Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Summer of Kunt 2: The Klumps" (w/ Sudi Green)

Episode Date: July 24, 2019

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Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas.

Ding dong. Las Cultur recess calling. I have such good feelings about this next hour and a half plus of audio. Me too. And can I say, I feel very decadent this evening because I'm with two wealthy women. I'm surrounded by women of wealth and means. And guess what both of you have moved into two new homes since i last saw you reader it's true reader when i came back to new york all three of my house have moved into different hoe dwellings. Ho dwellings. They are house. And so,

I've seen Dave's lovely new apartment. Congrats to him. Congrats to him. The wallpaper is laid. I've seen Sudi's new apartment. Congrats to her.

Congrats to her. The art will be put up soon. You have not been to this ho's apartment. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something I just said. Tell you swift.

It's not that I haven't. We just haven't had the time. Our wires haven't crossed. When are you coming over? I would love to come over. When is a good time? You've been busy getting ready for a show. A show. I've been doing my thing. Friday we're going to be recording more episodes. Maybe come over Friday? Yeah. We can do that. Okay, let's do that. So just so you guys all know

I am going to see Bowen's new apartment. I know. Just in case anyone was concerned whether or not I was going to see his new apartment. You're really pushing it back. And that is a signifier for something. You miss me desperately. I miss you so much.

I really miss you. I miss you so much I really missed you I miss you too and I the night I saw you I was like just fucking shoveling affection and throwing the dirt onto you and I was like and you were giving me nothing what are you talking about I despise this I was like you're nodding

yes Matt is emotionally Matt is emotionally distant and I wept that night. Yeah, about L.A. About L.A. No. About your friends in L.A., how much you miss L.A., and how much you hate New York. And it's not our fault that you live in a humid hole.

Oh, yeah, because Matt comes in with this sob story. It's not our fault you live in a Polish Greenpoint pierogi basement. Fuck you. You're a bitch. Pierogi garden level box. Suti, you are a bitch. Stop it, Suti. You are being a bitch. Stop it, Suti. You are're a bitch pierogi garden level box you're a bitch stop it sudi you're being okay i mean she's she's in and we i mean this is already i have such good feelings about this audio and i wait i don't like this narrative no well i came i because i don't think it's truthful

can i just set the scene can i just set set the scene? So I come off the plane. It's famously a very long flight from Los Angeles to New York. The priority number one was I get to you guys and have wine and pizza. Because I had been in Los Angeles for five months. And Sudi and I had been planning all day treats that Matt enjoys. Buffalo pizza. I don't want you to say that because I knew that Matt wouldn't mention it. And so I wanted his story to be done.

No, it's fine. But I was like that was my thing about the story. I'm obviously the villain of this episode, aren't I? No, I'm the villain now because I ruined Suzie's. We're all villains. I'm a saint. So I get off the plane

and you know what happened when I got home to my apartment. It was a disaster. And it was really, really hot. And yes, I was a little bit emotional because I did make some friends over there that I'm not going to see for a while. But I was thrilled to see my sisters. And so I went there and literally sat down and was crying because I know there might be life changes. Not because I missed anything in LA life changes I was emotional

for many reasons there might be life changes life changes because I'm thinking about going to LA and moving there I know I know we know and we know and also it's a big transition and also sometimes when you're like feeling a lot of things and then you see people that you're comfortable

with it just all comes out. Like, I've had that, like, with you. Like, I'll FaceTime you when you're in L.A., and all of a sudden I'm crying, and I wasn't even, like, upset that day. You cried. Or, like, really thinking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you did sit down and immediately start talking about how much you're going to miss your friends in L.A., and they didn't know you when you were born. And I was there when you came out, and held you and I looked down at you and I said, this is my son. You are my mother. That's what you said famously. By the way, this is if you're living under a goddamn rock. This is Sudi Green.

Saturday Night Live writer, shrill writer. The Sudi Green. Our greatest friend. Our number one. Famous. Her biggest credit is the... Is famous. Her biggest credit is Summer of Cunt. Summer of Cunt. Yeah. And the merch that it extolled.

Fruit is what candy is based on. Fruit is what candy is based on and Summer of Cunt. You can find them both in the merch store. On Las Culturistas. Tpublic.com Sudi you are right you and I knew Matt when but you two especially

have we really delved into this origin story about you two is that you two it's a good one colloquium colloquium it is the story that was foretold I feel like it's our Old Testament. Yeah. Okay, cool.

It's Noah. It's like scary God. It's scary God. It's the part of the Bible where God is really scary and fearsome. If you lie, then you get swallowed up into hell on the spot. Yeah, exactly. You know what the crazy thing about the Bible is? Bestseller. Bestseller. Number one bestselling book of all time. People don't talk about

that. People don't talk about the fact that the Bible is at all times that girl. And that it's rule of culture number 75. The Bible is at all times that girl. And I look at the New York Times best seller list and I think, where'd the Bible? Yeah, it's true. It's kind of like the happy birthday of books. It really is. It really is. It really is.

Because if you really think about it, if the charts really reflected music, if the charts really reflected music, happy birthday would always be number one. Number one. And ipso facto vis-a-vis, happy birthday is God. Yes, absolutely. It's actually real culture number six. Ipso facto vis-a-vis, happy birthday is God. Okay, so this is apocryphal story.

Okay. Colloquium. Okay, so there was this, Matt and I both went to NYU. We went to dramatic writing and he, I was a freshman. You're a year older than me. Famously, you're a year older than me.

Both of you are famous. No, we're five days apart. Bowen and I are five days apart. And I am younger. Yet Bowen graduated with me, which feels like political. Because I skipped a grade. Wow. I didn't skip a grade.

I started early. Started too late. My mom wanted me to start early, but I did not pass the test you had to pass to go to kindergarten a year early. And her immigrant heart was shattered. She still brings it up because afterwards, I guess I said that the woman who gave me the test was mean. And then my mom is always like, this is so classic.

My mom, like she was mean to her and she intimidated her. And here she is. She's like five years old, you know? And like she didn't, and she didn't think I'm dealing with a five year old, you know? And that's, and that's why she didn't, she didn't go to, she didn't think I'm dealing with a five-year-old, you know?

And that's why she didn't go to... And that's why. That's why. I will say it's one of two tests Sudi Green has not passed in her life. The second being when Sudi was my plus one when I was famously on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? And they said to her,

Sudi, you were so good on camera as his plus one. Would you like to take the test? And she said, oh, I don't know. She had just started SNL. She was like, I don't know if they'll even let me be on an ABC show. I don't know if I get it when I get it. Like, I won't be. When will I come back?

Like, what if they need me? And then she did not pass the test. She did not pass the test. First of all, I rushed it because I wanted to get to P.F. Chang's. It's true. In Las Vegas, which when I, the only other time I had gone to Las Vegas, I was like nine years old. My aunt lived there, was going to nursing school there. We were like, let's go to Las Vegas and visit her.

It was also the first time that I was cat called. I think I was like 11 years old. Wow. Yeah, 100%. What a sick city. I did have tits when I was seven, but like, you know what I mean?

It was still fucked up. I know what you mean. And you know what I mean. Tits at seven. We know those girls. We know those girls. But I went to P.F. Chang's and I thought it was the only

P.F. Chang's that existed. And I was like, this is the most glamorous restaurant in the world. And then like, cosmically, when we were back in las vegas i was like i want to go to this pf james and but also we when we went to millionaire matt was on millionaire

we were with all these people who had studied matt and i had not studied at all we're like made you know like when you're in those situations and you're like in close quarters and you like make friends with people and we made friends with this like mother daughter pair and they had been like taking a road trip and we're doing like states and trivia and looking at maps and all this stuff and then all of the practice questions that we did I knew the answers for

and so I was like oh I got this in the bag we don't need to study and then actually the question that I called Sudi up for to help me with on millionaire I wouldn't have gotten it right it was the low here's what it was. It was that, so sometimes they do on Millionaire these questions that sound like they're asking you

one thing, but they're really asking you another. So it was like this ultra marathon and I had just read a book and watched a documentary on ultra marathons. Which was peak Sudi Green that she had read a book and watched a documentary about it. At the time I was dating a guy from Colorado, so it kind of all tracked. Got it.

This ultra marathon goes from the highest point in the state to the lowest point in the state. Where does it end? Or in the country. The highest point in the continental United States to the lowest point in the continental United States. Essentially it's asking in which state is that? Death Valley which is

Utah. California. Oh shit. So one of the answers was Utah. And one Oh, shit. So, one of the answers was Utah. And one of them was Colorado. And one of them was Colorado, and one of them was California, and then there was another one that definitely wasn't it. But I brought Sudi up and said my, she said her instinct was California, and I said my

instinct was Utah. And she said, well, the question's really asking this. And I was like, well, that's Death Valley. And she said, that's in California. I'm like, was that the answer? And we struggled for about six minutes to give that answer. I was doubting myself, yeah. You wore an iconic red dress. The inner saboteur.

You did. An iconic red dress with an iconic red lip. That was Becky Chacon's dress that when Becky lost all that weight, she gave me so many of her old clothes. And that was a beautiful Ann Taylor Loft dress that was very flattering on me that I wore to I think every other show my first year at SNL wow wow I remember you showed up in that dress and I was like well I'm upstaged fuck it was just a red yeah but you knew that you have to wear a bold color on cam you knew that yeah and there I am

in a gray shirt. Gray, Bo. Gray. But look, oh, but Sudi and I have both accompanied you at these iconic shows, ABC shows, even. Which one? The View. Oh, yes, we went to The View. Wow.

We iconically go to ABC daytime shows. That's something that this threesome? This is our history. This is our history. This is our whole testament. Is we go to iconic daytime ABC shows. We are all holding hands. We are. So anyway, I cut you off when you were telling the colloquium story.

Oh, okay. So there was this we're at NYU and there was this class called colloquium that we took our freshman year. So Matt and I were like both essentially freshmen in the department. And it was like you had to write a five minute scene. Yeah. A monologue. Oh, oh, oh. It was And it was like you had to write a five-minute scene. Yeah, a monologue.

Oh, oh, oh, okay. It was a monologue because you had to, in colloquium, you would write a scene and then you'd get the other writers in the class to act out a scene so you could see your own work. So then on the first day, we had to write a monologue and perform it so that you could know who of the writers

in the class were good actors. Well, the way they phrased it was like, so you can get a sense of everyone and how to cast them. But this was kind of saying like- It was like an audition. Yeah. If you're a performer, show us so that we can use you in the scenes.

So I think you went first or I went first. I'm sure that I went first because I remember leaving to go to the bathroom after I'd gone. And what was your monologue about? My monologue was what I did was I cheated. I did not write an original monologue. Well, no, I absolutely knew that you were.

Okay. Well, I put my iTunes on shuffle and every time it lands on a different song, I wrote an anecdote about why that song was in my library. Okay, interesting. Yeah, and essentially it was like storytelling. I thought you were going to say you were plagiarizing. No, no, no, no, no. But so then he's like talking about it. He's like, okay, so I'm in Long Island.

I'm at this concert or whatever. And then I was like, this bitch is improvising. I was improvising. You could tell he was improvising and I was sitting here and I was like, he's very funny. He's a very good actor. He's very he did not write all this down he is making it up and i was kind of like who else i would say i would say that it was all written down but i was taking

liberties based on what people were responding to and that is performance wow and then i sat down feeling like i had crashed felt like okay i, okay, I'm going to go to the bathroom. Went to the bathroom and not for nothing, but these writers weren't like crushing it. And I felt I could go to the bathroom. I'm in the bathroom. I took about two minutes and then I walked back and everyone was laughing hysterical.

And this girl was on stage and it was Sudi. And I was like, oh, finally someone's like got something up there. And it was and I was like oh finally someone's like got something up there and it was a sorority monologue it was like I was you were a sorority girl like getting people to come out for rush I was I was I was like I was a freshman girl like pumping herself

up to pledge right right right and it was really funny and I remember thinking oh okay well I guess like that's the girl I'll cast in my scenes and then Billy Domino was also there, who was also our longtime friend. He was, for those of you who might know, he was the one who wrote the Seinfeld 9-11 spec script later on. And he wrote for Family Guy, and he's our good friend. And he was so funny, and he was wearing a salmon jacket, which he also wore for every single gentleman party show.

He was wearing a salmon jacket jacket and I'll never forget how horny I got for this funny man in a salmon coat. Doing a crazy as my life and then he cast us in his scene and he wrote a scene which was you were my wife and I was

calling Broadway to try to get tickets to see Cats which had just closed, which had just closed. So it was a scene with us in the hotel room. It was very funny. And I remember like we took you taking it really seriously and whatever. We do the rehearsals and then we're about to go up.

And this is like, also Matt and I are definitely like actors who write. Like we were both like, we're too scared to be, we're too scared to go and audition and be in the studios at Tisch. And so we were like, oh, we get to write and perform, whatever. This was getting us horny. And then I will never forget, Matt turns to me.

We were about to go up. And Matt turns to me and he goes, just so you know, I'm really going to commit. And she just nodded like, mm-hmm. And I was like, what did you want to say to him in that moment well I like understood because I was like he doesn't want to be caught trying he doesn't want to go out there

and really do it and especially like coming from like our high schools which was like a lot of like people not taking anything seriously and it being cold ass suburban thing. And he was like, just so you know, I'm really going to commit.

And I took it as like, he doesn't want to be out there alone. And me, I'm thinking, bitch, I'm going to get my laugh. Yeah. I didn't know who I was talking to.

That's actually great. And then we really slayed. Yeah. We did very well. Wow. And the scene was funny. That's why we did well. Well,

I mean, it was, it was mad. I mean, like, I don't know. It's funny thinking about both of, I mean, it was mad. I mean, like, I don't know. It's funny thinking about both of you when I knew you in college and just, like, how much raw talent you had and how, like, from a very early time in our lives,

people were just like, that person is really good. At a school full of very good people. And then now to, like, see how you've honed it and how you've developed it and like who the artists you are today, it's horny. I think back on my time in college and I just, I fucking cringe.

Like about what? Just about like the jokes I would make on stage. I remember my first Dangerbox show I made, it was a dumb like pseudo standup bit that I had made up on the spot. I was like, it was, there was, it was an,

I initiated the scene. It had nothing to do with the monologue, had nothing to do with any, any idea generator. It was just me and Nicole out there. And I go, you know, you think Gandhi's in hell?

Cause he wasn't a Christian. It was funny. It is funny. No, it's not. Out of nowhere, it was Christian. That's funny. It is funny. No, it's not. Out of nowhere, it was me trying to be funny, which is like cardinal sin of improv. Oh, wait, but that was an improv,

and was that like a pre-selected line? That was me, like, canned line. I feel like a lot of college improv is like that, though. I know, but like- People have go-tos. And then I just, I truly think about my behavior at Hammercat shows, which is the sketch group at NYU that Sudi and Matt were both on. And I would go to those shows fanatic and I would just be drunk off my ass and I would just cackle.

I'd be like. I'll never forget. I'll never forget. We were in, I was in a video sketch called Topless Scene. Which was my sketch where it's like these young boys who are like so excited because one of them is like they're so horny and they're like okay my uncle has this dvd laying around and it says it has the best topless scenes he's always talking about this video the time codes written now the time codes are written right here it says this is where the best shit is like

it was like a porny video and they put it in and it was me and Gina Phillips oh my god I love Gina and the game was that it was me showing my titties your nipples my nipples like revealing them slowly it was you cupping

like a woman does in a like a gorgeous tastefully done nude thing and I kept showing my breasts you should put that out

I think I might put that online actually it's so funny but I remember hearing you screaming it was great I don't it was funny well people because in the audience it was actually terrible because people and like the road in front of me would be like that was me that was me at the improv shows i will be screaming at the improv shows now if i saw someone act like that fuck you know what i you know what sketch i bring up all the time to

you and that you're always like, oh yeah, is, and I fucking, this is one of my favorite Hammercat sketches was the DVD commentary of Dow and it's Sudi and it's like, I'm the director, I'm the writer, I'm the producer and then Sudi's like, hi, my name's Barbara, I was craft services and then like, all the people would

like chime in with some like deep, meaningful thing. Did we write that together? I don't think that was me, I think that was just you. Or Sidorov. I think maybe that was me and You me. I think that was just you. Or Sidorov. I think maybe that was me. You know what? It might have been you and David Sidorov. Oh yeah, I think it was.

Yeah. And then like your character would chime in and be like, yes, and that day on set we had a Cobb salad. That was so funny. I am just thinking about a time in my life

where I would laugh at comedy. Yeah. Wow. I mean, that was something that like when I did improv, people would be like you're so supportive i love it when you're in the audience you're such a supportive at like audience member and like cut to me at snl at a table read reading something that i

know is objectively funny and me going sooty laugh because i want like the stuff that i know is good to get laughs but i have to it's have to. It's like I have to be like. Well, it's become your job. It's become literally your job. It's the currency at work. It's the currency, which makes it like commodified in your own brain. Well, I also think it's just like full burnout. I know. And also like I'm not.

I've seen so much. We've all seen so much. So you're excited by less. It takes more to get you excited. Yeah. But I mean, like I'm not saying that I like fake laughs in the table read i'm saying it's like i'm reading a sketch that i know is funny and i want it to be on the show therefore i have to like force myself to be like that's a joke sooty laugh even though i'm in my my brain is saying this is funny and my body isn't

laughing are you talking specifically about your own sketches? No, I don't laugh at my own sketches. I like fall. I know. If you see me in my own sketches, I am subterranean. I like hide my little head. I like, and then a lot of times I turn to Fran and I go, I'm sorry. Because it was like, if it was my pitch and it didn't go well. I mean, even if it's going well, I'm usually hiding. I'm hiding no matter what.

And afterwards I'm beet red. You want to know? I think she wouldn't mind me sharing this. So I sit next to Drezen'm hiding no matter what. And afterwards, I'm beet red. You want to know? I think she wouldn't mind me sharing this. So I sit next to Dresden at Table Reads. Yeah. And well, first of all, the experience of Table Reads is crazy because when your sketch is about to go up, you know the order and you know your sketch is about to come up. And I just do this thing where I just literally brace myself. I just put my hands on my knees and I'm like, yeah, here we fucking go.

It's so nerve wracking. And also the couple of sketches before you sketch, you're not, you're not paying attention. Yeah. You're not present at all. You're not there at all. Yeah. 100%. And so I'm just like planting my feet on the ground.

I'm like, stay grounded. Like feel your feet. This is where you are. Just like live in it. And then the most of the time it fucking eats shit and then i'll either get from dresden like like a like a like a very like understanding but like you tried like couple like tap tap or like sorry you know or or like sorry or like you know when something goes well she'll be like she'll it'll be like a stroking in a rub and i'm like oh i did like that's like my marker for like it's so it's

such a crazy fucking it's also like calming i yeah you know i know i i gotta say i just love it when anna i just love that anna is like my yeah it's like a nice check and it's also like nice to be like oh i i'm not going through this experience alone you know what i mean yeah anyway it's fascinating to find out how it happens there it's live they've never reader, they have never discussed this with me. They don't ever. What happens at that job, reader? It is behind closed

doors and I've never even heard the words table read. I didn't even know there was a table read. That's how it works. What is it? Famously in media, there's nothing about how SNL works. There's nothing about behind the scenes. And this is the only

chance you'll ever get to know that this is how it happens. No one in news media has ever asked the question, so what is a typical week at SNL like? Nobody. I don't even know. So on Monday the host comes? What happens?

No ma'am. No ma'? No, ma'am. No, ma'am. No, ma'am. I don't want to talk about this. Isn't it weird? Okay, so we have to say. So at Nantucket. Oh my God, yes.

Wait, I haven't caught up. I haven't seen you guys since you guys got back. So we went to Nantucket because Judy got an award for SNL. Congrats. With Heidi Gardner and Miss Jane Curtin. And Anne Beetz. Yes, ma'am, and Anne Beetz. And Anne Beetz.

And that was wonderful. And then we were talking the next day about the job. And out of nowhere, at brunch, Siti just goes, I don't want to talk about us. And I was just like, okay. I was like, can we just stop? I'm sorry. And then I go, I'm sorry, I'm psycho.

I'm sorry, I'm psycho. I'm sorry, I'm psycho. I'm sorry, I'm psycho. I understood. I understood why you didn't want to talk about it. I've been doing that lately, though. I have just been getting into panic situations psycho i'm sorry i'm psycho no but i understood i understood why you didn't want to talk about it lately though like i have just been like yes getting into panic situations or like sometimes and i never used to be like this but like sometimes something's happening and i need to

just like go yeah you know or if it's a conversation i'm just like can we stop talking about this like i just it just i don't know yeah i don't know what is that do you feel more anxious recently I mean right now in this moment that we're recording this episode you are working on a million different things yeah you're busy that's true you're busy I don't know what it is I think it is I think it is like panic and feeling uncomfortable I mean not in that situation that situation I was just like I kind of maybe clocked that we had been talking about work and and you know it's never like relaxing. It's interesting to talk about, but it's also like the thing that I talk about the most. Well, sometimes I forget that, you know.

It's like, I mean, honestly, like I feel like you like to talk about it. Less and less. It can be therapy, though. You know, if stuff is going on, you want to like be like, so this is what happened at work. But I guess i just feel like i don't know in terms of the like leaving i think it's me just not it's just like a survival tactic it's like i don't know what's gonna happen if i keep doing this yeah well i also think it's like it's hard to it's hard to be i mean I've been experiencing this over the past five months.

So it's like when you are busy professionally. God bless. And God bless. And we thank God. Thank God. We thank God. God, thank you. And God, which is, who is God again?

We said at the beginning of the episode. A woman. No, no, no. God is happy birthday. God is, no. God is happy birthday. God is happy birthday. God is happy birthday. Happy birthday, God. Every year he has a birthday.

It is? Christmas. Yes, honey. All right. So when you are professionally fulfilled or busy in that way, you freak out about personal life. Yes. I mean, that is me. That's my whole narrative.

That is 100%. Fuck. And when you, so Sudi called me a couple weeks ago and was in a state. And I I mean, that is me. That is a hundred percent. And when you, so Sudi called me a couple of weeks ago and was in a state and I was like, what is this? I like you, you were, you're speaking in a tone of voice I'd never heard. And like a date hadn't gone well or whatever. Do you care if I say this? No.

Well, and then I was like, okay, I think what's happening is like, you're just overwhelmed and like you put a lot of pressure on the personal life stuff because you don't have too much time for it. Yeah. So it's like a sacrifice. That's like, like, you know what I mean? It's like when,

when you choose to spend an evening with someone, it's like, if it doesn't go well, it is a little anxiety inducing because like, that was like maybe the one or two nights of the week where like you had time for that. Also for me too. I think like this situation,

basically I went on a date with a guy, it was like a second date and I had drank a little bit too much. And then I was just kind of like, I need to go. I don't want to do this because I wasn't having a good time. And I sort of checked in with myself. We're moving to like another bar. And I was like, I'm not having fun. And I'm making this fun for the both of us.

Yes. Why am I making this happen? I'm being charming. I'm being nice. the both of us. Yes. Why am I making this happen? I'm being charming. I'm being nice. The performance jumped out. Yes. And I was like, why am I doing this? This is not what I'm feeling,

which is something I have a tendency to do, which is like, I do too much. Like I, if a situation is quiet, I feel like I have to make conversation. Like it's always like, you know, the ball, I always feel like the ball is in my court. And so then I was just like with this guy, and especially with like dating, I'm like, what's going to happen? He's going to take me to my apartment. And then is he going to try and kiss me? And then I'm going to have to say no. Or is

it going to have to be a conversation? And I mean, I wasn't like scared or anything. He was like perfectly nice or, you know, whatever. But I was just kind of like, and also I was drunk. And so we were by the street that I would turn on to go home but we were going to another bar and I was just like I have to go I'm sorry I have to go I'm sorry I have to go I'm sorry and then he was like it's fine like that's fine yeah um and then she called me and was upset and I was like yeah you were upset I know but this is what I love about New York is like you can like, on the phone and nobody looks at you. I was embarrassed for.2 seconds

and then I was like, it's Williamsburg, it's Thursday night at around 10 p.m., I'm actually acting normal. Yeah, but I could tell that you were beating up on yourself for reasons that were like, and I think, you know what i mean it's just kind of the thing of like and also who cares at the end of the day what this person thinks oh yeah i think you were like worried about the decorum of the situation socially

and it's just like at the end of the day okay so i'm gonna share this my sister just left her job like she's she's been very miserable at her job for a while and now she is gonna you know try something new she might even go go to culinary school i'm really proud that's beautiful and so um i said to her she was asking what was going on with me and i've been telling i was updating her and she was like i was like what's up with you and she was like oh my god i'm so upset like um i'm really not happy at my job and i said i just flat out said i was like well you need to quit and she was like i know i know i know i I said, I just flat out said, I was like, well, you need to quit.

And she was like, I know, I know, I know I've needed to quit for a long time. And I was like, well, you don't have an excuse now that you know, you know what I mean? Now it's on you.

If you keep going in there and are unhappy. And she said, I'm nervous that if I go in there to my boss's office, that I'm going to cry. And I was like, what is this? I was like, you know,

who cares? And I said to her, I said to her i i said to her and i would say to everyone your emotions are a strength and we have to always remember that like yeah you don't want to be a fucking mess everywhere but stop being afraid and anxious that you're going to have an emotional reaction to something and that is something in our culture yeah i think with in a lot of people where they say well well, I don't want to be too emotional. I don't want to be disturbance.

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When we were in Nantucket, I did this panel with these ladies of SNL, and it was in a church. It was in a big, beautiful church. And there was a minister there who was, first of all, gorgeous. Hot priest and hot minister all of a sudden running amok. So, I mean, I don't know priest, minister.

I don't know. I don't know that. Female. I don't know that world. Yes. Female. Was beautiful and tan. Like a woman in her 40s with gorgeous arms, obviously ran, you know, runner's arms.

She was wearing a blue sleeveless, like kind of a sleeveless turtleneck that was showing that she was a runner, obviously. And a black knee length skirt. And she was gorgeous. And I remember clocking like female priest. And then somebody made a joke about like cursing in the church. Ha ha ha. Then I'm on stage and I said, fuck like four times,

shit like three times, which I don't really think I talk like that. And I did a bit of like, sorry, God, every time. And then, which is funny because it's not real.

And that was why it was funny to me. I don't know if anybody was like on that base reality with me in Nantucket, especially like the kids and the old people. But I was like, sorry, God. And then we go off stage and somebody like mentioned it. And I go, who cares? They're just words. They mean nothing. You know what i mean and then i was like oh i i was surprised because i

think that i didn't realize maybe how shocking it genuinely was or scandalizing it genuinely was and then i was like should i feel bad about that and then i realized no no it's so strange when you have to censor language when you get when you come upon a situation where you have to censor language. When you come upon a situation where you have to censor your language, I have to actively do it. In that scenario, it's like, it's not, it's just this very general, broad, global way that you're using these words that would offend someone, quote unquote, but it's like, you're not calling someone a sewer.

Well, I said, fuck God, and I bared my breasts. But it was a women in comedy panel. What was I supposed to do? Were you supposed to keep your tits in your shirt? They asked me, you know, is it hard to be a woman in comedy? And I said fuck God and I bared my breasts. But it was like happy birthday, God. It was a happy birthday to God who is a straight, red-blooded American man.

God is actually one of the horniest men I've ever met. God actually, yeah, let's just say God has a real mouth and a real dick on him. Now, let's say that. I want us to check in so this is summer. God's like David Duchovny in Californication. That's exactly what God's

like. That's who I imagine when I imagine God. Yeah. And, oh God, there's that disgusting poster where it's all those women's, disembodied women's hands all over him. And it's like a Marsha Belsky. I love it when a woman is just a body part. More of that.

Well, yeah, it's Marsha Belsky, no face. Like a faceless woman. I want to check in. It's Summer of Cunt to the Klumps. Yeah. How are we doing this summer? Let's go around the table. Matt, you start. You both hooked on me. Yeah. Let's summer? Let's go around the table. You both looked at me.

Let's see. Let's see. I have definitely lived a little life over the past five months. I think you really have. I don't know. What have you been doing? I don't know. I have experienced life in a new cult.

I love it. And I actually grew to really enjoy that. And the space I was given to be, like, examining my personal life definitely made me a little crazy there for a minute. Okay, definitely made me a little crazy there for a minute. I've had some experiences with men that have left me shook. So it's the fact that you had the space to examine yourself that was crazy-making. Well, here's the thing.

I think had I been doing my thing, and also once the other two room ended, I was still in Los Angeles for a little while. And so then I was kind of there for a couple weeks, just because I scheduled a couple weeks at the end of my LA trip, so I could take meetings and hang out, and I wanted to enjoy the weather and just be there for a little while. You wanted to enjoy.

I wanted to enjoy. And so in that time, I let myself get absolutely hung up on one guy that I hooked up with. I had something go on here, and then I felt like a true 19-year-old for someone that really didn't necessarily deserve that of me. I don't think he did. And so it doesn't matter how real it is

or not, but because I was given the space to do that, I was cuckoo. Then without saying like too, too, too much, like a friendship developed into something and now I'm going to like see what happens. And so now I'm kind of like... Which that sounds very nice

and grounded and cool and actually very mature. And I have been really waiting for something nice and grounded and cool and mature. And I just hope that that continues to be the case. But it's just like. Can I just say too. It's interesting new feelings. And so I think that was also a little bit of an element of why I was upset to come back. Something I didn't expect to happen happened.

Also though, I think that in a lot of like what you're doing now, because there's so many changes and there's so much stimulation. And it almost like kind of feels to me like you going out. It was like almost like college point two. It's like a big new social scene that you are a part of. Felt like a semester abroad. Yeah, exactly. And like you're falling into this. And I also feel like something that you could marinate on and it doesn't have to be right and it can change.

But listen to yourself when you talk about what you want, because I think that you don't really know what you want and that you you you can sense something happening. But then also sometimes you go back into yourself and you're like well this is who I really am or this is my lifestyle that I like and I'm not saying that there's like a right or wrong answer but I do feel like something that you could meditate on is like what am I

looking for yeah I mean yes I think I think I think honestly it's it's hard right now to even think about what you want while things change so much you know what I mean like it's just so much is changing right now and it's great

and it's exciting but yeah but sometimes you just have to be like everything is in flux right now and like especially when you're traveling and doing a bunch of stuff you just kind of sometimes have to be like wait all parties involved are playing everything very cool and I'm grateful for that.

That's great. I think maybe what Suti is saying is, and I think I'm butchering the actual like terminology here, but it's like narrative self versus experiential self.

Yes. Where it's like you got to lead with the narrative self where you got to know what your story is, like what the story of you is right now in this moment. Like I,

the story of you has never been told. What is the story of you is right now in this moment like I story of you has never been told what is the story of you and who is the author of it is it you I think it is me yeah I don't think it's good I don't I will tell you this I did something last night that I never do what which is I dismissed someone oh

I Matt told me about this yeah so there was someone that this person Matt told me about this. Yeah. So there was someone that this person that you've met, this person decided that... You know who you're talking about? Yeah.

This person decided they were going to hook up with me and Bowen. I love coded podcast language. I love this. I love it on this and I love it on sync treatment because I'm listening

and I'm doing my own detective work and I'm putting together the pieces and I always wonder if other people are doing it, too. And right now we're in coded podcast language and I'm loving it. But the thing is, like, this person decided they were going to try to make romantic advancements on Bowen and Matt Rogers. And I said, that's not cool.

And when I saw him, I said, you need to understand that's not okay and you need to now turn away from me and walk away don't you love it when you have the moral high ground yes i do electrifying when somebody has done something objectively wrong and you get to dress them and i never do that okay i don't think i'm the kind of person that does that but i felt i felt that that this needed to be said. There have been a couple moments in my life. Why are you trying to fuck up my friendship? Because honestly, even if that wasn't the intent,

it wasn't not an uncomfortable moment for me and Bowen. It was a very uncomfortable moment. And just get the fuck out because you do not matter in the grand scheme of this I'm pointing to you and I. So do not think that you are going to have anything to do with any drama here. Bye. Go. We are famigly.

And I truly, I mean, for me, my issue with this person and it didn't end terribly, but I just had to be very clear. And I had to be like, these are the boundaries that I've had to redefine again and again for you and I would hope that you respect those. And so, yeah, that was my... It's just like, that was crazy. And I felt proud of myself that I could do that and I don't think

me six months ago would have been able to stand up for myself like that. I think I would have tried to be congenial and be like, it's okay, I understand, people make mistakes, but that person like tried to hurt us. You don't think that you and I at some point though could share, not share a lover, but like absolutely not.

Really? I don't want to do that. I don't want that to be part of our story. I think if you, I think here's what I think. If I were to hook up with someone and then whatever you told me, like this means something to me i would give you that blessing i might feel about it a certain way but and i think that's the difference

too like it's like do you feel like you this is really worth it and this is a future with somebody yeah you have a real connection or is it just like getting your dick wet sure i mean i will flat out say right now my ex-boyfriend now dates my one of my best friends from college and someone i roommate i was his roommate in college it was one of the stupidest things i've ever gone through it was emotionally insane but are they better together and happy together and should they should they be that absolutely when something is real yeah you step to the side great you do and that is the difference so you ask could we ever share someone like that absolutely if it meant something to you okay great don't you agree i agree i totally agree but i've just i this thing i knew was like a frivolous thing and so i

was just like you know what go learn and get some life experience away from me and my best friend. Go learn. Go learn. Go learn. Go learn. Go learn. And reader, if you're interested in Bo and Yang

or Matt Rogers or both, you gotta pick. You gotta pick one. Go learn. Go learn though. Go learn first. I don't want no unlearns. No ma'am.

I don't want no unlearns. No ma'am. But anyway, yeah. And then, you know, professionally, now I'm kind of, it's so funny that Summer of Cunt... Even, like, what is it?

Last year, it was like we were all single for the first time. Yeah. And we're all single. I'm still single. Yeah. Wow, has it been like a flat year for us? No, that's not true. But I'm just saying...

You've had some pursuits. But there's no displacement from when we were starting from Summer of Cunt last year I think a lot of things have changed from Summer of Cunt last year profesh yeah sure

and like in terms of like the way we live our day to day for all three of us big time absolutely I would say I also when I I think Summer of Cunt

is also slightly about fitness ugh no ma'am I get it here's my thing here's my thing. Here's my thing that I've been thinking about.

Go. Vis-a-vis fitness. Ipso facto. Ergo. And you have been thinking about it. I.e. Well, I have

psycho moments of being so hard on my body and I was having a moment this weekend where I was talking to Matt

and I was just like, I'm going to get it together and I'm going to be one of those people. And I'm going to be one of those people that has like a transformation and changes my body and my lifestyle and all this stuff. And I used call me out and you were like kind of like the fourth or fifth time I brought this up and we were in the pool and you were like, Sudi, why are you talking like this? Like if the Sudi I knew in college heard you talking about this, you would be like, fuck that. Yes, I did say that. I was like, the younger version of you would think that you're one of those girls right now.

And I want you to be happy with what's going on. Of course. Also, the thing about my body is that I have been the same weight since college. It has really never changed that much. And I've always felt bad about it.

But also, always never really done too much about like, you know, let me really change my diet. Or like, you know, everybody goes through like little periods. I'm like, I'm doing it. But I think that this is something that nobody really talks about, especially in our industry, because it is a fact. It's just taken as like a fact of society or a fact of social media or whatever. But it is unchecked value in appearance and giving people snaps and clicks when they show up fabulous, when they get snatched. You know what I mean? And it causes such a psychosis in such smart people, deep people, intelligent people. And I grew up with a mom who would say looks don't matter. She would say it all the time.

Like anytime some of us got complaining about whatever, she had two daughters and she was just like, looks don't matter. Looks don't matter. And I don't know if anybody heard that when they were kids. Maybe I was lucky to hear that when I was a kid. But I just feel like it takes up so much of our brains. And I've been thinking that I should really just like write down how many times I have a negative thought about my body in a day because I think it would be staggering.

And that's not who I am. No. That's not who I am. What do you think made that, what do you think changed that? I think social media. Yeah. Like.

You know, pulling a look. I feel like there's, and I love when people pull looks and when people, I love to look good and I love when people pull looks and when people I love to look good and I like fashion and it's a way to express yourself and express your personal style and I think all those things are good but then it comes

into like a zone of like it's something that feels mandatory and therefore it feels like not a choice it's like you and I at the Christmas party this year, we're like, let's get dressed and let's go out in the hall and take pictures of each other,

which is not like a morally bad thing to begin with. It's not this, it does kind of feed into some aspect of unchecked, like appreciation of beauty, but it's also like, would we have done that? Like had social media not been, like with social media not a thing? I mean, no, we wouldn't have.

And I also think it's like, the thing that bums me out is a lot of people that I know that are really, really smart and really intelligent and we talk about the appearance of them or whatever so much.

And then I just think sometimes, are we being shallow? Is that person a shallow person? Is this a shallow conversation? We never talk about being shallow. And guess what? All of us are. Absolutely.

Do you ever think about the fact that because we were coming up when Facebook was popular and there were so many pictures of you in your photo section, whereas now with Instagram, you put up one a day or a few every few days and it how many likes that one gets is kind of like the barometer for how you feel right now and you're really you're really choosing to represent represent yourself much more singularly or much less often well you're commodifying also like

everything about yourself your personal life what you do in a day versus your art. Yes. Oh my God. Yeah. And so it's like, it's like a weird thing where it's like, like the comedian Instagram of it all, where it's like,

you know, are you doing bits all the time or are you posting a nice picture of yourself that was professionally taken? But I think there might be something to this thing of social media over the past few years. I think it's specifically, you can link it to Instagram. Because Instagram, you put up one picture or one story or whatever, and then people respond or they don't. And you get good engagement on it or you don't.

Whereas Facebook was kind of like, of course, you got likes on Facebook pictures, but there were so much content on Facebook. Whereas like on Instagram, it's kind of like you have a little website. Also, Instagram is just pictures. Right. It's just pictures. That's the whole point of it. So it's, and that means what we're judging it on is aesthetics only.

Yeah. And especially as you get older and like, you see kind of your peers pop off and like get access to nicer clothes and like, you know, are able to focus time on their bodies and stuff. It's, you know,

I mean, I don't want to sound judgmental because I also think like a lot of people just naturally do that. And I also feel like's you know i mean i don't want to sound judgmental because i also think like a lot of people just naturally do that and i also feel like you know a lot of people have issues with their bodies and that's always going to be something that they focus on and you know yeah that my thing is when it becomes feels starts to feel compulsory yes you know where it starts to part of your day yeah part of your day and also like if i go to an event or if i go to something fancy and I feel like I'm not taking the right picture

or if a lot of my time is spent taking a picture or whatever, or if the validation of event is those likes, which I've been in a lot where it's like you go to the Emmys and the Emmys are not that fun. It's like a big, weird high school party. The fun of it is getting dressed up and getting the goddamn legs. But it's not reality. I know.

Wow. But like what is like the checked version of that then? Like, you know, like how do you... I mean, I feel like what Matt said to me the other day, which was like, why are you talking like this about yourself? You know what I mean? Like I really needed to hear that in that moment

because I was spinning out. And it's right. It's not like me. Well, I wouldn spinning out and it's right it's not like me well I wouldn't have brought it up had it not been I just feel like it's something that feels like it's top of mind for you and I actually think

it might be a response to a what you're saying with social media and be you having a lot of stuff going on and it's that thing of like well what is it that I have going on outside of this and so i think i mean i've been obsessing about my body too over the past like year like like i was really unhappy with it like the last half of last year like just tied to a lot of depression i was having at the time and then i sort of like started to kind of like myself again in november december

and then i was in the gym in december and January and not for nothing, but really made that a focus and sort of like started to really like the way I was looking. Then went to Los Angeles and kind of lost that. But there is something to making those small little changes. You do you do feel better. So that's why I think it almost is like it's not unhealthy to talk about this stuff because dietary change that's good for you in so many ways well everybody knows that like healthy foods and exercise will make you feel better absolutely you know what i mean and yes but i i feel like also though that how many times have you and i or anybody got gone through a

period of like i'm gonna do this and then it anybody gone through a period of like, I'm going to do this. And then it's a momentary period and that makes us feel better. And then life, stress, work gets in the way. It's not our priority anymore. And it's not like linear. But I mean, that's my thing, which is like, how much has my body actually changed?

And why have I felt bad about it this whole time? Right, right. It's always something else. And I think it's like, these things are good to think about. Because it's great to think, I have a fitness goal. Or it's great to have, I have a diet. Is it though? Yes, I think it is.

I think it is. I think it's fine. I disagree. I think that it can be, I think it can be a distraction. And I think that we're all told we're all in the self-improvement cycle because that's how we buy things. And we're constantly told that also because diet culture had a negative stigma on it. Now it's all about wellness. And so those same things, which is like, you know, eat this herb or like, you know, have this tea and

it's healthy for you but it's really all about losing weight and i do think that it becomes a focus and a distraction for people and i think sometimes it's healthy to be like i don't have a fitness goal well i think having a fitness goal is different than compost than a compulsory um demand in your brain at all times to think about your body i mean i think I think there are two different things. Having a goal and then sometimes not meeting that goal is fine because it... Why? What are you thinking? No, nothing. I'm just letting it hit me.

I'm fully falling victim to this this week in particular. I'm on Weight Watchers like crazy, logging all my stuff, went to SoulCycle yesterday, but it wasn't because it was like, I'm going to be more fit. It was the, I was like, I'm going to like look snatched this week because

it's pride. I'm just kind of like, when do we get off the wheel? That's the thing. It's like, and I understand we all do it. Everybody diets or whatever. And, and, and you have goals and you want to look good and you want to feel good. And that's fine. But sometimes I just feel like that's the only conversation we're having. And it's just widely accepted that your friend would just be eating less because they don't feel good about themselves. And it's just when do you get off the wheel? When do you stop buying the workout classes? Do you never stop buying it? Do you never stop thinking, I want this, now I have that.

I want this, I want to have that. Especially if you are given praise and validation for your looks at a young age, you don't know how to get that validation from something else. It's ingrained in you. I mean, it's an uphill battle. I feel like there is such a huge system at work to make us constantly think about fitness, exercise, diet. I do think even despite individuals and what it's done for people and that, you know, people who have good intentions, the overall system is to get your money. And behind it is behind that system to get your money is like how impervious it is in our brains. Well, we were just talking to Betty Gilpin about this. Um, and she said that she goes on late

night shows. I thought this was really interesting. She goes on late night shows and gets her hair and makeup done for two hours. And literally people are like, you know, really kind of like focusing on making her look like the TV star for her, you know, Jimmy Kimmel interview. And then she does a seven or eight minute Kimmel interview. And there's no comment on the fact that like this just happened to get her ready for this. You know what I mean? And you think about that and you think every single time you see someone on a late night show,

someone has worked to get them to the place where they are television ready. You know, these people that are on Instagram, they have worked to get that picture in the place where it can be up to their standards or up to your standards. And there's never nary a comment on the fact on the work, except for like, thanks to my glam, but it's just baseline what those people do.

And I do think because of social media and reality TV, we now know what goes behind all of that. And it's, it's, it's trickled down to everyday people. I think that's also the thing, which is like Kim Kardashian selling body makeup, you know? And it's like, that's something that, you know, celebrities wear when they're on camera and yeah, I want to cover this blemish or whatever, or like, it makes my legs look nice,

which is like, sure. You're on camera, you're on a world stage, but are you really telling me that I'm gonna walk down my damn day with paint on my legs? Is that like the next thing? Fuck that. I mean, if we allow it to be, yes. And unfortunately, the Kardashians are the tastemakers of beauty.

And that is something that I've had a problem with from the beginning. War beginning. And it's very warped. And I mean, they are literally warped. And I'm not going to be sitting here saying, the Kardashians are problematic. It's like, the culture is problematic. We have chosen them. We picked them.

Because we didn't have to pick them. We did. This is so dark. I know. It's dark. It's dark. Matt and I were in Nantucket we were in a free hotel on a gorgeous pool there was not a cloud in the sky and we're in the pool and i'm going we're living in hell society is hell we are it is i was just like going down the list and i was like you know we have we have mass inherited trauma and the and the patriarchy is at a peak and it's just like, it's just cruelty and cruelty and cruelty

and a cloud in the sky in Nantucket in the bougiest place I've ever been. It's fine to do that though. I know. And you hear Sudi talk about this and you're just like, oh, that's the smartest person in the world. Well, the thing is,

Sudi said to me, you know why Sudi, okay, this is classic. So Mad Men was huge when we were in college. Yes, I remember., Sooty said to me, you know why Sooty, okay, this is classic. So Mad Men was huge when we were in college. Yes, I remember. And Sooty turns to me and she goes, Mad Men is so good because they understand that human life

is suffering. Yeah. Sooty was 21. Mad Men understands. It's emotional stakes without murder. It's not Game of Thrones. It's not drugs. It's not, what is the Bryan Cranston drug show? Breaking Bad.

It's not Breaking Bad. It was just, you were so riveted by hurt. And that is what life is. It is deep disappointment. And the reason why I compartmentalize, the reason why people are afraid to cry is because we understand that if we tap into that well of how hard everything is, some of us are afraid that we aren't going to come back from it. You never say thank you.

That's what the money is for. I have been so much happier since I started identifying as a crier. I love that for you. I wish I was more of a crier. I cry constantly. I love that. I'm here for you. I wish I was more of a crier. I cry constantly. I love that. I'm here encouraging that.

Like people that I just meet, I'll cry in front of. You know what's fucked up? You know what I just thought? What? I can't cry. I have too much work to do. That's my whole life. Oh, come on, Sudi.

That's insane. We've all seen each other low, low, low. I mean, I've had two and a half mental breakdowns in sudi's office at snl and she's fully just been there just to hold my fucking hand and she has saved my goddamn life i had me i had emotional breakdowns in front of you we've all we literally that's like what we do for fun now is. We don't... I feel like the only time that we're not having a deep, deep probing emotional monologue at each other is when we're at Disney World. It is like...

Or when we're watching Housewives. Honestly, the Disney thing, my fascination and fixation with Disney has made so much more sense to me over time. Yeah. Like in the last year. It's emotional escapism. It's emotional escapism.

It's my inner child being allowed to run free. It's a zone where no one can tell me I'm not happy. The production value. And it's the production value. And also I love the zero G filling in my tummy. It's fun. It's fun. And I love the cheeseburgers.

Wait, when we were in okay so I love an excuse to be it yeah when we went to Nantucket there was this I know

I mean no I love it it's psycho that I get to say the conversation well you know what it is I think Nantucket is France for Americans

yes it is whoa it is the widest place I've ever been yeah yeah yeah and I've been been. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I've been to some white-ass places. And you love the white. Literally, we were at this beer garden by the water.

And people thought you were married. And Sudi said, Sudi goes, there is not a non-white person here. And then I said, over there. And literally, we saw one black person. And then I said, look over there. And so now, we're pointing and staring at people of color. Because we're like, oh, look, there's one.

And so it was just the worst possible. And then I go, OK, now we're pointing at black men and saying, look, OK, not a good look. We've got to stop. But OK, this is a stupid story, but so I'm on this like journey of Nantucket and I'm like, you know, going to this event and I sat at a table at this event, um, with Brittany snow. God bless her. She was so lovely.

And it was Heidi Gardner, Heidi's husband and, um, two other people. And it was kind of like, I joke that we were at a wedding for nobody. It was just kind of like, and we're all at this event and we're making some small talk. But it was one of those things where like somebody was filling up your wine glass when you weren't looking

and they would just like fill it up and fill it up and fill it up. Dangerous. And the party is wrapping up and this was something that was like one of my day after being drunk, like panic thoughts. But I just remember talking about

how much I love Disney World to the table mostly at Brittany Snow and screaming the production value. Yes. That makes me so happy to hear. And I can hear your voice. The production value.

The production value. Was she into it? Was Brittany Snow into it? She was like get me the hell out of here. And also it was that thing where it's like, ball is, I always feel like the ball is in my court. I'm like, we're at a table and not everybody knows each other. Okay. Everybody go around the table and, you know, say your favorite vacation spot.

The three of us are conversational maximalists. Yeah, I am. We just add, add, add, add, add. I'm either there or I'm like, you know, and then nothing. We think more is more and bitch, sometimes it ain't. No, I find that even if people think that, they will realize soon that it is. More is more.

Because I'm the more is more. You're the more is more. I'm the less of the, I'm the least of the more is more. Yeah, I would even move to... Well, can I tell you... Okay, so this was a funny story. Okay. So, Sudi and I...

Can you talk? No, it has to do with Disneyland, actually. Okay. So, post last Summer of Cunt recording, Sudi was writing for the first season of Shrill, and I went out there to visit her, and it was a heat wave. In Portland?

No. Oh, LA. This was in LA. Yeah, the Disneyland in Portland we went to. No, was a heat wave. In Portland? No. Oh, LA. This was in LA. Yeah, the Disneyland in Portland we went to. No, I didn't know. Oh. So we went to Disneyland. Don't attack him.

It was the hottest day of the year. It was 107 degrees. I'm here for you. And we were, we went right, we got stoned, of course, as we all want to do. We went right for the Guardians of the Galaxy Mission breakout ride. We get in line. Oh my God. We get in line. I'm getting, I'm right for the Guardians of the Galaxy mission breakout ride. We get in line. Oh, my God. We get in line.

I'm panic attack just thinking about this. I remember that. We get in line. This girl comes up behind us. She's in line. And we're in line for about five minutes. And it's going to be about a 30-minute wait. So she starts talking to us.

It becomes clear that she's there by herself. She says she's from Alaska. Her husband couldn't come, but when she's down here to come to us, it becomes clear that she's there by herself. She says she's from Alaska. Her husband couldn't come, but she loves when she's down here to come to Disneyland, she loves to do it. I said, that's amazing. We introduced ourselves. She says a name back. Sudi hears one name. I hear another. Yeah. So

that sets a reality. I hear Becky. And I hear Fuffy. Buffy. No, you heard Ducky. Ducky. I heard Ducky. So we heard Becky and Ducky.

And I am positive it's Ducky because how do you mishear Ducky? But then I was like, maybe it was Bucky? There's no way it's Ducky. I heard clear as glass. Her saying, my name's Ducky. Clear as glass. She was a very nice woman yeah so we we are talking to her we're we're talking to her we both think she has two different names

we finally get on the ride and they say how many in your party and i say you know what three oh my she goes really i say yeah we're three we're three. We're just riding together. We've been together, right? Yeah, we've been talking to her for 20 minutes. That's amazing. Yeah. That would be fun. So we do this ride. Wonderful. It's so fun.

The production value. The production value. The way the little raccoon is a puppet, but also he hides. It's great. So then we're getting on. She says, what ride are you going to next? And I say, we're going to Cars. Yeah.

The Cars ride. She goes, I was going to head over to Cars. There's a pause. And then Matt goes, Ducky, would you like to come to Cars with us? And she goes, yes. So we go over there and we're waiting. Oh, well, there was a ride that wasn't working. We went to the Incredicoaster.

It wasn't working. It was too hot for that roller coaster. It was. So she was disappointed and we were all disappointed. She was really upset. She wanted to do it bad. She was like, oh. Oh, no.

Yeah. And then we said, well, we're going to do this one. She goes, okay, me too. And so then we all go. We do the single riders. We all. It gets to the point where they're going to put me and Ducky, Becky, in one car and Sudie in another. And I just go, no, we're going in the same car.

And she understood that. While we're in the car, Sudie turns to me and goes, we have to get rid of Becky. I was like, what? What's her name? She said, Becky. I said, no, it's Ducky. She said, I'm positive it's Becky. And I said, I'm positive it's Ducky.

She said, you're positive it's Becky. And I said, I'm positive it's Ducky. She said, you're positive it's Ducky? Who wrote, I'm sorry, who wrote A Good Man is Hard to Find? That short story collection, that famous short story writer from the 50s. Reader, he's not looking at me. Oh my God. I don't fucking know. Emma, can you Google this? This is a fucking short story out of her book.

And I'm sorry, I keep going. Well, okay. So like literally we spend an hour plus with this woman. Yeah. She's also having too fun a time. Yes.

This is a Flannery O'Connor short story. So basically, she's having too good of a time because we're too fun. She goes, we got to get rid of her.

I'm like, I'm actually shocked that you have not made a hard line on this. I would expect Sudi to be the person. Well, Sudi had her vacation face on.

Yeah. And so she was being I was being, of course, more as more maximalist, conversationalist, being like, let's be nice to this girl. She'll leave on her own at some point. For sure. Was not happening. We had reservations at a restaurant. So eventually we just said...

Which Matt told her that we were going to a restaurant. I told her. I was like, okay, well, we're actually going to go. We were like, this is over now. We're going to go. So then she got both of our emails and never emailed us. But it was so much time. And that was the risk you take when you are a more maximalist conversationalist.

She was very nice. Very nice. But it was getting to the point where it was like... I know. It was cuckoo. Socially, you left... You're supposed to leave a half hour ago. Socially, the cue's done been laid. Done been laid. Yeah. Okay. Wow. Interesting. But listen. But listen.

We had a great time there, and you're gonna come with us again in August? I think so. Okay. Wait, can we just... Did we cover Suity's Summer of Cunt, though? What's your Summer of Cunt? You're gonna do we, do we cover Suzy's Summer of Cunt though? What's your Summer of Cunt? You're going to be in Portland for July and August. That's your, your Summer of Cunt is going to be Portland. My Summer of Cunt is basically where I'm at is, could never, like, imagine, I'm going to take you on a fantasy.

Imagine liking someone. Come on. I think you're going to meet someone in gonna meet someone romantically i can imagine it i haven't even had nary a crush nary a single dalliance of a crush besides one that i recently ended in my mind by unfollowing them on instagram because i think they posted a story of their girlfriend and it hurt too much and And also they were getting too hot. A person I don't know, by the way. A person I don't know in a vintage. Did you tell me a person I've met once? Don't you dare say a word more. I would literally never.

We can't do the coded podcast. Okay, fine, fine, fine. But nary a crush. And I just feel that that is okay. And I am just moving along and I'm going to Portland and I'm going to be living my goddamn Portland life and I'm going to have Saturday

and Sunday off which will be electrifying. Imagine. You can go to a bar. And you'll be there working on Trill. And I'll be there working on Trill which will be so fun and so many fun people work on it and it's fun when you shoot on location because it's like summer camp. It's like summer camp.

We all just know each other. Will Patty Harrison be there the whole time? Yeah. There you go. And so look, it'll be a fun fucking crew. It'll be good friends. It'll be fun. I feel like this is true.

It's like when things are going well, you freak out about the stuff that you don't have in your life. I'm single so a thing that i tend to focus on is like that you know i don't spend enough time with my friends or like you know my friends are gone you were gone and like you know i have fewer friends in new york than i used to or my social time and i'm trying to trick my brain into just being like don't worry about those things don't worry about those things. Don't worry about those things. Yeah, that's good. Because also like it's good and it's fine. It's fine. And you're doing great.

And you practice gratitude and that begets more joy and all that. And now we turn to you. This is a thing that I'm kind of talking through in therapy. One time, did I tell you this? I was talking to my therapist about like i have all these really like intense intense meetings and flings with these guys who are either going to move to another city or live in another city or um are kind of just there's an there's some transient there's some transience there some some some element of like well this is only temporary and so therefore the stakes are either are both lower and higher for me to be like

well the stakes are lower so that i can just be more honest with you and say this is how i feel about you because my time is limited so i'm going to tell you the truth and then the stakes are higher because so it's like um let's do as much as we can right right so it's accelerated so it's accelerated and then so there's that on one end and then on the other is I'm going on dates with people here where I'm just like,

they're perfectly great people on paper, but the fact that they're here and that they're available kills any interest. It's scary to you. It's not that scary. It's just that I'm like

not interested. When it's easy, you don't want it. And that's it. And it's like, and then like, my therapist yesterday was like, why do you want a boyfriend? And I'm like not when it's easy you don't want it and that's it and it's like and and and I and then like my therapist yesterday was like why do you want a boyfriend and I was like I don't know and then the best answer I could come up with was um to supplement my life that I already have because a lot of things in my life are going well and she goes supplement what what an interesting

word can you explain that and I was just like i guess uh i'm gonna draw a metaphor right now these guys that i'm on these short flings with are like are like painkillers they're like vicodin and then the a boyfriend would be like a vitamin it's the difference between like something sustained and something that's like helps as opposed to soothes helps as opposed to soothes helps is is is is not you scratching an itch. It's just you like keeping your permanence going, like making your whole body holistically better. And it's like, oh, I guess I'm just not ready for the vitamins.

And I only want Vicodin. I also feel like in our society, relationships are an accomplishment. Yeah. Finding a partner is framed. To be applauded. Yes, it's framed as an accomplishment. Yeah. Finding a partner is- To be applauded. Yes, it's framed as an accomplishment. Finding love and somebody you want to commit to is a beautiful thing.

But it's, I think it's like the word accomplishment I'm using really specifically because it feels like an accolade. And I feel because of that, a lot of people, especially women, settle. Because it's that thing that if you don't have is you didn't get that trophy. You didn't get that ring, literally. And I think love is beautiful.

And I think commitment is beautiful. And that is like true. And I don't want to take away from that. And that can be such a gorgeous, gorgeous thing to have in your life and honestly a fucking miracle yes it really is and I'm not taking away from that and that truth and that beauty it's the frame of it yes especially

when it's like we're moving in together and we're getting married and these steps and that steps and I catch myself in that line of thinking all the time, which I never thought that I would be that girl. God.

I never thought. I never thought. God, this is, I mean, you know what? Sudie's our fucking Fran Lebowitz, you know? Like, what a thinker, what a mind. God damn it, Sudie. I wish I could shut the fuck up. No.

I always think that. I'm in my house and I'm just like, I wish I could shut the hell up. In terms of your brain doing too my house and i'm just like i wish i could shut the hell up in terms of your brain doing too much yeah i mean i'm an overthinker du jour yeah i think what also like i listen to um i don't know i just think like in the times that we're in and there's just like a lot of like so much trauma so much anxiety in the air i mean it's such a dark dark time and it feels like it's only getting worse and i constantly feel bad and i'm just trying to figure out why can i ask you a question do you think i'm not either and now that i'm back i do want to go but now i don't know

where i'm going to be staying can i ask you a question do you think that the fact that you are sort of obsessing over this thing could have to do with the fact that you write on Shrill? Oh, about like body stuff? Yes. I mean, totally. I mean, it's, you know, conversations that we have in the writer's room. I think it's like, you know, in college. But it's been an idea that has been in my mind for a long time.

And I'm definitely not the only one thinking about it. In college, I took this women in media class that really blew my mind. And we read this book that's a very famous book by Naomi Wolf called The Beauty Myth. And it truly blew my mind because it just broke down, you know, how beauty is an industry and there are billions and billions and billions of dollars focused on women feeling bad about themselves so that they will buy more products. It is a distraction that makes us weaker.

It is, it's an effort to control us. And, you know, there was just a New York Times op-ed about this. And I'm also like, you know, there's now this intuitive eating movement. I'm not the only one thinking about this, but I think that it was something that I had always thought of because, you know, I'm trying to be a fucking woke-ass feminist bitch. But definitely Shrill makes me think about it. It makes me really proud that I'm on a show that talks about it.

Yeah. I was thinking about what it must feel like to, to work on a show that this is very much like a central idea. And then also work at SNL, which is you have to think about the reality and the dark darkness of the world. You know what I mean? It's like those two things are maybe the fact,

this is not to me, therapize you or whatever the word would be, but you know, um, the fact that analyze arm channelize the fact that those two things hold such a thing. I mean, you are literally working with those ideas.

I mean, writing on the other two, I found that, um, after it wrapped, once I was given the space to think about relationship stuff, I really was because, you know, in the show, the character deals

with a lot of relationship stuff. Well, I think that it can be just so liberating on the one hand to see dark days in politics and talk about it on SNL, to see dark days for women and talk about it on Shrill and, you know, everything in between.

I also feel like I've always been the type of person where I'm like give me the truth I want to see I want to be awake I want to be out of the cage I want to know the cage and I said this to you the other day or like a couple weeks ago which was like I can't be friends with liberated with women who aren't

liberated anymore I can't do it I always say Sudi is the one who first showed me all the Pepsi cans. Ah, for X Factor. I made you awake. I said to her, come over and watch the X Factor. I love it. And there was a scene where a girl in a short skirt

sang a song for Simon Cowell in his backyard and she said, look at all the Pepsi cans. Look how they slowly pan up her body and in every shot there's a pepsi can everywhere and i was like no and i was like she was like yes and i was like no no no and she was like yes and human life is suffering it was just you know it was just pepsi but you know what you used to do which i think i is is you've grown so much in this way is that i remember because i think also like it's

just our upbringings or whatever what we were interested in we were just sort of in different places and i feel like as you became more politically aware and more aware of just kind of everything going around you in the beginning you used to resist it and go like, well now I feel stupid. And I feel wrong for not seeing it. And that was your reaction a lot. And I gotta say, you do not do that anymore at all. I used to say that. I don't even remember saying that.

You would get defensive. Sudi and I would tell you something about, well that's actually how this works. We would probably... Because we're assholes. Because I was about to say we probably came at it from the wrong angle, too. But then, like, yeah, I would remember... Two 20-year-olds being like, well,

actually... And then your... My class just told me. I know. Truly. And then you... But then your knee-jerk thing was like, well, I didn't know that, and now I feel worse for not knowing. And now I don't think you ever ever ever go to that place anymore which I think is perfect

I see you I am changing oh my god I you just finished less I think Matt should read less I've been told that I should read this book in my oh you're gonna fucking love it and Sudi texted me right and the ending is beautiful and I cry every time I read it I feel that we

drifted away from your summer of cunt. Oh, no, that's all I got to say. It's like I'm just like fully all over the place emotionally. And I'm feeling a little overworked, but not at the same extent as Sudi is. But I just have these things. You don't have to say that. You're allowed to feel just overworked. I'm sequentially overworked, whereas you're probably like everything's happening at the same time.

I love to be busy. I like being busy, but I'm also like, I fetishized my time off for so long while the season was on and I was like, I'm going to have a couple months to myself. I can't wait. And then I literally got this, and I'm so grateful to get the job, but I got this job three weeks after we wrapped. And I moved into a new apartment and that swallowed up all my time

and I just didn't really have a chance to breathe. But I do think it's good to like check in on ourselves because for so long we complained about not having the careers that we have and now you know yeah i think we got to check ourselves sometimes and be like yeah i am so busy but like also like that's is that interesting i mean another thing we just talked about with with betty was like those times when you struggle in your 20s and you're like fuck I wish I was like successful I wish I had money I wish I like was on I wish I had a TV credit I wish

I got JFL you know I wish I wish this I wish I worked on SNL like all these things and then you look back and you were like actually those were really good times you know those times when we would travel with like pop roulette and go to different cities and stuff. And then Sudi would throw up out of an Uber and then we would help her.

I would just throw up basically in all the cities that we would travel in the land. The thing about Sudi Green is when she drinks, she throws up. And I love nothing more than to be there for her. Yeah, 100%. See, not me. When people puke around me, it's a game over. No, I'm always, and I love nothing more than to be there for her. Yeah, 100%. See, not me. I can't, when people puke around me, it's a game over. No, I'm there. Well, it's bad and nasty.

And I also am the kind of puker who's like immediately like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Cleaning up like drunkenly with paper towels. That's me. That's the way. No, but that's where we came from. And I do. But poverty is never fun. Poverty is not fun. It's never fun. You, but that's where we came from. And I do. But poverty is never fun.

Poverty is not fun. It's never fun. You know what I was just realizing the other day? Like, remember when we went to South Carolina? We went like and we were in Charleston and there was that really nice restaurant. Husk. We were all going to go to Husk and then you and. Sudi and I couldn't go because we were too poor.

So funny. We had no, we had no money. I had no business going there either, but I was deluded. It was like, I'm going to go and overdraft. Well, your thing is you've always been really good had no money. I had no business going there either, but I was deluded. I was like, I'm going to go and overdraft. Well, your thing is you've always been really good with your money. You've always spent it on exact right things.

You've always had expensive tastes. I know. I'll never forget that sweatshirt. Maison Kitsune. I was Marie Kondo-ing my shit for this move, and I came across that sweater, and I was like, sweater. Did you get rid of it? No. You should give it to me.

I was like, I can't throw it. I can give it to you. Should we explain? So Maison Kitsune. So first of all, Kitsune is this Japanese brand of clothing. It's that kind of mid-price, mid-range luxury fashion. And one day in Pop Roulette, we were all like 22, 23. We're all living paycheck to paycheck,

working our survival jobs down. One day I walk in, and I'm wearing this sweater that just says, just plain. Just crew sweater. Crew sweater. Gray sweater with blue lettering. That just says Maison Kitsune.

And then I just go, I wasn't proud of it. I was ashamed. I'll tell you exactly what happened. I'll tell you exactly what happened go I don't was I wasn't proud of it I was ashamed I'll tell you exactly what happened I'll tell you exactly what happened I was like that's a nice sweatshirt you said yeah it's new it's designer I said oh how much was it he said I don't want to tell you I said what

was it like $60 he said no it was more than that and I said what was it like $150 you said no it was more than that I i said what was it like 150 you said no it was more than that i said how much was that sweatshirt you said it was 330 and i said and we all were like this was at the time when we would make a popular video for 300 bucks i know remember that we would get a camera we get a light and we make a video and that was content and i was like you could have financed i know a pop roulette

video and that was like and you're that sweatshirt is great and i remember i told you i i was such a bitch i said i wouldn't pay over 40 bucks for that sweatshirt it was my first like big per like big purchase and now look at you throwing it out and i didn't throw it out it's in my closet if it's even better yeah oh my god you're i feel like i, I didn't throw it out. It's in my closet. If it's even better. Yeah. Oh, my God. I feel like, I don't know. I'm trying to think what's the craziest purchase I've made over the last year.

Probably, honestly, like. But do you guys feel. I don't buy shit. I buy too much. I mean, I feel like a lot of the times I don't know what to buy. Yeah. But so I'm just like spending like a lot of money on like mid-level garbage like at Anthropologie. But do you guys feel guilt?

Yeah. I feel so much guilt. All the time. And I'm talking about this in therapy. Guilt is my favorite. I love to feel bad and I love to make everything a wrong or right decision. Guilt is the simplest form of suffering because you can invent it at any time in a way that suits you or works against you in a

convenient way. Yeah, I feel guilty right now. You can just create guilt out of thin air. Yeah, I just did it. And then you feel pain. What do you feel? You feel pain. I feel pain. And it's self-inflicted constantly. Yeah, I did it to myself just now. And that is what that was. That is what that

was. Actually, that is the smartest thing I've said all night is that guilt is the simplest form of suffering. You've said so many smart things all night. Come on. But I stand by this. Guilt is the simplest form of suffering. Can I say two things as an addendum to my summer of cunts? Yes.

I just want to say, as I was sitting here, I realized the reason, the chief reason I was so upset about coming back from L.A. was because I miss Greta Teitelman. Of course. That was why. The queen in the dream. And that was why I started crying in the apartment. And just the best person. Yeah.

And that is some, I just want to say that she and Abe Schwartz are my guardian angels. And they gave me their friendship and their home and i love them so much and greta is my sister and she's all of our sisters and also speaking of true beautiful love that should be celebrated greta greta and abe oh my god just like i could cry thinking about her we talked today on the phone but and the other thing is i just want to say one more thing about my sister i'm so proud of her and i didn't want, I just want to say one more thing about my sister. I'm so proud of her. And I didn't want,

I don't want to frame her as like this anxious person that, that like was nervous. She did it. She, she, she bucked up and quit her job and left a situation that wasn't working for her. And I'm fucking proud. And that's growth.

And yes, that's great. I love those addendums. I love those. And yes, queen. And I say, yes, of course, yes, of course, queen, all the all of those addendums. I love those addendums. And yes, queen. And I say yaks of corks. And yaks of corks, queen.

To all the queens and the dreams and the creams. And I just wanted to shout out both my sisters there. Yes. And now it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. Okay. This is I Don't Think So Honey. This is the segment in which we go off on something in culture for one minute. Oh, boy. What do you think? I have one. Yeah, I culture for one minute. Oh boy.

What do we think? I have one. Yeah, I actually have one. It's shocking. Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey and his time starts now. I don't think so honey. Avocado.

It can get the fuck lost. I don't understand why people like it so much and here's why. I don't think so honey, the consistency of avocado in things. It frequently stands out. It is chalky. Honestly, it has like a like clay-ish like sort of material, which doesn't go well with salad.

I'm sorry. I don't think so, honey, avocado. You can taste it above all else. 30 seconds. If you include avocado in your burger, sandwich, whatever, and you think you're going to taste anything else, I don't think so, honey. Avocado is here to stay and slay.

Unfortunately, avocado is a huge part of guacamole, which I do think so, honey. But if I have to choose, 15 seconds. If I'm given the choice, I say get rid of it. Also, I don't think so, honey. What is it, a fruit or a vegetable? Answer.

I believe it's fruit. You don't even know. I don't think so honey what is it a fruit or a vegetable answer uh i believe you don't even know i don't know if bowen yang doesn't know i don't think so honey and that's one minute it's a fruit because it's around a seed i know you're right around the seat i know you're right you're right i know you're right what's that movie what's that movie when harry met sally oh yes and power couple oh yeah that's right ourselves couple you too oh my god please if you haven't watched matt rogers sudi green's iconic mini web series miniseries it's a miniseries power couple directed by peter kelly wait which was on above average and then matt sent it to me the other day and now it's on comedy central presents yeah yeah i was like god wait you know we didn't do this whole episode, which I can't believe?

We didn't talk about Big Little Lies. Oh, well, by, you know. Do you guys still do a Patreon? No. I don't think so. We're too busy, bitches. What are you thinking in one sentence or less about Big Little Lies season two?

One sentence? Heightened, cartoonish, but don't hate it, reality. Candy that could get a little too sweet that could give you

a stomachache later. I'm going to say that it could. I see it possibly like being a little too much. I'm going to say in the words of see it possibly like being a little too much I'm going to say in the words of Gia Gunn cuckoo crazy cunts

it is off the rails and I just it's off the rails but I also love that I mean I love that I love that everybody is just

at a full 12 yeah okay I have my own I don't think so honey about another HBO thing and so I don't wow

okay here is Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey as time And so I don't. Wow. Okay. Here is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so. Honey, as time starts now, I don't think so. Honey, euphoria.

It's really freaking me the fuck out because you know why it's, it's euphoria and books weren't, are both making me feel very sexually stunted. And I know it's part of the queer narrative that especially the gay narrative from our generation that like, you know, like we had to sort of like subdue, subdue,

subdue ourselves or sexualities and whatever. But I, I'm just like all you know, like we had to sort of like subdued, subdued, subdued ourselves or sexualities and whatever. But I'm just like all these teens, these hot teens are having sex all the time with all these hot, these other hot teens or in some cases, hot adults such as Eric Dane. And so you're just like, oh, my God, like what? 30. I wasn't having this much sex and I'm not. Am I having the sex I should be having now? Because I I'm I'm I'm catching up up and I got a late start and like so see it's like really putting me in my fucking head

with my sexual confidence and identity and I don't think so honey. 15 seconds. This show that you know is well produced and well done it's a little that can be a little much and that's like everyone's at a 12 at all times but like I don't think so honey. 5. Euphoria for just

really throttling me down the sexual crisis and that's one minute is it good i like the pilot a lot i haven't seen the second episode yet so we're we're recording this um right after the second episode aired apparently the second episode has like the fit the fantasy sequence maybe with the 30 decks it's never it's never like that in high school i know it's like dawson's creek they were talking about fucking proust when they were 17 you know what i mean like when i that in high school. I know. I mean, it's like Dawson's Creek. They were talking about fucking Proust when they were 17. I know, I know, I know. You know what I mean? Like, when I was in high school and I was watching the OC, I knew that that wasn't.

Oh, I know. The OC wasn't real. It's all, it's all nuts. Yeah. But I'm just like, I still like, you still see it in front of you. And so then you reflect on it yourself and you're just like, I wasn't like that and so I'm fucked up anyway. I mean, I see anybody having sex at any age on screen and I'm like, what is that?

How are they doing that? How is Zendaya on it? She's great. I like her a lot. Zendaya is incredible. Zendaya is amazing. Also like- Is it Zendaya?

Zendaya, yeah. Zendaya. Wow, and we're all learning. And we're all learning. How can we read the story? For me to be mine. No one can read the story. And you're the one I want to find.

It's not up to you. It's not up to me. When no one can say What we're meant to be And how can we rewrite The stars Say you were made to be ours Tonight

None of those words were right. That was incredible. That was so good. That was so good. That was so good. That was so good. That was so good. That was so good. That was so good. That was so good. Sudie, are you ready?

Yeah. This is Sudie Greens. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Men that I bring back to my apartment making little snide comments about how nice it is. Oh!

I'm like, bitch, you threatened? It's like, yeah, I have a nice apartment. I also have four jobs. Nice to meet you. It's like, I'm sorry that, like, you have to go home to, like, your five-roommate squat pad, you know, where you're all just, like,

looking at Tinder next to each other and, like, sharing one big bowl of rice i have a nice home that i work hard for and also when you go into my space unless it's like wow nice apartment or great apartment i don't want to hear it i'm doing mental leaps and jumps and i'm on a roller coaster to even want to have sex with you. You are playing with fire. Anything you could say could make me have a bad experience. I'm sorry. And for you to say, wow, SNL must pay really good. Yeah, bitch.

It does. And that's one minute. As if that's some like discovery. Multiple, multiple men. And also it's like. At that point, they're already in your apartment. Sorry, multiple men. And also it's like- At that point, they're already in your apartment. Sorry, go ahead. It's like, I don't want to sound like bougie

or whatever the fuck, but it's like you were saying that because you were threatened because you now know that I make more money. Truly women wouldn't say that to men. No. A woman going over to the house of a supervising writer at SNL

wouldn't be like, oh my God, SNL must pay really good. Like, they wouldn't say that. No, because it's like assumed that the guy would have a nicer apartment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Except for like in actual real life where it literally never happens. Ever happens. Like, imagine if Carrie walked into Mr. Big's apartment and she was like, wow, being Mr.

Big must pay really well. Absolutely not. God. Oh my god. Big must pay really well. Absolutely not. God. Oh, my God. I can't believe that. It's such... It's also probably so hard to get, sorry, but wet when they say that. Yeah, it sucks the sex out of it.

Now I just feel like you're threatened or like now it's like a low status situation and it's not horny. But guess what? I'd go for it anyway. I feel like my apartment is too small to fuck in. That's not true. I mean, I've done it, but like it's a small zone.

I feel like the thing in your apartment is the ventilation and I think if you had a lot of sex, it would really smell like sex. I know. In a good or bad way. The last time it was in your apartment. I think kind of in a good way. It's never, I light a lot of candles. I love that. Anyway. It smelled like masturbation the last

time. Shut up. My apartment always smells like weed and cum. The Matt Rogers story. That's my fragrance though. My fragrance, Gay Son, will be released soon and it will smell like weed and cum for your son. Who's gay. That's the tagline.

For your son who's gay. For your son who's gay. You've got to put that beat in there. Gay son by Matt Rogers. For your son who's gay. Honestly, maybe that's merch. Maybe that's merch. Gay son by Matt Rogers.

For your son who's gay. Maybe that's merch. Gay son by Matt Rogers. For your son, who's gay. Oh, quick poll. I mean, I read this by Matt, and we did not come to an agreement about the copy, but I had a prototype designed for, not a prototype, but for just Bowen Yang as a white bitch. So I think Bowen Yang as a white bitch

is a very funny shirt, but I wonder if more people would buy it if it just said white bitch. I don't know. Yeah, but is that okay for people out of context to wear a white bitch shirt? It's like a little white pride-y. I feel, yeah. It's like ironic white pride.

I know. I feel more comfortable having that on someone. Bowen Yang is a white bitch. It should be a picture of you and then the words white bitch. White bitch. Out of an Asian person? Yes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

A picture of you or a caricature of you and then it says white bitch underneath it? No, I think it should be a photo picture, like glossy, like the ones we get

at the mall in the 90s. Yeah, it should be very 90s aesthetic for sure. Okay, that's it. Thank you, Sudie. Yeah, you're welcome. Sudie will get a cut of the merch and she still has not seen any of,

we literally put her words on fucking merch and she has not been paid a cent. Yeah, well. That wasn't part of the agreement that she'd ever be paid. I know, but you know what? SNL must pay really well.

SNL paid really well, huh? Well, this has been the Summer of Cunt to the Clumps. And another iconic episode with Sudi, another inductee into the Three Timers Club, one of two. well this has been the summer of cunt to the clumps and another iconic episode with Suti another inductee into the three timers club one of two

I'm honored I'm legit honored it's you and Joel is that it that's it I think that's it Pat hasn't been on three times Pat's I mean

if you count see culture but I am truly honored and being friends with you was the best career decision I ever made being friends with you was the best career decision I ever made. Being friends with Sudi is,

I am grateful every day that I'm friends with Sudi Green. Yeah, me too. Oh, wait, can I just talk about this stupid fucking thing I did a couple weeks ago? I was on my way back from Chicago, and literally you texted me, you were like, Sudi's, this was after the panic attack, we'll call it, when Sudi Green called me. You're blowing out my spot right now, but go ahead. What? you texted me you were like this was after the panic attack we'll call it when you're blowing up my spot right now but go ahead

what that I called in my recon no but I knew that I already knew and I loved it and we all know this is that you were like after I called Matt I was crying and you were like you should really make an effort and hang out with the studio I was like okay great yeah for sure and then I go hey let's go see Shakespeare in the Park on

Tuesday when I get back from Chicago and then the first thing you said was not oh great or yay the first thing you said was did Matt tell you I'm sad but I love that you did that and we do that all the time about each other yeah well guess what I always know when you're talking shit about me whenever

whenever I want you to know I have a sixth sense that I always know when you two are talking about me. Because it's after you behave badly. No, I never behaved badly. I've only ever behaved well. And it's guilt. Anyway. We end every episode with this song.

You know I want you. It's not a secret I try to hide. What is the next part? Why don't we rewrite the stars? Say you were made to be mine. Nothing good to keep us apart. This was one of the best movies I've ever seen. And Sudhia Green and I saw it in the movie theater.

And she said it was disgustingly bad. And I said it was so fucking good. It was laughably bad and I thought that we were having a great ironic experience watching The Greatest Showman and Matt out of spite I believe loved it. Do you want to know who is rumored

to love The Greatest Showman? Never enough! Never! Never! Do you know the rumor that Trump fucking loves The Greatest Showman? It's his favorite fucking movie. This is true. Yeah, because minorities are labeled as freaks in that movie. I mean, it's fully like a person, you know, with a woman with a beard and some differently abled people.

And Zendaya. In the circus. And a light-skinned black girl. And then literally it's like an Asian person, an albino person, and then people of color. And they're like, we're the freaks of the circus. A light-skinned black girl. And then literally, it's like an Asian person, an albino person, and then people of color. And they're like, we're the freaks of the circus. It's like, hold up. It fits. It fits.

Never enough. Never, never, never enough. For me. For me. For me. For me. For me! We're back, Emma. Forever!

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