Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Thank You For Caring" (w/ Brendan Scannell)

Episode Date: April 24, 2019

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just total honesty. be totally honest because that's what people like. They like it when people are honest. They love that window in. Yeah. Please offer us that. They love that window in.

Give us that. I don't know if I'll, if I'll go. I hate you. I really hate you deep down in my core because this is like a, this is like crazy to me. No, I will go, but I just, I'll probably stay for hate you. I really hate you deep down in my core because this is like crazy to me.

No, I will go, but I'll probably stay for like two hours and leave. We're going to a fun party, a gay party in Los Angeles. It is called Ospinoff. Now, apparently this is like the fun happening thing to do for queers of all types on the weekends. And you are a queer. Uh-huh. I am a type. Listen, I feel that we must go.

Okay, no. I'm saying that I will probably panic within two hours and leave. Why panic? Just because all of a sudden I'm becoming, and this is no shade, I'm becoming a Pat Regan and I'm just like, I don't know if I want to like, and Pat would cop to this, but like, you know. You don't want to stay out if you don't feel like it? Well, I just don't want to stay out.

I just don't, like, LA in particular, like, I feel like is even more, is an even more amplified representation of like all the things that make me feel insecure about being a gay man. But this is a, but they say this is like a party for queers of all types. I know, but we'll see.

The freaks, the weirdos, the fags, the, the, the, the ghosts, the outcasts. And those are the types.

Yeah. Yeah. I think, um, I'll go. I'll just, we'll, we'll see.

I'm probably gonna go. I'll probably have so much fun, but then I have to be, I have to leave for the airport at 4am. And then I just see my parents tomorrow. And then like, I promised I'd go with them on a hike. I can't believe that I'm sitting here with two friends two good friends who i am excited to have a nice best friends i was off

who i was excited to have a night with tonight and each of you have like excuses for why you may not go tonight i don't understand and honestly i'm furious i livid. I'm grateful for our guests who gave me a voice, the courage to say maybe I might not go. The courage to say no. Front runner for title event. The courage to say no. No, I'll go. Good.

What do you want to do? But before we get, before we, well, let's bring our guest into this because I do want to ask you what you hope to happen tonight. What I hope to happen is to share in good times. Okay. And can I say. And that's all?

Yeah, to share in good times. Okay. I love our guest. Oh, I love our guest. A lot. And the thing about our guest is that Joel, so now I'm in Los Angeles for indefinitely. Yeah. And so.

You fully embedded as an LA gay. Sure. So basically Joel said to me, he's like, I'm so excited for you to become friends with Brandon. And I was like,

you're putting this person up on a high perch. And then met, we have obviously known each other, but we truly became, I feel like he's my sister. And maybe he doesn't feel

that way I'm saying it, but he's my sister now because we had a't feel that way. I'm saying it. But he's my sister now. Because we had a lovely weekend for Joel's birthday. And I love him. This is a beautiful sorority. Between you two. In the Greek sense, soror. You guys are sisters.

Kappa kappa solei. Kappa kappa solei. I hate that. Oh my god. I hated saying that. I opened up a box of Pockys and you were just flitting around the room, just waving your wrists around

and you just said, Pocky Slay! And we laughed because that's the dumbest sequence of words. This is our third podcast recording of the day and I said, and I do believe this is coming true, I was like,

by the time we're done talking so much today, it will not be words. It will be merely sounds and like gay slang from three years ago. But anyway. Okay, so you expect, you hope for good times. I hope for good

times. And I feel that if our guests were present tonight, the good times would definitely happen. And him not being there, I'm like concerned. You know what? This is what I have to remember. I might not see, I will see you relatively soon within the next week.

But you won't see me. But I won't see you and Joel. And I, of course, could famously die at any time. You could famously die at any time. Just to have this group of people in the same place is rare and we should celebrate that.

I think that you should, I think that you're speaking my language. And among these people that I love and cherish so much, whether or not he shows up to the party tonight, and it sounds like he's not, but it's our guest, and I really do love him so much. And also hosts a monthly show.

It's called The Cure. The Cure. You can see it at UCB Franklin. However, sometimes they do a little special one. They just celebrated their one-year anniversary of the show at Dynasty Typewriter. Ooh. This episode will come out after that, unfortunately.

This guest is a staple. A staple. An entertainment staple. Entertainment staple. And he's one of the stars of Bonding, which comes out on Netflix on April 24th, which is literally today.

Is today Wednesday, April 24th? Wow! It's today, mama. Please welcome into your ears, Brendan Scannell. Wow, hi guys. Hi. How are you? Listen, did I shame you into coming?

I think the drama of like, will I come or will I won't come is so, it's part of it. You know, it's like part of the appeal of the party is like, I'm not gonna go. I'll go. And then there's like the excitement of like, I came. The questions hanging in the air.

Right. You know what will happen? Are they going to come? Yeah. Is who going to come? Just they. They. Are they going to come?

And the thing is like, you know what will happen now if and when you do show up. Everyone will cheer. Right. You create like a little bit of a question. And then when you show up, everyone's like, I didn't know you were coming. You're going to mythologize yourself right and iconicize yourself and the reason i reason i was so ultra excited about you coming tonight is because you know joel is texting us right now joel can booster he's texting us about the dress code for the event and he goes usually the only one

that turns a full look is brendan uh well i really this party. It's my favorite one of the type that it's in. It's in part run by this fabulous queen, Jamie Jones, and they always turn to something so fantastic, so I love walking into this space and being like,

I am trying to pay homage to you. Yeah. And I think the theme is blue tonight. The theme is blue. We just got word the theme is slutty and blue. Right. And I think the theme is blue tonight. The theme is blue. We just got word the theme is slutty and blue. Right. I didn't really have anything,

but I have a costume rack at my house. Right. Of course. Well, some people just have the access. Like any, what?

Just really up on the mic. He wants you up on the mic. Eat the mic. Sorry. Eat the mic. I'm sorry. I'm still new to podcasting. I find the whole thing to be very anxiety-inducing.

Oh, why? Don't even. Because you really go on the record for so much and like hours and hours of material. And you kind of feel like, what if I accidentally say something that way down the line really messes with my life? Well, how do you think we feel? Well, right. I mean, you have like 3000 hours of, and when you try to do something one time, some,

but he's going to go through every single one of those and be like in 2013, you know? Yeah. That happened. I don't, another thing that happens too is like when you do podcasts and people, when you do a podcast and people know you from it, you then get asked to do other podcasts.

And sometimes it's not always, your flavor is not always the flavor. It's actually RealCulture number 18. Sometimes your flavor is not always the flavor. Okay. Please join in. You got it. And then it just becomes fractals and fractals of audio.

Fractals. Was it a word before Frozen? Do y'all get recognized a lot? Yeah. 200 times a week. A couple times a week. Like when I'm with Joel in queer spaces, like he's so famous.

It's like fantastic. It's fun. Do you experience that as well? You know, I feel like. Sorry, I really turned the table. No, I actually have the same. That's my podcasting I fully have the same question for you

because I feel that you are like this emerging sort of icon she's trying she's trying and succeeding I get people really nicely being like oh I you know you're great

like love the pod stuff it's mostly love the pod love the pod and then I'm like thank you and then the thing is whenever anyone comes up and says love the pod i'm like oh they know every fucking detail of my life because i have like you said it all and that makes me feel like like about your relationships and your boyfriends and your sex life and your yeah what you do for

fun i mean they they know it down If they really listen to the podcast, like they say, like you can find out every time not to be so terrifying. It's like my biggest kind of that I do stand up and it's like, now that I'm doing it in larger platforms, it's like very scared to be known. I suppose it's really nice to be like an unknown entity and you're like, everyone's cheering for me.

But then the minute you do something people are like also you suck oh god no well the thing is like I will say this

it got to it's gotten to a certain point where like and that this is I realized like I host this other podcast called What The Tuck you guys have been

I was a guest on it but you were not the host I was not the host at the time I now am people are intense about Drag Race. They're really vicious. People have feelings. Monsters.

They're really vicious. And it's interesting when somebody makes a comment about you as a person. Because I'm not on here playing a part. Right. It's not like you're doing a sketch comedy show and everyone's like, I didn't think that was that funny. It's like you're not funny. You talk too much, and your voice has a weird nasal sound.

And you're like, everything you just said makes me feel empty and seen. Yeah, and very seen. There's nothing to take cover behind. You're just like, oh yeah, you just got to me. And if you were curious about whether or not those things you thought about you were weird, they'll confirm them. Here's the thing that I'm coming up against,

and I can't tell if it's a good or a bad thing, but a couple of guys that I've dated have been like, they've pointed it out independently, they've been like, because they don't know each other, but they're like, we,

no, I find, we have met, we have met, no, they're like, I've like, they're like, I've noticed this disparity between things that I know about you. I know so much about you because I've listened to the podcast. I happen to have listened to the podcast.

And for one guy, he didn't start listening until after we hooked up. And then another guy, we hooked up because he was a fan. And I kind of remember about that. But then both of them point out that there's this disparity between things that they know about me and that I have to learn about them. Or there's just this thing where it's like they have such a leg up, quote unquote. And I'm like, well, I don't mind. Because on the one hand, it's like I don't have control over what I choose to reveal or share with someone. But then on the other, it's like, well, at least i don't have to think about doing the work anyway

and it's like they are talking to me because they are interested in some capacity yeah so i don't know it's it's weird it's weird um but i feel like it's neither here nor there because I don't know we're still just like we're still just like shitty human beings yeah we're shitty human beings I guess that's what scares me like people that are like listen to the pod see ya like you know what I mean it's like okay so now I know I'm like gonna be completely undateable

uh no are you dating a lot me I had a boyfriend last year um who was great but we're no longer together but we met when I was in New York actually I shot this show called Bonding and that was the first time I did

I don't think so I don't think so with writer Doyle with writer yes written and directed by and I met him when I

was shooting there I love I feel like in New York I like meet guys there's so many more guys who do so many different types of things like

I really and also do you have like out of town energy yeah when you're like in town and you're just there

for a moment you can create this like allure mystique yeah basically we had like this whirlwind like love affair while I just there for a moment, you can create this like allure. It's a mystique. Yeah. Yes. Basically we had like this whirlwind, like love affair while I was there for this month.

And then we, um, you know, it kept extending it. Right. I feel like out of town energy is fun. Right. It's wonderful.

So fun. Cause you can like wear your good clothes. No stakes. Yeah. No stakes. Well, that my thing was, I thought I was going to be here for like a month and a half.

You ruined everything. So you burned through all your content. Finds out I'm going to be here for five, and it's like, whoops. Is that the longest you will have been in LA? Yeah. So now I'm thinking of, now I'm thinking about whether or not I'll stay.

And you famously did, I don't think so, honey, about New Yorkers talking about how they don't like LA and I remember it distinctly and I don't remember every single one because I was like yeah that is annoying and also like there's nothing wrong with LA it's just an adjustment

and I do like it here I think the biggest thing is like so many people they'll come visit and they'll be like I just don't know like I just don't know if I'm ready to move here and it's like we don't care I mean. I just don't know if I'm ready to move here. And it's like, we don't care. Yeah, we don't give a shit. I mean, you I care about, but people you run into at parties or bars,

you end up talking to. As a stock conversation, it's like, holy shit. It's like we're really out of things to talk about. I know, I know. And yet here we are talking about it. Well, that's because it's a thing in my life presently. I'm actually thinking about doing a swap swap. I keep telling all my,

I do this thing where I tell people I'm doing things with the hope that then I will do them. So I've been telling people that I'm going to move to New York. So eventually wait with the end game of you being in New York. Yeah, I think so. Wait, but you hate it. No, you don't. You don't hate it.

You don't want to hear. I really like change. Like I like, I'm cool. I'm eccentric. I'm not afraid of change. I'm like so many other people. Adventurous. I don't know.

I feel like probably the same fatigue people feel in any city they're in. And I really liked it when I was shooting there. And I've never spent more than like five weeks there. So that, that, that to me confounds me because I feel like you are a New York energy. Okay. And let's, how do you, how do you respond to me saying that? Oh, um, I, I don't know. I went to school in Chicago, which is like little New York and, um, but also has like a way different energy of because people are nice. Yeah, that's true. It's nicer, cleaner, and cheaper until it's not. Yeah.

And when is it not? Chicago? Why are you trying to bait me? I'm not. I see you, bitch. You're not that smart. You walked right into that. Yeah, no, but I didn't.

Long Island. He tried to push me into it. Oh, my God. You're from Colorado, right? Colorado. Good memory. Wait, and you, right? Colorado. Good memory. Wait, and you are from? Indiana.

Indiana. A little corn. See, we actually have tons of Mewches. Really? Mm-hmm. From Indiana? No, from like Northwestern. Oh yeah.

I didn't know that you were friends with Nicole Silverberg from college. I love Nicole. Yeah, I did improv with her for four years. Wow. Puma Mama was our team name. What was it? Puma Mama. Puma Mama. Puma Mama. Was it Titanic Players? Titanic Players, yeah, I did improv with her for four years. Wow. Puma Mama was our team name. What was it? Puma Mama.

Puma Mama. Puma Mama. Was it Titanic Players? Titanic Players, yeah. They were like the ones to beat. Were you like an improv boy? I was an improv boy, yeah. I was actually very like bro-y in college.

I never had guy friends like all growing up. Basically all through high school I had like a harem of like 13 nerdy girls in me. You know, Hannah, Laura, Laurel, Arpita. Oh my God. Sonia. These fucking nerds. And they were all great.

And like basic, I just had a dream about Hannah recently. I'm thinking of you, girl. And so I didn't really have girlfriend or didn't have guy friends and then I got to college and found all these kind of like bro-y comedy guys who like, you know, didn't care that I was gay

and obviously, but you know, from the area I'm from, you kind of never know with guys and so I became like a beer pong champion basically. We had the same experience pretty much. Yeah. Well, I didn't put, I feel like a beer pong champion, basically. We had the same experience, pretty much. Yeah. Well, I didn't put you, I feel like you put on your mask.

Well, I put, I had a mask drag on fully. And then we both were in college in sketch groups that were predominantly straight men. And there is that thing of like, you do, like you're gay and they don't care that you're gay. And they accept you, but you're also and they don't care that you're gay and they, they accept you, but you're also not being fully completely yourself. When you're in those situations, typically you're like also writing to a voice that isn't necessarily yours unless you're like a transcendent,

like self-assured writer comedian, which I don't, I wasn't really. And, but I, I still, I love those boys still. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I wasn't really. Um, and, uh, but I, I still, I love those boys still. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I always like love hanging out with them again, but it is funny. Like I

look at my work from that time and I'll be like, this doesn't feel like me. I wasn't writing for myself at all. Like the videos that are online and YouTube, I'm like, Oh my God, I wish this could come down. You know, you can bring it down. I know, but the thing is... All it takes is an email. It's not like that person's like, no, I like having that up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is it that's stopping me from taking my bro sketches down? I don't know. Literally, it's what

Brennan would say. You don't want to lose the views? Honestly, yeah. What if I was really worried about the views? It's really in your bio that you're collecting total views. I'm like chess club comedies. My sketch group is called Chess Club Comedy. Can you talk about, can you specifically name some chess club sketches that you would like to take down? Yeah, Ice Breakers. Remember Ice Breakers?

Yep, I remember Ice Breakers. I had this sketch called, you were in Ice Breakers. I was in the sequel to Ice Breakers. Oh my God, because there was a sequel. I did a web series called Ice Breakers about a college RA. NYU sounds so fun. Yeah. You know, I almost went there.

NYU is so fun. NYU?, I almost went there. NYU? I almost went to Tisch. What stopped you? To School of the Arts. What stopped you? I was afraid of the city. My mom and I visited, and she was like, why would you ever want to live here? And I was like, real. I get it. I get that, though. I get that. It is...

What year would you have graduated? 2013. Oh, so we would have all went together. Were you 2013? We were 2012. Okay, cool. Yeah, just a little bit older. Your eyes lit up, bitch. You would love that we were older than you.

I think I might be older. I went to three years of preschool because I was quite dumb. Three years of preschool? What was holding you back? I don't know. You couldn't color?

I think my mom was just like, give him one more. Give him one more. Have you guys read that Malcolm Gladwell book, Outliers? Yes. God, sorry to be exhausting. No, please.

But there's this one anecdote in it about hockey players who are better at hockey if they are born in January through March. Because the cutoff, they're bigger. And so most hockey players in the NHL are born in those first three months. They're Pisces. Most hockey players in the NHL are born in those first three months. They're Pisces. Most hockey players in the NHL are Pisces. I think my mom was like trying to like give me some sort of advantage. Sure. Yeah.

Wow. So she was glad about it. I'm 1990. You're 1990. Same. Wait, what month of 1990? June. Oh, yeah.

So you are older than me. You're actually older than, I'm the oldest here. Wow. I'm the eldest sister. What shall we do, sister? I'm the Joe here. Wow. I'm the eldest sister. What shall we do, sister? I'm the Joe. The women? You know, I just heard Hocus Pocus 2 is happening.

Wait, is it? Okay, they keep saying it's happening. But it is? Every year. I can't give you any more information because I was given the download information. Oh, you were given the download information. That's all I'll say. Just be prepared.

Okay, here's a question I have. I won't answer any more questions. He won't. Well, I'll ask one question. And then if you feel like answering it, go on. He won't do it. Is it happening with women? It's not going to happen with men.

Three male, three gay men witches. Here's who it's going to be. It's going to be Sylvester Stallone. It's us. It's us. We can reveal. It's Sylvester Stallone as Winnie. I have a couple of gays in my life who are like, also, I'm a witch.

And I'm like, no, you're not. Or are you just like trying to be interesting? God. Just kidding. We love them. I think it's maybe like an LA thing. There's very like, there's witchery in the air. Oh, there's a lot of male witches in New York too.

And just genuine witches in New York. I believe, not to work in the binary, but I believe the male witches are called druids. And so you should call, these little gay boys should be calling themselves druids. Well, maybe they don't identify as male. Yeah. You're so right.

You kind of never know. And I think this is the sound sound bite that will take me down this is me as well and well no they can't do that to you because you are iconically on the red carpet in full gowns oh yes uh that's what i was and i was like i was fully obsessed with that was that like the heather's press moment yeah that was um yeah it was just kind of like trying to live in that kind of, I don't know. Fantasy? That space. Confidence I was feeling in my body and what I was wearing.

And I think that in terms of most of the clothes I wear are tailored to women. women um but um i think i had never really had somebody like pull clothing for me that made me feel like femme and beautiful and in that way and you know so many times when you're like walking through a store and you're in the women's section somebody's giving you eyes like actually it's over there yeah and you're like fuck you like no one yeah so it's like but i'm getting better at like walking into a store and being like you know i'm trying the gown on and it's for me. I did that in Tokyo and a woman was like, uh-huh. Oh my God, they just had an iconic Tokyo trip. I know.

It was fun. I got really sick though and I lost five pounds. What? Okay, so it was ultimately fine. It was fun. I came back, my roommate, Leisha, was like, you look sick. And you're like, thank you. Well, you got sick just right in the middle of it, probably.

Yeah, I got really sick in the middle of it. Damn. Well, there's always soul. We'll always have soul. We'll always have soul. So you were playing, so you were in Heathers, the TV reboot. Yes. Is there any way people can watch it?

Critically acclaimed. Critically acclaimed. By one writer. You can watch it on iTunes or on ParamountNetwork.com. The whole thing? Yeah. If you have cable, you can just sign in with your little login. In America, you can watch the first nine episodes.

And then if you're overseas, which I imagine you have fans, you can watch the first nine episodes. And then if you're in overseas, which I imagine you have fans, you can watch typically the whole thing. So you can't see the whole thing in America? Yeah, there's like some school shooting-related material in it. And so it was kind of pulled from the air, iconically, three different times in six months. Three different times. I know.

It was kind of like, I mean, I've been through a lot of therapy since then. I feel really good about it. But in the moment, I was like, fool me once. Oh, God.

So it was, I mean, I remember it was like such a big deal when it got announced. And I would imagine that they really i mean it had to be so frustrating i know that's like really simple it's just so complicated i think for me like i i never like associate i was almost naive to it because like my character

heather duke in it is like basically on like her own journey and like just trying to take down these other, take down Heather Chandler. So all of our scenes are very like, you know, funny and farcical. And meanwhile, there's like this whole other JD subplot that I was only vaguely aware of because table reads, I was only focused on my own laughs but I think that like looking back on it it was like it was so

fun to shoot and Leslie Hedlund directed a bunch of it a Russian doll and yeah I kind of think it's great but yeah you kind of have to now you have to be like a little you know squirrel gay and go find it great. But yeah, you kind of have to, now you have to be like a little,

you know, squirrel gay and go find it. Yeah. Because it was not wide released. But it is out there. It's out there, yeah. Which I didn't know.

Which like, and I swear to God, I don't mean for this to sound like, however it can be misinterpreted, but I feel like, it kind of gives it this like, niche cult following quality, where it like, well, go find it. Because now with just unfettered access

to anything you fucking want, there's some intrigue to seeking it out. It's kind of like Brendan Skinnell coming to a party. It's like, now there's no mythology about it and you have to go find it. And you'll be cheering when you watch it. A kind of funny thing happened to me. I was walking down Larchmont in LA and a guy behind me just yelled,

like I walked by and he goes, Hey, Hey, aren't you the actor from that show with all the problems? That's amazing. Yes, I was. Oh my God.

Okay. You're going gonna all the problems all the problems I mean honestly it that's going in the it was so fucked up it's fucked up

that's that but that story's going in the book it was kind of awesome it's awesome it's going in the book and that's I will say at most

a lot of times like if I'm in like a gay bar or in like a space with a lot of gay people or queer people someone will come up to me and be like I loved Heathers.

Or I was in my gym and this guy goes, were you in Heathers? And I was like, yeah. And he was like, fuck the haters. I loved it. And I was like, that's what I needed. The haters weren't really the problem. Do you ever feel like you,

well, I did this, I kind of did it and then it kind of came out and I felt like nobody saw it. But it's like the people who did it and then it kind of came out and I felt like nobody saw it but it's like the people who did see it saw it in secret and I do really appreciate everyone who comes up to me

it's really nice to hear there you go so there was you guys you were also on Lip Sync Battle which I lost

wait you lost that? I lost I lost to Melanie Field who plays Heather Chandler they flew in a plus size body body positive dance group from Atlanta

who truly destroyed my very basic take on Mamma Mia. I was like, it's Mamma Mia. I'm wearing a wedding dress. Tear the wedding dress. And to reveal another wedding dress, tear that one away. To reveal high-waisted pants and a crop top that says bride.

Was that all your creation? It basically came to me in a dream. My friend, so Jared and I were, Jared Frieder and I were sitting in my, I found out I was doing

it on a Thursday or on a Wednesday and then on Thursday I had a call basically to pitch my ideas and I, we, Jared and I like

walked around my house just like pitching things like he was like you should do telephone because that's my favorite Lady Gaga song and and then it was like I have to do Mamma Mia it has to be my wedding and I have to have this moment where I'm tearing

away these wedding dresses and then I pitched that to them and they were like we love it we're gonna go out to Liza Minnelli to marry you and I was like what? and they called her people and but of course she didn't do it I don't think she's taking gigs right now I don't think she's standing

I think she's horizontal somewhere and that's fine have you seen that video of her outside Craigs where the TMZ's guy is like Liza I hear you've lost your voice. And she's like, says who? And he's like, well, you know, people are saying you might not be singing anymore. Can you

give us a little something to prove them wrong? And she's like, Dale! Me say Dale! Dale, I come and me wanna go home. And the headline on TMZ was watch video, watch Liza prove that she can still sing. It's like my favorite video.

And then she goes, he goes, he's like, thank you, Liza. He's like, clearly they know each other. Sometimes these photographers know the people. They've got a relationship. Right. And he goes, thank you so much, Liza. Like, have a great night. And she's like, thank you.

Thank you for caring. Thank you for caring. Thank you for caring. Thank you for caring. That's so like from her heart. That's from her core. She's like my one. She is.

She's my one. Yeah. She, I mean, she's incredible. Her birthday was recently. Yeah. She is truly,

I mean, yeah, it's, and what is your, how do you square, how do you sit with like the, the, the way that her image has like,

what her image has become now where it's like, sometimes it's like she's a punchline and it's like, well, she deserves better than that in my opinion. It's like, well, are we just bad gay people to like totally like point and laugh at like emperors, emperor with no clothes on? It's a thing we do with people, iconic women as they age. Right. I don't know. Maybe I don't hear those things or maybe people know I love her so much they don't punchline her to me because all I hear

is just like she's the best she's amazing she gets it she gets it she also might really not get it in a way that gets it that's what it is

okay see yeah because like it's her whole her whole fucking HSN thing it's like yeah wait what was that

the home shopping network the home shopping she was like she's selling things on the home shopping network and then she's taking calls people are like well L? Oh, she was like, she was selling things on the home shopping network. And then she's taking calls. People are like, well,

Liza, like some woman was like, Liza, I love you so much. Um, I love you. You're, and you've really been my mentor through all the years.

And then Liza just goes, Oh, thank you so much, darling. You're my mentor too. You're my mentor too. You're my mentor too. She's got this interview on, um, David Letterman where he's like, my mentor too. You're my mentor too. You're my mentor too.

She's got this interview on David Letterman where he's like, I don't even know if she's promoting anything, but he just clearly loved her and he's just like, so you just had a birthday, right? And she's like, yes, I had my birthday. And he's like, did you have a party? She's like, I did. I had a party in New York. My friends in London threw me a party and I had a party

in Paris. I had parties all over the world. And that's like how I want my birthday to be when I'm of that age. Just be like, I had a party in Paris. I had a party in London. A party in New York. Parties all over the world. International parties.

Oh my God. Unbelievable. All of it is a little aspirin. Not all of it, but it's like, that is how, as a queer person, you want to age. It's just to still be, also like,

like, sumptuous. Yeah, and also, she can do anything, and you have to fucking just understand, like, that woman is a survivor.

Like, her mother was Judy Garland, who was the most beleaguered, like, entertainment, figure, probably the most, figure of all time.

Yeah, like, and then maybe the most famous person of all time. And then maybe the most famous person of all time. Right. Exactly. I mean, and for her to like, that was her mother.

That was who she like was patterned after. And then for that same industry to eat her and then chew her up and spit her out and she still kind of like, you know, was there at the end of all of it. Yeah. Yeah. And she's still out there talking to fucking TMZ. Well, it's like that old, like, you know, women there at the end of all of it. Yeah, yeah. And she's still out there talking to fucking TMZ. Well, it's like that old, like, you know,

women torch song, like, I'm still here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm back, and I just, like, eat that shit up. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's why, like, I'm going to say something controversial. Go. Like, Hamilton's not for me.

Right, because it's- Because Hamilton's not for me. Right. Because there's not enough women of a certain age singing about how time has passed them by. Yep. I need that as well. That's what I'm looking for in every musical is just like, well, here I go again. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

And it kind of doesn't have any of that. It's like a lot. I don't know why I'm attacking a musical. No, no. For me, the number one best far and away best moment of the whole show is burn like the seat oh my god when she's like and also that's so well written and it's such like a i just love a ballad like that like i need that that scorned like woman being like fuck you but. But also I am heartbroken and devastated and I'm dealing with my rage right

now in this moment in real time. Just like that last line, I hope that you burn like that to me was like, I wish this was more of the show. Like I really was so interested in like what all I do is watch the women in the show, especially cause they're like, you know,

they have this kind of like feminist undertones of like, and I'm going to talk to Thomas Jefferson and say he should add women to it. And I'm like, seven more songs of the three of you, please. 100%. What's Uptown like? Yeah. Tell me more about Uptown. How do you feel about it?

Also, the other two songs I love are obviously Help, Listen to Satisfy because you see both sides of it. I just thought that was genius. It's also staged. Did you see it? I've are obviously Help, Listen to Satisfy because you see both sides of it. I just thought that was genius. It's also staged. Did you see it? I've seen it twice. Yeah. So not for you, but you've seen it twice. That's right. Well, I love musicals. Yes. Well, but you can still be critical of something that you've seen

absolutely. And I've seen it once and I just couldn't believe the staging of Satisfy. I was like, whoa. But it's true. It really came alive for me in the moments when the women were the focus in a big way. Okay. Well,

we're talking about culture. I think we, I think we asked Brendan the question. I mean, he may have answered it, but if he has another answer, I would, I'd love to hear it.

Um, we ask what is the culture that made you say culture was for you, the pop culture, um, that made you become who you are and you can trace it back and you're like, ah, that's, that's where I come from? I feel like for me, I grew up in Chicago

and then we moved to Indiana when I was like six. And the most important culture of my childhood was Michael Jordan's Bulls. Wow. And because of that, Dennis Rodman was really important to me with like his hair and wearing the wedding dress. Still working through that in my work. And because it was like I had Bulls themed birthday party for the first three years,

like four, five, and six of my life. I was just obsessed with basketball and the theatricality of it. I think it's our best sport in terms of fashion. And narratives? Narratives are so good and where the players come from. So Basketball Wives will be my next credit. Yes. Come on. Like every time I have a meeting with like my agents or

managers and we go through like the laundry list at the very end they're like anything else and I'm like I would love to do something with basketball and they're like okay next. So you're still a basketball fan? Yeah I still watch a lot of basketball really

yeah Brendan I think this is absolutely something you should do I know something basketball do you ball do you yourself ball

absolutely not did you ever I did but I never really played if you started I can see you being like an unbelievable point guard

oh yeah I mean you're telling me if you started a queer basketball league that would be the hugest fucking deal. I'll play.

I'll be the power forward. Not for any public not for any like image or optics or whatever reason it's just like like the women's comedy

basketball league out here but for queers. But for queers. I'm sure there I mean there are like sports queers. Yeah like

but it's like the volleyball and rugby. Who are the sports queers that you know? Well, the only sports queer that I talk to very secretively about basketball is Sam Greisman. Oh, he's a sports queer? He's a big basketball fan. Wow. I think the two of us just like want somebody to dunk on us. Right.

But that's how like we connect. We're just like, did you watch LeBron? Oh, wow. Oh my God. There shouldn't be a whisper network around queer. I think it's like,

right. I mean, I think it's because everyone's talking about drag race, which I also love. And then we kind of pull each other aside and we're like, they're not going to make the playoffs. Yeah. I think for,

for us, I think it has to do with the fact that you being from, you know, Chicago and from Indiana, which is like such a like basketball state. Yeah. And also the bulls were like the bulls, whereas like I'm from long Island. And so for us, I don't know about for you, but our sport that the world revolves around was baseball because of the Yankees. Yankees. Right. It was, I hate baseball. Yeah, and I really don't care for basketball. But I think it's because I genuinely feel like who really cared about the Knicks at that time?

I think a lot of people, but the Bulls, that was like a thing. Because Michael Jordan. Yeah. And was Space Jam like peak life for you? Space Jam is insane. It's like all of culture watched it all nonstop, basically. Yeah. Identified as Babs from the very young age.

Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like also that sports culture type thing is like such a way to like talk to your dad when you're like not necessarily connecting on a lot of other ways. For sure. Like my dad and I now mostly connect through like television shows. Like he'll like text me shows that he's watching that he really likes. Um, uh,

and, um, I don't know. That was like our language. That's great. I mean, that is like, I can,

I can, I can do that. I mean, my dad was a varsity sports coach. Like he was football, baseball. He never made me play football, but football's dangerous.

And I think I subconscious, he subconsciously always has known that because he never, and I mean never, pushed me to play football. He would take me out in the yard and we'd throw the baseball around and I would hit off the tee and I got into baseball and was genuinely into it for many, many years. But I recently asked him, I was like,

why did you never throw the football around with me? And he was like, why did you never, um, throw the football around with me? And he was like, well, you never showed an interest. I'm like, I never showed a natural interest in baseball either. You just showed it to me. And I think I sort of got him to admit, cause he kind of said, he was like, well, I don't think that anyone under the age of 10 should be playing it at all. And I was like, because it's dangerous.

And he was like, and of course there's all like the stuff with like, you know, the CT, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, like people's brains are fucking melting in their skulls. Um,

but I was like, because it was dangerous to him. And he was like, I mean, I guess you showed no interest in it. I mean, I was always really small, like even,

um, just like minute little person. So there was, I could never like play sports, but I could appreciate them. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh.

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I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Got it. Right. I'm pretty good at volleyball, actually. Like, I, with my now ex, who I was dating last year, we,, we went to the British Virgin Islands last year

with a bunch of his friends on this trip they had been planning that I kind of hopped onto. And we were on an island playing beach volleyball and I schooled a bunch of strangers. And they started calling me the ringer. The ringer! Were they straight, these people? Straight people, yeah.

Oh, that's a fantasy narrative. Honestly, that porn is called The Ringer. I was also very drunk off of... They're called painkillers. What is that? It's a cocktail in the Virgin Islands. What was in it? Like all of the rum.

It's always rum. It's like rum and then you feel horrible forever. Honestly, remember when rum was something you opted to drink all the time? Yeah. Did you drink Captain Morgan in high school? Always. What was that? It was the Bush year drink.

It was little Jenna Bush drinking Captain Morgan. She did it. That was why I did it. I saw Jenna Bush doing it. Right. Or Malibu. Yeah, drink a lot of Malibu. Malibu was like soda.

It was so much sugar. I remember just drinking like Malibu and Coke and it was just so, so, so sweet. But like I remember before Sweet Sixteens, we would pregame with Captain and Coke. Like Captain Morgan and Coke. And it was just like taking them to the face so that we were nice and toasty for these Sweet Sixteens. To roll around on a dirty dance floor. I used to get drunk in my parents, not my parents, my friend's basement,

because she had parents who were very laissez-faire. one time they had to tie me to a pole with duct tape, basically, so that I wouldn't go up and talk to their parents. Wow. What? Because I was really into, I love moms and so,

and her mom, Carol, is like sort of an icon. So I was always just trying to be like, what's Carol up to? And they're like, Brendan, you can't go upstairs.

So they duct taped me to a pole in an unfinished basement. They withheld you from moms. From moms, yeah. That's psychotic. That's the queerest thing. But that is how drunk you would get.

That is how drunk you would get. Like, I remember my friend Nick, we were drinking at my house one time on New Year's Eve, and my friend Nick got so drunk, and he was like the kid that always talked to the parents. And he went in there and was fully, had a full conversation with my parents, and I could see he was visibly drunk.

Yeah, and your parents were like, we know you're wasted. They fully knew. Like, looking back, I was like, unless my parents are fucking idiots, they knew. visibly drunk yeah and your parents were like we know you're wasted they fully knew like looking back i was like unless my parents are fucking idiots they they knew but i remember like him coming back and they didn't say anything to me and i was like in the clear right like but getting that drunk and then you mentioned that you became a beer pong person in college yes that was my whole high school experience gross flip cup was great too. That was great though. Yeah.

Now it's like, I really don't really play those games. Well, of course, but it's like, I was going to ask like, like in what environment would you have to like resurface those skills again? I guess like you could break it out at like a pregame party here at like a house. Yeah.

Well, the house you're probably going to tonight, they occasionally play. They occasionally play beer pong? Um, flip cup. Well, the house you're probably going to tonight, they occasionally play. They occasionally play beer pong? Flip cup. Because flip cup is the queer version of that. It's like our game. Yeah, I just don't really drink beer

anymore. Is that because of the belly? I don't want my belly to... The caloric content? I feel like now I'm becoming conscious of the calories in beer that it kind of makes you puffy it's all bread

it's not my thing I fucking love craft beer I feel like I got so exhausted Chicago is such a beer city I think I anticipated I would turn 21 and get really into IPAs and stuff and now it's like, Oh,

sorry. Just so, so much flavor, too much flavor. Oh, IPAs. I got, was really into in the beginning too.

And I would have them on dates cause they got me drunk and then I would like make moves. But now that I'm a little bit older and my tolerance isn't like super low, I'll drink an IPA and just feel exhausted. They are so happy. There's so much alcohol in them. Yeah. I need like a IPA and just feel exhausted. They are so happy. There's so much alcohol in them. Yeah, I need like a Diet Coke. Yeah.

Do you guys go on a lot of dates? Are you dating? Sort of. Sort of. It's in a weird place where it's like things are sunsetting and there have been false starts

and stops and I think all my prospects are like... So you're going to get new prospects. New prospects. I'm just on Hinge for the first time in years. You were talking about Hinge. So Hinge used to be like a kind of regular old... I'm a Hinge rep.

I'm on Hinge right now. And I'm loving it. I'm telling... I tried Chappie, not my bag. Tinder's no. Tinder's like a deathly crawl space. And I'm loving it. I'm telling, I tried Chappie, not my bag. Chappie, yeah. Tinder, no. Tinder's like a deathly crawl space. Yeah.

And Hinge is where it's at. Okay, now explain. What's so great about Hinge? Talk about Hinge. It's fun. You create this profile that isn't swipable. It's like people immediately see two or three of your photos and a couple, they have prompts and you just answer them. And I find like, I find it way more easy to like see a potential person and be like, oh, like this person seems cool, which is like so much of swiping just feels like I got the match and now I'd never want to talk to you.

You know, there's like a certain like game of it in your brain. And, um, so I'm, I'm liking this new take. Yeah. I like a gamified dating app. I,

I'm dating, but I, I'm liking kind of not using the apps to date. Like I'll, I'll, especially now that I'm in a new city, I'm also new, right?

I'm meeting new people. And so it's easy to kind of like, well, this is something I'm finding recently is like you meet someone and it's like, you decide in the first like hour, whether you're friends or whether it's like a romantic prospect. And so interestingly enough,

like Joel has talked to me about that too. I kind of disagree with that theory. You think that things can grow into something else organically. I find that like, I kind of love like friends into boyfriends. I really love that too. Because then I'm like, I know you and like you. It's very one-hitting about Sally.

But I feel like, I don't know, I came out here and Joel was like, this will be your group of friends. And I was like, great. That means you can't fuck any of us. Well, right. Whose rule is that? Yours. It's in my own brain. You're right. I could fuck each and every person in the group.

And I will. Tonight! is that? Yours. It's in my own brain. You're right. I could fuck each and every person in the group. And I will. Tonight! No. But it's just interesting. It's really the reverse, where it's like, you'll go on a date with someone, and then the date will be great, because they're a great person. And maybe you'll even hook up. And then the second date will also be great, because they're still that same great person.

And maybe you'll even hook up again. And then all of a sudden this thing creeps in where it's like, oh, now we've established that we're like heading in this direction and I feel that it's harder to go from that to friends. And it's also like, and that's the thing I'm realizing about dating again as I'm starting to do it more actively for the first time.

Since my relationship ended a couple years ago, like I dipped in and out, but now I'm starting to do it more actively for the first time, since my relationship ended a couple years ago, like I dipped in and out, but now I'm trying. It's like, oh, remembering that feelings are at stake, even though you really like the person. I just don't. Wait, what do you mean feelings are at stake? Because after two or three dates, everyone's. You know what I mean?

It's like after two or three dates, it's like, I could really like the person, but just not feel it in that way. And no matter what, that's always going to suck to hear, you know, it's always going to be on either side of it. It's like, yeah. I mean, I feel like you can, if you're trying to maybe make that transition to friends, you don't have to be like, Hey, I think we should be friends. Even though I've literally said that to somebody recently and don't follow your own advice is my advice. Um, but, um, you know, sometimes it just

takes like three or four months of like not really seeing that person. And then you see them again and you're like, Hey, we're like friends now. Yeah. Honestly, that did happen to someone I was dating. Um, and I was confused because like we started hanging out again at more as friends and I, one night like made a move and he was like, no, no, like we're friends now. I'm in a different place than I was.

And I was like, right, right, right. I have to like remind myself of this. I feel like I'm like becoming more and more in my adult life. I like totally okay with that type of rejection. I feel like it's like wherever people are,

you kind of have to meet them at it and I don't know the last thing you want to do is try to force something yeah because then forget it then you can't like but then there are stories of people being like you know I just kept texting him and now we're married

usually the stories are straight men being like I just wouldn't leave her alone wore her down. And you see her and she's like, yeah. Well, I'm kind of like, that's how it happened. I'm kind of like, who's trying to wear me down? Yeah. I don't want it.

But the thing with gay shit is. The thing with gay. The thing with gay is that there is this, I was talking to Matt Whitaker about this. I am so wise. He's the best. A seer. The seer.

He was like, it is this Schrodinger's cat kind of situation where it's like you don't know. It's like you don't know what it is until you just open the box and see whether or not the cat is dead. Yeah. And it's like you don't know if the thing is. Like the box being closed is you guys just assuming you're friends and then it just takes one person to be like what is it yeah that's scary that's the impossible it's scary but it's

scary why because of the rejection the rejection because now it is scary but then do you just yeah but then if if you're like brendan like that doesn't really phase you then i mean it's getting it's phasing me less, I think. Yeah, less. You know, you still have that thing of like, ah, I kind of made myself vulnerable, but also, I don't know. It's also good to be vulnerable.

I was telling a mutual friend of all of us. Brene Brown, hello, honey. Hey. I don't get it. What Brene? Brene Brown is this. Brene Brown? You know, she's like the power of vulnerability.

She's like a, a self-help guru for like moms who have never been to therapy. You got to make yourself vulnerable and it's okay. This power and vulnerable. I should ask my friend Kathy what I need. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

And asking for help and you know, that's beautiful. And I actually was, I was telling a friend of ours who's going through a situation right now where he feels self-conscious of making himself vulnerable. And I was like, you should never feel bad about that or never feel embarrassed. No, that's a win. Yeah, exactly. And then at the end of the day, you are – you have advanced yourself and you become – you get to know yourself even better by doing that.

And I always think like that was the, I think why it took me so long to date again is because my relationship towards the end was so painful and it hurt so much for it to end. And we've all been through varying degrees of this, that it's like, why ever do that again? And I think it took me so long to degrees of this that it's like why ever do that again and I think it took me so long to start dating again because it's like I don't want to

put myself through something hard but that's literally life and you do get better as a result of doing that. If we had watched like another 30 minutes of The Star Is Born after she would have met somebody Exactly. So true. On Never Love Again and then afterwards somebody would have been like you're such a great singer and she would have been like

do you think so? Yeah. Specifically her. Right. Yeah. Do you think so? And they'd be like, yeah, why don't you come over? And she would have been like, we're dating.

Yeah, she is. Honestly, she became that girl as the movie went on because the script fell apart. Oh. I love that movie. I do too. I love that movie. It's special. But I understand why people have problems with it.

Yeah. We are problems with it. But it's, yeah. We are knowing about it. With musicals, I don't have at all a critical eye outside of Hamilton, I guess. As long as it's like a woman at the center singing. If you give her a moment like I'll never love again, sure, I can see why that's like not right. But I will cry. I was weeping. I also feel like I have some friends who were like,

I just hate that. I didn't care about him and like I didn't like him and I feel like I talked to my mom afterwards and she was like, I saw so many men I know in him

and I'm like, that's like a kind of important to remember like audience wise. Like, you know, you can't hate every straight. They haven't.

They're not the ones who bully. He's Jackson Maine didn't bully you. Right. I also really don't like this thing of like, because it's a straight white man, we have to hate it. No. Like they exist. That's actually just, that's lazier than anything else. It's so lazy.

And also like, not for nothing, but you're're not gonna get much of a like that bradley cooper is a queer ally because he gave lady gaga the moment to do that and we got to enjoy it all year long yeah like i'm a little tapped out on gaga for now in this era yeah like i feel like the star is born gaga era was a beautiful era of the Gaga story and I really enjoyed it but I am happy it's over because it was getting to critical mass but he allowed us

to have that. He gave that to us. He totally gave it to us. I really love Joanne era Gaga and I'm kind of like definitely on the wrong minority opinion.

We love the Joanne era Gaga. I love Joanne. I love Grigio Girls. I just read this. Grigio Girls is so good. You guys work with Vulture. I read some article and it was 70,

it was her 73rd best song and I was like, this person does not understand. They don't get it. They shouldn't have written that. Definitely top 30. Yes. Someone ranked.

Top five? Top five for me. Actually, I can read you my top gagas because I was literally just. Yeah, let's do this. Oh my God. This is how you know

we have a fucking Judy in the studio is that he's got a list of top Gaga songs in his notes. Literally texting my friend Sam Fishel who is a straight guy.

Oh. But he loves Gaga. And we love him. He's great. What else is going on while I find it? I mean, you say your Gaga's.

You say your top five Gaga's. Oh, okay. Not in order. Right, okay. I mean, I was just gonna say. You say your gagas. You say your top five gagas. Oh, okay. Not in order. Right, okay. Okay. I'm gonna say, oh, actually, no. My number one,

number one, number one, number one is Edge of Glory. Edge of Glory. I love Edge of Glory. It's amazing. More than Bad Romance. Okay, I keep going. Slightly.

Edge of Glory, Grisha Girls is up there. I'm gonna say, ooh, um, um, um ooh um um um um um

um so happy I could die so happy I could die wow that is a deep cut uh cause it's just like it's a pure like it's like a

it's like a fun little like drug high where you're just like I like to give one from every era yeah okay and then that's how you best represent totally totally

so what am I missing art pop oh art pop um you know the one. Venus. Venus. And from the fame, let's see.

The fame, it's got to be. I know mine. Paparazzi. I was going to say paparazzi. For me, it's paparazzi, bad bad romance which i think is one of the best pop songs ever yeah um i would say yeah edge of glory shallow and i would say and i would say i'm like a ballad queen so i would say million reasons okay i think million reasons is epic and i love that it was performed on the fucking Super Bowl when she did that on the Super Bowl

I was like this is a fucking pop ballad she was like I'm doing Joanne I love it probably mine are Edge of Glory I love Telephone I love UNI

I love applause applause is great and it's a grower and I love Judas I was going to say Judas is in my honorable option in Berlin at a club called Schwoos and she had four backup dancers

and she was rolled out in a groceries cart and covered in like paper and popped out of it at like three in the morning it was the best drag performance I've ever seen. And she did Judas. Her wig flew off and she snatched it out of the air and put it back on her head. The funniest thing ever happened in my lift the other night. So he turns to me and he goes, do you like music?

And I said, yes, I do. He said, do you want to hear my favorite song? And I said, yes, I do. And I'm just going to play what he put on. Okay, so literally, actually, let's act this out. So I'm the driver of the car. Careful about the accent. No, I'm not going to do an accent.

And you don't need to tell me. I've walked this ground. I've walked this bridge before. Unless it's a funny European accent. Yes. I think you can do like something fun. Something,

you can do something Slavic. We can make fun of Russians. Yes. That's basically a big thing we can still do. Yeah, totally. Matt has grown a lot. Matt has grown a lot.

So, literally, he goes, so Bowen, you be me. Hi, Matt. Hi, yes, of course. Hi. Okay.

Do you like music? I'm sorry, do you have a charger? Oh, no. Okay. Android? Oh, no. iPhone 6. Android. iPhone 6 with a fucked up screen. Do you have a charger for that?

No, Android only. Okay. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, I love music. Do you want to hear my favorite song? Yes. This is my favorite song. I love that.

Oh! He played Shallow? Yes. And I was literally like I was dying because it was and he goes I love Lady Gaga

and I was like I do too he's like do you know this song I was like did you sing it together yes yes we did

who played Jackson we both sang every word to both parts and I was like you should have been like I'll take I'll take Jackson so you can be Gaga. Honestly,

and he was like, I love this movie. Did you see this movie? I was like, I did. I did see it. He's like, did you like it?

I was like, I loved it. As this is playing. And I was like, it's so funny to me that he decided like, like the reveal of what his favorite song was.

I thought it was gonna be some deep cut. It was literally the biggest song of the year. Do you guys ever like, have a gay, I assume, that man might not be gay, I don't know, what his favorite song was. I thought it was going to be some deep cut. It was literally the biggest song of the year. Do you guys ever like have a gay, that man might not be gay,

I don't know, but it's kind of revealed over time. That he's gay. In like a few short sentences you find out somebody is a queer person driving you

and you're like, oh thank God. Whether it's like a gay guy, lesbian, etc. I always feel better about that but also that fucks with me because I'm like a hoe and I think to myself, am I going to hook up with this person? Whenever I meet or hear about someone that's gay, I'm like cetera. I always feel better about that, but also that fucks with me because I'm like a hoe and I think to myself,

am I going to hook up with this person? Whenever I meet or hear about someone that's gay, I'm like, will I fuck them? Yeah. Really? Yeah, I'm like sicko. My driver last night was 1,000% gay because he was blasting Mariah and J-Lo

and all this stuff. And I was like, great. And I did my move when I'm in LA because I just do not want to talk. You're like, here's my IMDB no no no oh my god yeah high maintenance

high maintenance John Glazer loves gear and he was like no no no don't check it now because it's going to be so much better in a year I go

no I I was my LA move and he left his I'm sorry can I put my headphones on for work for work

it's a work thing I have to ignore you for work I don't want to explain and they i have to ignore you for work i just i don't want to explain and they're and they're always like yeah sure i'm not like that i i if if they choose that to have a conversation we're having one for uh i don't know i just can't gamble on 42 minutes of conversation oh it's a long one yeah yeah yeah so i was just like what work could you have listening to a podcast i was honestly it could be you don't honestly I was like doing homework on like someone's like comedy album and like, and just like, just like doing that and like.

Right. And so wasn't fully lying. I once had a driver who I got in the car and he was in a full like, kind of like, it almost looked like a wetsuit. Like he was like, you know, kind of like one of those like fit, straight white guys who is in like full athleisure but leggings. And he was just like, hey, what's up, man? My name's Jonathan, but you can call me Liam.

I was like, what? How is that possible? He was trying to start a conversation. And then he was like, you live around here? And I was like, yeah. And this was in West Hollywood during my WeHo days. And he was like, nice. Yeah, yeah.

I live in like wherever. But I'm kind of looking for like a crash pad around here. And I was like, what? And he was like, well, I got a wife and a kid. And I'm thinking of maybe getting like, you know, a spot of my own. What? What are you talking about? Also, this was an Uber pool.

And we picked up another person and then a a you know a couple so there were five of us in the car just like all bounded together i think it was the last uber pool i ever took wow wow yeah i don't fuck with uber pool no i don't either because which is a privilege to say but the thing is like the saving of a few dollars because that's really what it amounts to isn't worth going out of your way to pick up someone else, I think. No. There was a while when it first started where you could maybe not get picked. You would now pick someone else up.

But now, that time, I was like, there are four, five people in this tiny little car, and I can't do this again. Yeah, no. It's just too high risk, especially on a weekend night when people could be getting in there and they're drunk. Sure. Like I've had Uber drivers tell me that they've driven Uber pool, Uber pool and like full fights have broken out on the back. In fact, they,

they, they did that on different parties. Yeah. Between two different people. Like I remember on insecure, like, um, I believe someone was smoking in the back of the car and like another

person wasn't. And then they got into a fight and that happens all the time. I think cause Issa drives Uber on insecure or lyft or whatever but um i i saw that and i was like oh my god that would be crazy if that happened and then i was talking to a lyft driver one time because he initiated a conversation and i was on board because i'm too weak and he was saying like people yeah they're people um but like he was saying that he had seen and had to stop several physical fights in the back of his Lyft. Wow. Which to me is, and also that's their car.

That's another psychotic thing about it. It's like you're stepping into someone else's domain. How dare you be anything else than like mom. Yeah. Do you guys say what you do to people yeah lately I do because I can say

something more concrete I won't say that I'll usually just say I have a podcast and that usually like either fully kills it

kills it if you don't want to hear about it or they're like me too will you be on mine yeah yeah I always get really self conscious about saying

I'm a comedian because that people always like are like what like positive or negative because i think saying i'm a comedian means that i think i'm funny right whereas well and so now the other day i like surprised myself um when someone asked what do you do and i I was like, oh, I can say I write for TV. You know what I mean? I was like, wow, I can say that now. And now it's like, you know, I have something concrete to say that doesn't sound presumptuous about myself. It's just the facts. Them's just the facts.

Them's the facts. I was going to say that I'll say, usually the first thing that happens when you say, when you lead with I'm a comedian, is they'll say, wow, do you know Blaine? Do you know Gabriel Iglesias' work? And I'm like, I don't.

I'm sorry. You know, he has his own parking spot at Staples Center. Wow. Because it's fluffy on it. Whoa. How do you know that? Because I've seen it.

Okay. I've taken a photo with it. That's beautiful. It was empty when I walked by it, but I do have a full photo of me, you know, doing the old peace sign. Right, right, right. The old peace sign.

They always ask if you know, like, the biggest straight comedians. Like, do you know, like, Bill Burr? And I'm like, I do know. I know of him. I know Bill Burr. Right. Right.

And then it just stops there. And then it just stops there, because what else is there? What else is there? I'm going to be like, yes, I do know Bill Burr. I find him to be misogynist. Sometimes I just say I work in marketing. And it's just kind of, just I work in marketing.

Yeah. And that stops it? Because it's like, what is marketing? They're just like, brands. And you've tapped into something so perfectly vague. Right. They just, they just lose interest.

Well, what happens if you say like, I'm an actor, they'll go like anything I may have seen. And for me, it's like, no, truly you have not seen it.

So then I have to explain like, I was on this show that got canceled and then it's sad. And then, and then they, right. And then they have to know what to do with that. The thing is, I'm usually like, I don't need you to

support me, even though it is nice for you to say, you know, it is hard out here. I forget that a lot of people listen to podcasts in their car and watch like a Lyft driver listening to this like, I'm learning a lot about not to open my mouth at all. Oh no, if you drive a Lyft, please open conversations, please open conversations.

Please start conversations. We love that. I think it's time. I think it might be time. I think it might be time to move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. It is our segment in which we take one minute to rail against something in culture that's just getting our goat.

It's making us mad, and it needs to be railed against. Yes. And Brendan Scannell has done several I Don't Think So, Honeys. Brendan's an expert in the form so um i think we'll go in the classic order yeah i'll go first okay great so this is matt rogers's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey queer i um i

don't care anymore it has lost what was special about it for me because i feel that the current cast has become too um self-aware or they've become like, they've created monsters. And I think that's what happens with very sudden fame. And I, I have met a cop, one of them. Yeah.

And I, I think this person is kind, but like, I don't know. I haven't heard the best things about like what's happening with them personally from good sources. And it's just like, I don't think so,

honey, this idea of like, I don't think they know why we really like them. You go on one of their Instagrams and it's clear that it's like thirst trap central. And it's like, I don't think that's why we really like you, babe. I think we like you because of like, you know, sorry, Anthony,

but like the stupid goofy faces you make when something gets said. I liked you because you were goofy and you're trying to be sexy and sweet so I don't think so honey queer I I would like a new cast I think they should all go on to different projects I think I would like them more Karamo be a psychologist Bobby get a design show Anthony

be a model that's what you want to do Jonathan go ahead do your comedy tours live podcast and who's the last one Bobby Bobby oh tan keep dressing you and that's the last one? Bobby, Bobby. Oh, tan, tan. Keep dressing. And that's one minute. I mean, have we reached queer eye fatigue?

That's interesting. I have. I mean, I'm not excited at all about this season because I feel like they never went away. The thing about shows when they come back is it's like, I'm excited to see the cast again because I miss them. Whereas the queer eyes are so ubiquitous all the time.

Do you follow them on Instagram? I think I need to unfollow them because that's where they're ubiquitous. Really, it's Instagram culture that I'm, I don't think so, honey, because I think that's what's twisted them all. Sure, sure. They're all trying to become moguls and buy houses,

which is their right, but part of that is doing Instagram in a really intense way. Yeah, branch branding down. They're all coming up. Like all of their books are dropping the same time. Or at least they're all promoting. Like Karamo and Tans came out with it. And I wrote all of them.

And Brendan was the ghostwriter. Thank you for doing that. So what was the difference between writing them all? What was the most difficult one to write? Well, I spent six months with each of them. I actually don't. Yeah. I haven't really watched it. Yeah of them. I actually don't – yeah. I haven't really watched it.

Yeah, no. I haven't watched it. I have a tough time with just like men who don't get it trying to be taught to get it. I kind of want them – but I think by choosing to be on the show, they're typically like I feel like I need to try to get it. Sure. And that's a good thing. Well, I think what Matt is trying, and it's really emotional too. And sometimes with that type of emotional reality TV,

I have a hard time, but you never know what you're going to get either. You're going to be either be bowled over by emotion or so fucking bored. Well, there's no in between. I think what Matt's saying too, is that I think they started out getting it. Well,

yeah, because they were just doing the show. And I think the first season of the show was special because it was like a nice twist on the form that we all knew. And I think that they were all doing the show and i think the first season of the show was special because it was like a nice um twist on the form that we all knew and i think that they were all just being themselves and trying to do a good job and then when they became that famous overnight i think they couldn't see themselves anymore and i think people like of course when someone is as attractive as anthony like they're gonna get a lot of attention from people because of that. And I think, unfortunately,

he got a little confused and thinks, this is what's worthy about me and this is what people like about me. So his Instagram is entirely thirst traps. And I think that's a little sad because I actually don't like him for that reason. You like him for his rest? Of course I can see him.

But I actually liked that he seemed like invested in the people and looked like a good friend and I like the goofy faces he makes when he's like flustered and they're not necessarily hot faces and it's like the disease you see with anyone on Instagram where you meet them in person and think oh amazing

and then go to their Instagram and it's like just pictures of them shirtless like looking like not a person um that's like a disconnect i'm seeing specifically with him and all of them to certain degrees well also when people get famous they get hot and when they're gay right you get fit it's like part of it is like you get you're like oh i have money and so my culture is teaching me to have a trainer and of course and you kind of like lose like think a little bit of your um i don't know your your everyman your outsider-ness yeah which i um sure but i love what uh jonathan like does on carpets i think that that's like pretty yeah

kind of fantastic and also um you know he's a tall man hard to find fashion that you can pull off it as a short person who you know has the body type of kind of like a 50-year-old woman who does yoga, I do have a relative amount of privilege in terms of walking into a store and being like, ah, this jumpsuit fits me. And so it requires a lot more care on his behalf. But you know what? Someone listening right now can just level the same fucking thing against maybe.

I mean, we're nowhere near as famous as they are, but I've gotten people saying like, wow, Bowen's really, all Bowen talks about is SoulCycle. Reviews being like, wow. Who cares? People are like, they're really losing touch. And I'm like, what?

No one has ever said that. No, there's- I truly don't care about what people are saying. Oh. And I learned that the hard way because I really cared. And then all of a sudden, everyone said really mean stuff. And then I was like, you know what? I don't care anymore.

Oh, yeah. You have to make the decision. That's the power of therapy. Especially like, you know, they really, I mean, they list. The thing about the people that give negative reviews is like, well, you listen the whole time and keep listening and wrote a review. I just did a Comedy Central stand-up featuring digital set. Thank you.

And I made the mistake of just scrolling down for a second. And actually, when I did Lip Sync Battle, I managed to not read a single comment because I expected them all to be like this sucks and also who is he because I

literally had no television credits when I did that and everybody on stage was like he's nice who is he Chrissy Teigen was like

is this my PA oh my god that's Kyle that's Kyle from That's Kyle from... And when you scrolled down, what happened? On the Comedy Central thing? Somebody just wrote, so bland. And I was like, huh, I am kind of bland.

No. See, that's the thing you were talking about before. You can't do it. Can't, can't, can't. Okay. But anyway, what I mean to say about them is it's like, I feel like it's kind of reached critical critical mass and I'm not sure if I, I don't know,

haven't watched the third season, but I'm wondering if they can still do it at the level they did it. Like with the kind of ego that they must have now. I hope that they all buy houses, you know, invest in property. I wish the best for them. Use the moment.

I say this out of really concern for them because I don't think it could have been easy. And I just, I like, I probably would have completely buckled under. Oh, completely. I mean,

like they had like probably what? 4,000 Instagram followers one night and then 2 million the next like that. Their fame was crazy. Yeah. But anyway, um, this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so,

honey. His time starts now. I don't think so. Honey chocolate. I've never cared for you. What? Truly. I think I've finally come into honey chocolate I've never cared for you what? truly I think I've finally come

into this I've settled into this place I have a a solid foothold on this as my identity wow chocolate's bad um

you know every now and then I'll pop a little Ferrero Rocher in my mouth hell I even wrote a whole play with my good friend Matt Rogers about chocolate

about chocolatiers but as as a concept it's like I can't believe that I can't believe that, I can't believe that we've gotten to a place where we're like okay

with like there being like luxury brands around this, you know? It's like, who cares? It's a goddamn piece of brown,

30 seconds, brown doo-doo. Yep. You know what? You can't, sometimes it looks like poop and that is my big hangup with it too.

It's like, if it looks like poop, it's not going in my with it too. It's like, if it looks like poop, it's not going in my mouth. 15 seconds. Not to shame any fecal folks out there, but you know, I'm not that bitch and I've never been a bitch for chocolate and every Valentine's Day, I'm very confused that this industry

is truly getting away with highway robbery because of our obsession with conformity. And that's one minute. I'm not a chocolate fan either. I love candy. Yes, I love candy. Really? I love cookies.

Oh! Cookies! But even, no. Chocolate chip cookies. You and I are oatmeal raisin bitches. Ooh, I don't love a raisin in a baked good. Well, you're wrong. Like a raisin bread.

Well, you're racist. Yeah, I just don't really do it. I would always rather have a chocolate chip cookie. I loved, it's nothing against chocolate chip cookies. It's just that they're so often pitted against one another. Yes. And I have to go with oatmeal raisin. And that makes me, and you Bowen, revolutionary.

Revolutionary. But everyone has this crazy hard on for chocolates. And it's culturally been this thing where it's like, ah, my vice, chocolate. It's like, no. It's like a thing that like ladies say when they're like, ah, my vice, chocolate. It's like, no. It's like a thing that ladies say when they're like, I'm a character. Oh, you whip chocolate out? Honey!

I'm saying this like a full caricature of a gay man, but just know I'm trying to be a middle-aged woman. Honey, don't even let me near that chocolate. Whose thing is chocolate? Oh, Aunt Susan, after dinner comes dessert, and that means we're going to hear it about chocolate. But, you know, like, oh, Aunt Susan, like, oh, after dinner comes dessert, and that means we're going to hear it about chocolate. But we love that for Aunt Susan. Actually, I took a 305 fitness class in L.A. with a very good friend.

You're already different. I'm already different. No, it was sweet, but, you know, it was like me and all white women, and it was lovely, and we were just dancing, twerking to Meghan Trainor, and I thought, it's so easy to make fun of this. Dancing, twerking to Meghan Trainor. I was like,

it's so easy to make fun of this, but just, I mean, there's a place for it in this world, and it's fine, and there's no need to like, take it down, and like,

no need to take it down. Also, you're already there, and you've already paid for it. Exactly. I can't poke holes in it, but maybe, whatever, I'm just like, betraying my own, I don't think're already there and you've already paid for it. Exactly. I can't poke holes in it. But maybe, whatever. I'm just like betraying my own I Don't Think So name because maybe there's a place for chocolate.

Who knows? Maybe there's a place for chocolate. Okay, this is Brendan. Brendan, are you ready? I think so, yeah. This might be like, I don't know. We'll see. I haven't really prepared it, but it's something I thought of.

I love everything about this intro. This is perfect. This is Brendan Skinnell's I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I Don't Think So so honey people with social anxiety like I'm truly it's hard for all I feel like people are like sorry I'm a little anxious

like I have social anxiety I can't go out it's difficult for all of us it's like read a book by Emily Post go to Cotillion if you have a difficult time in conversation,

turn the conversation on to the other person. Ask questions. You can, so if you're feeling anxious, say, what did you do today? 30 seconds. You can say stuff like,

did your parents vote for Trump? Like, just changing the subject and feeling like it isn't this whole big thing where everyone's looking at you all the time. All you have to do is talk and maybe have. 15 seconds.

Watch television. Ask people if they have seen those types of things. Yes. I think this social anxiety is preventing people from going out. It's creating this inside culture of like, I love being inside. And I'm like, there's art out there and people to be met and beautiful experiences to be had. And that's one minute. Thank you. That was beautiful. to be had. And that's one minute. Thank you.

That was beautiful. Well, it's beautifully constructed. That was gorgeous. And also I came to LA with a certain amount of social anxiety. And now I'm looking back and I'm like, why? Why? I was just holding myself back. The city also lets you be crazy.

I'm six years into it. And I walked into a jewelry store the other day and I was like, hi, like I'm looking to make a custom earring and went fully down the line with this woman where we were like picking the size and she was like I'm gonna text the jeweler she's also a marine biologist so she might be

at sea and I was like well yeah go ahead you have my number and then she called me like two hours later and she was like she can't do it and I was like you know what I'll it. And I was like, you know what? I'll be in another time. And fully psychotic. And then you hung up the phone and were like,

wow, I just was, I've been underwater for three hours. I've been in this distortion field of nonsense. You can just be very kooky. And like, you know, those people who you,

I used to be like, you were at a grocery store and someone would be like, are they out of almonds? And you'd be like, I don't know. And now I'm like, you know, those people who used to be like you were at a grocery store and someone would be like, are they out of almonds? And you'd be like, I don't know. And now I'm like, they might be. Should we ask? Oh, my God. That doesn't happen in New York. I also am not working right now.

So I'm like, just like I take in day trips, go spending a long time at the Americana. God, the things mall go to the Grove ah it's lovely I don't know I'm so basic and I love the Grove so gorgeous so gorgeous

I love going into vintage stores and getting the phone number of the person who owns it giving them my sizes and being like if you ever have anything like this

in my size just text me and do they text do they ever do that all the time I have like six different people who text me. I never buy anything.

I go into Fred Siegel, which is a really expensive store, and a woman there will occasionally send me a photo of a high heel. Wow. But the thing is about you is if you walked into my star and gave me your number and said text

me if there's stuff that I need, I would text you because I do feel that you're iconic. Like, and I feel like your energy and everything. I've people remember you. Yeah. Yeah. You're,

you're not, you're not, you are a star. Thank you. You guys are so kind. Um, God. And what is star E episode?

A star. I don't know. I don't know. When is this going to come out? When do you want it to come out? Um, I've got this Netflix show called Bonding coming out in April. April when?

Do you know? It hasn't been announced, but it's in April. Written and directed by Ryder Doyle. And I'm really trying to get people to watch that. It's like this kind of labor of love. It was made by this French company called Black Pills and it was going to be on their weird streaming site and

then Netflix saw it and I won't say weird because they're all very nice. I think I meant French. And Netflix bought it and is putting it on Netflix as is, kind of in the way like when people say Netflix buys everything, I'm like well, you're attacking me.

But I really love it. I played the assistant to a dominatrix and the dominatrix is this actress Zoe Levin and it's just basically about our friendship and our work relationship and it's I think it's very fun and sweet. That's beautiful. Oh, I can't wait. If you're listening,

please catch Brendan in Bonding. Stream Bonding. Yeah, please. That'll be fun. I felt like when Heathers was coming out, I had difficulty asking people to watch it because there was so much money behind it where it felt very like, I don't know,

sorry for being in your feed about so much, but now this is like a project where we did it really like flying by the seat of our pants shoestring shoestring no budget and it made me feel

fall in love with the art again oh I love that please watch it that's great I can't wait to watch it tweet it and Instagram it I would really appreciate it

you know we will icon star friend fellow party goer tonight yeah I'll see you there yeah right alright this was a very fun episode thank you Brendan and we are now going to end friend, fellow party goer tonight. Yeah, I'll see you there. Yeah, right. Alright, this was a very fun episode. Thank you, Brendan.

And we are now going to end with a song. Pocky slay. Pocky slay. Pocky slay. Pocky slay. Pocky slay. Come on. Pocky slay. The dulcet tones of the Pocky Slay, come on. Pocky Slay. The dulcet tones of the Pocky Girls.

You're giving me a million reasons to let you go. You're giving me a million reasons to get the show. Giving me a million reasons. Giving me a million reasons. Giving me a million reasons. For the rest of that song, stream the album. Joanne. Joanne. Joanne.

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