Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "thankyousomuchmama" (w/ Jan Sport)

Episode Date: August 25, 2021

Not this. But actually? AbsoLUTELY this! Bow & Matt are joined by the one true legend Jan Sport to discuss recent hurricane drama, RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 6, seeing yourself edited into a reality TV character, Fire Island, receiving adulation from your elders, and what we miss and don't miss about Broadway. Also! After Jan won this year's Rusical as Gaga...the girls have a full on Gaga moment. They talk the many *faces* and *eras* of Gaga. Namely, Jan's formative culture: the "Paparazzi" performance from the 2009 VMAs. Also!! How "Venus" did not get the credit. Also!!! How the year 2010 was the era when the pop girls were really and truly girling. All this, Gaga and Beyonce's impacts on each other, what we expect from House of Gucci and the filmography of Ridley Scott (should we trust him with the doll?), a moment of Vonzell Solomon appreciation, what it felt like to see Laganja Estranja leap out onto the main stage as the lipsync assassin against the incredible Trinity K. Bonet and this question: Shouldn't there be a MIss Congeniality Broadway musical? If there's a Broadway musical of everything else? This episode? Canon. Jan? Sport. Las? Cultch. You're? Welcome! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong.

Las Culturistas calling. I have to catch up because Bowen just said I was this generation's Whoopi Goldberg. Well, we, just for context, one of us said,

don't go, I think. And then Matt said, that's what Whoopi said to Sherri Shepherd the day after Obama got elected. Okay. History lesson. Here we go.

To the girls. It's 2008. Was this in the Lady C was this in the ladies who punch no so this is just this is just you from the annals of my from the anals of my memory yes so is it anals annals annals but anals works in this what are you to say anals of my memory that works i don't know my words but i do know my heart it's been a long time since we said that and it's been a long time since whoopi goldberg said, don't go right now to Sherri Shepherd, who was overcome with emotion the day after Election

Day 2008, we all remember it, when Obama was, oh, I wipe away until you're elected, and Sherri said, Sherri Shepherd was on the fence about who to vote for until she got into the booth. This is famous context for remembering. That's right. She didn't know which way she was going. Flat-earther icon

Sherri Shepherd did not know who to vote for between John McCain and Barack Obama. So then in the booth, she was overcome with emotion and she realized she had to vote for Obama because she wanted to be able to say to Jeffrey, her son, and her son's name is Jeffrey. And it's something that I do remember as well. She wanted to say no limitations. And she started to cry. And Whoopi reached over and grabbed her hand and said, don't go. Don't go right now. Don't go right now. Don't go right now. I almost mis and said don't go don't go right now don't go right now don't go right now i almost misquoted and said don't go yet don't go right don't go right now and she said nope i know i know i'm being strong i voted for obama uh and i

just want to say that like matt rogers is our general no whoopi goldberg who are you have that effect like if you were if you were in the movie Ghost, you would have been the person to deliver all those iconic lines. You think I would have stole the film? I think you would have stolen the film when it won the Oscar. I think that's huge.

EGOT potential, you think? For you? Oh, I'm not even joking. Yes, EGOT potential for Matt Rogers. I'm not kidding. You're my greatest friend on Earth. You're my greatest friend on Earth. To say that about me?

You, readers, get yourself a friend who says you have EGOT potential. Especially when it's true. And I'm sure a lot of readers out there have EGOT potential. But you need a friend who will affirm that in you. Literally, we're not bringing the guest in just yet. But the guest does have EGOT potential. The guest absolutely has EGOT potential. And it has to be said.

Unquestionably so. There's no question. There's no question. Which makes it unquestionable. There are no boundaries, no limitations. No boundaries as who said? Chris? Chris Allen.

Chris Allen said? There are no boundaries. There are no boundaries. Who was flat? Who was on the note? Don't know. For you to decide. And I think this is a perfect way to bring the guest in.

Well, it actually is. And while we've sort of rocketed through the opening of the episode. I know. This is record time. We're really kind of just closing the gap on the opening. You want to know why? What? I think we're excited.

We're so excited. I think we're so excited for several reasons. We're in a studio together in a new setting. In a new setting. Talk about the colors. The colors are very red. Very iHeart. We're at the iHeartRadio

sort of building next to where else? Carnegie Hall. Where else? Carnegie Hall. You know who I thought of as I walked past Carnegie Hall? The Three Busy Debras. Three Busy Debras, of course. Judy Garland, of course. But also Margaret Cho. Margaret.

I was like, God. Notorious CHO. Iconic. I can't believe that was there that was at Carnegie Hall right that was the Carnegie Hall show or I mean she probably stomped the boards

at Carnegie Hall many times of course as so many talents have like Three Busy Debras and Judy Garland the canon the canon of that the pantheon

you know who could perform at Carnegie Hall our guest our guest our guest let's guest. Our guest. Let's talk about our guest. What's that? What?

I mean, here's the thing. Talk about Icon. Talk about a long time coming on the pod. A long time coming on the pod. One of those guests where you're like, I guess she's listening. You know? Like, I guess I better be careful. I gotta watch what I say.

Not because I... Just because I'm like, oh, people of this caliber are listening to the show. That's the thing. It's like when you find out, the guest reached out and said, I listened to the pod.

I was floored. That's like, what are you doing? And now I'm like, okay, so now influencers, people in the community who are moving and shaking,

cultural icons are listening to the pod. It's like, I better watch what I say about say Sherri Shepherd. Maybe she listens. It's not even, this is an icon on the Sherri Shepherd level. I didn't, that's why I caught myself earlier. It wasn't It's like, I better watch what I say about, say, Sherri Shepherd. Maybe she listens. This is an icon on the Sherri Shepherd level. That's why I caught

myself earlier. It wasn't me being like, I better watch what I say in terms of disparaging people. I'm saying in terms of the tone that I set. You want this to be like a classy pod. Not even in terms of respectability. I mean in terms of

we have to consider the audience sometimes. And the audience comprises of our guests. By the same token, we do drag some of the girls. We famously say with Drag Race, we have strong opinions and could never ever do what they do. And that I think gives us the freedom to sort of say, didn't love that, didn't love this. That's a healthy thing for anybody who does not do drag,

who watches that show, who has strong opinions about those people. You must have some awareness around the fact that you can never do what they do. Yeah, first admit

that you, in the eyes of God, are horse shit. Yeah. And don't deserve to actually breathe the same air as them. And then drag. And speaking of God,

I mean, to quote a famous, a wise person, Brooke Ashley, we have called them everything but a child of God. Can we first of all say my contra points is the Brooke Ashley. She's the number one Housewives recapper in the world. She's not number one. Yes, she is. She is not number one.

Because she always puts on something cute. She always puts a bottle of wine on ice next to her. She's my favorite Housewives recapper, but she's not the number. Her numbers are like, are decent. We want to get those numbers up, of course.

But you cannot come out here and say that she's like the top, sort of the top Housewives recapper. We wish it were so. No, but she's on her way. She's on her way. And I will comment on her YouTube videos. It's the only YouTube channel I comment on

because I watch them and they're glorious. And she has some iconic catchphrases. Like, this person is crazier than a soup sandwich. Which I think that is. That's really good. Because what's crazier than a soup sandwich? Nothing. Except maybe Ramona Singer.

Except maybe Ramona. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy ass. And she says, after everything, but I digress. And then she begins every recap with,

we do not have a minute to spare. Brooke Ashley, please check her out. Okay, sorry. I just wanted to, that was, we digressed right there.

We digressed. She does have merch. She does have merch. I'm getting a coffee mug that says, but I digress. Our guest is someone who we've been honored

to have at the live shows. Do I don't think so? And perform and perform. Um, she, I think is, is, is one of my favorite girls.

One of my favorite dolls. Also, I always kind of famously iconically make up that I was there the first night she ever did drag. I think I was there early on at lady Liberty when she was sort of solely doing Kris Jenner. And then I think I've made up over time. It's like, you know, when a lie grows. Apocryphal. What's that?

It's like an origin story that is so wild that it can't possibly be true. Sort of like Atlantis. Atlantis. Absolutely. It's like the story of Atlantis. Absolutely. Like you find a little shell on the ground and you pick it up and you say Atlantis. Atlantis. Absolutely. It's like the story of Atlantis. Absolutely. Like you find a little shell on the ground and you pick it up and you say Atlantis. Atlantis.

Apocryphal. Apocryphal. Apocryphal. Would you say? I would say so. Our guest is an iconic queen that you may know from RuPaul's Drag Race and RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars Not For Nothing. Not For Nothing.

I believe the seasons were 12 and All Stars 6. Correct. Recently wrapped the journey on All Stars 6. And we're here to get takes. And we're here to get elaborations. Well, insights. Whatever she wants to share. Yeah, I don't care.

She could be like, we're not talking about that. And I would respect, and my penis would go in my body. And she is someone who I think is competitive for a lot of categories at the Lost Culture Research Culture Awards. She actually is a frontrunner for many categories. Especially for the biggest award of the night. Came on the Bitch Mad as Hell. The Christina Award,

which the readers have, the publicists, sorry, have now, the frontrunner for the Christina Award should be... Jan. Oh my God, I'm so sorry. We'll cut that out. Okay.

No, it's fine. Our guest, welcome... Jan Sport! Hello! Literally hi. That introduction, I would have thought that Dwayne The Rock Johnson was going to be on this podcast right now. Don't ever call yourself not Dwayne The Rock. I'm just like Mattis the Whoopi Goldberg of our generation.

You are the Dwayne The Rock Johnson of our generation. How do you feel about that? I feel wonderful. I'm open to it. It's 2021. What can't happen? What can't happen? What can't happen? Oh, my God. We sit here in the middle of a tempest, a storm, an iconic storm.

And guess what? They said it would be a hurricane, and she dove right into the ocean. They said one thing could happen, and something else happened. She actually came on to that bitch, Matt. That's hell. Oh, my God. And here we have Jan kind of potentially cannibalizing her own chances at winning the award by pitching another contender.

Mr. Henri. Miss Henri. I couldn't believe we were saying Henri. Well, you know. I was out here saying Henri. That's what it was, right? It was. It was Henri.

But us actually going for it and saying that it was is a different story. This is my first time hearing it out loud, and it really is unsettling. And also referring to it as Miss Henri. Miss Henri. Miss Henri. Miss Henri. And, you know, I'm kind of glad it's not a Henry, because Henry's a tough name for me. And that's all I'll say.

It can be a loaded name for me as well, depending. Depending. Wow. So we both have Henrys in our lives. Do you have any Henrys in your life we both have any henrys in your life um no there's no henrys no the name hasn't been changed for you yet no it hasn't it totally hasn't i don't think i actually have met in person as a single henry in the past like couple of years yeah that's wow well then who was the last one i couldn't even tell you well i'm saying that we did

not meet her this weekend no because A she wasn't named that and B she dove she decided to make a hard right she decided to make a hard right

and we pray for the people in New England did you have any friends that got evacuated from the FI absolutely I think we

I think we actually all know somebody who did and was affected by that I knew a dog's birthday party that got cancelled and I I don't know a dog a dog a dog i don't know i i don't know how people are coping and i'm just sending all my love and energy out thank you and thank you jan there is i read

our friend brian voss posted like he tweeted something like years ago there was another hurricane that was about to hit fire island this was like 2004 and there was a there was another hurricane that was about to hit Fire Island. This was like 2004. And there was a woman who had all of these dogs who refused to leave the island. She says, I can't have them die. And if they die, then I want to die with them. Okay, what happened? I think everyone was okay and the dogs were okay. But people on the island must, must, must do what's safest for them. Well, you know some people live on the island year-round.

Oh, I fully do. Yeah. I went to high school with some of the girls. Do we have any concept of what it's like in the cold months? Like, do we? I bet it's not fun. Like, where are they going? There's already no food to be had on the island.

No. Where are they going? I don't know. Derek, have you been on the island in the winter? Are you talking about Fire Island? Yeah, we're talking about the island of Fire. I've only been in the summer. Famously, when people most go. And why wouldn't you, Derek, have also gone in the summer island in the winter? Are you talking about Fire Island? Yeah, we're talking about the island of fire. I've only been in the summer. Famously, when people most go.

And why wouldn't you, Derek, have also gone in the summer and not the winter? It's sort of a big question. We're talking to hot engineer Derek. Yeah, so HED is here. HED. Hey, fish. You know, in the winter, the Fire Island pines doesn't have those Long Island teens to help run it. So really, is that true?

Is that true? The ecosystem falls. Totally. Well, one of the DJs that works at Peace is DJ Mike Browski. Oh, Mike Browski, we love.

We love. Lives out there and he does commute. So we, I would, I want, he seems to love it. Yeah.

And you know what? If you love it, good for you. Good for you. That's awesome. Good for you, Gorge. Hang out with the deer. Well,

it's infested. Are we going to get to the point where we I was talking to someone today where he's like I'm thinking about buying property upstate and I'm like and do like the whole like

Hudson to New York sort of like journey well let's just say I don't know about buying property on Fire Island no no no of course not

but I'm saying like it's a similar lifestyle situation where it's like you're commuting into the city you're commuting and then you're and then you're going back out to like your actual like sanctuary wherever it is I don't know I don't know that I'll ever do that you don't have to worry about that for being in LA now deuces I wow oh my god you don't live here right now I do not live here and my friends are like are you reconnecting with New York and I was like I gotta

say no wow it's like i not with henry not with the threat of henry no because guess what we're actually early on in the hurricane season already henry has sort of played with the girls oh yeah um speaking of fire island yeah when i was last there you treated us to a performance that i will remember forever oh and we spoke about it on this pod i did did. I had so much fun that day. That was like, I think, the day after I had won the Lady Gaga challenge.

Yes, it was. I was high off of life, bitch. I was like, I'm gonna go to Fire Island and do a show for the people, by the people. Yes. It was a blast.

I was happy that you were there. The pavilion was lit up. It was fun. My favorite moment of it was, there was, i was happy that you were there the pavilion was lit up it was fun and my favorite moment of it was there was jan kept describing herself as lucky and there was a woman there who this this was iconic yeah you know and she she goes this woman next to who by the way house and i were chatting them up um this woman like was in the industry somehow she was like used to be like shares manager or something literally yeah yeah like not in a like minor way like she was in the industry in an absolutely major way.

Yeah, so then Jan's taking questions and going through crushing. And then this woman goes, I just want to say something to you. You keep using the word lucky. You're not lucky. You're talented. And you worked hard. And you're fortunate. But you made your own path.

And you did that. You did that. So don't ever, I don't ever want to hear you say lucky again. And Jan's just like, thank you so much, mama. Thank you so much, baby. I received that. Yeah did that. So don't ever, I don't ever want to hear you say lucky again. And Jan's just like, thank you so much, mama. Yeah. Thank you so much, baby. I received that.

Yeah, no, I really couldn't do anything other in that moment than just like receive it because it was like a full shift. Like, you know me, I'm like very talkative, very like loud. And she was like, we're actually going to take this down.

We're stopping the show. That was the full intermission, honey. She said, this is the full stop and we're going to gather ourselves. And I'm going to gather you in the process. Right. But to be honest, it resonates. Yeah.

Anytime I think about that, I'm like, oh, I'm so grateful. I'm like, oh, no, you know what? I'm fortunate. I'm fortunate. I'm fortunate. Can't say lucky. Why? Oh, you're so lucky.

Whoa. Remember that? Well, were you trying to break out of the intermission in a way by being like thank you so much mama or was that like just her like honoring

what she was saying that was my most genuine way of saying thank you thank you mama thank you mama thank you mama I received that

yeah I received that we were cackling it was just so because the woman was next to us and we were we were literally like we turned over

like and all yeah all of y'all mouths on the floor. We really were. And I mean, same too. I was like, is this bitch for real? It was incredible.

She really fully was like, let me just tell you something that's actually going to change your life in this moment. And she, the bitch, the woman managed Cher. Jury's out on what part of her career. And there was like the life coach who was asking me what my favorite color was. Oh, I heard about this. What the best color is. And actually, we have a category, most colorful color. Wow. And it's really

hotly contested. And your answer was yellow? You were going to say purple. No, yeah, I was like, I think orange is that bitch. Yeah. In that category. And, but afterwards he was like you know i know that i didn't ask you like anything like life coach related and i was like no like you kept it light and bright and gay and gave me a color question um but i was fully he was like you know you just

need to start letting things come to you and i was like he's like you are so like good like you just had a great time here he's like let things come to you more and i was like, he's like, you are so good. You just had a great time here. He's like, let things come to you more. And I was like, this is the school for girls right now. I'm at the pavilion and I'm actually getting an education. There was a lot of teachers there that night. Oh my god, a lot of teachers.

I mean, look, I want to say something potentially stupid. But don't you guys, and this is anybody listening, when, not to be ageist, but when an older person really looks into your soul and tries to impart something onto you, I don't know if it's because I'm getting older,

but I'm like, oh my God, thank you so much for saying that. I really receive it now. Well, there's always an assumption that it's going to be poignant and useful and that is sometimes iconically in a major yeah yeah the real ones are few and far in between but when they hit they hit this woman hit the manager the sheriff's manager hit oh yeah they both hit in a major way i was like oh okay these are actually things that i will like use in my everyday life now yeah but now only on fire island every time anyone ever says anything to me i'm just gonna go thank you so much mama thank you so much mama thank you so much mama that's how it happens i

can't believe it live in the flash live in the flash so speaking of speaking of sort of um really if we're talking about the pavilion and slaying, we just watched this last episode, and this was the episode where Silky Nutmeg Ganache did win six lip syncs in a row. She sure did. I actually have to say, if there was one that I don't think she won, it was the one against you. Thanks. Heartbreaker was lip synced. And you came in ready.

I came in ready. I, I, I came in ready. I like literally could not have been more emotionally exhausted. The fact that I just walked in and was like, Hey, I'm actually going to have zero expression right now. And just save any lick of energy for this. Like Tina Knowles is there. And I'm like,

I need to focus. Tina Knowles. Did you know that it was going to be Tina on the bench? They told me a second, a single second before I walked out. It's Beyonce's mother, FYI. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's exactly how it was. Just an FYI, Tina's here.

Alright, Jan, we're going on one. I was like, okay, cool. And so, of course, my initial reaction is walking out looking absolutely furious you know just me me things um but i was really really gagged and it was a fun lip sync i saw silky with the guitar and i was just like mama i'm so thrilled that i have all these pins in this fucking hair because i got a whip for my life yeah yeah and you and i i did but it was it was fun i'm happy that i could redeem myself after

um two ill-received lip syncs on the show and and coming out here in the third way with um with with just a little heartbreaker yeah a little rock and roll and also we finally saw ru give you some goddamn credit oh can i tell you i've completely forgot that that even happened yeah and then i watched it after and i was like oh my god like that's really great like yeah that's awesome like i'm just so happy to be seen right now yeah and it's like a nice way to close the chapter like i'm i'm like i don't think i'll be going like you know who knows what the future holds but i'm like you know what if this was the last thing that was the other thing too with the lip sync i was like baby this could be the very last time that you were on this stage have fun live your life and just enjoy

because it's a dream come true yeah is is is there a feeling of actual closure now that the episode is aired yes was that the final thing that needed to seal totally totally it was like i just went through ups and downs when i was like watching the episodes this season and you know it's it's just crazy being on it because you think that it's going to be one thing and it's not but it's still great like your life completely changes and i i was just like a little down on myself i was like oh is, like, not fun to experience. I'm not having fun tonight. And I, but that, like, just seeing that, I was like, this is a great way to literally close the chapter.

And I, like, left, I literally told them, I was like, I'm actually leaving this season feeling so much more confident and happy about the prospect of my future in, like, not even in drag, but just as an artist. I'm just so happy to like leave this season feeling rejuvenated for my career

and I'm excited to see what the future holds where after season 12 I was like okay like didn't win any challenges I'm over I'm done

yeah and I'm like okay cool like I'm actually not like I'm gonna figure it out it's gonna be fine and I kind of think there's something to

it being quote unquote like condensed experience for you where like right off of 12 it out it's gonna be fine and i kind of think there's something to it being a quote-unquote like condensed experience for you were like right off of 12 relatively soon after 12 you went into you went to sex right yeah does that i feel like there is a a um a nice sort of packing of that for you where like i mean i think part of the narrative for you, Jan, is that, like, at least, like, among people who, like, get it, is that, like, this poor fucking person got, like, put through the emotional wringer in terms of, like, her identity as, like, an artist. It's, like, you were, like, undeniably talented and always like pisses the audience off in a way sometimes where it's like why isn't this being recognized in the way that like feels so so so clear did you feel that you were not did you feel that you were like in any way like like not recognized or like they

that you felt just like in any way like what the fuck totally i i just like went on season 12 being like okay like i i've anything that i've really put my mind to in drag has come to me and I've been able to meet opportunity with hard work. And I was like, that's what drag race is going to be for me. And it just wasn't. And that's, but that's okay. Like it was the biggest learning lesson of my life. Like sometimes it's just not going to go your way. And of course I feel like,

oh, wow. Like, I don't think people are understanding me or not getting me. But again, I'm like, that's just life. I'm not going to be able to literally please everyone. That was me. I grew up like a pleaser person going to like all boys Catholic school, like literally needing to be like everything for everyone. I'm like, actually, I actually don't need to do that anymore and because even if i try to do it look what happens like it's like people are still not gonna like love me but you know what's great the people who do really do and that's amazing yeah that's the best takeaway ah going in like person and traveling and stuff and like seeing these fans who come out and are just like you've helped me like learn things about myself.

You've like, it's amazing to watch you grow. Like you helped me want to start drag. I'm like, that's what it's for. Like that's, that's awesome.

Yeah. So like from a results perspective, like you did not win a challenge that first season and it almost felt like there was a narrative built in on All-Star 6 where it was like,

we're almost going to keep the wins away from Jan so that we can give her the one that narratively is going to be satisfying so that's one thing but then there's another aspect of being on a reality show which we actually talked to parvati shallow who is on survivor oh oh yeah and we talk a lot about being perceived lately like what is it like what was your experience watching them as you take a sip of water getting ready for this one uh what's it like to watch your experience watching them as you take a sip of water getting ready for this one uh what's it like to watch yourself be edited into a reality show character insane yeah insane because i'm like you just see a caricature of something and and somebody and you don't know

the ins and outs of who this person is and from, from an outsider's viewer standpoint. And then to watch myself, I'm like, okay, season 12. I was like, that's, that's pretty me.

I was like all star six. I was like, I went in being like, I'm so much more relaxed this time. Like I'm just here to have a good time. And then seeing it, I'm like, Oh wait,

actually that's not what's coming off, which is so sad. But it's like, again, it's like, it's all fine.'m just like i'm so relaxed now i'm just so i'm just here for the ride yeah yeah but i'm like the the thing about it is and honestly why i'm really shifting over to being an absolute housewife stan yeah is because

i love that they can just do the damn thing and don't have to worry too much about what other people think of them. They are there to make television and television only. Yeah. They're not competing for $100,000. They're there to make TV. Right. That's right. The objective is very clear.

But, I mean, Matt and I were talking about this literally today. We were FaceTiming. And, like, I, whatever. I'm just, like, watching myself back, like, on camera. And I'm like about this literally today. We were FaceTiming and like I, whatever. I'm just like watching myself back like on camera. And I'm like, this fucking sucks. I look crazy. Like I'm still not like, I'm still in that stage where I'm like, I am like to self-perceive is so unsettling and all this stuff. And ContraPoint, she does a whole video about cringe and how like cringe is like you not having self-awareness, meaning other people being aware

about something about you that you don't know about. That is what's the most viscerally bothersome thing. It almost feels like when you live in your body every single day, who has more control over what you are and what you do than you? And then it's like we do this sick

thing as people in the entertainment industry which is disturbed and we should probably be studied. Anyone who sick thing as people in the entertainment industry, which is disturbed. And we should probably be studied. Anyone who ever wants to be in the entertainment industry should be in a psycho lesson. Get the lab running. Get the lab running. Get the lab ready. Mama, stick the things on me.

Stick the things on me. Why don't you? Why don't you? Why don't you? But like the things, you know, the things, the patches. The electrodes. The electrodes. Thank you. Fish. Fish. So I'm just thinking like you give up the power to dictate literally what you say and

do because when you sign those contracts, and I've done it, like to be on even like game shows and stuff, like you sign away your autonomy and literally they could, if they wanted to, construct sentences and things that you do actions um emotional responses to literally be someone else and then you go on not just a television show but the most popular television show out there and that is like but yet we still do do it you know what i mean and i it's crazy because then you bite your nails and you're like, oh my God, I'm being perceived like whatever. But it is like it is. We do give it up.

Totally. I think that also it's like no risk, no reward. Like you gotta just give it and you gotta do it. Like all the great things that I got with some of the like bad things that I'm not thrilled about. Like the good outweighs the bad completely and it's like that's just kind of how I have to look at it and it is it's just it is what it is

it must also be like because we often talk about this because we are experiencing it like sort of together like you definitely like leapfrogged with the whole with like you know SNL and like that's like happening to you on a very large scale and we definitely, we receive and respond to things differently. But, like, you had Rosé go through it as well.

So do you and Rosé, like, compare notes and, like, emotions about this? Totally. It's one of those things where it just changes you. It changes your life, like, your day-to-day. And I literally, like, two days ago had a conversation with Rosé. And I was, like, crying. I was just, like, it's just so crazy that this has all happened so fast. And we all, like, we just got to this place so quickly.

Like, I've been doing this for five years. She's been doing this for four years. And, like, to be on Drag Race and All Star, like, in that time, I'm like, bitch. Like, it's nuts, but we're, it's, it's, we're not closer physically because we're just on different time schedules. Now we don't see each other, but emotionally we're, we're so much closer because we have such a,

we have a deeper understanding of a bonds that is so much bigger than what we started out doing. And we're growing into that and finding um a new layer and level of the relationship that we had and it's it's it's awesome to like have somebody so close to me who i literally like started doing this like oh so much of like my um success as a queen in the city to like go through as well and just to be like to have that like to be on the other side of it is like oh my god like wow we really like did that and you know what it's a little different now but we have each other and like that's what we want oh my god sorry i'm like i know no i get so emotional whenever i talk about my sister you know what

i mean like i i really i think it's like and and you realize and you recognize how hard you worked and you know what really comes through at the end of the day that you guys are fucking machines and this is what i like so good at what you do like always go out there and fucking execute and entertain and that's why i said like because i know that they do edit you guys until like you know i think that a lot of new york queens get this it's the thing of like oh they're a new york girl they do it all they're perfectionists but where's the soul or you know what i mean or like where's this where's that and i think it's easy to do to new york queens that are good at everything across the board because they have to be to exist and survive in new york yeah and like so you go to the show

and you're not labeled like the fashion girl or the comedian or whatever and it's like well yeah because i've had to be all those things and that's why i come across as this like fucking like you know like i'm gonna kill it like who could do crowd work like you among like queens and season 12 you know it's like that kind of thing but sorry no i mean it that's just true and when i go and travel and i see all these other places in the country that have different kinds of drag i'm like it is just so so different in new york even in bigger cities like Chicago or LA. We love the Chicago Queens. Obsessed, literally obsessed with all of them and all of the different scenes.

But it's just not New York. And when all the queens who are on the show come through to New York or have been to New York, they're like, I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you do these two hour shows by yourself or with someone else five nights a week. And I'm like, yeah, it's, it actually is a lot, but that's the other thing too. I'm like, I'm going to work like, because I know how to work. If there's anything I'm going to do, I don't care what happens on whatever I'm, I'm gonna, I'm going to work. Cause that's what I love to do. And that's what I'd like been trained to do in the school of drag in New York City and I know that

people are going to be like, wow, New York City, but I'm like it's just, it is its own thing. As we're talking about New York drag, it is I think it's important to tie it back specifically to what Matt is saying. It is an easy edit to be like, this person is so jack of all trades maybe

that it feels, it's an easy thing to flatten them into this thing of like well you there's no soul like the no soul thing is so pervasive what happens it's like i have friends that watch the show and they're like i'm so sick of the new york queens thing being there in new york queen and i'm like the reason they say that is because what they're saying is i do it fucking all i'm working 10 15 times a week i'm out here i'm a fucking like killer and that's the only that's the best way to get across the way i know how is that i'm on stage and competitive in the drag scene in and i'm a winner on the stage

in new york city which means that you are number one and so like totally when someone like britta filter goes on and doesn't do super well on Drag Race, I kind of am like, oh, I kind of hate that the fandom is so decisive about the way they feel because I dare you to have a better time than go to a Brita Filter.

Oh my God. I mean, Adele and Jennifer Lawrence went there for a reason. A reason. Because she's the best. Yeah. She's awesome. And I mean,

but that's the thing too. It's like that, that narrative does mean, but that's the thing too. It's like that, that narrative does come, but it's like, I, I, I'm actually going to go on a limb here and say that actually every single queen who has been on the show from New York city actually does not lead

with saying that they are a queen from New York city. They're like, I'm this, I'm this, I'm this. And then eventually they're like, and I'm from New York city. And then of course everyone's like,

well, she's from New York. So we're going gonna have to file that into this category right now and i'm like i actually can guarantee you that none of us are actually that hung up on being from new york we're proud of it because it's like taught us about like our drag and it's helped us you know shape us as artists i mean i feel like also if you're like an artist working on something and you're like surrounded by like a culture or you're surrounded by an atmosphere like you should be proud of that especially if you're excelling in it so I'm like why is it wrong to be happy about something that you're extremely proud of 100% why wouldn't you like slightly identify with like the community

you were sort of brought up in or that you like I mean that's the thing about being in New York as a drag artist is like you end up like having like these connections with all these different kinds of people who are either who may or may not happen to like be a resource for you in terms of like i don't know like you would go out like you like i what i love about jan too is that like i'm referring to you in the third person it's like he is you like you like it's like you like have this appreciation for comedy like i like like you like have this appreciation for comedy like like like you were like standing meg stalter before the rest of the gays you know like that kind of thing like that and holding your own on insta live yes thank you can't can't honestly say

enough about meg stalter can i be honest with you i got back from season 12 and i was like so sad so defeated yeah and meg came out with like one of the first videos that I saw of her, which was her in like the dorm room being like, like in a blonde wig. And I forget the exact syntax and I don't want to butcher it. But I saw that video and it truly cured my depression. I was like, oh, I'm obsessed with this person. And I, I, I, and I do like, I love what y'all do. Like, I just like your comedic geniuses

you are so good at what you do and like but and it brings everyone joy like it really does and I have such an appreciation for him like I will never be at this level I'm like I can like I can make people laugh sometimes but I'm like I'm not a comedian and I'm like y'all are just so good and I aspire

to be like y'all like I was like nervous coming here like no because i heard i had heard about this pavilion show like all of them were like no jan has fucking jokes we were laughing thanks also your mixes were on point thank you mixes were good the mix queen honestly i love making mixes i do well i had a really bad deviated septum like two years ago and I couldn't sing at all. Did you get it corrected? I did. I sure did. Yeah.

Yeah. But I couldn't. I was like, okay, I'm going to sing for a week out of the month. And then the other three weeks, I'm not going to do anything. And I was like, you know what? Got to start whipping out the mixes, honey. And that's when people were like, oh, okay, cool. She can actually do these mixes too.

And I'm like, I got something here, baby. I know. Mixes are important. I mean, when we, I feel like this is like years ago when we were seeing Bob at Barracuda. That was the thing about Bob. The mixes were...

Out of this world. Out of this world. Like Slave For You with Chris Rock's the only time a white person can say the N-word bit, that is one of the most genius... That's the thing about New York Queens, too. It's like, I don't know, they're clever with the mixes. We saw Tina Burner

at Tina Cherry's, and it was like, she has great fucking mixes. Tina has great mixes. Her mixes, I love the one that's like, y'all ready for this? The one that's like, all the fights, I love. You know who else has them? I don's like, y'all ready for this? The one that's like all the fights. I love, you know who else has them? I don't know if y'all are familiar with her work.

And I'm going to actually say that I think this is going to be my nominee for the Little Mix. Oh no, what is it? Being Fierce Boots. Being Fierce Boots. Absolutely Fierce Boots Award. Absolutely Fierce Boots. Keisha Carr.

Oh, we love Keisha Carr. Oh my God, Keisha Carr. Has the best mix in New York City, which is her God Warrior mix. Nothing is better. Get out and stay out to the God Warrior. It couldn't be better. Standing ovation every single time she does it.

Wait, like get out and stay out for 9 to 5 musical? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on now. So get out and stay out. It's like, it's out of this world that's incredible kisha carr another barracuda legend legend very that um industry no i guess kisha i mean kisha is is like does that whole like circuit totally the best part about kisha was literally oh hey i'm in the book of more men and i'm actually gonna do a show at Industry Bar at

night after my eight show weekend for all of you. Keisha Carr? Oh my god. Keisha Carr came to the RuPaul SNL and like it was beautiful. Oh my god and then that's when all the season 12 girls came.

That was a night bitch. We were up on the table. Were you up on the table? Britta was definitely up on the table. Oh my God. Yes. That was a night, bitch. That was a night. We were up on the table. Were you up on the table? Britta was definitely up on the table. Oh, I sure was. That was, that went down, that was one of,

that was maybe the, I'm sorry to say, the only like fun, fun SNL after party that I've, but Cecily was like, that was the funnest SNL after. Like,

you never get people dancing on tables. It's always like STK, people like sitting down at a table. No, no, no. No, no, no. It was great. Nikki Doll was like sitting down at a table. No, no, no. It was great.

Nikki Doll was like Nikki Doll. I'm getting up on the table. Nikki Doll's hilarious. I've been seeing her pop up everywhere now. Nikki Doll is so funny.

I have gotten so close with her from season 12 and I'm so grateful that I have. She is hilarious and is really starting to come into her own. She's like, she would look at me hosting,

and she was just like, I don't know how you do it. And now she's like, jokes, jokes, jokes. She's a funny, funny girl and a good time gal. She was the one who, I swear, I'm pretty sure she was the one who was like, I'm getting up on the table. Her or Britta, I'm like, it really, of course, could have been either of them. And it eventually was all of us in that moment. It was everybody. Did you get up on the table. Yeah, I bet. Her or Britta. I'm like, it really, of course, could have been either of them. And it eventually

was all of us in that moment. It was everybody. Did you get up on the table? I got up on the table. There's photos of me and Josh Sharp and Ego on the table.

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So this is the question really what was the culture that made you say culture was for you and i know you understand you know i do and i have to be honest this was really difficult for me um but the one that i think is the most and i'm sure somebody has said this and if not i'm shocked to be the first. But it was the year 2009 at the VMAs when Lady Gaga performed Paparazzi. Yeah. And I- The blood. The whole thing.

The whole thing. When she belts that popper, like we're listening to it on the radio, honey. She's flipping into the falsetto. Yeah. When she belts Promise I'll Be Kind. I literally floored. I'm in my room like i don't

know how old i was at that point 16 maybe just screaming at the top of my lungs and i was like oh i'm witnessing somebody have a cultural breakthrough right now and she changed the game in that moment and i became so obsessed with her i had like a shrine on my wall like i was like i was and still am one of those gaga gays and i'm absolutely at peace and okay with that there's nothing wrong with no you've heard us say if you don't love gaga you don't love yourself no no i'll die on the hill it i mean let's let's be honest and talk about it let's be honest because that was also the VMA performance

where unless you had seen her do Poker Face I think at like some radio station it might have been iHeart actually but that was the first time that I think a lot of people

saw her do the foot on the piano thing yeah like it was that was an incredible performance she literally in that moment said I'm gonna do it all I'm gonna actually start with one of my biggest hits, Poker Face.

I'm going to sing that in a dark sense. And then I'm actually going to play the piano after I do a wild dance break. And then I'm going to cover myself in blood. But the twist, it's not over. I'm going to put blood in my eye, grab grab something pretend that I'm literally dead and just hold eye contact the way she held it is so remarkable

with all of it in her eye I was like how did she do it she's a freak of nature in a way that's just so deeply connected to who she is she is like fully possessed she is one of those entertainers that will, and for me,

I think my favorite is the applause performance from the VMAs. Barclays Center. Barclays Center. It's show time! In the literal square. Yeah. Absolutely.

It is the circle in the square. It was the circle in the square. Essentially, Rural Culture number 99. Lady Gaga doing applause at the VMAs. That was the circle and the square. Essentially, Rural Culture number 99. Lady Gaga doing applause at the VMAs. That was the circle and the square. But paparazzi for me

was actually the moment when it became very real to me. It was when I realized like, oh, this person is here to stay because to be honest with you, Just Dance didn't hit me as hard as it seemed to hit everyone else.

Poker face, I was like, can't accept that this is a hit. Love Game was my moment where I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's pay attention to this. Love Game was definitely great. Paparazzi to me was like, like, Paparazzi to me is an unbelievable song.

Even if you strip it all away, I think it's beautiful. My favorite from that album. Absolutely same. Yep, yep. And the video. And the video. I was going to say, are you talking about the video because the video

was also a further me the first time I watched that video that summer of 2009 I think so yeah I was just like and literally her

like coming out in the gold of the car with the crutches I was like Jesus the eye for talent that she had

Alexander Skarsgård Alexander Skarsgård that and also the record label being like, okay, actually budget. We're going to actually do it for this girl right now because she's on the rise. They got her. They

knew exactly what they had and it was iconic to see. I literally was like, oh, I want to be this person because I feel like I, and especially I fell down into the rabbit hole. I was like, Oh my God.

Like she's from New York. I'm from New Jersey. She went to a Catholic school. She's Italian. I'm Italian. And I'm like, I am her. I sing,

I dance, I do theater. Some people don't get my voice. Some people do. I'm like, I, it was very that. And I was like,

I like love this person. And I became like, truly like a giant fan and was like, I was like, I like love this person. And I became like truly like a giant fan and was like, I can like, she just preaches about like believing in herself and like, just like being like, I've always been a star, but nobody's seen it until now.

And I'm like, yeah, bitch. I'm like, that's awesome. Like words to live by for yourself. And I'm like, I want to carry myself with as much confidence as this person has and believe

in myself like this person has, because nobody else is going to do it for you. You have to believe to believe in yourself like that and i that was the first time that i was like oh okay cool that's like when i started doing theater and taking it seriously and like really transitioned from like a fucking soccer player to like a theater person yeah and that's like it was all around that time i like oh so much of myself and like my like trajectory of life, like to her speaking to me and like a deeper, like queer level that like gave me self-confidence. Jan, God bless you.

Cause I will never, ever, ever get tired of talking about her. Never. Never. Never. Ever. It's so,

it's so awful. But like, I just love this like self-development for you. This like, cause I truly as pathetic. It's not pathetic. He says all the time. but like I just love this like self development for you this like cause I truly as pathetic it's not pathetic he says all the time

I say it all the time like she is someone who like has clarified things about like 100% what you just said yes I have nothing to really

add except same you know like I've been like wow like she and like Matt has sort of like trailed behind me

in all these times not all these times now I think we're fully caught up at the same level but for a while Gaga's a big part of my life but for a while like when Born This Way

came out like Matt and I like it was right before we went to Skidmore that year do you remember? yeah I remember and we would like sing it in the car

but then you I think correct me if I'm wrong you can drag me no no I'm not dragging you but correct me if I'm wrong you were like this song is not that good

which one? Born This Way I think I thought that Born This Way was on the nose because here's the thing, and this is something I say to my- She wasn't on the nose until that point, too.

But I also don't care that it's on the nose now. Looking back, actually, it can be on the nose because maybe it was a message she wanted to be very loud and clear. And I think that's actually fine and good. And, you know,

not everything has to be shrouded in, you know, artistic, you know, secrecy or whatever it's like it can actually be clear and i think that you were born this way no matter who you are love yourself you're worth it you're valid is something that she just wanted to get very clear about and i also think this is why i say if you don't love gaga you don't love yourself because i don't think i i don't think i i think i not in, not in my body and not in my self yet.

And so I saw that she was just a recklessly, whoever she wanted to be at any given moment. And I wasn't getting it because I still think I had hangups. Yeah. I can assess, I have enough self-assessment now to say that, like, I don't know.

I just, I looking back, it's like, I respect every single thing she's ever fucking done. And I don't think she was ever wrong to do anything. Even the crazy shit. Like when she became a helicopter, I said,

that was one of the most, that was the time for me. Top, top 10, top 10 moments of her entire career. She became the first woman helicopter. Yeah. And then she flew a little bit off the ground and landed.

It's actually coming in at six meters off the ground. Like, just like, not six meters. Not meters. Six inches. She lifted off and her face just, you could tell she was like, lift off in her brain. Like, she was thinking, she wasn't thinking as a human being. She was thinking as the helicopter. It's actually crazy because that's when she wrote Venus.

In that moment. Venus to me is a top five. Oh, yeah. Self-produced. Yes. And you know what was the most devastating thing for me? Because that was supposed to be the single moment. I know. That was supposed to be the single. And she said, oh, I'm going to do a fun little pre-release

of a promo single. Remember those? Promo single of Do What You Want. Do what you want. And it did well on iTunes. And this always happens with her. It does well on iTunes for 12 hours. And she is so excited. The record label, I guess, is so excited too that they're like,

scratch that. This is the single. Here we go. And I'm like, no. Like Venus was the one. It was the one. It was for us. And it's just self-produced.

It's self-produced. It's essence. It's her essence. Yes, yes. It's like B-52s, like nonsense. Like, I'm just gonna, I was probably, she was probably like on drugs. It was like fucking David Bowie, like Elton John.

Like, it was like everything, very like, you know, just like pop star as like celestial creature. You know what I mean? Like, which we love. Aphrodite lady, seashell bikini, garden panty, Venus. Imagine hearing that on the radio. Imagine hearing that. We missed out on that one for sure. You're so right.

And I definitely think on out on that one for sure you're so right and i definitely think on like on that album i mean i do love gui and i'm grateful for the video but like it feels like it feels like like weird weird like donatella how is that not a single i was stomping the streets to donatella it has staying power absolutely Absolutely. It absolutely has staying power. It does. The whole album. It really does. I'll never get Kim Richards out of my mind strumming the guitar.

Strumming the guitar back and forth. Also, you know that that was like a really bad week for the Housewives of Beverly Hills because they went there to shoot that GUI video the day after the reunion that year. And it was a really bad year. Like none of them were getting along and speaking. And Kyle and Lisa Vanderpump were not speaking at the time and then they were in most of the video because they're very much the stars of the show yes and then they were i was watching old interviews because i'm very ill and um i was watching old old videos of her interviews of kyle and she was like it actually was really good for us to get together that day

on set because we were waiting around a lot and we gave us a chance to talk and she was like it actually was really good for us to get together that day on set because we were waiting around a lot and it gave us a chance to talk and like then like she was like and Lady Gaga was amazing and we did the video

and had fun and honestly our relationship got better and I'm like see that's a missing part of the narrative wow that the GY video helped

yes Gaga heals Gaga heals Gaga healed the Beverly Hills housewives wait but let's talk about Paparazzi 2009

because yes maybe my favorite VMAs ever. Ever. What a crazy, like they will never top that. Not, who cares? I don't know who they are. MTV, I guess.

But like that was just a perfect award show. A perfect award show. That like set off pop culture conflicts and things for the next decade. Yes. That was back when you really had to watch the VMAs to be keyed into what was happening in pop culture, to be honest with you. And now those days are kind of, sorry, but gone. The last one was maybe 2013. It was Miley and Robin Thicke.

That was maybe the last one where everyone was like, oh my God. Where it was consequential. It was water cooler. Like, oh my god still talking was Watercooler like oh my god did you hear about like this and that and that but 2009

I mean unbeatable and then the following year of pop music 2010 I feel like is up for best time it's up for best time

wow in terms of like in terms of pop music like 2010 was that Teenage Dream that was a teenage dream let's do it today actually if you want to count Fame Monster as part of 2010

even though it came out in 2009 just what an incredible that was a moment was that Rihanna Loud oh my god the hits keep coming yeah I really can't say enough about this era.

This era. Because this is when it happened. This is when the girls were girly. Yeah, yeah. We're girly. The girls were girly. And they were girly. It's a rule of culture, number 34.

In 2010, the girls were girly. They were. It's true. But you know who was leading the brigade? Miss Gaga. Bigger than Beyonce at the time. Changed fashion. Changed what we're doing now with literally like looks and red carpet.

She elevated. When you can elevate an art form that's been so successful and completely fine without you and then come in like a goddamn wrecking ball and absolutely change the course of what it was. Everyone was scrambling. Like the fashion was crazy. I remember Lady Gaga showing up in a goddamn meat dress and Nicki Minaj is showing up in a jean vest.

And she likes the jean vest. Any woman on the set would like it. But it's... It just changed everything. There was something about two and we say it with love, but this is, again, you mentioned Beyonce. This was before Beyonce did 4, which I believe was the turning point in Beyonce.

And in Single Ladies, there was a reference to Gaga in that aesthetic. There was. And there was also that moment where there was crossover. For the video? For Single Ladies? I believe so.

They shot that before, I think, the fame came out. But sometimes I think Beyonce gets the scoop on what the girls are doing. At the time. At the time. And I think a lot of the girls had what we call sleeper agents and i believe that the girls actually had sleeper agents i don't know if they were the dancers i don't know if they were the makeup artists and hmu is sneaky hmu and you know what i'm just saying you know

everything they know it all they know it all never this is i mean never something i tell everyone don't ever talk in them oh no no don't ever talk shit in the hmu these girls are the eyes ears and mouths and the hands and hands literally and they will see you with those hands and you'll look a mess wow don't talk shit to hmu if you know anything you know that hmu are the best people on set the The, they run the show. If they're like, we need you on set now and HMU says no, you're not getting on set.

No, I'm not getting on. You're not getting on set. And also, if you think I'll even let them roll without getting my last looks, I won't be on camera. Absolutely not. This ponytail is going to be quaffed

like it was for continuity, mama. Say the wrong thing in the chair you look in the mirror and think you look good on camera you look like goddamn quasimodo can i say something but all i'm saying is like at that time it felt like yes i agree with you gaga was leading the charge because gaga was the one that was commercially most successful and also artistically most interesting yes and to be both of those things was is not guaranteed no no and at the time i think katie wanted the artistic respect yes and i think that like someone like rihanna also wanted the artistic respect totally i think they've both achieved it now in different ways

like well rihanna obviously now is across the board respected a billion dollars like totally you don't you she is essentially like walking art now right but at the time which is this this year this era 2010 not even beyonce was at that level beyonce was peak pop star yeah but it would be a few years until beyonce was like actually i'm a deity and everyone was like yes you are and always have been but gaga was the one who was walking the walk in terms of like actual creative and artistic output that is art pop yeah and sadly I think the shift for Gaga and Beyonce where Beyonce kind of took that role was when art pop happened I thought that Beyonce was going to be what like what Beyonce ended up being was going to be what art pop was. In terms of the visual aesthetic, I was like, she's combining art and pop.

This is going to be a very visual era for us. And we're going to get an entire visual album for this. And it just did not happen. And that is sad. But Beyonce said, I'm coming in with this visual album I'm actually dropping it without anyone knowing and I'm going to take the world by absolute storm and that's when that shift was because it's the hardest part when you're at the top and everyone's expecting you to fall and fail

and I don't think that that album was a fall or a failure at all I think maybe there were things that I would have done differently in all my expertise in the music industry, I would have done things a little bit differently. You might have. And so it goes. And so it goes. And that's what makes sort of the... I understand when people are like,

well, I always thought art prop was good because I kind of count myself as one of those people. But it's frustrating to have that sentiment because you're like well like you know it would have been i don't know it just it shook out the way it did and like it's not i you hate to like look back on something and be like that was underappreciated yeah but it definitely was i mean that's the thing too and it's like it's also got that weird thing of like even if you like to do what you want like it's marred you know what i mean like and unfortunately

like that is a weird decision that she made like to even have him on it because let's not pretend like we didn't know the score with r kelly at the time like i definitely think there was like weird decision making happening there because i do think that she was a little scattered but also that's why i like the album is because i think it really did say i'm throwing it on the walls and like this artistic sense and like it has all stuck up there for me right now and maybe i'm not going to make like discerning choices about it it's all there it's this messy output and i i don't even really know that anyone if they were to describe what art pop is in a nutshell or like give it a thesis that everyone would not one person would have the same definition as someone else exactly but that's sort of great about it because since then she has so clearly

done these different eras yes like you know exactly that she was going for now we are in the house of gucci era and it is going to be goofy honey but i'm ready i'm ready for i'm ready for the realization of not just italian girl from new york yeah italian woman from italy absolutely it is going to be an extremely goofy movie honey i cannot what were your reactions to the trailer thank god I literally looked at it and I was just like I watched it and I cried because I was like I don't know

if it's gonna be good or not we have to take out the trash we have to take out the trash we have to take out the trash

yeah yeah yeah it's Russian it's a little Russian and you know what I'm here for it I'm here because you know what I am fair

the bitch ethical person but I am fair. The bitch. Ethical person. But I am fair. Father, son, house of Gucci. I'm like, oh my God. She really digs into something. She does something. I think I've said this before.

When she says house of Gucci, like does she really, she's really actually doing some, an authentic oral posture there. Like it's, I think it will actually be very good. I think it will be so good. Also notice.

Yes. If you, if you look at like the Oscar predictions, she has not fallen from the top spot. People are still like, even people that write about it and they're like, this looks goofy as hell, but she, God damn it if it's not going to be watchable in camp. The fashion, the, the, the cast, the budget yeah i mean it's gonna be good yeah i will probably like fall out of it for a second that's lady gaga and just like laugh for a second because it's like you're but she's so the thing that i love about this woman is that she commits yes and i love it i can't wait to like just in the trailer i'm like she is going for it okay also here's the

deal like you can always boil it down especially now that we're working on this movie i'm like like i you realize how important the director is like yeah andrew on that we're working with right now is so brilliant this movie is directed by ridley scott like let's not forget the gifts he has given like one of my favorite movies of all time thumb and louise yeah like fucking so much gold like alien bitch like this is someone who's been iconic from the beginning and again it's not like a spotless record so many different genres so many has directed so many performances to oscar nominations you know what i mean like it's like you know this is a weird comparison but like like, like Ang Lee-ish,

like someone who like excels in different genres, directs different Oscars, like winning performances. Like, you're like, damn, or Oscar nominated at the very least.

It's like, this is like, there's no way, and again, not a spotless record either with Ang. I don't mean to bring him into the conversation,

but yeah, it's like with Ridley Scott, it's like, you're going to be interested no matter what with him. I'm looking up the filmography. You're gonna be interested in Adam and Jared and Gaga and fucking Selma. Yeah. And so many of our friends

have been like, no, this is perfect. This is even better than Star is Born. Oh. Because Star is Born was kind of still trying to go for something serious or take itself seriously somewhat and this is not concerned. That's my hot take on Star is Born. I was like,

they are trying to make this the most heightened version of a very unrealistic world. Yes. And it could not have been, I thought that there was a disconnect there. A little bit. I was like,

I wish that it was a little campier. Yeah. And I'm hoping with House of Gucci that it's campy, but directed so well that you know that it does take itself seriously but also has that twinkle in its eye about it. If they can

marry those together, I think it's going to be everything. I mean, the filmography of Ridley Scott like just naming some, Alien, Blade Runner, fucking Thelma and Louise, Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, like full-ma and Louise, Gladiator. Wow. Black Hawk Down,

like full on war film. American Gangster, Prometheus, which I loved. I loved Prometheus. The Martian. And like, you know, there's some like sort of flops in here too. And then House of Gucci.

Like, I don't know. I just think there's a lot of different kinds of movies there. But one thing that there is in common is that there's a lot of different kinds of movies there but one thing that there is in common is that there's a lot of committed performances yes like for example in gladiator um joaquin and gladiator like that like crazy villain like almost faggy yeah like i love like it's camp and then like you know thelma and louise like, both those ladies, like, fucking crushing it. Like, I don't know. Wow. Gaga.

I mean, this is, okay, like, I still have some trouble every now and then reconciling this Gaga, like, full-on A-list movie star and still, like, fulfilling her pop star duties. Reconciling that Gaga with 2009, like, fame era Gaga. Like, those are the same person to me. And that's crazy. Yes. They are the same person to me and that's crazy yes they are the same person yeah and and then even like most recent like Tony Gaga yeah like how like it just it but it's it's because she

commits and gives her a hundred percent of herself to it every single time that it's so earnest and we can look at it and be like wow of course this person became this person because she's so she was so committed from the jump and she was so different and she's doing all these different things like who else no one else could do what she does i really believe that and for all those reasons like she's like she's my number one number one i'm sorry wait it's so iconic that you got to win not only when that you got to do her did you hear from her um okay so i know that she has seen it and and liked it which is amazing house labs gave me um a post on there they like

reposted the performance and i was like you know if house labs is doing it i'm sure she's had to been like yeah i'm not like if she didn't like it i'm sure she wasn't like no i don't want this anywhere near my makeup or whatever and i was like you know i'm sure like she like i'm sure she wasn't like no i don't want this anywhere near my makeup or whatever and i was like you know i'm sure like she like i'm sure she like i know that she liked it so i'm like she would have had no reason to dislike yeah no thanks like it was iconic when i found out like what the challenge was i was just like i have to do gaga i have to do gaga because it's yeah she's number one she's my number one like to win a challenge like uh to win the rusical challenge as lady gaga babe babe yeah that was definitely like i think that this last episode was incredible and we were watching it screaming the whole time we really had so much fun but probably my second favorite

was that challenge because also shout out to trinity who fucking slayed and also von zell solomon sang down. Oh my God. I need to talk about Von Zell Solomon. Von Zell Solomon is literally one of the biggest reasons why I sing. The American Idol Showstoppers album, when she said Treat Me Right, was on replay in my home. In my room. Ear next to the speaker, belting out these notes from such a young age I love I'm going on record saying I'm

absolutely obsessed with Bonzell Solomon and she has done so like my parents can literally be like oh you sang that song like 10 15 times a day for weeks like it was and that's like where I learned like a love for singing i was

like i want to sound like this incredible singer well get this so i too was obsessed with her when she was on american idol and i feel like three four seasons four four i felt like crazy because i felt like i was the only one being like i mean she's the best be at the time when she was like getting to like top three. And then it was her, Carrie, and Bo. And I'm just never going to respond to someone like Bo. He wasn't for me. He was very much for my mother.

And Carrie, I understood as the person they wanted to win. And I understood her as very talented and someone who would sell records. But I was like, I feel like it's weird. We're not giving this girl the credit like Monzel. So she gets eliminated. I never forget her. feel like it's weird like we're not we're not giving this girl the credit like monzel so she gets eliminated i never forget her no years and years and years and years later i get this show on quibi game show yeah so one of dave and i's ideas one thing i really wanted was i wanted our house band to be one female singer yes and we referred to her as the house band. And I remembered that Von Zell-Solomon

had done the CBS Diversity Showcase with Josh Sharp. That's right. So I knew she was, like, around. So I said, we were figuring out who to get, and I'm like, this is, like, very random, but there was this, like, American Idol contestant years ago. I know that she, like, is around. Like, we could reach out to her.

Her name is Von zell solomon so everyone falls in love with her she gets the gig on game show she gets introduced to leland yes and then that's how he hooked her up with the rupaul gig so now i literally it's one of my pride and joys that i can say that to bet to myself you connected this that i like helped amplify von zell because like and she does not she nary needs my help at all because like she walks into any room and is a star but you just yeah you facilitated it but I'm so like happy that Leland like Brett liked her so much that he wanted to work with her more and then when I heard her sing that like Beyonce mix that Trinity lip sync to the bring back my girls

Beyonce version oh Brett played it for me a long time ago when I was over his house hanging out. He played it for me, and I was like, oh my god, I cannot wait for that to come out. And then to see Trinity just execute it so hard, I was like, this has to be one of the best moments on the show. Oh, 1,000%. It was the track.

We sang it all the time. We were like, Trinity, that's a track you're gonna do that on the road honey like she's been killing the season killing it i love love trinity season six was the first one that i watched live and just um seeing her and her journey and like i'm like i'm in the room with trinity K Bonet and I get to see this bitch do Beyonce

right now yeah yeah yeah honey it's crazy she is so good and I was so happy to see her shine

in that moment and Vonzel too yeah like won't the industry do it like won't do it I think it happens

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who's listening right now, publicists, readers, go to the RuPaul's Drag Race YouTube, watch this lip sync, and listen. You will hear me underscoring the entire thing, screaming the whole... That's why they picked me for the confessional in between i was freaking out i was like this is a season six dream like how am i watching this in front of my eyes both of them killing it yeah like trinity

holding her own laganja like and laganja had us all in stitches the entire time. Like talk about somebody who is just so tapped in to themselves. And I love Laganja. I got to see Laganja a couple of weeks ago when I was in LA and I was like, mama, I'm like just watching you and seeing you shine so brightly in this moment. I'm like like I've always believed in you I've always seen so much of like myself in like you and who you are and to see

you just absolutely blossom and shine in this iconic way it's like it's really like it has to be like top three if not like the best one of all time like it's like it's amazing and we all knew in the moment we all knew in the room well especially when you think about and this goes

without saying and like everyone already knows this people who've watched or people especially people who watched season six at the time it aired and then like have been on this have tracked l'gondra's journey since then like she probably went through one of the more traumatic experiences on that show totally you know mon, Monica Lewinsky of drag race. Well, I mean, she, she is,

she was, she was like, she was one of those early figures of like, everyone like fucking attack this person and like make fun of her. Patience zero for someone. Well, I mean like, yeah.

You know what? The worst part about that is people are coming for her. She is the vernacular of this entire franchise. How are we going to... It's so polarizing. Everyone's so fucking fickle. But she's done so much. We say it all the time.

We are quoting her constantly. She obviously... She's pulling all these isms that are originated by queer black people, queer Black trans people. But it's like, but, like, you know, there's something to be said about the way she, like, really, like, went for it and curated these things. Totally. Absolutely. Like, it is, like, you can trace it back to LaGanja, at least within the show.

Totally. And, like, of course, with the history of where it comes from with like trans black women, but also like, you can't have it both. You gotta really either be on the side of Laganja and like appreciate her for what she's doing. My new thing is like,

get into it or get out. Yeah. Get out and stay out. Full circle. Full circle. Like it's, I just, I love the bitch.

Seeing that live was everything. You had to be screaming when she fucking left. Yeah. Cause it's up and it's i i just i love the bitch seeing that live was ever you had to be screaming when she fucking left yeah because it's up and it's stuck and we're like where the hell is this person and you know wait t you never know who it is no never never wow never we never get any like inkling or anything like that and so just to hear a distant echo, come on, All-Star 6? You knew, you knew. I had full body chills. Yes! I had full body chills.

It's freezing in that studio, but I had full body chills. I was like, I can't believe this is happening right in front of my eyes. Wow. Daggy. And I mean, there's some, I mean, now especially i i did feel bad for silky in that moment when she threw the thing and it smacked silky right in the fucking face but now it's fun to think about because silky ended up like having this great triumphant moment herself totally but like um her on the pit stop talking to trixie that was also like the perfect little like supplemental

thing where you're like oh she's good she's in a great place in great place. In an awesome place. She was so funny. And you know what the other thing too is, is when you watch the untucked of her in that episode, watch the untucked of when they bring her out of the van. It's 18 seconds of pure gold. She's like, doors open. And she's like, how are you going to tell this

donor that this big elephant door doesn't open? I thought I was going to just whisk the doll away. Here we go. Like it's, she is on another planet high and and just like but she needs to be yes and the best pitch speaking of the pit stop when she was talking about like oh how how many milligrams is like a functioning level yeah 25 30 yeah 30 i't believe. That's me in like my worst moment. Yeah. I'm spiraling when I'm at 30. Okay.

Or I'm eating sugar fish and it's all the same. But like I. Wait, did you give me an edible in Fire Islands? I sure did. Yes. And that was the good shit. I gave you a mushroom. You gave me a mutt.

Oh, that's right. You took it. Those were good. I know. We ran into, we ran into Jan and the girls, and we all went into... What was that? That was like the pavilion.

That was the pavilion. Later that night, right? Talk about transforming the space. Girl. Completely different. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. That was a fun night.

That was really fun. I'm telling you, that week was so good. This was the night before you got there. That's right, that's right. But... Oh, my God. I remember seeing Colin the Boardwalk, and I was like, oh my God. I remember seeing Colin on the boardwalk,

and I was like, hey guys. You were falling all the way out. Hopefully the notes were in the building. They were present. Come on, season six. Come on, season six. Let's get sick. Let's get sick.

So when you're performing and doing all this stuff now, and traveling, you're singing live now. And do you sing live always? No. Your vocals were incredible that night thank you you really had it intact it's one of those things lubricated yeah i i'm somebody who like if i'm not really getting sleep it's gonna be hard so and and like with the travel and honestly like with the air like i was just when i was in la i hate to say it it's too dry it's too dry and my

cords were just a nightmare yeah and then like i get sinus infections like super easily like even with the djs even after the correct yes i think i have to go get it like relooked at because i'm like oh god like it's happening again where it'll like it's on or it's it's it's off in a major way but that's the thing it's like i have other moments that i can do like i love my mixes like and i try to sing live every time that i can because it's like i have other moments that i can do like i love my mixes like i try to sing live every time that i can because it's i feel like it's what a lot of people want with you it's like you know it's not just going to be like you know here's so and so coming out to sing it's like here's a singer singing did you get like a rhino septo um no i didn't do any rhino oh okay i when they took my assist out i got a rhino septo and like i think that they did correct like a deviated

septum that was in there I didn't know about. Work. So now it's better, but it doesn't matter if you live in LA. It's really fucking hard to sing. And I'm wondering if like maybe that's just because I was there like, I left two weeks ago. Like I'm wondering if it's just like it was a

residual moment that it just, I was like out there like we're in the middle of the desert like filming this thing and so I was like, oh okay, like I'm probably just dry as hell and it's just like adding on top of it plus i'm like doing night work so i'm like oh i'm literally up like like we're like we're shooting from like yeah like six six to like six and like and also it's like i'm not sleeping don't you feel like so you went to boko i did did. So you're like hyper aware of your instrument. Yes. Oh, 1000%. I wake up every morning and I'm literally like,

ah, like where am I? Like I have to just like see where I'm at because it does dictate like my day or like my work or like everything like that. So I'm very annoyingly aware. No, no, no. That's Boko. That's like,

no, I'm not saying Boko is annoying, obviously, but it's like, I mean, you have to like, I'm not not. That's your way of, I'm not not.'s like i know i'm not saying boco is annoying obviously but it's like i mean you have to like not that's your way i'm not not you're not i'm not not i feel like people who people who come out of there are like just precise nick adams nick adams we're working with him now he was the amy jackson eric jackson catherine mcfee catherine mcfee all the dolls talk about precise yeah we were watching we had the same voice teacher really you and Catherine

we did Catherine McPhee we were talking about her first American Idol audition when she sang God Bless the Child and like it's still one of the craziest

raw vocals I've ever heard beautiful I mean let's separate the art from the artist yeah wow Azalea Banks rules

we're separating the art from the artist 100%. Wow. Azalea Banks rules. We're separating the art from the artist. 100%. No, no, no. Not Azalea. I'm gagged. Wait, what's this Alice Ripley shit?

Whoa. Oh, I haven't really been keeping... Do you know the deal? Let's take a deep dive into TikTok right now. Do y'all have TikTok? I do. I don't...

But my algorithm isn't smart enough to know that I would be interested in Broadway TikTok. Okay. One I gather, and I don't I but I my algorithm does isn't smart enough to know that like I would be interested in like sure Broadway TikTok okay uh what I gather and I don't know too much about this is that somebody was a big fan um was young was a young fan like 12 or 13 and was very um like in the fan base of Alice Ripley was like a big fan just like really loved her and I I believe Alice um responded to her in a way that um made the girl feel like closer to her and and enticed her in a way yeah like that where it where it was grooming yeah and um and and I'm like and and I read it and I was just like

oh I wonder and then I just like as the story was going on I was like I wonder what she said and what she did and when the girl was like it, it was this, it was this, it was this. And when other people, and I was like, oh, whoa, like that's not good off the jump. And then like doubling down on things where other people were like, her relationship with you was weird. Seeing that, I was like, that is no wino. Yeah, you can't engage in that way. Not with the kids. Not with the kids.

No. And it's, yeah, like, and now this girl's like on TikTok telling her story. It's like sad. Iok telling her story it's like sad i'm like oh god like you were so young and like that's horrible i don't even like i have young fans too i'm never gonna like they were talking about like lingerie i could not even imagine maybe she didn't know that how girl how young the girl was but the thing is just like me and you can't that's that's where it's just like you have to have a certain relationship with that person at that point i feel like when you're a star like that you can't, you can't. That's where it's just like, you have to have a certain relationship with that person at that point.

I feel like when you're a star like that, you can't just, no. And that's what's weird too, is it's like, I don't know. It's like, you never know who people are going to be online.

It's weird. Like it's, it's like a little scary and freaky when you think about it. Well, it seems like, it seemed like she was the person to like, engage and initiate and all this.

Oh, totally. That's, that's where that's like, she was like, I'm here. Exactly. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, like, she was like grooming her. Exactly. Yeah.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah. He was talking about grooming. He was talking about grooming. Um, well, I mean, if you know anything

about Alice Ripley, it's like, there's something off. She's cuckoo. The peppermint twist. Twist, twist, twist, twist. The name of the game is the peppermint twist. Oh! I'm only, twist. The name of the game is the Peppermint Twist.

I'm only happy when it rains. Her YouTube. Her YouTube circa 2009. Circa right after Next to Normal. Alice would be the band. Alice would be the band. It's something like that. I think that's what the channel was called.

Next to Normal was one of the most transformative Broadway experiences I've ever had. I've never cried that hard in a Broadway theater. I literally, from Hey Number Three through So Anyway I'm Leaving, all the way through fucking I Am The One Who Loved You. That, through the end of that, I literally, and then Let There Be Light. I'm like literally, I'm screaming sobbing in the audience. Of course. And so was everyone else.

Absolutely. I miss Broadway. Yeah. I was on an anti-Broadway kick for a moment where I was just like, this is just too much. Yeah. We're doing too much with this. The shows that we're doing right now, we gotta figure it out right now y'all girl but i am like hardcore back on a broadway kick i'm like i can't wait to see shows i want to be

on fucking broadway like i want to do it i'm in a major way i want to be back i would suck bad cock to see like honey i shrunk the kids the musical at this point i'm not even kidding you i'll suck bad cock dirty dick dirty i want to see and i really think that this would be and this is my own star vehicle right now i would think that the one that i want to do so bad is i want somebody to make a miss congeniality music oh that would be amazing i want them to be like, for me or like somebody else, like double cast is like the boy version. Like, like crazy is like now boy,

but then like she becomes a drag queen. Yeah. And, and, and that's like, it's never going to happen. I love the idea of it. It's my favorite movie.

So I'm like, I mean, miscongeniality is the truth. The way. One in a million. You're one in a million. I of the way you're one in a million I did oh my god

the dance break for that yes that's the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade performance baby yes yeah I got to tell Sandra

yes I was like you just have to know that like there's been this like re reappreciation for that dance number

yes for that part of the movie on like gay Twitter I guess she was like really? oh that's so fun and I was like

I just had to tell that was my one moment of like fangirling on her where I was just like I have to was that 2000? it was 2000

it was a long time ago girl it was 21 years ago that movie came out decades old there's an establishing shot of the Twin Towers yeah so it was that Legally Blonde

was 2001 these movies are old and let's talk about a successful musical adaptation Legally Blonde the best

was talking about the doll yesterday yeah I said maybe best opening number in a contemporary musical oh my god you guys yeah

it burns the house down yeah rivals Defying Gravity with so much better i i have to say i have to be honest yeah i i feel really bad one day um one day i was tweeting and um i and i um said like it's i was like legally blonde is so underrated which i now realize is like not the right syntax for what I was trying to say because I just so appreciate the musical and I'm like this should have won

every single Tony award it should have swept and people were like it's actually not underrated it's the most like regionally performed musical like ever and I'm like I don't mean it like that I don't mean it like that but this is when we say shut up girls I want I'm gonna get into my I don't think so honey later and we're gonna say shut up, girls. I want... I'm going to get into my I don't think so, honey later.

And we're going to say shut up, girls, with the Twitter. Okay? But... We're circling back into that during the conversation. But yeah, I was like, that's not what I mean by that. No. I actually have nothing but the most love and respect for this musical. And I just want the world...

I want it to win a Tony Award. I want it to win Best Revival when it gets revived. Because that's going to be revived. It must be. It will be. It has to be. Well, it's a star vehicle for an actress. Joel and I did that we did the Legally Blonde Search for the Next Elwood

recap podcast. Oh my god, that's right! And you remember watching the show the role of El is so hard and you have to be so funny and such a good singer and hold the center and Laura Bell Bundy, say what you want but the thing is like Laura Bell Bundy was serving down.

She was carrying down. She was carrying down. I'm not prepared to say that about Laura Bell Bundy. She was the original Evermont Hustle and I'm telling you when I saw this is the, I think the moment I realized I was gay was like literally, literally, literally, I'm in

the back row of Hairspray the Musical. You could not get tickets. My parents somehow got tickets. It was the original Broadway cast. Matthew Morrison, bitch. Harvey Fierstein. Marissa Jarrett Winokur. All the dolls. Carrie Butler

as Penny and Miss Amber Von Tussle was played by Laura Bell Bundy and the high harmony was being belted in a way that made me during You Can't Stop the Beat when they're like

we can we can and then when they go yes we can and literally When they're like, come on, you've been so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so happy. That was the first time you saw the sun. I know exactly that feeling. It's visceral. I'm excited to see the joy coming out of your face right now. When the whole ensemble was belting out You Can't Stop the Beat at the end, I was just like

the catharsis was so on another level in the room. I was just like I literally, like, my body could not contain it. Everyone's involved. Everyone's involved. Everyone's involved. Everyone's involved in the room. Great number. Hairspray, bitch.

I love that musical so much. It's a good one. And one that, what I love about it is that, like, John Waters is like, yes, I approve. This is, like, the best, this is the best version of what it could have been. Yeah. Ugh, amazing. It really is everything. The camp, the music, the choreo, the everything.

Everything. Just, like, the fucking time period, like how funny it is. And then also, the twist, a sickening message. Yeah. It's actually in Hula Culture number 75. The twist, hairspray, sickening message. Yeah.

Like it has it all. It really does. It's one of the greats. A sickening message. This is what I wanted to ask before we go and die. I don't think so, honey. So we were talking about this this week. What was the dissemination of

information, I guess, for you guys when you were eliminated? Okay, these are the songs you guys... These are extra songs you guys should learn for... Lip syncs. No, it wasn't extras. It was just a long list that we had like from the jump so great great amazing and you learned them all you probably know a bunch of them yeah you know

a bunch of them i'm just a psycho and like you're especially during like the quarantine because we had to quarantine before we like right on set i was like okay cool like i have the list of songs i was like let me just familiarize myself with the ones that i don't know and then like absolutely rave to the ones that i do. So it was fun. You get to just learn. And I'm like, psycho musical theater. I'm like,

I'm going to write down all the lyrics for these songs because I want to know them. And I want to just have them down and memorize, just in case. But was the list longer than it was in 12, let's say? Or was it comparable? Yeah, it was the same. It was the same. They did a great job of disguising it.

We had no idea what was happening with this entire game within a game. Just absolutely no idea. Love it. So when you get those lists, for this season, was there a song that you were like, oh, I fucking hope I get that? Yeah, it was Phone by Lizzo. That was amazing.

Yeah, Ginger really did the damn thing. And Mayhem, too. They both really killed it. But I was like, that or physical. And of course, I'm sandwiched in between with Womanizer. Love it, Free Britney. But I just, yeah, it's not my shining moment. And that's okay, that's okay, that's okay.

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So it's time for I Don't Think So Honey. Yes. So I Don't Think So Honey is sort of that segment we do where we do, remember 60 seconds? I think 60, yeah.

60 seconds, a rant on something in pop culture that you know what? It's time. It's time we say. It's time we say I Don't Think So Honey. Matt, do you have something?

I do, I do. Okay, we'll start with you, Matt, as usual. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey as time starts now. I don't think so, honey, that the hurricanes have names. Because guess what? It's actually hurtful to the people that have those names. Talking to someone right now whose mother is named Katrina, and had to watch her go through that. Talking to someone right now

who had a dog named Sandy, and had to watch that dog go through that. Why the fuck can't we just say dog named Sandy and had to watch that dog go through that. Why the fuck can't we just say, hey y'all, a hurricane's coming, duck and cover. Hey y'all, maybe a hurricane's coming,

buy three bags of ice and put them in your freezer. Heard of numbers? Heard of numbers? Heard of numbers? Heard of colors? Heard of, I don't know, shapes?

Why do we have to ascribe them names? Because then, guess what? It gets real complicated. 30 seconds. Because then we have people walking the earth

and they have to fucking know, like, do you know how difficult that was for my mother not that my mother was the trauma of hurricane katrina that many people that actually went through real bad things but didn't didn't feel good for my mother when that was happening and katrina did not deserve that no katrina did and i'll say something here hurricanes don't like you in general but when you get personified it sort of gives you this like human nature that gives you more credit and i don't want to i don't like you in general. But when you get personified, it sort of gives you this like human nature that gives you more credit. And I don't want you to have any credit, Hurricanes.

I don't think so, honey. You're all your names. And that's one minute. I love that. You know what I mean? I totally know. Why do they need names? And I would like any readers or palpuses out there

that are meteorologists to sort of let me know why they need names. I couldn't tell you. I think it is just for like organizational or you know what? No. No. You know what? I'm coming to the conclusion right now. It's the media wanting camp. Yes. Them naming

didn't we just have one named Elsa? Yeah. Elsa. On the nose. She's in culture right now. They didn't just name it Elsa for no reason. You're going to tell me that Frozen hadn't come out in the last 10 years, whatever, that we were going to name this specific hurricane Elsa? No.

It's camp. It's camp. So I did look this part up. Oh. So there's people that have a job and they're meteorologists and they get together at the top of the year and they decide on the names. They decide on... Isn't that so stupid?

Like, what is this? Fucking, like, Cosmopolitan magazine? Like, what? What is this, Cosmopolitan? We gotta do an editorial meeting about the names. And then they pick Henri. Flops. Get out of here.

Get out of here. No, you're right. Why isn't there this nomenclature for earthquakes or wildfires or, like, any other natural disaster? It just doesn't feel right to me. It feels weird. It's, like, also, like, I don't know. We're already scraping the bottom of the barrel with Henri. It's like, we're running out of names.

Do they reuse names? Like, I guess at a certain point, they're going to have to. That's how we're getting to Henri. And you know what I mean? Like, there's going to be more hurricanes going forward, hashtag climate report. So now, if you're telling me that we're at Henri now, what the fuck is next?

Yeah, why can't we make, even if it's the same name, why can't we put in parentheses the year? Yeah. Parent Trap 1997. Thank you. Why can't we do that? Why can't we? Why can't we do that? I just don't like the names of it all. I feel like, I feel bad for the people that have those names. I feel bad

too. But to be a fly on the wall in that meeting, like you know someone's being like, just like tugging their hair behind their ears, being like, I'm going to say it, Elsa. Sorry about Elsa. Oh yeah, should we ruin this thing for kids? What if that's a really bad one? Oh my God, I hadn't even thought about that.

What if it's a really bad one? We've been saying it, but actually putting it together with a name that actually not means something to me, but like I actually like I have a relationship to because we all know the movie from then yes whoa okay like imagine like if you were

hurricane Jafar yeah hurricane Jafar enough I'm saying like and also just like imagine being the flop in the room it's like okay I have a list

Tara and they're like no yeah okay I have another idea um Sarah no no

and then the fucking whoever it is is like, what about Henri? And they're like, ooh, yeah, girl. Ooh, yeah, Henri. But like, what if they're all like, maybe this is their fun. Like, what if they're all just like, they're like, hey guys, all right, we're going to my house. I'm bringing the edibles. We're going to order Papa John's. Let's take a dive.

Like, what if we're thinking about this in the wrong way? What if they're like, Elsa? And everyone's like, whoa. The job is already fun enough for them. They get to send balloons up to the sky. They get to stand in front of a green screen. The job is already fun. They get to stand in front of a green screen.

They get to be wrong, and no one's mad about it. Exactly. They really do have a low stakes job. They don't need to have this extra fun thing. Show off their personality. Maybe stumble on a word here or there. And we love it. And we love it.

And we love it. But you know, I think you're really onto something. Thank you so much. Sister, Egot Potential. Thank you, Queenie. Wow. Queenie. You said I have Egot Potential.

Speaking of Egot Potential, we might have someone ticking one off that fucking list. No, it's not going to happen. The Emmys are in weeks. All right. So speaking of this fish, it's actually Bowenmys are in weeks um all right so speaking of this fish it's actually bowen's turn to do i don't think so honey do you have something i have something i love to hear it this is actually very pertinent to us wow everyone in this room pertinent to us all even you over there i look at derek hd head all right this is bowen yang's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey 14th floors okay you're not getting away from the fact that we're on the 13th and you're

not making me feel any better about the fact that we're on the 13th floor and that something bad will happen a ghost is gonna come out the fucking vents and haunt us no i'm gonna be possessed by a demon when i walk out this building because I'm on the 14th floor with all these lovely people and when I'm staying in a hotel on the 14th floor, you're not pulling one on me, okay?

Patronizers. You're a patronizer. Oh! And I don't think someone even me subscribing to 13 superstitions we learned nothing from Taylor Swift that woman has embraced the number 13 and look how

her life turned out she's doing great beautifully and look if the girls are going to be girling then let us girl and not have to worry about the number 13 or if it has any actual significance I've never had a bad Friday the 13th in my goddamn life. And that's one minute.

The way you said that, I have to say. I so agree. Because let me tell you, the most fun elevator in the world, the Tower of Terror. Tower of Terror. She gets up on the 13th floor and drops you all the stories, honey. And let me tell you something. If you haven't watched the Disney Plus series, Behind the Attraction, you're missing out, hun.

Because they get into the Tower of Terror in a way that is a gag. And they have 13 floors on that. And that's the best building in the world. There you go. Wow! Most iconic building in the world.

Oh my god. The conviction you had with that was absolutely beautiful. most iconic building most iconic building of structure amazing wow shit the conviction you had with that was absolutely beautiful it was so right why pretend well you know

I like that I was able not to give myself credit but I like that I was able to balance like 13 like but like you're reminding us that 13 is an unlucky number

and I just want us to like disengage disengage Meredith Marks Meredith Marks disengage disengage also can I say something Meredith Marks disengaged. Disengaged. Also, can I say something?

Who said that 13 was unlucky? Who said? It feels Christian to me. It's very Christian. Is it? Absolutely. I feel Catholic. Tell us.

I can't confirm or deny, but I will say, there's something deep within my trauma from Catholic school that is going absolutely this. Yes. I had a visceral reaction to when you brought up that and

put it into the narrative. And I'm saying, yep. It has to have those ties. I don't know how to describe it, but I'm like, who said that their own 13 was unlucky? And then I'm like, I blame the Christian faith. I blame Christianity. Yes. Among many other

things. Yes, I blame it for all. For all. Jan, before I forget, you have to know, and I'm sure you're sick of hearing this, but on set, all we say is not this. We even do the hand tucking the hair back. We do it.

We've studied it. Thank you. It's an important film. It's an important film. It's like Citizen Kane of three-second films. Thank you. You know,

that was literally my introduction to Cameo i was filming a video to go hey y'all i'm on cameo right now i gotta show you yeah everyone go to my cameo right now you'll literally see the the full length feature film of not this into my introduction for cameo and i'm like spring chicken like just so excited like hey everyone like after i was like not this not hi everyone i'm on cameo now like just not this not this i really literally we we watched it about 40 times the other day thank you find i challenge the publicist to find two more a more powerful pair of words just not this two words to the fireworks on a tuesday i thought i didn't know what it was but it's like accompanied by a short little scream and i was like oh no yeah yeah yeah yeah it because because everyone anytime that it like it resurfaces on

like of course on the internet like every now and again yes every time without fail it's like is everyone okay like are people getting shot out there? And I'm like, it's literally fireworks, but like, I totally get it. Because it's like, ah! Like, it's horrifying. It's a blood curdling scream. I'm on the fifth floor of a building. I'm in the corner, honey.

Like, that was like, I heard it, okay? Yeah. It's loud. The microphone on my iPhone 9 at the time picked it up the scream people forget about the scream i never will i really haunted me amazing oh my god wait jen you're gonna love um behind the attraction because i know you're a disney gay yeah i have not watched you have okay oh my god that's what i'm gonna go do. You know, I came back today and I said, Ani, we're doing it. We're going to order Olive Garden.

And we're going to enjoy it. I'm going to watch some of that. I'm going to watch Potomac. You're going to love it. Potomac. Yeah. I'm not going to go off on a Potomac. Because honestly, and I am obsessed.

Well, we can talk about it after. I am obsessed. Thank God. With that this is turning into a house podcast. But like not in an unorganic way. It is culture. It's been gradual. Look, I'm one of those audience ciphers

for people, the stand-in for the person who's like, I don't watch househouse. I didn't until two years ago, and now I'm fully like, oh yeah, I'm invested. I mean, we wouldn't be talking about it if it wasn't good. So just, you know, we know that there are still people. Someone actually tweeted at us.

It's not that I don't like Housewives, or it's not that I don't like that Las Culturistas is turning into a real Housewives podcast. I just needed them to acknowledge that it was turning into a real Housewives podcast. And now I'm satisfied. And now I will actually consider watching it. I'm like, that's perfect.

A beautiful journey. Also, it's's like you know what here's the deal if other culture were as good right now I'd be talking about it a lot of it isn't a lot of it isn't

if Lorde had come a little harder on this album come on I'm sorry and guess what guess who loved the first two Lorde albums

me we all did but girl this one was not the one there's some good stuff on it I don't want people to write it off so quickly some good stuff you know what i will say is a great album our sister ben platt put out a great album singing down singing down as always singing

down way to go sister down and here's our other sister yes we can't wait for this i don't think so honey she's done it before. God created. God created. This is Jan Sports' I Don't Think So, Honey, and our time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, children crying on planes. Thank you. I can't do it. I was on seven flights in the last four days. And you know what?

Screaming kid on all of them. And you know what? Kids love them. I'm sure they're so lovely off the plane. Parents, I don't know how you do it. You are wonderful superheroes of this earth who are actually raising children in this time. However, I do not like it

when I am trying to S-L-E-E-P after a show that ended at four and my plane is at 6 a.m. I do not like it. And a sidebar, I don't think so, honey, to the people on Twitter telling me that I shouldn't be angry about kids crying on planes. Do you enjoy that soundtrack? I certainly do not.

15 seconds. And you know what? I'm allowed to say that I don't. It's okay that I don't. I love kids outside of the thing. Can't wait to be an uncle one day. Yeah, say that. But I do not like them crying

and as a kid who was a crier I can say that you're taking it back were you a crier? of course I was I'm a Gemini, two Pisces from a young age bitch

I'm an emotional deep bot many sides, many layers and bratty as hell as a kid too like it's it's but just correct were you only child no i have two younger sisters got it plane crier though um your day i don't think i wrote that on your plane when i was younger um but i would imagine so i have like really weird again with the sinuses like i remember specifically i think my first trip to dis World, again, full fucking circle. Full circle.

I remember flying into Orlando, screaming my ears off in orange pants that became zip-up shorts. And just bawling my eyes out because my eardrums hurt so bad. They were no joke. Kids' ears on planes, were you sensitive to that? I was not, but my sister was. I remember being at that age and being like, I get why kids cry on planes were you sensitive to that i was not but i my sister was i i remember being at that age being like i get why kids cry on one and one thousand i get it as i've aged i get it less that's the irony i'm like i don't i don't empathize with that anymore i don't like you like don't come on the plane if it's gonna hurt you because i think when you're a little kid it's

like you know when you're a little kid and like everything is a big deal. Yeah. Being on a plane, of course, you think you're going to be on the one that crashes. Oh, I still think I am every single time I fly. Maybe that's just something I have to figure out with my psychiatrist. But like I'm in the same. No, no, no. It's just self-selection bias. Like human beings do it. It's like you're like, I will be the exception.

And my case will be like the edge case. And like, yeah. But when you're a kid, everything's a big deal. And so you may be like, you understand why another kid is feeling a specific strong way. Yes, but as an adult, you're right. It's like, all I want to do is turn to them

and be like, I gotta be honest with you. It's not that big of a deal. It's not that big of a deal. And like, you are being too much. And like, you'll be embarrassed about this later. Like, you will. Yeah, can I be honest? And that's a worse emotion

than what you're going through right now is the shame and embarrassment you will feel embarrassed about this later. Like, you will. Yeah. Can I be honest? And that's a worse emotion than what you're going through right now is the shame and embarrassment you will feel later for the way you're acting right now. You're going to look back

on this and you're going to have learned. Talking to a toddler. Yeah. You're going to learn from this baby. you think you feel bad now? Yeah.

Until you realize that this was a fucking show that no one wanted to see. Whoa. Imagine a toddler. Bad reviews. Bad reviews. Imagine you,

either of you, saying that to a toddler and the toddler going, thank you so. Bad reviews. Imagine you, either of you saying that to a toddler and the toddler going, thank you so much, mama. Thank you, mama. Like, just like,

like someone, like a toddler taking it. Imagine just a kid being like, I would not care if I'm a mom. Like, it's like, yes, it's their actual mom thanking mama.

But it's like, I want to see a kid and it would not freak me out. This would probably freak some people out for a kid to be like emotionally mature or whatever. Yeah.

I want a kid who's just like okay you're right you know what you're right yeah you know what i am i mean too much stops immediately immediately and then the kid goes to you and they go it's crazy right like i'm acting insane like i'm so sorry that would be i'm embarrassed i'm embarrassed oh my god oh my god i'm sorry sorry sorry no not even not even like shame not even like apologizing just be like bitch you're right I'm fucking insane sorry ignore me ignore the rest of the trip

get to what most is like oh my god remember five minutes ago yeah like we'll send a viking name girl like half a bike do you want to split yeah

or half a zanny just like half a zanny girl now we're good take one little ribbon off oh my god oh my god

but wait literally quickly put some comic thoughts on the season. Give us 60 seconds on that. Absolutely incredible. The girls are at the top. I think Karen Huger is a national treasure. Yes, thank you. She will win the war.

She will win the war. And if you think it's not a war, it's a war. This is the season where Giselle and Karen is coming to a head. And Giselle went too far for me this week. And you too, Robin. Death to all of them I but can I actually say the hottest take about this and I'm still on Karen's side Giselle wasn't wishing

death on right but it doesn't matter that's what Karen thinks and she should be able to apologize for it and that is where the drama starts I and you know that Karen at the end of this season was like,

oh, the girls are coming for me. But you know what? I'm the last word in this fucking promo right now. The Grand Dame will never be duplicated, imitated, or intimidated. She was pissed.

I got it. I don't want to say it because it will be competition for me. But she came on that bitch mad as hell this is what you've done here's the thing too the Wendy of it all I believe that it's okay

is Wendy going too far right now in terms of self love you know maybe on Brass Tacks face value yes she's feeling herself and it's different than it was last year she watched herself on TV after she had postpartum and she's like, and she was like, I want to reinvent myself.

And she is fully entitled to do that for them to say for Robin to use the word loose. And then for Giselle to say you had substance last year. This year you don't have substance was purely hurtful. They're jealous. They've gone too far. And for Giselle to literally round robin be like here's what's fucked up about you you you and then she turns to robin her own best friend and says no one wants to marry unattractive and robin's too fucking dumb to

see that giselle will do that to her she'll still fuck to her every single time and then for a queen icon of scala to be like well what about your fucking life and then giselle says we're not talking about it because there's trolls at the table. No, hun. You're actually going to answer any question. Absolutely. She thinks she's better than everyone.

But let's just, you said something in that last statement, which is the Queen Escala. Thank you. She will be, you know, I don't know if they'll bump it up to eight, but they need to get that girl in the mix.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our apologies, dude. She should be holding. Our apologies, dude. Ernest. Ernest. Dropped in to herself. Yeah, mama.

Wait, we're recording this on Sunday. I can't wait to see what Ascala gets into tonight. I was listening to the last episode, just like, when she gets her confessional, when she gets her confessional, we're gonna scream. We're gonna scream. I'm telling you, they better give her hair.

They better be getting her beat down. I wanna see her fucking give it because you know she can give confessions. Because she doesn't need to blow up. She already is coming in

and being like, oh, I'm actually in designer head to toe. I'm actually stunning. She's beautiful. Yeah. And if you go back and watch the early seasons like Giselle's

whole thing was like the reason she butted heads with Karen was because Karen was like Potomac is a place of etiquette and Giselle was like I don't care about etiquette and now Giselle is like all of a sudden protective of like all these stupid bullshit she's a gatekeeper she's a bully she's a natural bully

and bullies need lackeys and she has one and Robin I think is too depressed and too she's a natural bully and bullies need lackeys and she has one and Robin I think is too depressed and too she is just too sad to stick up for herself and I'm just like the fact that Giselle was able to turn around on Robin and then come for her and say those things to her

she insulted her she really insulted her in front of people I'm heartbroken for Robin this season. And you know what the thing is? It's so sad. The wildest thing is I was like, honey, I've never related to you more. Yeah, sure.

Not getting out of bed until 4 p.m. Oh, my God. Diva, same. Yeah. And I'm like, it's sad because I just like, I'm nervous about the chair for her. I'm nervous about the spot on the show. If she loved herself, she would stick up for Giselle. And guess what?

That would be a storyline. She would stand up to Giselle, rather. Yeah, I feel I love her. I've been a Robin. I loved her since day one. I think that she's just so pure and genuine. But I'm nervous for her this season. Well, Wendy is not going to let this go.

No. Wendy is going gonna let this go. No. No. Wendy is going to pop. Y'all, we are in a renaissance right now. She's wasted. Salt Lake in three weeks. And Beverly Hills, as good as it is, it is so, we are in

a renaissance. It's a great time. It's a great time to watch. The golden era of the real Housewives. And this is why I'm saying it's a great time to get on board with the Brooke Ashley. Yes. I don't know her. I gotta look her up. She's great.

She's excellent. She has a beautiful smile, and she's just got great energy, and she doesn't like a single cast member on any of the franchises. Amazing. But she loves Escala. She loves Escala. She does. She is.

Real fees real. She's like- Real eyes, real eyes, real eyes. She loves a Scala. She is. Real fees real. She's like, she's like, realize, realize, realize. She basically starts every Potomac Review being like, now you know, I can't stand most of the women

on this cast, but it is my favorite franchise. But then she said, they need to give a Scala a spot on the main cast. Yes. Yes. She will be,

she will be getting one. This is the thing about a Scala and this connects with Robin and Giselle and like, here's the thing. She's Robin's friend. Yeah. She's not, she's aware of like the allyship with Robin and Giselle. And, like, here's the thing. She's Robin's friend. She's not, she's aware of, like, the

allyship between Robin and Giselle. She's not afraid to call Giselle out on her shit. Nope. Like, our apologies due is a perfect example of that. Our apologies due? Just even that phrasing. So perfect. Loved. Just like, how dare she show up and be the most beautiful at that dinner, too. Yes. I was like, ugh. And the best

part is that even though she's Robin's friend, she's on everyone's side. Everyone is a fan of that one. Yeah, literally. And we are all, she's the rising star of this season. I saw her at that dinner and I screamed Audrey Hepburn. I literally screamed Audrey Hepburn. I was like, what the fuck? Her chic hair.

Yeah. Her like jacket. The bone structure were like thin nose, like great face. We need to have her on. We need to have her on. We need to have her on. She's the next parv. She's the next parv. Wow, I mean, this app.

Wow, could you have asked for anything more? I could not have. We talked about Gaga, talked about Drag Race, talked about Housewives. Talked about life. Talked about the pursuit of dreams. Of dreams. Yeah.

And I think, I think, I think we're going to be following this one until the end of time. Yes. All the way to Broadway. Girl, what's next? And beyond.

I want to like do like TV and movies. Yeah. And Broadway. Yeah. That's what, and I'm loving traveling. I'm loving doing stuff like with, you know,

seeing the kids at the club and having fun yes yes and i'm doing some music with like me and with stephanie's child nice it's like a movie which was great amazing just i'm like honey i want to just drop it into every single like basket that i can yep because i'm like you know what i've been playing this hand of just like i gotta stay focused on this one thing right now, which is Drag Race. And I'm like, you know what? That door's shut right now. Let's just have fun and see what lands.

And you know what? Why can't it all? Like, let's just have fun and go for it. You did so amazing with the platform and also just knowing you from the very beginning, like we could not be more proud. Like seriously, to say that we knew you when and like not a surprise

at all impact literally same like i've i like remember just like years ago just all of us just like being out just like not having a clue like where anything would go and like so proud of both of you and like your careers are just like booming it's like so excited to see like the two of y'all just like like not even bubbling like y'all are at a full fucking simmer right now, bitch. Like y'all are really doing the damn thing. And it's so exciting. The three of us were at a rolling boil,

honey. Yeah. We're at a rolling boil. It's y'all are just amazing. And I can't wait to like, see what y'all do next. I can't wait to see the movie. Just y'all are just so nice and so good.

And I'm, I'm just so excited for both of y'all. Jan, come on. Thank you so much, mama. Thank you so much, mama. Thank you so much, mama.

We received that. We received that. Thank you so much, mama. What is the song? I think I have one. Okay. We all crowd when I'm filming out.

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