Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Tertiary Markets" (w/ Katie Crutchfield)

Episode Date: May 11, 2022

In this post 300th episode, Matt and Bowen are joined by the one and only Katie Crutchfield, the singer AND songwriter of Waxahatchee! A literal joy! An episode that touches on many topics including a Bagel Boss reveal! Some Bell House love! Some Fiona Apple love! What do Katie and Dua Lipa have in common? Do Matt and Bowen really know the way to Margaritaville? Plus some love for country music storytellers like Trisha Yearwood and The Chicks. The guys are Waxahatchee lifers now, okay?! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las culturistas calling bo it's our 301st episode a new era can you believe i didn't think we would make it to five well mama as shania twain once said looks like we made it look how far we've become my baby shania of course top of

mind because of her sort of a musical dalliance i'll call it with harry styles as of late i i did not watch the footage oh i saw the moment was it fun the footage like it's like like it's a security camera i i we won't get into this shania is is much more complicated than people realize shania as a as a canadian kook is uh complicated via the american politics yes that is what you're getting that it's not even that it's just that like what an interesting career what and what an interesting and i love the way you point and bowen bowen said what an interesting career like let's sort of like get off my finger yeah but you extremely exquisite career i mean interesting to say the least i mean country pop straddling the line i mean between genres crossover success i mean losing her voice

because of a bad divorce regaining the voice yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then sort of, you know, using that voice to say that she'd rather vote for the one who was the straight shooter. We don't have to talk about this, but I have a question to ask you, which is, which is a better come on over, Shania or Christina?

God, this is like Sophie's choice. Okay, so here's what I'll say in order to sort of swerve the the topic i'm gonna say come on over as an album which really shania was come on over that's an incredible album and i'd be i'd be curious to know if our guests dabbled in that album because and and the face that she's making would suggest yes but come on over as a single christina of course our guest has one of the most expansive musical palettes I think in the world.

I don't doubt it. I don't, because you can hear it in the tunes. You can hear it in the tunes but also like, I think she just knows her stuff. You know when someone knows their stuff? Oh, honey. You can tell. Yeah. A student of the form becomes a master of the form.

Love to see it and the reason i the reason i throw that out there is because i know our guest is a birmingham native which we'll get into and that really means country music the house down which you can hear in the latest album but i i didn't know if that sort of crossed over into shania country which you know is a different kind of country it's more and less like you know sammy wynette take the take the country out of it because okay okay these these are these are some alabama legends our guest glimmer thomas yes and flow millie shit bitch you're actually exactly right so and this i i think this is like full milieu. I think our guest really...

I think she's everything everywhere all at once. One of the great things to be in. So topical of you. I'm sorry, not to invoke, but I'm just so excited to be here. I said to you, she came on the Zoom. Something electric passed through me. Yeah, I mean, you are a real fan from...

From Go. Really, the beginning. From Go. Yeah, I mean, you are a real fan from... From Go. Really, the beginning. From Go. Oh, yeah. And the thing, too, is, like, what a beautiful way to open up our next 300 episodes, Beau. Truly, we just came off 300 episodes. It was our great global songbook.

You've just heard the great global songbook, which we have yet to record at the time of this episode, but we just know it's going to be a treat for the ears. Trust and believe that our guest is on it multiple times. Anyway, we're so excited she's here. She is a wonderful musician, singer, songwriter,

P.S. Elliot, with her wonderful sister Allison. Oh my god, Allison. Allison is legend. Okay. Waxahachie. We're so thrilled she's here. And she's on tour now. She's on the St. Cloud tour. Yeah, I mean, she just,

she will have, by the time this episode is out, she'll have just performed at the Hollywood fucking Bowl with Haim. Come on. And that's unreal. And we're so excited she's here.

Finally getting to support the album St. Cloud, which is huge. Which is huge. So everyone, just please check her out if you haven't already, and welcome Katie Crutchfield!

Welcome in your glam. I am just in heaven, immediately. Immediately in heaven. Well, likewise. I was shocked to learn that you even listened to this drivel of... Stop!

That's really, like, surprising. kind of shaking me to my core. Oh, no, I am such a reader. You guys have no idea. I'm thrilled to be, I've been looking forward to this for so long. I'm so happy to be here. Oh my God. It's such a, it's such a, it's such a thrill to have you. And honestly, I, so I'm going to see you at the Hollywood Bowl.

And this has actually been my first time at the Bowl. Same. Wait. For you too, right? Never been. Yeah. Never been. And there you are taking the damn stage.

Yeah. Here we go. It's going to be great. I mean, it's a first for everyone. It's going to be great. How do we both feel? Do we have any sort of hopes dreams for what the night will bring what kind of sky there will be oh you know it's i think it's gonna

be just like easy across the board i don't know if either of you have ever seen heim but like they put on i think heim is the best band they're so incredible and you know we actually good we did see heim bowen and i did see heim when they opened for taylor swift herself but she was really being taylor swift that night this was the 1989 world tour of course at metlife stadium bowen and i had i'm gonna say 36 dollar margaritas i put in air quotes when we were not we were we did not have the means to we had no not a two nickels to rub together but we did get there haim was just beginning they were incredible and just truly truly great well and then and then waxahachie did a cover of 3am at forest hills when i saw you we did yes we did

the steps and i'm sorry i'm sorry it was the steps it was okay yeah we did the steps it's okay you know i'll say this about haim it's like have, not only do they have the sort of instrumentation down and like that kind of prowess, and they also are like incredible performers, but they have the most important thing, which is the songs. They just have the songs. Yeah. That's what really matters. It's about the work.

It's about the work. It's about the work, says Bow the work it's about the work says bowen uh throwing his hands in the air i will say like even like their first album was obviously like a huge huge success across the board not everyone loves their second album i love their second album today i was like i was i was with some people and they were like oh i didn't love the second album and i'm like second album has want you back want the second album. And I'm like, second album has Want You Back. Want You Back is one of my favorite songs of all time. I can listen to it anytime.

And I also think it's one of the most impressive music videos that's ever been done. Oh my God. A hundred percent. I completely agree. I love the second album too. Sherman Oaks never looked so good in the music video. I'm just really thrilled that you're here katie katie for some in some ethereal way

was able to like not that she was like able to do anything but like somehow i like cleared my schedule for her when she just reached out one time this was like a like a year ago and you were like hey like i don't know how this started. I have no memory of this. I just, the first thing I remember is just meeting you and eating like a quick little brunch and it just being like a really sweet, wholesome time. And then I was like,

I couldn't believe that you were like talking about like Taylor Swift, understanding what Taylor Swift meant. Like you knew like the people in the milieu of the podcast. I was like, this woman. And I was like, does this person know? And I did end up telling you, this is my Waxahachie story. Listened to P.S. Eliot in college, was like,

love this. Listened to Cerulean Salt. Listened to Cerulean Salt. Her second album was like, this is wonderful. And then it was Ivy Tripp, her third album. I was on a plane back to New York and I was like this is wonderful and then it was ivy trip her third album i was on a plane back to new york and i was like in this woozy i was drifting off into sleep and then air came on rocked my world i said oh this is like i'm a lifer with her now like i am i'm with her for life it went from like just like appreciation and fandom to like full awe and

wonder i don't know what happened bowen i had no idea you took it all the way back to ps elliot that is just that's amazing i was like managing like my fangirling around allison when we met and i was like allison's just so cool anyway she loves you. It's so funny you bring up Ivy Tripp. I was kind of hoping that you would, only because I made that album on Long Island, which I know is where Matt Rogers hails from. Where exactly about? Suffolk County, you know.

It's a little out there. You know, that's very much my stomping grounds. Is it really? It's so funny. Oh, Suffolk County. I slept in New York. Oh my god, I was so spitting distance from there i at the time that i made that album i was dating this guy and we were talking about like i was like i think i want to go to upstate new york and have like a rural moment so many do like he was like i'm i actually have a better idea let's go to long island wow it's the same thing that was a better idea the Let's go to Long Island. It's the same thing. You thought that was the better idea?

The same thing? Yeah. It turns out it's not the same thing. No, but the bagels are better. They are. And you know what? Like, like I was super hardcore into thrifting at the time. The thrifting is amazing out there.

Is it really? Oh my God. It's so good. See that I grew up there at a time when it was like, you were not thrifting to be cool. You were going to like Abercrombie & Fitch, which by the way, I can't wait to watch this documentary that's out now, the White Hot. It's buzzing.

Everyone's talking about it. Honestly, it's the perfect name too, White Hot for that documentary. It's so funny. But like that was, so I didn't get to like experience the cool thrift stores that you're speaking of because it was all about go to the mall

and look like everyone else. Yes, totally. i and you know what i really picked up on that energy when i was out there um yeah i'm sure you did but i will say i like listen people they have their hearts are in the right place they just don't know anything other than long island but i will say this they know how to make bagels. And is it them, or is it really something about the water? I don't know. But you cannot get a bagel anywhere as good anywhere else in the world. And they try. Remember

Bagel Boss? Oh, do I remember Bagel Boss? Did you have a Bagel Boss in Birmingham, Alabama? Absolutely not. I have no idea what Bagel Boss is. No, no, no. This is not Bagel Boss. It's the guy who went to Bagel Boss. Oh, no. Yeah.

So, okay. There was a viral video. There's a bagel chain, Katie, and it's called Bagel Boss. And my local Bagel Boss went viral because some guy went in there and he was like starting in with the girls that worked there. Maybe he was. Was it a mask thing, Beau? What was it?

No, this was pre-COVID. It was a Trump thing. It was not a Trump thing, I think. No, it was just literally he went there, he was a man, he was a short king, as we call him now in the culture. But he was, I guess someone made him feel a certain way. Someone maybe chuckled or made fun of him

for being, for his appearance, which, again, not okay. But then he kind of it was short fuse he completely lost it and the the it was known as the bagel boss meltdown and i was like is that and then i realized it was absolutely my town's bagel boss where i don't want people to be afraid to go because the bagels are incredible. Hopefully he didn't ruin it for everyone. No. I mean, but see, now for a layperson like me or for someone who isn't, you know,

accustomed to Long Island, I feel like that's my association with Bagel Boss now. And with bagels. Yeah, yeah. Did you feel, though, Katie, that at least Long Island offered you creative inspiration

and you felt like you left there with good work? 100%. You know, the thing about Long Island that's really fascinating to me is that it is, there's really only one way to get off of Long Island and it's to go through New York City through the densest, craziest traffic. So people in a sense are sort of trapped there. Yeah. And I thought that in many ways they're trapped there and I found that to be it's it it's dark obviously but it did it did definitely I mean I I felt trapped there sort of to and there was no

other thing to do but really focus on the horror and you think the thing too about it is like it is a beautiful place I mean like and like one time I laughed because someone an adult in my life referred to Long Island as one of the most beautiful places in the world. And I just thought about, like, you know, like, I don't know, like, you know, like, Bora Bora. Like, I felt about, like, the many places in the world. I started to drift off, like, the coral reef. And I really started to think about Long Island as being called one of the most beautiful places in the world. And I was like, you know, that's funny.

But then, Beau, isn't it true you'll sit on fire island and you'll look out at the beaches and like it really is beautiful so there is inspiration to be had oh i completely agree and hold the phone because i woke up this morning and saw the fire island trailer and i just gotta say you guys i can just tell from a million miles away that you nailed it. I mean, what's not to love about that? I think we nailed it. You nailed it. I'm not even gonna be chill about it anymore.

We won't know. I truly, but I really is this how you feel about albums? It's like I don't think we'll know until it's out. Well, I don't know. Actually, I'd be really curious to know your guys' on this with when it comes to tv and movies and stuff but with albums it definitely feels like up until it comes out it's really just yours like it just belongs to you and then the minute that it comes out it

belongs to everyone else um so yeah i guess that you have to go through both things but i think that that that's that's very true it must feel like that with music too. That's so personal, especially like this last album, which you've talked about, like how it was different creating it from others, which we'll get into, but it is really that thing of like, you fall in love with it because it's yours.

And I remember like when we were stopping shooting fire Island, like we were posting pictures and I, I really, I was like almost scared to like say too much or post too much because it was ours. Not even because I wanted to give anything up, but because it was that moment of like, this is only going to be for this group of people. Like probably it is with you and your band or you and people that you collaborate with for so long. And then you give it up and then it really does become everyone else's. And I would imagine, especially with something like St. Cloud which comes at a time in late March of 2020 when everyone is really craving something to sit with

all the time and so I would be curious like with all of your work yes that idea of it's mine now it's everyone's but like what was that like with this last album? Because it had to be magnified. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny. The subject matter of the record just weirdly and kismetly sort of lent itself to what everybody was sort of collectively going through. I could have never predicted it. Marr sort of at a time in my life when I was really struggling to perform and just feeling like really overwhelmed and tired and overworked would always tell me like it's not really about you it's sort of you have to look at what you do as an act of service everyone who's come to your concert needs to be there for one reason or another and it's it's bigger than you at this point you have to just go out there and really give them what they came for

and like see it as an act of service. And that's really how I saw St. Cloud coming out when it came out because the shutdown happened two weeks before and everyone was bouncing off the walls. Like, what are we going to do? Are we going to go on tour? Are we going to,

are we still going to put this thing out? Like we've put so much time and effort into it. And at the time it just felt like, oh, people are going to need this more than they ever need music. So. Can I tell you that my first like happy, I've told you this in person already,

I think, but in case you forgot my first like happy memory, something resembling happiness and lockdown was me cracking open the window when it was a nice day out. This is like the last week of March. I think can't do Much had just come out. You had just released Can't Do Much as like a promotional single or something.

Blasted that on my speakers, opened up the window, was too afraid to go outside, but I was like, at least I'll open up the window and like feel the fresh air on my face and listen to this like lovely freewheeling song. You know,

and then the album, the whole thing came out and I just, I don't know. It's that thing that we talk about, Matt and I talk about at least with like Dua Lipa with Future Nostalgia, of you know it just and and then the album the whole thing came out and i just i don't know it's that thing that we talk about matt and i talk about at least with like dua lipa with future nostalgia where it's like that album will like have this place in our hearts forever and i like the same cloud is that for me 100 just just an album that could not have come at a more necessary

time for me it really was like you and dua Dua. They came out the same day. The same day. They did, yeah. March 27th, right? Yep, exactly. So it's like, both energies were satisfied. Yes.

It was like... Every end of the spectrum, yeah. Totally. I love it. You and Dua being like, you know, yins to yangs is pretty cool to me.

I agree. I love future nostalgia too so i yeah it was cool to sort of be in it with dua yeah but then it comes it comes out and like i but i i i'm so curious about that like do you feel like the fans were even more intense this time around because of what it meant and had to mean i i think so. You know, I mean, what really happened, which was crazy, is like a lot of growth for me. I mean,

I've been doing it for so long. It's my fifth record. And yeah, yeah. I mean, that was the thing in that interim time between when the album came out and when I actually got to tour it. I mean, it was like a year and a half past and it feels like my fan base like doubled in size or something.

So that was, yeah. So so so in a way i it does feel more intense and it's been really crazy the real housewives of new york city are back for another bite of the big apple look who it is joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What?

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every tuesday on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts i don't think i've checked in with you since the tour i mean we've texted each other sorry or just this is me bragging um but i checked in with you a couple times but i feel like i haven't gotten like the the the real-time assessment of like I haven't gotten like the the real time assessment of like what touring's been like for you because I know you kind of really dove into it like

for every prior project like you would tour like the whole like 365 like the 52 weeks out of the year and like it was a very immersive thing and now like is is the relationship different or is it over correcting based on like what happened with covid like i like is is what like what are you noticing differently besides like the size of the audience gosh it's so

it's so different um you know one thing and not to immediately go negative but the one thing that's been so crazy is my stage fright it's really wild I never had stage fright even kind of in my whole life and it it kind of picked up late last year but like all of a sudden I'm just really in my head and it goes in waves like I'll have 16 amazing shows and then like a couple bad ones and then 16 amazing shows and then a couple bad ones. But that's something that really caught me way off guard and I think must be a weird sort of thing that has to do with having not performed for two years or something. Can I ask you, when you say when you have a, when there's a couple bad ones,

how do you qualify a show that's gone well or a show that's gone badly? Is it a thing vocally that you're feeling throughout the show? Because I wonder about how you feel as a singer. Are you someone that's really on top of their voice and worried about their voice? Or is it a crowd response thing? Or is it just an energy? What is that for you that separates? Well, it's so funny. When it comes to my voice, I'm one of those people that doesn't even...

I do warm up, but I never lose my voice, I'm one of those people that like, doesn't even, I do warm up, but doesn't even, I never lose my voice. I'm just lucky like that, which is good. You're just Teflon. It's, it's exactly. It's so, it's rough. It's rough, but it's sort of like, it's just, it, I, it sounds like a voice that would go, but it doesn't.

And I am so grateful for that. That's so interesting how that's true sometimes, because I hear what you're saying, because you do have do have a quality of like and that's what's so great about you as a storyteller vocally is there is a quality of like weathered they're like it's like it's seen things and you you would think like those are the voices that go but then you still have like fucking melissa etheridge ripping it up like you know what i mean like some people it doesn't matter what the tone is they're just healthy i know it's i'm so grateful for it there's some grit to it she't matter what the tone is. They're just healthy. I know. I'm so grateful for it. There's some grit to it. She's seeing some stuff, you know?

Yeah. Still, it works out. But, you know, it's not really my voice for me. I think it's like one little thing will happen. Like I'll trip up on a lyric. I have so many lyrics and the vocal rhythm is really challenging you know um i'll trip up on something and then i will like spiral just like oh no am i gonna forget another word am i gonna something you know i'll just get like really kind of shaky about it and um so that's

been a new thing for me that i'm working on yeah but is this why you bring up what mar was saying like it's not about you yeah that does help like that does help me to kind of remember this is just a like i'm such a perfectionist and so hard on myself i think that when i i say one wrong word or i sort of miss a word and i suddenly completely turn on myself like you shouldn't be here like what you know like just sort of really go dark with it and i think that you know i do try and Like what, you know, like just sort of really go dark with it. And I think that, you know, I do try and channel that.

I'm like, this is just like fun. And this is a rock concert and people are dancing and they're having a good time. And like, I'm allowed to make a mistake. I'm like, I like try to kind of challenge. This is bigger than me. This is about a big shared experience.

It's not about me being perfect. No one's expecting me to be perfect, but sometimes i am expecting that but of course and i that that makes sense to me like i i i i really i don't relate because i don't i don't do what you do but like i i feel like there's something kind of blunt about the way mars said that i feel like that's something that only a best friend could tell you oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, for sure. Because anyone else

saying that, I would take it the wrong way. Absolutely. Because when someone is getting in their own way, you feel like as a best friend, and I can say this as someone who works

with my best friends a lot, when they're getting in their own way, it's both frustrating for them because you see it so much clearer that it's not a big deal and they need to get over it because they they're possessing that power anyway and

they are that good anyway but it's also like girl we can't take up our time with this well you know what i mean exactly and it's like and you can never see that yourself like you always feel the need to like exert this thing of like oh this happened and i'm feeling like this but then you do have your people that are like no listen it's good to have that i'm sure you two are that way with each other you know that kind of that kind of honesty you need like you really need that i think i think we are i think we are yeah matt matt matt is more just so much more clear. It's just so much clearer about it than I am. I tend to sort of, I think I'm like clearing up my brain fog a little bit because I'm like medicated now. But like, I think in the past I would have trouble communicating something to you because I wasn't sure how I was feeling about a situation.

Well, I feel like anytime there's like a self-consciousness, that is related to ego. And the thing is, you are capable of what you are capable of. People did come to see you, and they are enraptured in what you're doing. And so if you don't know the words, they do. That's the cool thing about going to a show where you're on on the bill is it's like you have people there supporting you. And at that point, it should really only be a party and a celebration because we've all opted into the experience of being here together because we're excited about what we're all doing, which is we're enjoying your performing.

And it's so I can see why people why some people would get the stage fright for and it's not that I can't see why people get stage fright. But I guess moving forward, it's like, if it's something like, you know, you're performing on an award show, or you're like, you know, doing some paid thing where you know, the audience is not there for you. Or if it's like a particularly small or particularly large event where there's like something attached to it, then I can see it. But in almost every other circumstance, there is that opportunity to just be like, we're all here together, like, like, for this. Yes, you're so right. And you know what, something that's been really cool, that's been really helping me, I my whole life, I've been

like, sort of eyes down or eyes closed or eyes sort of glued to the exit sign type of performer just find a spot and stick with it and just completely sort of dissociate um yeah and i at at my shows recently i feel like i find a couple people in the people and those are my people and i'm like you're my person yeah you're making me feel safe like we're gonna going to, we're singing together. If I don't know the words you do. So that's, that's been really cool. Let me ask you this. When you go to a concert and like the,

the, the performance isn't what you expected it to be. Do you walk away with any sort of judgment or resentment on that? Like I've never like gone, like there've been, I've been to bad concerts. Sure. But I never walked away from them thinking,

well, I like that, that person or that act less. Yeah bad concerts, sure, but I never walk away from them thinking, well, I like that person or that act less. Yeah. No, certainly not. I mean, especially if I love the records or something, you know, I'm like, I still have the records. Maybe they had a bad night.

You guys are really helping me, actually. Let's just pause and say, you're really helping me. Okay. You're bringing up some great points. Okay. I'm literally one week in therapy and all of a sudden I'm like, but don't you think it's rooted in ego? This is a perfect example. Okay.

I remember going to an Iron and Wine concert. I love. I love them. But something in my energy was off. I was nodding off the entire time. Terminal five. And I was like, I got to go home. That's tough.

And I went home and for a second I was like, well, it's because they were being sleepy and boring. But then I go, no, it's me. And I don't love iron and wine any less like today than I did in 2009 or whenever I went. And I don't know. I think that's like, I think,

I think it goes both ways. Like everyone's just there to like, just to listen to like either perform or listen to music. And that's, I don't know. I just, I, this is,

this is such an original thing for me to say, but I missed concerts and I, and I just love going to them. Yes. This will, this will be my second one. I went to go see Charlie XCX at the Greek. Fine. Um, so, so um so so fun and i'm i'm just so psyched that it's gonna be you and heim because i just feel like that'll be a fun show you know what i mean because i know and that's it's funny

you bring that you we even talk about this because energy in a crowd like at a heim concert like you know it's gonna be people are gonna be ready to see the girls especially oh my god hometown show i mean absolutely absolutely it's gonna be amazing i'm playing a cool 35 minutes and then are you really yes oh my god that's a lot that's great it's great it's great and it's it's a lot but i i mean every night of my shows i play an hour and a half you know so i'm like yeah i get kind of get the night off you know i get the highlight it's nothing but the hits and then i just get to watch time it's just heaven yeah i can't wait oh cool yeah i i am i think that the waxahachie crowd is very very unique and beautiful and sweet and perfect because i feel like you are a very well-traveled is not the right word, but I feel like you've picked up pockets geographically,

whether it's people in the South, people in Kansas, people in Philly, people in New York. I feel like you've really amassed this wonderful, eclectic following of people who wouldn't otherwise come together and watch you. Not that they wouldn't otherwise,

but do you know what I mean? It's like, I think you've really cultivated this wonderful following of people who, I don't know, I feel like I would be, I was at the Forest Hill show, and I was like, this is a wonderful crowd, and it feels like a great mix of people. It was not a homogenous thing in any way.

Yeah, I hope that's true. I mean, I feel like I really pounded the pavement in like some tertiary markets, you know, over the years. But those are important. They're important and it's paid off, you know. I really feel like kind of low key, the best shows of the St. Cloud tour so far have been like Southern college towns, you know.

I love it. Just, I love that. I mean, I love the big city shows too but those are the ones i get a little jittery about and yeah and the i can really like let my hair down in like fayetteville arkansas you know what i mean it's just it's just easy it's so easy bentonville is you kill it there um i had a friend moved from la to bentonville arkansas and then he said to me he's like you got to roll through Bentonville. And I was like, I don't think I will.

But then I'm thinking here, like, maybe it's important. Why not? Tertiary markets. Yeah, tertiary markets. Title of F. Title of F. Found it. Oh, we found it.

I'm very curious, though, especially with you, to ask our question. Because I feel like we're gonna get a very cool answer and also I would love to say let's not even be beholden to music obviously we're music lovers here but like let's spread our wings um so Katie Crutchfield what was the culture that made you say let's just say culture is for you you know I knew you're gonna ask this obviously and I I thought about it and there's a lot of i knew you're gonna ask this obviously and i i thought about it and there's a lot of different directions you could go with this question i'm sure that you've heard that before and i'm sure you guys feel that way but um the thing i really wanted to talk to you

about and kind of drill down on is um and it's actually sim we can we can veer into what you guys were talking about before you brought me in um the thing i wanted to talk about is the chicks actually um i hope that's about lifesavers i um you know i grew up in alabama as you guys talked about and um obviously grew up on country music in the class you know your tammy's your loretta's yes what have you but I country pop was like my like of the 80s and 90s was the thing that I really is huge for me and when they hit I mean I loved Shania I loved Come On Over I have this like very vivid memory of being I don't know maybe in like fourth grade or something and Titanic had just come out and my cousin my like

cool older teen cousin like sat and told me the entire plot from start to finish it took about an hour and the whole time in the background we're listening to come on over that's like a memory that is such a vivid portrait of a time i know oh my god truly um but the chicks like when they hit, I had never heard anything like that before. It brought all these elements of bluegrass and just legit, real country stuff into the pop. Big old pop hooks. Yeah, exactly. Into the pop world.

And when I think about voices with a lot of personality, which is what I really want to have, I think about Natalie Maines. Absolutely. a lot of personality which is what i really want to have you know i think about natalie maynes absolutely she her emotion is there's almost like there's like an like an extra vocal chord which is just to make sure that like her her emotion is there like you've she she can't help but show how she feels when she sings it's absolutely very cool capital s storytelling i don't know that anyone well this is me like being very cursorily literate in country music but i feel like nothing no better storytellers in the chat well look it is tough because can i just say cold day in july are you kidding me no i look this is not to take away from the chicks but i'm saying, if we're going to be talking about country music, let's just say female country music storytellers, people sleep on Trisha Yearwood. Oh my God.

They sleep on Trisha constantly. She's in Love with the Boy was my first favorite song. It was my first favorite song as a little child. Yep. And I listened to that song. We actually, I've like worked on covers of that song. Like I love Trisha. I adore Trisha you you've got trisha dna i'm trying to have like big trisha hair today like yeah it's giving it's giving i will say this that there there is there's a song

that no one talks about okay this this is me you're talking to and it's just beautiful oh my god you guys she there's a couple acoustic versions that she does but it's basically and i thought this was i really needed this song talk about really needing a song at a time but i had broken up with my boyfriend and i was realizing that things were going to be different when we saw each other and this is me you're talking to is a song about how she says to someone that she runs into they have like a weird conversation where they're not saying the thing and she's like wait but this is me you're talking to like remember me and then she's she lists this these things that like only they did together and like the intimate moments that are thrown away when you throw away a

relationship like but it's still me and i just thought that song is so beautiful and storytelling katie perry did that on small talk katie perry did that on small talk anyway um trisha okay i didn't mean to be superlative about the chicks i didn't it's so easy it's so easy to be like they're they're one of the best i didn't even say reba i didn't even start talking about reba i think what we're go. We didn't talk about Reba. I think what we're like sort of dancing around too is that I think that it's like country pop music.

It just takes you deeper into a story than any other pop songs. You know, it really, it takes you, it takes it a step further. It's beautiful. I mean, I love Reba too. It's like soap opera pop music.

Yes. It is. It's like a mining of the emotion. It's like soap opera pop music. Yes. It is. It's like, it's like a mining of the emotion. It's like, you know, any Martina McBride song. You know what I mean?

Like you, by the end of it, you've experienced a Broadway musical. Concrete Angel? Are you kidding me? Like Independence Day? Yeah, please.

Don't even get me started. Independence Day should be a musical. I mean, where is it? Like, where is it? I know. Full stories in these songs

full stories it's beautiful i um have struck up a friendship with winona judd and she's amazing i mean she's a huge is that it's huge and i always am like that's a her story is a musical and with this you weave in the songs are you you kidding? That's a hit on Broadway. The Judds are a legacy family. They are forever. No, the Judds are wild. They're reuniting too. I'm like, I gotta get to one of those shows. Yeah, absolutely.

We love. I think you're in a pretty cool time now where you're like, I think because you're hanging out with Lucinda Williams too. She's more like. Hanging out is a. You guys have struck up. You guys took a deep breath you guys

you guys have struck up you guys have struck up a friendship i would say i would say that i am a such a big fan that i was like annoyingly buzzing around for a couple years and then she was sort of forced to be like who are you okay yes cool you can you can sit with me for an hour and that's you're hanging out it doesn's... You're hanging out. It doesn't matter. Yeah, we're hanging out. I mean, she is, to me, she's my favorite of all time. I think she's the best songwriter, period.

Wow. That's cool. I believe it. I believe it. And to get to be in her orbit is so cool. Have you ever brushed elbows with Natalie Mains and the girls? God, no. But I do.

You know, the chicks are playing at the Greek in LA in the summertime, and Jenny Lewis is opening, and I'm like, stop. That's my dream show. Oh, that's gonna be surreal. That's my dream show. I know. Jenny Lewis live?

I know, stop. Unreal. I mean, she's another one. I could have taken it in that direction, too, the Jenny Lewis direction, but... Let's do it for one second. Okay. And I want to talk to you about Fiona.

Oh, let's go. Okay. I'm also not personally done with the chicks, but y'all can do whatever you wanna do. Well, let's do a quick detour. Okay. Pandemic albums. Jenny Lewis saw her in Chicago

and she plays all the hits, but then she ends, I think she ended with With Arms Outstretched. And it's the perfect song that everyone in the audience can like chant along to and it just makes me cry every time so beautiful so beautiful i love her she took me out i mean she was i would not have started playing music probably if not for rilo kiley i i feel like i was into country and like also like you, kind of grew up into musical theater and like was definitely a performing arts kid. And but then got into like punk rock and sort of like harsher, more indie music. And Rilo Kylie is sort of like this

intersection of all of those things. You know, she sings beautifully and like the melodies are more palatable, but it is still sort of idiosyncratic and like left of center. So it's just I was like, oh, that is the thing I want to do. I think you found it because I think I think I've heard you say in interviews that you want to use. You might aspire to be like genre less, you know? Oh, 100 percent. I do. That's my favorite.

That's my favorite. I think you're there. I really do. I mean, because because like, I don't know. It's tough to say because there's elements of everything. And when you talk about your influences, like, I'm almost surprised because it's so easy to get caught up in, like, did you ever want to sing, like, that big country music, like, woman stands behind a microphone in a gown? Like, is that

in your future too i don't know i mean i have been like wearing a lot of gowns lately but i think that i i don't know i could see it you know i i because there's something glam about it it's glam and that's so fun and that's so fun i i heard someone once described pop as like the sum of everything, you know? That makes a lot of sense. Like if you zoom out, pop melodies are just the sum of everything. And so in that way, that's sort of like what I always want to aspire to. Just something that's universally sort of understood as melodic and big melodies and pop and like lyrics that aren't pretentious but are smart you know that's that's kind of what i'm always going everyone has a home in it somehow yeah exactly

exactly wow i love that i love that a lot is this a potential direction you're gonna go in oh my god bellen i don't know i mean i I'm so maybe I mean you know who I really love I'm so curious if you guys have a relationship with this person but who I really love and have been trying to emulate with the songs I've been working on sort of slowly is Tom Petty oh my god

you know I get that too that makes sense right yeah I feel like he's really that of like the sum of everything it's a little of like the sum of everything it's it's a little of this a little of that and it just equals big huge pop songs so and you know that's what's you know what's so funny about that when tom petty played the super bowl a while back i remember being like what the fuck is this and then it actually makes sense because it's of what we're saying everyone has everyone has a home in it

american girl is like perfect like everyone everyone can latch on to it in some way exactly yeah oh so yeah maybe in that way um i'm so far from i'm way farther from a new album than i want to be um oh i see don't worry about it you know what it all it comes so fast once it like starts coming it it comes so is that how you are that's how i am i just have to wait and then all of a sudden i think it's so it's also okay that that time didn't come during the pandemic because it was such a shift of life you know what i mean like and we were we had uh mary morris on the show um the episode comes out soon but she was talking talking about how like the pandemic allowed her to be creative, but it wasn't out of like an impetus to be creative.

It was more of like, oh, this happened. And now I'm going to deal with the fact that this happened. And then, you know, in terms of like touring it or putting it out, whatever. And I also feel like there's something to the fact that like, you put this album out on march 27 2020 like it has not seen its life through like you are someone who tours with their music you must go out there and play this music live like that's probably has to do with it too absolutely it's basically like

this state of arrested development with the album hasn't gone to college yet she hasn't gone to college yet yeah exactly exactly she's still in the nest. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that's really true. It's just, it's the longest album cycle of all time. But no complaints. No complaints from me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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house like two three weeks just take the summer i would i mean i'd love a little bell house residency moment oh my god isn't it such a cute but honestly and also for comedy for comedy it rocks it really it really is such a fun night for comedy I've also seen such wacky shit there

I saw Point Break Live there do you know about Point Break Live no so it's sort of like a Rocky Horror Picture

type thing where like it's like the actors are acting it out and everyone in the crowd is like a diehard Point Break fan and like knows interacts with it and it's like one of those but it out and everyone in the crowd is like a diehard Point Break fan and like knows the interacts with it.

And it's like one of those. But I saw that at the Bell House. And now looking back, it's so reads as a place where that would be. Yeah, it is interactive. You know what I mean? That's got to feel really good, especially as your music is getting probably when the time at the time you play this when it was getting bigger. It probably felt like full in a way that was so exciting. Absolutely.

I love like a stage where you're, you're just in the room with everyone, you know, it's, it feels super intimate, but, but also like really alive. It's yeah.

It's a great, perfect space. Love it. We love the bell house. Okay. Okay. That's what we did. I don't think so.

Honey live. Those were our best memories. We did all our live shows there we gotta go back that's so fun yes we gotta go back you do

okay next Detour Fiona I've heard you say that well I think you and I both share a deep appreciation for either wheel that might

I know I think you might be a Fetch the Bolt Cutters girl but I think I'm I'm an either wheel person I'm an either wheel girl really? all the way 100% yes nothing against Fetch nothing a Fetch the Boltcutters girl, but I think I'm an Idle Wheel person. I'm an Idle Wheel girl. Really? All the way. 100%. Yes. Nothing against Fetch. Nothing against Fetch. Adore Fetch. I think it's great.

Adore Fetch. Honestly, that's probably my number two at this point, but Idle Wheel is like a masterpiece in its own right. The lyrics to Idle Wheel hit me a little harder, I think. Yeah, because I would say fetch is more like i think it's fiona at her most distilled anger which is which is everyone's

favorite thing about her and like and like it is this beautiful thing like fiona like flips the whole like you know scorned woman trope on its head and she like doesn't give a shit if she comes off as like angry or unhinged or whatever like that's just the beauty of fiona but i feel like either wheel was the most i don't know i just there's some distance like from whatever that album is about there's some space between her and that and and and i feel like with fetch it you're so right it's so distilled it's so raw it's It's so raw. It's so angry. And that is like, you know, if you were to sort of distill Fiona down

into like a couple descriptors, it would be like angry. And, you know, so I think that it is sort of like the highest dose of Fiona that you could possibly get. And there's something sort of nice about the space in Idler Wheel for me, where it is, it's almost, it it almost comes off as more thoughtful and poetic, whereas Fetch is just raw.

Uh-huh, uh-huh. Idle or Real came out... Oh, but we're all around the same age. It came out for me right after college, Matt. It was right after college. It was 2012. And it was this album that the summer of 2012, I just could not stop listening to. The last album that i had that with was like

gwen stefani lamb it was like this album that i could not stop listening to nothing from that point from 2003 to 2012 a nine-year gap but no it was it was like it was it's one of those albums that you get like once every decade honestly where you're like blackout by britney found dead blackout by britney found dead but but but either wheel was like i was like you remember that time matt like i was like miserable you were not happy you were not i was i was not happy and like it was this album that like i could like yeah like i don't know like so that was know I think also during any transition time in your life the albums do jump out like I remember

it was Ingrid Michaelson's album when we were in 2012 the song people forget about Ingrid we are all blood brothers I love that song and just like whatever that album was I'm losing the name right now,

but also right before then, like Tegan and Sarah, for some reason, those, at the end, what was it, the heartthrob? Oh my God.

That's hard. Okay. I, the first time I ever toured Europe was opening for Tegan and Sarah on the outdoor. And they are heaven on earth. And you guys should have them on the pod.

Oh, we really should. You really should. Honestly, they are so funny. And they just delivered so many nuggets of wisdom that I still draw back to now. I mean, they gave me so much good advice and were just so warm and welcoming and amazing. And they're the best. I mean, drove me wild.

I remember when they put out that song, I was like, how dare they do this like it just feels like the I don't know it sort of reminded me of like that moment when Liz Phair went pop and everyone was like fuck her and I was like what are you talking about this she made one of the best pop songs ever why can't I oh my god we just so we pump up every night on like before we go on stage we like someone DJs and we just like dance and someone put that on a couple nights ago and we all just went off. We just got so. It's one of those. It's one of those. The bridge.

Everyone singing along. Oh, so good. The bridge. Also, I mean, just purely like the chorus. it's such a genius hook that i think people and this is how i feel about like people quote unquote serious music people sometimes is that it's just like it's an anger that things were were fun and that it could be that easy for someone to be also that commercial but that's just what a genius she is i mean don't hate her because she's beautiful exactly and. I think that album was one of the Pitchfork albums that they apologized for.

They apologized for it. The Liz one? The Liz one. Oh my god, they should. Because they gave it a 0.0 rating. No. And that's just like, come on. I mean, and here's the thing. I am like a diehard Liz Phair fan of all the early stuff.

Exxon Guyville is a masterpiece. One of the best albums of all time. stuff like I think she Exxon Gaiville is a masterpiece one of the best albums of all time but it is like I mean it's undeniable that that song is I mean

I remember at the time thinking this is an amazing pop song how could she 13 going on 30 exactly I mean

it doesn't just sneak into romantic comedy trailers guys you know what I mean exactly that doesn't happen by accident it's not in the fabric of the movie so that it's in the trailer like it's something someone had to

create and it's perfect for that but yeah i um it's just it's those formative albums that i think attach to a time period but yes and for you you're also saying it attached to an emotion which was i think depression um i'm a tulip in a cup by stan o' transton growing up like what an amazing And for you, you're also saying it attached to an emotion, which was, I think, depression. I'm a Tulip in a Cup by Stano Transcendence. Oh, stop. Growing up. Like, what an amazing genius lyric. That, the first, I'd say like four bars of Valentine, that song, it's some of my favorite lyrics that have ever been written.

That's, I listen to that song and I'm like, this is why she's a genius. It's so good. Oh my God. Or that lyric about like her eating dinner and it was salted with her tears or something. Yes, exactly. It's so good oh my god are there that lyric about like her eating dinner and it was salted with her tears or something yes exactly yeah good and then hot knife which is just just percussion and her her vocals later on top of each other genius okay now back to the checks we're back to the check well can i just i just want to say like it's it's i'm just so excited they're gonna play like in la because i feel like that is

their crowd now like that crowd that goes to these shows like that and i just it's um i mean for me it's it's weird to say because they're so formative and they live in our hearts because of what they did earlier but i mean taking the long way like that just like I just feel like that as a statement after everything that also was the best music they had done it's just and also I feel like they now they can really be quiet and introspective because there's nothing about them that's trying to even in the smaller songs like really entertain they just need to express and it's like that's why I really love their new albums and talking about a pandemic album that was incredible and i did not think this last album got its due but gaslighter that whole album was great i completely agree and you know what's really powerful to me

about it is i think about the chicks and growing up in alabama and like how important that band was for women and like i feel like there's so many women in rural like in the rural south and just in rural america that like have never even heard the word gaslighter they don't even know the concepts of that are like maybe new or foreign and that's so powerful that that's this big this big pop music that sort of have has these these bigger concepts i think it's just so it's such a cool choice and like i feel like the way that they felt the way that the chicks famously fell off and like you know making these bigger political statements it's just so like chef's kiss that they finally are kind of getting their time oh yeah

yeah oh yeah nothing more satisfying than that i hope i hope that they're like just absolutely relishing in that but i hope so too i. I remember taking the long way, like, sweeping at the Grammys that year. Yeah. I think both as a statement for the time and also because, like, that music was genuinely so powerful. I mean, Not Ready to Make Nice, the second verse, it's iconic. It's iconic it's iconic it is it is just a primal cry against everything that had happened and also for it to have for it to be the second verse and the highlight of the whole song like the emotional centerpiece of the whole song there's something in there it's just so cool

and you know it's one of those songs that you see covered, but it can never. It's like, I don't want to miss a thing, or I will always love you, or any of these, like, classic iconic songs where it's like, there was a moment and there was a voice that did it, and it's just iconic. And once you try to emulate it, you're just emulating it, or you're not matching up in terms of what you're doing with it. It's just one of those songs that matches artists forever. Yes, completely agree.

I really admire, Katie, that you like covers, that you like performing them. I do. And I wonder what your process is in terms of choosing something? I mean, I treat it like I treat my own song sort of, where I just, anything that makes me feel really lit up and excited is usually kind of what I gravitate towards. So anything I can just picture like, oh, this is going to feel so good to sing. So that's how I've been picking.

But I mean, we're doing two right now but we you know we are I'm always like throwing ideas out of my band like can you guys like learn this by soundcheck

you know that's kind of how we keep it fresh is just introducing new covers into the conversation it's it's so good

you do you do you do Lucinda you do Fruits of My Labor we're doing Fruits of My Labor um Lot of a Clear Blue Morning Dolly those of my labor we're doing fruits of my labor um lot of a clear blue morning yeah those are the two we're doing right now okay great but then one of my favorite covers period jessica simpson with you oh my god yeah bowen and i listen to this

all the time like it's it's it really is just one of those because because that really again is just a well-written pop song. You know what's so funny? So, I guess, God, it must have been 2012 or 2013, Lena emailed me and said, I woke up in the middle of the night, and I'd had this dream that you sang with you by Jessica Simpson. Wow! And I think it should be in the show. So, Lena Dunham gave you the idea for it?

Well, it was for the Girls soundtrack. Yes. She wrote me and was like, I have this idea. And I thought about it and I was like, I cannot picture how to do that song. I feel pretty confident about my ability to tackle most songs, you know? I love making songs my own.

I love interpreting them. And that one, I was like, I am drawing a blank. But we did it, and she loved it. And now it is one that people really like. Because it's surprising to hear. It's like one of those songs where when you're doing it, it's like it starts and you hear the words and you're like, is that?

It is. It sure is, yeah. Because it sounds removed enough in the best way from the source material that you're like hey like that recognition setting in is just kind of a beautiful moment of like wow totally singing that song yeah absolutely i appreciate it so much more now at the time i was like it was 10 years ago I was like angsty and kind of like took myself too seriously and was like I have to sing these lyrics you know and now now I'm I appreciate it more yeah yeah do you who what who is your favorite pure pop musician do you have one god um gosh

yeah I mean I pay pretty close attention to pop music and and do like ultimately think it's the best music that's currently being made probably um but I mean I love Taylor I love Beyonce you know I I feel like those those two are the ones that I sort of think are the high watermark of like pop songs right now right because again like I said it for me at the end of the day, it's really all about the songs. Yes. Yes. You recorded St. Cloud and Long Pond, where Taylor was. So cool. But then you said this to me one time where you were like, where you feel some sort of artistic connection to every one of Taylor's eras in some way.

We were really aligned for a second. Yes. I remember when 1989 came out right after that ivy trip came out and it felt kind of like kindred in a way like yes they were both sort of these like like a new direction you know and even the artwork is like sort of similar yeah you know um and then reputation came out when out in the Storm came out. Out in the Storm came out, which is dark, angsty. Those are really tied in my mind. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And then, let's see. I mean...

The Folklore and St. Cloud, I feel like there's some parallel there. There's some parallel. Exactly. And they're kind of pandemic albums, you know, 100%. So, yeah. And was it Red and Cerulean Salt? Or no, it was the... Oh, Red and Cerulean...

I think Red and Cerulean Salt. Yes. I didn't even think about that one. Yeah. And, I mean, Colors, you know. colors you know and colors and like and a little bit of a breakthrough for both because red was sort of her first real step into pop music and um yeah so i i've always sort of and we're the same age you know and yeah i'm always like yeah we're on we're sort of plugged into some kind of similar wavelength, I think. Yeah.

Do you feel like that, Bowen? Were we on our reputation era when she released Reputation? I think we were. I was not in my reputation era. I was. I was in my reputation era then. We all needed it. We all needed it when it came out. It was perfect timing.

That was the return to Saturn. Oh my God, it was. I have to inform you. Reputation era was the return to Saturn, and that's just the way. I have to inform you. Reputation era was the return to Saturn, and that's just the way that goes. Wait, it was mine. It was mine, too. It was yours?

It was mine, because we're all around the same age. Yeah, it was mine, too. I mean, wow. That was the return to Saturn, and I think it was hers, too. And she emerged a butterfly and lover. Yes. Absolutely.

A colorful, prideful butterfly. I know. I do actually think that St. Cloud is sort of lover and folklore kind of married. Yes. It is. Wow. A new beginning. I mean, I hope that you guys felt like butterflies after your Saturn return.

I certainly did. Absolutely. Oh, my God. No, I've never been in more of a lover era than when I first moved to LA. I still think I'm going through. I think I'm still in my Saturn return. Are you? Isn't it like 28 to 31, 32?

I don't know. It's like 18 months. It's like 18 months. Yeah. It's like a time of like 27 to 29. I think Saturn works differently for me. I think Saturn. Okay.

Icon. Okay. Iconic pull of the tides. Wait, wait, wait. I've already asked you this. I mean the sun. The sun. Wait, what's your chart?

What are your three? Yeah, what's your chart? I'm a Capricorn, which I really identify with. Okay, okay. The dolly of it all, you know? Yeah. And I, let's see.

I'm a Taurus rising and a Sagittarius moon. Okay. Okay. We're very grounded, very on Earth. Yes. But a lot of fire in there too. Yeah. Absolutely. Definitely. Okay. We're very grounded, very on earth. Yes. But a lot of fire in there too.

Yeah. Absolutely. Definitely. Perfect. What are you two? I should know this, but. Oh, I'm a drunken wet Pisces. I'm water, water, water.

Oh, I love Pisces. I love Pisces. Pisces rising, Pisces cancer moon. Oh my God. Watery. Watery. I love it. It never stops.

Dewey, dewey, dewey. I'm divisive as a Scorpio people clutch their pearls Yeah, but also, you see what he just did? What'd you say? Scorpio, what he just did Making it a subject of debate

Oh, I love it. All the boys in my band are water signs and I just, I surround myself with water sign men It's what I like Is it emotional? Yes, it's what I like. Is it emotional? Yes. Is it? It's what I need.

Yeah, I love that. I'm sort of the grounded sort of like center of the circle. It's really, it makes me, it really gives me a sense of purpose and it's great. Yeah. I just, oh my God. Katie, I fucking love you. I just have to say it.

I love you too. I'm so, I can't tell you guys how excited i am to be here i just i'm in heaven i mean it is it is a true honor to have you here but here's the thing so it's like i feel like like the expected like katie lost coach is going to be we talk about music the entire time but i also want to know what the fuck you were watching and i want you to tell us give us please a picture of your sorry but media diet we must know okay um let's see what am i watching i just finished bridgerton season two okay did you guys watch bridgerton i didn't watch this season i watched the first season but because I heard that in the second season, like there's not even any drama about where any cum goes.

It's just like sort of like a straightforward, like dating show. It is. It's a really straightforward. It's a lot of like heavy breathing and like sort of like longing stares. And it's very Jane Austen. Yeah, we love that. Yeah.

So that, I mean, it's funny because I'm on tour. So we don't, I don't watch that much TV when I'm home. I, yeah. So that, I mean, it's funny because I'm on tour, so I don't watch that much TV. When I'm home, I watch a lot of TV, but I'm in Salt Lake City right now, and everyone is, all my boys are like freaking out about Real Housewives. I'm not, I don't watch Real Housewives. The boys are freaking out?

The boys are freaking out? A couple of my boys love Real Housewives, and we're in Salt Lake City, and I'm just sort of like, I feel like I could get into this, and I know that you guys like it I feel like I could get into this. You could. I know that you guys like it. So yeah, maybe that's,

Salt Lake City might be my entry point. I don't know. You need something dumb to watch. I need something dumb. God, I really need something dumb to watch. You're so right. That's what it is. We all do.

It's ambient. Just put it on and then you're, I don't know. Are you, what's the mode of transportation? Is it? We're on a bus. Yeah, we're on a bus.

And what is that like? What is that bus culture like? Oh my God. Thank you so much for asking. It is not really that much more glamorous than living on a camper with 10 other people. Yeah. That's pretty much what it is. It's kind of rough in it.

You know, it's cute. We have like our snacks and like our coffee maker. And, you know, there's definitely like a designated morning group. And then there's the late night group. I'm in the morning group. I go to bed early. We live, we like sleep in little bunks. And so I've made mine kind of cute.

And it has like a salt lamp and like a quilt. And it's sort of nice in there. A salt lamp always does so much. Like you never, you never think about nice in there um a salt lamp always does so much like you never you never think about it but get a salt lamp everyone it's actually rule of culture number 34 get a salt lamp everyone oh i love it it's i i couldn't agree more it just gives it a nice glow and what color is it it's like pink yeah it's like a pink sort of... Yeah, like the Himalayan salt. No, Bowen, stop laughing now because mine is orange. But you're colorblind,

so it might be a pink one. Rats. He's got me again with the colorblind fact. It could very well be pink, but I think it's orange. It's like an orange glow, but a pink when it's turned off, it's pink. Is that so?

I think so, yeah. I think so. So you could say orange. You could say it emits an orange light, which is really nice. Well, whatever it's emitting Is that so? I think so. Yeah, I think so. So you could say orange. You could say it emits an orange light which is really nice. Well, whatever it's emitting is fine by me and the salt lamp, it stands. It stands. It's such a

must. It's a must. It's a must. I agree. Has Kevin seen you? Yes, he so I played the Ryman on this tour which was a very big honor. Amazing. I know. i've never been more fucking terrified in my life and actually a so someone pulled a fire alarm three minutes before i was set to take the stage we don't know i mean that's what the the fire marshal was like we think

it's a pull we don't know but it's either a malfunction or someone has pulled this fire alarm. That happened three minutes before we were supposed to go on. That was kind of like rain on your wedding day. A little bit. We got back on track and the show was great and it was amazing. Kevin, he

came for a few days and he was there for that, which was really sweet. His new stuff is so good. Oh my God. It is so good. It's so great. The record is amazing. I'm really, really excited for him. I can't wait.

I can't wait. This is kind of inspiring and I don't think so honey that even the fire marshals are like not sure what it is. Like, because you know there's that moment when an alarm gets pulled

and everyone's like, is this real? But then like either that lasts the whole time and if it's a fire then good luck or people are like, is this real? But then like either that lasts the whole time. And if it's a fire, then good luck. Or people are like, wait, we should like ask somebody. And if the fire marshals don't know, then what do you do?

Absolutely. I was sort of like tunnel vision, sort of like, I just like need to hopefully still play this show. And so I didn't ask any questions. I was like, we just got to get in there as quickly as possible. And then the show happened. And now we're all sort of left scratching our heads like what the hell just happened really funny this is like um it's always like a weird sociological experiment when a fire alarm gets pulled and how people behave i'm like literally i'm it's it's like i'm looking i'm going over the concept of fire alarms in my head again and i'm just like transported back to

elementary school and there was always that will they or won't they with the fire alarm oh my god of course it's like it was sitting right there it's sitting right there it's just like anyone's to pull i don't and i actually i'm curious how many lives are saved by like fire alarms yeah pulled you know yeah and you have to imagine like are they really that effective effective? Is there a better way? Are there smoke detectors we could think about? You know what I mean? Then the fire alarm. You leave it in my hands, and suddenly it's like, you know,

it's that ledge that's right there that you're not going to jump off of, but you're good. You're good. It's right there. Oh, my God. It's like a naming contest on the internet. It's like you don't leave it to regular people to decide something. No, no, no, no.

I know. I will say it did inspire. What I felt from stage was that it really had inspired a lot of camaraderie because people all had to stand outside together for like 30 minutes. So when everyone emerged back into the building, they were more excited about the show.

So it was a good energy to walk out to, but it was insane. Rain on your running day. It's a good omen in the end, but sort of annoying in the moment. It's a good story, kind of, even though I love more information. I can't wait for the details to emerge at some point. I want the person caught, okay? Me too. We want him caught.

I want the fan that paid to come to the show to be caught and taken away and questioned roughly i want me too and punished to the fullest extent of the law fullest extent of the law i completely agree what's like i don't know because when you were in elementary school and they always said if you pulled the fire alarm you would get expelled like they said like it was the worst thing you could do so what's i guess i guess hardcore life imprisonment is the adult sort of you know exactly did you guys have this like the urban legend in our school was that it sprays an ink on your hand so if you were to pull it people can find you and like you know oh you have the ink on your hand you're the one who pulled it

like i don't think the technology is that sophisticated even that's like year 2022 when someone tells you don't be in this pool because this pool is a special thing where it turns red exactly like so you tell the scare of the children into behaving you know fear-based learning wow i mean where did that get us in the end nowhere we're all messes because now i have no i have no fear when an alarm goes off i go yeah i go it happens here all the time my apartment too and you always get an email that's like never mind it's never i mean yeah when has a fire alarm really been like it's a dire situation and you need to get out of here it's everyone is so blasé about them now i that was we sort of all backstage

looked at each other and we're like are we doing this or are we staying and then we eventually were told to leave but what was it like growing up in birmingham like what did you go to public school in birmingham yeah it was great yeah Yeah? Yeah. I mean, I... Do you have more questions? I would love to drill down more specifically. It's such an opposite of where I, like,

went to elementary. I just wonder if it was, like, if it wasn't a very conservative environment, I guess is my question. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's just churchy.

Yeah, it's churchy. And I didn't grow up super religious or anything, so I was sort of surrounded by a lot of churchiness but it was sort of like kind of from an early age I was able to parse that and just sort of you know

you saw the forest for the trees I think yes exactly but yeah it's super conservative but I also you know pretty early on was playing shows in like the city of Birmingham and I mean it's amazing it's sort of i love the south i think it's obviously has its drawbacks politically and stuff but

there's a lot of amazing bubbles um and it's just there's so much color and personality and it's just yeah i think it's kind of the best i love the south too i love visiting there just got weird over the past couple of years because you're in your head about the cultural differences, I think. Of course. I really enjoy being there. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'll say this, like kind of coming up in like a cool music scene there and stuff. I feel like conversations about politics were had like more openly because of where we were. Right. like conversations about politics were had like more openly because of where we were. So I sort of feel like I grew up with a lot of that,

it all kind of being out on the table a little bit more. I see. At least that's sort of been my perspective. But yeah, I think it's pretty magical. I think that it's almost like because of that struggle, the people that kind of make it out or make it sort of, or just find like another way of looking at things than what's normal there um it makes it like that much cooler or something but yeah yeah but i feel like i i look at like not to bring her up again but like

flow millie and i'm like oh like this like this is this like works anywhere but i guess it could have only come from alabama like she just She identifies with it so much in her stuff that I'm just like... I've always had the impression that Birmingham and I guess Mobile... She's from Mobile, yeah. She's from Mobile. Yeah. Like music towns, kind of. Or some music culture there that like...

I don't know. Is that... Am I totally off no i think i mean i can't speak for mobile i i the first out of town show i ever played in my whole life when i was 15 years old was in mobile and it was definitely like kind of strange and haunted but birmingham but i mean flow millie it's like we're in totally different worlds but i i for the indie scene in mobile was like not totally existent as far as i could tell but birmingham was like yeah i mean all i i feel like i i came up playing all kinds of shows with

like a metal band and like a indie band and a folk band it's like all the bills were really diverse because there wasn't like a ton of stuff going on and right that way i got like a heavy dose of all different kinds of music kind of all the time. And there it kind of just like shapes you into an artist and a songwriter that like can sort of, you know, aspire to genrelessness. Because you knew early on to sort of coexist with everything. Yeah, totally. Yeah, no, I think that's really true and you know there's we were so adjacent to nashville and atlanta and athens and new orleans and like we're really close to all

those places so i was always traveling to other like cool southern cities to play too yeah where's what where's whitmer's from where's he is from gulf shores which is like the very little there's like a little like tip of alabama it's down there like right by the panhandle of florida on the beach we i love wet too he did a little time in birmingham i think and i know he would he was in bands and like was aware of my bands like that kind of thing but we didn't know each other till we we all left alabama uh but i god he's you're both so cool he's the best he's so great and so so funny do you know who i'm thinking of right now who who else is genreless who taylor remember no you're gonna fall on the ground jimmy buffett

oh my god jimmy buffett has no genre he and that's why he's huge, honey. And that's why he's got a Margaritaville brand because everyone has a home in it. It's drinking. It's just getting drunk. It's going on vacation. Everyone has a home in it. Everyone, like you listen to Jimmy Buffett to just feel like you're on vacation.

That's brilliant. That's brilliant. Literally, it's branding 101. It's actually rule of culture number 72 jimmy buffett is branding 101 did i tell you matt that we went like me kyle and heidi were planning like a like a writer cast like outing for work at snl because like people just haven't gotten to hang out with each other this year. And so we were like, it's got to be close to work. It's got to be close to 30 Rock. It's got to be fun.

It can't be some random bar in the town. You know where you got to go. I think Kyle suggested Margaritaville. Margaritaville. I was like, I didn't know there was one in Times Square. Oh, there is. We went and we had a blast. Yeah, Kyle also is going to be the one to suggest

margaritaville because kyle mooney i have it on good authority is a disney person he loves really that makes a lot of love buffett and disney are tied they are absolutely they live right here and that's they live right here and i wish people could see my hands but right where my hands are touching that's where they live and literally that was my entire childhood like going to disney world and being at margaritaville uh that's long island culture yeah that's long island culture though katie i mean if you didn't stay long enough to understand like the mindset that that you choose to go where you want to escape that That is only Margaritaville. Oh,

I bet Jimmy Buffett is huge. And long. That's huge. My parents used to go to Jones beach, like to tailgate and watch him all the time. And I feel bad because I never got to the point where I could do that. But like once I say, I want the experience once.

And then it probably is way too much. No, the experience of a Margar probably is way too much. No. The experience of a Margaritaville tailgate, like a Buffett concert tailgate. You've been to a Charlie XCX concert where it's like screaming chaotic e-girls and it's the funnest time in the world. I don't know that the energy

would be as good. Whatever. Was Orlando a vacation spot for you guys in alabama or no yeah my dad's from alabama or excuse me from orlando so we would go to visit the family and it was conveniently located just right next to disney world which is really great for us as children now what was your favorite ride or attraction my god thank you for asking it's been so long since i've been there i think i love space mountain and i remember being kind of like finally old enough to do space mountain yeah just feeling like so cool it is a i think about it sometimes like it is just a roller coaster that's in the

dark you gotta go you gotta go uh as of late because they really production value has really increased in the mountain itself and the mountain itself inside the mountain itself it's actually become a real spectacular no no but when it's become a real spectacular there's like track lighting every now and then oh my god but tron is coming to disney world bowen oh that's fun yeah oh yeah space mountain 2.0, if you will. I'm happy to hear that. Were you a haunted mansion person?

Yes, but also, I get spooked at that stuff still to this day. Are you a scared person? I'm a scared person. I don't think going to the really extreme haunted houses during Halloween is fun at all.

You know what's weird? I identify as being an extremely afraid person, but I do love the haunted houses. I think I love to get out and run. You know? There's no running in the haunted mansion. Just get out and run for your life.

Well, the haunted mansion is goofy. Katie can handle it now just fine. I can handle it now as an adult. You'd see the humor. Although some animatronics, they're a little spooky. A little bit. Even to this day. For adults, for grown people like us.

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I think it might be time. Okay. I don't think so, honey. Now, Bowen, what's this thing again? This is our one-minute segment where we just dress down something in culture dress it down and sometimes it feels great sometimes you and i do an okay job at it we've done it too many times i think i'm gonna i think i'm gonna go for it today and try to be good i i i don't mean to bring this energy into this the space i'm so sorry. And it's rooted in ego. It's rooted in ego.

You have something? I do. This is huge. Let's have Matt Rodders do his I Don't Think So Any As Time Starts Now. I don't think so, honey. Elon Musk owns Twitter. It's like you can combine the two worst things in the world and give them ultimate power. How

did this happen? how does one person have 44 billion dollars to just sort of i don't know throw at something like owning twitter which i i i can't explain what is going to happen if he allows trump to come on for the 2024 election which is what i'm hearing and this is the ultimate i think so, honey, I have left to give in my loins, heart, spirit, gut. Please don't let Trump back on Twitter. Please can we not go back into this narrative? I don't think so, honey. Elon Musk, from what I understand,

you're sort of like an anthropomorphized, like, sort of like, I guess a robot is anthropomorphized because it kind of goes and moves. What I mean to say is that you're sort of like a skeletal robot, and I don't know about giving you power over social media site Twitter, which already in and of itself is evil.

It feels like two evils, and I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. I mean, it's tough. It's really tough to understand that he's going to own this weapon. That's the way I feel when I hear that he's acquired it. Do you guys think people will just leave?

All I can say is I certainly left and someone texted me today and was like, should I leave? And I told them absolutely yes. Oh, yeah. If you haven't already, I mean, uh, I, I think, um, he is vowing to make it like to,

to have it be so that like the bots will disappear. He wants it to be like, it's only real people. No, of course it's, it's really just crazy how it happened within like two weeks. Literally. I think April 9th was when he put in that nine or

that or something like that nine percent stake and then now it's like i think he just like probably like talked to some shareholders and now it's like it is what it is i guess that's what happens when you pay 44 billion dollars for it can you even imagine this is this is the craziest part is that um one time he was being a troll, and he was like, I will pay the UN $6 billion to end world hunger if they can outline a plan. And then,

they called his bluff and literally presented him a plan, and he never paid. And then now he's paying $44 billion to buy the 15th most successful social media site it's not twitter's not even like that big of a deal anymore unfortunately and i don't think it's gonna grow like it's not like a thing you can invest in and grow out of like what it has become over the past

decade like i just i just think it's a weird fucking move and it's purely like a troll instinct i think he's just doing it because he's eccentric and like wants to do something that like will get people's attention maybe I don't know yeah well it has me spooked it has it gives me the heebie jeebies

anyway Boniang do you have another funny topic in mind I sort of do and this is all rooted in ego he's going to absolutely slay are you ready? I'm ready this is Bo and Yang

I don't think so honey lip mask versus lip balm versus aquaphor I'm in the tertiary market of being someone who is keeping track of the differences and looking up what the fuck occlusive means. I don't want to.

The fact that I know what occlusive means in a lip balm or in a moisturizer sucks because I would rather know how to like speak French better than I do. I would rather remember the plot of 30 seconds severance after watching it one time through and going, I'm not dragging, I just go, I'm having a hard time like latching onto something. Anyway, lip balm. I think about you every day and night. I think about you every moment of the day because I always feel like I need to top up on my lips.

And it's this thing, it's Sisyphean. It feels like I will never sort of like, I'll never, we're never done with my lips. And it's this thing, it's Sisyphean. It feels like I will never sort of like, I'll never, we're never done with our lips. And I feel like this is just a prison that, you know, the market has created for us that we have to buy it forever and differentiate between different types. Yes, and that's one minute.

What was that word you said? Occlusive. Occlusive. And what is occlusive? It basically traps the moisture under. So for lip balm, if a lip balm is occlusive? It basically traps the moisture under. So for lip balm, if a lip balm is occlusive, the only way it's actually effective is if you moisten the skin below it first. Like Vaseline is pure occlusive. Thick, rich.

You got to lick your lips first and then put it on for it to do anything to you. Can I try something? Coming to the stage occlusive i don't know no it doesn't doesn't really ring the you know the name occlusive occlusive occlusive i don't know anyway like actually like is there a way to just not have chapped lips i don't think that that is actually a option i think that we can temporarily moisten them with your balms your masks etc and then i don't know 20 minutes later they're just back to chapped i think that's just being a human today i'm putting i'm putting like an overnight lip mask on during

the day and i feel like i'm i feel like a fuck up i feel like i've done something wrong really so you wake up and they're still we're still chapped they're still chapped but even just i feel like I've done something wrong. Really? So you wake up and we're still chapped. They're still chapped, but even just, I feel like I'm breaking the rules. I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be doing and my body knows. They're like, hey, this isn't a lip balm.

This is a sleeping mask. I'm just sitting here thinking of a time. I'm thinking of a time when we didn't have any of this stuff, like the Little Women era. The Little Women era. Think about what those women's... What were they doing?

Those Little women's lips they probably were so chapped. Like Saoirse needed much more chapped lips in the movie. I want to see the movies I want to see the film and television

in this country start to tackle the fact that those lips were chapped. I understand they're movie stars but if we're going to

really like be occlusive to the times Oh my god. We need the chapped lip representation because it was probably a nightmare and it probably felt unbearable and probably a cause of a lot more conflict than we're seeing in current film.

Oh, yeah. The Gilded Age, I want the chapped age. And you know what? Also, the dry skin. All of it. Yes. Yeah. They don't look like that. They don't look like that they don't

look like now they look like they had a chemical peel they don't look like that they were gross they were gross thank you thank you well i think it's time for katie crutchfield's i don't think so honey and she said she has something i i kind of came up with one uh in this hotel room that i'm in okay so it's art created in this very space it's created in this space you're like seeing it happen in real time wow oh my god this is katie crutchfield's i don't think so honey her time starts now okay i don't think so honey overhead lighting in general yeah how is the brightest, bluest, most depressing light the standard that we all just sort of accept as a society? Am I in the doctor's office?

Am I in a grocery store at 2 a.m.? Does the general public not care about aesthetics in general you know what i'm saying like oh yeah i don't think so honey it's you enter a hotel room and you flip the light switch on and it's just the brightest most bare bulb that you've ever seen and the only other option is to walk around and sort of meticulously turn on oh three to five lamps and find your light like i want to look my best i want the people in my life to look their best and it's not happening with overhead lighting i don't think so and that's one minute get the bring the salt lamp inside that's we need see that's what we need that's why i have salt lamps

yeah we need the glowy beautiful light like we need warmth we need warmth we need warm lighting we don't need this chilly frigid blast exactly refracting onto us i'm spending a lot of time in dressing rooms and backstages and they are the worst offenders and i'm trying to put makeup on and things like that in that light and it's just not fun why it got to be like that that should be that should be the standard that should be like the peak lighting situation I know I totally agree and I I don't know I mean this is a whole other I don't think so honey but the sort of like newer iPhone like selfie camera is so unfortunate it's just so like it just it's way tmi you know um and that i think the lighting

with that has just been like it's been hard oh no on the new iphone yeah the newest one it's damn like it's a lot it's just too much info it's it's a washout moment yeah it's way too much information yeah it's an overshare it's an overshare oh my god well listen i i tried to set up my lighting although it's gorgeous no it's gorgeous you guys both like you have just no i've got it over but it's warm it's not you have a warm overhead see i've actually been admiring your overheads this whole time like how do i get that because it's great i i wish he hired a lighting designer when he got s and l he actually hired a lighting designer for his whole apartment. So wherever he goes,

if he even stumbles into some rough lighting, it's good flattering him. People will believe this. It's vanity. It's rude in an ego. It's rude in an ego. Yeah, the lighting designer come in. Mikhail.

Mikhail. People will think this is true. Well, it is true. I said his name, but I just make the name up. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. Wait, Katie. What a joy. well it is true I said his name but I just make the name up yes absolutely absolutely wait Katie

what a joy this is a true joy such a joy speaking of warmth I think this that's all you exude very much so it's just

and at your shows I can't wait for Matt to go see you and for people to go see you I'm so excited I'm so excited Bowen give Matt my number I'm gonna try and come say hi and Matt my number. I'm going to try

and come say hi and hang and like, oh, that's just, I want to, yeah, I've never met Sudie. I want to meet Sudie.

Oh my God, no, we'll jam as they say. Sudie and I. I can't wait to see the show. Oh my God. It's going to be so fun. So fun.

I'm so, I'm so excited. Bowen, I wish you could be here. Bowen's literally coming into town a couple days later. It's okay. I bless it. I think you guys just, He blesses it. Not that you could be here. Bowen's literally coming into town a couple days later. It's okay. I bless it.

I think you guys just... He blesses it. Not that you needed me to bless it. No. You do, though. I like your blessing. Thank you. Sudie will be so excited.

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