i am madonna and that comes with so fucking much talk about someone who's been dissected hated beloved cast aside said like she was over said she was the greatest thing in the world the highs the lows everything from madonna at the end of it to expose about herself like you know i know my image is like bitch i'm madonna and she in that moment was like sometimes i give like one and a half fuck because yeah like when you get to that point like there's so much responsibility and you mean

so much more than you can even possibly fathom you are such a fully realized figure in the minds at least there's a perception that you are a fully fully realized figure in the minds at least there's a perception that you are a fully fleshed figure of everyone in the world because you are madonna and to see her exposed that she actually does care sometimes about like maybe what goes down what people might think like what's being said i I thought was very full circle. And I also felt like it was empowering almost to see her be up there and not lie or hide behind some facade of like, I'm a bulletproof bitch. Like to see that soft core, I was really appreciative of that.

And from that moment forward, I was able to enjoy the concert even more because this is someone who's like showing this arsenal of hits and this entire career, this story. And at the end of it all, like she exposed that humanity and I was able to really appreciate her triumphs even more. Well, let that be like proof positive that you can be 65 years old and be celebrating your entire body of work with people who love you in that space and still acknowledge the idea that like, it's just, it's the human condition just to like care, to like be vain sometimes, which is not necessarily like what is the universal, but it's like, you are like, there is no escaping that. You cannot like, you have to kill such a crazy deep part of yourself

in order to not care, in order to like, just let the work speak for itself and let that be the only thing and let that be the thing that you rest all of your value on. It will never be that. Even if you're fucking Madonna, your 40 years of work will not be the thing that like saves you or inoculates you from feeling like insecure or inadequate, or like you're not with it in whatever way. And it's fine. It's like, anytime we feel like, God, shouldn't I have grown past this? Like, shouldn't I have outgrown this part of my life? Like, you never will.

That's okay. That's scary. But it's like, it's just how our brains are wired. We have not evolved past that on a sort of like cerebral level, you know? It's not natural to be Madonna and have worldwide international influence and discourse about you. That's not natural. So to hear her say, I give one and a half fuck, that was to me kind of revolutionary to hear from her.

I like the grammatical sort of like itch of like not plural fucks, right? Give one and a half fuck. One and a half. Yeah. And singular fuck. Which doesn't grammatically totally make sense. Title of ep?

One and a half fuck. I love it. That is a really good title of ep actually. Yes. That's a very good title of ep. The Real Housewives of New York City Pretty good title of Apple. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy.

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Should we do I Don't Think So, Honey? I think so. This is I Don't Think So, Honey. This is where we take one minute to go off against something in culture, go off on something in culture. Matt, do you have something? I do. And before I do this, this has nothing to do,

actually, it kind of has something to do with it, but I do want to say one other thing, which is I went to that Elton John Oscar party. Oh, my God. And I saw Sutton John Oscar party and I saw Sutton Strack and to see Sutton Strack at the Elton John party when that had been a plot line on the show was LOL to me

and I will say the highlight of my night was when I was standing at the bar trying to get a drink and I look over and there's Kesha and we were all waiting for drinks and the bartenders were doing an incredible job but like it can never be fast enough so Kesha as a joke like grabbed a bottle of champagne

off the bar and like pretended like she was gonna take it and I turned to her and I said that was the most Kesha shit I've ever seen and she laughed and we had a nice little cute little moment you two we don't know each other and she does not know me from Adam but I did see her act Kesha in the wild and so

I had to call it out. She was not stealing it off the bar. Just like I didn't steal that strawberry shortcake, bitch. You're throwing accusations on Seth Meyers. Oh my god. We can't get into this. No, we can't. You We would never

We would never do anything like this today. No, I was 23. We were 23. And I'm a human with complexities. I've got my own imperfection. Did you just start singing at the same time? I know that me and my sister share a bloodline.

A bloodline. We share a bloodline. I haven't, I don't think so, honey. Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time haven't. I don't think so, honey. Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. I have thought my inseam was different than it is for years. No. Fuck! It's the in your seam.

I have been saying the wrong inseam for years. For years, I've been saying my inseam is a 32. Suddenly, I don't know what happened. I realized, huh, every single time I wear pants, they're too long. It's because my inseam is 30. For years, I have been...

Bowen Yang, I know my own length of my legs. I am a 30. I have short, stocky legs and a long torso. It is part of me. This is me now. And this was me then. Since I started giving my inseam, I have been a 30. My pants have always been too long. I'm

always wondering, huh, why do I always need the bottom of my pants tailored? Is there something wrong with my body? No, there's something wrong with my brain. There's something wrong with my mother, who told me I was a 32 inseam my entire life. Well, Katrina Rogers, I have news for you.

I don't think so, honey. I'm a 30 inseam. God damn it, mama. And that's one minute. I'm sorry. You took me on a journey there because I thought you first started out saying you didn't know what an inseam was. And I was going to say, oh, no.

No, my inseam. I feel like this is something you should have gotten to the bottom of years ago. Honey, 100%. But I have been, so for years. Like, it's not something that like your mom tells you and then you, it's not like, you know, oh, like one of your uncles has like a secret family. It's not like that. It's like, no, this is a thing that you can sort of verify for yourself without having someone else tell you. I know, but that doesn't mean I can't blame my mother. And what I would say is for years and maybe still even in my

heart for years, I identified as a 30, 32, 30 waist, 32 inseam. Not only it's, it's literally flipped. I am now a 32 waist, even sometimes we're wearing on 33, depending on what the situation is. Sure, sure, sure. But my waist has gone up. My inseam is a 30. I am a 32-30 and now that makes me feel like... I refuse to believe... I'm a 32-30, bitch. Can I tell you something about you?

I don't believe we have the same legs. Literally, Bowen, we have the same legs. We'll compare next time I see you. You are literally feet taller than me. Bowen, we have the same legs. We'll compare next time I see you. You are literally feet taller than me. Bowen, my torso is very long. I have a swimmer's body. You don't.

God bless. Must be nice. Excuse me. This is about me and my inseam. Are we the same? Are we both 32-30? You know what? Depending. I lied. I'm like a 33-30. Sometimes 34, if it's the winter.

That's what I'm saying. If it's like January or we're having a hard time, it might even go up to... The other day, I was getting fitted for work and the girl goes, okay, so we need to get you a 34. And I said, excuse me. And by the way, we're not putting any stigma

on any waist size. Any waist size is beautiful. That that was just two sizes sometimes even three sizes bigger than i usually i don't want this to fall off right and i was just like i was like oh that feels too big for me and then they explained like oh when you're getting fitted for things for like a job like that you want to get something a little bit bigger so that it can be brought in like because that's just the way it is but anyway it's not me saying like if my waist right now is a 33 34 that's fucking great i just should know that and i should know that my inseam is a 30 because that will never change and i've been saying 32 for the longest time i swear to god i'm so happy now i just threw out all my pants, Bowen, and I went to fucking Banana Republic itself

and I got some new pants and I'm so happy because they're all 30 inseam and I feel like finally, finally. Finally, it has happened to me. My pants are correctly fitting. I'm very happy for you. So happy. Pants are really tough.

They can be some of the toughest. We don't talk about how that's a deeply personal journey. And sometimes it's lifelong. I still am not really finding the right jeans. I've avoided jeans. I'm finally ready to go back into jeans. You really don't wear jeans.

They don't look good on me. But I believe, it's like my journey with love. I believe it's out there. But I have had bad luck and maybe it's because I'm not genetically built for it. No, girl. I'll tell you

what we're going to do. The next time I'm in New York, we're going to go to APC. I love APC. We're going to get you some jeans because we're going to figure this out. We're going to get to the bottom of this one. Okay. Because there's no reason you should be feeling anything but excited about your legs,

which are aspirational. They need to be contextualized properly with the right shoes, the right shorts or pants. You are so powerful in a short. I know, but I can't wear them all the time. Because the legs are legging. I love my legs, but I'm saying the pants all the time. Because the legs are lagging. I love my legs,

but I'm saying the pants, the way that pants are produced in this world, not meant for me. We're going to get to the bottom of this. Sometimes that's how I feel about shirts. Sometimes I'm like, because my torso is on the long side, I feel like oftentimes something will fit me in the shoulders

and then be a little too short on the bottom, which is never something anyone needs no of course but man you you are a very well-proportioned person you know this hey bobby all right uh so this will be bowen yanks i don't think so honey that's always so exciting yeah and he has one minute on the clock and bowen yang i don't think so honey time Yang, I don't think so honey, time starts now. I don't think so honey, this video game, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth, it is stoppering

all culture consumption for me. It's the first thing I do when I wake up. It's the last thing I do before I go to bed. I am three episodes behind on Drag Race and you know I need to catch up because our good girl, Jill Kim Booster is guest judging. Next week. This week. Oh, this week.

I have not watched a single Housewives reunion between Miami and Beverly Hills, and I'm usually up to speed on all that. 30 seconds? It was a struggle. It felt like homework watching the Traitors finale, and I never thought I would say those words. I was on a reading tear with my books,

and all of it has stopped because of this game that is so beautiful, so effervescently fun, narratively doing so many things that I've never seen done in media before. Five seconds. This game is a celebration of video games in general.

It is a celebration of fun and that's why I love it and that's why I can't get away from it. That's one minute. So that was one of those sneaky. I don't think so. Honey, is that I thought it's actually how much I love. No, no, no. And I was like, really shocked. My qualm is that it's I haven't been able to do anything else.

It's disruptive. It's disruptively good. It's disruptively good. I mean, Matt, this game has you play these like mini games that are like, oh, you're you're throwing around a soccer ball for five minutes. Oh, you're playing a card game, which is amazing by the way, called Queen's Blood. Oh, it's such a slay.

But it makes you... I normally don't give a shit about these mini games. In video games, I'm like, let's just keep it moving. Let's get the main thing going. I don't want to be distracted by these side things. The side things are just as fun. I want to win at the side

games. I want to achieve the highest rank at the side games. There's a game where you play the piano and you have to like, it's like Dance Dance Revolution, which you know is very formative for me. This game is pure fun. Pure fun. Oh, I have another item that thanks to Honey really quickly. Okay. I don't

think so. Honey, Alex English. No, no, no. Just very, very, very Alex English. He changed. I got Stefan on air on SNl for this lisa from temecula sketch this was really good he switched up the cue cards on me ego was supposed to have the line i am neurodivergent but she did not say neurodivergent she said something else but then instead i see on the cards points to bow and before the next line and i have never felt a more pure even blend of horror and joy than that moment it was so fucking it was the craziest moment of my life i thought i was like nothing's gonna be like you know the first lisa in terms of like oh because we're black like that that was my soul left my body. This was something else,

but just as thrilling and satisfying. I was just like, this is the craziest thing for a good a point to me and say that line is fucking demonic. And Alex English, I love you to death, but you are, you are dastardly.

You're on burn notice. You're on burn notice. Preemptively. You just got burned. Here's your notice. That was so funny. What a great episode altogether that was. I actually all my friends went out and I stayed home to watch

it because I was like, I needed a night off anyway because we did game show on Friday. I went out Saturday. And you wanted to watch Ari. Well, I had to entail that there was going to be some special sketches, and I did want to see her live performances, and they were great, and

I had serious FOMO, because I knew that a lot of our pals were there. What were you guys singing karaoke or playing video games afterwards? What were you guys doing? We were singing karaoke in my office, but Ben Platt and Noah Galvin were there. Yeah, and then I saw you guys playing. Were you guys singing karaoke or playing video games afterwards? What were you guys doing? We were singing karaoke in my office, but Ben Platt and Noah Galvin were there. I heard. We were all hanging out in Ari's dressing room after the show.

She had to hop on a jet right to LA to go to the Oscars and get in glam. Yeah. She did not make it to the after party, but she loves Josh and Aaron. She loves Dix the Musical. And I will reveal that Josh did dare her. He goes, I will pay you $1

if for best original song you open up the envelope and say it's a tie between Dix the musical and theater camp. $1. She couldn't make that happen. She said, okay, I'll think about it. Okay. Doing the bit obviously, but just being like, okay, okay, I'll think about it. Okay. Just doing the bit, obviously, but just being like, okay, yeah.

Let me sleep on it. Let me think about how I can make that work. Anyway, it was a very fun night, but I'm in LA next week for, you know, undisclosed reasons, having to do with the podcast, maybe. But I want to go out. I want to have a night out with you,

with my girl and the girls and the other girls. Maybe post-drag race. That can be arranged. That can be arranged for sure. fact there is a there is something happening so i'll talk to you off air about it but um just final words i just want to say my best dress was a tie between sandra huler and carrie mulligan care both black was in black was in i thought they were stunning sandra hueller was giving me glamorous movie star

of yesteryear. I loved her sleek ponytail hair, the shoulder. It was powerful. I thought she was a real winner. Her movies did amazing and she may not have won, but she looked incredible. I'm super in awe of her. And Carey Mulligan looked

unbelievable. So fucking chic and elegant. The gloves. The mermaid bottom of that dress. The gloves. The cutout. Yeah. The scalloped thing. Just so fucking gorgeous.

She looked absolutely stunning. Like, for real, for real. I do. I'm biased, but Cynthia and Ari looked amazing. John Matisse and Ali. Fucking chic, cunty choice. Yeah, they looked very good together. I'm sure, obviously, that was, like, you know, by design. Yeah, yeah, coordinated.

I do want to shout out, Gucci did some beautiful dresses for Lily, for Lily Gladstone. Oh, yeah. For the show and for the Vanity Fair party. Like, both of her dresses were fucking stunning and such beautiful homages or just tributes to Native dress. Just so beautiful. The feather motif and that color

for the Oscars gown. I was like, oh, that's so stunning. The earrings. They're gorgeous and I really feel like it's just the beginning. Oh, it's truly just the beginning. And you know, they said they really want to host SNL. I would love for them to host

SNL. I think they would be amazing and oh I have tea. Not on Lily but I will say I have on good authority that Lily's mother watches SNL every week and calls me her son. I'm gagging. Lily

Gladstone's mother says my son is on look at her son. I'm gagging. Lily Gladstone's mother says, my son is on. Look at my son. I'm Lily's brother. Oh my God. That is so gorge. Well, we're fans of Lily.

Lily was performing in Killers of the Flower Moon was just beautiful. And there's going to be much more, I'm sure. I'm excited about this Hulu show. I did not know

they were the star of this Hulu show. I did not know they were the star of the, the, this Hulu show. I just only saw the preview during the Oscars. And I was like, Oh, what's that? It has Riley Keough.

Who's like, he's so fucking good. Oh, fucking God. So I'm excited about that. Uh, and then I wanted to say two other things, which is,

I feel like we haven't really gotten to talk about this, but two things everyone should go see, which are literally created by friends of ours and starring friends of ours the first of which is the emma stone produced oh my god written and directed by julio torres fantastic this was great fucking tilda swinton's amazing in it like julio has done it again like greta titleman is in it greta lee james scully fucking you know what i mean like it's got such a great cast oh my god river ramirez like the movie for me just the funniest human like god so good i mean you know larry owens so good just like i mean gotta go see that one and then of course we haven't

even mentioned it but oh Mary oh my god Mary is I mean if you're in New York and you're not fighting tooth and nail to go see this or you haven't already you are not doing it right the funniest theater ever I think ever it's so funny

like I mean Cole Escola just incredible there our idol and have always have been like the best in the biz again uh james kelly also in that a little moment for james kelly lately and uh conrad ricamora and just the best like so you gotta go see old mary you will not be disappointed it is so good with Understudies by Peter Smith and Hannah Solo good friends of ours as well yes all around just great things

good peeps and all that and yeah this was Lost Gulch this is a long episode of Lost Gulch I know we end with a song something about him is made for somebody This is a long episode of Last Couch. I know. We end with the song. You picked her key too.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars.

We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his

father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.