Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "RuPaul's All Stars" (w/ Nicole Silverberg)

Episode Date: September 12, 2016

Ding Dong! Nicole Silverberg (Reductress) sits down with the Culturistas to discuss the philosophy of Ru Paul and the latest season of All Stars. Other topics include…well, it’s pretty much all about Ru Paul.LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey now Hey now Iko, Iko, ande Jagamofino, andane Jagamofino, andane Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling Ooh, I am very excited about this week I'm so excited for this week this is we

are recording on a friday night honey and i would i wouldn't i would rather not be anywhere else does that make sense i would rather not be anywhere else yeah this is the only place i'd want to be uh for warning with you here with you for warning i've had such a hard time uh stringing together sentences coherent sentences today. Lately or today? Today specifically. I was at work and then I went into a meeting and then I froze at least within the span of 20 minutes at least 18 times.

I have a canker sore under my tongue. I have a cold sore. You do? Right here. See it? It's not visible. Oh, wait. Yes.

And now I see it. Clock the cold sore. So I clocked the cold sore. Noted. Noted. I was in the middle of a sentence like yesterday, and I found out that I was, I heard myself talking, and it was like, and I was like, this is not worse. Where were you?

I was in the middle of a sentence. Oh, okay. That was my location. You guys, this is such a good episode, and you guys are in for it, honey. Honey, this is such a good episode, and you guys are in for it, honey. Honey, this is it. Because we not only are going to be talking all about RuPaul's Drag Race All-Stars 2, which I can't believe we haven't talked about yet.

I know. But it's been a little bit of a while since our last episode. And it's such a good season, and we have truly an amazing guest to speak about this. A lovely friend. Yes. Who we came up with through Story Pirates. Yes, we all were in Story Pirates together. She's a contributor to GQ.

Contributor to GQ. The host of Mouth Time. It's a podcast on Reductress. She's the associate editor of Reductress, one of the funniest satire periodicals on... Would that be the word? Periodical? Reductress is amazing. She's also a writer for the UCB mod team

Pretty Boys. She's on the current Lloyd team, The Nightmare. You gotta check out her everywhere all around New York and all over across the internet. It's Nicole Silverberg! Nicole! Hi. Hi. I'm so happy to be here.

We're so happy. I don't have any chill. I'm very happy to be here. It's a moment in time. I mean. We've actually been trying to get Nicole a long time. I was going to say like an inside look into, you know, Las Culturistas. As you guys tend to record on Tuesdays. Yes.

And I have a recurring Tuesday conflict of a rehearsal. And every time I get the text of like, are you free? Yeah. It just, it kills me to not be free. It burns. Below and below. Below and below. Here we are on a Friday night and all of us just have gaping holes in our schedule.

Oh, yeah. Huge holes. And we're here. Now, Nicole, the way we start out the episodes is we have to dig in here and we have to talk about the culture that shaped Nicole Silverberg. When did Nicole Silverberg decide culture was for her? When was culture for you? Yeah.

I guess I've just always been, you know, kind of mildly aware of culture, even if I didn't know exactly what it was. Yes. You know, grew up with movies. That's unique. Yeah. and and uh i don't know i'm from arizona so i don't know if this is true for other people but for me at least there's a lot of music in my house oh yes lots of music lots of music my my parents are both musical the but and like love music yeah um though you, my dad runs a family business and my mom's an accountant.

So music isn't necessarily a part of their occupation. Sure. But they love music. So I guess probably music would be my like music was the first thing I felt like an expert on. So this is a question I have because I find that this helps define a person. Sure. Who is your dad's favorite musical person sure who is your dad's favorite musical artist and who is your mom's favorite musical artist and this is very telling do they

have a favorite musical artist i mean they they love music and they listen to so much i think it's very hard to choose just one but i think my mom has seen tom petty in concert maybe six times that is a good that's a good mom that's a good mom artist and like I mean and they love they love so much but if I but I my mom is a huge Tom Petty fan and then my dad I mean I think I would just have to say the Beatles for my dad but I mean you know a lot of like a lot of classics like Bruce Springsteen, Simon and Garfunkel, Carole King, James Taylor. You know, that was that was kind of the soundtrack of my childhood. Wow. Now, Nicole Silverberg, though, famously did an entire show as Meatloaf. I did. And I couldn't believe you didn't just say

Meatloaf. So my my my parents do both love Meatloaf. And my dad in particular had the Meatloaf album, Bat Out of Hell, which I sang selections of for my show last year, in his car. And my dad would often drive me to school on his way driving to work. So a lot of music on the way to work. And Meatloaf was definitely a recurring star, although my drive to school was shorter

than any one song on that album. But yes, I love Meat Loaf. Halfway through one track on Bad Out of Hell. But it was a daily ritual where you would listen to Bad Out of Hell. Yes. And my dad was always really, like, I've babysat before,

and kids just get obsessed with songs they want to hear over and over and over again. You get kind of frustrated. And I think when it's your own kid, you have a little bit more leeway to be like, not right now. How about we listen to something else? But my dad would let me like obsessively play things over and over and over again. I think when I was in seventh grade, I became obsessed with the song Your Smiling Face by James Taylor, which is like the cheesiest song. And we would listen to it on repeat for like 15 minutes every morning, at least. I mean, depending on traffic could be more like for months.

Whenever I see your smiling face for a loop. OK, but not the worst song selection for a seventh grade. No, not bad at all. Could be way worse. Could beimmy buffett which was mine i was like i was like a low-key music snob like when i was in eighth grade i went on an international choir tour to england scotland and wales with the tucson girls chorus of which i was a part for nine years wow this is i didn't know this yes big big choir geek and we went on like a beatles tour and i remember thinking that everyone else wasn't a true fan of the beatles like i thought isn't that what everyone thinks because none of my none of my girlfriends were like into

oldies they all loved like michelle branch right right which i like didn't i i was so jealous of michelle branch that i didn't like her if that makes any sense i just was like i would like to be michelle branch yeah what about you makes you able to do this i mean she could play the guitar which i definitely couldn't do but we're it's so fine it's fine but but like for that reason i was just like you guys don't actually love the Beatles. I love the Beatles because I would like wear an oversized Abbey Road T-shirt with jeans for like three years. Anyway, so yeah, that's my journey with culture. That's culture.

That's a culture journey. Michelle Branch, somebody came into the Story Pirates auditions yesterday and sang Michelle Branch. And then somebody came in later and sang Michelle Branch again. That's not. Michelle Branch got represented twice came in later and sang Michelle Branch again. That's not. Michelle Branch got represented twice yesterday at these auditions. So the people who just graduated from college were the last people who I overlapped with when I was an undergrad.

So they were freshmen when I was seniors and a couple of them reached out to me about Story Pirate auditions and they were like, what's your advice? I was just like, don sing disney or a musical theater song that's like my advice so you know what michelle branch like it works and we remembered them can i point out something some i was talking to someone about this and they brought up the fact that today's high school students will listen to panic at the disco as like an old band like the way that we might have listened to weezer, I guess, in high school. Yeah.

But isn't that crazy? That's horrid. But do you think that they actually are listening to Panic at the Disco? Is that a dumb question? I think they are. I think kids these days are loving like I Write Sins Not Tragedies. They're like, this is the best song ever. Like this is what they used to listen to 10 years ago.

Was it Panic at the Disco that kind of had like a comeback recently yeah i think they put out an album last year and they did yeah i'm like blink 182 and good charlotte are putting out new stuff i have to say that is one thing and good charlotte too that is one trend that i am so happy i said even at the time like this is not good i was good charlotte panic of the disco thing i was nope i think i liked the hits by good charlotte i never liked panic at the disco and i really didn't like fallout boy no i hated fallout brand new i hate it oh see okay i liked brand new guys no way i saw brand new in concert i saw them at madison square garden and they opened up for dashboard confessional who i love i did not hear of them until college oh excellent see they were big for me in high school and then in college they continued to be big like what's the

a mark of mission a brand of scar yeah yeah that is a really good album and it's so weepy and like twee and like sad yeah the most i think i thought that death cab for cutie and dashboard confessional i think in my mind growing, when I was in high school, I thought they were the same band. But it turns out it's Death Cab and Postal Service that were basically the same band. And I also now have since listened to Dashboard Confessional and they don't sound like Death Cab for Cutie really. But I think it was just something in the name that they're adjacent to each other.

Such Great Heights too. Such Great Heights, Postal Service. Oh yeah, you just said that. Can I say one thing about Michelle Branch real quick? Oh, please. Let's discuss Michelle Branch. It seems like we have two Michelle

Branch haters at the table. No, no, no. Not a hater, but acknowledging the fact that she's perfectly average, which honestly is like a wonderful thing sometimes. What was her song with Santana? Oh, All Game of Love. All in the game of love. Yeah, that one.

I hated that. Her debut album, The Spirit Room. You guys, I was obsessed with this. 2001, 2002 maybe, circa. I just had fantasies about her showing up at my middle school and playing a pop-up concert. She used to do that. And then her inviting me up on stage

so that we could do a duet of All You Wanted. Oh, my God. Something like you. That was the song they sang yesterday. Okay, that song is good. Yeah. That song is good. Just listen to her stuff again.

She ends every single word, syllable with eh. Yep. That's it. Matt called it. Everything. Yeah. She was giving that pop affectation. She came out at the same time as my mortal enemy, Avril Lavigne.

I loved Avril Lavigne. And I loved her beyond the first album. It's been so nice having Nicole on the show. You can't get rid of me, i don't think so honey avril levine is a fighter and i take that from her okay can i tell you i did like um girlfriend whatever hey hey you yeah that's i did not really like that song i liked her moody stuff because i was going you know because i i was a pre pre-teen yes and i and I just like needed that type of thing. I was embarrassed by her

public behavior like the wearing the tie and stuff like that. I didn't think that was cool. I didn't like idolize her but her music was like an emotional necessity for me. I agree. Her second album? And your tweens.

Do you remember? Yeah. That loved that song. Also, when I first heard I'm With You. That's Happy Ending, right? So much for my happy ending. I'm thinking about a different one from her first album, but that song was so good. And also, the better song on that album, I think is

I can't remember what one's called, but like the eighth track on that album, I loved. Because, you know, it was a CD. Well, when I first heard I on that album, I loved. Cause you know, it was a CD. Well, when I first heard I'm with you, I knew it was Avril Lavigne and we hadn't heard her sing like that up until that point. And when she started hitting her high notes at the end, I was like,

fuck. Right. She's actually good. And I'm so mad. I remember having that feeling about Katy Perry. I didn't, I really didn't like Katy Perry when she first came out, when I was like in high school.

And then when I realized she actually could came out when I was in high school. And then when I realized she actually could sing though, I was like, damn it. Can't she? No, I mean she... Her MTV Unplugged is that. MTV Unplugged.

That's what I was going to say. She's not like... I think that Taylor Swift has gotten better at singing over the course of her career. She got better microphones that correct her pitch. I'll tell you that.

Technology's gotten better. But I think she just sounds Over the course of her career. She got better microphones. That correct her pitch. I'll tell you that. That's definitely. But I think she. Technology's gotten better. But I think she just like. Sounds. Generally just sounds better. Like. More confident. Yeah.

Yeah. And. Katie. And that's. So when Taylor Swift first. Like started becoming popular. I was like. Yawn.

No thank you. And I felt the same way about. Katy Perry. Less yawn. More just like. Eye roll. Yeah. Exactly. Like I hated. I kissed a girl. Less yawn, more just like eye roll. Yeah, exactly.

Like I hated I kissed a girl. I just thought like, so what? I mean, that had one hit wonder written all over it. I know. But okay. But okay. So, you know, some modern culture. Did you guys see the recent video of Katy Perry on Ellen DeGeneres?

No. What did she do? The Orlando Survivor, right? So she's. Okay. So so two things i guess three things first of all katie perry like believe believes in like aliens and mermaids and all this stuff and she's like very she there are like lots of quotes from her in interviews where she reveals herself to be a weirdo but you don't actually hear her saying it so you so you kind of can interpret it however you want that's the first thing the second thing is is i have like a full-on fetish for ellen degeneres giving money to people like i've seen maybe every single video and the weird thing is i don't really like her show and

i hate how she talks to kids i think i find it really upsetting like i think she thinks kids are dumb and i think she talks to kids like they're dumb and that is always something that bothers me when anyone does it but like and she even has a like low-key very low-key like smug when she gives money to people because she just she knows the power she has and she i think she has a good heart and i think she's a good person but it's like i'm not she's smug she's smug like straight to anybody. But she's so self-righteous. But with those two things put together, Katy Perry. So so there was someone who survived the Orlando shootings and the song Rise by Katy Perry, I guess, just like got him through it like time in the hospital and stuff.

And so she brought Katy Perry onto the show to surprise him. And I mean, everyone's weeping. It's really touching and then and then katie perry says that she will pay for this guy's first year college because he wants to go to film school so it's all very moving but oh my god the turn here katie perry is insane. Like she just, she goes, she goes, you're a light. We're all lights. Like, and she just means it.

And it's crazy. It's crazy. She was married to Russell Brand. I have a Katy Perry story. Oh my God. Tell it. So in April, uh,

my friend, Jamie Malski, our friend, Jamie Malski and I, um, both went to this Hillary fundraiseriser concert oh yeah i remember that i got two free tickets but meanwhile we went i we went and it was all rich democrats and i felt really gross but we're sitting there and then katie perry's the headlining act so hillary goes

up to speak it's and she says a couple words and it's nice and then katie perry goes up and she has this huge set um and it's just beautiful like gay magic shit and then at one point Katy Perry like has to like so because the whole night has been speeches from like her campaign staff and Bill gave a speech and was amazing and Chelsea gave a speech Julianne Moore gave a speech bless bless and then Katy Perry just I guess has to like keep the pattern going and she has this break in her set where she just talks to us, to everybody in radio city. And she's like,

she just does not know how to, how to, how to talk about politics straight up. She's like, don't you want someone who has the blueprints for the house? So that you have Katie Perry, by the way, you have Bay that you have

bay windows so you gotta you gotta put you gotta know where to put the windows if you want the view and she just made

I'm even this is being very generous my impression is being very generous she was incoherent could not speak about fucking anything they probably picked up on that

because when she was at the DNC the first thing she said was I don't have an education but we all should have the option to and then she sang rise which i'm sorry that song is bullshit i don't care for it but can i tell you why i don't like avril lavigne because i was i was fine with avril i was accepting of her as like someone who was in the pop culture lexicon.

I was like, yeah, sure. I get complicated. Skater boy is fun. I'm with you. I've just heard it. And I guess she can really sing. But here's why I don't like Avril Lavigne. Here we go.

It is a moment. And when people show you who they are, believe them. Maya Angelou. Thank you, Maya Angelou, Oprah Winfrey, and Shonda Rhimes, the three women who said that. Yes. It's the chicken before the egg situation who said it first. Sure, sure, sure. We'll never know.

All contemporaries. They really came up together. Yeah, they did. I think they all shared a dorm at college. So basically, it was the 2001 VMAs. Okay. And it's, of course, the VMAs are at the end of the summer. And 2001, 2002, I'm sorry, excuse me, 2002.

So I'm in... Okay, so we're in a post-9-11 world. We're in a post-9-11 world. I'm in sixth grade. It's a summer after sixth grade. I'm going into seventh grade. I become obsessed with a little show called American Idol. I become devout towards kelly clarkson yes i've become well known well known if listeners

will know rule number six of culture matt loves kelly clarkson um so they had justin and kelly on the vmas to present the award for Best New Artist. They're up there and Kelly's doing her thing, which was her brand at the time, to be like, oh, where am I? I'm from Texas. She did it for such a long time. The highlights helped. The highlights helped. The chunky blonde highlights.

My mom to this day says, no one can pull off that chunky blonde highlight except Kelly Clarkson. To this day, she says it. Okay, so they're presenting. So they're presenting the award and she's playing her thing and doing her thing. She was, of course, being the perfect

George Bush era girl next door. Of course. We love it. Which is, you know, big reason why she took that title. Absolutely. Had never been on a it. Which is, you know, big reason why she took that title. Absolutely. Had never been on a plane. Never been on a plane. Yes, we all remember.

Burleson, Texas. So they're, you know, announcing the nominees and they cut to Avril Lavigne who's like fucking around in her seat with her band or whatever and like doing her own thing and like, you know,

sticking her tongue out of the camera and being like a punk rock princess. And then Avril Lavigne wins. So Avril lavigne like makes her way up to the stage and kelly clarkson goes to hug her oh no avril lavigne takes kelly's arm lifts it over her head pushes her out of the way takes the award and starts giving her speech and i was like i will never forget that's unacceptable and i am so pleased pleased that Kelly has had a longer career. And I think that it's karma. I think it's true karma.

How old do you think Avril Lavigne was at that time? Like 19? Like 18 or 19. Wow. Because it literally just occurred to me that she was really young. Yeah, she was. That was like a thing at the time.

It was like, people, guys were like, oh, I think she's really fucking hot. Like on like the radio, the guys would call her and they'd be like, yeah, I've been hearing this song and like I saw her on TRL

and she's hot. And the DJs would be like, well, she's 18. Which was like, I've now realized has been like a running thing. Like Britney Spears being this like object

of everyone's sexual desire and she was like 16 17 people trying to know for sure whether or not Britney Spears was a virgin was such a massive part of popular culture it was in her breast implants too yeah that was well that was like even like a joke on in like SNL when she was in the opening monologue yeah when her boobs started moving yeah what she was such a good sport Which she was such a good sport about. She was such a good sport about it. I get too sad talking about Britney.

But hold on. Yeah, me too. I listened to her a lot today, actually. Britney's second time hosting SNL was phenomenal. She was so good. No, she was great. She was a good host. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean. She had a good turn on Will and Grace, too. I gotta say. Oh, my God. And How I Met Your Mother. Yeah. I've not seen. I've never seen an episode of How I Met Your Mother. But I will say that I think the part of the brain of like Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan

that is just like an absolute shitstorm of chaos that makes them unhealthy is probably what also makes them good at like doing a live show like snl yeah with like not having any experience and just being like i can do this yeah a hundred percent like i don't think they're unrelated yeah no lindsey lohan was also amazing she was so good that's like one of the best epis yeah yeah i'll never forget i will never forget this is a big part of my culture harry potter sketch no i was thinking harry potter sketch yes but same episode when they do the it was the first ever debbie downer yeah debbie downer and it was disney world which is like so you it's very me the whole thing was and i remember when they started breaking i just like literally was gasping for air in my bedroom.

And that was when I truly fell in love with SNL. You watched that back again and you still laughed. I know. It's so genuine. It's so good. It's so good. And also, we met a writer at SNL. His name is James Anderson.

James Anderson. Hi, James. Who wrote literally all my favorite sketches. And I was finding out in the moment of meeting him that he had written all my favorite sketches like deep house dish gays in space gays in space probably wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with all those other sketches I think co-wrote a lot of the Gemini's twin sketches I love he he was the gay voice that that like little boys like Matt and I at the time grew up with from like this is so funny.

We're responding to this. We want that. I just loved telling him, thank you for literally writing sketches that made me laugh for reasons that I didn't even know why. It was so emotional. It just touched a nerve in me. Sudi introduced us to him. Yeah, it was crazy. And then he was just in his office watching that episode.

It was the Julie Leary Dreyfuss one from last season. And then he sat with us and watched the rest of the episode and then we talked about Drag Race he loved Thorgy he loved Bob it was just this beautiful and then I literally I had the instinct to be like I'm sorry but I feel like I have to ask this did you have anything to do with

Deep House Dish and he was like yeah that was mine and I literally exploded I was like that was my whole life do you remember the sketch deep house? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Whenever it would come on, I would explode. Yeah.

Oh, so good. James Anderson. Culture. It's important. Culture is everywhere. Everywhere. That's not even a rule. That's just a.

That's just a fact. That's just an overhanging. That's just a theme of life. One more. One more quick thing about Avril and then we'll move on to our episode. Sure. I don't know how I feel about the fact that avril has literally taken over this podcast i've worked so hard to build avril lavigne get out of here go one last thing her song for the aragon soundtrack

phenomenal don't know it oh keep holding on yeah there's nothing you could say nothing you can do there's no other way when it comes to the truth. I love it. Not even ringing a bell. Not even. Well, they did it on Glee and it was pretty emotional. You know, it was when Glee was good in season one. Did you like Glee?

Okay. I really liked Glee the first season. I will say, you know, the magnifying glass on your Instagram where it's like discover. Yes. There's something sinister in my algorithm that glee fan art makes up 50 of it how and i don't know how but it's like it's it's so people that are still making glee fan art to this day yes what are they drawing what are they making i don't know well and so much of it is unfamiliar to me because i think I only really watched the first season of Glee. Maybe the second season. I truly can't remember.

But yeah, it's like I just want to go there and discover as Instagram wants me to, but I cannot because there is so much Glee content. Glee was truly good for 13 episodes. It was truly good. It was actually pretty good. I was always weirded out by matthew morrison's character yeah i felt like i was so sexually unsure of what i was supposed to make of him i was pretty sure it's actually what i was making of him but i understand i definitely wanted to fuck will schuster in fact much more than I was interested in any of like... Schuster was Matthew Morrison. Yeah.

But you mean the character. Wasn't into, you know, rest in peace, Corey Monteith. Wasn't into Puck, who, that's a crazy story. Yeah, that is a crazy story. That's insane. That is insane. But it's also not surprising. Like, it's crazy, but you're just like i mean i guess yeah yeah you know who was hot was the blonde guy that came on like later in the show i don't know what the hell was his name honestly who knows you know britney like britney that actress was just a backup dancer for beyonce and then she got cast she was on beyonce's episode of snl yeah and then she got

cast on glee as just like a dancer and then her character just like broke out and like my mod team at ucb used to be like permanently stationed on the schedule after gravid water and diana agron was on an up on uh on gravid water one week and i just saw her backstage and i was just like you are so gorgeous i've seen her in person too i mean she's beautiful yeah she's absolutely gorgeous she just has this big smile and she's so radiant was she good i didn't see it because i was just there for a show she was supposed to do the dcm gravid water and then something happened where she couldn't do it but she was gonna come she keeps doing that must mean she's good i think she probably is good i think she was good on the show i mean backstage she was just like you know palling around and she just seemed

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. Who I heard is an absolute nightmare and this will shock no one is Lea Michele. In fact, I have a friend who was at the same party as her and this might

be a little telling, but he went to the closet to get his coat i know open the door and there was leah michelle rifling through all the coats and the host of the party said leah what are you doing and she just came out and said i was looking for drugs can i say that on here i mean we're spelling all the time and then you hear about cory monteith and actually i had another friend who we all know i'll tell you guys off the air but he's was friends with the cast member on glee and apparently yeah they all are big we're big drug users surprising and again not surprising but it's like yeah you give you give kids that

age a lot of fucking money or honestly not even kids young adults that age pretending to be kids a lot of having a false sense of freedom in LA where you don't necessarily have that much to do. That's why I think, like Bowen and I are going out to LA. I know. And people keep saying there's no culture there. There's no culture there. It's boring.

And I feel like, yeah, well, maybe that's the case of why people get involved in such weird shit around there is because there's not much to do and they have a lot of money. Is L.A. different from New York? I think I hear that it is. I hear that there's a debate to be had about L.A. versus New York. Not a lot of people talk about the differences between L.A. and New York.

I just, you know, if someone thinks that one's better than the other, I'd love to hear their thoughts. Yeah. I would love to hear how you get around in L.A. You know. Yeah. I hear they have Uber, but, you know, I'm love to hear their thoughts yeah i would love to hear how you get around in la um you know yeah here i hear they have uber but you know i'm willing to hear more yeah um guys episode today's episode you know this is this is a moment because all stars 2 has been so good we can agree it's so good it has changed television i agree and actually i mean it's like feels so stupid to say but it actually has changed my life i would a hundred percent agree with you the mentalities

like i i this is maybe gonna sound bizarre but i thought today on the subway if i ever saw rupa what would i say to him and our friend janie stoller has seen rue and she and she did the she handled it the best the best way possible yes yeah she is because she knows him she's an idol she knows how he thinks yeah she's a genius she basically just put her head down walked next to him and said i just want you to know that i love you and then what did he say he looked and he said i love you too and he meant it he meant it and like the thing is anyone who doesn't know anything about RuPaul thinks that that's a joke

because you say like, and he meant it. And, and you know, you laugh because for other people that would be insane. But for Ru, it's true.

It's true. And then look, 2012, right after I graduated from college, I was on the train. And then we, we, we stopped at wall street

and then people in the car screamed, look, that's RuPaul. And RuPaul had just come out of a car, was in this beautiful suit, looked so good. And just threw up a peace sign and just waved at people and just looked so cool. Well, he's a deity. But just a radiant person. You're like, your eye goes straight to that person no matter what you think of that person. I was just like, oh God, RuPaul's beautiful.

Well, I would say just for myself, just like the little nuggets of wisdom that he drops make it very clear to me that this is a way to live your life. I had to literally pause the episode. So I mean, we're recording this. The third episode just came out last night. Yes.

And the first two episodes were like these supersized drama filled and like in wisdom filled episodes. And last night was like a more traditional clipping along sort of epi. But when they were doing the judging at the end and Katya was being criticized for her princess die, which, you know, we'll talk. Yes. But when Rue was like, to be fair. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, to be fair, you know, Princess Dai is the only person being portrayed here that we actually know what she looked like. And maybe Katya didn't have the same creativity or didn't have the same leeway to be creative as the other queens. Right, which is so perceptive. I paused the episode and I turned to Branson and I was like,

I mean, Rue did not have to say that. Yeah, no, that's true. But I mean, which is such like a, it's a small, that's a small element of why. But it's a glimpse into the brilliance of Rue. But then, but then when Rue said that,

I was like, but wait a minute, Roxy played Ava Peron. And you technically have photography, but maybe it's not like as burned into the consciousness of. First of all, I don't even. The world.

We'll get to that. I would just say like, for me, what makes the whole idea of Rue, Rue coming forward, like being in the consciousness and saying like, you know, we're all born naked and the rest is drag. That is so freeing. Revolutionary.

It's just because I think it's truly the first time like and of course, as you get into it, as you go into adulthood and as you kind of, you know, mature, you do realize like, what is this and what is this and why do I dress this way and why are they selling me things all the time and why this I remember the first time I ever I think I've said this before but the first time I ever became aware of the fact that I was like a pawn in society is when Sudi and I were watching the x-factor and Sudi said count how many pepsi cans you see and I was like oh my god and all of a sudden I realized that I was being aggressively catered to as a consumer and they and they didn't care about me as a person and i was like whoa what's the world and then rupaul talking about like the matrix yeah like the world is the matrix and whether you're going to be a participant in that or not once you realize it's the matrix then you can really have fun and you know what too like the man behind the curtain the wizard of oz i think

about that all the time movie is the wizard of oz yeah talking about when you see the man behind the curtain your instinct is to be angry and then you you can decide later to not be angry you can just play in the matrix and decide to have fun with it i mean the thing about rupaul that is that makes him in my mind like such a religious figure is he truly has a, a stock, like stock philosophies. And it, I mean, it's,

it's Jesus ask in that there are these sets of principles that are completely, he completely inhabits them. Yes. He shares them with everybody. Yeah. They're for everybody. Yeah. it's all from a place of love and it's it's not like he's not really a very fluid figure in the sense that like he's he

doesn't have this kind of like evolving uh philosophy that like changes depending on the setting it's like no you hear him talk about the same things over and over again, and they're always true. And it's so advanced. And you go back and watch older stuff where he's talking, and it's the same nuggets of wisdom. You hear him talk about the inner saboteur. Yes. You could probably find him talking about it 50 times.

Yeah. And it's always correct. Like that's the thing that's stunning. You know what I, you know what I've been really stewing on lately and like, this has been with me for years, but like lately I've really paid attention to this is the Mark Maron episode where.

Calls coming from inside the house. Yes. That. That but related to that, this part where he goes, after he talks about the Wizard of Oz and he was like, and you know what? It's like Dorothy realizes at the end of the movie, like, it was always in her to go home.

She always had the power, and she just didn't realize it. And she didn't realize it until after she saw the man behind the curtain. And then she realizes, oh, I've had it in me all this time. Yeah, no one could do it for me. And isn't that, like, so liberating? I know that sounds so cheesy, but, like, no. The Wizard of Oz is incredible. Ugh. Amazing. That's an amazing story. Yeah. Isn't that like so liberating? I know that sounds so cheesy, but like the world of us is incredible. Oh,

that's an amazing story. Yeah. It's just like, and is RuPaul a Buddhist? No. No. What is it? Well,

I mean, he, he, he's, he practices yoga. Yeah. I mean, I'm,

I'm not saying like as a religious practice, I'm just saying like he's, he's very spiritual and like connected with like his body and like you know just kind of the other but i don't think he prescribes to anything yeah well not that i know of right yeah right right and i because i've been trying it's the closest i've felt to feeling religious in a long time wow to be honest yes because i finally have mantras that i can say and And I've been able to, I think, help people by telling them this. You know, we have a mutual friend who was struggling a long time. And we had lunch.

And I feel like just by telling that person, like, you know, life is drag. Like, I feel like that helped. And then something huge happened. Something huge happened to that friend. And so, like, I don't know. I just feel like it means everything to just say, you know what? I'm actually going to make the decision to not care and just do me. Because who made the rules anyway?

Exactly. You know, I remember, like, just before I ever started to, like, feel like I, quote, unquote unquote was doing well and kind of knew myself as a comic, I had people that I looked up to and I really wanted to find out why. And then I went to go see Josh and Aaron's – Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson's UCB show, Fucking Identical Twins at UCB. And Shannon O'Neill came out and she said something beforehand, which was the reason why this show works is because they don't give a fuck. Yeah. Like they do them. And then I clocked that. And then I also read yes,

please by Amy Poehler. And she said something like when you're having fun, everyone is. Well, and that's what I was going to say is like, uh, I never really thought about fun until recently like i just i i think i am i'm a pretty i can be kind of intense i think for being a comedian i'm a very serious person for the most point part um and like i i because i'm not naturally carefree I always had linked being carefree to having fun or that fun

is like an activity not the result of an activity I was like well let's do something fun and then whether or not you have fun is irrelevant but there's but Rue Rue is constantly

in the pursuit of fun and like fun in a way that is just, I mean, it's there for everybody and there's something deeper to it. But since seriously letting Rue into my life and my headspace, I've developed more of a taste and an instinct for finding fun

and kind of realizing that actually should be the main mission. What Rue says is that fun is not a carefreeness or a carelessness. It's actually an awareness of circumstances. Yes. And we're talking about RuPaul guys. I'm just saying this in a way that sounds very cultish, but I think it's like,

I'm fine with it, but like Rue has changed my life yes she he you know i mean i just feel i can speak about well the thing about rue is that rue is like not without problems no of course because when it comes to things like gender identity and language like it's so weird like okay donald Trump will come in front of a group and he'll be like, people want to say this about me, but it's just words. And obviously he doesn't mean it because he's so sensitive. And and you read it as defensiveness and you see it as kind of childishness, like immaturity. It's it's weird to see it's but it's stranger to see rupaul talk about words

because he means it yes and when he says words do not matter and that it doesn't matter what you call something and it doesn't and that words can't hurt you it's like that's not true for most people yeah and it's and it's in some ways like a little irresponsible to like, that's not true for most people. And it's, and it's in some ways like a little irresponsible to like believe that that is how it works. But there is like inspiration that I draw from seeing him like kind of reach this enlightened state where he's like, you cannot touch me.

I mean, yeah, I was talking to Dylan Marinon about that very thing because I was just really worked up one day after some internet commenter said something very derogatory. And Dylan deals with that every day. Yeah, he really does. And then we were talking about this exact

point that Ruth says, that words don't matter and words shouldn't hurt you. And we were like, but wait a minute, that doesn't seem congruent to this other philosophy that's built around RuPaul. And so, yeah, that is Well, that's to this other philosophy that's built around RuPaul. And so, yeah, that is. Well, that's drag, though, I think. Yeah, yeah.

And again, you could also say, you know, choosing to be offended or seek out that kind of situation is, you know, being a part of the matrix. And willingly being a participant in the acceptance of the bullying you're going to go through. And so I guess, what I think RuPaul, for example, he had to take out the, you got shemale.

And everything, after contestants that had been on the show were upset about it and spoke out about it. I think RuPaul, maybe he wouldn't admit this, but I think he truly feels a little bit offended and feels a little bit like you seriously this is so obvious that you're gonna like decide to turn against me like rupaul i've heard him say like i've been on the front lines yeah like he's just upset i think and maybe a little irritated at himself for being upset and

allowing himself to get upset about it because i think he is that like these people that he represents i think are biting the hand way and like are not even biting the hand but like being ungrateful yeah and i do think that he probably checked his own ego about it or is aware of the fact that that is the ego rising. Well, I think, I think it's, it's hard. Cause it's like,

I don't think he means that words don't matter. No, I just think it means that you can rise above words that like, that, that, that that's the self prevails. Yeah. It's,

it's really complicated because words, words really can hurt you you but they make a point about it on this episode you know what i mean they get into it oh my gosh i mean like i honestly i have to tell you i'm like feeling overwhelmed right now because there's so much i want to talk about because there's rue there's rue as the person the guru there's rue as the host and the mastermind yeah and then there's just the fucking show that I just, I mean, the show. I think that especially right now

in like the trajectory of the season right now, they all are very intertwined. So let's start talking about the show. We're getting deep. Can I just say we've gotten deep as shit. Yes. But you know, I have had a hard year and like I just, you know, and it happens.

And like I just, I've had like just, I've just had some shit this year. And I, and watching RuPaul's Drag Race has been a vital part of my self-care. Oh, huge. I mean, massive, massive. And it's not just listening to the Marin interview, which I do. I mean, I re-listened to that one because it's just so good. And it's like re-watch be confusing because drag is not is not my part of my culture. And I'm and and there are certain things that by doing it, it's appropriation. And so I can never fully be like in the fandom as much as a gay man can as it should be but like you kind of it's kind of what makes you like a true follower if that makes any sense like i can't put myself in the place of a

contestant or even a judge on the show just by by ruling out like identity but because of the overarching philosophy that rue has that we're all born naked and the rest is drag like you can really get like as close as you possibly can and still be a part of it all it's kind of bizarre and even matt and i as gay men who don't do drag cannot fully like place ourselves and like immerse ourselves in in in the same way it's like there can't be a full parody of of the things of identity it's yeah it's so fascinating because the show is truly for everyone i've never met someone who started watching the show and did not fall in love with it exactly and branson my boyfriend straight man uh is part of our

we have a facebook fan group where we discuss yeah and branson is a part of br uh is part of our we have a facebook fan group where we discuss and branson is part of the group and he reads everything but he doesn't comment and he just he and whether or not there's a right answer or not he just is like he is even not than just being a straight man he's like it's just he's like i have opinions and i love talking about them in person he's like but it feels like co-opting the conversation from the place of a straight man he's like I just can't do it I can say that I

welcome those conversations with everybody I mean me too I truly just want to talk about it with anyone who will listen anyone I just I guess I just I just don't care I just think it's fun I think it's fun for everybody. And also you have to remember, talking about what belongs to who,

we're watching men dress up as women. Yes. And it's more than that. Yeah. But the thing is we have a contemporary too. And I would like to hear what you have to think about this, Nicole. Okay. And this is a great friend of all of ours

and I don't even remember, I don't even know if she remembers saying this. I know, yes. But one time I was discussing RuPaul's Drag Race with this person and she said, yeah, it's fun. It's just a shame that drag queens hate women. And I really,

and this is an extremely smart person and I really had to think about and consider that point of view. And I don't even know if they still feel this way. But I really had to think about and consider. And what do you think about that ideology? Well, I think it's hard because I don't think that a lot of drag queens are dressing up as women. That's not how I think of it. A woman would never dress like that's not how i think a woman would never

dress it's female illusion in every sense of the word for yeah for some and then for others it's a character that is an expression of femininity but it's not it's not an expression of womanhood right there's there's so because and and this is this is a thought that i have uh when we see on rupaul's drag race or in a live performance of drag we're watching the height of a portrayal of an empowered woman and that is not exactly how the natural state of womanhood in our society we don't when we picture a woman on the street, we don't see them as a supermodel of the world. And we don't see them, we see them functioning in society, interacting with other people and experiencing the oppression that comes along with that. And when we think of an empowered woman, it comes in many, many different forms.

But in a lot of ways, we perceive beauty as a weakness that undermines a woman's strength of character because we are kind of trained when we're growing up that your appearance is antithetical to your intelligence or to your sense of self or your creativity or whatever even though of course it isn't but because the appearance of drag is so um crucial to to its success and and so we're watching we're watching women and even when we say like oh she's so fishy or she she passes or you know whatever we say it's not it's not passes as a woman on the street it passes as a supermodel of the world exactly and so it's it's like i think it's a love of it's a celebration yeah it's a celebration it's a love of what womanhood could be like i watch i watch drag queens on the runway and i just see a type of pride

yeah that i like a spot that i feel proud yes so i don't know i mean it's it's hard like i think that there is um when when i i know what i know where the thought is coming from of like well it make because it does make fun of elements of femininity but i think that those elements that are being ridiculed are the things that it's holding up a mirror. It's not the things that women make fun of them themselves. It's, it's, it's taking possession of what society deems as being like something humorous

or low about being a woman. My instinct, my instinct, I think that was extremely well said. And my instinct when I heard this was to of course defend the show and defend the queens and defend rupaul um because i truly feel like it's a celebration yeah i really do i feel like it's i really feel like it's um born out of admiration and celebration yeah um and i to to hear that someone could be offended by it like really like send something off in me i

was like oh no god no well because yeah the other thing is excuse me um drag race is so unique because it literally launches careers and so there's also a certain desperation and ambition that you see in the show that you definitely see in other in other reality shows but it's not as authentic because the it's just when you want to win american idol it's for the chance to become a star when you want to win rupaul's drag race it is to become a star to become the biggest thing in your industry. Yeah. I mean, you really, you, you walk away, even if you don't win.

I mean, they've won by being a contestant. Yeah. You can come in seventh and you can walk away being like, I never have to have a day job again. Right. I mean, can you imagine?

No, I'm honestly, it's, it's crazy. I mean, and that's like, that's like, you know,

RuPaul, the mastermind. Right. And, and, you know, he says like, you know, this last like that's like you know rupaul the mastermind right and and you know he says like you know this last season being like you know the 100th queen walking in was derrick barry and be him being like you know this i mean it's launched the careers of 100 queens

and then like also by association like their close friends you know i think like thorgy's success is her crew's success in a way. It's her, it's like Ruby's success. Right. In a way, you know. Yeah. I would be interested in how they feel about it, but you know, it's definitely turns the heads

in all the directions. Like I say about everything, you know, Frank Garcia-Hell just posted something like, this is going to be the amount of the time of year where a lot of our contemporaries get pretty cool jobs and let's be happy for them. And I agree like a rising tide lifts all ships, but I truly does.

Yeah. And I think like, um, that's what, with the Queens too. And also drag in general, RuPaul's nominated for an Emmy. Oh my God.

You look at the contest, you look at the competition and you're like, come on. I mean, any, you watch one episode and you're like come on i mean anyway you watch one episode and you're like yeah what okay wait okay so so this season yeah let's talk about the season uh do you think i mean i i have a question for you guys yes because listeners we have not been able to talk in person about the show yet so this is this for us and for you. This is for us and for you.

Okay. Do you guys think that, okay, for people who don't watch the show, typically the way that the elimination works in a normal season is that the bottom two lip sync for their life and that the person who then loses, RuPaul chooses the winner and the loser and the loser goes home. Yep. In this season of All Stars, the top two lip sync for their legacy. The person who wins chooses who of the bottom two gets to go home. Yes.

Do you think that the agony and the emotion that the queens are feeling is what they thought was going to happen? Or did you think that it was going to be more that producers thought it was going to happen? Or did you think that it was going to be more, that producers thought it was going to be more of like a fun, catty thing with drama, but everyone's going to be like, well, bitch, we're here to win, so this is the way it is. I think that it depends on the contestant. And I think that, for example, Alyssa Edwards,

who is honestly my favorite, I don't know that she will deserve to win in the end. I think it's very tough to debate against Alaska. I think Alaska is maybe one of the best drag queens ever of all time. I love her. I mean, but I think that Alyssa Edwards being so kind of not anguished about this whole thing means that she gets it. You know what I mean?

And I think, of course, the producers want there to be agony and drama. That's why they sprung on them at the last second. Yeah, but those first two episodes were tough. And we had known before. Well, yeah, we had it spoiled. We had it spoiled.

We knew from some intel that this was going to be the elimination process. In my mind, it was going to be a lot more lighthearted. Like fun. Yes. Because in a normal season where they're not all such close friends, it would be like, thank God I finally have the opportunity to send Derek home. Yeah, yeah.

But now it's tough because they have existing relationships. But I also think Ginger Minj, who just got eliminated by Alyssa, her career doesn't hurt for not going on more weeks on the show. You know what I mean?

You think Katya's would have? No, I don't think so at all. I don't think any of their careers are affected by it. Yeah. I think these are all working queens who are at the height of their fields. I think these are all working queens. Established.

Who are at the height of their fields. I think Coco Montrese will have the same or not better career that she has. Do you think that the tweets between Coco and Roxy, what do you think about that? I think it probably feels authentic. Coco's probably really mad. Or if this is like a setup for Coco Richard. It's just like a year later.

And it's like, do you actually really have those harsh feelings towards roxy a year later i think we have to remember that it's drag and i think some of them get it and some of them don't and i think some of them are playing into it or i think i think all of this is being exhumed for coco because of the social media reaction they're like wow coco roxy really fucked you over follow-up question i mean like i was thinking about this today do you think that the bit about Fifi getting death threats was added into the episode after Fifi got death threats last week? I can't

really get a grasp on this. And this is like something that I'm thinking about. So for those of you who may not be familiar with it, there's a character I'm going to call them characters. Good answer. They make them into on the show. There's a contestant on the show on All Stars 2, Fifi O'Hara, who was on season four of RuPaul's Drag Race and really has the...

Truly the villain. The persona is... Nightmare. She's the villain of the series. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was the most knowing, vicious contestant in series history. She was a bully. She was mean. Manip history. She was a bully.

She was mean. Manipulative. She was intolerant. She was selfish. Toxic. She was toxic. It was horrible. And she's back on the show.

And she was 20 and she was 25 at the time. So not a baby. You know what I mean? Definitely not to say that you can't be going through difficult things.

I mean, Adora is 25 now. Yeah. So the thing is she's come on All Stars 2, and it's been pretty clear from the episode. For her redemption. And she wants to reestablish her legacy as someone who isn't mean, as someone who isn't manipulative. As a transformed queen,

because the main conflict was that she thought that, I mean, kind of similar to Roxy. She thought that pageant queens were true drag queens and that everyone else was a hack. Roxy thought that comedy queens were a hack and Fifi thought that Sharon, a spooky queen, was a hack. Fifi called Sharon Needles, go back to Party City where you belong.

And that was the highest insult you could do. You're a fucking cheap ass joke queen but if you rewatch that fight that is not the meanest thing she says no no no what else did she say she's the meanest too oh but no no but even that fight where she's yelling at Sharon

I rewatched that fight and go back to party city where you belong is like the line but the whole thing is like oh yeah kind of worse than that because because uh sharon goes to her sharon goes to her and she's like well okay so i guess what i'll say is the meanest thing that fifi says she goes you're not my sister yeah that i think that's like kind of brutal like because sharon says i just wanted to tell you because you're my sister like a sister i came to you like a sister and she goes, you're not my sister.

Yeah. Which is like hard. Yeah. And so basically. Can you imagine someone saying that in All Stars 2? I mean, it's unthinkable.

So basically, what's going on in All Stars 2 is she's come on and she's like, look, that wasn't me. I've grown up a lot. I said all those things,

but I've changed. And now. And my style of drag has changed. I'm actually more like Sharon now than Sharon is. Yeah. Which is laughable. She's now become a more creative artistic. changed and now and my style of drag has changed i'm actually more like sharon now than sharon is yeah and now she's now become a more creative uh cosplay queen which for cosplay queen does not equal cutting edge okay keep going so honey she however has been edited into a sort of villain edit again and you would think that someone with experience on a reality show

who knows should know what not to do to get this edit just wouldn't give them the soundbite yeah but she's a fully come for beloved queen alissa edwards saying she's not that funny is too much and like is distracting and just like keeps coming for her and it's like so what's the deal here so i mean so fifi went on her twitter last week and she said i'm watching this episode at the same time you guys you are i'm devastated i had no idea i was going to be getting this villain edit again the editors have screwed me over the producers have screwed me over i'm getting death threats all over again this is a nightmare and other queens came to her defense and were like she was not that bad or what

etc etc etc and and those of us on our facebook group where we discuss and ruminate on ruminate on the episodes we were saying like do we think it's a do we think it's producer driven do we think it's fifi driven and i had said i will totally believe that in this particular episode she got a villain edit even though she didn't do anything wrong but i do not think that the producers particular episode, she got a villain edit, even though she didn't do anything wrong. But I do not think that the producers would set her up with a villain edit if she did not have material to deliver down the line. There you go.

And even in this episode, before last episode, there was nothing that she said that was unsavory, like in her talking head confessionals. It was just, it was like this perceived kind of like back alley yeah you know kind of uh mind games that she was playing but in this past week's episode she had some talking heads to the camera where she was being talking shit about alissa

and it's like okay so so first of all i know that there's a big fight coming because it is being built up like there's a big fight. But I mean, you said that to producers. Just don't do it if you don't think it's going to be included. You can't say that it's an edit if it's what you were saying to producers. But to answer your question about whether or not that whole segment, that whole package about her getting death threats for a full year was authentic. Like it seemed to have worked into the workroom scenes where Detox and Fifi were sort of apologizing. I think so too.

I just have a gut feeling that producers added that part into the episode before it aired this week after last week. Like they shot pickups? No, like I think they had that footage and then they were like, let's add in some stuff about that because I feel like last week the blowback to Fifi was so brutal. There's a part of me that thinks that producers were like,

oh, no, no, no. We don't want her getting death threats anymore and like added in like a little bit of a sob story. Because Matt was pointing out how fifi had this whole section what were you saying i was just saying the edit of the show is confusing this week yeah it makes me feel like maybe the show is confusing us a little bit on purpose so i think that for the whole first half of the episode you can't get around the fact that

literally in the in the opening when they all come back into the workroom and they're getting changed out of their outfits from the runway for the last night, Fifi immediately goes off on Alyssa. It's recurring throughout the episode. She says something to Alyssa while they're rehearsing. They have a whole section of Ginger Minj

assessing Fifi's behavior where she's like, Fifi is acting manipulative and I think it's because she came on the show to do this, blah, blah, blah. I loved that part from Ginger. Yeah, Ginger was great. Ginger was great in that episode. Because also, she started off and she was genuine.

She goes, I love Fifi. And you know it's true. And she was like, but. Yeah, that was a great moment. Like, that pause was, mm. Yeah, it's tasty. I mean, also, the show is so knowing about the edit now. Like, cutting to the producer saying, Kat so knowing about the edit yes now like cutting to the producer

it is such a meta show like about the sound bites about coming back into the workroom like the show is so knowing about its edit it knows what it's doing so then well especially for something like all stars it's like you know it's us watching the show it's not first time viewers for the first half of the whole episode it was fifi this way and then to have that segment in there about how Fifi is getting death threats and have that talking head of respected Queen Alaska saying, shut the fuck up to everyone who's a hater.

Basically, I'm just very interested to see what the end game is with Fifi with this season because they are giving us two different things. Maybe it is producers doing damage control. That's what, I mean, that was my theory. It seemed so out of place that I was just like,

they, they had this footage and I'm sure they just were like, we, we are moving forward with our storyline for in the season, but we, but we gotta, we gotta take out a couple minutes of, you know,

cause, um, there was no video. Here's another thing. There was no video from Rio at the beginning of the episode where she, she just came in. There was no mini challenge. So,

I mean, there was a part of me that was like, this was added in. Yeah. It's just, it's see, I mean, it's a,

it's a conspiracy theory, but, but it is, but it is my conspiracy theory that it was added in as reaction to last week where fifi bad mouth producers for saying that they were giving her a villain edit needlessly which is you know honestly tough to dispute i mean there was there was a part in this episode where um she she says something to Alyssa about her. Okay, so the part where they're sitting in the chairs and she's talking about the dress.

That part was like, Fifi, shut the fuck up. But the part where they're just kind of kidding around on the stage and she says something and she's like, how was my date? Was it good or really good? I mean, like both of them cracked up at that i don't think that that was like that seemed like no i would say that's a bow during rehearsal all the time oh i mean like it's a joke who's the fifi there i'm i'm the fifi no no you're no i'm the fifi who do you think you're you're most spiritually aligned with yeah a. A hundred percent. I would do her for Snatch Game if I had the chance.

I'm a Katya. You are a Katya? I'm a Jujubee. But that's an old one. We're talking about all time? All time. Oh, all time. That's hard.

I still think I'm Alyssa. I think you try to confine within the season just because it's otherwise too broad. I want to say this is it's crazy if I say Alaska, but that's not even, I would say Katya too, because I'm not like, because I, because when she said I finally feel like a star, I was like, Oh my God, I know. That was huge. I was like, wait, I don't, I don't, I don't fully relate to that in this, in some way, but like, that is so,

that's so cool. I love Katya. I mean, she is amazing. I think and, and you know what sucks is we're going to watch the next episode and the narrative is gonna be well Alyssa just broke the rules that we created and sent Ginger home but the only people who care about the rules are people who I don't want

on the show anymore anyway and Detox and Roxy I'm not a huge Detox fan but I know you guys I've been thinking a lot about Detox I think Detox wants to win very badly I know I just think about Detox. I think Detox wants to win very badly. I know.

I just think that Detox's strengths are only going to be on the runway. I think Detox is a good lip syncer and performer, but I said this on the thread today. It's interesting to watch the lip sync between Detox and Alyssa this week because you just don't watch Detox. You can't compete with Alyssa. You can't take your eyes off Alyssa Edwards. She does the most interesting things. Her Annie Oakley

was so funny. You're not able to look away from her. And also, it's not even just her performance. It's the way she does her makeup. It's the way she looks. Her eyes explode off the stage. I think she's an underrated queen in terms of her looks. I will say that, Alyssa. I think that she's an underrated queen in terms of her looks I will say that Alyssa

I think that she's got a distinct look that is Alyssa Edwards like something about the way she does her eyes yes like you just know it's her it's like when you turn on the radio and you know it's Rihanna you know what I mean there's just something Alyssa is the Rihanna of drag

what I'm saying is it's like it's distinct it's distinct it's not just good it's also distinct like Roxanne Andrews is good but is it distinct there is something

to be said where my people at there is something to be said and I think Alaska is representing this so well Alaska used to have

a distinct signature look like the high hair the beehive whatever but this season she's shown how diverse she is that sleek

lob from last week i gagged that was the gag of the season for me so far was alaska yes the latex look somebody said it's what taylor swift wish she looked like at the med ball and i was like that's literally it that's true i hated taylor swift's look at the med ball yeah she but it's where she first started dancing with Tom Hiddleston if you believe what the people want you to I literally have already talked I've got so many if you think that Taylor Swift actually had jury duty you are mistaken honey

no no no she looked too unkempt that is not oh okay the day after the vmas when she wasn't there we're suddenly the story comes out oh i had jury duty oh taylor swift of the people she goes to jury duty she took a picture with my mom uh-huh i just don't believe anything about her is authentic okay i don't know i feel bad but it's just like i feel bad i don't know don I feel bad, but it's just like, I feel bad. I don't know. Don't feel bad. The thing is,

she's had such a weird arc and like we fall in love with her. We hate her. We fall back in love. We hate her again. I mean, she's now gotten to the place where she's too far away. Yeah, she's too far gone.

She's just too far away and like I will always enjoy her music. I'm sure it will. I like her music. I love what she does for her fans. I do not care about who she dates and how many. That is her prerogative. You go, girl.

He wore a shirt that said, I heart TS to the beach. It's not okay. But he was paid to wear it, honey. But what's the function? Like, why? It can only help his career. It's literally to lie to everyone, though.

It's like, so people in, like, middle America, they believe it. And's literally to lie to everyone, though. It's like so people in like middle America, they believe it. And that to me is manipulative. And that makes her no better than Fifi O'Hara. Can't she do the Gaga thing and lay low for a little bit? She is. She has posted like four things on Instagram since the video.

And they're all birthday posts for friends. Happy birthday, Selena Gomez. She literally said to Kanye West on the thing, i'm like this close to overexposure she's aware of it yeah i hate it oh that video is so great because she sounds so fucking fake on it oh the video is good the video is good kim is a genius oh god i just love anything i i i'm a little bit like let's burn the World about the whole thing, where I just want to know. I want every gay celebrity to come out. I want everything revealed.

I just want this. I just don't think it's good to have everyone have all the lies. I don't think it's good for people that are growing up. No, it's not. And I have to say, I love the drama. No, it really isn't. I mean, I love the drama. No, it really isn't. I mean, I love the drama. I love the conspiracies.

I do believe the conspiracies. But it's so easy to not like her, in my opinion. That's true. Not because of the collection of the friends or any of that stuff. It's because she is so protect. Like, to me, she seems invincible. Like, what could she possibly do that would alienate her fan base she already has six like mansions like what could she possibly do and yet she won't say black lives matter or she won't call herself a feminist or she won't you know like she won't support hillary clinton so

it's like all of these things that like come from this place of like fear and protection of her image it's so boring to me I'm like next like she's writing her songs like okay like get Matt Martin or whatever the fuck his name is on like some other songs and for Britney and we'll be fine yeah I mean or something whatever hearing like the tea about her from people that actually work like adjacent to her like it's pretty revealing i mean like she's so like i can't stress enough like she's so good to her fans and she's such a good role model for girls in a lot of in a lot of ways like she is the face of her own company that is herself she plays an instrument she is in control of her life she's smart she doesn't apologize for who she dates i mean like i i do think that those things

are good and she is in contact with her fans she's very human she clearly is grateful for the career she has like she's not an evil person but i just like i don't know what do you think about the lena dunham am Amy Schumer interview? That interview sucks. Yeah, it totally sucks. I get Lenny Leonard and I love it. And I got it in the morning and I was still in bed and I just was like, this is awful. The shooting victims thing, like just, I mean, like the whole, I mean, everything got to me.

It's just, I think. All of it was bad. All of it was bad. Yeah. I think it's just a case of like, I don't think that they're evil by any means. No, no, no. I don't even think that they're racist by any means, like, knowingly. I think that they're super privileged.

And I think it's a case of two super privileged rich people. I just think, like. Getting together and, like, talking to each other and then hitting publish because they feel like they can. I was going to say, like, you know, you think you want to be a fly on the wall. Yeah. But like, you kind of don't. Yeah, you don't.

It's a lot. But... Amy Schumer is like so from Long Island. You're really true. It's just when she played a character when she was on SNL where she was like...

So somebody took it. The bachelorette party and basically, it's like Cecily's bachelorette party and they're all friends and then it's like her one friend from like the bar.

Amy Schumer plays like the bartender from the bar she frequents and then the purse goes missing and Amy Schumer's like okay so somebody took it. And like she is that person

on some level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Hold for sirens. Hold for sirens. Hold for sirens. Do you sirens. Hold for sirens. Do you hear all that? I think that's actually a sign

that we should wrap our conversation on RuPaul's Drag Race All-Stars 2 with this. So how do you see the rest of the season playing out? Ooh, great. Like map out what you think the rest of the season is going to look like, Nicole. Okay. We're now down to six?

Yeah, we're down to six. i want let's let's give a quick recap we got alaska the front runner who is you know incredible alissa edwards entertainer um who can do things on stage that no one else can katya katya fan favorite wild card i would say much improved much improved confidence. Really big time fan favorite. Yeah. Detox. Detox. You know, kind of unparalleled like scene look queen.

Like new drag. Yes. Yes. Like well-known drag queen. Yes. Yeah. Then we've got Roxy Andrews, reformed, quote unquote, bully runway queen of season five. I think she's trying.

I think she's trying. I think she's trying. She's putting in her best effort. Yeah, definitely putting in her effort. I think she's just really good at being mean. She's a natural bully. And she's just working really hard to just not indulge that because it's a high stress situation. I think she's doing a good job.

And then we've got a villainess, new cosplay, artistic queen, former pageant villain of season four that we spoke about at length earlier Fifi O'Hara so how do we see this going okay I think this coming week

is gonna be a pairs challenge top six a classic top six challenge where people are paired up and it's

gonna be okay well who do we okay so I think it's gonna be Roxy Detox Roxy maybe it's either gonna be I think it's gonna to be okay well who do we okay so i think it's going to be roxy detox roxy maybe it's either going to be i think it's going to be fifi alissa because like that we're being set up for that we truly are and then i think it it's going to be i mean i would hope it would be a lot alaska katya because that would be so fun but i think it's going to be like katya roxy and detox

alaska something like that or it'd be interesting to be like katya roxy and detox alaska something like that or it'd be interesting if they pair detox and roxy together as like the two remaining remembers like the what is it now like now that alaska's out of it like the two ralaska talks yeah but now alaska's not in ralaska talks anymore so what is it now rotox rotox yeah uh also like sidebar for eye roll for alaska talks yeah i know um that was so hard to watch in season five because it was bullying okay so yes so paired challenge i think paired challenge next week another typical um elimination i think the following week is going to be when they bring all five queens back it's going to be half and half i think someone's door would have to come back then oh

probably yeah then i guess a door's not so it'll be four and four and five they'll probably excuse one of the five from like whatever brawl it is i mean i think that they're gonna do something where like the there's gonna be like a mini competition just between the eliminated queens and whoever wins gets to like replace the person of their choosing or maybe the person who eliminated them potentially and then i think that's what i think yeah i mean i i think that's that there's definitely i mean but who knows this this season is truly it's the architect of the season we can't we can never hope to but i guess i think i mean mean, you know, you don't know

who's going to make crazy decisions. I would hope that the top three would be Alyssa, Katya, and Alaska. Same. I think that's what you all want. But... You just don't know because none of it has made any sense.

Because it's truly up to them. It seems like it's not up to the producers. And any top three in the last couple seasons of the actual show have been, there's been a wild card that's stuck its way in there and i think the fact that the producers are being so kind of willy-nilly with who goes home means that the eliminated queens must come back in a big way there's gonna be a huge upset i mean it's gonna be a huge upset

i think there's part of me that also thinks like there might just be an entire episode that's just eliminated queens yeah because we have this whole vacancy from a door leaving like um but but then i've prepared for that though i have no idea but but it's like i mean rue just she does what she will do but i think one other thing that that i've been thinking about um obviously alaska is the one to beat she's a revolutionary queen but i wouldn't mind her going home because she's so far ahead of everyone else like if you know if we're talking about like alaska and alissa and katya who of those three we would rather replace with a wild card i would say i would want alaska to be replaced just

because it'll be more fun to watch it'd be more fun to watch and i would i would rather see katya and alissa get to fight for the crown than alaska alaska really could have won her season like it in in a lot of ways she did like she wasn't the official winner but she did win her season. Yeah, absolutely. And it was, I think Jinx's win was cool. Like I liked Jinx, but I, I, I think that Alaska,

it's weird watching the show because it feels like Alaska won. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Matt, Matt, what's your, what's your outline for the rest of the show?

I just, I think there's been so much focus on Fifi that I just think there has to be something to do with her. Sometimes what they do on the show is they'll focus on a queen a lot because their time is up. So I wouldn't be surprised

to see Fifi go home next week and I also wouldn't be surprised to see her make the top fucking three. I mean the thing is in my opinion in season four Fifi stayed way longer than she should have. I was shocked. She should have been out top six. I was shocked that she made the top three. So to me, like.

She beat Latrice Royale. I mean, I can't. Insanity. But what the thing is, if you do watch that season, you watch the season six lip sync and it's Sharon and Fifi's doing It's Raining Men. Fifi had tanked's Raining Men. Fifi had tanked the challenge for them. Then they sing It's, they do It's Raining Men and Sharon kills her. I mean, Fifi does like the, her fucking wig comes off. It's horrible.

And they, they disqualified Willem. So, which was like the stroke of luck for Fifi. But Fifi, yeah. I do think though, when I'm rewatching season four now, because I really needed to finally understand the Fifi. But Fifi, yeah. I do think, though, and I'm re-watching season four now because I really needed to finally understand the Fifi thing. It's a great season. But Fifi, some of the drag she does towards the end of season four

is better than a lot of what she's done in All-Stars 2. I mean, she should have honestly gone home the first week with that leotard in a lot of ways. And her horrible performance. Her horrible performance. But that bodysuit was heinous. It was cheap. I mean, then the following week

she comes out with that rubber duck bullshit. Okay, so now, I do think we'll have a top three. I hope that they'll give us Alaska, Alyssa, and Katya. However, I do have a slight of,

I just can't see Alyssa winning despite what I really want. And I have an aversion to Katya winning for some reason. I just feel like if Alaska doesn't win, we'll look on it and be like, well, we all really know that Alaska was the best. But the thing is, what I want to happen, I would want Alyssa Edwards to win All-Stars too. But I also think there's something to the fact of she doesn't win and she's like, all right, I still do my thing

yep what about you my only thing that I'll add to this just because we're running out of time is I think we're getting a Shanta U Boats day or something because it's six left and we have three to four more episodes I mean and even the criticism this week were like

there's very little to say and there's six left there's only three more episodes until we get a top three like wait a minute like there's there needs to be more we can't just have a six episode season I think I think the series order for this was the season order was like eight episodes or something so we'll see well we

do have whatever's coming with the eliminated queen yes what was the preview for next week did you see I haven't seen yeah it was um everybody all the queens like uh just uh attacking alissa for sort of switching the strategy they do attack they also haven't had a sewing challenge yet this season and yeah they didn't go into the challenge for whatever reason so basically it was entirely focused on them turning on alissa yeah it's like it's a shot i'm remembering now it's like a shot of fifi and detox and roxy and roxy all being like well alissa changed flip the script or whatever so anyway i hate that because honestly

who the fuck if if alissa had eliminated katya that would have been insane incorrect that was the incorrect choice yeah and i think I think she's totally in the right saying that. And also, they didn't look on the back line like they were all that shocked. I mean, Ginger gives her exit line and they all crack up and it seems like they're all fine. Yeah. I don't know.

I just don't want to deal with them coming for Alyssa about this. Well, it's drama, honey. Let's move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. This is the centerpiece of our podcast here at Lost Culture. It says, I don't think so, honey. We have 60 seconds to rail

against something in culture. Bowen and I famously do not prepare for this. I have something prepared. You have something prepared? Yeah. I'm actually going to do a callback with mine. A callback? Do you mind getting the timer ready? gonna get the timer ready and uh we've had um some amazing i don't think so honeys in the past we've had a high bar do you are you prepared i have not prepared

something but i will you know what that's what makes nicole a great improviser see her on the nightmare and that's what makes this a great segment is that people don't come prepared okay let's go all right here we go bone yang i don't think so. Okay, let's go. Alright, here we go. Bo and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey and the 60 Seconds begins now. I don't think so honey people who listen to this podcast and don't play it at 1.5 speed mama. I don't think so honey if you expect to sit through this podcast and finish

this episode listening to us at normal speed I cannot stand the speed that normal humans talk at and I would rather die than listen to a podcast of recorded dialogue where it's not spoken at 1.5 speed. Guys, try this out. Just hear me out.

I don't think so, honey. Play any podcast. Play any YouTube video. This has gone on to YouTube videos for me. I refuse to watch a YouTube video without playing at 1.5 speed because I do not have enough time in my day to listen to someone speak at regular speed, mama. I don't think so, honey. Try this out. Listen to this podcast at regular speed, mama. I don't think so, honey. Try this out.

Listen to this podcast at 1.5 speed. We all sound so much better, so much smarter, so much wittier than we would if we spoke at just one time speed, okay? Try it out. Two times speed is too much. 1.5 is just that perfect middle ground. I'm like Goldilocks, bitch.

This is speed. I don't think so, honey. Listen to this podcast at 1.5 speed that's one minute oh I ran out of steam there but I drove my point home now I'm ready start my timer okay here we go Matt Rogers I don't think so honey

time starts now I don't think so honey the face of sensationalism Bowen Yang here he comes riding through I don't think so honey on my podcast too honestly asserting that you should listen to it at an unnatural pace this is insane we listen to podcasts to connect we listen to podcasts to hear a human voice not a human voice pitched up honey i don't think so honey listen i don't want to see you shake your head i don't think so you and this millennial

culture this comment culture coming in here needing to rip apart what's natural. And you know that, I don't think so, honey, Bowen Yang. Bowen Yang, you're going to see him in 30 years. He's going to have a new face. He's going to be plastic surgery. We're going to go out to LA and Bowen Yang is going to prescribe. Bowen Yang is

going to prescribe to it all. He's going to change himself. I don't need anyone to change my voice. My voice is high enough and fast enough. If I said something, you can tell. I said it at the pace I wanted to say it, so I'm gonna say it slowly. I don't think so, honey. Don't you dare listen

to this any faster than it should have been. And that's one minute. Matt, let's say something clarifying, bitch. Oh, yeah. By all means, be your own PR. 1.5 times speed does not mean you pitch up. This has nothing to do with pitch, mama. Don't get it twisted. Pitch perfect.

That's what I think we are. Oh, my God. Listen, I'm so sorry you had to see that. Mommy, daddy, please don't fight. I'm the daddy. I'm the dadoo. I'm the mamoo. All right. So stupid. All right, Nicole. Okay. I'm the daddy I'm the dadoo I'm the mamoo Alright so

Stupid Alright Nicole Okay It's time This is It's This is your legacy

Okay This is They have to think about it like that This season of RuPaul Has been all about legacy This is Nicole's legacy I don't think so honey Nicole Silverberg starts

Right now I don't think so honey You You showed me the movie Joy On an airplane No The fuck Way I don't think so honey you you showed me the movie joy on an airplane no the fuck way i don't think so honey an airplane is a fucking prison i can't leave there's a screen in front of me i can't turn my eyes away what you want me to gouge my eyes out on a plane give me

a spoon honey i'll try the movie joy is a fucking phantasmagoria of indulgence by whoever the fuck came up with the idea it has no plot it has no talent i don't think so honey you want to tell me that jennifer lawrence is supposed to play more than one age and we're supposed to feel bad for her honey jennifer lawrence has the most terrible life in that fucking movie and you know how it ends she gets more terrible life i don't fucking care about that mop. Why is that movie three hours long? Why is it filmed in three different styles? It's I'm on an airplane, bitch.

Don't do this to me. I don't think so, honey. I'd rather the plane go down with me and the president on it than me. I'd rather have to see one more frame of joy. The film one more time, an Oscar nom. I don't think so,

honey. And that's one minute. Let me tell you something. There is a problem in Hollywood and it's Jennifer Lawrence playing all ages. Any age.

I can't. She plays all ages. She plays your six-year-old niece. She plays your 80-year-old dying grandmother of Alzheimer's in the hospital. Let me tell you.

Who are you kidding? I don't even think that David O. Russell came up with the story. It's like there was a script and David O. Russell got it and he was like, I love it. And then he was like, I'm rewriting it that david o russell came up with the story it's like there was a script and david o russell got in and he was like i love it and then he was like i'm rewriting it i'll tell you it is annie mummolo that's right that's right but her script got totally rewritten she's not responsible for what we saw yeah but here's the thing it is the worst movie i've ever

seen any mummolo i remember bad mom before it came out there was like oscar talk about jennifer lawrence and the biopic of a woman that came up with the miracle mop. I was like, fuck you. I have not seen that. Yes. And then I tried to watch it on the plane. Jennifer Lawrence wasn't terrible in it. No, she's great.

She was fine. She did the best she could. But God, that movie is fucking awful. It's a scourge. Scourge. I mean, look, David O. Russell is so hit or missourge. I mean, look, this is, David O. Russell is so hit or miss though. I mean,

he's also like a bad person. He's mostly miss. And the way he's talked to, what's her name? Amy Adams. No, not Amy Adams. To Amy Adams. Frances McDormand?

Oh, Lily Tomlin. No, Lily Tomlin. That's who it was. Disgusting. Oh my God. Unforgivable. Did he call her the C word? He called her the C word.

And he got into a fist fight with George Clooney. I can't even deal with i literally can't deal with anyone that says that word david masculinity of hollywood yeah that masculinity no no honestly i could put someone on blast right now let's just say i'm close to someone that called our neighbor the c word even if she was being difficult and i was like you can't do that you have to tell me after yes we have a lot of names that we need to share up there we've been we've been saying a mutual friend mutual friend

yes honey i will spill all the tea and literally it's no tea it's all it's all it's no shade it's all tea i just butchered that it's okay i'm sorry the only name we did say today was janie stoller god bless her god bless her i love her i loveie. Yeah. This has been such an amazing episode. And can I tell you, this is a reveal. The first time at Nicole Silverberg was we were in training for story pirates and we were put in a story together for training.

It was about, I played a bully. Yes. And you played the bully's girlfriend. I did play the bully's girlfriend. And we hadn't spoken before that. And Nicole's character choice was to come out with like a speech impediment. Yes.

I remember this. Everyone was like, that's very cool. They hired somebody with a speech impediment because you did such a good speech impediment. It was really good. And then later on we spoke and I was like, she doesn't have a speech impediment at all. She just is a genius. That's what everybody could tell me about. That's what everybody could tell me about.

It was speech impediment realness I the Bowie's girlfriend I'm the Bowie's girlfriend we're gonna make a whirlwind hurricane in the hallway authentic

I remember oh my god you remember the details I remember there was stink bombs in it oh yeah Woody Thu played a janitor

yes that was a great Italian. And so Shears of Meda was in that as well. Yes. Literally insane. Star-studded. But this is, it's just so funny. And literally, I did not know that people thought that I had a speech impediment that

gives me great joy. No, literally. It was incredible. Somebody was like, that's crazy. I guess Nicole really has a speech impediment. And I was like, you know, I guess, you know, it's important. Star-studded hires all types of kids to see themselves on stage. You know, diversity. We needed was like, you know, I guess, you know, it's important. Hires. Diversity.

On stage, you know, diversity. We needed someone with, I still can't pronounce that ours. And then you, you pronounce ours wonderfully. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Guys, this has been Nicole Silverberg. Thank you so much for being a guest. Check out. This is a dream. Thank you so much. She co-hosts with Anna Dresen and

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