Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Issues At Hand" (w/ Dylan Marron)

Episode Date: October 17, 2016

So listen, honey! Bowen is going to China for two weeks. Matt is sojourning to Universal Studies. What do The Culturistas do when they’re facing a recording hiatus? They invite DYLAN MARRON (Seriously.TV, Welcome To Night Vale) onto the show to talk about THE ISSUES AT HAND! Cultural warm-up topics include Frozen, Live TV musicals, Academy Award spreadsheets — and later, they turn to the 2016 election…and get INTO IT. This one’s brimming with quotable moments y’all, so get listening and share LC with the culturistas in your life!LAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That doesn't make sense. A.K.A. the left. The left is my beautiful friend, Matt Rogers. Guys, you think I'm beautiful? I think you're beautiful. Guys, this is a sad announcement. This is going to be the last episode for a few weeks. I am... Even I was

nervous there. I was like, what are you saying? Oh, no, no, no. I just mean we're going on an even more extended hiatus. Well, Bowen is about to embark on a little trip. Go ahead. Tell them about it. I'm embarking on a trip to the beautiful climes of China. And it's going to be a couple weeks.

And then I'm back end of the month, end of October. So then we'll resume Las Colas Reyes. And I, myself, am going on my own trip tomorrow. And where will that be? I'm going to Orlando, girl. And you knew where I was going. Because you know I only vacation in one spot. Orlando, bitch. I only vacation in one spot Orlando bitch

I only go to Orlando on vacation I've been to Europe once earlier in the year didn't love it now that I did it I'm good we'll go to Orlando for the rest of my life my boyfriend Henry it'll be his first time at the Universal Orlando Resort and I

am ready great I'm really excited about it actually I've been I've been I haven't I have the app and I am ready. Great. I'm really excited about it, actually. I have the app, and I've been looking at the wait times. I've been doing my research. This will be the first time I do Halloween Horror Nights. Which is super scary. I scare very easily, but I'm braving it. Well, wow. That's so exciting for both of us.

I'm excited, girl. And guys, we have an indelible guest with us this week. And literally, we were like, we're not going to have an episode for a long time. Who can we get as a guest that'll be a true goddamn home run? Home run, a draw, honey. A draw. You know him. You know him.

He's a writer correspondent on Seriously TV. With amazing, amazing series such as Unboxing or Shutting Down Bullshit. Shutting Down the Bullshit, baby. Oh, it's incredible. He's also Carlos on the Seminal Podcast. Welcome to Night Vale. And he's the creator of

the brilliant, brilliant, brilliant series, Every Single Word. Guys, give it up for Dylan Maron! Hello, Dylan. Hi, guys. Dylan, I hello dylan hi guys i love you oh i love you i truly love you guys i feel like a fangirl of you guys it's an honor to be here guys we haven't had our wine yet cheers oh we have some red wine let's talk about the brand of red wine we have it's called la flora more la flora more the flower of love. It's Pinot Noir.

Probably bottled last month. It's a celebratory night because we have Dylan on. I'm so excited that you're here. I'm so excited to be here. Really, really. How are you? I'm good. Thank you for asking.

I have the cold that's going around to every single human. Oh, my God. I've been willing it away. Because it can't ruin my Orlando trip. It won't. Nothing. What can ruin an Orlando trip? Nothing.

Well. All right. When I was six, I was going to go to Disney World for the first time. And I got sick. And I tried to hide it from my parents for so long. Because I didn't want them to know. And they were thinking about canceling the trip. Because of your sickness? And then ultimately I pulled through.

All right, good. I was going to say, I was hanging on a moment there. That was Joseph Campbell hero's journey shit. It was. Literally, I stopped breathing. Did he go? I thought for a second that you've one of those people that have never been to disney world no no no i've been to disney world when i was six

i went back to disney world when i was 12 you haven't been since but here's the arc so much for you here's the arc of disney world for you um as you grow older you go for the first time as a kid uh it's the most amazing mind-blowing thing in the world magic yeah and then maybe maybe some people are privileged enough to go this is for me at least speaking for myself you go back when you're like middle school and you're like you think you're above it and you don't you purposefully don't enjoy it and then you go back as an adult and it's the best and it kills see i haven't been as an adult. I watched with bated breath your series Four Nights in Orlando. Wow, thank you.

And the work was terrific. I mean, you know... Thank you. Let me tell you. So I'll be going to Universal Orlando. Yes. I am not going Disney World because I have some beef with Disney World.

And meanwhile... I feel like it's just not... Walt Disney being a racist? Is that... Well, Walt Disney being a racist, racist you know and also anti-semitic yeah yeah the same thing venn diagram well yeah i'm sure he was like in i'm sure he was extremely racist but like i feel like his claim to his claim to fame for me is his anti-semitism the rumor is that he was buried in nazi regalia oh this is a rumor right but i think sure i think someone told me that and i think they're credible you just you just went with the i think sudi told me that and we trust sudi i trust her okay well you'll be

at universal i'll be at disneyland sh. Yeah, where it's a little different. It's a little different. It's the biggest of the Disney parks. Oh, yes. It's the single biggest. Like, it's not as big as Disney World. They've got a really cool Tron roller coaster that you have to do. Yeah.

You have to report back to me on how it is. And they've got a Soarin' there, too, but it's Soarin' over the U.S., over America. You guys do, I understand, but you guys do roller coasters i'm not a roller coaster person i am okay and you know okay is it because you're not you get nauseous or it's because uh no you're scared it's fear yeah um i don't get nauseous although i i went on a vacation with my husband last summer and we saw the craziest, craziest ride. Where was it? It was in Paris.

Oh. And it was at this. It wasn't this like brick and mortar fair amusement park. It was like a setup. And basically you were strapped into a seat and you started spinning on its axis. No. And then it was on this long thing. Yes, I've seen those things.

Oh, I can't do those carnival rides. No, right. So I decided when, because I know that my husband loves roller coasters, that I was like, you know what? If he says that it looks fun, like I'm going to challenge myself to do it. I cried. No, Dylan, I'm so sorry. you know what if he says that it looks fun like i'm gonna challenge myself to do it i cried no no i liked it oh what this is like my stock this is another this is another joseph campbell yeah i know no i i involuntarily teared because the fear was so much you were like anticipation like the anxiety and it's also a

lot of adrenaline to my stomach like it's like yeah it just drops but you loved it zero i loved it and it was easier when we like oh god but eventually we started going backwards you know what i mean like like like it's dipping down and it's much easier to go backwards for your stomach. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. And then I just like gritted my teeth the whole time. Sure.

Yeah. I mean, it's, I can't do anything that really flips you around. Like, cause I'll get very nauseous and I'm very, my body is very sensitive to like the manipulation of like G forces. Yeah. Like whenever I like really kind of getting like fucked around but i mean i love to go fast and i love to be very high oh we see that's the thing like i will i will love a tower of terror or like a drop tower kind of thing those are those are fun for me

so terror you're a fan so how are you feeling oh let me tell you dylan it's really tough and so just for everyone that's listening I feel bad for everybody out there in California because your Disneyland's Tower of Terror is getting changed people it's becoming Guardians of the Galaxy a movie that Bowen and I walked the fuck

out of that's right we got bored of it 100% because what was that movie did you see it yeah i did you not only did i see it well no but like i don't really i'm not a huge fan of any of these like franchise movies where it's so obvious that they're just selling you like the the fan service oh yeah to a brand yeah yeah and it's like marvel where it's like and don't get me wrong i love superhero movies but marvel only feels like you're in a gift shop you know and they're just

like what it is because marvel is now disney's and disney is only about the bottom line yeah totally disney will never do anything of quality again but but i feel like disney is in their like name brand stuff they're really good at masking it you know so like finding dory i'm like oh yes i'm there but you saw it oh finding dory did you like it yes i was so let down no i couldn't even bring myself wow no no no finding nemo i cry and without fail every time i see oh my god finding dory i was like all right finding dory i sobbed what when what part oh my god okay spoiler alert when she when she meets them again yeah okay when she meets that was beautiful oh my god but then the rest of it was like also chosen family it's a's a queer Disney. Oh, it is a queer Disney movie. You're right.

You're right. Wow. That's how I read. Oh, okay. Well then Dylan is just a little more sophisticated than, um, I'm just saying I didn't even,

I literally didn't even watch a trailer for it. I was like, I'm wow. Wow. Wow. It's a weird thing that happens with me where like when a new animated movie is about to come out, I, wow it's a weird thing that happens with me where like when a new animated movie is about to come out i something about me already inherently wants to avoid every new animated movie i know big hero six the second i saw the trailer for it i was like i hate this why and then honestly when i actually

sit down and see them i do sort of like them but there's something about animated movies like i don't know what it is. I can't diagnose myself. Once I see that there's an animated movie coming out, I'm like, already, man. Wait, that's... No, you didn't... I don't know why. You didn't justify that. I reject that because you're like, there's something about this whole swath of entertainment that I don't like, but I don't know what it is.

I don't accept. And I'm telling you, I wish to be told what's wrong. Because there's something going on where I'm really only excited if I know it's a musical. That's what it is. Oh, okay. Diagnosed. If it's a musical, I'm all about. I knew Frozen was going to be a musical, so I was like, yeah, of course Frozen. But also Frozen isn't that good.

Shut up, Owen. Yep, sorry. Frozen 2, who's excited? Elsa gets a girlfriend. No, come on is that happening no i mean but adina manziel said she's for it oh right right right that was like i'll do anything that makes me money frozen is also a queer narrative i will appreciate that frozen is a queer i mean it's so liberal what we call a queer narrative because we're like love between

sisters we're like we'll take care Anything to women saying they love each other. The first time we saw Frozen, we were with a bunch of gay men. It was us and Dave Mazzoni and Sudi. And we were all, yeah, so all the gay men. So we were all there watching it and like it was all gays. And literally like we were all just kind of watching it, enjoying it, and then let it go happen. And everyone was like, yes yes you better work girl you better let the rain fall or whatever it was yeah and the rainfall then you better let the rainfall grow up

but um then i saw it with a bunch of kids and it was just different. That's interesting. They were like, you transvex. So I saw it twice in the same holiday weekend. Oh, good. Once with my husband's family in California and once with my husband's family in Seattle. Two different families. Oh, with the same family. Because they both wanted to see it so badly. Yeah.

And there are many. Did Todd see it with you twice too? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, just dealing with his family both times. I don't know. It was all the kids it was like to bring the kids okay and because we were around kids um we couldn't

exclaim like that during let it go so todd and i just whispered to each other yes bitch as she started building her ice castle which is beautiful there's a moment there's a moment towards the end where she's like walking her balcony, and she's serving her shoulders. She's giving her face, giving a mug, giving the hair comes down. Sleeves, girl. It's all about the sleeves. It's all about the sleeves. Dylan, were you going to say something about the ice castle?

It is a beautiful moment. I love the ice castle. Okay, guys. Were you going to say something? I love it. Guys, I feel like a crazy person for saying this, but one of my favorite, not only just animated movies, but all-time movies, girl, is Wreck-It Ralph. You've said this before.

No. Honestly. You hated it? No, I haven't seen it. I just wanted to cast judgment. You, I think you would love this movie. Wreck-It Ralph? Another queer narrative.

He's an outcast. Oh. That's all it takes. It's a perfectly- He doesn't have friendsIt Ralph? Another queer narrative. He's an outcast. Yeah, that's all it takes. It's a perfectly... He doesn't have friends, right? He's queer. He's gay. It's a perfectly good movie, but it's... It's genius.

It's just funny to me that you think that that's more creative and forward thinking than something like Monsters, Inc. Because let me tell you what my problem with Wreck-It Ralph is, and then you can respond. Wreck-It Ralph had the opportunity to expose us to so many different worlds. Which it did. It exposed us to, like, three worlds, Bowen. You get, like, the Sarah Silverman go-kart world that they're in. You get the Wreck-It Ralph world.

And then, I mean... The Jane Lynch, like, years of war. The Jane Lynch, Halo-type world. But then, I mean... The Jane Lynch... The Jane Lynch Halo type world. But then there's not much else. I wanted to see the narrative progress through all the different kinds of worlds. Oh, it's such a good movie. But all right.

I don't think it's as good as Monsters, Inc. Keep jerking off to Monsters, Inc. Dylan, let's ask the question we ask all of our guests. Well, you didn't even give Dylan an opportunity to... Dylan, were you going to say something? I was just going to say I remembered another amazing Pixar movie

that did go into all the worlds. What? It was Inside Out. Inside Out? Inside Out, actually? Oh, you didn't like it, but meanwhile... No, no, no. It's not that I didn't like it. I just was going to say it's more controversial than people think. Like, there are people out there that really don't like Inside Out. Sure. Why? I don't get it. Because

they find it basic. Nicole Conlon said that. Nicole Conlon said that when she was on the show, and I was like, I kept my mouth shut, but I cried. That's another movie that I cried. I don't get it. Because they find it basic. Nicole Conlon said that when she was on the show, and I was like, I kept my mouth shut, but I cried. That's another movie that I cried. I don't love Inside Out either. I love it. Oh, boy. I love it.

Thank you, Dylan. Well, I'm wrong. Okay, Dylan, we're going to ask you one more question. Two against one. That means I'm wrong. Just so everyone knows, when you're outvoted, it means you're wrong. So remember that on November 8th. Okay, let's ask Dylan what we ask all of our guests.

What was the culture growing up for you that made you think, culture's for me? When did Dylan and Aaron decide, culture? I'm interested in that. Culture's for me. And we're talking books, TV shows, movies.

But it's open to interpretation. Video games, whatever you want. It doesn't have to be any of those things either. Could be your mom's cooking, you know? It was the moment in The Witches when Angelica Houston took off her cape. And it went from her purple clutch to a dress. That is so specific and beautiful. Well, it's amazing.

And that mixed with the poster of the witches and the poster of, you know, you know, those things when the poster is just so good that you stare at it for a while. Yes, I do. And you project onto it what, what movie you want it to be. Yes, absolutely. It was the movie I wanted it to be. Thank God. And that was the that's like when I started my obsession with all of this stuff.

And then I was that kid who like I had copious Nate Silver style Academy Award spreadsheets for Nate Silver for Nate Silver pre Nate Silver. But yeah, it was pre-nate silver and and it's funny because that was like i know i'm jumping around here but this is this is my second which is that um you know you don't hear like i didn't see people making academy awards spreadsheets but it's like when you're alone in your room you're like i must yeah and you're like i will make i like researched all of the awards that don't even get televised or get written up. BAFTAs. BAFTAs.

Sorry, I'm going to start a Kickstarter for the BAFTAs to get televised. You're like National Board of Review top ten, honey. Yes. And it was really hard to put. Anytime there was a tie, it really upset me. Oh, it's bullshit. Because I had to add another row. Yeah.

Oh, sure. So you literally... Formatting was an issue. You kept the statistics of what the precursors were saying all year round. And so you could... And so I would...

You would see years like the year that Ellen Burstyn won everything, but then Julia Roberts won the big ones for Erin Prokofievich. Yes. What was Ellen Burstyn in that year, in 2000?

Requiem for a Dream. Of course. We're sisters about this baby. I used to do the same thing. We talked about this last episode. This was like what our last episode was about. It was prognosticating Oscars specifically. We had Brandon Scott Jones on it.

Oh my God. And then we all Rain Man-ed like the years like, what was the best picture in 1994? Oh, that. Let's try that. Let's do it again. We did this last time. Let's do it again. This is repeat content.

No. It's repeat content, but if you could do it, the viewers will let me the viewers shall i work backwards come on come on okay you want to walk backwards okay so walk backwards or i could do okay so like this year best pic we were you want to take the best picture or best yeah so the spotlight spotlight bird man um okay let's see 12 years a slave yes which is the one thing people hold on to when they're like, film isn't racist. They're like, 12 Years a Slave, what? Okay, so then. You're not even thinking numerically about this. This is 2011.

12 Years a Slave was 2014. Okay, sorry. And then 2013. No, Hurt Locker was 2010. My God, it's been such a long time. It has been a long time. It been it has been a long time it was the one that was not zero dark 30 no so before that this is so hard now all of a sudden it's like a very male movie oh argo argo yeah no yes yes yes yes it was argo so 12 years a slave then

argo before that and no reason no wonder why you forget it because it sucks. Before Argo was The King's Speech. Before The King's Speech was The Hurt Locker. Before The Hurt Locker was 2009. 2011, The Artist. No, no, no. It was The Artist, Argo, The Artist, The King's Speech, Hurt Locker. And then now we're in 2009.

This is Slumdog Millionaire. Slumdog. 2008, No Country for Old Men. Yes. It's the year Dreamgirls wasn't nominated. Crash? No. No, Crash was 2006.

Before Slumdog Millionaire. I think No Country for Old Men was the Dreamgirls year. Yeah. No Country for Men was after. Dreamgirls year was oh man what maybe i should pull it out that was the year of babble and babble was definitely the year of rinko because because i remember that jennifer hudson was up there with rinko and adriana yes yeah yeah yeah and um little miss sunshine was also nominated that year but i know no country

for old men was before but what was the year of dream girls i think that was that year it was crash i don't think so no crash was broke back broke back crash was broke back well i'm gonna look it up right now look it up my love but so the while while we're looking this up the point is i mean we all share this yeah and so what is it? Did you explore this? It's gay competition. It's gay sports. It's because we all have this instinct to see what's going to win. It's something about American culture, I think.

And you know what it is? I'm reading Phoebe Robinson's book right now, You Can't Touch My Hair. It's so good. And her first, her opening chapter is a love letter to award shows. But then she sort of turns it around and she's like but you know what like the reason i was so obsessed with that is because i wanted to be on that stage and i saw and she was like but like it it never made that was my only like escape into my ego of being like i can be this fabulous person who's on stage and like maybe that was it for me was and for for both of us and we talked about this last episode

for both of us it was the 97 oscars with when titanic won that was like like maybe that was it for me was and for both of us and we talked about this last episode for both of us it was the 97 Oscars when Titanic won that was like the big that was the seed that got planted for us that like got the obsession I have the result of what it was and you know why we forgot it it's because it's another fucking washed out white man movie The Departed oh

what a shame what a fame what a shame what a shame what a fame what a fame listen to this crash. What a shame. What a shame. What do you think I said? What a fame. What a fame. Listen to this bullshit. Years and years and years in a row. We've got fucking The Departed and then Crash before that year, which is a cop out. Million Dollar Baby, which is like a last minute Clint Eastwood cop out.

Return of the King. Return of the King. Chicago. Then Chicago. Chicago. Which like, thank Christ. I saw it five times in theaters I memorized the whole fucking dance at the end

Oh my god With the guns He does have it Dylan I have to ask you a question Because this was a big controversial moment In our last episode Oh my god please Thoughts on Moulin Rouge

Oh Wow You're outing me What what are you You don't like it Uh oh uh oh You better go you hate it worse what you've never seen it oh Dylan stop stop that's not that's not irreprehensible so here is what I have seen 50 times the opening number of sparkling diamonds if you want to talk about moments like culture took my breath away.

So this sounds bad, right? This sounds bad as someone who considers himself to be an artist. But I watched it and I got bored. So instead of finishing it, I watched the scene with the swing over and over and over again. Past the time when the movie would be.

The French are glad to die for love. And then she comes down. That's an amazing moment. Yeah. But I, no, you know what? I don't blame Dylan for this because our culture is so fragmented now. And I have trouble sitting through movies. I have trouble sitting through shows.

I don't like to sit through movies. I find them long. But I don't understand not at least watching Moulin Rouge to be like, I gotta fucking see what the rest of this fever dream is gonna be. It's a fever dream. Okay. It's all a fever dream. Well, that is homework for you then.

Yeah. You need to sit through Moulin Rouge. I mean, Dylan Maron. I know. I know. We're talking to Dylan Maron and he's not seen it. I haven't seen The Sound of Music though. work for you then yeah you need a sit-through moulin rouge i mean you gotta marin i know i know we're talking to dylan marin and he's not seen i haven't seen the sound of music though so oh you made a post about it um henry hadn't seen the bodyguard right i said i it it when he when he told me that he hadn't seen the body you've never seen the bodyguard i know all the songs i

of course listen to listened to the soundtrack. The soundtrack is, like, the most important part. It truly isn't. It's about... Okay, all right. It's about... Kevin and... It's about Kevin and Whitney.

Kevin and Whitney. No, it's not. But you know what, though? That is an amazing, amazing film. It's incredible. She's a good actress? She's totally serviceable. She is... Her and Cinderella? She's totally serviceable.

Her in Cinderella, she's fantastic in Cinderella. She's not distracting in any way. No, she's a phenomenal actress. I wouldn't say phenomenal. Yes, I think she's great. The actor who played her sister, she was the showstopper. Yeah, she killed. You need to watch it. I just thought it was unusual that Henry hadn't seen

the bodyguard, but then I was like, oh, so to put it to perspective, I haven't seen this We all have our holes. We all have our blind spots. But the bodyguard

is so fucking good. Okay, well, so is Sound of Music. It's such a gay classic. No, no, no. No, you know, this is what happened. Matt and I,

this is a historic moment. Matt and Sudi came over to my apartment back when the Sound of Music Live was airing on NBC. And we were like, Oh God, we got to tune in for this fucking train wreck.

And then my DVR wasn't working. And then Matt like did a terrible job of hiding his disappointment and disdain. And so then we were like, you know what? On brand for me. We were like, all right, let's just sue.

And we're like, yeah, let's just watch the original sound of music. Cause Matt's never seen it. We put it on. Matt falls asleep within the first 30 minutes oh i it i think it was adrenaline no because i was so excited to see the carrie version and then when that didn't happen you missed the performance of a life by audra by carrie by carrie

i mean come on did you guys hear um so there was all that kind of back and forth between fans and people in the know. Should there be a live audience for these live musicals or not? Yes. And now they have made the decision there will be. For Hairspray or for Rock and Roll? For Hairspray. I think for both, there's going to be a live audience for both. Why didn't they learn from Legally Blonde when they aired it on MTV.

MTV. I remember that so well. Which was like totally fine and great. It was good. Yeah, I loved it. But it was much better than what they're doing now. It's so awkward, those silent moments. To be honest with you, I was pro no audience.

Until The Wiz? Until I saw it. Because I was like, well, the thing is like you wanted them, you want everyone at home to see the, the show, but then it is, it's, it's more interesting.

It's like half movie, half show. Right. Yeah. No, I, I'm, I've come around.

It feels, it feels a little too, it feels a little too mid century or even like before that. It's like, Oh, like when it was all in a soundstage. No, I've come around on this.

Did you like Greece? Was that dynamic enough for you? Since won over Lemonade at the Emmys? That was bizarre. What a tragedy. Because how different were they? I think that's the Hamilton mafia. I think that these things are so bizarre. That was, yeah, it was directed by the guy who directed Hamilton.

Right, right, right, right. I didn't like Grease Live. Because you were? Because I was just disengaged and I was tired. And yeah, and I was, you know what? I was with my friend Mateo and my friend Amanda and we were both just like, you know what? We were just going into it being like dour

and that's probably like unfair. Yeah, that absolutely is unfair and it's absolutely why you didn't enjoy it because it was perfectly fine. That might be a comment on our viewing practices now. Well, it's interesting to me, because whenever anyone has anything negative to say about these live musicals, there's something about me that's like, come on, man. They're trying so hard. I know, I know.

People had all this, Henry had all this negative shit to say about queen latifah and i was like i love her the woman's doing like a live musical she's like performing this is like for kids like for the whiz and i was just like nah i was like i think that this is really fun and like also like we all collectively felt that about the whiz specifically because it was like really cool to just see an all-black cat absolutely but then i will go in on peter pan oh yeah for sure for sure that's the thing is that i i've come into this with a preconceived notion that these are gonna be failures because the first two were bad and so the whiz was so refreshing because it was good

and oh dana owens gotta love queen i'm really excited for hairspray me too i think it's gonna be great hairspray is awesome did you see it on uh you ever see it live yes and i in fact joe firestone and i went in do you know the muni in st louis of course so we went to see it at the muni oh my god it was fantastic it was incredible that's great college days uh college days that's that's a good and i i got funnel cake fried funnel cake fries oh my god please describe what okay not nearly as good as you would imagine okay but basically so imagine funnel cake yeah now put it into rectangles like like little strips of strips deep fried double deep fried okay and then the dipping

sauce okay you're thinking french fries so you're thinking ketchup right now take the ketchup out and put in cream frosting anyway so i sat and ate many orders of that while joe and i watched um hairspray live phenomenal um but yeah i love hairspray yeah that's like that's gonna be fun i think rocky's gonna be great too oh yeah yeah yeah rocky rocky all on the, I think, a weaker cast than Hairspray does. Like, it's like Victoria Justice. Sure. I mean, Hairspray, you got Ariana Grande. I think Ariana Grande is going to be so good as Penny.

She's going to be great. She's going to be good. But the star is Tracy Turnblad, so I can't wait to see what she does. Yeah, I think she's going to be great. I really do. The star is going to be Tracy. And it's that new girl. It's always a new discovery.

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Yeah. A lot of garbage. And I know that your job at seriously, like, like entails that you tackle a lot of this garbage. Yeah. Um, how do you,

how are you doing? How do you approach it with like the, the amount of levity that is required of your tone of voice for the whole site or for the whole, you know, channel. Like, God, that must be so wearing. Like that must wear you out. I think the way I always think about it is that these are like the hardest issues to talk about. But you have to make it accessible for people yes and i i've come i've like worked in many worlds and existed in many worlds where it's had to where we're like the

way you talk to someone is like to teach them and it's very dry and it's very boring didactic exactly that's the perfect word and it's too didactic. And then, but like, if you like go in, if you kind of punch them in the gut, like with a wrench or like, that's, that's if you punch them with a wrench in the gut, that's like the wrong metaphor. Um,

but I, the imagery I mean is like, um, you kind of like the anesthesia is comedy. Yeah. And then the, you perform the surgery. That's how i see it yeah of course oh and and it's like comedy is the way you get people to listen yeah and then and once you disarm them then you can sit them down i mean i i think what i've learned from

doing work on the internet is no matter how no matter what you say no matter how you carefully say it people are going to disagree with you disagreement i love but people are going to be um deeply offended by what you say and i say um you know my who the people who i'm offending are mostly like straight white men yeah yeah yeah so um that's yeah but but i how do i deal with it i don't know i mean i just think it's like all of these waves were riding yeah and you have to turn off at some point. I want to know because we, you know, we spoke with, was it Nicole Silverberg?

We talked about this. She writes for GQ and sometimes she'll get a lot of aggression. Um, I would imagine you get a lot of aggression towards you. Dylan and I have talked about this in private because I had a day and it was, it is, I remember, but it, you know what, compared to what Dylan gets was it is I remember but it you know what compared to what

Dylan gets I get you gets you know Dylan gets projectile right crazy crazy things which is why I ask I want to know like does it offend does it hurt your feelings um I think it you at at first it did right at first you're like oh you want me to die you know like uh i do this unboxing series and one person sent me a message just today that said you should unbox your own suicide and but but so when you first get that it's like, I won't get out of bed, you know? And then you just become numb to it because, but that's not what, but, but, but,

but what I mean is like, and I say this all the time, it's like the day that a collective of women of color is like, you have deeply offended us. I'll be like, I'm doing something wrong. Oh, for sure you know and then but but it's like if you follow all of these people back to their profiles they have

swastikas right and they're calling themselves openly white nationalists so it's like okay so you know what it's like i'm like i'm not yeah i'm not mourning the loss or you're it hurts you're not a fan i'm losing exactly it hurts your feelings at first because it's hurtful language right and then you walk it back and then you say oh this person is yeah has their own disease and so therefore you know what am i gonna do stop doing my work yeah and that's why like you do have to just let it roll off your back right i guess because what are you what else is that what are the other options there's there yeah there's no other option because you're not going to teach them no and and i mean i do think it is important

to know that these people are people and i mean this in in the like way of radical acceptance like i would never even think about the things that they write to me oh no but that being said you follow them back and they're just like this high school boy right who is i mean by follow them back and they're just like this high school boy. Right. Who is, I mean, by follow them back, I don't mean follow them back. I mean, you see what their profile is and you're like,

Oh, you're just a high school boy. Like just figuring it out. Like what a disservice this world has done to you. You know, that, that like you think that when you see someone who doesn't look like you express opinions that challenge your worldview,

that they need to die. And, and you see this all around, like, like we grew up. I, I don't want to lose sight of the fact that we were growing up at a time when Eminem was the biggest,

biggest deal. Absolutely. And the havoc that Eminem wrought for queer boys growing up. And we ignore that now because, because the internet wasn't around then the way it is now to have like what I wouldn't have, what I would give to have read a think piece in seventh grade right being like eminem is bad for teenage boys even if i saw people pile up on that and teenage boys be like oh stupid stupid like just to know that that

thought exists but you're so alone you know it's one of the most hurtful things to look back on in my adolescence and know that he was so pervasive in the culture and he got away with so much blatant violent homophobia and also the cover of his album yeah was his dead wife's body in his trunk. And do you... I remember I bought the Eminem show album. Me too. I bought it because I felt as a young person,

this is what I'm supposed to be listening to. And if I don't have this Eminem album, it was the same reason why I lied about my favorite band being Limp Bizkit when I was asked.

Because I couldn't say Christina Aguilera because that would mean I was gay. So again, in a way of like, you know, holding myself back and making myself into what everyone else was, I bought that Eminem show album. If you look through the cover art of that album, it's him killing his audience.

He murders his audience. Yes. I think that's is that the one with the curtains on the front? Yes. Yeah, yeah. That's the one I had too. And I also bought it because I was like, I will make myself like this. Right. Like, I don't want to say like Britney Spears.

I don't want to say like the bodyguard soundtrack. I don't want to say like all of these things, like hiding this, this part of yourself and all the reason I brought this up is that all of these people who send me this hate, they look like young M&Ms. Yeah. Right. Right. brought this up is that all of these people who send me this hate they look like young m&ms yeah oh my god and it's it's i feel and i'm not being altruistic here i feel so bad for what we do to teenage boys yeah you know and this is an alt way of looking at it um or alternative sure sure say that word anymore you were halfway to that yeah this is an alt way of looking at it or alternative. Sure, sure, sure. I don't want to say that word anymore.

You were halfway to that. Yeah. This is an alternative way to look at it. But like there is a real privilege of queerness because you get to see the world. You're like thrust to the outer reaches of the world. And then you get this better perspective on the world. And by queerness, I don't just mean queerness. i mean any kind of minority status that makes you yeah any otherness yeah see get just get this like really amazing perspective of the world but i feel bad for them

because from that vantage point you're starting to see what the machine does to these people right and um i mean this is not to say that i'm going to respond to them and start a dialogue because if i'm getting you know however many messages a day i get like that's not worth my energy my energy is not going to be spent having a meaningful conversation with these people right but it is the public private dynamic of these are things that you would never ever say to my face never exactly right well you said something to me when we were talking about this um that you were like what i want to do is just sit them down and be like do you really want to do you really want me to die yeah is that how you truly or you want to do that like really want to, do you really want me to die? Yeah. Is that how you truly, or you want to do that?

Like, I want to do that. Like Marina Abramovic piece. Oh sure. It's like, here's a gun. Yeah. Here's a knife.

And it's like, do you want to do this to me? Or do you want to do something else? You know? Right. Yeah. And, um,

yeah, like it's, it's, it's kind of insane. I mean, I also think that this is just time when the way you release things on the internet is you're releasing it to a platform where people can truly say anything. And if you think back to television in like the 90s, like if an episode came out and a gay couple kissed on it, right? Like it's a much longer process.

You don't comment on that. I mean, you comment on it. If you are so incensed, you take it upon yourself to write a letter and then you put a stamp on that letter that you spent money on. And then you put that envelope in the mail and then the mail goes to the like channel that broadcasted it. And then there's a mail center. So it's like there were so many um there were so many filters yeah there were so many filters yeah um yeah can i um okay so you just talking about sort of and both of you talking about sequestering away this like

these like interests as kids um can i just this i don't we haven't done this before the show um okay ham sandwich uh she's She used to be a drag queen. Now she's transitioning. She's trans. During National Coming Out Day this week, she wrote this really, I thought this beautifully written thing about the closet. Can I read it?

Yeah, sure. The closet is a stupid phrase. It's a cutesy, hetero-friendly euphemism for what is actually solitary confinement in a prison of pure fear the walls of which appear out of nowhere after you've spent some chunk of your life thinking you were roaming free like everybody else there is a key placed within reach but that key is made of a kind of courage no one in straight culture ever said you need to have

because the walls themselves are built out of a cowardice that straight people have never had to confront which i think which i think speaks to like these people um and then there's just one more thing every lgbt person has escaped their cell through sheer force of will and on their own we've all taken an irreversible and costly step and often the only reward we get for it is the company and solidarity of others who have taken that same step that's why i'm more proud on this day than uh than that fucking stupid week in June. And then she ends it with,

um, uh, she says she talks about how she did come out twice. Once is a gay and then once it's trans. And then she says, all LGBT people, even the ones whose guts I fucking hate are beautiful for this reason. So I think that was any, anyway,

she's, she's, yeah. So I think that's true. It's something. And it's so interesting because, you know, now, whenever I meet somebody LGBT, it's like you do, you feel an instant familiarity and love for that person because it's true.

No one else does know. You really don't know. Well, that's what it is. It's like, and that's what the, the, the, the, the thing I responded most to in Ham's and Ham's writing was that like, um, she writing was that she's saying you're escaping out of your own will. That's, God, what a crazy, lonely thing. qia community there's um like a strong amount of mask privilege and a strong amount of white privilege yes but which is present for the record in every minority community yes and i was talking about this with someone but it's like i was talking about this with my friend. She's an actor and she's currently filming a show.

And it came up because she's wearing contacts for the show. She's a black woman. And she was telling me that everyone would come up to her and be like, oh, your eyes are so beautiful. And it's like that light privilege of like and so we were we were talking about is it it's this thing present in all minority communities of like who is closest to white and who's closest to male you know um and who's closest to like straight acting yeah yeah yeah and so i was talking to um there's this really great guy representative brian sims yes i love yeah i love that he's amazing he's so great he seems like such there's this really great guy, Representative Brian Sims. Yes, I loved that video. Yeah, I loved that.

He's amazing. He's so great. He seems like such a cool guy. He's so smart. So he's this very mask-presenting gay white guy. State senator in Pennsylvania? Yeah, state legislator. Legislator.

In Pennsylvania. Daddy. He's a daddy. Okay. Legislator. In Pennsylvania. Daddy. He's a daddy. Okay. No comment. A little light humor. Propagating mass community. But he was saying that he understands

that the opponent of his community looks like him. And the opponent of minority communities looks just like him. So they're going to take him more seriously because he looks like them so he's like i'm willing to fight for all of these people because i know this awful thing is true that they take me more seriously just because for so many people being gay is just a fact right like they're just like like i think of like neil patrick harris would i consider him a queer no would? Like they're just like, like I think of like Neil Patrick Harris. Would I consider him a queer?

No. Would I like, but it's like, is that my person there? Is that my avatar? No. But, for a long time though,

that was it. Didn't you feel that? For me, I felt like that. Yeah. I mean, to be honest with you, that was it. For me, when I was in high school, when I found out that he was gay and openly gay and playing you, that was it for me when I was in high school, when I found

out that he was gay and openly gay and playing a role that was straight on television and accepted as part of the mainstream culture on a network like CBS, which I even knew at that age was bullshit. Like, cause it is. Um, I was like, wow, this is my hero. And I remember, I remember, I felt, I remember I felt like a genuine crush on him and a genuine love for him. Yeah. And sort of like an obsession.

Like I remember I would go home and I would Google him and listen to and find out the project that he was involved in. And I also found out that he was involved in this like concert version of Sweeney Todd that he did with Patti LuPone. And I was like, like wow this person has so many varied interests but like they're able to succeed on a mainstream level and they're gay and they're out and saying it like it's crazy oh my god and this is like pre sean hayes saying he was gay and like sure i mean like ellen being out like meant something but to be honest with you like i guess like in no petra caris is the first time i saw myself yeah which is my own privilege no no no i i i mean i think that that is great

and important and i didn't i don't mean to knock him i mean to just say it's it's an echo of what you're saying which is like it's so fucked up that that's like one of the only ones. Yeah. And that we have to, and we have to like, in some cases pretend to identify with. Right, right,

right, right, right. And we're like, and, and, and I'm, you know,

yeah, I mean, that's, it's the, what I wanted to knock was the culture that made him be the only one. Right. Not him. No,

no, no, no. And you know what? Cause even he, I'm sure like, isn't fully out as himself. You know what I mean?

Like, like, no, I think this is what Dylan's saying is that he was able to still like sustain his own career. Um, because, because he,

he just had all the other like points in the checklist that were like, Oh, let's a hundred percent acknowledge that he was completely straight acting. Right. And playing an extremely, almost vulgar, straight role on television. There was that element of, ooh, he. There's the magic element. The way he's passing.

Right. And his thing for a while was his like type was disgusting straight man. Right. Like not even in How I Met Your Mother, but also in Harold and Kumar. I wonder how that is going to stand the test of history. Like I wonder how. Harold and Kumar? No, I wonder how his performance in How I Met Your Mother is going to. Yeah, I don't know read

decades from now especially after this election right right oh that's interesting how are you guys doing um selection okay i went i went canvassing last weekend and you guys were phone banking and i've been phone banking how was that it's interesting i was calling uh members of the democratic party in michigan to make sure that they got their absentee ballots so it wasn't like i was calling undecided voters in florida i wasn't like confronting that head-on i got a couple of responses that were like it's none of your business who i vote for or between me and my god it's between me and my god was one and also um can we count on you to support hillary on november 8th like hell you can and these are like democrats it's registered democrats that are in

the system for that reason i would say how am i doing with it i'm exhausted yeah i'm so fucking tired that now i'm just desperately trying to see the humor in it yeah because i do think that it's a that i do think that like i think he can't come back from this yeah i'm i'm still fighting like i still will go in the phone bank and i still will you know do all i can but i'm really beat down by it and i'm also missing the i'm missing the kind of social media that took itself less seriously to be honest i really am i'm i'm i'm i'm seeing now like i'm respecting people a lot less which i really didn't wish i had to family members of mine that come out and say these certain things where i'm like wow i have to i'm never gonna forget this now it's a new kind of era where it's like you're fine you're really finding out what people really think and it's scary because you don't have the commonality that you thought you had with everybody

and it is scary and it's making me really tired and also i haven't been sleeping as well and i think this is why because of that yeah i also think it's like ludicrous that people are trying to talk about this election with impartiality. Oh, my God. It's insane. I saw this Jeep commercial before the movie I just went to. And this Jeep commercial, you know when it's like a commercial that plays before a movie, so you know it's like the extended cut fancy version.

So it was like, basically, no matter who you are, Jeep is for all Americans. And it was shots of bumper stickers that support different ideologies. But never something so political like Black Lives Matter or abortion. It was like I support our troops. Save the earth. The most innocuous bullshit. Not bullshit. So then it was a split screen at the very end and half of the car closed and it was a blue car and it the bumper sticker was

democrat and half the car was red and it was a bumper sticker and it was republican i think what is going to happen is like first of all is everyone will get a jeep everyone first of all let's go get it this is sponsored by jeep um thanks to jeep um you know when on podcasts they always say like our friends at jeep and it's like who what friends but dylan that reminds me um squarespace uh what is it a snack box yeah yeah yeah whatever are you ever craving a snack yes all the time why yeah spend 70 a week anyway i just wanted to say that it it is like what are those now iconic red hats that say make america great again like is that going to is is no candidate in the future of american politics

ever going to have a red hat again as part of their campaign because it's so iconic. You know? Right, right. I think it goes away. I don't know about that. I don't know.

I think it's... I think... I don't know. I think what we're living through is so different. Well, think about this, though. I mean, he's doing... What he's doing right now is he's he's trying i think he knows he's kind of flailing a little bit he knows he can't win a little bit so he's doing he's trying to do as much

lasting damage as possible yeah he's trying to ruin her life yeah i mean that's clear like and um he's ruining i think he's ruining a lot of people's lives. I mean, now these women are, whether they really wanted to or not, are all kind of forced to come forward. We all know that coming forward about your assault is like very personal and very difficult. But now I think that women that might have told their family members or told their friends in the past that this happened to them, now that this is happening with Donald Trump, I'm sure they're being pressured. I mean, today, just an hour before we started, I saw there's an Apprentice contestant from season five that came forward with Gloria Allred and on camera gave a statement about her sexual assault,

a detailed 11-minute taped confession about a sexual assault that she endured at the hands of Donald Trump. And this is not stopping. Because you know that there's countless women. What scares me

is the fact that it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter to people. And like, The Daily Show just did a segment about these people being like, he wants to grab women by the pussy.

I want to grab women by the pussy. I wish I could grab as much pussy as I want. Or the women who are like, I'm 65 and I would love if someone would grab my pussy. It means I'm cute. And I'm like – So basically what you're saying is you consent? Right. So you consent.

So you consent. So fine. But still, no, this is what Dylan's saying is that the impartiality is completely null and void because it's like when Seamless does the put in I'm with her or I'm with him for 5% off like oh aren't you longing for the days of John McCain and Sarah Payne Romney or Mitt Romney it's just like they're so different I think yeah I mean were you talking about this game change moment yes okay so I watched the movie Game Change two nights ago.

Oh, wow. Because I figured this would be fascinating to watch now. And Sarah Palin, I believe, was the beginning of this. Well, the real beginning of this is when Reagan, the first thing he did in office was cut education. Because then that's what. And declare a war on drugs. Yes, exactly.

That's how you got a big, dumb electorate that you could control. So that's why we have what we have today. But in terms of this beginning of the Tea Party, in terms of these people being proud of the fact they were uneducated and left behind, that started with Sarah Palin.

Because they saw in themselves, they saw themselves in her, a charismatic every woman who was up there on a national stage and she spoke to them. And what she said to everybody was like, look, I'm not an insider. I'm not an insider. And that was what they had to do with her because she truly didn't know anything. That was the first time in American politics that inex inexperience was a was virtuous right and it was

like wow so there's someone up there that can get up there who's really truly like me meanwhile what no one considers the fact that she shouldn't have fucking been up there in the first place she was being used as a tactic to win like to pull in like disenchantanted it's just funny this like this this mentality of like he says what i think well you shouldn't be president right right right yeah and it started with sarah palin because she did give birth to the tea party in the in one of the last scenes of game change which is a movie that's been um you know spoken on by people like Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt, who were depicted in the movie as being, quote, so accurate that it gave them chills.

This is Nicole Wallace's. The last scene is Sarah Palin, as played by Julianne Moore, is determined to make a concession speech alongside John McCain. She's like, I got quite a speech I'm going to make next to you. And he's like, no, that's not appropriate. I'm going to make the speech. You'll stand up there with me and that'll be fine. And he turns around and walks away and she's still there and she's deducted.

And before he gets out the door, he turns around and walks back to her and says, you're one of the leaders of the party now, Sarah, and people are going to be looking to you for what to do don't get corrupted by limbaugh and the rest of the crazy people because it's not real well too bad because that's fucking john mccain's fault too for even picking oh it's fully yeah well here's the thing john mccain has presented in the movie is like a very noble person but unfortunately the politics of it all and the needing to win got to him it was really his advisors that were like you cannot win this election with joe lieberman which was who he wanted to choose he wanted it to be a split ticket with a Democratic vice president. Yeah.

Right. Choice. And they were like, this is not going to help you because what we need to do statistically is reinvigorate the base and also win back some independence. So you need somebody that's going to excite everyone because they hold a gun and also get them excited because you're involving someone else. Like the gender gap is very wide. We need to close it and they went through all the i guess female possibilities and chose the most quote-unquote charismatic choice and it was sarah palin and there you have someone who just did not know anything it wasn't that she

was too dumb to know it it was that she didn't know it and the volume of information that she was too dumb to know it. It was that she didn't know it. And the volume of information that she had to take on was just too much for any person. And she had a breakdown. So funny, though, because you watch old... Because Gawker did a thing on this way back in the day. They posted the gubernatorial debates from when she was running for governor. And she was able... And she's asked a question on abortion. And she was able to very skillfully dodge that question and going but you know what like of course there are cases

where that would be the only option the only viable option but um but in most cases i would choose life but like she's saying that and obviously you don't agree with it like people don't agree with that but she said it in a way that was actually right she was on her own turf she was on her turf and she was like she she she knew what she wasn't in over her head and it was like oh she's probably a perfectly fine politician at the state level right but then like you just like shoot her up you gave her this meteoric rise and i just to make this a little more macro and human. I always wonder about that in, in is like, is that part of the human condition?

Right. Like what is, what is, what is, well, I just think like, I would like to believe that we are humans who have our convictions and we have our ethical ground to stand on. But I also think like it has so much to do with circumstance and like what you believe. And it's like,

can power and fame turn you into a monster? I think game change and the story of Sarah Palin would argue that it can. Yeah. Donald Trump even as well. I mean, on a much, on a much more relevant and grand scale. Yeah.

So is that a human failing? Well, I just, I just mean to understand these people as humans, right? If you want to even humanize, it's like that chapter in The Bluest Eye when Toni Morrison humanizes this character who is the most vile and despicable character of the whole book. And you didn't think it was possible, it's like, are we, you know, maybe, like, we'll ultimately get that chapter for Donald Trump.

Everyone has a story. Everyone has a story. But I just think that, like, that is, like, something to consider, like we were talking about with internet trolls and internet harassment. It's like, Oh, there were things that led to this moment. And what if like, we went back to you as a kid,

like we'd like to think everyone was Damien, you know, from the omen. Um, but it's like, it's not, it, we love thinking that,

I mean, this is not a new idea. It's like, it's like, um love thinking that, I mean, this is not a new idea. It's like, you know, the banality of evil, right? Like, why did so many people join the Nazi party? It's not like they were all Damians, you know? But it's like, how easy is it to just join this, like, evil? Yeah, in true horrendous evil. Yeah. So, I don't know.

It's, it's, I mean, I do think that this movie, I mean, if no one has seen the game change, I would recommend people see it. It really pretty much,

cause you like her in the beginning. Like it's, it's interesting. You know what will happen. And so you're questioning it. And of course, but what I think is so great about this movie is Julianne Moore is such an amazing actress. She plays her and you really feel the frustration.

You feel her try and answer these questions. But she just can't. She just doesn't have the capability to take on and memorize all these things. And for what amount of the things that she was supposed to know, she did a pretty good job. I mean, she made it through that vice presidential debate,

which was insane that she was able to do that from knowing nothing. But what happens to that character, I think her tragic flaw was like, she fucking left the attention. And so she saw that she got the attention. And who got the attention because they say in the beginning of the movie they set her down to vet her and they're like the biggest concern we have is that you're a creationist and she says my father was a science teacher you know i grew up and i accept evolution i understand evolution i saw

fossils when i was young like i get it but i just can't deny that i see god's hand and everything that we have and i believe that god created all this and they're like okay so we have someone that understands it but like you know for spiritual reasons wants to believe this other thing yeah but then like that wasn't the public persona that she gave right she gave the true fundamental yeah thing and that is not necessarily truthful to what she apparently believed but it was on a mass level what was gonna get her the best attention the best right you know the most followers um there's this author baratunde thurston i love baratunde yeah and he how to be black yeah how be black. And he has one chapter. It's like,

if you want to be famous quickly, be a black conservative talking. And it's so true. Like, yeah. Like if you want to be known, say the right thing that will make you exceptional, you know?

That's so funny. So that reminded me of that part of yeah you wonder like how much of this this shit that stacy dash does she believe or like or like honestly is she just like hmm was that a job was that a job that's a job honestly it may have been a job yeah you never know because it was just funny because I watched... So when I was in... In 2008, when I was in college, the way I got my news was The View. I would have my classes from 8 to 10.45 and I would get home and I would run home to see what my girls were saying. I love The View. I love The View.

But now it's so sad. I haven't watched it recently. It's so sad, Dylan. Whoopi's still there. But Whoopi's so sad i haven't watched it recently it's so sad dylan whoopi's still there but joy will be so checked out um and like it's not really what it was because i can't risk i don't i just don't know who these women are anymore yeah like back in the back in 2008 it was like you had elizabeth hasselbeck god love her you know what i mean but she represented yeah what she wanted to represent and what she needed to represent really well she works uh is she on fox and friends she was on fox and friends but then i

think she kind of quit to go do family stuff okay so i think that's where she is now. But she, as much as frustrating as she was, was so important. And this is, and they had Nicole Wallace on the show. Nicole Wallace is like. No, I like Nicole Wallace.

I think she's smart. I watch her on MSNBC now and like, she's a good presence to have, but like, I'm like, stop talking. I don't know. I don't think that about her.

When you have her sitting next to Rachel Maddow, I'm like, I don't want to listen to you. I want to listen to this lesbian genius. Yeah, but is. When you have her sitting next to Rachel Maddow, I'm like, I don't want to listen to you. I want to listen to this lesbian genius. Yeah, but is that because your political views

align more with Rachel Maddow? Absolutely. And I don't want to hear fucking Nicole Wallace weigh in on how Hillary sounded shrill. I don't think Nicole Wallace is saying that.

No, she actually said that. She said that Hillary... Not shrill, but she was like, yeah, but Hillary came off a little too... And I was like, all right, Nicole. Just during the post-debate coverage but she was like, yeah, but Hillary came off a little too... And I was like, all right, Nicole.

Just during the post-debate coverage. Anyway. Okay, well, the point is, early days, like, an 08 era view, you had Sherry saying the world was flat. You had... Yeah, for sure.

But that was why you wanted to watch it. I mean, you had your entertainment value, and also you had, like, the fact that Real News was coming in. Yeah. And it was so funny because everyone took the view so seriously. Even Rosie on The View. Oh, loved it. Yeah. And it was so funny because everyone took the view so seriously.

Even Rosie on The View. Oh, loved it. Rosie. Come on. Firecracker. Firecracker. I went back and watched the first videos

where she starts going in on Trump and I'm like, oh, she's so good. But you know what, though? How right was she? She was absolutely, she nailed it. She was dead on.

It's so funny to me that he is obsessed with Rosie O'Donnell. He's obsessed with her. You choose to bring her up on the first and most watched debate. In history. And now it's the most watched debate in history. And you're like, okay, you're choosing to die on this hill.

Sorry, Donald. You're going to bring up Donald. You're going to bring up fucking Rosie O'Donnell. It's insane. So funny. It's nuts. Okay, we didn't ask you how you were doing with this election. How are you doing?

He's got to remain professional, honey. You, yes. You know what? He's got to keep his head above water. We don't have to talk too much about work. We don't have to talk too much about the election. Whatever you want to do. I feel I mean, it's a fascinating time to like, feel like this is like let's get to know America. You know,

like this is the segment of the long running news magazine show. America. That is, well, let's sit down and really get to know America. Are you surprised about what you're hearing? No. No, neither am I. But we are, it feels like we're dredging up the, the, the bottom dwellers. It's all coming out.

It's like, this is the end of a corporate retreat when everyone's like uh i think he's an asshole and then everyone's like yeah yeah and it's like we're about to leave in an hour yeah oh my god that is so good yeah it's well it feels like that but it's you're getting to know everyone i mean yeah you're you're getting to know you get a direct line to everybody and now I mean we say this every election social media has never been like this in any election before and I

the like thing cultured thing to do is to be like social media ruining our society let's go back to books you know and it's like fuck you being on social media ruining our society let's go back to books you know and it's like fuck you like being on social media doesn't prohibit you from reading books doesn't prohibit you from like taking part in the legacy of culture right right this is part of culture and to put this blanket

statement out and say like well social media is ruining the world it's like no no it's not no it's it's a medium to speak you might not like what you're seeing but social media i believe is like first of all i have a career because of the internet i've been told so many times like i'm not right for my face isn't right for this kind of experience and then the internet which is much more democratic just shows that people actually don't care you know what executives tell you in a boardroom meeting is not actually what people want to see it's what they want to see so you bypass that and then um oh god the amount of times we've been told i'm sure all three of us, that we're too niche. Yeah. Too specific. We were recently told niche. And we're like, okay, thank you.

How much can you share that is comfortable? I just want to hear more. It was a very gay show. Matt wrote the script years ago. And we read it again a couple months ago when we were trying to punch this up. It still holds up. And we were like, you know what? Let's pitch this. We were so excited about it. Pitch this to a It still holds up. We were like, you know what? Let's pitch this. We were so excited about it.

Pitch this to a place and then development folks were like, you know what? Too niche. Thank you so much. I know what niche means. We all know. I just mean to say that the internet has provided this fascinating

cyber ground for people to express their opinions and for people to also explore new thoughts and to for people to follow threads it's the agora yeah yeah yeah agora like i'm like an old like greek or roman towns like it would just be the town square where everyone just go and totally talk and now there is a much bigger town square. And it's so amazing that we can communicate with people who, on platforms that are built for that. You know, it's not just like this room where people are shouting. No. It's like, I mean, but then, like, what are the algorithms?

Right, right. You know, like, we don't know that. Yeah. It's something like Twitter is a more real algorithm. And then the last thing I'll say is that when people shit on hashtag activism, it's like shitting on poster boards. You know, it's like it's like being like, well, fuck poster board signs. And it's like, what?

How else are you going to get the message? Yeah. It's just a way to say the message. Right. And a hashtag is a great like filing system for the world. You know, you're just like, I'll click on this and I'll see to say the message. Right. And a hashtag is a great, like, filing system for the world. Right. You're just like, I'll click on this and I'll see what people are saying. Yep.

So that's just this, like, it's like the most juvenile thing. Like, when people gang up on the Kardashians because they have, like, nothing else to say about, like, critiquing pop culture, it's like. Actually, they're brilliant. Yeah. Right? about critiquing pop culture. Actually, they're brilliant. They are artists, and they will be considered artists one day for how they have manipulated systems. And we'll be pronouncing the name Kardashian.

Kardashian. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of the show. I just mean... Yes, you are! I just mean criticizing them by default. Yeah, I know, of course. And then criticizing hashtag activism because you hear people that you respect criticizing hashtag activism i have to shout out

a genius comedic moment i i saw one time in reference to the kardashians it was molly khan and ariel carlin's show um eggs for Sale at UCB. And it was this sketch where Molly goes, they're reading their tabloids and she goes, ugh, the Kardashians. I don't even pay attention to them. What is it? Keeping up with the Kardashians.

Is that the name of the show? I don't even know. And Ariel goes, yeah, that's the name of the show wasn't there and then the whole sketch is like kim kardashian why is she even famous and ariel goes well i'll tell you and proceeds to give a powerpoint presentation on why kim kardashian is famous and it's like kim kardashian is an entrepreneur kim kardashian is a reality show personality. This is why she is famous. And also, why is anyone famous?

I feel like asking the question, why are the Kardashians famous? Is, if you really think about it, one of the dumbest questions you can ever ask. They've really, that whole family has like just drilled to the core of what fame is and they hacked, and they should be praised for it.

Anyway, that's how I feel about it. We know why they're famous. Ask why someone else is famous. Sure, sure, sure. We fully know why the Kardashians are famous. I do want to say, before I said I wish social media didn't take itself so seriously, I think what I'm upset about is Facebook. Because this is what I don't like about Facebook lately.

It's all the different kinds of emotions that you can visibly see people having to everything. It just feels very like, yeah, get inflamed. It's like, and you have to remember that Facebook is like leeching off of us. I feel like,

you know what I mean? Like that's to me, it feels like a, not, not even just like a encouragement of our emotions. It feels like a manipulation and like a, you know what I mean? Like, well, that's to me, it feels like not not even just like a encouragement of our emotions. It feels like a manipulation and like a, you know, I think it just sets the tenor for the conversations to be had, which I think is actually useful. Sure. I guess just like, I don't know what you're going to say.

I was just going to say that it's a we don't know the system behind it. Right. We don't, because we don't understand or control the algorithms, something like Twitter is a radically different platform. Twitter is a. Just completely chronological. Yeah. Yeah. Um, where.

Yeah. No, no, no. I always have a problem with people that are like, I see what you're posting and what you really should be posting is this i'll just always have a problem with that and it's like you have a problem with people you've said this before people police just don't be a be the police like on social media i just don't i don't do do this is an honest question that i don't necessarily have an answer for, but do you think there is like honest discourse that can, or a useful discourse that can come out of Facebook?

It depends on who you are. Um, yes. Like my answer is yeah. I've, I've had, um, you've learned,

you've learned from, I've learned from talking to people. I don't know if like, honestly, we've all become better because of it and been like at the end, wow, this was a great conversation. I think we've all changed. But for example, I posted Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC. And I had a teacher from high school comment on it that was like, I'm sorry, but she's wrong.

And this, this, this, this, this. And then posted a graphic from obviously like very slanted conservative like a website yeah something like that and it started a full-blown battle yeah and what it kind of revealed to me was like how defensive people on that side will get because it's like, because they have a lot, a lot of being threatened because that's what it is. So right now the Republicans and like,

um, anybody that is supporting Trump right now, they're doing so because they're angry and And they're doing so because they feel like they're not being heard, and they're not being listened to, and they're not being cared about. And so when something happens, like this guy posts on my wall his opinion,

and then everyone jumps on board, and it's, you're dumb. That is why he's like this in the first place. So it's like, that's something I've learned from this. It's like, I've observed the kind of piranha mentality of Facebook. Piranha mentality.

It's kind of like, and you see someone say something, and then it's like, yeah, they're right. I'm gonna like their post. And it was like, it was interesting because like, I would make a comment,

and it would get 30 likes, and his would get none. And I was like, it was interesting because like I would, I would make a comment and it would get 30 likes and his would get none. And I was like, wow. And a little part of me in the back of my head was like, yeah, we're winning. And I was like, you're being the piranha right now. You just want that. Like you just want, and it's not that you don't believe what you're saying, but it becomes a situation where it's not a fair fight because you're on my feed. Yeah.

And you know what I mean? We're not actually getting the conversation right now because you're on my feed. Yeah. And you know what I mean? We're not actually getting the conversation right now because we're on my feed and we're on my home turf. It's like when you go to Fenway park. Right. And you're the one Yankee fan. Right. You know, odds are you're going to get a comment.

Yeah. So like, that's such a good point. And you know, and so basically like when it comes to Facebook and when it comes to the whole bit, it's like, there's a lot to be learned in the way that we communicate with each other and there's a lot to be learned in like how to better um get these things across and like but really like if you expect to have an totally honest discourse balanced discourse on facebook you're not going to get that because you have the potential for people to side with you yeah without even saying anything so it's it's it's difficult and it is by nature slanted and i think that helps facebook because it gets people excited i think i appreciate facebook

a lot for like you know when avida came out also big moment that i got into culture come on avida come on perrone it's don't cry for cry for me argentina don't cry for me argentina the truth is i never left you the balcony through my wild days my mad existence i kept my promise don't keep your distance okay i'm sorry dylan go have i said too much um there's nothing more i can think of to say to you anyway um the image must love me no get out of the rabbit hole okay so you know how she comes out onto the like the balcony that is when i see facebook being most successful is that now everyone has a balcony. So not like what you're saying, Matt, about the comments, I totally agree with. Like, ooh, I really owned him. You know, like I eviscerated him, all caps.

But it's more, it's like I do think that when people come out and they're like, this is a speech I had planned and I'm going to share it. I see such value in that. Like in the last week with women sharing their sexual assault story, I'm not interested in the conversation that has come like anyone arguing with them about it. But I love that I get to listen to it on a platform that then I can scroll to the next one and if there's a hashtag I love that I can click on that hashtag and then I can read other women dealing with these stories

you know and because how else are you going to get those stories do you ever feel concerned though that because we're all becoming more accustomed to typing these out that we can't actually articulate them human to human I mean we're doing that right now I don't know I think there is even we can't actually articulate them human to human. I mean, we're doing that right now. I don't know. I, we are.

I also think, I think there is, even, even if like I'm having a day where I like spend it all on the computer, I have an adjustment period where it's like, gotta talk to a human right now. And there's like a bit of a, like getting my sea legs back.

Like, you know, when you're ice skating and you forget how to walk for a second? No, I'm a perfect ice skater. You're Tara Lipinski. Yeah, I knew. Who I am is Tanya Harding.

I'm Nancy. Don't you ever forget it, bitch. I'll come at you with my sticks. This adjustment period is so... that applies to anything. Because anytime I go back to China and I'm using Mandarin, Mandarin, Mandarin, as soon as I get back on the return flight and I'm talking to an English speaker, I'll be like, oh, so sorry. And then that's going to be like my first full phrase of English that I've spoken in weeks. And I'm like, whoa, what's English?

So, yeah, that's interesting. Wow, you won't speak English for two weeks and i'm like whoa what's english so yeah um that's that's interesting wow you won't speak english for two weeks well you know what i'm worried and i'm maybe i've talked about this the language barrier is getting bigger and bigger the older i get and i have i have less of an excuse for it because like growing up like my mandarin proficiency would track with my age and be like oh you're a kid of course you only know kid words but now that i'm an adult it's like pizza pizza pasta lasagna and then um but then like but now that i'm now that i'm this like this like you know mature young man beautiful man i'm gonna and this is just how this is just like this is just um the the the like the culture in china i guess culture um is that like they'll just point out like oh you're trying like my relatives are absolutely

100 gonna be like well your mandarin's gotten much worse they'll say that they'll say that without like being too without being malicious they're just like making an observation they're like wow your mandarin is terrible and i'm gonna going to take that. I'm just, I'm really going to let that affect me. And I mean, don't fuck. Wow. God, it really does suck, doesn't it? No, it doesn't bomb because you don't live there. I know, but I think they are sort of, they feel owed the, um, you know, the, the, the

conversation. So I'm going to like, they're going to ask me about the election. I've listened. I've like, I've translated my answers over. It's so funny. What do you think their perspective will be on this election? It's so interesting to go somewhere else in the world and listen to people. No, but you know what it is?

Like and people say this, but like the rest of the world really does. Like I Bradford, this guy Bradford Jordan was tweeting. He's in he's in Hong Kong right now, but he was tweeting about how, um, like he, like the, the day after the morning after the, the debate, um, like these kids were huddled around a phone watching the entire debate and being like,

I can't believe this is what's happening. Yeah. Yeah. The same thing wasn't happening in Europe. Yeah. So I'm going to, so I'm going to go back to China and they're going to ask me like why we don't understand how he got there.

And I'm going gonna be like yeah well here's what i think and like i have to articulate these very complex here's something let's end this conversation with that question dylan how did donald trump get here um i was just gonna say that i i mean he got here through television yeah he got here through television and I grew up on a block where he built one of his skyscrapers so he blocked our river views so like

here oh yeah and I that is like so I grew up yeah like I just I always structurally knew of him as this guy who blocked our river views. And that's the sense, like, we were living in a rent-stabilized building. And there was a plaza across the street from us.

And it was always under construction. And then he came in and he whipped it up into shape and he like made it be a park and you're like at what cost you always had that question like what what are we paying for here and then he erected this skyscraper um called it the tallest skyscraper in the world on the side yeah i mean that was the record that he was going for. This is the tallest skyscraper in the world. And it said like 90 plus stories. And then you saw you learned they were counting the lobby as like 20.

And so it's like it. But that all it says everything. He needed to have the biggest vertical structure in the world. I always say this about the World Trade Center. America's dick. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's this like I do think this is America's need for size is going to America's obsession with size is going to kill us.

Because like I mean, in this very direct way with climate change, like, everything needs to be as big as possible. And then you go to Europe and you're like, I'll have ice, please. And you're like, no, we don't. We don't have that. And you're like, what? I want this heaping with ice. I want a big cup of fluid. Bowen, how did Donald Trump get here?

I think we were talking about this with GameChange off the air this week. I think it's that. Let's go backwards. Trump, Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Reagan. There you go. Hubert Humphrey. My opinion is I think that everyone's

really confused in America right now between celebrity and real. I think it's become one. I think everyone's just really fucked up. Qualification in celebrity. I think, yeah. I think people genuinely take a lot of these celebrities who really should be taken seriously, seriously

and I think that's what that is. I think... That's so right. And you know what? Scotty Nell Hughes, who the hell is she? I have to say sorry he's crafted his own image that's oh yeah he's he's curated what what and that is just people see of him and that is a skill yeah this is gonna i think that it's time uh it's time for i don't think so honey i don't think so honey now dylan uh i don't know if you're familiar but i don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. Now, Dylan, I don't know if you're familiar, but I don't think so, honey, is... The centerpiece?

It's what people... Tune in for. Tune in for. It's what they live for. They listen to Last Coach Race as they sit through an hour and 22, 23 minutes of a podcast and they say, God damn it, that's right. I haven't even gotten to the best part, which is I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey.

And it's about to happen. We have 16 seconds to rail against something in culture that's bothering us on a deep, deep level. Do you have something that you'd like to talk about tonight, Bowen? We give you the courtesy of going last. Dylan, I know what I'm going to talk about. Okay, great. You do. In keeping with tradition.

You want to go first or should I? Can you go first? Because I have the the vague formations of an idea i have something and i really don't know how i'm going to talk about this but i'm about to okay here we go matt matt rodgers i don't think so honey time starts one minute time starts now i don't think so honey taylor swift where is your hillary clinton endorsement i swear to god taylor swift i don't think so honey how come every other pop star and every other notable celebrity can give their fucking endorsement you are so transparent taylor swift i don't think so honey i am never paying to see you in concert again i will rip

your fucking albums off the internet i will i will make sure you never get another cent from me unless you come out and support hillary clinton in this election i think it's fucking ridiculous and cowardly you put your own image over your own image over the betterment of this nation, and it's so stupid. You saying, I'm this close to overexposure to Kanye West is not an excuse for you to not come out and do the right thing right now. I'm talking every other celebrity, people with just as much to lose as you. You're still going to have fans if you come out and say the right thing seriously if beyonce can do it if everyone else can do it why can't you your voice is gonna make a difference and i know you know right from wrong please i don't think so honey any excuse you might have to tell us what

endorsed hillary clinton i don't think so honey if you don't that's one minute wow matt thank you okay all right i'm so mad that she hasn't said something You're 100% right She has so much influence She can fucking Take a shit at the St. Peter's Basilica And still have all her fans And that's why I'm saying it matters The celebrity bullshit is why Donald Trump is up there

It matters what Taylor so fucking says It's so stupid But you know it matters So why doesn't she just say something She's been dead silent about this whole thing why doesn't she just say something? Absolutely. She's been dead silent about this whole thing. She doesn't care about the country fans anymore. Are we,

are we're supposed to believe? I don't know. It's so stupid and transparent. I hate her. I agree. I agree. Okay. All right.

You got it out. You're good. This is, this is the point, baby. Okay. Truly distressed. All right. I'm ready.

I'm ready for something. You want to give me time? This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. And it truly distressed. Alright, I'm ready. I'm ready for something. You wanna give me time? This is Bo and Yang's I Don't Think So Honey, and it starts right now. I Don't Think So Honey people who are still afraid of Chipotle. I have been going every... I went the week that the

E. coli broke out, and I still enjoyed a delicious burrito bowl with smoked Tabasco, honey. I had... I got my life with white rice, black beans, chicken, and now they have chorizo, what's not to love, get your ass to Chipotle, I don't think so, honey, people who, who, you know what, let me ask you this, how much of your fear of Chipotle, your stigma of Chipotle, how much of that is linked to the cuisine, to the country of origin, you think it's disgusting,

and it's risky, because it's Mexican, I don't want to project, but I think that's what it is, honey, I don't think so, honey, I love Mexican food, it's my favorite food, and if you don't like Mexican food of any kind, I don't think so, honey, that's your loss, enjoy your fucking Cheerios that you eat for dinner, you fucking idiot plebeian, I love Chipotle, I had it three times this week, and I loved it, it got better with every single consecutive meal, I don't think so, honey, I had it three days in a row, how about that, I don't think so, honey, people who don't like Chipotle, who are too afraid to be coli, it's harmless. You'll live.

It'll be a good story to write in your fucking novel. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. I had Chipotle for lunch today, bitch. That might have been my best. That was your best one ever. That was my most impassioned. Okay.

I'm proud. You really spoke well about that lunch food. Oh, I love it. I love Chipotle so much. You know what? Originally in Colorado, I've it. I love Chipotle so much. You know what? Virginia and Colorado have been to the first Chipotle. I've been a ride-or-die Chipotle stand since 2003.

Wow. Okay. Alright. That's amazing. You know, one time I went on a Valentine's Day date to Chipotle. Dylan Maron, we're about to start your 60 seconds. Do you have a topic? I do. Great. Dylan Maron, Las about to start your 60 seconds do you have a topic I do great Dylan Maron

Las Culturistas I don't think so honey is beginning now I don't think so honey Lady Gaga where is your performance of white allyship for Black Lives Matter okay you have built a fucking career on being

a social justice warrior you came out and in 2009 i fucking loved you because you accepted awards by saying this is for god and the gays loved it then last year you made this amazing amazing song for the hunting ground to talk about sexual assault on college campuses fucking amazing amazing. And then this year, amid Colin Kaepernick's amazing protest where we could at least talk about disagreement, you were chosen as the Super Bowl halftime performer and you put out a statement that said

you are so glad to do this for the fans, but most importantly, America completely missing an opportunity to say Black Lives Matter. And unless you dedicate your performance to Black Lives Matter and police brutality, I can no longer take you seriously as a pop star who is a social justice warrior. That's what we do, Marin. Let me tell you something.

I agree with all of it. That is an I don't think so. It's how you do I don't think so, honey. For everyone, every piece of shit that's going to come on the show and that's been on the show so far, fuck you. You haven't done it right. Dylan Mayer just took a pop star to task.

She will hang her head. And it was because of this episode. And if you've been on this show, fuck you. I never made the connection from her Super Bowl, her halftime show, Opportunity, to Colin Kaepernick. Opportunity! To Colin Kaepernick. Wow. She needs to be an ally.

She can't just— Well, she's been completely silent about that. Yes, she can't, but that's the thing. She can't be a single-issue activist pop star. Well, now she's— She hasn't been. I'm sorry. I will say it.

She has not been. She's been an advocate for sexual assault victims. She's been been. I'm sorry. I will say it. She has not been. She's been an advocate for sexual assault victims. She's been an advocate for the gays. I want to give her some credit. She's put herself out there. I think. She has put herself out there. I also expect more from my girl.

Because I loved her. Like just deep love everything and i was astounded by this amazing woman who could blend her very pop very mainstream entertainment yes with like real i mean she she gave a speech on don't ask don't tell right with a senator she was like actually pairing with lawmakers to she made transgender a lyric whenever it when whatever song right you know okay but can I ask you to throw a D at the end but you know well sure sure sure totally um she's not Lebanese your or he had orient and I'm still on board so okay but here can

I ask you this is it would it it be distasteful of her to, I mean, it wouldn't be distasteful of her to show support. Would she be taking it? My question is, would she be taking up space over another pop star such as Beyonce, who is so vocal or Kendrick Lamar? No, because she just has to perform white allyship. Yes.

She just has to show what it's which she's so smart i know she knows what that is you know like it's uh she would do it tastefully yeah and and just like but that's exactly what she did with gay rights she you know she identifies as as bisexual, I believe. A lot of pop stars renege on that. But she actively also championed other people. She walked the red carpet in a meat dress for Don't Ask, Don't Tell, but with, escorted by military people. And so she's always been able to really,

she has been able to marry american institutions with new ways of thinking about them this is for god and the gays and i wish you could do that about like this is for america and this is also where i stand on police brutality wow um yeah so i have high hopes for her and look, look, we can't forget her most, her most compelling advocacy for art. Arriving in eggs, arriving in eggs, which I think is her best egg transport.

That is, that is the funniest fucking thing. And she knows how fun that's what, that's when I was sold on her. I was like, God, she's fucking, I just did.

I just did a show. Mateo Lane and Christy Chalo hosted Battle of the Divas at Union Hall. And it was so fun. That's going to happen again on November 9th, you guys. And I'll be back. Wow. But I defended Beyonce and David Mazzone defended Lady Gaga. And I knew the moment I lost.

I did lose. Beyonce lost in the Battle of the Divas versus Lady Gaga because David whipped out the egg. The egg is... And I was like, honestly, you can't compete with her arriving in an egg at the VMAs. You can't compete with that. The Grammys. She pressed up. The Grammys? Oh, Grammys.

It was the Grammys. And while she was in the egg on the red carpet, she pressed her face up against it and was like, I'm trapped. Like as if she was trying to serve herself? So funny. Oh my god. I love it. Guys, I'm a little sad. Why?

About what? Because I, my instinct was to be like righteous towards like Taylor Swift. No, come on. About this thing. And I feel, I fear that like, and I'm like talking about how like social, like, like I feel like, I don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no. I feel like part of my sense of humor about this whole situation is dimmed. Well, no, that's, first of all. I can't be, I don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no. I feel like part of my sense of humor about this whole situation has dimmed.

Well, no. First of all- I can't be- I don't know. It'll be over soon. And second of all, this was an I Don't Think So Honey sandwich with Popstar Activism bread and a fun little slip of- Fun little Chipotle.

Chipotle. So Frida's middle. So Frida's middle. Tofu. I think that the message of this I Don't Think So Honey is we expect more of our girls we do I mean this very seriously if you are a pop star

who is going to adopt a socially progressive platform to sell an album such as Taylor Swift for every fucking album after this you can't use feminism and pop feminism to sell white feminism to sell and white feminism at that and for that matter yes white feminism squad goals um uzo aduba is your token get out yeah we were

bowen and i went to that telestrump concert and uzo aduba came trotting out and we knew she was the token and we looked at each other like come on i want to end on this not uzo kelly clarkson called donald Trump repulsive Love it Thank you Kelly You've always been my number one girl Guys Dylan, Maren, I love you so much

I think you're perfect I think you guys are amazing You're the most perfect human being on this planet I think that you're beautiful And I think you're using your powers for good And I think God fucking bless Praise Allah Praise Allah. God fucking bless you, Keith Dillon.

Praise Allah. Praise Buddha. Praise Shiva, Vishnu, and all of the gods. And God herself. And God herself, mama. Inshallah, you have amazing success. Inshallah. Now, this has been the Lost Coast Racist Podcast.

We're going to be missing you guys. We're going to be taking a little bit of a break, but Bowen, I hope you have a wonderful time Bowman, I hope you have a wonderful time. Matt, I hope you have a wonderful time. Oh, I'm going to get my life on the fucking Revenge of the Mummy. And I'm going to get my ride on the fucking Tron ride, honey. Girl, you better send me... I'll send you.

Reviews and photos and videos. I'll FaceTime. Can you do an on-ride video? No. That's so... I don't think so, honey. Thanks, guys. Bye.

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