Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Shivery Delicious" (w/ Nicole Kidman)

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

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Oh, I see. Wow. Boen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Oh, goodness. Wow. Las cultureistas. Ding dong!

Las Culturistas calling. Get tactile with me right now. Get tactile. Here we are. Bowen Yang. a very special episode. Why is that? Because 10 years ago this week, we started this podcast.

That's crazy. Feel silly to me. 10 years? Well, I mean, we're not helping with this whole like 2016 nostalgia thing going on right now. Yeah, there is a lot of that. I mean, I was going to ask, like, where were you 10 years ago? But no, but we literally can't say. We were in our friends.

Alex Ramsey's apartment with a mattress in the window to keep out the sound. That was our soundproof. at the time. And we are now 10 years later sitting here with our guests. Look at that. Look at God. And I got to say look at God. Because she's with us in the room. She's here. I don't know that we could have booked a better guest for our 10 year anniversary, a podcast about pop culture. Right. You'd think that the 10 year is going to happen. We probably should get a full-blown pop culture icon in here. Yeah. I did my thing of like, I'm going to watch a project that our guest is in. I'm going to go back and revisit the classics.

It's the sort of decision paralysis thing that happens with, I think, our guest, where I'm sure she's used to this by now where everyone's like, I loved you and then they must sort of short circuit and then like explode. So I picked, I was very happy with To Die For and the others, which I, and then I watched the criterion collection featurette where there's something I want to ask. She mentioned something that I want to ask her about, which is that she almost quit because she was like, I can't do this. This is a woman who is awful to her children, not a spoiler alert. But you know what I mean? Well. Well, it's the others. If you've seen the others.

If you know, you know. I went for something old, something new. I went for final two episodes of Big Little Eyes, Season 1. Perfect. And I went for eyes wide shut, which I had never seen. Uh-huh. And boy, are there questions. As a result of this list of projects.

But there are approximately a million roles that our guest has been incredible in. Indelible. Not just as an actress as a producer. I mean, fashion icon, et cetera. Arguably best performance is the Chanel number five commercial. Oh. Which, yes, this is a podcast that's going to bring it up. Absolutely.

Our 10-year anniversary special and our guest is the one, the only, Nicole Kidman. It was so hard to stay quiet through that. You stayed very stoic. You were very good. Did you see me? Mm. You take direction. I was like, yeah, you told me to shut up.

But then when we said Chanel number five commercial, you did, you did jump up. Well, Baz just texted me. Did he? Literally. So you must have been telepathically picking something out. We were just talking about him, actually. We were just talking about it. Oh, my Bazzy.

My Bazzy. We love Bazzy. Wonderful. His nickname for me is Dear One. Dear one. Isn't that a lovely nickname? Has that been for. Just always.

Due one. Just always. Yeah. So elegant. Same number of syllables is Nicole. but sure somehow you want is nicer

I can say he has a nickname for me because I met him at an event and his nickname for me is I kid you not you bitch you bitch because

it's how he thinks he's going to book the podcast he wants to come on the podcast He got to have him on the car of course we do we're just negging him he likes

he is he's a bell because he sent me the loveliest email after Ariana Grande and I did this Mulan Rouge sketch. You guys.

No, no, but it was kind of the best thing, best outcome possible was to like be able to like be in conversation with him. Anyway, I mean, he's rivet. I mean, all you want to do is be the center of his universe. So when you drop from that spot, it's very painful. Oh, my gosh. It's like when you're in his orbit, it's something else. Yeah.

You know, yeah. I have to say, I think Moulon Rouge, was like, we asked that question a lot. Like, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? And Mulan Rouge came out in 2000. So it was just around the time when we were starting to be like, I'm going to watch a movie that my parents don't know I'm going to watch. And my mother would see the trailer from Mulan Rouge.

And she would say, that looks racy. That looks very racy. And I was like, I went into fifth grade and I told my teacher, my mom says Mulan Rouge looks racy. And she was like, well, you know, it might be a little racy. Well, that's sort of about what it's about. But then you watch it About, yeah

Post to 2. A cortisone. Yeah, it's about a cortisone. A cortisone and consumption. That's right. The consumption. Racy topics. The greatest consumption death put on celluloid, I think.

Oh, what made. Can we talk about it? Okay, and even people on the team are like. You're like gagged. Just the consumption of it all. And then I get carried, though, in feathers, pink feathers. Come on. Yes.

I get to fly on a trapeze in sequence with men underneath me with top hats. Pretty good. Badass. Badass. And then I get to die and be held by Ewan McGregor singing to me. But I also get to get carried in pink feathers, right? Pink feathers seem to be. Oh, that's really lovely.

A lot of wish fulfillment there. Yeah, it was just so exquisite. And also, like, the soundtrack that was birthed from. LaMroge, I think that that doesn't get enough respect to put on its name because all bangers on that soundtrack. Yeah, well, he's just a music whiz. Yeah. So, I mean, Baz is classically built in terms of all his knowledge and the way in which he's been trained. And then he talked about culture and pop culture.

Then he's able to enter the zeitgeist, though. But he's got all his education and classical training, kind of the best of the best. He's a fount. Who else do we want to talk about? Enough about Fas. Well, you mostly. It's going to be you. Let's move on. I'm going to tie it back to you because I just throw someone at me and I'll answer anything.

Nicole Kidman. How about that? Because I feel like, help me, I'm boring. Come on. The reason why, I think the reason why you've had this incredibly illustrious career is because. Random career. It's all so random.

But random in the best way. Like, I love that we never know where we're going to get from you. It is. random. Scarpetta, March 11th on Prime. Today? Today. I think it's...

Ballet, binge. I know you're not meant to binge things, but binge. Do you think it's a binger? I think this is a binger. Yeah. If you like binging. Love. I like binging.

It comes, you know, it's not healthy, but I love it. Yeah. Yeah. What good thing is. Huh? Yeah, just watch it. Okay. Watch it and watch it and watch it and watch it and done.

Perfect couple I binged. Netflix made that easy. Right. Right. Okay, well, hopefully this makes it easy too. Jamie Lee and I. Jamie Lee or Yarnah, Bobby, kind of, and he just, he is, um,

Cremdala Crem. And then Simon Baker. I've had a crush on him for years. Yeah, you and everyone else. And everyone else. Well, he was famously, he holds a place in gay culture because he was Will's boyfriend on Will and Grace. Yeah.

Yes. He was like the tough talk. No, I think he was a firefighter, right? Or was he a cop? He was one. He was gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah.

He's not aged at all. No, right. No. Uh-uh. Look, some people have it. Rose Brown is very lucky. Oh, she's the best. We were watching clips of her and Kristen Whig going back and forth in an outtake reel and bridesmaids right before you walked in.

I was just talking about that. That is my daughter and I. We watch bridesmates when we're feeling down. Whenever we need a lift. Yeah. We watch it. We recite it. We act it out and we do that in the kitchen.

And that is our go-to saving. That's our savior film. That's your savior film. Yeah, to pull us out of a funk. Of course. 100%. There's an underappreciated, that's a new vocal stem for me, which is a Roseburn line in that, which is after like the toast off. Roseburn goes, dessert wine is out.

Do you know what I'm talking about? It's such a funny little like. Desert wine is out. Desert wine is out. We were blown away by like the patronizing way she looks at Kristenwig whenever she's trying to say like an accomplishment of hers. Just like the wide open. I'm like, mm-hmm. Wow.

You're a train wreck. Get the hook. Get the hook. Exactly. Perfect. Oh, but I just, okay. Yeah. I was going to pay you the compliment and then I was going to transition into.

I'll take it back. No way. Yeah, get the hook. Do you get this? Do people say that you don't, do you receive a compliment well? I'm trying to. It's not an Australian attribute. Like we always have to, yeah.

Humility is very important. But also, it's just hard to take compliment. because the last thing you want is to be seen as big-headed, right? Right, of course. You have to always come in under. But I'm learning to take the strokes. Yeah. Because it feels good.

I mean, you worked hard. You worked hard for it. Give me something. Give me a crumb. We do this too much, some might say, is that we fond too much, which we'll keep to a minimum. But I think the reason why, because you're talking about BAS being so plugged into the culture, I feel like you have that same sense, too, of just knowing.

when something is a worthwhile, not even worthwhile, is just a risk period, right? I feel like this randomness that you're talking about is just risk. And it's curiosity. Okay. It's desire. It's, and it's always just being willing to try things and jump off the cliff. That would be the way in which I approach things. But I want to have fun.

Yeah. I grew up in a family that had a slight bohemian quality to it, but it was a very intellectual family. So I was taken to see all sorts of theatre and opera and art. I was raised on culture. And my mother loved fashion. My grandmother could sew and knit and embroider. And they play piano and spoke French and all those things that you go, oh, okay, teach me. But they were socially conscious and sort of just an interesting group of people to have been born into.

Yeah. And to be launched into the world by. So things that were fascinating were around you? There weren't boundaries. There were. Right. In terms of sometimes my mother would have a strict moral coden and at other times you'd be like, huh? But there was a huge, there wasn't a lot of judgment.

The barriers were taken away and you could express all sorts of thoughts and ideas. in terms of philosophy or secrets or, and some of my greatest moments were curled up in my mom's bed, sort of us both sharing human, just humanness and ideas. And I nursed her through cancer, and so I saw all of that. I saw losing her hair. I saw a 50-year marriage and the way that unfurled as it went along with truth and honesty. kind of interesting, right? And she gave me insight into what it was to be, just to be alive.

Yeah. And I could ask her anything and my dad as well. Oh. So that's a really good basis to start life from, right? Yeah, 100%. But I'm just... Sorry to get serious. No, no.

Thank you. What? This is meant to be funny. No, but literally, like, sometimes I watch your movies and I think when she got the script for this, like, there's no way to really see it. Like Moulin Rouge, for example, like the whole first half hour of Moulin Rouge, it moves so fast. And it is so crazy.

Like the scene where you're changing in the tent with Jim Broadbent and you're sort of like trying on your different personas at stuff, it's got to be impossible to see. But I guess then for you, that's just like thinking and trusting of the director. Because I feel like that drives you a lot, right? Totally. And because he and Catherine Martin, see him, the two. Two of them, they had a beautiful big house that they would create in, and that's where we would rehearse. And there was very much a bohemian quality to the way they create their art. And so when you're brought into that, you spend six weeks workshopping. But prior to that,

I'd done a photo shoot for Vogue with them, and I'd seen their work growing up in Australia and watched them morph into who they were. And they were just like these crazy talented... I mean, Baz was an actor. And a really good actor. Yeah, I bet. He's in a film called Winter of Our Dreams with Judy Davis, and he's fantastic in it.

He plays a junkie. Oh, wow. Yeah, so there's a tip bit for you. Yeah. Go find that. I will find out. Winter, what is it? Winter of our dreams.

Winter of our dreams. Yeah. With Judy Davis, one of the great. The best. Oh my God. Yeah. So, yeah. And then CM and Baz went to NIDA, which is our National Institute of Dramatic Arts.

Yes. So. I'm getting this bohemian sort of. No, no, no. There's a bohemian element here to the way that you were raised. And I think also I'm just going to pick up on the opera piece. Opera. Because I think that I'm going to like have those two helices.

come together in terms of like it describing like the Nicole Kidman of which is like it's operatic but it is also so like artfully diverse for lack of a better term right because it's like I think in you talking about the others it's like you were like this is Medea this is yeah this is classic Greek Euripides but it's also it's this operatic kind of thing but I think that applies to a lot of your roles yeah I think what opera gives you is it gives you pathos and it gives you big emotion. And because I was taken to the opera all the time, and I would sit there with my dad and my mom, and we would cry.

I mean, and my mother would explain because she could speak Italian, she could speak French, so she would explain the stories. And the stories are, I mean, they're fantastic in the same way that Shakespeare, the Greeks, and I grew up reading Russian literature, I was obsessed with the Russians. Really? Yes. How did you come to be obsessed with that?

Because I had one of those lists of the 100 books you're meant to read, you know. Oh, okay, yeah. But I started on Dostoyevsky, and then I went, oh, hold on. And then I just kept going on Dostoevsky, and then I moved over to Tolstoy. And then before you know it, I'm obsessed with the Russians. Yeah. And I went to St. Petersburg, actually, and saw all of the places that Tolstoy had built Warren Peace around and people pointed out where, you know, Prince André, all of them.

of it and I was like, what? Yeah. So that was kind of the beginning of my artistic basis, the Russians. And then I moved over into the Bronties. Of course. Which give you the yearning. Yes, it certainly does. I'm on a moor.

I'm living on the moors. Have you seen Wethering Heights? Yes, and I loved it. I loved it. But I've read Wuthering Heights six times. Right, yeah. And I love Heathcliff. Yeah.

So I just, you know, and that state of yearning that the Brontys existed in, that probably was my state as a teenager and probably continues on now. It's one of the most, it's the one of the most underrated states of being. Yearning. I would agree. Because it is so, it's so painful, like, when you're in it, but then you can only be in it first. Tell me if you think this is true.

Like, I'll never yearn like I did when I was like. 15 to 25. And you don't realize that you're not going to feel that feeling as intensely anymore. Oh, I feel it. Really? I still, yeah. You still do?

Yeah, I'm in a steady yearning now. You are? And it can be towards anything or anyone. Okay. But it keeps you alive. Keeps you moving forward. Okay, I got a yearn again. Come on.

Yeah, yeah. Let's bring back the yearn. I know. I'm trying to feel like, I guess I was specifically thinking about it in terms of like Yeah, the teenage. Like romantic desire. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Especially being closeted. It's like all you do is here. Yes. Yeah. The tingles. I know. Come on. The unrequited of it all.

Shivery Delicious. I had a line once in this film called Flirting, where I play a small role. But I just remember the description of being shivery delicious. Shivery delicious. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's really good. Shivery Delicious is title of app. Title of App.

That's actually the title of this episode. A shivery deluge! It's become. And I couldn't think of anything better. Truly. Do you have like a favorite line of dialogue you've said? I have, I mean, I've worked with the greatest writers. You truly have.

I think the hours gave me, yeah. When you're, David Hare wrote just, just exquisite dialogue. Mm-hmm. inspired by Virginia Woolf from Michael Cunningham and then directed by Stephen Doldry. But that screenplay was just beautiful. And to be able to do it justice, that monologue in the hours was...

At the train station? Oh, yeah. That was like to... And we rigorously worked that. And I have to call out the praises of Stephen Delane in that because that's so much what acting is. There's two of you in that scene. He loves her.

He wants to take her and save her in a way from herself. But she says, no, it's the right of every human being to choose. I get to choose my destiny. I get to choose. And I really believe in that. Will you direct? Because you speak like a director. I do.

Yeah, because I feel like you're really working in like the, obviously this is you being. a genius actress, but like, but what I'm saying is like you, I think, would be an actor's dream as a director because no one understands it better than you. Well, I've always, I mean, you never say never to anything because whenever I do that, that's a disaster. And then you go, oh, okay, well, I changed my mind. Yeah. My prerogative. But I love being an actor. Yeah.

Right. I actually love being in the hands of a great director and a great writer. and I love being there to contribute, but to lead it, that's very difficult. That's decision-making. That is unfaltering in your vision, whereas I see all ways. So I need, okay, this is what we're doing.

Too bohemian to direct. This is where we're going, probably. You want to be amenable to all kinds of outcomes. I'm interested. I'm just interested. That's beautiful. And so I hope I always stay interested. I love asking questions more than having questions asked.

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We talk about what it's taken to grow up in the entertainment industry. and stay grounded through every chapter. It's a raw and honest conversation about identity, evolution, and building a life that truly matters. You desire in family, like this picture, and that's not reality a lot of the time it's for people. My sister and I don't speak.

It's definitely a very painful part of my life, and I hope it's not forever, but it's for right now. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the IHeart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I have a question then, just because I have to tell you, again, just looping back to those things that you remember from pivotal moments in your life, I think that every queer person our age probably remembers walking into a blockbuster, and which was the video rental store where you can rent VHSs and walking over to the Batman aisle.

and seeing Dr. Chase Meridian on the cover of the Batman Forever VHS. And I'm telling you, the Veronica Lake hair, I found out something about myself seeing that picture of you on there. I was like, I need to know everything.

And I rented it again and again and again. And I watched it. And that movie, I have to say, and Batman and Ramon. Camp classics. Underrated Camp Classics, masterpieces. Yeah, Joe Schumacher.

Yes. That was, yeah, we created her together, that hair, everything. And he was like, here she is, here's Dr. Chase. Yeah. Yeah. And he probably felt the same way we did walking into the blockbuster when you walked out. I was, my dream. My whole thing was I'm not pretty enough.

Come on. No, truly. I really felt when I was doing that, that I was not pretty enough. What was the ideal? What were you trying to? What were you trying to? Veronica Lake. Yeah.

But I mean, also just just that sort of the, the, the, the dream, the dream blonde, right? And I did not feel like that. I've never felt like that. But that's the beauty of acting is you can pretend, create, become. Right? Which is what we love. Yeah, you can put on a wig. You can suddenly put on red lipstick and you can dress differently and put heels on and suddenly you are kind of what you would love to be. And then it all comes off again and you're back. But it's so great being able to step into that. I mean, the same was so many different characters.

But a lot of people also cite the Chanel No. 5 commercial. So they always say to me, that was, I was. I'll never. When did I wake? Into the stream. I must have been the only person in the world who didn't know who she was. I'm telling you. Are you kidding?

No, it was. On repeat, it's my favorite movie. The Chanel number five commercial starring you and Rodrigo Centoro directed by Bazelerman is my favorite film. And that pink dress?

Everything about it. Running down the street. But that's fast. There's dreams. And that's CM2. And they can just create that. That's why the pink feathers, the pink dress.

I'm a dancer. I love to do. Oh, God. Okay. Okay. It's too much for you. It is the best. And it was.

It's like, I remember being like, can I get this perfume? But no one had ever done that sort of film. I remember Carl Lagerfeld being like, I love this. He gave the thumbs up to it, which was a huge thing for Carl who was just like, sheep personified, right? Of course. And it was like, okay, but they spent an enormous amount of money on that. Yeah.

It can have been cheap. They didn't go cheap. But why go cheap when you don't? have to and you can create something iconic like that. We remember it all of those years later. I'm so glad they didn't skimp. No. I love like a big ass commercial that at the last second you find out was about something that had nothing to do with it. Nothing to do with this story. It's perfect. It's like it's how it should be. It's because at that point it's like you're not being duped into buying something. You're just in the world. You've already bought it. You've already bought it because

you're in the world of the thing. But can I ask on the acting note? on this love of acting. I was watching this feature, this featurette on the others for the criterion collection, which it entered that a couple years ago. But you were... Congrats.

Of course. But you were saying that you almost said no. No, I said yes and then I said no. But that you also... That this is your usual process. You kind of said that this is like something that happens, not a lot, but it's...

I try not to do it now because it's incredibly frustrating and irritating for people. But it's... For production for the life. producer. For everybody. Like, what?

But forget other people. It's like, because I think you were acknowledging it as part of your process, right? Like, oh, for anything that is kind of maybe scaring you a little bit, like that is part of how you approach it. Like, you're saying you don't do it anymore now, but like what was it? No, I still do it. Okay, great. I just do it less. You're aware.

Great, great. Yeah, you know, the first step to healing is awareness. Yes. Perfect. So I'm on the road. You're on the road. Can you tell the, like, do you understand that now as a thing of like, this is just something about going through it? Well, that particularly was, I was making Moul-on-Rouge when I agreed to do it.

So I was Sotene when I read Grace, which is, you know, the others, the character and the others. So I had not delved psychologically into her because I'd accepted in a different state of being. that being said, I then arrive over there and I'm like, oh my God, I've got to now start prepping this woman who kills her children. Yeah, so different. No, I don't want to do this. I'm like, I don't want to do this. I do not want to kill the children. So then you go back to is it killing the children or is it saving the children?

Yeah. So as soon as I could shift into, oh, I'm saving the children. even though that is so insane and crazy, it was choosing to save them from terrible pain, then I could motivate into the role. Does that make sense? It makes sense. And was that something you found with Alejandro?

Or is that something that you... And with the acting coach I work with and the way in which my nervous system and the way in which I approach something, I have to feel it. If I don't feel it, I'm going to be faking it and then I'm no good. So I have to somehow find this weird state of being

that keeps it real even though I'm still existing in life with my feet on the ground. You're indicating your stomach there. It comes from in here. It's all body work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the emotions are in your body. Yeah. So where do you find them?

Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's a really good thing to remember too is if your body is telling your brain something that probably means more than you know. Well, you know, a lot of times you'll go, especially with trauma and stuff, where do you feel it in your body? And so it's a really great way to approach a character. Where do you feel them in your body? Yeah, that's interesting.

Yeah, is it here? Is it in the chest? What happens? Is it in the gut? Is it in the groin? Is it in where is it? Yeah. And let's start from there.

I sound kind of crazy. No. No, but you don't at all. Like, I feel like that that is sort of an answer to my question of like, what? would compel you to say yes to certain scripts because, for example, something like Destroyer or like the Paperboy, it's like you'd read these things and be like, huh? But then the huh of it sort of is a guttural instinct. And so it's not, oh, I don't feel comfortable with that.

So I'm going to say no to it. It's I feel uncomfortable with that. Let me listen to that. And Charlotte Blessay in the Paperboy. I mean, that was just, she's a. all like, she's sex. She's wild. She's wild. She's all body. She's all like she's, you know, and I wanted to go, and we were shooting down there in, um, in Louisiana. Yeah. In the heat. Truly. And it's swampy noir. And that's kind of great to go and do something with Lee Daniels, do swampy noir. And Zach Efron,

not bad. Yeah. Dancing in the rain. Yeah. Yeah. And sitting out in front of the prison with my feet up on the dashboard. And yeah. It's just kind of like, yeah, she's a cat. She's wild. She's wild. And then you get to be wild. Wild in Louisiana swamps. Yeah.

They always say live a normal life. And then in your imaginary life, you can do whatever you want. Yeah. That's the coolest thing. Part of your normal. So I'm very normal. Yes. Well, part of your normal life was going to Antarctica.

Yeah, there's a not. We're connected. I can't believe we both did it. You just missed each other. We just missed you. We were on the same. So. Everyone, Nicole and I were on the same vessel, but at different times.

Mm-hmm. I went before you. You went before me. And people on the ship, people, first of all, can we just shout out the loveliest crew on the Silver Sea, Silver Cloud? Oh, my gosh, right? The loveliest, loveliest people. Yeah. And it just felt like this wonderful, like, well, our boat was.

Tell me your story. Okay. Had you end up in Antarctica. Who were you with? and why did you go? Okay. And then I would love to hear your version as well. Of course, obviously.

I just got back yesterday. Yesterday. Yesterday. So it's all so present. I woke up this morning still feeling the sway of the Drake Passage. Like my brain is still used to being rocked by the current. By the big currents. By the big currents.

So it's my mom. And the smell of penguins. And the smell of penguins. shit. That's not the most alluring smell. It breaks the majesty of the penguins. The penguins are divine. Gentoo penguins right.

Oh, we love them. We love it. Just not their diarrhea. Their excretia. God, you hate it. And what makes you so confident in the diarrhea? Did you go hiking on diarrhea Island? Could I call it?

What a question. Hiking on diarrhea Island. That was diarrhea Island. Yeah. I was like, I'm going to just stay down here. I don't need to see those chicks. Who was calling a diarrhea island? Nicole was. And our whole family.

Yeah. Yeah. Because it was diarrhea. I saw no ice. Yeah. Just diarrhea. I have to say. Oh, you missed that. Their stomachs must not have been upset. No, no, they were upset. He didn't bring this up. Well, no, but this is just a sidebar. Antidecar is gordon.

We don't have to, no, we don't have to make this, let's make this the main bar. This is not. Diary Island is the topic of the rest of the episode. I'm never going to go to Diary Island. I already was never going to go to Antarctica. I don't think it's for me. This is a small little section where there was a few penguins that had upset stomachs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But beyond that. They're multing. Yeah, yeah. They're just in a moment of just like letting it all go. You're in shock that I said it. I'm hooked on it. I just, just to just to hear, just a bit. We asked by you, how did you go hiking on Diary Island?

On Diary or Island. Diary or Island. But back to the glorious, glorious Antarctica. And the sea lions and the kayaking and the pescats. Oh, yeah. Is that not the greatest thing in the world? I was. The silence.

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Must be the most. No, it is spectacular there. Truly untouched. Wow. And the silence is. is unrivaled.

I mean, there is, you hear. Nothing. Yeah. And the most peace that you, I mean, it truly is. And I meditated on the kayak for like five minutes and just went, I think this is the happiest I've ever been. Now, is that because of the quiet? I think it's just everything that surrounds you there.

And it's timeless. Yeah. And then you're aware of the fragility. of everything. Yeah, wow, wow, wow. Because you're aware of it because you're looking out and it's like, this is untouched, uncorrupted by man. And you realize how much of our surroundings and how much of our like interactions and how much

of our psychic being is ruined by man. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like it feels like you're the most in touch with like nature as, as you're. you ever have been. Yeah. I felt that exact way in kayaking. The seals were abundant.

We saw a glacier sort of crumbled before our eyes and people were like, uh-oh. And I'm like, no, I think that's normal. I think the sound. You hear the sound. It's like a thunderous sound. It's crazy. Crazy. Yeah.

No, but we, so we had to go to Punta Arenas. Yes. Been there. Been there. And we were held for three days. They were about to call. Because of the weather. Because of the weather.

So they had to, we were like, so if they, if they, if they pushed your trip back by three days they canceled the entire cruise. So we were on day three. It was just, it was like Groundhog's Day and like Printery-Reynes, this lovely Chilean town. So nice. So nice. Yeah. So warm. So friendly. Great food. And then. Great coffee. Great coffee. Great sea bass. Anyway. And now I'm coming around. And we're coming around. Did you not want to go? I really didn't. It was going to be my, I don't think so. You got to go. All I can say is you got to go. But you go with people that are very, very, very. And you're going to go. But you go with people that are very, very, like the cruise we went on

surfaces, you have to clean everything. I mean, they are so ecologically minded. You have to be so careful. Yes. Because you can't take any of our viruses or bacteria or anything into that continent. Yes. You can't even, they won't let you kneel.

Like, they won't let you crouch down. Like, they don't want. Everything. Yeah. It's very regimented. Yes. Very, very sterile and clean. Yes. Yeah. Right? Listen to us. No, I mean, we're just like to the same. for Antarctica. No, well, it's kind of like...

It's a thing. People are going. Yeah, and it's also, there's still very few people that have been, right? Yeah. What is the percentage? It's very low. My mom was saying it's like... 1% which is not, which makes it,

gives it a bad rap. It's like, it's not one percenters. It's adventurers who go there. And you're an adventurer. Well, it was his parents' dream to go. His mother's dream to go. Oh, you remember. parents.

Yes. I was my parents. Oh. And it was like a good son. Yeah. Oh. I loved it. Good son.

No, it was great. Yes. You didn't want to go over. You went. No, I didn't want to. Oh, I was genuinely excited. Just say yes. I'm a good son.

I'm a good son. Six continents now, right? Yes. I'm on six. You haven't done seven. I haven't done seven. So I was stolen value when I held up. Which continent have you not done?

I am dying to go to Africa. Right. And still haven't gone. I need Africa and an article. Yes. Okay. And Annerica was, oh, but this is just to say that, like, we, so then we're like, oh, we lost three days, but we're on the ship, this is great. And then I had to fly back in time to do the actor awards, but then they kept pushing the dates out of King.

Because did you fly in or did you cross-strike passage? We flew in. We were doing same. On to the ice runway? Yeah, we heard about this. King George Island. Crazy. Yeah.

So they wouldn't clear us to fly for three days. So then we got the other, the flip side of it on the way back. which is we're sailing Drake Passage, which is where the Atlantic and the Pacific meet, the harshest waters. Oh, is that what happens? If you don't, if you can't fly out, you do have to cross it. You do have to cross the passage.

I did not know that. I didn't do my full research. No, and so when they broke the news to us, the room erupted in equal cheers and groans of agony. Yeah, we were about the same because we had it. We were held for an extra day. Yes. And there was tears of joy and tears of,

I've got to get back. I've got a job to do. I'm going to lose my job. We got to get off this boat. So how did you and the daughters? How did you guys react to that? To being held an extra day? I was happy.

Okay, good. And now you're a cruise person you said on Fallon. And then I was like, but I got to get off. Yeah. There comes a point. I can do one day, maybe two days, but not I've got to get back. So I think you and I are the same. But I'm a cruise person now, yeah.

Are you really? Yeah. Yeah. Because you said you have two more planned. Oh, yeah. With Silversea? No. Okay.

One with Silver Sea. Great. They're lovely. And one with Ruth Carlton. Oh, fun. And the Amonzo. I'm trying them all. Yeah, good.

I'm ready. I'm ready. But my daughters, because there's only two of them, they're like, we want our family. So my sister has six kids. They have partners. They all. So I bring everyone. And then my best friend since I was four, all her children.

And their partner. It's just, we have a big tribe that we travel with. And we're all like, with. and then Katie who's here is like my sister so we have like this huge tribe of people and there's two women that work with me who've worked with me for years

who are also like my sister so it's like come on we go let's go yeah and I also love I grew up in a family where we travel in big groups and we would do things in big groups so it's very comforting to me so if I'm in the position to be able to share and do it

of course I'm doing it I'm doing it. I will work so hard so I can play hard. Yeah. And also it's like we were talking before the episode started about like why you'd rewatch something you've already seen or do something. For me, it's often like I want to watch other people experience this thing. You know what I mean? Like sometimes I don't know what that is, but it's like maybe there's something to it for you and wanting everyone to be together. It's like we're going to have an experience together. And I really do enjoy the, I don't know what that would be called, but that's sort of like transference that happens when someone else is having a moment

of awe and wonder or whatever the emotion is. Yeah. You might be able to anticipate it yourself. But that's like, that's, that's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's why I love throwing parties. And giving gifts.

Yeah. I love doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did I say? I said once too. Somebody of my kids were making fun in me.

Oh, I love small. dinner parties, but I also love a rave. Yeah. And I'm like, does not go together, Mom. And I'm like, for me, it does. Yeah. You, how do you feel? Do people still come up to you and bring up basement as sort of a cultural, like, touchstone now in a post-baby girl society?

Yeah. Baby girl hit. We thought it was going to be, speak to older women primarily. Uh-huh. It hit a younger generation and gay men in a way that I had no idea. Oh, the milk was huge. Milk is back now because of it. I had a glass of milk at dinner the other night.

Good. Yeah. I just locked eyes with my waiter. No, I literally did. It was fascinating what people related to in that film. We thought it was a very, very, very niche thing. Yeah. And it actually kind of, it moved.

It had tentacles that spread wide. And then in the same way that big little eyes reached sort of a particular. particular group of people, Baby Girl did. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. Because it's unexpected to me. Of course.

Yeah. As a female CEO. I loved dancing in Baby Girl down there in that basement. Oh, so good. And we started and I came out of that with COVID and the flu. What? A double whammy. That's where it goes down.

That's where it went down. Yeah. And how did it come back that you just ran all the tests? I got so sick. And I knew going in, I was like, oh, yeah. I'm going down here. I can just feel it. It's the middle of winter and it's running rampant right now.

So, oh, well. Baby girl went down. Baby girl dropped. Baby girl dropped down to her, on all fours. She fell in all fours. Yeah, not even on all fours, flat on my back. There we go. Okay, we're getting it.

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Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty On the Iheart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Now we have to ask you the question which is the central question of our podcast, Nicole Kidman. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This can be a film you saw, a musical artist, something atmospheric. No, I'm going to tell you.

Couture. Couture. Thank you. Yeah, it actually was because all my dreams were based on it. Yeah. I would look at like the clothes and fashion and my mom would say, look at that and look at how it's made and look at it. So from Audrey Hepburn to Grace Kelly to all the different houses, Javonshire, all of them,

that's what culturally for me made me dream. Wow, fashion. I grew up loving it. I somehow stumbled into being exposed to it, standing there with Galliano fitting dresses on me and Lagerfeld fitting dresses on me and being on the cover of Vogue and having access to the most beautiful things to wear on your body. When did that start? Little, because I would stand on a table

and my grandmother would make all my clothes. But not kind of just haphazard, put them together, like hours and hours and hours. Couture. And she would put little collars on and little fur and a little trim and some ribbons. Everything was, yeah, Couture. So I was baby Couture.

I was like, yeah, and I would stand there for hours because I wanted to wear the clothes. Do you remember the first? And then I would dress my Barbie in Couture clothes because my grandmother would make my Barbie clothes. So I had clothes for my Barbie that nobody had. Of course. And then even my Kendall had some clothes. Yeah. This is before Chalemar.

So when do you, do you remember the first designer or? like artist in the fashion world that you worked with directly and you felt like, oh, this is a moment for me in terms of an entry into the fashion world? I mean, the first one was John, Galliano. And I was shooting Eyes Wide Chat. And so I was able to go over to Paris regularly. And I would stand there for them and they would try things on me and try different fabrics. and then I would go in and try on the hats.

And then I would go to Carl's house. Then it sort of just was, you know, it was just a bridge. And from that point on, I was, and you have, really, they don't come to you. You have to go to them. And you have to be willing to be a mannequin, like a model, and just stand there. And let them, let them design to you. And because I'd been so tall and skinny my whole life, suddenly there was a reason to be tall and skinny.

Ectomorphicom. Yeah. I wanted always to be short and curvy. And so suddenly it was like, oh, I can be tall and skinny and somebody doesn't mind that. And there's a purpose. I mean, what are you anticipating? They can utilize it. Of course.

Of course. Are you anticipating anything in particular with Matt Gala this year as being part of the host committee? Because I feel like it's such a pivotal year for the Gala. Well, I just get to be there with Beale. Are you kidding? Perfect. That's all that matters. That's it.

Done. My job. I'm done. Here we go. Truly. Is it a thing where you guys, do you discuss? Do you get, like, as being part of the host committee? With Anna.

Yeah, we work with Anna and who is iconic. Is there her last year? And a genius. No, she's staying on to always chair the gala. The gala. Okay. We need Anna. We do.

Yeah. We need Anna. Anna has created so many people's careers. She's a massive, supporter of art and fashion and women. I mean, she's extraordinary. And so therefore, to be able to, and this is, I think it's the third time I've coach had. I think.

Yeah. So, but to do it now, I'm so, so happy. And my daughter, Sunday, will be coming. Oh, crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's so fun. Uh-huh.

That's another thing you get to do with your daughter. That's incredible. Yeah. And she, like, loves fashion. She's actually just walked the Dior show. She's just, yeah, she's flying back from Paris now. I know. Oh my God. That's the coolest. I know. Which I have nothing to do with. It's her whole world and her relationship and she and Jonathan Anderson. Yeah. It's incredible. I was thinking as you were talking like you mentioned Grace Kelly who you got to portray. You mentioned Audrey Hepburn,

who obviously in Big Little Lives you guys all get to do the Audrey Hepburn. And I did read Biggler. And then is Marilyn, who I'll always be in love with Marilyn. I mean, yes. And also I wanted to ask about Lucille Ball Because I think that that's one of my favorite performances You've ever done You really did capture just like Her like relentless commitment To getting it right

To getting it right Yeah And I wonder if that's something that you connected with Was it like She's a harder worker than me She knew what she wanted She had to be She came in an era

when she had to be such a trailblazer, she was so brilliant that her, and comedy is detail. Yep. So, as she would say, comedy is detail. You can't be generalized, you can't be haphazard. Sometimes you'll stumble on a joke. But if you're really doing comedy and comedy every week that has to deliver time and time again, then that is arduous, hard, technical, skilled work. Yeah.

It's not just fly by night, give it a world. Right. You know? And that's what I learned from playing her. She was also an amazing businesswoman at a time when there were not women at the helm. And she had a very, you know, complicated love relationship. And she loved him. And she was this, you know, just extraordinary being.

So to be able to play her, whether I looked like. her or not, I was able to capture her voice at least and her mannerisms and then it was like I couldn't get rid of her and she was in me. But it was so fun and half the stuff that we prepared and everything was not in the film. Really? Yeah, yeah. There's outtakes on that. Is that in terms of the staging of the comedy scenes? That's really cool. Yeah. So I could do every movement, every single movement by I studied and studied and with a movement car. Like we did so much prep and then a tiny bit of it is in there. But that's that's performance.

You have to do an enormous amount of work and maybe it makes the cut or maybe it doesn't. You can't be attached to it. Kind of complicated theater that was doing sitcom at the time that I guess you have experience doing. But like gosh and we're talking about it because I completely agree. And I was, it's funny, I was even watching being the Ricardo's when I had Omicron and I had to miss my only SNL, which was that, which was that episode, December 2021.

But I was watching you and it did just give me this, it did just download me with this notion that like you have to be, comedy is logistics. What did you say earlier? Comedy is detail. Yeah. Detail. All in the detail. It's all in the details.

And then where's the laugh? Where's the like? Okay, there it is. And they were lucky because they have the live studio audience. Yeah. So they had the feedback. I think it must be so hard trying to do that without that. Because this is like, okay, great, we know that works.

We know that. It's like when you do theater and you go, great, that's working. Or you're surprised at what works. And then you go, geez, I thought that wasn't going to work. And that just landed. I know. Hold that. Save that.

And we can layer that now. And now we can add and add and add. There's also nothing more distracting than an artificial laugh track. Like some of the multicams that they. do now where you can tell there's an artificial laugh truck? I'm like, I don't think we, I mean, we probably didn't need it. No. Because it's just we know from years of growing up

on that. Right. Right. It's like watching an AI video. It's like, I know the artifice here. Yes, it's just a little off in terms of the volume of the reaction or the timing of the reaction. I mean, but you've never hosted SNL before, had you? No, back in the 90s, you did? Oh, oh, oh. Yeah. I did. Does this motivate you? Did any of that

motivate you? Or are you itching to do it again? Yeah, I would love to do it. it again. Oh, you should. It's just a lot of work. It is. It's a lot of work. And it's about sort of gosh, it's because I was going to say it's, it's about relinquishing the control, but also being so just so fastidious with it too. I'm happy to relinquish control to people that know what they're doing. So I would be happy to come back and do it and try stuff and just play. Because really it is playing, right? Yeah. But it's also when you have two kids and you live in Nashville and you work and you've got a whole other. It's a lot to commit to, but it would, I mean, it's an honor if you're ever asked.

Yeah. So, yeah, bow down. I would like, I would so love to. I'm sort of ready now because I'm also at a place where I go, ah. Yeah. Let's do it. Give it a try. If you fall flat on your face, it's okay.

Get back up. You kind of sketched the idea, Diary Island. Yeah. You have no idea where I've been and what it smelled like. That smell is a particular smell. Yeah. I'm not replicable anywhere else. I'm very, very smell sensitive.

Yeah. Oh, like, yeah. We're going to get to this part of my personality. You have a heightened smell. Yeah. Well, you did come in and you complimented our scent. Yeah. I'm either drawn to or drawn away based on a smell.

Thank God you're still here. So I was like, and you made me laugh and I love you both. And I love how you smell. Check, check. This is good. Really good vibe. Really good vibe. Okay, so we have to ask you this other thing, which is, so we've had Reese and Laura here.

Yes. My girls. The best. My girls. The best time with both of them. Reese came in and she did an impression of you. I've heard it. And it's wrong.

It's wrong. Laura came in and did an impression of Reese. So we have to know if you have a Laura Dern. In a word. She says you definitely do. Yes. Yeah. Now, let's talk about this.

Yes, this is happening, Brett, baby. Yeah. Right. I know. Yes. It's the warmest, most responsive, and you go, she gets me. Oh. She's resonating from her spirit.

Yeah. Yeah. That is Lord. Wow. Right? Yeah. Yeah. It is that, isn't it?

And then she said her arms. Like, it's a little bit at the. elbows, you know what I mean? She articulates from here. You know what I'm saying? She does. But seeing those two together, watching them improv, oh my God. Hilarious.

Yeah, they should actually have their own improv show. They are hilarious. We were laughing. Yeah, but you haven't seen them together. No, I know. When they throw it back, I mean, they're both brilliant comedians. Yes. Brilliant.

And then I just worked with one of the other brilliant comedians my generation and Sandy Bullock. Oh. Right? On practical magical magic too. Yeah. But I mean, those women own it. Of course.

Yeah. Come on. Yeah. And Julia. Julia Roberts. Oh, of course. The great comedians of their generation. Can we not sleep on your performance and just go with it, please?

Okay? Because there are people I know, and I'm going to shout them out, Jared Frieder, who says, that's Nicole's best. Yes. Just go with it. You have no idea how many. With Dave Matthews. where I'm dancing on the thing.

You've got to... You worked with everyone. What haven't you done? It's amazing. It's truly incredible. Yeah, I was in Hawaii with Adam Sandler and Jen. I mean, come on.

Can it get better than that? Yeah. And Dave Matthews. We got to get you on the morning show. Yeah. We got to get you in there with Reese and Joe in the morning show. In all my spare time.

I do have a question about how you do all of it. Do you look at your calendar and is it, are you booked through December at this point? Actually, no. You're not?

No, I'm not. Is that a purposeful choice for this year? Yeah, I'm open as of the summer. I'm just like, I'm going, okay, what's coming my way? I do not know. Well, we have this for you. So I'm not, but I'm, I've got some holidays planned. There we're good.

Yeah, I'm all about, yeah, the vacation. Yes. Right? So, so I got a cruise planned. Yes. Where are you going? Can you share? Oh, I can't tell you.

I'm going to Thailand for the first time. Oh, lovely. Oh, yeah, I love Thailand. Yeah, never been. Been all over Thailand. I do feel like for some reason. I have. I filmed in Thailand. Oh, yeah.

That's right. Twice. I did Bangkok Hilton when I was really, really young, and then I did a film Railway Man. Oh, yes, yes, yes. No, you don't know that. I don't think I know. No, yeah. I'm going to be honest with you and say.

I told you when, oh, yes, yes, yes. I called you wanted. Yes, yes. I'm happy you did. You can't watch it all But no I'm excited because I do feel like It's this weird random thing that keeps happening

Where I end up going on a vacation To whatever the last White Lotus was Wait a minute We went just to just leaving Thank you Mike White Thank you Mike White Where is he going next What did he say he's going next

You should get ahead of it He's going to cancel It's canned It's can oh lovely Did you know that? No That's the rumor Far out

That's gonna that's going to throw down, right? Let's go. This is what the buzz is on the streets. He's a genius. There was an interview he did the other day where he said the interview deals some with celebrity and about people who are comfortable being, seeking out a love that is more than just with one other person. They need a love of something larger.

And about answering that question of why and about how people can feel when they're in a relationship with someone who needs more love than just one person. can provide. Really interesting. And I think that like, you know, obviously there's going to be things of ego and stuff. Well, that comes back to that person is not satiated with themselves, right? Yeah. Of course. They're not in love with themselves.

Right. Is that what are you feeling the whole? Probably. They're not at peace. Mm-hmm. So that's a pretty, you're, I mean, you're going to face, you're going to have to face the reality of what this life is at some point. So whether you're going to allow yourself to come to that place or whether you're just going to get felt by it, right?

It's a choice. So you can do the work to actually try to, and it's never done, but you can always be going, okay, what do I do here? What is the next chapter? Particularly when you get to a certain stage in life, it's like, okay, where am I at now with who I am, and am I okay being alone? Because as soon as you're okay with, and when I say being alone, like really being alone. Sure. It's not just being alone for a couple of days in your apartment. It's, am I okay with being alone?

There will be nobody there when I die. Is that going to be okay? Are you? No, but you know, you can't. Of course. So at some point, you've got to just face the facts. It's a, which is about, which. Your guy, you guys are going to be like, geez.

No, I'm with you. But it is true. I think about it a lot. Yeah, 3 a.m. in the morning when you wake up and you are alone, well, that then is like, okay, this is where I have to be at peace. And being at peace is just about like assigning meaning to, if the meaning you're assigning to your life is not like deleterious in some aspect to your vitality. It's like if it's like this thing of like if your love has to involve the love of other people

in this way that is a little grotesque. or untenable or unsustainable. It's like that is going to eat away at something. You have to find, you have to switch gears and find a different reason to like be alive and to give yourself meaning besides this thing that is not healthy for you. You can't give you what you're needing from it.

Never will. Never. Mike White. Heavy. Do you ever watch any reality television? Because he's fully on Survivor right now. You didn't know this. Mike White is a survivor contestant.

in second. Oh, I'm so happy to tell you this. He came in second on a season of Survivor years ago, post him being a well-known Hollywood writer, way after, you know, School of Rock and Enlightened and all of that. He went on Survivor, came in second place

in a tough, like, well-regarded season. I'm sure. What are you have to do? You got to live. You got to do the Tribal Council, the votes, all that came in second place. And now he's on, this is the 50th season. This is the 50th season where they've brought back all the icons of the show.

And I guess somehow he fit into his schedule going out there for nearly 30 days and competing on Survivor. He's on it right now. Has he doing? Well. So far, it's only one week, but so far so good. And his whole narrative in the first episode was, he took his shirt off and he had like this ripped body and everyone was like, Mike White.

But I was like, I mean, man's got a Hollywood trainer. There you go. But that was the whole, his whole narrative on the first episode was, oh my God, he's That's crazy. I had no idea. Wow. Wow. But you watch everything but reality TV. No, I sometimes watch reality TV. I've watched it with my daughters and I've been like, oh, no, this is too much. Turned it off. What are they into? I'm not allowed to talk about what they're into or anything. I'm too, what I get called millennial. Join the club. Join the club. You're in the right place. And that is not a compliment.

Right, of course, of course. Not from a teenager. Right? But you do have reputation like for watching a lot. Like Reese does the impression of you being like, we have to get this directed. But I watch art films and I watch. Yeah, I'm like, okay. That's what you were like, Andrea Arnold.

Yeah. I'm like, who is this over here in Norway right now? Wow. Yeah, I'm like, I love to that. I've grown up doing that. I would go and I would. sit in a dark there and I would watch subtitle films since I was

little. It was my access to the world and I also wanted to raise global children. So that's why my kids have been to seven continents. That's amazing. As of two weeks ago or three weeks ago or whatever. Yeah, crazy right? So they hit seven at what ages? She's

15. The youngest. Oh wow. They did it. Yeah. Beautiful. That's amazing. Yeah. So now they've got to go around two. We have to find a new continent. We got to go to There's the moon. There is the moon. The eighth continent, the moon. It's actually Rural Culture number 15. There is the moon. The eighth continent, the moon. Well, I'm trying to think if they, before we do, I don't think so, honey, if there's anything else I need to pick our guest's brain about.

An expression I don't like. Pick brain. Pick brain. Yeah, you can pick my brain. Pick my heart. Take your heart. Oh. Okay. Wait. You know that you have one of the most iconic Vogue 73 questions. I do? You do. I did not know. See, I there's many. My six out. Alpacas. Yeah. Yeah. There's only four now. There's only four.

I'm so sorry. Are we going to get two new ones? Yeah. Okay, good. Yeah, we got to keep it. Of course. Why six alpacas? And then they're like, can you lead the alpaca through the frame?

We're like, no. Nope. That you do not understand. We were like, come on. Come on. Come on. Come on, Byron. Yeah.

Named after Lord Byron. Oh. Come on, Brian. Nope. Byron was like, no. And we're like, forget it. This doesn't look good. Byron.

We're pulling Lord Byron. So I was just like, no, sit on the porch. How many takes was yours? How many takes was yours? Maybe six. Oh, wow. It's a long day. It's a long day, but you kind of play.

And yeah, but you walked all through my country estate. I love it. It was beautiful. It's different now. Okay. Yeah. I've redesigned it. I redid it.

It might need another 73 questions there. You have to go back. We'll do it. Not that dog won't want to do it. There's more animals. There you go. There's reason to return. Chase Viridian, Vogue 73 questions.

There's goats. There's goats. Oh, to die four. You just watched two die four for the first time. Two horses. Two horses? You didn't meet the horses. No, we didn't get to see them.

There's many, many more. Because he had never, okay, so he had a blind spot, which was. My six alpaccus. He had a blind spot which was to die for. Oh, you haven't seen to die for? No, he's seen it now. Finally saw. I love to die for.

I love Suzanne Stone. Suzanne Stone, I feel like... San Stone is a killer. Yeah, but I love her for... But a pretty killer. She was a gorgeous killer. But I have to say, like, there's just something... Again, maybe it is just...

It's Buck Henry and Gus Van Sant. I can't believe Buck Henry wrote that. Yeah. And Gus. Yeah, Buck Henry for everyone, if you saw The Graduate, he wrote The Graduate. I mean, he's one of the great writers. And then Gus Vincent, what can we say?

I also shout out to, obviously, Joaquin, Ileana Douglas. Oh, amazing in that movie and gets lost in the conversation of great performances from that era. That's a great performance. Was she already a skater when you guys shot? No, she couldn't skate.

She said she could skate. Hey, we're at this. I love it. Can you ice skate? Absolutely. I can. And then she was on the ice. Not so good.

Not so good. She may it look good. It's so good in the movie. She and a double. She had a double. Oh, wow. But she did. She got there.

But, you know, that's what you say. Can you ride a horse? Absolutely. Can you? I skate, yes, I can. Can you, what, just say yes.

Have you lied? I've said, yeah, I can sing. And then Baz is like, hmm, we're going to need more singing lessons. You know, it's always yes. It's always yes.

And then you grow. Because, you know who? I'm talking, I'm talking to Gina Gershant tonight because her book, her memory, she's the best. I love her.

I will. Yeah. All throughout her memory, she's like, every world I've got like, show girls. Can you dance? Yeah.

No. It's like, you just say yes. You have to. I will. I will. But then it's going to become that thing where it's like, can you ski? And I'm going to be like, yeah. And you really can.

And then it's a hazard. So say yes within reason, people. Yeah, yeah. No, it's dangerous when you say. It's like, how much do you want the role? Exactly. And they're on to us now because then they're like, okay, we'll show us. Yeah, right.

They've got it. They've hacked us as actors. I know. Directors and producers are like, Mm-hmm. Send me a tape. Show me. Not that anyone has to put you through your pace.

I know. You've proven you can do everything. Also, like, what... Not real. I'm on... I'm just on a massive learning curve. I'm always like, okay, teach me. Teach me.

I'm teachable. That would be a good attribute to say. I'm teachable. Teachable. That's a great thing to be. Mm. I think it's... I hope it is.

Might be time for... I don't think so hard. And I'm not rigid. No. Certainly not. And I always wake up in a good mood. Yes. I always wake up in a good mood?

What do you attribute that to? I don't know. Born that way. You wake up in a good mood always. Yeah, I've always woken up in a good mood. Does that correlate to how you go to bed? I go to bed. I have trouble sleeping because I have a lot of energy.

Yeah. I'll get tired. Or you don't even need it. Or not after midday, but I did today. That's why I'm kind of jacked up now Can you tell I'm usually a lot Quieter More sedate

Yeah I feel a bit jacked up actually I had a cold brew today and Then two Coke Zero so I'm a killing machine Oh yeah Will you sleep tonight Maybe not but that would be because I was so excited about this You're so sweet We have been dying

Than you're coming I know it felt cosmically right When on the boat they were like You know who was just here from Nicole Kim And I was like I'm talking to her next week It was crazy. I feel like even though you are caffeine post midday, it is still talking to you and being with you in person, it is still the thing of like, oh, well, Nicole Kimman like has levitated

in all her roles, essentially. You know what I mean? It's like, you have this like airy lightness to you. You can come here more often. You might be so good. Well, you really have given so much to culture and that's what our podcast is about. And we've now been doing it for 10 years. and I would imagine you probably come up, like, you know, quite often to say the least.

And I just think back to all the eras of like our life as moviegoers. And you have a place in all of them. And I just. And in so many different ways, like, whether it's like as mainstream as Batman or as niche as something like birth. You know what I mean? Or, you know, Dogville. Dogville. I mean, like, this is like you are a true, you have a true artist spirit.

and you're also this like megawatt movie star and they just don't make them like anymore. Like Margot Robbie must be like spiritual sister to you. She's my, yeah. And I love Emma Stone. I love her. She's so brave and she's just like, yeah, shave my head. Absolutely.

What do you want? You're a ghost, let's go. Yeah. But then, you know, I've just went and worked with Osgood Perkins. I did a small role in young people, which is this horror film that he's got coming out, and I love him, and I wanted to go and support him. So he's like, I've written this role.

It's three days' work. And I'm like, yep, yep, I'm coming. Coming your way. Yeah. So I just love being able to do something like Practical Magic, which is a big studio film, and then go do a fully independent, crazy wild thing. With a bunch of really great young actresses who are rising stars.

I mean, we're good friends with Megan Fahey. Oh, yeah, yeah. I just love. And she's so good. She's amazing. She is on the cusp of being massive. Oh, she can do it all. She can do it all.

Yeah. I mean, did you see drop? And she's sort of effortless. No, I haven't seen it. She was in this movie called Drop, which came out last year, which was she plays a single mom, pretty recently single mom who goes on the first date she's been on since her abuser husband, like took his own life and tried to kill her. And she's finally got her legs again.

and she goes on a blind date with this guy, and she sits down at dinner, and she starts getting air-dropped messages from someone at her home who's kidnapped her son. And so it's just, it's sort of like a... It's like a red eye meets like, I don't even know. Oh, I'm going to watch it. Oh, it's good.

And Megan is fantastic in it. She just holds the frame, and she's just so good. And she's gorgeous and she's talented. Yeah. I'm going to text her after this. Yeah, yeah. But anyways, all that and more. Celebrate your pride with the station that says bold, vibrant and diverse as you are.

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No, I know. All right. I'm ready to go. It's not going to be popular with the rest of the panel here today, but I'm just going to go ahead and do it. I know where this is going. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Antarctica.

No. Because I FaceTime my girl on the way to Antarctica and she's supine in a rickety vessel with the, what do you call it? A scop. A scop patch, whatever this is. You have to learn what that is to go to Antarctica. He's got the scop patch, whatever it is, however you goddamn spell it. On his neck, I go, is that helping?

He goes, yeah, but I can't see. My girl is cross-eyed supine on the Drake's Passage. Now I know what the Drake's Passage is the most treacherous waters. 30 seconds. The Atlantic meets the Pacific? I don't think so, honey. Keep them separate. I see my girl finally gets to Antarctica,

takes a few pictures, sends me a video. It's the iceberg falling apart. The iceberg takes the video on the iceberg. And I say, now, is that supposed to happen? He says, they go yes and no. I go, okay, not great information for me on tonight. I don't think so, honey, Antarctica. You can kind of get there, kind of now.

You have to wait days. Nicole Kimman's flying in on an ice. What is it called? The pathway? I don't know. So honey. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.

Just maybe not for me. I can get Africa in and that'll be six. And you're going to keep it. We'll work on you. We'll work on you. But I just, I don't know. That's a bad, that there, no, we can delete that. We're deleting.

We can delete that. It's funny. Okay, but I will say, I had planned to do that one so I did it, but you guys do make it sound really appealing and adventurous. Oh, good. The quiet and the meditative. No, truly. You've already changed your mind. That's my prerogative.

My prerogative. The patch is transdermal. It steadies your optic nerve so then I could have. Yikes. Yeah. I didn't do the patch. I just was parkour. You were ruffed it.

You were rocking. Oh, I love that. I just did it. I'm a Navy SEAL. Yeah. No, I've been told that with pain. Really? Yeah.

What made someone say that to you? Destroyer. No, no. For some reason. I can have broken bone and just still not even go and get it x-rayed and not check it and walk around and just say it's a pulled muscle. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

Holy moly. Now that's concerning. Yeah, not normal for a redhead because usually you feel extra pain. That's what they say. Redheads feel extra pain? Is that a recessive gene thing? Yeah, it's something to do.

They just say, well, I'm not that. Yeah. I can like, I don't know. I put myself in a trance. Yeah. They go, do you need the anesthesia? No. Huh.

So you need to do Survivor. Was what you're saying. I wish I'd know Mike was doing it. I would have done it with him. Honestly, I don't think it's too late. We might get it back for another season. I'm like, Mike, you should have texted me and said, you want to do this together?

And we would have gone head to head. You would have gone head to head. I definitely would have come in second. I think I will come in last, though, because I give up easily. No, you don't. You can walk around with a broken bone. No, but in terms of a competition that's that, I would just go, I give up.

Are you not a competitive person? I'm not good to have on a sports team because I was always chosen last for the volleyball team because I just was like, well, is this really important? Do we have to win this? I'm not a good doubles tennis partner because I'm like, oh, I can psychology. I need some sports psychology. I'm with you. Yeah, I give up.

I'm like, do it matter? See, I think for me it mattered too much growing up. I'm so sorry. Let's all go to dinner, you know. Let's have a glass of wine. Yeah. It's too stressful. Life's too stressful.

It's too stressful to care about winning the volleyball game. I agree. You're not all the tennis match. Let's just play some recreational tennis. Hit the ball back and forth. I said hit the ball. Nicole, what are you doing? Serve it.

They're not going to get what they want. Right. Who? Your tennis partner? No. But I'll play and I'll wear a short tennis skirt and try to look cute. Give the vibes. Yeah.

That's it. Yeah, Gouture. Couture. Couture. Couture tennis playing. All that training. Are you ready to do your, I don't think so many. Oh, my God.

And you guys speak really far. This is Bollandangs. I don't think so many. His time starts now. I don't think so many, the scam, the long con that is, outdoor furniture. What do you mean? I got to tie it down.

What do you mean that a cough of a Victorian child could blow the cushions into another yard? Now I'm doing parkour from one patio to the next just to fetch my damn stained water-stained cushions for my rickety-ratin, rat-tan chair. I got to tie up the umbrella that is also going to be marked by the dirt and minerals of rain.

I don't know, man. If you got to tie down anything so it doesn't blow away, like tumbleweed. I don't think it's worth buying and placing in in your own space. Outdoor furniture, it's a scam. You're outdoor rugs. They're going to look like shit in six months. Wait for one season to pass by. It'll look bad. And that's one minute. That is true. I have to co-sign this. I'm co-signing it too. And you're, you want a damn farm, Nicole. And I'm like, you get the beautiful, warm stained wood and they're like, no, the silver ratty thing is actually what it's meant to look like. And you're like, no, no, I wanted it to stay looking like it was in the store.

That's what you said it would do. It's just like any furniture you put outside and then it gets old and ratty. It's impossible. Faster, faster, actually, than the indoor furniture. Yeah. You're right. So just drag the indoor furniture outside when you need it. You might as well. You might as well. It gets incredibly dirty, incredibly quickly, especially in L.A. where, at least where my place is. Like, just filth. I think it's just filth. I think it's. I agree. I agree. Anyway, I'm just saying, I don't think so, honey. Thank you. That part. And, you know, I hate thinking about you doing parkour around the building. Like your Spider-Man or something. I'm running around going, hey, pal, my, my little topiary fell into your, whatever, you know what I mean? Like. Yeah. And then you've got the outdoor cushions piled up indoors, taking up space, not looking good. Where do we put these? just shove him in the corner and you're like, just

get rid of them. Get rid of it. They're ugly. I have to have a storage bin for the tarps to cover the grill. I don't think so many tarps. Can I say?

Nothing good happens around the tarp. No, no, no. Like, lay down the tarp. That was another thing in Antarctica though you couldn't put anything to you to put it down on the tarp. You'd have put your life jacket onto the tarp. Protect it.

You'd protect it all. It's beautiful. We were very obedient. of the Antarctica energy around the world. I think so. Because I will say we went to Tokyo, then came back to America, couldn't believe how filthy we are by comparison. Like you walk around New York and you compare it to Tokyo, it's like absolutely absurd.

Like you don't even see it because you're so used to it. I know. Yeah. But it's like that in London. It's all about the contrast, isn't it? And then to open your eyes. Yeah. Yeah.

That's why it's important to travel. I agree. I agree. Now, it's time. Uh-oh. Mine? This is going to be good. I think you've got it.

You've got the idea. I just got the idea. Yeah, yeah. You're going to absolutely crush it. This is Nicole Kidman's. I don't think so, honey. And her time starts now. I don't think so, honey, if you have bad breath.

I cannot stand bad breath. I mean, this is a deal breaker for me. Like, you could be the most gorgeous, gorgeous guy. And you come at me with bad breath. breath and I'm like, no, no, no. It's off. Right? It's like, if I say, breathe on me and I have to recoil, yikes.

I'm out. I am out. You could not offer me enough money. 30 seconds. And so therefore, when Alexander Scarsguard ate a falafel sandwich before we did, the scenes in big little lies, I'm like, no, no, no, Alex, I'm meant to be kissing you into you, put away the falafel now. Right? Because the bad breath does not turn me on. As I said, it is very important to smell good, but more importantly, the mouth, the taste of the mouth,

and the smell of the mouth is very important to me. And that's one minute. I have to say, Alexander Scarsgaard has been having such a moment with Pilion and you just not. him out. I'm sure he did not eat a falafel ever again. You looked him in the eyes and you said. No more falafel. No more that. Nope.

Not before you kiss. Not before you make love. No more falafel. Put the falafel away. It's a rule of culture number 50. No more falafel before you make love. And I just have to say, for an actor of your caliber to say that falafel could destroy the reality of the scene.

Could just render, could render the scene work completely meaningless. Purely on breath. Yeah. You really are an olfactory queen. It's all about the breath. You are an olfactory queen. It's all the breath, the smell.

Yeah. Yeah. You want me to lean in? Is that your most tightens sense? Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Smell.

Tied to memory. Which is why when I lost it, I was relieved. After basement. You said unburdened me. I was like, few. Oh. This was after baby girl.

After COVID, I lost the smell. Combo. Yeah. And I was in a good way because it was a mutant. It was finally, I was free. You knew peace finally. It was like you were in an article on the ocean. I was free.

So that when it came back, I am obsessed. I can't. Now knowing. And you want to know who smells the best. Who? However, Rihanna. Oh, of course. I've heard that actually.

It's true. Do you think it's that like she just has a scent that like a fragrance that she has? I don't know. We don't need to. We don't need to unravel and decipher it. Just know it's all true. What is it still like? It's intoxicating.

I've heard this is like I will follow you around. And it is like you smell so good. Oh my gosh. I will follow you around. So you're saying it. I'm Pepe Lepew. Yeah. You're Pepe Lepe.

Lapeu. In the most respectful way. But no, truly, she smells divine. Wait, by the way. I'll tell you who also really smelled divine. I have my Looney Tunes characters on today. Yes. We love Looney Tunes.

We love Looney Tunes. Yes. There's coyote. Yeah, there he is. Yes. Now, don't you do little quacka. There's Tweety. It's Tweety.

All of them. Oh my God. Honestly, I want to, I knew to whip this out at the right moment. Yeah. Something is happening. Yeah. You were in a thrall right now about Rihanna, Tweety Bird, smells in general. The legendary ladies of our time.

I'm sensory. Okay. I'm so happy. I remembered to key them. This is a cute mock. It's very cute. So good. Anyways.

So good. Listen. This has falafels, Tweety Bird, Rihanna. We covered it all. Diary Island. Diarrere Island. That's why I didn't like it, you see? Of course.

Yeah, the smell. It's all about smell. It's been a shivery, delicious episode. Fabulous. Fabulous. It doesn't even begin to cut it. We want to just say thank you so much for coming here. Thanks, Fab.

I mean, Scarpetta is out now. You can stream it the hell away, like in one. binge, that's what Nicole is saying to do. And watch Jamie Lee Curtis and I tear it up. Fisty Cuffs. We come to, we physically fight in it. Oh, I'm so happy. We literally fight. And you two are... Sists to fight. But like, come

to blows. You're two, I'm going to say rambunctious people. And just to see that is going to be good. It's worth the price. I hope so. I hope so. And Mark was got money troubles. Yes, I've produced that. Yes, yes, yes. on its way.

Yes, with L. and the darling Michelle. Oh my God, we didn't even talk about the beguiles. We didn't talk about the Beguiles. Bring me the ax. No, not the actual

the spellbook. No, bring me the anatomy book. The anatomy book. Okay. Start the episode again. Sophia. No, the best. So, we're like,

we gotta go. She's got to go to her premiere and Scarpetta. Oh, miss the premiere. It will be all about the beguiled. I'm coming back. Come back. You got to ask me back.

Anytime. And every episode. You got to have Laura Reese and I back. Yes. Please don't threaten us. All right. He just... I'm like, wrap it up.

We ended every episode with the song. Come on me. We're both you in. Come on me. You were really you in there. Oh, until my... Day. We love that throaty belt, you in.

Let's get Nicole out. Okay. Consumption. Consumption. Lost Culture racist is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and I Heart Radio. Podcasts.

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosnii and produced by Becker-Ramos. Edited and mixed by Doug Bame. And our music is by Henry Kavirski. Hi, it's Joe Interesting, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And today I'm talking with my dear friend, Krista Williams. It can change you in the best way possible.

Dance with the change, dance with the breakdowns, the embodiment of Pisces intuition with Capricorn power moves. So I'm like delusionally proud of my chart. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. Next Monday, our 2026 IHeart Podcast Awards are happening live in South by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcasting. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year.

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including fellow S&L alums, comedians, musicians, and more about life and their wonderfully complicated relationships with their fathers. I think and hope that's a good thing. Get to know Ego. Follow Thanks, Dad with Ego Wodom and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. Hey, I'm Jay Chetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Hillary Duff, singer, actress, and multi-platinum artist. You desire in family like this picture, and that's not reality.

My sister and I don't speak. It's definitely a very painful part of my life, and I hope it's not forever, but it's for right now. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Chetty on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast, guaranteed human.