Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Oprah, as in Winfrey" (w/ Phoebe Robinson)

Episode Date: May 3, 2017

ZSA ZSA ZSU!!! Matt and Bowen cannot contain their excitement, honeys, because this week they're GRACED with the presence of NYT bestselling author and comedy podcast mogul PHOEBE ROBINSON (2 Dope Queens). Phoebe tells an iconic story about playing phone tag with Oprah (as in Winfrey) and explains why U2 and Felicity are the two pillars of her culture temple. Plus so, so, so much more. What are you waiting for??? DIVE IN!!!LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Las Culturistas calling is it a night or is it a night? It's a night, honey. Zaza Zoo, I feel it in the air. Sex and the City reference. Zaza Zoo, that is a thing you've been saying as of late. I mean, I've been watching Sex and the City again. Who says Zaza Zoo?

It's Carrie, of course. It's always Carrie. It's always Carrie. Honestly, here to call out Carrie on her bullshit, amongst other things, is our amazing guest. Can we list the credits? Let's list the credits, honey. Oh my God.

I mean, where does... New York Times bestselling author. New York Times bestselling author of You Can't Touch My Hair and Other Things I Still Have to Explain. Yes. We're writing on the last season of Portlandia. If you enjoy cutting-edge, amazing sketch comedy by the pros... Come through.

And if you enjoy amazing podcasts on WNYC, Two Dope Queens, So Many White Guys, you guys. Podcast Queen. Podcast Queen. And she's on I Love Dick,

the new Jill Salloy show. And now she's on Mascot Teresa's We Are Graced. We Are Graced with the presence of Phoebe Robinson. Oh my God,

thank you so much. We are honored. Phoebe, come on. Hearing those credits, I'm like, oh, I have done stuff. Yes. See, that's the thing. We gotta make the guests feel good. Hearing those credits, I'm like, oh, I have done stuff. Yes. See, that's the thing.

We got to make the guests feel good. And you know, they didn't even know they made themselves feel good. Oh, honey. You've been working. You do a lot. I work all the time. I'm a workaholic. Is this the most like inane, boring thing at this point for people to just say at you,

you work so much? No, because I always think I don't work enough. I'm always like, oh, I'm not. People are making deals left and right. I need to be doing more. I need to just relax is what I need to do. Are you waking up early every morning? Well, yes. I try and get up around 7 so I can go to the gym in the morning. Equinox. I joined Equinox at 7. Gotta get that eucalyptus towel.

Yes. Okay. I never, I used to roll my eyes at Equinox, but it is, it's very goop, but it's also great. Very goop. It's so goop. There's a lot of things about goop that are great, though. Yeah. Sure, sure, sure.

Yeah. Is this an LA development? It's in New York. I started, okay okay so last year i had my book tour and i was shooting i love dick and i was just like stress eating because it was like a lot of traveling and i was like not having sex so i was just like carbs yeah and it's like carbs are not penises but you know emotionally famously there a lot of people out there that are thinking carbs are penises, girl, listen up.

Listen up. And so I was just like, I don't like that I'm eating all the time and just sitting and being stressed out. And like everyone was just like, you should relax. Like a lot of people were like, you're very tense. And I was like, oh. But they were right. I am a very tense person. So I was like, let me join the gym.

So I joined in New York. I have the destination, which means I can like go to any of them any city that's the best and i love it oh my god so when you're in the gym what are you doing are you a runner no no i do pilates yes match and i do um spin class okay yeah okay y'all i'm trying to get matt on soul cycle because i am i'm officially in that cult. I get it. Spin class is great. See, and now, you know what I'm down for? Is I'm down for that emotional release that apparently comes after SoulCycle

and Spin, but I am not down for the energy of, this is your soul ride. You, and it's about the energy of the personalities. The energy. When you're in the moment and you're climbing up that hill,

you're going to want to hear that motivation because you're going to want to bail. And they're like, you traveled on the train to get here. This is your life. Take control. And it's like, yeah. You guys, I have to shout out. I have to shout out this iconic, iconic SoulCycle instructor in New York. Name her.

My friend Mitra and I signed up for a Gaga versus Beyonce class at the one in Nomad. That's cool. It was going to be with this instructor, Taylor, who's apparently very popular. We get an email the morning of saying that he dropped out, that we're getting a sub named Claire. Claire. the morning of saying that he dropped out that we're getting a sub named claire until claire comes in with this pixie cut just this gorgeous specimen and she gagged me and mitra for filth because exactly during the climb when we felt like we were gonna die claire just goes and i told you this i think but she goes and this is for everyone to hear and accept and take in. She goes, you know what? No one said this was going to be easy, but easy doesn't put a roof over your head.

Easy doesn't put food on the table. Easy does not help you move forward with your life. So no, I know it's not easy, but who cares about easy? Now turn the dial up. And it was the most glorious moment in the world. That inspires me. That is so good. I wasn't even there.

She's had a global effect. She's had a global effect. And the endorphins coursing through your veins, like you feel like a golden goddess. My word. You have a couple people here, a couple of male trainers here who do spin class. And I really like them.

See, like it's a thing. You got it. And Matt's a runner runner and he'll be fine well back in the day I was a big cross country runner like when I was in high school you do have the build for it I have the physique of someone that used to run whose metabolism is like come on

bitch come on please use me again you look great well the thing is like it's just getting a little like I know what it's like under the hood and it's getting a little like i know what it's like under the hood and it's getting a little bit less tight you know what i mean like there's now it's starting to like soup up a little bit we call it soupy soupy soupy so that's the way we say it yeah but but anyway yes i would love to get back get back into it i would love to find something that really works for me because

lifting weights doesn't yeah i'm like over it i'm like who cares yeah yeah but it's like not good because like your muscles like are like going into atrophy the older you get but i'm like it's boring yeah also it is hard i know like for some people they just prefer to lift weights and they think that cardio is just the hard one yeah for me the cardio is the easy one it almost feels like i did like i'm cheating when i'm doing cardio it just is easier but i don't know. Nice. I'm just on that precipice of pulling the trigger on Equinox because it just. It's worth it. It's life changing.

You're going to start. I started shopping at Lululemon. Oh my God. I know. And you have to just get into it. It's a whole culture. It's a whole scene. Everyone there is good looking.

You're like, that's what I'm going to look like in three months. That's what I'm going to look like in six months. It's great. Honestly attainable though. It is attainable. I mean there's some people you're like, whoa. Alright. Yeah. But there's a reason why all this popular stuff is popular. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And we just spoke before we got on air about how Starbucks doesn't mess around.

Guys, Phoebe brought us these cake pops and these are delicious. Oh my god, Phoebe, thank you so much. Of course. They've perfected the art of cake pops and these are delicious oh my god phoebe thank you so much yeah of course they've perfected the art of cake pops yeah they're really good anyway they're fantastic the only thing they don't nail in starbucks is the kind of music that they sell oh yeah it's like cheryl crow you're like what i love her to death but like i'm not surprised like the kelly clarkson christmas album in there you know what i mean like wrapped in red is on the shelf but you are the target demo for that exactly they knew what they were doing but yeah but you're saying that's not that's not the right move well i mean it's not cool sure you know

what i mean like yeah you know doesn't have to be cool phoebe we're gonna ask you what we ask all of our guests which is what is the culture that means you say culture is for me yes this is basically young phoebe was like wow i am experiencing this in the cultural lexicon whether it's movies television music whatever or also like something in your life something that happened that really influenced you as a phoebe oh my gosh well so many things i'm such a like pop culture head i guess number one i'm to list a few things. So number one is my favorite band of all time. You too.

You too. Yep. I know. Well documented. No, but there's a paper trail. I mean, in the book, like you literally number by number talk about each member and about how like fucking Adam Clayton dated Naomi Campbell and shit. Oh my God.

You did your research. I mean, but no, but like you like went into it. Oh my God. You did your research. I mean, but no, but like you like went into it. So you too. Yeah. You too. They just are very,

I love it. No, I just would never, I would honestly, you too. You too. I never got into them. It's fine.

I try to love them. But explain, and you've explained it before. What is it? What touches your heart? Okay. I just, I like how big. Their music is very anthemic.

And it's very hopeful. And I like their message. And I'm not a religious person, but they're religious. So their music has spiritual elements to it that I really identify with. And I don't know. I just think sometimes when you're like 12 or 13, like if something just hits you at that age. Yeah, exactly.

I just love them so much. I love their philanthropic work. Like to me, I'm like the two people I want to be like are Oprah and Bono. Like whatever they like, whatever Oprah does, literally, I'm like, I'm doing that. Oprah. Hands down. They have you guys. Hands down. You two has one song. Oh.

Sometimes you can't make it on your own. I love that song. OK. OK. Take it to church. We have some vocals. We have a little bit of vocals. Oh, my gosh.

That was so good. That was really good. It was. Yeah. Thanks. I mean, it wasn't Bono. But you guys could do it it and it would be fine. He would hear me and he wouldn't be mad.

Sure. I think he'd be into it. He'd be into it. Yeah. So YouTube, number one. Yes, yes. Number two, Felicity. Okay.

One of the greatest TV shows of all time. Yeah. Yeah, great. Have you seen it? Well, no, I was going to say I'm not well-versed in it. This is something where we have to go back and do our research

because I do know the cultural impact that Felicity did have. Wait, how old are you guys? I'm 32. 26. I just turned 27. Stop. Stop.

No, it's not that big of a gap. It's pre-you. Yeah. It is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just pre-us. Just pre. Okay, yeah.

So I was 14 when it came out on the WB. That's how long ago it was. It was on the WB. WB thing. Dumbass like singing frog. Yes. Oh my God. And I obviously, it was that stupid frog.

I was like, what is this? And obviously I was a virgin at the time. You know, listening to U2 and just being like, yeah, Bono. Not losing it real quick'm not losing it real quick and so felicity okay so the backstory is felicity is from palo alto yep and she's graduating high school and this guy ben has like been her crush yes and so she's like oh will you sign my yearbook and he's like sure and he like takes it and goes and sits down like on a grassy knoll and like writes this like really long message and he gives it back

to her she was like what's going on she reads and it was just like really sweet like i used to always see you around and wonder like what you were thinking and who you were like and i just never had like i just never thought to like say anything to you but you're like really interesting so she decides you know I'm going to major at it's not NYU because they couldn't get the licensing for that. University of New York College of New York or something College of New York LOL

and so she decides she's going hey what school are you going to in the fall and he says that school and she's like what about you and she's like I haven't made up my mind yet. And then she decides to not go to school in Cali and go to the same college that he's going to. It's stalker-ish.

Thirsty girl. That concept probably doesn't age well. Does not. It's not feminist. It's not sane. But it's Keri Russell. She has curly hair. You're like, I'm into it i get it yes

and then it just becomes like this great love triangle between her ben and noel who's played by scott foley love scott foley yeah and ben is scott speedman and his thing is he like whispers he's always like hey and i'm like bitch speak up i can't deal with you but like he's always like whispery and like just like cute and hot and like noel is an ra and he's by the book okay so here we have the two paths yes yes so it's like who is felicity gonna choose there's just so much yeah yeah yeah and pink power ranger is in it amy joe john Amy Jo Johnson. Yes. She plays Felicity's friend. There's a lot. It's famous as of late for her cameo in the Power Rangers movie. She was in the Power Rangers movie? She's in the...

Kimberly Pink Power Ranger and Tommy Green Ranger are in the last, last, last moments of the movie. They just literally have a tiny non-speaking cameo for two seconds. They just look up at the destruction and they're like... like it's two seconds it is blink and you miss it they couldn't even give them a line oh my god that's amazing but are they in it you know did they get a day rate or or something yeah they were tech avail they've been tech avail for 10 years insane okay so i have a question about Felicity did the show actually die

when she cut her hair okay so everyone okay so backstory is between season one and season two her character

cut her hair I don't want to spoil anything but her character cuts her hair for a particular reason oh we can guess right

yeah and so boys and so so what happened is felicity switched time slots between season one and season two they went to like a shittier time slot and everyone was like oh it's because felicity cut her hair and i was like no it's because wb was like in shambles didn't know what they were doing and like a lot of like kind of teeny sort of college-y stuff kind of like got screwed up.

Wow. Okay. Not a correlation. So it's like the basic thing to say is she cut her hair and then the show died. All right. Yeah. I'm happy we can put that rumor to bed. But season one, I mean, it's like the best.

It's really, really good. Like she won a Golden Globe for it. Yeah. I think she got nominated for an Emmy too. Yeah. Or maybe I'm wrong. She was incredible in it. And she continues to be incredible on the americans i'm behind so i hear again don't watch this one it's really good is it okay yeah i hear it's one of those ones that gets better wow it's

really good i feel like she's one of those people for me at least who i'm just like never like clocked her always like knew knew about her knew that she was great but haven't had the firsthand experience yeah i'm trying to think what i've seen her in and think like and thought like yes her always like knew knew about her knew that she was great but haven't had the firsthand experience yeah i'm trying to think what i've seen her in and think like and thought like yes waitress she was good waitress yeah yeah yeah she was good in that she's good in that but like for some reason i just don't remember that movie yeah it's one she's one of those actresses that you know is out there doing good work but you yeah you yourself have not seen it and you know who that was for me for a long time claire danes oh i get that yeah it's like a kind of like general they have a face right you know you're like all right cool we know she was in the romeo and

juliet movie yeah did we put ourselves through it as another question it was so bad yeah it was terrible but now you see our homeland it's a gagaroo it's a gagaroo but people will say that romeo and juliet is boss's best movie those people yeah that's insane they are dismissed this is just like now like a litmus test for everybody on her podcast yeah what are your thoughts on moulin rouge if you have any oh that's okay it's okay i was like i was like Nicole what are you doing she was so extra wow but you

didn't think that it matched what was going on I thought she was so extra in the best way it was like I was like Boz I can't with you I've tried so many times it's so like everything is just like a hundred and ten percent which I'm like i appreciate the effort but like it's just like in your face in your face in your face and i was like you mcgregor i'm like can you

just get a job like yeah you're like in your house all the time writing these moping i can't yeah and it's like you're hot like fucking like do something yeah yeah you know what parisian model yeah i'm just realizing now how manic pixie dream girl that movie is. Yeah. Totally. Oh my God. I'm like, whenever someone,

whenever someone coughs in a movie, they're like, yeah, it's like, I can't. She was weakly coughing up that blood. I'm just like, oh.

Something's casually bleeding. Yeah. When the point of the movie is to be that like blown out romanticized thing, like I let it like, oh. Something's casually bleeding. When the point of the movie is to be that blown out romanticized thing, I let it happen. Sure. And now we forgive Nicole. Absolutely. I will say this. I was never into Nicole.

Until? Until Big Little Lies. Same. And I was like, okay, give her the Emmy. Give her the Oscar. It's not a movie, but give it to her. Yes. Give her a Webby. Whatever to her yes give her a Webby

whatever you got whatever you need give her a paper plate award if Nicole Kidman doesn't walk Nicole Kidman doesn't walk away with a fucking Webby

this year then the industry is against her we talk about this a lot and we can continue to talk about this because it won't be the Emmys for some time

but I always say if I had a ballot in my hand I'm checking Reese Witherspoon okay Matt's defense is that Reese... Okay, I need to hear this because that's controversial, first of all. For sure.

I would say that... Yeah. Here's the deal. We fell in love with Big Little Lies because of Reese. Because of her limping in the first episode. She could have my firstborn for that. Yeah, that was really good that was really good

so for that also all the line readings throughout like if you can sell a one liner you are my godmother you win so for example

my biggest comedic influence Eva Longoria because the woman could kill you with a comedic one liner yeah that's true. Now, to be serious for a second, the work that she did throughout the show,

I felt was more versatile. But I'm not saying that if Nicole won the Emmy, I've said on this podcast, I would leap to my feet. You know, I've thought about this. Yeah. The more I think about this, the more I feel like Nicole, with that role and with that character and with that

arc probably had to really put herself in a shitty it was dangerous yeah have you read the book i have not but i heard it's great i was just telling bowen the abuse in the book towards the end i'm actually happy that they didn't depict it on television because they what happens in the book towards the end, I'm actually happy that they didn't depict it on television because what happens in the book is the last straw for her is he, he takes her head and slams it against a wall. Oh my God. And it is so painful. And I think I was in the airport reading it and I literally like had to put it down.

Cause I was gasping it. And so then you watch the show and it's just like can you like to embody like and this is of course it happens all the time like and which is tragic and devastating but like she put herself in that place and like really I'm so happy the show is out there because people can I guess maybe more people will start talking about this and just like really starting to like empathize with what goes on out there in the world because it was thick. And I'm happy it went. I'm like really happy we got to see like what it really I guess what it feels like to be in those therapy scenes.

The amount of justification she was doing. The amount of like justification she was doing. It's like wow this is what it's like to really fight for something that's bad for you and also I have to like give a shout out to Alexander Skarsgård who I was like he's a good actor you see his penis in True Blood so you're like

cool like love it but then to see him do this and provide that layer of complexity because I think the easy way out would have been like, he's just a monster. But it was like he knew he was broken. He knew he was damaged.

You could see him like be evil one minute and super loving the next minute. And I just really think they displayed like what abuse is really like. And I think that's important for people to see that. And I was really impressed by what he did. Absolutely. Because that's a hard character. i'm a fan for life and it's a career gamble and a risk for him

yes because not everyone out there is going to be intelligent enough to be like he's playing a part he happens to be playing it really well especially when you do it so convincingly it's like you're just gonna be scary to people yeah just like the way he would like walk like a predator sometimes it was just like so it was like a master class of acting like they should just win like best mini series or whatever i i just don't know what's gonna be better than that this year i'm julian edelman i'm rob gronkowski guess what folks we're teammates again and we're gonna welcome you guys all to dudes on dudes i'm a dude you're a dudeudes on Dudes is our brand new show. We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against,

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We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer.

I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone

in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to

go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Also, like, what amazing casting. Whoever put it together, like, to cast, like, two, like, super sexually charged actors like that. Like, because when you saw the sex scenes and, like, in the early episodes, you almost were like, fuck, like they do have something.

Yeah, it was lit. Like when they were like, you know, Skype sex, I was like, this is cool. And then I was like, oh, but also, yeah, successful in that way, too, because you catch yourself almost you catch yourself forgiving. Yeah. You're like, oh, Perry. And then you're like, no, yeah. Close up shop. Oh, my God. my god yeah but i mean big fan wait um i just want to segue into this and i really want to just talk to you about this because i don't remember if it was on a too dope queens episode or if it was in

the book but like at length you talked about izzy and denny having ghost sex. And about how you kept watching Grace and because we were... We watched it well through season seven. Yeah. Like past like the... I think the plane crash was when I was like, you know I'm gonna hang out. Okay, what was like, when did you hang your hat with Grace?

I think it was... Time of death. It was Izzy and George once, I think when was Time of death It was Izzy and George I think when he got killed I was like I'm out Season That was six When he died was season five

I peaced out and I was like I love you Shonda But I'm like life is short I haven't read Moby Dick I need to get it together I just can't anymore. Totally. Yeah. You know, she gave up on it, too.

I know. But I heard it's good again. Like, they went through a shitty period. Now it's supposed to be really good again. And I'm like, I can't live life like this. No. You know? I would tune back in now and I would just be sad because I don't know how you feel,

but season one, two, three, that was the shit. Incredible. So good. So good. It still holds up. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah.

I did. I went home a few weeks ago to my parents and they just have this giant home theater. Yeah. Sorry. That's amazing. Sorry. But then I just watched the episode where Christina, it's Sandra Oh's last episode and I fully fucking I haven't seen that.

I should watch it. It's great. Like there are certain moments that are like peppered throughout the later seasons that are like actually had a lot of thought and I'm sure Shonda and Betsy Beers. She's always gonna write a good model. She's a queen of that. She's always gonna have a team, have someone on the team that can turn out a good scene.

It's just you know, I mean... And she better have come through for Sandra Oh's last episode. Yeah, you can't play her. I actually came out of the woodwork and watched that one as a standalone. I was like, I have respect for Sandra Oh and I know that

it's fine. It's totally fine to just peek your head in and watch that episode. You still get it. Okay. I felt like this was such a big part of my life for like three years like Grace was who and I still continue to watch

it all through you know her storylines with Owen and everything I was like I'm gonna see this character through yeah happy I did totally totally totally but I mean yeah

Sandra Oh Emmy list for that part oh she never won she won a Golden Globe she never won an Emmy which I think how is that possibley. How is that possible? Who won in her stead? Well, Reverend Heigl took one.

Yeah, and then she shot on the writers the next year. I'm just going to sip water. She's going to sip the water. See, there's... Man. I can't. I was so on board when she came out so hard against... Isaiah Washington.

Isaiah Washington for him using the F word against TR night. And when she was like, I will go to bat for him always like, this is like a brother to me, whatever. And then hard to get on her side after like just being so disrespectful. You can't like take, like it was Grey's Anatomy.

It was knocked up. It's like, you can't take these jobs and then trash the people who created the work for you. Like appreciate, like knocked up is like what got her the paycheck that she got on movies going forward so like yeah i do agree that like the female characters aren't as well drawn in that movie but it's like girl that like kind of changed your career in a lot of ways like you should be more appreciative totally i just can't i i will say I am down for her

whatever attempt at a career revival she's going for now I mean it has not gone well

it has not gone well but I'm saying but like there is like this weird like like the cat litter commercial

she sells cat litter now yeah kitty litter that's not a joke but then she's got that going on and she also has

that new movie with Rosario Dawson that's true but here but then she's got that going on and she also has that new movie with rosario dawson that's true but here's the thing absolutely obsessed too obsessed too what are you gonna say i i almost just said like i wonder if it'll be better than obsessed and i was like what am i talking about i don't think so beyonce dropping a chandelier on ali larder will never be yeah that's pretty that's pretty. Until the last 15 minutes. Yeah, and then you're like, oh, I'm into this. You send that last 15 minutes to Sundance Film Festival.

It wins the audience award. Send it to Cannes. Send it to Cannes. A little in every grand jury. She dropped a chandelier. On Allie Larder. On Allie Larder. Wait, she was married to Idris Elba, right?

Yes. It was so inferior how dumb he was. Yeah. Allie Larner. Yeah. Wait, she was married to Idris Elba, right? Yes. Yes. It was so inferior how dumb he was. It was like, Idris, I need you to get it together. But some of that dialogue. Epically bad script. Idris. Well, where should I go then?

To hell. But until then, I suggest the Four Seasons. Iconic. Also, Christine Lottie. Who's that? She plays the police officer. then I suggest maybe the four seasons iconic also Christine Lottie who's that she plays the police officer that's right

the dumbest police officer you've ever seen in your life everyone go back and watch Obsessed yeah Christine Lottie

as like the detective or whatever oh boy is so epically dumb and she does and she is operating at 70% because even she in her line readings is judging herself.

Yeah. Look, I don't care if you're fucking this girl or not. I just, I was just, it's just like so, so, so, so, so, so bad. Oh my God. Speaking of like, okay, this movie is like not actually bad. It's just like low key ignorant, but like high key amazing. Have you guys seen the movie Unfaithful? I just-watched it recently with a girlfriend who had never seen it and it literally changed her life the thing about unfaithful oh my god she's giving everything diane lane is like

fucking killing it but it's but it's still yet bad it's so bad there's so many problems with it and how and where and she got an Oscar nomination for that Richard Gere should have gotten one too Because he was like incredible Yeah Yeah he brought layers to that character That could have been just like Alright dumpy

Like frumpy guy That's a wild thing for me Bad movies With amazing performances Yeah That's Do you have one of those? Oh god I'm having

That's pretty specific Unfaithful is a really good one. Yeah. It's like... Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Like, she's always, like, cooking spaghetti.

Yeah. And it takes her, like... It's so bad. Yeah. It takes her three hours. I'm like, it's spaghetti. Yeah. Did you mess up the first one?

Like, my God. Are you trying to, like, just do some fucking pool noodles? Like, just throw them out? That's so funny. What's a do some fucking pool noodles? Grow them out. That's so funny. What's a bad movie with amazing performances? Showgirls. Just kidding. Showgirls, but also not really.

She was incredible in that. She committed to it. Yeah. She could have gotten like a People's Choice nom. I would have been fine with that. For sure. I mean, also you got like. Was she Nomi Malone?

Is that? No, no, no. Gina was the other one. The one who's like the seasoned one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh-huh, uh-huh. For some reason, this movie keeps bing, bing, binging in my head. It is not.

It is a bad movie, and it doesn't have amazing performances, but I keep wanting to say burlesque. But also, burlesque is fun to watch. It is fun. Kristen Stewart's in that. She's like. Wait, she is? Kristen Bell. Kristen Bell. Oh, my God. I'm so sorry. Oh, I was like, Kristen Stewart's in that. She's like, Kristen Bell. Kristen Bell.

Oh my God, I'm so sorry. Oh, I was like, Kristen Stewart's in this? No, no, no,

I'm so sorry. Kristen Stewart could never have that much fun. Oh, no. I'm terrible with those names. Oh my God, burlesque. Yeah,

I haven't seen that. Oh, you should see it. You should watch it. Oh my God. It's like dumb fun. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like a period movie. Like, even if you don't have your period, just like whatever you're feeling crummy, watch it. Yeah. It's a good one to lay around to. Next time you have a period movie. Like even if you don't have your period, just like whatever you're feeling crummy watching. Right, right, right. It's a good one to lay around too.

Next time you have a sinus infection. Nice. Oh my God, Phoebe, I want to ask you about, just to go back to Oprah for a second. Oh my gosh. I think I heard somewhere that you got a call after the book came out.

Can we talk about this? Yeah, we can. This is exciting. Oh my God. Oh me, oh my. Yeah, I have the voicemail on my phone oh my god afterwards yes okay so i'll tell you the story so when i was writing the book i was always like we should like get it to oprah but i was like i was like lol like none of us know

her her people yeah and so the book came out and then two days later my lit agent called me and he was like so you have to tell you something he's like um so oprah has your book and i was like what and i was like how does she get it i'm like i mean she's oprah she can get whatever she wants i was like how does she get he's like i don't know but her team called and said that she loves the book and uh she like wants to talk to you and i was like what and he's like she's really unpredictable so she's just gonna like call you whenever and i'm like that's just like what a phone call is but like yeah absolutely you know yeah it's like that's not unpredictable what's gonna happen is she's gonna get on the phone

it's gonna ring we don't know what's to ring. We don't know what's going to happen next. We don't know what she'll say. Oh, my God. And so I was like, okay. So be on the lookout for a phone call from her. And I was in the middle of traveling. And so the next day, I didn't hear from her. My agent was like, I can't believe she didn't call.

I was like, she's literally saving Africa right now. It's totally fine. I was like, but I did miss Africa right now. Like, it's totally fine. I was like, but I did miss this like, phone call randomly, some like random number. So he checked and it was her trying to reach me.

So he was like, just tomorrow, just like be on the lookout for it. I was like, okay. So I was, the next day I was like in a meeting and my phone was going off

and I was like, I think this is her, but you can't interrupt a meeting. So I was just like oh well she'll call back I would have just been like I have to take this my god she'll call back

when you just expect implicitly that Oprah will call you back the literal number one pop culture icon literally of all time she'll call back you. The literal number one pop culture icon, literally of all time. She'll call back. You know what? I am obsessed.

I'm going to screen this one. Yeah, so I told my lit agent, who's like, yeah, it's definitely her. And I was like, ah, I know. And so then the next day I got a phone call, but I was like, I couldn't tell the number. I was like, this could either be her or it could be like my student loans because I'm buying my student loans. So I was like, I'm just going to risk it, not pick it up. And if I get a voicemail, fine.

Didn't get a voicemail. And I was like, I might have fucked that up. Literally the only person harder to get in touch with than Oprah is Phoebe Robinson. And so the next day I was on set for this Amazon show I'm on I Love Dick and I never bring my phone with me on a set

because I want to be like present like an actor's choice I want to be present and I wrapped my scene and so then I saw my phone I was like oh I have a few missed calls

and I have a voicemail and I was like and I go I'm not going to listen to those voicemails probably my parents they always leave like long voicemails. And I was like, and I go, I'm not going to listen to those voicemails. Probably my parents. They always leave like long voicemails.

So I just call back the first number. It's like an 818 number. And a person answers like, hello. And I was like, hey, yeah, I just got a phone call

from this number, but I don't know who this is. And he was like, what? And I was like, uh, okay, I'm going to go.

Bye. So I like called her house. it was like her estate guy it was Stedman no what if I talked to Stedman that'd be amazing Stedman answers her phone yeah honestly not out of the question oh my god and so I was like that was not a good first impression let me just listen to this voicemail in case it's not my parents it was oprah oh my god yeah she was like hi oh no so first before i get to that i hang up the phone i get a text message it's like phoebe it's oprah dot dot dot call me and i was like so then i listened to the voicemail and she was like hi Phoebe it's Oprah as in Winfrey and I was like oh my god you're so humble

so humble so humble she was like really sweet she was like I've been trying to get in touch with you but then I realized my number is blocked and you probably don't like answer blocked calls so I like unblocked my call so here is this number I'm gonna try and

call you back on my cell number, which is. And she's like, oh, you know what? I don't know my cell number. I'll figure that out. Of course she does. I know. When you're that rich, you don't need to know that information. You have people.

It's all good. Ten numbers in sequence? No way. Yeah. No. Oh, my God. And so she was like, looking forward to talking to you soon. So I called her back and I was just like, hi, El talking to you soon. So I called her back, and I was just like, hi, Oprah, it's Phoebe.

And she was just so sweet and complimentary. I was like, I really enjoyed the book, and, like, it spoke to me. Oh, my God. And I was just like, Oprah. And it was just, like, really nice to just, like, chat with her. Now, here's the knowledge that Oprah has read your innermost thoughts and like your feelings and thoughts about the world and that is huge so crazy it's crazy i still can't believe it because when you're writing the book you're thinking that first of all you're probably thinking this is fun for me to write

and like people will enjoy it and then you're like hold on wait that means anyone can read this and anyone includes fucking over yeah so it's just like a really like oh it's like cool to like meet your heroes because they can be really amazing and lovely so yeah oh my god i mean i just i just want to say i mean first of all that's amazing but with oprah it's like i've one day like a few months ago i posted her final episode oh my god i remember you did this and multiple people were like i just clicked on it and just thought i was only going to watch a snippet of it but then she just sucks you in and you just watch the whole freaking thing which is like 42 minutes long she's

brilliant and it's the most beautiful thing the entire thing is like this isn't this this has never been about me it's always been about you and it's just the thing she says so beautiful i mean yeah god oprah read your book and loved it and decided to call you and unblock her number it's crazy that's crazy so i still have the voicemail on my phone you must that's like that's like an heirloom now. Yeah. You pass that shit down. You should make sure you put it on different devices too. I send it as an email to myself and I upload it to the cloud. Yes.

So I'm just like, there's no way I'm going to lose this. There you go. Yeah. Oh my goodness. That is truly incredible. Incredible. And the book is amazing. It really is.

It's so fun. Can we talk about one specific chapter it's the one it's the it's the uppity one oh this was and and let me tell you i didn't know this yeah and and goddess gotta admit that i didn't know the the full origins of that word either and then you tie that tie the meaning of that word with this horrible experience you had on this show um that is that will not be named and is strategically not named in the book but horrible thing where like the judges like are like this headshot sucks but you look great now they were so mean to me they were so mean to so many people of course and it's like what they do on reality shows we talk

all the time about how we have friends who like go on these shows and like they literally break you down was a dark day in history when american idol became what it was the number one show in america yeah a little bit because i think it started not only like a um access to degrading people publicly but also a uh comment and critique culture where everyone thought because they watched professional judges quote unquote professional judges do this to people that they had the experience to then do it to each other and to just people they didn't know

and of course you know it ruined people's lives have you guys ever done like audition for reality tv stuff or no get this tomorrow I'm gonna be on'm going to be on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. Now when this episode

is out you guys, this will have been weeks ago. So I did okay. I won five grand. But it was just Was it hard? It's just different than you think it's going to be.

Like, of course, you see, you go on to, and of course, this is different than a reality show, and they didn't treat me badly. Yeah. But I got a little glimpse into what it's like to be on something like that, and the deck is kind of stacked because it's such an intimidating situation, and then, you know, you also kind of,

you do sign away certain things. I mean, obviously, I don't deal with anything as badly as like, we've had a friend that's been on American Idol, and it was a very hard situation. We are, we know Zeke Smith, who was just a Survivor contestant that was outed as trans. That was so upsetting to me. I was like, because I don't watch Survivor,

so I was just reading the story online. I was like, how dare this other guy do this? Yeah. I was like, cause I don't watch Survivor. So I was just reading the story online. I was like, how dare this other guy do this? Yeah. And he's, the guy's gay. And obviously like, there's a lot of self hatred there and a lot of insecurity there.

And I actually think he's the one we need to watch very closely now because he just got fired. He got fired. And also like, I think, I think his family and friends need to be keeping a close eye on him because I would imagine that he is in a very dark place right now. But anyway, I was thinking, and I don't know if you thought this when it all happened,

but they had the option to not show that. And then I guess I would hope it was up to Zeke to say, it's okay, I actually think this could be a healing and growing moment for trans know trans youth or you know the transgender community and we should go ahead with this but i wonder if that was an option oh you because they are presenting it like zeke was involved in the decision making but you're maybe thinking that he wasn't i mean at that level where there's that much money involved and really what matters to these people is ratings.

Right. And nothing else. And so you do wonder, like, how much, how collaborative the decision to air that stuff was, and how much say was had. Yeah. I mean, that all goes back to, like, just this new trend since, like, in a post-American Idol world

where, like like just embarrassing people for profit was like acceptable yeah but to go back to the book i mean you so you tie that story in like pretty terrible experience and with like how black people and black women especially are like uh when when when they uh assert ambition it's just immediately struck down with oh I'm sorry I'm banging on the mic it's immediately struck down with like well nope like you're being you're being too you're just you're reaching too

high yeah which is ridiculous and then that even and I just remember this very very very clearly because then I think you even talked about like veiled language of people saying like well she's you're so exotic you're so exotic and like we deal with that with like in terms of queer stuff it's like well she's you're so exotic you're so exotic and like we deal with that with like in terms of queer stuff it's like well that's too niche like we'll go

into pitching rooms and yeah that was a classic one yeah our ideas were too niche it's like oh they're too gay okay that's fine just say they're too gay yeah even though that's a shitty thing to say but anyway um I don't know like has that has that gotten better I know that's a weird

question and have you had a lot of response to that because i'm sure a lot of people who read the book didn't know about the the root of that language well i think what i'm most excited about now is that there are there's more black female representation which i think is important so you have people like isa ray and and Michaela Cole with chewing gum. I'm like, so obsessed. I need to watch it. It's really,

really great and fantastic and super quirky. And Michaela writes all the episodes herself. And so it's really like she stars in. And so it's just having these like voices who they're in control of their vision and they're providing another layer of the black experience because i think a lot of times like you know we just think about the black experience in terms of like black men and not really like how women black women are affected yeah and so i think right now it's really cool that there's all these different perspectives so i'm hoping that also

happens with like the queer community because i feel like you guys like i love you guys i think you guys are amazing and like you're not too gay you're not too niche like you should be out in the world having your own show you know what i mean i mean we're we're out and we're just you know wanting our stupid yeah you know i it's so encouraging whenever there's like minority representation i'm psyched i feel like it's a forward step for everyone like for example I am so psyched for Francesca and having her show and I know it's going to be a huge success

and that what like that makes me feel like a part of it yeah you know what I mean and you say this because you've worked with her and you know what she does she's very sweet and smart and talented so everything and like not even because I've worked with her specifically that I feel like being a part of it,

but it's just like, wow, you know, I'm so psyched that they went with someone who's going to bring something new and who's going to bring something good. Yeah. Because, and it's almost so stupid that it's taken this long. I know.

Totally. Because it should have been like that from the beginning. It's like, why do you think we don't trust so stupid that it's taken this long. I know. Totally. Because it should have been like that from the beginning. It's like, why do you think we don't trust or all these voices all blend together? It's because they're all the same. They've been homogenized so much. Yeah. People upset about Fallon's rating slipping. I don't think it has much to do with Fallon.

I think it has a lot to do with people just tuning out in general yeah obviously I don't have like data in front of me that shows that that's true but I think that we're on the precipice of seeing a lot of new cool stuff emerge especially because everything

in like the political and international sphere is like getting so bad like i was thinking the other day someone said to me the other day like sudi said to me like it's really comforting to have to be able to watch feud because i feel like it's almost like the universe gave us feud because because because there's a trump yeah yeah or like rupaul's drag race which is like becoming more and more mainstream which is like how it should be this isn't like this like drag world isn't like oh that's weird yeah no it's

like no this is a commentary on culture this is satire this is witty this is smart this is funny this is all these things and like you know straight people i love my straight people but we are slow with a lot of stuff and so seeing something like that move to vh1 yeah get the highest ratings has ever gotten yeah and automatically be renewed for another season i'm like oh straight people are starting to slowly get it like and you don't need to see yourself reflecting in everything to enjoy it totally i mean which i think is great that's so true well when you're pushed to the outside of something you're able to see it more clearly yeah and so i think that that's something you're gonna get with all these emerging voices and these diverse voices is it is clearer different new takes yes yes beautiful yeah that's what we think guys on that note we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back with phoebe robinson yqie okay now listen bitch today we have a little bit of an offer for you

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let's get back to the show. Yes. We're back with Phoebe Robinson telling her how adorable she looks. She does. Oh my gosh. So we were literally

off air. We were just talking about our favorite musicals. We've decided that Bowen and Phoebe both love West Side Story and I love Xanadu which is not which is a gag answer um phoebe we just you mentioned rupaul before the break are you watching this season i am watching this season thoughts thoughts okay charlie what even was that? You know what? I think he came on this show just to be seen.

He didn't have any intentions of going far, of winning. He just wanted the extra exposure. And I'm like, so many people kill to be on that show. And how dare you be like, I'm not going to lip sync. Fuck you. I have a theory about it. I can't. I think that that's just like, oh, Charlie.

That's who Charlie is. that's what Charlie decided to do and I actually have a feeling that RuPaul might know Charlie from way back and cause one of my friends was like RuPaul should have told Charlie off like RuPaul should have come for Charlie right there but then I was like

the thing is though this is like an older queen like probably there is a lot going on around in her mind about being on the show and I think surrounded by all these 20 year olds yeah who like clearly have the leg up and like what's Charlie gonna do a death drop yeah but I

you know what I mean like and so I think it was appropriate that Rue didn't like come for her just kind of let her go with her dignity I would have gagged for you know a 50 year old queen doing a death drop she would have gagged for a 50-year-old queen doing a death drop. She would have gagged too in the hospital bed on some hospital food. But you know what? And I at first took issue with Charlie in the confessional saying,

you know what? I'm a singing queen. I don't lip sync. Yeah. Like having this staunch identity thing. But you know what? I guess she's seasoned enough of a drag queen to really just say, know what she can and can't do and just be like,

yeah, I just don't do it. So I don't begrudge her of that. But it was so lame that she just stood there. Yeah. Yeah, other thoughts. Who are we loving? Who are we loving? I like Valentina.

She's really good. I like Trinity, too. Same. Yeah. My fave. I'm officially done with Eureka. I can't. Oh, thank you. I'm so over with Eureka I can't oh thank you

I'm so over it cut just she's a very talented queen and I love I love her choices with the wardrobe cause and I think in her

Meet the Queen she was like I just wanna wear what you wouldn't normally associate big girls wearing like I wanna wear something that you

that you say she shouldn't be wearing that but still pull it off and I was like oh that's cool but the fact that she has like this attitude problem and she's rude and she's mean is really upsetting.

It's like Ginger Minj part two. There you go. It really is. And it's just, the thing is, it's so obviously born out of insecurity. And so I almost don't even, I don't want to get to the point where I have to be like, fuck you.

But it's gotten to the point now where it's like, God, get it together. Also, it's not drag to be really mean. That's not part of it at all. I don't even think it's necessarily out of insecurity. It's just probably just narcissism or something where she just wants to be the loudest voice. But anyway. Think about it though. We see Eureka as a boy. That's how she walks the streets. Like, I don't think Eureka is narcissistic.

I think Eureka is probably very insecure. Yeah. And that is why I'm trying to come at it with from like a place of like, you know, I want her to love herself enough so she can love everyone else. Can I get an amen? You know what I mean? But the thing is, like, it's just it's just hard. I want her to love herself enough so she can love everyone else. Can I get an amen? You know what I mean? Amen. But the thing is, like, it's just hard. Like, it's going to be a long road, I think, for her to get to a place where she's not going to be very defensive.

Yeah. And she's a good queen. She is good. So I'm like, just fix the personality. Like, learn from Roxy Andrews. Learn from Fifi. Like, just being nasty doesn't win. Just doesn't.

You know? It's not. We ran into Roxy Andrews in Universal Orlando Resort. You did? Yeah. And she was really nice. In fact, my boyfriend Henry and I were there in Islands of Adventure. And apparently Roxy's an Orlando queen.

And apparently she's always there. And Ginger Minj is always in the theme parks because in Orlando, what you do is you go chill in the theme parks because they all have season passes or whatever. It's like the fun thing to do. So we saw her as a boy, obviously. And my boyfriend was like, that's Roxy Andrews. And I was like, no way. Turned around and all I did was point and say, nothing.

I just pointed and I was like, I was just like, I see you. So then we obviously got out of the park and like took a breath and then Henry goes, she's coming up

right behind you right now. She's approaching you. She's coming up to us right now. And I was like, I turned around and she fully came up and like gave us a hug and her friends offered to take a picture and asked us what we were doing in town and said she was going to have like really engaged.

And it was so kind and it's so different from the season five Roxy Andrews, which was like truly mean. Maybe even worse than anyone's ever been. Worse than Fifi, you think? Roxy was pretty bad. she was up there with fifi she was bad she's mean to jinx yeah yeah it wasn't a good situation and no it was it was really and i love jinx do you have a favorite queen of all time well you interviewed alaska yeah alaska was amazing i think my favorites are alaska latrice, and Alyssa. Solid three. That's a good three.

Also, I really love Katya. Oh, yeah. You got her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Katya's great. What about you guys? What about Bowen's girl? That's my girl.

But also, just because you relate, and I think everybody relates in that capacity where it's like she's paralyzed by fear and insecurity with herself. But Alaska is just like just new and the only time the veneer ever cracked was that like episode in all stars 2 where she just like that meltdown like who hasn't had one a grandmother of all meltdowns yeah but um oh my god alaska though alaska is the one yeah the one love it how was i mean i listened to the episode but like what was it like like he's so great yeah he was just really funny and chill and sweet and it was just really really nice and we're talking about lady gaga and he was saying how he met her and it was just like really cool yeah yeah it's really great um he goes to like ucb shows he just like goes and

hangs oh cool yeah he's like he he he likes the comedy show i love which like makes me love her even more you guys are gonna have a drag queen on this show i just know it's gonna happen can i tell you who we were trying to get michelle visage like while we were in town and we were trying to get her and i think she might be just out of our reach like some people that i was talking to about it was like i think you need to get some queens first and then it'll make it worth michelle Visage's while because we're at the point right now where like probably her people wouldn't even

tell her that we contacted yeah but I do know she loves to connect with the young gays she does yeah you can get her she has a grinder she said on what's the tea that she has a grinder because she just likes to chat that's hilarious but also like okay chill out michelle you've got a kid just

like i'm just saying not not saying like she can't be on grinder because she has a kid but it's like hang out with your kid yeah don't be on the phone chatting with dudes on grinder maybe the kid is asleep we all know us kids are awake at night so she knows that too she puts her kids to bed and then she hangs out with the other kids yeah i think we can i mean not to like book live while we're on on the record but like we can get like we know thorgy like we've been to bob shows before she got she was on the show yeah you should get bob have you seen bob perform live yeah well bob was on two dub queens i know bob was on but not not the full bob experience yes not yet but i want to. Bob used to do a weekly show at Barracuda Lounge in New York. And we were lucky because we got to see Bob before.

Before now, you can't really see Bob anymore. Yeah. And that was the funniest comedy show in New York City. That was one of the best comedy shows in New York City. Wow. Hands down. I should hang out with you guys. I feel like you guys are really hip and cool.

I like to be at home in bed. See, the thing is, though, I also like to be at home in bed. And I also like to be at home in bed. And Bob the Drag Queen was the only thing that could get me out at midnight on a Monday. Oh, yeah. Which is when Bob's shows were. I can't. I know, right?

But Bob made it worth it. Wow. I promise you. Just go home. Look up Bob doing a lip sync to God Warrior. Okay. Oh, this is a wife swap. Remember that wife swap episode where she was like,

I'm a God Warrior. A very religious woman. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he does a lip sync mix to that. That's hilarious. And then he does a lip sync mix to Slave For You by Britney Spears with Chris Rock's stand up about slavery. And it's the most genius.

Oh, that's genius. It's genius. Okay. So, so slavery. And it's the most genius. Oh, that's genius. It's genius. Okay. So, so funny. And it's just fantastic. So, yeah. I mean, God, Bob was great on Two Dope Queens, too. So fun.

So, so, so great. That energy was amazing. Yeah. Oh, my God, Phoebe. So, tell us. I don't know. This is, like, slightly cloying. But, I mean, we're charting new waters in the podcast world.

Yeah, so you're a podcast queen. Yes. So was this something, because we started doing this and it was just like, this will be for us. Yeah. But like, what's the tea? What's the tea on this? Like, so when you started getting into it, were you just like this will be for fun or was that yeah i mean even before i started with wnyc i used to do a podcast out of my apartment

in brooklyn that like maybe a hundred people listened to and i was just interviewing people and i just had fun doing it it was like i just wanted to hang out with funny people and that was it and then when i teamed up with jess Dope Queens, we really just wanted to be representing different voices. And then same with like so many white guys. I just really wanted to interview people that I thought were brilliant and hilarious and weren't getting enough shine. Or like, I felt like weren't being asked enough great questions in interviews.

Yeah. That really is what it's about. Like people get booked, but then they get asked fucking bullshit yeah i know yeah like i felt like a lot of janet mock was just like so you're you're a woman now and it was just like they're so you know what i mean it just felt so reductive and like dismissive in a way and just kind of like putting her in another category and it's like there's more to her than just transitioning to who she really is you know what I mean and I just felt like people were just kind of

not respecting that or honoring her talent or her intelligence and so I just really wanted to stop that that's fantastic I remember going to the two dip queens launch party in the green space oh my god that's right you were there so I was there

and I got the hook up this is before we like i this is before we knew each other but uh like i had seen you do stand up and then uh sean walrus swarm at wnyc yeah i love sean yeah so she and i did a show together and then he was like come to this premiere party it's it's gonna be this like great new podcast i was like cool so he went and then you you guys came out and that was an event it was an event it was packed and then phoebe wore this like amazing red dress from forever 21 i mean i don't want to like just don't take this the wrong way you look snatched you look amazing and then i think you walked up on stage and you said, and I'll never forget this, you said, I can't do anything in this dress except get laid.

And I was like, ah! That was funny saying. I don't remember saying that. I was like, that's so fucking good. That's such a good line. Because I did not get laid that night. Oh, come on. I mean, you know, I'm single.

You are single. What's the deal? Can mean, you know, I'm single. You are single. Can I tell you what I heard about today? What? Raya? I'm waitlisted. How are you waitlisted? I've been waitlisted for a year and a half. Why would they waitlist you? I don't know. And I have a friend who got on Raya

and used me as a reference and I'm still not allowed on oh my god that's that's bullshit yeah for those of you who don't know because I didn't fucking know this but Raya is like a dating app for famous people famous people like if you for creatives really right creatives yeah yeah for like notable creatives and Phoebe Robinson is not wow call your motherfucking senators that's bullshit write in call and you know what don't email don't email pick up the phone call diane feinstein you guys get on it get on it kirsten gillibrand is a maybe um it's a maybe vote on phoebe that's wait someone used you as a reference.

That is crazy. So someone is working on it. Okay, good. At Raya. So hopefully it'll happen. That's amazing. Yeah, but I've heard mixed things. I've heard that it's just like every other dating app

where there's a lot of turds to look for. Yeah, for sure. I don't know. I'm a romantic. I just want to meet in person. See, and honestly, that's how Henry and I met And I The only way I was looking

Was on the apps Wait how did you guys meet We met When we met Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson Do a show in New York Called Gay Show for All People And their pianist

Is Henry Kapurski And I was on the show Doing a set And that was when we met At the very first time And actually I was on that show With Alana Glazer

Yes Oh fine Yeah And who I had known Like several years prior Cause she was in a I was doing that at the very first time. And actually, I was on that show with Alana Glazer. Yes. Oh, fun. Yeah. And who I had known like several years prior because she was in a video that my sketch group did. And so I was reconnecting with her and it was so funny because I was so excited to see her. Yeah.

Because I hadn't seen her in years. And also, I was like just pumped to see Alana perform. Yeah. So I was catching up. Not even catching up because we weren't like friends. We kind of knew each other. But I was like picking her brain a little bit, talking to her. And this whole time out of the corner of my eye, I was like, but also that piano player though.

But also like, and I always clocked Henry, but he had a boyfriend at the time and then they broke up. And three days later we got together. We've been together ever since. How long have you guys been together? Just hit up two years. Oh my God. Congratulations. Thanks. Thanks. Yeah. It it's a beautiful he's the best but what i'm saying is i always in the back of my head was like

yeah please god let me meet someone in real life but i was looking on the apps yeah right now i'm holding out for john ham yeah oh my god he did the podcast yeah i'm like you know there was a connection and there was a connection yeah you gotta follow up on that i would ask this semi-serious question and this applies to both of you to all three of us to everybody in this room okay but with rye if it's for creatives how do we feel about dating people in the creative world because i was talking to someone about like about this and they and they were like oh I would never want to date another person tangentially even in my field because there would just be this competitive thing here's the thing specifically with riot it's not just creatives in terms of like writers and actors and comedians like amy schumer met her like woodworker

boyfriend yeah and that's also under the under the umbrella of creative like if you're an entrepreneur like on your own business you know like that creative. Like if you're an entrepreneur, like on your own business, you know, that sort of thing. If you're not like an accountant, then you qualify. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You basically can't just be working at the desk. Sure. But for me, it's like when I was looking around, I just didn't want to date someone that was doing exactly what I was doing. Especially when you're dating another man yeah

because then it's like you literally are coming from the same spot yeah and I wanted to avoid that because I know like I might have some some deep-seated competition yeah you also want your thing to be your thing and not you know you want to like date someone who like has

different interests than you so when you come home you're not just talking about the same stuff you know what i mean so is that what you want yeah i don't want to date a comedian i will never do it again i've done it in the past in my twants and i'm like never again um but i'm open to like a i'm like i'm open to michael b jordan like i'm open to like select you know i think i could be very open to Michael B. Jordan if you know what I mean. I could be wide open. And there I'll say it.

I'll put it out there. Poppers. Hello. Oh wow. But yeah I think What a man. Yeah he's so dreamy. Jesus Christ though.

I mean and so talented. I such agree. It's insane Do you know who I love? Who? What's he in? They were all in a movie together Moonlight?

I mean yes Oh you're talking about Mahershala And Trevante And also Who played at the end of the movie Kevin who'd grown up? Oh, the guy. Yeah, he was great.

He's cute. So handsome. Super cute. I was super. And also, not for nothing, but that was a hot movie. It was sensual. It gets credit for being a great movie, but also it doesn't get enough credit for being a hot movie.

I just watched it. That H.J. I was like, oh, cool. That H.J. was a moment. Yeah, it was great. And also, you get a little self-conscious. A little Oscar it. That H.J. I was like, oh, cool. The H.J. was a moment. Yeah, it was great. And also you get a little self-conscious. An Oscar worthy handjob. Yeah. Is that the only movie that's ever

an Oscar winner where a handjob was a full plot point? Maybe. I think so. Yes, I think so. Okay, sure, sure, sure. That wasn't in Pride and Prejudice. That was not in Pride and Prejudice. That was not in Pride and Prejudice. That didn't happen in Black Swan. Matt's new latest fixture is the lead from the Power Rangers movie. Oh, I haven't seen it.

Okay, so again. Is it a basic hot dude? He's a hot 22-year-old Australian who's obviously being starved named Dacker Montgomery. That name is too much it's way too much yeah it's way too much and he's way too much but like too too too too much good yeah okay but i was gonna say what's his name oh jesse smallett who's that oh he's cute and honestly he snuck up on me because in the beginning episodes of empire i was like no and then later

on i was like yes he can sing he's so handsome he's amazing yeah and then of course I always love my boys my Justin Timberlake my Chris Pine I'm a Chris Pine which one is that that is because out of the many straight white Chris's it's hard to keep them

all in check he is Captain Kirk oh I thought that was Chris Evans Chris Evans is Captain Kirk. Oh, I thought that was Chris Evans. Chris Evans is Captain America. I'm so sorry. These hot, straight, white captains named Chris. Oh my God. Oh, yeah.

Chris Pine. Yeah, that's a cute one. Chris Pine is everything to me. And I wish I could get into Zachary Quinto, but I'm just not. He's cute. I'm not a spock guy i'm a kirk guy if you know what i mean he's cute on his instagram though super zachary yeah sure sure yeah he's like he's like a cute stylish gay there you go and you can go for that yeah right yeah okay yeah do you have a type or do you think the word, that types don't exist?

I don't know. I think I like kind of, I think my type is changing because I'm 32 now and I think I'm, because I have more self-esteem now, I love myself more. I think it's changing.

I think before I was just kind of like, Nerdy dudes. Thank you. Or just like, thank you so much for like liking me. You know what I mean? Just like, oh, I'm so happy you want to date me.

I'm just grateful to be in a relationship and now I'm like i want to date a boss i want to date someone who like reads and is funny and obviously like super cute but like i think i just want an involved man you want somebody that can take care of themselves and has figured themselves out exactly you're not trying to be the person who saves anybody not here for potential anymore sorry sorry i can't i'm done if we can get phoebe a man from this podcast oh if you're out there if you're an evolved man reach out like late 30s early 40s that'll be cute yeah honestly if anyone deserves an involved man oh it's me and phoebe yeah wait how long have you been single it's been almost two years my whole life well the last time i dated someone was like years ago but like even then nothing's nothing's gone beyond like two three months yeah it's hard to date it's hard and i wouldn't consider myself ever having been in like a relationship relationship so i don't know i've had things

i've had things um uh i was recently on our friend farrah's podcast where it's called psychic hotline one dollar a minute she brings on comedians and they talk to psychics like that's cool my main question my name my main question was hey um i've just been dealing with this my whole life and people telling me all the time like we'll work on yourself and then they'll come but i've been like i've been i've been doing that for forever like what like what gives like when's this gonna happen and then the psychic who may have been bad at her job because she just didn't really give me much but she was like like, you know what? I'm thinking mid-May. You'll get someone.

And then she goes, I'm seeing September. By September, you'll be living together. And I was like, what? Sure. OK. That's wild. I mean, that doesn't sound like me. I would have been like, that opens up

a whole bunch of more questions. Like, what the fuck's wrong with me in June and July? Yeah, that's a lot. I don't know. Living together by September, pump the brakes. Four months? No. Gays move fast, but not stupid fast.

No, no, no. Oh my God. Yeah, I was just like, okay. And then I just casually threw her in there like, maybe I want a dog. And she was like, yeah, you know what? By the time you're moved into the place at the time, you're going to get a dog.

Yeah, I was like. Next week I can see you get a dog. Okay. I was like, okay, thanks, lady. And then her whole adage for me was, and she just had this raspy, smoky voice. And she was like, you know what? Just what I say say is this is what

you have to remember just say why not why not let myself have a dog and a boyfriend and i was like i kind of like pushed back i was like that doesn't really tell me anything yeah also i've been divorced 17 times there you go because for for a literal fucking fucking You know four month relationship Before you move in like that's not gonna end well But anyway that's where I'm at Yeah she's crazy Yeah hard pass Hard pass for me on

Believing Oh me too Are you a believer Would you hit up a phone psychic? I don't think I would. Yeah. But I believe in other things. I could believe in aliens.

Yeah, for sure. They're for sure here. I believe in like the secret and like the universe and all that kind of like stuff. Oh my God. Well, I will only believe like that kind of new agey stuff when it comes. And I mean this. It's not just because we were talking about her earlier when it comes from oprah because she has another video where she says there are no mistakes yes i've seen it you know what i'm talking about she's like but there is that

thing that pushes you along your path yes and will always set you right and i was like that's it that's my religion it's so true yeah um but then uh but i like i was very up front with this lady over the phone i was like by the way this is my first time calling um and i don't believe in astrology i'm like not but i'm just doing this for fun um and meanwhile pharaoh was just sitting there like hitting buttons and and stuff but um i love it anyway um my boyfriend like for a second was like toying with the idea of like getting into numerology and i was like shut it down and then i i sicked my best friend sudi on him and

she was like if you have problems you need to go to a therapist numerology is not it that's it that's true yeah um just re-self help yeah that's what i do all the time or meditate or meditate Phoebe before we move on any other little I know we didn't really talk about this that much any little podcasty tips

I know it's like such a silly world here's a question for you I have a question for you when you are about to interview someone do you come with your questions

do you write things down yeah so we have like a very small crew at So Many White Guys but they'll do research and then they'll send me like the first

round of questions then I go through and tweak them then I add my own questions and then I just kind of when I do the interview I just kind of like

follow wherever the interview goes great yeah that's the way you gotta do it you gotta keep it loosey-goosey

yeah cause especially when you're talking to people like when I interviewed I don't know when i interviewed tom hanks it was just like super fun and delightful and i just kind of wanted to go wherever he wanted to go because he was he was so good at playing yeah yeah because he's done it a million times and i'm sure he want he felt it very refreshing yeah just have this kind of like

candid conversation exactly we have the most nervous you ever were tom hanks no the most nervous i was was with one was with uh strangely enough the comedians like margaret cho i was very nervous with her um mike berbiglia was pretty nervous and i don't know why but with the comedians i just like really want to do a good job or something yeah you want to do your home you don't know what they'll throw yeah yeah and i don't want to be like oh i'm not able to be funny with them i don't know i was just like really like but it was great like margaret was so funny and smart oh yeah just delightful i was like girl just relax i'm so glad she's like she's coming back yeah maybe she's never been gone but like you know she's in back. Yeah. Maybe she's never been gone, but like, you know, she's in terms of like formative comedic influences.

Was she one of yours? Well, here's the thing is I was never, I didn't want to get into standup. Like it was never a comedy was never my thing. Like I thought I was going to write like very serious films. I remember this. Yeah.

I was like American beauty. I'm going to write like that floating trash bag scene. Like that's like what I wanted. And so then when I started, American Beauty, I'm going to write, like, that floating trash bag scene. Like, that's, like, what I wanted. And so then when I started, you know, taking stand-up class, and then I kind of went back and I watched, like, Margaret Cho and Chris Rock and Ellen DeGeneres and all those people. So I really had to play catch-up. But, yeah, she was great. I mean, is.

But, like, her specials at Wash, they were great. We could, like, quote the Carnegie Hall set to Yeah like Wanda Sykes And just people like that just really smart Like I really liked Patrice O'Neill I didn't agree with like 35% of what he said But he was so funny

He was always coming from a place of like his Truth which I thought was like very Authentic and real and wasn't necessarily About like putting anyone down. Yeah. It was more about how he sees the world. Even he's like kind of a little backwards gender wise. It still kind of felt like,

Oh, this is coming from a place of not like, Oh, women are just dumb cunts. Like it was never that, you know what I mean? Did you watch the new Chappelle stuff? I did.

I mean, it's, you know, I haven't watched it. I actually haven't watched it yet because I'm like, it's daunting. Yeah. Yeah, I still have a lot of respect for him. It's weird to reconcile. It's like, I don't know. It's very complicated. It's tough. Yeah, I think some of his stuff was funny i think some of his queer stuff i just think he he's behind yeah yeah and i feel

like some of the jokes i'm like oh if he just replaced like instead of gay or trans and replace like a black person i don't think he would make that joke sure you know what i mean totally but meanwhile it's like that's so funny that people think that that is like a viable option. Because meanwhile, you have, and I'm just going to like shout out you and Jessica. It's like, well, you two, you two on stage just like talk about yourselves and celebrate yourselves. And it's like, just do that.

Yeah. And it's more fun and it's like good for everybody it's more interesting to turn it inward totally yeah and i think if you're going to i don't know it's just like i don't think i would ever do trans material because it's like i'm not intelligent enough to talk about it yet and that's okay you know what i mean same and like sometimes it's like you the best thing that you can do is not be the voice of it just pass it to an actual trans person yeah and have them do the comedy and that's better than you like trying to figure it out as like a cis person and like really like

do it poorly yeah you know especially because it's always changing yeah yeah it's sometimes i think about like how far we've come in like Five or six years And we thought we were like Nailing it in 2009 And it's like there was still like Garbage happening The amount of like Frustrating like gay jokes

You saw on like network television They only just are disappearing now That is true and it's very like Like sometimes you go back And you watch like friends or something television like they only just are disappearing now that is true and it's very like like sometimes you go back and watch you like watch like friends or something you're like the amount of gay panic on that show it was like what yep and even it's crazy even on will and grace like that was just how do you guys feel about it because so from the outside, I go, oh, it was a little backwards, but I think it was a great first step. But do you feel that?

Or are you kind of like, nah, it was not? I don't think it's bad that it existed. I think it was such a funny show. And I think it got people talking about what it must be like to be gay. And it got people on the side of gay people because they were able to laugh with gay people however what i think it did contribute to perhaps unknowingly was this thing of like you're either a will or a jack yeah and because they were the only two real gay people on like mainstream network television so it was like you know you know people were getting asked by their aunts and uncles like that were coming if you were coming out of the closet so are you a will or a jack

you know what i mean like you're either this or you're that or you're either a man or you act like a woman right and because i think it was so important to the comedy of that show that we had that duality like it just ended up um reinforcing a stereotype yeah i know you mean also it also kind of bothered me that will like he never like i don't think his relationships were ever explored as deeply as grace's were and that always bothered me because i was like i and deborah messing was like a goddess on that show she was like hysterical but i'm like i don't know just like eric mccormick just you could see there was so much He could do If they just gave him

Like a really meaty Substantial relationship I agree And they didn't Do that Also Eric McCormick Is a straight man

I know And that's also Another thing Is it's just like You know Again like And that you know It's not too long ago

That we were like Don't worry He's actually straight In real life Yeah You know what I like, don't worry, he's actually straight in real life. You know what I mean? Don't worry, audiences of America, he's actually straight. It's funny that he's playing a gay guy.

And also, Sean Hayes was saying he was straight at the time. I know, and that's crazy, but it's also like, I don't know what I would do in his position at that time. It's like really hard. It probably wasn't just his decision did you like i loved will and grace and um i but i'm but yeah thinking about sean hayes it's like he probably had his raps being like you cannot oh absolutely so it didn't matter that he played like the gayest of all gay caricatures it was still gonna be a bad situation if he was like yeah

totally totally um uh before i move on to i don't think so honey phoebe um can we just have a general convo how is how how are you so excited for i love dick are you so excited for portlandia like what's what's what's what's like coming down the pike that you want to talk about yeah so i love dick comes out may 12th i don't know if this is going up before or after that probably around then probably right around then yeah i'm really excited it's kevin bacon katherine haunt griffin dunn yeah katherine is amazing so talented and sweet and kevin is just like he's like the night yeah i just laughed because i like would avoid eye contact with him so much as i was so intimidated by him and like now i'm like oh it's kind of a person yeah But like on set I was like he's so cool and funny And like really good at his job

And like he's hot and I was like I'm just gonna go be a comedian in the corner He's an amazing actor He's so good And everyone says how wonderful he is Just to be around and what a good person he is I think when you've been famous For that long you're like I don't care that i'm famous like i'm just living my life you know

baby yeah and they raise an amazing daughter so see who's my friend she's so cute and she's the best i love her and she's on 13 reasons why and everyone should watch 13 reasons why this show's heavy i hear it i hear it's heavy very rough and a friend of mine, Julia Bicknell, writes on it. I want to shout out her. Oh, Julia writes on it? Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. But I heard it's very heavy.

Yeah. Oh, my God. But also good. You know, sometimes we need to go to heavy. Totally. We got to talk about it. Oh, my God. What's Jill like?

I love her so much. She's really cool and funny and sweet. And she's a genius. She's really able to pinpoint how to make something better. And you're just like, Whoa, I wouldn't be like that. Yeah.

You know, when I'm at her age and Portlandia is great too. Like Fred and Carrie are just so funny and really sweet and they're great leaders. And I just really feel like this year I'm just able to work with people who are just really, there's like no bullshit there's no drama everyone is just like we're here to do a job and it's fun and then we can go home

isn't that great and i like that yeah yeah great to just not be disappointed by those people that you uh have looked up to and have to look up to in a professional setting like yeah they're just like facilitating your growth and your success that's awesome yeah so it's been good and i just sold my second book i was just saying today i was like i think phoebe sold another book yeah no i'm not surprised yeah can you tease well it's going to be another essay collection yes one one essay is called white nonsense we love it we hate it so um i think it's gonna be super fun we're trying to figure out a title right now and yeah i'm gonna start writing it i guess next month i don't this

is why i'm single i'm like i'm just gonna keep working and like hopefully my husband will find me but hey yeah honestly it is it is happening it's happening that's so cool i just don't want to be like katherine heigl in 27 dresses no but then she ended up who was the james marsden is hot james marsden he's actually you know what he's the one he's the one because he can act he can sing he can dance so funny oh my god honestly he's the kind of guy that you know smells good. Yes. Yes. I agree with that.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Like Westworld, that was. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it either. Recommend. Okay. The first few episodes are hard.

Like confusing or. No, in terms of the subject matter, it's like fuck. It's like another HBO show where women are treated horribly. It's like, is this going to be another HBO show, but then that flips it on its head and actually becomes about that and it's amazing again it's westworld and i i have to give big ups to hbo because they have kind of taken this criticism that's like yo a lot of women get raped and murdered and beat up in your shows and they've kind of really taken that narrative and now they make shows that are about that but it's it really um kind of just makes society look at itself yeah like big what big little lies did like where where you know people ask what is that show about and you start describing it and everyone's like that

sounds like every other stupid show about like rich white women, like fighting with each other. But really it's a show about domestic violence and how that ripples through a community and affects everyone for the worst. Westworld is about like how violence is entertainment and especially violence against women is entertainment and what that does to the psyche and where it could lead. And,

and it's a, And it's really... Yeah. That sounds really fascinating. And it's also extremely well done. Wow. And probably maybe the best performance on television is Tandy Newton. Tandy! Oh, I love Tandy.

Yeah, she's it. Come on. She's it. Come through, Tandy. Do you think that she should win an Emmy? So they will be in different categories than all the Big Little Lies ladies. And yes, I do absolutely 100%. Although she's being, this is breaking tea news.

She's being campaigned as a lead actress on Westworld. And she's not the lead actress of the show. And she could flat out win the supporting actress category. But the best actress category is kind of being swept up by Claire Foy from The Crown. Oh, right. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it because I'm so bored of old British men coughing.

I don't care. It's Nicole Kidman, except it's an old British man coughing and stuff. Yeah. So I think she's being put in the wrong category. But I think that she should be showered with awards there you go you gotta and Tandy Newton has been people talk about people like sleeping on Laura Dern like sleeping on

you we've been sleeping on that's gonna be my I don't think so honey oh wow that's the first time I've revealed my I don't think so honey but Phoebe we're just saying it's happening for you and not necessarily for like someone to come and like like be your so no we're just saying like you're doing so much it's so cool it's so inspiring to watch we love you so much yeah because you're a true creative powerhouse

i just want to have an empire and create my own shows and help facilitate other people to create their shit and i just go back and sit back and be like you just go crush it yeah just be like i know it's a beautiful ripple effect i love that okay time to move on i don't think it's time for i don't think so honey and of course phoebe recently did our live show which was so fun i was on my period i was so tired i'm so sorry but that's why i'm still coming out that's why i left i i was watched till the end but then I got into a lift immediately and went home and I was like look you gotta go when you gotta go

thank you so much for doing that that was so so so great of you and iconic I don't think so honey about women who put their braids up in a tall bun I mean it's so infuriating it's like I can't see this concert no you can't You can't

Come on Just think of the people around you Okay Think of the island around you You know what I just changed I'm not gonna do people Who come for Tandy Newton Because I just told you

That you should be ashamed I have someone else Here we go You go first Because I'm still thinking I'm gonna go first This is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey

Time starts now I don't think so honey John Mayer I don't care about your new album You're disrespectful You're very disrespectful I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. John Mayer, I don't care about your new album. You're disrespectful. You're very disrespectful. I don't care about you and your music. I don't care about your whiny-ass voice.

You have a low whine to your voice. You think that you're Bob Dylan? No. You know what? Like, honestly, I don't think so, honey. You being disrespectful to women, you spilled all the tea about women you've slept with. You are the equivalent of that person on facebook who just wants the likes

you posted garbage and you've been posting the same shit all the doodah day and you just you expect to get likes for it look i can listen to this album right now it could sound the same fucking shit as continuum and that's literally the only other album I can name from you not true Room for Squares. 15 seconds. John Mayer, I don't think so honey you don't bring enough. I think you're a 7 out of 10 in terms of looks. It could be better if I want to listen to someone strum a

guitar bring me Jason Mraz. Where are you at Jason Mraz? I don't think so honey John Mayer, I think so Jason Mraz Oh and that's one minute. Oh, man. That was so good. Really good.

I don't care. No about him. Oh, my God. Continuum is so good. Continuum is a great album. Yes. Can we all be on? Okay.

We're all on the same page. And Room for Squares is really good, too. It's really good. Okay, but listen. But he is trash. He's terrible. He is true trash. And he was a racist piece of shit to Kumail Nanjiani

that's true he was he was Kumail tweeted this whole thing you have to look it up he cause John Mayer dabbles in stand up

I guess hard pass hard pass and like oh he doesn't dabble he's gone out and done it he's done it and then like

he and Kumail are on the same bill one night isn't that the stupidest thing you've ever heard so dumb but then like after the show like

I don't know what instigated it but like they got into like a full-on like war of words and like just fucking they got into it so look that up it's so disgusting you don't go out and describe what sex was like with people and then everyone knows it's like he went out and like you can but not in that way he explicitly described sex with people that like, and like they weren't, I don't know. It was messy. That's a form of harassment. Yeah. And also like, then he got all pissed because Taylor Swift wrote like an indirect song about

him. It's like, please. Yeah. Sit and spin. Yeah. Like, don't act like you weren't on Howard Stern, like spilling the tea. Like, I don't like hypocrites And he gets away with it because he's Like a straight white dude

Sure I mean I think for sure Totally no absolutely are you racking your brain Trying to think of your I don't think I have a couple You have a couple yeah Great okay um I don't have over you Just like oh my god He has fingers to temples

I am extremely amazing beautiful manicure white okay so this is inspired by chris jenner she paints her nails white i saw some keeping with the kardashians it's like the one super trash thing that i watch do it and i was like i want to try this this is the only thing from the kardashian life i want to try okay and i is the only thing from the Kardashian life I want to try. Okay. And I like it. It works so well on you.

So maybe I need a lip cat. Get a lip cat. Gotta get a lip cat. Get Kylie a lip cat. She is, she's too much. Is that, these are amazing nails. They're not jails. And also, is this a Prince pin?

It is. Yes, it's gorgeous. I bought it from wildfang.com. They're a feminist clothing apparel place. Check them out. Ooh. They do. feminist clothing apparel place. Check them out. Ooh, that's good. That's a good plug. It's time, Bowen.

I don't have anything solid. Well, you want me to go into the troll bowl? No, no, no. Go into the troll bowl, yes. So everyone, Bowen has decided that it's time to go into the troll bowl. Of course, the troll bowl is our potpourri of pop culture topics, and he has to go negative on whatever I choose right now. And these are all universally loved in general. Yes. Universally loved

things. I really want to find something good. I want to find something that comes out of nowhere. Okay, I have one. Okay, here we go. Alright, Bowen Yang, your I Don't Think So Honey is about Mrs. Claus and it starts now! I Don't Think So Honey, Mrs. Claus and whoever invented you,

whatever fucking Norse idiot invented you, Mrs. Claus, to be a feminized version of Santa Claus who's at home being domestic as fuck. Look, I am third-weight feminist, honey. Yes, I am. But I don't appreciate you just sitting at home in that rocking chair, knitting, or whatever the fuck you're doing, Mrs. Claus. I don't think so, honey, Mrs. Claus. What are you doing the rest of the year when it's not Christmas?

You better be reading some fucking Joan Didion. You better be reading some Roxane Gay. I don't care. Just better. You better be reading and come correct to Santa Claus and teach him to be

a better human being. I don't think so many Mrs. Claus. Where are you? We need to see you surface yourself. Where are you? Where are you, Mrs. Claus? We need more female representation during the holidays. And I don't think so many of you stay.

Five seconds, come hard. Just sitting in front of the fucking fireplace mantle and just thinking that you can just get away with just being domestic as fuck. I don't think so many. Oh, my God. You you asked where are you we know she's at the north pole we know where she is we know where she is but i'm saying where is she in the conversation we don't talk about her okay all righty oh man well the bar is obviously high god this is like so scary no you're gonna pull that right over that bar but it's like so scary no it's not scary. No, you're going to pull right over that bar. I know, but it's, like, so scary. No, it's not scary, Phoebe. You're going to nail it.

You nailed it the first time. You've done this before. Dope Queen, Phoebe. But also, no pressure. On the track. This is, I don't, Phoebe Robinson's, I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, Lyft drivers who are not based in New York.

Do not ask me to sit in the front passenger seat with you. We are not driving to Coachella together honey i am trying to go home and take this plan b pill okay also learn how to pronounce my name don't say phobe it is phoebe oh no i've been on charm phoebe from charm phoebe from friends phoebe from Catcher, and the right honey, read a book. Oh, she's been around. 30 seconds. Also, also, I hate your fucking music choice. Yes. It's just Ryan Seacrest and Jason

Derulo and fucking Chainsmokers, honey. 15 seconds. I don't think so, Paris. I don't think so, Closer. I am done, honey. I cannot. I'm so, I can't think so Paris I don't think so closer I am done honey I cannot I'm so I I can't also cannot with the please rate me five stars bitch I will rate you when I want to rate you get out my life oh my god you know what you spoke for us all you spoke for us all and you threw in there and I don't think so honey for the chain smokers oh't think so, honey, for the chain smokers.

Oh, my God. I'm so done with the chain smokers. I was never starting with them. I was into them for like a solid two months, and I was like, oh, no. I got duped. You got duped? They're bad people. Yeah.

That's what I hear. Are they bad people? They're just like bros. No, thanks. Yeah. They're like, imagine two John Mayers who can use GarageBand. I just, actually, I mean. Actually, I'm dead now. I just jumped out the window. Okay. imagine two John Mayers who can like use garage band actually I'm dead now I just jumped out the window oh my god you guys

this has been such a good episode I don't want this to end oh my god Phoebe come on what's going on we just want to like hang with you we all are back in New York can we just do like a fun slumber party not at my apartment because I live far away

we'll do it at mine got a big old living room we love listen Phoebe has so much coming up so you're gonna see her everywhere don't worry about that and I think this is gonna be premiering right before the show I love Dick on Amazon please watch it please rate it

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