Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Gospel of the Goose" (w/ Kesha)

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Join Matt, Bowen and self proclaimed "walking psychedelic trip" KESHA on this episode of Las Culturistas, which begs the question: should Kesha open up a supermarket that sells "pop rocks flavored blu...e Kesha ramen"? The three silly gooses discuss that, as well as hoarding, doing mushrooms in the desert, and building community amongst millions of Animals out there. Also, working with Rick Rubin and Ryan Lewis to discover new depths to Kesha's voice and artistry, how hearing "Drop It Like It's Hot" opened up a world of musical possibility for Kesha, the sexual awakening that was Will Smith in the late 90's, and collecting teeth. All this, raging on the Kesha Cruise with Bob the Drag Queen and Big Freedia, spirituality, and the idea that Kesha is on her last human life. You are the crazy people, and you are also the fortunate people that Kesha blessed LC with her time! Listen to "Origami" now and see Kesha on The Freedom Tour! Kesha makes our heart beat like an 808 drum. And so do you <3See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:42 Look, man. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las cultureistas.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Ding dong, kind of a cousin of TikTok. If you really say. down and think about it. Both things in the home. Yeah, for sure. Those that tell you something's happening.
Starting point is 00:02:04 Clocks do both. Clocks do both. Ding, dong, on the bell, but the party is swell. You know, we aren't lyricists like our guest. But I am always saying these days, take me to Shibuya. You're always saying that. Always saying that. And I'm wanting to, Amanda, turn me into Oregon.
Starting point is 00:02:28 me bad. Honey. And it's the summer. It's the summer. I want to be a crane up in that thing. I want to be a paper plane. If you see me at Thai tea and you haven't made me into origami, you're not doing drag. But this is actually a huge day.
Starting point is 00:02:43 You know, our guests will never remember this. But we met a couple years ago at the Elton John after Oscar party. Yes, a fab event. And we're standing in line for drinks and it's taking a while. This is not to shade the event. No, no, no. It's a packed bar. It's a good.
Starting point is 00:02:59 At this moment, it was taking a second. And our guest, as a joke, just takes a champagne bottle off the thing and goes to turn around. And then put it back. She was kidding. But I did turn to her and say, I'm very happy to see you do a very Kesha thing in the wild. And she smiled and laughed. A star's smile and laugh. A star's smile and laugh.
Starting point is 00:03:18 And here she is. Have you met our guest? I have not had the pleasure. Well. And this is very, very cool. You figure, well, we'll tell you while you have a chance to respond. God, she is coming out with a new music, thank goodness. On tour, the freedom tour.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Freedom tour, period. CEO of Kesha Records. There you go. Get into it. We're so happy she's here. Everyone welcome. Kesha! We've been waiting for this day.
Starting point is 00:03:48 Honestly, same. Truly. I'm very excited. What do you make of this champagne moment? That sounds right. It sounds about right. I'm surprised I put it back. it was taking long enough where you would have been well within your rights to hit the road with it, so to speak.
Starting point is 00:04:04 I mean, that sounds about right. That's not right. But like, these bartenders, come on. I love them. The eye contact, they are strategically withholding, of course. They have to, like, manage it. Sometimes I'm like, I'm just a guy standing in front of a bartender. Just a boy in a bar.
Starting point is 00:04:24 Asking you to serve me. Asking you to serve me. But I What do you make of Us repeating your lyrics Becky? Are you like... I live for that.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Okay. That is why I do this. So people quote me to me. Yeah. I love it. See, thank God for you Because there are some people out here We're like, oh, I just don't.
Starting point is 00:04:44 I don't know. It's not. What do you mean? Yeah, no. This is what art is. I do pop songs. I was just played a show and there were like so many people
Starting point is 00:04:55 dressed like me. You know what that? does for me. I actually can pass away happy. And I see people dressed as me when I was 21 years old. Yeah, embodying. I live. I can I just before I, before the chance escapes me.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Yes, go. Like, I am the dance commander. I command you to dance is one of the greatest remix albums of all time. Thank you. Or just remix EPs. What would you call that? I just was the dance commander. It was what the dance.
Starting point is 00:05:27 It's just what was commanded at me. It's just what was commanded at you. Because fuck him, he's a DJ is a text for a generation. Honestly. Yes. Oh, my God. Making that song with my friend Tom Neville, we also did Boots and Boys. Boots!
Starting point is 00:05:45 That was the literally like, oh, no, that's up boots? There's a song called Boots and boys. Oh, I was getting it. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. I was getting it mixed up. We love boots and we love boys. It's fine. and boots and boy
Starting point is 00:05:57 You have a great bee trilogy there with blah So you got the bees covered I really do like them They sing well You know and you don't have to be You're not that plosive on the peas It's blah
Starting point is 00:06:10 It's great Are you clocking the plosives The plosives? Is that a word? Like when you say Nobody wants that on a microphone right I know exactly You need like a pop screen
Starting point is 00:06:19 Yeah you are clocking it You are clocking it Of course I got almost perfect score On the SATs I was going to go to Columbia University. I've always wanted to be a cult leader. Why do you think I
Starting point is 00:06:29 love people dressing like me? Of course I clacked the bees and the peas. Oh my God. This is an ACT legend. You're an SAT legend. SAT I got perfect on math. You did. I got perfect on math. Of course. I mean, but like for you
Starting point is 00:06:45 to go from for you to go from I was going to go to Columbia to I've wanted to be a cult leader. What's in between? Like, not much. I think I still kind of want to go back to divinity school. Let me take you one. I'll try.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Take us. I always liked being in community and like trying to understand why we do what we do. So my mom, I'd be like, mom, I want to go to church. And she's like, whose child are you? But so I'm in Tennessee and she takes me from church to church. But then it would always get to the point where they're like, but you can't be gay. And I was like, well, it's not for me then. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:22 And so then in high school, I was like, Like, if I ever get to be a pop star, I'm going to make a place, a community for people like me that like want to be a part of community and sing bigger and like, but like can be gay as fuck. Yes. And like super authentic and like just be. An animal as you, as it were. Yes. I feel like there was so much around that time too, like in pop music that was like, hey, you can be free. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:07:51 It was like it was you, it was Gaga. It was Beyonce. It was like we were in college at the time and I remember all this music is coming out. I remember we had elected Obama and we were in New York for the first time and it felt like like we were discovering
Starting point is 00:08:06 who we were and the music was like go out and do that. Yes. It was like an encouragement. Would you guys meet each other? We met so this is what we wanted to tell you to your face. Tell me. Yes. You loom. You loom. You loom. Your lore. Oh, I have chills. So Matt and I, meeting college. And then we finally start
Starting point is 00:08:24 hanging out when we're, he's in the sketch group, I'm in the improv group at NYU. And then we would just all like hang out at these after parties that like our friend Jenny would throw at her house and the playlist would cycle through but like any time
Starting point is 00:08:37 it hit TikTok, blow fucking like anything off of your love is my drug. Your love is my drug. Anything off of animal and cannibal. We were just like, let's fucking go. Like it was how we like, it was how like the ice melted between Because we were like, who is this?
Starting point is 00:08:52 They were sort of like, they were like, you're gay, be friends. And we were like, we resent each other now because of this. And then like one of your songs would come on and be like, I'm still hung over you. Like, truly. Like, but there was like so much joy in your music
Starting point is 00:09:08 and like so much of it was so cathartic. And it really is. It's like, I remember, well, you played Webster Hall. Like, this is when we were there. I saw you then. And then fast forward to all the years later, I just told you that I saw your freedom show. You're like, I'm back show at WeHo Pride a couple years ago.
Starting point is 00:09:27 And probably a lot of people there have those same feelings. I mean, that's why they're dressed up as you. That's why they're living like, they're living a Kesha lifestyle in that moment because you officially have become like a touchstone. Oh my God. That makes me like almost. I'm not going to cry. But like I could possibly because that's like all I ever wanted to do.
Starting point is 00:09:50 was just make people feel safe and good in themselves. Because I feel like when you do this, I've kind of, with myself, I realized I maybe didn't have that growing up. So I wanted to create what I wish existed for me growing up. And it was like a loving community where I could just be authentic and didn't have to pretend to be normal, like normal.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Yeah. And then I played my show last night at Jones Beach, like sold out. And I'm like looking out And I I'm like we did it Yeah we did it like we found each other Like we're all vibrating at a level
Starting point is 00:10:29 Where we just want to be our authentic selves And like have it be okay And we made it and that feels really good That's course it does I mean you basically are a cult leader In that way than what you're describing But can I can I propose to you the missing piece? Yes I'm convinced you should open a grocery store
Starting point is 00:10:47 Deal like you should open the Kesha grocery store and then people will like buy the things if you want to sell like artisanal like olive oil olive oil. It's sprouts but Kesha. If it's a Keshe's olive oil. If you have like one item that's like the smoothie for heroin or whatever. Yeah. And then you just stock it with like your other favorites at the grocery store.
Starting point is 00:11:11 People would be like, well, I went to the Kesha store. Okay. I actually have been thinking about trying to get Kesha flavored ramen. Like this, I think about this, like 7-Eleven Keshit edition. Like Japanese 7-Eleven. Oh, I love a Japanese-Ben. But like, what's the ramen? Tell us.
Starting point is 00:11:29 Well, what it would taste like. Let's put some, like, pop rocks in that rock. Yes. Make it sparkle a little bit. Wow. I don't know. Maybe it's blue. Maybe it's blue.
Starting point is 00:11:42 I don't know. Blue-Rossy. Like, this is like, maybe it's blue. Maybe it's blue. You just need an adjective and a noun. And then it's gonna a blue ramen hot ice cream whatever you know what I mean Just let's party do you know about the high ice cream I've tell me about the Tarbank's hot ice cream Okay this is what I heard about but I don't get it it's I
Starting point is 00:12:02 To my knowledge it's like it's like a chocolate shake or it's like it's like it's like a dairy drink and it's warm and it's it's a hot chocolate It's a it's a hot it's a thick hot chocolate hot hot I'm into it I mean I don't I just think whatever you make should have okay not, oh no, do the pop rocks in ramen or do pop rocks in anything else. Like, I just love pop rocks. Like, what are they? I don't know. Did they ever find out what they were? I don't think I, like, want to know.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Because it's still... I don't want to know. Wow. Don't ruin it. Sometimes we have, like, things just laying around, like a bottle of champagne or something. If we'd had pop rocks, this would be an episode where we all did pop rocks right now. Weep, a hundred percent. But I don't think it's something you can just get in New York.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Cash a flavored pop rocks. Yeah, there you go. Maybe we start there. Grocery store is not a bad idea. To be honest, I was kind of thinking about like a vintage store, but the grocery store sounds maybe more fun. Or could I sell my old shirts and cash-flavored pop rocks? I think this is, it's a one-stop shop for all.
Starting point is 00:13:04 I love that. Your vintage store is something that would do numbers, though. I have so much shit, you guys. I bet you do. I bet you do. I am a hort. Wait, I'm going to ask you a personal question. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:13:16 Because that was your, you and your mom's house in the simple life, right? Oh, yeah. Gorgeous house. Like, absolutely, like, whatever, like, is in that, like, like, the, the heirloom pieces, if you want to part with them would, would sell very well. Oh, I literally, I just sold my house, 7,000 square feet of shirts. There's so many clothes, but I can't, like, I can't just, like, they have to go to someone who understands that they're very special treasures.
Starting point is 00:13:45 This is not, these aren't just garments. They're treasures. So what do you do? Do you find another place where like you can put all that stuff or do you archive? You hoard. You hoard. You hang on to it. I shouldn't even say the word archive.
Starting point is 00:13:57 It's hoarding. Let's just be real. It goes into like the storage unit or something. Sure does. Really? Mm-hmm. But the thing about like the cool vintage stuff is you can never get rid of it. No.
Starting point is 00:14:10 Like a vintage Dior cape from the 70s with like, embroidered pink flowers that I bought in London when I was making it with that weird tiny man Yeah How am I supposed to get rid of that? And the thing about it is you have a story
Starting point is 00:14:26 And a place, like it's bespoke In so many different ways It is holding so much energy Which is making me a hoarder Because I can't get rid of it Yeah, no, and nor should you. Unless you open the store, which I think If you do vintage, it's like
Starting point is 00:14:38 You're just worried about one lane If you pair it with a grocery store And I like this. I think you could really cycle through some inventory. Okay, done. I just, I'm, I think I'm honestly onto something. No, I dead ass to you. I've been thinking about, we should chat.
Starting point is 00:14:52 Because I've been thinking about this. I'm like culturally and almost like as its own standalone art piece. Like if you took a 7-Eleven and branded, I actually was thinking about doing this, but like you take pieces of my wigs. Yes. And you sell them like in a 7-Eleven and like at the cash register. I froze my eggs and maybe like for a very high ticket price.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Buy your eggs. Just maybe one. Yeah. I'm keeping the rest. But maybe one. I mean, honestly, there was someone out there who will buy anything. Oh,
Starting point is 00:15:28 I believe it. And I'm like kind of curious. I'm sure you've received some letters in your day. Fan mail. Just think about it. Just talk about the wig piece again. Where does the wig? Someone,
Starting point is 00:15:39 your wig pieces are for sale and then you go to the cast register and that's where the eggs. It worked out all the kings yet, okay? You brought up a grocery store. I thought about ramen. We got talking about pop rocks. And now we're here, and I'm telling you my innermost secrets. I haven't really worked at all yet. No, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:15:53 We just know whatever it is, it's going to be great. It's going to be great. Well, before we started, I, just to, like, bring back a religion up again. You were talking, and right before we started, I was saying to you, we had just watched the music video for Raising Hell, which is one of my favorite videos of yours. So good. Was that you wanting to, because it's set, obviously, in like, a very evangelist. you know, environment and you sort of, you know, breaking free of that.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Was that you wanting to respond to what you experienced earlier in your life, trying to make it work and then just running up? I think I just like, I don't want to go to heaven without raising hell. And I have always had this almost like a nihilism in me because I have had multiple people. This is true. At this point tell me this is my last incarnated life as a human. Whoa. Which, like, depending on what anybody believes, like, I've been around lots of times.
Starting point is 00:16:49 I'm triple Pisces, so it's like... Whoa. Double Pisces Cancer Moon. No, literally. Wait, what's your son? So I'm Pisces son. Pice's rising. March 5th.
Starting point is 00:17:01 Shut up. I'm the first. Oh, my God. Yeah, we're right here. Oh, my God. Okay. What are you? Scorpio.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Another water sign. Spicy. A little sexy. But then my other, the rest of my time. chart is kind of all over the place. Not not as watery as I'd like. Sorry to cut you off. You were in your flow as as we are as water signs.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Don't remember, but it was great. Okay. I loved it. It was a good for you. The man, the people telling you over time that this is your last reaction. So, oh, but so this whole time, I've been like, I love like anything spiritual, anything witchy, anything supernatural. I love a ghost. I love a bigfoot.
Starting point is 00:17:41 I love a hologram. Is this dimension? all of that, like quantum consciousness, let's go. Yes. But I also am like, we kind of have to be a little ratchet. Yeah. Yeah, we can't take it too seriously. Like, you know? Let's break it down.
Starting point is 00:17:59 If this is your last hurrah, literally. I have fucked the world tattooed on me twice. Twice. Where are? Well, one here. Fuck the world. Next to the dead fish I got with Big Frida on the Kesha Cruz. Gorgeous.
Starting point is 00:18:11 I know. You have a matching tattoo with Big Frida? Yes, and Bob the drug queen. Oh, my God. We had talk about a fun time. Let me tell you what, the Kesha crews. There's three of you. The Kesha Cruz.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Why did we miss the Kesha Cruz? Honestly, that was a major fuck-up. Wait, where did you guys pour? We twirled around in the sea between here and like the Bahamas. Yeah. And just, it was like absolute mayhem. Of course. You've heard the chaos.
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Starting point is 00:22:09 I'm dating the whole wide world. Good. And I'm ready to be pulled in any direction because it's my last life. So. Yeah. So different people. Like who are these like astrologers, psychics? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:22 Okay. And you, so they have apropos, obviously, of one another. So as you know, this is going to be your last life. Yes. I have had multiple people on totally separate, not connected, years apart, recently again. Yeah. What have they told you or have you been able to contextualize the past lives? The past lives.
Starting point is 00:22:43 What do you know about them? I definitely have been a man and a woman in my past lives. I think, how do I say this without sounding? I don't really care. Don't know. But like, I do feel like, I do feel like we are all like consciousness, just in our own little separate. Bag.
Starting point is 00:23:07 Skin suits. You know? And in that way, like in my shows, and we're all dressed up the same, like not to be a cult leader that likes it too much, but it does feel really natural because we are all one. Yes. And I like reflecting that.
Starting point is 00:23:22 And I love when people reflect that at me, if that makes any sense. It does. I think this is the thing about you is that now a lot of the narrative around pop artists is that they are on this journey to find their authentic selves, right? It's like, this is my most authentic album to me. And I don't think you ever had to go through that because I think you've always been completely self-assured. And now what's incredible, and I think what makes you, like, ahead of everybody is that, like, you are telling the story of making music on your own terms. But you were always you when you were making it before that.
Starting point is 00:24:02 Totally. I think it's just being fully sovereign and really in control. And to be honest with you, finally in a position where I can give myself that credit. Because as a woman who bursts onto the scene in 2008, 2008, 2000. 2009, 2010. Like, it was not, I was always very authentic, but there was a lot of,
Starting point is 00:24:27 like it was a confusing time to be a woman in pop culture in terms of like just walking around being super confident in oneself. Because media was like really loved to reflect all the ways I did not actually in fact deserve to be famous or on a magazine
Starting point is 00:24:47 or I'm like, you're not pretty enough, you're not talented enough. I was always like not something enough. And so I did have a period of time where I was like, wow, maybe all of this success is really everybody else, like honestly. And then the past two and a half years when I actually got the rights back to my voice
Starting point is 00:25:07 and I started my record label and I went on this tour and literally I've designed everything like, I've woven the songs together and I have like, cried with my albums. Like it has been a spiritual process putting together the show that I'm currently touring. And to be able to look out and be like, no wait, maybe, maybe it was me.
Starting point is 00:25:31 It was you. But I didn't know it until literally the past, I don't know, two years. And it took me getting that freedom and sovereignty for me to give myself any amount of credit. Yeah. Which is just my journey. I don't know if that's,
Starting point is 00:25:47 that's just being an artist in the world or being a woman in the world or what it is. But I always kind of gave away the credit to other people. Wow. That makes sense because so much of your work has been like extracted by other people. Totally. You know what I mean? And exploited. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:10 And that experience has made me so strong, though. And once I got my first. freedom, which like the process of like being an artist at a very young age signing for those who don't know. Like I signed a deal at 18. And then I got the rights to my voice and IP to myself on March 6, 24 for the first time in my adult life. But that experience has actually made me so strong and so much appreciation and protection for myself. so but it took a lot of like healing to get to this point where now I'm actually quite grateful to know how strong I am yeah like what is like what does um it mean for you emotionally I guess
Starting point is 00:26:59 like that you have the rights to everything like what does that mean emotionally for you to like look back on like the like the first few albums well it was it's such it's like confusing a little bit yeah yeah because I didn't have the rights to something that It comes from inside of my body. It's like how we as humans express ourselves. You can't really touch it. You can't really, yeah. Very odd.
Starting point is 00:27:25 And growing up being so spiritual, it's just always kind of messed with my head, the spiritual side of it. Like it didn't make sense to not have the rights to one's self. Right. So I think it's looking back, I have so much love for my younger self. Like I see pictures of myself,
Starting point is 00:27:45 with like, oh my God, some of these outfit choices. Some of the outfit choices. They're wearing them. They're wearing that girl. We love that girl. Oh my God, she was amazing. Like, she was so fearless. Yes.
Starting point is 00:27:58 She was so fearless. People tell me stories about the way, like my friend Bob Ezrin, who is a producer that worked on Pink Floyd the Wall, iconic album. He came into my show a couple nights ago, and he's like, do you remember when he was doing a panel with Lou Reed, I also icon.
Starting point is 00:28:16 And somebody heckled him. And apparently I stood up and said, get the fuck out of here. Yes. Yes. And I was like, damn. And I was like 20.
Starting point is 00:28:24 Yeah. So country. So conti. But in 30 year old, you probably hedges because you know, like there's an awareness of what might come as a result. But we hope to be the person that can just stand up and speak truth to power. Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:38 And you've had this insane experience where it's not just you going through it, but then it becomes like a true movement. in and that is, it's really empowering, but it's also, I would imagine, a little bit dysmorphic, because you're like, how did it become this to begin with, which makes every emotion very confusing? I think that speaking back to like, we all reflect each other's experiences. And as an artist and as a woman, I don't think that I'm alone in what I've experienced. No. And I'm sorry that others have experienced the negative things that I can relate to. Like, that does.
Starting point is 00:29:15 doesn't make me feel good. Right. But we have each other and that's what gives us all courage is when people can stand up and say, like, I'm not alone, you're not alone. And that's what actually produces social change. Is enough people getting fed up with the way a system is working.
Starting point is 00:29:34 Yeah. So, but I look back at my younger self and I'm like, what a badass? Like I could not listen to the album Warrior. Wow. for a long time. And are you back to listening to it now? I'm like obsessed with my girl now.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Yeah, you should be. Oh my God. Oh my God. Wherever you are, bitch. And like, just like some of those songs like Warrior, I'm singing about the same shit. I talk about every night in my show. I'm like, why was I so scared to listen to this girl was just like young and going through shit and being a badass and standing up for her community? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:13 And she's been doing it the whole day. damn time. Like, what are you so scared of? Is crazy kids on Warrior? Yes. Love crazy kids. That one too. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:21 I had to like, I had to do healing work with her. Wow. Like, there were emotions that would come up when I would listen to certain songs. Yeah. Because of my own personal experiences. Sure, sure. And so then I couldn't really face them publicly because it felt really weird to like play a song. It just like hurt.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Yeah. Yeah. But the way you circumvented, and it wasn't even circumvention, I think you were very direct about it in the way that you could have been. But like with gag order, it's like, that's genius. I hope you understand that. Like you were singing about the thing that you weren't allowed to sing about, but you made it the whole theme of the album.
Starting point is 00:31:03 Like it's like I don't think any artist has really had to like think of it that or has been able to like really be so declarative and mature about like, I hope you love that girl too. Oh my God. She? Ooh. Yeah. She is amazing.
Starting point is 00:31:21 She is amazing. Oh my God. That was so like meta and like quite frankly very. It was a weird time. Yeah. Making an album about a thing. I couldn't talk about it while getting ready to go deal with that on a world stage. Like it was so almost meta.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Yes. And it felt so beautiful to have this collaborator. Yeah. fucking Rick Rubin. Oh my God. To be like, like Jedi, I'm going to go into this with you.
Starting point is 00:31:53 What a beautiful time. And that performed so badly. That album performed on the charts so poorly that it led to my freedom. Tell me what that spiritual arc of the story is.
Starting point is 00:32:08 You never know what your failures actually what like the universe is doing for you. Yeah. You really don't know what your story is doing for you. Like at the time, I was like, that's so interesting. Like every album I'd put up before that, I'd been like a top 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:25 And then this came out and I was like, oh, damn. Like, I didn't think everyone would like it as much as TikTok, but like really big difference. Yeah. But I always loved the album and I loved the process of making it. Which makes it worth it. Oh, I was like, if people don't get it, they're wrong. Quite frankly.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Or that's fine. Or that's fine. It's so good Yeah But like it's it's different with like rainbow though Because that was also similarly Like you were saying about the thing that you couldn't sing about But it was performing well and I fucking love that album
Starting point is 00:32:54 I loved that one too She was just like She was like a little rainbow Don't let the bastards get Don't let the bastards get you down Just like the Rick Rubin of it all I feel like a lot of artists have talked about Finding new parts of their voice with him
Starting point is 00:33:07 Like Adele has talked about like when she worked with him on 30. Yeah, and on 21, even way, way back. Oh, really? No, she could hit the notes in, not set far down to the rain, rolling in the deep. And all of a sudden, like, his encouragement,
Starting point is 00:33:22 just like talking about, did he do praying? No, that was Ryan Lewis. Yeah. That was Ryan Lewis. He maybe did, go ahead, finish your story. Well, I'm just saying, like, just you, because you were sort of synonymous
Starting point is 00:33:38 with a very pop, sound and like the sing talking that you were doing. But then to hear you really sing and use your voice, I was just wondering, because you always were, but then suddenly there was that moment in praying where there's that cathartic scream, like that primal note that you were doing,
Starting point is 00:33:55 which I think got you that Grammy nomination, which had to feel good to finally get like that from them. Totally. But just discovering and like traversing everything you had to go through and finding, like, so much. more in your vocal. I wonder about that process. Well, that was, and I do think everything is like, not to sound too much like a hippie, but everything is energy. And, and when you have, I'll speak for
Starting point is 00:34:25 myself, when I was coming from a place that was not really encouraging me to be in my power and to take credit for my wins. And then to be in a room with Ryan Lewis, who was like, like, you're amazing. You can hit the note. You can do it. What that did for my vocal range, I think it jumped like two octaves, like just what being around the right kind of person.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Wow, that's really interesting. And I've taken that on with the rest of my life since that moment. That changed my life because very lovingly, I will not be around people that try to bring me down, that try to feed negativity. Like I have to be around people. that want to love and support each other and see each other win.
Starting point is 00:35:13 I think who we surround ourselves with is really important. Everything. And should be giving you love and like really wanting to see you win. It's really important. And I learned that from that session. Wow. It felt like everyone who loves you and following you, we all had an experience when you released that.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Me too. It did feel very spiritual. It was so spiritual. And the song being called praying. Like I'm sure that was an intentional thing. It was like we're gonna release it in this moment and the best is seeing when when we see you live like people doing their version of it. Oh my god, you should see the videos on my story right now. Last night they were so loud like you can't even hear me singing.
Starting point is 00:35:55 I think it's very cathartic for a lot of people that come to my show, which like it's such an intense moment. Yeah. It's really fun. Well, everyone is speaking to the person that that felt like. the weight in their life. Like everyone is speaking to that person, whether it's like an ex or an ex boss or like a current situation. Like I feel like that song does give permission.
Starting point is 00:36:21 I would say that's like a top three cash a song for me. Really? Yeah, absolutely. Like it's just because of and now even more so now that you say that. Oh, it was a really special time because I remember always thinking, I can't do much, but I can sing. And then after my first album came out and I, like, people were to sing, I couldn't actually sing. And I was like, wait, wait, wait, I was just using, we were just having fun.
Starting point is 00:36:53 Yeah. I can actually sing. Yeah. Yep, yep. And then praying was, I feel like the first time that people were like, oh, damn, maybe she can sing a little bit. Yes. Well, and the singing thing is like, as someone who can't really sing that well. Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:37:09 I'm like, I think it's overrated. No, but I think with you, I think with you, like, so we, so Matt and I used to be in this musical sketch group, which is, yes, exactly. Dye, perfect timing. Perfect timing. We could have used some of that back then. We could have used to, yes, I mean, you could hear that drop and smaller. But I, but we, but like, so with all these comedy songs, whatever, like, we're, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:34 doing it. And then, you know, we had this concert at Union Hall, this, like, tiny, wonderful, small venue in Park Slope, but like, we were like, let's just sing, like, one song for real and like, let's just sing the shit out of it. Yeah. There was nine of us, too. Nine of us. We were a big group.
Starting point is 00:37:47 I love that. And we all were like, you know what? Like, you know what is a great song that like maps lyrically onto this thing that is basically built like a sketch is your love is my drug. Just every, just lyrically, every line is genius. I love that. I used to teach, um, musical comedy writing, sketch comedy. writing and because actually sketch comedy and pop music really walk hand in hand and
Starting point is 00:38:13 in order to show like a perfect pop song I would show we would listen to your love is my drug and we would talk about how it how it maps and just like you know the first verse you're introducing exploring an idea and the chorus will land the game and then the second verse like explores that idea further you land the game harder and it's just like it was like again formative and we had so much fun singing it Nine people breaking up different parts of the song. Oh my gosh. Is there a video of this?
Starting point is 00:38:42 I love that. There might be. Stop. We're not sharing it with you. Stop. If you open the grocery store, we'll show you the video. Fine. I'll open the grocery store.
Starting point is 00:38:52 You show us your pop rocks and we'll show you our pop's cover. Do we all go? So I got a question. No, it's like one. Actually, I think I had the bridge. Oh, which part? Do I make your heartbeat like a net a little eight drove. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:07 I love your drug. That was me. Was everybody jealous? That's the best part. Yes. It's the best part. Are you kidding me? I might have just been like, this is me.
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Starting point is 00:42:19 What did Black Music, Food, and Culture teach us about who we were becoming? 2016 was sort of that last era of monoculture, where we still consumed things in community. From Beyonce and Rihanna. Everybody wanted to be Beyonce. I don't think we'll ever see another Rihanna. to soul food, memory, identity, and the stories we carry through black culture. What does it mean to be black and eat in America? So we were these group of people who knew how to work the land, who knew how to live with the land.
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Starting point is 00:44:08 Well, speaking of this is me, let's hear this is you. We have to ask you the question, Keshah. The central question of our podcast, which is what was the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is formative pop culture in any dimension that you can think of that you think looking back, that's when Keshah became Keshah. Okay. It's a couple things, that are right? Yeah, that's great. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:33 So getting ready for school, I remember seeing the video for Drop It Like It's Hot. and hearing that sound. And I was like, you can just, that could be my job. Yeah. Making noises with my mouth that are like the sillier the better. Yeah. And then like joy ride. I was like, you know, oh, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:44:55 Like I literally took this to heart where I'm like, I can just make silly sounds. Yeah. And it can be iconic. And I live my best life. And then I also remember the first time. I heard Will Smith. Wow. And I was like,
Starting point is 00:45:13 I'm, I thought, well, I thought I was gay. And then I was like, wait a minute. He was everything. What song? Getting jigger with that. Getting jiggy with it. It was.
Starting point is 00:45:24 And welcome to Miami. In Benito. Miami. He really did have bops. It was really good. Never forget. Just the two of us. We can make it.
Starting point is 00:45:35 That was, I was like, oh yeah, you can like take an old. old song and make it your, I was like, yeah, he taught us. And he like didn't say bad word. Yeah. Which I really picked up.
Starting point is 00:45:46 But did that matter though when you were a kid who's, you know, you know, I guess not sheltered, but you had a religious. Oh, well, I was, I was like, I was, I was, she was trying it all. Yeah. It's my last life. Just think about that. I was just like blast off in all directions. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:02 Yeah. I don't know. He was like part of my awakening. Yes. Sexually. Yeah. He was hot. When you tell a little bit of his
Starting point is 00:46:10 Wild Wild West, I feel like I did stop the tape. Oh my God. I need to circle back to that. This is back in the day when any time a man was in a movie, like, I remember Rosie O'Donnell would ask the question.
Starting point is 00:46:21 She would have men on her show and it's just so funny now. But Mark Wahlberg came in and they did an interview and I'll never forget the last question she asked before they went to break was she goes,
Starting point is 00:46:30 is there any honey shot? Hiney shot. And then he goes, little hiney shot. She goes, there you go, there's a hiney shot. And it was just like, Rosie.
Starting point is 00:46:37 on like, heinie shot watch. She was balancing the scales. Like, back then, it was like... She did it well. The women were asked about their tits and the men were... Should have been asked about their asses. Yeah, so she was like, you know,
Starting point is 00:46:49 we're going to ask about the men's butts, Marky Mark. Wait, was he the one with the dick in Boogie Nights? Yes. Prostatic dick. Was it? Yeah. Are you sure?
Starting point is 00:47:00 Famous noted... It was huge. Oh, it was amazing. If it was that big, we would have known from the Calvin Klein ads. for sure. We would have known if he had an Anacond to do in the Calvin Klein ads that were famous and then Boogie Nights, that thing unfurled. No.
Starting point is 00:47:17 It was. Formative pop culture moment, you're asking. Well, this one affected all of us. Oh, yeah, clearly. Wait, but I love that the takeaway from Dropout like it's hot is it can be silly. I actually think, go with me here. Yes. But vibrating at silly goose level.
Starting point is 00:47:39 is like takes feeling very safe and to feel very safe as a woman or a queer person in this world. Like you really have to cultivate a community and a safe like container. Yes, a cruise, if you will. Yes, a cruise, a songwriting room. It takes a cruise.
Starting point is 00:47:59 It takes a cruise. Akesha Cruz. We're going to have to bring it back after this. I know. I want to go now. Amanda's going to be high. You're making a profound point. Oh, no, but basically, to really get into your, like, silly goose bullshit, you have to feel safe and comfy and, like, it can't, like, you can't be really scared and stressed.
Starting point is 00:48:22 Yeah. So when I get, the sillier I get, that means the safer I feel. Yes. And I have noticed historically, that's the energy that my fans react to the most. So the sillier I'm feeling, it's like the happier my fans are, but also the happier and safer I am, there's something magical in this. Yeah. So I try to like notice who I feel silly around. Silly goose is a contagion.
Starting point is 00:48:55 It's a contagion is safe gander, is intelligent, is smart gander. Yes. You know what I mean? I call it the gospel of the goose. The Gospel of the Goose is the title of this episode. I live for that. The Gospel of the Goose. And that, now we have a supermarket.
Starting point is 00:49:14 We have a cruise part two. And we have an animated show. Gospel of the Goose. Let's do it. Are we in business together now? It's in development. I'm not kidding. Let's take it the fuck out.
Starting point is 00:49:27 Let's go. It's a great time for the business. Everyone's buying. It's going to be an easy sell. Maybe it would. It might be. Who wouldn't buy it? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:49:39 We also heard, we also heard before you came in that you were a Beastie Boys fan. Oh, like that was another pop culture moment for me. Yes. That reads. I was like, I know because I was like, I can be a silly fucking goose. Yes. And I'm, yeah, I'm going to do that. I feel like your DNA is fight for your right.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Honestly, you're 100% right. Yes. And the fact that I got to work with Rick Roo. I was like just last lifetime goals. What were his, like, you said he was like Jedi master? Like what was he imparting? I think it was to make great art, I feel like you have to be honest. And I was going through what I was going through at the time,
Starting point is 00:50:26 which was a litigation, which was not fun. And I really wanted, because my favorite thing in the world is to make people happy. Literally, it's like, I want to vibrate at my highest level because I know it makes my fans happy. Like, it's a beautiful relationship where literally they're the love of my life. I do everything for them. So I really wanted to just be like so happy and like pretend like I was feeling wonderful and everything was great. During a very long, almost decade long litigation. and I remember I made praying and rainbow
Starting point is 00:51:06 and it took like one Twitter comment. I was like, we want fun, we want fun girl back. And I was like, trust me, so do I. Yeah. Like I really do. And so I really tried to like be that. But like it wasn't maybe my most authentic vibration in that time, even though I wanted it to be.
Starting point is 00:51:27 It just like wasn't really available. And he came, like, entered. heard the chat in a way that was like, it's all right. Like you don't have to perform. Like you don't have to try to sing. You can just sing. Like you don't have to try to be fun. You can just be honest.
Starting point is 00:51:45 And it felt very much like having somebody like walk into the dark corners of your mind with you so you don't have to go by yourself. And it felt really beautiful to look at things that were really hot. Like some of those lyrics are gnarly on gag order. By the way, I changed the way, changed the title of that album to eat acid. Yes, that's right, that's right.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Which I changed the title because in a lot of my healing work, I've realized that only now looking back, did I realize that that album and that time, it was such an alchemizing moment in my life for my spirituality, for the direction of where my life was going to go and for the person I was going to become. And so from this like very, very difficult time, it actually was like God's greatest psychedelic. And I have so much gratitude and appreciation for this difficult thing because I lived through it. And now I can hopefully help other people at my shows or I teach songwriting to veterans and kids. Oh, wow, that's amazing.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Yeah, because I really think that having somebody to hold hands. within look at the dark corners of your mind like that's what I want to do with the rest of my life. That's really beautiful to know so many elements of your purpose. You know, like to know that I'm a joy bringer and to know that I want to help people bring out the things that they are not facing. Well, yeah, because when you have somebody to look at it with you, you kind of realize like, oh, wait, I'm safe now. And I can make a piece of art out of that. Like, think about praying. Yeah. Yeah. It is the craziest. I've chills to think about last night. I'm dressed
Starting point is 00:53:34 up in a full gold warrior outfit that is designed to, like it's inspired by the interior of St. Peter's Basilica in the Vatican, Michelangelo, right? And I come out on stage
Starting point is 00:53:49 with this backpack strapped to my head in these very cunty glasses. I look so cool. And everyone is screaming, praying, 10,000 people, if not more. More. And like, that all came from one day I walked in and I was like, I'm going through a really
Starting point is 00:54:07 hard thing and I don't know how to deal with it. And my friend, Ryan Lewis, like, you can sing that high note and we're going to play around for a couple hours and like, love you, believe in you. So so much can come from just having somebody be kind to you and like, I'm going to look at, I'm going to look at some stuff with you. That might be really hard for you, but I'm going to do it with you. but I'm going to do it with you. Like that's so powerful.
Starting point is 00:54:31 And it can turn into, God only knows what that can turn into. Yeah. But for me it turned into I could process with my community what I was dealing with. Otherwise, I don't know what I would have done
Starting point is 00:54:47 if I couldn't make art out of what I was going through. That was a really hard time. Yeah, that's brutal, especially when it feels like there's also that part of you, I would imagine, that's like not wanting to necessarily have more and more success, but it's like once you know what you're capable of
Starting point is 00:55:06 and how many people you can reach, to have that limited must be, I mean, frustrating probably isn't even the word. It's like you know you have a communal relationship here. And to be cut off from that must feel, again, it's just like a roadblock to your mission. Yeah, and I just want to, I just like kind of feel like I'm meant to be of like,
Starting point is 00:55:26 fucking silly goose service. Yeah, silly goose service. That's what pop. Curious what you're like, you love pop. We love. You love pop. What's your favorite pop song of all time?
Starting point is 00:55:38 Of all time? Oh my God, that's so hard. I'm gonna say... I'm like up there. It doesn't have you of all time. Just like when you like. I'm gonna say dancing on my own by Robin
Starting point is 00:55:44 is a generational moment. I would say bad romance is a generational moment. Oh my God. For me, it was just like, I just loved these big, cathartic choruses. Because you like to scream. I love to scream.
Starting point is 00:55:56 And especially in my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo when I was in high school, like letting it rip because there was something so cathartic about pop. What about for you? All for you by Janet Jackson. Soda Pop by Britney Spears. Whoa, soda Pop. My thing is like effervescent. Wow, yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:19 You know what I mean? Like carbonate, like literally carbonated. All for you is so like, it's just light. and light. It's bright and light. Yeah, okay. I like so see you more clearly now that I know that's your song. Oh, I love that.
Starting point is 00:56:33 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I see you too. Well, you know, I think we kind of present differently than what's our favorite thing. Totally. I don't present as light and, by the way. I don't present. And he is very much deeper than people. I'm secretly really, um, I just love to sit in the room and go to the dark world.
Starting point is 00:56:51 My friends make fun of me. They're like, oh, Matt's going to listen to ballads now. It's just like. I will bring the room down. Like, when I met, when I met karaoke, I'll do foolish games by Jewel. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's who I am. Oh, you have that moody.
Starting point is 00:57:05 So I just like, I like big emotion and I love like sad pop, sad big pop. Sad big pop. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you find chandelier? Love chandelier. Yeah, that's like one of my favorites. And I think my favorite of, um, is a live bike, see ya.
Starting point is 00:57:25 I'm a la That one I was like That song was so And then she goes I'm a la It's like crazy I love someone just pushing it
Starting point is 00:57:35 Screaming Screaming So you're asking us if we're pop People because it's like How do we order to I wanted to like see how you sparkle What are yours? You sparkle now
Starting point is 00:57:47 I feel like everybody hears Like you I tell the whole wide world But the inside of me Sounds like Yeah you're right you're right I will say The first time I heard TikTok, the first time I heard it, I was like, wow, that's like,
Starting point is 00:58:00 that's like a very different. I was like a little confused. Second time I heard it, I was like, oh, that's forever. I was like, the first time I heard it, I was like, I have to round my head around that one. And then suddenly I was just like, this is a movement, not a moment. Can I ask? But like, is, I've always linked you and peaches together. I love peaches.
Starting point is 00:58:20 I love peaches. She's the best. Like, I feel like Peaches and Beastie Boys makes toys. sense to me for you. Totally. You know what I mean? Just like it's, I'm not going to give a fuck. Because both you and Peaches can fucking sing.
Starting point is 00:58:32 Peaches doesn't really sing as much as we would like her to. Peaches sang the way we were on this podcast. Okay. Sorry, go ahead. She sang the way we were. Oh, stop. So we went out to Berlin to do a show in Berlin and Peaches was our guest. And we were like, talk.
Starting point is 00:58:46 She's so cool. Yeah. And we were just talking about like, you know, vocals we don't usually hear from her. And she fully started singing Barbara. Barbara. And we were like. do this. It was really great.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Oh my God. I used to go out to, so like, before TikTok. Yes. I used to go out to Pappy and Harriet's with like the homies. And do you know in Joshua Tree? Do you know this dive bar? Okay, this is where I did my first photo shoot for the cover of animal. It was at this dive bar in the middle of the desert in Joshua Tree.
Starting point is 00:59:20 It's like a biker bar. and it's like where I first ate mushrooms. I saw spaceships. Like a lot has happened at this place. It's amazing. There's a picture of me like on a motorcycle with the glitter on the face. Yes. Like the first photo shoot I ever did for the cover was like there.
Starting point is 00:59:40 What's the point of the story? Peaches or. Peaches. Yes. Okay. And there's like this whole crew of like very cool, very punk rock people. that would always go out and like there were mushrooms happening you know it was a vibe it's in the desert it was in the desert it was like a little trashy it was a little dangerous it was kind of crazy
Starting point is 01:00:05 but i grew up like in the same circles as peaches and i just always totally looked up to her because she's so cool and i actually i don't know if you all know this but i was like a real life writer punk rocker oh like like I've stuck it tattooed in my lip stop is it still there wow that is clear as day
Starting point is 01:00:31 oh I love that I haven't looked in a hot minute yeah okay it's still there I love that but like so the video for TikTok was filmed at this house it was like right down the street from my house my friend Jules was like I'll walk you home with my knife out
Starting point is 01:00:47 to make sure you get home safe So sweet. That TikTok video was shot actually at his house called The Drunk Tank. And that's where like in the bridge of the TikTok video, if you watch, and I'm like in this shirt and I'm like singing and, you know, you build me up, you break me down. And there's like glitter being thrown. That was the drunk tank.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Wow. And so this whole scene was like also very peaches scene adjacent. Yes. Yes. Punk. It was like truly. Yeah. Like you would sleep in a.
Starting point is 01:01:19 sleeping bag and find like dead animals at the bottom the next day like it was gross like it was disgusting it was very real what kind of animals well a dirty tampon sure stop that's they came alive perfect but like it was a wild time anyways are you saying that the animals came because they smelled the tampon no you did though i'm trying to put it all all together. I want to take these mushrooms. Me too. Have you ever realized your car just doesn't fit your life anymore?
Starting point is 01:01:59 Like maybe you've got a new job or you've moved or your family's grown or maybe you're just ready for something different. Yeah, that new chapter feeling is exciting and sometimes it comes with a new car. When it's time to shop, it can feel overwhelming though. Totally. There are so many options, so many places to look. You could spend weeks bouncing between websites and dealerships trying to figure out what actually works. That's why I always start with Cars.com.
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Starting point is 01:03:25 The ones with huge emotions and even bigger budgets. Where one casting choice can send an entire fandom into crisis. This week on Bestie Listen. We're diving into the chaos of bringing Broadway to the big screen.
Starting point is 01:03:38 From classics to billion dollar blockwester. Sometimes it's a cultural reset. Sometimes it's a breakdown waiting to happen. Stream Bestie Listen on iHeart Radio, Crave, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Michael Rappaport, and my podcast, the I Am Rapaport Stereo podcast, is unlike anyone you've ever heard.
Starting point is 01:04:00 We're a variety show, and if you're looking for strong opinions, funny opinions about sports, entertainment, politics, pop culture, and whatever else catches my attention, then subscribe now. This kid, Jafar Jackson, is as good as Rami Malik as Freddie Mercury, and it's as good as Timothy Shamaulay as Bob Dylan. And I say that with love and respect for both of those actors. And I don't know how many Oscar nominations they give out. I don't know if it's five, six for Best Actor.
Starting point is 01:04:31 150% this kid Jafar Jackson should absolutely positively get nominated for his portrayal as Michael Jackson. Listen to I Am Rap Report on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. What did black music, food, and culture teach us about who we were becoming? 2016 was sort of that last era of monoculture, where we still consumed things in community. From Beyonce and Rihanna. Everybody wanted to be Beyonce. I don't think we'll ever see another Rihanna. To soul food, memory, identity, and the stories we carry through black culture.
Starting point is 01:05:15 What does it mean to be black and eat in America? So we were this group of people. who knew how to work the land, who knew how to live with the land. We make it do what it do. Therapy for Black Girls is bringing together the conversation shaping Black Life right now. You will never make me feel bad for being a Black girl, for being a Black American girl, ever. Therapy for Black Girls is bringing it all to the mic.
Starting point is 01:05:36 Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Munga shit together, and I'm back with a new season of the podcast, Skyline Drive. This time I'm diving into a rabbit hole of peptides, organoids, blood boys, blue zones, and brain replacement to try to understand what this longevity obsession is all about and what it really means to live forever for all of us. I learned about some rad science. I can make a brain for you and then we can test what draw is the best for your brain, as opposed to his brain.
Starting point is 01:06:14 Here are some hard truths. I would expect Indians to age faster, but I didn't. not expected to be almost a four to five year acceleration. And get myself into a world of trouble. I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. Make it look more defined. They say it works.
Starting point is 01:06:33 I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Anyways. Yeah. Have you done acid a bunch? No, I've never done acid. Never?
Starting point is 01:06:47 Never. You got to eat the acid. I actually don't. because you've been through it. No, no, like I feel like I'm on acid all the time. Your perception point. The whole point of that album is my mom said don't eat acid. And I said, okay.
Starting point is 01:07:05 Already did. God gave me his acid. Literally, don't eat it. Don't need it. I feel like I am a walking psychedelic trip as is. This is actually perfect because we have friends who have, have, like, been the chaperone during our trips, and they're like on our wavelength. already because they're like right she's like I'm tripping the entire time our friend Mo I'm gonna tell
Starting point is 01:07:26 the story yeah so we we went upstate to um take acid for the first time we rented a house it was like where was it it was like sort of outside the Hudson Valley it was outside Hudson Valley and so we go there and it's like me bow two of our other friends and that we're gonna take it and then one who's just gonna watch our friend Mo okay and we take the acid I have my breakthrough about half an hour in I don't know maybe it just runs through my body we're all drawing crazy ass pictures I draw a fish woman and I turned her around and I said she's a work in progress like me and then I guess we went out to the tree
Starting point is 01:07:58 do you remember this we were sitting under this tree we're all sitting there we're all connecting like we had just had a crying breakthrough with each other early in the trip early in the trip so we're sitting there and then Mo goes okay everyone I just want to point something out and we're not going to panic there is a brown recluse there's a brown recluse right there next to us right there
Starting point is 01:08:16 and what we're going to do is it's and she goes I don't want anyone to panic but it is the most poisonous spider in North America. Okay. And so what we're going to do is we're going to thank the spider. Oh. And we're so dropped in that we're like, sober as a bell.
Starting point is 01:08:30 That's a bell. We're sitting there. We're like, okay, we're not going to panic. We're not. And so we sit down and we thank the spider. We're like, thank you so much for sparing us. And for everything you're doing for the ecosystem. And for being here, you are a gorgeous being.
Starting point is 01:08:42 Walk up, go over. I think we like fought with big sticks. Yeah. Hours later, the trip ends. Someone pulls out their phone finally. Google's it. Not a brown record. Not a brown record.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Not native to the area. Not poisonous. Not a spider. Not poisonous. It was a dog. It was our friend. But it was just so funny because the person that wasn't on it was like having the most like. Profound.
Starting point is 01:09:07 Mind splitting happening. And so you're you're not even curious as to like what you would be like. What do you think you think you would discover? I think I already know. Yeah. You know. I think I already know. I think I already know.
Starting point is 01:09:20 I think I already know. I get it. I got it. Like, dead ass. Yeah. Like, I want to have, I want to just relax. You know, like, I want foot massages. Someone take me to the Amon.
Starting point is 01:09:35 You know what I mean? Any Amon. I'll take you. Deal. Let's go. I told the story yesterday. I tripped at the Amon. Stop.
Starting point is 01:09:43 Which Ammon Yara? Which one's that one? Chis and Kate goes. Shut the fuck out. And I tripped on the beach. I do need to hang out with you guys more. Yes. I'll babysit you.
Starting point is 01:09:50 Babyset us. I tripped on acid on the beach. I kept ordering full-size pizzas. And I ate them down. Okay, the one acid trip I'm not there for, there's pizza. I'm like, I'm gonna- It was heaven.
Starting point is 01:10:04 This sounds, honestly, this sounds like the life. It was the life. So anyway, we invited. Or no, have the cruise go there. To the Amman. To the Amman. We're taking a cruise to the Amman. Yara.
Starting point is 01:10:19 Yes. New so it's going to be expensive. The tickets are a little pricier. The tickets are a little pricey, but you know, it's the pizza. When you walked on the boat, there was someone dressed as a narwhal hand handing out condoms with my face on
Starting point is 01:10:34 them. Honestly, though. You think I need acid? Oh my God. That's my real life. Is Norwell your favorite animal? I love them. Yeah! I didn't see it was on you. Oh, wow. Really good. What about them, their majesty?
Starting point is 01:10:48 Do you know that's a tooth coming out of their face? Yes, I did know that. And do you know that I collect teeth? You do? No. I do. Send them over. Now you're really getting letters.
Starting point is 01:11:01 What's the teeth about? Well, the teeth started when I became obsessed with my fans. And then someone was like, my child lost their teeth. And I was like, can I have them? Because I want to make jewelry. out of it. And so then I made a necklace, an earring, and then a belt, and then a crown. Yeah, a crown.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Oh, the crown's wild. And then I just started collecting them because it kind of freaks out straight men. Yeah. Anything to keep them away. Oh, my God. I put it by the door. Like vampires. It's like garlic.
Starting point is 01:11:36 So I collect human teeth. What do you think? But so, yeah, and I just started putting it in my, like, yeah, all over my home. Yeah. Just in little, in a little incense burners, jars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:50 Because it's crazy because they are bone. Well, and where are they? You flush them down the toilet? Like, where are they going? I do have a question about that. Where do parents put the teeth? Give them to me.
Starting point is 01:12:02 Anyone here? Give them to cash out. She keeps them? Okay, suddenly the whole room. Everybody is like, I know exactly where my teeth are. Can I have your teeth, please? Can I actually have them and it's not a drill and it's not a joke.
Starting point is 01:12:18 If everyone brings in their teeth, she's a pop star and she needs your teeth. That's a real culture number eight. She's a pop star and she needs your teeth. If y'all want to bring in your teeth, we can put them in an envelope or something and send them off. Y'all bring your own stamps. Because I ain't going to get stamps. No. They might be heavy.
Starting point is 01:12:37 They might be heavy. The teeth. Okay, I think we have to do, I don't think so, honey. It's time to transition into our classic iconic segment where we take a minute to sort of go. off on something that's bugging us and we're going to go first okay okay we'll go first and then you'll go I have something so we're recording this um the day app the two days after we were at the Tony Awards and I have a a realization about someone who was there but not featured prominently enough wow yeah oh this will be exciting this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey no rosy O'Donnell coming out at the Tony's
Starting point is 01:13:12 you're right oh my God and I feel like Rosie O'Donnell was at the Tony's it wouldn't it have been an amazing moment she now lives in Scotland she doesn't come to America. Ireland. Yeah, yeah. Same difference. But you got to put Rosie O'Donnell on stage when you can because she was right about everything from the beginning and we've done Rosie so dirty.
Starting point is 01:13:30 And it's just a countless story of the way we treat women. But Rosie O'Donnell was a legend and an icon always. And I feel like we were robbed of a moment where she comes out. Obviously, whoever presented Best Musical, great. But Rosie O'Donnell was the theater queen. She did so much for Broadway theater when she had a. show. She even had like off, off Broadway shows come and perform on the Rosie O'Donnell show. And I just feel like she was in the building and it was either that she wasn't asked to present or maybe she didn't want to.
Starting point is 01:13:59 I would say if she wasn't asked, shame. And if she didn't want to, Rosie, I just would have loved to have seen it. But I want you to make your own decisions. And my decision here today is say, I don't think so, honey, there was not enough Rosie O'Donnell at the Tony Awards. And she was in the building. And that's one minute. I think she would have done it because she was doing the carpet. I'm just saying. Why wasn't Rosie O'Donnell? Rosie on stage. That is so, you're so right. And I was a Rosie O'Donnell kid. I mean, love.
Starting point is 01:14:24 But I was on, I was playing a show that night, so I missed the drama. There was no drama. It was just that she was fully there and I was like, oh, she must be presenting and that'll be so amazing to see. Like, give her her moment. Give her her moment. Yeah, yeah. Like she, people forget, she was in Greece on Broadway.
Starting point is 01:14:42 She was Marty in Greece. Okay. She was rapping to commercials for Kmart. What? This woman is an legend. She was rapping. Big K. Like she was just like doing.
Starting point is 01:14:54 Like that's all I remember. This is before Big K was ketamine. Oh, you gay guys? Is Kmart still exist? No. No, I don't think so. That would be a good grocery store to like Hostel takeover.
Starting point is 01:15:06 Kmart. Yeah. Oh my God. Vintage hostel. Vintage hostel. Blue ramen. Pop rocks. Get me your teeth.
Starting point is 01:15:16 Pasta. Yeah. Anyways, I'm trying. You're silly silly, Goose Mill. I'm so happy about Gospel of the Goose.
Starting point is 01:15:23 I'm gonna use it now. Many, many times. This is huge. You're Rick Rubining us. I love that. Are you part of the cult? I'm part of the cult. We were a part of the cult.
Starting point is 01:15:33 We are the crazy people. I know one thing that's actual, that it has been bothering me. All right, but this is your moment for it. This is Bowen Yang's out I don't think so honey. His time starts now.
Starting point is 01:15:41 I don't think so honey, everyone all of a sudden calling out, quote unquote, vocal fry. No, no, Someone on TikTok probably taught someone like people this recently and now everyone's like on any queer person or woman speaking, they're like, timid vocal fry.
Starting point is 01:15:58 It's fine. Actually, when a guy does it, it's like authoritative. And then when anyone else does it, it feels like it's fucking like it's, it's just another weird femphobic thing, I feel. And like, I don't know. It's just a timbre. You're not mad about vocal fry. You're just mad that like, there's a way of speaking that's been popularized by like people who aren't guys.
Starting point is 01:16:22 You know what I mean? Like, everyone sounds crazy if you think about it. There's no such thing as a normal voice. We all have crazy voices. Mine's a little nasally. Sure, there's a vocal fry in there somewhere. But ultimately, I kind of speak normal sauce. Five seconds.
Starting point is 01:16:36 I feel like I speak normal sauce. Sure, there's a fax in every now and then. But for the most part, I'm talking normal. And that's one minute. I'm just noticed just clock it next time you like are doing something like public facing and we know this all too well
Starting point is 01:16:51 with the word like people who are like you say like too much it's the most boring thing to say at this point and it does feel like there's it's coded and there's literally every other language in the modern world there are filler words and emphasis like
Starting point is 01:17:07 like and yeah exactly yeah right I missed the drama with the vocal fry me too actually I think they hated it since, I mean, the dawn of my time in the world of public. Right. But I think there's been a resurgence in Vocal Frye sort of like... Hatred. Where I'm like, wait, why are we caring about this all of a sudden?
Starting point is 01:17:26 Also, it's not a big deal. Is it a real thing? Do we care? I don't think we care. I remember my choir teacher in high school being like, don't talk in Volk Fry. I'm like, but why? It's fun. I'm choosing to.
Starting point is 01:17:39 I feel like I kind of made a career out of talking in Vocal Frye, to be honest. You need a career in so many things. Honestly. All right. It's time. Okay, I've never done this before. This is Kesha's I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
Starting point is 01:17:56 I don't really try to get mad about that much stuff. But I'm going to be really mad about this. I think that women should be able to be angry because if you don't like women being angry, then you don't like women being horny. because I think anger and horniness are literally like two sides of the same energetic coin. So if you have that issue, then like... 30 seconds. You're also quite scared of our power.
Starting point is 01:18:28 Oh, yeah. And that's a bummer for you. That emasculates you. Wow. And I do think that like also being jealous also means I'm horny. It means I care. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:18:43 So like a little jealousy never like you should be so lucky if I feel jealous. Five seconds. Honestly, you're welcome. Yes. The fucking end. Yes. And that's one. Jealousy tells you something about yourself.
Starting point is 01:18:58 Absolutely. But you're saying if you're jealous of someone that means you're horny for them? For me. No, if I'm jealous of the person that I'm hooking up with, if they're like flirting with somebody else, it's a good thing. Yeah. It means you really like them. It means I care. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:14 Enough. Exactly. And yeah, guys who are afraid of women being angry, it's like, well, like, you're not going to see them squirt. No, my God. Where do you think the squirting comes from? The root shocker. The root fucking chakra in the red, bitches, yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:32 Peltic floor. Peltic floor. Motherfuckers. Damn. Peltic floor of doom. Come see me. I'll show you what's up. Wow, you ate that.
Starting point is 01:19:44 Did I? Yeah. Okay, work. I just went on like a, I don't know. And what did I even do? Rosie O'Donnell. Oh, right. I agree with myself from a minute ago.
Starting point is 01:19:56 I didn't know she wrapped for game art. That is very kind of, I love that. She did it all. She did it all. She wrapped for Kmart and all I could, the only bar I could come up with was Big K. Well, this has been an incredible conversation. I am so happy. Me too.
Starting point is 01:20:11 We have been such huge fans of yours when we knew this was happening. It just, it's just one of those moments where, again, like, super formative for us. And, like, I think so many people, like, that have gotten to know your music over the years, you hold such a special place. So we can't wait to see the Freedom Tour. And I can't believe I missed it at Jones Beach. Like, that would have been so fine.
Starting point is 01:20:34 It was crazy. Oh, my God. I'm an islander. It was like a wall of humans. It was crazy. It's so great. It's like crazy. You guys have to come for real.
Starting point is 01:20:44 Yeah. It's crazy. Stay tuned for the Cascha Cruz, perhaps. The Kmart. The Kmart. Kmart. Oh my God, wait, wait, there's pop rocks. Oh my God, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, bring it.
Starting point is 01:20:57 How did you do this? Oh, my God. Wait, let's shoot them. Oh, my God. Let's shoot them. All right. Because you were over there waving them to me. I thought when you were waving a phone.
Starting point is 01:21:09 I'm like, yes. you know, you can get a picture. I'm like, fucking relax. I was like, we are the crazy people. Wait, do we, wait, how do we, do we like race to shoot that? Do we mix them in the Celsius? Like, what are we doing? All right.
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Starting point is 01:22:21 Bill, why is my eye twitching? Does this mean I'm in perimenopause? Where's my phone? Julianna, maybe we can ask an actual human. Yes, because I have questions. And I bet you do too. Like, is it normal to sleep in separate bedrooms? We do that.
Starting point is 01:22:34 And I still need to know why my poop's been green. We've got actual people answering these exact questions. Listen to Bill and Juliana. The podcast. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. When Democrats are messing up, I say it. When Republicans are messing up, I say it. I'm S.E. Cup, a journalist and political commentator.
Starting point is 01:22:58 And on my podcast, Off the Cup, I help you make sense of the often nonsensical news. I do this on cable news, too, but on my podcast, I can really let loose and be my honest, unfiltered self. I just want to talk about something that happened this week because it's so. bonkers. So stupid. Such incredibly bad politics. We have to talk about it. Come for the hot takes. Stay for the sanity. Listen to off the cup on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here at the Happiness Lab, we're serving up some hot takes for the summer, big ideas that just might reshape how you think about your well-being, like the radical notion that we should get rid of small talk completely. We talk about current events. We talk about what you do
Starting point is 01:23:40 for a living, but not do you love what you do for a living? Is this your dream job? For more surprising ideas backed by psychological science, check out our new series, Happiness Hot Takes. Listen to the Happiness Lab with me, Dr. Laurie Santos, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Munga Chitigula, and I'm back with a new season of my podcast, Skyline Drive. This time I talked to scientists, biopunks, curmudgins, blues owners, super seniors, and Goa's top cryotherapy lab to try to understand this obsession with living forever and what it means for all of us. And I get into a bit of trouble along the way.
Starting point is 01:24:17 I'd say probably start bone smashing. That doesn't work. To make it look more defined. They say it works. I don't know. Listen to Skyline Drive, How to Live Forever on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

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