Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Speaking of Hailee Steinfeld..." (w/ guest host Joel Kim Booster)

Episode Date: July 7, 2021

Technical difficulties in the Dominican Republic iconically keep Bowen from recording this week, so Matt's other soulmate and fellow Gay Cold Survivor Joel Kim Booster jumps in quite literally last second to co-host a culture catchup that the readers de-SERVE despite the fact that Matt is not one of Joel's favorite friends (because of race). It's a lot of gay nonsense and also deep dives on these topics: RIP to T'Challa Samuels, Erika Girardi's potential guilt, Black Widow, Loki, what we're doing with Gugu Mbatha Raw, Space Jam 2 and Joel's upcoming Fire Island movie based on Jane Austen's Pride & Prejudice. Also, Matt and Joel call back to their podcast "Matt, Joel and the Search for the Next Elle Woods" to name a Cousin of the Week. IYKYK. See you next week... for a LEGENDARY episode........... aooo!!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Oh, my. Oh, and look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Oh, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. What a treat for everyone listening at home, but a tragedy for some out there. For my Bowen Yang diehards, because this is not Bowen Yang. This is my other sister, who I knew to call on when Bowen was having technical difficulties.

Introduce yourself. Hi, my name is Joel Kim Booster. This is really, this is borderline problematic to be slotting in for Bowen Yang. Shut up. It is, you know, the symmetry. People are going to talk. People are going to make their jokes. No.

And I don't think so, honey, people making jokes like that. See, and you said you didn't know what your I don't think so honey was gonna be and look at you already popping off it can't be that how boring no listen people literally at dc a fan came up to me out of meet and greet was like bowen yang i love your work and i was like we are not still doing that in the year of our Lord 2021. Stop Asian hate. This is ridiculous. No, this is fully ridiculous. Also, I will say this.

I also hosted another podcast with you. The Legally Blonde recap podcast was truly a moment in podcasting history. That feels like 10,000 years ago. I cannot believe we did that. And I cannot believe we need, you And I cannot believe, we need, you know what we need to bring back for this, this episode of Las Culturistas?

Oh my God, what, Cousin of the Week? Cousin of the Week! We need to bring back Cousin of the Week. By the end of the episode, after,

after I Don't Think So Honey, before I Don't Think So Honey, we will do Cousin of the Week. Cousin of the Week was a segment on our Joel and I's Legally Blonde recap podcast

by the way we should say it was legally blonde the series the musical the series and we did a recap podcast for that just in time to search for the next l woods which i believe it came out 13 years ago yeah i want to say like 2008 yeah 2008 that feels exactly right stylistically thematically aesthetically that from what we watch 2008 feels dead on in fact i think it is and we did do a segment based on the contestants that week called cousin of the week which was something i created because i felt that at any given time any of those contestants were giving cousin energy right and and it makes and it tracks absolutely it makes complete sense when you

watch the show and it will make complete sense today when we name out of all the topics that we talk about we will be naming a cousin of the week and it you you won't ask it there are no follow-up questions to be asked no we're not available to answer any questions after we are we are we are actually abjectly unavailable isn't this funny because you actually texted me earlier you said what are you doing tonight sort of intimating that you wanted to hang out and the end because you're what are you in manhattan now i'm in brooklyn right now yeah love the other manhattan number seven brooklyn is the other manhattan the la of new york the silver lake of new york truly brooklyn hmm think about it i Manhattan the LA of New York the Silver Lake of New York truly

Brooklyn hmm think about it I like to think of LA as the sixth borough of New York a hundred percent wow you're just saying fuck Long Island where I am right now yeah you are saying that I and this is actually it's a beautiful stand

in I want you to know I have had a full day earlier I went into town to get Italian ices, which is something that people often do on Long Island. And I went into town on Main Street. Thank you. Wow. The Main Street. In Lindenhurst.

The Main Street. And I went to my favorite Italian ice place growing up. It's called Pazzi's Italian Ices. And I never knew this, but on the wall, there is a plaque. And I texted you about this before in the group chat. But there's a plaque on the wall. And it's a quote from Pat Benatar being asked about her hometown. And high lit, it just says, Patsy's serves the best Italian ices.

And then it's a plaque on the wall. So this town, Lindenhurst, which is right by where I grew up and where my parents grew up, is so proud that Pat Benatar just tossed off this Italian ice comment that they placked it and put it on the wall high lit. Okay? And it's across the church from

Pat Benatar's church, Our Lady of Perpetual Health. It's across the church. It's across the street. It's across the church. Now, I want to be fully up front. I want to be real and. It's across the church. It's across the street. It's across the church. Now, I want to be fully up front. I want to be real and raw with all of the readers tonight. That's what we do. I took a melatonin about 15 minutes before you called.

And so, not only am I unprepared to talk about culture, not only have I not really ingested very much culture over the last couple of weeks. You've ingested melatonin instead. I've ingested a little melatonin, so I might be feeling a little sleepy sleepy by the end of this podcast. I often feel that people are at their most raw and vulnerable when they've just, when they've gotten a little sleepy. So I'm happy to get you in this state. But it's actually good that we strike a little bit of a somber tone

because have you heard the bad news? What is the bad news? Meghan McCain is leaving The View the view no this is old well we do have to talk about board member she has resigned from the view to sort of i guess commit herself fully 100 to being a board member of lost culture reasons but that's not the bad news with which'Challa Samuels, Monique's bird, has passed. No. And she said on her Instagram that T'Challa passed in a freak

accident. She didn't go any further. I think that probably it's too painful and potentially graphic and tragic. Because when I hear freak accident, I don't think you know, that the bird went peacefully.

No, but like, you know, fuck birds. I've never met a bird that I cared if they lived or died. Not even that bird? Not even that bird. Freak accident with birds, by the way, can mean anything. A freak accident for a bird can mean it flew out a window, which is not that freakish for a bird to do.

Well, you know that bird once ran away. That bird has a history of flying the coop, so to speak. And, you know, that wasn't a problem until it was. What's going on in that household? What's going on in that household? Who's having that conversation? Who's having that conversation? All I'm saying is, look,

and if anyone has ever had a pet run away, I'm not blaming you. I'm just saying, what the hell's going on in that house and who's having that conversation? Because the bird tried to run away and successfully, or flew away, as it were, and then flew back, and now there's a freak accident. Again, not blaming her, and I know there's been a lot of drama in her life over the past year, but also shady of God to have this happen on the week of the Potomac premiere that she's not in. Really shady of God to have it happen during America's birthday too, of all things. Like to giveth and taketh away. To remind, to sort, it's just too much.

I think to be Monique Samuels right now to sort of see the potomac trailer to sort of see like wendy really sort of take her place as it were as like she's like narrating the trailer you know that wendy's going to be bringing the drama that season in a way and to know that like her bird died on the week of the premiere. Oh my gosh. She's lost so much. Address her correctly. You are correct. But I just it's almost proper for me that you come in here sort of having

ingested melatonin because I never thought this would be like a last coach. And I just sort of like flashed my hands like this to sort of say fanfare this is a sedate this is a sedate this is a calm day of remembrance you guys are going to get about a third of the content at the exact same time stamp and you're going to pay the same zero dollars okay so don't you fucking complain why did you tell me that you, uh,

would not have been in the mood to do this two hours ago? Or is that an off camera comment? Um, it's sort of an off camera comment. I, it's, it's not important. It's not important now. Um, I was just, I've had a whirlwind day, um, full of text messages and FaceTimes and work-related stuff. I see. Honestly, it is for you, Matt, as my friend to hear, which is why I wanted to go to dinner with you tonight

as a friend. And it is not for you, Matt, as a podcaster to hear. Now, how different do you think the two are? Honestly, it could happen on an Instagram Live. Now, that's the liminal space between podcasting and a private one-on-one dinner is I would

reveal all on an Instagram Live. But not on this podcast where everyone's family? No. No, it's the audience is too big. Oh, Jesus. It lives on forever. Alright, fine. It does live on in perpetuity. Wow, scary to think about. Things on this podcast

living in perpetuity. I believe I said on my very first appearance that St. Louis was the worst city in America. You did, and that sort of calls back to your very first episode, which is called All Across America, where we talked almost exclusively about which American cities were bad and which ones were good. Something I

really hope no one listens to, but now that I said it, they probably will. And I would like to say I've since visited Phoenix, Arizona and I would like to say Phoenix, Arizona is far worse than St. Louis. Really? Yeah, Phoenix, I don't know what it's offering. What is it offering? Nothing. I went to, I had a show

in historic downtown Phoenix. They kept saying it. It's the arts district. Historic downtown Phoenix. It looks like a fucking Chipotle. Everything down there. Because you forget, like at least St. Louis, there's history there. It's an older city. You forget that a lot of stuff on the

West, brand, thank and new. There is no history. There is no culture. It's just teal. It's just a big teal Chipotle. Oh, teal. Not teal. It's not great teal chipotle oh teal not teal it's not good well the thing too is like you just said st louis has a lot of history and i'm racking my brain and this is how you know i am in my hometown of long island new york because i'm like what's the history on long island mark mcguire hey that's something that's something there was

a time when mark mcguire he was mean, look at me in my baseball hat. By the way, if you look behind me, look at all those trophies. Oh my God. So mask. So mask. It's incredible how mask I sort of am on Long Island. And I'm telling you, it comes out. You know the top jumps out.

Your voice is deeper, in fact. Deeper and darker. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, that's part of having the gay cold. I have the gay cold. I caught the gay cold finally over the weekend. So you are a believer, then, in the gay cold. You would not sort of...

Yes, I believe that when gay people party for five weekends in a row and get no less than four hours of sleep for five days of weekends in a row and get, you know, no less than four hours of sleep for five days of those in a row every single week that you will develop a cold. I do believe that. Especially after a iconic period of immune system suppression and over hand sanitation. We were iconically separated this Pride and Fourth of July weekend, so I don't know how yours was. And that's something I can hear about. My Pride? Yeah, well, how was your damn Pride? How was your 4th of July

weekend? I'm not even going to see you on my Fire Island trip, which feels stupid. My Pride was fucking fantastic. I was in San Francisco for all of it, and it was a delight. And listen, I think people sleep on San Francisco as a pride city. Do they?

I think so. I mean, there were plenty of people that were visiting there, but for my entire life, since I was a child, since I was three years old, since I could stand up, I said, I do pride in New York. That's where I do it. That's where the Stonewall riots happened. That's where I need to

be. That's where all the good floats are all the good big floats, big banks yeah but there was actually there was a riot before Stonewall that happened in San Francisco it was called

the Compton Cafeteria Riot the Compton Cafeteria Riot. The Compton Cafeteria Riot. Okay, professor. Yeah. Oh my God. You're an iconic professor. Yeah. So in fact, I think it was more appropriate for me to spend my pride in San Francisco.

I had a lovely time. I saw a lot of my friends there. A lot of stuff happened. It is difficult because a lot of stuff happened it is difficult because a lot of my friends who were there listened to this podcast and so I don't want to get into it I don't want to dox

them don't dox them or yourself it's actually rule of culture number 99 don't dox them or yourself don't do it true or false you like your san francisco friends better than me yes true absolutely true um absolutely true uh is it because they're more fun is it because they're less fun why do you like them better than me because i know you do um i would say I like them better than you because

they're certainly kinder to me. They're a kinder bunch. They're more diverse than you. Optically, it is a better look for me. Of course, yeah, that's important to constantly

look at. I literally imported a Viarda before San Francisco I met a guy and was making out with him and like the third thing I said to him was like why did you have to be white oh god that is because if you're photographed people

will drag yeah I get dragged for it all the time I got dragged for it in San Francisco for hanging out with too many white gays yeah and two of them all the time. I get dragged for it all the time. I got dragged for it in San Francisco. For hanging out with too many white gays? Yeah. And two of them in the picture that I posted were Latino. So I don't even know. I can't win in this town.

I can't win in this town. I think you can win in this town. You just have to. Well, first of all, that's, is that even, that's something that you get a lot? Yeah. Check my DMs, babe. Check my fucking DMs. How am I going to get in there?

I know your privacy is ironclad. Well, that disappoints me. You feel like you can't be in a picture with me because people are going to say that guy's white? Fuck that. I'm going to be upset. Well, I mean, you are Greek and that is something. You know, someone did look at me one time and say, is he some sort of not white? And then someone that they, the person they asked that to,

turned to them and said, no. And they were, of course, right. I am exactly some sort of white. That is all I am. We were talking today because I've been wearing a lot of ribbed tanks, formerly known as wife beaters. Yeah. And thank you for speaking that out loud. It's actually Rula Culture number 107.

They're ribbed tanks formerly known as wife beaters. Thank you very much for changing the consonants on that one as well. But somebody was like, why do they call them wife beaters? And I literally said, I think it's derogatory towards Greek people somehow. No, said i think it's derogatory towards greek people somehow no it's i think you know who it's derogatory towards is the the sort of uh

milk white asses like your eminem types you know what i mean you're detroiters i think that wife beater predates that though yeah you know it is really interesting i think we've talked about this like the what i was explaining that item of clothing to someone and the word wife beater just kind of flew out my mouth suggesting that it's been in my mouth for a very long time yeah and that we just accepted it a as what that item of clothing is called and b that it was an acceptable thing to sort of conjure up that imagery when simply stating what someone was wearing. And I remember I said it and I immediately

was like, oh my god can you believe that I just called it that and that we all, the collective we, called it that. Yeah, yeah. It's one of my favorite things to be self-righteous about actually these days. It's one of my favorite things to be self-righteous about actually these days it's one of my favorite things to be self-righteous about yeah that well it's actually interesting we just said eminem

because i love to be self-righteous about eminem too so this whole area really i think about you every time i say i stand something every time i say i stand something and by the way i have not changed the behavior i'll continue to say it no i think about you every scene yeah i and i i was like leading the charge of being like we can't do this it's an eminem thing and remember how painful he was i love nothing more than to get on my soapbox about eminem one of the coolest things about me i'd say is how upset and angry and righteous i get when i think about eminem and then the next day you turn around, I stan Ashley Simpson. How did you know how to hurt me? How did you know

how to hurt me and expose me? I recently discovered, I was talking with a friend about this, Ashley Simpson is the perfect pop cultural reference for almost all occasions. I was literally telling him about the Hollywood Bowl performance of Chicago and how,

which apparently she slayed, she slayed, she did slay. But I was like telling him about it. And I was like, you know, they always cast it with like these weird C-list celebrities, like Chicago with Ashley Simpson.

And he thought I was, he thought I was fucking brilliant. First of all, because he thought he was like, wow, what an incredible improvised line. Like these two references together. And I was like, no, babe, this improvised line. These two references together. And I was like, no, babe, this is real.

I'm just saying history. Okay? Maybe it's the glossary of St. Louis because it's history, baby. It is fun to think about. It is fun to think about has-beens in the Hollywood Bowl. Who is your has-been? What is your combo?

C-list celebrity and... Honestly, here's mine.isa rinna and harry hamlin starring with erica jane in a hollywood bowl version of chicago i want rinna playing velma i want erica jane doing roxy which she did and also roxy of course i mean rinna famously would not stop talking about how she did Roxy, but I also think she's got Velma in her. We see the way she moves. I think she's more of a Velma, for sure.

Voluptuous. And I think Harry Hamlin, I would like to see him do Billy Flynn. I think, that would be interesting. So count the Luann in there as the matron Mama Morton, because apparently she was this close to booking that gig. So she says,

so she says, let's be real. She was out here like really saying's be real. She was out here really saying it was happening. She was like, yeah, and I'm doing Chicago. That was Mike Houten's fluent. And I'm doing Chicago. Man, I don't even think that was official. Yeah, I want to see

I want to see Phil of the Future in Next to Normal. Oh my god. Whatever that kid's name is. You want to see, yeah, wow,. Whatever that kid's name is. You want to see, yeah, wow, what is that kid's name? We're going to call him Phil of the Future.

But you want to see sort of a bad Next to Normal. I don't want to see Next to Normal done badly. See these other shows? You can see done badly because it's the camp. Chicago we can see done badly. Next to Normal, did I ever tell you about the time I saw Next to Normal on Broadway? No, but I can't wait to hear about it.

Well, I won the lottery. So you know how you could go like put your name in the lottery? I won. And we got to sit in the Lincoln seats, which I call them, because famously, you know, he sort of, what I'm saying is I was in like that mezzanine box. And I cried harder than I think I've ever cried in my life. Next to my friend Mackenzie, who was like my friend.

We were like sophomores in college. And literally, I wept so hard at Alice Ripley. So anyway, I'm leaving. I thought you'd like to know. Remember her like iconic... Did you see it with her? I didn't see it with her, no. You fucked up.

I saw a summer stock theater production of it. Did you even have a good thing? No. Nobody was good. Nobody was good. It was terrible. What I would give to go back and see some of the stuff that was on Broadway

when we were in New York. What we need to do is get Alice Ripley on TikTok. Because do you remember the YouTube videos? Do you remember the YouTube videos of Alice Ripley just completely losing her mind on a video blog? We need Alice Ripley on TikTok. Yeah, I mean, I think all these actresses of a certain age that are sort of aging out of their types on Broadway,

they should go to TikTok because that's where it's happening. And I do think the Zoomer generation would respond to them because they have the tricks. You know what I mean? Yes. Vocal tricks.

And this is the sort of thing, Alice Rubin can get her tricks across in TikTok like that. Shoshana bean is flopping not being on tiktok well see i was talking more about alice ripley's like spoken word sort of jet fuel can't melt steel beams that sort of name is she is she um is she a denier you know what that's the energy that she brings to those videos. I don't want to say, I don't want to say for sure. I don't want to say with certainty that she is a denier,

but that is definitely the energy, the vibe that she brings to those videos. Oh my God. How iconic to bring 9-11 denier energy. But she's got it. Marion Cotillard. Yeah. There are angels in this city. There are angels in this city and steel doesn't melt like

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. By the way, speaking of Erika Drain, I haven't really gotten to download with you about the housewives of it all. Well, let's do it. What are your fucking thoughts? Is she guilty? She's absolutely guilty.

Have you seen The Hustler and The Housewives? I was waiting to watch it with Sudi. Can you sort of download me? Well, there's really nothing new, except they're both at fault. They're both vile. They're both at fault. They're both vile. They're both evil. It is worth watching the first 15 minutes just to have Danielle Staub try to explain how she knows Erica Jane. Because it's literally like,

she doesn't, she doesn't know Erica Jane. And it's, she's literally like, yeah, we met one time and I, there was something about like, and it's so clear.

She has no idea. They have never, they have no relationship um but that's fun um it is it is worth watching like the first 45 minutes up for sure i don't think you need the full hour and a half but especially because daniel stobb is apparently quite a large part of it and by the way if you didn't think it was gonna happen we already have our front runner for cousin of the week which is danielle staub yeah and she i especially here on long island where i am that is a long island cousin if i've ever seen one absolutely positive

about information she does not have that is and also just her entire state of being i you know what though also i would say alice is definitely in the running for cousin in the week too because she's that she's that older cousin that you still have to call aunt even though she's not really your aunt she's technically your cousin but you call her aunt alice anyways because she's just so much older than everybody else yes because it would feel odd for her to be she's not one of the cousins she certainly doesn't sit at the kids table no no no no no childless husbandless 100 but related and and around i've told you though that like literally when I was younger, I didn't know this until I started watching Real Housewives of New Jersey.

But Melissa Gorga is peak hot cousin energy. Like when you're a little gay boy on Long Island, you want to be Melissa Gorga more than anything else. At least in the past two seasons when she's got like her like sorry but i mean she would admit to this like she's got her work like all the way done and yeah together and settled in and she's like dressing better than ever she is peak cousin energy gorga i mean i don't see that that's not my it's not your culture in the midwest it's not your culture in in the midwest it's not our culture to look like that no it's just not um yeah i'm like we're much more of a uh sweatpants tucked into an uggs like very

platinum blonde right that sort of sort of like a younger sutton strack maybe even like brandy glanville oh tough yeah um. But okay, so Erica Jane, she is guilty as per the Housewives of the Lost. She is absolutely guilty. She knew something. She absolutely knew something. I hate that.

And Andy is protecting her. Andy is protecting her in a way on this show that I, you know he's my king. You know he's my king. Let me tell you something. He's my king too know he's my king let me tell you something he's my king too and it's gonna be a race

you're way ahead of me right now but it's gonna be a race okay we'll see we'll see I love to share boys with you that is fully true but anyway hey king if you're listening

but wait wait wait does the documentary allege that andy is protecting her or do you jill kim booster allege that he is protecting her you watch the documentary and then you watch the show and you're like this show is protecting erica jane like they're giving her this narrative and who knows who knows what turn it's who knows what turns it will take by the end you know i do think garcelle smells a rat i do think that she is on to her a little bit but um i don't know that we're gonna get a ton of of eric jane is guilty on the show itself well erica jane does not like her edit did you hear about this no erica and you know who's by the way you know who's been curiously silent on the erica jane of it all is big meg is big erica jane stan megan mccain curiously silent

now that it seems erica jane may be going to the big house as they call it hmm megan that's why she's leaving the view she she didn't want to comment on it. She was like, I know this is going to become a top story and I have to leave now before it becomes, um, ubiquitous in the culture. Um,

no, no, no. But basically I, my thing is like, if Erica Jane is guilty and she doesn't like her edit, because I guess they show her sort of flaunting her wealth in the early episodes and I think she's unhappy about it all

then does she continue on the show and if she doesn't continue on the show what happens? Does she go to jail? Is it like that bad? Or is it like, you know, non-Felonious, like attached to your like insanely you know

felon husband? I don't know. What is it? You know, something about me is that I'm not a legal expert. And I've been saying that for years. This is why we need a Sonny Hostin on the show. This is why we need a Sonny to cut to and go, can you explain this to us?

But I'm absolutely going to speak out of turn and say, she flips. She flips. She gets a plea bargain she flips she goes back to waiting tables she does erica jane performances on the weekends she loses mikey oh i want the scene where they were where he where she has to fire him i want the scene where she looks at her fucking books realizes she can't keep mikey and has to sort of call him over and in a much more dramatic breakup than anything she could have ever had with tom gerardi has to let mikey go yeah that and it's such a shame because i don't think he's done i don't think he's done with the work that he wants to do like he came back he's got those all-star lips now but i think he wants the teeth too babe i think he wants the teeth i think he wants i i think he's i think he's in this for a long time i think he's in in this for an eventual

eye lift i mean i think i think he's in this for a long haul and i actually i think he's got more to say i think mikey has more to say, and I want him on the team still. I'm just upset. I don't know. I guess I didn't realize I liked Erika Jayne this much, but I really don't want her to be a criminal. I've been done with Erika Jayne for a couple of seasons now. I don't need her on the show.

She gives nothing. What has she given in the last two seasons? She gives nothing. And we've now got Dorit. Dorit gives the looks. Dorit brings the drama. Dorit brings her goofy little accent. We don't need Erica. Yeah, I forget that that's true. And go back and watch that

confrontation on the boat. I showed this to you over quarantine. You're right. This was something. This is what kept us going in quarantine was this confrontation on the boat where I showed this to you over quarantine. You're right. You're right. This is what kept us going in quarantine. Was this confrontation on the boat where Dorit says, you are cold and you bring nothing. And she was right. Dorit, go back and watch that fight on the

China boat. She was right. Dorit was right. Believe all Dorit's. You actually are 100% right that Dorit sort of handled Erica in that moment. And I think I said to you and I that Dorit sort of handled Erica in that moment that I think, and I think I said to you like, and I think Dorit's response was not in Erica's playbook. It's like Erica doesn't

get spoken back to like that. Like when Erica says, when Erica Jane says to anyone, you're jealous of me, the response that she thinks she's going to get is you're right and I'm afraid of you too. And Dorit was like hold on wait pause it all i'm not jealous of you i'm not afraid of you i don't like you why what what is

there to like about you i find you to be really cold and not fun to be around and you're a bully and that was a that was i think that's why dorit is still there today and teddy is not because teddy was shaking like a leaf the whole time. Like a leaf. And without the looks. You have to bring some column A, some column B. She had no columns.

She was collapsed. Talk about your Midwest cousin. That's Teddy Mellencamp. Talk about sweatpants tucked into an Ugg. That's Teddy Mellencamp. That's T. M into an UGG. That's Teddy Mellencamp. That's T. Mellencamp. And we say that with all the love in the world for John Cougar Mellencamp. Where are we

V. Sutton V. Crystal? Okay, so I... Here's the thing. I am a slutton. I am a slutton. I identify as a slutton. Tell me you're that girl. tell me you're that girl tell me you're that girl you're a slut but but i'm not that girl and i was with crystal the entire way throughout that entire thing and i was like crystal to me is killing it she's crushing it

i think that she could eventually one day move to center couch because i think that she will be the one to start in ultimately with kyle or dory and i think she'll be able to handle herself because i think she's smart i think she's rich in a real way i think she can back up everything she says and i think she's and i say this with all the love in the world for her a fucking bitch she. A bitch. She's a bitch. She is a bitch. And I think it's aspirational. She genuinely believes in her heart of hearts. Ultimately, I could walk away from Sutton right now, and she would think about it forever,

and I could get over it, and I kind of am. I just think she sort of overplayed her hand here, re the Sutton walking into her bedroom of it all I think that she is gonna learn from this because I think she went a little too far and gave them

fodder with this thing of the violating of it all like Crystal being like Sutton walked into my bedroom and I wasn't dressed and it was a violation that language is going to give these white women who are like super concerned about cancellation and super like that's a very that's a very damning accusation. That's a very big word that you're throwing around there, Crystal. Like she's going to give them ammunition to be like shame on you for making Crystal seem to be this person. And actually, even Garcelle

thought it was too much and I was really hoping for an alliance there and it almost happened Crystal would have been smarter to harp more on Sutton's I don't see race issue and less on the violation issue

it would have been a better play I think it just got exhausting for her though that plotline I wouldn't want to continue that plotline either would you? Like to be the one on the violation issue. It would have been a better play. I think it just got exhausting for her, though, that plotline. I wouldn't want to continue that plotline either, would you? No. To be the one on the show that's having to handle someone that is so much less. It's like this with Dr. Tiffany Moon on Dallas. I think she got so bogged down in the Brandy storyline. And then also with, what's her face?

Cameron. And you're talking about women who are i'm sorry but so much dumber than her that it's like at a certain point you have to feel shitty for even like allowing yourself to continue the storyline because it's not going to go anywhere because you're not playing with people with a full deck and i think that crystal saw the way that sutton was responding to all of everything crystal was saying about like just trying to walk it back and being like you can't be a person that says i don't see race that's not the way we do things anymore like i understand that my situation is more different is more more

difficult and i think she just realized that sutton was not operating at a level where she could get that in that moment or at all. I mean, these women need hazard pay. Every person of color on a show that is predominantly white on one of these franchises deserves hazard pay for the educating that they have. They are backed into a corner

to do. They have no choice but to do it. But we have to stop talking about Housewives. The one thing I want to... First of all, why do you say that to me? I'm just aware of people who listen to this show who don't watch the Housewives.

Oh, why? Because they live in San Francisco? I know people who don't live in San Francisco who also don't listen to the Housewives. I want to say one more thing, which is that I couldn't give a shit less about New York this season. Yeah. Yeah. Leah really overplayed

her hand. She really overplayed her hand. This happens with second season. This happens all the time with girls who have good first seasons or good seasons even. They go in high on their own supply. They think their shit don't stink. they think they can get away with anything they think they can say anything including i'm not gonna vote in the 2020 election and she lost me she lost me no that was that was that was definitely a flashback to a very bad emotional time for all

of us when we were dealing with people like Leah who were like these gorgeous rich white blonde women who are like I'm just so fucking pissed at the whole thing I'm like I'm probably not gonna vote I'm just like you oh it's tough oh it's tough and I think because she presents as so cool she gets away with a lot of shit. A lot of shit. The coolness of it all is so manufactured that it just... The cracks are showing this season.

The cracks are showing in a way where it's like... And also, just go fucking home. I'm so tired of her being like, my grandmother is dying and I have to be on this vacation right now go home bitch go home just go home all right you know what moving away from this what how would you rate your excitement level from on a one through ten scale for black widow because i don't know about my own number. Really?

I would have thought you would be an eight or a nine. Because I'm fairly an eight, I would say. But are you like a... Are you a Black Widow fan? I'm a lady fan. Same. I'm a prestige actress fan. So you would consider... And we're getting three of them in one movie that's true that's true and we did hear lewis did say that he felt the movie was not

bad but i think for lewis that's huge yeah because he hates marvel but um rachel weiss didn't have a lot to do florence is fun and scarlet it kind of just does what she does which is honestly what I was expecting from this I guess I think that maybe the Black Widow I just don't find her to be the most compelling Marvel character and I think that you kind of know what she's been through already right yeah I mean the thing is is she's sort of a utility player narratively you know like she they slot her in in a lot of spaces in the movie and and she does she serves a function in each movie that is sort of like immaterial to her character like she plays a very specific role in um winter soldier she plays a much different role in

yeah she's she plays you know it does they do sort of like use her for whatever they need in that movie specifically and i just think that like there is not a lot of there there yet because we haven't had a movie that focuses on her yet here's a question i have for you as someone who is a major and marvel fan and someone that watches it very closely and knows it from different angles, not just the movies. Do you think that the character of the Black Widow is used movie to movie in a way that is truthful to her character because she's looking for connection and looking for a family? Or do you think that Scarlett Johansson is often placed in these movies because they want some sort of will they or won't they with whoever the male lead is of that movie because when i watched winter soldier there's like a few moments like especially this moment in the car there's like this actually kind of cool moment and and for

the marvel movies um at that point anyway in the winter soldier where um uh captain america and the black widow are driving in the car and it's a really quiet scene there's like this like sort of like slow song playing on the radio and they're having this like conversation about like um like uh where they belong in the world and it's like sort of romantic and i'm like are are they intimating that that's a thing and then also there's like a huge romantic plot line throughout the movies with the hulk and black widow and they even kiss. And then in Avengers Endgame, famously her last scene, spoiler alert, is with

Hawkeye played by Jeremy Renner and it's intimated that they also have had a romantic history. I don't think that that's quite as clear. I think that they have always, that's one of the consistencies I think from... It's very loaded. It's very charged. from Age of Ultron

is that they're very close like what is it like Budapest or whatever they reference a couple of times in the movies like this is just like Budapest or some shit like I do think that they have like a closeness I think that they have both similarly like dark pasts that only they

are aware of but I don't think I don't think the endgame thing was supposed to be romantic. You don't think there was any hint? No, I think it was familiar. I think it was completely familiar. Interesting. Because, yes, Hawkeye

in the movies is very much with Linda Cardellini. Linda Cardellini. One of the biggest wastes, I would say, second biggest wastes of a great actress in the Marvel Universe. And you know what number one is. Rachel McAdams. I've said it on this podcast before, I'll say it again.

We need to get her new agents. Who is repping Rachel McAdams? Yeah, I think that Rachel McAdams suffers from I think she suffers from fifth choice syndrome i think that on for this i've said this on this podcast before i think that rachel mcadams doesn't deserve this at all but i think this is what happens with her i think that she's so good at everything and she had that breakout moment in like 2004 where she was like the lead of the

notebook and the lead and regina george and she was in red eye and she was like so likable and amazing in um wedding crashers and then she was in family stone and did this great character performance and i believe had supporting actress buzz for that and was just everywhere that i think people didn't see her in a specific enough way and i think they didn't know what movies to really either write for her or push her for or whatever. So what happened was she sort of became this person who was like on everyone's list, but not first. And she also sort of popped off in the Jennifer Lawrence era. And so this, I just think what happened to her is there weren't enough good parts for women at that time in film.

And she was specifically popping off in film. And it would be a few years until that was a little bit better and it's still not that much better because now TV is queen TV is queen she had her opportunity on TV though I know it wasn't her fault

but like why haven't we been where's her Mera Vistel it's gotta be coming it's gotta be coming it's gotta to be coming. It's got to be coming. It's got to be coming because think about how on paper she's made every right decision in the world. It's true. And,

and, and, and if mean girls came out today, she would have been nominated for a hundred percent. You know, we're so much kinder now to not only just comedic performances, but also comedic performances from women. I mean, like that Melissa McCarthy nomination was like huge.

And they always did this. I mean, to be honest with you, like if there were going to be broad comedy performances honored, like it would happen in that category. I mean, all the way going back to like Cactus Flower with Goldie Hawn or like, you know, Marissa Tomei and My Cousin Vinny, like always, yes. But high school, never.

I do think it would be better would be better now i think you're right in what we call the hailey steinfeld era and she had to ride a fucking horse she had to ride a horse she had to do that goofy accent i think you know and i i just watched clueless again today oh britney murphy absolutely mercy I have said this. I said this across the table from my friend, our friend Matt Whitaker, and he scoffed in my face. I said, if Brittany Murphy were alive today, she would have been nominated for

an Oscar. She would have had a crossover moment. She is, she was the moment, and she continues to be the moment. You are 100% right, Jill Kim Booster, and it's why you've been on this podcast 700 times and why you are an Icon Award winner. Aren't you?

Are you a Las Coturistas Icon Award winner? I think Pat's won it like three times. I don't think I have won it. I have an announcement. As of tonight, Joel Kim, you have won the Las Coturistas Icon Award for coming in on the clutch, and you are going to get a gift.

This is really exciting because for saying, do you want to give a quick speech? Yeah, I would like to thank the Wi-Fi in the Dominican Republic for keeping going off this podcast. I would like to thank Matt for needing to fill time and forgetting that I hadn't won the award in the first place and mistakenly believing that I had. And I'd like to thank, of course, Brittany Murphy

for being sort of the launching pad of my greatest take on this podcast that I've probably said on the podcast before. But it's been a year and a half since I've really needed to comment on culture so please wrap up okay they're playing me off there really are angels in this city wow that oscar song is so iconic isn't it that like we all know it um wait okay so britney murphy 100 would have been at least nominated for an oscar at this point and i really think she would be prestige tv actress in the vein of elizabeth

moss because i believe that she missed her moment to really show us what she could do when there was going to be a lot more opportunity for her because every single time she was in anything she scored. Weren't you there when we just watched Drop Dead Gorgeous? Yeah. Incredible in that. And no one thinks of her when they think of that movie. No. Nobody thinks of Amy Adams either. Listen, we talk about Kirstie Alley.

We talk about Kirstie Alley. We really do. But what we do not talk about with Kirstie Alley is Kirstie Alley turning to Amy Adams on the set of Drop Dead Gorgeous and saying, you need to move to L.A. And Kirstie Alley is the reason we have Arrival, is the reason we have Junebug, is the reason we have the worst parts of Julie and Julia. Is the reason. She is the reason. And so, yes, Kirstirstie alley is a kook

yes she is a scientologist but i think karmically she balanced things out by giving us amy she also unfortunately turns that fucking movie all the way out she's so good and she's also so good and it takes two oh my god i fucking love it takes two steve gutenberg and her hot also steve gutenberg hot what the fuck is he yes yes literally yes look it up he feels like the only like the kind of hot that is only hot in the 90s like that men don't like don. Men don't look like that. You know what? He's that type of young Jerry Seinfeld attractive

where you're like, sure, you bang these women. You know what I mean? Sure, sure, sure. And you're attracted to him despite yourself sort of because you've been conditioned to. Big conversation incoming. You know who's sort of an analog to that,

I would say? Who's sort of the Steve Gut gutenberg of today john reynolds john reynolds has the very same vibe where i would i would fuck the shit out of john reynolds but i would let him fuck me but he he does have that same gutenberg young seinfeld young billy crystal i never got billy crystal until i saw when harry met sally oh yeah You know what's funny? He's way out of his league in that movie, but you still get it. You really do still get it. And like, you ever seen City Slickers?

No. He is that kind of like, like a blue jean, New York, like curmudgeon vibe. Hair has been receding probably since he was eight years old. That vibe where you're still like i'd still fuck you and i also think i this is annoying to say but like in the 90s like whenever jerry steinfeld had those like hot girlfriends whenever he was dating like terry hatcher like peak terry hatcher in the 90s i didn't question a thing i was like yeah for sure they're fucking him absolutely but okay wait this is what I wanted to say so speaking of Haley

Steinfeld and Black Widow so this is relative to you and your interests you know that Haley Steinfeld is MCU because you know she's the new Hawkeye I did know that

I think that's amazing is it Kate Bishop is that who she's the new Hawkeye. I did know that. I think that's amazing. Is it Kate Bishop? Is that who she's playing? She's Kate Bishop. And did you know that one of the sort of fun crossovers that's happening in the MCU series is Florence Pugh is in the Hawkeye series. So this sort of lends to my point earlier

about the Black Widow and Hawkeye connection of it all, because you know that Florence P was going to show up sort of, I guess, the long lost sister of Scarlett Natasha Romanoff. And you know that Jeremy Renner is going to give his classic like steely eyed glances over at her like, why is this girl reminding me of someone from my past? I mean, I hope I hope we don't get that i hope that they make a better choice but i can absolutely see that happening and i think speaking of hayley steinfeld is front runner for title of app speaking of hayley steinfeld dot dot dot that's a front runner for title of app and that is how i know that you truly were the person to come here because you know to offer the title of app. Speaking of Haley Steinfeld, dot, dot, dot, parentheses with special old with ultra special guest, Jill Kim Booster. Can I congratulate you, by the way?

I'm so excited for you. The Fire Island movie is going to be incredible and can i say uh with the gentleman i'm seeing i recently just just watched bride and prejudice yes and i loved it and i most i i also ordered i ordered a special fresh copy of pride and prejudice um and i'm gonna watch the kira version as well and i'm like watching all these. I love, and I can't wait to watch it again. And I'm just like really soaking into the story again. God damn. What a fucking classic that is.

And how, how well it works to map it onto the situation that you're mapping it on. I want to know just like, not to like really seriously interview, but like what made you think of that? Honestly, it happened in like 2015 when we were there for the first time it was the book that i brought to read

and i was literally just in the midst of reading pride and prejudice looking around at this island and looking at the ways in which like our culture is sort of compressed in a very like specific way on the island there are no straight. There are no straight people. There are no straight people except the teenage girls that work in the canteen. Which are my favorite girls. And I'm so excited to see them next week. All my Amandas. They need a Bravo reality

show. A hundred percent. It's insane to say Fire Island needs a show, but it needs to be about the straight girls who work in the pantry. But those of you who know, just it's insane to say like fire island needs a show but it needs to be about the straight girls who work in the pantry but those of you who know know those girls have seen it all they've seen it all you know those were all my girlfriends in high school all my girlfriends in high school i'm talking about allison i'm talking about alex i'm talking about both emily's i'm talking about

sam i'm talking about kate i'm talking about britney i'm talking about lorianne all of them worked in the ocean Bay Park market. And they were those girls in the loose buns. Their hair slopped up in a loose bun with an oversized sweatshirt, pre-Ariana, wearing Nike slides and socks. Looking like green M&M. Literally. And also sort of a little bit of makeup from the night before.

And lacrosse shorts sleepy all day from 6am when they get there to 5pm when they leave or switch over with another girl named the same name as them I'm telling you so yes you are 100% right they are the only straight women there continue your point

anyways no and it just like listen Jane Austen if you read it again i know many of us were forced to read jane in high school and it didn't and many people didn't connect i didn't connect with it until i was in college but like her social observations are so prescient and and especially the ways in which we conceal the harm that we do to each other under social niceties and it is so gay it is just so gay like she created she clocked

what shade is before we had a word for it Carolyn Bingley was the original you know Leomi that is rule of culture number 54 Carolyn Bingley was the original Naomi.

Oh my God. Iconic. But no, and I just, I literally, I was like the ways in which class sort of map onto the way in which class map like exists in the gay community, not just class as we know it, like financially,

but I think like looking a certain way is its own sort of class race is its own sort of class in our community and like it just you know it started as a joke it literally started as a joke i would joke about it constantly and i'm gonna write a movie about fire island that takes place on on or uh that is a Pride and Prejudice remake. And I never meant to do it. And then a while ago, I wrote an essay about Jane Austen and Pride and Fire Island and my agent. And literally the only good thing my agent has ever done,

David, I hope you're listening to this. And I hope you know that I think you've done nothing for my career except for this one thing. But he read that essay and he was like, you should make this a show. And I was like, that is the dumbest thing you've ever said never talk to me again nobody will ever read that and then on a plane ride to japan i wrote a sex script um for what was originally going to be a

show and then eventually um i you know things happened and i sold it to quibi and the rest is history and the rest remember oh do i ever yeah you know what's funny is like when when quibi launched i was like i'm so happy we're one of the first and now i'm like god joel really dodged a bullet by not being one of the first to launch with quibi because honestly had you this come out with Quibi, it doesn't get made at Hulu with Fox Searchlight. It is incredible. I mean, yes, the pandemic did take my father, but did it give me a movie at Hulu? It

did, absolutely. So it all really evens out in the end. Also, I recently went home with a guy and he turned on his TV and the Roku thing came up and I was like, oh my god, you have Roku! And I was actually not as excited about it.

I was sort of like, oh my god, you have Roku? But in the back of my head, I was like, we could watch a Clivia original on this. You know what you could have watched? A game show. All episodes of season one streaming on Roku. But I don't think it's necessarily a horny show. And singled Out.

Yeah, I have to say, I was one of those people that in high school, I believe in my AP comp, or AP lit. Smart genius. Very much a genius. Get this.

I did win in my grade. I won the English award. I was the best English student in my class says the English department okay says the English department not me don't get mad at me don't make don't write me letters write the write the AP lit department or the English department at Isle High School letters okay from from you know however many years ago 2008 as I shrivel and die um but I did read Pride and Prejudice, and it kind of missed me. And then in reading your piece about it that you wrote, and then in reading the script, honestly,

I really sought it out again, and I watched the movie again, which I, of course, watched when it came out and enjoyed. I would watch any movie that has has Oscar buzz or any movie with Keira Knightley. I do love her. But I've really found myself enjoying it more and more and more. And like your script, too. I've just enjoyed so much because what I love about it and what I'm so excited for everyone to see is that it's extremely truthful to the experience of being on Fire Island and the experience of being, I think, a gay man and a group of gay friends, and especially a gay man and a group of gay friends that's been a group of friends for a long time.

And there's been changes to that. It does feel like that mapping of the, forgive me, but chosen family onto the actual family really tracks. And it's onto the actual family really tracks. And it's just going to be really fun. And I just don't know that we've had like a definitive, and not that it has to be definitive at all. It doesn't, and it's not trying to be, but I think it'll be really fun to have this movie take place here because there's history in the story that we're telling and there's also

history in the place we're telling it so i think it's really exciting joely and i'm really happy for you i'm proud of you i'm very excited it is it's the biggest thing to ever happen in my life and i'm nervous and i'm scared but i'm mostly i'm mostly really excited you know like I this is the year of Joel it is the year it is the night and I refuse to accept otherwise I will get everything I want I will get every single fucking thing that I want yeah baby you deserve it um well then right after that you're gonna go what shoot your fucking show loot with Maya Rudolph what the fuck is this three days three days after we wrap i start shooting that show um which is on apple it is on apple it is stars by a rudolph it's alan yang um i i don't think i'm speaking out of turn when i say that they wrote the part for me which is really fucking nice awesome um there's lines about being gay and asian and from illinois in the side so i read it and i was

like well if i don't book this, then there's a problem. We have a bigger problem than that. That's a real shame. You find out that's the thing I book. Then everyone gets really mad. Um, but yeah,

it was, um, it was a lot and, I really needed it cause I was really coming down from a lot of Molly when I found out, um, I was coming down. I was really coming down from a lot of Molly when I found out I was coming down I here's a fun peek behind the curtain when I shot my episode of iCarly completely

in a comedown just yeah I remember that actually I believe what was that after what event was that after because I think that was after that was after my friend Chris's 30th birthday in San Diego which is Florida of the US just it is incredible. We tried to play volleyball.

We tried to play volleyball on the beach, and the straight reaction to a bunch of gay men playing volleyball was such that it was either people making fun of us, or people being like, oh my god! Yes! Yes! Go for it! Yes!

It is okay that what you're doing is okay so great doing is okay can i ask you questions yeah we know we're playing fucking volleyball you freaks just to drive home like that that san diego is the florida of the west coast like are there jet skis there oh yeah then oh yeah then it might specifically be the Tampa of the West Coast which higher praise I cannot give and the West Coast needs a Tampa that's for sure

every coast needs a Tampa every coast needs a Tampa well you know actually famously the Gulf Coast has a Tampa and then I guess the East Coast really doesn't what's the Tampa of the East Coast might be Fire Island. It might be Fire Island.

By the time I get there anyway. You can make anything Tampa. I truly can. I've never been on a jet ski. What? Okay. Speaking of jet skis, have you been watching Loki?

Okay. And this I wanted to touch on with you. Have not. But that's only because I've sort of been traveling a lot and like i don't have my i don't have disney plus on my computer i guess i could obviously easily log on to it but i kind of want to watch it like in the comfort of my own home on my apple tv plus can you sort of explain to me and the readers uh about lo Loki being bisexual? And how does this connect with the themes of the piece?

I don't think... Why is he bi? It is not connected. I think it just tracks with the character. He's, you know, a trickster god, and as we know, bisexuals trick people. They are chaotic tricksters. They are chaotic tricksters. Should I make that a rule of

culture yes you should okay fine but i'm easily convinced rule of culture number 54 bisexuals are chaotic chaotic tricksters into a canon um jk that's in the rule megan megan mccain if you're out there that's in the rule book oh i you're out there that's in the rule I see her off screen she's shaking her head no she threw her pen on the ground oh it's not a pen it's a quill anyway go ahead Joel anyways yeah it doesn't have anything

to do with the plot he mentions like fucking guys and girls and it's. That's it. That's literally it. Alright. Interesting. And so. But it's great. I think it's one. I think texturally

it feels much different than anything else in the MCU because you know they have the house style. I think that like there are a lot of fun characters in it. I think there's a lot of fun performances in it. I think Owen Wilson a lot of fun performances in it. I think Owen Wilson is a lot of fun in it. I think there's an iconic character named Miss Minutes in it.

Miss Minutes. Miss Minutes, babe. And she is voiced by one Tara Strong. You've got to get into it. How's Gugu in it? Gugu? How do you solve a problem like Gugu? I think easily. I think

you just keep giving her parts because something's going to work. And I actually think she was incredible on The Morning Show. And also, readers, if you haven't watched Beyond the Lights, you've got to watch Beyond the Lights. Have you seen Beyond the Lights? Incredible and Beyond the Lights. Amazing. And I love Gina Prince-Bythewood. I love everything she does. Very fun. And Miss Sloan,

if you've seen that. We have not found a home for google no and i don't think it's loki i don't think it's loki we still need to try like we are she is the glass slipper and we are traveling around the television landscape trying to find the correct genre and role for google you know You know, maybe Gugu is just a character actress that we see plugged in places. I mean, there could be worse things. Laura Dern was that for many years

and then all of a sudden she became Laura Dern. Maybe we're just far away from the Gugu-sants. Yeah. I think we'll get there. I mean, she looks incredible. She looks like she has an age today. She's a beautiful, beautiful woman. Shocking. She looks like she has an age today. She's a beautiful, beautiful woman. Shocking.

So what does she do in the show? She's sort of a boss. She's like the boss of Owen Wilson. She is a middle manager. She's a middle manager, which again feels like sort of a waste. She does get some action. It's fun to see Gugu in action.

It's fun to see her wield a action it's fun to see her see her wield a sword you know you love to see gugu wield a sword sure hate to pivot this harshly away from gugu and maybe the fact that i am is telling but um would we fuck owen wilson in it absolutely yeah i would i would almost always fuck him yeah depressed or not depressed it doesn't matter i would i would fuck Owen Wilson. Yeah, for sure. I've thought that way.

You know, a sexually formative memory for me is the bathtub scene in Shanghai noon. I literally knew you were going to say that because that was probably, we were what? Uh, 14. Um, I,

if you were 14, I was slightly older, but I think I was younger than that because okay i had i had never seen myself reflected on screen an asian a hot asian man in a bathtub naked with a hot white man you know and that is my experience that is my lived experience and it was so beautiful for me to see that reflected back to me honestly do you think that Jackie Chan got hate DMs from being photographed, filmed even in a bathtub with a white man? I think he probably did.

I think he probably did. I think he probably invented Instagram. People invented Instagram so that just so that they could DM Jackie Chan about that scene in Shanghai. Hmm. Hmm. Where is Jackie now? You know what? I don't know. Probably too old for all of it.

He was in a movie recently called The Foreigner, which is unfortunate. That's rough. Yeah, it's sort of not where you want to see Jackie Chan now but he's still kicking it he's still around still kicking it

yeah like he kicks a cinder block right in half in so many of his films anyway what else are you watching can I tell you this is one reason why I'm really upset that Bowen couldn't log on is because he has been getting really into in treatment and have you watched in treatment i

i saw this on bowen's story and i thought to myself i should watch in treatment but instead i turned on cbs's evil instead oh god i never want to watch something on CBS even The Good Wife? The Good Wife I would watch slash get into and I would even do that with The Good Fight but I just feel like it is too many episodes of too long we have reached a point now where you tell somebody that is 7 seasons and

22 episodes per season and it's untenable unless there's another pandemic, unless there's another shutdown. No one's doing that. No one. Baby, I can barely get through a limited series 10 episodes.

That's long to me now. Now it's like I need things to be 6 or 7 in a hot 46 minutes like Ms. Mare. But nowadays it's like I could never I think The Good Wife is the last prestige show that was like, on network,

24 episodes of a full-length hour show that people are like, you could still watch this and enjoy. No one's watching Lost now. No, people are not doing it. No. You need to have Pat Regan on to talk about manifestos

but you know what you know what really secured me of my attention span recently that i was that i watched um is steven universe have you seen no what is that steven universe is it's a cartoon by rebecca sugar it is the episodes are 11 minutes long, if that. Okay. And it starts out, it seems very simple. It seems like very tropey. It is like you watch the first episodes and they sort of drop you in to the middle of the story. It's about a little boy who is a gem and then his three like ant figures who are also gems and they protect the world. And it's like, if you've seen Sailor Moon, you get the vibe almost immediately. And it just is so brilliant

how over the course of five seasons, they layer in little bit by bit. And you think you're watching a standalone show. You think you're watching sort of like an Adventure Time nonsense, like every episode is self-contained and it restarts and the stakes restart at each episode but you slowly realize that the show is like building upon its own lore

in until a point at which by the end of it it is one of the it is one of the most brilliant things i've ever seen and there's a movie and there's music that the voice talent on this show patty lapone nikki minaj amy man this is crazy estelle estelle is one of the main voice actors on this show? Patti LuPone. Nicki Minaj. Amy Mann. This is crazy. Estelle. Estelle is one of the main voice actors. And the show is queer as hell. There are so many trans allegories in it. There are literal lesbians kissing on the show.

Steven Universe. And how do we watch it? It's on HBO Max. Okay, I love that. Now you're talking my my language speaking of it go go well i was gonna say speaking of hbo max i got to watch space jam too early what because you've got to save our son that joel i screamed you need to win this game and get our son back. I was, by the way, that is Soniqua Martin-Green from Star Trek Discovery committing all the way.

She's from the Sarah Paulson school of bad script and full 100% commitment. She serves every inch of this playing lebron's wife so space jam 2 is pretty much exactly space jam 1 but you drag and drop like all new references for the old one so it's like the the it's it's just it's it's just so funny because it's literally the same but it was fun i guess i mean and the reason i watched it is because and this is my announcement to the readers um i'm going to be hosting hbo max movie club which is a podcast presented by iheart and hbo max which uh is going to feature me and some special guests perhaps we're even looking at one um talking about movies that are on the hbmx platform that

are coming out that are classic movies on the platform um i'm actually doing um do you like keanu reeves yeah love you okay so maybe you'll come on for my keanu episode that i'm doing um so that we they want to do an all keanu episode so it's going to be like point break matrix speed you know all the girls that are on the um platform so maybe you'll come on for my keanu episode because i was gonna have joel kim on to talk about the movie freaky because one thing i said to these people so basically it's like i'm watching all these movies and then hosting with comedian friends of mine or like you know uh people from that that actually made the movie it's gonna be to be really, really cool. Actors, directors, whatever. And it starts

very soon. But I told them when they asked me to do the gig, I was like, just so you know, it's like a thing. I cannot watch scary movies. Oftentimes, even suspense thrillers, I can't really get through because it makes me too anxious.

And I told them this and then they were like, it's fine. Nothing on it makes me too anxious and i i told them this and then they were like it's fine nothing on the list is too scary and then they go okay so week two is gonna be freaky flashback to when you and i were at jared's house and you guys i think tricked me like but like by some bisexuals it was always always always in the plan no i didn't know jared's house specifically to watch freaky well all i know is it was on for i think about 45 seconds before i left the house i was like i cannot do this you actually you were there for longer than 45 minutes you got up and you second behind the couch behind the couch a distance away several yards away around a corner and you watch the

opening uh scenes of freaky from around a corner i got the fuck out of there despite the fact that both of them told me if you leave we're going to be really mad and i was like well i'm it's worth it to get into fights with my friends than to sit here. Because I don't know what it is, readers. I really, and it's not like, it hasn't always been like this. I think just, I just get really anxious watching scary movies. I don't know what it is. And you're talking to someone who loves haunted houses. I've been skydiving.

Like, I do quote-unquote scary stuff. I mean, I'm out here in the world. You know, and I just, but I told them, I was like, I really can't do really can't do scary movies and then they were like okay well the second week is freaky and i was like okay well i know exactly who to get on someone that's seen the movie and watched what happened to me when i tried to watch it but now that episode is postponed and they want to do a keanu episode instead so i'm happy to hear that you love keanu because you'll come on oh and we can watch much ado about nothing one of my favorite keanu reeves performance and it's complicated oh yeah little known keanu vehicle that would be really funny is if we did a keanu reeves episode but we didn't do the matrix or john wick or any of his big movies we did much ado about

nothing and it's yeah and it's. And this is like earlier in his career when he could like sort of, and I say this with love, but barely act and it wasn't like part of it yet. It was like, there was like Keanu in the beginning, like they were giving him roles

and they were like, oh, he'll like learn to act. And then he never did. And everyone was like, but now it's part of it. But in the beginning of his career, I remember he was in Dracula and he says the word Europe, like Europe. And it's iconic. it. But in the beginning of his career, I remember he was in Dracula and he says the word Europe,

like Europe. And it's iconic. I watched it in high school and I loved it. And I love Keanu. So, but anyway, it's great that I get to tell you all that I'm doing this podcast,

which I hope you listen to as well. It'll be really fun. Of course, I am qualified to do this as someone who was once told by Bowen Yang that I maybe should think about getting a letterboxd. So this is me now hosting a movie podcast. I don't get Letterboxd. What is Letterboxd?

I think it's just for fags to sort of jump on and review shit. Okay. You know? Isn't this sort of your Letterboxd? The reason I was talking about this was because the first episode is Space Jam 2. That's why I was talking about it.

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So at this point in the episode, about an hour and 16 minutes in is when I say, Bowen, shouldn't we do I Don't Think So, Honey? And he usually says, yes. So now I'm going to say to you, Joel Kim, should we do I Don't Think So, Honey? Yes, I guess. I'm still unclear about what mine is going to be again melatonin I was asked to do this

at the last minute I'm in a cold I'm in a weird headspace everybody has to just chill out everybody just chill out I don't think that you're going to get negative feedback for I don't think you possibly could I mean think about what a high you're on

you're doing the movie you got this show with maya you got um fucking you're you've survived the gay cold you got san francisco friends who are cooler than the ones you had before i mean so much is going well for you and you're also going to get to hear my i don't think so honey which of course is going to happen first as it always does you know i don, honey. Yes, is a one minute sort of rant, really. A fevered manner of speech where Bowen and I and a guest and tonight Joel and I go off, in quotes, as the kids say,

on an item of culture that we don't like very much. And today I was talking to some gays in a group thread and I realized that um there's something in the culture that's been happening since the beginning of live performance that i don't think so honey and so i'm thrilled to present it to you today okay matt rogers your i don't think so honey time starts now i don't think so, honey. Standing ovations. Bitch, sit the fuck down. I cannot see over your fucking head, which is now so high.

You need to get in your seat. That's why it's there. What is that good that you need to stand for? I don't think so, honey. Standing up and clapping, because guess what? Not everyone around you wants to do that, and now you've forced them to because it's custom. I don't think so, honey.

At the Cannes Film Festival, whenever something is half good, it gets a 10-minute standing ovation. That movie Annette with Abby Driver and Marion Cotillard, it was reported that it got over six minutes standing ovation. Bitch, peers need to sit the fuck down, okay? If I wanted to see a bunch of racist clap, I would go to a toby keith concert which is a joke i said in said group chat today which got zero likes which is a bummer because i actually thought it was pretty good and so i'm repeating it here on the podcast i don't think so honey standing ovations i want to sit my thighs hurt my calves hurt and most importantly my feet hurt so i don't want to stand on them i don't think so honey and that's one minute how did you

feel about that i felt great about that and you know i love i love when it's about culture you know i love when it's a of the culture you know you have a lot of notes when it's not i do you know i'm a purist i think it should be something related to film, television, movies, dance. Dance is a big one. Film, television, movies, dance. Yeah, I agree. I mean, you know what? If someone slays a dance, you can stand ovation for them.

But that's really all. But I think my I don't think so, honey, is not going to be directly related to culture. You're going to go against your own rules. Well, you know, I famously did I don't think so, honey, when you fart and a little bit of cum comes out yeah i remember you did that in front of my parents yeah and that was one of my most iconic i don't think so honeys and it did not pass me through to the next yeah that was the iconic readers some of you who've joined the process um of listening to this podcast late might not know that bowen and i once did an i don't Think So Honey competition at Clusterfest in San Francisco that was judged by Alaska Thunderfuck and Jinx Monsoon. And I thought they really flopped in their decision making when they did not pass through Joel Kim Booster, who

said, I don't think so, honey, when you fart and a little bit of cum comes out in front of my father, Richard, my mother, Katrina, and my sister, Chelsea Ryan. Who, speaking of standing ovations, your dad stood up. Yeah. I think that they all really liked it. I'm incredible with parents. Yeah, they love you. And I'll tell them that you said hello, even though

you didn't. I always say hello to Tina. Her name is Trina. I know. I'm kidding know i'm kidding i'm kidding coach and tina coach and trina um joel thinks i'm from new jersey more than he thinks i'm from long island i think he i think i say it because i know right now yeah okay um okay so on this episode of i don't think so honey that um has been so kindly saved by joel kim um i am honored to sort of flip the phone in his direction um and press start for what will be a thrilling i don't think so honey from one of the best um robbed on the clusterfest competition of i don't think so honey And here he is, everyone.

It's Joel Kim Booster and his I Don't Think So Honey starts now. I Don't Think So Honey long text messages. I do not want to see a wall of text pop up on my phone. That little ding that my phone does, it is for tiny little messages. Where are you? BRB. What are you doing? Want to come over?

That is it, honey. If I have to scroll through my phone to read the entirety of the message, I don't think so, honey. Bring that wall down. Make it an email. Okay. If you have to put paragraph indentations in your text message, it is too long. If I have to scroll, it's too long. Even break it up.

Break it up into smaller chunks even. It's less aggressive to see a smaller chunk of a text message. These messages were not meant to be long, okay? I am like the fucking Jericho. Bring the wall down. Mr. Gorbachev, I do not want to see the wall that is the quote and i am leaving it there stop sending long text messages make it a phone call and that's one minute i i disagree making a phone call i almost never want to get on the phone

i don't like talking on the phone but but i will say this you must love my texting because it's a lot of short things sometimes I'll just be like I'll just like if I were texting right now what I'm saying it would be truly eight texts like the word like will be its own text for me so I'm really happy that that's I love seeing a cluster of

white I love seeing or blue I love seeing a cluster I love seeing a cluster of white, Joel Kim Booster, fresh off a vacation. Drag him. I love seeing a cluster of white for our title of that. Cluster of white.

Has good news ever been communicated in a long text message? No. Is something kind, edifying, ever been, it's usually someone who's like, i just want to be honest with you whenever i'm sending a a a something over text it all has to be one because i don't want to give them the opportunity to interject so i think that's why you see a long text message happen because I want all the information to come out before I get sort of derailed, sidetracked, misunderstood

by someone interjecting mid-text. So I think that's why you sort of may receive like an email type thing from people. Don't defend him. Wow. Is this what happened a couple hours ago? No, no, no. That was professional? Oh.

Well, I'm trusting that you figured it out. Yeah. Good. You have to meet people where they are. Period. Great. Well, listen, I've learned a lot. I feel we did exchange words on the culture. I have to say that this was edifying

educational you taught people about what did you teach about before again I don't know I'm not a melatonin bitch listen I feel like you didn't make a catchphrase with me I feel like you didn't use any of the catchphrases with me we did so many rules of culture

I feel like you didn't say you understand I feel like you didn't say you understand. I feel like you didn't say you didn't create new vernacular with me. Stop dragging me. I think that this episode is going to be one of the best. I think people are going to be like, wow. To know.

To know what the girls are capable of when tragedy befalls. And let me just say what happened to Bowen. Bowen is off in the Dominican Republic for reasons I don't think I can disclose, but they're good reasons. They're very cool reasons and good reasons. And wouldn't you believe it?

The Wi-Fi at his hotel in the DR, not so great. And so he sort of hopped on and we sort of got very sort of Bowen uh bowen yang is frustrated energy with the with the wi-fi and i said you know what i'm just going to nip this in the bud right now and call someone that i know at least was available before because they asked me to hang out and that was you joel kim and i'm so happy that i did because not only did i get to spend time with my sister but i got to provide the readers with an excellent episode co-hosted by one of our great minds.

Can I tell you a story really quickly that the Dominican Republic just reminded me of? Because our friend Bowen is in the Dominican Republic and one of my friends, Sandra Bullock, is also in the Dominican Republic right now. And she somehow is now friends with one of our mutual friends who listened to Ayo Adebore's podcast, Iconoclasts, where she listened to my episode of Iconoclasts, where I talk about Sandra Bullock. And texted her a breakdown of what I said in the episode and whether or not it was right or wrong.

All the questions I asked about Sandra. And the one negative thing I said about Sandra Bullock, the one negative thing I said, I said the only bad things Sandra Bullock has ever done is the Minions movie. Minions. She should not do voiceover. And she said in response to that,

your friend Joel is absolutely correct. I fall apart in the booth. And I've never done it again. I fall apart in the booth. See, that is so shocking to me. You think she'd come alive in the booth? No, she needs another person there. I see it for her.

I see it. You know, I'm going to say this about myself. I come alive in the booth. I do too. I love the booth. I love the i come alive in the booth i do too i love the booth i love the booth i think the booth is a great place i think the booth is a place of great opportunity so color me shocked to hear that sandra book doesn't like the booth but maybe she just loves the camera just like it loves her you know she she loves the camera i think she loves the tactile nature of acting she's always touching something you know

i think that's the problem i think that's the problem yeah and what she's touching is our hearts and you know what you know what she has that in common with you and you were able to reach through the screen big things coming joely big things can't wait to experience i can't wait for those big things too i've got a lot of stuff I've got a lot of big things waiting for me around New York City oh I hope that's not a euphemism

but I also hope it is it's not I just I have a lot of belongings that I have left over the city in various storage units okay well I'll suggest some people to help you pick those things up left over the city in various storage units. Okay. Well, um, I'll, uh, suggest some people to help you pick those things up. Okay.

Uh, Joel Kim, we end every episode with a song and I want you to know that last week we sort of iconically ended with only hope by Mandy Moore. I remember. Um, and so I would sort of like to, and that's the reason we did that is because we mentioned her during the

episode. And so I'd like to sing the classic tune. Wait, wait, we have to name cousin of the week. Oh, Oh, Oh,

Oh, the cousin of the week. Wow. Is really tight between three people. Okay. The cousin of the week is tight between Danielle Staub for, um, appearing in the Erica Jane documentary and claiming to know

information that we're not sure that she knows and also resembling a uh long island sort of tri-state area girl that i know and and this is still lost coach so i do get to sort of make the decision and then the next nominee is um googleRaw, because we don't really know what to do with her, but we know we want her around at all times, and she is a welcome presence. Not a sister, not a mother. No. Something in between.

And the third nominee for Cousin of the Week is, of course, Hailee Steinfeld, because we always love speaking of her. She got accolades from her family and beyond for doing a goofy accent or in a big hat and riding a horse. Which, you know, if a cousin does that in a family, it's the most hilarious thing. Especially when she's a cute girl. Voted for Trump. And we end every episode with a song.

Hey! Good to love myself or don't need anybody else. She's the cousin of the week. Yeah. Gonna love myself or don't need anybody else. Anytime day or night. I love me.

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