Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Cows Came Home To Roost" (w/ Jay Jurden)

Episode Date: September 16, 2020

Matt and Bowen welcome the incredibly funny, talented, and, let's just say it, smoking hot Jay Jurden aka Our Bisexual King. The three queers chat this week's Verzuz: Patti and Gladys, how Andrew Gillum brought some take-the-good-with-the-bad bi representation to our this week, and getting naked. Also, Las Cultch continues to be a Mariah Carey stan podcast as Jay discusses the culture that made him say culture was for him: Mariah's "Honey" music video. The boys also discuss how Jay identified with the mutants of X-Men as a young, queer black kid from Mississippi, and he details his love for the 1992 animated X-Men series on FOX. All this and queerness in gaming, joke-writing, a continued conversation about the Monique Vs. Candiace of it all on RHOP, and, somehow, a discussion of the band The Fray. Catch Jay as one of the panelists on Grindr and Forever Dog's new podcast The RearView every Thursday, and please listen to his chart-toppin' comedy album It's Jay Jurden Y'all! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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acknowledge in our society, in our culture. You can be groggy and giggly. Actually, it's a frontrunner for Title of F. And that's shocking that that's already happened just seconds into the podcast, but sometimes that's what fate has for us. You know what's giving me a smile? What?

My sister, Matt Rogers, is having a side swept bang. I'm sort of giving you Aaron Samuels from Mean Girls, aren't I? I would say it's more, I would say it's like. What'd you go say? Like petulant, petulant child at Christmas. Petulant child at Christmas. I love that. This is what happens when I use shampoo and conditioner in my hair.

My very pin straight hair, fun fact, just sort of lays right on flat. And then it goes on and parts to the side and looks like a little cherub. It's a fun, youthful look. I look like a Lita boy. Lita boy. I love to say little like Lita. And that's actually something that the readers don't know about me. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Lita boy. I love to say little like Lita. And that's actually something that the readers don't know about me. Uh-huh, uh-huh, Lita boy.

What do you think that is, just replacing these ER sounds, these LE sounds with the letter A, with an A, a short A sound? Well, I think it's exactly what you just described. I think it's just me sort of like foregoing consonants for vowel sounds for a really comedic effect. Very, very funny. Very funny. Very funny.

You know what else might be fun? What? If me and you do a versus. Like Miss Patty and Miss Gladys last night. I only caught snippets of it, but Gladys sounds incredible. Oh my God. Gladys Knight, she sounds better than she's ever sounded.

And I will say this, Midnight Train to Georgia is a very amazing song. And it will stand the test of time. It has already stood the test of time. You talk about it as if it came out yesterday. This new hit, Midnight Train to Georgia, it's rule of culture number 26. Midnight Train to Georgia will stand the test of time. hit midnight train to georgia it's rule of culture number 26 midnight train to georgia will stand the test of time and in fact has stood the test of time i was gonna bring up something to you but i forgot what i guess i'll i guess i'll guess i'll um maybe we'll find it later but

i mean i'm actually i'm sad that you didn't get to watch the versus because I know this was a moment. And also, you forget about Patty's big hits. You forget about new attitude. the nine lives of it all the nine lives of it all very much like um i don't know who else like a tina like a fun like like a fun like quick click jolt in the 80s of like wow okay she's back you know new life and in fact new haircut and that'll do it and that'll do it um did you see dion warwick appeared with the two of them it became a whole trio trio umrio. But it wasn't fully contemptuous, was it? I mean, I heard you had Oprah in the comments. Oprah was in the comments. Mariah was in the comments. Bob the Dragon was in the comments.

Oh, wow. All Hollywood. The new Legends Ball. And you know that people were in the comments like, we need a new Legends Ball, Oprah. Oprah, do another Legends Ball. Like, that wasn't a pain in the ass to schedule but wasn't it so good for the for the world and the culture to

have the legends ball we need to have it again it was excellent for the world it was excellent for the world we haven't talked about and i was laughing about this the other day our new favorite show deer i was laughing because we love deer we love apple tv plus it's called deer comma deer no deer dot dot dot or it's deer comma but see it's confusing what is it explains the readers what is deer so deer is a show and so matt and man i kept like just doing a bit where we were saying each other you have to watch the new show Deer. You have to watch Deer. Wait have you seen Deer? Have you seen the new Deer? Deer. Did you see the fourth episode of Deer?

I love the fourth episode of Deer that was Big Bird. My favorite episode of Deer that was Big Bird's Deer. That was Big Bird's Deer so Big Bird is literally on Deer so every episode they focus on like a hero celebrity and then the entire episode is that person reading letters that people have written to them on a hero, celebrity. And then the entire episode

is that person reading letters that people have written to them. Just very heartfelt letters about how this person's affected their lives. And Oprah, I think, EPs the show? I don't know what she has to do with the show, but she has an episode that is centric to her, which made Bo and Yang and I shed tears.

So beautiful. Oprah, she has a power. She has a power. I'm not seeing enough Oprah in the world. I'm not seeing enough Oprah. That's probably really what Ellen Pompeo was saying at home. I'm not seeing enough Oprah. She can't figure out her remote.

I can't really. I will not seeing enough Oprah because she can't figure out her remote. I can't really... I will say Versus is not super accessible. I can't find it on Apple Music. I guess you have to go to the Instagram. Is that the best way to watch? I watched it on Instagram and it was lovely. There were 600,000 people watching, which is the highest attended

Instagram Live I've ever seen. Dear is wonderful. It was just a truly well-executed premise and work of television. You'll cry when you watch Dear. Girl, if you love Disney fairytale weddings, you'll love Dear. Dear, yeah.

You're going to love Dear. Dear. Let's talk about this young person that we have. This young person. Who's, let's just say, sort of storming not only comedy scene, but also twitter.com. And the podcast space. And the podcast space. Thank you.

But this person is becoming one of my favorite listens week to week. Because they're one of the co-hosts of the rear view which is grinders podcast with forever dog and i have to tell you it feels like a kindred spirit podcast to us and i want to encourage all readers when thursday rolls around because you know you love lost coach on wednesday and when thursday rolls around i want you to sort of glance in your rear view oh my my God. How about that? Put the mirror up to the crack. Put the mirror up to the crack.

I am listening to that. Get the faggot off the TV. I'm not watching that. Get the faggot off the TV. I'm not watching that. I'm not watching that. And that, of course, we attribute to Tyra Banks and we wish her luck this week.

It's the first week of Dancing with the Stars. I can't wait to watch her host this damn show. Can't wait to watch her turn to Carol Baskin and be like, that was an amazing foxtrot. Did you kill your husband? And only Tyra is crazy enough to do that and that's why it's good to get Tyra. I know, no.

Her crazy ass will ask the question. I fully watched the entire Naomi Campbell interview. I do that like once every year or two. And it's so funny. So funny. Just tired of being like, I wanted to tell you that you hurt me irrevocably.

And what you did to me and my formative years as not only a model, but a woman will haunt me for the rest of my life. And this is Naomi Campbell. She goes, she goes, I don't remember that. I'm so sorry. I don't really know what you're referring to. The thing is, to me, with what I've been through in my life, I think that what you're saying is not that deep.

Amazing. It's not that deep. She said it's not that deep. Who said for years, I proverbially was on the edge of the cliff because you pushed me there oh my god you did that naomi naomi do you remember naomi do you remember the way that you treated me do you remember the cruelty the cruelty really good tyra naomi i don't i don't remember i don't i don't remember um uh he is okay this is all to say um the rear view is an incredible new podcast

i also the way the way that you um something that stayed with me if you go back and listen to our last episode um matt was talking about mulan but he basically summed it up in one word where he said the way they said cut the songs add the sand the way they said cut the songs add the sand well not for nothing but i'm just i'm just praising i'm just gassing up my sister now i don't even now i don't even want to go against you in a versus i want us to join hands and speaking of joining hands it's time for us to join hands with our guest who should and i have a question for you should comedians be as hot as him should comedians also be bisexual icons as he is he's gonna be mad about andrew gillum

girl we might have to we gotta talk about this our guest is beaming what beaming bright he's glowing he wants to talk about andrew gillum and's the thing. This guest is one of our faves. We've seen him on stage. You've seen him online. You're listening to him on the pod, the rear view. Everyone, please welcome into your goddamn ears, Jay Jordan. Yay. Thank you.

I'm very happy to be here. A new orifice. So what's up? A new orifice for you to really do anything very happy to be here. A new orifice. So what's up? A new orifice for you to really do anything you want to. Anything. You know what I'm not going to do? Do meth in the hotel room, pass out in my own vomit, and then play it off like it didn't happen. That's what I'm not going to do.

No, because you're grown. So let's fill me in because I haven't been following the Andrew Gillum stuff past. I mean, I obviously was with it when he woke up in the hotel room. He came out today as bisexual. that what happened he did he to tamarin hall and i appreciate the effort for him to say the words bisexual and for him to articulate um something that is very important especially for people who don't necessarily have a representative for male bisexuality or even more importantly like people of color uh combating the stigma about bisexuality specifically cisgender men who have the whole rumor about the dl i'm so happy for that aspect of this yeah it's a real bright spot in what is a

dark dark alley of a situation but what a way to do what a way to do it some people come out come out sort of gingerly in high school other people run for governor and are covered in vomit and meth yeah ron desantis is a terrible person and should not be governor of florida and has directly led to the deaths of a lot of people but uh Andrew, this also is kind of bad in spots. It's not as bad. I'm going to let you know it's not as bad. I'm happy for you. But number one, the queer community is allowed to make jokes for a few days.

That's the first thing I'm going to say. We're going to get jokes off for a few days. And if you get mad, maybe you ain't got what it takes to be bisexual. Number two. Oh, wow. Yeah. Number two, there is an element of infidelity here that we're not addressing. There's also an element of like sex work is valid and drug addiction and drug use is also valid.

But deception isn't always valid. Was he married? Yeah, he's married. He is married. And was caught with. He said, well, he told the police he was helping someone in the hotel room. He helped someone. So, you know, overall, I'm going to say we come out,

but it's like a 51-49 split. Like, it's good, but it just, like, it just eked. Sure, it just eked. That's good. That's a great way of putting it. You get some representation out of it, for sure. And this is why I think it's, like, really important for everyone to vote, because had you voted for Andrew Gillum,

you wouldn't have been out on a meth bender. We don't know that. We don't know that. Well, honestly, he probably would have been a little bit busier. But we did this. Florida voters did this. OK? And I am going to blame Florida voters.

And I'm going to say please vote for Joe Biden so we don't have to hear about what happens to him three months, four months later because he might not have the wherewithal to just go take a nice walk in the woods. You don't know. It could be an Andrew Gillum situation. It could be. He could be speedballing and just waking up. I also think that, like, the Andrew Gillum thing, as, like, a bisexual person from the South, I was like, it's always like a monkey's paw of a gift we never just get it it's never just like he's doing well oh by the way yeah guys and girls and not buying your people yeah it's always like it's always a monkey's paw well okay talk about this jay um are we i feel like you are checking so many boxes. I mean, you are bringing forward a

new model of, let's just say, what a comedian can look like, what a bisexual person can be doing. There's no respectability in terms of the thirst traps that go online. I mean, I'm kind of really excited at this sort of anarchistic rewriting of the rules. So how do you feel about your role in this? I'm happy to be a torchbearer, but there are so many people that kept the flame lit before

me. We talk about people like Joel Kim Booster was getting naked before I got naked. Mateo Lane was getting naked before I got naked. Solomon was being sexy. Solomon was being sexy. Solomon was being sexy with clothes on on TV

before I got the opportunity. Jaboukie proved you can be brown and cute. Wanda Sykes said you can be queer. I'ma be me. I would show that to students during a stand-up section

when I was a teacher. And I'd be like, well, y'all just gonna have to watch this if y'all wanna see what good comedy looks like. So there are so many people that have helped me feel comfortable enough to be my true authentic self on stage also when you lie as a comedian kind of like poker the audience has tiny tells just physically where they're like you aren't comfortable about that

subject so you're either over correcting or skirting past it so, you aren't comfortable about that subject. So you're either over-correcting or skirting past it. So if I didn't talk about being queer, I think it's tantamount to me not talking about being from Mississippi or me not having a dog. These are elements that brought me up and that helped etch me out a bit more. So I love it. So, okay.

So you're a Mississippian first, then you're a dog owner second. No, I'm black first. I'm black first. Well, I'm just quoting you. You put, okay, well, I'm black first. I'm black. I'd say I'm black first.

And then I want to be queer right after black. And then I want to be very funny. And then everything else can like kind of be lateral like the same sort of yeah on the same plane perfect Matt what about what about you I would say that for me I am what am I first I think honestly I think that I really can say I am gay first. Oh, yes. I really am gay first. Like I was thinking to myself like, wow, pretty much everything I've ever done besides Hot Dog, which is coming out soon, I've had to be gay to do.

Like had to be queer to host game show. Pretty much all the sketch comedy I ever did in my life I was like doing gay characters or queer characters, et cetera. So I guess I am gay first. And I, of course, am what they call a gold star gay. Never even been in the same room as a naked vagina. Never even been in the same room. It's not that I wouldn't welcome the opportunity. I just would feel bad for the woman having that opportunity

and sharing that opportunity with me. You know what I mean? Yeah. None of us are platinum stars, are we? No. No. No. Jay, I'm imagining that Jay has, you know.

Natural birth. Yeah, I went through the regular way. I didn't have a VIP entrance or exit, I guess. VIP entrance to the world. To the world. To the world. You're Drake at the club. No, no, no. entrance to the world. To the world. To the world. You're Drake at the club. No, no, no.

Come through the back. Bowen, how do you identify first and foremost? I identify as gay first, probably. You think gay first? Well, no. Actually, no no because the first thing people see is asian yeah it's about how you identify don't give them that i have had to like in terms of like stacking like the lenses that things refract through like it's asian first and then it's gay and i've had to like get comfortable with the Asian part before I get comfortable with the gay part.

I think it's, it's switched orders for like, it switches orders all the time, but I think now it's sort of the layers are sort of sedimenting in the right way. And so it's, it's, it's Asian first.

I think that like the reason I say black first also is because my blackness informs my queerness more than my queerness informs my blackness. So when you guys were talking about Versus, I watched Versus as like a black person with like two great aunties. Just like that. Or like my mom is the Patty of all her friendships. She has a blonde wig right now. Yes. And so like,

I see that and I'm like, oh, that's like my grandma and my mom. It's not like, oh, that's like a diva. Then they're a diva for me. But it was, I mean,

that kind of was like just a masterclass in black queerness watching that last night. So you were watching. Oh, Garrison, the boyfriend can tell you, was like i gotta get home i did two shows and then i rode my bike home and patty and gladys would be very disappointed

because i got popeyes instead of actually cooking something for it and i watched it with popeyes and i was i was just so happy i walked away i came I came in. I was like, Patty, heavy favorite. Yeah. Did that change? She still won because they weren't playing Gladys Knight hits back to back. There were two times

where Patty played hits back to back. Gladys had to play Midnight Train Georgia twice to make it a close match. Wow. And on and on, License to Kill was very good. Neither One of Us was amazing. Neither One of Us is one of my favorites ever.

Neither One of Us is amazing. But then if you do that same exercise with Patti's hits, Patti played the ABCs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, on Sesame Street. Because she knew that people on Versus would want to see, to hear that. There was a Patty mix with the ABCs in it. Yep, iconic.

She understood the sliver of her audience that was watching. There was like internet consumers just being like, oh, we've seen the video. Thank you, gay people, as I believe she said. Thank you, gay people. Did you see the part? Obviously you did, but Bowen, there was this part, I'm wondering if you were gay people, as I believe she said. Thank you, gay people. Did you see the part? Obviously, you did.

But Bowen, there was this part, I'm wondering if you were tuning in, where it was right after they finished the song and they were talking. And their exchanges in between the songs were my favorite part. Which is saying something. Matt, it was just stuff like, and, you know, then I was like, well, you know, Matt had a baby. And then Matt would say, you know, Matt had a baby. And then Matt would say, you know, Jay had a baby. It was so, so good and so lived in. And it felt like voyeuristic because they're obviously close friends with tons of history, years and years of something no one else could replicate, which is their shared and lived experience. But my favorite part was right after Patti ended up slaying a number, she turns to Gladys and she's like,

you know, sometimes I sing so high and so much, I wonder if it's too much. But the fact of the matter is, God gave me all of this and I'm going to do all of this because I'm not going to not be me. And there was a pause and Gladys just goes, it's power.

And Patti was like, it is, it it's power and then they just moved on but it's like them talking about how they're the best singers in the world and just like they get it and it's there's not an ounce of ego it's just the truth yeah but isn't it so fun how like even after all these years like it's still kind of this novelty to her even like to herself she's like it's pat kind of this novelty to her, even like to herself. She's like, it's Patti LaBelle being like, well, I can't believe I'm this talented even like in, in like into like the fifth decade of my work or whatever the hell, you know?

Yes. It's a 77 year old and a 76 year old being like, I sang this? Yeah. Oh, I did this? I used to do this for, I still do this for a living.

They were marveling at themselves, which was so cool. And it was like a full on, like matriarchal vibe that you get in a lot of like black churches where it was just, I mean, I tweeted and joked about how like that versus I, after that versus I went home with an entire pound cake when I only wanted

to slice. Because that's what happens. That happened to me last Christmas and my big mamas. after that versus i went home with an entire pound cake when i only wanted to slice because that's what happens that happened to me last christmas and my big mamas i went to see her with my sister and she was like oh you want some pound cake and she did the cartoon tom and jerry slice where she cut like two little slices and then gave us the rest of the cake the rest of the cake give me that fat slice I just want the skinny slice. You had said. But I just, that was my first versus that I had watched.

I unfortunately missed the Brandy Monica one. You picked a good one, though. You picked a very good one. How are they going to top it? They did a hybrid where they were like, I'll sing live. Monica didn't want to do live vocals. Brandy sang a little of her stuff live. Monica gave up on some stuff. But also Brandy versus Monica, that was like a fun one because

there was tension. Really? Yeah. There was a little bit of tension because there's that whole backstory about the MTV movie awards with the punch and or slap that occurred between them. And who was that doing that to whom allegedly this is allegedly is from dallas aka i think uh chili's ex-husband the producer so that was austin yeah so he said monica popped brandy in the mouth that makes sense

because everyone like the like black twitter's second reading of Monica, besides being like an army diva who deserves her flowers while she can still smell them, is that she love her. She love her. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Monica is, Monica is ghetto, but at the end it's spelled T-E-A-U. Does that make sense? Sure, sure, sure. Totally. Just a little bit.

Just a little. Yeah. I always like, do you ever listen back to that song and think, who did win this? And do you have verdicts? I'm going to high five her.

That's who won. That's, oh, yes. But then there would be no reason for the song to exist. I think Monica, growing up, the sentiment was always that Monica won.

See, that's so interesting because for me growing up, the sentiment was Brandy won and I think I felt that because she had the better career and I was like, I know her and so she wins. She had the more mainstream career. Yes, that's very true. Yes, and thank you for

checking me on that because better does not mean, mainstream does not mean better. Yeah, come yeah come on i'm on house of niche right now we know yeah to me like a white teen on long island i knew who brandy was because i did watch moesha every now and then and i also was aware of her from like you know doing cinderella and all these things but i remember when i hear that i see Matt with Moesha braids in my head. Oh. And how does it look? Z-Way, he wouldn't do it.

Z-Way, he would never do it. No, I would never do that. Don't come for me, Z-Way. But wait, I do want to say, though, as an adult listening to the song, I think Monaco walks her like a dog. Oh. That's the grown woman who's in the right. But what's unfair, what kind of sets up that dynamic

and sets it up for the rest of the song, for the entire song, is the fact that Brandy is the one who approaches Monica. Monica's just minding her own business. Excuse me, can I please talk to you for a minute? Sure, you know, you look kind of it's like, Monica's just like, yeah, I think I know you. She's like, I might remember who you are.

Meanwhile, she knows exactly who that is. That's the other woman. That's what heteronormative activities do to y'all when y'all out here claiming votes. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Wow. Does this even really happen to gay men? I feel like gay men don't really claim each other in the way that these straight women do.

I have opinions about when people go, oh, this man who has not committed to me is mine. Is mine. Because you're the one looking like Boo Boo the Fool. Because you are acting up now. Yeah. The man hasn't done anything. If he's the prize to be coveted. And then it's bordering on a weird scopophilic passion to see women fight over you, if you're

a man who's like, well, I don't know, y'all handle it with y'all, don't do that. That's kind of not really, I don't know i maybe i'm erasing a lot of um stuff but i feel like that's not really the dynamic that i've noticed amongst men our age gay men our age we're like oh i've never no i don't know we give up we go oh have well because if you if you were to act crazy about like someone that you know, or someone else hooking up with someone that you hooked up with or hooking up with, I feel like in the modern, like gay queer community,

you'd, you'd look insane and very bothered because I feel like, you know, and the world is so small, like this, the circles are so small and literally I'll like run into a guy who's like, like, like I'll run into a wiener cousin.

Like, like a guy, like a sister, a sister. And like like i'll like i'll run into a wiener cousin um like like a guy like a sister a sister and i'll just be like oh cool like that's that's fun that's fine okay great and then like moving like there's no there's no like sense of yeah ownership the way that these women are like in a very kind of like jay you don don't, you like, you can talk about this if you want. So, well, because some people go there. So what's up there? This and they're like, Oh, Jay, I want to hear this. But if you are basing your entire relationship on monogamy, that was established during like the early modern period in europe to make sure that the great chain of being was maintained so that like peasants stuck with peasants and like a stable boy wasn't having sex with a princess because then that bastard vox explainer yeah come on global historian

would change because if your blood is different if yeah if there are if the aristocracy is almost a different species then they shouldn't be able to intermingle and more importantly, mate and procreate with people on the lower pegs of that totem pole. The caste system. Yes. Yeah. So you wanted to take ownership of a woman also because she was the only way for you to pass your property not even pressure past you like your lineage you're like you have to have a son so i have someone to give my stuff to and by the way he better be mine or else i'm giving my stuff to somebody i don't know like it's just that

i and i don't i reject this caste system yeah yeah honey honey honey let me be a serf at the bottom unbothered bowen didn't think i would know that serfs were at the bottom of the caste system i know his eyes lit up and he pointed like this deep deep deep because i've been i've been deep deep deeping all night i think he was happy for you. He was. I was agreeing. I was kind of joining in on this collectivizing notion of the serfs that are at the bottom when we're together. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm not that way. I would love to be a courtier or a baron or a duke or a marquee. You carry that. You carry that. You have a very royal energy. You really do. It's cute for y'all you carry that you carry you have a very royal energy you really do y'all down there y'all can have some fun i know i do think you would look very very hot in like that sort of like prince like regalia like i think you'd make a very handsome prince is what

i'm saying to you thank you so that's what you've been doing you've been going out to the park to do yeah you've been doing all the park shows you've've been gigging. You always gig. I'm like, okay. So I always say meet people where they are comfortable during this. And I'm comfortable enough to do an outdoor show with a mask. Take it off. Do my set. Put the mask back on. People are distant.

Do you disinfect the mic afterwards? Disinfect the mic. They're mic condoms now. Mic covers that you can put on. That's right. The little mic condoms. Yes, for all gay men condoms are something that you put around your penis so that you don't get an STI I'm back on prep guys

I'm also a rip roaring on prep I'm on my discoby are you guys true I'm just going for prep my provider said I was like I'd love to try Discobee. He said, no, no, no, you're sticking with prep. I forget why. Oh, no. Discobee's a smaller pill. I don't mind swallowing that big old blue thing. Give me the non-vee and dick.

Give me that Jake Sully penis. Give me that long schlong. Give me that dong. Give me that blue. Bow give me that nose give me that blue dr manhattan get in dr manhattan get in me bowen said his dick was beautiful the big is that the biggest penis ever on tv and watchman oh my god matt still hasn't seen watchman i don't well i don't I think Yaya is an amazing actor. So to fetishize him just for that one scene of him walking.

No, and I'm not, no. But that's not his penis, I don't think. Oh, I think it is. He was too happy about it. It looked like that was his. Really? Yeah, he's just walking around with that thing. It was, it was HBO dick.

I was going to do, this is a little yeah you guys will get all the inside information i was i was i could have done hbo dick for my first sex scene but i did not for a hundred minutes but why did you say no i could have gave some dick my team was like maybe don't do dick the first time and i was like that's fair that's fair no i get it i don't agree with it 100 i feel like you feel like anyone should just do whatever they want when it's HBO. If you're given the opportunity to show your genitals, that's great. I think the second time

you should just break the seal. Yeah. Did you have sex on high maintenance? There was the implication that there would be another time for something of that ilk. So I felt they complimented me. They're like, you know, it's going to be plenty of chances for you to show your team. Your team.

The team. Yeah. Wow. This is going to sound weird, but I can't wait for that. And with that, we're going to take a break and we'll be pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her? Not today, Satan.

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And what are we back? Are we back? We're back. Yeah, we're back. Okay. So at this point, Bowen, what do we do? We ask the question. The question, right.

Of course, the question being, Jay, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Bowen, explain. This is the formative culture for you growing up. Something that really was the spark lighter for the fuse that was the rocket for culture. Two culture that you were headed on. Does that make sense? That makes total sense i have two answers because i heard bob the drag queen did that and yeah so my first answer is the honey video by mariah gary thank you so much from the album butterfly I get emotional when anyone talks about this. Thank you so much. One of my first

CDs was Butterfly. My first CDs, the first three CDs I ever had were Puff Daddy and the Family No Way Out, the explicit version, because my mama didn't know. Wow. You better. Usher, My Way, and Mariah Carey, Butterfly.

Now, it's easy to say, oh, wow, that's like a core distillation of like you as a bisexual, a number of things. It was so formative for me because the album cover for Butterfly kind of speaks to the entire aesthetic of the Honey video from a tone standpoint, from a coloring standpoint, from a hair standpoint. The hair was iconic at that moment. Sexiest Mariah you can imagine. This is post-divorce. So this is after time. Yeah.

I think the lyrics are the horniest. The lyrics are the horniest. She was acting fully up. And, you know, many say that Honey may be about cum. Oh, Honey is about cum. I think it be about cum. Oh, Honey is about cum. I think it is about cum. Honey is 100% about cum. Matt, it is the best double entendre of a song ever.

Honey, I can't describe how good it feels inside. It's got to be cum. Just another taste of your honey. It's a cum anthem. So the video is like her as a secret agent. Agent M. Agent M, a couple famous people. Eddie Griffin is in it.

Yes, he is. And she is handcuffed behind a chair, and she also speaks to her Venezuelan roots. She speaks Spanish for like the first minute of the video. She is. She's acting en Español. She's acting because Mariah is a writer and a singer, a mother, but also an actress. And at this point, what is she first? What is she first?

She's a diva. A singer, a singer, a diva. Oh, a diva. She's a blessing first. A gift. Patty and Mariah are like, it's like a lineage between them. There's like a through line,

like there's sinew connecting them the. Like there's sinew connecting them the same way there's sinew connecting Patty and Jennifer Hudson. Like whenever Jennifer Hudson does a scoop into something very like- That's Patty. That's her doing a Patty. Like it's, so the reason I love Mariah in this video

is because she's having fun. Like she's stripping, she's swimming, she's dancing with sailors. She got a hot dude on the beach where she does jet skis too at the very end because then you also think oh man this hot dude at the beach and it's not connected but you can pretend like it is then my all happens and it's a completely different tone but it feels connected because she's on the beach with another hot man yes it's just mariah carey the honey video I was like whatever this is I'm sexually

attracted to it but I also like it but I also understand how other people can like this I just want to celebrate this and I didn't have a chair in my room I shared a room with my brother and my sister at this point before my sister got her own room I had this like speaker boombox situation I could put headphones in and i would have to like just put the cd in the top and like listen to it like on my headphones like right next to like the speaker system in my room uh also mirai's like just a walk-in thesaurus i learned so many words from the words that are best vocabulary you got the cd booklet with the lyrics oh the cd booklet and so then that's the first one and the second one is probably

the 1992 animated uh series the x-men on fox so those two things changed everything for me this makes a lot of sense and this is an amazing answer to the question because we get two ideas of you as a person and it makes sense without even exploration but explore we will those are two things that I love oh hon yes let's start let's just because we've talked so it's Bowen isn't it insane how much we've talked about Mariah lately there's a lot of Mariah in the air she's

on everyone's mind right now yes she is I mean that New York magazine piece was incredible I kind of going into the back catalog yesterday Matt and I connected because we were both listening to emancipation of mimi at the same time you guys talked about you guys talked about jumper cables for a career what hello yeah she was like y'all want something yeah yeah i could i could give y'all some anthems if y'all want wow you wanted you wanted the definition of contemporary r&b and jermaine dupri was like we've

been cooking up stuff for a while let's just let's drop it the neptunes kanye that was that was a stacked album like that was an incredible album also you know what song gets slept on for emancipation just before before we return to butterfly say something which is something dog on it oh my god the way that the way he says he's gonna fuck you in the bathroom in that song and i'm never into snoop but i'm like okay snoop your girl and wish you knew i think that's sort of your girl your girl so good but jay butterfly is my culture that made me say culture was for me yeah you guys have the same answer you want to know my butterfly joint that i love okay maybe it's because they're back to back when when it goes breakdown into baby doll yep okay i was gonna say the roof but Yep. Okay. I was going to say The Roof, but yeah. Breakdown is hauntingly beautiful.

Yeah. It is. It's so good. It's vivid. You're talking about my art, vividly emblazoned in my mind. Vividly emblazoned in my mind. So good. Breakdown into Babydoll is one song's about loss and then one song's about longing.

Because like the relationship is over on terms she didn't love. And then she still just wants to be your babydoll. And allegedly Babydoll, my all, and the roof, Derek Jeter. Mr. Derek Jeter himself. Well, she confirmed this. She confirmed at least my all. In the New York Magazine. In the New York Magazine interview. all in the new york magazine in the new york the new york magazine art uh interview and that was

a moment because i remember when that song came out and a radio dj was like at the time in like 97 i'm not even kidding and this is like when i was so into baseball so you were in long island i was on long island and dark cheater was you couldn't get bigger than dark cheater and also mariah carey is long island's princess yes so when it was rumored that they were fucking everyone was on fire and like i remember this song played in the car because they used to play jams on the radio and they it came on it's actually real culture number 109 they used to play jams on the radio sometimes you would get a mile on the radio now not so much but i remember the dj was like you know rumor is that uh derrick jeter and mariah carey are doing what they say in this song late at

night anyway this is z100 and then she started and i was just like wait hold on we need to go back can we can we rewind the radio because i need to know everything about derrick jeter and mariah carey i need to know what these two beautiful beige bodies are doing at nighttime. I've never been hornier. Oh, no, these two beautiful, like, racially ambiguous bodies just writhing. Oh, God.

At their peak. And also, you were so right when you were saying Mariah was never hotter. I just recently bought her Greatest Hits vinyl, and inside they have all these incredible photos of her from like the 95 to 2000 the hair just like her makeup's beautiful her she had never sounded better she was like taking classy sexy photos i was like she really defined to me what like what sex appeal was you know what i mean like that image of her on that cover is just a piece of fabric.

Truly. And a belly chain. And a butterfly. And hair. And, like, she's playing with monochromatic earth tones. Yes, tone on tone. Tone on tone. She's just, oh, and it's just, like, this beautiful image.

So, like, Mariah Carey, Honey Video, Butterfly, Honey Video specifically. And then the X-Men because they were different. They were born different. What makes X-Men the 90s Fox animated series, the superior series to you over like X-Men Evolution or the other iterations to you? I, I, I, I, yeah, please, I just want to hear it from you, because I don't really like, I need some context, I need to, like, sort of be, like, brought up to speed on this. Okay, so you have X-Men Evolution, you have Wolverine and the X-Men, you have

the failed pilot, Pride of the X-Men, which was before all of them. Pride of the X-Men launched the arcade games, where you see, like, a couple of iterations of the team where it's like Storm, Dazzler, Cyclops, Nightcrawler. Yes, I remember that. So you play that game. The character models are based on that.

And that was a very kind of like early 80s team. The thing about the 92 series is they use the designs from the highest selling comic book of all time, which was Jim Lee, Chris Claremont, and I forget who was the inker but uncanny x-men like number one and it sold 8.1 million copies like if it's one thing mariah and the x-men gonna do it's gonna go platinum so they sold at least that they sold 8 million copies of this comic book it's the the most important comic book to Marvel. At the time, Marvel was like,

whatever people want from the X-Men, they can do. So there were all these titles that spanned out of it. The team was so important, they split the team up into the blue team and the gold team. The series just said, we want to take all of some of the favorite parts from that comic book

and make that into a series, which was crazy because you go wait this but this like just happened they're not going back to 1963 to do like the original five x-men they're not going like the 80s for the outback team they're like we're going to give you the x-men that just like sold out two years two years ago yeah. And so they put together like a beautiful mashup team. The first two episodes, Nine of Sentinels, were so important because a character dies, you think? You found out season two he didn't die.

But a character dies. They go on a mission that's supposed to not result in anyone dying. And Morph gets shot and then goes away. And you see Cyclopsops and wolverine get into it jubilee who like kind of represents you the viewer because you're a younger kid and jubilee's like a mall rat who's like i'm gonna do what i want it's so good it's just so from that point on i had those two you could get the cassettes at pizza hut in like a box i had like the two sets with like a specialized like before and after message from like Stan Lee, the creator.

And I got those at Pizza Hut. I like had like so many action figures. So it's just wow. And then from a message tonally. Yeah. It's like a young black kid in Mississippi who maybe didn't have a way to articulate he was queer, but definitely knew I like loved Mariah Carey at that point. Well, not even that point well not even that point but so i was 92 but like knew i liked doing stuff with my mom and i wasn't always

picked first for stuff and like i ran kind of silly and like maybe like i don't know what's going on but like to have like a team and like for them to be like it's okay you're just born different and to have like storm be like a black superheroine, it was, you can't write that stuff. I mean, they did, but it was very... But they did. Wait, but who do you identify with most in the X-Men? Oh, so I...

Watch me piss people off with this. I am a big Iceman fan. Iceman is kind of a queer one too. Very much the queer one came out because of Brian Michael Bendis. A lot of writers had a bunch of subtext kind of skirting the issue, came out. I want to say in 2012, maybe it was 2015,

he came out and he deflects with humor. He's more powerful than he could ever imagine. But he's also very much a guy that just wants to go along with the flow. A bunch of failed relationships with women. Also, he's hot, but surprisingly. Some comics, you'd be like, Bobby, get out of here. But in some comics, you'd be like, get out of here but in some comics you'd be like Bobby what's going on yes well they made him

hot and straight in the movies but in the next two it was like that scene where he like comes out yes so like it's kind of laid on thick but it's great it's like at the time it was kind of like the wink from Bryan Singer to the audience

yeah but he's a whole issue Hans are the wink from Bryan Singer to the audience. By Bryan Singer, who definitely has... Yeah, but he's a whole issue. Hans, our lovely Hans, says, in the X-Men movie, Iceman is also the one whose parents ask, have you tried not being a mutant

with very queer subtext? So thank you, Hans. Yes, we're referring to that scene. Bobby's mom in X2, X-Men United, after he freezes the coffee and the cat starts to look at it, she's like, have you ever tried not being mean? And then

his brother calls the police on them and outs them and tries to get Bobby taken away. Yes. Bobby is anti-cop, too. Yes. Bobby is anti-cop too. Ooh. And you know, Pyro is really anti-cop.

He blows up the car. It's not that people should do that because you get in trouble, but. So when you're watching X-Men and you're running weird and doing things with mom and loving Mariah, at what point do you realize, because I've only, that must have been very confusing for a kid to realize bisexuality. Oh, I didn't realize bisexuality was an option until I was in college. Really? Well, because I didn't have an experience with a guy until college because I had girlfriends in high school. I had like a girlfriend my junior year that I went to prom with. I had like a

girlfriend for part of my senior year. And I had like really close friendships. And sometimes I think I coded my queerness by just being like, man, that dude's so cool. Don't you guys want to meet the cool new dude? That guy, he's from a different school. He's got stories we don't know. Maybe

he knows girls that we don't know. But also he probably should tell us what his parents do for a living because it seems like a very nice house that's so you had girlfriends all pretty much throughout your like like and like i'm talking like fully attracted to girls fully attracted to girls consummated the relationship consummation had a very american prom night let's just say the junior year but Consummation. Had a very American prom night, let's just say, the junior year. But senior year, I also had a very American prom night because we fought the whole night. Yeah. That is very American.

That's very American. While the fray played in the Nissan Armada that my mama rented. The year was 2006. Don't do me. Spot on. Spot on. You know how to save a life? Tell Jay not to go to prom with, I'm not going to say her name on here, but that's how you save a life tell jay not go to prom with i'm not gonna

say her name on here but just that's how you save a life that's how you save jay's time travel and be like y'all don't have to go to prom together just because y'all are like cool like y'all y'all are gonna fight i remember i went i went to go see the fright um at jones beach with one of my male straight friends just he and i and like we ran into people from high school there and everyone was like, what the fuck are you doing on a date together to the fray? And I felt so bad that the kid had come with me because I was like, he didn't have to do this. But he

really liked the fray. Shout out to Nick Cooley. The fray? He's married now to a woman. The fray in the car? That's something I miss. Oh, when the fray would come out in the car that's what gets you to jones beach that's what gets the straight boys that's more confessional in the car yellow card in the car in the car and the car was the vibe you just said yellow card and that was

the card to say that was the card to pull i'm calling your red card on we don't even have an ocean avenue in miss, but guess what? I listened to it like we did. We had one in Islip where I grew up. We had an Ocean Avenue and I felt very alive whenever it would come on. The fray was a huge deal for Denver because they were from Denver

and we sort of were a culturally barren place at that point. And it was just a very big deal that they had made it big. Over My Head in the Car. That is, like, that takes you back. Over My Head, because people say How to Save a Life, but Over My Head was the better song. No, that was the best. That's the better song.

And honestly, his voice was great. That song was amazing. That was really, Over My Head, cable car, that was it. Oh, cable car, yeah. Everyone knows I'm over my head and then oh you know what happened was he dropped that he was smart vocally structurally sound he oh yeah no he was a singer and you know why they blew the fuck up was because how to save a life was in gray's anatomy it was before that they were big but then once how to save a life because at that's Anatomy. It was before that. They were big,

but then once how to save a life, because at that point, you know what happened? Cause the season two finale made snow patrol chasing cars. I know. That was, that was, and then the season three promos all featured how to save a life. I'm almost positive.

No, no. Um, how to save a life was pre season two positive. No, no. How to Save a Life was pre-season two. It was in season two, but not... When it was getting good in the second half of season two, they were showing it during promos then. That's right.

That's right. That's what it is. I might smoke a joint and watch the second half of season two episodes of Grey's tonight. Baby, get high. Watch Grey's. It's actually rule of culture number 50. Get high and grace it's actually rule of culture number 50 get high and watch grace

um i'm gonna ask a sort of a dumb ass question about bisexuality but i this is something that i'm curious about is there so so in college you you have an experience with guys yeah it's confirmed that you enjoy you enjoy men but it's like is there is there this period where the fulcrum shifts a little? You're not sure where it lands. Yeah. And then it lands somewhere. And then you're like, okay, I'm bi. Where it's like you're able to sort of stand firm in that identity.

I had a really good time with a few guys in college. But then I still find myself, like, when no one was watching. Like, no, this wasn't performative. Like, still, like, messaging girls and, like, talking to girls and, like, hooking up with girls. I had a summer where I, like, put on a little bit of muscle. And so that was, like, one of the first. It was the first of many a hot girl summer the cows came home yeah so i the cows came the cows came home to

home to roast title about the cows came home to title about in mississippi uh so at one point someone was like well you like you've definitely like you've I've seen like that you hooked up with guys. Why are you still like hitting on me? I was like, can I do both? And me saying that to that person was like, oh, well, I mean, sure. But are they like, yeah, sure. Or have you faced that people sometimes are weirded out or uncomfortable with it because of whatever bias they have i'm so okay with people shorthanding uh me being a male bisexual to saying

gay if the intentions are pure if it's like just like you saying that from a catch-all kind of grab bag territory it's one syllable it queer is also syllable, but then people are like, I'm not an academic. But I think it's true. So I think that there have been people that are like, well, like, I don't really believe what Jay's saying because he's dating a guy and he's dated a guy for so long. But then I'm also like, well, y'all know the YouTube search history or like what? Oh, yeah. It's just a very, it's a fear that I don't have as much anymore because I'm very much grounded in my truth and my kind of internal attraction to things. So like if someone's like, jay is secretly lying i was like what like but what's the benefit of the lie exactly i've already been like i sucked a few dicks

you've you've given up yeah whatever the the inherent power and heteronormative culture is if the minute you're like man get come on so it's just at this point we all have to be we all have to sort of agree on the same set of facts or terms or whatever which is just that like get the whole like subterfuge like deceit element out of any kind of queer identity

where it's like you know I mean not to like fully extrapolate this into like territory that like maybe none of us have like experience in, but it's like, it's like when the knee-jerk reaction for a trans person for a trans person coming out as being like, Oh, well then you're like, you've been lying to us the whole time. It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. There's no, there's no lie here.

There's no deceit. Yeah. There's no deceit. It's like, it's like, and that kind of gets thrown at by people a lot, I feel. Yeah. There's no deceit. It's like, and that kind of gets thrown at bi people a lot, I feel. Yeah. And particularly at bi men and bi men of color, a whole lot. But then there's also the other end of the spectrum as far as, like, attraction to bi men, where it's like you're fetishized. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just think that when someone says they're bi, go,'s cool and then if they say it again be like okay do you you want something you want like a prize i'm i'm down for it i wish everyone the

best i also think that like the more i mean the more people come out as bisexual the more helpful it is september is technically Bisexual Awareness Month. Did you guys know that? Wonderful. I did not know that. It's because September doesn't know if it wants to be summer or fall. Damn. So let me ask you a question. Is that one of your jokes? Or is

that a real fact? No, because it was like the 24th or the 23rd and they kept moving it and then someone was like, just pick. No, it was the it was actually a day moving it and then someone was like just pick no it was the um it was it was actually a day in september and then it got like stretched out to a week and now they were this year they were like ain't nobody doing nothing no way you really are can i say like as a stand-up you really are a joke fucking machine oh you really are good is nuts you really are really good

and i we've seen you be good for so many years but i remember i went to i was doing um i think game show with dave and i saw yes and i saw you do your new face to set and now you shined you really did oh thank you thank that means a lot because i really want people to say oh my gosh he's such a good joke writer and he's so charismatic because what happens sometimes for black comedians and for queer people that are performing interesting yep they'll go oh you're so charismatic and you go that was also well written that you yeah yeah yeah you don't have to like treat me like a black quarterback and be like, oh, he's such a good athlete. No, no, no.

He's good at his job. That happens with queer people. Sometimes it also happens with women. They'll be like, oh, you're so rowdy. You'll be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's whenever people start going, I like her because she's not like, and they say another female comedian's name. And then you're like like what are you doing oh i hate all these like loaded compliments that just tear down other people well that oh that bowen is is sure is sassy it's like no i'm writing i'm giving you

like a joke on tv yeah just just just take pick up what i'm putting down it's exactly what we were saying before about people needing labels to feel comfortable or to feel smart or to feel informed on a topic. It's like comedy audiences when they see, like let's just say for example, a black woman on stage, there is this inherent thing I think among modern

comedy audiences because they haven't been given the space to be like, oh, this is going to be fun. Her energy is going to be really good. Oh, yeah. Just because she's a black woman or like a gay comic going up on stage. Oh, this is going to be bitchy. There's going to be a lot of celebrities stuff in here or like, you know, whatever.

Just judging things based on whatever anyone's like identity is that takes to the stage. It's like, no, actually, there's a lot of skill that goes into this. And I'm happy that you thought it was's a lot of skill that goes into this and i'm happy that you thought it was fun for whatever reason that you came into this with but i hope you leave it being like oh that comedy made me think was impressive to me in xyz not just because a gay person was up there and spoke with a loud voice and um you know shake his ass a little bit i think oh because which is what i do that's my whole I think, no that's not what you do I literally will share

any song that you put out because I'm usually like, this is also a very good song, this song is gonna build to something Oh thank you baby This song ain't on accident No, it's never on accident I would never put out a song that was an accident, and you're never gonna see any

you're never gonna see nothing from me that's not gonna pay off you know what i still say to my boyfriend sometimes and what do you say because we uplift the community that has definitely been marginalized and we want to make sure that we are celebrating and protect protecting them let's go trans trans just like me and you oh i bet. Oh, I bet you didn't know. Bet you didn't know. Bet you didn't know. A lot of people don't know. A lot of people don't know.

And if you don't know this reference, you can go see my, what happened was Taylor Swift leaked an album. She leaked Lover back before she changed it all out because we got her number with the queer pandering.

But there was an album that she put out called The First Lover can see that on my on my twitter the first taylor swift taylor swift lover matt rogers google it bitch it's very very good and so in that same vein what i like to do is i like to be like a craftsman. I like to like, okay, so like playwright, like the end of the word right, you're like in a guild, you like create something. So whenever I put together a joke, I want it to be structurally sound.

I try to be on the right side morally. I never try to get an easy victory out of a joke. And because I have so many, I just have so many places to play. I can play with queerness. I can play with fish out of water. I can play with being black. I can play with being kind of a nerd. I can play with being in a relationship.

There's so many elements of me that I think are incongruous and through that friction, comedy is created that I just continue to try to write that way. And I always go, would I be happy if this is the joke that blew up? Cause you gotta, let me tell you something. You don't get to choose which joke blows up. And when the joke blows up, what happens when people share it and people, and you're like, I don't, I don't know. I don't, that's not me. Yeah. That's so interesting to hear the context of it all and how when you're a prolific comedian and when you're someone that's been doing this for a very long time, sometimes it is a little weird what catches on or what you feel like you have to explain and what you don't have to explain. You know what I mean? It says a lot about the way that you're received and your comedy is received when something does well and you're like, that's got to be a fluke.

It's not really a fluke or else it wouldn't be shared so much. Consumption matters. People find out the hard way. People, I mean, some people had to go to Africa when they got upset with who was laughing super hard at some of their racial material. That's all I'm saying. Consumption matters. So look who's look like who's celebrating what you're saying about marginalized groups and be like oh no y'all laughing too hard for me

yeah totally it's about taking responsibility for the reaction you want out of an audience and you wrote it you don't even get to be like who wrote this you did i also just really really like the idea that like uh as a stand-up i'm like the writer the perform the performer the editor the director uh and like the first kind of reviewer of it because i can go through like multiple drafts of jokes or things so bowen i saw you in february and then i saw i secretly saw you in march you a dad jane hotel oh yeah you had to dip and so like i got to close the show out and i have jokes that i'm happy with from march because i wrote a bunch of new stuff like the stuff i do now none of it is from the album but like i wrote a bunch of new stuff in like december and january and february and then like i got to see like these jokes that i was doing in march i got to see what

if they're making the cut in september and some of them are because because you're just putting that care into the process early on like from the from the beginning yeah i try. You do. I mean, but Matt, you and I saw Jay at FlameCon when we like kind of hosted that one year. Oh, I loved that FlameCon with y'all. That was a fun show. That was really fun. I got to do, I Don't Think So Honey, and you picked Sailor Moon.

And I said, I Don't Think So Honey, Serena, take care of your damn cat. I said, Luna is- You called her by the English name. I said, Luna is tired of your man yes luna's frowning and grimacing all the damn day at you you must have been fucking feeling yourself at flame con that's like it's that was that's that is fish in a barrel but in the best way because yeah anything that i write where i'm like they don't want to hear 10 minutes on X-Men, that crowd was like, yes, we do. Yes, we do.

No, more. Yeah, 100%. Only 10? That was so fun. That was so fun. I bought a bunch of erotic art at that. You did. You did.

No, that crowd's great. I know who you bought it from. It was some hot stuff. It was the buff stuff or the Disney stuff? No, it wasn't Disney stuff. It was like superhero stuff. It was like Nightwing with a huge throbbing dick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Phenomenal. Phenomenal. What were you saying, though? That crowd's great because all you have to do is mention Final Fantasy and then they cum in their pants. It's great. Oh, they will worship you. And it's like, like oh and these are my

people like i like this is like a side of me that i don't get to like sort of yeah show you know and because so much of gaming like the the rumor and the talk about gaming is this this toxic evil straight cisgender male culture and like you as a little kid that wanted to play with all the female characters on tekken you're like that's not me yes i don't i want to play with lynn xiao you like she could do a couple backflips it's like i was yoshimitsu gay oh i liked yoshimitsu because he can teleport and a sword nightcrawler he could he can bounce on the sword. Bounce on the sword. Like a pogo stick. Also, he was one of the characters that, like, other characters had different costumes, had different clothings.

Yotsumitsu had a different look. Form. It was a different era. Yes. At one point, he was a bug. He was a bug. Yeah, he just had different existences. He'd either be a bug, or he'd be, like, an android,

or he'd be, like, a god. I mean, it was... Ryoshimitsu was the best. He's very, very queer, because he was a shapeshifter in a lot of ways, so very queer in that sense to me. And then Han says, bouncing looked like whacking.

Oh, yeah. The bouncing looked like whacking. Oh, with the sword. It was a little phallic, but you know... It was a... Yeah, double grip. It was a big sword i always enjoyed um whenever i was playing super smash brothers i would always enjoy playing as

zelda because she could turn into chic yes yes and this was a queer narrative i felt was that she sort of the very the feminine, the play there, and the sort of disappearing, the chest binding. Very Mulan. You understand how many, the entire idea of Zelda, Link and Zelda from an aesthetic standpoint, you understand how many couples look like Link and Zelda and they're just both non-binary couples? That's a red flag to me.

Red flag to me is when a couple looks like Link and Zelda. That, to me, is a red flag. It's a run for the hills moment. That was a good test. It's okay for them to be white, Matt. It's okay for them to be white. No, I'm saying there shouldn't be two blondes in a relationship. That is horrifying to me.

I just started watching Real Housewives of Dallas, and there's a redhead couple. They're both redheads. I've never seen. No, I've seen that once. I've seen that once. Dallas is wild. I'm enjoying it. Joel Kim Booster is, I think, the only person who stands Housewives of Dallas, but I do like it.

I mean, I was born and raised on Atlanta. Yes, of course. It's kind of a touchstone. I kept up a little bit with Potomac. We need to talk because you just had Monique on the podcast. Oh my God. And this is a good segue into the podcast, but can you tell us what Monique Samuels was like from Real Housewives of

Potomac on the rear view? You guys are going to lose your mind when I tell you so calm, so chill, very appreciative of queer fans, very aware of queer DC, also glowing, like just glowing. So beautiful. Beautiful woman.

Told us the story about T'Challa escaping and coming back and how T'Challa, someone got away and came back. The bird got away. I thought the bird died. No, no, no.

He came back. Someone saw the bird. And then she said T'Challa came back to her. And like, then she got to hug him and he doesn't like to be hugged, but she, so the reason she was on the podcast was because she's an important, she's an important, uh, And he doesn't like to be hugged. it at being a villain edit but yeah i haven't watched the latest episode and someone said something happens that may make me think it's not a villain edit because if they have the footage

they can't it can only they can only show you doing what they have exactly so i have watched the episode from this week did you watch it going last Bowen, last night? I'm one behind, so I didn't watch it. All right, so suffice it to say that, and I'm speaking as someone who's pretty Team Monique. I'm Team Monique. Last night, it was a little bit like... I don't love Candace at all. Yeah, here's the thing.

I think Candace is an amazing housewife. I just feel like it's like... She is the aggressor in so many situations that it's hard to point the finger at anyone else however she is so much fucking fun and something happened last night where I'm like oh Monique is the definition

of bothered actually she's not unbothered at all there's something is under her skin but Monique can be bothered we can give her permission to be bothered the Candace is like coming at out i'm just saying if someone ultimately someone on this season is going to pop off and it's going to become physical and oh it's hinting that monique to me is going to be the one that loses it but i'm also very aware of the fact that and i said this to patrick because

patrick rogers who's one of the co-hosts of the rear view my good sister no no relation only in my house of rogers however we are the house and um i said because he doesn't really watch potomac or housewives and i said here's what you need to know she's getting a villain edit and you need to find out how she's feeling about it because it's unfolding before our eyes and i said that must feel so crazy to watch yourself get the villain edit like we've had some reality contestants on the show before and i asked about what it's like to get a specific kind of edit well we've never had someone on that specifically gotten a villain edit so i wanted to know like does she have anything to say about that so candace the

season before you remember when she was pregnant she's like i'll drag you pregnant yeah i'll drag you pregnant so that moment kind of said okay monique can get aggressive but she doesn't have to be and then she said look at the way candace has been acting early in this season so she pointed out like the kind of like how she treats ashley she pointed at the fact that like she always seems to be in the middle of a little bit of mess she pointed the relationship with her mother so there are a number of like receipts that she had that made me go okay so you've definitely you're making your case and candace also just i she likes the way that she's being perceived on the show yeah i mean she's very comfortable with her position with her with her station yeah and like

those kind of like those titles flip-flop a lot like if you would at one point i was like oh yeah i love phaedra and then there was one season where i was like phaedra is evil yeah phaedra literally the like like the worst kind of person and but even said well now i'm the doggone villain and so there are there are moments where it can shift and i'll have to see it's just like real housewives is one of those things where i go, this is really interesting to watch. And thank goodness I'm not a part of it. Yeah, right. Oh, no. I think it's so interesting to watch the social dynamics in all these different, like, locales

play out so differently, too. You know what I mean? It's just so interesting. Like, I'm so excited for Salt Lake. And we talked about how we wanted a trailer last week. And the trailer came out. And I'm really surprised by what it looks like. Me too.

It looks much more interesting than I thought it would be. I was interested in Salt Lake when I found out about the grandmother's ex-husband. Girl, this is the craziest shit I've ever heard. I was like, and then for it to be like a black girl, I was like, we are acting. Ms. Mary Crosby, welcome. Welcome to the consciousness. I was like, whoa for it to be like a black girl I was like we are acting Ms. Mary Crosby welcome welcome to the consciousness I was like whoa whoa whoa and then she used to be Pentecostal

or something she was like a first lady or something of some mega church that the grandmother's that her step grandfather was the head of it's perfect what would it take that her step grandfather was the head of. It's perfect.

What would it take for you to marry a member of your own family? What would it take for your grandmother to die and for your reaction to be I gotta get my I gotta get my grandmother's husband's dick.

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every Housewives franchise is a different Shakespeare play, and it's like, yeah, it is Shakespeare in the way that these things play out, where people come in sane and then completely unravel. Or it's like, you know. Yeah. But it's also just a very... We're going to look back on this and be like, oh my gosh. We just looked at these things and we said keep going and in some aspects it was

and in some aspects i love it and in some aspects i'm like well you know what i can't fix it i i can't fix it i'm here in new york i actually have i have a different take on this i disagree that it's like a bad thing like i think a lot of people no no i'm not saying you guys are saying that but like i think like there's a public sort of like um popular notion about the house wives or the real housewives that it's like the trash even worse than kardashians etc like like it's just women desperate women who like have like alcohol problems or whatever problems in their life like fighting each other it's bad for women etc i think that's like something you hear about it a lot before you start yeah i disagree yeah for me i actually think the way it's helped me is i'm actually not afraid of conflict at all now because no i'm not even kidding you i admire the way and this is because they say a lot of the

shit that they talk on camera so they have to deal with it but i admire the way they'll turn to someone and say even if it doesn't always go great or they don't say it correctly i like when people say i feel this way about a particular thing this is why and this is why i'm talking to you about it i admire that because i think that's so much like in interpersonal relationships like if you are a people pleaser or if you are someone who like wants everyone to be happy all the time or you're someone that just isn't comfortable expressing yourself, it's something aspirational about being like, no, you know what? These are my emotions. I'm going to take up space with it because it's important. And you can deal with it the way you're going to deal with it. And at the very least, it shows a what not to do about how to resolve conflict. You know what I mean? You know what, Matt? I agree. I think there are definitely moments where in real life,

you should be able to say, you know what? Screw the niceties. This is what you did that was inappropriate to our group of friends own up to this publicly yeah and i have to say it this loud so you know that we all mean it yeah that's great gay people might gay people need to do that more if okay i agree if you're a gay friend is being problematic if your gay friend is trafficking in misogyny if your gay friend is being problematic, if your gay friend is trafficking in misogyny, if your gay friend is trafficking in like transphobia, racism, like respectability politics, I would even say being a centrist right now. If you have gay friends like that, be like, hey, I don't know if anyone has told you, but I'm here to tell you, cut that shit out right now. I have a few things to add. It's so interesting that you say that, Jay, because I have, this is kind of maybe gross to admit,

but I've had fantasies of housewives-esque confrontations that I initiate with friends who have transgressed in those exact ways that you've just listed jay and i'm just like i want to just be like hey cut that out and like you and i actually don't share the same values and you should stop this and i'm actually not interested in being your friend which i don't know if that's like housewives but it's just like i see that as the i see that as the presentational sort of like style in my own mind whatever to i the reason i say it won't end well is just because

i feel like with certain housewives it's like with the luanns and with the like certain there are certain case studies where um it's just it's just a little dark but overall i feel like the the value of this of this whole sort of series and these franchises is that it demystifies wealth for me it's like oh these people don't lack anything or i'm not lacking anything that these people have that's interesting yeah yeah totally they're living relatively normal lives it also helps to create and this seems selfish as people who work in entertainment it creates camp without even knowing it yeah oh yeah you go because they're dead serious and commitment to that is absurd when refracted back through a certain lens you go oh my good you believe this i love her yeah yeah yeah yep i laugh out loud all the time watching it

because of throwaway lines like when people don't realize like when candace said last year i invited her to my home i gave her a beverage i was like that's that's genius to me and also when they keep showing that she got on twitter and said in all caps where is your income roach i mean that to me what it's she's one of a kind and ultimately it's like it ultimately candace is the reason for this for the season and she is the reason for all the problems and what's it's going to come down to is how much can monique take matt makes fun of me for twitter and i feel like sometimes i get into candace territory because i will act up on twitter What it's going to come down to is how much can Monique take? Matt makes fun of me for Twitter. And I feel like sometimes I get into Candace territory because I will act up on Twitter.

No, I love it, though. It's the only place to act up. I don't know if I've ever called anyone a roach. But today, Herschel Walker's son said some stupid conservative bullshit. And I had to light his, he's a little queer biracial kid. So I had to be like, this ain't, girl, don't ever do this again. Well, you posted a Twitter poll today. Should I act up or should I act all the way up?

And I was like, you should act all the way up. People wanted me to act all the way up. What did you expect? People wanted me to act, and cause like, it's fine. I'm not doing anything dangerous. No, just a minute of typing. What can you do at 240 or less? What damage could you do really?

280, I'm just, you know, I'm- 280, 280, I'm sorry. You gonna see the outline of some things, that's it. Yeah, I mean, fire away. Jay, oh wow. And Jay's hitting that plus button on the tweet he's adding to the thread oh yeah maybe maybe you're not

sometimes I've done that if it's like if it's like something I'm like really passionate about like I would have done it about versus I would have done it about Mariah Carey or the X-Men I would do it if someone had something negative to say about one of y'all I'd be like hold on really andMen. I would do it if someone had something negative to say about one of y'all.

I'd be like, hold on. Really? And know that I would do the same for you. I would do the same for you. Because here's something crazy that people don't know. Now, and I never want to be the person who pulls up a ladder behind them. But now a lot of people see what folks do and see what folks did and think it's easy. And I have to say, it ain't.

Don't get on Twitter and get your 13,000 followers real quick because you're white and have a symmetrical face. And then think that you're in the talks for things. Some of these kids are like two years into doing comedy and think, where are my gifts? Where are my treats? It's like, babe. And I'm asking, babe, where are your jokes? Where are your credits? Okay.

I honestly think that social media makes everything look easier than it is. And that's just really that. You know what I mean? But there's a new phenomenon of, and Matt and I have talked about this, I talk about this

with Josh Hopper and Aaron Jackson all the time, there's this thing of like thinking that you are on a certain track to get things when it's like, no. Look at the people like the Jeff Hillers, the Darcy Card look at the people like the jeff hillers the darcy cardens the people who have like stuck with it for so long and now they're blowing the

fuck up because they like invested in community in a community they invested in their like fundamental career things and you like you don't talk enough about like i okay so i come from a theatrical background i have like a bfa and mfa so i did all of that before i even got to new york yeah like there was no part of me that was like oh i had a theatrical agent that couldn't do shit for me i had to drop them i moved here in 2015 there was a time when my friend who ended up being like hamilton amber michael loaie i was going to train clients and he was coming from a catering gig. And I was like, man, Michael should be catering. This dude is so talented. Like moments like that. That's what I remember. It's never like- Well, what everyone needs to know, what everyone needs to know is that the most

talented people are catering. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Like it is a lot of hard work. Which has nothing to do with their like worth as a person yeah no not at all i'm just saying like ultimately like quote unquote success or like whatever i do feel like it is a lot of luck it's also hard work it's also talent but it is a combination of those three things and you can be unlucky you can be so good and nothing happened you can be garbage and everything happened like but if you have but you definitely need to work hard you definitely need to be talented so

if you're not those two if you're not hard working or you're not talented work hard work hard that's like in comedy for me that's the one thing i always tell people i say i'll be like repetition yes get better at the thing you're trying to get good at jay makes it about the work oh yeah and that's what we love yeah totally and i just wanted to ask before we go on to i don't think so honey like what have you been loving doing the rear view you have such a fun battle i so blessing me with my good Christian auntie, Monique. Yes, Monique Hart is on the panel. Monique Hart, Brown Cow Stunning, The House Down. Monique plays with her voice, too, in a way that I don't think enough people play with their voice.

With the vocals. Oh, she's so fun. And her heart is so big. And she cares about so many people. And Chester is such a reliable activist and so funny and so self-deprecating. Super smart, yeah. And so, like, cool. Just so, like, what's like i learned there like what what

is that like factor i don't know yeah it it's coolness but it's also like chester is there before other people i talked about how much i liked uh reena sawayama and chester was like oh you mean my friend and i was like of course he's friends with reena i was like first of all uh well we could talk about sabayama the album later because it's oh so good very good i did a thread about that and patrick is so funny but also so good at reigning us in but also like a little mischievous oh house yeah i mean there's stories untold i mean we're gonna gonna have Patrick on the podcast someday. Patrick will be acting up and we don't even know. You have no idea.

Patrick, Patrick Rogers, if you are with him, he gives you like camp counselor crush vibes. You're like, oh, who's that guy? Six three. Well, Jay just found out that Patrick is six three. I just found out. Oh, because you haven't met, you haven't been in the same places.

I thought he was like a little five six otter i was ready i was ready to put my hand around his waist and now he gonna put his hand around my way like he sure is when i love we did my god oh my goodness he is. He is a good energy. Great energy. So lovely. And always ready to be like, let's talk about the important thing and then balance it out with something

that's not important at all. You need a moderator. If you're going to be a gay view, then you better have a moderator. And it's his baby. And Matt, I do have to tip my hat to you and Joel Kim Booster for like putting my name in the running for that spot that I got. Well, it's because baby, I mean, you know I know what's up.

And you know that I know. I just am such a fan of yours. I know that you know. I know that you know. And that's what we know. We see each other. We see each other. Speaking of things we know

we're gonna do i don't think so honey in which we know something and hate it and then rant for one minute about it um yeah so this is i don't think so honey it's 60 seconds it's a segment we've done it on every single episode gosh damn bowen and we've done hundreds of these motherfuckers we've done a lot of them. We've done many I Don't Think So Honeys, and we're going to keep doing them whether or not the listener enjoys them. So, Matt, do you have one?

And there's titters about maybe like a live event. I mean, I guess there are, but we haven't really checked in on this recently. That was me taking Bowen's temperature. Bowen's about to dive face and ass first into SNL and I'm like, let's do a live show on Zoom! And he's like, get out of my face.

Who knows? He's going back to war. In October. I'm excited. Yeah, it's going to be fun. The tea is, last night I hung out with Sudi and Heidi and Ego and I was just telling them I'm expecting, my anticipation is that I might not be in these because they're just they're keeping them

very sort of you know lean that's all I'll say for now but it's like I'm just like I'm not gonna like set myself up for any sort of crazy lofty expectation well I would say this I might not be that busy so we

could just do a live I don't think so you say for a featured player we have had been graced with many bon yang appearances and we will look forward to whatever we can get out of these five before the damn election and then who the fuck knows what's gonna happen um but in the meantime uh i would like to do my i don't think so honey okay so this is matt rogers i don't think so honey as time starts now i don't think so honey the feeling of and wording of swamp ass okay so let's talk about the words swamp ass okay so this is a swamp this is a marshy area with gators, and it's hot and muggy. And then we have the word ass, which is your world, what happens in your pants. These two things should not be in the same sentence, although we find them in the same sentence many, many times, mostly used by straight male teens.

When they discover this word swamp ass and they associate the feeling with the words, they want to use it a lot. And it's become part of the culture. I don't like it. I don't think so, honey. Let's talk about how it feels to have swamp ass. Disgusting. It feels like a swamp in your hole, or as I call it, your world. And even if you have a little bit of hair down there, you know it gets all the worse. And then you think it's going to get better if you shave it.

No, it gets sweatier, actually. So having a bare hole actually is an even worse thing also when you fart it makes a sound when it's fire down there swamp ass i don't think so i just want a clean pure ass and that's one minute what would you call it instead instead of swamp ass yeah are you you're saying but because you're saying i don't think so any of the feeling of and the wording of like just it as an entire idea i don't like i, the feeling of and the wording of swamp ass. It as an entire idea, I don't like. I would say that the fact that it's called swamp ass is almost too accurate for what it is down there that I hate it. Get a Pure For Men.

They do the ass scrubs. They do the ass lotion. It keeps you nice. There's ass deodorant. It keeps you nice down there i am going to say that there are gonna i'm not one of them but they're gonna be some kinksters that are readers that will be like matt i like it that they do like it i actually had some folks that are like when i go back to the eagle i'm gonna have it yep yeah so i was this was years ago I was gonna go hook up with a guy and I had just

discovered getting my ass eaten. I'll never forget where I was. I was in college. I was in college in my dorm. When were you when Michael Jackson died? When were you when your ass got eaten? The way your eyes rolled back right then though, Matt. Girl, I love it.

Basically, it's the first time that it ever happened and I just didn't know it could feel like that. I was just like oh my god so then there was this other guy i was talking to in college years ago and he was trying he was he we were gonna fuck and i was sort of saying i liked my ass eating now and he's like i love it don't shower and i was like huh oh my god because that to me and now as like an ass, I think that everyone's got to shower. Yeah. And it's interesting you bring up the scrubs. I encountered someone who had used the chocolate scrub on their hole recently.

Wow. And it didn't taste like chocolate to me, I guess. It didn't taste like chocolate to me, which, as I was eating eating and I'm like, do you want an ass to taste like chocolate? But then I was like, sometimes it's brown. I don't know. It got a little heady for me when it came to chocolate ass scrub. Oh my gosh.

You don't want to serve dinner off no dirty plates, right? That's true. I mean, for me, it's like, if I'm going to be doing the digging, let's clear out some,

let's make it a good atmosphere oh yeah all right wow very good bad but the guy was on your lead uh film by the media somebody pointed to the best ass he died yes that's um but what would you say sorry basically what i was saying was this did happen to me in college where someone was like amazing don't shower he was like I like men and put men all in caps and I was like oh okay hold on that's getting a little well the person was 20 years old

it's just one of me I think what he was saying was he wanted like nasty sweaty manhood manhood it was the year 2009 bowen yang i i was enlightened enough back then to not you know who that was i wasn't hooking up with this guy because he was smart that was on some vicky valley court from the water boy shit like when she tells bobby's mom

men are supposed to have stinky feet. It's like on that. So, you know, I mean, I don't kink shame, but everyone just do whatever your partner prefers. No, not kink shaming at all. Just saying it's to each their own. Wow.

So, you know, traditionally, after I go, Bo and Yang will go. Mm-hmm. And I'm wondering if he's feeling giggly and groggy enough to go. I am feeling giggly and groggy enough. We'll see how this goes. Okay.

Well, this is Bo and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. And his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey spackling, a.k.a. wall patch, a.k.a. ceiling patch, vinyl spackling aka wall patch aka ceiling patch vinyl spackling why you look like ice cream why you look like fro-yo and why are you coming in a damn cup at the hardware store don't package this like food when it's not supposed to be food and then i'm scraping it out with a putty knife and it looks like the consistency of a nice beautiful treat that I would eat on a summer's day. So, spackling, you gotta

get new drag going. You gotta pick a new look because it's not working because you might poison a child someday soon. I'm sure you already have. Spackling, I don't like this cup nonsense. Go into a tube where you belong. Go into a big old bucket but not not

ice cream not not a briars thing you go into a big bucket you gotta signal the fact that you're not food because too much of you is five seconds like and spackling i i have your number and i am going to stop at nothing to make sure you belong in a tube that you end up in a tube and that's one minute and thank you for speaking out for it's a safety hazard it's a safety hazard looks like ice cream any child or dumb adult could walk over any of that i was i was i was filling some nail holes today in the wall and i thought i was as i was doing i was like this looks yummy could it eat it right away and for bowen yang to almost eat the spackling, you have a huge problem. And insulation.

Insulation. Insulation looks like cotton candy. Insulation looks like cotton candy, yeah. And even Bowen Yang is going to eat insulation. This is crazy to have one of the smartest young people in America, Bowen Yang. And he's got so much talent and so much intelligence and so much promise yet to come and still

you have him eating the spackling eating the insulation the asbestos, he eats it cut down in his prime because of the temptation that is spackling they said no one's broken out like they said no one's broken out like this since Kate McKinnon.

He ate spackling and died. Spackling and died. He died. We're cutting. No, we're not. And it wasn't even on the bet list of the ways he would die. No, everyone said meth overdose. Everyone said, you know.

I don't even want to make this about me but if we have these teens eating the tide pod if we have these kids eating the tide pods who knows what they'll do when they come across spackling uh in the garage it's covid bowen yang is you know he's stressed he's looking at the spackling he's thinking um should i eat this this is a cry for help on the podcast Lost Cult. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, that's my truth. I thought it was amazing.

Thank you. I thought it was amazing. Thank you very much. It's time for Jay Jordan's truth, and I don't think so, honey. And he's an expert at the form. All right. He's done very well. At the Bell House and at Flamcon.

Flamcon and the Midtown Hilton. Yes. Yes, it is. Midtown Hilton. Yes. Yes, it is. Or no, Marriott. No, Marriott. Sheraton, I think. Sheraton, yes. They think you. Of course.

This is Jay Jordan's I Don't Think So, Honey. His time starts now. Okay. I Don't Think So, Honey. Straight white men thinking the X-Men are for you. They are not. Oh, my God. They are not for you.

They are queer. They are outcasts. They are queer. They are outcasts. They are women. They are the other. They are a marginalized group. Their powers manifested puberty. What did you manifest at puberty besides crusty socks? Come on. It's not about you straight white men.

You like Wolverine? Too bad. You're 5'3". Get over it. You can go like the Punisher. Like someone else. You don't get to like mutants. First thing, mutants were created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Now, a lot of straight people go, oh, two straight people created them. So they're straight people. No, but guess what straight people also create?

Gay people. So they did it. The X-Men are for us and by us. Right now, they live on Krakoa, a mutant island co-op where they all live together harmoniously. And villains live there too because guess what? These people are only villains in the eyes of normal people, aka straight people and non-mutants.

So, the X-Men are not for you straight white men, but you can enjoy it, I guess. Be an ally. That's one minute. Thank you very much. You know, breaking news to everyone who loves Wolverine. You know who's Wolverine? Hugh Jackman, who is tap dancing and winning Tony Awards.

Man. And belting his titties off. It goes crazy. Right now, Wolverine in the comic books is in a polyamorous throuple with Scott Summers and Jean Grey. And they have adjoining rooms. What? So Scott is fucking. Yes. Is. What? So Scott is fucking, is Logan,

Logan and Scott are fucking, we think? Yes. It's heavily implied by Jonathan Hickman that the X-Men, particularly Wolverine, Cyclops, and Jean, have a polyamorous triad going on right now. I get it.

And this is the beauty of queerness. It solves the problem of that love triangle, like that, and all of a sudden they're all having sex. It's perfect. Everybody wins. Everybody wins. So deal with it.

Straight dudes who are like, no, no, there's nothing. I think we can give straight people Spider- We can give straight dudes Spider-Man. Yeah, y'all can have Spider-Man. Y'all can have- I love Spider-Man. I love Spider-Man man too i don't

like giving it up to them but i get it i i think i think i'm okay with giving giving it to them no i'll tell you what you know you know who's exclusively for straight people this though because spider man might be bad too but i didn't say it but you know i've heard this but you know who's exclusively for straight people the hulk yes yes i'm feeling i'm feeling some emotion so i become a monster get out of here bat batman batman is for the straights i think yeah yeah straight people you can have batman there's so many people that you can have it's just oh i want to let you know that the x-men while you can help uplift their and affirm their message they are queer and for queer people when batman tried to be queer schumacher in the movies when she when schumacher tried to make them

gay the straights revolted and and and wouldn't have it so which is a shame it's such a shame but i think we we lost that war ultimately um So I can give Batman to them. But yeah, we keep X-Men. But the images live on with us. Because when gay people lose, we still will drag something from that defeat. If we lose, we'll go, I'm taking this. If you kick me out of this bar, I'm taking my drink with me on the street. I love that.

We lost nothing with Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. We gained so much. We gained so much. All those ass shots. We gained Nicole I almost said Nicole Kerman. Nicole Kidman with that Veronica Leia haircut as Dr. Chase Meridian.

We got Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy. Come on. Come on. Vivica Fox. We got a mindlessman as Poison Ivy. Come on. Come on. We got Vivica Fox. True. We got a mindless grunting Bane. And we've all tipped that go-go boy. Honey, let me tell you something. Give me that mindless grunting Bane.

The second Bane started talking in Dark Knight Rises, I was like, get me out of here. Get me out of here. I take Dark Knight Rises Bane over Poison Ivy Bane. You have a freakish disposition. The vascularity on that Bane was too much. I did not like the blood vessels. It was silly.

It was goof. That's the thing about the film. You're like, that's... It was... Actually, yes, yes. Bane had too many blood vessels. That's my note. That was a bridge too far for Bob.

Pocahontas had too many animal sidekicks, and Batman and Robin had... Bane had too many veins. Oh, my God. What are you going to say next week to complete this trilogy? Wow. We'll see.

We'll see. We're going to have to see. Radcliffe as a queer. I saw something about that this week. Radcliffe as queer? Governor Radcliffe as a queer I saw something about that this week Radcliffe as queer? Governor Radcliffe as a queer Oh yeah With the cape, whenever he has the song

The cape gets in the way When he's singing the Savage's Savage's song He's being very gay And there's a song that he has like a solo before that Which is one of the gayest things you've ever seen Dig dig Dig dig Yeah dig dig someone's back out.

With Percy, with his little twink. You know that was the twink. Percy was the pug, so whoever his assistant was. Well, whoever Christian Bale plays in that movie, that twink. Christian Bale. No, no, no. You're talking about John Roth?

Are you talking about Roth? No, no, hon. I'm talking about... Wait, is that John Roth? No, no, hon. I'm talking about... Christian Bale was the guy who shoots Cocoa. Thomas. Thomas. The twink who groomed the pug.

Him. Yes, him. Thomas was a different kind of gay. Yeah, different kind of gay. But I reject... I don't want this the the colonialism dude to be ours though i don't like oh yeah but that wasn't when it was a good that so so basically like no no no i know because jafar was very gay and jafar like you can't really there's no flies on jafar jafar is like no flies on jafar all around him he's very evil and was gonna kill her in sand never forget that and we know from

last week that matt hates sand matt hates sand get iconic culture jasmine in the hourglass you cannot deny i mean yes iconic but but let's not forget like you know if you if you appreciated all that just know there was a woman suffering okay and she almost suffocated in the sand what's okay so my favorite part of aladdin is whenever whenever the sultan almost gets hypnotized and jafar is like the princess will marry me and the reason that the sultan breaks the power of the staff is that he goes, but you're so old. And Jafar gets upset about it. It's so funny. It's just so, the joke has been made so many times, but it is so funny that every Disney villain is gay.

It's so crazy. It's like, how do we make this unusual and offbeat? And it's the 90s or the 80s, whenever. How do we do it? You got to make him a homosexual. It started with Ursula. Yes, it did. But Ursula, I went...

Does it not start earlier with the Rescuers? Oh, was there a gay character in The rescuers i want to say the lady in the red dress so they're like it wasn't just uh cisgender and queer men it was like just queer as outliers of like the heteronormative path that the character that the heroes would take right right right right yeah the first person that i ever saw make this um uh observation and then like do stand up about it was shout out james adomian has the funniest run riff on this like he he goes for like so long on like how ursula is like that old dyke behind the bar that's like yeah we're closed but you can have another drink you know what i mean like she's just so that woman that's like that's like, yeah, we're closed, but you can have another drink. You know what I mean? Like, she's just so that woman. That's like ripped from an Adomian bit.

It's also like a weird, like even like her body is different than other people's. She's overtly sexual. Oh, tentacle-born, yes. Yeah, but she's also masculine. I mean, it's amazing. But Pat Carroll doing, just the first time you see Ursula, she goes, oh, no, no doing the first time you see Ursula she goes oh no no the second time you see Ursula like the girl's in love with the prince

and then like in the lower register daddy will love that it's like so gay from a lighting standpoint they play with like oh yeah as like two gay attendants and I mean I'm gonna tell you right now

any regional production i've ever seen of the little mermaid minus the heelys i ain't seen a straight flosam and jessam yet hello that's why we were campaigning we were it was it was it was it was hollywood news we were campaigning to be in the movie it was hollywood news it was all the trades you guys should watch um howard the documentary on Howard Ashman on Disney+. Howard Ashman. I do want to see that. It's good. They kind of erase a lot of the,

they don't erase the gay stuff, but they sort of like, they kind of make it seem like he never politicized his work. He never made his work personal, but it's like, that's not true. Like don't like sideline the gay thing immediately. It's the way that like in Bohemian Rhapsody

that they kind of like, kind of put the thing on the margin that he's gay thing immediately. It's the way that like in Bohemian Rhapsody that they kind of like kind of put the thing on the margin that he's gay like completely. So that's the only like note I have. You get HIV from like looking at a male fan and they're like, that's it. Yeah, he saw one man in leather and then all of a sudden his life was over.

Right, right. But it's very good. Anyway. Anyway, wow. This ep. Wonderful episode. What a wonderful ep with a wonderful fucking guest. Wow. This ep. Wonderful episode. What a wonderful ep. I was so happy to be here.

You two make my day. You make me so happy. Trailblazers. People. I don't know if you guys know this, but people in whatever comedy high school where people are like, how do we pull off a senior prank like they pulled off one? It's like a very... It's a senior prank.

That's nice. People are very aware of your legacy and your continued support of queer comedians and queer people who are stand-up adjacent. I have like a weird... I'm such a bad queer person sometimes because I'm always like, oh yeah. I need to make sure that I'm like shouting my family out. So I'm always like, okay, well this person is so

good. So like sometimes I try to do that, but I have to give you guys those flowers. But you guys are so good. I'm so happy to be here. That makes me so happy to hear you say that. We are the biggest fans. We love you so much.

Everyone should be listening to the rear view too because those are a bunch of good Judys. Yes. We love the show and I just love the pacing of the show. I think it's such a fun, great idea and it's great. It's perfect. if you like me you can buy my album, I had an album come out in April and it was fun

it's Jay Jordan y'all that's the album and it topped the charts it was iTunes number one comedy for a few for a little bit, for not hours like a couple days I knew that album was a little bit, for not hours, like a couple days.

I knew that album was a top. Yeah, but that album wasn't always a top. That album can be whatever you want it to be, provided that you have a good vibe. And on that note, and on that note, we end every episode of Vasco de Riz does

with a song. L.A. Prove too much for the man. I'll be the pips. Too much for the man. So he's leaving the life. He's coming home. And you know what?

I'm not leaving. He say he's going. Said he's going back to fine. Going back to fine. You know what? If you want to hear this, go listen to Gladys Knight. Bye!

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