Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Queer Bar + Grill" (w/ Miss Peppermint)

Episode Date: June 24, 2026

Miss Peppermint is here! Shall she be mother?! The legend and NYC Pride Grand Marshall (alongside Bowen!) spills tea literally and figuratively on this week's Las Cultch. She's come toting her Transcendence tea, so you know it's really on sight. Pep discusses how she's become more and more of a political messenger throughout her life, community in karaoke AND karaoke in the community, and how the art of the flirtation may be at risk in the culture! All this, topping yourself, Desperate Housewives viewings at gay bars pre-Drag Race, and thriving as a drag queen with hot wings. Peppermint, we love ya! Watch Survival of the Thickest on Netflix!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Oh, my. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, goodness. Wow. Las cultureistas.

Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. I had the urge to enunciate. Clat. Our guest came in, and we just vain voluntarily. Club. Legend. Art.

Theater. And now tea. And now tea. And now herbal infusions. Well, there's. I'm sure you are going to school us on tea, but we're... In more ways than one. Because there are some things that are tea, and there are some things that are infusions.

Yeah. Okay. You know these things? Our guest knows. Now, we've loved you forever. You were technically our Miss Cultureista. Yes. The third culture awards.

People didn't see this on streaming on Peacock, but back in the day, when this was just a live show, peppermint was quite the gag when you came out in your traders clothes wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on me we can't just talk at her with us you're saying you like she's here I know I know I know I know she's not yet she's not yet here here she's on her way but she is one of the grand marshals of pride wouldn't you know it alongside

someone I know quite well sorry I hit Bowen Yang as to enunciate because podcasts are a visual medium now we didn't want it it just happened when I hit someone in the future I'll just say I was anunciating Yeah, you just did. I was physically enunciating by hitting my sister. Did you notice? So we opened the upfronts and we had to do a little monologue at the embassy upfronts.

And one time to enunciate my point, I did go like this. Right, Bo? Like we were like an like a fucking, like an old couple. Old timey 1920s vaudeville comedy couple. Oh, yeah. Hey. Which is ultimately what we are. It's all vaudeville.

It all goes back to vaude. Well, culture is all in one system. And that's a rule. I don't know what the fuck I mean by that. I think I do. I think I do. Yeah. It's the amphitheater.

Wouldn't you say that our guest is in good old-fashioned performer? A trailblaza. Trailblaza. A grand marshala. Our guest is out here beautifully expressing the right political takes. I'm just going to say. There you go. There you go.

We will talk about this. The right ones. The right way. The right. right. The right wing ones. Our dress is a right wing legend. She's making her right wing debut. And this is the place for it.

No, she is of legend for all time. She's the L and Kla. So you know she's a legend. Yeah. I need to try her new transcendence tea. I think we might get to. With Moody T's, her new collaboration. She's on season three of survival with the thickest with the one the only Michelle Vissage.

Michelle Vassage. Michelle Boutot. Oh my God. She's seen all the Michelle's, though, in her day. Yes, yes, yes. All the great Michelle's. Alexis Michelle, theater. Everyone please welcome.

Pepperman! You're in person, last culture debut. Oh my gosh, it's true. Taking my virginity. And you brought the tea. I brought the tea. I brought the tea. We're going to spill the tea.

We're going to talk about the tea. We're going to talk about the tea. All of the tea. Before we get to the tea, memories of that traitor's moment. Because that was drama when we were at King's Theater in Brooklyn. It was. I mean, I feel like it was very shortly after the series. Yes. And so people were like, rife.

Is that a... Yes, right. For a moment. And I really didn't or hadn't had the opportunity to do any traders things in person or like anywhere after the show. You know, I mean, I've talked about in a couple interviews, but like making appearance and sort of honoring the traders hadn't really been done by me. Right. Right. We said, what if you came out as the traitor

and was sort of like a, like, what would you call that stage thing they do? Where it's like, oh no, what do you mean something's behind us? And the whole audience is like, behind you. Is there a word for that phenomenon in theater? It's like a lotzi. It's like a comedian thing. I feel like it's like the Italians used to do it.

Yeah, like the audience is in on it and that they see. What's very children's theater? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like there's a person. Where is it? Anybody see it? Help me.

behind it. Our whole audience with the peppermine is behind you! What? No,

that was so fun. I loved it. Yeah, I want to do it again. Do it again. L.A. 30th? Well, by the time

this episode is out. Okay. Become. It might be, it'll be too. Yeah, yeah. I had so much fun at the

Laugh called Teresa's awards, darling. Wow, what about that moment? That moment, that moment. Come on.

Come on. We sure top We've stopped ourselves. We sure topped ourselves. It's only. Literally. I think about it.

Topping? No. I've seen a video one. Not of you. Of someone topping themselves? Yes. It's a real thing. Explain it.

Somebody was laying in their bed or whatever and they just like, you know, we're... But then that's just a tuck. No. It's like the ultimate tuck. The ultimate tuck. No tape required. Darling. And I was like, oh, they've done this.

before. Wow. Yeah. And I was like, that's impressive. That's, but I can't imagine it's pleasurable. They moved the furniture out of the way. Yes. And so it is like a tuck.

And then they went into the tunnel. Uh-huh. And they were like, going in and out of the tunnel. There's a tunnel behind the furniture. This metaphor is amazing. I'm wondering, I'm genuinely sitting here wondering if I could pull it off. You'd have to be really long, I guess. Right.

And, long ones. He wasn't that in doubt. I mean, it was long enough. You know, I would say, um, taint distance. Short taint. That's what it is. They had a short taint.

Yeah. Good grief. Mom, I'm sorry. Don't watch this. Do you remember when we all discovered the word taint? And it was like one of those things that like, like, like preteens or middle school kids discover the word taint and then it becomes the word of the year 2009. I think they invented it.

Yeah. Preteens? Because, yeah, because that's not really the word, is it? Don't they call it perineum? Perinium. Oh. But, which I think kind of sounds shaker. I like that better too because taint sounds like, honey, I taint going to do, like it sounds

like an expression. Something that's tainted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's taining.

It's tain. That was, Bob used to do that, do the Godworry lip sync at Barakuta, Miss Maitras. RIP. RIP. Because that was where you, because you would tread the boards of Barracuda. I sure did, darling. Everywhere.

I was there, I mean, pretty much. Legend, hello. Legend. Yeah, I worked at Barakuda. I did Monday nights after Candace Kane. Wow. After she left, she sort of passed the crown on to me. Oh, amazing.

That slot, though, is powerful. That was the one. You wouldn't think for like a Monday, like a day of the week. It's not, you know, that's not the one you think of. But that was the show. I guess they trusted. the girls The girls

But did you remember When every weekend When it was Bob's Oh yeah Every Monday When it was Bob's Sort of tenure And then I think

Bob hated it to Monet It's true But then But do you remember Who you handed it to? Bob Oh wow That is a legacy

Yeah That's incredible It was It was I think Chiquita had Mondays before Definitely It was Mona

I think Mona had Mondays at one point Then Chiquita had Mondays for sure Because it was called the Gaylee show or something like that

And then it was Candus Then it was me then it was Bob, then it was Monet, and then it all kind of, then it kind of wish-washed around a little bit. Wish-washed around, it was porridge. But wait, do you remember your entrance music? It was whatever I chose to perform.

Yeah, got it. Because Bob's was always, Bob the drag queen. Can she turn in? Bob the drag queen. Answer is known. Will she? We're waiting. Just kidding.

It depends. And yeah, that's okay. We all get to show up whenever we want. I mean, listen, I showed up. Our time was not the same time slot every week. Yeah. Oh, sure. It was the witching hour.

11.30. I remember we were there. Ish, okay. You were like, we would go on 12.05, 1210. Yeah. Easy. But those nights were fun, though, whenever we just kind of got a little restless. It was late, and people would stay, and it was good. And sometimes I'd, you know, I, I, you know, I,

I would feel bad so I'd bring chicken wings or something. Oh, just have a, like a barbecue at the point of drawing. Yeah, I just like, hey y'all, I brought wings. It's okay. No one can be mad. How could you? I'd drag me the wings and she's going to do a number? Shut up and sit down and eat.

It's Monday night. It's Monday night. I miss Baracuda most of all. I do. It's where we would go, especially if anything was playing at MetLife. Oh, wow, really? We would go there just because it's like by the bridges. Yeah.

Before and after, sometimes. We pre-gamed Renaissance Day. We pre-game. chromatica there. Wow. Yeah. I mean, that's pretty recent in my... I know, I know.

It's talking as if it's like decades. I just mean, like, if you're talking about pre-game memories, like, those were two of the ones. But I feel like Chelsea is like kind of desolate now in terms of like the nightlife. It is? I mean, I haven't been there. Tumbleweeds. A hundred percent. Damn, that's sad.

Is Jim Barr still there? I think. I don't know. I hope. I do never know anymore. And like, honestly, that is. is maybe an indictment of us for not going out there. I know.

Of the culture in general where it's all, like, this is happening all around the world, or I'll keep it to America, but it's like the gay bars in like these like, more like manageable quote unquote queer spaces that aren't like huge warehouses or huge parties. Like they just don't see as much like foot traffic now. Oh no.

Yeah, it's their destination. Their destination. Yeah, but it's because it's all because people come in for these big parties that are like in a warehouse under the highway, which are fun. But like it does. kind of cannibalized something about like the bar scenes. Yeah, which I mean, maybe, maybe, I hate the thought that like, oh, everything's so cyclical

because it sounds so, no, no, no, but... But like, before the bar stuff, I was up in the warehouses. Uh-huh. At the club. Yeah, like tunnel and, you know, Sound Factory and, like, limelight. I mean, they were clubs. They weren't just, like, warehouses. But, like, they were these great big places where everybody would go.

Yes. And you weren't sitting around talking, you know. And you're saying it swung back. to bars. Yeah, around 2002-3 is when it started to get more about the bars. You know, I mean, they obviously, we always, the bars were always there. Yes. But like the scene really kind of distilled into that.

What do you think you can attribute that to? I remember Drag Race got us to the bars a lot. And when it became, you probably obviously saw like all of a sudden everyone shifting their attention to drag queens in a different way. I mean, I think before Drag Race it was Desperate Housewives. I mean, there was Desper Housewives viewing in a lot of gay bars. On Sundays. We were, we did not get here at the right time.

That was our time. That we would have been. I mean, it was like, you knew. You just walked down the street and it'd be like some in nondescript bar. And then you hear all the queens like, oh, no, she did. Oh, she slept with her, her, her man. You know, like, whatever. They're like, yes.

All the gay's crying because Gabriella, like, had to give her baby back. Give her baby a way. Yeah. Give her baby away. We've already fallen in love. Every single episode ended in like a major cliffhanger. Right. So you hear that.

The voiceover would go, yes. Gabrielle did have a secret and it would cost her everything. Uh-huh. Just like that. That's next door. Orson. Who? Bree's husband.

Right now? Husband is next door and the next door. Oh my gosh. We have to stop. And Twin Peaks, obviously, and Sex and the City. All the rest. An icon. Well, first there was Rex Vanda Camp.

Then there was Orson. I was a desperate. Housewives. Yes, we were. I mean, I hosted it because I did karaoke that night. It was the award-winning karaoke in this thing. Okay, let's go. Of course it was. Got me on the cover of two all of the gay magazines in New York City at the same time. Two all. You know. What was the karaoke? It was called, it was called Sing Out Sister. What was your number? Oh, the song. I mean, I would, in my sleep, it would be like Faith by George Michael. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, like, I feel like, God, you know what I miss? What? Timeout, you'd open it up Time Out New York and be like, this is my weekend. Oh, yeah. You just don't have that anymore. But I feel like seeing that sister was like a Time Out New York like fixture. Like, Critics Pick, like, go to this. Hose is a Bay Peppermint.

She's going to sing Faith by George Michael. Hello. Hello. She's going to wear the same dress. Same way. But that's, that was the gig. That was the gig. That was the gig, honey.

Speaking of the gig, wait, we need it. Can we talk about transatless? sentence? Yes, we can. Tell us everything about it. Why is it this gorgeous color? Okay, I am a tea drinker, not a coffee drinker, and I wanted to do something fun, not like a t-shirt or some kind of, you know, like, not like a t-shirt. Sox or whatever. Our merch shorts found dead. Yeah. And so I decided to partner with Moody Tea Company, which is a small queer-owned black-owned company that creates tea blends that soothe the soul. Yes.

And so we developed Transcendence which is a deep blue vanilla mint tea. It's herbal no caffeine and it's delicious. I love it so much. Can we try some? Yes, but. But. Oh no, there's no but. There's no perennium.

Yes, but. I kind of love that. Yes, but. And then you just do the thing. Where are your case? Here we go. And wow. This is elegance. Wow.

This is my pot. You brought it? I travel with a teapot now. Now, we need to ask Tony about his name. Wow, this is gorgeous. Yeah, just the color of it, the elegance, the style. And so what makes it blue is the blue butterfly pea flower, naturally occurring blue. And so if you drink, oh, let me get.

Yeah, I know. We have to all do it together. If you, in the summertime, if you want some iced tea and you put a slice of lemon or any citrus and it magically turns to a beautiful pinkish purple. Oh! Because it changes the pH. Chin-chin. Cheers, Charlene.

Cheers. We are so happy. Yes, this is the collector's edition mug with the collector's edition set. It usually just comes loose leaf in a bag like this, but then there's the collector's edition set. and that's it. It's fab. This is delicious.

Oh, this is exactly what you need. Mmm. Now, they... It would have been... Did these lovely people at Moody Tea go? And we'd love for it to be a peppermint tea. We talked about it together. I mean, there was lots of different options, you know,

but I wanted it to be peppermint, you know? I mean, I'm not going to do, like, some cinnamon flavor tea, you know? I mean, maybe round two. Excuse you. Cinnamon. has a major point. It does. I think cinnamon tea,

I love like a cinnamon. I love a cinnamon. It's tasty and it has some health benefits, but not as many health benefits as peppermint as mint for your stomach. Just everything, darling. Did this, did it basically like make you even more of a tea person or were you already the tea girl? I was,

I mean, I drank a lot of tea beforehand, but I definitely turned into a tea. T-Maven? I don't know. Tea snob. Tea snob. Tea. You were being mother earlier.

You know what? British tea. They go, shall I be mother? Oh, and then poor, hey, I didn't even know that. But I learned a lot about tea. I learned that tea, like the reason tea is so connected to British culture is because they were trying to get their workers to not take lunch breaks. Tea, not only drinking tea, but the tea, like the time of tea time.

Yeah, yes. lunch breaks and we need you to stay working. It's capitalism. So we need you to ingest sugar. Tea. So like that was what you they would have with sugar, which was really, really rare. Like you wouldn't put sugar in a lot of things back then. Yeah. And so they're like, let's get you a sugary drink. And tea at the time was the drink that you would put sugar in. Right. And it also was caffeinated. And it was caffeinated. But isn't this like such a crazy thing where like, oh, this like dainty little drink. Oh, no. Is responsible for like, is like a product of and responsible for like colonialism.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's go, like, invade these other countries. Because they have the best teas, I guess. And they're all hot up. Yeah. Like, it's crazy. Like, like, but now we think if tea is as like a wholesome thing, oh my God, you're like,

you're drinking hot water, you're China Max saying, you're drinking tea. But it's like, no, this is like fucked up. Serious. It's messed up. It's caused a lot of drama at the tea party. But listen, your tea can be problematic and tea can be even transphobic. It is, if it's not this tea, because this tea, in addition to being delicious, also a portion of every single sale goes to Advocates for Trans Equality, which is a national organization that helps a trans community. Incredible.

So I'm throwing out all my celestial seasoning. That's right, Darry. Oh, you're definitely them. They're transphobic? I mean, I don't know, but let's say they are. Well, they're not this, so yes. Wait, have you been to, have you, if you ever are in Boulder, Colorado, you must go to the celestial seasoning

tour. Factory, like, yeah. The factory tour, they have the mint room. Oh! Wait, what's in the mint room? It's where they keep all the mint, babe.

Is it fresh or dried? It's like already, it's dried. No, and it's like a cold like meat locker situation. But you walked in and it is... I know it does.

Vicks vapor rub found dead. It's amazing. But it's the best feeling in the... No, it's actually quite lovely. It's my favorite fragrance. Vicks? I'm wearing Vicks right now. Wait, that's she!

I mean, that is a Gilda Radner throwback. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But you have to go to the celestial seasoning. I have to check it out. I mean, I'm going to go tour all the tea places. I got to go check it out. You got to know the competition.

What have you learned about teas in this process? Infusions versus tea. Infusions versus tea. I mean, fruits, things that are fruity are more infusions, things like that. Tea will have leaves in it. So that's the basics. And, I mean, I've learned a lot about tea. you know, different ingredients

have different blends, have different steep times. This one is a good like five to seven minutes for all the benefits to come out. Yeah. You know, obviously the longer you steep it, the deeper the flavor becomes. And what are you doing in the five to seven minutes? How do you wait for the tea?

How do you wait for the tea? Are you clicking the fingers on the counter? I hope you're not watching the poil, the, what do you call it? The kettle boil. Oh, do the boiling kettle does never boil. It's right. Did you hear me swimming in the ocean?

Did you try to boil up a bottle of salt? I'm probably... I sound like Alyssa Edwards. Rigamorous? Rigamorous? I'm probably... I'd like to think I'm doing something glamorous, but I'm probably calling my senator

to make sure that the budget goes through and that they don't enact austerity on New York City. Like... Talk about it. Well, I don't have anything to say beyond this. I mean, why is it, but why is it affecting New York? Because it's the federal, it's the federal budget.

It's the federal budget that trickles down. I mean, there are obviously, there's like city, state, and, uh, federal budgets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That different resources and different services use. But, I mean, federal does impact something. It's like a domino effect. Of course, of course. And when you consider the relationships that are also tied to some of those things, the,

if you don't let this federal budget pass over here, you ain't getting this over there. Right. Then Julie Menon. in our speaker, you know, then you end up being corrupt and making decisions that are not in the best interest

of the voters that will... Let me drink this tea. Now drink the tea. It's really... You know what I think is funny? This is calming. This is calming. What I love about like social media

and the media being so sensitive now is they really can't get away with anything, but they act like they can. And you know what's funny? They do because people don't do their doing, diligence. They don't find out if these people are, you know, taking corporate money. They don't find out if they're bought or paid for it anyway. And then you get very tripped up because people get called progressive and I'm sorry, but I don't think you can call yourself progressive if you

have a very bad rating from organizations that track whether or not you've taken corporate money and continue to do that. So don't tell me who's progressive when you can do a simple Google search. There's nothing to say. It is 100% true. It just is what it is. But we're not thinking about it. Oh, wait.

I didn't know what's happening. That looks like a chic little hand toss like. Oh, yeah. I was like, what? Do you know what the key is? Look at the elbow. Oh, for the high five. Connect.

Oh, and then you know. It's a perfect name every time. So then you don't have a missed moment. Yeah. Not like politicians are missing the moment every day. Every single one. Speak on it. I feel like I asked you the simplest most, like ninth grade civics class question.

Well, how does the federal budget affect the municipal one? You know what? That's fair because a lot of us don't take civics anymore. They've like removed it out of education. Of course that. Growing up for me at least, it was like I remember our social studies teachers like trying to dance around certain things about like teaching us the Constitution when like Bush, W. Bush was president.

And she was like, how am I going to explain this? And now I'm like, I can't imagine what these fucking, like, teachers have to, how they have to, like, sort of package it without, like, getting, without, like, one of the kids going home being, well, Mrs. Patrick said this and this about Trump or, like, suggested. They just don't even teach it. I mean, like, it's not even in the curriculum anymore. And I think that's just, like, you know, teach American exceptionalism. You're like, we are great and we are free. And, you know, any threat to us is just a threat to our freedom. And that's it.

Meanwhile, you have Palantir. this video is getting strikes stricken and struck yeah they're getting stricken and struck no I mean this is this is the thing about about things like Palantir they're now trying to like aestheticize the all of like the nefarious shit where like it's all like they are surveilling us but like let's let's make a cool like rugby shirt with our logo on it and that'll be great like that'll that that kind of like sand it launders like the image in some way where it's like well if people are going to wear

are cool fun clothes, like they merchify like the fucking evil. Yeah, they want, I think they really are depending on people sort of devolving into this like I only care about like my. Yeah, like fun little stuff, little clips and like whatever like stuff that just makes them feel good and shopping or whatever without realizing that the material conditions and needs that they have are connected to all these huge corporations. that are taking money out of the pockets and taking their,

taking your actual freedoms away. It's not a brown person or a trans person. It's a corporation. Yes. And that I think is leading to another thing, which is we are becoming so numb to that because I think the prevailing narrative from all of these corporations

and I was actually watching hacks and the comeback last night and they both spoke about AI and it's the same idea that the AI creators and the people that are, sort of, you know, in power are saying, this is happening whether you like it or not, or the future is happening, so join it.

And this idea of, like, there's a great monologue that Hannah Einbinder had on Hacks, where she was just like, this is the problem is that you're telling us it's inevitable, and therefore we're just supposed to accept that and march into this reality when the fact is you are the only person that benefits from that inevitability. So this idea that we don't have a choice across the, board is so degrading to the soul of this country, which the second you really step out of it and start thinking about it, they've been degrading us from the beginning. They have.

Because they've made us feel we were in service to our country, not that they are in service to us. And it's just shocking to see them parrot this. Well, it just doesn't matter. AI is here. Like, this is the way our government is. Like, capitalism is the correct way. It's just crazy to see what we've accepted and what people continue to accept. I mean, I guess they have to change the definition.

of a lot of things with capitalism. I thought capitalism just meant being free to buy things and making your own decisions. That's what I thought capitalism was. And that can't be a mistake. That is a byproduct of everything I learned, whether it was from school or the media and the TV shows we were watching and the slogans that the politicians were saying. And so, you know, when you misdirect people and they're on some other path, then of course that's easy.

You know, if they can convince us that Palantir is just the shirt, then people are like, sure, we want the shirt. And then they're going to accept it. And that kind of paired with this, well, it's just inevitable. And it's not because they're there trying to sell it to us. That's what they're doing. They just need us to believe that we want it. Exactly.

Because another thing Hannah says in that monologue is she's like, you can't tell us that it's inevitable and that like it's just here when you're the one selling the product. It's like, this is like a sales pitch. Yeah, it's a sales pitch. The only thing that's inevitable is us. And when we ultimately decide to do or agree to do or decide not to do. And the only thing inevitable is transcendence by Moody T. That's right, darling.

That's inevitable. I just, it's really, it was kind of jarring yesterday because you see, like, it was in the center of both of the television series I was watching, and they were both comedies. Because something I hadn't thought about, about, like, with show business and stuff, is it's like, they're going to come for the things that they think are easily replaced first. You know what I mean? And I think that's like so. Like, like for example, they're saying the thesis of the comeback was, oh, AI can write comedy because you don't need to be a genius to do it. You know what I mean? It's like what, like they're talking now like these bros that want to look out

for other bros, I guess, like, oh, auturs are going to be okay. You know what I mean? Like, don't worry like these people that we actually respect because you're also men and indoctrinated into culture. Y'all are fine. We'll look out for you. We'll just help you with this. tool. It's going to keep everyone else down. You know what I mean? Like it's going to take, it's going to rob everyone of everything that we don't take seriously, which is going to be gay art, queer art, black art, like honestly, and then the low art forms, quote unquote, which is comedy and is low key, like experimental stuff. And that is going to be the first thing. What they're saying is the low art forms and what they're saying is like, you know, disposable. Everything for women.

Exactly. pretty much all those subjects that they deleted out of the federal vernacular last year out of all the federal grants and out of all the websites and removing tr- dare you removing trans from the uh the stonewall website and trying to get a people but you're right people aren't going to do any bit of research there were people up in the comments when they took the when they took the pride flag down from from stonewall in sheridan square that from the stonewall national monument they were saying well a gay flag doesn't belong on a national monument what the hell do you think the national monument is about.

Exactly. Also, how are they experts on monuments all of a sudden? They're not, which is case and point. They don't even know what this one's about. Exactly. It's just so wild for everyone in power to be like, we have to keep pushing forward. The systems in place have not worked. Our country is a failed experiment.

So the systems in place are not pushing us forward. Like, you are the only one with the megaphone, so you get to say that. But it's America didn't work. I remember, and I'm trying to, like, now I'm trying to go back and sort of redeem, like, where do these ideas get into my head? And I remember the idea of, in terms of politics, someone saying, well, I eventually just started parenting, oh, well, you know, it's basically they just trade back and forth and that's politics. You know, like first the right has it, then the left, red blue, red blue, and that's it, which just kind of lulls us into this status quo. Nothing will really change. And everybody knows that, like, nothing really changes.

just change power every few years and that's it. It doesn't have to be that way. No. I loved what AOC said the other day. Because, you know, they're asking the most boring fucking question ad nauseum. I'm like, what's your political aspiration in 2028? Is it a Senate seat or is it the presidency? And she turned and she said, you know what? I'm different from everyone else you're going to ask this question too, because I haven't aspired to this office. I don't aspire to a title. I don't aspire to leadership. That has not been what this is about for me. My aspiration is to change this country. and single payer is forever and like a title is is not like you can be the president for four or eight years and that is the rule and like and that's it but she answered that question in a way that I think makes her singularly set up to lead this country in a way that we need because she's not in service of herself exactly chasing power and money and greed which is what all of the elected officials are doing they're publicly like on talk shows now being like well I'm I'm very powerful as a Congressperson.

And you're like, you're not supposed to say that actually. We don't want that. Unless that is your value. And that is a lot of their values. They put emphasis on their power and influence. And then that becomes the thing that's important. And the way you maintain that is by getting into bed with corporations and unsavory groups. That's the only way you maintain it.

And that's the way you protect it. And then if you're doing anything in the best interest of a corporation, like corporations by definition in general do not have the best interests of people, human beings, the country, the planet, the environment, resources, disabled people, black people, trans, people, queer people. They don't have any of that in their best interest. They have making more money than they did last year. That is the definition of what a corporation is.

And that doesn't work. It's not sustainable. It's just not. Even if you are a politician that's on the take and getting all, you're going to be out one day. The corporation's going to be like, you know, well, we're done with you. We found a new one that's cheaper and we'll do it better.

Oh, you guys. I make people so angry. This tea really is an elixir to make you angry. No, no, no, no. But I'm really happy that we're talking about it, especially this episode's coming out June 24th. Y'all are about to be the Grand Marshal's at Fry. And I'm so proud of both of you because you're both amazing representations of Queer New York.

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Wow. Listen to learning to be human or IHard Radio, Apple Podcasts, or whatever you get your podcast. I listen. I really fucking love that march. And I know, and I actually, I wonder how you feel about this because I feel like as someone who's like participating in the official like structure of the Pride March. Like, I'm realizing and I'm really understanding that there are these different needs that the march fulfills and that like something alternative, like the question.

liberation march also fulfills in that it, they are maybe at odds with each other sort of philosophically, but I think it's just about this unresolved tension there is within queer life, which is some people want visibility and safety and some kind of institutional support, which will never be real liberation. But then there are people who kind of see beyond that and who might have the understanding and the, a certain attitude around like, this is what I think we should stand for. this is actually going back to the origins of pride and what March of B. Johnson did. Like, I think there's like, I think there's this like, for now, there's this thing where those

things are both happening at the same time for a reason that I think is very good. Like, you can, you can show up to the 11 a.m. So the Queer Liberation March, 11 a.m. on the 28th, at the AIDS Memorial, it goes to LaNope Circle. If that is like a specific sort of like intention you want to go into the Pride March with. I think we're doing it in the sort of the effect. official capacity where we get to maybe do a little thing with Zoron, with our mayor. We like get to like talk about where each of us was coming from within the queer umbrella.

Like I think there's like, I don't know, I'm trying to be like expansive about this idea, which like I feel conflicted as a queer person, obviously. You know what I mean? I mean, especially since over the years, the official pride parade, which now is named to March, became so corporate. Yes. And yet again, the court, we already know that like, they left. They left.

We were like, oh my gosh, here comes Coors Light with their pride flag or whatever. Coors, like, oh, never mind. Exactly. Before we can get two words out of our mouth, they're gone. They're gone. And that is, I mean, that's just, again, yet another example of how corporations will leave you high and dry and everything is so performative. And it is important to have inclusion in all these, just so much as in these corporations employ people who are queer, who are all different types. And so that is, that visibility is important through that.

Yeah. Sort of, you know, pulling these corporations to be like good corporate citizens or stewards or whatever. But, you know, ultimately they don't give a hell what it is. We've seen it. We've seen it. We literally have. Yeah. And so that is, and, you know, that is catalyst for a lot of people to want to start up the queer liberation march.

You know, and I think that's fantastic, especially given 2020 and the relationship with the police. And like so many of these different systems and institutions. in the city and beyond that have a bad history with the queer community. And so I support the queer liberation march 100%. It's necessary. That's what we obviously need to be sort of the lifeblood and what's at the core.

I think we as a community and as a country lost sight of what it was. You know, ultimately I think as a black person as a trans person, part of queer community, yes, I want visibility. I want to see, and I'm meeting into my little rant later, I want to see like, you know, inclusion and queerness and black trans people here and all this. I want to see that everywhere, visible.

And I want to see that for at least for the sake of people being inspired to know that they can actually hold those positions later. But why is that necessary? That's necessary because in the past those positions, those opportunities were held from people. And it wasn't just because they didn't want to have somebody on TV. They didn't want to have somebody on TV who was queer or this or that because it gave people. the opportunity to think larger, and it would give them and give them access to personal power and the ability to ascend so they could get access to medications and health care and housing and food. They'd find a way to do that, not through the typical systems that want to charge

as a subscription. Just like the Black Panthers were enacting their free breakfast program, and they went and shot them all up. They didn't shoot them all up because these were black people that were holding guns. They shot them all up because they were providing free breakfast to the to the to a poor neighborhood. Because it was a socialist like thing. Exactly. And that is the biggest threat obviously to capitalism. And so when we have queer people who see another way that we're not desperate, we're not held into these little boxes, then that is the threat. And so we lost sight and we thought that oh, the company changing their logo to a rainbow was all I need. Right. And it's not. Honestly, right now in 20206, I want health care.

I want housing that I can afford. And I want safety and food, you know? I don't even need money if I have those things. Right. The basics. That's what we need. You are such a good messenger. You really are.

Like, have you always had, like, even before drag, have you always been a political person? Or do you find that over the years you've been emboldened to this, to use your voice in this way? because it's vulnerable. Very. Thank you. It's fine-tuned for sure, like, you know, with my experience.

But I remember my mom told me, I did not know this about myself. I knew I was talkative in school, but like, I think in second grade, I rallied. This is wild. I rallied every single student in the room, in the class to sign a petition to state and declare that it was not fair that the black students in the room were not treated equally. Wow. Wow. you want to see the real kicker? I got all the white students to sign at the top

because I understood the power differential. Wow. And that that would be, they had white skin privilege and that the message would be better received coming from them. And it was my idea. Wow. Can you believe that in second grade?

Where do you think that intuition came from just from being in your body and your experience and knowing, like seeing that maybe the white kids got listened to, called on first? Like what was it exactly baked into you? I don't know because I don't remember, but I must have noticed it in the class. But it's not like they were like, you know, our teacher wasn't like in the KKK or anything.

Yeah. Right. I don't think so. That you know it. Yeah, no, exactly. That's why she was always wearing that white dress. Oh, my God. But no, she wasn't.

She was not. She was not. But my grandparents were heavily involved in the civil rights in the 60s. And my grandmother was an educator. and so, you know, like, I definitely, like, got the vibes and the vapors from my grandmother. Yeah. You got the vapors from your grandma. Because I feel like you also have this, like, personal history in terms of, like, let's just say, like, rallying people up with, I feel like, with, like, with, like, cheerleading, too.

Right? Yeah, I was a cheerleader. I feel like, I remember. We spoke about it on the first one of the first episode. Six years ago. On Zoom. Yeah. But I feel like, like, I feel like this is what you do.

You rally. You get in front of people and you go, let's do. Let's do this. I know. And I remember I used to work at a makeup store and hated the way that we're being treated. Yeah. And I remember saying, y'all, let's all walk out. If we all leave, they can't do anything about it. Do you know, like that was, it's always been in my. Yeah. I want to stay to walk out so bad. Yeah. Let's just stretch. We're out of here. Bye. Wait, I miss talking. But like, did you guys end up doing the walkout?

No, they were pussies. See? Oh, we couldn't get them on board. Like, how do you... But that's the vulnerability. That's the thing is it's like, you realize it's like, hey, let's all do this thing. In theory, yeah! And then you actually have to do it and you see it's hard.

Yeah. Because, and especially now, and the reason why it's like tech companies specifically that are like amassing all... They got us. They're amassing all these things and they're kind of like lulling us into like placidity or whatever. if that's the right word, is that we are, what tech companies provide is convenience.

And since things are so convenient now, and since all these things are wrapped up in this tech convenience, it is very hard for us to pull away from that in a political sense to be like, we have to do this thing in order to like, I don't know, like hit the carotid or whatever. I mean, I still,

deep in my brain, it's still instilled in me that monopolies are illegal and that, you know, competition is what drives the American spirit. But all that's been eliminated as of 1997. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't really exist. And so the price for convenience is privatization.

Yes. And having one corporation own not only the food that you put in your mouth, but the factory that it comes from, the store that sells it, the truck that drives it there, the seeds that are planted to use it, the spray, the chemical spray that goes on the, that kills us anyway. And so like one company, I mean, it's like Alien in the movie. Remember that movie? In Alien movie, there was one corporation.

It was, uh, what you just watched all the alien movies. Yeah. Well, yeah. Just one. That's it. They owned everything. Your housing, your food, your entertainment, your whatever. Skynet vibes.

Yeah. It's sky net. It's sky net. We don't want that. Well, oh my God. See, like, or Cyberdine was the owner. I don't know, one of those. Skynet.

And then CyberDane was the owner. the evil program. Like, I always rolled my eyes at that sci-fi trip of like, oh, sure, one company will own everything. But I'm like, oh, fuck. How close are we? Sci-Fi is always the most important thing to look at in culture. Because sci-fi is the thing that is talking about.

And by the way, sci-fi has been screaming on our faces about AI for longer than. Ursula, Kayla, Caleb, everybody read. Literally. But, like, we did not need this many warnings. And by the way, watch any movie with AI or, like, corporate takeover, any of this stuff, you will notice there are no happy endings. There's no, well, we gave it all up to the machines, but we were able to stay on top.

That doesn't, that's not a thing. No. It wins in the end. It wins in the end. It's just, it's wild because we're talking about all these, you know, the concept of needing to be a rallier and also like wanting to be a model of positivity, but also truth in a world where like the truth is,

a lot of things are fucked. And the truth also is that if people get the opportunity, to advance in power, they probably will. But it's funny because tomorrow I'm giving the commencement speech at my department and Tish, NYU. So I was from the dramatic writing department. So amazing. I'm going to go give the commencement speech.

And I'm speaking to a group of people who are entering the entertainment industry as writers. Get them. Tell them. Spit them on the path. Basically what I'm going to, I was talking to Jared about it last night. I was like, basically like, I want to be realistic about what it is, but also want to optimistic and I think the only answer, and this is, we say it ad nauseum and so therefore it can sound a little boring on impact, but it really is about community. If you look up to people,

you'll be disappointed. If you look out and up at what the world is or what it has become or becoming, you'll be disappointed, but I find you won't be disappointed if you look around. Because I can draw a straight line back to my community that I met at NYU in the queer life. When I looked around, I was never disappointed by people. When I look up, when I meet some heroes of mine, sometimes I'm pleasantly surprised. But other times, it's rough. And when you see behaviors that you don't recognize in people as they become whatever they're becoming and as the world becomes more stark to you when you realize that there is a label on everything or that we do live in this type of society, I find that if you just look to your left and right at the people that you're, really with and physically alongside, you have a gift there.

Because in that area, to your left and to your right, those people are experiencing the same conditions that you're experiencing. And so I believe that the human nature is, if we're all, I do believe that some of these billionaires are just like so, I won't say evil by nature, but they've been corrupted and so they're so cut off from the everyday person. But I do believe that if a billionaire, somebody who's extremely poor and somebody else who's this and that were on some island and a tidal wave was coming to kill us and we had to work together to do the thing. We would all work together to do the thing. You have to.

We have to. Unless somebody's like, well, I just give up. But I think we would all do that. And so that speaks to where we are now for the masses, for the not one percent. Exactly. If you don't own a private jet, you'll. are on the island. Yes, that's the thing too.

That, and that's, it's so funny when you actually draw out who the 1% is. It's like, oh, it's, it's obscene. Like, AOC, again, I'm invoking a second time said the other day on a lot of, Alana Glazer's great podcast, by the way, that you, there's no way to earn a billion dollars. You don't earn it. You don't earn it. You exploit your way into.

Yeah. Or you can inherit it from people that. Exploited. Exploited to maintain what they had. Yeah. But that speech is, that's such a great. thesis for your speech and it's I love it because this is my dream and I'm so happy you get to do it of just going everybody look to your left no I know it's like I that is such a gag part of it's

gonna be like I'm gonna do the cliche thing but I promise it pays off yeah yeah yeah go back look to you right look to you're right do we go into Jesse Jay everybody look to the right have I told you by Jesse Jay story tell you I went to go see Jesse Jay in concert in L.A. decided that day I was going to go to the Tarragam Ballroom with Sudy. We went. I knew, I thought she might sing Thunder.

We all know Thunder. Yeah, yeah. Okay, get this. Thunder is the national anthem in the UK. Only the good queers know it here. And anyway, so I just yell out, Thunder! And Jesse Jay from the stage goes, somebody looked at the set list online.

Oh! And I go, I swear, I go, I swear, I swear I didn't. And she goes, bring the lights up. And I go, no, no, no, no, no. So then she says, who said it? And I literally was like, it was me. And at that point, like, all the gays seeing Jesse Jee were like, there's Matt, Rogers.

And I was like, hi. I was like, and then I felt like they all thought it was like a fixed thing. Like, ooh, here's him like making it about him at the show. And I was like, I swear to God, I didn't know this was next. And also she goes, what do you do? What do you do? She goes, what inspires you when you wake up in the morning? I was like, I'm an entertainer.

someone from the other end goes, here's a podcast. And then she goes, I'm going to do your podcast. We've yet to get her. We've yet together. But I did DM her after it. I was like,

hi, we actually just had Michelle Obama on last week. It is like a real podcast. She goes, well, I said I would do it, and so I will. She responded.

Oh my gosh, do you need anybody to do? No, please. We have a whole team over there. Had they been in touch? Has Jess OJ ever been in touch? Jesse J Jesse J

Did you do her numbers Did you hear her songs? I used to sing Domino Domino! I did at karaoke Oh That's a hard one It's a hard

Singer I mean you know They had a key pitch shift Well right I love when I love when karaoke has the pitch shift Me too

And when the song starts Like Yeah Take me down Like I'm a Domina Baritone Only the fancy karaoke spots have that.

All the ones in Vegas, let's say, have like the key change. Did they have it in Japan when we went? I don't think there was a key change. Not the ones that we went to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We kind of went to like a more of like a rusty one. All complimentary.

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There needs to be Oh this is what we were saying earlier There needs to be like a queer spelling bee Where we just We spell icons names. Okay, okay.

And like proper noun spelling bee. And then we, and then I feel like, I feel like karaoke in the queer communal sense has to come back in a way that I think can be sort of for the people, for everybody. I used to love it. It was a great. Just, just gathering. Gathering. It was very, it was very communal, like you said. And yeah, community is like, it's so cliche.

Like, community is what we need. But like, it is really. really the thing that's going to protect us from the opposite of community, which is individualism and these corporations that are like privatizing everything and making your airline tickets specific to you. Girl, I couldn't believe

this one. Because I'm on I'm on delta.com and this is, by the way, it's not just them, it's a lot of them, but I go on and I'm like, why is it three times what it was last year? Then I found out about AI pricing, which is one of the biggest, I don't think so honey's

I've ever heard, which is they know if you're a loyal customer, so they charge you more because they know you can pay for it. Which means if you finally want to use your points that you racked up for business when your job was flying you and you decide to scrounge together your personal money and take a trip to go see your mom, that suddenly you're paying what the corporation would be paying. Right. Like this is the thing about like unchecked capitalism or whatever. It's like you are, like it is coming for everyone in terms of like,

like our in our privileged positions like our material conditions are being like like kind of fucked with you know what I mean it's like oh you're putting me in competition with myself for like the free market and the free market that's exactly what you're doing and it it even I mean these these corporations they don't just exist to they don't exist to serve the people because if they did then that would be the focus it's like you said AOC said like that would be the focus but if the focus is making more and more money these corporations they they they raised the prices on things, they make the products cheaper and less healthy and smaller, the packaging every single year, like you get less and less. Like, airline seats are getting smaller. What's

happening? People are getting fatter. Yeah. You know, like, it's getting smaller and smaller, more expensive and more expensive. And then what they do is they sell everything until there's nothing left to sell. And then they sell themselves to another larger corporation that buys them out and makes things even worse because that corporation that bought that corporation is less connected to the original mission of why they started that service. in the first place. And then you get these private equities that just buy up everything.

And I know it's like a horrific domino effect. But you're seeing the bigger picture of it all, which is great. Like I think people get sort of caught up in like the granular things, which they can and they should. But then like it is all connected. You know?

Anyway. But oh God. Like it is such on like a raya, let's say. It is immediate. I don't care how perfect the person is. otherwise, I'm like, if I see private equity, if I see... Oh no, do people actually put that in their name?

They list, they're they proudly. It's what they do. I mean, I'm glad. They can find like-minded people on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. And I'm like, oh, this is, this is desolate. Ew, but like private equity agents on Raya.

Look, it's where, it's where they go. I guess they're feeling, I guess for the same reason, like, entertainers might not feel like safe. Sure, sure, sure, outside the, you know, like, they should feel unsafe. It's because you want to know what. You're doing things that are harmful to people. They're destroying people.

They're going to get fucked on Raya because there's so many creative directors, aka people with no job. Get fucked. Not the way you want either. So it's like, you know, it's actually kind of a one-to-wise. It's a wash. It's so fucked. I don't miss the abs.

Oh. No. No. It's not even that. It's just that while I was single and, like, needed them, I also hated them. You know what I was like? I was just like, they were. I don't know

it's talking about community those kill community too they definitely absolutely no one meets anymore like I don't know when the last time I like you know and I miss this

like this is why I miss Baracuda and Boiler Room because I always hooked up with them always hooked up with them because you were like a little bit of like a I know I've had really that's also youth

but it's also that environment you know what I mean 100% I mean I would I'm sure there's people that would be hook up more recently. But I mean, like, if everybody's on their phone

during the event, during the show, then they're not like looking around see who's in the corner. It gets you less used to refining those skills to. You know what I mean? It's like there is still the art of the flirtation and the pickup

and the, you know, comfortability with self. And the unknown. I remember like going out to the clubs in New York and like not knowing if I'm, I was going to meet somebody and like have sex or get killed or whatever, you know, but like both. Let's go.

Have sex get killed or both. Yeah. Title of that. I died. Wait, I, I, I feel, what I'm feeling in this moment. Yeah. Is that I want to do the Trey Parker, Matt Stone thing where they like renovated Casa Bonita in Denver.

Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. I want to do, I want to like, it's not the boiler room necessarily, but I'm like, oh, I will We will probably open up like a gay, a queer space in our future. You think? I think we'll be, we'll be that, what's that called? I definitely want to call whatever it is a bar and grill. Oh.

A queer bar and grill? I'm down. Queer bar and grill. I think it has a great name. Queer bar and grill. Queer bar and grill. There aren't any right now. Julius, they make a burger.

I mean, there are queer bars and grills, but nothing with that name. Queer bar and grill is coming to the. place where Barracuda once stood and well maybe not there i mean now you have to like knocked out a hotel or like a duane reed or whatever's going in there exactly where are the dwayne reeds i don't see the dway in my neighborhood oh bless are d r's gone yeah no no no but they're fewer and fewer there's fewer there's fewer and fewer and some of them changed to wall greens and then some of them just got shut down wow remember that i remember dwayne reed new york there was a time when it was dwayne read new york What a sentence that is?

Oh, I miss the days when there'd be Dwayne Reed. I didn't say I miss it. I said I remember it. I remember the where I. I'm saying that's the sentiment though. Back in my day, we had a Dwayne Reed three times on a block. Where were you when you discovered that that was actually an intersection in their downtown?

Oh. Oh my God. Like 2014. Like way too late. Yeah. I'm like, oh my God. Dwayne and Reed. Dwayne and Reed.

I didn't know until now. It's the. It's true. You rallied. messenger. Oh. You need a messenger. It's on like off the chamber stop on the A.

Yeah. Yes. Yes. Oh, well, dang. I need to see you back in theater. Are you? I want to be.

What, okay, what's the new, what's the new dream role? What, anything that's paying these days? Yeah, hold on.

Why don't we, why don't we get you in Moulin Rouge? It's closing in like a month. Shit. Are you gagging me right now? Yeah. Surprise. That's where I heard.

Okay, okay. Yeah, so then, but let's not even worry about. I would do it. I would like to do it. either. I mean, like, in the meantime, like, something like, oh, let's do that would be, you know, Moulin Rouge, would I would do, um, uh, uh, Hades Town. I would do, you know, like there's

roles in different shows that I would do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot. Um, I really do like the idea again or the feeling maybe, uh, which was not easy. It's very different. Of originating? Yeah. Very different than, here's a script. There's your, I mean, it's more than that going into any Broadway show, but like, when you already have someone who's done it and they're telling you this is what it is, it's a matter of rehearsals. Yeah. But technical. Yeah, it's more technical. But obviously, originating was months of the process.

Head Overhouse was 2019. 2018. 2018. So, like, what are you, what is like the essence of that process for you that, like, was so wonderful? It was, it was terrible. I hated it. It was really, really difficult. And it was like one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.

Yes. Because, I mean, originally I'm in a musical. Yes, yes. Oh my God. It was like, you know, I think the hardest part for me was where it was like in this unstable. It was in this position where we're doing previews like you're performing it every night for an audience. So like you're doing it. But it's not locked in yet.

It's not stable. And then that's the moment where they can make changes. during the preview process. And so, like, there would be times where they were like, okay, you're on tonight. It's, you're on in 10 minutes. Remember that song that we wrote, like, two weeks ago? We're going to try that.

So put that in, and your monologue is out, but change the first word and go. And you're like, oh, my God. Oh, yeah. You know, and I was like, very much like Beyonce, like, on stage, and I made it work somehow. But then the satisfaction of, which is, honestly, after the show closed,

there were people like that were saying, we're going to do the show and we want to know like what you're what what what you put into it or like what the original thought was in your character and and we want to honor something like you not something like you but like we want to honor like the thing you did the approach yeah that you took and we want we and it's important for us in our little high school in nebraska to find a trans person to play this that's amazing that would have never happened yeah you know fuck that's the coolest so then the legacy is what makes like yeah it worth it right because you God, what you're describing does sound.

It was hell. It was like, oh my God, I hate this. Because do they even say a previews anymore? Like, hey, everyone. No, they do. And they charge the same price. It's capitalism. They're just like, here it is.

It's another version of the show. And we can get away with making changes if we need to. But like, you're basically seeing the show. So we're going to charge you the same price. And I have paid upwards of certain amount of money to see shows. And I'm like, oh, you guys just didn't run the lights, I guess. Yeah. didn't didn't think we should have like a lighting design it's just like that song i just

we're just not able to hear it okay so that song we won't hear because there was no yeah sound if you stand up and clap at the end their job is done i guess well wouldn't be me after i've seen some of these things in previews and honestly then then i get bummed out because i hear later like oh wow yeah they really found it in previews they really turned it around it's like well i don't want to find it in previews it should be ready i paid the show prize for something that was Anyway, go see Titanic on Broadway because that is fun.

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, yeah, I loved Titanic this season. I loved Cats, the Jellicle Ball. Loved Lost Boys. Yeah, Lost Boys, Dog Day, and Cats were my favorite of the things that opened in this season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Love.

I mean, it just, it just feels wrong that you're not on Broadway. I agree. To me. But I, there's a show that I, I really... You don't have to say. You can say.

There's a show that I... The two devilish on your own. You can say. You can say. I really enjoyed doing workshops for a show. I don't know what the etiquette is. What were... Well, what was it?

What did you like about it? I did a workshop for a show. It was called... I can say what it was. It was Stage Mother, which was a movie in 2020, 2020, 2019, 2020. you know, about a small town mom who goes and forms a friendship and a kinship with the drag queens and the drag club.

And so I loved that show and the process and the people and I love you. Hopefully it'll come tomorrow if it does. I'm still here. I would say to all the college kids out there too, like they, if your school is offering you, you like like cheap tickets go go go see things it's the one thing i regret the most about being in college and like turning down the ticket yeah and just like having the opportunity like when i had like when i was like a student had a time to rush shows i never did that ever did that one time i rushed next to normal and we won and i got to see alice rippley and like all of them like major major and we sat i call them the lincoln seats problematically but we sat like in that little section where we

We were just like, sobbing, sobbing, sobbing back when I could cry. Pre-luxa-Pro. Do my Alice Ripley. My psycho pharmacologist and I. You don't know. You just can go.

Wow, you brought it back. Okay, anyway. Was Alice Ripley still? YouTube video is still up? Remember when she would just post things on YouTube? He was talking about it. No, there's one where she goes, two seconds long.

This is back, like, before. This is like original short-form content. it's just her in a dark room shitty MacBook camera circa 2009 this is all she says I'm only happy when it rains done

and then another one where she goes Twist twist twist twist twist The name of the game is the peppermint twist She just says She whisper sings peppermint twist And you're like this woman is One of our best Co-co bananas

I'm jealous because when I was in college and we like our, I went to AMDA. And our first, like the show that they gave us the tickets to was 1776. Oh. I was like, Saul Peter! That's crazy. It was terrible.

And we, I mean, Brent Spiner was in. I was like, oh my gosh, data from Star Trek. Oh, yeah. That was great. But like, it was not a good. It didn't give. It wasn't like, oh, I feel good about anything. I mean, right.

And he'd feel good about. the arts feel good about like slavery. Like nothing felt good at all. Nothing felt good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My girlfriend, her name was LaRae from New Jersey. And she was like, you know, she was serving Mariah Carey, like Italian Mariah Carey. And she had her like fur, fake fur, everything on in like this is 1998.

And I don't think she was used to a Broadway show. She, in the middle of, like the most quiet portion of the thing, sort of was like, Fuck this shit. And she got up and walked out of the theater. And we were like, can you do that? Luray. It was why I love Luray. I'm like, yes, bitch.

The answer is you can do that. Yeah. And she did. For a show like 1776, yes, you can. Yes, you can. And you shall. Fuck this shit. I want to do that.

Oh my God, I want to do that. That was basically us during Oppenheimer. Oh my gosh. We saw Oppenheimer once. Bowen and I saw it. What was that theater? It was the one on second act. It was Vail it's Cinemas.

Yeah, and so we were like, we were an hour of the way through. The bomb hadn't even gone off. And we basically-being drunk and yet another scene. I'm like, I can't watch this anymore. We left. The film won an Academy Award. For best picture. I was like, we could be next door.

Barbie's over by now. Barbie has ended. The bomb hasn't even gone off. What the hell are you doing here? It's a loud film. Just a loud. So loud. A loud end you can't hear it?

I tried. I was like, but people like this. What? They like all sorts of shit. Yeah. That's capitalism. Japanese people were right. They were like,

fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Did you all see sinners? Did you love it? Yes. Obviously. Oh my God. Yeah.

I was blown away because by that time they were sort of predicting him, but I love that he's an Academy Award winner now. Me too. And that that campaign just like represents like, oh, you can just be someone that people root for and then you'll win an Oscar. Yeah. Well, if you're good enough and you just, it's not about. You, when it's about the work and the performance, I think is a note everyone maybe you could take.

Yeah. Be in service to the work. That's what impresses people. Which is the antithesis of another Oscar campaign that was running at the scene. Correct. Correct. Which, you know, it's not a mistake the way these things shake out, especially when the season is long and people have a lot of time to think about it. You know what I mean?

I feel bad for the people that campaign for Oscars now because if you come out in festivals, that could start as early as like, what, June, July, August, September? wait to the entire almost a year. Okay, everybody, we need to discuss a vacation that is not just a vacation, it's a statement. Virgin Voyages, adults only, a child-free sanctuary at sea. You heard that right.

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and I have... No, I didn't go to that one. My first concert was Mariah, though, in 2000 at Radio City Musical. It was the Rainbow Tour. And that was really good stuff. But I have a Mariah thing. They've tracked my girl again.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey's time starts now. I don't think so, honey, yet another year. They had the chance to put Mariah in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They did not do that. You guys are disrespectful.

You don't have any rights making the decisions. I think the voting. body should be replaced. I think if you were to look at everyone in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Mariah is not there, it's a glaring omission. And the fact that you keep putting her up for it year after year after year, of course she doesn't give a fuck anymore because she knows not to put any investment into you. But while the rest of us out here are going to fight for her because she's like too

unbothered to fight for herself, fuck you. I want to see you in the streets if you voted for someone else other than Mariah for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Also, get out of my face with it's rock and roll. No, no, that is very broad. It is the Music Hall of Fame. It is the popular Music Hall of Fame. Also, she has affected every single genre.

You cannot listen to a modern female singer and not trace influence back to her. And yes, I am even talking about the cursive singers of today who did learn something from the way she writes songs. Because it is not just about her as a singer. It is about her as a songwriter and a holistic artist. Shame on you, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And I do think so, Honey, Mariah, forever. You know, we love you. We love you, Mariah.

That's one minute. Yes. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. And rock and roll comes from blues. 100%. It's, yep. I just think you can't listen to Mariah and in the year of our Lord 2026 play her like this now.

Go to her show and tell me you haven't been affected by every single word coming out of her mouth over your life. Like it's people do not put the respect on her name and it's crazy to call her underrated in the modern day. You know what? I agree. You're right. Like she definitely deserves her flowers for sure. But can I ask? Grammy awards in her entire career, only five.

Paltry. But can I ask if she were to be inducted, should she go to the ceremony? Should she accept? Yes, because I think one of the things she should say is I think it took you guys long enough. But also what I like about her is she's like this with the Grammys too. She puts no.

She gives them no power. You know what I mean? Like they've played with her and toy with her and they do it to Ariana now too. they treat Ariana as many Mariah Ariana with only three Grammy wins. No comment. It's crazy.

My sister has no comment. Well, it was just a really refreshing time. We literally saw Titanic off Broadway on Grammy Sunday a few years ago. And then we went to her apartment to watch the Grammys. And it was just, she just kind of watched it like, like a pure audience memory.

And like, oh my God, Victoria. Like she was just happy Victoria Monatian. She was just like happy for the night. But I was like, I can't imagine what this is like for you to be like. like, oh, look at like my peer group, like celebrating each other and being celebrated. But like you're like, she let nothing slip. And I was just kind of like just there for like a friend.

But I was like she, there must be some complicated feelings here. Well, yeah, because first of all, you know what I just rewatch? You remember for positions when she did the live, live vocals in that hill with the dome? Yes. Her vocals in that. And there's a point where she goes over to the loop machine and loops the beginning of position and then performs positions. this girl is just so gifted.

Like as a musician, the vocals are just so pristine. And again, songwriter just like Mariah, like whiz in the booth, but for some reason they don't want to give it to these girls. I think because they don't hold guitars. You think so? I think it's because they don't hold guitars and they don't sit behind pianos. Someone give them a guitar and have them hold it. I mean, come on.

I think there's a little bit of a thing there. There's a little bit of a bias towards someone who, it gives the perception of just singing, even if they hear again and again and again. Like there's some different way that they treat what they deem virtuosic musicians, and I think it has to do with the visual of them having an instrument.

I really do. Huh? Think about it. This will be Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. Are you ready? I'm ready. It's about tea.

His time starts now. I don't think so honey, when you put honey in your tea, you go, I want a little sweet note of flavor to this, right? But guess what? If there's a tea bag in there, how the fuck am I supposed to stir and mix in the honey without the string on the tea bag getting all wound up in my, let's say, spoon? Okay?

I know I'm talking to someone who's an expert who has her own kettle, who brings her own beautiful glass pot. She'll have an answer for this. You're supposed to, maybe there's like a little steeper thing that you put the leaves in, your loose leaf in, and it filters through that. But then little shards of leave go in your tea. And then I just want like a nice, unfussy tea. experience where I'm not unwinding a helix of tea bag string from my spoon. So many bits and bobs.

I just, I don't know if we'll ever figure it out. I would love for the corporations, if there are of any fucking use. Fuck this shit. They better, they better figure out a way to make my tea experience. Not a,

damn puzzle. I don't want to be solving a Rubik's cube. And that's one minute. It shouldn't be a Rubik's cube tea. I'm, I'm solving. a Rubik's Q when I drink the thing. It shouldn't be like that.

What do you have to say? It's capitalism's fault. Yes. Listen, the companies were, are incentivized to have everyone having an individual cup of tea that they can charge you either for the bag or for the cup, not for the pot. Usually, you would always historically brew a pot of tea that you would pour into service into cups. And then you would have nothing in the water and you put in your condiments, your flavorings,

your sugars, whatever you need in there. and there's nothing in there. Tea bags kind of change that. Oh my God, you're so right. You know? Wow. I would say go back to that if you can.

And you are right about infusers, the little balls that you put in. Yes, yes, yes. They haven't really been updated that much because a tea bag took that idea and turned it into your own personal one. And so it got halted in time. But they did a lot less blends back in the day

because they had a lot less access to like teas from all over the world to make some, you know, you know, boutique blend. It was just like, here's some leaves, put it in a thing. And so they didn't, they weren't necessarily spiny ground. And so they didn't have to worry about them coming out of the ball.

The whole. But now the mesh ones that are the more updated versions are definitely better. You won't get a lot of loose leave. Do you have this at home? I do have. You were cooking just now. You have a doctorate in tea. I can't believe it. And that is the title of app. Doctorate in tea. Darling.

God, I better go get a real doctorate in tea now. Pepperman MD. Heya. Medical doctoress. Do you have something? Yes, you do. You agree with you.

Oh, she has. I don't think so, honey, ready to go. I do. It's on my phone, though. Is that okay? It's no rules here. It's nonsense. It's ridiculous.

This is even a thing. This is a one. So this is Peps. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. Okay. Why is it okay to have a reputation for being dishonest and corrupt as a politician, honey? Voters wake up.

Today's corporate politicians. are corrupt and greedy and take bribes instead of protecting us. We have to shift away from celebrity and slogans and viral moments and support the platform, not the personality, honey. Just because the politician looks and acts and talks like you does not mean that they aren't taking corporate money. My dream is to elect some leaders who are black trans with bodies that break the mold, and I believe that we will.

But what we need is, sorry, but what good is it if they don't support the same, if they continue to support the same policies as the last guy, I would rather vote for someone who understands me and will fight for me, but doesn't look like me. 15 seconds. Or vote for me. Someone who looks like me will just leave me to fend for myself. I'm not having.

If we build a diverse community, community rooted in mutual protection and mutual aid where everybody understands and honors and material needs of one another, we can send someone to do the job and hold them accountable if they don't do it. So for this version of the Democrats, What I'm more focused on is taking corporate money from electoral politics. That's not going to save us, honey. I don't think so.

Period. Also, bring back shoulder pads. Bring back shoulder pads. It's actually plain as day if you do the work to find out what people are about. Yeah. And they want us to just kind of like go with the surface level of everything because people don't have the attention span. But you all heard, I don't know who it is in California, but somebody's running for office

in California who was like actually a. Republican, but running under a Democratic ticket. Oh, yeah. And so if you just go in and vote blue, no matter who, you're going to vote for this Republican. And they will get in and do the same thing in California that they're doing in all the red states in the South right now, like dismantling the voting rights. And so it has to be more, it can't just be skin folk is my kinfolk because we know that that doesn't work.

There's people that are on the take, people that are taking brides. The corporations have gotten to them and corrupted and tainted them. And now we have to find people who are actually focused on the material needs of each other. And all of the other things, identity is very important. As somebody's black and trans and femme, like, it is really important for me. But again, that's because I want to have access to health care. Yes. Yeah.

It is, like, you are marginalized as far as being, like, a constituent goes, right? But in terms of someone who is seeking power, I think we can all benefit from understanding where power comes from and what people do with that power. And there are some people who brandish the power in a way that is, like I was saying earlier, not what they're supposed to be doing. They are not supposed to be bragging about the fact that they have power. That's it. And openly talking about wanting to seek it and use it

and sort of misuse it. Because that's what politics is all about these days. We're going to fuck those people up. We're going to take their voting. We're going to buy me, get me 10 seats. What? Yeah. But I hope above all this, that catastrophe and the detriment

of what's happening to voting rights and the Voting Rights Act, in our country, but in the South, I hope that this inspires people to focus on abolishing the electoral college. That's what this. 100% per person. Let's have a direct democracy.

Let's try that. And also, let's stop talking about it and let's actually do it. Because you know what? How many times, I mean, whatever. It could get on a whole tangent about the disappointments that we've had to, you know,

wait to make a change and do something different and they just didn't because they never intended to. But what I really am heartened by is the genuine, and this is another, like, social media is tough in this regard, but people are really talking about what the truth really is in terms of where the money comes from, what is, what it's being used for. Like, and I just, I really, it's not like I'm excited for the breakdown of all the systems that we have because it means it's going to be mess, mess, mess, but it needs to happen. And it's happening.

And I'm just really excited and heartened by so many of the election results that we see. I mean, it looks promising, but we have to just keep saying these things. It's worth another. And our politicians should be learning from us. We don't need our politicians to show us the way. We will show them the way. It's really about what we need as a community. That's what they're supposed to go and do.

That's it. Another thing, too, is just like, it's like you see Democrats pretend to listen to their constituents. It's like in those videos on Capitol Hill where you see the Republican running away from the constituent. It's like, you know, some of the Democrats that are pretending to listen, it's like they might as well be running away. At least the fucking Republican is like, yeah, he's running away because he don't give a fuck. You know he doesn't care. You know she doesn't care. You know Susan Collins doesn't care.

You know what I mean? Like, it's like, that's what retail politics is. I'm going to get on your level and I'm going to be really good at pretending to promise you everything. That's what that is. that's acting. And then, you know, it's... It's theatrics. I discovered that when I went to D.C.

to lobby on behalf of them not cutting, Congress not cutting funding for HIV services and medications and things like that. And it is just pure theatrics. It is just like transactional and theatrics. And how well they can act like something. Y'all, it's more theatrical than you think. That's why they call it Hollywood for ugly people.

I dated a guy who was, who was, who was like in worked in news and he goes to me well you know they don't do anything on purpose he's like you know they deadlock on purpose because if there's no drama on the hill if there's no back and forth

then they don't have they can't raise money exactly there's no reason for them to be voted for there's no issues for them to fight about and stand on they don't have brands it's like this it's like okay oh my gosh you said you want a napkin here you go here's your napkin here's your napkin oh you don't well I guess you'll have to

can you give me more money and raise more money? We'll do it again next time. For 40 years. Bitch, pick up the napkin and give it. Yeah. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. Wait, Lerre?

Leray. Shout out to Leray. This is stuck with, this is sticky for me. Leray and her fur. Fuck this shit. Fuck this shit. She stood up. She grabbed her purse and she was out.

Fuck this shit is also a front runner for title of it. Yeah, pretty good. Um, we absolutely love you. We're so, like, proud to that you've come on the show and that when we see you, you're always kicking ass and just evolving and just making everyone just feel a little bit more optimistic and informed and entertained. So you really are just one of the greats. Fucking legend for all time.

Um, see at the March. Love you. It's a bit of fun day. Drink the tea. And tune into Netflix for Survive the Thickets on in a week. on July. July 2nd. We even talk about Michelle Butchow.

Anyway. It's politics. It's tea. It's television. It's all of it. All right. And we end every episode with the song. And you don't remember.

How are you still hold me? Mariah. Okay, we'll start. Wait, what song is that, though? And you don't remember. Oh, well, you went for a deep cut. I know, I know. I went for a deep cut.

I don't know why. Dang. What happened? I don't think I remember that album. That's from emotions. Oh, wow. Anyway, okay, wow, I have deeper cut maria than you do. Listen, just because maybe it's because of my stone or brain.

Let's just do this one. I pick a bit. You got the best of me, but I just keep on coming back in Sicily. Oh, why? Did you have to run your game on me? I should have known right from the start you'd go and break my heart. Give me your love. Give me your love.

Lost Culture Recess is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and Iheart Radio Podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becker Ramos. Edited by Hot Dog Sandwich. And our music is by Henry Kvarski. Joy is essential and it's also elusive. But now there's a new and exciting way to start your journey toward a more joyful existence.

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Many surprises. Welcome to the Sweet 305 podcast where the group check comes to life. What? You're the only person I know that loves a yellow starburst. It's lemonade. This is Sweet 305. Here, oversharing is encouraged.

Listen to Sweet 305 with Lele Pons on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. You heard it, now see it. Las Culturistas is now available with video episodes for free on the IHeart. app. Watch full episodes from start to finish all on the free IHeart app.

Hear the voices you know. Now see the moments you missed. Open the Iheart radio app, search Las Culturistas, and Clay, watch or tap. June is Black Music Month, and on the Drink Chams podcast, we're speaking with the hottest names in the culture, like Sway Lee. Do you realize how legendary you are? I appreciate that. I'd be seeing it, but I'm like, man, I still got like so much more to do.

Like Prince, he dropped like 30 albums. We job like five right now. That's the rate we got to be going. Yep, that's a good attitude. No matter the era, Drink Chams brings you the biggest names and the most unfiltered conversations. Listen to Drink Chams from the Black Effect Podcast Network

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