Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “Oscars And Other Things All At Once” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: March 15, 2023

It’s Hollywood’s Biggest Podcast Episode About A Night! Matt & Bowen join together to discuss the historic Everything Everywhere All At Once sweep, the Jamie Lee Curtis of it all, the Angela B...assett of it all, the concept of a “career Oscar”, Harley Quinn’s obvious manifestation in the mind and body of one Lady Gaga on the Oscar stage, Gaga as the Musical Mascot of the Academy Awards, and the idea of “Malala Best Dressed”. Also, a new perspective on the Naatu Naatu Oscar performance from Producer Hans, Matt’s Big Broadway Week, coughing and wheezing in the audiences of Broadway shows, what happens when a Disney ride hits it from the back, galvanization vs. dissociation on red carpets, Cunk On Earth, the Girls re-watch phenomenon of 2023 and tap water. Hold Our Hand, Readers! Everything will be okay!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that, who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac.
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Starting point is 00:01:39 Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. my look over there wow is that culture yes oh my goodness wow las culturistas ding dong las culturistas calling
Starting point is 00:01:49 oscar weekend it just happened it kind of came and went didn't it i feel it's been so long every year when the oscars are over i'm like well that was long. Even last night. Well, we'll get into it. But the result was very positive, I feel, for this podcast, at least. I agree. I agree. Very happy with the result. But I must confess that I did not watch the ceremony. I saw the clips. I was in transit. I was asleep. It's tough. I didn't realize that people East of America have it a little bit tough. Just past the Atlantic Ocean, the time zones are tough for live television.
Starting point is 00:02:30 Oh, yeah. It's so hard. Well, LA really makes it all about them, you know? With these LA live shows, they say we're getting in at five on the dot. We're getting out by 830. And so the length of the Oscars really doesn't perturb anyone. But then if you are New Yorker or Eastward, you are up until the wee hours watching this very long ceremony and what I would call a very long season of campaigning. The length of it all, the Oscars
Starting point is 00:03:00 truly are a marathon. Yes, that's rule of culture number 57. Yes, the Oscars truly are a marathon. Yes. That's rule of culture number 57. Yes. The Oscars truly are a marathon. I did watch. I watched with a large group of people. And I will say that it was extremely loud at the party I was at. I could not hear a lot of what was happening, but certainly we stopped for some select speeches. We basked in Michelle Yeoh's glory, friend of the pod. It's incredible to say Michelle Yeoh has won an Academy Award making history and rightfully so.
Starting point is 00:03:35 I mean, come on. Come on. Let me just quickly backtrack. You said you were at a loud Oscars party. Yeah. This is actually going to be a requirement for me in future years no more than four people yeah no more than four people on oscar sunday because i need to
Starting point is 00:03:51 be watching because what happened last year at the oscars i was at a big party really hated it could not hear what was going on thank god i was home alone when the slap happened because i could just experience the shock for myself if If I had been in that room, it would have been chaos and I would not have been able to process. Yeah. Here we are. We're all trying to sit and bask in the glory.
Starting point is 00:04:11 I mean, look, was everyone like, we have to, have to, have to hear what Jimmy Kimmel has to say? No, but I want to hear what Jimmy Kimmel has to say. Absolutely. I want to see how he approaches hosting duties in this very opportune year for that show it felt like a year to really go back to basics go back to tradition embrace tradition even and reject modernity which it seems like people really liked again i say this as someone who did not watch
Starting point is 00:04:40 the actual show but i watched the monologue yeah perfectly fine monologue and perfectly fine is maybe what we need yeah i you do just miss the days though when you had someone like a billy crystal like a whoopi goldberg really holding it down like it was the reason i tuned in even as a kid i guess it's different now as like a movie ticket paying adults yeah yeah i mean i think that they were just so nervous after last year they had to keep it completely like this is going to be by the book. Even like, it just didn't feel like there was any, and I say this, I don't say this as a pejorative, but there was no edge to the monologue, which probably was good. We needed a light atmosphere. And I was curious how they were going to discuss the slap. I thought the slap part of the monologue was probably the strongest part. I love the panning around to the crowd. You know, everyone was involved, etc. And the jokes did work.
Starting point is 00:05:32 I mean, there were very few jokes that I thought didn't work. I mean, I think he kind of bailed on that joke about the women directors. As he was saying it. Like, yeah, kind of like his heart wasn't in it. But overall, I thought like, yeah, absolutely. Like we got off to the start. You know what I'm saying? Mm hmm.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I have to say, I am going to be very honest. Okay. I feel like I am in a takeless state of being right now. I have nothing to really offer. I am not really consuming much of the culture. I am not really forming opinions about much of the culture. And this is not fun topic of conversation. I'm like really, really, really spent. And it's not fun to talk about. Like, it's not interesting for me to talk about being tired. It's the least interesting thing for anyone to say. But this is like reaching a new level level and i'm sorry that i'm bringing this into the chat i i wish i had like a fun and excitement to bring during a time like
Starting point is 00:06:31 this when it's like a great oscars that like celebrated a lot of very populist movies and we had so many people to root for and that things kind of came out in a very nice deserving way in the end but yeah i am like empty mind well lucky for you i've had nothing but time and i have experienced much culture so maybe this episode is me saying things and you reacting at any any energy level you want to give but i love that because i have tons to say okay so uh the academy Everywhere, All at Once, pretty much swept. History making, the most Oscars above the line that we've had in the 95-year history of this ceremony were won by one film, Everything, Everywhere, All at Once.
Starting point is 00:07:17 And would you say that this is a historic time for people using the term above the line? I would say never before, and certainly in the last 24 hours, the words above the line have been used so many times. Some people even know what they're talking about when they're using the words above the line. Usually they don't. And I've heard above the line said so many times
Starting point is 00:07:38 in the last 24 hours as well. Yes, well, above the line Oscars meaning, you know, your best picture, your acting categories, your directing, you know, your screenplay categories. So we had everything everywhere all at once when best picture, best director for Daniels, best actress, Michelle Yeoh, best supporting actor, Ki-Hwa Kwon, best supporting actress, Jamie Lee Curtis, in a race that really upset some people. And I'm going to get into it. Best original screenplay in what was also a tight race.
Starting point is 00:08:07 And just on down the line, everything, everywhere, all at once, a film that we absolutely loved. That's right. And championed. That's right. Took it simply all the way home. Took it simply all the way home.
Starting point is 00:08:19 And it feels like everyone was really on board for all of its wins, except for best supporting actress yes i found this so interesting the first time ever in oscar's history that one single studio dominated won all the uh again above the line awards so with brendan frazier winning for the whale that means the a24 for the first time in oscar's history swept above the line categories now let's talk about this Jamie Lee Curtis thing. Well, before we get to Jamie Lee Curtis, I just want to say, if you put a gun to my head and said
Starting point is 00:08:50 I had to watch The Whale, I'd say pull the trigger. I won't do it. You cannot get me to watch The Whale. Whenever I see even a clip from The Whale, I am so deeply hurt, distressed, and offended by everything about it. And I'm not even just talking about the absolutely just macabre performance of- Of Sadie Sink. Just kidding. Yeah, of Sadie Sink. Exactly. It really hurts me. It hurts my heart and my spirit. The score that plays during every clip that they show, that movie looks so wild to me. And even though it is an Academy Award winning film, with a gun to my head, if you said watch The Whale, I'd say, mama, here, let me help you.
Starting point is 00:09:35 And we'd pull the trigger together. I will not watch it. I can't believe that's an Oscar winning movie more than once. You can read many pieces by Roxane Gay, Guy Branum. Many people have much more eloquent things than me to say about this, but just know I stand with everyone who is like, absolutely fucked that film. Never in my life, not even with a gun to my head, please pull the trigger. So that's what I have to say about The Whale. Did you see The Whale? I did not see The Whale. I share your sentiments. And so we can just sort of move on from The Whale, which is something I'm happy to do. Talking about this Jamie Lee Curtis of it all.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Now, when you watched Everything Everywhere All at Once, did you think, Jamie Lee Curtis, this is an Oscar contender, in your honest opinion? In my honest opinion, I will say, if you were to ask me after I saw the movie, or at any point after I saw the movie, between Jamie Lee Curtis and Stephanie Hsu, who is the bigger
Starting point is 00:10:32 Oscar contender? I think there was a very obvious answer there. And then even throw Carrie Condon in the mix and I would be like, oh, you know what? Maybe still Stephanie.
Starting point is 00:10:40 And biases aside, still Stephanie. That's all I'll say. I would agree. But it's not a new phenomenon to give actors a career Oscar for a film where they do a serviceable job. She's wonderful in the movie. Yeah. I would actually go as far as to say Jamie Lee
Starting point is 00:10:56 Curtis is extremely good in the movie. What I think is annoying about this weird backlash to Jamie Lee Curtis' win, which, by the way way if anyone's upset for stephanie shu do not be she is absolutely overjoyed and overwhelmed with gratitude and that i can guarantee you that was exactly the outcome that she wanted she wants nothing more than yes yeah key michelle and jamie to get their flowers and for that movie and the Daniels to get their flowers.
Starting point is 00:11:26 Like, do not cry for Stephanie Shue. She is way onto the best time of her life. But the thing about the Jamie Lee Curtis of it all is it's like, to pretend this was the worst career Oscar that they've ever given is so crazy to me. Absolutely not. When that Laura Dern marriage story win is in recent
Starting point is 00:11:46 memory. Yes. When fucking like, I'm sorry, even like Meryl Streep, Iron Lady. I'm like, why are we like, we're getting an Oscar for that? You know, like that kind of thing. This is totally fine. It's completely fine. Like, first of all, Jamie Lee Curtis as a function in the
Starting point is 00:12:02 movie, Everything, Everywhere, All at Once is hilarious. She is the villain. She works perfectly within the tone of that movie and they fucking love the movie. So we should have seen this coming after she won SAG. Either way, this was probably going to be a career Oscar given because like Angela Bassett and Black Panther Wakanda forever,
Starting point is 00:12:21 like is also amazing. She's fantastic in the movie, but no one left that movie thinking, and wow, that's Angela Bassett's Oscar. Either way, it was going to be one of these two iconic actresses was getting a career Oscar. They just happened to go with Jamie Lee because they were obsessed with that movie this year, rightfully so. And I understand the disappointment for Angela, but the thing is, I just don't get a hatred and vitriol for Jamie Lee Curtis when there are way worse career Oscars that have been given. Laura Dern essentially walked
Starting point is 00:12:59 onto that Marriage Story set and did Renata at a six and won an Oscar. Yeah, and I should say that I feel stupid and silly for bringing up Iron Lady because it was not in that category, but it's all the same. It's the same idea, right? Completely agree with you. I feel like
Starting point is 00:13:19 there was such a clear frontrunner going into that night that it was hard to pick villains. I mean, she was, I mean, Jamie Lee was sort of the most ready-made villain narrative to like, for people to sort of latch onto,
Starting point is 00:13:35 I think. And I don't think it's a coincidence, Bo, that in the year of the chic wind chimes on Beverly Hills housewives, I mean, that was a campaign move. When Jamie Lee Curtis went on Beverly Hills Housewives. I mean, that was a campaign move. When Jamie Lee Curtis went on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills
Starting point is 00:13:49 and absolutely blew Dorit away, you have to remember, these women... So chic. They have... That was FYC. When she brought in her... That was FYC.
Starting point is 00:13:59 My hand in yours, my paw in yours, her incredible product line to the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, that was the beginning of the campaign, and we should have known the Oscar was stamped with Jamie Lee Curtis' name from the beginning when she walked
Starting point is 00:14:15 into Kyle Richards' home and Dorit said the word chic, the race was over. When Dorit Kemsley says so chic, you're on the ballot, honey. It's actually rule of culture number 90. When Dorit Kemsley says, so chic, you're on the ballot, honey. It's actually rule of culture number 90. When Dorit Kemsley says, so chic, you're on the ballot, honey. Honestly, it's just bizarre.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Like, and I get it. Like Jamie Lee Curtis is such a, she's such a meme. She's such a, because of the trauma. This film is about trauma. This film is about trauma this film is about trauma but the fact is like she's out there busting her ass working hard and i'll tell you what i really respect that they never do is they never ever ever ever ever give awards for performances that are purely comedic purely genre and therefore in terms of a career oscar i think
Starting point is 00:15:03 this is a really fitting one for Jamie Lee Curtis because it was a genre performance. She has been one of the most iconic actresses in genre films for decades. And don't fucking talk to me about Jamie Lee Curtis winning this Oscar when you were rooting for Laura during the other day. Like, I mean the other day, the other year,
Starting point is 00:15:22 like, is it like, yeah, the other day and everyone was doing it the other day and literally like i feel like i have this discussion so much with other gay men like about the oscars that i'm like make it consistent you know what i'm saying 100 1000 i think it's pretty cool that a sci-fi film swept all these awards. I mean, very shallow assessment. Oh, but on the trauma, it's a movie about trauma note,
Starting point is 00:15:48 like this cast, like give it up for the campaign though on this. Like I think it's been 10, $10 million for the campaign, a lot of money, more than they've ever spent. But this group of people between the Daniels and this cast and everybody involved was able to find ways to talk about this movie as if it was their first time talking about it for
Starting point is 00:16:10 like yeah pretty much a year like a full calendar year oh yeah we had michelle on the show like pretty much right after the movie came out and then we had stephanie on months later and that was honestly before stephanie was like actually on the real radar for best supporting actress. Like I remember thinking like, oh, and that would be so cool if she got nominated. And then she started getting nominated for things. And I was like, wait, like this is a really big thing. It felt like the momentum kept picking up for not just the movie but for then the entire cast extended so honestly what are the better oscar campaigns i've seen and also remember this movie premiered literally
Starting point is 00:16:52 almost to the day a year before the oscars at south by southwest which i also think put south by southwest really on the map as a place where you can debut your film and it can go on to literally the highest heights. So there's something to these festivals really early in the year, word of mouth, studios investing in quality and in, yeah, sure, niche films, but investing in filmmakers and investing in vision and investing in talent that is very singular to these types of projects. Because this is one of those like once in a lifetime, once in a blue moon movies that only comes together with all these different singular talents. And then the campaign was run really fucking well. And there's no other Best Picture winner like it. Yeah, it's true. And so funny,
Starting point is 00:17:44 there was some write up about about the governor's ball after the show and they were keeping people anonymous but they were getting a lot of quotes of people you know irel but going like yeah yeah there just wasn't any surprise to like that movie sweeping and it is just kind of and then some fucking exact they didn't specify them by name, but some person was like, it's just kind of disappointing to see a year where so many huge blockbusters were nominated, like Avatar and Top Gun and them not take home any big prizes. And it's like, well, even if you take everything ever all at once out of the running, there's still no like clinched front runner in that, you know? Like, thank goodness for everything ever all at once being in the race this year. Yeah. I also think like, yeah, there's no surprise because the Oscar campaign, the Oscar season continues for so long and everything ever were all at once
Starting point is 00:18:37 had such a campaign and such a strong hold on voters minds and the public's minds that it felt like a blockbuster, like, you know, big juggernaut at the Oscars. But also, not for nothing, but had you said a year ago that the Oscars would have been owned by everything, everywhere, all at once, that would have been a huge shock. So it's just like, yeah, maybe on the night, it didn't feel like big surprises were happening and you were not entertained or whatever you wanted to feel during that three and a half hour show because you felt like you saw it coming. But to step back from it in a macro sense, it is a huge anomaly that something like Everything
Starting point is 00:19:20 Ever Were All At Once wins not only Best Picture, but that many Oscars. And is this historic of a moment? So that's just to me saying just how kind of lame people can be about like, kicking my feet about me not having a fun night. And less about like, you know, whether or not what should have happened, happened. That is ridiculous. And it's a different kind of shrug than Coda winning best picture last year. Right. People were like, wait, what?
Starting point is 00:19:47 Oh, okay. Like, this is more of a, hmm, interesting, peculiar, like, minimizing this crazy triumph. Right. Which I get that it's like, it's, at a this movie, a movie like this becomes easy to dunk on, I think. And easy. It's easy to dunk on it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:11 It is not like the intellectually interesting thing to do. I promise. Right. Not that I'm an intellectual, but I'm like, I really think that it's just like the reason it sustained this sort of importance throughout the campaign without it growing stale at any point was because it was a legitimately great movie
Starting point is 00:20:29 that got people to the theater to see it. Yep. That told a story about ordinariness being incredibly powerful and meaningful and beautiful. A thing that everyone can resonate with. A thing that, like, gets my immigrant mom to go see this this movie and cry. Like it's,
Starting point is 00:20:46 I think it's pretty major, whatever. You want to know what, there's so many narratives that are such winning, like feel good narratives about this. Like obviously like the history it makes for Michelle Yeoh, who again, like my rubric is always,
Starting point is 00:21:01 I've said it a million times. Like, could anyone else have done it? This literally no one else could have done it. Nobody else could have done it. And so for that, the family narrative, the queer narrative, which often gets lost in the discussion, I think, creatives and I think for the Oscars themselves, because even though these execs are saying whatever the fuck they're saying, like, this is an extremely cool movie to win Best Picture. It's not stodgy. It doesn't feel like
Starting point is 00:21:38 everything else. It totally breaks open what studios may invest in as a quote unquote Oscar film. You know what I mean? It's not like a biopic. It's not, it's never boring. In fact, if people have a complaint about it, is it that it's completely overwhelming? Over stimulating. Yeah. Yeah. And over stimulating, which is like, I mean, for a maximalist like me, like I fucking love. And to say nothing of the fact that it absolutely catapults our dear friend stephanie who now everyone in town knows who she is and she looked absolutely beautiful too god truly i mean just a radiant and beautiful person her whole life but uh it's like you said earlier nobody worry about her she is someone who i don't know anyone who has a healthier relationship to the artifice and the weird bizarre aspects of that business she just sees it for what it is
Starting point is 00:22:34 in such a fun yeah for lack of a better word like kooky way like she she's riding high on this and it's perfect it couldn't have happened to a better person. What I always like to do is I like to watch the announcement of the winners and the five boxes. Like, you know what I'm saying? That moment of euphoria that Steph like displayed when Jamie Lee one was 150% authentic.
Starting point is 00:22:58 I will say if one thing bummed me out, it's that Angela looked upset, was clearly hurt. You know what I mean she clearly thought maybe that was going to be her moment and the thing is it would have felt incredible had it been her moment and I completely understand disappointment but the fact is like so she doesn't win an academy award for Black Panther Wakanda forever you know what I mean like it wasn't the best performance of her career. Like it was an amazing performance. It would have been incredible to see her win,
Starting point is 00:23:28 but I genuinely do believe Angela Bassett's moment is coming. I really do. I don't know that Jamie Lee gets another like huge opportunity like that in such a weird specific thing that feels again, very Jamie Lee Curtis in a way whereas like you know with Angela like she was able to deliver like that extremely regal poignant there's like a leadership quality and obviously in her performance as the queen in Black Panther Wakanda Forever that I think is intrinsic in her there's so many things about that role that feel very Angela Bassett,
Starting point is 00:24:07 but there's also so much more that she can and will do. And I think especially now, so many people are going to be like, we have to write Angela Bassett's Oscar role. Like watching her sit there and not get it was a tough one, but I just don't believe that she will go without one.
Starting point is 00:24:23 I really do think her moment is coming, but I get the, I get the frustration about that. I really do. Totally. Totally. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up.
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Starting point is 00:27:00 or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Gaga. Gaga. She needed no introduction. Got the makeup off. Period. Said, give me the cleansing balm. I'm doing double cleanse before I go on stage.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Give me the micellar water. She said, house labs, makeup removers. Give me the house labs. And then she went on that stage in torn jeans and a big gray t-shirt. And look, she delivered.
Starting point is 00:27:35 At first I was like, oh, what is this? It was scary. You know what it was giving? It was giving, she's deep in Harley Quinn right now.
Starting point is 00:27:44 And I think she is. And I i think she is you could see in her eyes i was like there is something fucked up going on on the set of joker folio there is something deeply dark going on because first of all her first words being i wrote this song with my friend blood pop i was just like can you imagine not knowing who Blood Pop was and being in the audience? And like the camera cutting to Lady Gaga, who seconds before was in a full garment and makeup, now is looking wrecked on stage with her,
Starting point is 00:28:17 like a few members of a band. John Williams is sitting third row, hearing the name Blood Pop going, who? Johns is there and he has to know about blood pop engineer doug says looked great and killed it i agree doug i mean honestly too like i was also nervous in the beginning of the performance because she kept it in the basement for a long time like that was not right but that that's yeah but then she got up she went upstairs by the end
Starting point is 00:28:46 oh yeah she got up really did and then did you notice when Kimmel in the monologue like threw to her at some point
Starting point is 00:28:54 I mean I think they're friends like she's been on Kimmel a bunch of times and like I think they like each other a lot but there was a moment
Starting point is 00:28:59 where like she like turned on in a way that kind of over corrected I think she was being very in a way that kind of overcorrected i think she was being very present just having the kind of gaga mindfulness that she's been in for her whole life yep but like there's something different about this about it being you know joker mode literally and then she
Starting point is 00:29:17 kind of just like hey goodness like just like something kind of she's a laugh away from a tear right now she's a laugh away from a tear right now. She's a laugh away from a tear right now. And it's very interesting. I hope she's taking care of herself. We obviously are... There are no two people who love her more in the world than us. You know she's not taking care of herself, though. You know she's not. I thought Chromatica was going to change things.
Starting point is 00:29:40 I thought it would be Gaga by foot, too. And Chromatica were going to be, like, the sort of bloodletting moments whereica were going to be like the sort of bloodletting moments where she was going to be on the path to like healing and i do think she has done a lot of healing i just think she takes on these projects where she has to fucking self-immolate you know she has to like really fucking like suffer and you know that joaquin is not the best influence either because he also goes all the way hard in and so to think of the two of them doing joker and then even just the drama of her being
Starting point is 00:30:14 like i'm not performing and then the next day or two days later it'd be like no just kidding she is and we had been told she doesn't feel she can get it together for the performance and then them being like okay never mind she is and then the camera panning over to her looking the way she looked i wrote this song with my friend blood pop and even if you're broken inside you can be your own hero i was like is she about to crack you like, the alarms are sounding. I think it was a very smart move of her to really, you know, it would have been weird if she
Starting point is 00:30:52 had any production element to it. And so for her to be like, let's go all the way the other direction. I'm going to be in a t-shirt and jeans. I'm going to be basically sitting, kneeling in a squat, whatever, and then I'm going to stand up at the end that is the most action that's gonna happen on stage
Starting point is 00:31:08 that's the most blocking great move great idea truly very very very smart and I'm proud of our girl I'm proud of her I mean she ripped it up I will say it's just so funny that like when she was initially
Starting point is 00:31:24 nominated for hold my hand for Top Gun Maverick it's just so funny that like when she was initially nominated for hold my hand for top gun maverick it's such a big fucking movie and such a huge song that we were always like oh it's gonna be fighter jets it's gonna be parachutes it's gonna be wind machines and she came out there looking like Tiny Tim and she came out there barely able to stand and gave that performance that we were not positive she was going to make it through and it still
Starting point is 00:31:55 was a highlight and she never flops on that stage. No. She absolutely she crushed Sound of Music Till It Happens To You was a fucking moment.
Starting point is 00:32:05 Like, Shallow, that was a moment in culture. And this whole My Hand performance was unforgettable. She is four for four on delivering, like, and I love it. I mean, like, my friend was saying, like, what a thrilling career pivot, like, for her to go from the pop star that she is to like essentially like this fixture at the academy awards and you know you simply know that if joker folia do is good she'll be there again she'll be there again she'll perform a number from it which i'm sure she'll contribute something to the soundtrack it is a musical. Perhaps even nominated for Best Actress or Best Supporting Actress. I don't know how big her role will be.
Starting point is 00:32:49 But they fucking love her. We love watching her on the show. Lady Gaga is the Oscars. A couple things. I mean, remember that first time she did the Oscars doing Sound of Music? It was this like, oh, she's there? And it was in this rough patch in her career post art pop i think pre joanne it didn't seem right yeah there was not a lot of certainty you
Starting point is 00:33:12 weren't sure where it was going next right yep and then that was when like your grandpa was like i actually like that lady god she's she's got she can really sing yes and then from there just like built and built and builds and the second thing is with the joker folia being a musical thing um josh sharp has this great joke where he's told you right where his it's a it's a jukebox musical and he's like i think it would be actually so incredible if she and joaquin sing shallow if they If they both sing Shallow in Joker Fulia 2. Wouldn't that be amazing? I honestly can feel,
Starting point is 00:33:50 I mean, we've heard Joaquin sing in Walk the Line. That obviously sits right in his register. I really want to hear, not just Lady Gaga, but Harley Quinn sing as Ally. Yes. I mean, this is meta on meta on meta, and it's film greatness.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Engineer Doug says, her performance was a very rock and roll moment. Yes. Strip it all back. The danger was present. No glitz, no glam, no maximalism, not even for Top Gun Maverick. The winner of Best Sound. Yes. She just gave it to you.
Starting point is 00:34:22 That Not Too Not Too performance was amazing incredible electrifying yeah congrats i mean have you seen rr i have not but i really want to i've been meaning to and that fucking if that performance was not oh no wait what's han saying what oh han said not a single south asian on stage for not Not Too Not Too? Okay. Hans, explain more. You can't just drop this. What, Hans? Hans wants to come on.
Starting point is 00:34:54 Come on, Hans, because we're not able to speak to this. Hi, folks. Hi. Hi. Okay, so explain what's going on. Yeah, sorry. I didn't want to derail the love fest for Nata Nata because it's an incredible song, a deserving award winner. But I have seen, and obviously the people in the crowd and the audience were like electrified, enthused and loved that performance.
Starting point is 00:35:27 But I gotta say, my wife and I, who are South Asian dancers from back in college and have like plenty of South Asian dancer friends we just sat there like kind of confused the whole time looking at these faces who appeared to be some form of people of color but we're like are these people South Asian did they just outsource this to like a local Los Angeles dance company to just like recreate the dance from the movie and I don't know for a fact that there were no South Asians on stage but reading a little bit about it afterwards and just sitting there confused we were just like how could they do this but of course the Oscars of any body yeah would do something like that it does appear that they hired napoleon and tabitha who i know from so you think you can dance to who yes i guess choreographed the performance i don't know but it was it was literally just like the dance from the movie which is an amazing dance totally and
Starting point is 00:36:17 i should add it's not just that i like i'm a south asian person who wanted to see people who look like me doing this dance, although that's important. But yeah, it betrays the entire point of the song in the movie, which is that there's these two Indian guys at an all white party who are being like teased and ridiculed for being different and for not knowing how to dance. And these white guys are like, do you know how to dance also? Do you know how to dance flamenco? And they're like, no, but here's how we can out dance all of you. And then they bust out. It's like the most incredible dancing you've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:36:52 It's uniquely Indian dancing performed by two Indian guys to put all these white people to shame. So when you fail to cast South Asian people on stage, you're like missing the entire point of the movie and the performance on the song. So it's just kind of ridiculous. Yeah, this this IndieWire article that you've sent us says a representative for the Academy of Muslim Picture Art and Sciences, when asked about the background of the performances, dancers told IndieWire that it was quote, incorrect that there were few, if any South Asian artists and the performance,
Starting point is 00:37:26 though they did not provide further information when asked for clarification. And I got to say like just the dancing on stage, that is an impossible dance to do in one take. Like when you watch the movie, it's incredible. It's highly edited. And I think I had seen an interview with SS Roger Malieva,
Starting point is 00:37:45 where he was like, yeah, there's just no way. That dance is so high energy. There's no way you can pull it off. But I think the framing of that performance as, let's try to do the impossible, was probably never the right way to handle it. And it was just a bummer. I think that every other song performance had some level of production.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Everything Everywhere All At Once song, incredibly staged and performed. R, like lifted into the sky. And then not to not do was like, they just put a picture of that palace in the background on the screens. And then I have like people dancing. So anyway, not to, uh, not to disrupt the love vest, love the song, love the choreography. I think South Asian dance is just like so good that even a mediocre version of it is really impressive, especially to like, you know, non-Indian people who've never seen something like that before.
Starting point is 00:38:33 And they weren't like bad. They just didn't hold a candle to what it could have been. Right. So I think that people are like rightfully blown away, but couldn't on this platform of all platforms, you know, not at least talk about it. Of course, of course.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Thank you for letting us know. No, I'm happy that you did because honestly, I would never have known that. I don't feel like it's that sinister and insidious of like, the audience is too dumb to notice. To me, it just feels like,
Starting point is 00:39:01 one, I'm sure there's not a South Asian person involved in the production of the songs specifically or somebody who was in a position to say like hey maybe we should consider this i think they probably thought they hired great choreographers yeah nappy tabs like legitimately are incredible like some of the best in the biz they're just not the right ones for that and i think that when you're in a machine that moves as fast as the Oscars does, there's probably just not somebody to say,
Starting point is 00:39:31 hey, hold up, let's like rethink this part of it. And I should say like, testament to how incredible the song and the dancing is, that even an underwhelming version of it elicits the response that it did like the first standing ovation i think like people just out of their seats enthused electrified like there was nothing fake about that no i mean watching watching at home i was like that was an unbelievable performance i mean like i you never i would never have thought anything and i have not seen that movie yet but um everyone that has seen it was simply like even with all the stars that they had nominated in that category and it's not always in a situation where best original song has rihanna and lady gaga both nominated and they
Starting point is 00:40:16 have the opportunity to have one of those women on stage accepting an oscar which is a moment in and of itself and a reason to bring in people watching it seemed like it was unanimous amongst everyone predicting it and voting for it that not to not do was the deserving winner and so yeah that is disappointed for them to have not like come through exactly on the performance but i will say as a viewer i enjoyed it thoroughly and made me very excited to see the movie which you you have every right to, and that's honestly what it's all about. It's like, does it make you fall in love? Does it make you want to go appreciate this movie?
Starting point is 00:40:52 So, thank you guys for giving me the chance to talk about it. Of course. Thank you for talking about it. Thank you for coming on. And we celebrate you. And this is, we've always said, more of a Howard Stern-esque podcast than anyone knows. In that we have people come in and sort of pop in.
Starting point is 00:41:09 Not in that we have naked women coming in and seeing who can get tickled the longest. Which one of us is the Robin, then? I'm the Robin, 1000%. No, you guys are both Howard. No, we're both Howard. No, no, I'm not. I am not. I have not, for the past two years been giving any
Starting point is 00:41:28 energy besides robin matt says something amazing funny every other breath and i'm in the back going wow yeah i'm going really i'm i'm robin no i and i'm sorry this is i it's so boring for me to complain about how tired I am. And it's not fun to root for me and be like, hang in there, Bo. But it is tough. It is tough right now for your old friend. Well, you are tiring. You are tired for really good reasons. I am tiring. I am tiring.
Starting point is 00:42:00 You are both tiring and tired for really good reasons. I'll say that. I was also going to say Rihanna performed. Her and her pregnancy hormones were very, very, very present so she could deliver the vocals. Yes, yes, absolutely. I'm bad Navy. I did not it that performance it's about one quarter of a song and so i think it's fine that you didn't i said if that song was any better at all if lift me up was any more of a song than it is she would have walked away with that award but the thing is it really is i mean and she admitted it's a lullaby sure i guess I didn't know that the whole Malala moment happened while they were setting up
Starting point is 00:42:48 the set for Lift Me Up. And I guess Jimmy caught a little bit of flack for that. I thought she handled it great. I thought she looked amazing. She looked stunned. She looked incredible. Malala may have been best dressed
Starting point is 00:43:03 at the Academy Awards. And sometimes that just happens. Sometimes Malala Malala may have been best dressed at the Academy Awards and sometimes that just happens sometimes Malala shows up at the function and she is best dressed yes you always always
Starting point is 00:43:13 always run that risk that's right the Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her?
Starting point is 00:43:31 But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City. All new Tuesdays at 9. You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate
Starting point is 00:44:21 delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ,
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Starting point is 00:45:35 Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I saw so much Broadway. I'm so happy to hear more. Yes, I need to hear all your opinions about Broadway. I have to say i saw what is it
Starting point is 00:46:06 one two three four yeah okay so get this after sizza which was incredible i then saw jessica chastain in a doll's house the day we recorded last week's episode and then by the way it was an amazing moment when jessica chastain and hallie berry handed michelle yo the oscar and then the three of them arm in arm left the stage. And that image was like, wow, gorgeous, stunning. It's not necessarily representative of the best actress winners of all time, but it was representative of, I hope, what the future can look like. And I thought that was a beautiful image.
Starting point is 00:46:38 The three of them arm in arm walking off. I thought that was wonderful. But I just wanted to say that I saw Jessica Chastain in a doll's house on Broadway, and I have thoughts and a review. I really, I've never seen a dollhouse performed live. This was very minimalist. It's literally just the actors in navy blue clothing on stage and rotating chairs that move about the stage. That's really the only like stunt that the show does until the end, which I won't spoil, but it's really just like a genuine showcase for Jessica Chastain's acting.
Starting point is 00:47:11 Love it. There's no props. There's no sets. She is absolutely unreal. If this isn't a Tony win, then I don't know anything because this is like, she's literally faced out to the audience pretty much the entire time like even when she's speaking with the other actors she's rarely facing the
Starting point is 00:47:31 other actors she's really giving it out and just to watch her shifts her control her focus it's really and by the way no audience has ever coughed more during a production than this production of A Doll's House that I was at. I don't know what it is about. It was just like everyone who was sick in the world was at this theater. And I really have to commend all the actors, but especially Jessica, who holds the center. It didn't deter her at all also seconds into the like not not seconds minutes into the performance i was at someone from the audience had to scream for help for a doctor and there was a huge problem and someone was escorted out it was
Starting point is 00:48:17 like a really intense moment and they started from the top, no. And they did the whole thing again. And Jessica was just perfect. I mean, I just have to say, I saw this in the final week of her reign as Best Actress. And I think it's so cool that what she decided to do in her year, when she has pretty much any choice in the world, huge, huge, huge actress, and in her best actress moment,
Starting point is 00:48:47 decided to do this type of production of A Doll's House. It just was such a flex. And if you can go see Jessica Chastain in A Doll's House, you really should if you're a theater person. And sip some Delsim before you go in. Try not to cough, please. It's really giving cough drops necessary or just wait
Starting point is 00:49:07 till you feel better to go because I'm telling you, Bowen, every five seconds. No. No. No. That happened to me in Chicago. Everyone's coughing in Broadway now. It's a lot. It's not a
Starting point is 00:49:23 COVID thing for me necessarily. It's just like, stop that. Maybe just bring in like a water bottle or something. And here's the thing too. This actually is true. Usually if you feel like you need to cough, you can just take a sip of water. Usually.
Starting point is 00:49:38 Yes. Rule of culture. What number is that? 1,000. It's rule of culture number 1,000. Usually, if you need to cough, you can just take a sip of water. Okay, so A Doll's House.
Starting point is 00:49:53 That was fabulous. A Doll's House, I give a 9 out of 10. Amazing. And there's a stunt that happens at the end that I won't ruin, which made the audience gasp. Oh my God. Then, on Tuesday,
Starting point is 00:50:06 I went to go see Sweeney Todd on Broadway with Annalee Ashford and Josh Groban now this show is still in previews and I think what I saw felt like a preview okay so I am going to be withholding my review of Sweeney Todd until I see it again. And I have already bought my tickets for April. I don't want to ring off any alarm bells about Sweeney Todd. I think that this production is going to get there, but I'm going to go again in April so that I can be, I think, very sure about what I say. That's what I'll say about that. But there's a lot to like. And you did say something in the Marlon Mandela episode. What what I say. That's what I'll say about that. But there's a lot to like. And you did say something in the Marlon Mandela episode.
Starting point is 00:50:48 What did I say? You had heard that it was Annalie Ashford's show. That it's her show. And she is fucking hilarious. I'll say that. Like, she... You know what it's giving?
Starting point is 00:50:58 The choice is kind of giving, like, Goldie Hawn as Mrs. Lovett. Interesting. And I didn't know, based on when it started started how much i would like that choice and i think it was the right choice for her okay there's just things about the production that i think still need to like i think they're still working out sound and stuff and and so like i'm just waiting until i got a ticket that's a little bit closer to the stage
Starting point is 00:51:20 until i can really like soak in it because it's, Sweeney Todd is my favorite show of all time. And I just want to make sure that I've seen what the production truly is before I give a review. So I'm being, I'm withholding on that. Yeah. But stay tuned. Stay tuned.
Starting point is 00:51:35 Yeah. Okay. Review incoming. Wednesday, I saw Ben Platt in Parade. This was a 10 out of 10. Wow. He is like a weapon in terms of like musical theater performance he is such an incredibly gifted actor i and i actually had never seen ben platt perform live weirdly
Starting point is 00:51:59 enough even though he's a friend of ours and there were ample chances to see him in zero evan hansen back in the day. I just never low-key had the money to go see it. Me either. And it was always sold out. I never could go. So being able to see him live was incredible. Parade, if you all don't know out there,
Starting point is 00:52:16 is a musical. It's a Jason Robert Brown musical about the trial, conviction, and hanging of Leo Frank, who many historians believe was incorrectly and unjustly tried for and hung for the crime of murdering a 13-year-old factory girl in Atlanta. It deals with issues of anti-Semitism. It deals with issues of race. The music is absolutely beautiful. It's just a really stirring show that I cannot recommend enough. Michaela Diamond, who plays Leo Frank's wife, Lucille, is also fantastic. It's just,
Starting point is 00:52:54 you got to go see this one. It's really good. I think a contender for best revival and Ben should absolutely be up there for best actor in a musical. I mean, his voice is fucking crazy Bowen. It's like, we all know he can sing and belt to fucking high hell, but there's moments where he goes into his lower register that I had. I was looking over at, like I saw it with George Tavares, Dave Mazzoni and Patrick Rogers.
Starting point is 00:53:19 And we were looking at each other like, how it's just like, some people just are able to do things vocally that others are just not. It's wild. Happy for him. And then, finally, I saw Camelot on Friday. It was, I think, the second performance of Camelot
Starting point is 00:53:36 at the Vivian Beaumont and Lincoln Center. It was a set. Pippa Sue is incredible. Taylor Trench is incredible. This show needs to cut time out of it. It just is too long. Act 1 was an hour and 45 minutes? Yeah, the show started
Starting point is 00:53:52 at 8. I did look down at my watch at the end of Act 1 and it was 9.46. So again, they're also in previews and I think some attention should be focused on getting it trimmed up you know what i mean like just getting it to move just because it really is long it's a new book by aaron sorkin
Starting point is 00:54:10 um which may have something to do with that i certainly was laughing at a lot of it but i wonder if we could be getting through it quicker sure and then i saw betty who on saturday night and she fucking ate it up at Hammerstein Ballroom. Incredible performers, dancing, choreo the whole time. Vocals sounded amazing. We love you, Betty. We had an amazing time. And then I went to go see my sister at Saturday Night Live.
Starting point is 00:54:37 So what a week for me, I think. I'm so, so, so happy that you had this rich week, truly. And it was exactly what? What? No, I know. I can tell you need some culture. It's really bad. It's really bad right now.
Starting point is 00:54:54 It's dark. If I think too long about it, I start to really go to a bad place and we will not get into it any further. But I really do think that this is exactly what the doctor ordered for my sister. You have a lot of life to think about. You have a lot of the world and history to think about. You have music to think about. So many things stimulating you. And you are someone who takes that in and processes it in the best way. It comes out as something very cogent and thoughtful.
Starting point is 00:55:26 And I always love hearing you talk about it. I know the readers feel the same way. Well, it's been medicine. Yes. Let's just say that. But don't worry, Bob, because I'm taking you to Disney World. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:55:38 I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I need it so badly. I can't believe that I'm going to get to be there when you do Rise of the Resistance and this Guardians rollercoaster for the first time and that you and I are both going to do Tron. I'm going to be there when you do Tron for the first time
Starting point is 00:55:54 since I've done it already. Oh yeah, you've done it in China. I've done it in Shanghai. I remember it like it was yesterday. Yang and I waiting at the gates of Shanghai Disney before opening. As soon as it opens, a bum rush of hundreds of people running to the Tron ride. I've never run faster in my life.
Starting point is 00:56:14 Yang and I bolting to Tron. And we were one of the first people to make it there. And it was one of the most thrilling experiences of my life. A perfect coaster. I am so beyond excited because to think about riding this roller coaster like a damn Tron motorcycle, face
Starting point is 00:56:31 first. To have the thing fasten you and press down on you from the back. Hit it from the back. Why don't you? I literally, I, here's the thing. I know it's the Magic Kingdom, but I'm going to feel very sexual on the ride. Your back is going to be arched, cocky. Your back is going to be arched. Cock kicks out.
Starting point is 00:56:46 You are going to be primed. Oh my God. It's going to be sniffies up in here. I'm going to be primed. People are going to be ass up. Like sniffies. The visuals. Yeah, the visuals.
Starting point is 00:56:55 Oh my God. The visuals inside of Tron. Inside and outside. Don't forget outside of Tron, because guess what? You're going outside for a little bit. I'm so excited. It's giving. You are going outside for a little bit. I'm so excited. It's giving. You are going to absolutely gag for Guardians 2.
Starting point is 00:57:08 And Rise of the Resistance, forget it, Bowen. Oh my god, the way we're about to get captured and taken to another planet, and then the way we're about to escape, it's... Honey, pack the edibles. Honey, Kylo Ren, I know that one. I know that girl. I've stared that girl in the face, literally. Well, she's coming for you.
Starting point is 00:57:24 She's coming. Well, guess what? I was cut out girl in the face, literally. Well, she's coming for you. She's coming. Well, guess what? I was cut out of white noise. Fun fact. Yeah. And Mr. Driver himself was catching up with me about life. And I was like, that's Kylo Ren over there. I'm not scared of him.
Starting point is 00:57:37 It really is Kylo Ren. I'm not scared of him. You know, one of the great phenomenons of 2023 so far has been everyone rewatching Girls. And I, um... Oh my God, literally. It's so crazy now to think of Adam from Girls as being Kylo Ren. Like, to understand that that was his... Introduction, debut.
Starting point is 00:57:58 What catapulted him into the stratosphere was as the weirdest fuckboy in Greenpoint. And now he's kylo ren the pilot really does hold up so incredibly well it does for hannesler first lines to be i'm a growing girl perfect i know it's like on the nose maybe but like actually works perfectly as she's stuffing her mouth eating with her parents i'm a growing girl you eat it like they're gonna take it away from you perfect first lines of that show and then oh my god the beach house episode beach house yeah i mean there's a line in that episode that is often overlooked it's where um andrew rannells's boyfriend talking to lena talking to hannah oh yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes, yes, yes. The writer. The writer, but he's like,
Starting point is 00:58:45 but they're having a good time. And then he goes, oh, you remind me so much of my friend Kayla. She's such a dilettante. I think that's such a funny line. She is such a, like, she's so wild. She is such a dilettante. And then Hannah's reaction,
Starting point is 00:59:01 Lena giving perfect, perfect response to it, which is like, oh, that's so funny. Or like something to that effect. Like, it's so good. Just that little, I mean, she can write a fucking TV show or movie, whatever. Yeah, unfortunately for haters, the show is actually better now than it was then. Agreed. Like, it is, because now, now it's this weird, like, period piece.
Starting point is 00:59:25 You know what I mean? Now it's this weird, like, time capsule of the 2010s. And especially, like, you know, now being in your 30s, watching it,
Starting point is 00:59:33 watching people in their, you know, early to mid-20s, and, like, the things that really frustrated me and annoyed me at the time, now I watch and I'm like,
Starting point is 00:59:43 yep. Because you recognize it in yourself. You would say that for attention. You would do that. You would get into this fight. You would not be able to stop yourself from doing this. Like, it's just really,
Starting point is 00:59:57 for someone who was just barely older than that age, she was able to capture what it means to be that age from like an all-seeing perspective that is to be applauded i mean it is a really worthy rewatch especially if like you know you're someone who's from new york or was living in new york at that time or understands the idiosyncrasies of like brooklyn and manhattan it's just so yeah even the stuff about like liberal arts college
Starting point is 01:00:24 you know what i mean like all of it it's just completely... Yeah. Even the stuff about liberal arts college, you know what I mean? Like, all of it. It's just... Completely. When you get on that attraction in Walt Disney World and see just how far Adam Driver was come to being an audio-animatronic villain in many scenes of an attraction that is groundbreaking, Bowen, I'm excited for you. I'm very excited.
Starting point is 01:00:40 In this moment, I'm most excited to do Expedition Everest again. It's been many years since I've done that. Really good. One of my favorite rides of all time. Truly, when you see Miss Thing, it is a gag. When you see Miss Thing, it is a hairy gag. It's a hairy gag. It is a scary gag.
Starting point is 01:01:00 And it is a contrary gag. If you thought you were going to have a bad time and the drinks at Nepal the drinks in the animal kingdom in that section delicious drinks delicious cocktails they turn all the way up honestly I'm so excited to go just indulge with my sister
Starting point is 01:01:20 and also I'm going to get you on the Velocicoaster starring BD starring BD Bradley darrell oh my god i'm so excited though and you're gonna get your life on that i've said this before i'll say it again i need this cannot come soon enough that is the the only thing that is giving me hope otherwise i have been in a state of learned hopelessness as my therapist calls it learned hopelessness yeah that is it's a very severe term it's like a term
Starting point is 01:01:45 that's like more applied to like people in like really shitty situations yes like an abusive relationship it's not quite that
Starting point is 01:01:53 but I am sort of like completely distorted by work and can only identify through work and I know it's like
Starting point is 01:02:02 a rom-commy cliche to be like I'm a workaholic but i hate it you saw me yeah you saw me on saturday the symbolic thing in this is that like i can't even have a therapy session without it being interrupted by something work-related like my last five therapy sessions have either been canceled because of a work emergency or um during during the session something's come up where it's like hey we need you now and i'm like this is indicative of the whole thing like designated protected time where
Starting point is 01:02:38 i'm supposed to like examine things yeah um are not respected. And it feels like it's getting bucked. Yeah. Yeah. So like, I just constantly feel like I have to like sigh and it's, you know what Bowen, I think you have to like,
Starting point is 01:02:57 and something I've done is like, I've actually, and I, I'm not saying you haven't done this or, or that it's not a lot more difficult for you, but I draw a hard boundary now. Like I keep my therapy appointments and I keep them. And if something pops up and they're like, oh, could you potentially do it now? I just say, I have therapy at that time. No, I cannot move it. And I understand that that might be more difficult for you because you are a, while an
Starting point is 01:03:22 extremely crucial and important part of a machine, you are a cognitive machine. And I understand that sometimes it feels like that. And it feels like you're being handed a decision instead of being consulted on a decision. But your time for your literal mental workout and your emotional workout is really fucking important. Really fucking important. Really fucking important. And I know that you say that, but I wonder if you know that and if you could draw a harder boundary. And I don't
Starting point is 01:03:52 say that as like instructive. I just think it's that important. Yeah. Can I share the one thing in culture that I am actually enthused about because I was able to consume it. Yes. Was Kunk on Earth. It is Kunk on Earth. It is a perfect- Oh, yes, you were talking about this. Perfect viewing experience.
Starting point is 01:04:13 Here's why. Only five episodes. Every episode under 30 minutes. You can watch it in a day. Yes. And it is, every joke is landing. Every joke is the stupidest joke you've ever it in a day. Yes. And it is, every joke is landing. Every, every joke is the stupidest joke you've ever heard in your life.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Delivered by Diane Morgan, who is truly giving you a tour de force in comedy and in commitment and in just parodying all these conventions in mockumentaries in series about human history, civilization, anthropology, whatever. Matt, you will will be obsessed you have to watch this kunk on earth how do i watch it how do the readers watch the readers can watch it on netflix uh if you're in the uk it's on bbc you might already know there's there was a series called kunk on britain this um woman named philomena kunk who is a fictional
Starting point is 01:05:03 character played by Diane Morgan, interviews professors, experts, asks them the stupidest questions you can possibly imagine. She does one on American history. There's an episode on American history after the Industrial Revolution. She talks about the Civil War in America, and then she talks about Lincoln,
Starting point is 01:05:20 and then she sets up Lincoln's assassination as... Let me try to quote it. She goes, Unfortunately for Abraham Lincoln, only five days after the north declared victory he suffered a terrible tragedy by being forced to go to the theater to watch a play um a kindly gunman put him out of his misery but cruelly not until the third act like so stupid like she's she's delivering it and like i'm not doing it justice but she is every. Like she's, she's delivering it. And like, I'm not doing it justice, but she is every, the way she is delivering all these things is perfect. You will love it.
Starting point is 01:05:51 All readers. I'm sure readers are already ahead of me on this, but kunk on earth is wonderful, wonderful, wonderful viewing healing. I'm going to watch it. And by the next episode, I'll have kunk on earth thoughts.
Starting point is 01:06:01 Cause I, I immediately respond to the name Philomena Kong. I have to tell you that. It's perfect. It's just the kind of comedy that you miss. Maybe a fun companion piece to History of the World Part 2, which I'm also excited to watch.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Yes. Yes, I'm excited too. I'm in it. Blink and you miss it. Really? Blink and you truly miss it. I'm in it. I'm in History of the World Part 2. Oh my god, I love that. I'm in a scene with Adam Pally. Oh, I love. I'm in it. I'm in History of the World Part 2. Oh my God, I love that. I'm in a scene with Adam Pally. Oh, I love. I had a line and I heard that they cut it,
Starting point is 01:06:30 but that's okay. Oh no. I don't think so, honey. Mel Brooks. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends.
Starting point is 01:06:49 Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City, all new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty
Starting point is 01:07:11 and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations.
Starting point is 01:07:32 I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. And the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero
Starting point is 01:07:49 accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and Basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom, and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day.
Starting point is 01:08:32 See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the I heart radio app,
Starting point is 01:09:05 Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast presented by elf beauty, founding partner of I heart women's sports. Speaking of, I don't think so, honey, I think it's time to transition into that segment, which Bowen does.
Starting point is 01:09:22 You and I both know is our 60second segment where we rant on something in culture that absolutely needs a pulling down from the perch on which it rests. And I have something. It is Oscars related. This sort of being the Oscars episode of Lost Culture 2023. Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now. I don't think so, honey. James Cameron and Tom Cruise not attending the Oscars
Starting point is 01:09:45 because they didn't receive individual nominations for their films they produced that were nominated for Best Picture. I completely agree with Jimmy Kimmel. I don't think so, honey, this idea that you're like, go to the theater, go to the theater, go to the theater. And then on the one night of the year where it's the biggest night in Hollywood
Starting point is 01:10:03 and you're supposed to celebrate theater, you don't show up because your ego is butthurt that you didn't get a nomination. Fucking God forbid you don't make a top five list, Tom Cruise, for your performance as Tom Cruise in Top Gun Maverick. What exactly did you do to merit a nomination over someone like Paul Mesko, who's fucking moving and brilliant. And also not for nothing, but a new movie star. Doesn't this help the cause? I guess not because nothing matters but you, James Cameron. I believe in the way of water and I believe in the seed bearer, but I don't believe in your lack of attendance at the Academy Awards. It's hypocritical and I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Like, it's stupid.
Starting point is 01:10:46 And the thing is, you are nominated, James Cameron. You are a producer on Avatar The Way of Water. So you're nominated. Show up. It's just so transparent. And Tom Cruise as well, a producer of Top Gun Maverick,
Starting point is 01:10:58 you did get a nomination. Like, that is how sensitive you are? Ew. The night is about showing up. Literally, the night is about showing up literally at the night is about being there yeah and you're not there and everyone else is showing up like tons of people were there that were snubbed like not everyone is gonna win like angela bassett lost her category she didn't leave right afterwards she could have you know what i mean like give me a fucking break as also as if you haven't been like lauded enough.
Starting point is 01:11:27 Come on. It's just stupid. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And in a world where it is even a little bit fixed, like you don't think that your lack of attendance isn't also hurting the movie. Like, I don't know. Maybe if Tom Cruise fucking shows up at the Oscars, maybe like in a world where like the whole thing is fake, Top Gun Maverick does win Best Picture, but you wouldn't know and it didn't happen because you didn't come but luckily nicole kidman was there giving the performance of a lifetime on the red carpet there's just some sometimes people do
Starting point is 01:11:57 certain things and you're like oh that's how a movie star acts like a little bit crazy i'm gonna send you right after this someone dubbed uh the sounds they thought she may have been making on the red carpet and it's a lot of this. It's just so funny because what she's doing is so insane. Anyway, it's about showing up. You're right. We can't blame them. We can't blame these people
Starting point is 01:12:23 for looking a little weird behaving a little weirdly when there are like a million cameras pointing at them but i totally but i love kind of laughing at people acting weirdly in any situation i love laughing at people acting weirdly and but here's the thing it's not nicole that is funny it's the situation that is funny and it's her galvanization and her her sense of at homeness on the red carpet which to me is like oh yeah that's what makes a movie star that little part of you that's insane that knows how to do that on a red carpet and confidently can do that thing where you turn around and look over your shoulder and find the cameras like on a place where you are not performing
Starting point is 01:13:06 necessarily but posing it is that meeting of model and movie star and like award show opportunist that is perfectly combined in that moment like you know who else does it fucking zendaya zendaya hits the carpet and it's like a performance on the red carpet. And she steps away and then is Zendaya a human? But she transcends being a human in that moment. And only so many people can leave their body enough to not just dissociate on a red carpet, which I know what it's like to do. And I feel like I've seen you do. And I've definitely seen like Joel Kim do that moment where you get on the red carpet
Starting point is 01:13:42 and you sort of leave your body to be there for a photo. These people are like actively being photographed. Yeah. Yeah. And they are kind of going the opposite way and be, and they are a kind of extra present as in like, yeah. Hyper present. Yeah. Yes. Bowen Yang. Do you have an I don't think so, honey? Okay. Here is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The tap water not being cold. I need the tap water to be cold as ice if it's going to go in my water bottle.
Starting point is 01:14:18 If the tap water is tepid, I'm not drinking it. If the tap water is warm, honey, make it a little hotter so i can drink some tea but i the only water that's going down my gullet is ice cold water and that is a preference of mine that i think has done me right has done me well has not done me wrong yeah i think i think the whole world could benefit from drinking ice cold tap water 15 seconds and i gotta tell you the uk or at least the standard hotel in the uk in london at king's cross does not have acceptably cold tap water and it means i have to ask room service to send me ice so that I can put still water in it. And that's one minute. And you know what? At least there's a fix,
Starting point is 01:15:11 which is ice, which is easy to get worldwide. But the thing is when the tap water is a little too warm, here's the thing. I know you metabolize it quicker and therefore you hydrate quicker. I don't care. I just prefer cold. I prefer cold, but I prefer cold. I need to feel refreshed. And in the only way I can feel refreshed on a somatic psychosomatic level, my mind thinks I feel refreshed.
Starting point is 01:15:35 If it's cold, if my body registers it as, wow, this is a cold drink that you would have at any restaurant. 100%. I think we need to take this out on a high note, literally. And we do finish every episode with a song, Bo. And I'm reaching out to you
Starting point is 01:15:55 and I know what you see I'm reaching out to you with. And we end every episode with a song. Hold my hand Promise that we will be okay I heard from the heavens We're singing it so much higher than she did. Clouds have been gray Hold me close
Starting point is 01:16:17 Lift me up I bet you didn't think it was a mashup. Oh my God. Hold me down. Do you even know the song? I've only listened to it once. Keep me safe. One time.
Starting point is 01:16:33 One time. Safe and sound. Fuck me in the highest place. Making up words. Slay me when you go off, king. Lift
Starting point is 01:16:49 me up. I'm looking at my sister. Bo and Yang. Amazing. Thank you, my sister. I dedicated that one to you. Thank you, girl. I love you. Love you. Thank you, girl. I love you. Love you. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida.
Starting point is 01:17:24 And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had.
Starting point is 01:17:56 We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional's biggest artists. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:18:15 Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times,
Starting point is 01:18:36 from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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