Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "RSVP Yes" (w/ Allison Williams)

Episode Date: July 2, 2025

Matt + Bowen high key make a friend in ALLISON WILLIAMS, who comes armed to the pod with I Don’t Think So Honeys aplenty. She’s here to discuss her *many* contributions to culture! The three chat about embodying Marnie in GIRLS and shooting landmark “bottle” episodes of the show, singing in flight and on television as PETER PAN, and subverting expectations with GET OUT. Also,  the importance of projects like FELLOW TRAVELERS and being overwhelmed by gorgeous gay men on that set, teaming up with the one and only Megan for MEGAN 2.0, navigating a relationship with ChatGPT as a mom, and Allison’s upcoming podcast with her best friends. All this, being equally star struck by Meredith Marks and Julie Andrews, Shelley Duvall fully committing to the bit in Faerie Tale Theatre, Joan Rivers on Sesame Street, the power of Harrison Ford as Han Solo, and just not being a Burning Man type, which is okay! Go see MEGAN 2.0 in theaters now!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Why? Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture?

Yes. Goodness. Wow. Las cultureistas. Ding dong. Las cultureistas happen. And here's the thing. Happened.

Happened. We're keeping it. Did I say that? Lost Colterices, I think the reason why I did that is because the thing that you don't know is that Lost Colterices has been happening. It's been happening. Oh, that's beautiful.

What a great spin. Thank you. I'm getting good at the spin the more I'm in the biz. No, I literally hit the ground. Yeah, yeah. Boots on the ground, got to the studio. There's something about our guest that activates a gay man in his 30s.

Oh baby, let me tell you something. The way I was up at seven, I actually woke up and kind of shot out of the bed. You woke up at seven too? How's your jet lag by the way? I think I'm okay. You need, not sponsored, Time Shifter. You need Time Shifter.

What is that? Oh, is that the app? That's my JetLock app. Okay, you know what I did do at NightQuill. Mmm. And that actually so- Roll of the dice. It was a roll of the dice,

but I mean I slept for at least a hard six and a half. Great. But that doesn't even compare to what happened to our guests. Right, oh. I think she said three hours, 15 minutes, 20 minutes, three and a half hours, because the world premiere of Megan 2.0 was last night. Cause the world premiere of Megan 2.0 was last night. Cause the world premiere of Megan 2.0 was last night.

I was privileged enough to watch it from the comfort of my own home. Oh my God. With Sudi Green. Oh you did? And we were both like, this is. It's art. This is fucking artful.

There's a moment, there's so many things that I want to spoil that I can't. But there's just a moment, I'll say, there is a moment that pays tribute to an important musical artist. And it's sublime. You're gonna have to tell me after. I'll tell you after.

No, I actually can't tell you because you- Okay, all of you, this is a call to action. Everyone listening needs to- Go to the theater now. Go to the theater now. Our guest goes to me, do you think people are gonna go? I was like, girl, of course they're gonna go.

Here's the thing, if I went to a horror movie in the theater, which I did for the first one, Formative Memory, then you know people are going. Like if me and Matt Rogers went to a horror film, and I'm working myself up from this one, and this is the thing about our guest, bona fide scream queen. Bona fide screamide scream Queen I said it deserved Oscar nomination for get out 1000 I said that movie like obviously works for many reasons

But one of the key components is the fact that our guest's performance is so good Perfect casting perfect perfect like and just like the niche that we found here And obviously we haven't even said the word Marnie yet. The best character in television history. One of the great characters. Fuck you Tony Soprano. Fuck you Tony Soprano. You could never have sung stronger like that.

You could never have left the checkpoints go by like that, like Marnie. You could never have had a Panic! in Central Park episode. You were too self-conscious to ever be Marnie. You know what? Line read kind of like, pings pings in my head?

What? I'm Magita. Magita Perez. Magita Perez is here! Please welcome to the ears, Magita Perez, aka, Elton Williams! Hi! Hey guys, I'm laughing so hard in my C-section.

No! Please don't rip open. In a good way, it's old now. Hi. Hi. This is the thing, immediate warm vibes towards you and that makes me so happy. I literally feel like I've known you for years.

I've also been listening for years. You are my culture. It's surreal to be here. I almost forgot that I was gonna participate cause I'm just watching what I watch all the time. You're the namesake of our award. You really are. You're the Alison Williams Cool Girl Award.

How do you feel about this? I have a question for you about this. Yeah, okay, cool. Okay, it's obviously an honor and it's also- Confusing. Yeah, because I'm like, well, the whole bit is that I'm not cool. And so it's like a very- No, no.

It's a real bullseye of a, and Angie Kay as a recipient is like an honor beyond belief as a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City fanatic. I just can't, these guys know, I already told them I met Meredith last night. You guys. And you had the same reaction as Bowen Yang at the Fire Island premiere, which was-

I tried to stop talking to her because I was like, I can't, my system isn't ready for, no one prepared me, no one was like, just so you know, you may also have to have a reserve amount of energy to interact with Meredith Marks at this event. No one can prepare you for meeting Meredith Marks It's actually real culture. Number three. No one can prepare you for meeting Meredith marks It's just gonna happen one day Even if I had had all the time in the world, right? No, this is the thing about the Allison Williams cool girl award

It's about it's about iconography. Yeah, it's about being a symbol and can I tell you it's that's what I think it means and that's why Angie Kay wanted is Because she I think came into the came into the lexicon as one thing and then Superceded that and I feel like when we met you as Marnie like we all kind of like had a reaction right because Marnie Every action that was don't be a Marnie in your old apartment Don't be a Marnie in your old apartment. Bowen Yang. I had to remind him about that. I can't believe that.

You know what, you wanna know why I remembered that sign? I can't believe you're dropping this. Bowen Yang had a sign that said, Don't be a Marnie as you left. Which my roommate Mike Spence wrote. It was really his thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you wanna know why I remembered it?

Cause I always forgot. I always forgot not to be a Marnie. But the thing is- Listen, we can't avoid it sometimes. Do you feel this way though? I'm sure you feel this way. I'm sure you feel this way. I'm sure you feel this way. There is something about Marnie that is like,

all of us have this urgency, this like danger around not being Marnie because we all are. That is the thing. I made these mugs for the last season of the show as gifts and I made one for each character. And like it was, I'm a Jessa, it's fabulous. And I'm a show shit to OMG.

And the one for Marnie was I'm a Marnie, it's a bummer. And everyone who got them, I gave them to the people who felt like Marnies. And they were like, yeah, thank you. It was like, I mean, yeah. So that was the vibe. I think it was too close. Gen Z is like, she's self, she's self care.

She's got boundaries. They have like new vocabulary for this. And Millennial. Gen Z is like, she's self care, she's got boundaries. They have like new vocabulary for this. And Millennial, we were just like, we can't, it's too close, like looking into the sun, I can't look at this person right now. It's too much. It's too much. Another thing was like, I think it took me

about a season and a half to realize that Marnie was like, I think I was like, because like you get, you join the show and it's like, there's Hannah being Hannah and she's like a mess and she's the protagonist and you start the show with a job, with a boyfriend and then things crumble away. So it took me a second, as did everyone else, to realize like, oh Marnie is the mess character

and I had already latched onto her a different way. So we were like, it's sort of a Carrie Bradshaw-esque thing of like, don't do that, we're not that. What do you mean? We're not doing that. You have clean lines. You know how to do your hair. And then all of a sudden she's singing strong.

She's singing stronger and it's like, oh. At someone else's office party, uninvited. But I couldn't laugh at it at the time because it was too close. Now every single Marnie line is a laugh line. That makes me so happy. It's honestly like, what a pleasure. It was so fun to do the first time around

and now I get to talk about it as if I'm like actively promoting it, as if it's airing currently. Right. It's so fun. What do you make of this like, re-resurgence of girls? It's the best. I think it's a little bit of what I was describing to you. Like there's enough distance.

First of all, our version of New York City is like all we were worried about was like rent, roommates, boyfriends. There wasn't like existential. I mean, there were people having existential fears and that was one of the criticisms of the show. We did not display that experience of living in New York City at the time. Right. Lena wrote what she knew, which was like those that level of problem. There is now we live in such a hell that there is such an aspirational quality to

being like the biggest thing I'm worried about is rent and boyfriend Yeah, yeah, I need another gallery job exactly And am I into art history and Taylor loft and like all of those questions Yeah, and not like can I stay in this country right you know those kinds of questions are or like do people recognize that? I'm a human yeah, but that's the world writ small, which is what we love about New York. Exactly, exactly. But I really do think it feels now, in a way that it felt so real and grungy

that people found it hard to watch. I think it now feels almost aspirationally low stakes. 100%. Just human level conflict. Yeah. Yeah, I remember at the time feeling like, wow, this show really sees the reality and now I'm like Whoa, the show really saw the reality of like having that sort of like I guess like Obama core Obama era Aspiration like thinking you are one thing but so being another you cannot see yourself because that's really what the four of them were They were just examples of not being able to see yourself in that environment and us being like I guess fresh NYU grads

Like living in those areas exactly just the and I don't mean sweaty isn't like I mean literally sweaty vibes of the show Yeah, not knowing how to take care of your like body 100% like or anything like not knowing to drink water and just like a new person. Yes Yeah, I feel like it was it was so fun to make and it was really intense Obviously for a lot of reasons it was a loud show like every episode that aired this is I'm gonna spoil one of my I don't Think so, honey The lack of monoculture. I miss it.

But here's one of the things that was hard about it to ruin it and to discount my own. I don't think so, honey, is that it was, if you were part of the thing that the whole media sphere was focused on, and that doesn't make for a monoculture, but it felt like it for sure, is a really intense experience.

You have like every journalist at Jezebel and Gawker like every Monday morning writing an article about the episode that you had, and it was more fun and cool to be mean about it. So that Monday was like a very intense day of the week when Girls was airing for all of us. Not a similar experience, only in the sense that dunking on a show that you're on

is like immediately after it airs is part of the SNL experience. And it's just more fun to be like mean and rude. And everyone talks. And like where the good old days and somehow like the good old days are always not currently happening. And it's a perfect show and you're so fucking good on it. Oh my God, stop that.

Wait, what are you talking about? You're talking about me? Yeah. No, no, no. I wasn't even registering that, but I- Take it. It's just this thing where it's like, everyone thinks of the highlight reel.

Everyone's thinking of the old HBO days of your- Yes. Compilations or whatever. You know, like the way that we were consuming things was more monocultural and now it's like, whatever. I'm not saying anything new, but I mean, you must feel nice to have the patina on girls be like, wow, what a gorgeous sculptural thing.

Yes. And also it's already like it is there and it can't, we can't do anything to it anymore. And so it's like for all its flaws and everything that makes it iconic, like it is just what it is. And the fact that people like my, my cousin who's exactly 10 years younger than me, it hit her at 23. She finally, I was like, fine, you can watch it. And I'll be able to make eye contact with you. And she was like, fine, you can watch it, and I'll be able to make eye contact with you, and she was like, this show is everything to me. I was like, that's fascinating. We have so little in common in terms of what your 23 looks

like physically and superficially with Marnie's, but the themes are the same of who am I, what do I want, all of those kind of existentially things. And Lena just, I don't know how, was able to write it while she was living it, which is crazy. That's what I can't, yeah. True vision.

Didn't need perspective. Yeah, true vision. Just fully putting into it. True vision and perspective. Didn't need distance. Yes, no. Just like in it, but still being able to see it is crazy. With a reading glasses, like was able to write this thing

rather than, you know, like. Were you guys improvising on set? Is she? We did like Judd Apatow was the EP. We had we did use that sometimes, especially in ensemble scenes. We would use improv to like loosen up the scene. Maybe we'd get there and we'd read through it once verbatim, like sitting down and then we'd get up and people would just throw stuff in. And then we were constantly getting pitched alts during the shoot.

So people there at the punch line, you just rotate through proper nouns or whatever. And so that was really fun. And also my, as we already discussed, improv a little bit, my only skill. So I was like, this is thrilling. I can use the only literal training I have is improv comedy and it comes up in my first job.

Like what could be dreamier than that? Was I am never coming back to Bushwick in the script? Great question. I think so. I'm literally looking at you and I'm remembering like so many, like when he slapped you in that, in the crack accident, which was another,

again, like how many, there's a number of iconic episodes. He slaps you, you walk away. I am never coming back to Bushwick. Like that was the problem. I wanna look. I have all the drafts of the scripts in my inbox somewhere. I need to look and see if it was in there. Yeah.

My query is Beach House episode. Season four. Show Shira mean drunk, Marnie. It's crazy. What's that? No. I think that feels improvised. Yes!

That feels improvised. We do it all the time. We quote it all the time. We just say it's crazy. The way Marnie Michaels, Alison Williams does it. I mean, crazy. It's our hyphenated, fore's crazy. The way you, the way Marty Michaels, Alison Williams does it. I mean, crazy. It's our hyphenated, forenamed self. Yes, yes, yes.

Also, like, that's, I guess, that's not a bottle episode, obviously, because it's everyone, but like, but that show perfected the bottle episode. And you can't talk about bottle episodes on television in general without talking about the panic in Central Park, which was such, not only, yeah, honestly, round of applause.

Thank you. Thank you so much. I saw you speak about this the other day. It is so much more impactful later when you watch it, having had that person where you're walking along the street and you see them and your heart falls through the floor. I've had this experience and I watched the episode again. It had me on my back.

Like, it was like, can you just talk about that episode, like specifically, like what it felt to get it? Did you know it was coming? Lena had mentioned it, but sometimes in the process of writing a season of a show, like the plans changed. I was a SoulCycle, Marnie was a SoulCycle instructor for a season

and that ended up getting cut out of the show. So like I just learned to, listen, I was done with it. She, I trained, I like went to to double classes at SoulCycle. This is peak SoulCycle in New York City. Yeah, I remember, it was a thing. I can't remember why, it was the season that Chris Abbott left and so we were scrambling

to come up with what Marie's storyline was because he left really, really close to starting to shoot. I don't love you and I never loved you. Well, listen. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that is, so what I was just gonna say about that episode is that I hadn't seen Chris really since he left the show.

Wow. So there was a kind of meta element to shooting Panic Central Park. Wow. Because we didn't have, I didn't like reach out to him to be like what happened, because we were all like scrambling and then going into production.

So there just wasn't a closure conversation. He hadn't bought pizza ingredients, but it was still very abrupt. And so when we were back together making this episode together, there was just this energy of what happened? And also, we all felt like he left, we felt rejected. I mean, it wasn't that serious and heavy,

but it was very easy to be like, to have that energy in there. Even though that wasn't something I had experienced yet, other than like on a college campus where of course, you're gonna run into your exes, you're expecting it. But on like the street corner with his like new friends and new accent, and new facial hair, and new just new energy and smell and everything.

Like that was something that was aided hugely by the fact that we hadn't seen him. I mean, we'd all been in touch with him in some superficial way, but we hadn't physically had him in our presence in the girls' world since the end of season two, I guess. Wow. So then you guys do this episode together and...

Yeah. Well, what I was saying is that, like, so the plans change for seasons sometimes. So I didn't try... I tried not to get too excited about the idea of it, but when Lena mentioned that, I was such a fan of One Man's Trash and like all of our and like the best the North Fork episode as well. Like I just was the idea of doing a bottle episode was so exciting. But I was like, don't get too excited. Things happen. Stories, you know, whatever.

And then it got there and she sent it to me and I was like, this is extraordinary. It really was. And Richard was directing. And I love Richard. And I was so excited to do it. And it felt like we made is extraordinary. It really was. And Richard was directing, and I love Richard. And I was so excited to do it. And it felt like we made a short film in New York over the course of a seven day shoot, I think. I was gonna ask how long. I think seven days of shooting in New York.

But a thousand percent it's a short film. It's just, it's completely artful and whatever. It's, God, I love that episode. So I think my favorite, my favorite in the series. It's amazing as its own piece, and also as an installment, it's so important. I mean, and every character kind of had that, obviously Shoshana in Japan, Jessa with that,

that gorgeous episode with her father. I'm the child. Like, you know what I mean? Like that, and also the episode with Matthew Reese. Oh my gosh. That ends with Rihanna Desperado. No, that's probably the single episode I've seen the most because it's just this like gorgeous little play and they're so brilliant together and I will say I miss Lena on screen.

I know. I miss Lena on screen so much. My favorite performance of hers from the entire show is in the diner with Adam. Oh God. It like makes me want to cry thinking about that scene between the two of them when they're making plans and they both know It's not gonna happen. She is so so good And also when she said in I think it was the end of the first season or when she goes she goes to Adam and she goes You are very charming and I can't be around you anymore Yeah, and she knocks on the door and then he ends up pulling her in and she's like god you can't be around you anymore. It feels shitty for me. They're on the street, I think. Yeah, and she knocks on the door, and then he ends up pulling her in,

and she's like, God, you can't be doing this. This is not what I want. I need to end this. But that push-pull, that pure attraction to this odd guy, to this weird thing, the weirdest fuckboy in Brooklyn. Casting, I have to say, casting was one of the superpowers on that show.

Andrew Rannells, baby. So, I mean, who improvised a line, your dad is gay, which became. Ah! That was the moment. Which became like a huge storyline. Of course. In the whole show, it was an improvised line.

All adventurous women do. All adventurous women do. That has to be top five. The episode name, your encyclopedic knowledge of the names of these episodes is so impressive. This is our favorite show. Like, this is our favorite show. It's so hard.

It probably comes up the most on this podcast of any other television series. It is, I show. No, like this is our favorite show. It's so hard. It probably comes up the most on this podcast of any other television series. It is, I mean, listen, I love listening to your show and it gives me, I get nervous every time, but you do bring it up a lot. It's a jump scare for you. It is, because you probably have that experience too. You guys, both people mentioned,

last college people mentioned, like all of the stuff you guys do. It's a different experience. When people mention it, when you're alone in your house folding laundry and you're like, I've been invoked, do I pause it, am I scared? When you become a reference, which is odd,

when you become something that someone can point to and it feels like something. Well, that's when you've made it. I mean, it has to be close to the top of the rules of culture, I would say. Oh, sure. When you're a reference. That's when you've made it.

What rule of culture, what number is that, Allison? I don't get to, we don't get to see that. Yes, you do. You just pick a number. It feels like one. Yeah, I was gonna say it felt like one. It feels like one, cause it's self-referential. Okay, it's rule of culture number one.

When you become a reference, that's when you know you made it. It's true. Thank you. So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond.

And left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline, I think in the New York Daily News, it's, Teddy escapes, blonde drowns. And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president? Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death

and how the Kennedy machine took control. And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal. The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family. Listen to United States of Kennedys on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Maybe you've heard that Stonewall was a riot where queer people fought back against police, or that it's the reason Pride is celebrated this time of year. It was one of the most liberating things that I have ever done. But did you know that before it went down in history, the Stonewall was a queer hangout run by the mafia? The voguing at Stonewall was unbelievable. In the summer of 1969, it became the site that set off the modern movement for LGBTQ plus rights. Started banging on the door of the Stonewall like one boom, boom, boom. Legend says Marsha P. Johnson, a mother in the fight for trans

rights, threw the very first brick. She was really like scrubbed out of that history. This week on Afterlives, we'll separate the truth from the myth in the life of Marsha P. Johnson. Listen to Afterlives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Show me how good it can get today, God, and show the rest of the world what we already know. It can't get no better than being hella Black, Hella Queer, and Hella Christian. My name is Joseph Rees. I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian, a fully black,

fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast that explores society, culture, and the intersections of faith and identity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian to hear conversations about what it means to sound the way you look. I think what I've had to make peace with is that every iteration of my voice is given to me by God and I love it. Books that validated our identity. The library now for me is a safe space as someone who is writing books that they're trying to take off of shelves. And how we as black queer folks relate to our Christianity.

Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi everyone, it's Janaye, aka Cheeky's, from Cheeky's and Chill Podcast. And I'm launching an all new mini podcast series called Sincerely Janee. Sure, I'm a singer, author, businesswoman and podcaster, but at the end of the day, I am human. And that's why I'm sharing my ups and downs with you guys. Hi guys.

I was sitting here recording episodes of Dear Cheeky's and Cheeky's and Chill and I just had to take a time out and purge my thoughts and feelings here on Sincerely Janaye because I've been so emotional lately you guys. Whether I'm in my feels, I've just had a breakthrough with my therapist, or I've just had a really deep conversation with my siblings, or I'm in glam getting ready for an award show, I'm sharing my most intimate thoughts with you on the podcast. You guys know I always keep it real with you guys, but this time I'm taking glam getting ready for an award show. I'm sharing my most intimate thoughts with you on the podcast. You guys know I always keep it real with you guys, but this time I'm taking it to the next level.

Listen to Cheeky's and Chill on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Also, can we say in terms of casting Rita Wilson as your mother? I love her so much. I'm about to see her in like two days. I really crazy about her Yes, and the fact that she's in Lena's show with Andrew I'm so excited and Meg who I'm obsessed with she's basically playing well, I don't know

I haven't seen the show but based on the trailer. This is like sort of Lena's Arc into London because she just like made an exodus. She was like I need I need a new stomping grounds Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm excited. I just really want to see, not that, and that has to be another thing is it's like, you set a certain bar for something you do and like that's another thing with you. It's like, there's the followup.

So you have girls, you have Marnie, it has this cultural impact. And then you're a part of not one, but two, like other like big culture moments, like get out. Like I would imagine you get to be like a little choosy after girls, but like what was getting that? Did you feel that way or was that not the case? It was a combination of things.

I was getting sent essentially Marnie in different situations, like scripts, and they just weren't as good as girls. I was like all respect to the things you guys, that people were writing and sending, I am doing the best, Lena is so talented, these writers are so good, I'm kind of so spoiled about this type of character

in this situation. And then the other things that I was going for were too different and people couldn't picture me in those roles, because we were so aligned with our characters. So then I was like, they were like, do you want to play Peter Pan on live television? I was like, why the fuck not?

Yes, I do, as a matter of fact. Do I wanna fly towards Christopher Walken with a sword? Yes, I do, absolutely. For three hours on live television, uh-huh. Wow. I do. So I did that. And then, just because I grew up loving Peter Pan, I was like, this will be such a fun, insane challenge.

And it was like one of the most gratifying experiences of my life. See, and that's like- Full earnest. You have to. You have to. You cannot. I'm C have to. You can't. I'm Cringe Mountain. You can't wink at your Peter Pan. You're committing to being like a kind of genderless

but boy, pixie haired, like flying magic person. And you're like, yeah, I can't like be ironic about this. Like I am full commitment. And that in and of itself was like its own kind of lesson that kind of prepared me for the genre stuff that was to come. Cause you have to fully just commit to it and forget what genre you're in. Yeah, but so after Peter Pan I Kind of helped dislodge them or anything, but it was still very very sticky Meanwhile Jordan Peele had been watching girls saw me do Peter Pan was like

She'll do anything. Yeah, I'm in I'm into it reached out and was like you have this vibe people just trust you You have this brown hair and these blue eyes and people just believe that you're who you are and they will take 15 seconds with you on screen and just go with you for the whole movie. Yeah, when you say babe, it's gonna be fine, they trust you. I need you.

And I was like, this is exact, we have exactly aligned interests in this situation. And I read the script and I remember calling my publicist at the time and being like, this is an Oscar movie. And she's like, this poor girl is so spoiled from girls. She thinks everything she does is gonna be an awards contender. And I was like, no, seriously, it is.

And she was like, it's a race, it's a race horror movie. Like, come on, first time director, $4.5 million budget. Like, you're very spoiled, but we'll see. We'll see how it goes. And she was very supportive, obviously, but you know, trying to prepare me for like actual movie making,

because it was my first movie. And so then I We go and make the movie we I worked heavily with Jordan to like make roses evil as we possibly could Including coming up with the idea of like kind of splitting her in half and having her playing a character for most of the movie Yeah, and it did this incredible thing Which is that it used the stickiness of Marnie that I was having so much trouble shaking against the audience. It was like, okay, if you're gonna think of me in this way anyway, then I'm gonna use that

to propel the story of this movie and help the twist of it. And then from that moment, the moment people saw me on screen, they didn't trust me anymore. They were immediately like, I don't know where, I don't feel comfortable looking at your face anymore. I feel uncertain about if I can trust you. Like the association switched and then I got to play with that,

invoking that in people. And so since then pushing me into thriller and the kind of hyphenate genres has been like the greatest gift because I've just been able to like let go of so many things and also just play with expectations and yeah, all of it. But your willingness to like subvert those expectations into like fruit loops, looking at the keys,

like, you know, like it's, that's, that is to bring it back, that's Alison Williams Schoolgirl Award. You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm starting to get it. That's what we're talking about. I will by the end of the episode maybe fully understand the category.

I've heard you talk about it every time. I just am still like piecing it together. The times we've talked about it, how has it been? Like, I feel like it's only ever like this activating thing where we're like, oh my God, yes, there literally is no one cooler and looks for you. We're obsessed with you. I guess I really can't accept that, honestly.

It's like, I can't accept it. Well, you don't have to accept it. I'm RSVP-ing maybe to this compliment. You don't have to accept it. Every talk show appearance, I've seen, it's crazy. It's crazy in the words of Marnie Michaels. It's just like, this is what Jordan's talking about. It's like something about this girl.

You see her, you trust her, she takes you with her. And that is kind of like the comfort. You see her, you trust her, she takes you with her. And that is kind of like the comfort. It's like anytime you've like answered these like weird thorny questions about being on Girls, about all these other things, it's like, I'm like, oh, this girl knows, like, this girl gets something.

Not a lot of actors would sort of lament like the thing that they've been like sort of pigeonholed into immediately after this role that they're so associated and aligned with to then be like I'm gonna fuck with this to my advantage And let it jettison me into something different Well, it was so it was such a happy coincidence because I just so happened that I was looking for something exactly like that and Jordan Needed it was like we just needed each other and I was also like, yeah It was and I just felt like I want I also Don't want I want to make her so evil-y

that I don't want her to be any, people still did this by the way, but I didn't want there to be any excuse for her. Because I just know people love to excuse the behaviors of a white girl just like me. And there's that moment where it's like, he's deciding whether or not he's gonna kill her or not. And you as the audience are like,

should he kill her or not? And you in the audience are like, should he kill her or not? And you in that moment are making a real case for staying alive. I switch back into the other mode. I mean, it's a great performance. So I went to a screening of it in Sun Valley and I'll love to Sun Valley. It's gorgeous, but that audience was very different

from the other ones I'd watched the movie with. And the reactions in the audience to that sequence in the finale were very different than the ones in every other theater where it was, let's just say it was a teaching moment in the audience. People were learning some stuff about their knee-jerk reaction to the blue and red flashing lights and a black van over a white woman who's on the ground

and all those things. But yeah, that movie was like, the other thing that movie taught me was that it's possible to, I mean, I knew this already from like Rosemary's Baby, but I'm a wimp. I can't see horror movies at all. I never ever imagined this scenario. I have to watch horror movies on planes,

ambient activity, full light, like not great sound. On really low volume. Really low volume. Because of the sudden sounds, right? And honestly, the more of them I make, it's kind of exposure therapy because I'm learning about camera angles and sound cues. I'm starting to avoid the jump scares

because I know what they're doing. It'll help, I promise. Because it peels back, it's just helpful. It makes you more literate in the whatever. So I never expected this and I knew it was possible, but merging a serious theme that would typically be dealt with in a capital D drama, but putting it into a horror, thriller, comedy packaging, I was like, this is a drug packaging. I was like this is a drug. Yeah

professionally, this is a drug like experience because I am so Enjoying the experience of talking about race like on panels and stuff with the get-out like crew and cast Yeah, it's real shit Yeah, and then also like sitting through a screening where I could sit outside the theater and based on the laughs I would know where we were in the movie. Yeah. And it was like such an awesome combination. And like Megan was able to replicate that experience

because it took AI and kids and put it in this weird packaging. And I was like, this is the same thing. It's this conversation my friends are having like quietly and worried and privately about their own parenting. Like, I'm worried about my kid and technology and stuff. And just like made it bigger than life and like put it in camp and fun. And then after the fun has worn off, people are like, but really, like, what are we?

What are our plans? I was like, again, like I was like brushing back up on exactly what it was about. And I was like, wow, this is very prescient. It's about the this, you know%. And how we just allow our children to be taken care of by technology sometimes. Like now when I see a kid on a plane with a tablet, I'm just like, that kid has autonomy in the way that, not for nothing,

but we did when the internet was starting way back when. And how many times did we put ourselves in bad positions? AOL, Catalyst, excuse me. 100%. Yes, I, okay, so many things. One, I did not mean to segue us into Megan prematurely unless we were ready to go there.

That's what makes you third co-host of ours. No, I didn't. We did. I was like sitting here and I was like, they think, I was like, we gotta get on topic, but I don't. I was like, we're happy where we were. Can I tell you something right now? RSVPS to the compliment right now.

RSVPS, send it in. Yes! Thank you. We have a seat for you. Thank you. Okay, well, you have to RSVPS to my compliment, my fandom, you have to accept it. But we RSVPS.

He's struggling more than you. Actually, title of that, RSVPS. Okay, great, I love it, thank you. I'll get there, I'll get there. Well, by the end, I need an RSVP, I need to know. I need a head count. I need to know how many people are eating duck. Great, but yes, AOL.

AOL coming for our lives. The other day I flew home from London alone with our son and planes are like iPad time. It is, when you get to the point where your kid has an attention span that is long enough for a flight and an iPad, you're like, great, I'm gonna ruin you temporarily. For seven hours. And then I'm gonna recover three and a half. you're like, great, I'm going to ruin you temporarily and I'm going to recover three and a half.

Yeah, like we can we can repair this. But like I am going to like temporarily like damage what we have put so much like so much work into. And still it's like top of his lungs. Mama P. And I'm like, I'm coming. And I'm like, I am a stewardess for him. And it's like a whole thing anyway. But it's it is I will do that.

And then at home, it is terrifying to watch three and a half year olds interact with AI things, because it's immediate. It's like, they have this intrinsic understanding and facility with using these things. It's really crazy, like watching him ask Chat GPT a question with the little voice undulating thing, it's like watching Violet or Katie in the first movie yeah it's like watching her interact with Megan so I'm I'm constantly

doing that and then I'm like he named our robot vacuum I'm like we gotta just we have to just think about this and really like be cautious because it's they're powerful these tools are super powerful and they get more powerful every day every time I see my chat GPT memory updated, I'm like, what did you learn about me? I didn't know they said that. So we don't, I guess we don't really use it. I don't use it.

I don't react with any of it consciously, unconsciously. That's not a brag, that's just like a word. No, no, it's not, it's not, it's nooch, I would say. It's nooch. It's nooch. I feel like very grateful for the ways Chat GPT helps me, but I'm very aware of what I put into it and every couple months I ask what it thinks it knows about me just to see where I am.

Where are we with that? Gentlemen. What does it say? It's so boring. What does it say? I thought it was so great. It dragged you? In a word, beige.

Literally the word beige is in the description of me that it has, and here's why. It only sees what I'm worried about and don't know. It's not like I'm like, hey, chat, GPD, let me tell you everything I know about Mary Shelley's Frankenstein because I've read it 50 times. Here's my academic prowess.

Yes, here's my transcript, which I've never seen. Here's like, I'm never saying, here's something I'm confident about as a mom, or here's something I feel sure about. Here's like, I'm never saying, here's something I'm confident about as a mom, or like, here's something I feel sure about. Here's a, it's more like, I don't know what carpet pad to put under like a sisal, like what width do I need? And like what material,

and how do I not like rot the floor under it? And it's like, okay, you can do this or- I'm Googling how much Xanax too much. What? How much Xanax too much? It's like already too much. I apologized the other day for asking something I knew I'd asked twice.

I was like, I knew I've already asked you this, but what's the ideal humidity level for a toddler room and they're like it's fine Life's busy like here's what it's 40 to 50 percent. Just so you know, wow Oh my god news you can use um I know it's lower than I would have thought I would have been like 80 is that Like tropical but anyway, so I it's already weird and it's so funny that they are, it's just, they're very bored. Like the TLDR, I also asked them to come up with an image that felt like it described my life. And it was like a farm with, my husband was included

and Arlo and our dog. But, and we were, we live in the middle of nowhere with like a farmhouse, which isn't accurate, but I love that that's what it thinks of. Well, it's okay. Well, it's going to be for now, like it's always going to be derivative. And so it's saying in a word,

beige is also it's like ironically, a basic thing to say to someone. You know what I mean? Yes, but it also, it wasn't being ironic. It just is, it was making fun of me. In a word, comma? No, that was my gloss on the summary.

I thought that you said. Oh my God, you thought I was like, I got a read from Chachibetee. That's what I thought. In a word, bitch. Well, cause literally I'd be like, no, you can't like funny kissy. This is a relationship stuff.

You can't write Lena Dunham, like hello. But no, cause honestly I've heard of it being like a little kinky. You can ask it too. We have a very professional boundaried relationship because of the movies I make. I'm like, I'm gonna always be cordial with you, say thank you, please, you know, like we keep a boundary.

Wow, you think about that. I do. I don't think it has figured out what I do for a living. Wow, wow, wow. I, you know, like I've tried to keep that kind of distance, but I ask every couple months to be like, what? And the reason it brought up beige is because I was looking for,

I was like, can you direct me towards an outdoor patio umbrella that's beige? And it was like, you seem interested in the color beige. I was like, god damn it. I'm even boring my chat GBT. Also, it's gonna be like, that's so funny that you don't think I know you're an actress. I'm thinking like,achi BT which is like a line of code. It's gonna be like that's so funny that you don't think I know you're an actress. You're cute.

You're actually adorable. We know exactly who you are. We all know Gemma. I keep wanting to be like, yeah, I know Meghan. Is that gonna buy me cool points with you? Like I know her intimately. But I don't know how Chachi Bt would feel about her. Yeah.

I think though they'd feel sane. I think they would only, they, I think Statue of Duty would only be kind of flattered and amused by, I think Megan is the best PR thing that AI could have asked for. Which is so funny because she's like a. She's evil. Yeah, in the first, well.

In the first, yeah, no. Second movie is. Oh, we heard about the, I couldn't believe. You heard us like find out in real time what the plot of it. Oh, it's my favorite thing I got sent that like a hundred times your dramatic reading of this of Amelia talking about like the spell everything I was like Yes, I mean so happy. Thank you. I was like this is worth making a sequel just to hear you guys

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Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi everyone, it's Janaye aka Cheeky's from Cheeky's and Chill Podcast and I'm launching an all new mini podcast series called Sincerely Janaye. Sure, I'm a singer, author, businesswoman and podcaster, but at the end of the day, I am human. And that's why I'm sharing my ups and downs with you guys. Hi guys, I was sitting here recording episodes of Dear Cheeky's and Cheeky's and Chill and I just had to take a timeout and purge my thoughts and feelings here on Sincerely Janee. Because I've been so emotional lately, you guys.

Whether I'm in my feels, I've just had a breakthrough with my therapist, or I've just had a really deep conversation with my siblings, or I'm in glam getting ready for an award show. I'm sharing my most intimate thoughts with you on the podcast. You guys know I always keep it real with you guys, but this time I'm taking it to the next level. Listen to Cheeky's and Chill on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. By the way, it's actually four quadrant. It is four quadrant. That's what I said. Yes, and I'm also saying there's a- I wanna know what your four quadrants are. Well- I feel like they're not everyone.

It's sports dad that's watched Get Out. It's- Sports dad. It's mom who watched fellow travelers and was like- My sports dad is gay. My sports dad is gay. My sports dad is gay. My sports dad is gay. My sports dad is gay. And I'm looking at my husband a little bit.

It's sister that's rewatching girls. And it's of course gay son. Gay son. I don't recognize straight son. You don't, there are no straight sons. But they know you too. They know you too. They think you're hot.

I would be so excited. That would be so exciting. To be like a hot mom to anyone. You are. I don't know. You're a gorgeous specimen. That's so nice. I think I'm just an adult now.

Yeah. This is, okay, this was my biggest, I don't think so, honey. I will spoil it ahead of time, because there's so many. This brings us down to five on my list. There's a lit me. People being younger than us.

Oh yeah, I know. Well, stop. Last night I did a show with two people and they were a twink and a redhead. Twink and a redhead, we love you guys. They're an online sensation. And he was talking about having hooked up with someone like older.

And she asked how old and he just goes like this, 30 plus. Yeah! And I don't, and he just goes like this 30 plus And I don't and here's the thing I don't he did not mean anything by just being literal like 30 plus Was old I we are wonderkins we need to be kids we need to be kids can I say something? Yeah We might have our first mayor who's younger than us. That's crazy. Is he voting for us? People younger than us is crazy. This is what I'm saying. It has to stop. I made Arlo is the Gen Alpha is fine.

Like it's the Gen Z, like the fact that they're like professional adults now and they're younger than me, that's really fucking with me. I went back to give a talk at Yale or like a like a college or whatever they're called. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. that's really fucking with me. I went back to give a talk at Yale or like a college tea or whatever they're called. Yeah, whatever. I kept saying we. I was at this point like 32, I think.

And I kept being like, you know, for us, like we go out in the world and they're looking at me and they're like, lady, you are a full. You're 30 plus. You are 10 years older than the oldest child in this room. Right, right, right. But your prefrontal cortex is old as fuck. It is closed, your collagen has started eating itself.

You are falling, you're old. And I was like, we're not in us anymore. I am a grown up person who came to the college who's crusty and back to talk to you about the world in an out of touch way, and this is mortifying. It was horrible. Marnie referring to herself as 25 and a half. At one point I was just like-

That sounds right. No, 100%, she definitely said I as 25 and a half. At one point I was just like. That sounds right. No, 100%, she definitely said I'm 25 and a half, et cetera. I was like, wow, this show was a long time ago. I know, I'm 37. It was a long time ago. I can't, anyway, it's just like, it's a lot that there's people younger than us. And also it's like,

this is the weird thing about when suddenly you become, I like I guess older is you don't know when it happens No, they can just let you know After the fact like oh, yeah We look at we look at you as a little bit older now And I was like but I was just I was just one of the young people yes exactly. I was just considered like Precocious right the word precocious was just used to describe me and now I'm just meeting the standard. Like is this gonna just keep sliding

and stay out of reach for me? Like I, like Wunderkind, I was never referred to as a Wunderkind. That was always aspirational. Lena was though. And I don't know when they stopped, but that must've been like low key devastating. Should this go to being like a Wunder adult, I guess?

I don't know. But is this a universal experience for us? Like for the universe for the three people in this room. For this very relatable life we're living. In front of the camera. Sorry, Nate, sorry. We see you. We see you.

But when people, when you tell someone your age, and then they go, oh baby. And then one day it just stops. Right? Yes, yes. Do you know what I mean? Oh my God, it was such a like, can't you interact with older people when you were young and that like the reveal of your age

when you're like, look how much I've done. Oh, a couple of years ago when I was 33, I'm 35 now, I said to someone I was 33 and their response was, that's okay. About what, where were you? Were you getting a driver's license? That's okay. I was just, I was like,

well, thank you for the permission to, I guess, keep existing.? I was just I was like, uh, well, thank you for the permission to I guess keep existing I was like every second you get older, you know, you were you were submitting you were trying to run for president They were like, yeah, that's okay Wow, you can't even run for president yet, but in a matter of months why I mean I can't period cuz not born in this country Oh my God, I had thought about that. Oh good, America. I'm not missing out. I'm not missing out.

Are you sure? I mean, that is the problem. Are you sure you're not missing out? It seems like a great job. Yeah. By the end of this episode, I'll know. I'll always be sure. I want you to ask to running for president

and to my compliment for you on the show and to my fandom. So like what, and what I was saying earlier was like, and I wanted to bring up the fellow travelers of it all too, because I would imagine that that's like. I saw Johnny yesterday. Oh yeah. Because they're promoting Jurassic.

It's like a little universal party. Okay, well we're dying to get him in this room. Johnny. Universal. You guys, I don't know. Like the experience of being on set with those four gentlemen, the four main gentlemen, was like one of the most like,

aesthetically overwhelming experiences of my life. Jelani and Noah and Johnny Matt. Jelani! Well I was so happy that he got that platform because Jelani's been like someone that's been like, An angel. He's so talented and been so talented. But also just the singing like,

casually, from all four of them, just like on the way to set it was an overwhelming I was literally like I'm in heaven. Yeah Oh, yeah, that must have been something visually like everyone on the crew was like this is an overwhelming place to me So visually aesthetically sonically the performances. Yeah, there's I only got to do a couple scenes with Johnny, but it was so fun No, so incredible there that whole project was just beyond dreaming. That was another thing where I read the pilot and I was like, yeah, this is an,

I'll do anything it takes to be in this. Yeah. It was really just like, it was, it's obviously very overwhelming. Yeah. Yes, I can imagine. And honestly, that type of stuff, that normal heart, like I actually- Did you guys know about the Lavender Scare

to interrupt you while you're asking a question? Did you know? I think that not, well obviously, here's the thing. In a perfect world, they would have taught us about that in school. 100%. But they did not. No, we learned about the red scare, we learned about AIDS. But that's kind of it.

I don't think I learned about lavender. You want to know how I learned really about AIDS? Like there was, we had to do a project when I was, I think, in like sixth or seventh grade, where we all had to pick a disease in science class and like do a report on it. And I picked AIDS. And my teacher just looks at me and she goes,

okay, I'm gonna speak to your parents. And so my parents had to sit me down and they were like, so before you start doing this, we want you to know about AIDS. And I realized, had I not stumbled into that and been put in a position where I had to be told what AIDS was, it wasn't gonna come up. And I certainly wasn't gonna find out in school

about how it affected my community, how it decimated culturally a lot of the fabric of like New York, like and worldwide, entire generation. How like, you know, what that loss really was and how thrown under the bus we were by people that were supposed to protect us. And all of that, like I still don't think and I think that's why I have such an anxious reaction

to it because it comes as such a shock even now. And that's why it's important that art is made about it, like really honest, visceral art is made about it, like that with people on that level, on your level doing it, because we don't know. Totally. Oh my God. I mean, if you had not stumbled on that for that project,

you would have, like me, and I'm not even saying this as like a punchline, it's like you would have learned about it through like rent. Literally. Yes, that's how, I think, I was just thinking that that was probably the first time I heard about it. And I mean, honestly, like better than the jokes

that came after that in sex ed about like, you're gonna get AIDS and the very like off-handed way that must have sounded horrifying to older people who'd lived through it. Can you imagine hearing our generation use it so flippantly and casually? I remember being one of those people when I was like closeted, very closeted.

You knew about it, you were one of the few people. I remember like I'm from Long Island like where again, like graduating high school in 2008 in Long Island like a vibe So then I go to NYU and it's like all these different kinds of culture and I remember the first week of school we were gonna go see rent and My friend of mine had made a joke in like a group chat like because I had that I had a seat in the last Row and they made a joke like oh that seat is gonna have the most AIDS on it and I repeated Really make sense and I repeated the joke because I was 18 and stupid

and like whatever. And a girl on my floor turns to me and goes, that's really fucked up and that's not how you get that, et cetera. And I was just like. And that girl was Elizabeth Olson. Yeah. Wait, no.

No, what was it? That girl was Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah, Holmes. Wait, sorry, not that, I'm sorry. No, but like, that's no. No, what was I? That girl was Elizabeth Holmes. Elizabeth Holmes. Wait, sorry, not that, I'm sorry. No, but like, that's what I mean, is that's just like, that's what happens even to someone like me. You need that girl.

When you're not exposed. Yes. And like, that's why it's really important. And you ask, like, did you know about the lavender scare? No. No. No, no one talked about it. I felt like I learned a lot of stuff that a lot of other schools didn't teach in my school and it was not something that I learned about.

That's the scapegoating that the government did like that. The combination of like the communism scare with homophobia, just like throwing that in to be like, we can use this as like compromise and just like get people just devastating. I mean, I felt so embarrassed and devastated. And also it is just like all parts of the world where the numbers are like surging and stuff. I do a lot of work with Red and the thing that's so maddening is that it's completely possible to live

like a totally healthy, in case someone out there doesn't know, it's completely possible to live like a totally healthy normal life with this diagnosis. Of course it is and have a great sex life. Yeah, and you can also, in a world of PrEP, we're living in a new age and it's literally just information. And that is so maddening because it's like,

that is something that we can do. And there's just, we can't, I don't know, we can't reach everybody. And also if no one's talking about it. And a whole generation of gay men were just... Just gone. Gone. And you know, I think that's really what's tough

is what kind of world could we be living in had all those people been able to create, not for nothing, but also be part of audiences. It's so holistic, the loss, and I also think it contributes to a lot of, well, I certainly know it contributes to a lot of internalized homophobia in the surviving generation, a lot of survivor's guilt,

and from straight people, a lot of homophobia, because they're just like, I can't actually engage in what I lost. A lot of people that did know people then became more homophobic after a genuine fear of it. Yeah, for sure. I was gonna say, not that your mom is homophobic, but I feel like she definitely experienced

so many friends in New York. Well, she was a bartender in the 80s. So it's just like, of course. We haven't gone there, but I remember when I first came out to my parents, like, my dad took a second with it, and then we went on a walk, and one of the first questions he asked me was, I just wanna make sure are you careful?

And I was just like, you know, and I had to explain to him, I was like, I understand deeply why you asked that question. You don't need to worry about me in that regard, of course I understand why you do, but I mean, with your parents as well, I'm sure that was a huge element of the fear. Like it is, and that's what it is, like homophobia, like you can talk about the hatred involved,

but it's also fear. It is a fear. And lack of knowledge. That was why, like when there's a scene in Fellow Travelers when Lucy goes to visit Johnny's character in the hospital, I was Lucy, sorry, weird. And she's confused about like, does she need to wear gloves? And like, I really liked that moment in the show,

not because I agreed with it, but because I felt like that was a very common, and it still is weirdly, like not understanding the transmission and how to interact with people. Like it's still a common knee-jerk reaction people have. And I almost feel like the fact that if you put an example, again, kind of my favorite thing to do,

if you put an example of someone doing it wrong on screen, the people who are watching it can be on the inside of getting it right and can become part of being that girl in the hallway in NYU being like, no like you can't catch it that way. Don't be an idiot. Right. And don't say that joke because it's like that's because that's bad information. That's harmful information in a joke.

And that's that's way worse. It's going to travel farther anyway. That's interesting. Like the example of someone doing it wrong is is sort of edifying its own. Yeah, because you're putting the audience in the knowledge seat where they're like, I'm in on how to do this right now because I have been put in the position of like judging the person. I'm watching doing it wrong. And so now I'm in the position to know what's right and to judge this person for doing it wrong.

Totally. Yeah. Shame works when it's like being portrayed on someone who is like not real in a way. You know what I mean? Yeah, literally. Shame is so powerful. It is like one of the things that, it's one of the words that comes up

at my stage of life the most with my friends. It's kind of why I joined the podcast community. There weren't enough, so I tried to contribute one. Yeah, but you're actually gonna be good at it. You're gonna be great at it. It's with my friends of like 30 plus years. Yeah, but that's exactly why it's gonna be good. One's a therapist, one's a teacher, and we really made it because we feel,

when we look at social media that's targeted at us, not all of it, but a lot of it, the biggest thing that comes up is shame. We're not doing it right. We're not making our kids lunches perfectly enough. We're not being respectful enough parents. We're not doing all right. We're not making our kids lunches perfectly enough. We're not being like respectful enough parents. Like we're not doing all of these things correctly. I'm not merging my identity seamlessly enough.

I'm not being a good enough partner and professional and mom and all these things. And also my hormones are being crazy. My memory doesn't work the way I used to like what is going on. And just by venting to each other, the shame is gone instantly. And so we literally talk so much about how powerful shame can be in both directions. Like shaming people into like, you know, understanding how like HIV and AIDS is transmitted

is like the best possible use of like shame in a positive direction, but extinguishing it from like judging yourself for not doing a good enough job at being alive when like just keeping it all going and running is an achievement in and of itself is sort of like our MO. It's the word that I end up going to the most at this stage of life, which is, yeah,

because it only exists, it's like a fungus. It can only grow when there's no light, no air circulating. You gotta, in a group chat, you're like, it lasts for two seconds. As long as it takes for your friends to type of response is how long the shame last Yeah, get it out and also that like there can be people to catch you when you fall in like and to be able to like

Extra I always felt growing up. I have to be the only person feeling this thing like really so many times like and Like I have to be broken because of, not just the typical things you might be thinking of, like I'm gay, I feel this way about it, et cetera. Everything. And then I think us becoming such close friends in our community, et cetera, you just start talking. And then you realize we're all so much more alike,

but you wouldn't know unless you externalized. There has to be that one brave, vulnerable person that's willing to be like, is this a thing? Yeah, is this a thing? Yes, and it's less the scene in Mean Girls where they're all comparing things they hate about themselves. That's like the early, that's like the high school version

of it where it's like I have bad breath in the morning, they're all like, ew, I'm obsessed with that scene. It's that in high school, and then when you become an adult, it's like, do you remember things for longer than two minutes? And everyone's like, no, I don't. My estrogen is like on a vacation. And you're like, okay, that makes me feel better. I was gonna get an evaluation,

but now that I know that we're all going through that, it feels so much better. That is like, it's everything. And so we were like, if not everyone has access to this like group of friends who have literally known each other since single digits Like we're we're gonna offer ourselves as that group of friends. It's gonna be such a success Yeah, it's such a success

You want to know why is because that's if if we've learned anything It's that that's what people want they want to be part of the conversation I feel like I've lived through so many chapters of your lives with you. This is what's really weird I think it's mutual I think that's what feels mutual is that I really feel like I've gone through like all your moves and all of your lives with you. This is what's really weird. I think that's what feels mutual, is that I really feel like I've gone through all your moves and all of your big career moments and relationships and all of these things with you, but I haven't, but I have.

But you have. No, I mean that- I was with you. You brought me with you. Yeah. In a way. You were. I mean, I think, well, you know what,

I used to say, oh, I wish I had kept a diary, and then I was like, you have. This is our weekly news journal. You know what I mean? This is so right, how nice. But even that is a judgment on yourself. Totally. It was a way for me to be like, you didn't do a good enough job

of keeping your memories the right way. That's reading too many comedy autobiographies. It drives me to, I'm like, I have to stop reading autobiographies of people in our field, because listen, they are encyclopedic, how are they doing this? How do you remember that? And that is another way to judge yourself.

How do you remember this? And I'm like, I'm just not going to, I'm gonna keep every plane ticket because I don't know why, I just do. Keep everything, every piece of clothing we talked about. We're both, we're not a closet. What you just achieved in your closet is like, Herculean.

Got rid of like 80% of my clothes, thank you Melissa. I need Melissa to come over. Oh, you guys would absolutely drown. You'll get nothing out of my closet. Thank you, Melissa. I need most to come over. Yeah, you guys would get nothing out of my closet. You won't let me like a pair of like airplane pajamas. But I have a duplicate of your best chance. But I am I am like I keep everything and not a diary, but I'm constantly like, how am I going to write? If I'm going to have write an autobiography, how am I going to do it?

I haven't kept a day to day diary on everything that's going on in my life. You have call sheets from all your days of shooting? Almost all of them, the important days. That's actually huge, because I had to recently look up, who's that person on that day on this, and just call sheets. Oh yeah, call sheets are incredible. I did just, I got my first PGA mark on the Megan 2.0,

which I'm very proud of. And I went back, you have to write a whole thing, and I was like, oh my God, an essay in my adult life, I can't wait. And so I got to write an have to write a whole thing. And I was like, oh my God, an essay in my adult life, I can't wait. And so I got to write an essay to say why, what your contribution to the movie was. And I went back and did a forensic examination of my involvement in the Megan Sequel.

And I was like, this is not healthy. We were doing Zooms at like 2 a.m. from a bathtub in France with a deep fake company in the U.S. that we were maybe gonna hire, that we didn't end up hiring for some of it. The amount of digging I was able to do because I keep everything was actually genuinely helpful.

That's how then that's going into the memoir into the autobiography. I guess it will. And we'll use this as a primary source as well. Exactly. This is part of the bibliography. Primary source. Wait, we have to ask you the question.

We haven't even gotten there. I know. We haven't even gotten there. I have to, okay. But before we do, I just wanna say, Johnny Bailey, it is a thing where like, you walk into setups to hear him and Ariana Grande sing like

Cardboard Box by Flo on the way to like shoot like Dancing Through Life. I'm like, what's going on? Cardboard Box by Flo. And you're going, boom, boom. I was like, this is heaven to me and I wish I could take a picture of this. It's so powerful.

So to know that he does this on multiple projects is very, very, very heartening to me. Well, yeah, I mean, you have, if you're Johnny Bailey, you wake up in the morning, you're like, I have a burden to share as much of this throughout the course of the day as I can. I'm perfect everything and I just have to like, I have to share it so that when I go to bed, I'm lighter.

Totally. And then I wake up and I'm heavy with my perfection. I have to just like keep distributing it. I'm imagining that's what it feels like. Absolutely. Yeah. I can only remember. Him next to Mahershala, they're doing press together.

I'm like, this is... I know, and then they're with Scarlett too. And it's kind of just like the perfect day. I don't like, he's never looked better. I've kissed Scarlett Johansson too, Johnny. Yeah, yeah. And no one's tweeting about that, and that's okay. There's nothing that drives me crazier

than watching him make out with movie stars on. Like Sydney Sweeney and Scarlett Johansson in the Bow and Straight sketches, I scream, I run. Like it's Megan 2.0. I literally, I leave the room. Do I not? I cannot. I have a reaction when he does the straight thing.

What is it? What is the reaction? Is it, are you thrilled? Discomfort. Discomfort. Cause he used to use to. He's like, it's my friend, I'm proud. He's like, no, I'm uncomfortable and I hate it.

Cause back in the day, like you and Sweetie would kiss on the mouth too a little bit. And it drove me nuts. Cause you were like, this is a scam. I was like, don't be doing that. My mom said to me one time, she goes, I didn't know Bowen and sweetie were dating. And I go, they're not.

I was just like, they are not. They are not. A little far. You're passing too much. I know I'm passing too much. You're doing a great job. Thank you. Can I just tell you?

So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond. And left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline, I think in the New York Daily News. It's, Teddy escapes, Blonde drowns. And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you. The story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes.

Will Ted become president? Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal. The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family. Listen to United States of Kennedy

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Maybe you've heard that Stonewall was a riot where queer people fought back against police, or that it's the reason Pride is celebrated this time of year. It was one of the most liberating things that I have ever done. But did you know that before it went down in history, the Stonewall was a queer hangout run by the mafia? The voguing at Stonewall was a queer hangout run by the mafia. The voguing at Stonewall was unbelievable.

In the summer of 1969, it became the site that set off the modern movement for LGBTQ plus rights. Started banging on the door of the Stonewall like one boom, boom, boom. Legend says Marsha P. Johnson, a mother in the fight for trans rights, threw the very first brick. She was really like scrubbed out of that history. This week on Afterlives, we'll separate the truth from the myth in the life of Marsha P. Johnson.

Listen to Afterlives on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Show me how good it can get today, God, and show the rest of the world what we already know. It can't get no better than being Hella Black, Hella Queer, and Hella Christian. My name is Joseph Rees. I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian, a fully black,

fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast that explores society, culture, and the intersections of faith and identity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian, to hear conversations about what it means to sound the way you look. I think what I've had to make peace with is that every iteration of my voice is given to me by God, and I love it.

Books that validated our identity. The library now for me is a safe space as someone who is writing books that they're trying to take off of shelves. And how we as black queer folks relate to our Christianity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi everyone, it's Jhene, aka Cheekyy's from Cheeky's and Chill Podcast and I'm launching

an all new mini podcast series called Sincerely Janee. Sure, I'm a singer, author, businesswoman and podcaster, but at the end of the day, I am human. And that's why I'm sharing my ups and downs with you guys. Hi guys. I was sitting here recording episodes of Dear Cheeky's and Cheeky's and Chill and I just had to take a time out and purge my thoughts and feelings here on Sincerely Janaye because I've been so emotional lately you guys. Whether I'm in my feels, I've just had a breakthrough with my therapist, or I've just had a really deep conversation with my siblings,

or I'm in glam getting ready for an award show, I'm sharing my most intimate thoughts with you on the podcast. You guys know I always keep it real with you guys, but this time I'm taking it to the next level. Listen to Cheeky's and Chill on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Alison Williams was the culture that made you say culture was for you because we have to talk about it. Okay, I have a list. The way that your people were like, there's a heart out of 1020.

I don't think it's gonna happen. No, we're not making it. Sorry. No, we are, we have to, we have to. Oh my God. Respect, respect. Okay, here are my culture things. Okay, I had to write them down because again,

see previous comment about not really having a working memory. Go on. Okay, Mary Poppins in Sound of Music. Let's go. It's really Julie Andrews' like, was why I knew acting was a job because she did both of those roles. Yes. really having a working memory. Okay, Mary Poppins in Sound of Music, it's really Julie Andrews is like, was why I knew acting was a job

because she did both of those roles. Within two years! It's crazy. And how old was she? She was like 29. 29, fuck. Sickening. We can't talk about that.

She's perfect and cultivated. Unbelievable. I met her and was Meredith Marks level of incapable of being. Did we say that on the mic yet? Oh, I don't know. I think so. So you were from America too, but now Meredith Marks is there. You were like, oh my God. With Chloe.

With Chloe. With Kelly Marks. I was Julie Andrews level of incapable of handling it. Julie Andrews I met at a PBS event like 10 years ago, which was perfect. I was like, we're supporting the arts and public television and you're here. And I just was like, I don't matter. I had this urge to be like, you're why I do what I do.

But then I was like, she doesn't know what I do. She also doesn't know if it's good. So I'm going after her and being like, for all she knows, I'm like a terrible non, like just bad actress. And I'm like, you are the reason. But I was like, I need to tell you this. And I don't expect anything from you

because you don't know me from anyone. But I just, you've inspired me like to an amount that I can't possibly express. So she's like, that was, she was my culture for a really long time alongside Joan Rivers on Sesame Street. Oh, come on. Oh my God.

Cause it was Miss Piggy, right? Sally. No, no, no. Oh wait, that was in Muppets, but Sesame Street is a different. She did a Hello Dolly sketch, but with the S was the letter of the day. And I think I'm getting this right. Yes, and it was like, fact check this, or not.

I mean, whatever, it's in the podcast. But it is some combination of Joan Rivers and Sesame Street and Sally to the tune of Hello Dolly. I think this is all right. Formative, I was like, she's sexy, she's funny. She's like so sharp. I'm so relieved that I don't have to be judged by her like on a day to day, but I also miss her.

I know. I would have loved to have been judged by her. I wonder what it nowadays would have been like. I wonder what Joan Rivers' comments already to have been judged there. I wonder what it would have been like. I wonder what Joan Rivers' commentary would have been. I don't know how I would feel. Yeah, I don't know how it would all go down. We've done a lot of growing as a culture that I think she was maybe committed to not.

All I know is she definitely was a Trump 1.0 fan. Cause she's gay. Yes, yes, yes. That's right, okay. Moving on from Joan Rivers' The Most Vicious. I'm taking a hard 90 degree turn. Come on.

Star Wars. Yeah, let's go. Very important. Harrison Ford was my first love and I don't say that lightly. Christopher Plummer was close but he was still like a dad. I still like him the most.

Scary a little bit. Yeah, he was like stern and like, you know. Activating different synapses. Harrison Ford activated other synapses. Yeah, 100%. And I fell in love with him in a way that I was like, this is attainable, I can do this. Third grade, they released Star Wars in theaters.

And I was like, this man is the most beautiful man I've ever seen. He really is an overwhelming movie star. Like we were just in Disneyland in Paris, and there's an Indiana Jones section, and I was looking at him, and I was thinking, I wasn't ready when I was a kid to confront this, because you know how you have those formative memories

of seeing someone, and you're like, oh? He is a manly type of sexuality that had to just take over the 80s and 90s. He was musky, leather smell. He was so powerful, he was a carpenter. Leather smell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's so powerful, he's a carpenter. He's a man. He was like, I'm here because I'm like,

I didn't have a table to build. Right. Like you know. I don't have to be doing movies. He's like, I've got a huge horizontal scar on my chin. I don't care. John Wayne bud. Watch me just kill it and I don't care.

Truly. Like, Eve Babbitt's writing about meeting him before acting. It's like, oh, that guy is just, just, just, just world-endingly beautiful and talented. I just couldn't handle it. And so I felt very activated by Han Solo as a character. And I feel like it, I kind of absorbed Han Solo energy more than Princess Leia, which separated me from my peers. I feel like I wanted to be a kind of misanthropic alpha man.

And it has kind of like the Lydia Tar in me, which by the way, this is sort of an homage. I feel like she would own this outfit. Sort of my little like, you know, as the queen, as the like the queen of the podcast. Lydia Tar, the queen of the podcast. I'm not like any other. She looms large personally.

She's in Megan's top four letter box, which I thought. I saw that. Oh my god, I'm obsessed. I think Get Out, she goes, she goes, like the girl who plays, you know, which was like, she's fine, whatever. Perfect, I'm just, she owns me. So yeah, Star Wars felt like, I was like,

this is culture, this is important, I need to have like an encyclopedic knowledge of this movie, and then immediately when they started making more than the first three, I was like, I'm out, this is important. I need to have an encyclopedic knowledge of this movie. And then immediately when they started making more than the first three, I was like, I'm out. I can't keep up with this. But the first three are like, that was really. The first three are just like, that really,

that's a culture that made me say culture for me. Yeah, because it also was my introduction to nerd culture. And it was kind of simultaneous with Nintendo 64. So I was like, is this my identity? Like, am I? But it was so user-friendly. And then when everyone went gamer, I was like, I guess I'm not. am I? But it was so user friendly. And then when everyone like went gamer, I was like, I guess I'm not.

Like I bid you. I had to bail too. I know you guys are back. No, but you guys are diverging on the same path. I went another way, y'all went. And I totally respect that. Because when I could hold the controller. I'm like, this is accessible.

Like the N64 controller with the three prongs and you could hold both. Like I knew how to hold that. I don't know how to hold this week. There's two now. There's two prongs and you could hold both. Like I knew how to hold that. I don't know how to hold this week. There's two now. There's two prongs. I found out about the re-release from this podcast. They just hate you guys.

Yes, I was like they're making another one. He'll break news in video games and I'll break news in theme parks. So by the way, there's new permitting. Anyway, in Epic Universe. This is our biggest divergence as people. So you don't do it. I can't do it.

You can't do it. You can't do it? Overwhelming? What about the family? Terrified, terrified. Oh terrified of rides. Rides, theme parks, people, I just hate just. Your son, what about your son? I will do it for, I'll do anything for him.

I mean I let someone cut me open to bring him into the world. And just to bring up my C-section twice in this interview. I love it, that's fine, talk about it. It happened, it fucking sucked. But it's the best thing in the world. It's the best thing in the world. But anyway, I will do it, I'll do it for him.

But I will, it's not like I'm gonna be excited and taking him, I'll be like, whew. Yeah, you're gonna be the one kicking and screaming. Probably, I'm gonna be grumpy and hot, like in a stroller. Just go in February, I'm of course thinking you'll go to Orlando. Of course, I'm of course thinking you'll go to Orlando. Of course. I'm of course thinking you'll go to Orlando. It's a sentence no one's ever said to me in my life.

Honestly, how chic. How chic to be able to say that about yourself that no one would say that to you. All they've ever told me is you're in Orlando most of the year, right? No, but it's also part of the same thing where people would never be like, have you gone to Coachella?

Ah ha ha ha! No one has ever been like, are you a burner? Have you ever been to Bremen? They're like, you need a bathroom that has a sanitizing towelette, a moist toilet. Why can't I say that word? I'm too tired. That's ready to wipe your seat down.

Like you can't, you need money to be part of something. You can't be in a barter economy. Like they're just like, you don't belong in these feelings. So it's the same part as like, you don't belong. I will go, like Megan is there. I will support my girl. Like I'll support my actual son, like anytime, I'll support you, if you're like, I need you to be there,

I will go there for you. Cause did they do a Megan Haunted house? They did, she was part of Halloween Fortnite. Halloween Fortnite, that's huge. She has her own house. Wow. But yes, she's part of it, they dance. Oh, they need to get her own house.

Can I tell you, there are sanitizing towelettes, or you know, like the, At Burning Man? At, not at Burning Man, at Orlando. You're like, we're going back to the first thing. They're absolutely not at Burning Man. There's no way. You could have an experience you'd enjoy there.

At Burning Man? In Orlando. Why am I so stuck on Burning Man? I'm like, do I want it at Burning Man? Okay, is it a thing where it's like, do you judge yourself for not being like a burner type? I used to. I wanted to project, I know we have this vibe.

I wanted to project an energy of like, I might. Yeah. But I in the last couple of years, I'm like, I'm never I wouldn't like it. Why do I want to pretend to be someone who would enjoy it? Totally. OK. My last culture. I feel like I can't. I don't know if you guys have talked about this.

It's so specific. I'm looking at you because it feels more likely. Let's go. The Rapunzel episode of Storytime Theater with Shelley Duvall who needed radishes. No, okay, I don't know this. With pregnancy cravings. I'm a Shelley Duvall girl, but like I don't know about-

You might have talked about Fairytale Theater. No. Sorry, Fairytale Theater. I said Storytime. It is- Huge. It was, I think it's what allows me to make Megan movies, honestly. Explain. It is camp

Yes, it's high camp, but not education. It's not Sesame Street can we call Sesame Street camp? I don't know. It's not that it is. I think it is Shelly Duvall. Yeah, the hundred percent right there full full expression Shelly Duvall full eye aperture like a full eye aperture Shelly Duvall full eye aperture like a full eye aperture Full like giant wig. Yeah, I left while the wind blows big sets big so you mean like it's how you know to eliminate the checkpoints to like Get in there with Megan look her in the eyes and do a scene like tear up in a scene with her like play the stakes Yes, don't wink at the camera. Don't be don't be cool girl now Yeah Yes, don't wink at the camera. Don't be don't be cool girl now Yeah You can be you can be in on it in prep like for all the script drafts in post for all the editing everything when I am

There yeah, even like in video village before I step into set like in that mode when I walk into those scenes with Megan And she's telling me some shit, and I'm emotional you just have to some shit and I'm emotional. You just have to, you have to add. That's Cool Girl Award. That's Cool Girl Award. I'm telling you. You have to actually feel that. Yes, of course you do.

You must, otherwise it's not fun for anyone to watch. We are all committed to the bit deeply, deeply, deeply. Is Jenna on set reading the lines? No, sadly, she does it in a booth. All good. All good. No problem. That's okay, that's okay.

No problem Jenna. You're not disappointing me. You're okay, that's okay. That's okay, you're 33. That's okay. No problem, Jenna. You're not disappointing me. You're okay, that's okay. That's okay, we're fine. I'm okay, are you okay? Yeah, I'm okay that Jenna's not there. Are you guys okay? I just recently.

She's amazing, by the way. She's amazing, I saw them last night. It was so fun, I love her. Who else showed up to the Megan 2.0 premiere? We all did, and we are so close as a cast. Aristotle. Aristotle, Ari, the other Ari. The other Ari. Yes, Aristotle, B.J.A.

Yeah, B.J.A. Amy, who is the physical, who was great on your show. Amy's the physical performer of Megan was there looking, they are growing up so fast. I sound so old, but Violet and Amy, Violet plays Katie, my niece, she was there, Tim Sharp, and Ivana Sokno, who you know, because you've seen, plays Amelia, was there.

And everyone, I mean, it was just, and Jen Van Epps who plays Tess. I mean, it was so close. And Meredith Marks. And Meredith Marks, who's there without being in the movie. She's in the movie just in the way she influences me as a human being. A hundred percent.

Anyway, that was my culture. That was my last culture. Oh my God. So what's the through line? Mary Poppins, Sound of Music, Joan Rivers, On Sesame Street, Star Wars, and Rapunzel. Talk about the specific Rapunzel radishes episode. I think it was sticky because I'd never seen anyone

want radishes and consume them in the way that she does. So she's having like pregnancy cravings and needs them transported to her. And the part of it that sends memory-ish is watching someone like eat radishes and the delta between my level of enjoyment when I eventually got my hands on a radish and what the look on Shelley Duvall's face like radicalized.

Radishicalized me. Radishicalized. Radishicalized me. Radishicalized. And I was like, I just really, I like, I don't know. It just crystallized this thing of like, this isn't objectively, this shouldn't be eaten this way And she's not it's not real

But it feels real She was committed to the bit exactly and I was like that is cool to your guys's point I was like this is she's being cool And I'm like really enjoy I'm in it and outside of it at the same time as one of my first experiences that I think Fabulous constellation of answers. Thank you for that. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to think about it. A woven tapestry of culture.

Yes. So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond. And left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline, I think, in the New York Daily News. It's, Teddy escapes, blonde drowns.

And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you. The story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president? Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal. The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse?

Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family. Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Maybe you've heard that Stonewall was a riot where queer people fought back against police, or that it's the reason pride is celebrated this time of year.

It was one of the most liberating things that I have ever done. But did you know that before it went down in history, the Stonewall was a queer hangout run by the mafia? The voguing at Stonewall was unbelievable. In the summer of 1969, it became the site that set off the modern movement for LGBTQ plus riots. It started banging on the door of the Stonewall like one boom, boom, boom. Legend says Marsha P. Johnson, a mother in the fight for trans rights, threw the very

first brick. She was really like scrubbed out of that history. This week on Afterlives, we'll separate the truth from the myth in the life of Marsha P. Johnson. Listen to Afterlives on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Show me how good it can get today, God, and show the rest of the world what we already know.

It can't get no better than being hella black, hella queer, and hella Christian. My name is Joseph Rees. I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian, a fully black, fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast that explores society, culture, and the intersections of faith and identity. Listen to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian to hear conversations about what it means to sound the way you look. I think what I've had to make peace with is that every iteration of my voice is given to me by God, and I love it.

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Hi guys, I was sitting here recording episodes of Dear Cheeky's and Cheeky's and Chill, and I just had to take a time out and purge my thoughts and feelings here on Sincerely Janaye because I've been so emotional lately, you guys. Whether I'm in my feels, I've just had a breakthrough with my therapist, or I've just had a really deep conversation

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we gotta get you out. Let's do Out of Things, So Honey. We gotta do Out of Things, So Honey. So this is the 60 second segment that, wait, what did you just show me on your phone? Are they texting you? Oh yeah, well.

All good. We got it, we got it, okay, good. We have to do what we have to do. We have to do what we have to do. Okay, so this is the 60 second segment We have on this podcast each and every week where we rant against something in culture I do have something it felt apropos okay here we go. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honey It's time starts now. I don't think so honey use of the term millennial as a slur nowadays

You know what Gen Z? I have news for you You're getting older every single second and I have to tell you. When you get to the point where you're our age, you're gonna look back, you look stupid. Like the way that you guys dress, you look so stupid. I understand that we looked stupid. We did. Like the, you know, the low rise, the V next. Like I wore American peril like it was,

like I worked there and I probably tried. You know what I mean? But like I can own my cringe and I hope you get there because you look so stupid. Also, you're all queer, cool. At least we fuck. You're not even fucking. You're queer, you wanna fuck everybody,

you're not even using it. You're not even using it. You guys don't vote. At least we vote. Here's the thing, like we're out here trying really hard and I get that it's cringe, but use of the term cringe and millennial as a slur, it's like so boring

and I'll tell you what's worse than cringe being boring. I don't think so honey, use of millennial as a slur, please like us. Wow. That's one minute. Wow. Beautiful, artful. A masterclass.

I tried. And that was very millennial of me. Did Twink and the Mad Head bring this out? No, it did. How did this come from? How did this come up for you? It was a mixture. So it was like, last night, me being like,

oh, 30 plus thing, that definitely shook me. And again, they meant nothing by it. But also Marnie Michaels as millennial icon and girls as millennial landmark show. And I think that's part of the reason why I'm so, I think it's why it's hitting again is Because people now have aged into like a not a self-consciousness But a self-awareness where we can all really laugh and we're all laughing at ourselves So Gen Z being like the millennial pause like and getting us self-conscious. It's like no no no we don't need that

We are self-aware. We're millennials. It's okay. We suffered through being alive. Yeah. Yes. The amount of times I've seen, and I don't know if it's because my phone knows that we're talking to you, but it's like that we were about to talk to you. But all the past week, it was just like,

let's make fun of the girl, put her stuff out there. It's like that's been resurfacing in such a huge way because of this thing where we're all like, okay, I think we're cresting the hill. Like, let's just move past it. And another thing is like on TikTok, it's like, ugh, the millennial pause. Like we did a TikTok the other day.

What is the millennial pause? And Bowen said, cut the millennial pause. It's like a video where it's like, hey guys, you know, it's like, yeah, you got it. You gotta trim that. Because our phones have too many photos on them and they're just like slow and we assume that it takes a second to start.

It's that you hit, it's that a millennial person will hit record and then it takes them a second to realize that I'm that it's filming and so now I go and the Always give that off But the thing is that is so stupid as a thing to pick on and then I can't help but feel that in years time It's gonna be dumber that people were like, oh the millennial pause Then the millennial pause being a thing like I think you guys in the grander scheme here are being uncool.

I think it's less cool to call out the millennial pause than like to have it. Sure. All right. This is Bo and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey idioms. I'm just saying in every language

it is linguistic gatekeeping. It's unless you're a native speaker, you will spend the rest of your life trying to learn a French idiom and a Mandarin idiom. I don't know. I don't know these things, even though I supposedly spoke the languages at one point. English idioms, let's just go through a couple of them.

Raining cats and dogs? What the fuck? I don't get that. What are you talking about? They're not making any sense. It's a great question. Just say it's raining very hard. It's coming down out there.

Well, that actually doesn't quite. Back off that one. Figurative language. I'm just gonna say figurative language, beautiful, has a place in our culture. Idioms are this thing where it's like, it's poetry trying to disguise itself as like colloquial shit. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's just, it's poetry trying to disguise itself as like colloquial shit.

And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's just, I'm being a literalist for the rest of my life. I cannot speak in these metaphorical figurative things, idioms. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. Wow. See, this I feel like is one of the great AP comp,

like, episodes in the last culture history. Yes, I wanted to talk to you about French. We'll sidebar about it. We'll talk about French. Your French is great. No, no, no, no. I can hear it. Even in a casual... He was a godsend to have in France. Yes, in a casual way. Anyway, we'll talk about it off mic.

Thanks, Alvin. Okay. But yes, you are absolutely right. Yes. And the videos I love the most of other cultures are the ones where they say their idioms out loud in English so we can hear what they sound like. And they're like, we know this is crazy.

And you'll never learn how to say this, but we say this to each other. All right, this is Alison Williams, I don't think so. Time starts now. Okay, Slaunter's gotta go, I'm sorry. Yeah, okay. I just can't. I can't anymore, I can't tell you to leave Slaunter out as they're slauntering this, or are we calling it coriander?

I just can't, and this is it, it has to go, I'm done. I'm sorry, Loud Places, why? I just can't. And this is it, it has to go, I'm done. I'm sorry, loud places, why? I can't be in a loud place. I can't be in a loud place, I can't be in a loud restaurant. I have an app that tests decibels. I know the decibel level of New York City restaurants. I will not go if it is too loud, what's the point? Close talking, because of loud places,

I don't wanna smell your breath. I don't wanna feel it on my body. I don't wanna get hors d'oeuvre on my face. Get back off, do not talk to me too close. People who like fish and eggs and eat them in the world with the rest of us, stop. Keep your disgusting food kink, like cilantro, to yourself. I don't want to be in the same room

as an egg-based product or a fish product. Keep it somewhere else. Lack of monoculture we already talked about. The last one is I actually do need sleep, but I identify as someone who doesn't and I hate it. I loved that I was a four hours a night person in high school and college. I miss her terribly.

She is gone. I need aid. I need to accept this and I don't want to. So I don't think so, honey, needing sleep. And that's one minute. And she used to be mine. Oh, that song. That song.

We go off for another hour. We need to hear you sing this at some point in the future because she has to go Megan 2.0 It's in theaters June 27th. Go see it. It's so fucking good. The moment is I can't spoil I wanted to say it. I know the singer but yeah, it'll be such a delightful surprise to you expose the theater It's supposed to see you were here. Thank you so much It exposed the theater. It exposed the theater. We're so happy you were here. Thank you so much for coming.

We love you so much. I love you both. I feel confident dropping that hard L. Love you. Thank you for the hours and hour days, cumulatively months of entertainment. Oh, come on. Thank you for like just everything.

Thank you for recognizing me as cool. Low key before I did. I'm so grateful. You have RSVP'd yes and we appreciate it. And I RSVP'd yes as well. Love you. And we have a song. Woo! That was like sort of a coup of a Define Gravity.

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