Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Brown Recluse" (w/ Mo Fry Pasic)

Episode Date: June 19, 2019

Matt and Bowen are joined in the studio by their sister Mo Fry Pasic to talk about bottom beliefs, being part of the upstate 5, how pisces can pass, and the whore jumping out. Get out of here you boys, it's time for Gaga!MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Forever Dog. Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling. Oh. Oh. It's Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Oh. Oh. It's me. Dropped in Matt.

I'm so dropped in. Is it because we each had an alcoholic beverage? Had a brunch? Oh, well that's worn the hell off since. Well, you know what I did? I sobered up real good. What made you sober up? Just the day?

Just the day. I had a cold brew right after. And well, that was just a hat on top of a hat. So you're one way, then you're just the day i had a cold brew right after and well that was just a hat on top of a hat so you're one way then you swing the other way yeah yeah yeah but i had the most delicious brunch and i want to put this place on the map because our guests today and the two of us and friend of the show one would even say best friend of the show sudy green we have a brunch spot well it's it's a franchise it's a little chain all over the city imagine referring to this full chain as like our private brunch spot a very popular restaurant in new york

city sweet chick sweet check we love going there we love going to sweet chick there's a location in williamsburg there's a location in lower east side in park slope and we and matt just unbuttoned his shirt for it oh my god God. I popped a button. I thought today we had hot waiters. We had very sexy staff. We had sexy staff. You know. And then one of the bus boys recognized our own Bowen.

Oh, it was lovely, lovely. And he said, you are very funny. He was very sweet. God, just, I love, I love some good looking people serving me food. Yeah, that's a thing. And if you look bad, I'm sorry. You can.

I don't care. Don't touch my food if you look bad. If you look bad, honey, get your digits away from my chicken. Of course, this is all a joke. I mean, no, it is. No, no, no, it's a joke. It's a joke. You can feed me if you look like what i don't care what you look oh if you look like what you can look like what you can look like

what and i'll still take it i would eat any food off our guest really any food because you know what it would be clean clean it would smell good it would smell good and i know that it would be like sourced from the finest places well it would just you would just you know how it's like you know how um you go to uh you go to um a clothing store yeah i know how that and you're just like god i can feel the artistry that went into this mass-produced sweater. Yeah. Not that... I just think our guest is putting care into everything that she puts out there. 100%. And can I tell you something

that I realized the other day? Yes. Me and our guest... Yes. ...have made out. What? We have made out. What are you talking about?

Our guest is... And I... Oh, my God. We made out on the set. Oh, you did? We had to do a... A Snapchat thing. No, it was a pilot presentation. Oh my God. We made out on the set. Oh, you did. We had to do a. A Snapchat thing. No, it was a pilot presentation.

Oh. And we played two detectives. Who the tension was so thick in the scene. And we made out over a dead body. Okay, we have to talk about you playing straight. I love this. What, you don't think I'm capable? No, I think you're so.

I truly, Sudeen and I have conversations where like Matt is so lucky because he can convincingly play straight. You're saying I have yet another privilege, which is passing. Absolutely. You can pass, and that is gorgeous. It's so funny to think of me as someone who can pass because I find myself very gay. But you are very good at...

You have the ability to gracefully code switch and go back to Long Island and be like fucking. What's up, brother? How's it going? And to talk to, let's say, and we love Ken, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. No, but I don't talk to Ken like this. I talk to Ken like myself.

You could talk to Ken like the way you were just talking. Well, if I were to talk to him like this right now, like he'd be like, truly, what the hell is going on? Yes. But to be honest with you. You but even this is with you you're even doing like you're performing it too much what you could just split the difference and like be like oh you pass as just just no one would clock that anything happening unusually because now you're just doing like masks drag you're doing like zach efron's vogue 72 questions like you know no fully i don't think that's what i'm doing but whatever dude um we got a type of anyway i Even like Zac Efron's Vogue 72 questions. Like, you know. No. Fully.

I don't think that's what I'm doing, but whatever, dude. We got to talk about. But anyway, I fucking love Zac Efron, though. He's a mad joke. Did you see Greatest Showman? I would never ordinarily see that, but my girlfriend really wanted to go. So anyway. So we definitely had a good time.

It was mad good. And I like you, Jaclyn. You can sing or whatever, but I still like him. We were talking about our guest and it became this just great... Sorry to call up the narrative. I know that straight guys like me shouldn't be doing that. And you might as well be.

You might as well be. Because you can pass and that's a privilege. Why don't you try to pass right now? No. Why? You're already white. Why not be straight? All right.

For people listening, one of the recurring narratives that's happening right now on Muscle Dory's Test is that Matt... Bowen's white. Is that Matt is accusing me of being... I'm not accusing you. I'm revealing that you are white. No, he's vituperatively accusing me of being white.

What? White T? You are white T. Oh, white T. Yeah. Yeah, of being white. What? White tea? You are white tea. Oh, white tea. Yeah. Yeah, that's white. It's an abbreviation for white. Stupid bitch.

Anyway, this isn't about you. You've really co-opted the narrative. Oh my God. And I co-opted the narrative as a white person. Our guest is fantastic, stunning, wonderful comedian actress. I think, can I say, I think the best actress of all the comedians in New York. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I would say. Stage, screen, the whole fucking deal. Pasek and Platt. Pasek and Platt. It's one of my favorite sketch comedy. Comes from them. A new star of Joe's Pub. The public.

The public. And Ben Brantley gave her a standout review. And if Ben Brantley likes you, then that's everything. It's actually rule of culture number 11. If Ben Brantley likes you, then that's everything. Hang it up, honey.

Hang it up. Frame it. And she will have just finished a lovely, lovely run in Munich for the Radical Youth Festival. Yes, honey. And we love her so much. And you can follow the person

at MoPas. And that's at M-E-A-U-X P-A-S. And they're always entertaining Insta stories. It's a play on faux pas, MoPas. There you go. So please welcome to yours our guest, Mo Fry Passing!

Heal me! Would you heal me? welcome to yours our guest Mo Fry Passing now thank you because that's one of the underrated songs it's so good it's so underrated you guys okay a couple of things to address first of all

the only thing that will be eaten off my body is from Per Se oh Per Se Per Se famously good restaurant in lincoln center girl i don't know i just heard of it people just know about per se i don't even know where the fuck it's a reference for me it's not an experience and that's why i'm not there yet

i love that it's a reference not an experience yeah um and second of all um vituperatously vituperative oh my god you said that and i like oh like my tummy dropped i was like a power just like just like a like aggressive like toxic noxious i love when you say a good word that's what that means vituperative means aggressive and toxic vituperative just means like just with like bile just like you're white like that's what you're doing i vituperatively have been calling bowen Yang white. White. Yes.

This is really good. When you say a word, I like look it up and I'm like, I'm going to use that. Yeah. And then I don't, and then I stop using my own words. And they're words that I invent,

of course. Yeah. This has been a very long time coming for you to be on. Yes. I'm so happy to see you two doing your thing in the studio in real life. Cause you are famously my sisters. Sisters. Have been for a lifetime.

We are part of the Upstate Five. The Upstate Five. I love the occasional slight reference. Like, well, when we went upstate. And everyone gets chills. And had our experience. And of course, one of the most iconic stories of the past year for me

was when we were sitting under the tree on acid and Moe Freibasic, who was the only sober one there, said, okay, so here's what's happening. The spider right there is a brown recluse. My name has been slandered. Okay, here's the thing. Explain yourself. Okay, you know what?

So, first of all, they are not indigenous to upstate New York. However, they are there. I believe you that they're there. you would claim that they are a very poisonous spider and here's what i would claim i'm not gonna hold myself to the identification of a brown recluse but i will say that that fucking spider was a brown recluse it was fucking eight feet tall it was very very big so big and like it was so scary and it was like underneath and it was just like ready to like we were all like you looked like in like blue is the warmest color you know

when she's like laying down or like in boyhood laying down on the grass so serene and all of you looked like so like with the earth and I didn't want that moment to be like all of a sudden like Enya's like who can say where the time goes and then we all die you know I didn't want that but you calmly saved our lives in that moment

that was really calm yeah that was very calm of you. And I am truly, I thank the universe every day for how wonderful you were during that whole experience and how you guided and shepherded us. That's really nice. That spider was amongst the largest things I've ever seen. Amongst the largest. It was very big. It was a good girl. It was a good girl. It was a good girl.

What? Are you like an insect person? Here's my thing. Wisconsin? Wisconsin. I grew up, I worked on farms, which is crazy.

And it's like, I'm so pretty, people don't know it. Yes, yes. True. So I was like a kid that was like the kid that would like be muddy.

And you're like, why? And I was like, I just played, I would catch snakes in the backyard. And it was like a kid that was like the kid that would be muddy. And you're like, why? And I was like, I just played. I would catch snakes in the backyard. And it's like so weird because I lived in Madison, but all my relatives lived up north where you could just get lost in the wood acres forever. It was the best.

It was cool. Were you a kid that often got stung by shit or bitten by things? If I was, it didn't affect me like i definitely have had quite a few b and like bites in my life but it'd be the kind of situation where it's like my name my full name insider secret is my full name is morgan morgan yes little industry um for you only five people know that yeah and now thousands of thousands they are technically the Upstate Five by proxy Upstate Five by proxy no the secret the act

have you seen that wait the secret no wait what oh never mind I was referring to the act where Joy King plays Gypsy Rose and she's like

with Patricia Arquette and it's like a right right right yes it's on Julio it's a Patricia Arquette vehicle wait wait wait it's called the act it's called the act

Patricia Arquette and it's a Patricia Arquette vehicle because I'm very into Patricia the act and it's a Patricia Arquette vehicle because I'm very into Patricia Arquette it's basically gypsy but with a kid who is sick so no it's the gypsy rose story oh it's the gypsy rose it's literally gypsy rose story it is it's shot for shot and then like Joey King is like mom I'd love to go to the movies

today and you're like whoa damn her voice is so low in person I'm like come on voiceover work oh I didn't know in person. I'm like, come on, voiceover work. Wow. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, wow. I'm a potential Arquette fan. I will, yeah, I will say,

I don't keep a thought going straight. So I don't remember what we were talking about before. We were talking about Morgan being bitten and sucked on by insects. Oh yeah, like it would be like, Morgan, what's that? And I would like have a huge rash. I'm like, I don't know.

I'm just going to go play. Yeah. Well, so you were an outside girl. You were an outside girl. I was an... I rode horses. I, like... We had, like, sheep.

And we, like... We didn't, like... Not in, like, our house. But we'd, like, stay and, like, babysit our friend's sheep. Yeah. And, like, it was... Wow. It was cool.

Oh, my God. I was an outside kid. I was not an outside kid. Really? No. I read and I played video games. I emotionally identify as an indoor kid. But in reality, you were, okay, you were an outside kid, sun, indoor kid, moon.

Oh, I love that. Yeah. Oh my God. See, okay, here's the thing. Boan Yang famously, famously drags astrology. But, okay, we talked about this with Ruby McAllister. Ruby McAllister was just on. We had a whole astrology thing.

Tenderly creeps towards it. You are now. I'm starting to creep towards it in a fun way i'm not fully with what with affection with affection and not total rejection i used to just reject it completely and now i'm just like oh this is fun this is fun it's fun to project these certain things onto what this could mean and what what my you know what my what are they called your my um transits are. Transits are a lot to learn. Well, Ruby said that it's very Scorpio to be rejecting astrology. Very.

At first. And why? Because I've heard this from so many people and I don't know why. Well, we should ask Mo. Mo, do you? What is it about Scorpios? I would say Scorpios,

what they are is they're very protective of themselves and also they want to learn experientially. So like they don't immediately trust you on your word, right? So if you tell them something about themselves, they're like, sure, I'm sure you think that. And it's like they won't believe that until they've experienced proof for themselves. I see. Because it is very mysterious, closed off, solo sort of experience intensity. So if someone's telling you like that's so Scorpio, you're like, well, don't put me in a box and you don't know me.

So like it's that sort of energy. I got it. But you would never combat that way. That's internal. Yes. Because Scorpios aren't about to waste their time fucking explaining that to someone.

Got it. I see. Oh, you know what? That really reads. Not going to waste their time on conflicts they think are beneath them. Very much so.

Very much so. Whereas you and I... Venturpitously. I'm venturpitively saying that. Yes. Whereas you and i whereas i'm vertupatively saying that yes um whereas you and i are pisces yes and that makes us emotional sort of like v emosh you know what i'll say is that the manifestation of a pisces is very dependent on their moon and rising because pisces are the 12th sign so they technically embody all the signs oh so it's like the oldest sign aries is the first or the youngest the more hot-headed whereas like pisces the 12th sign, so they technically embody all the signs. Oh. So it's like the oldest sign, Aries is the first, or the youngest,

the more hot-headed, whereas like Pisces is 12th, they're more universal. Oh. And so the idea is Pisces takes on identities really well and can move through other people's emotions. Can pass it straight. Can pass it straight.

Oh my God, this is all coming back. Pisces can pass. And so would you say that Pisces are often empathetic? Well, yeah, it's one of their traits. It's one of the things. It's sometimes debilitating,

I will say that. Especially for you, who is a rising Cancer, Pisces, Moon, is it? I am all water. I'm water, water, water, water, water. No, you're Cancer, Moon, Pisces, Rising. Yes, I am.

I am. And so for you, it is also very hard for you to look at something objectively because you are deep in the emotions of it. So factually and objectively looking at something, you're like, but that's,

but it doesn't matter what the facts are. I feel this way. I don't like, AKA, I don't know my words, but I know my heart. You know? Oh my God. And Mo is tying it back to. It's all coming back,

so coming back to me now. There were moments of gold and there were flashes of light. Wow. Oh. There were things I'd never do again. But then they'd always seem right. That is a very Pisces song. Sure.

And it's because it's so emotional and big. Wouldn't you agree? I would agree, yeah. That song paints with a very emotional brush. It's like, you know what it is? It's a brush that you painted before, then you didn't clean, then it got hard, and you're like, it's okay. And then you like a brush that you painted before, then you didn't clean, then it got hard,

and you're like, it's okay. And then you like try to soften it again, and then you painted it. Oh my God. That is psychic. That is psychic. Psychic. Mel, what are your rising and moon signs?

Okay. Because you are the astrology queen. Come on. I mean, here's my thing. The fun thing about this is like I never like sought out astrology. I just like it. And it's just me.

And over the years, I've gotten a lot of info. I am a Libra moon like our fellow podcaster Bowen. Yes. I am a Libra moon and I am a Cancer rising. So internally, which is the moon. Wait, I lied. You stupid, stupid bitch. You lied twice.

I got my. Your ass said you were a Gemini moon. And I was like, oh, scary. And then you were like, JK, Libra. Little white lies. I got my moon and risings fucked up This is fucking psychotic Libra rising And then Gemini moon

You are Gemini moon you dumb bitch Which is very Gemini moon If I'm going to lie I guess No it's not Gemini moon if you lie Okay so I cut you off So that's just my chart but you You talk about you because we're on you. But your moon's in the ninth house,

which I'll say is like Sagittarian, so you're very like teacher, learning, adventure, expansive, spiritual, like as far as your moon and how you process emotions. Yes, okay, and Mo's looking at my chart right now on CoStar. You just had your chart like ready to go pulled up? It's on the app. It's on the app.

Okay, I need to get this app. This is the thing, Mo, I will say this. I go. It's on the app. It's on the app. Okay. I need to get this app. Is it crazy? This is the thing, Mo. I will say this. I probably like a lot of the listeners with astrology and I know you because I was first to come around to this and now Bowen has come around to it and Sudi, I don't think will ever come around to astrology. She'll have her moments.

She'll have her moments. She will. She has. She and I wrote a whole sketch about astrology. Mo warmed my heart. I got to watch it. You got to watch it? Oh, great.

It warmed my heart. It got cut for time. But it's great that Mo got to watch it. Mo got to watch it. It had an audience. It felt important to me. It felt important to you. It was nice.

But we were very reductive with it. I loved it. Because it was Don Cheadle and Cecily. He was so good. He was like so on board and he was just like, your mom's about to be in Sagittarius. And I was like, you're so good. He was so on board. He was like, your mom's about to be in Sagittarius.

I was like, you're so happy. He was truly the best. I love him. It was an astrology sketch featuring Don Cheadle. What was it? Explain for the listeners. They'll never know. It takes place in a veterinary office.

Cecily and Don and Heidi play the receptionists. They're all calling up these dogs and these cats and these lizards with their owners and they're like, oh, look up, peep the chart. Oh, that is a Gemini iguana.

Get her out of here. Like that kind of thing. Were there live animals in the sketch? There were live animals in the sketch. Live animals. Pete had to hold a giant lizard

and he was very scared and I talked Pete down. He was scared to hold the lizard? He was scared to hold the lizard. He was scared to hold the lizard. Lizards are pointy. I get that. Lizards are pointy. I don't trust nearly any animals.

Nearly any. You don't trust animals? You like dogs. I really enjoy domestic dogs. Maybe because you know their power and you respect that. I would say I know their power to be unpredictable.

There is a dog in the writer's room at the other two whose name is Gus. It's Kristen Buckles' dog. Yeah, I'm obsessed with that one. Kristen Buckles' dog, Gus, is important to me. And that dog

and I have a deep connection and I post about the dog frequently. That's spicy. And the Gus of it all has really kind of taken over my life. In fact,

I feel a connection to him so much so that when I walk into the room, often the dog will run up to me very excited to see me. And it doesn't do that with everyone else. That's a powerful moment. That's always my dream is like I want people's dogs to like me better than them.

Yes. I get it. I'm like, oh, gosh, so sorry. Like I don't want people like something I wouldn't hate if a kid like cried if it was taken away from me, you know. But I don't want to hold it too long. Right, right, right. You came home with me for thanksgiving it was the best so chelsea stand-in was mo yes and it was me you were a hit you were a huge hit in fact when i told them today i spoke with them this morning and they said happy easter because today is easter we're recording on easter

and they wanted to wish you happy easter and they said that it wasn't it didn't feel right having a holiday without you let me tell you experiencing Thanksgiving at the Rogers it was it was home really nice good time it had like you know the feeling of home like it was that it was so wonderful it was really nice oh my gosh we just couldn't stop talking all of it it was

the best we had a really good time and also Mo had a really great connection with Bailey my dog and Bailey got a jacket that day that was huge Bailey wears a best. We had a really good time and also Mo had a really great connection with Bailey, my dog. We had an intense connection. And Bailey got a jacket that day. That was huge. Bailey wears a stress coat because Bailey's a very stressed out dog.

I love Bailey though. Bailey is one of the top dogs. Bailey is so crazy. I love your family on Instagram. You know, they never did Facebook but they like Insta and they're stars on Insta they're stars on Insta

my dad always has a caption amazing posts amazing posts great posts there's a really good picture of my mom holding Bailey with her wind in her hair that my dad took on Insta

and I'm like they can do Insta well they can do Insta they know how to do it because it's a visual medium my dad is like just like a mathematician genius and like a surgeon

and like he embodies that but he's very dry in his humor and his entire Instagram is pictures of equational days which is when the date makes an equation. Oh my God.

It's so funny. It's the most just like speak up. He's Virgo Virgo rising which is anyone listening is it's very Virgo thing. But... Him and Beyonce. To have a virgo thing um but him and beyond to have a branded insta i mean truly just to have like a methodical cleaned up like specific insta that's

like this is my like identity it's like awesome wow i love it it's the best now let's get back to this okay so i'm sorry you said you are your libra libra moon cancer rising cancer rising so um your moon is how you like i don't't know if Ruby went over this with you, but you process emotions. It's internal. So what they say is when you feel most yourself, like when you're alone, it's your moon sign that you feel like. So when someone's coming at you with like,

you're a Scorpio. You must be so mysterious and watery. You're like, I'm actually not that emotional. And then people are like, no, you're lying to yourself. You're like, no, I'm a Gemini moon. Like I actually take – if your feelings don't make sense, I don't like them. It's just like that sort of thing. So I think there is a lot of value in investing in your moon and rising.

Is there a sign that I as a Pisces and you as a Pisces need to watch out for? Here's what I'll say. I don't think – And I think that there is an answer by the way you're answering so far. I think you're going to be scared to say. But I think that there is a sign that I need to be watching out for. Listen, bitch, I'm Venus in Aries, Mars in Gemini. I'm scared to say nothing.

Oh, my God. So what I'll say is I personally don't like in a chart any concentration of one sign, which is also called a stellium, which is just like... A stellium. To me, I need someone who has more balance and flexibility, a.k.a. mutable signs or cardinal signs. Like if someone has a ton of fixed, just not for me. I love that about them and that's attractive.

What does that mean, a ton of fixed? Like fixed signs are like, I believe they're like, God, like Aquarius, Leo, and one other. And what does it mean to be a fixed sign? It's similar to the ideas of like, you're more mutable, you're more fixed. Like, you know, you're more steadfast. Oh, you are who you are type thing.

Yeah. Not malleable. Yeah, mutable, you're more just like, sure, both things could be true. And Cardinal is like more just like, I don't, I like Cardinal. They're Libra, Aries, and Cancer. And they're just more, I don't know, to me, it Libra Aries and Cancer and they're just more I don't know to me

they're it's more like the adult perspective of everything it's like well both could be true but I'm gonna choose this and Scorpio is fixed yes oh okay I have a lot of one sign in my chart which makes me feel like you feel a stellium stellium I'm afraid of you yeah you fear me you fear me and my Pisces Pis Pisces, Pisces. You're right, babe. I fear your power and I fear how wonderful and large you're going to be because, bitch, you're going to be huge. Girlfriend.

Girlfriend. Do you think that I should and need to marry a Virgo? Okay. Here's what I'll say. I've been told. Bitch, I know. You've been repeating it. But that's because I'm desperate to find someone.

And on What's Your Sign sign shout out to what's your sign pot and those girls Stevie they're great yeah and they said I'll marry a Virgo what's what say you what say me is that you know not everybody is their emotional heightened version of their signs there are low and evolved like you know there's two aspects so what I'll say is there you're you can marry someone with a Virgo fucking Mars and Venus. They don't have to be a Virgo sun. You know what I'm saying? No, not really.

As long as they have a Virgo in the chart. So what you're saying is I'm taking it too seriously. I think your attachment to needing an answer is blocking it from coming in. Oh my God. There it is. My attachment to needing an answer is blocking it from coming in. That makes a lot of sense to me. Nice.

And this is a classic thing in therapy. This is a classic thing in therapy. That my therapist is like, you are obsessed with thinking about things in terms of a right way and a wrong thing to handle something. And you should stop doing that. There's this Egyptian goddess called Bost. It's like the goddess of cats, but she's also the goddess of fairness. And the idea of fairness to her is not right or wrong,

but a favorable outcome for all. And so it's about really releasing what you believe justice is and separating the difference between fairness and justice. Oh, wow. That's gorgeous. It's a hard lesson to learn in life. Okay.

Because we get really ingrained and we hold these certain injustices as offenses to our identity instead of realizing that there is just like one step outside the situation. I see. Wow. I want to talk about this. Mo taught me this thing called bottom beliefs that I just really want to quickly talk about before we ask the question. Yeah.

No, I don't even know what bottom beliefs is. So explain it to me like an idiot. Okay. This is – And the listeners too. I'm going to do the dumb idiot explanation and then Mo is going to actually – Expound. Is going to like fill in the blanks.

I need the idiot one too because I forget what I talk about all the time. Bottom beliefs. You name a belief that you have about something okay usually and it's helpful if it's a destructive belief or it's if it's the belief that's like sort of holding you back in some way okay like i'll say like um i believe that the gate like this is something that i've gotten over recently that i've made progress on i believe that the gay community is uh racist towards. Okay. And then you get to the bottom, you just basically keep bottoming out

and nesting that belief. Well, why do you think that? Because I think that Asians are, like Asian males are sort of emasculated in Western culture. Well, why do you believe that? Because I believe that, you know, we value European standards of beauty. Well, why do you believe that um uh uh you know we value european standards of beauty well why do you believe that because and then you just keep basically digging to the bottom of until you can't

explain it away anymore um that's kind of a crazy example but like i what's the value in this is just to like get to the root of why you think that you like what this belief is and then you just realize that like and this is something i've told you is that and like what this belief is and then you just realize that like and this is something i've told you is that and i've talked about probably on some other episodes is that like any destructive belief is just a string of words and language is just a way to contain a concept that otherwise would not even exist mentally like in in our thought right in our thoughts basically like we wouldn't think about um you know let's say i wouldn't think about uh being gay if being if if the word gay didn't exist to contain that whole

experience yeah so like that's like like the only the only real thing is numbers that and that that and yeah you have said this before upstate five the only real thing is numbers and both times i've tripped on acid that's been the thing the only real thing is numbers henry henry kapurski also says the same thing he says the only real thing is numbers numbers and i had a special moment where he was talking about like prime numbers like you're in your prime when you're winning with your in alignment you're in your prime you're in your prime and prime numbers only hold within itself and itself. And that's the whole meaning of it. And so anyway – and you're basically doing that with bottom beliefs is you're basically dividing a thought, a belief into itself until you cannot reduce it to whatever its hole is. I mean Bone did an amazing job describing it.

I don't know. You did. You really did. The idea is, you know, especially if you have trauma and I believe all of us in the queer community have trauma even if you don't want to identify as you know having done that it's just like you're already on a deficit but and i don't mean that in a you know no i yeah i get it so what i'll say is what happens then is a lot of beliefs come from one bottom belief so it's like say your belief your bottom belief is i'm unworthy of love right but you might not realize that that's the bottom belief because there's all these other things floating around of just guys don't

like me or I'm too much, I'm annoying or I'm embarrassing or I talked too much. And all these little chatters, right, are little like stems off this one bottom fucking belief. So you can deal with the fact that you're an embarrassment or whatever it's like because you're not, right? Even though that thought bubbles up, but you're still not addressing the root problem at the bottom. So what happens is a new one grows. And so you can like try and like get through it, but you don't. So this really helped me when I was processing a lot of trauma, because I would get really anxious and really embarrassed about something. And, you know, I'd wake up in the morning, I'd be like, oh my God, I was the worst person. I have to find new friends. I'm so embarrassing. I'm the worst person alive. It's like, okay. So it's, you know,

who, what, where, when, why, or what's the worst thing and what happened about that? So it'd be like, oh, well, I'm the worst person alive. Okay. What's the worst part about that? Well, nobody likes me because I'm the worst. Okay. Well, why are you the worst? Because I'm really, I talk too much. Okay. Well, what's the worst part about talking too much? That I could annoy someone. Okay. Well, what's the worst part about annoying someone? Then they won't love me. Well, why wouldn't they love you? Because I'm unlovable. Whoa! And then you get to this bottom belief of like, shit. And then

when I get to the bottom, what I like to do, and a lot of times if you have blocked memories, it doesn't work, but you just have to sit with that feeling of just like, first of all, I feel it in my body. I'm like, okay, is that my tummy? Is that my heart? Like, where is that? And then I say, do I remember where this started? And you might not.

It might go to some weird random like high school memory where like someone rejected you. But like if that's what manifests in your mind then, then you like you sit with that and then you just truly like work through that moment. Maybe you cry. Maybe you punch a pillow. But you release that bottom belief. This has helped you immensely?

Oh my gosh. And it's something simple and I'm sure there's so many ways in psychology and therapy that it manifests, right? For people to do this and there's better ways. But for me. But for you. Yeah, I really found that like

finding a core source of something has cut it off. It's weeding, you know? You have to get the roots. Yes. I had like a weird date the other night and then the day after i woke up an hour before i usually would and my chest was like i felt so anxious and i swear to god i did not know why like it didn't go the way i wanted it to and i woke up in the morning and i yeah it just like the next day i was like i feel horrible and i i literally

could not answer the question why and so that is something i will use from now on because i had never heard of this like i think conceptually i knew what this was but that sounds like it really helped and bitch a concept needs a fucking it's the linguistic thing if you need the word before you and yeah to understand the concept it's like i feel anxious like why do you think you feel anxious because i had a date last night that didn't go well okay well what about it didn't go well we didn't have sex why did why did you not have sex because it didn't feel like there was chemistry there or why are you describing why are you putting value on the sex yeah oh yeah that's another interesting question i guess that that's some that's another question i have is it's like how do you know when you're taking it off track the bottom beliefs thing what's the question you're

supposed to ask every single time what's the worst thing about this i mean that helps me what i'd say is first of all especially for you if you're like already weeding through a lot i like to feel it on my body right so then i don't net and very picey but you don't might not have the words right so you're like okay my tummy hurts you know, what is that feeling down there? What is that base sacral sort of feeling? And it's just like, you know, what do I associate with that gut? I trust. Okay, well, I don't trust.

Why didn't I trust? You know, you can do that. But when you get to a bottom, it's pretty simple is what I'd say. You know what? I just really discovered something about myself even just saying that, which is that I make a lot of things about sex. Yeah. So like maybe you're like my value is sex and that might be your bottom belief yeah and that's something that's important for you to work through and recognizing it is already helping it you know move yeah like the like i don't know i was talking to you about this

like being like in los angeles now in a new city you're meeting a whole bunch of new like gay men or people like like that you could have relationships with and something I'm finding is a block is like I can't get over this thing of like I like the sometimes the first thing I think when I look at someone is like am I attracted to them are they attracted to me yeah like that is like something that like I don't know it's like for some reason a preoccupying thing do you guys have that um yeah although yeah but you feel it's different well it's it's just different like if i were to move to la i i would meet those people and i would imagine that they the just the interest wouldn't be like i wouldn't have anything to work off and just be like okay well most of these people probably would not want to engage with me. I think everyone is, you know, whatever your wound is.

Like mine would be if I met all these people, I would assume all of them were into me and I would instantly reject them because I don't like that energy. So like everyone is sort of filtering through the lens of their trauma, you know? So that's for you. And for me, it's just I would meet these people and I'd be like, you're probably not attracted to me. And I think my thing is when I meet these people, I think, well, I'll, well, I don't know. Like it's, it's when you grow up and everyone's like, like, ah, okay, this is maybe going to be a lot.

But like when you grow up and you're told like, you're so handsome, you're so handsome. Like, like this is something that you're given since you're a little kid and you're told to like ascribe value to that. And please understand, I know this is like a very privileged and insane thing to say but then when you get into a community that so obviously prizes like the only the top physical specimens and you've been cultured to believe that your attractiveness is one of the best things about you and like one of the most important things about you that could make you feel worthless and i think that's why like a lot of people who you would think wouldn't necessarily be self-conscious like at parties like that warehouse party we went to in la

like a lot i think everyone there is like freaking out and we would all tell you if we were all honest and telling each other like i'm freaking out are you freaking out you'd look at people and be like you're freaking out what do you mean but it's like you know and so i think like something i'm literally discovering like in this and like i think i knew this is just i put a lot of uh importance on like my sexual capital in certain situations because i feel like it's a way in i don't know heady not petty heady heady heady. Well, I think you have to reprogram a lot of shit. Yeah. I have to go to therapy big time.

Well, I think, yes, I think you need things. I mean, therapy, right? Like we do, there's value in breath work. There's value in, you know, exercise. Like there is things that we do have to do to release these things that we shouldn't have been drilled with. But, you know, like it is big dog time. You know, you're an adult.

It's time to grab that and be like, you know what, bitch? I don't feel good. This doesn't make me feel good. Like I left that party and like I think I texted like you and Dave and I was like, is it insane that I just left this place? Like why? And then someone's like, no, when you figure out something is not for you, that's it. Like you can take yourself out of a situation.

I think I was telling you, well, I was telling you, I was talking to you from a place of like, yeah, I've known this to be true. Yeah, I think you have. And it's just like, I was like,

I walk into that space and I'm already like, okay, like this isn't for me. I'm not going to really be, like this is not a place where I'm going to stand out in any positive way. So I'll just like let that go and just buy a fucking huge slice of watermelon and take

that into the warehouse and eat watermelon while the lights are strobing. I had a great time. But it's also... But that is the way that you sort of reckon with that situation is hard and it's tough.

And I'm sorry. Do you, like, do you understand what I'm saying when I say that? I totally get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. Yeah. Are you kidding? It is a huge life lesson to realize that like, you don't have to be putting yourself in these situations where you feel judged or inadequate or, you know, not worthy.

Right? Yeah. And you're not anything less for not being in those situations it's an interesting concept this i mean you know what i say i think um all of the people in our lives and like all the people listening like all really want a lot for themselves in their lives but what that means is really facing hard um things about yourself head on so you can move through them and be the thing you want to be yes yes yes and so you guys are good or they're just there just has to be this and i'm not saying that like some people

don't have this but there has to be this recursive thing in you this mechanism that tells you i should address this and change because then they're just well, there are some people who don't have that, who do not want to examine. And that's it. And I literally told you in a bitchy way recently. I was like, well, you should examine this thing about you. And, but that's just me. That's just me saying like, you know, like.

But it was about this. It was literally about, it was, do you know about the former Congressman Aaron Schock? No. So he was like, he was literally about it was do you know about the former congressman aaron shock so he was like at he was in congress illinois he's from illinois and he was very anti-gay republican yes but rumor started right right so young and like uh conventionally attractive in fact muscular and was even on the cover of like some like men's fitness magazines like to the to that extent right and he was like kind of like a star Republican because he was like young and like hot and

like still held their beliefs got caught accepting bribes yeah and he had to leave in disgrace decorated his office inspired by Downton Abbey and there were started to be rumors about him being gay so that has been confirmed like in the past few months

he's just been very out in west hollywood like around and now he's not in congress anymore he's just doing whatever and like he is very much like a figure like on the scene and he was at coachella and pictures of him making out with guys and like doing whatever and like very much doing the whole coachella thing came out and so all of a sudden there was all this talk about him again meanwhile he had been like on the scene in west hollywood for months but the coachella pictures really made it like a viral talking point on twitter and stuff wait has this person talked back their rhetoric no from oh okay because that's like so that's what people got mad they were like okay they were like normally we like all these gay media outlets were like normally we would never joke out at someone.

That is a very personal thing. But for someone who has destructively acted against the queer community, we have no problem just shining a light on this. Yeah, because there's a difference between putting out your internalized misogyny outwardly. That happens. It's unfortunate. It's sad.

It's a cycle of abuse. It's a cycle of that. But to gain power and then to use that power against lesser powerfully people and then to be like basically i'm gonna say for a certain section for an important section of the queer community to be accepted and embraced that's oh absolutely i mean and that's the thing is it's like if he didn't look the way he looked there there wouldn't even be a discussion about this. Like Larry Craig. Truly. Larry Craig happened.

Everyone was like, bye. Nope, see ya. Everyone. Yep. And because he is. There was no place for him in the gay community. Nope. There's a place for Aaron Schock in the gay community.

And that is something I think that that's, I'm almost, I'm happy that it's a conversation because I think it's something that the gay community truly needs to discuss. Yeah. Is why we let people like this get away with whatever they want um but what happened was i was seeing it go viral on twitter and i almost even tweeted like uh why don't we ignore this

person actually instead of retweeting this picture like i was like getting annoyed that we were retweeting it so much i'm like okay like we're still circulating like this photo of this person and then I realized I actually had been following him on Instagram like unbeknownst to me and somebody like took a screenshot of the fact that I was following him and posted it online and Bowen texted me and he was like are you following Aaron

Shock on Instagram and I was like no and then I realized I was and I was like oh my god I am but I didn't realize and I unfollowed him immediately etc and he was like oh my god I am but I didn't realize and I unfollowed him immediately etc and he was like I took a moment to be disappointed in my friend and I was just like how do I what do I say to

like the person I care most about in this whole world I was like and it came off in the way that it comes off when I say things sometimes where it was just a little mean and snarky and whatever I was just like well maybe you examine it which i mean is something you know i mean if we even zoom out like here's what i'll say is this the gay community is facing this intersectionally which has been you know like you know black girls don't get their photo

when they're kidnapped and then you have women who are not pretty enough when they're assaulted that they don't get coverage yes and it is like this huge problem where it is like based in like the beauty values of like young straight white cis women yes yes and then i feel like that's permeating out and these it's plying it's you know reacting totally reenacting in all these different ways and we all i don't know it's just i'm like let's all figure out together i know i think i think it's like for our like i wish it like i don't wish think it's like for our, like, I wish it, like, I don't know, wish it could, but like for our community, it presents an interesting topic of conversation. It just, it's honestly going to come down to whether the people that need to change

or need to make changes are going to want to talk about this. Like, are they actually going to want Aaron Shock to not be there? This is my favorite metaphor of analogy. Okay. want Aaron Shock to not be there. This is my favorite metaphor of analogy but similarly blah blah blah. Okay. So this is what I believe with all like and I believe we're doing this

and we've been doing this but like with when it comes to activism. Okay. So after I think it was like on all the Grammys Katy Perry was having a party

at One Oak. Okay. Okay. And she was playing horrible music and it was not good music. Is this J-Lo? Bitch it's fucking J-Lo. Oh my God. Go. And so I think horrible music. And it was not good music. Is this J-Lo? Bitch, it's fucking J-Lo.

Oh my God, go. And so, I think I've told you this before. I love that. And so J-Lo arrives with all of her friends, right? Music band, all her friends. You know, it's like the hobnob situation. Like you want to stay there. You want to see and be seen.

Yes. And so J-Lo's like, I'm not having fun. J-Lo doesn't say, everyone, let's go. J-Lo doesn't say, I'm done. Let's shut this party down. J-Lo just leaves. And guess what? That confidence, that standing in that, everybody fucking followed J-Lo.

It's, okay, I mentioned this on Seek Culture. It's that DEA agent thing. This is, okay, can I tell you this is a similar thing? I'm horny for a DEA agent. There's this book that I'm reading now. It's very, I'm recommending it to everyone. I'm telling everyone it's very i'm recommending it to everyone i'm telling everyone it's very new age language but it's the the writer martha beck is very self-aware

and she's very but she's got solid jokes solid hahas she she can she can fit into any room solid hahas but she um she has this d dea agent friend, instead of kicking down doors and a drug raid and holding up a gun, will just find a way to sneak, will find a way to enter the space and just walk in and just calmly sit down in front of the people. Oh my God. The people in there. Yeah.

And he'll just be like, and Emma's heard this and Matt's heard this, and then the people are just like confused, but not fully they're startled but not like alarmed because normally they'd run away

if it was like if a gun was being held to their you know like pointing in the direction but they're just like startled and they're confused like who is this person

and then after like a moment this agent just is like come with me and everyone's like okay the power that has and then he arrests them. The international implications that that has.

The clear that that has. The access that that has. All of it. You know what? I'm sure there's a great deal of privilege to this method. Yes, of course. But yeah, that rules. But to be able to get to the place where I'm like,

you know what? I'm going. and I don't care what anyone else does or says that is tough you know what I mean going oh like to be the J-Lo to be the J-Lo in that situation yeah yeah yeah is like this is literally like say it's the Oscars you know what I mean for so for example like you know don't

love giving them super a lot of credit but like Will and Jada uh boycott on the oscars that year they were like the first ones to kind of say we're not going yeah that's the oscars yeah you know what i mean like and to be able to say you know what actually i'm gonna reject this thing that that we've all been cultured to hold up higher than anything else in our film industry yeah it's like that is that takes a lot of balls because you're probably saying when you do hashtag boycott oscars or whatever you're probably never getting nominated for an oscar you know what i mean like it's like now with the wga and like you know all

the drama that's happening with that it's like you know it's it's a lot to say, like, I'm going to fire my agent. But you do it because, like, that's what's right. Union, baby. And you stay with your union or whatever. But it's hard to often do the right thing in the face of society being like, well, it's this way. Totally. You know what I mean? Like, tell as old as time, I guess.

Tell as old as time. And what society is saying is this way is you get abs. Yeah. We'll care. You can get away with anything. It is psycho. It's psycho. It is psychotic.

And it must change. And we all have to lose our abs. Yes. If you have abs. I'll be the first to lose them. If you have abs, you are fascist. It's time to eat bread. It's time to eat bread. And by eat bread, I mean ask the question.

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Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Mo? Yes, what's your answer? You made you say cultures for me. Okay. Here's my thing. I'm a fucking

culture hound. Yes. Multiple answers. Miss culture. I could have a million. I decided to narrow my focus to one specific today. And you know what? If it doesn't ring true to you, I have others. Now and Then. Now and Then. The movie now with Christina Ricci

as Roberta with Rosie Donald as Roberta as well. We have Demi Moore. We have Gabby Hoffman. Oh, Gabby. We have Melanie Griffith. We have Thora Birch. We have... 90s icons oh my gosh we have

Rita Wilson we have the girl that played the young Chrissy who did not have a career after but I wish her the best we have who was the other kid

Thora Birch Christina Ricci Gabby Hoffman yeah that's four I'm gonna look it up look up now and then here's my thing cause can you believe

I've never seen this movie I think you should really see it it's super dark like Robert oh my gosh it was just super formative like Devin Sawa that was like his opening he was dark. Oh, my gosh. It was just super formative. Like, Devin Sawa, that was, like, his opening.

Oh, wait. He was Mr. 90s heartthrob. Oh, my God. He was so hot in that. And my sister and I used to play now and then. But first of all, growing up, I'd always play the boy parts and everything. And so, like, when we were playing, thank you, queer. And then we were playing Sailor Moon, like, I'd be Darian. And, like, when we were playing now and then, I'd be Devin Sawa.

And, like, which we would just play now and then, which is the movie. This is amazing, this cast. is a movie this is amazing this cast you guys this is crazy this is Gabby Hoffman, Demi Moore, Christina Ricci, Rosie O'Donnell Rita Wilson, Thora Birch, Melanie Griffith, Devin Sawa Rumor Willis, Cloris Leachman, Hank

Azaria, Bonnie Hunt, Janine Garofalo wow Brendan Fraser as an uncredited Vietnam veteran where he told Roberta he got a purple heart and it was this moment and oh my god like and Roberta had lost her mom so they were going through trauma and then like Sam's parents were getting divorced and it was all about these best friends who were 12 years old in the 70s and just like like going through like Roberta would make death jokes and they're like it will help you process and Sam would run away when her

parents were fighting and then like like Chrissy was like becoming a young woman and like teeny wanted to be a woman so many themes it was truly like it packed so much into one damn movie and then they like did a sans and my sister and i would do sans after that like and they like contacted dear johnny who was this ghost. You guys, you gotta see it. No, that's what I need. And also, I'm kind of fascinated by Rosie O'Donnell as a concept. Oh, yeah. And who she is and what she does and what her career has been.

I forget that in the early 90s, she was an actress. Oh, she was an actress. She was League of Their Own. League of Their Own, iconic. Oh, yeah. I mean, I just remember her talk show where she'd have a different desk every day and the Oreo-themed one really spoke to me. She was fucking Harriet the Spy.

Queen of Nice. Queen of Nice. Queen of Nice. She was great. She like, I mean... Is she a good actress? Yes. Yes?

Like, here's my thing. She's a Jennifer Aniston. She's not gonna play way outside her range, but what she does, she does fucking well. Wow. I love that. I love that. And there's nothing wrong with that.

No. When you're good at it. Well, here's my thing. It's just that I think we've kind of come to expect everything out of actors now, where it's like you have to be versatile. You have to be a Christian Bale. You have to kill yourself and then come to life again

and then rise. And it's just like, okay, well, let someone be good at one thing and let that be good and appreciate it I think there's nothing wrong with being a Jennifer Aniston because Jennifer Aniston knows exactly what Jennifer Aniston does and nobody gives her it or money or money

it sucks Jennifer Aniston is poor it's actually rule of culture number 16 Jennifer Aniston is poor she needs our help cake was like a glimmer of a moment for her I didn't see cake but I heard I heard that she

fucking turned the cake or the good girl whatever that one was good girl I have seen I didn't see that I didn't see that cause good girl has young hot Jake Gyllenhaal

young hot and full come and full come I'm hopeful that she will have some sort of renaissance she has in Dumplin' she was in oh and she's gonna be in this new fucking Apple TV show.

Have you heard about this Apple TV show? Yes, I have heard about this Apple TV show. With Reese Witherspoon? Yes. The trailer for the Apple TV stuff looks really good. I know, and I have weird feelings about it. Yeah, I feel real mixed. I'm like, oh, Minority Report!

But I'm also like, I love women performing in front of me. No, I'm excited. I just, ugh, I had a little missed opportunity there bowen was cast on a show that well you know yeah we don't want to take the we don't want to take it away from the person who's playing the part so we're not going to say what it is that would be uh disrespectful but but uh bowen almost was on an Apple TV show and it looks really cool honestly it looks very cool

I mean hey that's not your that's not mine all the shows look really cool and I'm gonna say three shows that look cool and one of them is the show because I do want to talk about it one of them is the show that Bowen is referencing and two of them are not you know what looks really amazing?

What? That show, um... Dickinson. That show Dickinson. That show Dickinson looks really good. The Haley Steinfeld show. Oh my gosh, I should have booked that. Oh, you should have booked that.

Do you know, I auditioned for Constance Wu's part in the new J-Lo stripper movie. Oh, wait. And I was like, why didn't I get it? Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you would have been perfect. You would have been amazing. Wait, what's new J-Lo stripper movie. And I was like, why didn't I get it? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you would have been perfect. You would have been amazing. Wait, what's the J-Lo stripper movie?

It's about the score story where they would drug the guys and then take like $150,000 from them. It's fucking awesome. I love that. It's really cool. What? I don't know about this story.

Cardi B's gonna be in it. Constance Wu, J-Lo, fucking, Julia Stiles is playing the reporter. So fucking good. Wait, wait, wait. What is the story of this movie? They would drug these men and they would take their money.

So they were strippers at Scores on the west side of Manhattan. And they like, so what would happen is these really, really wealthy guys would come in and they would get them really drunk and they would put like ecstasy

and all sorts of different things in their drinks. And then they would charge up their credit card like with like $150,000 in a night and the guys would be so embarrassed because they weren't

supposed to be there that it was going for like years yes and then they got a little bit over jealous and started

are they in jail now most of them got a good chunk is this going to be a drama or a comedy I think it's going to be a comedy

I couldn't tell from the script oh okay it's because it's J-Lo and it's Constance Wu and it's like It's going to be a comedy. I couldn't tell from the script. Oh, okay. Because it's J-Lo and it's Constance Wu. And it's like... Cardi. To me...

Cardi's in it? That's what she's saying. Yeah, Cardi. I didn't know that. Cardi, Julia Stiles. To me, what it feels like, at least from the press, is it looks like it's going to be an Ocean's 8 situation where you laugh, but you're more empowered.

This is the thing. I love that there's this cultural thing that's happening with scammers where like you're Elizabeth Holmes, you're Fyre Fest, you're fucking what's her name?

Anna Delvey. Yes. Anna Delvey. She was the original. The original scammer. I just like to get Chanel purses. Well, even like

bling ring shit. Like bling ring was so ahead of its time. Like fucking Alexis Nyers was so ahead of her time. They robbed Adriana Parks' house. That was so good. So time like fucking alexis nyers was so ahead of her time they robbed our adriana parks that was so good so funny this is alexis nyers calling um but uh what was i gonna

say oh no so it's interesting that there's this cultural thing that's happening now with like scammers being like wow what what are the minds of these people but now also it's like after oceans eight you've got the dirty rotten scoundrels gender gender flip thing where it's anne hathaway oh my gosh are you serious it's called the hustle the 8, you've got the Dirty Rotten Scoundrels gender flip thing where it's Anne Hathaway and Rebel Wilson. Oh my gosh. Are you serious? Oh, yes. It's called The Hustle. The Hustle.

Yes, that looks cute. I'm excited for that. That looks cute. And then like this stripper movie now, I feel like there's just more like scamming movies maybe that are specifically female-led anyway. Yeah. Okay, but talk us through Now and Then. Let's go back to Now and Then. Oh, wait, wait.

No, I'm sorry. Elizabeth, what's her name? Dickinson. Dickinson. Oh, Emily Dickinson. Yes, yes, yes. Emily Dickinson. I'm so sorry. I just like know so many Dickinsons. You do, you do. I'm sorry. Elizabeth, what's her name? Dickinson. Dickinson. Emily Dickinson. I'm so sorry.

I just know so many Dickinsons. You do, you do. I'm really smart. Emily Steinfeld is playing Emily Dickinson, and they talk modern, but it's set in period. Are we talking Sofia Coppola situation, or are we talking good or bad? We're talking it looks good. Oh, great.

Good, good, good. Jane Krakowski plays the mom. What did I just say? Jenna Maroney voices into the mic. You did say that. You did the mic. You did say that. You did say that. Jane's my girl. Jane is so good. Jane Krakowski is an icon.

She's an icon. I actually think her best comedic moment, and there have been so many, but I'll never get over in the pilot of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt when she offers a Fiji water to Kimmy. Kimmy says she doesn't want it and she just throws it in the garbage. That is such a funny joke.

Just like opening a fridge and revealing it's chock full of Fiji water. Do you want one? She says no, and she throws it out. Throws it in the garbage. That character choice. So good. And the way she throws it out, like no hesitation, just, well, she doesn't want it,

so I'm throwing it out. I still don't know how I feel about the Native American arc, I know. I'm gonna bravely say, I think it's funny. I think they're very aware. I think like the people on that show were very aware of the absurdity of it i think that's

why they chose exactly with it yeah and people like responded the way they were expected to respond but it's i mean i think about it and i laugh that show is a cartoon nothing exists in the world like truly honestly it's so heightened yeah i just feel like with 30 rock and with unbreakable kimmy sch Schmidt the world is so heightened and Carol Kane you just gotta laugh come on people I know

I know Kimmy you gotta get in here Kimmy I'm so spooky that is my sense of humor like when I read like when I sit down to write like

the stuff that like from my own voice I feel like it's like everything might as well be a cartoon I love that I respond to that and also just like the whole like, everything might as well be a cartoon. I love that. I respond to that.

And also just like the whole like Tina Fey, Robert Carlock, like style of just like joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke,

joke, joke. Even when it's like, even when it's too fucking much. No, you don't Oprah. No, you don't Oprah.

I feel like, I love it. I feel like people our age have had just enough distance from 30 Rock now where I go, I watch an episode for the first time in like months or no not months like a year and a half and I was just like holy shit this is like this a this like

for good people still are trying to emulate this voice yeah and be like so funny see like the legacy of it is so strong I just feel like it. And also Kimmy Schmidt was so fucking brilliant. Did you see the episode last, which the last year,

the sliding doors with TJ Fink, with TJ Fink, DJ Fingerblast played by Derek Glenna, who's a friend of mine actually. And it was a whole like making a Making a Murderer-type documentary episode. Oh, I've heard about this. It was so funny. They're so good.

It was so fucking funny. And truly, almost none of the major characters were even in it. Also, Aidy Bryant, fucking Aidy Bryant is so funny as the, um, Jon Hamm's, like, girlfriend. Oh, Ankeny Schmidt? Yes. Oh, my God. That's great. That's great. She's, like, in denial about the fact as the John Hamm's like girlfriend oh and Kimmy Schmidt yes

oh my god that's great that's great she's like in denial about the fact that like he's got like more women like girlfriends

yeah it's just so funny I love that truly everything everything about Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt I love so funny

Unbreakable I like when things don't exist on planet earth I do like that totally totally I mean it's Spider-Man too many Many Spider-Men. What is it?

Oh, God, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing like it. Oh, my God. So now and then, if they remade it, what's the cast? Oh, my God. How do we do it? Oh, God.

I don't know actors. I'm like, oh, the pretty girl with the boobs. Well, walk us through the plot. Wait, I'll give you guys other culture, because I feel like oh the pretty girl with the boobs and well walk us through the plot because I'm like wait I'll give you guys other culture because I feel like I want to enjoy

and celebrate something that you guys have experienced as well either tangentially or actually fine you give some culture and then I want to ask you

about something in culture that I think you do respond to okay I love this ready I'll give a list all the Harry Potter books Zoolander

Clueless yeah come on you are a child of Clueless I am a child of Clueless you're a child of all those things actually you are Cher Horowitz's cousin thank you so much

you really are I and your eyes fell with tears when I said that I did they really did because here's the thing I have lists

that I wrote when I was like gosh I want to say six like I have lists that has the entire cast of Clueless except for none of the men's names just how they related to the women and my name. So it's like Cher, Dion, Ty, Morgan,

Ty's boyfriend, Dion's man, like what it was, it was Cher's cute half-brother in parentheses, Josh. And like truly that movie, oh my God. Yeah, it's beautiful. I was thinking about the other day, like even just like from a directorial standpoint,

like the iconic shots, like, Oh, in the writer's room, we were, we, for some reason put on, um,

fancy by Iggy Azalea. Right. And just like that. It's a good music video. We should say. And, um, give her that credit.

Sure. Um, even though it wasn't probably her, probably a director. Yeah. But just like, like I thought about how the shots are so iconic like for example like them

standing up against the fence when they're doing tennis with their outfits outfits iconic just like the costume design the art direction of it all just the direction of it all them with their walk and talk shares voice over walk and talk

and the guy coming up and her pushing away and saying as if. It's so perfect. Just like truly everything. There are so, almost every single scene. Even the computer screen

with the outfits. Like even that. Oh my God. Almost every single scene is iconic. And her putting the mocha lip on at her vanity. It's like,

oh my God. And then the famous lines that fucking come from. Like, yeah, I hope not sporadically. Yeah. It's like, oh my God.

My bad. My bad. Like truly, so many things like started with that. that fucking come from like yeah i hope not sporadically yeah it's like oh my god my bad like truly so many things like started with that where's my friend seagull it's like oh my god we're gonna play suck and blow oh suck and blow let's play suck and blow it's suck and blow not suck and suck what an amazing movie wait what what am I gonna tell our grandchildren yeah I do not wear polyester hair oh my god

Donald Faison was so good not like some girls I know like Shawana Donald Faison was so good in that he was so good in that

when he's licking his teeth in that one scene when it's shaving his head I'm like oh that shot so good that's it I'm calling your mother

isn't it sad that Stacey Dash was so good? RIP Stacey Dash's brain. She had one back in the day. She had a good one. Well, she made good choices. Yeah, she made fantastic choices. It's sad because she's iconic in that movie.

And now you think like, you can't picture them all getting together and getting lunch, right? Because Stacey Dash is so fucking crazy. Alicia Silverstone is now like this vegan mama. She's a vegan mama now. And it's just like, that's not Stacey Dash. That's not Stacey Dash is so fucking crazy. Alicia Silverstone is now like this vegan mama that's like she's a vegan mama now and it's just like that's not Stacey Dash.

No, they are they in fact are diametrically opposed. Where's Amber at is the real question. Where the fuck is Amber at? She's doing well.

I peeped her Instagram like a couple months ago. She seems like she's doing great. Ambular. Ambular. So fucking good. My doctor says

I'm not allowed to do any activity where balls fly in my face Stacey well there goes your social life so good

Stacey was so good in that line I mean look she's just good also the line when she comes out of the car we were both named

after famous singers who now do infomercials oh that writing was so fucking good again that is a big world with joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. It is. You're a virgin who can't drive. That was way harsh, Ty.

I'm really sorry. Yeah, I'm really sorry. Let's just talk when we mellow. I'm outie. So 90s. Oh my God, you guys know what movie Brittany Murphy is so good in? Uptown Girls. Uptown Girls, riding in cars with boys. Oh, amazing. No, know what movie Brittany Murphy is so good in? Uptown Girls. Uptown Girls.

Riding in Cars with Boys. Oh, amazing. No, this is the thing. This is the thing. Brittany Murphy is iconic. She would have won an Oscar. One day she would have. Las Vegas. Even in the Ashton Kutcher movie.

I fucking loved her in that. Oh, I didn't watch that. She makes it look easy. She makes it look easy. Brittany Murphy used to make it look very easy to be that charming and that specific. Yes.

And honestly, really brought that character of Ty to life. She was perfect. And even, I don't think it's necessarily fair for me to say this, but even she might have been like a Jennifer Aniston, Rosie O'Donnell,

where she didn't play too much outside her range, but she did it well. Remember Don't Say a Word? I'll never tell. What is that? You don't remember Don't Say a Word? I'll never tell. What is that? You don't remember Don't Say a Word with Michael Douglas?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She played like she was in like a mental facility or something? She was in Girl Interrupted. She was in Girl Interrupted. No. Fucking nailed.

Okay, never mind, never mind. I take it back, I take it back. She's so good. Enjoy Disney. I have chills. We miss you, Brittany. We miss you, Brittany. You're jealous

because I was released. And then Angelina Jolie fucking lays into her with the monologue that won her an Oscar. Angelina Jolie, I get chills when I think about it. She is my drag mother. You are a child of Angelina. Thank you so much.

Do you want to know some tea I heard about Angelina Jolie? Maybe. Go. She fucking loves Survivor. That's great. Because she gives one. Because she goes to Survivor watch parties with all her kids. That's so fun.

I like that. And that she goes to Survivor watch parties with all her kids. That's so fun. I like that. And that they all watch Survivor. Did you know that Survivor is low-key still huge? Is it still on? Yes. New ones? You can't even believe how thriving it is. My sister wants to be on it.

There's a cultural shift happening with Survivor where it kind of, because I think this happened for The Bachelor too, where for a while it dipped. And then no one gave a shit. And now it's back. I'm a Batch head. I'm a Batch head. You're a Batchelor Nation.

Well, I watched for a few. I started again with Rachel Lindsay. Right. I loved Rachel Lindsay. I loved her. And then I thought that was the best season. Shocked. Well, I guess not shocked

because the world is literal garbage. Yeah. I couldn't believe when I heard that that was like one of the lower rated seasons. And then I remembered, oh. Racism. It's because of racism. Yeah. Yeah. Despite the fact that her head and shoulders being the best bachelor.

Oh, my God. She is. Like, I think about her. I'm like, I hope you're happy. I love you so much. Yeah. Well, you believed that like all these men wanted to fight for her affection. Oh, 100%.

Absolutely. I was like, yes, she is not a prize, but she's like so. If you saw her on the street, you just like want to talk to her. She has that effervescence. She has that glow where you're just like hi i i hope you have a great day yes yes yes that's my problem with like the general conceit of those shows where there's one object of affection i'm like really everyone wants to fall over the fall over themselves to marry baby well you can't have well then there's like there's a whole psychological aspect to it too right which is like you cut the people off from society for months.

And of course, they're going to think this. They're going to have a cultish mentality around it. Exactly. But with her, I was like, this season really works because I believe that all these men would truly— And I'm in love with Rachel. I, as a viewer, am in love with Rachel. Exactly. And I agree with her.

Yes. And everything she did. She had me the whole season until she picked Brian. Right. That was— Also, Peter was being- Madison, Wisconsin's own Peter. Thank you.

I ran into him in Soho. I did. Okay, ready? You did not. I did. And I did this. Okay, so when I get nervous or like overexcited or anything- The accent comes out.

It's so bad. Or like truly I am like a child where it's like one drink, excited, nervous, angry, anything. It's just I'm like, what's up, guys? Hey. And so I went- I do that too. I passed him and he was so handsome and he had that perfect gap tooth and i was like hi i'm from madison and he goes hi and he like

starts to talk to me i go i just want to say you're great um and tim platt was with me and tim's a badger head sweetest man alive my creative collaborator later and um he tim's watching me i'm going okay um so we're going to go. And then like he looked like he was going to engage. And I was like, and I truly ran away. You probably could have gotten a date out of him. I absolutely could have. I know that for sure.

Oh my God. I feel confident about that. Is he as hot in person as he is on the show? He's taller. He's stronger. He's so handsome. It's crazy. He's very handsome. And I'm like, oh my gosh, you come from my people.

Like you understand like how to eat just like only bread and white foods you know like it would have been really nice his crying

that scene where did you watch that I didn't I didn't watch it the scene where they broke up because they just like hit a wall oh I did watch that

yeah it was it was so heartbreaking to watch because it was like watching him really cry and like her really cry.

And then like when it ended up being Brian after watching that whole section of that episode where it was like watching them obviously want to be together and not. I was like this show. Fuck this show. And coming up against the parameters of the show being like he was like I really would like to date you. I'm actually feeling like really afraid of commitment right now. But and then she's like no this is the show. Like I understand. It's almost like she's like, no, this is the show. Like, I understand. It's almost like she was like, please just like go through these motions.

But he was unwilling to play the game. Yeah, he was. Which is like unfortunate because, you know, her. She's a smart woman. She like she would have figured out something for them. I mean, it's literally it's like it's like a what are the rules anyway situations like you. But you get engaged and you don't. You get a Neil Diamond ring and then you just keep it but he i think the madison wisconsin jumped out yeah i think the

traditionalism jumped out that's what i think first of all we should reference we should say that that as a reference that jumped out as a reference to another reality show charm school where monique says to pumpkin um remember when pumpkin spit New York yes I watched every VH1 show ever like the surreal life what was it charm school kept remember that one

where Jerry Hall had all those boys oh no that was a really good one charm school did you watch charm school first charm school your behavior last night

was whore like the whore jumped out the whore jumped out and then it jumped back in but it jumped out the whore jumped out the whore jumped out and then it jumped back in but then it jumped out the whore jumped out but then it jumped back in

academy award winner Monique to a human woman said your behavior last night was whore like the whore jumped out and then it jumped back in but then it jumped out the whore jumped try to love that the whore jumped out the whore jumped trying to love that the whore jumped out jump a whore

jumping out picture a whore jumping out the whore jumped out like it's like a banshee from your spear like it just sucks on a dick that is that is such a satisfying season of television if you watch it back because i think it did succeed in its mission where it was like outfits the outfits we need outfits but it succeeded in what its mission was which is just to like have these women like whatever like maybe like

it is a little problematic. Cattiness was the goal. Fights were the goal. Physical fights were the goal. But it was problematic for them to be like less trash. Like the bad girls club

on Oxygen. It is a little class gross to be like we'll make you less trashy. Uh huh. But it was satisfying to watch. Yeah.

And Safaree who won the whole fucking season was amazing and she had such a good arc will make you less trashy. Uh-huh. But it was satisfying to watch. Yeah. And Safari, who won the whole fucking season, was amazing and she had such a good arc and she had the best arc because she got eliminated before she even got a name on Flavor of Love season two.

Yeah. Remember this? Yep. Safari got into a fight. Safari. With this poor woman. I forget who it was, but they fought over,

and then no, this woman, they fight over a bed. This woman takes a bouquet of flowers and starts hitting Safiree. Safiree grabs onto her hair. And then Safiree just goes, don't you hit me with flowers. And they fight. And then she gets kicked out.

And then at charm school, Monique does this whole ceremony where she has all the girls step up and reveal their real names and she divorces the Flava Flav names from their names and then it gets to Sapphire. It's like, pumpkin, what's your real name? It's this. It's never going to be that again. Yeah, like red oyster. What was your real name?

It's that red oyster. Hoops, what's your real name? Hoops, what's your real name? And then they get to Sapphire and Monique just goes, Sapphire, we're going to give up that terrible name. No, I do not remember this. No. So tell me what your real name? And then they get to Safiree and Monique just goes, Safiree, we're gonna give up that terrible name. No, I do not remember this.

No. So tell me what your real name is. And then Safiree just goes, it's Safiree. Like, I didn't get a name and so Safiree is my real name. It's beautiful television. That's so fun.

Who is fascinating is Monique. Monique is fascinating. Going from being one of the stand-up legends, the queens of comedy, to charm school whatever, to honestly, what was it? Beer Fest. Remember Beer Fest?

Oh. She was in Beer Fest. Her big line in that movie was, I'm going to break your dick off. Every boy in my grade would get together and watch that multiple times that year. And I was just like, can you guys hang out? Yeah, I saw it in the shitty movie theater in town. Original cock destroyer, Monique. in my grade get together and watch that multiple times that year and I was just like can you guys hang out? Yeah.

I saw it in the shitty movie theater in town. Original cock destroyer Monique. Original cock destroyer Monique. Dick Precious. Then Precious based on the novel Pushed by Sapphire. Immediately after.

Academy Award winner in an incredible performance. Oh yeah. And then disgraced and blacklisted by certain sections of Hollywood for shitty reasons. Well she's been fully blacklisted by truly sections of Hollywood for shitty reasons.

Well, she's been fully blacklisted by truly Oprah and Tyler Perry. It's crazy. Which is psycho. And also Lee Daniels. Like, they still feud. Remember the whole Steve Harvey thing that just happened?

That was a whole thing. Yes, yes. Did you not know about this? What happened? So basically, when Precious was coming out, Okay. there was obligations or like assumed obligations on everyone on the cast part to promote it.

So they were invited to Cannes, where the film was being shown. And Monique declined to go to Cannes because she wasn't being paid to do press. Okay. to go to con because she wasn't being paid to do press okay so basically she was not willing to play ball with any promotion and then she wouldn't campaign for herself to win the oscar because she felt it would be unfair to do it like politics and she won the oscar anyway that's the most legit thing i've fucking ever heard of right but hollywood's a business and she didn't play ball and then it was this whole thing with like it became very public about how and why she wouldn't play ball. And then it got very ugly.

What was the why? Did we figure that out? It legit was just about not being paid to do things. And she was like, I have a family. So respecting herself. At the time she had a BET talk show. I don't know if you remember that. Right, right.

But then she ended up losing a lot of it because I think she lost a lot of like industry respect but really just based on the whole thing of like she wouldn't play a ball in the way they wanted her to and then it became public and ugly and I don't think she's like necessarily probably an easy person to deal with but

you know when you're that talented that's a groundbreaker that's someone leaving the party even though they know someone's not going to follow them. Pioneer in open relationships. Pioneer not shaving your legs. Open relationship queen. And not shaving your legs queen. Pioneer.

And I remember, like, she was asked about her open relationship by some interviewer. It might have been Diane Sawyer or something. But they, like, grilled her about her open relationship. And this was, like, truly probably, like, four years ago, three, four years ago. And I was just like, something about this feels relationship. And this was like truly probably like four years ago, three, four years ago. And I was just like, something about this feels really weird.

Like stop, leave her alone. It works for her. And it was this whole thing of like, it kind of was like, remember years ago when Britney Spears said masturbation was secret, right? I mean,

sacred, sacred. And, and Diane, sorry, it was like, it's what? And Britney like went back in her shell and was like,

Oh, I think I was confused. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm like, see, no, that Brittany like went back in her shell and was like, oh, I think I was confused. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm like, see, no, that's why Brittany is the way she is now is because we fucking battened down every single impulse she ever had so that she could be good for us.

Meanwhile, like let her say masturbation is sacred. But that's what I'm saying. Like we're talking at brunch today. Like we have to undo a lot of things that we absorbed. Like, cause I would see Anne Heche and I would be like, oh, so you can can't you can't like both okay oh my god like because everyone was like she dated ellen and then she dated a man so she's confusing we don't die

we hate this and i remember watching that being like sorry okay like ah like imagine being someone who's like watching that britney interview and they and then she shames her for masturbating. Masturbating. That kid then is not going to touch themselves. Oh, it's a... So, you know... Yeah. That kid is not going to touch themselves. They're not going to know to do that. I love that you heard yourself say it. It sucked that I didn't know because I hate being like,

well, not like that. In my head, I literally saw you like ride up on a jet ski, turn around and go the other way. Like that was the image I saw. I'm like ride up on a jet ski, turn around, and go the other way. That was the image I saw. Running up on a jet ski, turning, the water spewing, and then you go, I have to go back. Bye.

Wow. Have you ever ridden a jet ski? No, I refuse. It's scary. Jet ski is straight culture. It is straight culture. There's these things that are still so violently dangerous and people like you haven't jumped out of a fucking plane and you have but guess what i don't believe you should have had to no no that was straight

culture that was straight it was definitely me jumping out of that plane was absolutely straight culture but i am happy that i did it because it feels funny to me now yeah sure like i i i don't think i've ever shown you the video i'm sure you've seen the video i've never seen the video i don't i don't care too honestly i you've talked about it it's literally me like no that's scary you've talked about it so many times i i was there oh wait we didn't get to address that we have made out i didn't get to speaking of straight culture me and mo did make out. Here's the thing, Matt and I, everyone said we had

insane chemistry and we know that because I think we were twins in another life for sure. Oh my God, there's so much to work through. You're a good visual match. We are.

You guys are very two good, two good. We take striking photos together. Long-limbed, long-limbed good looking people. We've been yelling for like four and a half years, our photos.

True. So you guys are playing detectives? What is going on? So it was the Reductress pilot presentation. Oh yes. And it was like so on so it was the Reductress pilot presentation oh yes and it was like so funny because it was playing on like

you know like Horatio in CS not CSI maybe CSI where he'd take his sunglasses off and be like it looks like there's another guy yeah like

what's his name David or whatever CSI Miami yes that guy yeah yeah yeah and he so like it was like playing on that

where it was just super horny when there's a dead person in front of you. Yes, yes, yes. Like straddling the body. Yeah. And so then like we would be like, should you go take a sample? And then like it then built.

And then it was after us. It was Rachel Zwininski and Brandon Scott Jones. And like both of us would do bits where the two of us would just get too horny and then fall over onto a dead body making out on it. It was. The tension became too much and we had to. So funny. Go there. Who was playing the dead body? The dead body was played on it. The tension became too much and we had to go there. Who was playing the dead body?

The dead body was played by Nicole Silverberg. Oh my God. So she wasn't, we have to include her. She was there. Forever Dog Zone, Nicole Silverberg.

Please listen to Nicole's Grey's Anatomy. Nicole's Grey's Anatomy. Dog. But yeah, we did make out. Now, what did you think of the kiss?

I think it was fantastic. I had a really good time. I had a really good time. I had a fun afternoon. Whoa. I'm horny. I felt like I started to smell bad after a while because

it was hot in there it was hot and it was like a warm day it was a summer day it was a summer day it was a summer day and you two I believe

I believe it when people fall in love on set when you kiss somewhere that used to be my dream as a kid and but

there's this thing that happens even now where it's like, it hasn't really happened to me. Oh no, this happened, this truly happened to me in Brandon Scott Jones. Where we kiss,

we kiss. Famously in a feature film. In a feature film. And I was just like, we kissed like for like a dozen times. Yeah. Yes. And then.

And you fell in love with him? And afterwards I was like. You felt something. Well, my brain was just like, I would look at him and I left to say bye to him. And I was just like, bye Brandon. And then I? And afterwards I was like... He felt something. My brain was just like, I would look at him and I left to say bye to him. And I was like, bye, Brandon.

And then I walked away and I was like, oh, but you're in love with him. Like, that is your soulmate. Like, you were... It was kind of... No, I did not feel that with you, baby. Bold of you to say.

I love you. I did not feel that with you. I have to tell you something. I didn't fall in love with you. I didn't fall in love with you. I love you. I'm not in love with you. No, I'm not in love with you.

That's not where our relationship is going. You guys are not being honest with your emotions. You guys have to get to the bottom of the leaf of why you're not attracted to each other. I have to say, have never once fallen in love on set. I've seen many popular roulette videos where everybody's making out with everybody. I will say that.

Everyone's making out with everybody. Sudi and I have made out more times than we can ever say. That makes me laugh so hard. Yes. Wow. Did you resolve the love? I did.

I did. It was just me saying, it was me acknowledging that my brain was playing tricks on me. That's spooky. Did you ever tell Brandon Scott Jones

that you were in love with him? I think so. I think I was just like, I was like, I think I get why, I get why people, Kate Winslet and a director fell in love.

There you go. Or it's just that people, like two people who have to kiss constantly for a movie. Yeah. Or maybe a play even. A theater even.

I heard T, I heard T that two co-stars hooked up. Do you want to know who the T? Yes. I heard that Evan Rachel Wood and Jimmy Simpson from Westworld hooked up. Oh, that's cute. Which one's Jimmy Simpson?

He played the young man in black. Like in the, when you find out that the spoiler alert. Oh, he's so handsome. Hot. I honestly, hard as hell for Ed in that. Ed Harris. Oh my God.

Ed Harris looks great. Has always looked great. The hottest guy. The Snape vibe in that. The one that plays, the one that plays, oh, his name is Rodrigo Santoro. He plays one of the robots, but he is like the hot bad cowboy boy. And he fucks Tandy Newton quite a bit. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, that one is like, whoa. And Tandy Newton, the children have forgotten Tandy Newton. Oh, no, no, no. Mission Impossible 3. And then she won an Emmy. And I'm gagged. The children have remembered. People have forgotten about Tandy.

Wow, good. The children have remembered. The children have remembered. People have forgotten about Tandy. Wow, good. The children have remembered. The children have remembered. I think it's time. It is time. Oh my gosh, it's time. I don't think so, honey.

Get out of here, you boys. It's time for Gaga. They are referencing my song that I sang. Was it the Oscars? The 2017 Super Bowl. Lady Gaga was... You were telling thesears? the 2017 Super Bowl Lady Gaga was you were telling these football players at the Super Bowl

to get out of here get out of here you boys it's time for Gaga that's how I felt about every football player being on the field

before halftime like it was like halfway through act two I just almost called it act two act two I guess like what the second quarter it was halfway through Act 2. I just almost called it Act 2. Act 2. I guess like what?

The second quarter? It was halfway through Act 2. And I have nothing yet. Do you know what I'm referencing? Diva's Lament from Spamalot. Oh, someone tweeted. Sara Ramirez. Okay.

So I have my I Don't Think So Honey. this is our this is our one minute to rail against something in culture that we really do not like sorry um okay this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey he has something yes the time starts now I don't think so honey the fight or flight response oh what so I'm either a coward or I'm violent bitch how about talking it out honey I don't think so honey the fight or flight response because let me tell you something i am not going to sit here and pretend that i have two options i have never once fought or flighted i have always stayed exactly still and not known what to do in a crisis and that is not fight or flight that is freezing honey 30 seconds i don't think so honey

the fight or flight response because guess what bitch no i feel that you have to sit down and talk through things and that is not in this equation never once have i been attacked by something and thought oh i'm gonna'm going to punch this thing. I wish that were my whole deal. But I'm telling you, if I'm confronted by something, I'm sitting down in shock and panic. If you're a shark and you come up to me, I die immediately.

That's not fighting or flying. That is dying. And that's one minute. Ooh, love that. I feel that the fight or flight response does not apply to me. It is fight, flight, or freeze. It is? It is like a new amended, but you are within that. I feel that the fight or flight response does not apply to me. It is fight, flight, or freeze. It is?

It is like a new amended, but you are within that. Wow. When was the amendment made? That's what I say. I don't think so, honey. Late amendment, for sure. Bingo.

But there you go, late amendment. And it's not a binary. It's a trinary. Oh, wow. That might not be the word. A trinary? Trinary. I don't think that's it.

Okay, here we go. Okay, this is Bill and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, and his time will actually start now i don't think so honey most broadway audiences because you know what sue and i went to the theater the other day looked around um the it was what the constitution means to me heidi schreck phenomenal everyone please go see it she made some big big true statements about how the founding doctrine of our country is actively working against marginalized communities and you could feel the buttholes the white buttholes upper middle class buttholes clench in that fucking audience and you know what i realized this is 30 seconds this is most broadway audiences and picture

sardis right now i can all of the families in there probably white and i'm i don't mean to like get to this very like reductive level about race but broadway audiences the reason i've had to catch up in a lot of theaters because i did not grow up in a theater loving family and most families of color probably didn't have the access to that either and i'm doing a lot of catch-up culturally but i'm'm happy to do, but I'm realizing that there is a... The gatekeepers are... The gatekeepers are white. The people are white.

The gatekeepers are the people who are just sitting in the seats in the first place, and they're displacing other people from seeing theater. And that's one minute. And that's one minute. So, now, it's an economic thing. Well, it's a class thing that is basically race, but it's just like... It's an economic thing. It's a class thing that is basically race, but it's just like... It's just like...

It's like most Broadway audiences are these older, upper-class white people. The weirdest thing is the Hamilton of it all. Well, yeah, because we're shifting to the makers being more diverse and more people, yet the viewers are still the same. In fact, it's actually getting even more difficult to buy a ticket to anything.

Exactly. And it's not this thing that's happening in film or TV. It's like there's an access block. There's like a stage gate that's being there

that is not moving that's pretty fixed. And I think it really fucking sucks because I never got to see that much theater as a kid growing up and my parents didn't care for it.

I would be like, can we please go to New York and can we please buy these tickets for this Broadway show? They'd be like, how much is it? Oh, the ones that I want

are like a hundred and they were like, no, we're not paying that much money to see theater. that's because it wasn't, culturally it was not told that it was for them.

So there's that. Well, and yes, of course. Because economically you could have afforded the tickets. Not even really. Not even, yeah, for like a justification. Back then. So there's that. And yes, of course. Because economically, you could have afforded the tickets. Not even really. Not even, yeah, for like a justification.

That's a lot. Totally. Back then, it was just like. For a whole family? The most my parents would spend on me at Christmas would be like $60. Really? And so it was just not. My heart sank when I realized how much Broadway tickets cost.

When I looked into buying tickets to go see fucking Phantom or whatever like I was just I was like what like 11 and then when Wicked came out I was like I have to see this I have to see this on Broadway and tickets were like $179 and my parents were like no and the best thing they

could do was drive me to the Gershwin Theater I would stand outside the doors and that was the most I could do. Oh, that sucks. Oh, my heart. And listen to the album, I guess. And listen to the album, of course, and knew every word.

But this is the thing that I'm realizing now, and I'm very lucky that I get to see theater, and I get to go to Broadway shows now. But I look around, and I'm just like, there's a problem here, and that is the makeup of the audiences has not changed that much in the last 20 years. Not at all.

And to be honest with you, if you really think about it, the only reason Hamilton even gets on stage is because Lin-Manuel had been proving himself with so much other work for so long. Oh, my God. He did the public. He did it in the Heights. He was at Arsenal. He was all over. My God.

Yes. You have to imagine, like, what else is out there that's so brilliant? Oh, yeah. And honestly, the majority of stuff that's even on Broadway is so aggressively average. Totally. I mean, it's, you watch it and you're like, what? Yes. Like, it's so, you know. Like, I'm even seeing, like,

Jeremy O'Harris is writing these incredible plays. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Yes. Even Slave Play was a mostly white audience, which is great. And, like, that was the audience that probably needed to see that. Yeah. Not needed to, but it's, like, I would have also loved, I would have also loved a more, like, I would have also loved, I would have also loved a more,

like, I would have also loved to like, see like some kind of texture there to that audience and be like, how is everyone else responding to this? Yeah. So I don't know. That's my thing with theater right now. That's real.

I mean, I've done a similar, I don't think so. I don't know about their behavior there. It's like, you know, like the unwrapping of candy, the talking,

the cell phones. It's crazy. I sat next to this elderly gentleman who I think his whole thing is that he goes to every show. He sat by himself, but for a solid, I kid you not,

15 minutes. Yeah. Was just going through his jacket, not even pulling stuff out of his jacket, just like folding it and then unfolding it. It was comical. And Sudi and I both stared at him. And it's a thing of like,

I think people think because they are so privileged and they have paid so much for the ticket, they can do whatever the fuck they want. But I'm like, you paid so much because like, I'm sorry, these men, these women, these non-binary people have worked their motherfucking asses off

to get on Broadway. Crazy. And your ass is like, I bought this ticket. I'm like, worked their motherfucking asses off to get on Broadway. And your ass is like, I bought this ticket. I'm like, yes, you did, to show respect. To show respect. You can't be in an audience and have there not be a cell phone go off. It's psychotic. It's psychotic.

And then it's these people, and it's also like, to and off, fucking what the Constitution means to me. Yeah, it's psycho. And also, like, it really changes the experience. I mean, when you're in the theater and the cell phone goes off, you are not paying attention anymore. Your mind for that five, 10, 15 seconds is like, when is that gonna get turned off? And you lose what they're saying.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it can change an entire theatrical experience. Right, right. People are very, very, very ignorant. Yes. Okay, that's me. And now. Oh my gosh. Mo Fry x i don't think so honey

your time starts now i don't think so honey people holding hands on the motherfucking sidewalk i'm fucking sorry we're in new york city you've seen okay we've been watching rom-com since age two of motherfuckers bobbing heads hundreds of thousands of them do y'all think you have time to double up okay we learned how to single file in child's school like real young school and I'm sorry

if it gets tight it's tight and we need a single file and you can't release hands at that point child's school are you gonna lose them are you gonna

it's not gravity bitch you know what I'm saying like you're not gonna get away from that person that person's not gonna go so far away from you that you oh my god

you can't go so far away from you. You know what I'm saying? And then the energy of like you're in a crosswalk, right? You're in a crosswalk and it's getting a little smush. And you're coming towards a couple that has a tight, firm hold on their hands. And it's like you're going to need a break. You can see you need a break. It's like Red Rover shit, you know?

And they won't. Their energy is just like if we lose hands, it's an assault on a relationship. And we actually don't like each other. And it's like, no, it's not. Let me walk through. Oh, my God god break your hands you're gonna stay together or break up you stupid bitches i don't give a shit walk i don't think so honey that's one minute and there you go that's one minute what is that death grip that rigor mortis and also congratulations on having someone to do it with honey oh my god it my God. It's just like, you know what it is?

Hand-holding is a tender act. You know, it's like, sure, if I see, you know, a daughter holding the hand of their elderly mother, yeah, hold that fucking hand. But if you're just some couple and you just need to hold on to hands. You don't. You don't. You don't. You don't. You know what?

Get out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Get out of here. Get the fuck out of here. You boys. Get out of here, you of here you boys get out of here you boys it's time for gaga I woke up I was like what's in my head and I couldn't identify the song in my head

and I kept playing it out and I realized it was get out of here you boys it's time for gaga you and I were singing it to each other earlier today not in Matt's presence but when Matt sang it back you know what we missed the separation on boys each other earlier today. Not in Matt's presence, but when Matt sang it back, you know what we missed? The separation on boys. Yeah, the hoys we forgot.

I'm going to tell you, it is going to be the song that we end on. Oh, absolutely. But first I want to say this has been a glorious episode that touched all parts of the globe. Yes. A global episode.

This was a global episode. We are local to each other and global in our thoughts. Yes. And honey, we touched each other's hearts and minds and funny bones. That's not our song. Well, we can't end on that.

No. But Mo, we love you. We love you both. We cherish you. With all my whole heart. We thank you. I thank you both. There's a brown recluse right behind you, so we should go.

I'll say, you know what? I'll end when I say, you, two gems, are so dear to my heart. And you know what? You're so dear to so many people's heart. And this podcast, you mother stupid fuckers, is one of the specialist, most wonderful, makes people feel seen, makes people feel heard. And I am so grateful that you two are in my life. And you two are so, so special.

And we love you. I think Mo is going to connect with a lot of people. You're going to have a connection. I love my audience. And now we're going to get out of here with our song that we're going to end on. Get out of here, you boys. It's time for Gaga. We were very loud.

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