Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Public Apology" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: August 24, 2022

With Summer slipping away, Matt & Bowen get tactile to embrace and discuss culture. The girls make some much needed apologies (and accusations) before swearing to never apologize again, clarify their love of Beyoncé's Renaissance for all you Kayteighs out there with doubts, and get into it about therapy. Also, Matt & Bowen reveal some of their Emmy votes, stan Brandy, discuss RHOBH and the recent weaponization of Lisa Rinna's grief, and examine Kathy Hilton's recent and (rumored) upcoming transgressions. All that, the recent Hollywood Reporter cover story on Wendy Williams, a strong case against homeopathy, how Fantine was actually Homeless AND Toothless, what happens when gorgeous nieces emerge from their terrible twos, and an absolute Stephen Sondheim lovefest as our hosts gush over Broadway's Into The Woods and examine what happens when Sondheim's work is adapted to film. Where do you stand in the war of bidets vs. flushable wipes? What would you order between the sizzling chicken shrimp and the watermelon feta salad? Are *you* Sorry? Check this episode out, Kayteighs! Or, readers! Or, publicists! We'll figure it out...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, Matt. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow.

Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling, and you're sort of joining us mid-discussion. Bowen, what were you just saying about summer? Well, first of all, can we get tactile? Let's get tactile. Because we're in the same place. We're in the same place.

We're touching. And we're loving this place. We love Engineer Kathleen, who, by the way, has a Grammy. She's a Grammy winner. She's a Grammy winner. And not to be confused with the two Grammys that are sitting on her desk over there. There's two Grammys over there. They're not even hers. She said to us, mine's at home, not to be confused with the two Grammys that are sitting on her desk over there. There's two Grammys over there. They're not even hers.

She said to us, mine's at home, not to brag. And I was like, no brag. No brag. If I ever win a Grammy, forget it. Forget it. Every conversation I'm starting, my Grammy's at home. Not to brag. Not to brag.

But to brag. Okay, well, we were in discussion on something. First, let me quickly say that I am still glowing. You know when you're an audience member and you glow from a performance, I'm still glowing from one of the preliminary shows for, have you heard of Christmas? Matt's Christmas special. That's going to be,

I can't say, I can't say, okay, we'll cut that. We're going to beep. We're going to bleep it out. We're going to bleep it out. Um,

I saw Matt's show at Joe's pub. I'm doing the show. We can't necessarily say explicitly what it is in detail, but if you follow context clues, you can understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been working on a project. The Katie's are sleuths, after all. And I just, you were fantastic, man.

Thank you. I was thinking about it this morning. And Bowen Yang flew up to be able to see it, and that was very kind. I couldn't miss it for the world. I can't go to the taping, unfortunately. There's a taping. There's a taping.

I'm revealing too much. It's okay. Honestly, I have something exciting coming out at the end of the year. It's kind of a big deal for me. And my sister came up to support. And it was truly sister support. It was sister support. Capital S.

And I was so, so, so happy, thrilled. I was in the presence of true talent. It was sister support capital S. And I was so, so, so happy, thrilled. I was in the presence of true talent. It was fantastic. Thank you, Quina. Quina. You were talking about Bowen feels summer slipping from his claws. Well, because I wanted, I kind of pressured Matt into going out for a little dancing tonight. Because we're in the same town for one more day.

And then who knows when the next time we'll see each other we'll be Oh yeah, I guess it's going to be a while, huh? That's why I pushed for it. Okay, I understand. So anyway, but I feel summer slipping through my fingers and I am a little anxious because I have like back to school anxiety coming soon. I forgot that it's different for you for that reason. So then what's your argument?

What's your... Well, I've been over summer since Pride. Yeah, I know, I know. But also it was, you know what? I don't have the same relationship to summer ending because you have very much a primetime television schedule, which is very back-to-school vibe. It's just collegiate. It's a collegiate schedule.

Whereas my schedule is more loosey-goosey. I only have a regimented schedule for eight weeks of the year. So nice. It's lovely. So nice. I do love it. Oh, my God. But you know what, though?

It's not that I don't love summer. It's just that I'm so tired. I'm so sick of myself saying this, but I've spent so much summer in New York. Yes. And I just don't enjoy it here in the summer. I understand. I understand, girl. But love being here for the reasons that I'm here.

I love performing. I've been performing. I reconnect with my lifeblood, sis. I know, sis. Well, let's just agree to disagree. Agree to disagree on the concept of summer. On the concept of summer, I do have to make a couple of apologies. Oh, I know.

This is a public apology episode. In fact, the title of that is public apology. Public apology. For one, I was very stupid in thinking that the breastfeeding room at the Delta Sky Club

was a fuck room. Many, many, many Katie's informed me that those rooms are for nursing parents. I thought you knew that they were for nursing parents

and you were being glib and making a joke. You were being knowingly glib. A word I'm pretending to know what it means. You know what? I think the narrative for me this summer

is that I'm stupid. No, Bowen. I'm stupid. I falsely... Society is really falling apart if Bowen Yang is admittedly stupid. I don't know.

Oh, no. I'm just taking accountability. That is something I have to apologize for. I do have to apologize for my frittata. I don't think. Oh, no, I'm just taking accountability. That is something I have to apologize for. I do have to apologize for my frittata. I don't think so, honey, because the reason why they don't do scrambled eggs is because it's hard to make scrambled eggs look fluffy for a long period of time if they go

untouched. I have breaking news about this. What? So someone who works in design for Delta Sky Club. Oh my God. Got in my DMs. They're a Katie? Yes. And she said, i want to tell you that i work in like furniture and design and stuff like that she makes the little triangle chairs she said i hope you enjoy what i do and i said i do very much yes oh my god and she said i just

want to let you know you could tell bowen the concern was heard and it happened on a good day because there's a meeting later. What? I am not kidding. You had an impact. Oh, my God. No, but I'm here to maybe rescind that. I don't think so, honey. No, don't.

Because I don't want to know the quote that she said was it did not fall on deaf ears. Well, that's very nice to hear. And, you know, we love Delta. The queen of airlines. It's actually roller coaster number 43. Delta delta the queen of airlines it's actually roller culture number 43 delta is the queen of airlines um but i i have heard from people in the service industry who work with eggs specifically it's hard to make girls it's hard to make scrambled eggs look appetizing for if they're just sitting out there and no one's touching them yeah i mean also like

i don't know about you but but I'm not a picky eater, really, but with scrambled eggs, if there's even... I can't even explain. It's like an intangible, but if they're a little bit off, I opt out and I will go for a pastry or something. Absolutely. Or always a sausage patty. Always a sausage patty.

Finally, this is a joint apology. We put forth the theory that Beyonce hates Lizzo because Lizzo was not mentioned in the Queen's remix of Break My Soul

when in fact she was absolutely name checked we heard this through a friend we won't name him no it was Matt Whitaker so basically I demand it

so Bowen is apologizing and I will be a part of this apology because we are the ones that propagated this on the podcast but we did not originate it. We did not.

Basically, our friend Matt Whitaker said he feels, and he is a part of the beehive, perhaps even more so than us. I think he's the biggest beehive member that we know. Did you know that for all the Grigios, which is what they call the friend group I have in LA, one year for Christmas, it was the COVID Christmas. And what I got for all of them was I got them all coasters with their favorite person that they stand so like for my friend gus i got him patty lapone for jared i got him like like eight like all taylor swift albums right oh my god i love those coasters yeah those those were really clutch so etc etc i think um lewis i got madonna and so um for what if i'm not whitaker i got him beyonce once because i know he's in the hive and it's that iconic like it's like yellow she's in like a yellow getup it's like carmen san diego

but yellow on a black coaster really good wow excellent so he is to say the least beyonce hive and he said to us the theory that beyonce hates lizzo because lizzo wasn't in the queen's remix and so we took that word as so we took that word as bond. We took that word as bond. And then we confronted Whitaker on this and he refused to apologize. I asked for him to send in a taped apology and he has yet to do so. He won't. He won't do it.

I don't think he will. He said that the theory originated from the fact that Lizzo was on Carpal Karaoke and told James Corden that she loves Beyonce, but that she's never met her. And the fact that they're both Houston natives and that Beyonce has not reached out to Lizzo means that Beyonce has some animus. I don't think that's possibly true. Because remember,

Beyonce did post a happy birthday Lizzo Instagram. I just feel so humiliated. I'm humiliated too. We share our humiliation. We share our humiliation. I do want to just make it clear, because some people seem to interpret our discussion of Renaissance last week as tepid.

It was as if we entered the country with Derringers, because some of these Cadians turned into terrorists. Period. Period. What do you want to say about this? It's one of those things where I don't want to say about this i just it's one of those things where i don't want to talk about it too much because it's like oh you heard something completely different than we intended not even it's not even the intention it's literally what was said

where we literally said it's truly the best album of the year to be clear it's the best album of the year and nothing will beat it oh absolutely no for, for me, I've had it on repeat. I think, you know what happened? I think that we've obviously marinated in it so and felt that the takes on it have all been given. And then we recorded that episode right after the Chromatica Ball, a concert that we waited for for two years. And a half.

Two and a half years. And then we got to go and it was so great and so exciting. And we were with someone that had gone. That sort of got into the Gaga of it all. And of course, the Taylor of it all really took off because Cody had those, you know, controversial to say the least thoughts about Taylor. But make no mistake, ass getting thicker, stomping the streets to Renaissance. Like, don't make no mistake. Make no mistake.

I just wanted to make that clear yeah and that's all i just renaissance is i mean to say that it's a peak of my personal life of bowen's personal life is is putting it mildly we absolutely stand we are in the beehive i mean and let's not even get into it like we had we had one beloved reader and actually you know bowen and i both responded to this insta post because this reader was like wow maybe y'all should have not talked about renaissance at all and i was like wow that was not that was not that was not the feeling we that was not what we thought but if that was this being the public apology episode if that was the if that was the the vibe that we got put off into the energy into the universe because of renaissance let's just all begin on

the same page no no we're all grooving like virgos to this one oh my god period period we've been delivered dead ass deadass.com i feel sorry for these girls i just want to say that i'm back i'm back and i so sorry for these girls. And we're sleeping real good at night. Oh my God. What are you thinking of apologizing for next? We're not doing this

the whole episode, by the way. No, I just want to, I do feel that we were contrite and now I refuse to be contrite again. Yeah. No, I'm good. Okay.

I've apologized for everything I feel I need to apologize for. And if I do anything on this episode that is apology worthy i won't i won't apologize for it later no this is this is the designated time also now nauseated by the apologies this is the turn where we get to kind of take some people to task uh-oh where um honesty zone is at this time done we're not doing any more honesty zones because it's getting dangerous well getting dangerous. Well, it's... I love that it's dangerous, but some of these... Some of these Katie's

are recording the damn lives. Yeah, it's in bad faith. And that's... That's not... That's... I will say that was not a rule that we did not come out and say,

please don't record this because that would sound so sus and weird, but... It kind of... I don't know. I think Honesty Zone is honor system. I mean,

in the words of the Countess, don't be all uncool. Don't be recording live. Don't be all like uncool. I mean, look, here's what I'll say. Let's just make a pact, you and I. Let's get tactile for a second. For now on, everything's the honesty zone. Everything's the honesty.

I don't need a zone for honesty. I brought up the honesty zone to my therapist. You did? Because I need toevaluate my relationship with honesty okay and i need to like really write about honesty he wants me to write about honesty and i feel like you know i've used little white lies as like things to obfuscate reality for like a very long time and that we work in a business where you kind of have to smile and say no everything's great right or you know kind of have to... Smile and say, no, everything's great. Right.

Or, you know, kind of use subterfuge, deceit, lies. Yes, little white lies. Little white lies to sort of navigate. And... Yeah. Shooting this project was amazing. Every day was a dream. There you go.

There you go. There you go. No. I love it. So I'm going to try to be more honest. Can I say something about therapy? Yes. Are you really loving your therapist?

We hit a little saggy era, I think. Was it because you felt that there was not much to talk about or because you weren't connecting in terms of you feel he wasn't helping? I feel like there wasn't much to talk about, but lately there's been plenty to go through, and I think he's truly the smartest person I've met, you and sudi girl that's not a girl well you know that i i don't know if the readers know this yeah oh i just said readers okay can i say something yeah it seems like the readers katie's publicist etc are rejecting katie katie's the spelling or the whole name i don't

know it just feels like there's some hesitance to be called Katie's. That's fine. I say let's just try it out for the rest of the month. Let's just try it out. See how it feels, Katie's. We're trying to like evolve as a podcast. Not evolve, but just like we're trying to keep it fun. We have to just, it's a renaissance era. Y'all, we've been doing this for like six and a half years.

We have to change. We have to switch it up. We have to be like the queen of reinvention. Say it with me. Christina Aguilera. All right. So I don't know if the Katie's know this. I have two therapists.

That's right. Which I at first shocked me, but I kind of love as long as it's working for you. It is because, okay, so this is how it started. Which is not uncommon, by the way. Multiple, many people I know have multiple therapists. All right. So that makes me feel better because I feel as though, so basically what happened was I started therapy and what I'm told is you're supposed to sort of date your therapist,

you know, like you have a couple sessions and then one of them will sort of surge to the front of the pack. I love them both. That's amazing. And one of them is very like, it's giving thruple. It's giving thruple.

And, but they don't know about each other. And I have a feeling like, when is it going to come up? It's giving double blind thruple. Very that don't know about each other and i have a feeling like when is it going to come up it's giving double blind throuple very that it's giving deceit that's no i don't think it is though do you think either of them would sort of i don't know clutch their pearls if you told them so they're different so one of them is very like eagle rock like crystal vibes there's a pillow that says beautiful you know what i mean it's like and i

feel more emotional with her and then the other one is more clinical ask questions i love it queer woman you know what i mean i love that you have both i have and also like i i see them both uh bi-weekly so i schedule them on uh i see one one week and then another the other week so it's like i go weekly yes but with the other one, I option off and on. And it's not like I'm working on one particular issue in my life that I need to have a through line with either of them. It's kind of just like I sit down to therapy and I talk and what comes up gets discussed. So in that way, it's not rubbing. It's not rubbing.

It's not bumping. But do you ever find yourself on certain weeks where you have Eagle Rock Lady and you're like, I wish I had Clinical Queer? Never. I'm always excited to see either one of them. Amazing. Yeah. Then there's no notes. I have no notes.

I'm just going to keep doing it because it's feeling good. And if you're paying weekly anyway, if you're paying roughly the same as you would if you were to see one therapist weekly, then why not? I will say one of them is much more expensive than the other. Yeah. But it doesn't matter. No, it's fine. And it's interesting that the one is more expensive than the other. Anyway, I probably shouldn't be talking about this.

No. I don't. Okay. So get this. This is an interesting thing. So one therapist says to me, I want you to know I watch your series. And I was like, oh, thank you for watching it. She goes, yeah, I think you're great.

I think it's really good. i watch it with my wife and then she goes about four or five weeks later she said so me and my wife were watching fire island and she said isn't that that actor from the show and this might you can't she can my therapist said oh yeah i guess that is and she's like i had to pretend like i didn't know you and i was like wait so you have you you can't even be honest with your partner about like oh yeah i have that person in therapy and she goes no that would be breaking i guess the code or whatever and i was like that's crazy i would not be able to keep that secret and that's why you're not a therapist honey honey big mouth big mouth i apologize for being sort of like i think I just gasped when you told me

a couple weeks I was like wait what but this makes total sense what about the shoe therapist about having two I'm obsessed with therapy and you know what show you need to watch

oh my god you told me couples therapy couples therapy on showtime with the queen Orna Goralnik Orna I mean come on

this woman is not only a great therapist and the way that they do the camera setup if any readers or Katie's whatever you guys are comfortable being called, watch this show, you know what I'm saying. It's just an actual therapy session because the cameras are back behind the walls, so you can really just watch them be in the therapy session.

But this woman is not only a great therapist, but pops on cam. She's like a Robin Weigert. Very much that. Very that. Wow, congratulations. You really are a coach, Arisha, for saying Robin Weigert. Thank you.

I mean, she's played multiple therapists. I guess you're right. In Big Little Lies, and then in something else recently that's come out. Oh my God, wow, yeah, I totally forgot about Big Little Lies. She was in something else where she was, I was like, oh, okay, this is type, I guess.

Yeah, yeah, wow. Yeah, I mean, that soft lighting in her office. But her voice is so perfect. Celeste. I can't even remember why I did that. You have to leave him. That was,

what an iconic show. What an iconic show. Oh my God. Oh my God, one of the nominees for best news we heard, Big Little Lies season two. I know.

She was, she should have been in it. It was missing her. Oh, she was in it. She was in it, but it wasn't, I mean, it didn't have the engine

to like involve her as much. Yeah, yeah. Like Nicole was still seeing her, but it wasn't, there wasn't like the urgency. Right, right.

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your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Do you want to talk about Morning Show? I feel like we've touched on it. The only big news I've heard

is that Jon Hamm has added to the cast as a... And someone who works in production contacted me and was like, and this is what they said. They said, I want you to know, the third graders

are working overtime on the season. I'm so excited. The third graders are on set this season. Yeah, the third graders are on set doing live punch-up. Doing live punch-up. Jon Hamm demanded it. Jon Hamm is a Katie and demanded it. And then the third graders are like, literally

like, boots on the ground producing. Just being like, no, no, no. Let's actually strike this, it and then the third graders are like literally like boots on the ground producing just being like no no no we let's actually like strike this put that in there do that through this oh my god i love it so i just voted for the emmys yes and who did you vote well i voted for you okay you didn't have to i voted for you my sister thank you my thank you thank you so much and i have to say um when i got to lead actress drama and i I saw Bradley Jackson on the damn ballot, I almost clicked it. No. I voted for Melanie. I voted for Melanie, too.

Oh my god. I hope she wins. I hope so, too, but that's a stacked category. I think Zendaya might do it again. Yeah. There's buzz around Melanie, though, and you have to remember, those working actresses, like, everybody loves them. Everybody loves them. The industry respects the hell out of them. I actually think Melanie's gonna win in a landslide i can't wait i'm excited yeah i mean

like if you want to call them precursors i guess but like she's won so many of the awards well we were there when she won the critics choice she won hollywood critics association yes different critic a different was that the hca whatever hca yeah i got nominated but i don't i didn't get invited to the ceremony i I don't think. And you lost. And I lost. Sorry about that. That's okay.

I'm so sorry to this man. Sorry to this man. I, it's, I'm taking my mom to the Emmys. You are? Yeah, and it'll be nice.

She's not going to know what the hell is going on. She doesn't watch any of the shows, but I'm just happy. She's like, I'm just excited to like see what it's like.

Oh, that is so fun. It'll be nice. That's such a great thing. That's so Tom Cruise of you. I think it's a thing. like, I'm just excited to like, see what it's like. I'm like, yeah, that is so fun. It'll be nice. That's such a great thing. That's so Tom Cruise of you. I think it's a thing. Like everyone brings their mom to a award show. No,

that's so great. I feel like that's a really, really good vibe too. Like, and then she'll be there when you lose to Brett. Oh my God. And it'll be so amazing. It'll be so amazing.

She won't know what the hell, she'll just be, she'll be happy to see Keenan. Do you think you're going to lose to Brett? Absolutely. Yeah, probably. I would be happy

to lose to any of them all great nominee category brothers I think that you are gonna get nominated every year no and you're gonna be

Susan Lucci babe I and when you win on your 19th nomination cause you'll be at SNL for 19 years 19 years everyone's gonna

absolutely weep and they're gonna say Bowen Yang Bowen Yang! Bowen Yang! The fact that Kenan hasn't won one is... He's such a legend. But didn't he win an Emmy for writing the song with... He won for writing...

So he is an Emmy winner. Him, Chris Rad, and Will Steven are Emmy winners. We love that. But I'm saying for acting. I know. This is a man who can do it all. He should really have a Hollywood Walk of Fame star. He just got it. Two weeks ago. You know what? That a man who can do it all. He should really have like a Hollywood Walk of Fame star, does he? He just got it.

He just got it. Two weeks ago. You know what? That's why it was in my head. Good for him. I mean, talk about a deserving person. Oh my God. And upcoming guest on the pod, Jennifer Lewis also got one, and I got to be there at the

ceremony. You sat next to Brandi. I sat next to Brandi Norwood herself, and she turned to me and she said, hey. And I was like, hi hi i am such a huge fan my name is matt i'm on the show with jennifer and she said oh she told me i'm not allowed to watch it unless she comes over with me oh and i was like okay so you haven't seen it but um we're gonna talk we're gonna ask jennifer next week that you you have to go watch the show with brandy so that she can see matt i know well okay so it was so funny because she was giving the best energy she

she had her camera out taking videos of jennifer and she kept screaming yes auntie yes auntie amazing i love it i i honestly i i turned to vanessa who was on my left i was like i have to tell you like i fucking stand like since since since i mean never sitting up in my room sitting up in my room since the beginning since moesha I mean thank god they put Moesha on Netflix too oh they did

yes I used to fucking take Moesha to the damn head after school Brandy is a talent oh my god and one of the best singers

yep in modern history but I mean when she sat down next to me I was like I really was living my life and she was giving the best vibes and I didn't know

that she was close with Jennifer but Jennifer is that vibe she's a hub in the wheel yes yeah and debbie allen gave one of the speeches oh it was amazing are you kidding me yeah debbie mark shaman and debbie allen gave the speeches because mark shaman is like one of her best friends wait did they work together ever they did actually so from way back in the day you know how jennifer started was and she'll talk about this when she comes on the pod i'm sure we'll ask but she was one of bett mittler's backup singers oh my god yes that's how she got her big break so she was like touring with bett and then like 70s 80s bett like 80s bett i love 80s bett she's got some great fucking songs yeah and if you read jennifer's book or

listen to the audiobook even better the mother of black hollywood and she's coming on to promote her new book which is called walking in my joy in these streets love it um oh my god which by the way her publicists need to send the book yeah i would love to read it we have to read it before she comes on please um because you know we read the book like sunny hostin well i read the book yeah which by the way did we tell the readers like Sonny Hostin. Well, I read the book. Which, by the way, did we tell the readers in the Katie's that I did that impression for her? Yeah.

No, we didn't. I don't think we did. So when we did the view, Bowen literally says to Sonny, Matt does an impression of you. I didn't say that. You did. You did.

You did. Oh, my God. You were like, Matt does an impression of you. And she turned to me and she's like, well, what is it? And I said, well, I read the book. She loved it. it yeah because we had just talked about how she we can reveal was the only one that watched the movie she watched the movie i think that's it i

think i think anna was i don't know if i don't watch their movie and anna was just like so excited about margaret cho yes anna was like we said margaret cho and she lit up yeah and then whoopi was didn't watch the movie, but was very supportive of it. She was so supportive of it and very excited that Joel had written it. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Whoopi said many times how important it is to create your own work. And she is, of course, the solo show

icon self-starter. Yep. Number one. The fact that that still like gets her, like just the concept of someone being a self-starter like Joel is. That's amazing. She was beaming off-camera about it.

We did a little reception that night. That was fun. She was so effusive and so nice to us. She's not strayed too far from her values, I would say. For the length of her career, I would say. No.

For, for, for the length of her career anyway. No, she's, her principles are still there, which are like, you know,

you got it, like you have to make it happen for yourself. Yes. And then she said something interesting. She's like, she goes, cause they're not checking for us. And then I think someone's,

maybe it was Sarah said, well, they're checking for you. And then whoopie goes, but never first. And that just to know that like, you know, Whoopi Goldberg.

Yeah. Oh my God. Right. Anyway. Okay. Jennifer Lewis. Oh, I was talking.

So we were, we were talking about soaps and were you transitioning into housewives? Yes. There's much to say. There's much to say. There's so much to say. We're recording this episode before we get to Aspen, which is like Beverly Hills is about to really pop off apparently in Aspen. But I want to say there's so much to say we're recording this episode before we get to aspen which is like beverly hills is about to really pop off apparently in aspen but i want to say something yeah and i

want to direct it at lisa rinna oh who i've always you know sort of appreciated as like the fun villain of the show sort of getting conflict she keeps saying on the show that um she's getting herself give cutting herself slack and giving herself quote unquote grace because her mother just passed away. And I have all the sympathy in the world for Lisa Rinna for the death of Lois. She seemed like an incredible woman and I know they had a close relationship. This is just a global note I have for

everyone in the world. You cannot use your grief as an excuse to treat people badly. And I think it's gross. It's an organizing principle for her right now, or when they were shooting this season,

because I would say her instinct, a lot of the time, is to dominate. Yeah. And so I think that's what's happening. Because I'm actually watching,

because you and I are both re-watching season four of Potomac. Love. And Karen's parents died within six months of each other, seven months of each other. She isomac. Love. And Karen's parents died within six months of each other, seven months of each other.

She is deeply grieving. Yeah. And I would say she does not give herself carte blanche to, like, be monstrous to people. Because Lisa is, can I say, Beverly Hills really bummed me out this season overall. And I'm saying past tense because it's almost done. There's a lot of bummer elements.

I just think no one's, like one's really like no one's really that sympathetic or at least no one is that like person to me where I can be like well at least I like them where I'm watching whereas I'm watching Potomac now past seasons and even like I re-watched the season six episode where Wendy pops off at Giselle and Robin yeah and I'm see, I love the show because I, and I've said this before, baseline enjoy all of them as people. Yeah. Even Giselle,

when she fucks up, like she's still really funny. She's still so funny. And I'm like, and I was talking to some people when I was posting about Potomac on my Insta stories, like overall best vibes of any city, of any franchise,

in my opinion. Yeah. But anyway, Beverly Hills, I'm like, God, each of them are a little, are just a little, like, gross to me. You know, the thing is, like,

and here's the deal. It's like, Z-Way tweeted this, and I thought that it was very apt. So, essentially, all these women are characters on a television show. Yes. And Z-Way said,

the reason why Lisa Rinna is not working on this season is because her character is not grounded. She has no motivation. Like, she'll be in one scene and apologize and say, I have to get over some things and I know I'm being out of control. And then in the next scene, she'll be a complete monster. Or in the same scene. Yes. After she broke down at the Homeless Not Toothless party, she fucking, sorry, she breaks down.

We have to pause. Homeless Not Toothless party, she fucking, sorry, she breaks down. We have to pause. Homeless Not Toothless, that eight minutes of TV was iconic. It does make the whole season worth it. Oh, please. It honestly harkened back to Ugly Leather Pants. Yes. Homeless Not Toothless.

It's better than Ugly Leather Pants to me. I'm just saying, in terms of a sequence of television, these women dressed up for a disco party to celebrate a Rina Beauty launch for the second time. Like, them dressed up in this garb arguing about the title

of a charity. The order, if it's Toothless Not Homeless or Homeless Not Toothless, and it's just them, all of them saying it over and over again. And it's literally Kristen Schaal as a horse. Like, they just keep saying it it and so it gets funny and then unfunny and then funny again and it's so insane to me homeless not i'm sick of it and then i love it and then i'm sick of it and it's it's incredible homeless not toothless and then i have to say i i've said it so many times that i did go to the website and almost make it well there you go but then i found out they like

have like a bad they have like a bad rating from like there you go. But then I found out they have a bad rating from like... There you go, charity. Charity.com or whatever. Those two reps at the dinner were so funny. That was us. That was us. That was us.

That was very us watching. I think they were playing Flotsam and Jetsam in the live-action Little Mermaid. They booked. I mean, ultimately, those ladies just silently just like watching.

Just like... And then I loved in the last episode when they were like, Dorit was like, you guys can leave. You don't have to sit here. And they were like, we don't know if we want to leave or want to stay. Like, this is wild. And then Melissa Etheridge coming out. Can you fucking imagine? Like, Garcelle was absolutely so bummed out that Melissa Etheridge had just listened to them scream.

Yeah. Or maybe she didn't. She was not under the fucking cloth the didn't. She was not under the fucking cloth the whole time. She wasn't under the cloth. I'm sure she didn't catch any of it. I did stand when Kathy said, I've worked with the

homeless. I've worked with the toothless. I mean, Gawker did a great article. I think it was Kelly Conaboy. It's time to press the factory reset button on Kathy it's tough we're gonna see how this rest of the season turns out

but I will say it was shocking to watch Watch What Happens Live when they played that game which was setting her up to fail but she did fail which was do you know this person and they showed a picture of Lizzo and she winced at the screen

and said I can't see it. Who is that? Precious? And then some people said, well, she probably thinks it's Precious Lee, the model, who like does bury resemblance to Lizzo. But I think that's reaching.

I don't think Kathy knows who the fuck that is. I think she was trying to make a joke and was, you know, it was racist. When you tell someone, I don't know. It's like, it's like embers in new clothes. It's like when you sort of like kind of love or celebrate someone for being like, I don't know, like ignorant, not of touch that way.

Yeah. It's setting them up for something awful. I mean, the thing is, she was not celebrated for this one. I mean, she was dragged on Twitter and even issued an apology. And she said in the apology, like, my eyesight is bad. My eyesight is bad. But that's not the point. No, that's not it.

So we will see how this goes with Kathy. Because apparently something major happens with Kathy Hilton and Aspen. Oh, that's right. Where Kyle freaks out at her. But did you see? So sometimes in the edit, they hint at this stuff. So there was a moment in the last episode of beverly hills where she's talking to someone and she says you know rick her husband says to me all the time you have to be careful what you say because if you say the wrong thing you're

canceled i saw that and you have to wonder why was that in the episode because they're probably hinting that something is about to happen because they just took that snippet of casual conversation right and put that in there. That kind of politically says something about her. And you remember that scene where Diana says to Garcelle, you are the coldest of the bunch. I feel like I can't get to know you. And Garcelle's like, what are you talking about?

And then Kathy laughs when Rinna starts to get involved. You can see Rinna and Erica decide that Kathy is the next on their list. I think. To target? Yeah, because Kathy laughed at them because she thought they were being as stupid as they were being. Yeah, I'm so over Erica Jane. Me and Pat Regan have this in common.

Never really Erica fans to begin with. I always liked Erica. And then when everything happened, I was like, I actually, at the beginning, I remember when we had Cecily on, Cecily was very pro-Erica. Cecily was very pro-Erica. I wonder what she is now. I don't know.

I would love to talk to Cecily about this. But I can't imagine that Cecily being the rational person she is and very nuanced in her thinking when it comes to housewives and things in general that she can sympathize much longer with the whole Erica situation. Just the behavior is so rotten. It's not good. And that moment,

I mean, you want to feel bad for her, but then I go, she's also just a monster where she's like, look at this. I don't want to be here. I don't want to have this life. Look at my life.

Meanwhile, she's living in a fucking truly a villa in truly Hancock living in a fucking, like, truly a villa in, like, truly Hancock Park. You're not, like, yeah, you're fine. She's acting like fucking Fontaine up in here. Yeah. She's acting like Fontaine. You'd think she was Fontaine.

Toothless. Bald. Homeless. Fontaine was homeless, not toothless. Homeless and toothless. That's really culture. Number 100. Fontaine was homeless not toothless homeless and toothless that's really culture number 100 Fonty was homeless and toothless

Jesus literally Mama had to sell her teeth for pennies I can't think about Fonty I'll get too sad no if I get into Fonty honey

wait the tears are coming the tears are coming you want to know something I'm getting really emotional about just life in the world. I look at my damn nieces.

I turned a corner with my nieces. Not that I was ever anti-niece. Well, remember when you hated your nieces? You never hated your nieces. I never hated them, but I was kind of like Ellie's being a little like... In her terrible twos, Ellie was being kind of... And she was stressing out my sister and my brother-in-law, and I felt sorry. Children are hard to love in their terrible twos, period.

Period. Children will listen, and children are hard to love in their're terrible twos, period. Period. Children will listen and children are hard to love when they're terrible twos. Oh, honey, the way I'm going to see Into the Woods again on Tuesday night. We need to talk about it. Can you go off? Okay. But talk about your nieces. This is Into the Woods. This leads into Into the Woods and I look at them and I just go, oh my god.

Careful the things you say. Children are listen. I just think they're so wonderful and I believe they are the future. Well, they're so, I will say again, and I don't like to just boil kids down to their looks like this because I know

that can be damaging, but these girls are stunning. I vowed to never comment on their looks. Until they're gay uncle. Until they're like 16. And then be like, hey, hon, I know I've never said it before. Slay.

Mama, you're stunning. Mama, slay. You've been slaying since you were born. They are, well, you know, I'm more and more aware of the fact,

like I was at home with my sister, my brother-in-law, the nieces, and my parents, and it was really nice to have everybody there and was able to appreciate,

it was nice for every, instead of revertingting which i usually do when i go back home like a lot of people do i we all were just able to focus on the girls in some way at least which was nice and appreciated my parents and their parenting and appreciated my sister and the way she parents and then i just think that it made me understand and remember that children absorb the emotional environment they're in and i'm like damn like it sucks that they're growing up in a time where everything is terrible um when do you think your sister will tell the girls that you're a sodomite i think tomorrow i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna call her tonight and say, Hey, mama, tonight is the night. Tell the girls I take it in style. The butt.

Erase, erase, erase, erase, erase. Butt style. Send. I take it butt style. Send. And then you throw the phone like this. Ah. Done.

And you go, ah. Okay. Joshua Henry, Pippa Sue, Sarah Bareilles, and Katina Miller. Okay, what is with Pippa Sue? Are we calling her Pippa? Because her name is Philippa. Her name is Philippa, but she goes to most people. She turns to me.

She goes, you can call me Pippa. Seriously? She did that? Yeah. Me? Because I know that... Did you actually meet her? Yeah, I've met her multiple times.

Oh, my God. What a slight... I DM'd her met her multiple times. Oh my God. I DM'd her like a freak. I don't think she ever saw her. No. She has to understand the impact she's had on culturistas. On lost culturistas even. She should come on. She's got to come on.

She is... I also fucking stan her husband. Oh my God. He's amazing. Did you see Bridges? I never saw Bridges. I heard he was amazing. No.

This was like... It was giving capital L, capital I heard he was amazing. No, this was like, it was giving capital L, capital M, leading man. Yeah, no, of course. Like Broadway voice and fucking just stacked. No, I know. Oh my God.

It's crazy. You're like, that's a star. Yeah. Handsome man, amazing voice, amazing actor. You're like, this is unfair. The Tony snub that was, should have been heard around the world.

For Bridges? Oh my, it was egregious. It was horrible. This was back when I was still, I wasn't seeing that many shows because I just didn't have it, the instinct to buy tickets. Biggest regret I have

about my time at NYU. Oh. And I know, I never saw shows at NYU. Do you understand the discounts that we could have gotten? I know, it's crazy. I remember our freshman year,

the thing to do, orientation week was to go, everyone went to go see In the Heights yeah like they would take like huge like busloads of freshmen to go see In the Heights

was it In the Heights or was it Spring Awakening it was no we missed Spring Awakening or no maybe it was no it was Spring Awakening because you want to know what I did see Spring Awakening

welcome week so jealous and it was I remember I sat next to this guy Luke that I had a major crush on uh huh and I'm flashing back and I was out not in the closet i

was in the closet and i remember there's like the scene word of your body the reprise oh my god where it's like the gay scene and i swear to god i was bursting out of my pants and i could feel like the energy from him next to me and i was just like he was giving you some uh no he it was just like we were sitting there just like both like like fucking bursting but so closeted yeah and that could have been so fucking hot and i just watched this happen on stage and was just like that's like a formative memory yeah like sitting there like listening to these gays sing to each other i by the way i think it was blake daniel oh my god i think it was uh it might have been anyway we know so many ernsts we do so many bottoms that played ernst anyway yeah we fucked up and we need to be

seeing more i do need to be seeing more i feel like i feel like this season i've i've gotten to see wonderful shows we'll give more of your take on into the woods it was fantastic it's it's a it's a foolproof show. I was talking to Cole Scola about it, and they were like, I was like, it's a basic answer, but it's my favorite song. They were like, that's not basic.

100%. It's a foolproof show. You can never go wrong with it. And I said, what I realized this time watching it was, because this is my first time seeing it live, because I'd only seen the PBS recording with Bernadette. Likewise, yeah.

And I realized, and this is, again, like a very, very basic thing to understand about the show because people have known this for decades, but it's a show, it's an impactful show because it's a show about impact. It's a show about, you know, children will listen. Consequences. Consequences. And everybody getting what they want and then it all falling apart. Like, you know,

it's just such a good show. And this production was so perfect. I do regret not seeing it at City Center, but I just loved the ensemble of this one. Patina was incredible. Sarah was incredible. See, that's why I'm going again. Because you didn't get to see Sarah,

but you got to see Philippa, Pippa. I did see her. She nailed the physical comedy. I didn't expect the comedy. I'm going again. Because you didn't get to see Sarah, but you got to see Philippa, Pippa. I did see her. She nailed the physical comedy. I didn't expect the comedy. I don't know. I think it's because, oh, you want to know what? I actually have not seen her on stage because when I saw Hamilton, I think she had either just left or took off that night. I just missed her.

Yeah. So I didn't see her and I did see all the original cast. Shout out Lin-Manuel. Shout out Lin who couldn't come on oh open doors lynn lynn listens lynn at least listen to the global songbook episode because lynn loves the song dancing crazy by miranda cosgrove as a result of us putting it on the list which means he listened for i think that's like in the middle of episode two, of part two. And so he contacted me and told me this. And I said to him, Lynn, it's amazing to hear from you.

Congratulations on Satisfied making the list. I want you to know that Bowen and I used to perform Satisfied at the Duplex. And we'd be announced as Renee and Elise Goldsberry. Remember that? I do remember that so well. I, oh my God. Two amazing comedians, Renee Elise Goldsberry,

Phillipa Soo. Who knew? Who knew? Oh my God. You gotta, you gotta do it all if you're on Broadway. You gotta do it all if you're on Broadway.

It's not even Look Coach number 50. You gotta do it all if you're on Broadway. I'm telling you, there's a YouTube clip of Audra McDonald on the Tony Awards

performing a number from 110 in the shade. It's called Raunchy. She does an aerial flip. Are you kidding me? I am not kidding you. Get onto YouTube right now. Watch the YouTube performance of Raunchy from 110 in the Shade. Audra McDonald

does an aerial flip and remember that she's Audra McDonald who has Audra McDonald's voice. Understand that she also can do an aerial flip. You gotta do it all. She can do aerial flips, sing fucking Porgy and Bess,

fucking be on private practice, do Shonda Rhimes. Forget it. Forget it. Also, she once played the beggar woman in Sweeney Todd. Amazing. That's your favorite Sondheim. It is.

And I know that I've actually had the opportunity to see sweeney todd so many times because actually there's that iconic production they did a few years ago where i believe it was caroley carmelo played mrs love it um and i didn't get to go in like a small space too i think it was like somewhere in the east village it's like really tiny the barrel street theater oh great um that would have been iconic and the the gag was they served like a really tiny, the Barrel Street Theater. Oh, great. That would have been iconic. And the gag was they served like actual pies while you watched. So fun.

But I want to see Sweeney Todd done on a big scale. Yes, you've said that. Because it's such a big show and I want to see like, I want to see big sets. I want to see like a throwback to like the original production. Because I believe Sweeney Todd is like,

it's a masterpiece. And I've said on the pod, but I'll say it again because it bears repeating. There's a concert version of Sweeney Todd that has Patti LuPone, George Hearn, Neil Patrick Harris, et al. And it is a stunning production and it's on YouTube. Amazing.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Neil Patrick Harris has done a lot of Sondheim and a lot of concert versions. Wasn't he Bobby for Company? Yes, he was. And he also just did the Baker at the City Center Encores.

I heard he was great. And he was Toby in this Sweeney Todd. Yeah, he's quite good at Sondheim. Very good at Sondheim. He's a very clear voice. Yes. Yeah, he's a great performer. Gosh, I've missed so much Sondheim he's a great performer. I, gosh,

I've missed so much Sondheim in the last few years. I missed Assassins. Oh, Assassins is really underrated. I mean, but Assassins was at City Center and Aaron Markey as fucking, Squeaky?

Squeaky. Oh, that's perfect. I heard it was iconic. They probably were unbelievable. Of course they were. And then, the original Squeaky, by the way,

Annie Golden. Yes, Annie Golden was amazing. Oh my god, she was so good. That's the giant's wife. Giant's wife and grandma and the tree. I... And it's... Sorry, I'm jumping all over the place, but then it made me think It's Lost Cult. It's Lost Cult.

Such a shame that there are no great film versions of Sondheim, but maybe Merrily We Were Along, Richard Linklater might be good, but we're not going to see that for another 20 years. We'll see. It's got great talent. Here's the thing about the Sondheim movie adaptations. I think Sweeney Todd, the movie,

it's fine if you know absolutely fucking nothing about the original musical unfortunately you're gonna come if you know and observe culture at all you will come with an understanding of it and you'll see that it's not cast well and that it's dumbed down musically and i'll say this you know i stan helena bottom carter but if you can't understand the words that mrs lovett is saying it doesn't matter yeah and johnny depp is johnny depping too much i love johnny depp in it i know that's not popular to say i liked him in it a lot no it's yeah i thought he matched the tone okay that they were going for okay if we're gonna do a tim burton sweetie todd i think johnny depp was good do you

think it's somewhat dissonant to have like like, I guess we'll call him, like, a Taurus director with, like, fucking paired with Sondheim? It's like, I feel like that's so... I think it depends. It's, yeah, I just feel like that's so, um, what's the word? Like, hyper-constructed.

Like, there's too much going on. Yeah. I think people shouldn't be afraid to have this look more like theater you know what i'm saying the thing i loved about this production of into the woods was it was very bare bones was was basically the concert version right but with like a few like production elements yeah it felt like they had to make it a quick transfer. Yes. And they did that while still giving it enough. Yes.

To make it feel like we're seeing a Broadway show that wasn't just like a staged reading. Right, right. But God, these performances. So good. And I want to say, the thing about the Into the Woods movie, some of the performances are really good. Like, I think Chris Pine is a great Cinderella's Prince. Yes. Very good Cinderella's Prince. Yes, very good Cinderella's Prince.

Gosh, I did think during this Broadway show that the kids really get lost. Little Red and Jack are both like, I don't remember a single thing about them. In the Broadway version? No, no, no, I'm saying in the movie. Oh, in the movie? When I was watching the Broadway version, I go, oh, the kids.

Oh, no, the girl who plays Little Red in the Broadway version? Oh, excellent. Julia Lester. Julia Lester. Iconic. So funny. She said, annoying girls are back.

Well, but that's the thing about Little Red is that it's hard to not make that grading, for lack of a better word. You have to lean in. You have to lean in and just go for it. Like, it's so, like, mother said, straight ahead. Like, it's like, it's written to be. Yes. Like, yeah. Grading. Grading. It grading it's it's that's where the comedy is yep you have to have you have to throw all your vanity away for something like that and i think the the girl they got for the movie and i i'm sure she's

lila crawford i'm sure she's lovely i wish her success i just i don't remember like the there being that sort of vigor to it no anyway not vigor, not vigor, but, like, you know what I mean? Like, it just wasn't, like, fun. No, I know exactly what you mean. And, ugh, and Jack, like, Giants in the Sky, I was like, let me go back and listen to the film version of this. I was like, damn. You didn't feel it? It's just not there.

You know, unfortunately, I think that Giants in the Sky, while Jack is a child child and i think it was probably the right decision for the movie version what they were going for to cast a child like giants in the sky like there's actually that song is either a huge smash that that is like really hits because it is dense and it's yeah tough i mean like because he goes through a journey in the song but to have a child performing it it and especially that kid who who's talented. Yes, very talented. But it's sort of still in that phase of child actor where it's shouty. Yeah. One of the best versions of Giants in the Sky is Mandy Patinkin.

Oh my God, of course. And he's a full-grown adult man. But he does, he sings it in like a pretty high register. Yeah, I mean, he's like the tenor. No, yeah. But what I'm saying is is like he brings the gravitas to it where it's like there's a world weariness to it and it's this is what makes it a hard song and a world you never thought to explore like it's that's the journey it's like oh he comes

back and he's like whoa yeah i didn't realize that this was all like i love that so much yeah it's such a great distillation of life in one lyric this is what Sondheim is great I mean just remembering you had an and when you're back to or makes the or mean more than it did before are you kidding like to me I'm like are you fucking kidding are you kidding me and you know what I cannot wait to see Sarah do that oh my tell me about about it Moments in the Wood yeah I was I was truly paralyzed no I no we were

I went with Patrick Rogers I cried yeah I was like god that's so fucking when the baker's wife is that

Moments in the Wood is whoa and then she immediately dies I know it's crazy the realization

and then death. Oh, my God. Which is not a spoiler. I mean, get real. Get real. Oh, man. And then, honestly, let's just put some respect. And by the way, this was the gag.

So the night I saw it, who was in the audience but Bernadette Peters herself? Oh, my God. I'm walking in and literally this happened. A Katie turns around and goes i just want to say i'm i'm a reader and i was like it's so great to meet you and then she goes you're not gonna believe this but bernadette peters is behind you i said are you fucking kidding me she goes no and i turn around there she is smiling glowing excited and then minutes later i look at the playbill and sarah's out and i was like oh bummer like sarah missed like bernadette coming coming oh my god wow that's that's a great night

so imagine being patina i know knowing bernadette's out there but then also your patina with a perfect voice voice is perfect oh come on come on. Oh my gosh. She was wonderful. So good. She was great. The power that that has. The power, the Patina that that has. And you know what?

Just to talk about these roles in the movie, I thought Meryl and especially Emily Blunt were fab. Meryl and Emily were wonderful. Really, really good. Okay, let's quickly touch base on Potomac. Do you think it's worthwhile? I think it's worthwhile. I mean, we have some rumors.

Well, did you see a tweet? And Candace herself retweeted this. Oh, shit. Well, of course she did. The report is that Candace Dillard Bassett and Ashley Darby are,

quote unquote, the stars of the season because the entire time they've been another quote unquote messy AF with all the co-stars and I'm going yes give it to me now I need it I heard they team up I love it

did you ever think that these two fucking mortal enemies little scampy women who we love and adore. These beauty queens. We've not always loved Ashley. I actually dislike Ashley very much. But actually, the fact that she filed for divorce makes me go, okay.

Well, he wasn't gonna. He wasn't gonna, but it took her long enough. But I'm glad she finally did it. It's one of those things where you're like, well, better late than never. I mean, I am so excited to watch this go down. But if they're teaming up, I go, give it to me. Give it to me now. Wendy Osefo in interviews as well being like, just you wait.

It's worth the wait. We're not getting this until October. I heard this rumor. Tell me. That Salt Lake City is coming in late September and that Potomac is coming in October. Yes. And I heard that the Salt Lake City trailer, if it's not already out

by the time this episode comes out, is imminent. And by imminent, I mean this week. And that it's a good one? Well, I mean, what do you think? Jenshaw fucking changes the plea. I mean...

Or pleads guilty. I mean, I don't know if that will be on the episode. I mean, they'll have to figure a way to put that in there. That's the bombshell of the Housewives year. All bombshells.

Of all bombshells. And Bravo. Yeah. I remember that day. Oh, that was breaking news. It was like when Trump was, they searched Mar-a-Lago. Well, I remember the day

she was arrested. I remember the whole, the shuttle day. I remember the, like, Jen getting arrested day. I was at work. Oh, yeah. And Heidi Gardner and I

were like, did you see this? Yes. Jen Shaw got arrested. We were like, like, Jen getting arrested day. I was at work. Oh, yeah. And Heidi Gardner and I were like, did you see this? Yes. Jen Shaw got arrested. We were like, oh, my God. Shaw rested. Shaw rested. The Shaw rest. Oh, my God.

I'm so excited. And let me just say, because there are some Katie's slash readers out there who are militantly anti-Housewives. Wow. And kind of get sick of us talking about it. But can we just say, it is one of the unifying pieces of monoculture that I know of where I can talk to anybody,

most people from different walks of life, and we get into deep, deep discussions about it. Our friends who were never Housewives people before are finally getting on board and are framing conflict through the show. I'm like, it's a really interesting lens through which

you see human relational aggression. You know who we have to have on? Casey Wilson and Daniel Schneider. It's time for them to come on. It's long overdue. For Beverly Hills reunion slash beginning of Salt Lake,

that's when they should come on. You hear that, ladies? Ladies. Clear the sketch. Clear the sketch. And Michelle wants to come on to talk about Potomac 2. And Michelle Collins

has an open door policy. Michelle Collins has an open door policy. She was on the Today Show co-hosting a seven-year-old. Running the show. Give this woman a morning show now, I said. Now, I said.

She is just one of the most magnetic people. The funniest, boundless, motherfucker. Yeah, she's so good. Oh my God. She's so good. We need to have her back.

Someone spilled sauce is still being quoted today. You know what's funny? She would actually be perfect to take over for Wendy. Let's talk about this. Because you sent me the Hollywood Reporter cover story written by Miss Lacey Rose herself.

That was heartbreaking. The Queen Lacey Rose. Katie's readers, you have to, well, it's not for the faint of heart. No. But it was, what was it, Hollywood Reporter? Hollywood Reporter, the cover story. Yeah, they did a full piece on the situation with Wendy Williams.

And really- It's tough. Really hard. They did a full piece on the situation with Wendy Williams and really... It's tough. Really hard and I just... I always forget that we moderated her Vulture Fest. Remember that? I remember that, but she was... She seemed vacant. A little bit, because we went to go talk to her in her room before, just to fill her in on the run of show.

She just was looking at us like mmhmm great and then Kevin was there Kevin and Kevin Jr. were there mmm we were in a small room with them yeah and oh my god that was a weird one that was weird we were excited

to meet her and then she gave us nothing she gave us nothing and then afterwards left without saying anything i mean whatever we weren't expecting like yeah i mean you know what it was giving it was giving i'm off until i absolutely have to be on right and then i'm giving and then i'm done which i completely respect right especially understanding more now what it means to be like on a press schedule right and what it means to have to conserve energy. Of course. But do you think, because one of the things

in the piece, in the Hollywood Reporter piece, really remarks on how all of these producers say that there's no one else who can do what Wendy does, which is sit in that chair and for 20 minutes just talk and have the whole audience in the palm of her hand.

I had a problem with that because literally Michelle can. Michelle can. And I was, and I literally, not to be stupid, but I thought of you. I was like, Matt Rogers can do that in his sleep. But I was like, do you think that goes along with her being like off and then flipping a switch when she knows she's on display or something? I think she's good at what she does. I mean, also you have to remember, it's like anyone that's like,

this is not a one-to-one, but it's sort of like when someone who's much older can recall a story from a long time ago. It's like she has it in her blood. It's in her brain. It's in her fucking deep, deep lobe. This is a woman who ran radio. know what i mean where she's trained to talk at talk yeah and she has the gift of gab but for her it's like it's like it goes beyond that and remember it's like being able to talk for that long and hold court for that long does not

necessarily mean you're saying all the right things because how many times have we said oh my god just last week we'd apologize up top well i apologize every other oh i'm talking specifically about wendy like how many times she said shit that is completely either right incorrect completely problematic yeah unfounded right so she's sitting there talking and so yes she's good at and can do it and we have an acceptance of like it being she has carte blanche because she's wendy yeah but like you know that's part for the course when you when you're told sit here and talk you're gonna say some stupid shit yeah but i think that michelle could actually improve on because michelle can moderate too

michelle michelle knows how to like guide a conversation because i don't think wendy was that good of an interviewer that That's why she stopped having guests. I mean, that's one of the... I don't think that's the reason why, but it's like, she doesn't care for it. Yeah. And also, I thought this is an interesting part of the article when they said that they had difficulty booking guests because a lot of celebrities hate her because of what she says.

Exactly. Which she must understand to be a liability. I don't know, but Michelle... Okay, and this is not to bring this up out of like um masturbation but um andy cohen said something really nice which is that that was very someone asked him like who would fill in for you if you were to stop hosting watch what happens who would be a great gay late night host gay late night host and he mentioned billy eichner and he mentioned you and me didn't mention us that was really nice. I might have misread that and thought that he was talking about a theoretical replacement,

which I don't think would ever happen. I think if he's going to leave Watch What Happens Live, it should be over. It should end. Yeah. But Michelle would be perfect for that, too. Michelle fits into so much. She can do Today Show. She can do Wendy.

Yeah. She can do these kinds of shows. Yeah. She'd be great hosting one of those reunions. I'm like, that's, that's what I'm saying. And I also think having a woman in that,

you know what though? I actually think that weirdly enough, because it's Andy and because it's a male energy, I think they defer in a way it's also their boss. So in a way he is like uniquely set up for that because he operates from a place of authority. And also he's just like he's visually and energetically a different vibe than all of them. So it's like whenever one of them snaps at him, like it feels like, oh, my God, they talk to Andy that way. Whereas like, you know, if it were like another woman in that chair or someone who was like on the same level as them, in terms of like just another you know comedian personality what have you they might like refuse to answer

a question or get fresh sure i mean uh yes a counterpoint to that is nikki minaj but she would not do that like she obviously had a different style and all the potomac women were like oh that's fucking nikki minaj. She operates from a place of authority because she's Nicki Minaj. Exactly, because she's Nicki Minaj. So you would need someone like that to keep these people in check. These people who think that they are morally sort of superior or are very self-righteous

in their way, defensive, egotistical, all these things. Why not bring the most egotistical person, Nicki, into it someone who's also going to be able to speak to those women like those women I loved that reunion

I recently rewatched it actually what did she ask? what did you think about Eddie following all these booty models to Wendy and she just cracked up laughing. That's so funny. But then what was the, what was, like, Nikki asked Ashley something, and then... Oh, she said, you didn't come down there with your breast milk to start some drama, child.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That. But then, I just, all I remember is... She said, lug your breast milk. Lug your breast milk. But then there was another thing that Nikki said where she was like, like, someone says something, like, was trying to stall on answering the question, and then

they were like, oh, is it this kind or that kind? And then Nikki goes, is there any other way? It was because she was insinuating that Michael Darby was attracted to Juan Dixon. Yes, yes. And then Ashley goes, sexually? Sexually, is there any other way?

Congratulations to Nikkiki she has the number one hit amazing what do we think i love it i i'm gonna say this i love anaconda i love anaconda i love a song like anaconda you know what i think she had the right idea totally because and i'm first of all let me also say, not only is this a beehive podcast, this is extremely, extremely a Barb podcast. We are not politically Barbs

because I think there is a politic to being a Barb at this point. Like, Barbs are, like, completely radical. Yeah. And it's...

Barbs are radical. It's actually really culture number 99 bars are radical and we we we acknowledge it we stand we stand but um we love anaconda i don't love this song but also like i i think i'm excited to hear whatever album it's on because i just want nikki to be fun again and therefore i want i want nick no i don't even need nik Nikki to be fun. I just need Nikki to not care what everyone thinks. Right. Like,

you know, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. You get the sense that she's in a, she was in a very self-conscious era. I think Cardi really shook her. Shook her.

But now that we're in a, we're in a, we're in a place where there are all of these female rappers and MCs who can directly link their aesthetics and journeys and points of view to Nicki in a way, and to Lil' Kim and Missy and all the Prada sisters,

and Queen Latifah, I think Nicki can come back and not be as insecure as she was right in that window when Cardi showed up, and the media made it seem like it was just the two of them. They're all way different. Of course! It's like not even the same

planet. There's no need for it, but also it's not their fault. I mean, it's completely this insane industry that they're in. And also a lot of the ways in which they get spoken to by media. Like, if you ever seen like,

like Nikki's interviews on like the breakfast club, like the way that Charlamagne talks to her is crazy. I don't know. I don't, I haven't seen enough of the interviews, but I feel like generally like a lot of the female entertainers who go on that show, like feel like they're, feel like they're a little taken to task or something.

And I wonder what that is well I think because they are yeah yeah yeah rightfully or not I mean like it's a little weird sometimes like the way that they

what do they do to Nikki well I'm just saying like Charlamagne has a little bit did you ever see um the Baited episode with Charlamagne no no not Baited

um the Z-Way episode Z-Way did an incredible episode with Charlamagne, and she shook him to his core. Because he said a lot of fucked up shit about Black Widow. Right, right, right. And she was pretty much reminding him, I didn't forget about this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think there's a general attitude that he had. Right. I don't know about now. I'm sure he's grown evolved I enjoy that he has strong takes I almost always watch him

on a late night show you know what I mean truly what a career on that man I think he's hot too I would say that speaking of Andy Cohen sort of influenced I mean like Z-Way

always credits her interview style to Andy Kathleen do you understand any of this? She's living Yeah are you a reader? No you never knew who we were before we came in here Yeah she's like no She's like I'm a Grammy winner I don't listen to these fucking podcasts

She's like I'm not listening to these gay people She didn't say She's like, I don't listen to these fucking podcasts. She's like, I'm not listening to these gay people. Gay people. She didn't say that. No, she did not say that. I said that. You did. I don't listen to gay people. Yeah, same.

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Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's time for I Don't Think So, Honey honey which is our iconic and celebrated one minute segment on this podcast uh it's 60 seconds of railing against something in culture at large that we think deserves to be dragged i have something i do too okay great i love that i love when we can come together and both have something i mine's mine's a little spicy and we might lose some Katie's after this. You need to make a public apology after?

No, I actually, no. No one will convince me. I'm saying too much already, but let's have you go first. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People who go to a restaurant and say, what do you think between these two things to the server and then name two completely different things? It's like, mama, if you come in and say you want, what do you think between the sizzling shrimp and the watermelon feta salad? It's like, bitch. And then the server is just like, I don't know. That's so different. Like, I recently went to a restaurant and I don't think so, honey. This entire experience with this person who just was like, wanted know like what they preferred between these two extremely

different dishes like me and this no and this is like a completely different person than me who goes into a restaurant and has no idea what they want usually i have some sort of like nature in me that's just like i'm kind of feeling like a protein yeah some people will truly come in there and be like i don't know what i want and it'd be completely. And then you put the server on the spot and they're like, I can feel them. Cause I used to be one of them where it's like, I don't know between steak and fucking even steak and like fish. It's like completely different.

What do you want? What do you want? You don't think so, honey, you don't know. So honey, I don't think so. And that's one minute.

Wow. Be decisive in a restaurant. Also. It's just like, I also really can't stand when then they pick something and they're like, but can it be this instead of this and this instead of this and this instead of this? Mama, pick something else on the menu. Right. Sometimes I will pick the item on the menu that even if it like is not exactly what I wanted, it has at least the collective package of something I would enjoy because I hate telling someone

a server or something to go to the kitchen and do substitutions and all this stuff and modulations and modifications on the order because I know you're setting yourself up for failure or disappointment and this is not to knock anybody who has to

do this out of necessity well yes but there is a yeah there's Keep it simple. Who has to do this out of necessity. Well, yes. But there is a fine line. I just think it's to be like, hey, I don't know what I want at all. What do you like out of these? You know what's not? I do think so, honey. And would entertain so, honey.

Like, could you make a recommendation for me? I'm a little Etsy. And then the server can say, absolutely. This is my favorite dish on the menu. What do you love on the menu? This is what I love. What I used to do as a server is, this is my favorite dish on the menu. This is a very popular dish on the menu.

Amazing. And they can make the decision there. And then they could say, I'm torn between these two things. And then if it's like one or the other, and it seems like I can understand what area they're in. Right, right. That's one thing. But when it's like a taco or a fucking,

you know, rice dish, honey, I don't know. The chasm is too big. Or it's like with cocktails. It's like, you know, what's a good drink? This gin one or this beer?

It's like, honey. Bitch, what do you want? What do you want? This absinthe or this spiked seltzer? Milk. Girl. You want a fucking mudslide? Honey.

Or vodka soda? I don't know. You want diarrhea? Or to not be that drunk? You tell me. By the way. Hun. Hun.

Horny. Horny. By the way, and I don't usually do this. Okay. But I did do an I Don't Think So Honey about flushable wipes. Oh yeah. What? Tushy sent me a fucking free bidet.

And they offered it to someone to you. They did. And I am not home right now, so I felt uneasy about having to send one. I really should. I installed mine two days ago, and it's truly changed my life. I don't know, though,

because do I self-install? Is it difficult? It's not difficult. You self-install. It's a little messy and dirty for like 10 minutes. Ugh. You... It's like anal sex.

Ha! You can throw down a towel if you want. Ugh. It's like anal sex! You can throw down a towel if you want for your knees. Well, okay. I guess I have to come around to the bidet thing, huh? What do you mean? What are your reservations about bidets? The thing about bidets that I question is it's like when I use a flushable wipe, I'm very in control.

It's a very manual process. So I know everything is you know lickety split down there right whereas with a bidet it's like okay i got water splashed on my ass that doesn't mean that it's like honey excavated the wipes the toilet papers i i'm still getting dingleberries and you, you're not doing drag. You're not dragging it on your hole enough. I'm wiping front to back, back to front, side to side, zigzag. First of all, come on. You need to do this.

Okay. I don't want to contribute to the Fatbergs, a name I wake up in a cold sweat thinking about Fatbergs. Who did that? Who named him that? I really don't like it. And to think it's collections of fatty i'm throwing it's disgusting wait i just literally gagged oh my god the sewers are so important i know you said this and i i have to stress i can't believe that on the podcast last

culture reached this bowen yang said if we if the sewers go society everything goes it's true everything goes and you know wastewater is now like a huge tool for public health. Huh? The wastewater, they're sampling wastewater to see what viruses are going around. I'm over it.

It's no, it's helpful, bitch. All right. It's not, it's not our job to go down there. Someone's doing it and I hope they get paid handsomely.

I literally hope that person, that should be the richest man in America. Yeah, I agree. Whoever is going down there, I mean hope that person, that should be the richest man in America. Yeah, I agree. Whoever is going down there, I mean, like, yeah, I'll go down in the wastewater to help us out with viruses at all.

That should be Elon Musk. Yeah. I think there should be a wealth, like, you know, Oh, yeah. Inequality. There should be a huge gap in wealth. There should be wealth inequality,

but the richest people in the world should be elementary school teachers and those diving into wastewater to find the new virus. Period. Period. Point break. If you dive into the sewer to get water for diseases, you don't pay taxes

anymore. No. That should be law. No. That should be one of the laws. You get one free super yacht. Where's Joe Biden on that? Come on. And you get one free super yacht. Where's Joe Biden on that? Come on. And you get one free super yacht. What's a super yacht? It's a yacht that's longer than like a hundred feet. Only a rich girl knows this.

No, no. They did a whole piece on the New Yorker about it, about how like that's, it's a way for rich people now to like dump. It's like a way for them to like put all their money in without like offshore accounts. Like, oh, you just buy a yacht and then like put all their money in without like offshore accounts like oh you just buy a yacht then like put it wherever it's a way for leo to fit 15 more 18 year olds on a boat they are that young so sad anyway um i have a lot of interesting texts right now oh the community's really getting together to text me um okay let's do do Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey

because we got to get over to Tai Chi. I can't wait. Me neither. This... We love Tai Chi. It's a great, great event.

And let's just say we didn't get to go because I was sort of sealed myself in a tomb vocally, but Alaska's 1989 looked insane. The makeup looked

on point. So for the readers that don't know and the Katie's that don't know either. Alaska Thunderfuck has been doing for the past year and a half or so these concert events at $3 Bill where she kind of embodies a different pop star and a different album era and basically dresses

like them but like it's accurate. I mean she looked like Taylor Swift swift 1989 era it was it was giving taylor it was giving taylor she did she basically did choreo from the chore she looked exactly like her and the energy was really right really right and um it looked so fun i really wafflin produces and choreographs them also did. Also, did you see Matt Wilkis posted on a story of Laguna Blue singing This Love? No. Oh, yes!

Stunning. And then I think someone, I forget who, but someone did an amazing rendition of Clean. Where I went, oh, this is amazing. I didn't really care for that song before, but then in this- I love Clean. And if it's someone who has a vocal power, not to say Taylor doesn't, but like, if someone can like give it that heft, I'm like, oh damn, this is an amazing song.

You know who does a great cover of clean? Who? Sara Bareilles. Oh my God. And she, I think it was like, she did like a cover of clean and beforehand she did like a little video intro and she said, she's like, I guess it was like celebrating Taylor or something. And Sara Bareilles goes, I just want to tell a story about Taylor, which is that she was kind enough to invite me to sing a song with her on her 1989 world tour.

And I, something happened and I couldn't hear myself and I bombed horribly. And I went backstage and cried and cried and cried. Oh my God. And Taylor came back and comforted me and said that how excited she was and that this happens and that she still that no one cared and like it was still so great to have me on stage and she made me feel so good amazing and then she covered clean and was

Sara Bareilles I mean stunning there you go quickly I want to say this is not an apology but it's to address something that happened last episode a lot happened in this Cody Briggs episode but it seems controversial It was controversial. Some Swifties seem to think that we were aligning and siding with Cody's anti-Taylor stance.

Or we didn't defend her. Didn't defend her. She needs no defense. She needs no defense, first of all. Second of all, everyone knows where we stand with her. We love her. And she's done incredibly kind things for us. And we will always be grateful.

But it's not transactional in that way at all. And we will make the light, stupid jokes every now and then about the private jet while we can, but of course, we're not going to, like... And actually, if you actually do more reading on it, it's like, a lot of environmentalist groups are like, but it's still not even for people who own private jets, it's not

incumbent on... Individual action is not even the thing that has to be like changed like even if every private jet owner stopped flight flying their jets like we're still like on the fast track to like all this crazy shit happening in the environment it's a countdown to extinction but it's no it's just saying like it has to happen on like on like a bigger scale with like fucking corporate shit anyway um we we are still very very very swifty here come on every now and then we can we can make light of the of the the media narratives that are happening as long as it's not fully ruining her life this is bone yanks i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey me getting this sty buying this ointment

and then looking at the label and it's saying homeopathic. I don't think so any homeopathy. The whole thing is fucking bugged. How are you going to say that it's more potent when it's more diluted? That makes no scientific conceptual sense. It's bullshit. It actually harms people. And the whole principle of it gets worse before it gets better

is bullshit. It's quackery. I don't want to hear it. Come for me if you want to, but it's insane that I get to walk into Whole Foods and see half of the shit there be homeopathic. It's garbage. How is this a $3 billion thing? I don't know.

Oh, wait, yes, I do. It's because people can fucking think for themselves. You cannot have people pushing homeopathy on you when every single scientific study and area of research on it people pushing homeopathy on you when every single scientific study and area of research on it is saying that it's inconclusively it doesn't, it's actually

conclusively not helpful to any treatment. Guess what? The ointment didn't do shit. I had to buy the classic sty gel and it's gone. And that's one minute. There is nothing I love more in this world than traditional medicine. I love it i all this give it to me give it well all this crazy shit i hear from people this guy this guy was like

talking the ear off at dinner one time on a date being like you know uh one tylenol pill makes your stomach bleed two gallons of blood i'm like that's not good for you joe i'm like that can't possibly be true congratulations i'm like okay then give me yours i have a headache because of you talking because of you talking sweetie anyway sweet guy sweet guy i have a headache from you talking sweet guy oh my god it's so real and just it gets worse before it gets better. Well, then I don't want it! I want it to get better! Period! No! This isn't chemo!

It shouldn't be! If it's chemo, then I understand. Anyway, I... If there are Katie's out there who are like homeopaths and can't listen to this anymore, bye. Truly, I don't care homeosexuals

I'm against it I'm against it don't don't homosexuals against homeosexuals that's our new

that's our homeless not toothless that's our homeless Kathleen do you do you watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills

Kathleen you're not a homeopath are you okay so you understand like what homeless not toothless that is have her explain of Beverly Hills? Kathleen, you're not a homeopath, are you? Okay, so you understand what homeless, not toothless, that is? Have her explain it to you. You did say that you understood

everything that we said, so you lied. You lied because you said you understood everything that we said. And we talked for a long time about homeless, not toothless. You're blank.

You're speechless. Are you a homeopath kathleen damn it's both damn it we we alienated kathleen to the tylenol there you go i love medicine period some of this ain't medicine though fucking putting bee pollen and shit i don't know the title of this episode is public apology but the the the energy of this episode is Public Apology, but the, the, the energy of this episode is We Love Medicine.

I took two Tylenol yesterday and they worked like a charm. Honey, Welbutrin changed my life. Honey. Prep, I love this stuff. Oh,

I just, I mean, listen, I, I, we're about to be on Stradio Lab. Oh my God. So,

Stradio Lab is coming to Big Money Players. Amazing. And we're on their first episode and they do a shout out segment and I shouted out Descovy. Oh, we love Descovy. I love the stuff.

I love the stuff. They allow me to have bareback sex. This is an amazing episode. This was so, I mean, it feels amazing to be, this is, yeah,

I was just going to say. I pushed for this to be in person. Doug, Engineer Doug was, God bless him, was figuring it out for us. I'm glad this happened. We should be in person

as much as possible. That's what I'm saying. And it helps Doug. It helps Kathleen. It helps the engineers. It really does. Wasn't this such an easy, simple process?

Yeah. Well, this will get you a Grammy. For sure. This episode is Grammy worthy. This is Grammy worthy, I would say. The way it was high culture and local,

the way we spent time on Sondheim and also... Erika Jayne. Erika Jayne. I... We have not done a culture catch-up in a while. We haven't. And listen, I think it's very important that we keep doing them

because the calendar is stacked. And I love that. It is. But sometimes I do think it's important. And this'm not, this is not me like wagging a finger at anybody. I think I love

that we get you and me. I do too. I think that sometimes when people are like, we love the culture catch-ups, it's like, yes, but also the podcast is about asking guests

that are interesting in culture, what was the culture that made you say culture was you and having interesting discussions? Yeah. But I also understand that people love what they love.

Maybe there will be a new announcement of some more nominees. Wait, what? Wait, we have not discussed this. I'm so excited. Who knows? Oh my God.

Maybe sometime before the end of the year. Maybe sometime before the end of the year there will be a hundred new categories announced. Oh my God! I'm,

I'm, I'm dead ass excited. Maybe, not saying promise, saying maybe, there will be an exciting announcement, a nomination special

for 2022. Oh my God! For an award show in June, a six monthmonth award season. It is coming almost time to announce new nominees. I'm so excited! For an event. Oh my god, I'm so thrilled.

The Culture Awards are here to stay. Absolutely. Can I just say, to close out summer, highlight of my summer, Culture Awards. Yes. And more to come. I would say the actual best moment of the year for me so far was the three and a half minutes

that we performed Driver's License. Yeah, with Josh Arpeter and Jackson. That was peak. Amazing. And there have been so many incredible moments this year. There have. But my summer could have ended right there. It should have.

It should have. And it did. For me, yeah it should have it should have and it did for me yeah I hang it up hang it up haven't had a pleasant day since yeah

well until today until today and now we're gonna go and drink a vodka soda or two and mm-hmm

mm-hmm gallivant gallivant as always we end every episode with a song a big tall terrible giant

at your door a big tall terrible lady giant sweeping the floor and she gives you food and she gives you rest and she draws you close

to her giant breast and you know things now that you never knew before not till the sky there are giants And you know things now that you never knew before. Not till the sky. There are giants in the sky. There are big, tall, terrible, awesome, scary, wonderful giants in the sky.

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