Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Snarky F*ggots" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: December 15, 2021

And Just Like That... it's the last new episode of Las Culturistas in the year of our good lord 2021. The iconic two (Matt & Bowen) take this time to lay down the law on spoiler culture once and for all, express their thoughts on cum, and really do a deep dive on the new revival of S*x and the C*ty, AND JUST LIKE THAT! TL;DR: we have some concerns and questions (Is Miranda now a queer alcoholic? How annoying is too annoying when it comes to Charlotte? What's the deal with how they're using the new POC characters? Will Samantha return? Why is Steve deaf? Are the third graders from The Morning Show now on this project?) but we will watch every episode, are thankful for it's return and absolutely love everyone involved. All this, more West Side Story thoughts (Tony Kushner is GOOD), Succession finale thoughts (this television show is IMPORTANT) and an examination and performance of Nicole Kidman's iconic AMC Theaters opening presentation (Nicole is a SAVANT). Also, RHOLSC thoughts, Survivor finale predictions, and a talk about how hands are weird. Fear Peloton! Happy New Year! We love you! Xo! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. And just like that. Just like that. Big. Doin'? Girl, I guess you have to say spoiler alert. No, there's, it's no.

No, I refuse. I refuse to handhold at every juncture. Yeah, it's too much. Our listeners give us enough guff. We love the readers so much, but sometimes you guys are out of pocket. Yeah, you're out of pocket sometimes when you come up to me and be like, you ruined this thing for

me. There's incest in Game of Thrones or there's a gossip girl and gossip girl. Yeah, truly. It's gotten to that point. It's like, can I say something? If you're listening to this podcast and you haven't watched the first two episodes of Venn just like that, that's truly, I don't know. I don't know how to relate to you girls anymore.

I really, no, hey, no. We just don't want you to feel any further kind of alienation from what we're talking about on this silly little podcast that we have. Oh, we did have some readers ask if we're doing 12 Days of Culture this year. We unfortunately will not be. Matt is very busy touring. You know, I'm busy working, I guess.

Yeah, I would say that you are. Well, I think we're both actually overextended. And I think that we're going to be taking it a little bit easy for the rest of the year, everyone. There's going to be some re-releleases we haven't even talked to our producers about this yet but we actually don't have time to record the rest of the year so we will be putting little easter eggs out there some familiar old favorite episodes out you know it's just it just so happens that the holidays become an extra busy time for the culturistas. Not the least of which reason being that we have to keep on top of the culture in our own lives. And just like that's going to be putting out episodes and we have to be watching them.

Can I just say to the space? Yeah. I did not mean to come so hard for the readers from the very beginning. I think that they get it. They get it. This is not, no, but this isn't even specific to the readers. This is as a culture culture we need to stop it with the spoiler alert culture okay because you and i both you and i have both been on either

side of this i mean that was for those of you who don't know we're not relitigating we're not going to relitigate it but we are going to just state the facts, which is when Katya Zamolochakova was eliminated on RuPaul's Drag Race, the television program, RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7, Bowen Yang logged onto Twitter and tweeted two words, but elongated. Katya, no! Not on Twitter. It was Facebook. It was Facebook. Smaller audience. Wow, wow, wow, Twitter. It was Facebook. It was smaller audience, smaller audience.

And guess what? Drag race is queer sports. You watch them live. You don't DVR the game and watch it, you know, three days later and think, hey, thank goodness no one spoiled the result for me. You know, I think I agree with you now because I, now that I've moved to, I remember living in New York when you did that and I felt with you now. Because now that I've moved to... I remember living in New York when you did that and I felt spoiled drag race.

I was like, irate. But now it's like, now that I live in Los Angeles, it's like, no, we're three hours behind and it truly is, you're always at risk for spoilers. You cannot go on social media if you're in LA, if you're on the West Coast, for the three hours until it airs. Also, if you're so panicked and worried for the three hours until it airs. Also, if you're so panicked and

worried about being spoiled on social media about your favorite shows, then examine your relationship with social media. Well, I don't know. This is all dicey, I guess. Some people will take issue with this, which is fine. I think... I hope we offend people. I hope we really offend people today on the episode. Make headlines,

finally, for offension. Actually, for offention, I actually find that I have developed better coping mechanisms around having something spoiled to me. Uh-huh. Like,

I think this is actually like a beautiful learning opportunity, teachable opportunity. Because like, I mean, like with fucking All-Star 6,

like every week I was getting it spoiled when I would go on Twitter.com myself. Yeah. And I was like, oh, well now I know like who the assassin is who goes home who whatever just a bad way to roll out that show but I still but then I think it's retuned my expectations around or like my enjoyment

overall of like obviously I will enjoy it less if I had known if I hadn't known but now I can watch something where I know what the result is and enjoy it anyway, you know? It just depends on what it is. Of course. I'm just going to come out here and bravely say, like, I thought All Stars 6 was fun, but it did not bother me in the slightest

that I logged on one day to Instagram, the app, and the first thing that popped up was Laganja Estranja turning over a lipstick that said Silky. Literally, the whole episode ruined for me in a second. Who the assassin was,

what person won the lip sync, and who was eliminated. I was just like, wow, I can't even open the app without being spoiled. That's what I'm saying. So, but I... But you're saying it depends. It depends on the content. So here's the thing. This is what I'm saying. But you're saying it depends

on the content. So here's the thing. This is what I'm saying, though. It's like, if I was to press play on this episode today of Lost Culturistas and just like that, I was spoiled, and the first words in the episode were, Big died, I'd be like, you know what, though?

The episodes of And Just Like That have been out for days and a weekend has passed. So I have no excuse. I came unprepared to Las Culturistas. My thing is that I feel like the seal has been broken on the conversation around Big's death. Right. Oh, 100%. People are writing about it. There are pieces about it now.

Everyone knows what's happened. So it's fine. It's fine. We've already wasted too much time. Can I just say, without a spoiler alert, we are bravely leaving the very first episodes big-dyed. First, sorry, we smoked. The very first words of this episode are going to be big-dyed.

We're leaving that, and we're good with it. You're asking if we're cutting it? No. No, we're leaving it. I love it. I love us. I fucking love us. I fucking love us.

And then if we cut- Obsessed with us. Obsessed with us. If we cut that, then you're going to cut the whole fucking first six minutes of this podcast. No, we could do two single bleeps. Like bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep.

Like it was a damn curse. No. No. No way. No way. Can I say an ugly word? That's such pussy shit. that would be such pussies hmm

examine that problematic huh that's the title of that problematic huh of course I say that facetiously everyone out there love you and kiss you all on the forehead. Big actually did die.

And I respect it so much. Honey, I sat up in my chair and I said, this show might have just actually fucked. And Candice Bushnell could never. She could never. We thank Candice for creating this world. Thanks for the sort of canvas. But now it is time to color in the canvas with crayons and the third graders have a new job honey are you here to say that the third graders

have been hired i think the third graders showed what they could do with the morning show season two and the producers of it just like that were saying I think that we got a staff here and I've never been more happy where is the teacher in this what's the teacher doing this time the teacher is the teacher took a week off because this writer's

room was only one week yeah this writer's room was one week it was the next week it was like well basically what happened was on Monday morning, the teacher walked in and she had seen, because she had binged Morning Show season two over the weekend. And she walked in and she said,

good job. You guys really did an amazing job. Great imaginations. I loved the choices that you made. So big. Very good. And I love the cliffhanger ending. So big. Very good. And I love the cliffhanger ending. Wow, what's going to happen next?

Oh, my God. Can you do that, but with sex in the city? And here's some parameters. No, Samantha. That would be too sexy for you guys. Well, this is so interesting because I think i think yeah like the teacher was like well this time you have to use an existing ip and the kids went oh and then here we are here we are i mean literally when big died at the end i was like

the third graders i'm so happy they found another job well then now they're story editors that's the thing they Oh, they got promoted. They did their hard year as staff writers and now the third graders have actually been emboldened by their promotion to story editor. That doesn't always happen. You know, the title change. After one room? Rarely ever. Oh, no.

Very rare. Good job, third graders. Very good. They're making their way in the entertainment industry and soon they'll be show running. You know what I mean? Soon the third graders are just going to be able to come up with their own ideas for what to put on. Oh my God. I cannot wait. I mean, it's one thing if like these shows got canceled and like none of us cared, but like we're talking about these shows. That's huge. Can I say something? You needed the third graders if you were going to revive Sex and the City for today.

Because here's the thing. The third graders, only a third grader could have a cursory enough understanding of the character Miranda Hobbs to have her spin out the way she does in that classroom with that professor, who, by the way, is Karen Pittman who's also on The Morning Show. Is she my favorite actress? Yes. It's rule of culture number 14. Matt's favorite actress is Karen Pittman. From Sex and the City, Revival, and just like that, and Morning Show

season one and two. You know, I bet Karen went into the classroom and like took a meeting with the writers. Yeah. And the third graders were like, hi, Miss Karen. And she was like,

hey guys, so what are you cooking up? And then they're like, um, you play a professor of a human rights program. Okay. And you,

I think what we want you to do is be attacked by a Chucky on the subway. Wait, hold on a second. This, you think this could really happen in real life? And actually the third graders, I mean, you know who was obsessed with this storyline

was Bowen Yang. I am obsessed with this storyline. The third graders killed this for you. They uh like like achieved something here real talk real talk and let me i haven't fully been able to like verbalize this in the way that like is clear but you get what i'm saying when i say that when you texted me this i agree with every word it felt like classic vintage sex in the city when it when it was known for having like edge or when it was known for like showing like a little underbelly bits

of New York City. Yeah, the random spurts of New York energy that specific chaotic New York thing that felt really good here in a real way. And it was just like a half of a scene.

But like I kind of like appreciate and like there are little moments like that like in the second episode right like when Miranda sees Carrie in the kitchen the morning after like she goes over and like Yes, that was fantastic I thought. Making coffee like it's just an interesting little scene where I'm like wow

like you would have never gotten this in the movie I don't think. And it just feels like I like when it has this sort of, you know, little like flavor, this body to it. Does that make sense? A hundred percent. And I think that, let's just say this, and I am going to talk, I am real talk. That's what I'm going to do at this point. I think that the first time I watched the first two episodes of Vengeance like that,

because I have watched it now through two times I think I was so in shock by what was going on and like the new way that the characters that we know and love are interacting with this very new world that literally and figuratively I'm talking about because like

it does feel like I don't know like the sex in the city it's it's still it's right that it's know, like the sex in the city, it's, it's still, it's right that it's called something different than sex in the city because it just doesn't feel like sex in the city. It feels like an updated version of like, where you, if you took this characters in a New York that was being filmed with one camera and now it's like a whole different lens on it. Like the voiceover not being there is a huge departure. It's only at the end.

I love it. I was like, wait, we're not doing the voiceover? Like, this is so weird. We're not using the same opening credits. She's not a blogger, yeah. Right, like we're in a different version of it. She's not a writer, a columnist, sorry. Right.

Well, now she's a damn podcaster, which we must discuss. We must discuss. But like that, the first time I watched it through, I was so like, oh my God, I'm shocked. I don't know if I liked that. And the second time I actually it through, I was so like, oh my God, I'm shocked. I don't know if I liked that. And the second time I actually did. I appreciated it.

I think the third graders understand what to do here. By the third graders, I mean like, you know, like Michael Patrick King and like- These well-known acclaimed writers. Yes, yes, yes. That we're referring to as the third graders lovingly. Because big things happen. That we're referring to as the third graders lovingly. Because big things happen. That's why.

I love that this feels, one, not anything like the movies. Although I do, I mean, I do maintain that one is great. I like the first movie. And two, that it just feels like, of course it won't be like the same. It would be, it's so funny though. I can't tell what this what and just like that's relationship or its awareness of fantasy is yet because i feel like the original sex in the city was a fantasy was this like yeah well to do manhattan fantasy of like what like single women

like how like what they were thinking about how they lived this i'm like okay so covid happened and it's over quote unquote and Completely eradicated a world where it happened and we beat it. And no one's wearing a mask and all this stuff. And so I can't even like, I can't even like sort of like draw a line to where we are in the present day in 2021 at the end of 2021. So I'm like, okay, so this is taking place on a different timeline like let's just I have to accept that first then that is I would say fantastical so I'm like

I think this is still a fantasy which makes it I guess okay to like watch it and laugh at the frivolous parts but then I don't know appreciate the parts that like try to ground itself in some like real reality that's redundant but like I don't know i feel

like all the little glimmers of i never thought sex in the city was that frivolous to be honest when it was on i was always like this is a very mature developed show it has a lot to say it's very bold it's because you took what the women were taking seriously seriously the only reason it was known as a frivolous show is because it was about women. Right. This show was always tackling things that were really, I mean, there was gravity in everything they discussed.

I feel like the gravity is back. Oh, in a major way. For me, it's just like, what they really needed to do with these first two episodes, and I'm really happy that two were released all at the same time, was really show you just how much they were going to reboot the show.

You have to answer and spend time on the Samantha of it all, the big of it all, in order to adjust us all to the new reality of, and just like that, not sex in the city. And yet you still have to honor sex in the city.

And so it did take these first two episodes to do that. And then you see in the trailer of what the whole show is going to be, we actually are getting a comedy, but you need to have these first two episodes, I think carry dramatic weight to not to, to pun these first two episodes, I think, carry dramatic weight to pun and not mean to. But I also think

enough of the humor was there where I'm like, it's not gone. I love that the first thing Miranda says is, I stepped on my son's used condom this morning. It's like, that is an intro line at brunch in a classic Sex and the City sense. You're absolutely right.

The first two episodes did have to bust open the world. A lot of work to do. Yeah. And it's a lot of work to do. I'm excited to watch. I will be watching every week. Like, this is my new appointment television now that Succession is done. I do want to briefly touch on it, even though you don't watch it. No, no, I

would love to talk about it, yeah. But I don't know. All I'm saying is I'm very happy it's back. Me too. And I honestly... Or that it's here. Yeah, the new characters are interesting to me. I think that, you know, I think for us,

and I actually think we should peel back the curtain on something, and I'm excited about it. For me, I don't know how you feel, but when I watch a podcast recording on television or a depiction of a podcast recording on television, I'm always looking for something that makes it feel like, like,

how are they doing this? Like, how are we making a podcast fun on TV? And I think ultimately this served. And of course it did. Like these writers are some of the grades, but it served character in a way and wasn't like the character they're doing a podcast it was like yeah about carrie struggling at work

and so that is another important establisher is carrie you know she always just like part of the dna of the show is she has success as a writer she's a a columnist. Carrie Bradshaw has to adapt professionally. And that's another reason why I think it's a really valid thing to explore if you're going to reboot the show, because her life is going to get more difficult as the media changes. So I thought that that was really great. And I also think it's cool that part of the DNA of what she's going to go through is she's going to have to become more open. And I also think it's cool that part of the DNA of what she's going to go through is she's going to have to become more open. And this is someone who was always at the forefront and known as being revolutionary and bold and Carrie Bradshaw. So to see Carrie Bradshaw be confronted

with the fact that maybe she's not edgy is fun to me. It's meta. It's self-aware in a meta way where they understand the show cannot possibly be the edgy show it was back then and that these women will not have the same kind of sex that they did when they were in their 30s. Yeah. And I

dug the podcast scene a lot. I love the quick cuts to whatever the engineer was. They have their own hot engineer. Loved that. Loved that. And they have a hot engineer. It's so funny. I think that engineer will reappear in some intimate way.

It seems like, yes, and I would fucking love that. And also, so that's like one of those things that's just in there enough where I'm like, I think you're right about that. You know what else is just in there enough that I think it's going to be a thing miranda's drinking like oh my god the shibli ordering the shibli so funny well it's so funny because when i first watched the episode and the episodes and i got to the end i didn't even think of the fact that in a few different scenes we see miranda needing to drink at 10 45 in the morning before she goes to class and waiting in a bar when she's 15 minutes early

yes then later on we see her like have to drink before she gives the eulogy at carrie's funeral and she can't wait to get her drink there. And she brings wine to the piano recital. So like they are slipping in there that Miranda drinks a lot. And it's been really subtle because people that I've talked to haven't noticed it, but I've been picking up on it. Oh, yeah, we've noticed it. I was at dinner and people were talking about how like, is it, do we want to see a Miranda alcohol alcoholism story this is what i think about it might not even be an alcoholism story because my thing is just like of course it looks like they're laying the groundwork for that but maybe it will just be a thing of she's being asked

for the first time ever to uh to just consider her relationship with alcohol and what it is because another part of sex in the city is they do drink a lot and so when she was ordering drinks i was i didn't even second guess it because i was like yeah this is what they do these women they drink she wants to drink before she goes to class she's a she's a professional like woman she's like an adult woman doing this she can make a decision about this but then when i thought about the way they were depicting it, I was like, oh, if they're saying there's an issue here, that's interesting. And for the first time ever, it seems like she's going to have like the developing, really close new friendship with this professor. And maybe this professor is going to be like,

you drink a lot, you know, like maybe that's where it comes from. Because all her friends aren't going to see it. They just accept it as the reality. How do we feel about each of these women having their own magical colored person to wake them up and be like, hey, this is what the world is like, actually. I'm conflicted. So, you know, this is not the first time that I think like a character is a certain race. And then of course you have to ask the question of how, how are the, how is this character being utilized? We don't know them well enough yet. I think it's possible that they're setting enough groundwork in each of their individual stories that it won't feel like

we're just there to service the main three but maybe i'm giving it too much credit i understand why you pose that but i'm willing to give it a chance yeah okay i just i can't someone did bring up that i was talking to that it is insane that the thing that miranda says after she saves she saves she saves uh professor naya from the attack is was that was that a white savior moment or whatever i'm like it's insane hey that is like that is actually kind of crazy if i was if i was the karen pitman character dr naya if i was dr naya in that in that instance i'd be like honestly i don't let you are making me really uncomfortable constantly and i think you should think about not being in the

class there you go at this point i would just be like this is i don't think this situation is working for me and i'm the teacher so you gotta go actually miranda's antics like when when she when she was trying to get into the when dr naya was trying to get into the yeah i did never id miranda's antics and then someone said i think it was um laverne cox on the view they had cynthia nixon on and laverne cox was like i love the show i love miranda but is she the original karen because miranda is that vibe but not to this extent i don't i don't think she is the original karen though like miranda like was like i definitely don't think she was either.

Make it... I mean, everyone said this at this point. Like, make it Charlotte. It makes total sense for Charlotte to be that. Yeah. But, of course, like, I don't know. I'm sure we'll get some of that with her and this LTW character.

I think that might be interesting because, clearly, it's, like, on a status level, like, that LTW character is doing better than charlotte and charlotte probably like is going into that relational thing being like oh i'm a piece of shit compared to her which i kind of love because i think charlotte sucks as a character charlotte is awful and i hate to say it but i don't know how you feel but in the scenes where charlotte is taking up too much of the narrative i'm like unfortunately a guiding principle of this character is that

she's annoying annoying and just let her be annoying she can't but you're saying like like at this point it's like too grating and you're like as a viewer, you can't even remember that. The way it needs to work is we need a Carrie A story, a Miranda B story, and some rotational thing of Samantha and Charlotte down there. But we don't have Samantha to balance Charlotte. And that's why I'm really excited to get to know these new characters because I feel like then it will populate more and we don't have to spend as much time with Charlotte

because unfortunately unfortunately there are just not a lot of redeeming qualities outside of the fact that she is a very good and loyal our favorite word friend and she's well intentioned but she's annoying and I often think she's not that smart. Oh no

but that's the character and I think like that's what we've all understood the character to And I think like, that's what we've all understood the character to be. I think that I will enjoy the whole thing. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately.

We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets out of here alive. Salt Lake City. We don't wear pastels,

we wear fashion. And below deck sailing out. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image,

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I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K., and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying, and I was inconsolable. It was just very big sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of

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And I'm like, what's the storyline? Like they're 50 and their bodies are falling apart. I don't know. And like, I'm sorry, but Mr. Eigenberg is still like so crazy hot. He's hot, virile. Why are we making him say what all the time? Like I don't want to hear him say what. Like that's what his whole role is now.

It feels like Steve's voice got even stevier over the decades. Hug your mommy. Hug your mommy. Now, Brady's fucking in the next robe. I'm like, what is this? You forget how just dominatingly weird his voice is. It just takes over everything. Everyone I've watched it with

and talked about this with has been like, Steve's voice has never been this insane. It's like Carol Channing if she had no teeth or something. Okay, mommy. I was like, that scene was absolutely insane.

But I'm saying like, he's so hot still. He's so hot. And not that i correlate hotness to like sexual activity but like like why wouldn't he and miranda be having so much oh no i here's the thing if i'm in a relationship with steve i'm getting i'm really sorry to say this but bread constantly and i'm really sorry to just come out and say it like that i hate that i did that that's okay.

But I'm not a dishonest person. I'm not a dishonest person. And the reality is he'd be breeding me. That is the reality. If you were, oh my God, if you went into the third graders room, that'd be the first thing out of your mouth. And you don't care that they're third graders.

No, I don't care at all. And you know what? Here's the thing. If the class is like 16, 17 kids. It's a lot of kids. I think four or five of them actually know what breeding is. And then they all tell each other. And if that's the way they-

I think four or five third graders in the year 2021 out of a class of 16 or 17 know what it means to get bred. Yeah, for sure. That's rough, huh? Yeah, I guess. Fourth grade, maybe. Third grade. Damn. You forget.

The kids know. What did you... Did you have any, when you were that age, really young, huge misconceptions about what sex was and how it worked?

So this is my thing, is that I didn't understand what cum was until I was in how it worked. I didn't. So this is my thing is that I didn't understand what come was until I was like in the fifth grade. Right now. What did you think come was? Because I have a story about what I thought come was. I thought come was just like basically pee. But I honestly didn't understand.

I like when, when, when like I read it in the fifth grade, like sex ed, like that, like ejaculation happened. I was like, well, I don't understand i like when when like i read it in the fifth grade like sex ed like that like ejaculation happened i was like well i don't understand i've never seen that word before and i don't care to know what it means so i will not look into it such an ugly word ejaculation number three such an ugly word ejaculation so that was my feeling so what was yours

i was told by i think this kid's name was eric in like the second grade that he's like yeah like you ever think about cum and i was like what's cum and he was like cum you know like like semen and i was like oh and what is i was like what is that and he was like it's when you get really sexually excited and you rub your dick on something so much that you throw up white stuff i thought this kid told me that like when you got sexually so excited that you threw up a little bit of white and that's how babies got got how women got pregnant was through their mouth you threw up in their mouth the white and so like i was like that all makes a lot of sense to me actually because there is like a

weird feeling like down there in your stomach, I thought, when you manipulate your penis. And then I thought, and then obviously the women swallow something, it goes into their belly, and then their belly gets big. That makes sense to me. And it was, I think, months until I found out it was actually, you know, cum in the traditional cum sense, i.e. it comes out your penis. Well, girl, you go into third graders classroom and then you get the script six months later and you go, I'm gonna throw it up in Steve's mouth. Steve's throwing up in mine. Huh?

Huh? But anyway, I think the news would travel enough that they could do a storyline about it. But unfortunately, they're doing the deaf thing with Steve. I think missed opportunity, but whatever. Whatever. Oh, wait, this is what i wanted to peel back the curtain on oh yeah so the podcast of it all so when bowen and i did lost culture east this live at was it little island it was at little island it was in august yes in the middle Yes. In the middle of production. In the middle of production of And Just Like That, we got a

request that tickled us that Sara Ramirez would like to come to our show. And we were like, oh my god, absolutely. Do they listen to the podcast? Oh my god. We thought, oh my god, maybe they listen to the podcast. Then, after

the show, I had heard that they really enjoyed it. And then Bowen said, you know what? goes into the podcast. Then, like, after the show, like, I had heard that they really enjoyed it and then Bowen said, you know what it was? Because then, by then,

the news had come out they were playing a podcast show. I put two and two together. Yes. And so Bowen was like, I think they came for research to see like a live podcast show because then

in the preview for it, it's very clear that There's a live show. Yeah. Sara as Che does a live show we were part of the research for the character of chay you guys we think we think i just want to say that i don't think they really i i i think they might have been disappointed because i think they thought

of us as stand-ups and that like we were like a very like socially like we talked about like the issues capital i a lot. And what they like ended up coming to was this like stupid comedy show where we each did one minute rants against like fucking like string cheese or whatever, you know, like it was so frivolous. I don't know. I think, I think they might've got something out of it because I did hear from a connector that they really enjoyed it. But I, I've been really, it's been really crazy because i didn't watch gray's anatomy after a couple seasons that they were on back in the day i forget sada ramirez when they were in the elevator with carrie going down i was like you know the there's like i hate i hate that that

character pulls out a pipe would never happen oh i definitely hate that that there's a pipe of it all but i don't know i guess what i'm saying ultimately is I am enjoying watching a show with Sata Ramirez in it because I fucking love Sata Ramirez. Me too. I just, I have some issues with the way Che is written so far. Okay, speak on that. Just the whole introductory scene where they're on the mic

and it makes total sense that this is how you would introduce this character. But the way that they sort of rattled off all of these identities and like made it such a I don't know, like so cloying it's not a Sarah thing

it's like in the writing unfortunately the third graders kind of chunked it on this. I think like with all due respect to Mr. King and star or whoever else was involved, but like, I feel like it was pure, like, I don't know,

like breaking every rules of pilot logical, like I'm a, I'm a, this person, I'm a that, that, that, and that,

you know, like just giving you such not, it's not exposition, but like, well, I think that what. You know, like just giving you such, not exposition, but like. Well, I think that what you're responding to is the fact that like, the character's identity just kind of gets stated in this way where it feels like, is that easy? It never gets shown.

It never gets. I'm willing to forgive it only because it happens in the context of an opening line on a podcast and that is sort of the way that a lot of podcasts like that work of course it's it's i think it's gonna bother us more than it's gonna bother anyone else i don't know i don't know i'm hearing some people say people are seem to be split on it people are are like, I love Che as a character, and I'm like, why are they giving weed to teenagers at funerals?

You know? I think that they for sure are, it's too far in terms of like, I mean, pretty much across the board, the first two episodes went a little too far in every direction. But this is what I'm saying. I fear that it will continue to go at the same pace

in these upcoming episodes. I get it. And I also don't, I can't quite put my finger on what they're doing with Miranda and Che. Do you think it's queer love story? I don't know. It's maybe, I don't know.

What did Steve ever do to deserve that? I'll be so pissed off. This is what I'm saying. Gun to your head. Che and Steve come up to you and say, one of us will breed you every night. I already know the answer. Only one is

going to be said. I know who I'm going home with, but Miranda, she might make a different choice. It's not about what I would do. It's about what Miranda would do. And unfortunately, I don't buy that from miranda like if we're taking miranda in a queer direction just because she's played by cynthia nixon in 2021 i just i don't know i don't buy it i i think miranda like she fucks guys i don't know miranda like miranda was kind of like i I don't know. I don't think Miranda needs to be queer.

There, I said it. I don't need that storyline. I don't really want it. I don't think that Steve deserves that. I don't think it's worth her shaking up her family structure. And I don't believe it. And if we're going to do it to make a point and explore a queer storyline, I'm not about it.

Period. Here's what it is for me. If they want to preserve this ethos in sex in the city that it's about these cishet white women and like the what it meant in the 90s and what it means now there's something like i don't know like let's there's something to like maintain in that, right? Like don't change the variables around too much. Or even if one changes and that kind of like domino effects out for me where I'm like, well, then I can't really, then I can't really, you know, I don't know what to think of the show anymore. Because am I supposed to sympathize with Miranda?

Like beyond just liking her as a character over the years and being invested in her? Am I supposed to be like, well, I guess she's been, you know, further oppressed in her womanhood by being, like, in the closet her whole life. Like, I don't, like, if they're going to, like, pair each of them up with a magical colored person, I'm like, let's not, like, upend, let's not compromise that, dynamic in any way am i making sense you are absolutely i mean i i just i don't know if miranda were queer then i then i start to question like i'm i'm of the mind that this is a fantasy that this whole show has always been fantastical yeah and if i like if if any of these characters gets like a shade drawn, just a shade lightly cross-hatched in, I'm like, no, this ruins that. I hate to say this word, but there's a purity there in terms of like, oh, I don't take these women seriously because, I don't know, I just don't take them seriously. I either aspire to be somewhat like them or I just laugh at how they behave. Yeah.

I think that like the only person and even like this is different now. But the only aspirational character was Carrie. But I also think that has so much to do with Sarah Jessica Parker. Oh, we were talking about this. Like what a fucking noxious character on the page. Yeah. It's SJP who fucking makes you fall in love. There are some shots of SJP in these episodes where I'm just like, my God.

It's crazy. Thank you so much for being on screen. Thank you. Thank you. She is a star. She is an absolute capital S star and such a good actor. So good. So much of the reason why I will be ride or die with these characters is because of Sarah Jessica Parker and Cynthia Nixon.

Oh, my God. Make everything at least seem like it's working or work. Seriously. I love everyone involved on this show. Can we just say that? I would die for anyone who was on the call sheet front, back, page two. 100% queen. Queen.

Thank you so much. This is the takeaway. We're kind of like fucking spewing bile left and right. 100%. Being stupid, snarky faggots. Being like, hey, what do you say to that? Snarky faggots. Snarky faggots.

Maybe that's the title of that. Maybe snarky faggots is the title of that. Snarky faggots. Maybe. Honestly, that is, if they were doing like a satire of this podcast, they would call it snarky faggots like if they had to write like if they had like drag last if there was like an adam mckay don't look up about yeah it would be called snarky faggots do we change the name of the podcast going forward snarky faggots i love that ep of Darcy the second Darcy episode of snarky

when she was on snarky faggots sorry sorry sorry sorry snarky faggots I just want to say that for all the snarky faggotry that we do here about a show like Indus like that that everyone you know is having fun

like talking about it's the new morning show for sure And just like that, that everyone, you know, is having fun, like talking about. It's the new, it's the new morning show for sure. In terms of the cultural conversation that takes up because the morning show was a huge cultural conversation. Absolutely. But we love every single person involved. I will be at their, like birthday wedding funeral like this is my even like young brady who's now fucking and by the way the scene where the when the episode opened on brady fucking shit out of his girlfriend in the next room from uh miranda and steve i was

like wow now i guess that's what we've stooped to. In order to get sex and sex in the city, we have to watch 17-year-olds fucking each other. I'm not going to yank it to that. Girl, it's never going to, I'm never going to yank it to Brady. I'm just not. Give me Bobby Cannavale. Hun, I would love that.

Fucking Kim Cattrall from the ear, in the ear. I miss Samantha. I miss Samantha the ear. I miss Samantha. I miss Samantha so much. I miss Samantha so much. It sucks. I fucking hate it. I hate that she's not there.

I can't even, like, obviously Kim Cattrall, she should do whatever she needs to do. We support. Whatever she wants to do. But I miss Samantha.

I really do. And you and I said this, our dumb wishful naive little asses for thinking we each separately thought this on our own

in watching these first two episodes well it would be really special if Kim Cattrall showed up in the end if she just came back I would

sob I would sob my dream Bowen is the last scene of the last episode of this season is just

you hear this word Carrie's out on the street looking stunning at night and you just hear this voice say Carrie and she turns around or actually it would be more like this Carrie

and she turns around. Or actually, it'd be more like this. Carrie. And she turns around and you see Samantha standing there on the street. I'm crying. Like, holding her clutch, like, in a white coat. Like, and Carrie Bradshaw just, she runs over. And they don't even have to have a conversation about, like, why they haven't been friends or why they've been estranged she runs over and they embrace and wordlessly we know it's okay like because i hate that she's not there wouldn't it just be so beautiful that it's that it starts with a loss and then it ends with like the the the most beautiful like reunion this most beautiful like reunion, this most beautiful gain.

I just don't believe the reason why she's not there. It's not good enough. Like they had a fight because Carrie Lettigre was her publicist in a completely understandable fashion.

And Samantha went to another country and never speaks to them again. Are you fucking kidding me? This is a woman who would die for her friends, you said. She fed her soup in the bed when she went,

like, are you kidding me? Like, this is not good enough. Right. I was gonna pitch that she says Carrie, and then Carrie turns, and it's Samantha with a perfect bowl of soup. Spoon out. Going like that, like the way she did

in the movie. Especially, I mean, you know what? Can we talk about the soup moment? Yeah. I'm sure we've talked about the soup moment yeah i'm sure we've talked about the soup moment anytime we've talked about her she fed her mama no i she fed her mama but i'm saying like kim cattrall that is the acting impact that this woman has it's kim cattrall like i it's burned into my brain just the motion of her wordlessly, like holding out the soup and then like pushing the spoon forward and smiling at her, at Carrie, because she had all the love in the world for her. I think that is just a two second silent, wordless moment of the most beautiful moment of friendship captured on film is that moment. Two seconds of nothing, Of just a soup spoon.

Gorgeous! I could cry. Kim Cattrall as Samantha Jones on Sex and the City is one of the most important comedic performances of all time. In television history. It is formative. We're being completely serious.

There's not a world I want to live in where this isn't something everyone believes you have to give it up for kim cattrall samantha jones because on the page when you have no template for who samantha is and you walk in and you create that character you're a genius actually and it is in watching and Just Like That unfortunately while I'm enjoying it, you do realize like, well, it's just not Sex and the City without Samantha. It's not Sex and the City without Samantha.

And it's good that they don't call it that for many reasons. Well, any parting thoughts before on Sex and the City, on In Just Like That? Well, on In Just Like That? No, I'm excited. I'm ready. I'm ready to go. And I won't miss big. I'll tell you that.

I don't want to see Aiden's ass again either. Let's put her with someone new. The hot engineer. Burger comes back, I hear. What? Burger comes back.

Honestly, I'm interested to see how he's developed. Me too. Me too. I'm interested to see how he's developed and I'm actually,

I'm willing for that. I'm willing to get to a place where that's endgame. I think they are going how he's developed. And I'm actually, I'm willing for that. I'm willing to get to a place where that's endgame. I think they are going to really surprise us. I think the third graders have a lot rolled up their sleeves. In a smart, I'm saying in a smart way, they will make Berger a very interesting character. Now, do you have any parting thoughts on Endress like that?

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Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I felt too seen. Dragged. me, you won't want to miss this one. I felt too seen. Um, dragged. I'm NK and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health

is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you and it will call you a basket case listen to basket case every tuesday on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. You did see West Side Story. Do you want to glow in praise? Oh my God. I mean, I just loved it.

And let's give big ups to Tony Kushner. Tony Kushner. For writing a beautiful little monologue, the scene for Mr. Corey Stoll. Yes. You heard it here first. Yes. Tony Kushner is good.

For Corey Stoll to deliver a little monologue at the beginning of this widely beloved movie, bold move to give like pure exposition basically, but only just enough about the about what's happened why there's this why there's this turf war between these two gangs I really loved that as a way to just like

level set the whole thing because you know what you're going to get when you go to see West Side Story right? Right. I was not expecting that scene is that you know I find that first scene very interesting you know i think that it fills in this is i guess the thing is like it does fill in gaps in a way where you almost feel watching it when they do a little bit more or fill in a

little bit more than the original did like do we do we need to do this? Are we messing with a classic? But I think that everything they added improved the storytelling. I really loved, I'm not the only one who loved that cloister date between Tony and Maria. I liked that too. This is the perfect, because in the original, oh, I should know this, but like, One Hand, One Heart was somewhat nondescript,

I want to say. I just really loved that, like, they took advantage of the fact that this is a film that is set in the in you know new york in the 50s and yeah where would they go let's ask the question again where would they go and like like they take the train they i love that scene on the train so so sweet and like you got to see because like part of the tragedy of you know west side story and romeo Juliet, I guess, is that you don't really see, you know, the lovers like outside of this environment where like, you know, violence is happening all around them or like, you know, animosity is just in the air. I kind of like that they broke that a little bit away from the source materials where like you got got to see tony and marie on like a date yeah i i completely agree with you that in 2021 star-crossed lovers is hard to sell like so hard

to oh my god and so you do need to see chemistry play out you know what i mean this is the thing too is it's like romantic comedies and not and love stories need to not forget. We need to see the love. We need to see the chemistry. Like those cute little scenes, I'll bring one up and bring it on when they're brushing their teeth. Truth brushing scene, classic. You need that scene.

And like all love stories need that. So that's a random example, but I think it's a good example. And so to see them just on the train the way the scene was directed the way the acting was playing out i was like yeah i get that there's chemistry here and i understand why they're doing this state together and why they want to be together even if like even if it felt extra it's better for the story yes Loved, you know, Rita Moreno is basically the new doc. What did you think about the last scene with her

after Anita's assault? So, so, so beautiful. And my fucked up and probably incorrect take on the somewhere of it all is that it was so powerful. It's such a different thing for her to sing. I just got chills thinking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I really still part of like the dumb originalist in me is like,

I do want to see Tony Maria sing that still. So like kind of give like an extra like, like, I don't know, split the song in half and have like Valentina sing the first half and then or maybe Tony Maria sing the first half and then or maybe Tony Maria sing the first half and then have the power really like a reprise of it would be cute but maybe I mean Spielberg and Kushner like knew what they were doing when they like gave that song to her here's what I think they were saying when when they changed that moment I think that they were saying they're not in any way trying to like replace the original it's just like no no no it's just its own living

breathing thing and i almost think it's a comment on the original and lets this particular iteration have that moment which i do think is powerful for her to sing that song when she sings it yeah yeah i mean not a crier at films you know know this. Did you cry? Sobbed. Sobbed. What was the first thing that got you? Well, it was the last thing. Yeah. It was the whole, it was the last Maria monologue where she takes the gun.

And... It's so powerful. It's just so... But she was... I can kill now because I hate now. Oh, the way... That is so... That is so that is so it really

sits in you for that to be the last emotion oof I just I really loved it and

Maria Maria I just met a star named Rachel mmm fantastic you actually have to be so fucking talented you have to have you have such such immense talent to be able to talented. You have to have such immense talent

to be able to do that and make it look that effortless. Yeah, she made it so... Like, I had no second thoughts about who this person was and why she was playing this part. Which, like, I don't know. Does that ever happen? I just was like, this is really special. And Ansel was a great Tony,

I thought. The actor who played Riff was fantastic. Fantastic. Bernardo was, we had a great Bernardo. Ariana was fantastic. Oh, she was so good.

I'm disappointed to hear how badly it's doing. It is? Oh my God. Unfortunately, it's like sort of bombing. It only made $10 million in its first week

oh no and um and or i don't it's just not doing well which sucks and i just really want to like implore people to go out there and also who knows maybe like in actually during the christmas time like more people will get out there and i get that people are nervous still because who the fuck knows what Omicron really is like or COVID is still. And I think, unfortunately, a large audience for this is probably going to be older because of the nostalgia factor. And maybe they're just a little bit nervous about theaters right now. But I just really hope that good movies start doing well again. Because it is getting a little dire, to be honest with you.

It feels like the only things making any money are like Ghostbusters 9. You know what I mean? Like it's sort of getting to that point where you have to feel a little nervous about the ways that certain movies are playing. And I don't know. I just, I've loved going back to the theater.

It's something I really miss. Like we were talking, Dave and I were saying the other night, like remember when we were little, you'd go to see like the Grinch or like Monsters, Inc. And the theaters were like packed. Yeah. Miss that end.

I miss that end so much. And like, honestly, heartbreak feels, for some reason, heartbreak feels okay. Heartbreak feels okay heartbreak feels okay what is the what are the lines wait okay we're talking about

the most iconic thing right now in culture that's playing out is Nicole Kidman being in the AMC theater heartbreak feels good in a place like this I'm sorry

somehow heartbreak feels good in a place like this I mean it's an iconic thing people were applauding at the end of it

it speaks to how iconic movies are. It meets the occasion for what it's trying to do. Nicole Kidman does her job extremely well when it comes to convincing us how magical movies can be. When the job is convince people how magical the movies can be, there's no one you should hire but Nicole. Nicole is a savant. Yes.

Of an actor. And she will find a way to make all these lines absolutely sing. And she's giving it to you in AMC theaters. And you can't get that from a streamer. You just can't. All right, here we go. Okay. This is Nicole Kidman's AMC speech for everyone that doesn't know.

We come to this place for magic. We come to AMC theaters to laugh, to cry, and to care. Because we need that, all of us. The indescribable feeling we get when the lights begin to dim. And we go somewhere we've never been before. Not just entertained, but somehow reborn. Together. Dazzling images on a huge silver screen.

Sound that I can feel. Somehow a heartbreak feels good in a place like this our heroes feel like the best parts of us and stories feel perfect and powerful because here they are amc theaters we make movies better i cannot do an australian accent especially not a wispy little Americanized version like Nicole does. She has her own little beautiful amalgam. I mean, as for someone being born there, it's truly shameful that I can't.

Let's see. There was the Golden Globe nominations that came out today and Critics' Choice. Do we care at all? Did anything get shaken up at all at all i i didn't i didn't it's not that i don't care i just didn't pay attention which i guess me it says at all i can tell you it's a lot more of the same but i will say some some good things are happening like we might see kirsten dunst finally get a goddamn oscar nomination i need to watch i need to see

power of the dog i need to see it too i will sit it. It'll be a nice movie to watch when I'm not busy with work. Can I quickly just talk about Succession? Oh my god, yes! I know we are split between the two of us. I want you to go off. But I'm just saying like... Of Jeremy Strong? No, no, no, no, no.

Of just the show in general. I know you do not enjoy it or have not watched it. Who cares about me? Who cares about me? It's fine. I do. Don't. No. Do less, mama. You're asking me to do something I don't want to do. So I... Care less.

Care less about me. Care less about me. I just think like the beauty of the show is that for most of the season absolutely nothing happens like this is this is how the show has been structured for all three seasons to my mind it's that nothing changes in like the nine episodes or eight episodes leading up to the finale and then the finale shit goes crazy and then you almost want it to deliver on the promise of what the prior finale does or sets up.

And then the farcical thing is nothing has changed. It all goes back to the same model of Logan has control. One of the children wants it. One of the children wants to get it from him. Shiv is being like the smart one who has it together. Roman's being the impish trickster. Jeremy, you know, Kendall is being like the self-destructive time bomb, but like all of it is upended in this finale and it's set up in the most genius ways. And I really fucking got chills. Like I was watching it and felt to myself,

and I'm sure you feel this way when you watch things, Matt, is that I'm like, this is such an important scene in television. I'm just, I watched these scenes. There's just, there's a scene where they like, where is such an important scene in television. I'm just, I watch these scenes. There's a scene where they like, where the two siblings, Shiv and Rome,

have to like listen to like, have to watch their older brother, the favorite to get the company, like break down and like confess to all these horrible things he's done. And it's just shot in the most beautiful way, like in rural Italy. And I just watched it and it was not on any drugs or anything. I was just like, this is such a powerful scene.

And then the last scene where like stuff happens, like it's truly like it feels magical. Like there's magic coming out of the screen. I'm like, wow, this is, I didn't realize TV could be like written like this, that it could be performed like this. I just, I just thought it was fantastic. I just, I kind of had my misgivings about the season and I was like, this isn't as good as season two. Like you needed a, you needed a Holly Hunter. You needed an episode or two with Cherry Jones in it. But like this season didn't really have that, but ooh, it, all of it like pays, all the boring stuff like pays off in the biggest way and

you need to you would fucking die for i'm certain that i would and i trust me like it's not that i it's not that i haven't enjoyed the show it's just that with so much to watch i just prefer like i don't know i because i know it's a show that i really have to sit down and absorb and i have limited time to do that and so it is a sit especially for it just takes a little bit longer for me to get off the ground with something like that but what i have seen i do enjoy and i think it's really smart of the show to remind everyone of the actual power player which is logan and i think that like it's really smart for the show to make the stakes that now all the

characters know the only person really standing in the way of them and taking over is him. Like it's, it's just very solidified. That's what it always, that's what it always resets to them. Right. Like Aaron,

Aaron Jackson was saying this like brilliantly. He was like, the show is half of it is shakes. The show is all Shakespeare on TV. half of it is shakes the show is all shakespeare on tv half of it is like macbeth the other half is like midsummer night's dream or like you know like the merchant of venice or whatever it's like it's half of its tragedy half of its comedy but they're both shakespeare in the ways that like they're executed and i i think i agree with that and of course it's hyperbolic just like compared to shakespeare but like i think that of course it's hyperbolic compared to Shakespeare,

but like, I think that's what it's like trying to like strike the balance of. And it's like a dramedy in the truest way. Yeah. In the truest sense.

And I think that's what's exciting about what they did is like in Shakespeare, once you realize who like the king is, like the king gets killed. And so like, I think that's where it's heading

is like they're going to start. I think it's going to be fun to see it get truly dark. Yeah. By the time season four comes out, I feel like you don't worry,

I'll be there. And I also like maybe even very soon I'll have watched. I also think did you ever watch Peep Show? I should watch Peep Show. It's the same.

It's the same people. It's the same guy who did Peep Show. But anyway, the thing, did you see what's what's been going on online too about the Jeremy Strong of it all like Jessica chastain and anne hathaway and all these

people coming to his defense i'm kind of like you guys like you should have just let this blow over because people will then seconds later be talking about how incredible he is in the succession finale people will move on from this narrative i don't know why all these actors that worked with him felt the need like they needed to go out and like, be like, no, no, no.

That's a one-sided profile. He's incredible. It's like, what, how, how dark is his reality that he needs this from you guys? That's number one. Number two,

it's like, we all know, we all understand that actors are annoying. Like this. Yeah, like, it's fine. It's not, and the fact is, like, that just shows how seriously they take themselves, too, I think. It's just, like, very revealing.

So then on that end, it's like, well, then you got, like, a profile about an annoying person. People point out, laugh at how annoying the person is. Then you have other annoying people come out and say, like, hey, he's actually not annoying like it's like it's too much all that is annoying it's annoying y'all and i say this as an annoying person about it two weeks in a row i say this as an annoying person i'm like you guys consider shutting the fuck up,

dusting your shelves or something. Like there's other stuff to do. For absolute sure. Because also, it's true. They're all wacko. We know all actors are wacko. You don't need to like, it's not that big of a fuck. It's just not that deep.

And let us just enjoy his performance now. I mean, like, he's unreal. he's so good look if he's gonna if he's gonna be that crazy at least you're getting it on screen oh my god him breaking down in this last episode was some of the best acting i've seen in years the emmy is one the emmy is one i um i just think i i love her to death but like the the moment it like fully was like oh this is crazy to me was seeing this whole anne hathaway post about him on instagram it was like after the jessica chastain thing i mean right i'm saying why are we why are we like and like literally she says he's actually like something to be effective he's actually really fun and I'm like stop you are not helping either of

you it's whatever but yeah I mean I will watch it because if someone's gonna um this is the culture of a performance and my sister talk about it in this way I am not gonna be left out in the damn cold no shivering

like a like a babe babe this is what I am not going to be left out in the damn cold. No. Shivering like a babe. Babe, this is what I have to say to you. You got to stick it out until you get to Holly Hunter, until you get to Rhea. I can't wait. Rhea. And then you're set, you're coasting for the rest of season two into three. Three is going to start, you're going to be like,

oh, this is going to be good. It's going to dip a little. It's going to get a little boring again. But then Mr. Skarsgård, Alexander Skarsgård comes back in and then it gets interesting. And then the finale is It's No, it's

The finale was the most Groo thing all year to me. It was absolutely that oh my god hundred period hundred period

period it's like this in quotes hundred period says the snarky faggots oh my god

so 2021 look your arms look big stop you went like this to put your your Bowen is rocking some guns y'all

I don't want this having sex he's been having sex it's okay liar I know you've been rolling in the bed I know you've been rolling in the bed what about you honey

perchance I had the company of a gentleman just the other night. Perchance. Perchance to drink. Perchance to drink. Maybe I rolled in the sheets. Got a phallic. Maybe I endeavored with my body. Okay.

Maybe I set the bar sexually in the bedroom okay maybe i took a lover maybe i thrived connecting with someone of a sexual nature maybe i looked into someone's eyes as we entered each other. Oh! Made love to them. You looked in their eyes when you entered each other. I can't see the... I can't make eye contact during 69.

Flip fucking love. Love making. Flip fuck love making. They only entered each... Oh, I was only... I was thinking that in terms of you guys entering each other

at the same time, which is possible. That would be absolutely thrilling. You pick two. You enter each other. Sounds good. It's at the same time you make eye contact.

You can't do all three. That's what sucks about being gay. You can't enter each other. You can't do it all. You can't do it all. You know what's hard? Hug your mommy. You know what's rough about being gay? This is crazy voice.

You can't make eye contact. You can't make eye contact and enter each other. And, you know, you know, I fucked vaginally. If you're a gay man with dicks. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back.

I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy.

We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo, or stream it on City TV+. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.

He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I

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Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I felt too seen. Um, dragged. I'm NK and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big, sudden swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens

when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you. And it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts now

let's move on and talk about Salt Lake City do we want to do a Salt Lake City update Salt Lake City and then I don't think so honey and also I want to say the finale of Survivor is this week which I can't fucking believe that it's the finale I can't believe I need to catch up I didn't watch last week's episode but I will prediction prediction

I'm rooting for our guy, Ricard. Ricard, baby. Come on, come through. Okay, Salt Lake. Salt Lake. I mean, a fine episode. I still, nothing's really changed for me. I did think that Lisa

had one of my favorite quotes in a long time, which is, I'm not going to do the impression, but she says, you know, Heather and Whitney probably count Lisa Barlow's in their sleep. They go one Lisa Barlow probably count Lisa Barlow's in their sleep. They go one Lisa Barlow, two Lisa Barlow.

And I'm just imagining many, an army, a line of Lisa Barlow's jumping across the fence, hopping across the fence on a, on a beautiful green Hill. I'm obsessed. Also, I can't believe Whitney put her whole savings into the rebrand. But she'll make it work. But she's going to make it work. Because if I believe in one North Star, it's Whitney Rose.

All I thought about when I saw her on my screen was, go off. Go off. I support her all the way. She will never, never not, she will never disappoint me. And the way that she said at the end of the episode if I'm gonna take Mary down I need support I love

it I think Whitney is we would be honored to have Whitney in the universe of lost culture the conversation has begun I'm obsessed with the breakdown of Meredith andisa's friendship beginning like meredith really reading her voice there like i like that at all or whatever she said

like it was just it's really heading in the right direction what did you think of jen being like well first of all maintaining the lie when she said that she they they they had her son at gunpoint, my heart really did break. Because I was like, this is very real, is the fact that that footage that they showed of the ring camp, that really bothered me. Yeah, really sad. Because honestly, we see shit like that go wrong all the time.

And post everything that's gone on in the past few years with police brutality, like if your heart doesn't go out to someone whose kid had a situation with the police like that, like a young black man, like who has a situation like that with the police. I don't know. Like Jen is a violent person, I think.

And she is like likely like going to prison. But my heart did go out to her there because she probably also felt responsible for it because she is sure sure she because she is yeah um uh i mean it looks like the rest of the episodes of this season are going to be as barn burners bangers so that's that's all um this this was like a decent episode nothing really really happened. I mean, it's setting up the stage. What did you think of Jenny's daughter who's like a 43-year-old woman? It's fine. Cute.

Cute, precocious little girl. Love it. We love to see it. Like the way that she laughs and has opinions about food, she really is like an old woman. Yeah. Well, I think it's time for

I Don't Think So, Honey. I think this is a fabulous time for I Don't Think So, Honey. I think this is a fabulous time. Do you have something? I do. Okay. This is beautiful, what I love to hear. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. His time starts now.

I Don't Think So, Honey. I try to make a big purchase and Chase shuts it all down. Oh, girl. Just let me use my damn card, please. She's rich. don't worry send me a text that's like is it you i'll say yes but don't make all the cards not work like i'll be in a place and like it'll be like one two three cards all don't work and it's all chase and it's because like suspicious activity i'm going around to different cities right now. I'm a little bit of a traveler.

Just send me a text and confirm it to me. Don't just, like, make the card. Don't just decline the card, please. Then I have to struggle with my girl. I don't think so, honey, that I have to hang out with my girl at the counter for that long. And she watches me, like, struggle bus. 15 seconds. Please help.

Chase, you are the bank. And I want to go to the bank and get access to my dollars. Please. I want to buy this little jacket. I want to buy this gift. I want to buy this. I don't think so.

And that's what it meant. Girl, you got to call them up and say, I don't want to get on the phone with them. I don't think there's any reason for me to ever talk to my bank. That's just the position I take. That's how I was raised. That's not quite helpful.

Like eventually when you buy a house or something, you want to be able to know how to talk to your bank. I don't know. It's not a relationship I think is healthy for me. Okay. That's a respect. I respect that. Thank you for at least respecting me,

even if you can't agree. Because when we come on this podcast and debate cultural topics, I don't ask that you agree with everything I say but when i really don't i just want you to respect me and have a little bit of respect that's literally all i ever asked okay and i hope that's all i ever give you on my honor good i would hate to have to come over there and smack you around. That's right. I'm looking for my clock.

That's why I'm stalling with this. Okay. This is, I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

The full way of this Peloton thing fucking played out. So in the end, it was like product placement. It was like a fucking partnership deal. Like the fucking ad that came out today on Monday of Chris Noth and Jess King, iconic instructor Jess King, you know, doing some, you know, little cute double entendre thing by the fire. Oh, let's hop back on. You want to do it again? Oh, I'm feeling great. And then you have Ryan Reynolds coming in with a little cute voice over. 30 seconds. I love everyone involved. I just hate that we were all basically fooled into thinking that this was a completely,

like everyone was caught by surprise, including Peloton. That feels so campy to me. But now the fact that this was a long walk to a commercial all along makes me sick. Make me sick. Want to vomit the bile out of my stomach. I think this, we all got duped and it actually is no longer fun. I actually have less respect for the move of killing big on Peloton than I used to. That's one minute. I have to tell you that for that, for them to be like, we have to fit in Peloton. We have to say it so many times i have big die on it but but but

girl in the end that's not what it was like i think like peloton was eventually made aware before like they made it seem like this past weekend that they were they they saw it for the first time along with the rest of us they didn't no way they knew it was coming and then they shot this fucking commercial weeks in advance too like it did not all come together and like there was no way they could have shot that and executed that in the in the days that the show had been out there's no way you're right there's no way you're so

right it was so like it was all it was scam I'm saying like we all like were kind of lied to that's the big lie we were force fed Peloton yes. So anyway, Allegra was iconic. I loved when she said, celebrate yourself!

Jess King doing a lightly Spanish accent. Not a lightly Spanish. Just doing a Spanish accent. We'll go ahead and say yes to that one. We're gonna accept. We're gonna accept. Wow. What a thrilling, snarky, faggy episode this was

you know we definitely came up with our faggy snarky opinions this time right I think I thought we brought the snark and we brought the fag a tree to like sort of repellent snarky disgusting motor mouth

noxious gaze drug users and they're gay too they're so disgusting motor mouth, noxious gaze, going off. Drug users. And they're gay, too. And they're gay drug users. They're so gross talking about cum. One of them's white. One of them's Asian. Asian.

I don't know. Chinese, if I had to guess. Ugh. Disgusting. First thought, if I go, first thought, Chinese, I guess. Are they cute? I mean, maybe.

They're interesting. They're interesting looking. One of them, like their hands are both kind of weird. I really think I have weird hands. You have beautiful hands. No, Bowen, look at my hand right now. No, they're beautiful. Your hand is so beautiful. Can I say something though? Hands, and this is not just a high spank to say. I'm a hands

person. No, no, no. This is what I'm going to say. If you look at fingers and hands for too long, it's like that thing of when you look at a word too long and it becomes like a weird word. Hands and fingers are so, look at me, look at what I'm doing right now. The way I'm shaking my fingers. We need to put this part on the internet. Hands are so... Hands are real. Yeah, like... Look at the way they move the fingers.

It looks like a little... I'm looking at my hand and it looks like a logo for something. Like it shouldn't belong on my body. It's like too like... Ew, there's like four long things and then one short one on the side. Like who decided that? Since when did you have that Peloton tattoo across your palm? What?

Oh, the logo. No, I'm saying, but the design, the outline of my hand looks like it doesn't belong on a human body. I'm telling you, that's when you really realize that we're all aliens, is when you look at our fingers. And that's all I have to say about that. Readers, we hope you have a great holiday season, a great new year.

We're wishing you all the best tidings. Yes, tidings. Wow. Thank you. Honestly, to end on a really earnest note, thank you for listening to us all year. Yes, thank you. We love you.

I forgot this was the last one of the year. God bless. This was kind of a doozy of a year and thank you for sticking with us there was that serotonin deficit era thank you for being along with us for all the seasons

and I mean this in the seasons of the show in terms of the seasons of our lives beautiful words I think if you go back and listen not that you would of the show in terms of the seasons of our lives. Like, beautiful words. We, I think, you know, if you go back and listen,

not that you would or that you would be interested or that would benefit you too, but I think you can really track our emotional journeys this year. And I think the best is yet to come. The best is yet to come. I think next year

the best is yet to come. The best is yet to come. Well, we love you so much, readers. Have a happy new year and we always close out with a song.

For all acquaintance be forgot and live the true life. For all acquaintance be forgot and live the legs die. Bye. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football.

Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out Jules new episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to dudes on dudes on the I heart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

On Thanksgiving day, 1999, five year old Cuban boy, Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. González wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian González story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer.

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm NK, and this is Basket Case. What is wrong with me? A show about the ways that mental illness is shaped by not just biology, swaps of different meds, but by culture and society. By looking closely at the conditions that cause mental distress, I find out why so many of us are struggling to feel sane, what we can do about it, and why we should care. Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl.

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