Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Fuckboi Files" (w/ Mary Beth Barone)

Episode Date: December 4, 2019

This week Mary Beth Barone joins Matt and Bowen to discuss her live show, Drag His Ass, being a recovering fuckboi addict, the influence of It Takes Two, Lucille Ball, dropping out of college to pursue comedy, and more!MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple. Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What?

You told her? Not today, Satan. Not today. The Real Housewives of New York City. All new Tuesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I'm Sheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day.

Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from

being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show,

Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-scenes stories, crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules.

New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Forever. Dog. Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there.

Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Cultur look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

Sorry, I was a little shaken because Bowen for the first time verbally counted down. I couldn't believe it as the phonation was happening. You were like, three, two, one. Like it was a damn Janet Jackson All For You music video. Is there any counting down in that or did I make that

4, 3, 2, 1 oh my god what iconic culture that's actually real culture number 8 4, 3, 2, 1 that fucking music video

where she's in that futuristic subway station do you know what I'm talking about do I know what you're talking about her abs in that video insane

that was actually at the time really a rebirth of Janet. Absolutely. And it was right when I moved to the US from Canada and I famously grew up without cable and I was at a sleepover with a bunch of boys and we stayed up and watched MTV all night and that video came on and that was a culture that made me think culture was for me because it was a culture.

But then that was also like, this is classic queer narrative, young queer narrative where you're at a sleepover with your gender, let's say. For cis gay men. Of course, gender only. Gender only. And then you, gender exclusive. Gender exclusive slumber parties

were a huge culture in the late 90s. Huge culture in the late 90s. But then that video came on in 2000, 2001. And I just remember being, everyone was like, she's so hot. And I was like, yeah.

But also, what else is that yeah exactly yeah what else what else it's the UCB thing of if this is true what else is true it's actually real culture number 16 it's the UCB thing of if this is true what else is true and I love saying that like a damn

drag queen speaking of play to the top of your intelligence oh honey yes and And I love saying that like a damn drag queen. Speaking of... Play to the top of your intelligence. Oh, honey. Yes, and? So basically, honey, let me say, it's actually no surprise that we're talking about this sort of late 90s culture.

Because I will say, last night at the event, and by the event, of course, means Seek Culture Live. We're recording this the day after. We performed a song called To Become One by the Spice Girls, by one the Spice Girls or by five the Spice Girls. Written by Emma Bunton. She did not. I was just told today that Emma wrote that song.

Are you kidding me? Baby Spice wrote that song. Wow. There's no way to verify it. There is literally no way to verify who wrote this song. It's lost to the sands of time we'll never know it's it's it's it's ancient knowledge yes but wow and actually that would make a lot of sense to me because i did hear i do think it's spice girls culture that they did

write a lot of their songs yeah and also that song iconically has that like little like last verse which is like be a little bit wiser baby baby. Put it on, put it on. Because the Spice Girls were all about, they were ahead of their time. They were about feminism. They were about girl power, supporting each other, individuality. And they were also about safe sex, honey. And they were about calling a black person scary. No, I think they bravely called her scary because she did have the scary energy. And they said, we're not going to shy away from the fact

also they did not coin their own names it was this journalist who gave them all those names you're kidding you didn't know this it was a journalist like they just come out with the video I think wannabe had just come out and then this music journalist in the UK like assigned them the names just like kind of like okay well now I don't love that

really but then they like owned it they like took those titles and like really I think that I think that they were all aptly named and also I really loved discovering last night at the event of course by the event I mean see culture live that me you Pat Kat and of course one of our new sister Ben Platt all have I got occupying a different Spice Girl energy yes you being You being posh Spice. I was posh. You are absolutely posh. I feel like Kat also could occupy that.

Kat is ginger Spice. Oh, Kat's ginger. Absolutely. That's culture. And of course, Pat is sporty Spice. You are... I am scary Spice. Scary Spice.

And Ben Platt is baby Spice. Because Ben Platt is, of course, 15. 15. Which we saw in Dear Evan Hansen absolutely that was a huge part of the performance

was his being 15 and you break your arm when you're 15 yes and he had a broken arm in the show and for him to have a broken arm

for a year and a half was really we didn't ask him about that I was like what was it like getting in that damn cast every day that's like Alphaba

in the green makeup that's like only that role only that role and you know what? Iconic and we'll have to ask him when we have him again. But you know who I'm very curious if they've ever broken a

bone? Our damn guest. But also to tie back to early millennial culture, she's wearing a damn shirt with Hilary Duff. Metamorphosis. The Metamorphosis tour. 2003, 2004. This actually is huge culture.

And you know what? I'm very excited when we do. So this is a little BTS. At the end of the podcast recording, we do a picture. Yes. And I'm so happy that this shirt is going to have a place on my grid, your grid, her grid. We hope her grid. We hope her grid.

We always hope the grass posts to the grid. We don't ever expect people to post to me. No expectations about the grid. But if you want to post to the grid, you're more than welcome. But it's not a requirement. Helps with the traffic. It absolutely helps.

Helps with the heads. But there's no gun to your head. Sorry about the phrase. I only say it because it's a wives tale. I understand. It's a wives tale. Sensitivity. It's an old wives tale, that phrase.

It's actually a rule of culture. Gun to my head Is an old wives tale That's rule of culture number Two But you know But you know We're so excited She's so god damn funny

I She did a set Stan She did a set at a show recently That I was at Truly truly brought the house down Has a joke that I Have to quote back to her

That I've been thinking about Since it came out of her mouth Now's the moment Well I'll do I'll bring her in Oh you want have to quote back to her that I've been thinking about since it came out of her mouth. Now's the moment. Well, I'll bring her in. Oh, you want to quote it back to her. Of course, because she's not here yet. She's not here yet. We can see her shirt, but she's not... The invocation is happening now. She's not present yet, but

a show, Drag His Ass, Chelsea Music Hall, monthly. It's going to come back in 2020. I can't wait. It's returning in 2020 2020 just like Adele. Just like Adele. And also, you can see her at the Comedy Hub in Houston, Texas, honey, on December 13th and 14th. Please check her out.

Where she's going to be doing some gigs. And truly, just following this person is well worth your time. So you can see their grid. Who knows? You might even see a picture of the two of us and the Hilary Duff shirt in it. If she chooses to post it. And again, this is not. It's merely encouragement.

It's not mandated. Right. But we're so excited she's here. Please welcome into your ears. Mary Beth Barone. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is such a huge moment for me.

Stop it. No, you don't even know. I told Bo in this at the show, but I used to have a goals wall. It's now defunct, but I had a goals wall because it was holding me back. It ended up holding me back, but I had a goals wall with post-its of all my goals. It was like short-term, medium-term, long-term, lost culture.

It was on the wall. Oh my God. I'm not trying to gas you up, but it is true. That's so nice. Just being honest. That is too kind. And also, honestly, if I were to make a goals wall now, I think it would just be a large picture of you. Honestly, because it's comedically, aesthetically, vibe-wise. I was like, sometimes I do look up at you on stage and I will find myself whispering underneath my breath, goals.

Goals. Sometimes I'll just be like, goals. Goals. She's got it. And it was a happy moment when I ran into you outside. That was beautiful. That was beautiful. And you two were just squawking,king squawking squawking all the way up here did not let emma get a word in edgewise to tell you that unofficial expert was recording in here before

yeah no actually we did just truly barge into the room and unofficial expert was recording and i feel very sad about our energy coming in that we um honestly kind of i guess bum rushed the energy but also honey get here on time and then you can be fucking out of here because you know they weren't scheduled to run over

yeah exactly okay wow wow when Mary Beth is coming in you make room you make room I have to quote this joke back to you

do you know what I'm gonna say I don't know which one you talk about how you're bisexual and you're like I don't think I identify as queer because my hair is too clean my hair smells too good what is it what is it the joke is that i'm bisexual i wanted to call myself queer but they said i can't because

my hair is too clean i think that's so that's such a good joke it's gonna get me canceled no it won't no here's because here's what it is i thought about you know why you know why i love that fucking joke is because and why it's not problematic it's it's that it's what it is. I thought about it. You know why I love that fucking joke? It's because, and why it's not problematic, it's that it's a joke about presentation. It's a joke about queer presentation. It's like, yeah, the people who call themselves queer have fucking gunk in their head. Also, not for nothing, but it's also a...

Myself included. I'm dunking on myself. Right. I mean, I've recently come to the whole realization of, oh, you don't have to wash your hair every day. I've been that freak-o who washes my hair with shampoo and conditioner every day, sometimes twice a day. And that's literally the worst thing you could do. Twice a day?

Worse than jumping off a bridge. It is. Worse for your hair. Worse for your hair than jumping off a bridge. Absolutely. But what I love about, one of my favorite things about you is that you have such a strong point of view in your comedy. And you have a persona that you really, and I feel like that joke is like, and completely sorry to be at UCB, but on game on your persona. And to be on game in 2020.

To be on game. You have to be. You have no choice not to. You have no choice. Because then someone will be like, well, that person didn't take a UCB class. They did not go through the curriculum. They did not. They went did not and then advanced study honey

did you do the whole thing the whole gamut I did I was thinking about that this morning I was like you know part of me kind of wishes that I had like

gotten onto some team because you and Catherine last night at Seaculture I was like oh Matt, Kat, Pat all got all the way up to house teams Kat was on a team

she was actually we were on mod at the same time. Oh, mod. This is like the Catherine of old. I saw it my first mod night. I saw you. Oh, really?

You guys did a mermaid sketch. And I was like, it was something about figuring out why mermaids are hot or something. I have no idea, but that sounds very mod. And someone came out on a rolling thing wearing a mermaid tail.

And I turned to my friend and I was like, wait, that guy's hot. And she was like, gay. And I was like, tragic. You were and she was like gay and I was like tragic you were talking about her me? that's so kind to be called hot on the UCB stage actually is huge because I was once in the audience

and looking up at people and being like you know when you get like a little show crush it's usually for me how they look in pants oh 100% I will sometimes get horny while watching shows because actually in the book, in the handbook, you're not allowed to wear shorts. Yeah, exactly.

Did they say that? Del Close wrote that. Yeah. Yeah, great. Cool. And we have no choice but to honor him. Yeah, we actually have no choice. Did you hear about the Del Close movie?

Oh, no, no, no. I thought it was not being made. Is it still being made? No, it's being made. Well, actually, I believe it's a- There were multiple movies. This is literally confirmed. Called Mogul Guru? Kay Cannon is directing a film called dell and sharna and it's going to be about

the origins of improv as we know it got it got it yeah the film that we never knew we needed honestly if it means like an improv revival then great i miss it every now and then i really do yeah i miss the culture of like just why because there is something fun about something completely disposable and like there's no thread to follow with this it's not like you do like like a like a stand-up show that has like a specific premise to it and then you like mine material out of that it's nothing it's just you do it it's trash it's worthless everyone's on the same page about how this is all you believe it for the moment

and that's it I kind of miss it I will say there was something very there was something always very fun and always like

blew me away I don't know about you guys but about people just coming up with that shit oh my god no it truly blew my mind every time I would see like a weekend team

just absolutely knock it out of the park I was like this is actually like magic it's magic it is magic the people who the people who are this is actually magic. It's magic. It is magic. The people who are so good at it are geniuses.

I will say, I am very happy that I'm not very happy, but it's pleasing to me in my career that it's sort of expanded out into doing other things and comedy and stuff in New York because I felt for a while, and I don't know how you guys felt, but I with like the UCB sort of improv thing like the the Harold yeah I

just didn't connect with me I just but I knew I wasn't bad at this but to for that to be like well if you're not good at this like this is like it's like very hard to stand in the road it's gonna be a no from me dog exactly um i felt very like oh no and like sketch wasn't like popping like i feel like when we were like all kind of like watching it and now i feel like it's flipped i feel like improv is kind of like having a lull right now yeah and it's all about sketch it's all about well you know also like they sketch on tv is like back yeah i know in a big way astronomy club black lady sketch show and i think you should leave like oh my god like there's like so much that was so fucking good that

show talk about blowing me away i mean just hits on hits hits on hits i awkwardly and i do regret this i will regret this till my dying breath i awkwardly approached tim robinson at the comedy central emmy party and was like i just wanted you to know that your show, like, I think it really like changed comedy. Yes. And he was so caught off guard by my like brazenness and boldness. He just, he did not know how to like process it. Are you sure? Tim Robinson, if you're listening, I'm sorry.

I should have just waited to be introduced by someone, but I didn't. Hey, I just want you to know, I think your show changed comedy. And that's like oh my god this has been the most overwhelming thing I hear at the Emmys it was the pre-Emmy party but it was I regret it no don't regret it

I feel like he's the nicest nicest person okay so I feel like he's not like he didn't walk away from that being like oh my god who is that yeah who is that like gorgeous woman who just came up to me and complimented my show how dare she how dare she never again how dare she be kind and caproach me and caproach she caproached me at this party i'm around my peers this is the emmys she caproached me she caproached Me. She Caproached. Is the title of that. She Caproached Me. Well, honestly, I am happy about the sketch moment.

And I can also say, so Game Show was sharing a floor with the Black Lady Sketch Show. Because they are coming back to write their second season. And the vibes are very good. In that office, in that room. Yes, in the office, in the room. So I think we can look forward to a very good season. And also, I'll tell you who I stand now. Who I always liked. Robin. But I think we can look forward to a very good season. And also I'll tell you who I stand now, who I always liked. Robin.

But I love Miss Robin. Oh, she's great. She's good energy. She's gonna be on Game Show. I ran into her in the hallway. I don't think she knew who I was. I was like, hello. And then I just kept walking.

She is. She's very, very, very, very good energy. So I'm happy about, I'm happy about Sketch. I'm happy about the diversity in sketch because that is another thing is it's like like when

at the time coming I look back at the stuff that I used to create when we were all kind of like in that system and it's like oh that wasn't my voice so I feel like

because you're trying to fit in with the boys if it was the boys yeah the boys always trying to fit in with the boys yeah it's a pressure

and now you don't have to and now guess what I'm the boys you, the boys. I'm always trying to fit in with the boys. Yeah, it's a pressure. And now you don't have to. And now, guess what? I'm the boys. You're the boys. Oh, no. It's come full circle. It's come full circle.

Well, I was always, the thing about me is I was always, technically, a boy. Right. But it's hard. It's hard when there's people that are just a little bit more boys. Yeah. Sure.

But now you've reached that pinnacle. I've reached that pinnacle of being. And I'm excited to see what comes next. Exactly. The boys turn into the men. I don. Exactly. The boys turn into the men. The boys turn into the men. I don't know. And we don't know.

We don't know. What is... Were you like around the annoyance when it was a thing? Not really. I mean, I had a crush on some people that were on teams there so I did go one time.

Name names. Name names. I can if you want. Wait, really? Let's do it. I love naming names. Name names. Oh my God, MB.

Hold on. We're going to name names. We're going to name names. If you name names, then Let's do it. I love naming names. Name names. Oh my God, MB. Oh wait, hold on. We're going to name names. We're going to name names. If you name names, then we can name names. I'll name names. I'll name names. Okay, I mean my crushes at the Annoyance were obviously Carmen Christopher, John Reynolds, Matt Baratz.

Yeah. Those are the three. Trifecta. Trifecta. They were crush worthy. Crush worthy. So I remember I went one time and I just thought it was, well, it wasn't nice. Let's just call a spade a spade.

No, the annoyance was the annoyance. It was definitely a basement in Brooklyn for sure. It was self-aware of the gritty charm it had. Let's just say that. It smelled like rat. And sometimes there would be rats. But I did feel a sense of community around us all being on the same page about,

okay, even up to Annie Donnelly and Phil Markle, we were all like yeah like this is like gross space but thank you for bringing us together yeah it's gross but also thank you

also thank you and it showed me some performers I wouldn't have otherwise seen exactly the first time I saw them was at Ka-ching Ka-ching Ka-ching a late night show

Thursdays at UCB East yes may she rest in peace may she rest in peace and I remember just being like okay hot guys the boys they were the boys they were the boys see that's the thing is it's like you at UCB East. Yes. May she rest in peace. May she rest in peace. And I remember just being like, okay, hot guys in,

the boys. They were the boys. They were the boys. See, that's the thing, is it's like, you essentially are powerless to men who are attractive and then when they are funny,

it unfortunately is overwhelming. Oh my, don't get me, I mean, if we want to name names, it's, this has been, this will be my legacy

is just hooking up with comedians. That's great. Honestly, I wish. Is it? No, no. Because I feel like you can. Is it?

Hooking up with comedians is dicey unless, if you don't have the proper like coping mechanisms around it. Which now I do because I'm in therapy. So it's fine. Right, exactly. But it's so, it was frustrating as a gay man to want to get your nut so badly. Yeah. With some of these straight male comedians. And then afterwards you're like, why, why, why? But with some of these straight male comedians and then afterwards

you're like why why why but there are so many hot gay comedians now and can i tell you i'm thankful for that visibility as well thank you thank you thank you gay comedians thank you for taking to the stage so i can see how you look in jeans up there and we can objectify you equally absolutely i'll objectify a gay male comedian absolutely Absolutely. Nothing will stop me from doing that. We can all see him at Taillane. Oh, honey. Absolutely. We can.

We can all see him. Okay, I'll name names. Just to make this known. Name names. Annoyance people. We're saying annoyance people? No, anyone. Anyone from that time?

Anyone that you watched as someone who was coming up that you were like, I have a crush on. Oh, okay. Easy, easy, easy. When I just moved to New York in 2008, that was like, for me, like, Ask Kat was like everything in the world. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Easy, easy, easy. When I just moved to New York in 2008, that was like for me, like, ASCAP was like everything in the world. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So Jason Manzoukas I was like, that was like

this man is the hottest person I've ever seen. And then truly I had a little crush on Bobby Moynihan too when he was on stage. Oh, yeah. I was like, he's so adorable and charming and like sexy and then

okay and then I'm just gonna skip straight to Annoyance John Reynolds of course John Reynolds of course Carm of course Ryan Douglas tech at the Annoyance

who would tech Lake Homo High I remember him deep cut but he's he's just the most sensitive beautiful straight man who was so kind

and so patient with us we would just be squawking gay men every week Lake Homo High what an era what an era but he was like he was so kind and so patient with us. We would just be squawking gay men every week. Lake Como High, what an era. What an era, but he was like,

he was like kind of, he had like a queer brain. You know what I'm saying? He had a queer brain. He had like a gay little brain. Straight man with a queer brain. You can't get a sign me up.

Powerless against that. An ally of ally, capital A ally. Yeah. And then, yeah, that's it. And then with the gays, like I had a crush on every boy. Like truly like, gays, like, I had a crush on every boy.

Like, truly, like, teen girl squad, like, had a crush on every boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we're all boy crazy here. We're all boy crazy, but could never act on it. Finally, I found my people. No, no, no. Absolutely. We're not here to, like, yuck that at all.

But I just, like, couldn't – I never acted on it because I had been burned before. Sam Taggart and I had a whole saga where I was like, I'm in love with you. And he was like, I'm so sorry. i don't know what to say and then we stopped talking for six months and then we like we're friends again you needed the space we needed the space and then now we're better friends than ever yeah i mean this is this life is long life is long things happen i'm trying to think who who did i like absolutely have a crush on honestly i will say i saw thomas middleditch do some stuff like back in the day where i was just like this man is a magician and it was fully the hottest thing i've ever seen yeah

i remember i'll never forget like watching an old show oh josh rubin sorry and josh rubin sorry well and i will also say i literally took brandon gardner's 201 because i was in love with him his arms wait oh wait wait yeah he was yeah yeah yeah yeah a hundred yeah and then honestly like he had that some like a quiet like improv sensei energy where i was just like you are hot yeah and i couldn't actually perform in his class i actually had such a crush on him and then i remember he he would do the thing where he was like selecting students to make like little indie teams oh god wait never mind he picked he picked sudi to be on one of his indie teams and he did not i was not graced with this and i was just like

well he doesn't like me he doesn't have a crush on me the way that boy doesn't like me the way i like him was indie teams or advanced studies he would just oh he would just like make it well this was a thing it was like you know like when i think when some teachers would like see that there was talent in their classes they would say say, hey, you should actually do this because you could be on a team and be good at it. But regardless, I remember Middle Ditch. I talk about this all the time. I saw him do a scene with Frank Gillespie

where they played the sun and the moon. And I was just like, these people are the best at this I've ever seen. And I've just, just the thing, the worlds that Middle Ditch would create. No surprise to me that he has gone on to the success he has. And also, the thing that I miss so much about the UCB Chelsea space is it was able to create amazing actors, I think, because the space was so small. And the seats were close to the stage. That you could do something really small and it would get a reaction. And so no performer that was beat was there

thought like oh i have to really do too much like they were encouraged to make those little small things and i think that's why it's created such and those are people who are good actors on camera because you don't have to be big no you know what i mean yes but that's not the the new space does not have that advantage no it does not it's kind of just it encourages a different kind of performance a very big performer i sometimes wonder if i was on a team there now if i do better because i i i'm i struggle with being too big sometimes me too me too me too but listen it's never not a bad thing to have energy it's not a bad thing but also what i love about you is you are in control of you the mary beth barone vibe is you come to me but the Mary Beth Barone vibe this is what's so stunning

is that it's it's on one it's consistent the entire time there's no like every now and then there'll be like a little flare up it's beautiful it's all intentional it's you're in control of it but I'm just like that takes patience and that takes practice and that takes like discipline and I admire that

thank you it's definitely I've wavered on it in certain moments to be like well I could just be like big and just like tell hacky jokes and have an amazing career you know I think we all I don't know about you guys but I think for me as a woman I could just do the expected and like everything would work out but I've chosen to do me and I don't want to be like oh the way I've chosen is so hard that's not how I feel it's just like sometimes I'm like

oh yeah this is what I chose and this is what I'm doing but I do you know it's been pretty consistent I would say since the beginning

because it's truly like me on stage and off stage are not that different but it's yeah I've definitely found in the last like year

that I've I think I've like hit my sweet spot with performing on stage. And that feels really good. I'm sure I'll get better, of course. But it's, I feel, like, good about where I'm at. Yeah. You've been popping off, I feel.

Thank you. Who do you, like, when you were growing up, like, we'll ask you the actual question. But, like, who were your, like, comedic influences? I'm curious. As a kid? As, like, growing up, like, who were you you like, I feel like something about that is right. Well, I have five older siblings and three brothers, two sisters.

So I feel like I was exposed to a lot of more mature culture as a kid. I mean, I still had my Mary-Kate and Ashley, Spice Girls, Hilary Duff. Those were all points of entry. You had your moment. Yeah, but then, I mean, we always watched a lot of Comedy Central. We watched a lot of Chris Farley movies.

My dad loved comedies. We would listen to like Steve Martin records. We watched, I don't know. We would watch a lot of old SNL. Yeah. Like I think those things were really important as a kid, just absorbing it and not even really knowing that. Yeah.

And then, you know, I i remember and my mom will deny this probably actually she might not but when i was little she was like uh female comedians they just all they do is talk about their periods they're just not funny and i never forgot that because i mean it's just such an insane thought to have but i so now i don't really do period jokes and your mom is eliza schlesinger? Yes. Your mom is Eliza? My mom is Eliza. She looks amazing for her age. Yeah, she looks absolutely incredible.

One thing you can't take away from Eliza. One thing you can't take away. But I did internalize that a little bit. I mean, I never thought comedy could be a career. Right. And there just weren't that many women doing it. You know, you'd see women doing it on SNL. Right.

But I never, I like fell into comedy. I didn't actually, I wasn't like a, I wanted to be an actress or a pop star when I was younger. Of course, one of the two. One of the two. And I didn't care which one because it seemed very glamorous. I still don't care which one. I still want to be an actress or a pop star.

That will happen. And I don't care which one. Either one is fine with me. As someone who's a pop star, I can tell you that it's, it's the same. But then I just was like, it's not realistic. So I didn't even, even I mean I never even saw an improv show when I signed up

for Improv 101 oh great but you just was that just you being like oh I don't willy nilly I'll just do it or was that you being like I'll try this out

like it was just truly like I want a hobby great and then my life took such a sharp left turn because I was like oh this is what I meant to do

after my first open mic which was an open Michelle at UCB Anna Dresden and Sue Smith. Sue Smith! And I remember just like, the feeling I had when I got off stage, I was like, oh, I found it. Wow!

That's great. It was insane. Because before that, it was acting, or that was the track? No, I was working at a tech startup. Oh, great. Wait, which startup? Warby Parker. Warby! I love that. I almost got involved when they didn't give you your eclipse glasses. I almost told the social media team to

reach out to you because I have a lot of friends still there, but I didn't get involved. That's okay. No, please. I walked over to... Remember during the eclipse? Yes. Everyone was giving out those glasses or people were like, the cereal boxes, like whatever. Yeah. But I... You did an I Don't Think So, Honey. I did an I Don don't think so honey that's right and i was i was working down the

street from the warby offices and i went and i gotta say the people i mean they've changed offices but the people at reception at warby some of the some of like the coldest coldest people i've ever met in my life i was just like i got an eye exam there once and they were like i'm sorry you're we'll wait over there because you're standing in the wrong place right now it was like people like really giving me a lot of guff and i was like oh okay anyway there is a huge theme in your in your i don't think so honeys of like you being like wronged by retail i'm telling you there is like if you if you listen back there is like a thread there is a strong thread of Bowen Yang like being wronged by people who like represent retail,

like work for chains, work for brands. Like it is a very present. I'm dismantling capitalism. You are. Leave me alone. One I don't think so honey at a time. Absolutely. Bowen Yang, SNL cast member dismantling capitalism.

Okay. So it was Warby. And then like, but then, and then after that I was just like, okay, I'm on this track. I'm going to do comedy. Yeah, I pretty much blew my life up because I was living with my boyfriend at the time. And we were going to get engaged.

And we had just moved to Gramercy. Wow. And I had a pretty good job. I had actually left Warby to go to a – I started improv at Warby. Then I went to a different startup to be a product manager. You were a product manager? Yeah. Oh, my God.

And then when I was like, the comedy's that comedy's it you know i quit for a month and have a job worked at soul cycle front desk then i had a few other full-time jobs and stuff which soul cycle uh soho soho the one the one when was that that was uh three summers ago so you you might know ariel padilla dave's boyfriend yes i do so yeah great instructor yeah he's, a beloved instructor. And in fact, someone last night even was like, I take Ariel's class and I soul cycle next to, and they pointed to someone who was there. To Lucy Liu.

Yeah. Oh my God. And she would come in. She has not aged a day. No. It is actually beautiful to watch. She's just stunning. She's stunning.

And she's starting to paint these lesbian erotic paintings. What? Did you see this text on the thread last night? No. Lucy Liu is... Oh, yes, I did. I just didn't engage in it. She's painting these abstract, like, lesbian paintings. They're beautiful. And she has a big gallery show and she's gonna sell them. Oh, my God.

I'm here for that. I heard she fucking slays on the bike. Oh, yeah. She rides to the beat every time. Oh, yeah, honey. And then where were you a product manager? Where were you a product manager at? I don't even know if it's still a company. It was like a tampon subscription company.

Great, great. Yeah. Not Lola, though, which is like the one that everyone knows. It was a different one. Got it. And I just was like, wait, this is not what I want to do. Wow. But you were like managing.

You were just like using like Asana and shit and just like slacking. We used Jira, but yeah. Jira. Oh, Jira. What the hell is that? It's this like platform. The worst thing ever.

It's this platform where you like assign projects and you like update statuses of projects. You make everything into tasks and then you move them into different like buckets. This is the opposite of live comedy. No, it is truly the opposite of live comedy. And I was happy that i like had that experience because i made a lot more money at that job than i did at my previous job and i knew that money was not the thing like yeah obviously i love money literally obsessed with it i'm addicted to money i think money is like the best yeah yeah watch it

oh and yes and that movie upset me but it was very good it was a very good film so I just realized in that through that experience like I don't care right now about money because clearly making more of it

is not going to make me enjoy my job more exactly so I just want to do what I want to do beautiful beautiful beautiful beautiful honestly worth it

yeah well worth I mean I have no regrets I've for some reason like I just take these huge leaps in my life, like dropping out of college, moving to New York,

and then doing this comedy stuff. It's like, what? Sometimes I look back and I'm like, I can't believe I did that. But I wouldn't have done it any other way. Where did you go that you dropped out of? Boston College. BC. I very nearly went to BC, actually.

It's such a good school. It's a great school if you're an elitist. If you're an elitist. That's what I always say. So then what compelled you to drop out? I just was studying to be an English teacher, and I didn't want to BC, actually. It's such a good school. It's a great school if you're an elitist. If you're an elitist. That's what I always say. So then what compelled you to drop out? I just was studying to be an English teacher, and I didn't want to do that. Oh, Jesus. Yeah.

So what an expensive place to go to be an English teacher. That's cuckoo. Yeah. If you're studying to be an English teacher at Boston College, drop out. Drop out, yeah. Yeah, no. You can go to a state school or a community college. JK, JK.

No, no, no. Not JK. Not JK. It's insane. You want to dismantle capitalism, we have to start the door right now. You're right, you're right. Start with higher education.

Yes, start with higher education. Truly, do not do that. Go to the factories. Yes, yes. Listen, if you're there, and this has abruptly shocked you, internalize it. Examine it.

Examine it, as Bowen Yang famously says. Ask yourself why. Well, you should examine that ask yourself why if this is true what else is true yes and these are things these are things real culture number 102 these are things

stupid stupid the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back oh my gosh welcome and last season's drama was just the tip City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us? I am disgusted.

Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy. We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I'm Cheryl Swoops,

WNBA champ, three-time Olympian and Basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter, basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman. And on our new podcast, we're talking

about the real obstacles women face day to day. See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women to be at the top of our game. We want to share those stories about balancing work and relationships, motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the s*** we go through. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I, well, we have no problem going there. Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability

for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh.

And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy

and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Cuba. Mr. González wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well.

Listen to Chess Piece, the Elian González story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, wow, how long did you go to BC? Just for two years. Two years is a long time. Yeah. At the midpoint, you're like, I got to decide. I got to go.

Was that rough with the parentals when you dropped out? Well, I'm lucky in being the youngest. My parents are like, we just want our kids to be happy. They're fucking beat down. Yeah, they're like, we're tired. Just do whatever you want. Please. And they had seen their five other kids

like truly like get put through the wringer. Yeah, yeah. And like, you know, my oldest brother pursued being a professional athlete for a while. And that was like, I mean, I think just watching him do that and like take that risk too was good. So they were just really supportive. I mean, they definitely were like worried, but I don't know.

I went to Catholic school for 10 years and that was like in Greenwich, Connecticut. We had one black person in our whole school. And then I went to public high school and that was like a huge culture shock. And I met all these people from different backgrounds. And then when I went to BC, it was like Catholic school all over again.

I just was like, I don't want to be around these people. It's a Jesuit school. You would see the other side. Yeah. And I'm not like, I'm not touting myself as like, oh my God. When I was 20, I was so woke. And I was just like all these white people. But it was so like homogeneous.

And everyone's dad was like a senator or like owned Bacardi. And I was just like, this isn't it. Everyone's dad owned Bacardi. Yeah, truly. like, this isn't it. Everyone's dad owned Bacardi. Yeah, truly. So I just, I said no more. Yeah, it really is. It feels when you're there on campus. I remember I went to the tour.

It is like, you can't stop talking about how beautiful it is. And the cathedrals and blah, blah. It's like, what? And it really is such like a, it's such like a trap for white parents from the suburb. You know what I mean? If you can afford to take your kid there and you go there,

it's so beautiful. And it's so white. It's a good school. In terms of academics, it's a good school too. On top of that. I think it makes some okay boomers feel safe. You know what I mean?

The safest. But I'll tell you what they don't have there. Culture. Culture! I think Amy Poehler made a funny joke about Boston College because she gave some

speech at Harvard. Oh yeah, famous alumna. She goes, I went to Boston College which some say is the Harvard of Boston. I think it's such a funny joke.

That is very good. Bringing it back to UCB. Okay, should we ask Mary about the question? We have actually been floating around the question. We've been floating around it. Now we should actually attack her with it.

I think we should attack her. You ask it. Okay, so Mary Beth Rome, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This was the culture that when you looked out the window, it was the one cloud in the sky and you were like, I see that cloud filling up and it will rain down on me filling up yeah the first culture and whatnot the first culture i saw and

said that was definitely mary-kate and ashley culture oh my god and can you believe it is the very first time we have discussed mary-kate and ashley I mean, well, it was like, it was the perfect storm because I was young when they were playing Michelle on, I mean, I think those might've even been reruns at that point, but my older siblings would watch the show because it was a family comedy. And I was just like, who are these just amazingly talented actresses?

They're playing one character between the two of them. And I'd never seen that before. You never know who you were going to get. It did blow your mind. It did blow your mind. It truly did and I know it's because of child labor laws

so they could get more out of the kids and they didn't have to, I guess, take as many breaks but then, you know, Mary-Kate and Ashley

for me was like, they really came at you from all angles. They had the sleepover series. They had We'll Solve Any Crime by Dinner Time. They had the fan club. They had feature films.

Some went to theaters not a lot of them not a lot of them but then some of them went straight New York Minute and I think It Takes Two was in theaters as well

it absolutely was and It Takes Two is actually very good culture formative and listen so I performed It Takes Two

as a one woman show at the Slipper Room in June what? on the eve of the Olsen twins birthday oh my god that's genius

and it was so much fun but it was the like it was such a passion project for me because I've wanted to do it forever. I know the movie start to finish all the lines anyway but when I was little I used to freak out when my parents would go to dinner like when they would leave me with a babysitter I was just like don't go. I have attachment issues but that's

for another podcast and I remember one night my mom was like well we got you a present it It's a surprise. Like we're, you know, for while we're gone. And I was like, what is it? And she's like, well, who are your favorite

like celebrities? And I was like four and I didn't really know what that meant. But she was like, she gave me the VHS of It Takes Two. So I would watch that movie

to fall asleep. I've probably seen it hundreds and hundreds of times. And it just, for me, they were just it. You know, Mary Kate,ate, Mary-Beth, I felt very connected. Double names. Very that, absolutely. And even though

Ashley was more the fashion one, it just like, I don't know, for me at that age, it was just like, oh my god, this is it. Also, they were very good in that, and I will say there's a couple iconic things about that movie. One, the chemistry between Gutenberg and Kirstie Alley. Unmatched. Listen, we have our thoughts about Kirstie Alley now.

We wish her well on her journey. And we hope that works itself out. Wait, what are you talking about? Well, she's a Scientology star. Oh, right, right, right. And very much so. Very much so. But you can't argue that she is an absolutely iconic

comedic actress. And her and Gutenberg in the water. When his shirt gets stuck to... He's so hot. He's literally so hot. Gutenberg is I would let him crush me. And so, no, I really would to this day. And Kirstie Alley and

them, they were so amazing. The chemistry between them. And also, the iconic... I always love a good white bitch girlfriend oh honey yes she was iconic and when she goes can i have a diet coke with lime with lime vincenzo diet coke coming up with lime i love the delivery of like because you know it's like the actress made the choice like i need to keep my wife with for even longer and she just goes with lime that is masterful and she's at the telescope and that's after the the gum's been spit in her hair

oh my god i'm telling you you need actually it's rule of culture you need a good white bitch girlfriend rule of number rule culture number 33 you need a good white bitch oh. Rule of number, rule of number 33. You need a good white bitch girlfriend. Oh my God. I'm telling you, she was iconic. I wish that she booked more. I do too. And you know, what's fun about that movie is,

and I've said this before, it's the parent trap without the science. Yes. Because they are identical strangers and it is never explained. It's never. Also the line of identical strangers.

And it's like, what? And you just fully accept it. And here's the real tea. They're not identical. They're not. They're fraternalnal which a lot of people don't know and my sister fought me tooth and nail on this and she said i i bet you can't tell them apart she held up a picture held up several pictures and i could tell them apart every time what are the defining differences just in terms of like how the the egg gets fertilized like that's all it is right no that

i understand oh sorry sorry sorry, sorry, sorry. What are the differences? That was the most Bowen Young moment. I was like, what are the differences between Mary-Kate and Ashley? And you were like, well, it's how the egg gets fertilized.

That was iconic. Stupid. No, I'm stupid. No, I'm stupid. You are stupid, white bitch. Yes, what are the differences between them? Well, Ashley's face

is a little longer. Oh. And they have a slightly different nose. Yes. I mean,, Ashley's face is a little longer. Oh. And they have a slightly different nose. Yes. I mean, it's just their faces are slightly different. Yeah. It's very subtle. And when they were 12 or eight or however old they were in that movie,

it wasn't so noticeable. Right. They've since grown into quite different women. How do you feel about them now? How do you feel about them now, how they exist as people? I am just happy that they seem to be as well-adjusted as they possibly can be. Youngest billionaires in the world.

They were when they had their dual-star production company. I know they chain-smoke cigarettes and they both date, like, 50-year-olds. I'm just happy they get through the day. I'm proud of them for getting through the day. For sure. And, you know, I'm actually happy they stuck to their guns and didn't do that Full House reboot.

No, and they have their fashion line, which keeps them busy. And you know, I'm actually happy they stuck to their guns and didn't do that full house reboot. No, and they have their fashion line which keeps them busy and I think that's great. But also, yeah, you're right about, there is something to be said about how,

and yeah, let's just use the term well adjusted. Not that that was a bad, I'm just like, is that the right term? But yeah, that's just like,

I would say, yeah. And to draw a comparison to like, a low hand, it's like, yeah, like that could have gone,

that could have swung so far in a bad direction. Yeah. And they seem to be doing great. They had, one of them, which one of them? They both, one of them had bowls full of cigarettes. At her wedding. At her wedding. Which one was it, Mary-Kate?

I think it was Mary-Kate. She just, like cartons of cigarettes at her wedding. And which one was on weeds? Oh. One of them was on weeds. I remember it was iconic that one of them was doing something without the other. It was probably Mary-Kate. Yeah, yeah, okay. She seems to be the one that goes rogue. Yeah.

But we love her. Are we fans of Elizabeth Olsen? Yes. A thespian. A thespian. I just only recently saw Ingrid Goes West. Oh, very good. I loved thespian. I just only recently saw Ingrid Goes West. Oh, very good. I loved the entire thing. Yeah, it's an incredible movie.

Elizabeth is incredible in it. She's actually iconic in it. Yes. She plays that part of the influencer so well. So well. And makes you actually very fascinating performance. Yes. Because you've seen this, right?

Layered. Layered. Layered. Because you get that she's a little bit of a ridiculous person, but then when you meet her, you're also like... You can't hate her. No, you can't because she's also trying hard and has the same insecurities.

And it's like, as her character gets fleshed out more, even towards the end where she's telling, spoiler alert, where she's telling Aubrey Plaza, this is crazy. You are on her side, but also she is helping create an environment that really traumatizes people that look up to people like her. Right, right, right.

And so I thought that was one of the best movies of the past few years. It was so good, and it was so truthful. Like, the writing, I don't know, everything about it just blew, it stunned me, really, because I didn't know what to expect going into it when I watched it I thought it was that nun movie that Aubrey Plaza

had been in so this was truly different than what I was expecting I'll tell you very different film also Aubrey Plaza that was like I was always like a little bit of an Aubrey Plaza skeptic because I kind of

I'm kind of like hesitant about the kind of like deadpan like thing that she always seemed to do and then as she's grown into an act like an actress capital a i am into it and also she was very good on that fx show the superhero show uh oh um you know the one with the guy from downtown abbey i don't know that one damn it was like uh yeah a... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm forgetting the name, but she essentially played the villain on it. Great. And it's very good. And that's a departure. She gives some varied performances nowadays

and I respect. She could fucking sob like nobody's business in Ingrid Goes Fast. Yeah. That movie was amazing. And also I really liked the way it ended. Me too. So, spoiler alert, but basically Ingrid is trying to become social I really liked the way it ended. Me too. So spoiler alert, but basically like Ingrid is trying to become social media famous in the way that Elizabeth Olsen is social media famous.

Yeah. And Elizabeth Olsen is very much like that sunny girl on the hat. That's like iced coffee today. Iced. Yeah. Iced queen. Never. Or something stupid.

Like I'm happy. And like, and like, she's like kind of like California girl. You know, those girls are like, I'm happy. I'm happy. like and like she's like kind of like california girl you know those girls are like i'm happy i'm fucking bitches yeah these happy fucking bitches but um so basically uh aubrey plaza is very mentally ill and she um there's like an attempt on her own life and she she she posts a video she posts a video and is like um basically kind of becomes like a symbol of like i'm i of like I need help and I'm really struggling.

And she unsuccessfully tries to take her own life, wakes up, sees that she has become like an icon in this way, and her face lights up and you realize like, wow, she hasn't actually changed. It's not a happy ending, I would say. No. It's not necessarily a happy ending. It's a comment, I think. Yes. On the deep sickness uh that we all have when it comes to social media some more than others but

fascinating movie i thought very timely like i would i would even say like really missed like a screenplay nomination absolutely and just like it did not get the praise i mean there were there have been i feel this way about like a handful of movies over the last few years but that movie specifically just did not get the play it deserved. It's not a Mean Girls, but it should have the icon status of a movie that truly defines our time. For me, it feels like the earliest, not the earliest, but one of the bigger artistic statements about this generation and social media, just the way that people relate to it. I think it got something so, so right. Well, that production company, Neon,

they're starting to pop off. And I think it was one of their first things. And I think as that production company and whoever's working there is obviously finding really interesting scripts and really producing great stuff. It feels like they'll start to pop off even more. I believe that year they also did that 20th Century Women.

And they did I, Tonya. Yeah, and I, Tonya. And they're telling female stories. start to pop off even more i believe that year they also did that 20th century women yeah and i tanya so they they and they're telling female stories and you know i think a large reason why maybe ingrid goes west didn't get the attention that that maybe should have is because it's about young women and it's about social media which i think people are a little bit hesitant to roll their eyes yeah yeah yeah and they think, we can't necessarily take this seriously. But I mean, then again, you have the social network, which I think is one of the movies people took the most seriously over the last 10 years.

And when I saw it, I was like very taken with it. And now with what Facebook has become and the narrative now, it's so interesting. I almost would like to see not Aaron Sorkin do this, but some sort of sequel to that. Maybe, yeah. Because, I mean, the narrative of Facebook now would like to see not aaron sorkin do this but some sort of sequel to that maybe because i mean it's the narrative of facebook now has completely changed and morphed from what it was when that

movie came right um but the olsens the breath the olsens so you do you identify with mary kate more you would say i guess like they both well because they're gemini's i'm a gemini that was always a huge deal for me as well. I feel like, I don't know. I think I have like shades of both. But it was really, I think it was good to grow up as a young girl in the early 90s because there were so many like powerful, iconic women at that time. Like I didn't know as a kid that like women were still struggling. You know what I mean?

I was like, oh, everything's fixed. Like there's no issues. I didn't have that like consciousness till I grew up a little bit more. But it was like, oh, everything's fixed. Like there's no issues. I didn't have that like consciousness till I grew up a little bit more, but it was like, you had the Spice Girls. Britney Spears was huge. Like Christina Aguilera, even like the Jessica Simpsons, Mandy Moore's,

that whole moment was like as I was growing up. And I think that even also like, I love the 80s, 90s, 70s. When I would watch that, it gave such a nice taste of like culture's past. But like in a frivolous way that like didn't really underline. Low stakes. Low stakes. when I would watch that it gave such a nice taste of like culture's past but like in a frivolous way that like

didn't really underline low stakes yeah so that was huge also I mean VH1 I feel like for some reason was like

very influential in my cultural knowledge as a kid me too absolutely were you not allowed to watch MTV not allowed to watch MTV

me too I was not allowed to watch MTV because for some reason every time it was on I think my it was like

the sexual stuff or like dating shows were always on my mom was like you are not watching this so she would turn on vh she's like you can watch vh1 yeah which i don't know how if you feel this way but i think that it was just as sexual it was just like more mature and more like underhanded yeah right so it was like instead of like instead of like close-up shots of like britney spears's crotch it was like, instead of like, instead of like closeup shots of like Britney Spears, his crotch, it was like Shania Twain wrapped up in like a wool sheet on the, like,

and like watching a man in like a black and white video, like sort of approach her on the beach. And I was like, this is just as erotic. Right. I remember VH1 in this, uh, what's that song?

The first song that Maroon 5 came out with this love, harder to breathe. And then this love, this love, the video and then this love this love the video on bh1 they they censored it on mtv they did not wow that was a i don't know about you but that adam levine was actually a sexual awakening for me at that time that video it's one of he's that video goes there it really goes there i mean he's on top of her he looks at the camera and says keep her coming every night and they're literally having sex yeah and literally he was on top of her he was i love like a like fucking skinny like like

the kind of like like he was so like like i'm in a band thin at that time and he had like his like long hair and he was like he looked older than than he does now i'll say and he rolled over on top of this like model and looked into the camera and said keep her coming every night and i was just like this is this is a lot this is sex this is sex yeah there's no choice do you think like what can you think before this the this love video of like well i get this i remember the very first time i heard the song harder to breathe and i was like what is this this guy's voice is great. I,

we were, I remember I was driving home from a baseball tournament from upstate New York. And we were like, I remember it was like, we were winding through like, it's so visceral. Yeah.

We were like winding through, um, these like sort of roads and like Cooperstown, New York. Cause it's very hilly and harder to breathe came on. And I was like, is this Justin Timberlake? I remember I thought it was Justin Timberlake, but but i was like there's some other quality about this voice i

haven't heard before and i was like remembering i remember i wrote down the words harder to breathe because i figured that was the name of the song because at that time it was like there was no like and then did you go to a to z lyrics.com yes i definitely looked it up on my like family's computer like it's so weird to think about how, how far the technology has come then. Like this is still around the time where you had to like really search for a song you loved if you wanted to hear it. But I remember that song was just like so incredible. And then this love,

I was like, wow. And then she will be loved like Sunday morning. Songs about Jane. That's very good work. Yeah. And the second album, uh,

what is it? Won't be is it won't be soon before long yeah really fucking good i i actually i have to say like i know they're a joke but i'm i love maroon five so do i oh i love i mean i i'm not even ashamed of it and you know what i like cold play while we're at it come on sorry give it to us cold play cold play i will say i saw maroon five i saw maroon five in the counting Counting Crows in a concert once. I've literally tried to go see other bands and as a result have seen the Counting Crows three times because they've always been on bills. That's crazy. I've seen Goo Goo Dolls and they played with Counting Crows.

And I've seen Maroon 5 and they played with Counting Crows. And both times, the Counting Crows were obviously the main. And it was mostly straight guys and always at Jones beach. Always at Jones beach. And literally the opening act for maroon five and counting crows was someone I was so annoyed to see at the time who I'm now a huge fan of Sarah Bareilles. Wow. And I remember me and my friend Allison were like in the back,

like of Jones beach, like, Oh, when is this bitch going to stop singing? Like stop, stop with the love song. It's so annoying. It annoying it's so played out yeah and now it's like i stan sarah borrellas like oh my god things change and now it's like she would obviously headline that show yeah yeah there are worse bands though to like be like trojan horse for sure for sure but i remember

they didn't play long december everyone was like, what the fuck? Adam Duritz was like, all right, good night. And then it was just like, it was like they didn't play their number one song and everyone was really mad. To watch these straight men get their dicks off because they weren't going to hear Long December was-

By the Counting Crows. By the Counting Crows. By White Man with Dreadlocks. Yeah. By White Man with Dreadlocks. Absolutely. Wait, I'm really curious to know this about Mary Beth. Let's just give you a few things. Yeah. By a white man with dreadlocks. Absolutely. Wait, I let's, I'm really curious to know this about Mary Beth.

Um, let's just give you, let's just give you a few things. Yeah. Let's give you Olsen twins, Lindsay Lohan, Hillary Duff. And then like,

who else? I just want like, not a ranking, but like just like a quick little assessment. And did you also love Raven? I was a Raven fan. Well, I watched all those.

I mean, I, I mean, this is, I watched the Cosby show. So another huge part of culture for me was Nick at night. Cause I, I love Lucy was on and that became my absolute favorite show.

My obsession for holidays. When my relatives would get me presents, it was always like, I love Lucy themed. I would have the VHS of like best episodes. I mean, I like stand that show so hard. My phone's name is Lucille McGillicuddy.

And that will be my alias when I have to like make hotel reservations. When I'm famous. Yes. My phone's name is Lucille McGillicuddy and that will be my alias when I have to like make hotel reservations when I'm famous. So it's like, I don't know. Nick at Night was so like integral and I watched the Cosby show and there was All in the Family, The Jeffersons,

like all shows that are- Three's Company was on. Oh my God. And that show. I was in Nick at Night stand too. And you know what? Gen Z has completely lost. I love Lucy.

It's very sad. It's sad because that show, and if you watch watch it again the fact that they were able to make so many episodes in a studio with four main characters and every single episode is so different and the hijinks of it all it's just like some episodes are a little maybe problematic but she had so much agency on that show yeah she was she was an icon and she owned that production company with Desi and they basically like were pioneers of the television industry. Desilu, yeah.

Desilu? I mean, also, I think one of, if not the best physical comedian of all time. Oh, yeah. So that's when I met Raven-Symoné for the first time

was on As Rue Rudy. Yes. Or what? Rudy was played by... Damn. We know. We know this. I just blacked out. What was Raven's... I know. I know. or what oh Rudy was played by um damn we know we know this I just

I just blacked out what was Raven's I know I know I forget her name on the show um but so cute and she was always wearing

a little like um jumpsuit you know and just made funny like quips yeah to Bill Cosby I have to

I have to find out who played Rudy she was in Dr. Doodle 2 remember that I was like I was obsessed with Raven. I saw Raven at the Beverly Center not three weeks ago.

Keisha Knight Pulliam. Thank you. Yes, of course. It's actually, she's like, it's rule of culture number 10. Keisha Knight Pulliam. Thank you. She's still working. She's still doing stuff.

She's out there. I think she was on a reality show recently. Yeah, she was on Big Brother or something. Yeah. Still got any work still got any work we'd love to see it yeah

but yeah it's this thing now where it's like there's no I don't know it's harder for somehow it's harder for Gen Z to access those things

because they're not being it's not being curated for them well there's too much yeah and it's like on Hulu I mean I'm thankful it's on Hulu

because I know where to find it but as someone who is like 14 right now and like a black and white show with like an audience Why the fuck would I watch that? But if you're listening to this and you're Gen Z I just

urge you to watch it start to finish. There's not a dull moment. It's so good. So many iconic episodes. Oh absolutely I mean Vida Vida Vegeman. Vida Vida Vegeman I memorized that whole monologue and I wanted my mom to film me doing it in her kitchen and I got so nervous when she brought the camera out that I could not physically get the words out.

But like when I think back on my like early days, there were a lot of like things that pointed to where I'm at now. But I just didn't know at the time. Right. Yeah, for sure. I just didn't realize. Totally. Also, never forget the conveyor belt with the chocolates. Oh, I mean.

Grapes, something. Truly so many good things. Yeah. And I learned what a counterfeit was from that show because remember like when she accidentally pays with a counterfeit bill

and she gets like arrested. Oh, it's so great. So amazing. There are two beds. Two beds that they pushed together for the first time in TV history. They shared a bed. A couple had never shared a bed

and a woman had never been pregnant on TV. Yes, and that was iconic too when they dealt with the fact that she had the baby yeah right but they never discussed sex

or anything obviously the episode I almost have chills thinking about the episode where she tells Ricky she's pregnant and he sings this song we're having a baby

at the Tropicana yeah yeah yeah oh my god and it's that episode I don't think it's on Hulu but it's so goddamn good wow yeah no

and also they were classic chemistry too. I mean that was power couple. Like one of the first like entertainment power couples you can think of on camera.

You know this is actually so weird that we're talking about this because I just took my parents were in town in LA and they wanted to do the Paramount Studio Tour so we did that

and they talked all about how they Desilu the production company like also produced star trek i mean yeah like they were responsible for so much and then when they divorced um lucy sold the company and those it became something else but how how much money she got from that and she continued to produce and like she was like an icon and to also be that businesswoman and icon and businesswoman at the time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like to be taken so seriously probably had something to do with no one could do what she did on camera. Yeah. Just, I mean, you could not argue with her sheer talent. You could not replace that.

No. Her in that role or with anything she did. Like Mame, she played fucking Mame. Yeah. You know? Well, she did. And she had so many great movies before the show. Right.

And gorgeous. I mean, just like we worship. Beautiful. She was a silent film actress. Right, right. That's how she started. And she started like doing silent dramatic film acting. And I think, you know, it's just so interesting

that there really wasn't like a comedy, female comedy star before her. Or if there were, like it was more of a vaudeville moment. Right, right, right.

I guess back in the day, day, day, like the Fanny Bryces of it all. Right. But I mean... Well, speaking of that, one thing I'm excited to see

for culture, one thing I'm excited for this to happen in the culture is for there to be the first gay male stand-up that really is like just just the biggest name in comedy right at the time like i feel like amy schumer had it for women for a little bit and i'm just waiting for the first gay male stand-up to just like bust through the ceiling yeah i mean i

think that everyone there there are some people making plays for it. Yeah, for sure. You know, it's so interesting, and I was thinking about, like, this is so weird, but I was thinking about how, like, Buttigieg is doing very well in Iowa. Right. You know what I mean?

And he may even win the Iowa caucus. And I was thinking to myself, like, I just never, I still don't really trust it. Like, whenever anyone really gets behind a gay man, I'm like, are you going to like hurt us later? Like it feels like a trick. Like my like high school mentality comes back where it's like,

at what point do you, am I going to get made fun of? It's almost like, so whenever there's like, and I'm happy that it's happening. Like it feels like there's like, it's definitely more people, gay people occupying the mainstream,

but I'm always just like, I guess we're of that last generation where it's like, I'm side-eyeing it a little bit. It feels like there's definitely more gay people occupying the mainstream. But I'm always just like, I guess we're of that last generation where it's like, I'm side-eyeing it a little bit. Of course. You know what I mean? And I feel like Gen Z doesn't necessarily... They don't have those hang-ups. They don't have that because I think they're growing up in an easier world for the most part in terms of acceptance of that. But it's interesting that you say that because I've thought, who will be that first huge marquee male gay comedy star? There's definitely lots of names that come to mind.

There are some candidates, darling. I mean, I think it's great that Billy is going to be in that romantic comedy. It's going to be produced by Judd Apatow. I think that's great. He's not as much of a stand-up. Sure. You're talking specifically stand-up. Sure. Right. Stand. You're talking specifically standup.

Yeah. I'll fucking name names. Name names. I feel like Jaboukie is like the bridge between Gen Z and millennials. And like, he is able to like, just turn out like fucking hits every single day. He's a star.

He's a, he's a damn star. Yeah. I feel like he is like pushing a lot of stuff forward. I guess, and I don't want to be like, I'm not totally predicting or anything. I'm just saying he's like phenomenal.

I guess like I'm not, I'm trying not to be reductive when I say this, but sometimes it's like when you see standups talk, and I think what, what I really relate to in a standup is when they talk so openly and emotionally raw about their life, you know what I mean? And that,

that includes their sex life. That obviously includes their love life dating life uh social engagement with other with the relationships our friends um i i wonder if like if people really saw a gay male like pop off about gay sex and you see i mean like for example joely like he is very honest about like his i mean unabashedly and his twitter is what it is unflappable you know what i mean like for example joely like he is very honest about like his i mean unabashedly and his twitter is what it is unflappable you know what i mean like and even though he's like you know on tv now and like he's doing his thing like his he does not compromise his comedy at all and his point of view at all and i'm like i i really am curious about like when everyone does that yeah like which which is happening more and more,

like how the mainstream is going to respond to that and whether or not they'll push us up or be like, cool. Yeah. And we feel like you're occupying enough space and now we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll watch our bill burr video.

Cause you know, what's going to happen is right. I hope, I think what's, what I hope is going to happen is I watched, I fucking watched Richard Pryor again for the first time in a while. And like, just like otherworldly,

like you're like, what? Like everyone is just like, like just eating out of the palm of his fucking hand. And it's like best of all time, best of all time. Like there's going to be like something like that. I think,

I think that's probably what you're talking about. Mary Beth is like, someone is going to come or maybe they're already here where it it's just like they're going to light themselves on fire. They're going to do something that's going to get people – that's going to make people go crazy. And they're going to be – in a good way. They're like, wow, this is something we've never seen before, and this is huge, and this is – yeah. Also, I think like – the way I think about it is like gay men and young women I think have the spending power right now like they're the people

that are going out to see these things they're the people that are like buying merch not even to think about it in such like productive terms but it's like at a very basic level

I think if there is one person that kind of rises it will the people that matter whose opinions matter will will like propel that person forward

for sure I think the only thing I see in in that would be tough and I don't want to make like a comment on gay culture is like will like propel that person forward. I think the only thing I see in, in that would be tough. And I don't want to make like a comment on gay culture is like, just not having them taken down from within. You know what I mean? I feel like that's what I see is people canceling each other.

And it's like, well, let's just, let's just get this going. Let's not be our own like biggest blocker. It's, it's like with everything. I mean, let's not be our own like biggest blocker that's not it's it's like with everything i mean let's not eat it before it happens yeah and i think you are 100 right to say that because for a long time and i think this obviously with women as well you know what i mean

oh my god you see it you see it especially in every in every field you see it especially i mean never more than with black female rappers yes what we do to them you know what i mean and what and what i'm you know they do to each other because we all exist in a space where there historically has not been room for more than one and so when it looks like that space is going to be taken what happens to you inside is you get you go into attack mode um it's this myth of there not being enough space, though. I'm going to quote Tina. Tina writes about this in Bossy Pants. Yeah, she does.

She talks about women talking in terms of competing with other women. It's like, no, you're not in competition with women. You're in competition with everybody, which I know sounds like a very lazy way of, a simplified way of thinking about it, but it really is what that is because you're in competition with people who are feeding us the line of, well, there's not enough room. Think it really is what that is because you're in competition with people who are parroting who are feeding us the line of well there's not enough room like who think about

who is saying that well i would agree but i also i think like we cannot ignore the reality that like the people that are making decisions they do have a mentality of well we have one you know what i mean or they have they have had that mentality and so it's something that i'm so happy that like we are talking about because once that gets vocalized, you know, it's not acceptable. Right. And so now that it's like out there in public knowledge that it's not acceptable and we know there's so much talent. Yeah. There now is fully no excuse.

Fully no excuse. So we shouldn't feed into that mentality as well. And that's where I think. Yes. Like we should 100% get behind what she's saying. Bitch, here's what I'm going to say. And I don't feel uncomfortable saying this. Joel and I were on fucking Molly on Fire Island,

and we both looked in each other's eyes and said, I'm so fucking happy that we're both, this is happening for both of us together. Yeah. Because this just disproves that whole myth entirely. That there's only room for one gay, cis, Asian male comedian to succeed. That is so, that is patently false.

I mean, it's definitely speaks volumes that, I mean, even on NBC, there's you, there's Nico, and there's Joel. Well, rest in peace,

sunny side on NBC, but now it's on Hulu, but the, the fact that it still stands, you know what I mean? That network had several, three queer Asian people on the same network, network. And, and you know what? That's, it's, it wouldn? That network had several. Three queer Asian people on the same network. And you know what?

It wouldn't have been several years ago. And guess what? NBC is still standing. You know what I mean? The network is not torn down. It remains. And that is just further proof that it is possible in this climate. I mean, it's an exciting time to come up

because I think people are getting more aware of the self-ssabotage that we have, that we do like in our little pockets and communities. But it's also, you know, and then there's more opportunity than ever. There's more streaming platforms, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I'm just excited to see the real shift happen because there's a lot of talking about it. And I think it's just like, okay, I'm ready. Yeah. yeah you know what fucking makes me so happy is that when dave and i are booking like game show it often is harder to think of contestants that are the straight men to come on the show than it is to book the woman who gets it or the wise queer like the which are the lifelines yeah

because two straight men compete with each other to be honorably gay as fuck they each have a lifeline you both have been incredible on the show the woman who gets it and the wise queer and it's like there's so many i think it's probably because that we're in the bubbles that we're in we know so many people that are just happen to be you know diverse like in terms of like they're not just like white straight dudes but it's it was so fun when we were booking and you're not even limiting it right you're not even limiting to white straight dudes though no no no but i mean like it's like that they occupied such a space for such a long time that it's like it's sometimes make

thrills me it's exciting we have on people it's like a sea of people that you want on the show in those roles as opposed to like the people that you're you know kind of poking fun at yeah yeah it's important to say that it's not endangering their livelihoods at all it's not endangering their shots oh no it's like it's just it's just it's just better say that it's not endangering their livelihoods at all. It's not endangering their shots at a career.

It's just better balanced. That's all it is. It is not displacing someone else's opportunity. No, no, no, yeah. Because this is the other thing that's being sort of touted around in terms of diversity conversations and entertainment now is that they're like, well, I didn't get that staffing job because they had a diversity

hire or something like that. You look at the numbers now, it hasn't actually changed that much. Hasn't changed that much. So you saying I didn't get that job because I wasn't diverse is parroting a line that someone else fed you because it's better, it's less embarrassing than to say I didn't get it because I wasn't good enough. Yeah. And honestly,

and maybe you, and I'm sure you are good enough, but it's also like, then keep realizing your talent and what you have to offer for the next thing. That's all it is. It's just so stupid to say I didn't get a job for that reason. Like, like we're all in this industry.

We all don't get jobs all the fucking time. Every day. Literally every day. And so it's just like boring. You know, it's, that's what it is. It's a boring thing to say.

It's just not true. It's not true. It's boring. It's just, it's, it's stupid. Anyway. Yeah.

And also it's like, there's a lot of course correction to be done. So even if it is true, still fuck you. Like, you just, you weren't the it you weren't the you weren't the best candidate that's fine regardless of what their like requirements were

you were not the best candidate and that's it and also shit gets around and also if good luck to you if you're the one saying well i didn't get it because of this reason because guess what if you say that to me i i i don't i'm telling other people i'm like other people I'm gonna be like Oh god Like Hearing that people say that Is just so Don't say that It's just so embarrassing Yeah

For them Clowning on yourself I wanna talk about What you've learned about fuckboys Okay With Draggy Dash Yeah What have your findings been

Because I keep thinking about this One Whatever What are like generalizations You can make about Behaviors I would say Well so when you're Trying to identify a fuck boy there's definitely red flags but what what the biggest lesson i've learned is that a fuck boy can look like anything yes you really

don't know because they there are definitely there's the you know the way it's packaged by popular culture which is wearing joggers they have a big watch they vape they they dm you they have red receipts on whatever but there's like's like, you know, I went home with a 40-year-old woman from the cubbyhole. Yeah. She was a fuckboy? She was a fuckboy. And the lesson there was if they're wearing a fedora, it doesn't matter if they're male or female. Yeah.

You've got to just stay away. Yeah. So that's one thing. Yes. And then I think what I've learned from talking to them and having like very deep conversations is that everyone is damaged in their own way. And it's just who, how you choose to like take it out on other people, I would say, is like, you know, a lot of these guys, they want to find love and they want to be happy.

But I think so. Another way I've been thinking about it is like dating is a two-party system. And much like our other two- party system, it's broken. Yes. And no one on either side of the aisle is having fun. Wow. And we really need to like bridge the gap because it's not like the fuck boys aren't having fun and the people who are getting hurt by them are not having fun.

And dating should be fun. Don't you remember when having a crush on someone was fun? Like the amount of stress and tension I feel in my bones. I did a show a couple weeks ago and and I had plans with a guy after, and I was so tense that he was going to cancel. I forgot my – I forgot the second joke after my opener. Oh, my God. I was, like, so in my head about it.

Oh. And it was just like, why is – it shouldn't be this way. Right. It should not be this way. No, it should be fun. You're right. And it's upsetting to me, and I sent out this survey to, you know, I put on Instagram and Twitter and a bunch of people took it.

And it was like, you know, I forget if it was like 80%, 83% of people do not think that the current climate is conducive to finding a good partner in the next one to three years. Wow. But 53% of people are optimistic that they will meet the right person in the next one to three years. So the optimism is there. Right. But it's like, if you keep just beating people down it's it's we're gonna lose that and that makes

me sad so i think you know fuck boy culture it's very amorphous it's not it's not one thing and i think you know i'm just curious to see i think things will get worse before they get better but i i want to help things get better you You put out the survey yourself? Yeah. That is a genius way of just splitting that circumstance. Explain the premise of Drag His Ass to everyone who might not know. Sure. So Drag His Ass,

it's called Drag His Ass, a fuckboy treatment program. And I started the show because I was really sick of my dating habits, hooking up with fuckboys, getting ghosted, getting screwed over. So I started keeping track of the number of days I'd been fuckboy free on like a whiteboard in my apartment.

I would post that on social media. Everyone was like, you know, very encouraging and supportive. So I decided to do a show where I invite other comedians to come on and talk about their experiences with fuckboys. And I talk about my six-step treatment program as a fuckboy addict. And relapse is step number three because it's going to happen. Wow. You built that in. I built that in. a fuckboy addict and relapse is step number three because it's going to happen wow you built that in I built that in

so after the first show was really fun at Union Hall I moved it to Chelsea Music Hall and I did the first fuckboy redemption with Carl Radke of Summer House and I

basically it's like I met with him before we did like a pre-interview and then I structured like an interview a live interview where we talk about his wrongdoings

why he is that way, and then kind of have him pledge to be better, to like take the path of righteousness or whatever. And we have Benito Skinner come out dressed as Jesus to baptize him with girls' tears. So I've been doing that now at every show as the last segment. It's been a lot of fun, but it's also been very eyeopening to hear men who are truly self-aware and they understand what they're doing is wrong but like i did this guy uh i did a redemption with this guy and he was just a normie he like works in marketing or something but he told me that he wasn't he is in love with someone but when he became monogamous with her he his identity is so rooted in having sex with people

and pursuing women he lost his sense of self and had an existential crisis oh my god wow and it's like for him to even be able to have the awareness like verbalize that to me and then know that he can't overcome that was like i mean it was just like heartbreaking yeah but also like give you hope no it gave me hope in some ways that at least he could but the thing that scares me is these guys who've now been doing this for a decade in their mid-30s. Where do you go from here? I don't know. It's really –

Are you too far deep into that? I don't know. I mean, he actually messaged me a couple months later and said, I just wanted you to know I ended things with two women before sleeping with them because I knew there was no future. Which, like, that to me, if I can help two women with my show, I feel my job is done here. Absolutely. to me if i can help two women with my show i feel my job is done here absolutely uh and it's it's really interesting to watch the audience of the show change from like 90 women to like 80 women and gay men and then now they're straight guys kind of feeling like they have a point of entry

which is good and a lot of straight guys i think are very scared about the idea of it like my roommate's friend invited his other straight friends and the text responses were like I don't want to go like I'm sure there's a lot of bad dudes but I don't want to be lumped in just because

I'm a straight white guy and another guy was like I don't want to get me too'd like they just some people are not ready to face it yet sure

but the ones that are we invite you in and I think we'll all be better as a result that is that's kind of my whole thing I'm fascinated

by all of this yeah honestly and so the women also have the space there like to like do they is there a confrontation or so the one redemption i well so it's it's a lineup of other comedians they kind of like go off about either one fuck boy or they do stand up about fuck boys or whatever it is this show was nice because in the survey i asked for a wild dating story. So I was able to like review some of those, which were blue. Again, blue.

I keep saying it. Blew my mind. My mind gets blown on a daily basis. Since I started doing comedy, truly. And it was so, I think it's very healing just to know that other people like go through this. And I will say at the last show,

this guy who ghosted me, his girlfriend was in the front row, which I don't even know if she knows that that happened, but it was very like, she's been, they've come to the exhibition a few times. Cause he knows Michael Caine or whatever. I'm saying too much.

I hope, I hope she does listen, but I also hope she doesn't hear this, but I don't want her to know that, you know, he goes to me, whatever. But it was just kind of crazy to see that like full circle this guy who ghosted me two years ago after we had sex and

now his girlfriend's in the front row at my show yeah like that's what i want to happen yeah but it's just kind of crazy to see it's crazy when you um date someone and have certain experiences with them and then you see them with someone else it's like of course of course that thing is that thing inside you of like i'm a little salty towards that person for really no reason when you examine it but also it's like i wonder if they're dealing with the same stuff or if i just wasn't it or if i just wasn't it or if um they're just better at dealing with certain things that i am or maybe they're just it's just it's very weird to see someone that you had sex with or

dated or were serious with or not very just deal or really make it work with someone else. It's fascinating. And that is the premise of the song Cool by Gwen Stefani. A classic. Speaking of female icons in the 90s. I mean beyond.

How do we feel before we go into I Don, beyond. Now, how do we feel? Before we go into I Don't Think So, Honey, how do we feel about Gwen right now? Well, I think she's in like a weird sunken place. I think she's in developmental hell. She's in development hell right now. They're figuring it out.

They're trying to get the reboot done. They're trying to get and it's not working. You know, the thing is they do have the money. The money is not the issue, but they're creatively trying to figure out Gwen Stefani.

Damn. 50 years old, looking amazing, but what's she doing? I don't know. We don't know. It's not for me to say. You know who just turned 52? Who looks unbelievable?

J-Lo. Jennifer Lopez. I mean, no, no, no. Julia Roberts. Oh my God. Julia Roberts. It's like, for me, like one of the,

speaking of the 90s. The all-time greats. One of the all-time greats. That mouth, that width on that mouth. And I just want to say publicly, on the record, I support Gwyneth Paltrow. Just want to say that. I support Gwyneth Paltrow, too.

I think she's amazing. I think that what you can never forget about Gwyneth Paltrow is that she's incredibly talented. Incredibly talented. And you'll see that in the politician, too, as well. She can turn some scenes in that. Absolutely.

She works with the wigs that she is given. Yep. And she does the best that she can. Absolutely. And that with the wigs that she is given and she does the best that she can. Absolutely. That's what's on her head and in her eyes is what matters.

That's what matters. And also TBH. TBH? That is an Oscar that is well deserved and a lot of people say Shakespeare in Love? Yes.

A lot of people say that Cate Blanchett should have won for playing Queen Elizabeth but she's got two. She's got two. And at the time, I'm sorry, but Gwyneth was Gwyneth. And that last scene where they say goodbye to each other

is truly romance movie canon. So thank you, Harvey Weinstein. Write me well. Oh, shit. And that's really the thesis of this episode. Yeah, the thesis of this episode. Title of ep. Thank you, Harvey Weinstein.

Jesus. Okay, and we've never more aptly moved into I Don't Think So, Honey. So basically, if you don't know anything about this show, Las Culturistas, or its segment, I Don't Think So, Honey, I Don't Think So, Honey is a segment where we take one

minute to absolutely go off on something in culture that is plugging us, bothering us, biting our our asses nipping us in the heels and we don't like it we need to be dressed down publicly um I do have something great I do have something okay um this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey as time starts now I don't think so honey the Scooby-Doo movie that they're making yeah um it has gina rodriguez as velma which i do not stand at all edward i can't find my glasses yeah honestly oh my god i don't i do think so honey what you just said i don't think so honey scooby-doo the movie it has zach efron animated as the hot one which like very first thought y'all. I don't think we necessarily

need Scooby-Doo the movie. I feel like let's get I Love Lucy back on screen before we have Scooby-Doo the movie. Also, they did a Scooby-Doo reboot with Sarah Michelle Gellar and Freddie Prinze Jr., which can't be erased.

We have to see that. Linda Cardellini. Also, Linda Cardellini is the iconic Velma of our time. If it's not going to be an animated Velma, it should be Linda Cardellini. I don't think so, honey.

Otherwise. Also, never forget Alicia Silverstone in a small role. Also, I don't think so, honey. Scooby-Doo. Will Forte is playing Shaggy, which I kind of like. I like Scooby-Doo as a cartoon. I don't think so, honey. This new movie.

And that's one minute. Thank you so much. That's absolutely correct. I just don't think so, honey. Who's playing Daphne again On this Daphne is Oh god

Hold on But truly Sarah Michelle Gellar And Freddie SMG and Freddie Prinze I'm finding out right now One of the hottest couples For all time

And yeah I mean they were They nailed it the first two times Oh my god I just googled Scooby Doo movie And it said Scooby Doo in film Scooby Doo in film Wait hold on I want to-Doo in film. Scooby-Doo in film. Wait, hold on.

I want to tell you who's Daphne. Isn't the movie called Scoob or something? It's called Scoob, which I really don't like. Where did they focus group that? Okay, so. Wait. Also, I know that Daphne was announced. She was.

Yeah. Now this movie is like. Wait, why am I blanking on who Daphne is? We have to get to the bottom of this. But also while you're searching for this, I was just, I was going to bring this up earlier. she was yeah now this movie is like wait why am i blinking on who daphne is where we're so we have to get to the bottom of this but also while you're searching for this i was just i was gonna bring this up earlier they should do some lucille ball biopic did they do that already no and you know who should play her i i know who should now i forget who it is but i've always had amanda say freed is playing daphne oh right that's right who cares who should play her i don't remember now

who i've always been thinking you should play her, but I feel like they announced one and then it never happened. Maybe like Cate Blanchett was supposed to play her. Oh my God. Lucille Ball. Maybe I made that up. Maybe that was a dream I had. I don't actually know. Oh my God.

Sophie Turner. Sophie Turner as Lucille Ball in Lucille. I don't mean to laugh because I do like Sophie Turner. And the thing is Lucille Ball in Lucille the thing is I don't mean to laugh because I do like Sophie Turner and the thing is she is kind of funny

I do think that sometimes in interviews I'm kind of down for her and she Hooli and I went to go see Dark Phoenix we were like this is gonna suck

and she kind of sold it and made it work I mean it wasn't a great movie but we were entertained I watched someone watch it on a plane and I was like

this movie looks psycho I've done that I did that with the Charlize Theron Seth Rogen movie I watched someone watch it on a plane and I was like this movie looks I've done that I did that with the Charlize Theron Seth Rogen movie I watched someone watch it I liked that movie and I liked it a lot and turned to my left and everyone I was with fucking hated it

but Seth Rogen does come on his own face you see that in the film he comes on his own face which is like do we need that it's a plot device. It's a plot device. It's a huge plot point. Why?

Does he get his face pregnant? He like, he's recorded, like, he like records himself jerking off. And then like, that becomes like a big point of Blackmail. Oh, God. She'll at least stand around the Secretary of State and she's running for president. Sure. And so, they start dating and everyone's like, ew, she's dating this like, kind of gross guy. Blogger. No, they don't know that. Oh, no, they do find that out. Blogger? He's a blogger, yeah. um so so they start dating and everyone's like oh she's dating this like kind of gross guy

no they don't know that oh no they do find that out he's a blogger yeah and then he's like a gawker like journalist yeah and so like he gets the video of him coming on his own face like is gonna get released and like fine release it whatever and then she bravely is like i'm dating him anyway and then she becomes president and he becomes the first gentleman and despite coming on his face publicly and i liked the movie i thought it was very broad And then she becomes president and he becomes the first gentleman. And despite coming on his face publicly. And I liked the movie. I thought it was very broad. She,

she was great. And I, I, I love Charlize. We love Charlize. Um, okay, here we go.

This is your, this is my own. I don't think so, honey. And let me tell you something about his time. It starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Places should sell stew. There should be more places that sell beef stew because it's my favorite food in the world, especially this time of year. I want stew every day. I want chuck roast, stewed down to a nice velvety texture. I want carrots, peas, celery potatoes, bitch

leave the skin on, skin off, I don't care I want a soupy, no not soup I want stew with a tomato and red wine base and you can't tell me nothing you gotta sell it, the only place I know that sells beef stew in New York City year round is the Essen on Varick.

And I want to say Spring. Yes, thank you, Mary Beth. We worked around that area, absolutely. And bitch, if you are not brave enough to sell stew at a restaurant, then you are cowards. And I will call Michelin myself and have them take away your damn stars. And that's one minute. That was iconically you. Because there's no one who will shit out that stew faster.

I've never. And with more of a liquid consistency. The hail you're willing to die on. More stew. More stew. I love that. Can you tell we've done nearly 170 of these that we might be running out of things to say?

Because I don't think so, honey. People should sell more stew. More stew. Is it on this day this day honey that's culture yeah that's culturally culture actually it's filed under culture

it's filed under culture we got a little bit of a we got a little bit of a preview of Mary Beth's I don't think so honey and I think this is going to be A iconic B controversial

I just want to say that Siri just picked up me saying because you there's no one who is shit out that's the war, and it was more of a liquid consistency. Wait, hold on.

And Siri has responded, I don't know how to respond to that. Wait, wait. Oh, I want to take a picture. Oh, shit, shit, shit. It's gone now. It's okay. You idiot.

I'm so stupid and foolish. All right. Okay. This is going to be controversial. Controversial. But I'm very excited. We have a little bit of a controversial I don't think so, honey, happening.

But I think we are all gonna be on board by the end I really do this is Mary Beth Barones I don't think so honey our time starts now I don't think so honey RuPaul's Drag Race

a beloved franchise a cinematic universe for the ages take a break honey Evie Otley is America's next drag superstar I don't think so honey

two winners for RuPaul's Drag Race all stars I don't think so honey two winners for rupaul's drag race all-stars i don't think so honey this is not t-ball this is not little league okay we don't get participation trophies you're having these girls on these instagram drag queens who've never performed a day in their lives never read a day in their lives i come for the reading challenge okay when the library is open i want tea i'm not getting it i'm not getting it from these girls you want to go to the uk and start the show there how about we fix what's wrong at home before we invade other countries what are we the u.s government honey how about we get a few good seasons in before

you hand things over to todrick hall i don't think so honey i'm really into voguing right now i love when you did that kablam earlier i don't't think so, honey. RuPaul's Drag Race. Let's find the plot. I think we've lost the plot. Five seconds. I don't think so, honey. RuPaul's Drag Race. I love you so much. You're an icon.

We stand forever, but you need to get it together. And that's one minute. Wow. Out of pure love, you can tell. I think we're going to have a lot of really good queens on season 12. And if the rumors are true about All Stars 5, that will be outstanding as well. Because there's some really good 5 that will be outstanding as well because there's some really good queens that will be

returning. Jujubee this is the rumor. You're kidding. This is the rumor. Oh my god. Rumors that Jujubee is gone. And that will be the children have forgotten and will be taught moment because Jujubee is one of the funniest ever.

Made the reading challenge good good made the reading challenge good absolutely challenge and she was the she was the best one and that's the reason why it's it's like a mainstay best damn reader best damn lip syncer yep always looks fish always looked fish and then hers her and raven lip syncing i uh dancing on my own iconic in tears holding each other never forget black velvet black velvet black velvet if you please it's actually a rule and tears holding each other. Never forget Black Velvet. Black Velvet. Black Velvet, if you please. If you please. It's actually rule of culture number 14,

Black Velvet, if you please. It's approximately the thousandth rule number 14 of culture. Yeah, but I heard Jujubee. I heard Shea. These are rumors. I heard Shea. I heard Miss Cracker. Yes.

And I stand. Justice for Miss Cracker. Justice for Miss Cracker. That's all I have to say. I heard Miss Cracker. Yes. And I stand. Justice for Miss Cracker. Justice for Miss Cracker. That's all I have to say. Justice for Miss Cracker. Look out for Miss Cracker when she's not up in her head. You know what I mean? Because that was a disappointing narrative of that season was Miss Cracker's in her head,

Miss Cracker's in her head. And I think what happens when you say to someone who might be a little in their head, you're in your head. That is a recipe for disaster. Inner saboteur. I talk about this with straight people all the time. Yes. Straight guys,

they don't know about it. Yeah. And it's so important. No, the inner saboteur. You have to be so thankful to Ru too for giving these things a name. Yes. You know what I mean?

The inner saboteur, if you can't love yourself. Also, man behind the curtain. You're born naked and the rest is dry. Change my comedy. Yes, yes, yes. Change my life. Man behind the curtain.. You're Born Naked and the Rest is Drag. Changed my comedy. Yes, yes, yes. Changed my life.

100%. Man Behind the Curtain, never forget it. Yeah. The Wizard of Oz being what it is. Yes, 100%. Being like applicable to anything. No, I mean, I think, you know, what happened is I think a lot of people are critical of Rue now

and for valid reasons, if you're critical of Rue, this is not a read on you. I'm just saying you also have to understand and respect. This is the, this is one of the most important people in the culture. Yes. Who has seen it all, has seen everything.

Yeah. And anything you say about him, like, you know, he's not thought of before, you know what I mean? Or he hasn't thought of before. Like it's,

it's like that thing of like when people come for celebrities, like they're stupid. It's like like these people aren't stupid rupaul is actually a genius and an innovator and like a truly a pioneer of television and there's so many things that we have now are are due and indebted to rue yeah staying true and also think about just think about the fact that he thought of lip sync for your life I mean for a final challenge in a drag queen competition

lip sync for your life is fucking genius indispensable also the writing on that show when they're doing the runway is some of the funniest writing on TV

because you don't really have laugh out loud writing on TV all just on any show you know what I mean that the quips that they come out with and I don't care if they out loud writing on TV. Just on any show. You know what I mean? The quips that they come out with, and I don't care if they tape it after, do pickups or whatever. I believe they do it twice.

Oh my God, this is some of the funniest shit you'll hear on TV. And if you watch it in a bar, God bless you. Your earbuds are going to fucking ring. Oh, there's nothing like it. There's nothing. And I would say for everyone out there that's watching the show, which is obviously everyone, try to avoid the spoilers because the spoilers are so rampant on youtube and on reddit obviously just avoid the

spoilers because after we just spoiled all stars five well no we're not spoiling it we're saying rumors i know yeah it's and i said rumors several times so people want to come for you unsubstantiated unsubstantiated unsubstantiated rumors but i would say try to avoid um the elimination spoilers like all that stuff like because i mean the moment of watching sasha velour do that oh my god wait when bendelacrem sent herself home oh wow that that i think about daily yeah every i'm going home every day i think about it every day that's an i i mean and here's the thing ben de la creme when when you heard that she was going to be on all stars i was kind of like yeah that that makes sense and then when she came back and was so you know what i thought about ben de la creme i thought well

ben de la creme was already polished and amazing that wasn't ever a problem so how will it elevate elevate and it was elevated it was elevated and it smart. She was the best. Her stats are the strongest. Stronger than Alaska's. Stronger than any other queen on that show. And then for her to say, I'm taking myself out. What she did in that moment was she did win the show. Because she made herself iconic. Wow.

Wow. She was just on Hey Queen. And Rue was flummoxed. She was just on Hey Queen. Oh, yeah? And she talks with Johnny. And she talks about that moment and truly she's like, she's so

articulate and like and thoughtful about like the process of coming to that decision. And I think, I believe at this point that it was not produced. That she really did. I absolutely do not think it was produced. I choose to believe that. And I think it's okay to choose to believe things like that sometimes.

It's okay. That's my choice. It's to believe it. That's my choice too. I do not believe that it And I think it's okay to choose to believe things like that sometimes. Yes. It's okay. That's my choice is to believe it. That's my choice too. I do not believe that it was produced. I think she did that on her own because you can kind of see in the reactions of everyone. Like you can kind of tell when the judges are actually caught off guard by something. And I really do believe that Rue in that moment was kind of processing how to produce herself. Yes. You know what I mean?

And that's why she didn't give a strong reaction in that moment because she was like, I don't know how to produce herself. Yes. You know what I mean? And that's why she didn't give a strong reaction in that moment because she was like, I don't know how to take this. Right. And I love it. Ben, come on. And that's good TV.

Oh, and it's one of the most drag things that has happened on the show for her to say, this is the expectation. I'm going to subvert the expectation. Yes. Completely. Wow.

Queer drag. We love. We love. And we stan Ben DeLaCreme. We stan Ben De completely. Wow. Queer drag. We love. And we stan Ben DeLacroix. We stan Ben DeLacroix. We stan Mary Beth Barone. Yes. Oh my God. What a good episode. This is an incredible episode. Emma? HPE is nodding. Yes, can confirm.

You have to come back. This has been one of the highlights of my life. My career. I'm not kidding you, sitting between you two and just get gabbing, honey, I could do it for days. We love it.

We love it. If you ever get the opportunity, the privilege of being on this show, congratulations to you. This has just been, start to finish, a joy. I've loved this.

We had so much fun and you gotta go see Drag His Ass. And when are you gonna come out and do it in LA? Probably in January. January? I'll be out

hopefully at Dynasty again and we'll get it popping great amazing I'm there and also Houston Houston

December 13th the Comedy Hub the 13th and 14th you gotta go you gotta go and we give we blow kisses to everyone in Houston

that came to I Don't Think So Honey with Bowen and Catherine yes I'm sorry I wasn't there we do end every episode with a song. RuPaul's Drag Race

Start your engines RuPaul's Drag Race May the best woman win Forever Dog This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Brett Bowen, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey. This has been a Forever Dog production.

Executive produced by Brett Boehm, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey. For more original podcasts, please visit foreverdogpodcasts.com and subscribe to our shows on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keep up with the latest Forever Dog news by following us on Twitter and Instagram at Forever Dog Team and liking our page on Facebook. I'm Cheryl Swoops. And I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby. And on our new podcast, we're talking about the real obstacles women face day to day. Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women. And T and I have no problem going there.

Listen to Levels to This with Cheryl Swoops and Tarika Foster-Brasby, an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional today's biggest artists. I was a desperate delusional dreamer. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Rob Gronkowski. And we are super excited to tell you about our new show, Dudes on Dudes. We're spilling all the behind-the-scenes stories,

crazy details, and honestly, just having a blast talking football. Every week, we're discussing our favorite players of all times, from legends to our buddies to current stars. We're finally answering the age-old question, what kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find age-old question. What kind of dudes are these dudes? We're going to find out, Jules. New episodes drop every Thursday during the NFL season. Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.

Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.