Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Teen Witches & Dog Psychics" (w/ Gabe Liedman)

Episode Date: March 18, 2020

This week, Matt and Bowen are joined by truly wonderful beacon of joy Gabe Liedman, whose standup who had an IMPACT on the girls at a formative moment in their lives. They discuss writing for TV, the upcoming Q-Force (The pitch? "Netflix presents an animated Gay James Bond"! You already love!), The Craft, Scream, Fairuza Balk as a 90's icon, and ask the Star or Actress? question of Queen Neve Campbell. They also get into how Drew Barrymore is a one of a kind movie star, and are regaled with the tale of Gabe's experience with a dog psychic. Hear us out!!! Also: I Don't Think So Honeys that will shake you. Check out Gabe's podcast "I'm Afraid That..." on Lil Everywhere! Gabe Liedman is ALL OF US RIGHT NOW! SEND. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And I just finished writing a speech about Bowen Yang. Oh, my God. And I just started writing a speech about myself, which is truly the worst, worst, worst thing I've ever seen. It has to be horrifying. It's truly bad. And every, I'm second guessing myself, every sentence I'm like,

I would, no one would ever say this. So Bowen is getting an award from the Human Rights Campaign. Thank you very much. They campaign for human rights. Yes. Among many other things. And they're LGBTQ.

We should say that. And they asked me, could I present Bowen with the HRC's Visibility Award? Yes. And so I just typed up a little speech for you and cried. I cried on the way there. Did you cry writing about yourself? No.

It's so bad. You're probably going to, everyone in this room is going to do it at some point in their lives. Everyone's going to get the HR. It's actually rule. It's so, you're probably going to, everyone in this room is going to do it at some point in their lives. And it's, everyone's going to get the HR, it's actually rule of culture number 17.

Everyone at some point is going to get the HRC visibility award. And it's really, I, you're very visible. I just hate writing about myself.

I'm not good at talking about myself. I really don't think I'm good at talking about myself. So is it a thank you speech? Have they given you a directive? No, there's no directive,

but I've watched basically everyone else who's gotten, like they put them up on YouTube. Great speeches all around from wonderful people who've gotten in the past. And I just want to do a good job. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure, I think. It's just, I want to make it fun. Not fun.

I just want to make it like, have a nice little patina of like you know you want to you want it to to impact charm to it i but it's not even impact i just want it to be like i just want to try to say something kind of kind of new but there's nothing new under the sun it's not even a fun speech where you might not you know you don't know if you're gonna win so you can write in a little thing up top about being like oh my god the humility yeah you know what i mean like do you okay so when you were a young child and gay did you ever think what would you would say if you won a major award i have a line that i have prepared i don't know i can't do i i would i

would like fantasize about it but i would never it would never get to the point where i would like phone it and like say stuff okay well i'm bravely gonna say that i had a whole first line prepared yeah and this is what it is oh my god well whoever counted this is getting fired so that's me that and now guess what i can't use that file so now i'm gonna have to go no to write new write whoever whoever counted this is getting fired well uh let's just all this proves is that someone can't count not good that's i, it depends on the delivery. It's one of those things. You know what I'm always nervous about when I watch those awards?

Like when someone wins and they say, and the people in my category, Renee, Charlize, Lupita, that they'll forget someone and it will be the worst moment of my life. Watching. Watching. Oh, you would not do that.

No, but you know who did do it kate winslet forgot miss angelina jolie when she won her oscar she was like who else who else oh angelina and she's screaming i don't know about kate at award shows i really don't whoa we're about to get into it we're about to get into it kate at award shows gather gather remember when she won her golden globe award and she kept telling herself gather gather yeah it's there there are for some reason it like does not Kate's award

show girl sort of behavior is as if not more it's more despicable than Anne's I gotta say and Anne also and no Doug we're going there. Engineer Doug, stop.

And this might get me in trouble, but I, I always forget you could get in trouble now. Well, we all, we all can. For saying things like Kate Winslet is despicable at award shows. It's a dangerous path you walk nowadays.

She's being an HRC visible. She's an undeniable talent. Oh, yes. We all have to do better at award shows. We all have to do better at award shows. We all have to do better. Who crushes award shows, though? I don't think anybody does.

Not Gaga. Not Gaga. Not, truly, there's no one person in Hollywood right now who is crushing it at award shows. I feel like I'm in that John Patrick Shanley film, Moonstruck. Gaga. You gotta be kidding. They know who directed Moonstruck. They should have started

the music right there. Like, Jesus fucking Christ. You know. Get her out of here. I'm going to say something, you know, kind of annoying. Truly the only person

who was like such a fun character to watch this season was Peng Junho. He was great. And Sharon Choi, the interpreter. Icon to me. And there was rumors that- Would like her on the show.

Rumors that she is writing a script about awards, like about this whole experience. But she denied it vehemently in the last week. She was like, I'm not working on a script. I'm working on something that's very close to home. It takes place in Korea. What is it? And it's not a script?

Well, she's working on the script. But at some point in my career, I'm still processing this whole moment in my life. And at some point, I will know what to do with it creatively, which I can't wait. I can't wait for that. Well, best of luck to Sharon. Best of luck to Sharon. Best of luck to you receiving the award. I hope you give a fine speech.

I think you'll be wonderful. I think you're talented. Thank you. I think that you have a lot of talent. I think you have a lot of talent. And you're going to make me cry. I didn't say I was worried about my speech. You said you were worried about your speech. I was wishing you're talented. Thank you. I think that you have a lot of talent. I think you have a lot of talent and you're going to make me cry. I didn't say I was worried about my speech. You said you were worried about your speech.

I was wishing you the best. I wasn't even reassuring you. I know I'm very talented. Yes, and I'm just sort of validating in addition. Speaking of my talent and writing scripts. Oh my God. Here's the thing about our guest. My boss even.

Your boss even. And the showrunner. Yes. Of, I have to say, a show that is going to, and this is like, I'm going to just bravely say it. Please say it. It will become a part of the culture. I can't wait. It will become a part of the culture.

You have been telling me little bits and pieces. I literally, of the story, and I'm just like, I can't believe. Yeah. I mean, I can't believe anything close to that is going to happen. I told, I was telling Bowen earlier, like I, I spoil Bowen. Not with gifts,

but with information. And I told him today about something that happens in the show. Q force coming to Netflix, June, 2021. So we'll have to have him back. Yes. Um,

but I told him something that happened and he was like, that's crazy. You can't do that. And I said, we can, and we're going to, I love it. that happened, and he was like, that's crazy. You can't do that. And I said, we can, and we're going to. I love it. Cue Force, everyone.

It stars Sean Hayes as the pitch is, just a three-word pitch. There you go. Gay James Bond. And it's sold in the room. I'm in. And it's sold in the room.

It was a three-word pitch. Did it sell in the room? It did. It sold in the room. Oh my God, and you love to see it because- You love to see it because you love to see

it that's that it feels like a fantasy it was like a dream to me it feels like a dream when you it feels like that it feels like that okay and then but like the other credits we got it we gotta go go off um written on every good show every good show show. Pen15. Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Broad City. Broad City. Inside Amy Schumer. Truly. Transparent. Transparent. Quirrell Show. Yeah.

And. Iconic sketch show. Iconic sketch show. Iconic third of Big Terrific. Absolutely. And can you believe part of the trifecta that is Big Terrific was the straight man who's the first person to be on this podcast. I know.

Max Silvestri. Max Silvestri. Max Silvestri. We have not yet had the pleasure of having Jenny Slate. Have you met Jenny Slate? I have not met her. I passed her in a hallway and she was wearing an amazing outfit. Always. And I know our guest thinks highly of her. Of course. And Max. And Max. And just gently

got to know him last year at Golden Globes. Oh yes, you guys wrote for the Globes together. Very fun. And you and I. Yeah. Oh, this is good. Have formatively sort of interacted with his stand-up album. He doesn't know this.

He doesn't know this. And there's a whole story that we have to tell him about. Well, we will tell him. Yes. After we bring him in. Because I believe it's time to do so. It's time to do so. So, Matt, why don't you do the honors?

You got to absolutely give it up for Gabe Leidman! Ellen, you pulled out a water bottle. I pulled out a water bottle. I scooted my chair two inches forward to be a part of the show. It was weird to sit there for all of that. I made me blush. Was that too long? No, it was beautiful.

Well, I have to say, I'm having the best time writing on the show. I love working with you. You're an amazing writer. You're so funny. You're a great energy. I love having the best time writing on the show. I love working with you. You're an amazing writer. You're so funny. You're a great energy. I love having you around. Your ideas are great. Oh, my God.

You're really good at writing TV. You're really good. That makes me feel very, very happy. Thank you for saying that. And you're an amazing actor. Oh, gosh. Let me tell you. We don't talk about this.

It's a room full of people, of writers who perform. That is true. It is very writer-performer heavy. You know who's so- There's only one person who doesn't want to perform. Who is that? Tim. Oh, right. Our script coordinator. It is very writer, performer heavy. You know who's so- There's only one person who doesn't want to perform. Who is that? Tim.

Oh, right. Script coordinator. Our script coordinator, Tim. He's like, don't put me in the show. Yeah, he's the only one I asked. I mean, I want to cast everyone.

Yeah. That's the dream. That's the Cinderella story. Yeah, that is. That's actually what happens in Cinderella. Yeah. That's what happens in Cinderella.

She's a writer in a room. She gets the part. She's a writer in a room. She crushes the table read. She absolutely crushes. Execs see her and they're like, put a shoe on her. And they put the shoe on her and they're like, well, you know, it doesn't fit, but she has a good voice.

Yeah. Take her out of the pumpkin. I don't know if she's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they put makeup on her and she's beautiful. She looks like Anna Kendrick.

Yep. In her big blue dress. Yeah. With a huge blue dress. Anna Kendrick beautiful. Can I ask, would her big blue dress. Yeah, with her huge blue dress. Anna Kendrick beautiful. Can I ask, would you, if given the opportunity, cast yourself in this? I already have. Oh, you know he's in it.

I already have. It was the first thing I did before I even wrote a script. Come on. Yeah, I wrote myself a part that I think could be in every episode. Yes. And I'm going to twist arms until that comes true. Yeah, yeah. Actually, wow, now I'm going to be actively thinking about more places we can put this character

in. 100%. Because I feel we need to get we need to get, I mean, even the other day like, you were talking about like what's best for the episode and we were like, I think we're going to cut this character out. And I thought to myself, I was like you're talking yourself out of scale. You could have had scale. I did. I said now this show owes me 600 bucks.

And that's it. But, you know, you have to look humble every once in a while and then you can pull some shit. Exactly. He's coming back. And that's it. But, you know, you have to look humble every once in a while and then you can pull some shit. Exactly, exactly. He's coming back. Yeah, no, he's coming back. He's gone for a day.

He's getting the tag. Yeah. At the end of the day, if they don't get it, put him in the, take him in the tag. That's exactly right. And I'm going to sing the theme song.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And I was thinking like Gay James Bond, like what say you, Bowen? Let's get your Bowen Yang opinion on this. Do we do instrumental

like Incredibles-esque music, like, orchestral? Or do we get, in your opinion, should we try to get a damn Bond diva song? Yeah. Can't you do both? Isn't there a world where you do both? I guess we could incorporate strings into both. I mean, absolutely. I mean, I think a lot of those Bond songs start with strings.

That is true. It can be both. I guess, like, well, now Bond song can be string. That is true. It can be both. I guess like, well, now a Bond song can be anything. Yeah, truly it can, but I feel like the queerest Bond song was Die Another Day.

I was going to say, but it is also in the most different. It is so fascinating. It's such a dance song. And usually they're painfully slow. Right. What do you think of the Billy one? I'm fine with it.

It's kind of, I haven't like re-listened. I mean, also Adele's too. I'm fine with it. It's kind of neither here nor there. I mean, also Adele's, too. I'm not going to listen to that. I have to tell you, I listen to it all the time. You do? Am I wrong? I listen to it all the time. I don't think you're wrong.

I think I'm probably deeply, deeply wrong. But also, the Academy does agree with me. That's right. And they're never, ever off in their taste. And they're actually never wrong. It's actually Real Culture. Crash deserved it. It's Real Culture number 12. Crash deserved it. And then you never, ever off in their taste. Actually, it's actually real culture. Crash deserved it. It's real culture number 12.

Crash deserved it. And then you have to make a face like this. Sorry. They're shrugging for those of you at home. Because podcasts are a visual medium. We should carry that over. We should carry that over. We absolutely are.

But yeah, so I'm having the best time writing for it. It's so fun. It's a good room. It's like, for me, it's a scary job. But it's so fun. It's the most fun I've ever had at work. I love everyone. It's so nice.

The fives are so good. The Jew in me literally only cares if everyone else is getting along with each other. Is that the Jew? That's the middle child? It's the something in me. Yeah, I get it. If the scripts sucked, if the show got canceled, I would care less

than if everyone who was sitting at the table with me were mad at each other. Oh my God. Just that everyone likes each other is such a huge load off for me.

I mean, you've also been involved in a lot of shows. I've worked on some dramatic places. Yeah, you've probably seen it all. I have seen quite a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In fact, we do have conversations here and there because guess what, Hollywood? People talk. People talk. So you know why people talk? So when you act a fool, just know that people talk. It's actually real culture number 33.

People talk. When you act a fool, Hollywood, people talk. Now, Gabe, is this a thing where it's like you've accrued all of this, like, well, when I run a room, I'm going to do this. Like, is this all sort of coming true? Yes, I have some rules of workplace, let's say.

I've been really strict about not having late hours. I don't know if that has crept into your life in any way. Bowen, do you work late? Yeah. Yeah. I've worked on so many shows where you watch the whole day disappear, and if you're not in the position of power,

it feels like captivity. It feels like assault it feels like your life is passing I've just fallen into so many depressions watching my bosses waste time so I like I'm on a pretty strict we're done by

six unless it's an emergency we take a lot of breaks and that's when you can fuck around. Right. It's like, don't, I try not to be the person leading any fucking around. No. I like kind of don't let myself do stuff because I've seen my bosses do stuff.

You kind of have to be sort of the cipher in the room in a way. You kind of just have to like be okay with anything happening organically in front of you. I don't know. I'm speaking from no experience. But from being in rooms, I'm just like, oh. It's a weirdly social job. It's so social. Well, it's entirely social.

Entirely social. You're making eye contact with 12 people at all times. Also, something I feel like people don't really realize is while there is a name on a script, everyone writes the script. Which is something I think when I wasn't actively writing television, I didn't really understand. I would always, whenever it was nominated for the comedy Emmys, I was always like, oh, well, Matt Hubbard must be the best writer on 30 Rock because his scripts are the best. It's not necessarily true because everyone's jokes are on every episode. Everyone's jokes are in there. And he might be the one who fucking emails the Emmys.

You know what I mean? Everyone would be like, hey, for your consideration, I'm Melissa Leo-ing myself. Exactly, yeah. But yeah, that's something I didn't realize. And so it is so important to have a good atmosphere in any working environment,

but especially in a creative, collaborative environment, that chemistry is important. Yeah, in a comedy, everyone needs to be proud of the whole season because they did all the work. Everyone did all the work. Yes. Top to bottom, too. It's like from the person who comes early to make sure there's bananas in the bowl.

Right. They also need to be like, this show fucking rules. Yeah. 100%. So it's just that's the culture of the workplace. That's the culture of the workplace. Yeah. And I have been the boss

I'm doing air quotes for those of you I've been the boss before but this is the first show that I created so it was like sort of like

I have shepherded other people's things but this is a different vibe where I do feel like I really need to set the tone at all times that's a lot though

it is it's a lot it's a lot of work but I will say he does it with so much like grace and leadership I thought you were going to say with I will say he does it with so much like grace and leadership I thought you were gonna say with so much

marijuana he does it with so much marijuana which is sometimes it's a issue to grace and leadership yeah it's a job

working as a writer in TV means picking up on a million different nonverbal cues that's all I mean that's not all it is

but it's just like that's such a part of it. And like, I don't know, it's great because I'm picking up on very good vibes from Matt. It sounds like the funnest, funnest room in the world. And what I told him was like, it must be fun to write animated and something queer because it's like, you can blue sky anything

or there's just like, there's no. We have insane stuff that's like supernatural happening. It's so queer. That is like the's like supernatural happening it's so queer that is like the most fun part where it's just like you can just be so queer in your story so queer in the dialogue

yeah they talk like maniac yeah our engineer Doug just wrote down on the paper what is the show oh and I was like

did we not say we said it we definitely said Doug we definitely said Doug. We definitely said. Gay James Bond. It's Gay James Bond, but that's not the title.

It's called Q-Force. Q-Force. And it's coming out in June 2021. On Netflix. On Netflix. On Netflix, baby. Baby. Starring Sean Hayes

and not saying who else is in the cast yet, but suffice it to say that if all things go according to plan the casting will be news yeah the casting is truly insane people are taking a bit to sign their deals but it's looking really insane it's looking cool i am incredulous at the casting yeah i truly i think it'll be news i think it'll be news anyway another reason why it's like such a gag to work with you and like why it's like and i we were even you and why it's like, you didn't make it because you had to work, but I was so excited you were even doing I Don't Think

So Honey when you did because that's just a throwback to our story that we were going to tell you. Oh my God. Okay, this is going to make me sweat more. No, no, no, no, no. It's pretty beautiful. It's very nice. So this was what?

When was this? This was 2013. The album came out in 2012? 2013 it would have come out. Yeah yeah recorded in 12 2014 2015 perhaps so we're doing a car trip with our sketch group pop roulette to toronto toronto was it jfl toronto was it just it was the toronto sketch festival okay i was a lot of fun we did we did it we were in and out and then we drive all the way back down from Toronto through upstate New York to

New York. Because you drive. We didn't really have the money at the time. We had no money. We were just kind of going in the... Also, weirdly, like a 15-hour drive. Very long. New York is such a weird shape. Very long. And so we're going in the red, always doing these sketch comedy festivals. You remember.

You're just doing it to do it. And like, hopefully someone sees that or it's like a cool festival. So we're coming back. It was a cool festival and we're in the rental car. It's me, you. And then was it three,

three other people from me, you, uh, Dave, Rachel Winitsky. Maybe that was it. Wow. Either Rachel or Amanda.

Amanda was not there because I remember if this happened to Amanda, it would have been a nightmare. Because love Amanda to death, but she would not have dealt with this situation. Sure, sure, sure. Which was. And she would admit to that. She would cop to that. But it was Rachel Winitsky, me, you, Doug Wydick, Dave Mazzone. Yeah, so we're all in the car and we are driving along in this rental car and the car just dies.

Just breaks down. In the middle of nowhere. No. Bumfuck upstate New York. So it breaks down, and we are like, okay, well, we'll call AAA or whatever. How long did it take? We were waiting in that car for about like- Almost four hours?

Oh, my God. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It was like five or six. It was a school day. Wow, wow, wow, wow. We're sitting in this car devastated. Like, literally, a virgin tears going crazy. There, no, no. It was like five or six. It was a school day. Wow, wow, wow, wow. We're sitting in this car devastated. Like literally a virgin tears going crazy. There's no one around.

We call three hours into waiting. Turns out AAA had not left. They forgot. No! They did not dispatch anybody. So they didn't dispatch anyone. We're in the middle of nowhere. We're thinking about going to this truly Texas Chainsaw Massacre looking house and being like,

can you feed us? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was so bad. Finally, eventually, like six hours into into this we all like packed into this little car the different car we were driving home and i think it was rachel who did you say rachel winoski introduced you to gabe well rachel winoski introduced me to gabe well first of all rachel was like rachel and i like way back in the day were like we should go to open mics together and and gabe liedman's album had just come out. Yes. Hi.

Um, and I was like, oh yeah, like he does that show with Jenny Slate and that, and that guy, Max Silvestri. Yeah. And then got me on the album.

I had the album on my. Yes. I remember. Music app. So we're devastated. We're fucking cold. We're crying. We're hungry.

We had like gone crazy and created this like a bit on Instagram, which was not funny, but like, but we were, we thought it was like, and we were going nuts. And so we put on your album and we laughed, laughed, laughed,

laughed. And then for like years afterwards, what quote it years after we were quoting it. And I was telling like other like gay standups that I saw, I was like, this, this, this was good.

This was like Gabe Liedman. Like I would see anyone that had like a good set. I was like, this is good. This is like, do you know Gabe Liedman? Oh my God. He's the best standup.

And I remember at the time, like I had not listened to a standup album with friends since I was like on the cross country bus in middle school listening to like Dane Cook. And I remember saying like, I'm so glad that kids nowadays have a gay Dane Cook. Oh my God. Gabe Liedman is a gay Dane Cook. And I remember saying like, I'm so glad that kids nowadays have a gay Dane Cook. Oh my God. Dave Lieben is a gay Dane Cook. This is so flattering. I love it.

I am, my arms are, I'm like in fetal position. He's clutching. There's a hoarders bit on the album, which we were quoting. We listened to it again today, a couple hours ago.

And we were quoting it. We were like, there's someone comes over, on the show, which we were quoting today. We listened to it again today a couple hours ago, and we were quoting it. We were like, someone comes over on the show Hoarders, you do it. So Gabe has this whole bit about Hoarders, and it starts off with him saying, I love Hoarders the show, but I hate Hoarders the people. Great intro bit. Perfect introductory sentence into the whole body paragraph. But then

he just talks about Hoarders, and he goes it's a crew of like 12 muscular men from the neighborhood and one like leader whatever this team comes over to their house and they'll be like hi can we

help clean up your insane mess and they go no no and we were crying laughing so anyway that It's like your whole band about to be so angry. So anyway, that's us putting your stand up back to you. Which is mortifying. No, I'm so flattered.

That's so nice. It's beautiful. It's a really good hour. Thank you. It's very good. I'm proud. Yes. My only album. It was so like you know, it was good. Yes. I felt good about it. And here's the thing. Here's the thing.'s the thing that we just have revealed that gabe was culture that influenced us and after this ad break i'm looking

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Remember, October 22nd, the veils are thin, the stories are spooky, and your favorite ghost host is back and badder than ever. Listen to Haunting starting on October 22nd on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we're back with Gabe Liedman. Okay, Gabe, we're going to ask you the question

that we ask all of our guests, which is, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? The culture that made me say culture is for me, the film The Craft. Oh my God. Has anyone else done that? No, I don't think they have. It really changed everything for me. Tell us about The Craft because I know vaguely about The Craft.

This is going to be a new culture for me. Have you not seen The Craft? I think you might be talking to two people who have not seen The Craft but who culturally know The Craft. Give us one. I understand the significance. First of all all that's absolutely fine I'm not one of those people see it in your own time but do see it

it's really good it's about four teenage witches in high school so it kind of starts there's like these three outcasts who are like you know kind of everyone's shitting on them in their grades.

It's three girls. It's a Catholic school. Then a new girl comes to school and she is like the fourth person you need to put together a coven. And they sort of need four. You need four for the cardinal direction. Of course, of course.

Wow. Yeah. And they know this because she can make a pencil stand on its tip during class. Witch behavior. Totally witchy. Yeah, yeah. And they're like, did you see that?

And then they kind of become friends with her and their powers grow, but it corrupts some of them. Wow. I would imagine it does. And it's just sort of like their rise in high school from being like the complete shit outcast to like scarily popular and magical. And then they kind of turn on each other and, you know, does evil prevail or does good? I guess I don't know. I guess he doesn't know.

Can you talk about the casting? Yeah, I was going to ask. So famously, Farooza Balk. Farooza. Farooza. We stan. We stan. She is the

face of the 90s for so many people also Neve Campbell I was gonna say no slouch yourself in terms of 90s star power I applaud Neve Campbell

absolutely then it's also then the third person is Robin Tunney who has gone on she acted on a big CBS drama

she's still working Miss Tunney she's famously now in the Alison Brie Netflix movie, Horse Girl. Yes. Playing like a cop on a procedural that she's watching, which is very funny. I love that show.

And the fourth person is Rachel True, who has become an author. She writes like witchy books. Right. And I heard that she reads tarot cards at this witch store in Silver Lake called the House of Intuition. I have not actually followed up on that, but I do follow her on all social media. Okay.

What's really a bummer is that they have left her name out of the credits on Netflix. And I follow her on social media and she does like everyone's, not everyone's while like quite often is like, hey, Netflix, can you please add my name to, this is crazy. Isn't that insane? So, she's one of the leads to the little,

like, little, like, brow text. Exactly. Exactly. So it'll say starring. Starring Neve Campbell,

Farooza Balk, maybe Robin Tunney as well. But no Rachel, Rachel True. No. And one of the, I think Skeet Ulrich is the boy. Oh my God. He's great. So Skeet was also think Skeet Ulrich is the boy. Oh my God.

So Skeet was also in Scream with his Nev. Yes. Okay. I think it's him. I'm going to get dragged. I also like watched it like a month ago. I still don't know if it's him. Is it one of those movies you frequently go back to?

I watch it a couple times a year. Yeah, sure. And it's like, it kind of defined like fashion for me. It's very grunge. It's very like kilts, eyeliner, which is nothing that I'm wearing right now, but it's like what I think is hot. It's very grunge. It's very like kilts, eyeliner, which is nothing that I'm wearing right now,

but it's like what I think is hot. Right, right, right. That's the source. You know who I think loves this movie? Pat. Pat loves The Craft. Oh, I think Pat

is into The Craft. I can actually feel that from across the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he actually loves The Craft and I also think he follows Neve Campbell and would follow her

for the rest of her life. Oh, she's the best. She's literally such a good actress. The latest Scream is amazing. Really good. Scream 4, you seen it? I haven't seen any Scream movie. What? Okay.

I gotta watch the first one. I gotta watch all of them. Watch them for Courtney Cox. For Courtney. Courtney's actually incredible and also, not for nothing, but one of the best intro scenes to any movie. Oh, the Drew. With Drew. That's when they could pull off and also not for nothing but one of the best intro scenes to any movie oh the Drew with Drew yeah because that

they also that's when they could pull off that thing of like you see Drew Barrymore on the poster and assume she's gonna be the star

because she's one of the most famous people and then gets killed five minutes in and you're like what anything can happen yeah which you couldn't do now

right well you could they've done that recently Mamma Mia 2 did that with Meryl you put Meryl. You put Meryl on the damn poster and she's not in the trucking movie. That was just you that didn't know.

We literally went to go see Mamma Mia 2. I'm not the only one. No, we got really, really high and went to go see Mamma Mia 2. And then the movie opens and it's like Meryl, she's pictured on the wall and it's like very clear

she's dead seconds in. And Bowen turns to me and goes, is Meryl Streep not in this movie and I said she's not in it not until the end I don't think and I was like

then why the fuck are we here and I was like because Cher's gonna come on in 90 minutes yes and she's gonna sing a song while walking down the stairs

for no the best wild icon so that's like a reverse because Meryl shows up at the end but that's a reverse

scream situation I'm telling you like I think that script should be nominated for an Oscar. The Scream script? Scream 1? Yes. Because I think it's like one of those things where it's like, genre-wise, you don't take it seriously. It's like Clueless. Yeah.

It's like Mean Girls. It's one of the best scripts of all time. It's like Mean Girls, too. Like Mean Girls. Like Mean Girls. Like Clueless. Like Clueless. Clueless.

Yeah. I mean, absolutely. I mean, these are scripts that are packed with jokes and define their genre. And I think because you don't know a genre is being defined while it's happening. Yeah. But you might find yourself quoting it 20 years later. Literally.

I mean, and Clueless is one that I watch several times a year. But Scream, that first scene, like from a scripting perspective, from a directorial perspective, from an acting perspective, she's so good. She's so good. She's one of the best. She's one of the best. She's one of the best.

We talked about Drew. We did. We did. She came up. Yeah. Yeah. Are you a Drew fan? I love Drew.

She has her own style. Yes. Very few actors do. Yeah. Drew Barrymore is the only celebrity with a houseware line that could make me buy from Walmart. Truly. Yeah.

I need to check that out. She's got some cute stuff. Yeah. Does she really? She's got cute lamps cute little framed you know drawings of palm trees really cute

I believe really cute here's what I'd say we often play on this podcast star actress I'm gonna say both both absolutely

I'm gonna say both definitely because she often elevates material and this is the thing this is like the J-Lo of it all it's like you can't

you can't be mad at J-Lo because some of the shit she's been in like Drew Barrymore has been in some garbage but she always elevates it by giving you movie star performance yeah totally absolutely and sometimes she produces it as well sometimes she produces Charlie Zandor films flower films

Donnie Darko Donnie Darko you forget she played the teacher famously now okay let's do this with the rest let's do this with the rest of, let's do this with the cast of The Craft. Okay. Nev is what? I would say Nev is, this is an interesting one.

If she had her druthers, she would be both. I think she's actress. If she had her druthers, she'd be both. I think that she is, wow, it's so crazy. Undeniably an actress. I guess I'm going to say actress,

but I do think she has stardom to her and and we should say that stardom is not purely defined by level of fame right right

okay got it she just or I said right like I no no no for me stardom is hard actress

yeah hard actress ability to act high level but for me stardom is like you see them on screen and you're like I mean yeah and you do do that with her.

With Nev. But sometimes she also has the acting. Great. Very good on House of Cards and Mad Men. So she doesn't- Yes! Yes and yes. She doesn't coexist.

She doesn't hold both at the same time that much. But she can flip between the two. Okay, Farooza. Farooza, I'm gonna go ahead and say star. Pure star. Pure stardom. And it's shocking that she's not more of a thing. Yeah. right um okay for rusa for rusa i'm gonna go ahead and say star pure star pure star yeah and it's shocking that she's not more of a thing yeah i mean and because she's such a thing you could just stick her yeah anywhere yeah she just would make a part her own yeah sure but also you know

she's okay i i don't know that she's okay yeah shit where's she at honestly she's like from the britney murphy school sure yeah that kind of edgy girl in the 90s who would have did i was i talking to you about this i think i brought it up maybe even to the room you were saying britney would have won an oscar by now no i don't think she would have won an oscar i think britney murphy would have popped off in the age of prestige television oh yes yes yes you did say that and you're right i think that she is the kind of actress who yeah you can see britney think that she is the kind of actress who you can see

Brittany Murphy on like The Handmaid's Tale. You can see Brittany Murphy in like any of these like cable dramas. You can see her on like, you know, doing that Rose Byrne role

on Damages. She's my Maisel. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Hashtag my Maisel. Yeah, my Maisel. We love Rachel.

We love Rachel. Is Brittany, was Brittany Jewish? She's New York-y. I don't know. Okay. Neither isel. Yeah, my Maisel. We love Rachel. We love Rachel. Was Brittany Jewish? She's New York-y. I don't know. Neither is Rachel. Yeah. There you go.

Not Jewish. Okay, and then Robin and Rachel, do we say? I gotta say, I'd have to be able to know what your face looks like when someone says your name for you to be a star. Yeah, these are actresses. And now an author. And authors. And tarot readers. And you know what? It's better to be an author than. And now an author. And authors. And tarot readers. And you know what?

It's better to be an author than a star or an actress. And that's a rule of culture. 100% of the time, it's better to be an author than a star or an actress. And which rule of culture is that again? Which rule of culture? Rule of culture. Yeah, which rule of culture is that? Rule of culture sounds a lot like roller coaster.

It does, actually. And that's a rule of culture. So rule of culture number 72 is rule of culture sounds a lot like roller coaster. It does actually. And that's a rule of culture. So rule of culture number 72 is rule of culture sounds a lot like roller coaster. And rule of culture number 95 is 100% of the time it's better to be an author than a star or an actress.

Okay. And we have to thank, even though neither of us have seen The Craft, we have to thank The Craft and cite our sources. Yeah. The phenomenal music video too,

the Little Mix song, Black Magic. Black Magic. Purely inspired by The Craft. Do you know Little Mix song Black Magic. Black Magic. Purely inspired by the craft. No. This is going to be good. We'll show you the video afterwards. Afterwards, we're going to show you the culture

and that's actually, readers, that's actually homework for you guys to please, please guys do your homework and watch the Little Mix music video for Black Magic. It's phenomenal.

Okay, speaking of the supernatural and tarot, Matt wants to bring this up and I'm so curious as well. So you actually, and this is something I liked about you even more as I got to know you, is you are a little kooky like me and you like to do tarot readings.

And so, oh my god, my ex-boyfriend Henry would roll over. I almost said in his grave. He's alive and well. Let's get him a grave though. Let's get him a grave. Just to roll around in. I should do at least that. I put him through so much. I should said in his grave. He's alive and well. Let's get him a grave though. Just to roll around him. I should do at least that. I put him through so much. I should pay for his grave. But he knew that I was into tarot. So we did

a little tarot reading in the room. And then I was like, I wonder how far this goes. And then you said something which really set me on a path to try to do this with my boyfriend, which you do with your husband, which is you hired a dog psychic this with my boyfriend, which you do with your husband. Yes. Which is,

you hired a dog psychic. Yes. Well, I did this despite my husband. Okay. Okay. He really, I mean, look, it's like,

he can't like physically stop me, but he was not like, he was not like, you gotta do this, babe. He was like, this is so dumb. Yeah, he didn't. Make sure it's not that expensive. And then when I told him all the information, he was like, yeah.

Okay, sure. He was not impressed. I mean, some of the things were impressive, I would say. Tell us why you wanted the psychic, what your questions were, and what the answers were, if you don't mind. Just tell us the whole thing. He was telling me about the process about how you don't need to be in the room. It's insane. Okay, tell us. Okay, so I found this dog psychic through a co-worker's mom who talks to her, I think, extremely regularly.

I consider this probably a one-time deal. Maybe we'll follow up in a couple years if something insane happens. But it was more of a curiosity. So I have a puppy. She's one. Had her since she was eight weeks or whenever you get a puppy. She's a rescue he put his hands up

like we're at gunpoint don't shoot she's a rescue Lydia is the dog's name Lydia she's stunning she's all like Instagram one of the most beautiful

women in the world absolutely straight up hot I'll say it about my own dog she's hot and so like she puppies go through phases like they have

personalities and she was like very like open to everything as a young puppy everything pleased her she was jumping at her super super happy and then as she grew up a little bit she started to like not like when we had guests oh and you know how every dog will kind of like bark at you for like a couple minutes when you walk in the house and then they chill. Like she did not get to that next place where she chilled. It was like a constant emergency for like two hours during dinner. And it's like embarrassing. And it's like annoying. And we got a trainer. But honestly, training a dog takes a lot of practice and like I'm like pretty inconsistent about shit and I was like maybe the psychic can just like crack her head open and tell her to chill

she kind of did but okay so the process is you send a photo you send a photo Bowen Yang I'm in California. This woman is in Massachusetts. Yeah.

My dog is in another part. Like I'm in my office. My dog is at home. We're not anywhere near each other. The woman, the psychic is even further away. She's thousands of miles away. She just wants to know your dog's name

and to see a picture or two. So I did that that and that's all it takes to commune to commune yeah and then you get on the phone with her yep you call her landline that's also she doesn't like email like to schedule with her you also have to call her landline which so you know what we're getting into okay yes yes yes so um call my landline she so i was like lydia just doesn't chill out around guests. Can you like tell her that like if a guest is in our house for more than like two minutes and we're not scared, she needs to calm down. And she was like, okay, I'm getting in touch with Lydia.

And okay. Oh, wow. She's really funny. And I was like, really? And she goes. She's really funny. And I was like, really? And she goes, she's your daughter. Yeah. She's my daughter. She was like, it's so funny.

She just said, well, can you tell him? It's just like, isn't it so much better when it's just the three of us? Whoa. And I was like, I mean, she's kind of right. But she's also like, it's not up to her. Like, I don't want that. She's trying to kick. And I had not mentioned that I was married or anything.

Wow. I mean, look, she knew my first and last name. Maybe she Instagram me. I don't think so. I had to fucking schedule with her. Yeah. As a landline. Yeah.

So that was pretty crazy. What was the one thing that pushed it over the edge where I was? Because I'm trying to get Jared to do this. Yes. Okay. And what was the real? What was the thing that she was like? Honestly edge where I was, where, cause I'm trying to get Jared to do this. Yes. Okay. And what was the real, what was the thing that she was like, honestly,

she never could have done this. Oh, this is insane. Okay. So she also like doesn't love being in the car. It's like, she doesn't get like, she doesn't throw up,

but she just never chills. She like stands on the back seat and just kind of like walks back and forth and like falls cause the car's moving. Um, so, um, I was like, she suddenly like hates the car. Yeah. And,. So I was like, she suddenly hates the car and

she was like, huh, let me ask her about that. Okay, this is interesting. Did you ever have to take her to the vet for an allergic reaction? And I was like, actually yeah, I did. We were playing in the backyard and then I looked

down and her face had just blown up and it was like her eyes were swollen shut her mouth was like crazy and huge and she just like looked crazy so I like scooped her up and drove her to the vet and was really upset and she Lydia told her that when

I took her to the vet for her allergic reaction she Lydia could tell I was thinking she was going to die. Because I totally was. Yeah. By the way, the whole time I was like, fuck, I can't believe this is how she dies. She's so young. Daniel was out of town.

And I was just like, this is the most freak thing ever. Is it different when she's in the car with Daniel? Sorry, it doesn't matter. Oh, I don't know. Well, Daniel, we share a car and I always drive. Daniel doesn't like driving in LA. Got it. He drives in other cities.

That was just curious. But yeah, no, it's just like she just all of a sudden doesn't like the car. Yeah. And she was like, she could just tell that you were thinking she's going to die right now. And then now she's scared of the vet and she's a little scared of the car. So you can tell her, we're going to the park. We're not going to the vet.

Don't worry. And she might like calm down. That didn't exactly work, but she also gave me some herbs to feed her, which I didn't buy. Okay. Yeah. At that point you trace it back and all of a sudden her landline is an herb

shop. Yes. And you realize the sick operation that this woman is running. Wait, is that really what happened? She's her, she's a very, the craft.

No, she's a witch. No, but she was like, you could give her these herbs, it might calm her down. I was like, when she's old enough, I'll give her weed. I don't know. Yeah, right.

So I'm going to get on the phone with this woman because- I was convinced. And Jared, when you were saying it- I got to say I'm a little convinced. About the picture. Yeah, this was very weird. What is that?

Yeah. So she was looking at the picture and she was like, Lydia's saying something to me, that makes no sense right now. So she was looking at the picture and she was like, Lydia's saying something to me. That makes no sense right now. But she was telling me. But she thinks she looks fat in the picture. Yeah, bad picture.

No, she was saying Lydia was telling her, I'm a boxer. Can you tell him I'm a boxer? Wait, what breed is she? Well, okay. So you don't know. She's a beagle. No, I do know because all I do is spend money. And so I have

done two DNA tests on her because I was like I'll always doubt the first one. So I need to buy two different companies that cost thousands, not thousands, hundreds. One was like 40 bucks and the other one was like 200 bucks. But I needed them to compare. And they both had the same

exact results. And she is a beagle, a pit bull, a lab, and fourthly, a boxer. And so whenever I, but she doesn't look anything like a boxer. She looks like a lab. Everyone's like, she's a chocolate lab. But then I'm like, she's actually a beagle and pit bull is what I always say. Because that's what she looks like to me. And then she was like, I'm a boxer. I me and then she was like i'm a boxer yeah i want

can you tell him i'm a boxer and she was like she was like this makes no sense to me because i'm looking at the picture she doesn't she's not a boxer right and i was like she's like one eighth boxer well she feels and she feels like a boxer and she this woman the psychic was like dog some dogs have a relationship to breed that you would equate to like nationality or religion yeah I was gonna say so she identifies as a boxer so she was like I don't know if it would help her

relax if when people ask what breed you throw a boxer in there or maybe you can look online some you know different breeds like different activities do boxer stuff with her and like pet identity yeah it's so fascinating to me and i'm i'm begging jared to have this oh he's like i don't know he was like babe he's like the dog is all over gabe's instagram i was like yeah but you know what

though it's not like that no she she was able and he was talking he was talking down to me i felt yeah i broke up with him and we haven't spoken you haven't spoken okay this is the final wait what even was oh okay she was like lydia's telling me that she saw you and daniel the day before you adopted her which is true because we went to the rescue place because you have to like interview for dogs. We went there to get approved for other puppies who were still too young. We saw them on like the rescue places Instagram. We were like, Ooh, let's go like get it on the list for these puppies.

Sure. Went and got interviewed and then we're like leaving because those puppies were still too young to take home and we were on leaving and we were approved to get a dog and lydia was like the puppy in the window and we were driving home and we're like that puppy in the window was so cute should we just go back tomorrow and get her so we did and lydia told the psychic that that, but also said she thinks that it was, she feels that it was great timing that we got her when we did. Because specifically, I, according to Lydia, was coming out of a tailspin. Is this true?

So true. Oh my God. Unless this woman is like the empath of all Massachusetts empath landline owners. I was coming out of a tailspin. That's when you get a fucking dog. Right. Of course. It's probably true of most people.

Honestly, that could be a thing she picked up on, but like that is crazy to me. And also it is, I can't describe how funny I think it is where she's like, Lydia feels that. Yeah. Lydia says, oh, she's funny. Oh my God. She's actually hilarious. Yep.

That is so good. Okay, well, I started off as a skeptic, and I gotta say, I'm fully convinced now. Yeah, you gotta do it. You gotta do it. Okay, well, when we come back, Matt, I want to hear more about Jane, Jared's dog. And then, yeah, and I'll convince my boyfriend,

new fan of the podcast, by the way. Never listened to it until now. Until now, until he went away. Now he's in Atlanta, and he of the podcast, by the way. Never listened to it until now. Until now. Until he went away. Now he's in Atlanta and he's like, I love the podcast. It's the best podcast of all time.

I was like, well, it's good that you think that. A hyperbolic boy. He's a hyperbolic queen. Hyperbolic queen. After the ad break, I'll tell you all about

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Let's just say things get a bit extra. We're talking spirits, demons and the kind of supernatural chaos that'll make your Halloween season complete. You know how much I love this time of year. It's the one time I'm actually on trend. So grab your pumpkin spice, We'll be right back. And your favorite ghost host is back and badder than ever. Listen to Haunting starting on October 22nd on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, it's Matt Rogers.

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Giving Kitchen. We help food service workers. And we're back. So the dog's name is Jane, and she's special needs, I feel, we feel. She's crazy, she's kooky, I want to know what's up with her. She sometimes just won't listen. She

is one and a half. And that could be it. I think this could be what it is. And I think there's suckers like us. Dogs are so stupid. They're so dumb. Yeah. And training them is so much work.

Like I just watch him with the dog and like, like sometimes he'll have to take the dog and like sit it down and be like, stop, bad girl. And I hear it and I'm like, you can't talk to her like that and he's like this is parenting no exactly exactly daniel's so good about that shit and i'm so inconsistent yeah and all the trainers are always yelling at me the whole time like they're like your dog is not fucked up you are fucked up oh my god where it's like this is like not why that you guys stepped into this no yeah it's just like when you're yelling at them, you're not allowed. I feel so bad, so I pet her

and they're like, you're undoing everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She doesn't understand you now. Yeah, okay. That's what it is. It's like when you yell at the dog

and then you, a second later, laugh at something it's doing. Yes, exactly. Jared gets mad at me when I laugh at the dog when he's like, stop!

Because they unlearn it. The dogs are so dumb. Yeah. I mean is i've only met jane once she was she was very groggy she'd just come out of a druggy nap well that's when that's am i allowed to say this no yeah well that i mean yeah like sometimes you gotta you gotta make the dogs go on drugs. Yeah. To sit the fuck down. Oh, absolutely. We were having people over. Is this, like, what, wait, what is that?

A Benadryl? It was like, it was like a gnat. I don't, I don't think it was weed. Although, like, there's so much weed

in our apartment. Like, we don't live together, but when we are together, there is so much weed filling the air at all times. Right, no,

there's like dog weed. Yeah, right. But this dog, I think, would get secondhand high probably every single day of its life. But it's not like it calms down. The dog is jumping all over the place.

You've got to drug your dog sometimes. The dog has the energy of Ashton Kutcher, young. That's the energy. The butterfly effect. The butterfly effect energy. And the butterfly effect is actually what we remember Ashton Kutcher for. And it's actually real culture number four.

The butterfly effect is actually what we remember Ashton Kutcher for. And that's his most iconic contribution to film and television. Dog, where's my car? Dog, where's my car? Dog, where's my weed? You know what I always remember, which is so iconic to me, is that the movie No Strings Att yes was ashton kutcher and then the it was natalie portman and natalie portman's three best friends were played by mindy

what uh greta gerwig what and guy bradham what yeah who's in the room for q force clearly have not seen the movie yes the fuck can you believe literally Ashton Kutcher is getting paid the most I'm sure yeah he's in the room with four

truly brilliant multi-hyphenate people yes Guy Bradham iconic Mindy legend yes

Greta the Gerwig wow and Miss Natalie I'm gonna wear an embroidered coat with the name of every female director on it. Yes. Portman.

Love it. If anyone was interested. I got to say, that movie is, people have not talked about that movie in that way because it truly is. That's insane. Yeah.

It's insane. It's crazy enough for it to just be Mindy. Yeah. Right. Just Mindy in it. Well, I think the craziest thing is to remind yourself that Greta Gerwig acts. Yes. They're also, I mean, wildly different ages.

Yes. What a friend group. It's like, how did you all meet? Greta Gerwig is like about to turn 26, basically. Is she so young? I don't know. I thought she was. She's in her 30s.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were all playing surgeons or something right they were all like yeah worked at the same hospital oh my god that's so fun wow wow wow wow very very fun

that intelligence read what they were all intelligent I believe that yes absolutely meanwhile half these motherfuckers on Grey's Anatomy

I'm like you can't no you couldn't you can't say that word you couldn't oh of course I love Guy Guy Branum is actually number one

he is so great I've lucked out. And when I heard, because I was excited to hear if I was going to get the job on Q-Force, and I also heard that he was maybe going to get a job there, and I was like praying. Because we worked the other two together,

and I enjoyed working with him so much. He's my work wife. Yes. Your work wife. He has talked me off so many ledges, just mentally. He's checked in with me so often Lately he's very good at that and he

Has said the exact right Thing at the exact right time every time What a beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful In Bo Nyang's Wikipedia it says He is mentored by Guy Branagh Really personal life used to be Yang is gay He lives in Brooklyn he's mentored

By Guy Branum did Guy write that? no I think I think I mentioned him in some like article where they interviewed me like who are your mentors I was like oh Guy Branum

well Guy Branum was always when we were when we were really starting out I remember well he did your show at Ethnic Hit

in the pit basement I'm in the basement me and Joel hosting it and I did a little, I used to do a little character bit on it. Wait, which Pit had the Basement? It was the Pit. The new Pit on 24th.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 24th and Lex. Yeah. Not the one. No, that was the other Pit. Other Pit. I did shows at that Pit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all did. We all were kicking around the many different Pits. Yeah. Okay, and then the new Pit. In proper name and otherwise. Yeah.

Yes. But he came to like he did bowen show i think you hosted it with joel camboosa that was at the time that was with joel so this was like what six seven years ago a while ago and he i did like a little character bit on it and i remember like we were so excited he was there because we had known him from jesse kendler and i'd known him from totally biased and stuff and he was so nice to us yeah he he has never needed to be no because i always looked up to him so anyway guy branham is in the room and also i should shout out who else is in the room which is ira madison the third yes who i loved ira beforehand just from like being friends

it's a different ira so funny it's a different ira and the thing is like i his energy i love i love sharing an office with him and And I was telling Bowen before, you think you see a meme on the internet and it's funny, and then Ira gets a hold of it, and it's like the Knives Out thing, every time he does it, it's still funny. It's so funny every time. And honestly, I'm waiting to be annoyed by her knives are out.

But I'm not sick of it. It's not annoying. No. It's crazy. Oh, honey, her gems, they're cut. I'm just like, this is the stupidest shit I've ever. Also, talk about like expert employment of me. Oh, knows exactly what to brandish up.

He does what the other girls can't. Should have did. Yeah. Wait, I'm actually going to play one. I'm like, what would Ira say right now? I'm going to play one because this was one he found the other day. And this to me is iconic. Oh, I know what you're about to pull up.

He'll somehow just like find these Whitney Houston interviews. Yeah. And I remember he posted, he's like, Billie Eilish, new Bond theme, a song. And then he said this, my reaction to the Billie Eilish song. And he said this. You know, songs like that, they are stories that people can identify with. You know what I mean? Anybody.

Children were singing this song at graduations, at weddings, at funerals. Children were singing this. Children were singing the song at graduations, at weddings, at funerals. To think about this as the Billie Eilish song, I'm like, this is so dumb. I mean, should we credit him for a moment most pleasing to me in my career? I mean, I think so. I feel like he can be sourced back. Do you know how to make memes? No.

Literally not. I have no idea. And there's been one for years that I've always wanted to use, which is from Jennifer Hudson's American Idol audition. And it's literally just this. Whenever anyone says something that's true, I post this. Yeah, definitely that. Yeah, definitely that. Like, the words

definitely that. Like, I am saying that what you're saying is true. Yeah, definitely that. And I've wanted it for so long and he blessed me. How much more work needs to be done other than that clip that you have? I mean, now I have it. Now you have it.

So you'll see me be posting Jennifer Hudson saying definitely that. And here's what you do. You post the full video enough times to like an accompanying tweet or something. And then at a certain point, you just post a screen grab of that. And then people can hear it. And literally now it's just Jennifer Hudson standing there in front of the American Idol logo. And everyone knows what I'm saying. Definitely that. Yeah. Front runner for knows what I'm saying. Definitely that.

Yeah. Front runner for title event. Definitely that. Definitely that. Wait. And also in the room is Megan Amram. Oh my God. Yeah.

A God. A goddess. And also we truly came here and did one of our favorite episodes of Lost Gulch. One of the best I Don't Think So Honeys in my book. I Don't Think So Honey, Hell Kitty, You White Bitch. Yeah. Just what a masterful, masterful. And a bigger Disney gay than me.

That's so funny. Oh, I mean. Fascinating. Yeah. I mean, an everything gay. Yeah. Like she's a Broadway gay. Yeah.

She's a Disney gay. Yeah. She's a gay man. Yeah. She's like this neighborhood of Hollywood gay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She goes to this freaking mall with the Dave and Busters. Yeah.

To unwind. Yeah. I mean, she's the Dave and Busters to unwind. She's the gayest. I was, you know, when you sell a gay show, you're like, I'm going to have an all gay writers' market. And then you get bumps along the way and you get suggestions from the network and the studio. And when Megan, you know, came across my way, we've been friends for a long time. I was like, I actually think that by most people's standards, she's gayer than I am. Yes. I would say she has like something like is going on with her that's gay energy and it seeps through.

Because I'll say her tweets are also queer. Yeah. And you have a queer Twitter too because it's bravely still the bit is sticking where you say all capitals send at the end of every tweet you do. Truly an iconic, iconic. I think it's been going for like 10 years or something. I deleted old tweets. Love it. I love it.

It should never change. It stands the test of time. It really does. Thank you. And that's the repetition that I'm saying. This is the chosen family of Queer Force. You do that. Ira does all his memes megan will post

every day today was the day donald trump finally became president i i give it a like every time i see every time it has 13 000 likes yeah she's followed by she's a million typing it every day it's different it's different and it comes out at weird times oh my god she's taking the time to type that sentence and hitting send so it it's them, Guy Branum, Max Silvestri, who we met on literally- I cannot believe he was your first guest. I love that. He was our first guest out of you guys.

Out of Big Trivia Club. He came in like, we probably had done like 70 episodes and it was fully a blind date. Because we didn't know him and he's friends with my manager, with our manager, Cara Maslin. Because Cara reps John Mulaney. And Max is from John Mulaney.

And so she was like, you would like to have Max on the podcast? And I was like, sure, let's go. And we hit it off. And it was truly beautiful. He's funny as hell. Smart motherfucker. He's an ally. He's an ally. Absolutely famously an ally. Famously an ally. I will do a plug right after this. And we're back. I will do a plug right after this.

And we're back. I will say that Max Silvestri is a contestant on my Quibi show, game show. Come on. Coming out on April 6th. And he is the first thing you see in our trailer. It's so funny. He is the first thing you see. Yeah, I saw the trailer. It's so good.

And it's going to be great. Him, Liza Dye. Liza. Who is an icon to me. She's a genius. Yeah, I actually fucking love her. And I had known her years ago. Did you know her in New York? I knew of

the incident that happened. Yeah, well she got hit by a damn train. Yeah, she got ran over by the fucking subway. Yes. And survived. And lived to tell the tale. What did they call it? What happened to her leg? De-gloved. De-gloved. Do you know what a de-gloving is? It's like the flesh comes off.

And the muscle. Yeah. Girl. She has her leg barely. You know what a degloving is? It's like the flesh comes off. And the muscle. Yeah. Girl. She has her leg barely. You know what I mean? Like, it's been a real process. She's been recovering for, I don't know, six years? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Reconstructed, wound care, pain management. God bless. And just, you know, fighting spirit. And here she is. I mean, she has an amazing job, and she's killing it. Yeah, she's fucking great. I love her. Chloe Keenan, wrote on Transparent.

Amazing. I love it. Yeah. And then we've got, who else is in there? Oh my God. And Miss Mike Liebenson. We stan. We stan Mike.

I love him. Yeah, he's the fucking great. He's great. The future. You know, he's like, I think I said to him i got him for secret santa this guy you guys mike liebenson look him up on instagram so funny and he's great and he's really good energy and it emanates from him yeah and i said the first time i saw him perform and he he i do musical comedy and he does too and i saw what he did and i i really like it clicked

with me i was like oh that's i feel like we speak the same language. And I said to him, when I got him for Secret Santa, I got him this like hideous bright shirt. And I said, you're a star and you need a hideous statement piece. So I got you one. I love that. Meanwhile, he's got like all the hideous statement pieces in the world and they're glamorous.

Yeah, and he looks great every day. It's always a look. Yeah, well, we do themes for- Yeah, we do themes. Okay, so we were kind of inspired by the Nora. It's great every day. It's always a look. Yeah. Well, we do themes for... Yeah, we do fashion trends. Okay, so we were kind of inspired by the Nora... Oh, yes. Yes.

And the looks you guys were turning out and posting. Sure, sure. And we thought, do we do a fashion Insta for Q-Force looks, which is just... We did a soft launch. There's not many picks up, but they're coming. Oh, my God. I have to follow it. But we...

You have to follow it. I have to follow it. But we do like an optional kind of fashion challenge every day today actually in matt's absence we didn't have a freaking challenge but i thought the theme was magic oh what did i miss the theme i think that maybe everyone was focused on work today and not the fashion challenge who dressed magic now I'm just like looking back. Did Mike look magical today? Mike always looks magical. He's always magical.

The day before that was country strong. Country strong. Oh my God. And like he looked amazing for that. He had like a cowboy shirt and everything. Yeah. And one of the execs from Netflix came over to him and was like, you would like this designer I know.

And was like, and like told him like the style of shirt that he was wearing. He like told him about like where that originated from. Like he was like knowledgeable about the origins of that kind of style. Mike was? No, this person, the Netflix exact. Oh my God.

But yeah. So we've had some fun challenges so far. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I've got a backlog of photos coming. I can't wait for the jump. But yeah, we're having a great time.

It sounds truly so joyful. I can't wait for the jump show. Zachary Stevens, writer's assistant. Oh, Zachary Stevens. Yes. Oh, the writer's assistant. That's a hard job. That's a hard job.

That is a hard job. And Tim Zintek, script coordinator. And of course, John Paul. Truly the hardest, hardest job of all. Script coordinator is hard. John Paul a hard job. And Tim Zintek, script coordinator, truly the hardest, hardest job of all. Script coordinator is hard. Jean-Paul working. Bergeron.

Bergeron. And I thought, was he related to Tom Bergeron? And no. No. He's an independent Bergeron. He's an independent Bergeron, which I actually,

I love for him. But yeah, anyway, couldn't be more excited about what it's going to be and what it's shaping up to become. And it's going to be part of the culture, which is the highest compliment anyone could give.

And, you know, I'm just knocking on every damn piece of wood for all these casting buttons to be sort of warmed up. Because I want to spoil it so bad, but I'm not going to. No, we can't. Because you know what? I already know the Instagram caption I'm going to use for the deadline. Don't you love that? Yeah. If we get it, who we think we're getting, and there's a deadline announcement, which there, I think, would be.

There's got to be. I mean, it'll be news. Anyway. The Instagram caption. Wow. I love it. So now, what would you say? It's probably time.

I think it's time. I think it might be time for I Don't Think So, Honey. Now, Matt, what's I Don't Think So, Honey? Tell everybody. Well, I'll tell you. I Don't Think So Honey is a segment that we do and have been doing. Yeah. Where we take one minute to rant against something in pop culture that we don't like.

We find a distaste for. We hate even. Yeah. Which is hard to say. But, you know, often true. Yes. So, Bowen, I do have a topic. I have one that might not be do have a topic. I have one

that might not be an actual thing, but I have one. Would you like me to go first? I can go first this time. We can finna mix it up. Huge. Alright. Okay. This is Bowen Yang's actual I don't think so honey. And the thing is his time starts now. I don't think so honey. Sticky menus at restaurants. Do you know what I'm talking about?

Girl, I'm aware. The sauce or the drink or the substance has stuck and added to the laminate of the menu, darling. You either make it fully, you wipe down the menus after each use or you make it a damn placemat and

that actually does not elevate the experience for some. I don't care if you're a damn Capitol Grill and you've got the menu on the placemats. I don't even know if they do that. But it takes me out when I can read the words on the thing that my plate is on.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. But sticky menus, let's go back to the culprit. Sticky menus. Focus 15. You are upsetting me from the jump

and I have to really, really crawl out of the hole that you've dug me into and sticky menus I think that automatically brings the health department grade down to a C and it only goes downhill from there if you bring me more sticky menus and that's actually one minute

and I can say as a server as a former server that it often is not on the list of back of house duties. Thank you. It gets skipped. And then these menus are disgusting. And you have these girls, you have these young girls marrying ketchups ad nauseum.

You have these young girls elbow deep in salad dressings marrying those. You have these young girls really greasing their elbows which is which is actually is a phrase rolling silverware yes i'm shaking my head and you are and and bowen is all of us right now shaking his head but what actually is all of us right now matt wants to revive the the very basic phrase that person is all of us right now this girl wearing this hat is all of us right now i like that that was hat is all of us right now. I like that. That was a phrase before? Oh my god, it's a thing. I would have thought you invented it.

No, I mean, I wish. I wish I could say I invented almost anything that I say. But it's not true. But yeah, it's like... So who's responsibility is that? Empty coffee is all of us right now. Because we all feel empty. Now, back of house duties, so it's the server's jobs.

Well, what happens is, so I say back of house duties but I really mean- I think it's the host's job, honestly. yes, but that often is the host's job.

Yes. But these things cross over, you know, just because, well, let me say this. But then you gotta give the host a rag?

I was gonna say, where's a rag? Yes. Girl, you know where it is. It's in the bin. It's gonna drip on the reservation book. Yeah. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. First of all, you know where it is. It's in the bin. It's going to drip on the reservation.

Yeah. Here's the thing. First of all, this is 2020. This is the year of our Lord. 2020, the reservations happen online. Thank you. Okay. True enough.

And that's just that. And I mean, I won't say anything else about it. I refuse. Over the phone reservations are all of us right now. You guys, they're all of us right now. Calling the restaurant is all of us. I mean, that's why they call it over the phone reservations. are all of us right now. They're all of us right now. Calling the restaurant is all of us. I mean, that's why they call it over the phone, reservations.

So another stupid bit that we started doing in front of my yard of probably where we were. This you did invent. Cross-eyed high. No, this Matt did invent and I am not able to get over it. The funniest thing in the world.

That trip looked fun. It was. It was fun. That was really fun. And then it got dark for me. Oh, okay. Because I looked around and I was like, oh, I look, I feel and look bad

around these circuit people. We can get into this. It's hard. Like, you know, like the, and like this sort of like, like that was coming to LA. It was like, oh my God, we could go on for probably an hour or more.

I don't think so. Is it? Okay, good. Well, then we won't touch on this. We'll save it for after. But what I was saying was Back of House Studios, it's really side work that I'm concerned with. I'm concerned that what we're doing

is we're busying the young girls who are keeping the restaurant industry up. Yes. And we applaud them for that. We're concerning them with all this side work because we're used to saying like, of course, side work, marry the ketchups. We're letting the sticky menus fall by the wayside,

and it's bringing down the restaurant industry. Absolutely. It is. Now, I do have to tell people what the bit was. Oh, yes, tell the people the bit. I don't know. Somehow, we had gotten to talk about Bon Jovi. Yeah.

Already laughing. Already laughing, and then- Topic of discussion at the Gay House. At the Gay House was Bon Jovi, and we're like, guys, Bon Jovi has the heads. And then Matt goes, well, yes, he breaks boundaries. That's actually why they call him Bon Jovi. That's why they call him Bon Jovi.

And so then it just became like, well, you know, that's why they call him Bowen. Yeah. It's like something that has nothing to do with the name. It's like, well, Bowen's a very good photographer. That's why they call him Bowen. Yeah. It's something that has nothing to do with the name. It's like, Bowen's a very good photographer. That's why they call him Bowen Yang. It's truly the stupidest thing. Try it at home. It's the dumbest thing in the

world. Very dumb. And it was something I made up, so I'm proud. I think you should be very proud in that. You can source back to Matt. You know, Bowen, I guess we might have to get a merch store. Oh my god, we might have to get a merch store. But how would we put that on merch? Anyway, a brainstorming session, not for the air. Not for the air.

Okay, now I think it's time for Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. I actually think it is. Okay, so I have you on my little timer on my phone and this is Matt Rogers. Wait, hold on. I'm looking at two and saying, ooh. Okay.

Okay, I know what I'm gonna do. Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey and his time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, you made a snap judgment on the morning show, honey. Girl! It actually gets good after the first few episodes. And Jennifer Aniston is turning in a performance.

And I Don't Think So Honey, you, and also I would include in the royal you, capital Y-O-U, me, for making a snap judgment on the morning show. Because even on this very podcast, I said L-O-L, the morning show, S-U-C you see a guy s and then i actually continued to watch it and guess what they figured it out i do think so honey the second back there are the back half of the season because let me tell you something miss gugu mbatha-ra giving you a performance miss gugu miss reese you know, she's giving it to you. But Jennifer is slaying. 15 seconds. And what's his name?

Billy Crudup? Yes. Always. I'm actually going to have to give it up for that weirdo. I do think someone, even if he's like a psycho in the show, his performance is weird, very idiosyncratic. I think it actually made a comment on Me Too better than a lot of these other girls.

And that's one minute. You're saying Billy Crudup made a better comment on Me Too better than a lot of these other girls. And that's one minute. You're saying Billy Crudup made a better comment on Me Too. No, no, no, no. I said The Morning Show made a better comment. What was the – Bomb Show. Bomb Show. Okay, so I think that The Morning Show is a smarter, better look at what – a better comment on Me Too in 2020 than Bomb Show was.

Interesting. I've only watched the first two episodes. Cause it sucks. Cause it sucks. Yeah. I was really like, I'm sure it's so accurate, but literally when she'd fucking drinks Red Bull to work out in the morning,

in the morning, I was like, I don't think I can watch this show. It gave me the weirdest feeling. It was like written by a computer that was told like, Hey, this, she has to, we have to get across that she needs her energy and it's very early. But now that I'm saying that, I'm like,

I don't know if they do, maybe. But no, I thought it was pretty bad, but I like to hear that it's good. I like both of those actresses. It's a good concept. I actually identify as Reese. Now, what about the episode? Is it the character or the actor? actually identify i identify as reese now what what about is the character no i identify as recent in my life like oftentimes like i'll just be walking around and

like you never you ever you ever like you ever like see a person in your head when you picture yourself yeah for me almost 98 of the time i see myself as reese like when i look in the mirror i see reese i don't know what that means for me, but like Reese, especially in Big Little Lies, I was like, I'm her. You are specifically Reese when she gets arrested. I'm specifically Reese. I saw that video for the first time two weeks ago. I made the room watch it.

It makes you like her more. Absolutely. It's so crazy. It's so long. It's endearing. Sir, I need to know what is going on. She keeps saying I'm American. I'm American. I'm American standing on American ground. And I have rights.

But her going on Good Morning America or Today Show the next day. Iconic. Iconic because she was like, I said I was pregnant. I wasn't. I'm not. She was just so down to earth about it. She was like, yeah, it's stupid. I got drunk. I'm not. She was just so down to earth about it. She was like, yeah, it's stupid. I got drunk.

Too much to drink. Yeah. And I acted crazy. It was truly iconic. Do you know who I am? Well, you're going to find out who I am. This is going to be national news. You're going to find out who I am.

It's truly a moment. It was so everything you don't say. It's everything that no one else can say. Yes. That's what bugged me about it. It's like anyone else says two of those words and gets clubbed over the head. Yeah.

Or put in jail for sure. Yeah. Which bothers me. She knows that. But at the, I think like, I think because it's Reese, that's why I didn't think

it's so funny, which is her privilege. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's privilege. That is what it is in a nutshell. And also, it's so funny because like,

she gets put away in the car because she's like, I need to know what's going on. He's like, ma'am, I need you to get in the car. And she is, and her boyfriend is like, an agent or something? it's so funny because like she gets put away in the car because she's like I need to know what's going on he's like ma'am I need you to get in the car and her boyfriend is like an agent or something yeah it's her husband and her husband is like says to the cop I'm sorry I don't I had nothing

to do with that he throws her under the bus yeah when she's in the cop car she is talking to herself arresting me really she's talking to herself arresting me I've done nothing was talking to herself. Arresting me. I've done nothing. And then she goes,

I'm obstructing his justice. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Now, what about the episodes made you want to keep watching if they were so bad in the beginning? Well, the thing is,

I think it's the morning show-ness of it all. And you love that one. And I love that shit. I was like, I'm interested in this and invested in it and i had had people that i trust tell me that it got better and i was like i'm honestly i'm ready for it to be good yeah i want it to be good there's honestly maybe it's the fact that you adjust to the heightened writing yeah or just like it evens out a little bit i can't really

decide whether it's i'm getting used to the fact that it's like and campy or if it actually got better I think it's probably an element of both but the last episode like did its thing and it got a little edgy for me like in terms of whether or not I was seeing was like appropriate or like responsible but I bought it

and that's all I'll say about it and I should know better like we're in the thick of writing the first couple of episodes of a show. It's hard. It's so hard. It's fucking impossible. It's hard. Episode two, forget it.

102? Forget it. Trash. Not trash, but it's so hard. It's so hard. Yeah. And then I watch other people's shows, and I'm like, oh, it's shit in 20 seconds. Yeah, exactly.

I turn it off, never give it a shot. It's like, no show's good until episode four written by Matt Rogers. Well, I'm on the fourth episode of our show and it's, I actually felt that we had the most difficult time

like breaking that one because that's when you really have to wrap up like what's essentially the first arc. You know what I mean? So there's a lot of things that need to happen.

It's not the pilot anymore. Right, right, right. You're not just like having fun setting things up. It's like things have to start coming together. Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's hard. And you gotta come up with new shit. Yes, you do. And yeah it's not you're not just like having fun setting things up it's like things have to start coming together yeah you know it's hard and you gotta get new shit yeah yes you do and so it's like honestly whenever i'm critical of a show now it's like we were just saying it's like well you know what it's like like to be in there and it's like sometimes it's like

it's like it's like sitting in front of a math problem it's like yeah it gets so crazy british bake off when they're like you've overworked the dough. That's every fucking pilot in the world. It's just being pulled and reshaped for years sometimes. And then it sucks. Always. It always sucks. There's always, always that feeling in SNL where it's like, you've like, it worked

in the beginning. It played at table. It was great. And then you do a rewrite on it. You do more rewrites. And then producers give you notes because they mean well. And then by the end, you're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah.

It's like, it has like a vestigial tail. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now that, you know, it's like,

it's like, it made sense at some point. Right. And then it's gone through 10 versions. Then you're back to basically the second version. Yeah. But it has like a wing

coming off its body. And then it's so funny because it's like, you were just saying, and we can relate it to this show because it's like, it's like ultimately wing coming off its body and then it's so funny because it's like you were just saying and we can relate it to this show because it's like it's like ultimately at the end of the day it goes up in front of an audience and it plays or it doesn't like we'll do the table reads yeah like some of the jokes i felt like like that i knew were gonna kill i was just like huh really that one didn't work it's very that one did very humbling yeah yeah it's so interesting because Cause you know,

it's, it's gotta make people laugh at the end of the day. We got to start packing it with gays. Yeah. You got it. It's a little straight. I think that in our writer, in our table reads.

Oh yeah. I think we need some gays in the audience. Come on. Yeah. You know, there's a gay in every department here or there. Yeah. They should be jumping in the car.

And then there's, there's, there should be, well, we should bring all the goddamn assistants. Yeah. Because, you know, those are the gay boys. And they're going to run this town in a few years. Yes, honey. Just you wait.

I think it's time. I think it might be time for Gabe. Okay, it might not be a minute long. That's okay, right? It's okay. Well, we're just going to have to sit here and fucking stare at you and watch you drown for the time you don't film

just kidding it's I'm interested to see what will happen because I Gabe has the right mind for this kind of thing

yeah what did you say he's an I don't think so honey-er yeah absolutely I'm taking a sip take a sip okay do you want to time him or do you want me

I want you to do it okay okay so this is Gabe Liebens' I Don't Think So Honey And his time starts now I don't think so honey me working out anymore I'm just not going to do it anymore I look the same

I look the same Whether I work out Or I don't work out And I just don't think I have time for that anymore. From the second I was born to now where I am about to be 38, my body has always been a collection of circles. I'm the bunch of grapes from the Fruit of the Loom commercials. And it's fine. 30 seconds.

And, you know, there's just not enough time in the day if it's not going to fucking do anything for me anymore. I go to work. Yep. I smoke weed. I jerk off. Hello. And then it's tomorrow, babe. You wake up the day.

15 seconds. That's it. And I just don't think I want to put the time into that. And everyone has tips. You know what? You should be lifting. You should be doing more cardio. You should be doing hot yoga.

Hey, look, I did it all and I look the same. And that's one minute. Oh my God, that was perfect. Thank you. You know what's one that's killing me? Well, you know, abs are made in the kitchen. I'm like, girl. Heard it.

You know what? Abs are made on skinny people. And if you are fat and you work out,'s no point you look the same i will say like and also it's like you try to put yourself on like like jared and i are supposed to be quote unquote on a diet right now we have little rules no matter what the rules are you'll fixate on it on it and be miserable yeah and then also you'll you'll eventually break them and be hard on yourself and like i did whole. It was great. Yeah. It was fine.

And then it was over. And like, maybe it worked. And like, you know, working out is good for your mental health. Yeah. But it's like, I just like, I've been so mad at myself since the room has started. I've worked out twice. And it's been three months. And I'm just like beating myself up about it.

And now I'm just like, you know what? I'm busy. Yeah. I'll work out again. I'm seeing myself. I literally look exactly the same. You have no reason to feel guilty about not working out, though. Yeah.

Also, another thing is like, no one is looking at you as hard as you are. Yes, exactly. That's another thing. And it's like, I do think that I love living here now. I really love living here now. A lot. My life has gotten, I think, better. Yes.

But it is hard, the culture in LA. Yeah. It's hard at first because even if you objectively look fine, and everyone does, again, no one's thinking about you, you kill yourself as a gay man in this LA community. I think that people in New York are just as hot,

if not hotter. It's just they're more naked here. And they're more dressed down. Oh, you're in an amazing suit, so it's hard. Yeah, and they're dressed down like people here are in their PJs at restaurants. And in New York, it's like you have three layers to go to the bodega.

And so you look great. Always. Always. Because you can dress yourself to look good. Yeah. Sure. Here you look like an asshole all the time. Yeah.

Right. Right. Yeah. I'm posting stuff to the Finsta where I'm like going to dark places with all this like fucking self-image stuff. It is fucking hard. I mean, you're really out there too. Does that change things for you?

Yeah. Because I'm noticing myself being like, ooh, I look weird there. I don't look like myself and I don't feel like myself. It's like that's not the version of myself that I know to be, that I picture in my head, which is a crazy thing to match up against. When I see myself truly wearing a crazy costume, I'm like, well, I don't look normal. It's like, of course I don't look normal. I'm wearing a little show.

It's truly, it's like of course I don't look normal yeah it's weird do you feel that when they put you on the cast like something did change in you subconsciously or unconsciously where it was like it's truly a thing where like I did like because when Gabe and I met at Golden Globes that wasn't the first time maybe or was it the first time I was doing

Whole32 yes I remember that we had met Or was it the first time? I was doing Whole32. Yes, I remember that. Yeah, we had met in New York. We had met in New York. Yeah. Very briefly, but then that was like, we had talked and I was like, yeah, I'm doing Whole32. The showgasm of it all.

The showgasm of it all. The showgasm of it all. Yes, of course. That is where you get it. The Ars Nova of it all. The Ars Nova of it all. And then, but yes, okay, so. Yeah, and you were on Whole30

and you were doing good. I was doing okay. I fell off after like day 20 yeah I cheated and then but but but recently I'll like be eating a salad and then Sudi will be like oh he's on camera and I'm like oh wait

a minute that's like not a it's not it's it's not like a direct correlation to like this one thing but now it feels like it's reinforcing well suddenly you have a lot of eyes on you in this way that's so different but it's like me eating a salad is not because I'm on camera but like she's like reinforcing

the idea that I'm on camera so I should be watching what I eat we're gonna call her right now but it makes sense and so I'm just noticing that it's a thing that I am having a hard time talking about in therapy. Yeah, I would imagine.

Which never happens. I'm always like, yeah, let's talk about everything. And then this is a weird thing where I'm like, I have not thought about this enough. And that scares me. I feel like my thing is I'm trying to be on camera. I'm still auditioning every now and then. And it's like that I think is the thing where it's like

I wonder if I booked a show if i would feel like a little bit more relaxed about it or put more pressure on myself because i know like right now like attempting to be on camera and going in and auditioning and like wanting to look good for the cast and directors are wanting to look good on camera which is a whole fucking other thing like you could look in the mirror and think actually yeah and then you see yourself on camera and you're like oh my god that's bad and it's just like so miserable yeah and but like i think that right now because i'm like trying to be on camera desperately yeah i'm like looking in and right now my thing with myself is like i'm killing myself because like there's like little red spots around my eyes that didn't used to be there and no one no one sees it but me and it's crazy cuckoo loo yeah and it's just like but it's

that thing it's like when you're around the entertainment industry when you're around you know uh i think gay men who like make that a priority which is great if you do it's like hard it's like it's a lot to keep up with it it's top of mind constantly i think because of what you're saying specifically in this city because there's always the possibility of being like sons out guns out yeah and it's like yeah it makes you say grew it really does yeah to say grew this is not totally related but somewhat related have we talked about this instagram face article in the new yorker what that g l tolentino wrote it's about i looked for her book the other day in the store and they what that Gia Tolentino wrote it's about no I looked for her book

the other day in the store and they said they were all sold out you have to trick me or I'm gonna read it have you read it it's great no but I bought it

I'm one of those people it's very good yeah you have the book I have it and we love and there's a joke in Gabe's album he's like don't like books

don't like books oh yeah sister literally sister life literally sister life but this is um she wrote this article in new yorker about um the concept of instagram face which is like the kim kardashian like wide set eyes nose high cheekbones yeah everyone but like with facetune paired with

instagram it's like everyone's trying to basically like achieve that yeah but now but then it like kind of like expands out into like the sort of like cosmetics, cosmetic procedure world where it's people are getting fillers and it's, and then getting their whatever's like done. And it's, we're teetering on the edge of this thing now where it's like getting your jawline like sawed down is like the equivalent to like a spa day. It's like, it's self care. It's like, it's self-care now to get fillers.

Yeah. We're basically there. It's becoming, it's becoming a thing where it's like, that is like normalized. And again, do whatever you want if you want to do it. But it's like,

it's becoming normalized. Like, it's like, oh yeah, I went to the tanning booth. It's like, yes, that's what it is.

And the, like one of the last lines, uh, and the last paragraphs in this article is, um, she's talking to this doctor one of the surgeons or whatever and he

is making all these great points throughout the interview and then he just ends it with you know when you get like the perfect haircut and you look in the mirror and you go this is like the best version of myself that's what all these procedures are like times a thousand wow it's like you look at yourself and you're like this is what I these procedures are like times a thousand. Wow.

It's like you like look at yourself and you're like, this is who I, this is what I meant to look like. I don't even know what, I don't know what I'm supposed to look like. Yeah, me neither. I don't have that. You have Reese at least. Yeah.

I mean, I, and I do think I look like her. Yeah. I'm, I'm five, three, have gorgeous blonde hair that I never need to highlight.

We gotta get you an orange wig. Yeah. And a strong jaw. Yeah. Very strong jaw. Yeah. And a square face. And maybe an underbite, but it works on her.

But one of the most beautiful women in the world. One of the most beautiful. Oh, yeah. We saw a picture of Ariel from Little Mermaid before. And I was like, and Bowen goes. I was very stoned earlier this week. And we were like, Ariel had come up and then I was like, God, Ariel's so

beautiful. And I said, well, she's one of the most beautiful women in the world. The thing about Ariel is when you look at all the women in the world, she's one of the most gorgeous women. She's one of the most beautiful women in the world. She's up there with, you know, Christy Brinkley. It goes Christy Brinkley,

Ariel, Whitney Houston, you know, Christy Brinkley. Yes. It goes Christy Brinkley, Ariel. Whitney Houston. Whitney Houston. Fergie. Fergie. Tamar Braxton. Tamar Braxton. All Real Housewives.

And Gemma Chan. And Gemma Chan. You know, Gabe laughing is all of us right now. Yeah, him laughing is actually all of us right now. Try not him laughing is actually all of us right now.

Try not to blast it into the mic. No, blast. Go on, come on. Maybe the title of that is, oh my God, you're all of us right now. No. We have a lot of options. Invented by Matt.

Invented by Matt. Important to say. Important to say. I feel that one thing we forgot to mention is your podcast. Yes. It's called I'm Afraid That. Yes. On Lil Everywhere.

Yeah. With yourself and Daniel Zamparelli. Daniel Zamparelli, my husband. Who happens to be your betrothed. And Daniel mostly, I guest host with him, interviews people about their weirdest, most interesting fears. Okay. So good.

And so sometimes they're common ones like flying, but sometimes they're so bizarre and just specific. We had Megan Amram and she's afraid of like her own veins. Wow. Yes, yes, yes.

It's just like very interesting. Yeah, that's so fascinating. And we've had amazing guests if you want to like binge. We've had Jordan Peele, Jenny Slate. Oh, amazing.

Really great people. Eliza talks about her fucking leg, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, check it out. That might be one of my worst fears, is like getting pushed in front of a train. Yeah, I mean, she's afraid it's going to happen again

or just another trauma like that. Yeah. So it's really an interesting topic. Yes, it really is. So he talks to people and then he'll talk to like an expert also. So he's not a psychologist or anything. So it's just sort of to round it out. And it's, it's really interesting. You know, that sounds very, very cool.

And actually like, it's very interesting to find out how people can take steps to get over their fears. For example, did you know, maybe you do because this podcast is in your orbit, but people who are afraid of flying, one way to get over a fear of flying that works is to join a program where you book a flight every day oh my god and you get the notifications like you should be getting on the plane now and so you know this is when you'd get on the plane the plane is now the doors are closing you're in the air this is where you are now your plane landed so essentially like every single day you take a flight quote quote unquote, to show you that a plane is never going to crash.

So it's basically you experience the routine of actually like the duration of being on the plane without doing it. And that reinforces to you that it's like every plane lands, which is pretty cool. Yeah. My way of getting over. Yeah that makes total sense i'm like my way of getting over any like fear i have while i fly is like oh there's truly a billion planes in the sky every day but exactly somehow that freaks me out even more i'm like how do you not crash into another exactly yeah it's all just software it's crazy literally how does this not breaking bad? Yeah. Like, fully, fully, fully.

At the end of every conversation with myself where I'm like, there's billions of planes in the air. It's safer to be up here than it is even walking around on the air. I'm like, it's still a hunk of metal in the sky. Yes. We're not, we don't belong up here. We don't belong. We don't belong up here.

It's not magic. It's not. It's actually not the craft. These people aren't fucking geniuses either. Yeah, no. You know, it's like- They're actually just like you and I, flesh and blood. One of these planes just had a weird software that made it nosedive every once in a while.

You know, it's just like, that's what I mean by, I'm not saying that pilots and flight attendants aren't geniuses. It's technology. It's technology. Someone thought, you know, it's like it's code and it's people taking guesses. Yeah, hope no one's listening to this on a plane. Truly. Wow. Oh my God. Anyway, sorry, bitch. Sorry, guesses. Yeah, hope no one's listening to this on a plane. Truly, wow. Oh my God.

Anyway, sorry, bitch. Sorry, bitch. Sorry, bitch. Hang on to your damn seats. Hope you texted everyone you loved them. What an ep. What an ep. And you must come back when the show is coming out.

Yes, please have me. I love you guys. Oh my God, we love you and we've wanted to have you on. Have loved you. I'm so happy you're doing Oh my God. We love you. And we wanted to have you on. Have loved you. I'm so happy. You're doing shows in LA. Oh yeah.

Well, the thing is like, we was like when we found out we were going to be on different coasts, like we were like, we got to keep going. And honestly, I, I,

I'm mad at all the listeners that they thought we were going to cancel it because they didn't believe we would never. And it's actually meaningful when you'd make the decision to believe podcast hosts thank you I believe it was Constance Wu who said that believe podcast believe podcasters now we end every episode with a song wait but did we say everything

oh okay follow at Gabe Liedman follow at Gabe Liedman okay listen to I'm Afraid That yes watch every show every good show that's been talked about watch Pen15

and we didn't even talk about Pen15 that's a shame and there is a lot more Pen15 coming when is the second season we'll be back it's coming back okay so we're more than halfway done shooting it it's coming out in two bursts. Honestly, over the next year, there's like 15 episodes.

Oh, wow. It's going to come out in a burst of seven eps. And did you work on the second season? Yes, I did. I just was a writer in the room. They took over show running. Yes. And they got a new sort of like writing EP who has a lot of experience

and a couple of more writers. They basically got money to get a writer's room because it used to just be the three of them and me and this wonderful writer's assistant, Jessica Watson, who you know.

Oh, we love Jessica Watson. She's an absolute genius and has gone on to staff on such great shows herself. Yeah, she rocks. She's got good energy and has gone on to staff on such great shows herself yeah she rocks she's good again good energy and it matters

are you going are you on set for shooting now I mean I went and visited yes okay while they were shooting around the clock yeah

and we they shoot at a real school so sometimes they do weekend shoots so I went for a weekend shoot it was one of my episodes but they're continuing to shoot for several months now

but there are 14 normal episodes and like, I don't know if I should say this, but kind of like a special. I love this. And it's really good. Jarringly funny. Really good. Startling. Startlingly funny.

It strikes you like Anna and Maya and Sam are absolute geniuses. Yeah, you can tell. Yeah, you can tell. It's because it's so brand new. So brand new and real. Gabe, you're truly one of the hardest working people.

It's rocks. I know. And just rocks. I'm desperate for money. Give him more money, everyone. Give it to him. Give him all your money. My dog says I'm in a tailspin.

Yeah, honestly, like, please shut this dog up. But the dog has a lot of feelings and thoughts, actually. Gabe needs to perform at least two more DNA tests. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Before I believe she's a boxer. Right, exactly. And it's actually meaningful to make the choice to believe dogs when they say what they are.

As Constance Wu said that. And so speaking of... Constance. Constance Wu, which is a musical noise um we do end every episode with a song take it away bowen what song were we listening to earlier that way oh i i should have started no no you go you go well you remember this bop everyone i thought you were gonna do Russian roulette I don't know Russian roulette that well okay Doug we're gonna cut around this

no we're not everything stays in we're raw watch it all fall out watch it all fall out we don't know the words oh I don't see it's sons I don't see a sun. I don't see a sun.

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