Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Sorry, God!" (w/ Sean Hayes)

Episode Date: January 26, 2022

The girls are starstruck and shakin' in their little gay boots today because the Las Cultch guest is none other than comedic savant, genuine hero and (get this... ) WONDERFUL FRIEND Sean Hayes. The host of the truly world famous podcasts Smartless (out Mondays) and Hypochondriactor (out Wednesdays) joins Matt & Bowen to discuss Will & Grace and Q-Force, share memories of performing in Promises, Promises on Broadway, and confront the fact that the Sean Hayes Cher impression is now THEE culturally accepted Cher impression. Also, Erasure, George Michael and queer representation in all forms of media, iconic medical issues and the dragging of RHOSLC's Jennie Nguyen, one word names AND three word names. JUST CULTCH! Ya gotta listen! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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you won't want to miss this one. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, look over there. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, yeah. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. And what a happy day. A really blissful, wonderful day for the Rogers family. Can I say, in the words of Taylor, I see sparks fly whenever you smile. Et cetera. I thought you were going to sing,

Today was a fairy Tale. You know, that would have been actually more apt because today was today is the day that my sister got engaged. Bravo. Not bravo. I meant to say mazel tov. Well, you know, that actually is, that says a lot about you. That you would congratulate

a woman on an engagement. I didn't mean it. You're the patriarchy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Oh my god, you're gonna have to, like, do, um, you're gonna have to give a speech in about a year. Do you think? Of course you are! I guess you're right. Like, I, you know what's funny? I don't know how

you feel, but I'm never really, like, involved in the weddings I go to. No, neither am I. You're not involved in the wedding in any way, but, like, you're going to have to, like, if there's, like, if she's gonna do a rehearsal dinner or something, that's usually when, like, the sibling talks. Okay. You're not involved in the wedding in any way, but like you are going to have to like, if there's like, if she's going to do a rehearsal dinner or something, that's usually when like the sibling talks. Okay. You know,

like I think, I think you will be asked to say something, especially as a performer. I mean, I guess I'll have to get over my stage fright, huh? I'll have to get over that limp dick feeling I get in front of people when I have to perform. You know what I mean?

Honey, I think you're in the wrong business. Oh, mama. You go limp? Honey, I can't even pivot to only fans like this i go limp dick in front of crowds what's gonna happen when i go lip sync in front of the bottom du jour of the bottom du jour oh listen sorry god front runner up title of that sorry sorry god now listen um also wanted to say uh quick shout out to my sister

whose birthday it also is today. Happy birthday, Chelsea. And she just got a new job. So this is like a big Chelsea episode. A lot of big changes. We think this is all going in the right direction. What am I saying? I'm like, can you tell I'm out of it?

I've been working all day. I'm nervous. I am nervous. Can I say? I am nervous. But that's okay. Legend in the Zoom. Legend in the Zoom. You know how I that's okay. Legend in the Zoom. Legend in the Zoom.

You know how I get when the legend is in the Zoom. I kind of get all, I don't know, flustered. I think it's just actually like, truly, it's a moment for me whenever I'm around the guests because you can imagine like, so imagine this. You're nervous. You, Bowen Yang, imagine

this. I'm working in the writer's room at q force i know the animated series that really let's let's be real this man was the star of it okay let's be real star major creative force behind the gig so here i am it's he's really you know he's my b-o-s-s boss he's coming in i. I find out, you know, we're going to meet him. And it's the table read, babe. Okay? It's going to be the big table read. And you're reading at it.

They say to me, we haven't found the right person for this one part. You got to read the part. And you're going to sit next to Sean and read the part. So now I'm thinking, nervous. Mama, I'm shaking in my boots. I'm limp dick. He's coming in. He's going to be Sean Hayes.

I'm going to have to be Matt Rogers and then guess what happened it was successful and we struck up you're not gonna believe it a friendship sorry God I really just I've only ever loved this man and just hearing you

work with him hearing these stories you called me, but just every day you would just come to me with some wonderful anecdote about our guest. And I was like, oh, of course he's like this. Of course he's wonderful. Truly a joyful

presence and one that is undeniable. And it's been like this. Can we just say that we hashtag been new? We've been new. We hashtag been new. Can we say we hashtag been new? Yeah.

We've actually been new that our guest today was truly a comedic cultural icon. And can I say, I think perchance maybe the best physical comedian of his generation, I would say. I agree. And this moves beyond. maybe the best physical comedian of his generation, I would say. I agree. And this moves beyond, but when you go back and watch Will and Grace from the beginning, just a savant.

He would go into a squat within microseconds. Jack would every now and then demonstrate things, and within a half a second, you would see his upper body just drop to the floor somehow. Chaplin, let me say something about that. Chaplin. That fag, Chaplin.

Shaking in his grave. Twisting and turning in his grave because, you know, he was bested by our guest. Matt, what are the credits? Let me tell you about the credits. Okay, so this is sort of the new iconic next chapter, okay? It became like a pioneer of modern podcasting the smart list podcast wow with little known uh household names we should say jason

bateman and will arnett this podcast is absolutely huge bo it's a huge podcast and they're all people say that like oh matt and bo and they get on their guests level, blah, blah, blah. No, no, no. No. Not like Bateman and Hayes and Arnett. Somehow it feels like you're listening in on a conversation with the Sandra Bullock. Honey. Somehow it feels like you're listening to a conversation with, you know, the Jimmy Fallon. Heard of him? Heard of Jimmy?

Heard of her? What if we ever got Sandra Bullock on this podcast? Would we act? Shut up. We didn't announce you yet. You're not here. You're not here. Don't upset me.

I could try and figure it out. Sandy would do it. Oh my God, wait. I forgot that you know her. Okay, that's the crazy thing about the whole Bowen Yang of it all. He certainly knows these people. No, no, no. Sandy texted him.

Can I just say oh listen to me i will reveal something i did today i did adr for the upcoming film the lost city starring sandra bolek and channing tatum getting great buzz getting great buzz starring patty harrison um and i think it's gonna be a really fun movie you were saying that from the very beginning you were like i have to say, this is giving me really funny miscongeniality, early aughts, honest to God,

funny comedy, but talking about the heartstrings, vibes, hashtag. Hashtag. After. Anyway,

the answer is maybe Sandra Bullock would do it. I don't know. I mean, I do think there is this unfortunate phenomenon now where a lot of people

are like, anytime someone comes through SNL, someone's like, our guest is making some calls anytime someone comes to us and now now i i all i get are dms that are saying get katie perry on the pod what is ariana debose on the pod i'm like i think that they're busy y'all i think that they're busy campaigning for awards but um smartless oh my gosh and they're all hypochondriac hyperchondriac with dr priyanka

wally yes mom and so basically those are the big podcasts of the moment you of course know our guests from his iconic turn as as my mom said today when i told um her he was coming on the podcast oh my god just jack just like of course will iconically jack on will and grace emmy winner um awards are everything um like like i was saying my co-star like my eyes go cross-eyed on q forest loved that and in march you're never gonna believe that the man is storming the stage okay storming the stage because he's gonna be uh seen in chicago's Goodman Theater starring in Goodnight Oscar. Did you see him in Promises Promises? I did.

I saw him in Promises Promises with the one and only Kristen Chenoweth. Two legends. Okay, you know what? It's time. We've been doing this for a long time. It's time. We've been dilly-dallying and it's time. Dilly-dallying. Here we go. Please welcome Sean Head Hayes! Guys, I got a heart out in five.

Okay. No, come on. What do you want to do? Do you want to do it? Let's do the career retrospective now. What if you guys are like, this guy hasn't really done, like he's done a, like, you know him from, let's just bring him on. What if I was like, you know him from Win a Date with Tad Hamilton?

You were good in that, though. I pull that one out all the time. That's a good one. Underappreciated. So I wanted to comment so many times while you guys were talking. I couldn't hold it in. What were your big pulls? Yeah, do you remember them?

I don't remember now because they flee. Your memory's gone. It's like fame. They flee like fame. They're fleeting. They flee like flame. Well, we're like fame. They're fleeting. They flee like flame. Well, we're like fame. I'm a kiddie now.

Fame is fleeting. How do you feel about that we saw you in Promises Promises? We both separately saw you in Promises Promises. That's a good one. Okay, so Promises, that's so nice. They named it twice. So my friend, Dax Shepard. So my mom came to see that show.

Dax Shepard is involved? No, he came to see it. Oh, got it. So I'm jumping around. But my mom came to see the show when she was like in the deep throes of Alzheimer's. And so, of course, Dax Shepard came up with the most brilliant joke ever, because we don't laugh about Alzheimer's, you cry, which I've done plenty of. So this is okay, because it's my mom and I'm making fun of it for my mom and my mom would have laughed he said uh thank god it's called promises promises i loved that show but i would say i i as as brilliant as katie finneran was and i believe a tony win for that yes yeah

she won the tony yeah then i heard molly shannon joined oh come on now. Molly Shannon took over. She made me pee. She was so funny. They both were. One of the best. Yeah, I love Molly. I worked with Molly so many times. I hosted Saturday Night Live, her last show. Oh, really?

Yeah, her very last show. When she said she played Mary Catherine Gallagher, and she came out and played, she goes, she played Schools Out Forever, right? And then on the last beat, she goes, That's so. Yeah, it was great. And she lives so close to me.

I know, your neighbors. Yeah. Oh, that's lovely. And see, like that's... And now Bowen, you're part, which is so impressive, you're part of an institution impressive you're part of an institution you're part of the history of this massive institution it's so exciting i'm so excited for you i'm so proud of you i don't know you but i'm proud of you and i'm uh it must just

feel so cool thank you that's very nice i am i also remember when cast members left the show that was a different time. When the cast members actually... Back in the day when people eventually decided to hang it up. Well, we'll leave that in. We'll leave that in. Why not? My co-workers can handle that.

Oh, my God. But Promises, Promises. Yeah, I don't know. How long did that run for? How long were you there? That was a year. That was a year. That was a year. There's so many.

We could fill this whole thing with so many stories from there. But one time, Kristen, because she hadn't eaten that day, she was running around like crazy. But she did the whole show. And then we come up, we see each other backstage in the wings because we came out from opposite sides and joined in the center. And so I looked at her and I was like, that's where Kristen's not standing there. And then I looked down and like the Wicked Witch of the West legs, you know, the legs out of the house.

She passed out, passed out on the ground. Legs are sticking out underneath the curtain. And I was like, and the stage manager goes, go. And I'm like, but she's not. Go. And I went out. I was like, what? All the cast was like and the stage manager goes go and I'm like but she's not she's not go and I went out and I was like what and all the cast was like where's Kristen and finally she came out like five minutes later yeah yeah yeah there's that one there's another story where a woman

threw up in the middle of the show like the 10th row up the 10th row in and then she got escorted out came back threw up again Broadway and that's Broadway baby and she was a reviewer and that was that was my review of my performance he made me throw up twice I threw up and I threw up again there's this other guy who's who's in the show uh you may know him his name is brooks ashmanskas yes i've seen brooks ashmanskas in the prompt yeah he was the problem he stole the show in the prop he's brilliant he's a really good friend he's one of

the most incredible actors funniest people alive such a big heart he's just a great human being and uh he this is so fun I haven't told this story ever, but the, so right before the curtain goes up in the show, there was the announcement, right? To the audience, no flash photography, no recording, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and enjoy the show. And there's just a beat of silence. And when the curtain goes up, the entire cast is frozen on stage in the silhouette. and so every single night eight shows a week for a year brooks would say something in that one breath of silence to make us all laugh no flash photography blah blah and enjoy the show my asshole was bleeding

and we would all be dying. It was so fun. Wow. That sounds like camp. You know? That sounds like going to camp. Guys, it's like theater folk. We're theater folk. We just make fun.

We have fun. We love what we do. As theater folk, as show people, you know, it's really just about sticking sticks together and making a set and it's just playtime,

you know? We're in a show backstage and in front of the stage. A joy to watch and listen to. A joy to watch and listen to. Wait, so you guys have been doing this show for like five, six years for real? Yeah. How many episodes?

You know, I actually counted. Are we 250 now? Where are we? No, this is like 286. We're coming up on 300. We're coming up on 300? Well, we have to do some big thing. at 300 well we have to do some big thing well we're gonna have to do a big thing because because sean we kind of i don't know what you guys do on your podcast we kind of like to do a big thing when we have like a big episode number we kind of have to we like to like you know have like a big event you know okay so

what was what was the 200 event what was the 100 event oh well there was no 100 event was there no there was no 100 event but 200 was two summers ago and let me tell you so when you say you always do it you did it once we did it once i mean the way we did it at 200 was so manger that like i i feel like we we will have to keep the tradition going matt we did the top 200 moments in culture and we listed the top 200 moments in pop culture history. Oh, that's great. And it was a three-episode extravaganza. Six hours.

You could really say it put us on the map. They say that it was Bowen Yang's real SNL audition, even though he had been working there for well over two years. Yeah. And I must say, since you mentioned it in the thing, the Q-For that that matt matt first of all stole you stole the show q force completely truly honestly hand to god stole the show every scene every episode was the brooks that's what they were all saying yeah and while they were

in the booth they were like this guy's like brooks yeah except they except they pronounce it ash manskis yeah but um but matt and that's when i like fell in love with you because i was like who is this guy i never knew came out of nowhere for me came out of nowhere and i was just like i just think you were and are absolutely brilliant i just oh yeah you're too you're too much and this is what i'm saying it's like you know that you know here's the thing about you sean you could walk in there and be a real cunt yeah you could walk in there be a real bitch and you could sort of be marching giving marching orders you can be like i don't like this one i don't like that one you can come in with just like you know just like giving a real attitude yeah and you don't you you wake up every day and you

decide to give you decide to carry the light and thank you for that let me tell you um maybe maybe i'm being a cut in a different way but that's a secret way yeah no that's very nice i life's too short you know you have to we're here for five fucking minutes on this planet and if if the pandemic taught you anything, it's that. And you do have a choice, right? You can show up and be inclusive and joyful. Or you can be a fucking dick. Yeah.

It's also really nice to enjoy where you work. You know what I mean? You go in and it's just like the the vibes are positive and it feels like um because i honestly that is i do work better when that is the case yeah for sure everybody does we have a big sign in my office at my company who says be work hard and be nice yeah that's really simple that's it's really simple a lot of people don't understand that but you know uh growing up poor too like like so poor like shit how poor was he thank you for asking i uh i was going to do were you so the tense agreement there doesn't really match up sorry listeners sorry readers yeah sorry wait what did you say the were the tense agreements were all matt said how poor were you no i used it was the I was going to say how poor were you? It sounds a little bit

jumbled. I'm sorry. I'm sort of holding up this whole conversation. No, I... It's a great motivator to work hard and be nice. There you go. And be appreciative. How poor were you? How poor were you?

Well, one summer in... I mean one summer. One winter in Chicago, we had no heat for the whole winter. So it was fucking freezing in the house. And so you don't forget that, right? You never forget those days. No. Like the whole winter was heaterless? Pretty much, yeah.

We know hot water, had to take cold showers. Was it not illegal back then like it is now? I feel like that's... Hot water? When hot water was illegal? I feel like... I wonder how those housing laws came into effect.

I genuinely sort of... I wonder when that happened for everybody. What do you mean? It was because we couldn't pay our bills. Oh, I see. I'm so sorry. I just meant like, okay. You're all entitled to... Okay, great.

It was a dad leaving mom with five kids to raise on her own thing. That'll do it. Can I say something? I'd like to take it down. I'd like to take it down. Oh, no. We're perked up now. We're perked up.

I'm listening. Aubrey, I'm in. Now, that's how we get to know you. We need to know the trauma. We're perked up now. We're perked up. I'm listening. I'm in. Now, that's how we get to know you. We need to know the trauma. We need to know the struggle. We need to know where's he been that made him who he is. Because he didn't just wake up carrying the light. No, no, no.

He's been through shit. I took a sled in the winter, went out, shot some game, and brought it home. I'm not shooting game. Mask. Mask. You don't have to pretend with us, Sean. Okay, drop the straight act. Yeah, exactly.

Can you please for once in your goddamn life? We're not Will and Jason, okay? You don't have to like... Butch up for us. Yeah, oh my God. You should hear me. What was it? We had Adam Sandler on.

He was talking about... He was telling the funniest story about SNL and auditioning. And he was on the, I'm going to get this wrong. But it's something about he was on the phone, on the plane phone. Remember those that you can slide your credit card through and talk on the plane? And he was like, but dad, I want to be a star or something. Like talking to his dad on the plane. I go, well, that's not a conversation you can have quietly because you have to raise your voice.

So then my gay version of that was, I want to be a star on the plane. You guys all met at poker? Yeah. That's pretty straight. Yeah. Well, yeah, I don't know. I love, I love love i love game grew up with games like bored playing cards with my family all the time with no heat

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of Taping of Will and Grace. And I would always ask to order one more, and I would bring the pizza over to the poker night. We'd just laugh and have a good time. Do you guys play poker? Do you like it? There was a time when I really... In high school, my friends and I, these were, I'm going to

rock your world here, straight male friends. We got really into poker and for a minute there, I got pretty good at it, but I have a naturally horrible poker face. Show it to us. Here's me when I have a good hand. Oh, wide-eyed and excited.

Yeah. Peering around. I sort of look, I sort of like say under my breath. I mean, do people say anything about like there being any correlation between like being a good actor and having a good poker face? I feel like people probably, that's a very first thought,

the lazy thought to have, but there's no way that can be true. Yeah, I never had that in acting class. We never played poker in acting class we never played acting class do you wish you did here's the thing it's like yes yeah as an actor you're expressive right and so you feel a lot so i don't know about you actors this is now a round table and it is award season so it's great that we got the gals together this is hollywood actress round table hollywood reporter yeah we have three girls in the running here today to talk about how poker face and acting is two different things and i i want to say that if

they did ask that question it would be one much better question than they do ask because if you ever watch those hollywood reporters roundtables it's always like so when did you guys decide that you wanted to be an actor and it's like jesus Jesus Christ. Or it'll be like, when was the last time you experienced a Me Too? Like, they don't even phrase it right. They don't, like, they phrase it in the crude. Like, it'll be literally like when you experienced, like, what's the most racist thing someone said to you? And it'll be like a table full of people of color.

Right, and they just go for it. It's like, can you remember a time when you felt like maybe you doubted yourself? It's like, can you remember a time when you felt like maybe you doubted yourself? It's like, yeah, idiot. Anyway,

they're bad. They're bad questions. I'm so happy the three of us could gather to discuss. I love that. Wait, what about,

what about, first of all, I have so many thoughts running through my head. First of all, Bowen, you're so good on the show. You're so good on Saturday Night Live.

Thank you. And you make me, you make're so good on Saturday Night Live. Thank you. And you make me and my husband laugh out loud. Scotty. Scotty. Scotty. A talent. Yeah, he's also talented, Scotty. And do you...

Wait, what was I going to ask you? What did I want to ask you about Saturday Night Live? Do I remember your sketch where Will comes in with the tiny cell phone? Yeah, we remember it, okay? No. Shoot, it'll come back to me. I wanted to add something about that.

I remember when I was younger and I watched that sketch with you and the tiny cell phone. I assumed you were part of the cast, I think. At the time, I was just like, oh yeah, SNL cast member. Was that anything that was ever on your radar? Did you ever audition for them? No, but I wanted to do some insane thing where after will and grace was over the first time and i wanted i told my agent i was like i think i'm gonna go on center net live or at least audition for it if it's possible and the whole agency was like no no you're not doing that like that would have been so rad and

fun to just go from that to that. What did they used to call it? They don't really say this anymore, but it was like the not ready for primetime players. That's what they would say about them. It's like, okay, this gentleman has done primetime to great success, but he's going back to that $3,000 an episode salary. But you would have been great.

You did Second City, right? Yeah, I was at Second City in Chicago. I never performed on the main stage, but I went to all the training programs and did all those little shows within there. But yeah, I always admired all the people's journey from either the Groundlings or Second City or IO in Chicago or, you know, ImprovOlympic or whatever.

Isn't there another one? Oh, yeah, UCB. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, how did you, Bowen, there another one? Oh yeah. UCB. Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, how did you go on? I'm always fascinated by that journey. I was,

I was kind of like you. Um, I was taking classes, but I never got into like the actual like theater sanctioned groups that performed there. Matt did. Matt was on a sketch team, but I just took the classes.

I paid a lot of money to not be actually in the system, but I was just like, well, at least I have the training. And then Matt and I would do sketch comedy together. And I don't know, my managers just told me to put in a tape one time, one year. And I was just like, this is such a long shot. So I'm just going to like have fun with it. Like do things that like I knew that would never make it on the show. And somehow it kept clearing every stage gate.

I was like, oh, this is actually, like, I never in a million years thought it would happen. Yeah. So I think that was probably helpful. I don't know.

And then there was, and then, you know, Matt, I don't know if, are you okay with me bringing this up? Bring it up. Mention it all. Mention it all.

So then Matt, one year, after I was put on a holding deal for like a whole year, Matt got invited to audition as well. So both of us went in the same day to 8-H. Yeah. I that story yeah yeah yeah i might have told you about

it yeah i'd we i screen bowen screen tested four times i screen tested twice and they had us on holds for six months yeah both of you guys friends at the it's so wow what a story i know it's one day one day it'll all get fleshed out in something we do because it really is a crazy story. My favorite story about it, my favorite short story about it is that they put us in the same dressing room the second time we were screen testing.

And I think they thought like, oh yeah, Matt and Bo in their salad dressing room, they'll love to be together this day. But it's like a really high stakes dance. You want to be by yourself. You want to be by yourself. You want to be by yourself. Like I love my sister. Like Simon Cowell says an American idol,

you guys aren't really friends because you're competing against each other. Well, yeah, I mean, and Simon was there. That's another thing that SNL does now. They send Simon into every room. I heard,

I heard. Yeah. And he sort of says, he says, you're dreadful. You know, he does his whole Simon. He says,

you're dreadful. And it's the real Simon Cowell. It's not even Daryl hammond matt was that one of your audition like impressions yeah that's that's what they missed out on i close my eyes it's like i'm talking to simon but they basically were there we're there like it's our they have our second screen test we've been on hold for months you're not allowed to do anything else while you're on hold and we're like both rehearsing our characters and one of bowen's characters that he was second screen test. We've been on hold for months. You're not allowed to do anything else while you're on hold. And we're both rehearsing our characters and one of Bowen's characters that he was auditioning with was the choking

victim in the signs. The model for the choking poster. And it was kind of tense in the room because we were both focused on the audition but at one point Bowen was just like Just making gag sounds. Just making gag sounds and rehearsing his

coughing, and I turned to him and I was like, they all sound the same. I was like, I'm here too. I know. And we laughed. We laughed. We laughed. We laughed. That's good though. It builds a stronger bond. Yeah, and look, we're both okay

now. Everything worked out exactly like it needed to. Always does. Here's my question that I had. though it builds it builds a stronger bond yeah and look we're we're both okay now we're everything worked out exactly like that always does always here's my question that i had yeah how do you because i just the one time i hosted i know what the grind is and everybody talks about that the hours and the hours and hours how do you like for example right now are you in new york right now i am okay so how do you balance all of that work and then do this? Oh, well, this is,

I mean, I've had to like recalibrate like my relationship with the podcast for the last year. Cause like Matt's like heard me say like, sometimes I'm like, I'm too burnt out to do this like for the next few weeks. But then he kind of snapped me out of that one day by just being like, well,

when I do the podcast with you, it's, I don't consider it to be work. It's just me hanging out with my friend. And I was like, that's the way I have to frame it is that it's not actual work. And it's and he's right. It's not me like sort of tricking my mind into thinking something that it's that's not true. It's it is true that this is not actually just hanging out. It's just us hanging out. But do you feel that way about smart listist? Yeah. Absolutely. My God.

I look forward to it. By the way, we spent so much time anyway. I was just at Jason's house last night. And me and Scotty started getting into football and enjoying football. Oh, yeah. The big game. A lot of people watched football last night who normally don't watch football. Yeah. It was really, really exciting.

Wait, what happened? What was the match? Was it Chiefs versus the 49ers? Packers? No. The who? No, it was Kansas City and the Broncos? Sounds like you didn't enjoy it that much.

I remember. But anyway, of course, any time a football player got tackled or bent over, me and Scotty, my husband are like any fart noises. You gallows humorist. Yeah. But yeah, so we enjoy hanging out on the podcast

and outside of the podcast. They make me laugh so hard. They're so funny. Yeah, it's so dumb. Like the dumbest, stupidest fucking jokes ever. I feel like you guys have that perfect intersection of smart and stupid, which is heaven, which is what Conan says is heaven.

Yeah, because we don't know anything about anybody or anything. And we claim to be a pop culture podcast. Yeah, you guys know, but you're singing songs at the top. I had no idea. I have no idea what those are.

What are we singing? Oh, so we sing Taylor Swift. You don't have to. I know some Taylor, but I don't know that 10 minute song. Good God. Good God.

I think I'm off. Would you consider yourself, would you identify Bowen as being off book on the 10 minute all too well? I told you, I said on this very podcast that the day after it was released,

me and Gayle king are both on the studio floor at snl watching taylor do both both versions of the song address and air and both gail and i holding each other's hands sorry this is me name dropping but like i love it and then and then ryan reynolds turning to me and going you know all the words how do you know all the words as long as the song hasn't been out for more than 36 hours. I was like, I know. Just don't question it. Sir, I don't think you understand, sir. You're like, how do you not? How do you not? Sean,

who do you, sorry to say, but Stan, who's your number one? Oh, I think I know the answer. I know the answer to this. Number one, what? Number one, like pop star, diva, who's your girl? I feel like the answer has to be, can I answer for you it's different than what my character from will and grace yeah i know i was i don't want to assume but but that

moment was oh sure who doesn't by the way who doesn't love share yeah yeah right okay sorry to yeah but i but see this is like this is interesting i'm a gay who didn't like i didn't grow up around judy and barbara and share all those things not they're all phenomenal but i was depeche mode new order erasure the cure erasure and and morrissey and the smiths and like that's all the music i listened to and revered right and then billy joel and elton john like i never really was that but i loved musicals can i throw something out there and this is dilly departed were you a meatloaf fan no i mean i love the songs but yeah okay i was reaching there but i mean meatloaf did pass and so i i had to um i had to ask because you were sort of saying theater and also rock music yeah i know but i love that

that is the perfect intersection, yeah. Yeah, not for nothing. That's what we sang in Q-Force. You sang it in Q-Force. You did. Well, then what's the answer to the question? All those bands, all those people? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Great.

Boy shit. Boy shit. Well, to me, but where I went to school and college and stuff, it was like the alternative group. So it's like, I don't know if you guys know Chicago very well, but there was a place called Medusa's. And Melissa McCarthy went there at the same time I went there. But we never knew each other. It was wild.

We talked about like how that one, it was a juice bar for 18 and over, right? No alcohol. But it was a place where like skinheads and gay guys and gay girls and everything in between. And like, you know, people who like with tattoos, like we all kind of met and went. The freaks, the outcasts, the weirdos, those from the other side of the tracks. That's exactly right. Yeah. 100%.

That was my crowd. I love that. And so you do compartmentalize like the Cher, the Judy, the, like the, the Barbra's you like that. That's Jack. And that's not Sean. Yeah. I mean, not that I don't appreciate that, but no, I get it.

I get it. Then I, then I apologize for presuming that, but I just feel like what I think is remarkable. And Matt, tell me if you agree. I will. I feel like the whole convention and Cher impersonations that is, Oh, that is a Sean Hayes invention. That is Jack.

Because no one else was doing it before. Well, thanks. Yeah. She just kind of end every single word in an O. Oh. No, you would be, well, but you have to take the last vowel of any word and put an O in. So you would be Bowen Young.

Right? And you would be Matt Rajos. I don't know. That's the rule. That's the rule. That's the rule. That is 100% the established rule. But Sean, and please do not take this the wrong way, but I feel like the whole is that is one of the best non-impression

impressions. Does that make sense? Yeah. We recognize it as being part of the like lexicon of share and being in that lexicon of share impression and my friend dave anderson who's one of the funniest people alive me and him used to do that all the time i kind of got him too so he's he's great you know what's funny like on rupaul's drag race like a couple years ago and i felt bad for some of the queens who, like, culturally, you could tell were just not familiar

with Cher because Ru has it in their head. Well, if you don't know Cher, you can't win Drag Race. It's, like, very much like this weird

thing that Ru has. But I remember they did, like, an episode where they all had to do a Cher impression and dance and sing. Yeah. And, like,

the queen that ended up getting, like, voted out was, like, Ru was like, we didn't see any Cher. You didn't do any of the stuff. And it was so clear what they wanted was, oh. It was so clear they wanted something that was more you doing Cher

than it was Cher. It's truly moved into being the Cher. Isn't that funny? You know, I always thought that too about tonight live because I was such a huge S&L fan when I was in high school too. When I was in grade school and high school and then of course forever and ever. But I feel

like everybody would go back to school on Monday doing impersonations of the actors in S&L impersonations. So we would do Billy Crystal's impression of Fernando. Or we would do Will Ferrell's George Bush. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like Maya Rudolph Donatella is essentially like an insane Slavic woman. Like not Donatella Versace, but you never question it. I always felt like with impressions and I'm obviously, you not an impressionist but I've always felt like when I really enjoy an impression it's more about the commitment and the joy and the discovery of something about it than it is accurate impressions

like I kind of could care less that someone comes out and does an accurate thing I just want to see something exaggerated about it it's almost too like in a TV show or a movie or something when an actor is like playing a famous

person. Well, no, their hair wasn't like this and I have to get this. And I feel like nobody gives a shit about any of it. Because it's just your version of it. It's like, don't overthink it. Why am I so angry about it? Matt got you.

Matt rounds you up. I think I wanted you to get pissed off. Yeah, watch this. Watch this. Number one rated episode of Las Culturitas. Watch this. Sean Hayes absolutely brutalizes Nicole Kidman's Lucille Ball. Brutalizes it.

Matt, say that. No, did not say that you said nothing I used her as an example because it was so expert oh my god well Sean I will say before I forget or before the opportunity leaves me I feel like I feel like one of the most influential comedic performances

for me growing up was Jack coming in on caffeine because he's he's on he has a crush on the new barista downstairs or just the copy i mean that like it's just you coming in for like what one minute two minutes yeah just just doing a little loop it was very sweet to say that they they wrote that you know like on a on a sitcom they they rewrite a lot as the week goes on as you rehearse just like saturday night and um and uh they wrote that huge monologue it was like two pages long and i was like girl i can't there's you cannot change a word of this because you can't hand this to me monday night and expect me to tape it on tuesday night like you know there's you just

can't because we don't have cue cards. So you have to memorize. Right. Right. So, uh, so they promised not to change a word. And I was just walking around my apartment just over and over and over.

How many takes that, do you remember how many takes that was? Two. Yeah. Oh, I did. I did one and I got it except for like the end. And then I got it.

Do it one more time. Two, two might as well be one for that. You know what I mean? You know, it's like, but all the other episodes, that was like 23 takes each.

Wow. Well, that's an efficient, like shoot schedule. I mean like two pages and two takes. Yeah. Well, well,

James Burroughs, Jimmy Burroughs, you know, was our director. Jimmy Burroughs directed. I don't know if you guys know every episode of Cheers, every episode of Will and Grace. He directed Friends,

Big Bang Theory, two and a half men mary tyler moore taxi all those shows so he's like you know the steven spielberg of sitcoms and uh and although jimmy would say or stevens like the jimmy burrows of film but uh but he's like my dad he's the greatest guy ever and um he would work so so so fast and so when i was doing like the like the my rudolph had the my rudolph show for five seconds was like right one special and everybody's working so fast right because of saturday night live and because of jimmy bros i was used to that pace but it would scare a lot not necessarily that my rudolph show but other

shows like that or maya marty or whatever sketch show i like the fast fast fast fast fast yeah yeah yeah i know a lot of people are like wait i have to find my character everyone else is freaked out by it yeah yeah but it's so different now i mean like there's just not a lot of multi-cam happening it's funny because like whenever you get auditions for them it's nowadays it's like you have to kind of snap out of like what they train you to do for a single cam because like i remember when i was when i was doing pilot season a couple years ago um it was just like to get that random little multi-cam that'd be in there it was like wow it's like a completely different performance yeah um mode to be matt what is your what is the dream for you what i've asked

you i i'm i'm actually about to start i start shooting next week the show with molly i'm on i love that for you which is the vanessa bayer and molly shannon and jenna regular yeah yeah oh oh my god my favorite people all in one show that's i know you text me you want to know what it is like it got greenlit so long ago you didn't text me and i this and this is what i just like i had to shake my head at my luck that i get sean hayes to text me congratulations on that i mean you're just the best I had to shake my head at my luck that I get Sean Hayes to text me. Congratulations. I mean, you're just the best. And just to everyone out there knows like he is that kind of guy.

I'm rooting for both of you all the time. I just love, love, love watching talented people win. And so, but, but, but,

and Jeremy Byler, who I love, he's like the greatest ever. I just, I'm really, I, and I will say like, we've had the table reads now and Jennifer Lewis is in the show.

And it's just, it's just on real. I mean, I, I can't believe I, I always stop short of being like, I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky.

Cause I did work hard. So I feel very fortunate for it, but you can't really, really quick. Just from this side, you could have worked harder, but keep going. Yeah. You saw me slacking every day. i'm just my boss he gets no you get to make a job but yeah i mean i i just it's it's really crazy i mean you asked like when we started the podcast

bone and i started you know six years ago when we were truly both like okay and remember guys please come see our show at ucb it's on thursday at 7 30 hope to see you there like and now you know it's different it's so great it's so exciting both of you it's just thrilling i i genuinely truly mean i just love when good people good things happen to good people that's very nice because you know what yeah we all know when good things happen to bad people. That's very nice. Because you know what? We all know when good things happen to bad people. Uh-huh. Yeah.

And that happens all the time too. I might be someone's example. I might be someone's example of that. Owen, shut up. I really do. It's okay. Who out there thinks you're a bad person?

Plenty of people. No, they don't. He's trying to start a villain origin story for himself right now. He wants to be like Batman. Someone, someone's,

I was just tired today after work and someone sent me a DM of, is this you? And it's just, um, big pile of shit. A big, well, no,

well, it was basically like a picture of like two guys, like two ripped guys taking a mirror selfie. And then there's like a middle-aged asian man you know behind them both and it's it's a little dark but i was just like i'm blocking this person so i did it but now i'm like well this person think of me as a bad person who and then they think well he doesn't he's well i know but i know the real bowen yang behavior which is that he blocks you if you dm him something that you think is funny you know funny. I think he's too online

and you're too online, if that's the way you're thinking. I absolutely vote terminally online. Absolutely. It must end. I'm going to say that the first time I was nominated for a Golden Globe, we went to the Golden Globes as a cast, and I sat there on the television

tier, because they put you back, just to make sure you know your place. Yeah. You got to walk down a couple steps. Yeah. God, that's exhausting. I won't live in a two-story house ever. I put my time in at the Golden Globes.

I climb in anymore. And I looked around, and I do have a point, so hang in there. I looked around and I saw like, oh so hang in there I looked around and I saw like oh my god there's literally there's Tom Cruise and Meryl Streep came over to say hello all these people were just incredibly star studded and you go

the first thought in my head was boy we're all lucky we're all lucky because yes everybody has talent whatever on some level even the people that aren't famous and even everybody working in a place somewhere in the middle of nowhere we all have like there's all talent right but we all got lucky and i say that because

so many people that i know could have played jack that are friends of mine they could have just played jack why it happened to me i have no idea because i got the right appointment on the right day at the right time so whatever it is and that's why i think uh it can it can really really happen to anybody i always say to kids when i talk to them at high school or college i was like pointing to myself if this idiot can make it happen literally literally anybody can and it's true well we could dispute could dispute that because you are an icon and so good. But I understand the spirit of what you're saying, which is that there's so many. And then wait, really quick. And then, Bowen and Matt, having met now, having been working in this business for now,

I don't know however long you guys have been working in this business for, for, for now, I don't know however long you guys have been working is now that you've met famous people and now you are famous yourselves. Don't you go, Oh, everybody's the same. Everybody's like, nobody's better than anybody. Nobody's worse than anybody.

Just like all humans are all the same. Yeah. The stigma of like putting them on a pedestal, right? It's just like, oh, you do what I do, I do what you do. Everybody does the same. We're on the same business together. Nobody's better. Yes, but what I find interesting is,

and what I think about when I think about SmartList is that I'm like, oh, these three people are from this really great time in, i don't know the culture that i still do put up on a pedestal because i'm just like because now i'm like oh i'm like i'm like notorious right now in a time that's very like warholian like everyone's famous like that it doesn't really mean much i take everything i just said back i do it too i I do. When you say that, I think of Carol Burnett. Oh my god, you're Carol Burnett. It's crazy.

I feel like it just gets passed down. I really do. I don't know. When Bateman hosted, I was like, I can't believe I'm in this sketch with Jason Bateman. It's all these things that I think I don't know. I guess it's a generational phenomenon. I think people also over time become pros you know what i mean that's

another thing is it's just you get good at at doing this thing that from when you were a kid was a dream like sometimes yeah like sometimes i'll tell my parents about something i'm doing and they're like wait what that's so cool and i'm like oh wow that's i was just thinking of it as a work thing yeah right it is cool yeah yeah and it's it's interesting like i remember being that like you know server in my early 20s like i would watch like the emmys from my restaurant job you know what i mean and and then like over time it's like you know you think it seems so far away and you see a success feel so far away and then like even going through like the ucb system and knowing people now in the entertainment industry it's like there really is not that much difference from people that are working right now and people that are not so i think that and i don't say that to drag anybody i just kind of

say that to tell everyone that's out there still attempting this to hang in there yeah because for sure because we aren't it's not like it was back then where you had to be carol burnett to be carol burnett like now it kind of like with this single cam of it all like you can just figure it out you're gonna shoot your eyes up put on youtube and you're sorry yeah and i'm kidding but like you know what's funny i was gonna bring up i was some reason i i fell down like a youtube wormhole last night of jane krakowski on ali mcbeal singing music in the mirror like she did they they for some reason like let her sing music in the mirror from chorus line and she did the entire number and i was like this is a freak of nature talent that like broke through then and is still around and it's the same with you and we've also been talking about like,

you know, we're, we're watching and just like that and how like, you know, we, we are enjoying the show, but really miss Samantha because Samantha Jones, it's,

it's the sex of the city. Yeah. So, um, like Samantha Jones and I, I, what my point is like Samantha Jones and Jack McFarlane, I think are the two iconic performances.

That's what I would say. I agree. You're very sweet. I am. Yeah. We're rolling, right? Yeah.

See, um, we're still rolling. I think so. Yeah. I'm kidding. Um, so,

uh, wait, what was he to say? Oh, I have something to say. Oh yes. When I, I,

I, we have to, I have to take some of that back. I, like, I wasn't kidding because when I, they were casting Jack's dad for Will and Grace. They wanted John Ritter from Three's Company.

Right. And I used to watch Three's Company as a kid all the time. And he called me because he couldn't do it because of scheduling stuff, but he wanted to so bad. So he called me. Oh, that would have been perfect. I know, perfect, right? And I, because I was obsessed with his physical comedy.

I mean, yeah. And it was so wild to get that phone call. Yeah. He's like, Oh my God, I'm such a fan. I'm like of me. That's so crazy. Yeah. Sean. I mean, what do you think it's like? That's just what I'm trying to get across. Like, you know, for someone like us, like I think this, you are Sean. Yeah. You are, You are the gold standard. I feel like we're all equal.

Everybody's equal. No, they're not. They're not. They're not. But that's nice of you. It's actually rule of culture number 30. Everyone's equal. They're not.

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with like Depeche Mode and with like the Smiths yeah well that's interesting I don't know if I'm answering the question right but when I was a freshman I think in college at Illinois State University one of the greatest universities in the country the song A Little Respect by uh the the song a little respect by

erasure the number one song and um do you know the song yeah yeah a little respect yeah they they i i it's embarrassing how i discovered it but it was in looking the series and i was like what is this you've never heard it before? I had never heard it before. Oh my god, okay. So, I remember being in Freshman Cubs. That song's underrated. Everybody loves it. Everybody in the country, like, it was the number one song in America. And it was the number one song in England. Of course, Andy Bell, the lead singer of Erasure, was

out. Was a gay, proud out gay man in 1988. This is before Madonna's Truth or Dare, where everybody's like, what are gay people? Was the other guy, was the other guy,

was it Vince, Vince Bell? Vince, Andy Bell and- Vince Clark, Vince Clark. Yeah, yeah. Who wrote all the music for Depeche Mode and Yaz.

Uh-huh. So Vince Clark wrote Just Can't Get Enough. Yeah. Just Can't Get Enough. And then he wrote, you know, Blue Eyed Dress for every situation right i'm

moving through the doorway of the nation it's been a long time now i'll get you somehow yeah anyway so uh he would you guys have to pay the right for the rights to those or no no no no no and i and they and any song sean hayes things we have to pay the rights guys we didn't make money this week we paid eight,000 in music rights. If they had to do that for our podcast, we would be... Bone and I would be in debt forever. A lot of this is just us

breaking out into song. Okay, good. I love it. Okay, so sorry for such a long answer to your question, Bone. No, no. Vince Clark and... Just a little respect? A little respect. a little respect. So, um, I was obsessed with the song and the, and the group. And then of course, you meet your gay friends in college. You're like, you're gay too.

And you're gay too. And this is before internet and phones and everything. So, uh, my friend, Randy, one of my best friends, still funniest fucking guy ever gay, proud out, love him. He is like, you know, funniest fucking guy ever. Gay, proud, out, love him. He is like, you know that guy's gay. I'm like, who? He's like the lead singer of Erasure. I was like, what are you talking about? I couldn't comprehend that someone in the entertainment industry could make money at what they love to do and be out.

That's so interesting. And I was like floored by that. I was like, how is this guy have a job making albums? I don't understand. And so I'm sure there are people before that, that I don't, I'm not talking about,

but for me, my awareness at 18 and, and I came out at 18 too, as well to my family and friends. I mean, and so that was just a big, big turning point for me. That's a great answer. Yeah.

That's a great answer. Ola Moore is like a song that I put on like every Pride playlist every summer. Oh, yeah. I'm just like, this is such a beautiful song. It's like a literal love song. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I love that song.

And then I would go to all the concerts and then i ran into him on on uh hell rose like decades later and i was like oh my god and i go what are you guys doing tonight and he didn't know i was and he goes uh then he he he does he does you know now he must have been a concert like maybe five years ago and he's like, how do you memorize all those lines? Not just asking that. It's like you do it all the time. You sing your songs.

But anyway, he was nice. He was nice. It's interesting that you say like that visibility was so important to you and that it was like a turning point because you say you came out to friends and that it was like a turning point because you say you you came out to friends and family when you're 18 19 in college yeah yeah and then when did you get when did you so will and grace was your breakout right like and at what point did that happen 10 years after

that 10 years after that so i'm assuming that you live life throughout your 20s like sort of like you know being sean who's the gayest person alive yeah right and then you get this part which is jack who's capital g gay yeah and you know a threshold opens um in terms of television representation and yet you still because of the time period have to sort of recede from that public yeah i mean i didn't have to but i didn't come out on the a lot of people's terms because that's right but we were also getting death threats and you know mailed to the thing and we would get letters like this one woman sent us a letter you're going to hell but i love the show and i was like what and so uh so it scared me i was young

and i didn't have the dna to be a spokesperson for the entire gay community i still don't i still don't want the job i'm just a stupid fucking dumb actor. Right. You know, so I don't, I don't have the, I'm not slick enough to be that person. I, I gotta say, like, this is what I've learned about myself at least, or just about like being queer on like a, on a somewhat visible platform is that I'm like, people will always in such bad faith misinterpret who you are. And I feel like when you were on Will & Grace, the potential for that was probably,

like you say, lethal. It would have been very dangerous for you. I truly believe this. I really believe that. Because people knew my address. People were coming to my you. I truly believe this. I really believe that like, because people knew my address, people were coming to my house and I was so scared. I wasn't brave. And I should have, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is what I'm saying is that like, I'm kind of like, God, if you guys, if this general audience cannot handle like me, I've said, I've talked about this too much on this podcast, but if, if a general audience

has trouble like swallowing me or making sense of like who I am when I'm on their TV, I'm like, I'm like, okay, then like, and the headline I think probably is, and this comes with age and wisdom and experience and building confidence and self-esteem is that the more you that you can be, the more successful you will be in all areas of life, relationships, jobs, everything. And so, you know, it took me a long time to realize that. And so, you know, again, going back to the only live for five minutes, you know, we're only here for five minutes. It's like, it's too exhausting, as you know, as we all know,

to live any other way. Yeah. Were you into Erasure? Was that around the same time as George Michael going solo? Or was that before? Yeah, no. He went to,

1990 was... Freedom? Freedom, yeah. Freedom 90? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We went to an 80s party

this summer and my friends and I were like, fucking George Michael he fucking like was out here sucking dicks in bathrooms yes he was not giving a shit like bravo we owe I feel like we owe

a lot to the 80s to like the queer men in the 80s who were like doing it yes because the year that album although George was not then but uh publicly and in 1990 but that i keep going back to 1990 because it was vogue came out and madonna was such a huge huge huge thing and i don't know i feel like it was like you're saying it was all kind of around the same time late 80s early 90s that people just got fed up with with hiding hiding

yeah in that way but i also think like, you know, we've seen it because it's, the fact is like, I think that there's all this queer representation now, but you forget like that in terms of the grand scheme of things, like that's like a blink of an eye, like a second click on the talk. Yeah. Oh my God, on the talk.

A second like tick on the clock of um like history where it's been even okay to say that you are you know different in any way and so i just can't imagine like i get a little bit of a glimpse of what bowen um goes through like you know in terms of like what he represents to people i think it people. I think it's an absolute binary thing. Like if people get angry at you doing something, I don't know. I feel like your brain processes it the same way. Sorry.

No, but I agree. But I think Bone watching you on Saturday Night Live, it's what I'm saying. It's because you don't make excuses. You don't make apologies. This is who I am. And the audience fucking loves you for it everybody loves that about not only you but anybody who embraces themselves and you

did it so i don't think anybody thinks about it imagine if twitter was around like when will and grace first started people would have been it would have been insane yeah it's like a zoo with no enclosures even today in the year of our lord 2022 when everyone knows better like fucking 1999 did you ever like go on like a message board and be like I wonder what the folks think of my performance I mean we've all looked right

just like if somebody writes a hateful thing on like Instagram or something all I do every time is I just go aww I love you so much. Kill them with kindness. Yeah. They're like, short circuit.

They don't know what to do with that. Well, they do. You're right. Yes. When you kill them with kindness. Did anything fundamentally change when you guys brought it back? Did it just feel like you were just putting on those old hats? Yeah, no, it just felt like,

well, you know, the reboot you mean, right? Yeah. The, we did that, what's it called? The election video. And so it was just to get our point of view out. We hadn't seen each other since the show ended and we did it all,

the crew did it for free. We did it for free. The writers did it for free. We did it for free. The writers did it for free. Everybody came together in a secret stage that was like, it was like a stage underneath the building on the CBS Radford line. And we shot this thing

and we're like, bye everybody. It was so great to see you. Oh my God, we haven't seen each other in so long. And we kissed and we cried and it was so fun. And then we put it online and it was like millions and millions and millions of people. Bring it back we're like what and then so bob greenblatt who's a friend of mine he was running nbc he was like i think we should would you guys ever want

to do this if we had dinner right here in this dining room oh i'm sitting at the dining room table i can't oh my god yeah everything's so sharp it's like american psycho it's very scary the way you live and and we all ate here and we all discussed it and we're just like yeah i think we talked about stories that we could do and i think there's some unfinished stuff so that's how that happened wow yeah anyway and god bless love it and we were all the better for it are you excited to go back to chicago it doesn't stress you out do you like going back to chicago i love it i love it i love it okay it's the great it's a great city i love it so much i you know so many friends there and family and i just i it's you love pizza i love pizza i love the chicago food it's so good you love pizza you

love the ball games at ridley field as we know the big sports guy cigars cigars come on like absolutely just beer canned beer, the big old beers. I love those. Those are so amazing. You know, I actually just went to Chicago to do a show. Last month, I was touring with a show, and I stayed in a hotel that was across the street from Wrigley Field. And there is that little boy in me that had a sports dad that was like,

this is dark. Wrigley Field. Yeah, yeah. Come on now. I mean, it really is. It's like those things are like landmarks, like this is dark. Wrigley Field. Yeah, yeah. Come on now. I mean, it really is. Those things are like landmarks. Like Fenway Park, Wrigley Field. These are... Just like a two-minute walk or a minute walk

from there is Boys Town. Yes. Yeah. Talk about balls. Talk about, ah, you beat me to it. Play ball. Sure did. Let me tell you something. I'm younger, I'm quicker, and I'm coming up right behind you, you stupid fucking bitch. You should never have emboldened me emboldened oh yeah but um guys i can feel her wrapping up because i'm gay and i'm sensitive uh no no no we have to do i don't think so honey we have to do i don't think so honey what's that you're such a what you weren't

you weren't briefed we have a big segment coming up it's called i don't think so honey it's the whole thing oh do it well you're well you have to do it too okay let's do it i don't know what it is wait why were you saying you were sensitive no because i wanted to mention hypochondriac oh wait we would have made we had to mention hypochondriac talk to me about it wednesdays thanks what's it called yeah you have two have two. Okay. Overachiever. Okay. So I have a television icon. He's got two podcasts.

He only has one. No, hypochondriac actor. I do it with my friend, Dr. Priyanka Wally, who's a standup comedian and a certified doctor, like an incredible doctor. And she, because I'm obsessed with medical stuff. Always have been. I always say name a part of my body. Anything on me, I have a story about it, except for my gallbladder.

That one's fine. But anything on my body. Wow. Yeah, you could say anything. That's a problematic one for so many people. Yeah, right. But I love, love, love medical stories. So I asked David Letterman once, I was like, you know, what do you like talking about?

So whenever I come on, he's like, oh my God, always medical stories. I'm like, me too. For you specifically? Or just people in general? He just loves medical stories. Him as a hypochondriac reads to me a hundred percent yeah for sure so i was i'm obsessed so i was like let's just start a podcast called i'm an actor who's a hypochondriac let's call a hypochondriac actor and so uh we have guests come on and they talk about their medical issues and uh it's it's just

fantastic and we get to break it down and make fun of it and then be serious about it has have you guys talked about shingles yet yeah of course oh got my shingle shot don't get me started what's your most iconic medical issue you've ever had ready for this yeah I woke up uh in 2017 three days before the premiere of the reboot of Will and Grace I think it's 2017. And I was like, in three o'clock in the morning, I was like,

oh my God, my stomach hurts. Oh my God, my stomach hurts so bad. What is that? I'll just go back to sleep. Oh my God. And a appendix burst?

Nope. I thought, that's what I thought it was. My fucking small intestine burst open. Oh. And I had to have emergency surgery. I almost fucking died. Shut up.

I swear to God, they went I almost fucking died. Shut up. I swear to God. They went in there, they cut it out and they taped it back together and I went on Dr. Oz to talk about it. You fuck.

And I said, and Dr. Oz goes, in all my experience, I've never heard this happening because usually it happens in like the large intestine or the bowel or the colon or whatever,

but never in the small intestine right next to your stomach. So it was crazy. I could go on and on about the whole thing. Oh my God. That is freakish. Yes. And then I took, well, can I say the name of the drug?

Yes. Say the name of the drug. Say the name of every drug you've ever taken. Into the hard stuff? I took Oxycontin. They put it on me for pain. I was like, it's not going to work. I'm too sensitive to all drugs i hate drugs i'm not it's not gonna work and they loved it let me tell you something yeah no i hated it so let me tell you something what this is what's

so fucking crazy is it fucking takes the pain away like i had no pain i never knew i didn't think it was gonna work and it worked but you know what it does? Put me in a dark, dark, dark, dark hole. Depression massive. I was like, I gotta get off this stuff. It's horrible. It's horrible. I don't know. It really, it really, I've been on it a couple times and it's, it's crazy. It's the worst. It's the worst drug ever. Like the second

time I, I, I had to get my, I had a surgery on my nose and, um, like my mom was like, the second you don't need these we're throwing them away yeah and i was like i was like why and she's like because you're gonna get addicted to them and then you punch yourself in the face you're like oh it's still broken i need them but wait but wait a minute i but really quick and then we can move on i'm sorry but the other thing this just happened to me last week i had a colonoscopy you guys when you hit colonoscopy

yeah oh you go under right to stick a camera up your ass and smile i'm like smiling smiling camera they stick it up there and i right before they you know you go under right and um i said right before i went under i said uh whatever you touch my asshole and uh but come on brooks So I went like this. I was sorry. They were giving it to me and I go, I'm really sensitive. Can you give me the propofol or whatever? That's not going to be out. Yeah.

Like, sure. And my body started shaking. That's a whole other story because that was my reaction to the drug. And he's like, can you just try to relax? And I was like, yeah, I'm trying. But, you know, it's just my reaction to the drug. And then the nurse goes, what did you think? And I go about what? And she goes about what just happened about the procedure. I go, what?

I know it's freaky. Yeah. I go, are you telling me I, you already did it? And she goes, yeah. I go, how long was I out? And she goes 20 minutes. I go 20 minutes. This is like fucking Alien Probe. Yeah. Crazy. You time traveled. Yes, you time travel. It's crazy. Yeah.

It's crazy. Anyway, Hyperhondra actor every Wednesday. Let's start. Okay. Listen, the podcast king, listen to both. Smart less on Mondays, even though they really don't need more numbers, to be honest with you. I feel like enough people listen we're good they got one dream Amazon muscle whatever

and hypochondriac rather is on Wednesdays and you listen to that after you listen to Lost Gulch alright let's go the real housewives of New York City Ah, lost culture. All right, let's go. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is.

Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Malkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her?

Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City, all new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles

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an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. Guess what, folks? We're teammates again. And we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude. You're a dude. And Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show.

We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against, legends from the past. And we're just going to sit here and talk about them. And we'll get into the types of dudes. What kind of types of dudes are there, Gronk? We got studs, wizards. We got freaks. Or dudes dude. We got dogs. Dogs. We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.

Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.

Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace,

the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is, I don't think so, honey. This is where we take one minute each to go off about something in culture, to really have a polemic ready so yeah sean we'll each do one first and then you'll you'll you'll understand

how it how it works okay you say i don't think so honey blank your your topic okay okay great so matt you want to go first i like something okay this is matt rogers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey jenny win of the real housewives of salt lake city okay let me tell you something right now you should have been fired because you were bad on the show first of all let's just get that out in the open is jenny wen good on the show i don't think so honey are her storylines fake i do think so honey is dewey a pawn in her grand scheme to like assume seem like a normal nice person we want to empathize with i do think so honey i don't think so honey jenny went on top of all that now these racist facebook posts come out 30 seconds

cheering on like the mowing down of like protesters like this is really really dark racist anti-vax pro-trump q adjacent yeah all of it all of that so we need to say goodbye to jenny when when now she needs to go because the real house on the salt lake city is in a disarray right now we don't know what our cast can look like next year but i know it can't have jenny win on it seconds mary cosby maybe we need you back i don't know what to say but the answer is i don't think so honey and that's one minute sean do you watch salt lake city no i don't watch the i don't watch the, honey. And that's one minute. Sean, do you watch Salt Lake City? No, I don't watch the house. You don't do any Housewives? I've never seen it.

You would enjoy it. I feel like I might enjoy it. You would love it. You know who loves to jam about the Housewives? It's Molly. Oh, really? Does she watch it? Molly loves Housewives.

Bowen Yang, would you be ready with an I Don't Think So, Honey if I said it was your time? I would be, but also just the genuine of it all. Oh, yeah, please. Like you said, deeply uncompelling reality show character. I was going to say, you know, she seems like a perfectly nice person, but now we know

that is no longer true either. I mean, whatever. Let's just keep going. I mean, you can't be both. You can't be boring as a housewife and bad as a housewife and ineffective on television and also a, like, it goes beyond racist. The posts like abhorrent yeah they were they were really bad it was like it was like the craziest relative you have the person that influences them that's how bad the facebook

posts were so she's's got to absolutely go. And that's going to have to happen ASAP. And I will stress she's also bad on the show. She's bad TV. She's not even fun. Jenny, when? Now. When? Now. When is she going to go? Now.

So this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, one his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, one word, names, titles for anything. Movies, restaurants, people even. I don't want to go to your restaurant called Tuffet. I don't want

to see your movie called... Arrival. Arrival. That's the best movie ever. Doesn't apply to all movies, let's just say. But I don't want to talk to you if your name is greg okay it better be greg john greg john and then your last name is jones 30 seconds i want more than one word in every single name title of everything because guess what my brain can handle it i promise you and so can most peoples okay do

not underestimate your audience 15 seconds let them think just a little bit get the gray matter going okay are you listening beyonce are you listening add the knolls back in add the knolls carter back in i promise you we will remember you if you remember you. Trust me. And that's one minute. Wow. A true, it's so crazy how you were like, I don't want to see your one name movie. And then I say one film and you sort of melted. One of my favorite movies.

The thing, I swear to God, this is the first, the first moment that I felt this was when Disney decided to rename Rapunzel Tangle. But that's not a great example because Rapunzel is also one word. But, oh no, Frozen. It was going to be called the Snow Queen. And then they changed it to Frozen.

And I was like, no, don't do that. Well, you know why they did that. It's a marketing thing so that it could be marketed to girls and boys. Yes. They didn't want- I knew that. I know why people do this

because it's easier to remember, but I feel like we should start to move away from that as a culture. I like what you're saying. My personal favorite thing is when someone has three names. Absolutely. That's to me, you're only... That was going to be my thing.

Now I've got to think of something else. Wait, Sean, what's your middle name? Patrick. Sean Patrick Hayes. Sean Patrick Hayes sounds very good really start it okay Sean Patrick Hayes this is Sean Patrick Hayes

I don't think so honey his time starts now I don't think so honey people with three names first of all it's too exhausting I'm too tired by the time I get to the end I'm already sleeping I'm napping it's too much. I'm too tired. By the time I get to the end, I'm already sleeping. I'm napping. So tiring.

It's too much work. I think that it says something more about the person than the actual name. It says that you don't think you're good enough with just the two. Oh my god. And you are. And I'm here to tell you, you are. There's no need for the three. Nobody has time. Nobody thinks you're

better than the other person with just two. 30 seconds just more work you better keep going i don't need the time icon i see he's so tired from saying all these three name names for all these years he doesn't want to finish the rest of it i don't think so honey and 25 seconds left and that's from someone who used to be called sean patrick hayes listen do you used to go by sean patrick hayes when i first started and i was like this is exhausting i think it's kind of i don't know i was gonna say it rings nicely it's very theater i changed the sean p hayes and then just sean hayes the middle initial is not is not a thing i don't

think i don't know like there was because there's so many matt rogers's in I joined, and they were like, do you want to still be Matt Rogers? You should change it. And I was like, I'm not changing Matt Rogers. I am Matt Rogers. And they were like, you sure you don't want to be Matt R. Rogers? And I'm like, listen to what you just said. Listen to what you just said. Matt R. Rogers?

No. You're going to be laughed out of this town. Although I have been doing this thing lately where I've been actually absentmindedly introducing myself as Matthew, which I like. I like that. I'm going to be laughed out of this town. Although I have been doing this thing lately where I've been actually absentmindedly introducing myself as Matthew, which I like. I like that. I'm Matthew Rogers. You know who I think is doing it to prank us?

Who? Samuel L. Jackson. It just doesn't roll off. Nobody calls him that unless he's introduced as that on a talk show. Yeah, he's Sam Jackson, I think, right? You probably know him. Sam. I do know him. Yeah, he's Sam Jackson, I think, right? You probably know him. I do know him. Yeah, he's such a nice guy. But do you call him Samuel L.?

No. I call him Sam. Sam. I'm Sam, yeah. You ever call him Sammy? No, but my... One of my godsons is Sammy and I go, Sammy! And he walks into a room. That's huge.

That's probably really a great thing to hear whenever he comes in. He just knows he's gonna He just rolls his eyes. You know who I'm realizing this whole I don't think so honey you just did is fully dragging and this is supposed to be an episode celebrating her is my sister whose name is Chelsea Ryan Rogers.

Her first name is Chelsea Ryan which I think first name is Chelsea Ryan, which I think is the chicest thing I've ever heard. I think it's so chic. And then she hates it. She's like, no, just Chelsea. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Chelsea Ryan. Is it hyphenated or one word?

No, it's two. It's like Mary Kate or Beth Ann. It's like Chelsea Ryan. Sarah Jessica. Sarah Jessica. Sarah Jessica! Well, listen. Hypochondriac-tor is out on Wednesdays. Smartless

is out on Mondays, which is two days before that. Yeah, it sounds like a media diet to me. Thanks for the double whams. Sorry, God. Sorry, God. Listen, I would be remiss if I didn't say it one more time. You really are the best.

You're my best. It makes me so happy that you're in my life, and you really did. You gave me such a gift there with that role on Q-Force, and I thank you for that, and you're just the best. Every time I hear from you, I just can't believe my life. Likewise. I love you.

I'm rooting for you, and I'm rooting for you, Bowen, and I believe my life. Likewise. I love you. I'm rooting for you and I'm rooting for you, Bowen, and I love you guys so much. We love you. You're a true hero. I never, I never, I don't really throw that word out, but I mean, you really are, so thank you for joining us. Thank you, guys. And we end every episode of this podcast, believe it

or not, with a song. A fart noise. Gallows. Gallows. What's the song, Bow? But you gotta have faith, faith, faith. I gotta have faith. I gotta have faith, faith, faith. I gotta have faith, faith, faith. Baby!

Wow, it really is. It's so intense. It's so orgasmic. It's so toppy. Yeah, toppy. You stay asking me to stay. Say please, please, please. Please don't go away. And let me lose. it's so toppy yeah toppy you stay asking me to stay say please please please

don't go away that's getting listened to right after yeah yes wow put that in the queue and smoke it

alright bye bye on Thanksgiving Day 1999 five year old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.

Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Sheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there.

Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes.

We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season.

Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.