Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Britney Episode" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: February 10, 2021

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Oh, yeah. Las Culturistas. wow is that culture yes goodness wow las culturistas here we go you are well i hope you are what's going on right now you two where are we both in a little dip should we acknowledge this and be up front i have been anxious all day and i literally don't know why i do why why do you know why well i oh it's so stupid i just i feel tell me now i feel like we're at the time of the pandemic where like i i don't talk to a single person that is doing well and it's just it's it's hard to like it's hard to make yourself feel good when everyone around you feels bad. You know what I mean? You get this?

I get this. You're so right. And I hadn't thought of it that way before. My sister's so wise. Well, you know, you might call me the wisdom. You are the wisdom. I call you that all the time. But aren't you doing relatively okay?

Like, yes, but then there's little things. You are the wisdom. I call you that all the time. But aren't you doing relatively okay? Like, yes, but then there's little things. I just feel like it's a very inactive time right now, it being the winter. I can't imagine. And I'm saying this in Los Angeles. Meanwhile, you're in New York where it's absolutely covered in snow. You do not understand the luxury that is to be able to drive 15 minutes to Griffith Park.

Not even five. Not even five. And then you go on a gorgeous hike up through those hills. You can even go behind one or two hills and look at the San Gabriel Valley. Oh my God. What a life

in L.A. I've forgotten my roots. That's what it is. I'm disconnected from my touchstones that keep me grounded and tethered really to, to earth. But no, it's not a big deal. It's, I'm just thinking to myself, like, why do I do that? Like I'm the kind of person that I really absorb other people's stuff and, um, it ends up dictating my experience um and i girl i don't know what queen empath queen but yeah it's just it's just something i've been thinking about a lot because

i just feel like it's a time in the pandemic when no one is like um feeling happy also honestly i think i've just like the week has been a lot like after the accident, I still don't have a car. You know what I mean? I'm still just like sitting here and not really doing much. And I haven't been able to go out and like buy groceries. And I was doing very good with cooking for myself and et cetera. It's just like a weird lullish time in the pandemic. Yeah. And I think what happens when you're not doing much and you have an addiction to social media is you're on it a lot. So I will say. And it ain't good right now.

It's not like we're living in a great time of social media either. No. And it actually sort of brings me to a piece of culture I feel we should discuss, which is the Britney of it all. And I watched the Britney documentary. And I think this is one of the reasons why I was in a funk. Like I watched the Britney documentary and I think this is one of the reasons why I was in a funk. Like I watched the Britney documentary. It was devastating.

And in watching it, I felt a lot of like, I think like personal responsibility is the wrong way to say it, but I felt like we have not been there for her as a, as a people that she gave so much to. And I thought to myself, and of course I had to take to twitter and i was like you know in watching i tried to say in so many words in watching the britney

spears documentary it's so clearly that this is to me anyway this is about so much more than just her it's about a misogynist and sexist culture that would basically for so many years sort of try to condition us to make us feel like the suffering of these celebrities and really mainly these women is funny and like you know like we were cultured by like late night and tabloid culture to think there was entertainment value in this type of thing and so i tweeted that something to that extent. And like a lot of the responses I got were like, yeah, duh. And it's like, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. And it just became this ugly thing.

Well, people are just, people online are just so mad. About why, that they're mad that you like, even the reminders of that reality that you are already aware of way before this documentary came out, that you don't sort of like vocalize that every day as if it's an implicit truth like for i mean but it's i don't care for people who say duh like i don't understand what the conversational rhetorical like use of that is to be like yeah we've all known that it's like i well then good for fucking you i'm sorry i'm being this no no no literally this because one thing i

was entertaining as my i don't think so honey later was people that are like well i never thought it was funny what was happening with britney spears like good for you i cannot believe that someone would take this opportunity to show how they've always been a better person than everyone else it's like we're just pointing out that the culture like was set so that we like enjoyed the downfall of these celebrities it's been like that for a very long time i know i'm not breaking any news i'm just pointing it out what the documentary illustrates and people are just like they need so desperately to like let you all know well but well i was i always thought it was horrible what they did to britney spears good for you i'm sorry no that's pathetic and you know you know what that

does that's also buying into like stupid individualist nonsense where it's like it that you think it's important that you were exceptional in whatever way of thinking to be like well this what you're saying has no value or importance because i am the exception that that doesn't take away from the fact that this is a society that this has been like there was a societal project to ruin britney spears's life absolutely and i think like and but it's it is it is i'm sorry it is individualism over collectivism where it's like it doesn't fucking matter what your individual like responsibility as a person is like you you're not changing anything any outcome uh as it relates to some collective issue that's all it is like i don't care that you always thought that what we were doing to Britney Spears is fucked up. This documentary exists in spite of that.

Right. And we are reacting to it. And I think it's number one case that it makes is that this is misogyny, period. Like, this is just what we did to this girl, this superhuman talent who was willing to give and give and give from the time she was nine, ten years old on Star Search. She was being asked questions by Ed McMahon. Did you get to watch the doc? Yeah, I watched the whole thing.

Ed asks, sir, do you have a boyfriend? Yeah. Like, it's truly wild, wild, wild. And honestly, and you and I talked about this over FaceTime yesterday. Like, and you said something

I think that is brilliant which is anyone who worked in media in like the year 2000 let's say like 2000 to 2008 2009 should just no longer work in media yeah i just think they should be replaced if you're diane sawyer if you're fucking matt lauer obviously or like jay leno or like any of those people who like truly like went after this woman or like took the pot shots at the time when it was such low-hanging fruit like you should go fuck yourself I I honestly ever since the Connie Chung thing and even before that I'm like I don't know about that fucking Diane fucking Sawyer because you and I have even talked about that moment in the interview when Brittany basically says like there's power in masturbation right she says she the words she used were she feels that

masturbation is a sacred thing that she doesn't want to that she feels like a power in it and a pleasure in it and Diane looked at her like she had three heads and was like you think it's sacred and you can see in that moment Brittany sort of sink into herself and she said oh just kidding i i think i'm confused i i'm embarrassed and she like moved it along and then like what's also explored in the documentary is how basically diane sawyer is cornering britney in that interview being like yeah what did you do to Justin Timberlake to make him so upset? Because it was just, and we can talk about Justin at length, but the media basically really sided with him with no evidence, but his own testimony, his own obviously biased

testimony. And when you watch the whole whole documentary it's clear they had been out to get her from the beginning because people were uncomfortable with her expressing sexuality in the way that she did and connecting with young girls in the way that she did who hadn't really had someone like that um to speak specifically to this generation because the thing about britney spears is she is our generations. You can even say millennial generations answer to generation X's Madonna and Janet Jackson. You know what I mean? There was not a sexually forward figure like that.

And she happened to be young and, you know, selling a sexy image. And I think people were so offended and triggered by that. It's not even that we were uncomfortable we were always comfortable we were always overly comfortable or even just we were dictating what her sexuality should be by being like oh let's ask her about her tits when she's fucking 18 and younger we were like she did like she found her her little cracks in the veneer to like express herself sexually but it was also this thing where like we were the ones who fucking chipped at it because we kept like making jokes about her boobs or her virginity and all this stuff

yeah so it's it's not even that like we it was a reactionary thing it's that we like as a society we're so fucking interrogational about her existence as like a really confident performer and an attractive performer and someone who like could be like very commanding physically it's like you know god i like watched back like the pepsi ads from the super bowl like you know 20 years ago at this point and it's like god britney spears was a fucking dynamo and like jackson level choreography like dancing and like had that quality where you just like lost your mind when you saw her like pop out on stage at that time you know what i mean absolutely i mean there was before britney for our generation and there was after britney and I say this sometimes on the podcast and I believe you have a similar experience but I remember the day she impacted like I remember yeah there was a day where baby one more time was not in the culture and the next day I remember I

distinctly remember walking into third grade and it was like have you seen Britney Spears we love Britney Spears like Britney Spears is the best and I was like wait you seen britney spears we love britney spears like britney spears is the best and i was like wait hold on who is britney spears and at that time you couldn't just go home and like on the internet up you know what i mean like you had to i remember i had to beg my parents to let me put on mtv because i was not allowed to watch that because i knew they weren't playing around vh1 i was like please like you don't understand like there's a singer that i have to know in order to fit in like it got to that point and they were like and i remember my uncle was like oh i've seen the britney spears video you'll it's really something else and i was

like i need to see it and then when because it was this there was a demand for her the day like it was it was so instant that and and i think that our generation hadn't really experienced anything like that like yes with the spice girls um but there were so many of them and also with boy bands there were so many people involved like that sounds silly but a targeted fixation on one individual had not really happened yet for our generation. And you're right. Like it took my sister to bring home a CD of Baby One More Time, the album. Like I didn't know who she was until the album came out. You know what I'm saying?

But then I remember I have the fullest sense memory of being in my living room in our house in canada and just like putting in the cd and being like oh my god this is the best thing i've ever heard in my life yes oh absolutely i mean even the like besides like soda pop sometimes sometimes yep email my heart like that album oh bring never forget. Britney was cultured. In their diary, the day I saw that boy, and I kind of thought he smiled at me. She was, no one had ever been like that.

No. And I remember it was like, I don't even think I knew what she looked like until I got to the record store and walked up to the new releases and picked up the album and the CD. And then weren't you like,

she's the prettiest girl? I was like, she's so pretty. I was like, oh, she's like super cute and she's exactly as pretty as everyone said she would be. And then you turn on, you hear boom, boom, boom, and the world changed.

Yeah. I mean, that was the moment. Was Britney's only placement in the top 200 moments number 200? No, there had to have been more. 200 is when Britney said, good morning, America. Well, that's...

You know what? We might have to do a new list. We might have to do... For our 250th episode, we might have to do top new list we might because because we might have to do for our 250th episode we might have to do top 250 moments that didn't make it because it's just getting to be ridiculous how many things we've missed because what should be on the list is that just that sound should be on the list yes um and maybe maybe maybe we can have doug put it in right here can you just put the sound the from the britney song right in right here. Can you just put the sound from the Britney song in right here? Great. I'm so happy we heard it.

And now all you're thinking about is that fucking song in the music video, the fucking little puffs in her ponytail, pigtails. Yes. But you know what else is interesting? The amount of time where she was super dominant, which was like 98 to 2004 or 5, up through In The Zone like before it got kind of weird with her being consumed

by the paparazzi and everything when she was just truly untouchable. Everyone's favorite. Yeah. It felt like 20 years but was only like 6. It was only 6. You know what I mean?

It was like 9 because Baby One More Time was 99 or 98. Oh no. Baby One More Time was 99. 99. And then Oops I Did It Time was 99 or 98. Oh no. Baby One More Time is 99. 99. And, and then Oops I Did It Again was 2000.

Yeah. That makes sense because that was the, that was also at the same time when the Backstreet Boys put out the Millennium album. Right. So this was like the, the Millennium was a huge, like, like timestamp.

Well, cause back then it was, cause it really was like once a year there would be a new britney album and i was like truly even as a kid getting used to this cadence of once a year there's going to be a britney spears album and it's going to be so it's going to consume my life because it was 99 was baby one more time 2000 was oops i did it again in 2001 was britney and i think and then in the zone wasn't until 2003 but even then i was just like, we're getting Britney consistently. And I like did not know how like, you know,

this, the industry worked. So I was just like, until I die, there's gonna be a new Britney Spears album once or once every two years, once every year or once every two years. And also like, you don't understand what it takes to have that output like now looking back it's like they probably worked that girl like a dog and i like and and she probably and you see in the

documentary that she enjoys it and likes and like has input and like yeah is part of the process of executive ability uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh and then i remember when she took her little break uh before she did in the zone because she was gonna like rebrand and come back as this you know a little bit older version of britney spears and it felt like it was a veteran returning meanwhile she had been in the industry for like four years well i mean and i mean as a huge mainstream pop act obviously she had done mickey mouse club and all that stuff but but i just remember her being so ubiquitous and at the time obviously not knowing what that meant which is that she must be working insanely hard

and the documentary just shows that i think people do appreciate the documentary showing like a moment of her being like i was not controlled from the i was not a puppet from the beginning right i really and it's like what justin tranter said too when we had them on they're like someone who like achieves like selena let's say his level of success they were they were talking about like selena gomez's level of success yeah that's not by accident that's like there's something there's some personal power in there and that artist to like know what to lean in on and i feel like you have to give credit to britney spears for knowing that herself yeah it's important to know that too in the documentary it's because of the position that she's in now where she has like no autonomy over what she's doing right and and it's it it's crazy

because what the documentary argues is that basically it went from postpartum yeah common combined with the fact that the paparazzi was out to get her and the fact it went from that to conservatorship, pretty much. Within a span of like six months? Right. Which is unheard of. Around the release of Blackout, which was like October of 2007, into the first quarter of 2008. That was when, that was like the full cycle of the conservatorship, in terms of like it sort of being talked about and then it finally happening. her in the in the dispute because like she gets this court appointed lawyer to represent her and

then she loses the the dispute and then she has to be under her father's conservatorship right do you know what i'm talking about yeah yes yes and like it's just crazy how rigged it obviously feels against her the fact that it seems like no matter what she says or does, and now she's like legally in court documents, she is saying she fears her father. She doesn't want him involved. She won't work. She won't work with him. She won't put out any new work if he's still the conservator. Right.

And she recognizes, appreciates, and supports the informed support of her fans who are the Free Britney movement, which to me means that like, there's something wrong here. And I really feel like we should be able to hear from her. And yes, you can on her Instagram and stuff. And she actually trolled today and she put out a post that was like, wow, what we've all been waiting for last week, the Super Bowl. I was rooting for both teams. Like she kind of like said something like like that and i was like yeah but britney what's going on because it's now gotten to a point where it's like it's it's it's ordinarily with a big stunt like this like whenever taylor swift pulls a stunt or like whatever it's usually whether or we can see it on face value or not in service of some sort of project or the brand

this is not so it's like her her life yeah this is for her safety sanity livelihood and so it just feels to me like there is obviously something wrong with someone being in control of her money and person who she says she she explicitly doesn't want in that role and has been saying that and then there was that weird interview with her brother where he was like you know the women in my family are very strong-willed and it's annoying or something i was like what the fuck is the deal here it's just like and where he's like you know i'm one of the few men in the family it's like no it's you and your dad who's a full fucking deadbeat who is absent for most of britney's life and trying to start off these stupid little grifty rackets or whatever the fuck and now he's like swooping back in and controlling her money and having her pay for his lawyers it's so fucked up

um that fucking lawyer who represents jamie was so stupid i can't believe she like that fucking woman who was just like um yeah uh the conservatorship is like legitimate in these ways and then she like like a week do you see like a week after that interview she like went back to represent jamie spears it's like so it's so stacked against poor britney and it's like and and yeah like but i wonder like what we like you say that we have not been there for her i agree but what do we do well to to be to be there for her and what i mean by that is like what i mean is i don't think it's possible and a lot of people were telling me i was wrong yesterday on twitter and good for fucking you sweetheart good for you but i don't think it's possible to sit here and say,

as a consumer of culture in the era of Britney Spears, as a millennial who is like a fan of pop culture, that there's not stuff to examine about the way that we've experienced, examined, discussed culture. And we literally do it on this show. And we've had to change the way that we talk a lot. I mean, when Adele came back into the scene and had lost all that weight, we said we have to change the way that we talk about, especially

women in the public eye because this has real repercussions on their lives. And I think that someone like Britney Spears, because she's just always been there and always been ubiquitous, because there's some joy in talking about her or experiencing her in any way, we all are a little brainwashed and conditioned to feel like it's okay to laugh at someone who's rich, or it's okay to laugh at someone who's beautiful, or it's okay to laugh at someone who's talented, who seemingly is undefeatable. But with her, it's like when she so clearly was vulnerable, it felt like it came at the perfect storm when it came to the tabloid culture. And I remember I was a big consumer of Perez Hilton because at the time when I was in middle school or high school, I did think a lot of the ways he was shitty towards celebrity was funny because something about the way that it was all framed or it just always felt like a punch up, I guess, or maybe it was just the fact that I grew up in a very toxic, patriarchal part of the world. You know what I mean? And I'm just recognizing that now,

and it's just another step of the unlearning of all of that. But I did not enjoy but participate in a narrative that was, wow, Britney Spears, what a train wreck. You know what I mean? And I think it's disingenuous to say, not me, never me. I just think that that means it's disingenuous to say not me never me like i just think that that means it's it's it's a lack of self-awareness to think you were better than all of this and that you didn't participate in this i don't know yeah i don't know it's like denying that you were a part of some large collective sentiment about something right like i don't know that that it's it's not like it's not that i'm shit it's not that it's not that like um we're saying that like oh like contrarians are that's not like a like that's like a useless stance to take but

it's like also it doesn't really undermine anything about the dominant, like feeling around something or that you sort of absolve yourself from like the consequences of that. Does that make sense? It's like, yeah, like you being like, I didn't, I never, I never like sort of fell for the whole, like Brittany, like ha ha train doesn't mean that like millions of other people did. Right. Exactly. And so it's basically just like a way to like, say you're better than everyone, which cool and great.

Good for you. I'm so happy for you. Like wonderful. Like next time there's a big polarizing issue, we'll listen to you first because you're on the right side of history about everything. But my thing is just like, like,

like millions and millions of people clearly felt conditioned by a society in, into thinking that this was an acceptable way to treat someone because she was treated that way and is in the positions that she's in now. And like, we saw it. So, so I don't think that denying that you that are, or like trying to absolve yourself from it or like take blame off of yourself or responsibility off of yourself for what happened to this person is necessarily helpful because it happened and we're dealing with it now sure sure and then i find britney

i find britney to be tragic because it's like what you were saying like and what the doc says is that her having children um coincided with the paparazzi at their sort of powers and so like it it just it just is it's just trying to imagine living a life as a new mother while having every single thing that you do be examined and scrutinized yeah is it just it must sound like hell to anyone right it has to sound like hell to anyone and so and so britney spears is tragic because she is this like person who um had to bear the brunt of like everyone moralizing around how celebrities should be um respectable presentable. But meanwhile, she was being subjected to this insane media scrutiny around being like her anatomy and her sexuality in a way

that they were not comfortable with. And it was coming from this crazy, puritanical, patriarchal, misogynistic place. I know it sounds like we're just throwing around all these adjectives, but it's like, I think it's like, it's important to, i don't think it's a it's a chicken or the egg thing i think like it starts at the fucking dirtbags who ask her

about her tits when she's fucking 18 years old absolutely i truly believe that and the reason why we're it sounds like we're throwing around these adjectives is because we now at this time have the vocabulary to talk about it this way so when the issue comes up we're gonna use that vocabulary and like like so people being like uh yeah you arrive in a little late fuck you it's like no fuck you because at least we're having the conversation because it should be had because this woman is in danger now like did you have like the vocabulary around mental health in 2007 when she was at her lowest? Like, if you did, then great. If you like, if you, we are in this new sort of baseline, we've caught up to some new baseline as a culture, thankfully, where we like understand each other when we throw words around like this. Back then, at whatever age you were,

there was no collective societal awareness around, is this woman's well-being being considered? Exactly. And I mean, you know what I was really happy that they brought up was the proximity to the Lewinsky scandal with all of this. That was really, I thought, important in terms of points that were made by the documentary because no one was sticking up for Monica Lewinsky at that time. Literally no one. And so what was happening with Britney Spears was in many ways

like a more, at least on face value, lighthearted way of shaming a woman for being sexual. Because we had it in such a dark way with Monica Lewinsky, who was only, you know, she was younger than 25 and got all of this. And it's really interesting to look at it in the frame of Britney Spears, because britney spears was like you know obviously bubblegum pop and she sort of got like what was weirdly enough like in comparison to monica lewinsky like a bubblegum pop version of misogyny where it wasn't like fuck this whore monica lewinsky she is a harlot look at her with her raven hair and her you know she obviously stomped in there and she knew what she was doing it was like a light-hearted misogyny of so what's up with your boobies like and and

like then her sorry but going on snl and the monologue joke being her tits moving around you know what i mean like all these things and like you hear the late night jokes and it's it's weird it's it's weird and it would never happen now so So it is important to call it out now and understand that that is the root of all this. Because when we talk about Britney Spears now, what we all have to understand is that we have been as a society conditioned to speak not just about women, but specifically about her in a certain way. And there is remnants of that when we talk about her now so when you say the words britney spears to many many millions of people the first thing that comes to their mind is not the free britney movement or how the how important the music was to them or the fact that she it's that she's crazy it's that she drove around with a baby on her lap and

oh my god isn't she a terrible mother? Yeah. And by the way, like watching that moment play out again on, in the doc reminded me of when 80 was on the show. And she was like, I've never related more to a celebrity than that moment because, and because she was like, fuck you. Fame is bullshit.

Right. It's destroying who I am as a person. And you guys don't have access to the person that you thought i was ever again yes and like honestly like it makes total sense it makes total sense why she would and like her getting the umbrella i'm like i think i clapped at the screen i was like that's actually incredible that she did that right because fuck that dude who they interviewed like i'm people who took issue with him being interviewed and included in the documentary the videographer

slash paparazzo who like was there at that moment that like one of her like paparazzi but like that fucking dude sucks who's just like no one if she didn't she never said to leave me alone and then they're like what about the all the times that we have on tape of her saying leave me alone. And then they were like, what about all the times that we have on tape of her saying, leave me alone. She just met for that day. Get out of here. It's truly. And honestly, that us weekly photo editor too, I was like,

you were like, he had the smugness about him too. I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no. You were part of this apparatus that like destroyed this woman's life. Yes. Do you understand? It's exactly what you said. The overarching thing is like capitalism,

like there shouldn't be a system in place where incentivizes photography to the point of a million dollar picture being a thing in paparazzi culture. Like that should not be

the like motivating engine behind all this. And yeah, here we are. But like you could have at least like stopped it there. I don't know. Yeah. And I mean,

it's exactly what you said earlier, which is it's that individual don't know. Yeah, and I mean, it's exactly what you said earlier, which is it's that individualism versus collectivism because now these guys clearly know. They clearly know that they were part of something that destroyed this woman or caused her to be in the situation that she's in now. And they will do Simone Biles-level gymnastics to fucking absolve themselves of wrongdoing it is crazy they will stop at nothing no one can just be like you know what i was wrong i and and i could

try to justify it by saying it was a livelihood and it was a good livelihood i thought we had a relationship that we didn't i didn't know i was harming whether or not that's true. Obviously they need to examine a lot about their lives if they believe that, but they should come out and say, you know what? I was wrong. And I think there are tons of people that should come out and say, I was wrong. I think that we should have a statement from Justin Timberlake. Where is Justin Timberlake's allyship for Britney Spears now? After he made his solo career off of her back, which he did. Because let's not mince words here. He had a fine

debut album. There's definitely some bops. Justin Timberlake is a talented man. He's multi-talented. But that does not just make a pop superstar in an individual capacity. He needed a narrative and his narrative was fuck britney spears who cheated on me and then he sold her out and said that she had been lying

about her virginity when he went on the radio and said that he had sex with her so that was a dirt bag move and he is culturally aging very poorly because we haven't even talked about the janet stuff and yes he did come out and say know, he did the bare minimum and said, I believe that women are, especially black women are treated differently. And, but he, he did not do enough to like try to help.

And he's certainly not saying or doing enough now for the woman who without him, he would not be where he's at. And it's fucked up. She, Brittany did not need where he's at. And it's fucked up. She... Brittany did not need Justin. Justin needed Brittany. Say that. That is

the real truth. What was that? Anyway, James. Anyway, James. This segues. That's what she said. And I... What was that? What was that? Okay. Okay. James. James. This fall on Bravo.

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You're a dude. And Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show. We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against, legends from the past. And we're just going to sit here and talk about them. And we'll get into the types of dudes. What kind of types of dudes are there, Gronk? We got studs, wizards.

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On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian.

Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami.

Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're sort of starting to talk about Wendy now. The other documentary. We need to talk about wendy now the other documentary we need to talk about justin um yeah what are your thoughts i mean we need to talk about justin and i just feel like i remember he was absolutely silent and meanwhile janet was the one who was going out was going to all these talk shows doing all like I remember like Janet Jackson like went on fucking Conan like two weeks after the whole Super Bowl happened and

I was like wait why is even as a kid I was like this is not her responsibility she does not have to clean up this mess when even as a kid I was like but we talked about it at school the next day we were like but Justin tore away the breastplate thing. He ripped her clothes off of her. And it was like part of the staging, but like he ripped her clothes off of her and then he had to he didn't answer for it at all.

Like when did he even say the whole like black women are treated differently? Like what, 20 years after the fact? Like 15 or something? He's quoted as saying, and I believe it happened right after like i the fact of the matter is like she had her historic career ended basically like in the way that it was i mean you're talking about someone who's performing the super bowl like that is the biggest moment of someone's career and very a handful of people would even be considered for that. And

because this thing that it took to to tango to execute, she was completely ruined and then that was like, you know, on the way up for him like he got huge. I mean, there was a time where he was the biggest. Meanwhile, she was wearing this like

fantastic like corsetry whatever and he is literally out there in a gray t-shirt flop like a fucking dirt colored button down like i'm sorry but that i mean that is also illustrative of something where it's like men don't have men can show up looking like fucking shit at these events these huge events that are watched by tens and tens of millions of millions of people let's just say it i mean it's because he's attractive and white he can do whatever he wants and straight forget it you know what i mean like like like this type of like sort of rat pack throwback thing he was doing let's also not ignore the fact that like not only did

he make his career off the back of Britney Spears in that narrative, but like he was doing R and B music and like, like, you know, not to say that white people can't do R and B music. I don't believe that that's true, but it felt like,

it felt like it, it felt like a more palatable version of what black artists had been doing for decades at that point. And it was just like, right. Hey, here's not to make this, this is a very lazy comparison,

but here's like a la la land jazz, Ryan Gosling doing jazz version of, I don't know. You know, it's like, here's like a white boy doing rap pack looks and then R and B sort of stylings in myings in my music. Right.

I just think he is not, he is not, it's just funny now because he is so, he's now for, he's now like dad pop. You know what I mean? Like can't stop the feeling. It's like, you know what I mean? It's very sort of like mainstream, like Ellen would play it. Not cool. mainstream like ellen would play it um not cool um but he it's just so funny to see him age poorly because now it's like if you actually look back and like really assess why he is as big as he is

like it's not great it's not the the record is is really suspect like great it's it's not great. It's not. The record is, is really suspect. Like, great. It's, it's not good. Um, and get a fucking jade roller, honey,

to lift the bags under the eyes. I'm sorry. Well, it's just so funny because like, I'm making fun of his appearance. It was never more, but no, but I'm about to too,

because it was never more apparent that he was like such a white dude when he started aging as badly as he has. Like, I'm like, the man of the woods thing, like he had to do man of the woods because he needed to justify looking like hell. Like, like curdled. He truly looks curdled now. Okay, Han says there's some awful clips from the 2018 Emmy Red Carpet where journalists are asking Jessica Biel questions and he keeps jumping in to talk for her. Okay, Han says, there's some awful clips from the 2018 Emmy red carpet

where journalists are asking Jessica Biel questions and he keeps jumping in to talk for her. Yeah, all right. Yeah, because he can't help himself. I mean, that type of person has aged poorly. You know what I'm saying? That like, hey, aren't I? I remember even like,

this is such a crazy example, specific example. This is the 2010 Emmysys and tina fey had won an emmy for 30 rock for writing for outstanding writing in a comedy television show and justin for whatever reason was presenting like justin timberlake's at the emmys shirt he's presenting for outstanding writing in a comedy television series tina fey wins and he like presents for the awards and then instead of and then as tina walks up to the mic he like but like jumps in and goes i'm gonna let you finish like does the whole kanye bit which is at that point a year old and even and as a college student it was like what are you doing

just let the woman's and then tina had to like do the whole like oh i'm taylor swift haha like yeah stop doing bits stop doing bits i mean jt as comedian was a whole thing we we gave him too much power in that moment we were like oh great he's like doing all these funny sketches with like andy samberg and he's doing all these fun bits with like he's he's a great snl host but then like you can't let the train run too wild on that one. On someone like that, who's been affirmed his entire life, you gotta pump the brakes a little bit. When he's in this new venture where you're like,

hey, maybe calm down. You know who's also a great fucking SNL host? Britney Spears. I'm so happy you said it, because I was then thinking the same thing. I was like, Britney was a gangbusters SNL host, and it's because these Disney stars, I'm so happy you said it because I was then thinking the same thing. I was like, Brittany was a gangbusters SNL host. And it's because these Disney stars, I'm waiting for Zendaya to host.

Oh, she'll be fantastic. Olivia Rodrigo someday. Mama. Yes. We need the star to come. Olivia. Olivia.

But my thing is just like, they're always like, Christina was a great SNL host too. Christina was great. And it thing is just like, they're always like, Christina was a great SNL host too. Christina was great. And it's just so funny because they're so pumped out to do that, that it's like, yes, they were great. Can we stop acting like we should put them on the goddamn cast? Like, no. Yes, yes, yes.

It's fine. People can come and be great hosts um but it actually reminded me um when we were talking about christina like just to leave the jt of it all for a second because you can't really talk about like britney at that time without talking about christina and i almost feel like the treatment that was given to britney at the time when she was like number one and christina was number two just because of the way they came out like no shade actually like christina had just as many if not more number one hits that's actually true but it felt like christina had to go so far like in like she couldn't toe the line of like i'm coy with my sexuality it's like very much here and present like she

had to be like no no i am my album is called stripped i'm in fact filthy i'm the s the the music video for dirty is about getting a yeast infection it was like i'm phil see and this is me and i love it that music video i've never seen anything please filthier and i mean that i mean that in the best oh it's absolutely holds up but the music video is truly like slimy grimy sex and it's so hot and i've never seen anything like it since nope like she did she did fully full tilt go into i'm a fucking sexual being yes and i responded to it i remember when i was younger i was like i was like oh like wow yeah for sure i'm out of the two of them i always was like not not that i actually well not that's not true because when people were were like, you team Britney or team Christina, I was always like, I'm team Xtina.

Because I just always, I really loved how hard she went for it. And I always loved the vocals. I mean, like, I'm someone that appreciates the vocals. But it was so interesting to think about Christina in watching this documentary. Because she was so like, not forced to, but it felt like she had to occupy a space that was a, that was something completely different from Brittany.

And when Brittany was made to feel like self-conscious or like her sexuality was something to be like a coy about christina was like oh there's no way and that kind of unfortunately for britney like that was probably the more like self-preserving way to go but overall christina approached her sexuality in a way that was much, much, much more confident. And Brittany's was, I'm being sexy in spite of what people expect of me. Christina's like, I don't fucking care what people expect of me. This is not,

this is not pushing back against something. This is just who I am and who I want to be. Does that make sense? Yes, absolutely. And both of them on those albums that came out at that, at those times, like obviously stripped is a huge

is literally a response to media coverage of her and so slave for you feels like lyrically literally it explores i may come off a certain way but i'm actually this yes and i'm sexual in this way and it almost makes me feel like that makes sense that slave for you came out before, before dirty, because if they were already thinking, we're going to take Christina in a more overtly sexual direction. And then Brittany came out with slave for you. They were like, all right, well, we got to get the hens from the hen house. We got to get pigs in here we got to make sure that everyone's who can spit in someone else's mouth in the background like it was like it was

like a petri dish mama yes yes and like because because they were in competition with each other meanwhile you got jessica simpson over there being like jesus christ is one of my best friends. Like, why? Oh my God. I just have to say, there was a period of time, even in college, like 2000,

I mean, it was end of high school into college, but 2007 into like 2011 when F fatale came out that i was that britney was my number one even even before gaga wow at the time it's you know what's funny like that that through line is very followed it's like britney gaga for people it's really funny but even but even for me it was like um was just that, like me having this loyalty to her because of all she had been through. Yeah. And I, and I was following the conservatorship bullshit when blackout came out.

Cause I was like, this is an incredible album. Even in high school, I was like, I would like turn to my, my, my friend, Emily Nepper.

And I'd be like, wait, this album is incredible. Every song is amazing. What's going on. Isn't it so sad that she's going through what she's going through? She can't promote it.

The give me more video is whatever. And then like that summer piece of me came out or that winter piece of me came out and then she won the VMA. But I was just following her life so closely. I was on the message boards. I would never post on them, but I was on breatheonme.com,

which was like the main Britney Spears, like news. I was, I'm telling you. Yeah, you were a real fan. Daily, I was following up on the on me.com which was like the main britney spears like news i was i'm telling you yeah you were a real daily i was following up on the britney news and everyone being like i remember like before femme fatale was announced it was like all of all of like the insiders are saying it's blackout 2.0 it's blackout 2.0 and that was like the like if there are fellow like britney spears fans out there of that time who can confirm this, please give a shout out on Twitter or something. Because I remember when Femme Fatale, before the title came out, everyone was like, it's Blackout 2.0.

It's like club bangers. And honestly, Femme Fatale, amazing album. Till the World Ends, Hold It Against Me, I Wanna Go. Oh, I Wanna Go is not a joke. Yeah. Is Leather and Lace on that one? Leather and i'm not like like you understand like i don't think you know this that well about me no i know that you're a britney boy i love britney i love britney so much what's your favorite music video go oh i mean i think her i think one of the best music

videos of all time is toxic one more time oh no toxic i think that toxic is one of the best pop songs of all time i think it's one of the best music videos of all time i will never going just going era by era i think like i loved obviously baby one more time is baby one more time and it is synonymous with pop perfection and it is synonymous with the birth of britney and then moving forward i loved off oops i did it again i would listen to lucky all the time i love lucky in fact when we used to do like henry nights at at um yeah i would sing lucky all the time i I love lucky. Lucky needs like a Renaissance. Lucky needs a Renaissance. That music video.

Just so good. Her hair in that music video as lucky. And I remember, I remember that was when I was at the age. It was nine years old. Radio Disney was the shit we did. It was, it was still terrestrial radio times and would listen to that.

Didn't know how to buy it offline where parents wouldn't let us buy the CDs because they were like, Britney Spears is too sexy. Even like growing up. But like my sister snuck in or somehow convinced my parents to buy Baby One More Time.

We did not have the second album. Did not have Britney. In the Zone we bought in China and then blackout i bought on my own because i was in high school by then but anyway yes lucky okay keep going so for then going forward it's like my favorite album of her i i kind of didn't love britney the album like i just thought it was it was not the first two but that being said like there's great stuff on there but my favorite britney album when i of that time of her in the

zone was in the zone i mean for me i loved breathe on me i loved touch of my hand touch of my hand i loved i even outrageous i loved outrageous i loved um what i got that boom boom i got outrageous outrageous was supposed to be um the fourth single or the single that ended up getting cut. The single that was supposed to be out after Every Time. Which Every Time, incredible music video.

Must extrav. Must tap and spree. Tap and spree. We on a world tour. Oh my God. Wait. Didn't we used to say that when we would go on tour?

We would be like, we on a world tour. We on a world tour. Outrageous. Oh my God. Yes. That song was so good. And obviously, Toxic is on that world tour. Oh my God. Yes, that song was so good. And obviously, Talk Sick is on that one, and I love that.

And also, that has Everytime. I'm telling you, the music video for Everytime, Britney, it's her most artistic sort of filmic music video, but she's giving you a really fucking good performance. Yeah, she was great. She's acting in it.

So hot in that video too in the zone incredible album top to bottom truly that was that was like imperial phase britney to me yeah and i'll never forget that cover with that like blue pink like it was like i just like and i also loved it because it felt like she was the most excited like it felt like she had taken the time to like by the way this is the britney episode and that might be the time i love that this is the britney episode yeah yeah um but for me it's like that aesthetic that confidence and then when i remember the first single was obviously me against the music which was her madonna moment and then that came with all of the bullshit with the vmas with

them kissing and stuff. And again, everyone threw everyone off. And like, that was sort of like them understanding exactly what the media was going to do. And they gave them that. And who is the provocateur original then Madonna to like,

do that with Madonna, do that with Brittany and featuring Christina, because she really got the shaft in terms of coverage on that one. Cut to Beyonce and Justin they cut to Justin but then Beyonce the next day or that week in the media was like I am disgusted I was disgusted

which we have to stand and also the fact that Beyonce was there talk about another one that's always been here Beyonce bitch but anyway like when that was Beyonce was there. Talk about another one that's always been here. Beyonce, bitch. But anyway, when that was all going down, I remember Me Against the Music, I did not love as a first single.

And then when Toxic came out, I was like, oh, forget it. The James Bond strings, the video, how many cuts there are in the video, that it's like a comic book. That song, I just remember like felt like art in a way everything if it felt like pop songs like that felt like art also i want to shout out the song don't let me be the last to know a rare britney ballad which i love and she performed that on snl

live she did but don't let me don't let me be the last to know was that was a long time ago that was oops i did it again that was oops i did it again it was not on amazon but i didn't want to i didn't want to be going through and not say that song because i do love that song and then in the later years sometimes sometimes sometimes great the music video for sometimes when they're just all in white and just like the crop tops her beach ball dancing on it mama so beautiful i mean like what that like evokes a feeling, you know? Absolutely. At the time,

you're like, this is what love is and it kind of is a beautiful love song. Sometimes I run, sometimes I hide, sometimes I'm scared of you, but all I really want is to hold you tight.

Treat me right. Be with you day and night. Beautiful song. All I need is time. Okay, also the bridge. Just hang around and you'll see

there's nowhere I'd rather be if you love me trust in me the way that I I'm like so bad today but anyway

that song was unreal and also you know what I think could be a hit right now what Stronger oh yeah

oh if she were to come out with out stronger right now i think it would kill that is a sleigh and a half i mean peppermint like with the reveal at season nine finale that was stronger right like unbelievable like it matched it almost matched i would say the like like it's like emotion like so emotional with wit like but i'm saying like they didn't match completely but it's like in terms of like huge pop songs like that like are built for moments like that like oh my god it doesn't get better than stronger it's so huge and it it's so huge you would forgive an album that only had that one hit on it

but it was like one of six oh my god unreal and then moving through time Blackout is so great for me like

I think honestly one of her better albums of all time is glory which like just came the production on glory yeah why you laugh i feel like glory between you and me and our friends has been this like punch line but actually not a joke not a joke joke. We like all keyed into, do you want to come over recently? One of the most important songs of all time. It's actually one of the most important songs of all time. And I dare, I challenge the reader right now to put on, do you want to come over by Britney Spears from the album glory?

Her latest, most recent album that came out like what, like five years ago. Now it came out in 2016. There was a re-release that came out in 2020. Right. I'm sure because it was like a money grab because she was like,

I'm not making music anymore until my dad's off the conservatorship. They're like, well, we still got to make money somehow. Yeah. Anyway, do you want to come over, put that on and walk around in a circle? And if you are not like skipping and getting your fucking life to that song

honey you ain't human they need to do that as a lip sync on drag race and you know who i think would have killed it like for some reason no the entire well yeah because she would kill everything but the entire of season 10 i was like i hope we finally get um do you want to come over as a lip sync so aquaria could do it because i think aquaria would kill do you want to come over as a lip sync? So Aquaria could do it because I think Aquaria would kill. Do you want to come over? And I bet she knows it. And on that, she knows that she a hundred percent does.

And on that album, I also really like this single, which was make me. And also this, which make me. And just, if you literally just like smoke a little weed lay on your back like and just put on the album uh glory just starting with track one invitation like the production will fuck you up

if you get some good here good good uh headphones and play the album it's really good and she is right there she's she's there and slumber party with tinashe excellent excellent and great music video actually too yeah and i i do love private show private show's fun it's it's so like it's a lot of but slumber party with tinashe like it's reminiscent of the boys music video where they're just it's a long table and like they're both like crawling towards each other it's like really fun um circus i think is fantastic circus is amazing what's your favorites on circus because there's some bops if you see k me i'm so glad they did it on drag race this season denali really really really fucking delivered i think that is one of her underappreciated music videos where she is kind of

giving you choreo it's the most choreo that she'd given more choreo than that that she'd given the circus video i would say and she's doing like fun choreo and it's just her like in this like gross house in the morning after a party but she's like giving you fun little moments and then she like gets dressed and like turns into a housewife and And then there's like little like Easter eggs where like her daughter and the end of the music video is in the baby woman time outfit. And it's like, she like has to present herself as this like all American woman. And while the paparazzi are like flashing their cameras outside.

Yeah. And she's, and she's just like, she's giving you a really good performance star quality. Like you can't teach this. Like, yeah, she's one of the best music video music video pop star actresses like she is up there yes so she's such a star i mean she's a star she's so watchable that album has one of my favorites that doesn't get talked about enough is kill the lights and also um yeah lace and leather and I love um blur is great

can't remember what I did last night everything everything is still a blur and then radar the only song to be on two different albums do you have any information on why that was I think they wanted to like make that a full single

from blackout but they were like this song is too fucking good we have to put it on circuits and then they shot a music video for where again britney's turns in a really good music video performance yeah like during the bridge where she's just like or you know she's just at like a derby or something and she's in this giant sun hat and she is like really giving it to you and i'm like what a star what a star okay sorry this it really is the britney episode okay moving on we completely we completely did not even plan talk about what britney jean which has work bitch of course i'm not skipping it but i feel like we talked about glory and i just wanted to say that and i know you love this song even though it's like a ballad. Perfume? So I waited for you to come and I tried

to act natural. Have you ever been thinking about her? About me? We need Patty Harrison to cover it. Yes, it is a Patty Harrison song. If she doesn't cover it, she's done. She's done. I mean not it's not a great album

it's probably her weakest between britney jean and fem fatale was when she did um uh scream and shout with william which is truly like a camp classic to me but it's just her in a brit in a crazy british accent chanting and that's's it. And it's a whole fucking bop. This whole era was weird. This is when she went on X Factor. This is when I started to feel like, what is going on? But it seemed like she was having fun.

I guess. It seemed like she was having fun on X Factor. I don't know. Till the world ends, there is a different cut of the music video where it's the choreography edit, the choreography cut. And it's phenomenal.

I might watch it tonight. Oh my God. It's true. That is an incredible fucking song. Britney is one of those ones where you could fall into a YouTube wormhole and just park it. Oh yeah. Park it because let the,

let the playlist guide you. Let the automated playlist guide you to park it. Yeah. it. Let the playlist guide you. Let the automated playlist guide you. Park it. Yeah, really, truly. I mean, even Britney Jean is like, if that's the weakest album, which I would agree, it still has songs that I really enjoy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, okay. And then Femme Fatale, this is the last thing I'll mention. Femme Fatale has two songs that are from um the producers of toxic she had like not worked with them until femme fatale again um how i roll and trip to your heart like excellent songs that are just like beautifully produced really like wonderful wonderful wonderful songwriting i don't know i just and how oh so good

so good. So good. This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. We're friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet.

Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac. Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's going to be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City.

We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And Below Deck Salina. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Let's have a real good time. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. Guess what, folks?

We're teammates again. And we're going to welcome you guys all to Dudes on Dudes. I'm a dude. You're a dude. And Dudes on Dudes is our brand new show. We're going to highlight players, peers, guys that we played against, legends from the past. And we're just going to sit here and talk about them.

And we'll get into the types of dudes. What kind of types of dudes are there, Gronk? We got studs, wizards. We got freaks. Or dudes dude. We got dogs. Dog. We'll break down their games. We'll share some insider stories and determine what kind of dude each of these dudes are. Is Randy Moss a stud or a freak? Is Tom Brady a dog or dudes dude? We're gonna find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts,

you know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment.

You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother, trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel.

I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian.

Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.

Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, we can move on now

and talk about Miss Wendy Williams, shall we? It's just such a it's such a downgrade because it's you know what it's almost interesting that they both had documentaries come out i mean britney had nothing to do with hers obviously and wendy executive produced hers which should mean you watch it with a raised eyebrow because the subject is also the ep um which is you know definitely a vibe but it's like you're talking about someone who has been the focus of so much tabloid uh gossip and paparazzi minded you know the celebrity consumption of it all and then literally

someone who rose to like the perpetrator doing that mean, we're not over here being like Wendy Williams is an incredible person. She is one of the best memes of all time. Okay? I mean, she's given us a lot, but she's also given us a lot of truly soul-crushingly

dark moments where she'll side with sexual predators or whatever or she'll like blame victims of assault when meanwhile she is also herself a victim of assault it's it's just i mean but this is like the cycle of assault sometimes is that like it just it like makes you think that well other people should also go through the same thing i went through in some cases i don't want want to speak on Wendy's behalf, but it feels like there's something being cycled through when she's talking

about someone else who is a victim of, of that. You know, I'm always nervous watching her. Not because I feel like, not because I feel like, um, I'm nervous about her delivering anything.

I'm never worried about her landing the plane. But I just feel like she's so often wrong. She's so often incorrect. And I'm like, I am not out here saying that I'm like the fucking bearer of the truth all the time. Like I've been wrong on this podcast all the time. But she is like, she's got such a huge platform and like the way that her audience will just agree with everything she says i'm like there this is a top this is a weird thing because she does hold some odd positions yes and she is problematic

a ton of the time and so she'll say this shit and the whole audience will just be like yeah yep absolutely and you're like wait what and i do respect her because i think you have to respect someone who has created an empire like this like and i don't know like has she been harmful towards people yes um i think that i think probably i don't know i'm not in her head but i would imagine a lot of the whitney stuff probably keeps her up at night i don't know that it even I don't know, I'm not in her head, but I would imagine a lot of the Whitney stuff probably keeps her up at night. I don't know that it even, I don't know that it does. I think she-

She was very upset when Whitney passed. Of course she was upset when Whitney passed, but she kind of, in the documentary even, uses that as a point of like, that was one of my proudest moments, was that Whitney interview. When we caught her on, we got her on tape when she didn't know she was being on tape. And like, we had Wendy

like talk about crack and talk. It was just like, oh, wait, you might have some remorse about the way that you specifically like broke some seals on the Whitney Houston like conversation in the zeitgeist, but you also are brandishing that as a point of pride. Yeah, you're saying that it was an achievement that as a result of your involvement with her, people

found out about her drug abuse. Yeah. I don't know about that one. It's tough. You don't know about that one? I'm going to have to think on that one? I'm going to have to think on that one. Going to have to think on that one. Going to have to consider that one. Did you end up watching

the biopic? I couldn't really get through the biopic, although that actress is phenomenal. She was great. I think you watched the documentary and I watched the biopic, and that was the way Lost Cultural Racial was going to cover this. I did try you watched the documentary and I watched the biopic and that was the way Lost Cold Races was going to cover this. Um, I did try to watch the documentary, but I could not

take any more Wendy Williams content after the biopic. It was just too much. Um, Sierra Payton, who plays Wendy, does a great performance. Like she, she manages to be grounded. And this is my take on the whole Wendy of it all all it's like with the biopic it's like she's gone through so much real shit like yeah she was raped um her husband was like you know philanderer like you know it was not easy for her professionally you know she like one thing after another and it's so it's so funny to watch all this real shit happen to her because she is such a caricature uh she's like a heightened cartoon it's like watching a biopic about bugs bunny you find out about his bankruptcy

you know what i mean it's like it's like i i'm with this person, and thank God they got a great actress to play her because she was able to ground it because it's literally like watching a biopic of a cartoon. But she's able to ground it. I mean, but are we like venturing into dangerous territory by like dehumanizing Wendy Williams, the person, by being like, she's a cartoon character, when we're like, we did that to Britney.

I'm not saying it's the same i'm not i'm not drawing that equivalency but i'm just saying like are we are we justifying any sort of like treatment or conversation around wendy williams i think that wendy williams knows that she has created a persona which is how you do it which is all these things which which is, you know, and she, she, they, they show in the bio biopic, like she went out of her way to get huge tits. She wanted to walk into every room and everyone say,

there's Wendy. Like she created a larger than life persona and she embodies that all the time. So when I say it's like watching a biopic of a cartoon character, what I truly only mean is her persona is so her creation yes and so and so much of what she is known for is like i mean and this is another thing it's like when you when everyone saw her in the statue of liberty geish and she fainted if you if if you were as the viewer if your only thing you thought was well i hope she's okay good for you bitch but i guarantee you left guarantee you left and if you didn't and you're in denial about it uh personally for me you can

go fuck yourself because i think you're a liar and I think that you're trying to just stay above the fray read the whole well I never thought it was funny what they did to Britney shut up like genuinely because there is comedy when it comes to Wendy Williams is state of being like she is larger than life on

purpose it's of her own mate like yeah I don't yeah that's interesting I mean like her like lighting life on purpose. It's of her own mate. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, her lighting a Slim Jim on fire and having that be a recurring bit where she's like, I'm a foodie, and she's eating

a Slim Jim. Early days Wendy Williams, I was like, I'm with this person. She is great. And yes, she's such an icon of the radio, and she has all these amazing interviews. And she's like the Howard Stern of, she's like the female Howard Stern. And then on the show, it really became,

and I'm so glad, and they actually touched on this moment in the documentary. The Omarosa interview was like the first or second week of the show. And like you've seen, most of us have seen it at this point. Yeah, they were great together. They were great together. But they touch on a moment where like a switch in wendy flips when omarosa says you know it's interesting seeing you on tv i feel like you've lost a little bit of your

edge but maybe this is a new endy i like that i like that and the people in the audience are like boo boo boo and then they cut back to wendy and her face just drops and i think from that moment on she was like oh i'm not gonna be like ellen i'm gonna be a fucking i'm gonna i'm gonna do what i was doing on radio and just be this like persona yeah people will have a strong reaction to one way or the other because that's how she that's her bread and butter yeah Yeah, exactly. And then from then on, like the, the ship took off and, and like, yeah, I mean her, like she,

she did become this character. So, okay. I, I understand what you're saying about the Bugs Bunny thing. And yes, she is like, it is like,

it is true. And like her being in a statue of Liberty costume and fainting is on some level. She has to love that she featured it in the film in the bio it was literally the clip that they showed to like promote the movie she knows she knows that there's something about this that is unusual and not and there's something comedic about it like i've seen interviews with her promoting it where they'll be like showing where here's a clip from the thing before we do the interview and it's that clip and then they go please welcome wendy williams and she comes out smile on her fucking face you know what i mean

she knows yeah she's an ep of the movie like again she's in control of this product well it's it's that that is the thing though it's like at that's like, at that point, you are your own PR agency. You are your own PR person. And there's a skill to that, and there's something to be gained from that. But that's also scary. That's also like, oh, wait, you're selling yourself as the product of something, which is as just a product. And I don't know.

I mean, but we love Wendy so much. I mean, she's given us, she's got a point. She's a point. And I don't know. I mean, but we love Wendy so much. I mean, she's given us, she's got a point. She's a point. She's an icon. She's a legend. And she is the moment. Now, come on now.

And the thing is too, it's like, I understand. I say like, I'm a little bit nervous to watch her because I'm always wondering what she's going to say. That's kind of the point.

You know what I mean? Like, no one's going to watch Wendy Williams for the news. You're going to watch Wendy Williams because you want to know what Wendy has to say about items in the news. Like, you don't, you don't watch hot topics to understand really what's happening with such and such. She's not breaking it down. She's not,

she's giving a take. She's not vox.com. Yeah. She's not an explainer. She's not Vox.com. Yeah, she's giving a take. She is a commentator in a way. And, you know, we did her interview at Vulture Fest when Vulture Fest honored her. And she was very quiet. Very quiet.

Very, just very, not closed off, but she was just like, kind of like, just maybe just like a little disoriented that day i don't know i mean that was right in the middle of the kevin hunter yes and i i thought about that um in watching the stuff i was like wow this was really right around the time when bowen and i met her because that was may 2019 and then like all that shit went down in the fall or the summer in the fall of that year.

Yeah. And it was just like, and she, I don't think she mentioned Kevin Hunter, but she mentioned Kevin Jr, her son, um, and how much she loves him.

And like, it was really kind of, it was kind of a snooze of an interview and that's probably on us. Cause we didn't ask her the right questions maybe. But, um, well, we were,

I mean, we were kind of, it was, it wasn't like you can ask any question you want of course it had oh yeah because we did we did it was vetted you know it wasn't like matt and bowen interviewing her it was like us for vulture interviewing her it's just so funny to think i mean remember that moment and not to go back to the britney documentary but remember that moment when felicia like the assistant such a fun character such a fun lady sweet woman i remember her from back in the day the old britney specials like i remember her on like britney driven right right right uh but like she holds up that photo of the two of them in times square like in 98 when like when like before like like when britney was like signing

the record deal it's like oh like to get like i'm like, I haven't seen like a Britney photo of her as a teenager before fame. Just being like a regular girl, a tourist in New York City. She's a girl from Louisiana coming to visit the big city. I was like, God, there's something so like, just so precious and like lovely. And like, oh God, like I, like I wish that little girl like was, was in, I mean, I'm sure she is in there, but it's like, oh, like this poor girl is in for the right of her fucking life.

It's like early, often the word that gets used for Brittany. And I think we even used it in this episode is the word tragic. And I never liked to say that word when it comes to her or anyone, because there is a finality in the word tragedy, because that by definition a tragedy is something that ends in a death and i feel like yeah or ends poorly and it's just like we don't know how the britney story is going to end and you know it feels lame and weird to say

this but you hope that at least as a result of this documentary, more people can become aware of the situation that she's in and that we do need to hashtag free Brittany and that this is a serious problem. And we do owe this woman that attention and that care because she did give us so much and she would still be if she felt safe to do that. And, um, uh, you see,

like even on Instagram, like she still has the desire to fun, be fun and play and entertain. And I just hope that this is not, um, the chapter that like is one of the final ones when it comes to Brittany, not saying anything's going to happen to her, but that she wouldn't perform anymore because I do believe she wants to. And I just really want the stuff to get figured out.

And I wish the best for her. And I, I send all my love as I'm sure you do as well. I send my love. I send my love. And also, wait, I just wanted to say,

it's so funny because we were talking about the vulture thing. Like after you got the job at SNL, like, I kind of kept doing that. Right. And I went to Sundance to cover it for Vulture. And you know who I met there? Who? Armie Hammer. Oh, my God.

Girl. What? Have we? There's nothing that we can, there's nothing for us to really add the to the army hammer conversation well no what do you add on to it there's there's nothing to add on to it but army hammer i remember the social network had just come out and then i went home for christmas that that year and i was in aurora colorado and i went to the rec center where my parents have a membership to go like work out yeah. And no one was there,

but there was a guy in a baseball cap and this like thin, beautiful woman doing a little tour, walk around with like the manager of the place or someone. And I look over, I was like, that's that guy from the social network who played the Winklevoss twins. Wow. And I was like,

wait, but what would he be doing in suburban Denver? Like he's not from, and I literally Googled him while he was standing like 20 feet away from me. This is such a boring story, but I just like Googled him when I, while he was like 20 feet away from me. And he's like, yeah, you know, he's from like, he's like from like this, he's this, like he was born into wealth and he's from like this part of the country and he's, he wouldn't

be here. But then like, I later figured out he was dating this woman who was from my hometown. And I'm like, wow. Like what, what are those? What's that story now? I'm like,

I'm thinking about it all through the lens of his, all of his past lives. Because I also remember that Buzzfeed article that came out, Buzzfeed news article that came out. That was kind of this opinion piece on like, no, it wasn't an opinion piece. It was just this feature.

Why have we given this man so many chances? This is when calling me calling this is when call me by your name came out and it was talking about like the lone ranger and it was talking about like he kind of kept flopping yeah he kept flopping over and over and over again and it was just like what is hollywood's obsession with well he's hot this guy white and he already was incredibly rich right and the article like accounts for all that but it was also like, but he doesn't have the star quality. He doesn't. He's not a box office draw. He's not

like, and Hans is saying Hollywood is desperate for a leading man. Same reason Sam Worthington had a bunch of roles in a row. Yeah, right. Yeah, Sam Worthington, who cares? But it's like, it's these people who are like, wait, but you actually, no one gives a shit about you because otherwise we'd be going to the movies you're not like 100 yeah you can't really make someone a sensation like yes you can you can shove them in front of everyone's faces again and again

and again but it's like with britney spears it's like britney spears was a born star like she and and talk about coming from no advantage you know what i mean she was born in kenwood louisiana which is tiny and it was by sheer talent that she made as far as she made it meanwhile like and this is something i'm going to say that's maybe a little controversial but old money are into weird shit like yeah that's why i wasn't surprised at all when i heard about this cannibal rumor oh no it feels insane to say out loud but i was like well you know it's like any old institution like there's weird shit there like i if you were gonna tell me hey just so you know one of the probably top 20 actors in hollywood is a cannibal

if i'm looking at a list i would pick him knowing nothing and when he is only an alleged cannibal at this point and i wish the episode could be titled alleged cannibal but it can't no no no we're not going to make it we're not going to just de-title just just give the title from hans says i'd go with rami malek well i don't know about that guy he's more vampire to me than cannibal does that make sense yeah yeah yeah for sure for sure um i mean i don't know good point good point hans has good point it was so here crazy to hear about that and apparently this week there's more coming out and like WME and his publicist dropped him this all sort of broke out on like Demois and like Instagram tabloids but now there's actual reporting that's going to come out

over it like with like interviews and like sources and all this stuff where it's going to be like oh wow this is going to be this is going to be like, oh, wow, this is going to be like, you know, it's like when, terrible example, but it's like when the Louis C.K. thing dropped on the New York Times. And that's what made it like official. It gave it validity. Right. It gave it validity.

And that's what's about to happen. We're about to hit that. So, and we should say that hasn't happened yet. And also it is a little odd for us in the same episode where we're like, they were so unfair to Britney to be like, well, we heard this, we heard Armie Hammer is a cannibalibal but the fact is we have heard maybe the case and i was honestly here's what i'd say do not smoke weed and then twitter search army hammer no you will feel crazy

because what they're starting to say now is truly dark. And the DMs are really crazy. Aye, aye, aye. Before we move into, um... Well, actually, it's helpful to think about what the tabloid culture, quote-unquote, is now and who is most susceptible to that culture and the way that Britney was most susceptible to that, to the culture as it was back then.

Right. The kind of person who is most susceptible to that culture now, I don't know if it is someone like Armie Hammer, but like, I'm trying to think of like, who is, whose career is at a point where they are the most vulnerable to be sort of like exploited by like DM screenshots and shit like that.

Well, literally white straight men would say them. That's how, you know, it's all fucked up is because they'd shit like that well literally white straight men would say them that's how you know it's all fucked up it's because they'd be like well they're allowed to get us right now and that's like warmy hammer being like i'm not responding to these bullshit claims meanwhile it's like no dude like there's like verifiable stuff coming out here you're obviously a freak like anyway yeah but but the answer to your question is it's always going to be women because think about what they did to jennifer lawrence like oh god i could like that was crazy like when when when that all happened anyway um i wanted to ask you before we go into i don't

think so honey what did you think of the big game honey i thought the big game was kind of a kind of a true done. A hundred percent. Like we need to cool it with, I can't believe the amount of people on my, on my, on my Instas who were like going crazy for Tom Brady. I'm like, you guys know his deal, right? Okay. That's my, I don't think so, honey. So should we do it now? Okay.

All right. All right. We'll do it now. We'll do it now. This is, I don't think so, honey. This is where we take one minute to go off on something in culture. And it's just something that's really chapping our ass. And Matt, you have something, right?

I can confirm that I do. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So, Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, Tom Brady. I am so fucking bored of hearing about this man. It's been decades. We need to move the fuck on from this guy who is, I'm sorry,

but not even as hot as Shrek. If you put Shrek next to Tom Brady, I'm picking Shrek. And also, in the before photos, the guy looks a lot like Shrek. I don't think so, honey, that you are like, oh, I don't endorse Trump. I didn't vote for Trump. I'm just a friend of Trump's.

What the fuck does that say about you? That's going to make me feel better, sweetheart, that you didn't outwardly support Trump. You only are his close friend. I'm sorry. That's a red fucking flag. And Giselle, your wife had to be like, don't talk about politics. Just shut the fuck up. 15 seconds.

The most out of touch person in the world i'm also so fucking sick of hearing about him and now he's like fucking playing for the buccaneers which by the way is the gayer word for pirates he was a new england patriots disgusting i'm so done with this type of person i don't think so honey and that's one minute thank you shrek is hotter yeah shrek is way hotter than tom brady And honestly, it's like, by the way, if there's a hot guy on the Buccaneers, it's Gronk. Okay. And I don't want to hear about anyone that's not Gronk because actually, whenever I think of Gronk, I do immediately get hard.

And that's something that I'll examine. But the fact of the matter is like, Tom Brady is such a massive celebrity. People are so fucking obsessed with him. And it's like, wait, hold on a second. No, these people no these people these people are gross it's it's on the chiefs that you have actual stars mahomes is a star travis kelsey is a star and a verified nice person let's just say this um here's who will hold the who here's who will stand the test of time colin kaepernick here's who will not tom brady he's gonna age

like justin timberlake. And also, I can't believe that people are just looking the other way with the Trump of it all with him because... Well, being a friend of Trump's is worse than anything else. If you're a friend of Trump, that is worse than being a supporter. If you're in his inner circle,

then that means a million dark things. Also, he definitely has endorsed Republican candidates over Democratic candidates and he's also threatened to run for Senate before. He's called it one of his grand aspirations and that cannot happen. But you

know it will. You know he's on some QAnon shit too. Doug Bame says, I don't like him personally, but he is the greatest quarterback of all time. Shut Bame says, I don't like him personally, but he is the greatest quarterback of all time. Shut up! No, we don't care. You don't have to chime in on this.

We're not talking about the sport of football here. We're talking about your character as a person. Mama, her name was Doug Flutie. Troy Aikman. Know it. Patrick Mahomes. I don't know anything aboutman. Know it. Patrick Mahomes. I don't know anything about football, but I like Patrick Mahomes.

That was probably the extent of football players that I know. I know who Tiki Barber is, but he's not a quarterback. I believe he was a wide receiver. And of course, Deion Sanders, who famously played Major League Baseball and in the National Football League.

But yeah, couldn't fucking believe anything about the Super Bowl really. How packed the stands were. Couldn't believe that. Couldn't believe that Tom Brady won again. Wasn't it 7,500 and then it was just cardboard cutouts? Is that true?

A lot of them were cardboard cutouts. Oh, okay. Well, all I know is it didn't it didn't look like i mean it was terrifying it was terrifying to see it was like oh my god how many people is this yeah i don't even know if that's true i think there might have been a ton of people there yeah 22 000 never mind never mind yeah it didn't feel right to me also like the whole stunting on them being like by the way we're giving $250 million away to, um,

and systemic racism. It's like, yeah, give Colin Kaepernick his job back. Okay. How about that? Let's fucking get it together and really reckon with the fact that y'all have been really slow on the uptake here. And not just like,

here's a bunch of money, though. I am glad that that is a very large sum of money. It's just like, I don't know. I'm still not a bunch of money, though. I am glad that that is a very large sum of money. It's just like, I don't know. I'm still not a fan of it. And then everything they did with the messaging with, um,

Jasmine Sullivan, having to sing the national anthem with Eric church. It's like, no, why don't you just let Jasmine Sullivan do it? I don't need to see this fucking show of unity. And Hans wants to know what about the weekend? Um,

we love able, uh, the, it's a rule of culture only women should perform at the halftime show yeah i mean i agree or unless it's us unless it's us that yeah that's it it should be us and maybe maybe andy samberg right lonely island halftime i think that uh a man can perform at the super bowl prince did a great halftime show yes we're talking no hans we're talking about in the current like pepsi sponsored super bowl

halftime show we're talking about female singers can i say something i'm really not liking how much we're being challenged by our straight male producers i'm not real i'm not into it today was not the day this is the the Britney episode. Although I do appreciate Anna's hot EP Anna's contribution. A ton of parties around the event of the Super Bowl. Yes, disgusting, despicable, Tampa's trash. It felt whack. And Anna, I saw your tweet about it

too and I agreed with you. The thing with The Weeknd is I understand that he is at that level that he could perform the Super Bowl. It's just never going to be my vibe, though. I did like the blinding lights part. I mean, I should have just been on the field the entire time. I hated the staging where he was in the fucking seats, you know, like he was by the scoreboard.

I was like, get him out and get him out on the field. He can sing like a motherfucker. I almost didn't realize he had all that. Like, but he is like a super tenor. Like he can really sing yes yes yeah he's great but super well i don't know anyway um okay so what the deal is is i usually go then there's usually some conversation then bowen goes and so that is i guess we're sort of following that tonight so this here my, my friends, is Bowen Yang's

I Don't Think So Honey. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Anyone who is disgusted, had to turn it off, made a crazy face at my I Don't Think So Honey last week about toenails, bitch. I have never, ever, ever been so angry at a response. You have no right to be truly like pearl graspy, pearl clutchy about this. And my sister, Matt Rodgers, was on my side of the end. Don't say,

wow, my face was Matt's face the entire time. Matt ended up siding with me being, saying, if you are just truly shocked at at this you are not confronting your own humanity dig in honey this is all i have to say i have no articulate point to make except to say how dare you do not make me out to feel disgusted or like these habits are bad it's fine we all have these fucked up five seconds i'm billy eilish i am the

emo princess saying you are as dark as i am and you are denying your darkness and your humanity by by saying that i'm the weird one that's i'm billy i'm billy eilish that's one minute plus um that to say to end it with you saying i'm billy eilish now it makes sense i feel like now you've earned the respect because they just didn't know that but with you saying being billy i want to eat your gruyere flavored toenails which by the way i looked at i didn't say i want to eat them it does mean you may have a fungus i did look it up it does mean you may have a fungus but i don't do millions of people so do i but um apparently um i think that you are gonna sort of you're gonna see the response sort of soften because you've now expressed that

it's a part of your artistic sensibility absolutely it's like it's like billy eilish like you know slurping the saliva out of her invisalign it's guys, we are all human beings. We are all sacks of shit. Yeah, it's so true. We're meatbags. We're meatbags. And don't deny your body horror disgusting tendencies. No, that episode was body horror.

No, that was body horror. It was body horror. That whole episode was body horror. When I listened back to the discussion of the live birth, I could not believe. That episode was body horror. And I had someone reach out and say they had to pull over to throw up. A pregnant woman.

Oh my God. And we have to publicly apologize. We're so sorry. Because we triggered that pregnant woman so much that she had to pull over in her car to throw up. And she got in my DMs and she was like, it's literally fine but i want because it happens all the time but i did want you to know that this did happen and i was

like i mean i completely understand i i very nearly threw up we were talking about it so we're very sorry we apologize well to anyone else who who um threw up yeah but i mean trust me if you're if you're reading the news lately it's a lot about cannibalism. So not a lot of ways to escape body horror as of late. There is a body horror trend anyway. Yeah. So before we go, I just wanted to check in with you, re your television watching. What should everyone be watching along with you right now? I've really fallen off.'m just watching wandavision

i just finished season four of search party which i thought was fantastic i heard there might get another season i heard they might get another season who knows we're waiting to hear but there's an episode with that focuses on chantal witherbottom clear mcmulty's character alia was incredible this alley was incredible this season. Alia was incredible this season. Cole Escola was incredible this season. Yeah, Cole was amazing. He's such a superstar. I mean, seeing Cole play opposite, seeing Cole play opposite and Susan Sarandon,

I was just like, this is fucking, this is what James made of. Yeah, Cole had to be in heaven. I mean, they did such a good job. And then I just have to look up this actress this day because there's an actress in the Chantal episode. Lilius White. Oh, Lilius White is a Tony winner.

She's she's Tony winner. She plays Effie in the Dreamgirls concert version that I always tell you about. Right. Lilius White. And she's amazing. She's one of the muses in Hercules. But she has this role in this episode of Search Party Season 4 that I think is the funniest.

She is so... I texted Charles. I was like... She's an icon. I was an idiot. I don't know. I should know my Dreamgirls and my Tonys better, but I texted Charles. I was like, who's that actress who's playing this woman Wilma? Her character's name is Wilma. Featured actress

Tony winner for the life in the 90s. Yes. I texted Charles. I was like, I feel like I should know this actress, but she's incredible and she's making me guffaw. Like, who is that? And Charles was like, oh, it's Lillias. I was like, oh, right, right, right.

And she just is phenomenal. I just, I'm laughing thinking about some scenes with her. Truly phenomenal. And Claire McNulty, incredible. Everyone, I mean, Meredith Hagner. I'm not And Claire McNulty, incredible. Everyone, I mean, Meredith Hagner. I'm not just saying this

because I host the podcast, but Meredith Hagner, John Early, John Reynolds, Rebecca Robles, our story parts. Oh, I love Rebecca. I was receiving texts

about Rebecca. I was like, everyone was like, do you know Rebecca? Nico was asking me and I was like, yeah, she is incredible.

She's incredible. She always was. She was always great. She always was. And she's so multi-talented. She was doing, she was doing. She always was. She was always great. She always was. And she's so multi-talented. She was doing hair. She was... And just truly a beauty.

A beauty. Yeah, Search Party. Were you ever on it? I've never been on it. But you are in the Search Party universe. Yeah, I am in the SPU. But that was one of those shows where it was like, you feel like... Not like a rite of passage like not like a law and order it was like a law and order for comedy it was like a

law and order for comedy you know what i mean it's kind of like like and pat reagan is so funny pat's amazing joel and mitra are amazing in season three yeah it's great yeah but it did feel good to like get to be on it because it did feel like in that, in that universe, I'm like a complete entertainment, entertainment, fashion commentator. Um, you're very good. Maybe it's,

well, what are you watching? I literally, I mean, I told you, and I pitched to Bowen earlier. I was like, you know who I would love to have on the show?

Um, Tiana Paris, who is playing Monica Rambeau in WandaVision. I've just fallen in love with her and watching interviews about the show because she's so excited. Like, and because her character becomes like, her character in the comic books

becomes like Captain Marvel. Becomes Captain Marvel. Like leads the Avengers. And it's really fun. And I love her on the show and I'm obsessed with the show. I watched it all the episodes again last night. It's great. I'm I love her on the show. And I'm obsessed with the show. I watched all the episodes again last night. It's great.

I'm picking up on more things now. I'm obsessed with Elizabeth Olsen. I love Paul Bettany. I always have. And Katherine Hahn is, I think, the best actress ever. Ever, ever, ever, ever. I'm so in love with that woman. Yeah.

I just don't think I have ever once seen her be even close not even not even never seen her be bad i've never even seen her be okay yeah i've only ever seen her fucking nail it she is exactly my favorite type of actress who um she's obviously led by her joy and i think she's always fun and she's always making it fun for herself. And I bet she's a great scene partner. And I just, I get such good vibes from the whole cast and WandaVision, what they did at the end of the last episode. I loved because I love the actor.

I love that actor that they revealed at the end. Yeah. Love him. He's so fucking hot. Um, and I'm just obsessed with the show. I love it. People,

people yelled at me because I said, I much because I said how much I love WandaVision and want to watch all the Marvels and they're like, it's military propaganda and I'm like, y'all can go jump off a bridge with the I Never Laughed at Britney people. Oh, just get out of my life.

It's like, I think we said this last episode or maybe we said this offline to each other. It's like my first Kat Dennings experience where I'm like, okay, yes. I love Kat Dennings. I'm like, yes. And I've always been like okay kat dennings but girl kat dennings is so good at this i am lol-ing along with her i fucking love kat dennings i think she had like the two broke

girls stink on her you know what i mean i was like oh she's in like a cbs sitcom whatever she had the chuck lorry stink on her which i mean who are we to be like who are we i mean so we would have the stink on us too, if he asked. Exactly. Um, and then I was going to say that, um,

Catherine Han is the best part. And I know we say this every time we bring her up, but she is the best part of stepbrothers. The best part. She, I think she steals the movie from Will. We're sorry, Will,

but I, in my opinion, yeah, my opinion, Catherine Han steals the movie from Will, from John C. Riley, from Mr. Adam Scott, from Adam Scott. I just, in my opinion yeah my opinion katherine hon steals the movie from will from john c reilly from mr adam scott from adam scott i just she's the funniest fucking part of that movie she is the best part of almost everything she's ever done i'm not kidding like i'm obsessed you know

what i was remembering she was in girls when she played when she was the mother of the girl that jessa was babysitting and she just ends up flirting with her husband and she's like look and the way that her character handled that with her was like so good and i was i just i'm a person i love her in bad moms i love her and when her talking the best part of bad moms is her talking about uncut dicks yeah she's like you have to pull the skin over the cock like she should host snL she would be incredible oh my god maybe we should get Catherine Han on the show I would love to get Catherine Han on the show

well now it's so weird because I'm watching so many interviews with the Marvel people and it's so clear they can't say shit but also I don't want to ask her about listen I could ask I want to ask her about what she does every day I don't care about Agnes not that i don't care about that but i just care about katherine hahn more proper right well we might have to do a katherine hahn deep dive someday

but um on that note this we hope you've enjoyed this britney spears sort of a symposium um two person symposium um and we talked about wendy a little bit we talked about army i think we really you know checked all the big boxes britney wendy army and then a little bit of a little a little bit of katherine hot appreciation which i i'm good with um yes and i think that here's the deal bowen and i we have mentioned a lot of Britney Spears songs, but I feel that one is the one to go out on. Okay. I don't know that I know this.

I'm wondering if me and my sister can telekinetically connect right now. Yes, yes, yes. I think we can. She's a lucky star, but star But she cries, cries, cries In the lonely Heartache If there's nothing Missing in my life

Then why do These tears come at night But what were you gonna do? I was gonna do Do You Wanna Come Over I can get into that Kissing and touching Oh, we can be good And do next to nothing to do i just need to do you want to come over you can listen to that song on what album bow glory i'm julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski.

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