Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Martin Luther King of Alt Comedy" (w/ Ziwe)

Episode Date: August 19, 2020

Bowen and Matt are thrilled to welcome the self-proclaimed Martin Luther King of alt comedy to LC. It's the one and only Ziwe! Are you a mononym? Didn't effing think so! So have some respect and listen to our "iconic guest" talk about her show Baited with Ziwe (follow @ziwef and tune in every Thursday night at 8 PM on Instagram), her compelling interviews with Caroline Calloway, Alexis Neiers Haines, Alyssa Milano and Rose McGowan, being a one woman production team, bringing true anarchy to live comedy, pop star aspirations, Stacey Dash in Clueless (and in life!) and much more. Plus, Matt and Bowen's infamous appearance on The View is relitigated, and the three rotted souls get into Real Housewives of Potomac, Beverly Hills and New York, with true fan Ziwe. Is Ziwe Team Candiace or Team Monique? Does she still stand by Denise Richards after recent episodes? Will Ziwe even play by the rules of I Don't Think So Honey? You'll have to listen to find out. Viva La People!!!!! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Las Culturistas. Ding Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. How's it going? It's going okay. Just okay? I had a really disorienting experience today. It was mostly good.

I hate when you're disoriented. Please tell me everything. It's not that I'm disoriented. Maybe that's not the right word. Well, you were at one point. I shot a quick thing today on a set, and it was very controlled environment, very, very safe. Yeah, better be.

At this point, best practices are being sort of established throughout the industry. Thank you, industry. Thank you, industry, we say. It's rule of culture number 22. Thank you, industry. Thank you, industry. And, you know, I caught myself thinking it feels really nice,

but it also is bizarre and weird. It's just weird how much is different and how much is also the same. You're going to get used to it. Well, it was just a one-off thing. Oh, it was just a one-off thing. Well, now in going forward into the future, when you shoot more things in this, what we're calling the great after now that i heard josh sharp say it yes there was the great before and now we're looking forward to the great after and whatever the great after presents

um we're gonna try to do our best then we'll be feeling better and better about it that's right and it was encouraging to talk to a lot of production staff. It was a very skeleton crew-y situation, but seems like the people who are working are getting jobs. And I pray that the people who are not working right now will also get jobs because it seems like things are opening back up in terms of, again, the industry. Things are sort of picking back up

in terms of like, you know, the PA jobs and the production jobs and the other things. Yeah. Well, speaking of big productions, are you so excited for the big DNC this week? I'm so excited for the big DNC virtual event. No, it's going to be

interesting. We'll see. It's going to be fine at best and we're going to get through it. We're going to get through all of it. I can't believe some of the speakers. I'm not even paying attention to some of the speakers. I can't believe they front-loaded Bernie on Monday. So we're recording this on Monday night. We haven't seen Bernie's speech yet.

But I'm like, that's like, you save that for, if you want to like unify the party or whatever, you save that for, you give Bernie a better spot. I'm just going to go ahead and say they don't know what they're doing. Of course not. But they sure think they do. And I just want to say, I think this, I was going to do my, I don't think so, honey, on this, but I just want to say it right up top. Why the fuck is there still such an emphasis on Bill Clinton?

It's, it's psycho to me. Wait, how involved is he in this? I mean, he's going to get a big speech and I get that he's like a living president, but girl, like tap into any part of like, like what has gone down in the last two years? How about six months? How about a couple months? And just understand that he is not the voice that we need to be hearing right now. Meanwhile, they're giving AOC 60 seconds, a quick minute.

She's going to go up there and do an I don't think so, honey. I didn't know about this minute. Oh my God, that's heinous. This is what she said on her own twitter was that they gave her 60 seconds which translates to one world minute billy eilish is gonna sing my future for like seven long minutes or something like she's getting billy eilish is getting seven hard minutes aoc is getting one soft minute quintuple aoc's time that's why you know bill clinton because it hit and his long-winded ass are gonna be up there for 15 minutes i can't deal with this i

mean this whole thing is giving me more anxiety than uncut gems it's like i can't even girl which is saying some a some a thing i gotta say because it's on all these a24 films are on netflix now i watched uncut gems the other night and it's just like it wasn't that bad i'm just like i like my life experience has been more anxiety inducing than this movie not not that's not to say that it's like not a tense movie no you know what uncut gems should have been your life experience i that was my biggest problem with it is like i like uncut gem just kidding i did it should have been about me i actually think it was straight white bullshit and i liked it no it really was i did not like it at all and also to be honest with you god bless adam sandler but he is kind of the king of like i'm a straight white anxious man and it's like okay because i also tried to watch punch drunk love and i'm like why

am i having a heart attack stop it i was gonna have a heart attack if i kept watching that kevin garnett and the weekend were amazing i love that it was just about a lot of non-actors in the film we can talk about this later i mean the i you know i famously watched uncut gems and fast forward to the adina menzel parts her playing full-on like guma trash like poor adina love it these she deserves better she deserves better than be like where the fuck you been now the kids are in the kid yeah but you know what though she gets a really good scene and she's really good where she's in her the dress not quinceanera jesus christ um the bat mitzvah dress yeah i fell out well that's actually a rule of number 50. When Idina Menzel came in in her

quinceañera dress, I fell out. She was famously in a bat mitzvah dress. That was a great scene. That was a good scene and she got a good moment. And also, Idina Menzel has gotten a lot. She's a part of three cultural institutions. Right, that's true.

That's true. That's fair. They being rent, frozen, and... Uncut gems. what's the third one i don't know oh uh wait she's definitely a part of three oh wicked i've i've tuned now adina's career has sort of like oh my god headlines headlines last culture is that's two fags forget wicked well um post Post it up. Speaking of cultural institutions. I mean, speaking of. We have one in our midst today, this week on the show.

This Rise is very fun to watch. It's so perfect. It's so satisfying. It's so deserved. We gotta say. Let's see. What are the credits? She's a writer for Desus and Mero.

She was the host of her show Baited with Z- on a was is honey well let's talk about the existential sort of like the transition to ig because i feel like it's it's sort of existentially a different thing perhaps and i want to get her take on this and she's probably talked about this already but um also she's she's just released a beautiful album, Generation Z-Way, filled with bops and hits. One of Variety's 10 comics to watch. Variety's 10 comics to watch. She would have performed in a dusty old theater in Montreal in July, if this were any normal year. It's also so funny, whenever they're like,

Variety's comics to watch in 2020, and we've been watching them all since like, oh, 2017. But anyway, happy they're getting Shine now, three years later um i'm so happy for her i'm happy that that was a good list this year i gotta say great list great list great list they did they did well fun people duane um you had uh meg stalter you had you had miss sarah cooper you had so many so many wonderful people and the wonderful current iteration of her show on instagram uh live and then posted up on ig tv uh in the intervening and in the following hour subsequent hours of each airing on thursdays at p.m on on ig live matt you and i made the grave mistake of programming ourselves against her show last week

didn't we it's true it's true it was a total accident but and it wasn't us programming it it was the slot we were off there was the slot we were on which is important to say um it wasn't a uh but i will also say competition is good in the market because it create it a rising tide you know what i mean and we're talking about the market in very capitalist terms that's wonderful of course as i always talk about it as we always talk about it we're both neoliberal fucks no just kidding we're not please join please stay after the show we're doing an after show called uh capitalist terms capitalist terms that's going to be a two-hour thing where we just do all that um but wow this is so fun um to have her here on las culturistas and it is about damn time i would

say and i have to say i am a veteran of baited i did it when it was a youtube show and i have i'm gonna start things off with an apology as soon as we introduce our guest oh i can't wait to hear this one everyone please welcome into your ears z-way hi z-way oh my gosh thank you for having me that was a very beautiful and long verbose intro so i loved it i loved everyone there's so much to say about you though thank you so much i love compliments so this is perfect this is you deserve them all and where are you right now because you're in sort of like a your your your background on the zoom is sort of a flowery sort of midsummer yeah honestly i am in sweden where is she in midsummer sweden sweden it's sweden it is i'm in brooklyn right now wasting my youth indoors but staying safe hopefully no no

no it's it's it's all it's all an investment now for once we're all free to go outside now i want to spend no more time talking about anything else other than this apology which is richly deserved okay do you know what i'm about to apologize to you for you know i forget this this enraged me at the time but i believe in forgiveness so i was pissed and then i i moved on because that's how we grow as entertainers that's true um that's true. And wow, what a model for growth, for modeling growth, a model for modeling growth. Now, let's say let's just give the full context. I was booked in the same sort of shooting session as Matt was, as Sudi was forbaded. This was, I want to say, two, three years ago.

It was a snowy day. Yeah ago it was a snowy day yeah it was a snowy day um i was shooting this program on uh uh i want to say tbs it doesn't matter though previously i want no no it doesn't matter but i'm illustrating the idea that the fact that i don't even he's what he's illustrating is the fact that there was an excuse for him not showing up to shoot your show no no okay okay and already this is going terribly wow i think this is i'm just like extemporaneously getting my my words out okay so this is what happened i was shooting the show and then the production was a little chaotic during that show. And then they had changed my hours and my days so that I was, this is first position bullshit, that I couldn't do Ziwe's show. And I had to let Satya, your producer, know the day before and was just like, I'm so sorry, I can't do this. And then she

responded to me and gave me a wonderful tongue lashing being like, Ziwe worked really hard to prepare these segments for you. And this really fucking sucks. And you really screwed her over. And I was like, yeah, I know. I know. And I and I still feel guilt around it. It's okay. I forgive you. Because ultimately, your episode went to Aparna Nanturla. And it was much better. It would have gone. Yes, it went much better than any thing that we would have done would have gone truly. Also, we got to have a great time. We had a great time. No, I'm sad sad but i think we'll we'll connect hopefully when this is a tv show um so we'll we'll circle back around what can you say what's the latest on this because

the the buzz around town is everyone's just like at the damn beach the other day everyone was just like well z was gonna get a show and this feels like this feels like a prophetic thing now it's just assumed you know time will tell time will tell but i love love and i'm excited um tell tell everyone at home that is living under a damn apparently very big and heavy rock if they don't know what bait it is and what's going on on your live every thursday evening so on my live show i interview different um celebrities and comedians and i ask them about race and the questions are very simple like how many black friends do you have what do you qualitatively like about black people but everyone manages to sort of um express their racial biases in ways that no one could ever write or imagine and i interview guests like caroline

calloway allison roman um rose mcowan, Josh Sharp, friend of the show. George Tavares, another friend of the show. Love George Tavares. That was a very funny episode. He's very funny. I'm really excited. Alexis Nyers, which is one of my favorite interviews of all time. That was pretty iconic.

And I actually was really, really impressed with her. It seems like she's done the work. Yeah, I expected her to be like super raucous, more like a Carolyn Calloway type. And she was really like, came on the show, like very open to listening and expressing her faults. I was surprised. I thought she was great.

And she was able to filter a lot of her own biases through this journey that she's been going on with the adoption process that her and her husband are going through. famously um but i what i find interesting is what feels most remarkable to me is yeah it's like people sort of put their biases on display in ways that can't be written or imagined but with like the alissa milanos and the rose mcgowans it's like they come in hot both those interviews I distinctly remember they came in you you greet them and then they immediately sort of

talk at length without you being able to get in a word in edgewise like they talk at length about like proving their own activist streaks and it's like a little bewildering yeah I love Alyssa Milano Alyssa Milano was one of the harder interviews because I'm like thinking in real time, when do I interrupt to get to my first question? As she's sort of like meandering, but I kind of appreciate that white womanhood. If you're the type of lady that like, just walks at people like let's show that's exactly what we're here to show. So I really love that interview. But for different reasons, you just put them both in kind of the same capsule there. But the Alyssa Milano interview and the rose mcgowan interview

so those those are two very different interviews and those are two very different women yes just and um so i just i just read through the rose mcgowan interview again oh you did oh my god yeah and it seems like because all you can actually read all the transcripts on z-way's website as well please sign up up for my subscription service. Yeah. But I don't know if you saw this today, but Rose McGowan came out today and actually accused Alexander Payne of sexual misconduct. And, well, she was 15 when they had sex, so we can go ahead and say rape. So that's actually fresh off the presses and um yeah so i mean she always bring seems to bring

the truth um undaunted yeah she's i mean she's one of the biggest figures in like the 21st century like yeah moving that movement into what it was because of willingness to speak out that's just like that's going to be in history books and i think that she should be attributed to in large part what went down with the entire me too movement and i do feel that she is sort of taken out of that narrative because it's not super convenient for the very dnc-ish way that a lot of the um times up ish movement is run i think yes i just referred to the times up ish movement it does sometimes seems like it's it's only for one type of woman and i think that it's really important that rose mcgowan's voice continued to be heard by everyone and so you know i'm i'm happy

to see that that you gave her that opportunity because she's not going to be someone that like goes out there and is a fucking idiot about it she's not i mean you know yeah she's controversial so she because she contradicts herself like sometimes she'll be really progressive and have really interesting feminist like ideals and other times it's like why are you speaking up about things maybe you have no idea about so i think she is truly like a like a american activist in their pure purest form does she not live in america anymore she's in mexico i think that's what she said yeah the caroline thing caroline seems to like really be stretching this out well i feel like she first of all i. I mean, the week of that interview was super thrilling as, as it is every week, but that

was the week where everyone was just like, oh my. Yeah. It was a special week. And I, it was a very special week. And I, she just, I remember she, I tagged her in something. Oh no, I didn't even tag her. I screenshotted like some, like a tweet of yours with a clip or something. And then she DM'd me on instagram was

like would appreciate a tag thanks wait no way she like what i didn't tag her she just stumbled on my story found this this little screen grab of your tweet um with with with your interview and she was like would appreciate a tag she and then now i feel like she's i feel like she refers back to it even still is that accurate i wish her well that was a very special that was a special interview what is this about she is truly being a journalist she is truly being frost in a frost nixon sense show what goes on on her instagram is the journalism it happens in the moment and it is not for us outside of it okay i'll say and i will not speak to any individual but i will say that the behind the scenes of this show deserves its own untucked

because it is that you could possibly fathom on your worst day because i even feel like there is a lot of drama around people you try to book who don't come on the show oh yes yes like who yes i can't i won't say because hopefully i'll get them and i don't i don't want to start that precedent but i've had men it's mostly straight men who get very upset that i even have the day to ask them to be on my show even though i think like i've asked i've asked fantastic oparna's been on my show like josh fantastic comedians um so it's mostly straight men and they they really want me to walk them through the process so i've had several of them be like yo can we do

a call beforehand and i don't i usually say no because i don't want i don't want to talk to them right because right i would imagine like what is the prep i want to talk to them on the show that's the only way yeah yeah exactly because because what is what is the prep that goes into each week for you like what are like monday tuesday wednesday and day of like what is what how does that break down it depends on the guests but a lot of research like i listen to like every single podcast they've ever done i go through tweets to see what racist stuff they said in like 2011 um yeah that's mostly what i do and then that's yeah that's it or i'll watch their reality show so i watched pretty wild um but that was just for me that was because i love alexis nyers um but yeah that's pretty

much it i'll just go through survey they were their work i can't believe alexis has never seen i mean i get it i get why she would never see the bling ring but that surprised me for some reason yeah someone's got to do like vanity fair's got to do alexis nyers watches the bling ring for the first time that's an instant you know she also had pretty valid um uh shit to say about the way that emma watson talked about her in the press at the time being like i'm playing the worst person ever can't believe like this person even exists. Meanwhile, like she was well aware of like struggles that she was having in her life. But also, I guess Emma Watson was young. And that's me letting her off the hook. Why? Let's examine it.

You're a one woman production team. Yes. And I want to ask because I feel like Matt and I have encountered this perhaps it's nowhere near the same sort of intensity or sort of attention to detail that you put in I feel but like let's say like I'll design a poster and then like but then like if if I were to ever like the posters are good oh thank you they're some of the best in the biz yeah no no no come on um but let's say like let's say Matt and I were to do a tv show like i would feel a certain way about relinquishing power or outsourcing it to someone else and like when the

time comes that you do get the support behind you yeah in terms of like a production apparatus like do you see yourself wanting to control a lot of the elements around i have a control freak so i i think that's inevitable but i would gladly give up the research portion i would gladly give up booking talent because it's like a lot of me texting people's publicists which isn't as fun as it sounds um so yeah there are elements of the production that i would give up but i i like to produce i'm good at producing so the minutiae of like what what does this look like how are we shooting that i'm interested in for sure we're the same way because we literally book whenever we do and i don't think so honey it's literally 50 people and we do it

city to city and but we book every single one and we put all that we put all the lineups together it's literally too much but i think that bowen and i at this point wouldn't feel comfortable allowing someone else to do that so i get what you're saying I yeah I like the control of being like I get to talk to this person because they are someone whose Instagram I like and want to watch again um yeah I don't want to reach out that's I would have something like someone in between us so then yeah because I do a lot of aftercare um after the interviews I'll like usually talk to the people and so i like to like have space in between that wow so i would imagine that after the interview they probably text you pretty immediately and go how did that go compared to every other ones that you've done how was it did i say anything that actually offended you etc is that is that fair to say you know every guest is

unique and has a unique okay from the experience okay you will not reveal bts this is a true producer she's like she knows she has an actual show on her hands which is which is baited after the bait oh we're definitely do an untucked version where it's like uh like what's it blog breaking bad or whatever the fuck whatever that's talking bad talking bait. Yeah, we're definitely. Wait, okay, was that fair to say earlier that this, the IG Live show is a different iteration of baited? Would you still consider it baited? Because I feel like now...

We're different, yeah. We're different. Yeah, well, because the first one was like, I will race bait my coworkers. Then it became, I will race bait my friends. And then there was a version of it, but then it became i will respect my friends and then there was a version of it but then it started stop being about like white people and started being like gary richardson and a parna um heaven to got to so it's like in the the ecosystem of like race

baiting but i think it's i don't i feel that in 2020 i don't have to trick anyone into saying anything racist they've all right that information to me unwillingly most of the time. So, yeah. So, it's grown from that point. But I think we need some people to help fund the movement, right? Every single person has their benefactor and that's how we thrive. And so, I'm willing to step out in front and make a lot of money for the betterment of man and that's what makes me the martin luther king of alt comedy that's actually huge of you to say and maybe

that's the title of that martin luther king of all comedy um i also think it's interesting that everyone is kind of getting to know you as an online presence because we sort of got to know you as a live performance presence my live shows are unhinged and i have to say i love your unhinged live shows i have seen you be given a seven minute slot that went on for 20 minutes and not a damn person was upset about that and let me tell you you were not getting off that stage at all i'm bad at telling the time. Truly did not know. Yeah, right, bitch. You know exactly how long you're up there. No. I don't mean it.

No, this is the thing that Josh Sharpe remarked on is that Ziwe has always been an anarchist. Anarchy. And it's anarchy that she sort of brings to the live performance aspect of her comedy is that it's like, no, I'll keep playing ponderosa with omarosa is that the song that you that was normally replayed from melania to sri lanka excuse

from melania to sri lanka i'm so sorry can you wait can you just remind people of the lyrics um i love to shop with melania in sri lanka my clothes like my oscar de la ranta i love my boys love my calvins and my toys, love my Gucci and my Pucci and my pretty Hello Kitty. Meow. And Melania is only really mentioned in the chorus or is she like, I feel like she's sort of thrown

in there. Yeah, she's a red herring for sure. Yeah, that's the word. She exists as a red herring in the song. Exactly, it's about the the women who are friends with melania who is shopping with melania yeah it's an exploration and you famously would not leave the stage until every audience member knew every word sang along at 110 and was up out of their chair bopping like it was coachella that's true and you know how that started actually

i did the pop show and Dwayne Perkins was going to be the closer and I really wanted to see him because I think he's one of the best dancer comedians ever. And he was late. And so I was like, how do I fill the time? I have extra time at Union Hall. What do I do? So I did Melania second and I checked, is

Dwayne here? No, he's not here. So I did it a third time and a fourth time. I think I did it seven times back to back until he finally got there. And so that was the birth of what... Was that at Union Hall? It was at Union Hall. But yeah, it was maddening. People got upset. People left. Someone drew a bra

on stage. That was awesome. It's polarizing. It's supposed to be polarizing. Yeah, right. That was a really fun show. I did that show a couple times. Yeah. I brought my songs. Yes, your songs are amazing. to be polarizing yeah right that was a really fun show i did that show a couple times yeah i brought my i brought my songs yes your songs are amazing the disney prince i love that well it's called disney gay but thank you very much i do i do consider myself a disney prince on the disney gay yeah that was one of my favorite shows actually because i love when people come bring their music

yeah i like i think well i just i get i got tired of like this whole do a set do your stand-up and it's like why are we here yeah so i like a theme show because i get to turn looks really it's for my wardrobe and me exercising that oh yeah well i feel like the wardrobe ties into a cultivated persona or a persona that I think you are on the way to cultivating. Oh, thank you. Which is pop star.

Can we talk about this? Yes. I, my plan is to be a pop star in the next two to five years. And I give us details. Well, I'm, I,

I am a pop star. I have pop music. I, I wear cat suits. I just bought a new body suit. That's in the mail. And so my goal is to tour worldwide with um pop show and and so my the idea behind this is that there's nothing there's pop stars

are like the least political figures in american history famously pop like oh i don't want to comment on that because it affects sales it's not about the politics i just focus on the music and so i i kind of pitch the idea, like what would happen if a pop star was inherently political? Could a pop star be successful and talk about universal healthcare and universal basic income? And so that's been the genesis of my pop star character.

Well, what do you feel about the fact that Taylor Swift is coming for your spot now? I love it. I love that. Hey, God bless. We need more people to talk about important things before the death of democracy that's true but pop stars and their entry point into any sort of political thought is always like it comes from such like a an like sub baseline

understanding of the way like you can say dumb you can say dumb i'm not saying they're not dumb they're just like they're like stating things that like everybody kind of knows. And I feel like I kind of, I mean, there isn't a political concept that like no one, that everyone is like familiar with, just on the same level. But I feel like sometimes pop stars say shit

and I'm just like, yeah, we've known that. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that. Oh, my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg. You're recording us?

I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy we were friends how could you do this to me i don't trust her the real housewives of salt lake city wednesdays at nine on bravo or stream it on city tv plus i'm julian edelman i'm rob grankowski guess what folks we're teammates again and we're gonna welcome you guys all to dudes on dudes i'm a dude you're a dude and dudes on dudes is our brand new show we're gonna highlight players peers guys that we played against legends from the past and we're just gonna sit here and talk about them and we'll get into the types of dudes what kind of types of dudes are there grunts we got studs wizards we got freaks or dudes dude we. We got dogs. Dogs.

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Dear Mr. President? Wait, no. Were you a lonely boy? About George Bush. It was like, girl, we know, we know. What was she boy about George Bush it was like girl we know what was she saying about George Bush it was just like dear Mr. President what made you this way

what damaged you so literally the line was were you a lonely boy hey God and also like of course Kelly Clarkson had her song of course she had a song that literally was when we when they go low we go high didn't um didn't a young um a young man

say that you guys stole his moment from him yeah um this is chaos this is chaos. This was when we went to The View. No, we do have to. Because if we have chaos here on the pod, we're going to actually bring chaos of our own. So listen, we actually went to The View, and it was because we were actually having a hard week that week, and that was a very fraught week, and we went to say, let's take our minds off everything

and go to the Kellylly clarkson uh no kelly clarkson at the view so we went to the view and a producer reached out to us and said we have tickets for you guys we know that matt you're a kelly clarkson fan so you should come to the show with a plus one on this day and yes this was a very hard i mean should we should we just say what this week was matt it was literally the week we found out that bone was getting snl and i wasn't so it was like it was like tough it was like it was not like it was it was a very emotional week and so we said let's and bone was still deciding whether or not to take it and i knew he was gonna take it and i was just like let's just enjoy these last couple days of of it being the way things are because things are going to change and it was an emotional time ultimately everything happened for the best and everything is amazing

but but that day it was hard so then we went and literally we were there because the producer said we know you're kelly's biggest fan so then we get there they have these seats for us they put us in there we're in the second row and then i start hearing titters around saying the producers saying we heard kelly's biggest fan is here we heard kelly's biggest fan is here there might be something and i said to bow and i was like you don't think that they put us here because like there's gonna be a thing because honestly had they put us on television that day and ke be a thing because honestly had they put us on television that day and kelly talked to me i would have been really embarrassing and cried i was so emotional so then kelly comes out does her interview i'm sort of shaking the whole time

meanwhile you should know that everything sunny hostin said all day bone and i were like yes yes sunny go get him sunny way to gowives. But that's a different story. Wait, what? She'd be fabulous, but she would never go on. She'd be on Roni. I don't think she'd ever go on Roni. Yeah, she has beef with Bethany, by the way. Oh, right. She's too classy for Roni.

But anyway, back to the view. So anyway, one more Sunny thing, which is during a break, we said was Bowen and I said at the same time, you look amazing, Sonny. And she turns to us and she goes, thank you. You know, when we have days off, I don't even wear makeup. Oh, my God.

We were like, wow. It was so. And then she turned around. She goes, nope, I don't I don't wear makeup at all. And the show started again. And she was like talking about health care or whatever. But the other the other the other sunny thing I want to say is there was a dance contest that was being hyped up by the the warm up comic during one of the commercial breaks. And they're like,

and it's all these like, you know, suburban moms from Jersey or Connecticut, or Long Island, just like dancing, dancing, dancing. And then, you know, the crowd gets hyped up. And then the warm up comic throws it over to the panelists. And she goes, Sonny, what did you think of the dance contest? She goes, I loved it. And then the warmup comic throws it over to whoopie and goes,

whoopie, what did you think? And then whoopie goes, I don't give a fuck about this. Iconic. Iconic. So funny. So anyway,

they're like, Kelly's biggest fan is here. Kelly's during an interview. And then they, they, they stop everything. And they're like kelly's biggest fan is here kelly during your interview and then they they they stop everything and they're like okay well there's someone really important that that we want you to talk to and they go over to this other gay that's sitting like sort of right in front of us wow yeah and then he tells her you know kelly like i'm your biggest fan like i've lost 90 pounds listening to your music. Every day when I was on that treadmill, you were with me.

And she was like, oh, my God, that's so cool. Yeah, y'all, I actually have tickets for you to the concert. And he was like, cool, cool, great. And he got to go up and get tickets, et cetera. We didn't know that they got us on camera, but they did. And the whole clip of us hearing the whole thing is online. And Bowen the whole time is online and bowen the whole time is just living for this other gay getting his moment and just so you know the background of it

was so dark so dark and and then we brought this we brought this moment up like a few episodes ago and then and then i think i think there was dust. The kid got upset again because he has his, this clip was going around again. And then he was just like, I, this is another reminder about how terrible of a day that was. And it's like, wait, I can't,

we can't weigh you getting you being able to talk to like your, your idol. And you're like, you're up, you're, you're, you're, you're hero worship person against me and my friend making funny faces

like to the side. Like it's not the same thing. I was like, it was like, this is funny. I talked to him back and forth in the DMs. I was like, you don't see how this is funny.

And he was like, it really hurts me the comments. I'm like, I understand that. But what was I going to do? Not post this if we had it? Like, come on,

bitch. You guys are wild. Okay. I was on your side until you said you were dming him telling him it's funny no because he was he he he kept he kept replying to all these tweets being like stop it now i'm hurt this is this and i was just like you know what i feel bad so i got in the kids dms and i was like hi i'm sorry that people are saying these things i hope you know know. I'm not. I didn't post this at your expense.

I posted at my own expense because I think it's funny that everyone that like knows who I am. Like I have some listeners of a podcast I do. They know what a big fan I am of Kelly Clarkson and me not getting this and you getting it. And the way my friend is acting is funny. That's why I posted it. And he was like, yes, but it's really hurt why I posted it. And he was like, yes, but it's really hurtful these things. And I'm like, dude, you know what?

It's just gonna be a difference of opinion. Because Z-Way, wouldn't you agree? I feel like this is something that people can glean from the show, from your show too, is that like grafting on any sort of victimhood narrative and I'm watching like Search Party right now, which I think deals with this. Like being too suffused in a victimhood narrative

is kind of like destructive in terms of like what it does to people sort of in your immediate vicinity when it comes to a certain situation. Because I feel like, I don't know if this kid is necessarily a victim in that situation. Do you know what I mean? But he was kind of like going around social media saying that he was, situation because i feel like i don't know if this kid is necessarily a victim in that situation do

you know what i mean but he was kind of like going around social media saying that he was and it's like wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute he was saying that that that this happening had made it a bad memory for him and i'm like you know what that's actually pathetic wait wait do you agree with him that i that you guys made it a bad memory for him i mean you know it i i can see his perspective as someone who probably has like what a hundred followers and then two people who have hundreds of thousands of followers saying get over it it's not a bad memory but wait you're telling me had that been who do you stand the most which pop star do you stand the most rihanna i love rihanna, so Rihanna's up on stage.

They say, and you've been given tickets to a show. They say, we know that Z-Way loves Rihanna. So we're setting Z-Way up in the second row. By the way, also, Z-Way, the biggest career opportunity of your life is not going to you, but your best friend is going to go join your other best friend at that opportunity. Just FYI, deal with this in the same hour that we're gonna watch rihanna tell this other girl and have a whole moment with her and then you get footage of you finding out the in the moment on youtube or not on twitter and you wouldn't post it you're saying

that you wouldn't post it you z way i would post it i would post it but i would knowing that it might hurt their feeling and that if it did hurt their feelings i am at fault i would post it but i would knowing that it might hurt their feeling and that it if it did hurt their feelings i am at fault for it but it's okay sometimes you and that's that's why i apologized well you're it was a really good apology but it was it was a genuine apology i got on the kids dms i said i'm so sorry this was not my intention literally if you watch the clip and take yourself out of it it's at my expense that's why i posted it and then he was like well you made it a bad memory for me and i said again i'm so sorry that's kind of what happens when you go on television this is so funny and unhinged and it all revolves around kelly clarkson on the view so it is really ridiculous amazing amazing i love that you guys

love kelly clarkson i love kelly clarkson behind these hazel eyes is one of the first songs i learned um with my voice coach um wow that's a hard song that's a really hard one no she's fantastic she's a fantastic singer um she seems like she has great charm justin from justin to kelly was a hit it was camp it deserves to be in the criterion collection i agree you should go on kelly clarkson's emmy winning daytime show i would like to be i would like to be packaged with her show like a an hour long just you should be packaged with her show you hear that nbc universal z-way is pro packaging by the way this is so controversial what you say z-wayWay is anti-WGA, pro-packaging. Yes, I hate the laborer. I love the Oden class, even

though I'm not a part of it. Yes. Oh my god, Bowen, I just noticed your shirt. Bowen is wearing his Taylor Swift Las Culturistas merch. Love it. Are you promoting this merch? Please be guys, get some. Get merch. Get merch. Can they still buy it?

I think the site is down but we're gonna get it going we gotta get it back running up again we have a lot of taylor swift merch you can buy um someday um but i did just want to bring up z-way because i was watching watch what happens live the other night and then who did i see but z-way doing the mazel of the week and you have come out yeah fast and furious as team denise are you guys um team denise i am team denise bone doesn't really watch okay yeah so it's either team denise are you abstain yeah i just think it's like are if like you're not the police like who let's leave this woman alone if she doesn't want to she's If she doesn't want to talk about it.

Yeah. So let's actually, let's explain this to Bowen in our terms and see if he's team Denise. So Z-Way, let him know what's going on with Denise and the ladies on Beverly Hills. Okay. So let's say I'm Kyle Richards and that's Denise Richards. Yes. This is great. I love this.

You're great. Okay. Denise Richards. Yes, this is great. I love this. You're great. Okay, so Kyle gets information from Brandi Glanville that Denise allegedly had sex with Brandi in a hotel room on set and that she cheated on her husband, she's bisexual, and that she, all of her castmates, that she called Erica Jane cold,

that she thinks Teddy Mellencamp is living in her father's shadow, even though she still goes by her father's surname, that she thinks Kyle doesn't care about is living in her father's shadow even though she still goes by her father's surname that she thinks kyle doesn't care about them etc etc now the fans are divided half of the people think that kyle richards has a right to ask denise to prod denise about this that lisa runoff talks to me about it and it's totally cool because that's what the show is about being honest and the other half the right side side of history, believes that Denise Richards shouldn't have to talk about things she doesn't want to talk about. And walking off set on reality TV is actually the realest way to behave.

Okay. So for context, is it every housewife is against Denise or there's no one on Denise's side? That's no. So basically what's happening is Denise has Garcelle Beauvais on her side. Yes. Okay. Which kind of inherently makes

her, makes that the right side. But also she's got Dorit Kemsley on her side, which is a little bit of a twist. Okay. Yeah. I know. It's really surreal to see this happen. But, so basically half these women are saying we want to get to the truth of this matter and Denise is like it's not true and I

don't want to talk about anymore Brandy's making shit up and the other women are like okay well we don't really believe that she's making shit up and then Denise is like well I don't really know what to tell you now usually it should be noted there are some inconsistencies in denise's story she does seem like she's hiding something a little bit but the way the women are going about it and pushing and pushing and pushing and have been pushing her all season on other issues such as she didn't want to talk about sex with the girls at a party where her kids were at and all the women thought they were judging them as mothers for doing that there's this narrative that denise is quote-unquote hiding something and brandy glanville with this information that they hooked up because she thought that denise and her husband had an open marriage and denise said in the morning don't tell my husband he'll kill me so brandy who famously

was cheated on by her husband with leanne rhymes is not down with cheating so when this happened to her she felt like shit and told the women now there's a lot going on here so i feel like i the reason i said of course of course when when you guys said that didn't there was some conflicting there was some contradictory things about her recounting i'm just like of course of course like anytime you're prodded proddedded, prodded, like, you know, things get sort of... Lost in translation.

They come out weird when you feel on the spot. Yeah. I feel like Brandy's a little shitty for telling the secret. Exactly. And you're on the right

side of history. Thank you. Welcome to the right side. Thank you. But that is how you framed it, Ziwe, on Mazel. Thank you, yeah. Yeah. I think that, Denise, there are holes in her story. But, like, welcome to the right side thank you but that is how you framed it z-way on on on mazel thank you yeah yeah i think that denise there are holes in her story but let go like let this woman live her

life she wants to lie let her fucking lie what's the big let her fucking lie and you bravely did that on the same watch what happens live as kyle richards and teddy mellengamp what were the reasons i didn't get to see oh girl kyle was not having you she literally it cut back to kyle richards and she rolled her eyes and shook her head a little bit like this oh my gosh ah that's so silly for you yeah but you love it i love it i mean i stand by denise i think you should like she's has a custody battle i think that they're more important things um yes i just yolanda foster said this she said we can't go over dead bodies on the way to making a good show

yes and there are real ramifications yeah um are we watching potomac yes oh my god it is it has been fire yes it's excellent excellent candace versusice versus Monique. Where do you stand? Monique. Candice is... I appreciate Candice, but I feel like it seems like... Maybe Candice is the Denise in the situation where all the other wives are like

piling on her maybe potentially, but I feel like Monique just wants some friendship restitution or something. Like some, she feels like something is owed to her. I like Wendy a lot. I like Wendy. She's a great addition.

Yeah. Um, I asked this to be on the pop show. I almost booked her. I almost booked her on pop show, but this is like a year ago. before she, like before she unraveled,

like her first season where she was like extra, but not doing too much. Um, and she directed me to her manager chris who i believe is her husband yeah that's her husband yes was she was she gonna be in new york was she gonna be in the area yeah and so i was gonna i was trying to get her and ashley darby to perform at pop show together that would never have happened in a million years too much drama if it had happened but yeah that was i was trying i was really trying you probably asked in the thick of it too my opinion is i feel like i actually like them both as reality cast members like i really enjoy candace i i mean famously i i gave her a beverage that was one of the funniest things i've ever heard in my entire life um but

it's kind of my thing with candace is it seems like she wants to do real housewives of potomac on her own time like she's pretty down in the confessionals she's down when it's like certain times and then all of a sudden at the baby shower last night she was all righteous and we're not gonna do this at the baby shower it's like well girl we don't have to do quote unquote this anywhere you're the one who always pushes it to the next level you want to have a calm conversation because we're at a baby shower let's do that but i mean it was a lot for ashley to even invite her there and then for her to act a scene and storm out so that ashley has to leave her own not baby shower uh baby party and see you later i i mean i i literally couldn't believe when they showed that when they

played the audio after the video cut out that made me feel like and then you know the show was very consciously taking candace's side yes but what do you what's your takeaway is it just that monique is fake as hell i don't think that monique is fake i just think that monique doesn't think that the monique is is pressed about candace having sharice at the party the cash bar party which let's just say that was really bad on the on the first episode yeah and but she is trying to buy a house so whatever let her save her money but cash bar on a year anniversary you just had everyone at your wedding everyone bought you gifts and not even a year later you're gonna have a cash bar you cover the drinks you're a cast member on a huge reality show but anyway um i think that they're not on the same page about just how much

of a betrayal it was to have sharice at that party and i feel like they just kind of want to fight about it yeah i really think so too i think so i think sharice is she is the she's she's the hot sauce in the dish that is potomac the crab wow of potomac yeah that's beautiful but where do you stand yeah stand on i'm monique is gorgeous beautiful they're both gorgeous she's gonna be on the grinder podcast this week the rear view really yes she's on tomorrow wow that's not with forever dog right it is yep well yeah she's monique is gorgeous so i so it's hard for me to say anything bad about her because her kids are beautiful. She seems like she has a great marriage. So, so, but great bird bird.

I'm team. I'm team Juan Dixon. He seems like he's got together. He's so hot. He's so hot. I'm a husband. Fuck. Don't we all?

I'm famously single. Don't we all? Ladies, what do you think? No, not Matt. Not Matt. Not Matt. I'm not single. Wow. Wow. don't we all ladies what do you think no not matt not matt not matt um wow wow um ladies what do we think about giselle getting back with her husband and the way that her kids feel a certain way about it recipe for disaster and the kids are so bummed out yeah they do not want this to happen i mean he had he had children outside of their marriage that's not very good that's not nice and she was just about to like pick her life back up with the

new house and stuff and then i think i think giselle when you take the when you take the man out of it like she she's i think she's one of the best because her first episode of the season going okay we can talk but you're gonna need to stop talking iconic line iconic line okay you and i can talk but you have to stop talking is you shut your mouth when you're talking it's it's iconic word on the street is i'm still the word on the street that was like such a bad remix wait can we talk about how she's the best the most attractive worst dressed person in america one of the most beautiful hideously dressed people. Lots of fuchsia. Lots of like zebra print.

Rhinestones. I'm just, it's troubling. I don't know who, not to, I don't want to insult anybody's work but we need to upgrade. It's reflected in her home decor too. She's got like this disgusting. It looks like it looks like a Marshall's

section. Like it's just like like different accoutrement picked from like uh a service that collects accoutrement from other distilleries yes yes it's like colorful but they're bad colors you know what i mean like she's got like a tacky taste yeah she really i the most, she's gorgeous. Absolutely gorgeous. Beautiful. And she has no style. Oh, the silver chairs is just like, oh. I mean, my favorite, I think the person who I'm loving the most this season is the Grand Dame herself, is Miss Karen Huger. She is, number one, I loved it the whole time. She was just like, I'm trying to focus on my fish.

This Chilean sea bass is very good. And then they capped it off at the end of the episode as, I want more food. Amazing. Also, Rihanna loves Karen. So we're on. She loves Karen. Yeah.

She commented on her Instagram live. So clearly she has, the queen has tastes. Yeah. The queen has tastes. We should ask Z-Way the question. Oh, yeah, we have to ask you the question. Oh, what's the question? Oh, my God. Okay, Z-Way, we're going to ask you the question oh yeah we have to answer the question oh my god okay

we're gonna ask you the question we ask all of our guests which is what is the culture that made you say culture is for me this is formative culture um that moved your life into a cultural direction it could be a movie a book a play uh a tv show clueless uh Uh-huh. Fabulous. Definitive text of Z-Way's life. But then also, a decade later, Real Housewives. Yeah, yeah. Now, talk about Clueless first. What was it about you? Describe the texture of your feelings around the film.

Well, I think Stacey Dash was one of just like the first, I mean, you know, obviously her personal politics aside, was one of the black women that i saw that was absolutely glamorous on that screen on that film and i just thought dion was like the baddest thing walking the coolest girl in high school and so a lot of my personality is based on that fictional character i think the clothes that i wear are definitely pulled from clueless like my entire vibe is Beverly Hills teenager. That makes a lot of sense.

You said that Stacey would be one of your dream guests on the show, right? I would like to interview Stacey. I don't know. I would like to interview Stacey. I'd be interested in that, yeah. I think she would do it. I think she would do it too, but I think we'd say that again, I think we'd say that for the television show proper. When we'd have

a Clueless moment, I think it would be that for the the television show proper when we'd have a clueless like moment like i think it would be the meeting of lines the thing is about stacy dash is while she is so incredible and clueless and she really is like some of her line readings are i mean really underrated like i feel like no everyone talks about britney murphy's line readings and alicia silversone's performance but no one really talks about how fucking incredible stacy dash is like i feel like i feel like the line well there goes your social life gets credit but she doesn't get credit and she doesn't get credit for share she is toe up our stock would plummet like that's so fucking good but um i i still think for someone who's a funny performer i wonder about her sense of humor.

Ooh. What do you mean? Don't you feel like to go on your show, you have to have some sort of sense of humor? You have to be willing to have the piss taken out of you? Whereas, like, I don't know. It depends. I saw her do, I think Hans just mentioned this. Yeah, a silly Eric Andre episode.

I watched that episode again two days ago because I love the Eric Andre show. And she was really funny because there were rats on the floor and they were biting at her heels. So she acted naturally. I think the best rated guest or best Instagram live guests

are either people who are comedic like George Sifaris or Josh Sharp or like Dana Donnelly. People like that in that field or Patty Harrison, or they're like super straight. I'm just here. Like Alyssa Milano is playing straight. Right.

Calloway was straight. I believe Alison Roman was straight. So I think it depends on the guests because I tweak my questions to if the person's pure of heart or if they are brought into the soul, like a comedian. Right. Of course. the soul like a comedian right of course right like a comedian but then so you're saying that there is like there is like a short list of guests that you would want to say for the show and that includes stacy dash because i agree with you that you would want certain there are certain guests that are perfect for the instagram show yeah but not for the eventual tv show yeah and that's smart yeah i think so because

stacy is a production like the fanfare around her is what I'm attracted to. Right. Is she a Trump supporter or is she a Republican? I don't know. I think she was just a working actress looking, you know. You don't get paid for those Fox News appearances, though. She was getting paid for that. She was a correspondent.

You do get paid to be a correspondent. Yeah. I think there is some money in that. I think it was a job for her. I would love to ask her and be like, so seriously, what's the deal? But I have no clue. This fall on Bravo.

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it was the limos episode where she's like you stole my gosh damn house and i have never seen anything so perturbed on screen before and it felt so real because it's like even if you're feeding them lines as producer like that hatred is something you can never write or they're the best in the world um so i watched that and i was like wow rage i feel that and so that was my entrance and then beverly hills obviously with clueless i was just attracted to the she she she she like how glamorous it was the diamonds and rosé of lisa vanderpump um the camille grammar of it all and kelsey grammar being on it for like four minutes being like i hate you i'm divorcing you and then leaving so all of that i found to be really quite intriguing now how do you feel about the way it's developed over time since you've been

watching it from the beginning so we sort of had that like seed of re because i do agree beverly hills sort of used to be about the cracks in the china yeah if you will like how how people um try to keep their very very very um actually very fragile but high society lives together and what can happen when that the underbelly is revealed so how do you feel about um the lisa rena of it all and it's sort of being about like less let's keep it all under the rug and watch it shatter and let's get it all out there and own it now but we're not owning everything inherently because if we pick and choose what to own that is not ownership that is that's producing um so i don't like to see the seams i like to see the seams of john the producer telling denise i think you're making a

mistake go back talk to the girls I like that I like the production of it all I'd love to see the production schedules and people being like I don't want to shoot with xyz like let's see that realness of Hollywood yeah I don't love the like maneuvering of individual cast members being like you tell your secrets because we know they exist because what we'll find is that a lot of because Lisa Rinna is is very guarded on that show there's a lot we don't know we didn't know that um Harry had a son until yesterday's episode but she's been on the show for five seasons um yeah that's just a testament so so i like i if we're gonna be real let's be fucking real but i don't think that honesty i don't know i just don't i just don't entirely buy that i think

it's really pointed and calculated but it's an honesty that feels very idealistic. It's like, I mean, I'm not even someone who watches the show, but all the big moments of that show post-Renna have been, like, Lisa Renna at dinner being like, did you guys do cocaine? It's like all these things where she's confronting people. But it's like, how destructive

is that, actually? It's not fully restorative, is it? No, I would love to see, what would be a great way to turn that is be like, okay, have you done coke in your bathroom, Dorit Kemsley? And then let's watch Dorit spiral about the fact that the show is coming out

in six months and she's worried about that. Let's watch them react to like the Twitter. Let's get a camera on them when the show is on television and seeing them like spiral. Like, let's go to to that realness if we're going to be that honest let's unveil it entirely um but that's just my taste as an unscripted connoisseur i one day i think i'll do unscripted television but only as like a producer like yeah and be in it i think it's really interesting to watch the sort of and There was a piece about Lisa Rin.

I believe it was Vulture that did it. But it was about how she is the prototypical castmate as producer in a way that's sort of interesting now in this season when sort of the two worlds, the world that appears on screen and the world that appears behind the cameras are sort of all falling away. And now there's rumors that Lisa Rinna's personal life

might be explored next season because there's rumors about the Harry Hamlin of it all and maybe they're living in two different homes and never forget the way that she reacted to Kim Richards suggesting something about Harry at that dinner when she slammed the the glass down and said don't ever fucking talk about my husband and Kyle Richards ran out of the room when Kim Richards called Eileen Davidson a beast. You beast. How dare you? Beast? Beast?

Beast? I would love to see Lisa Rin a moment. Don't you ever go after my husband. And she goes, we'll see you Lisa Rin a moment. What do you want out? And she's like getting up at the table. It was really a beautiful like a beautifully directed scene

it was history so I think Lisa Rinna for that yeah Lisa Rinna has definitely contributed to a lot of chaos I just wonder if she's going to be paying for that yes karmically yes but you seem to be talking about

this thing where you want to see production and the post-production aspect of these shows a little bit more um to the fore and i feel like maybe it's fun to even just have like a lot of the season be the reunion episodes i would potentially love that i love the reunions i'm like women best slide me up like this is a this is great this is entertaining um so i would love i would love to see the seams of just like whose dressing room is bigger than whose like let's do it let's do it yeah yeah apparently we're in for some crazy reunions with beverly hills in new york because i i some women are not even talking to each other i mean lisa rena was really upset about the Beverly Hills reunion.

And apparently the New York reunion is like Ramona's comeuppance. Oh, I can't wait for Leah. I love Leah. I can't wait for her to drag Ramona. It'll happen. I want Ramona. I want Ramona destroyed. I really do.

Yeah, she's trying to be a classist. Like, it's like you're... Yeah. Like, who the fuck do you think you are? Yeah. So what, what, what are your thoughts on New York?

Um, I'm loving New York. Um, it is, it makes me never want to drink again. That's true. New York keeps me sober. Truly.

Like, it's only a Morgan, like throws it back. I'm concerned. Yeah. It's tough. And they need to talk about it. That's the theme for New York.

I feel that's like the underlying theme. I mean, I, am i saying something that we all already know that we've that we've known go on but it's like the leah the leah the luann and the sonia and even the ramona let's i mean all of them it's like they all have this problem with drinking and with dipping back and with falling off the wagon and it's like this is really really really fucking dark and we're arguably dorinda's the worst yeah well i used to like dorinda i remember y'all speaking positively about dorinda we did she's mean she's it's it's tough it's dark now are you a dorinda in your life i used to say i was a little bit of a dorinda back when when she drank it got a little dark and then like now i don't identify with Dorinda at all.

I honestly think that Dorinda needs to really take a break and figure out what's going on. And I don't know if this is cool to say, but I actually watched Real Housewives this week with my mother, and she's never seen it at all. And I watched Beverly Hills and New York withly hills and new york with her and we're going to watch potomac tomorrow but um i've already seen it but i watched it again with my mother but my mother was like well in new york seems like they have a lot more fun together

and i think they might be on to something about the menopause like when sonia and ramona were talking about how possibly dorinda may be going through menopause and they wanted to bring that up with her and my mother literally said that's what I was just going to say. So that could be like, I hadn't even thought of that because why would I think of that? But my mother as a woman that age was like, yeah, that's clearly to me what's going on. Oh, wow. Wait. Wow.

Hey, I have something to look forward to. Hey. Getting to pop off after one drink. can't wait i look forward to the day who do you identify with on roni alia you're alia you're very much alia i i say it like it is and if you don't like me it's like i elevate this shit like that's your taste level yeah you're new you're exciting you're fresh and you you have the back i i'm like i'm a carol you're carol well i i was team carol i think carol was right in that me too we were both team carol yeah we were both team carol obviously any any to get into a five well i actually think that's why

bethany ended up leaving was a result of the fallout from that storyline which was a lot of people calling out the fact that they could see bethany working to make that fight work because she was looking really ugly in that like when she said to carol you don't have a career like that was really messy and i think that while bethany while bethany is like um someone that the fan base is never going to be ready to let go of and she would have to opt to leave i think she sensed a turn in the way that she knows how to play the game on the show and the way it's received now and i think ultimately like that combined with the fact that her personal life is just so fraught she was done she had to walk away gotta walk away it's better to walk out on top truly truly my um that's gonna be my

catchphrase when i do a housewives of brooklyn r.h.o i'm leaving in six episodes you would do six and that would be and that would be like all you would get out of it for your own personal game because it's like you're if you're on more than a season they're gonna come for your life i have demons i also do think that bethany made one final genius move in her tenure at real high schools of new york which was discovering leah and now she can say the show is still only good because of me you know what i mean like she she she put that in there at the last second she was like remember me bitch here's a smaller version of me younger version of me who will the audience will become obsessed with and i do think leah has the potential to become the next bethany oh leah is absolutely taking the throne and that's why ramona shook

yeah you're right you're right and ramona was always about pleasing bethany or was always about seeking some sort of validation from bethany yeah. And it was never hers to lose. It was like Taylor Swift's August. It was never Ramona's to lose the throne. Wow. Thank you. I think it's time we move on. But this reminds me of an I don't think so, honey, sort of moment in history,

which is when Ziwe pulled Sasha and Malia Obama out of the troll bowl and refused to play the game. I don't think so, honey. She said, I don't think so honey she said i don't think so honey i'm not doing this and screamed into the mic for nearly a whole minute and we had to just accept that z-way was not playing ball with i don't think so honey sasha and malia revolutionary what we did it no i was like i was like know what? That's a good way to go out. No. Oh my God, Ziwe, when we do it again? No.

I mean, that was a historic moment. Thank you. And anarchic revolutionary, you put us in our place. We had no right to ask you to do that. It was totally on brand for you. Well, we didn't. The troll ball asked you to do that. Yeah, I think I picked one from the troll ball

and I didn't know who it was. It was like a theater person. And then I picked black woman at all costs yes i get it and it was very right of you to say fuck no to the system um and who knows maybe we'll see it again uh but bowen what is i don't think so honey i don't think so honey is our segment where we take one minute to rail against something in the culture while saying the words i don't think so honey um so matt i think you have something i do and i just want to say before i do it i do not think so honey bill clinton and i don't think we should be hanging on to bill clinton and i really think we need to fucking move on as a country and i'm sure you agree the way i would love to interview bill i think he would be an iconic guest and that's her way of saying that she

agrees with me but I do prepare another one okay wonderful this is Matt Rogers I don't think so honey and his time starts now I don't think so honey ringtones being able to be heard sounds being on on your phone I don't think so honey

ringtones not one bop in the bunch it's all it sucks you think of hell when a ringtone plays because ringtones are commonly i don't think so honey alarm clocks which are awful and wake you up i don't think so honey ringtones when they're on i've been around my parents a lot and they have their phone sounds on all the time and i'm like dear god your phone is right next to you maybe you could just turn it on silent or vibrate these things vibrate so loud anyway i don't think so that we need them to be on they are so annoying there's not one cool ringtone sound 15 honestly how about this turn your ringtone on and all of a sudden wop plays by megan b stallion and

cardi b just kidding because then i'd be irritated with anton because it's a ringtone i don't think so honey ringtones only silent tones aka nothing i don't think so honey and that's one minute so you're saying anything that's a ringtone is automatically like invalid it's it's you can't phone sounds are out they're canceled they're done stop yeah i'm telling you when you get a text and it goes shut up it is so annoying and now that you know you're texting with someone guess what you can do turn your ringtone sound off like now you know that you're in the middle of a conversation you're engaging with someone just do that i don't need to hear the ring-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a yeah yeah you feel this way sure i feel this way i really do i i have nothing to add i'm just supporting you thank you and z-way supports as well and with that support we're gonna we're gonna move on

we're gonna move did you still call yourself an iconic guest? Ringtones. Oh. Would be an iconic guest. I would love to bring myself to the Instagram live show. Like, red dog. Funny if I brought myself to my people. I mean, who would be the Wiltshire Jada in that situation?

Would it be your parents or something? Who would that be? I don't know. Maybe an ex-boyfriend who would see me at my worst. Yeah. Oh, that's fun. Could bring you to the Red Table. Do you watch the Red Table? Yeah, I watch the hits. The Jordan one.

Yeah, I watch that one. So you saw Will and Jada when they brought themselves to the red table of course it was really dramatic and intense i felt like i was a voyeur like i didn't think i should yeah it was so intimate that's what i want to see in real housewives well what was like i think vulture wrote about how like that was very unusual in terms of celebrity marriage culture where it's like you never really get to see a conversation like this that like like the one that jada and will had because we're so we're so sort of trained in this

traditional media sense that like marriages go through a hardship in this model but i mean that was like i thought that was pretty huge and that was all anyone talked about that day it was iconic it was iconic i i when i get a divorce you better believe i'm going to milk that on my daytime talk show honey yeah it'll be a topic of discussion special your own entanglements will be unentangled um okay so bowen yang are you ready with your i don't think so honey uh i'm ready well that's good because this is bowen yang's i don't think So Honey. His time starts now. I don't think so. How many people saying I can't believe in the year 2020. We have to save the postal service. It's like get over your fucking like snarky ass like disbelief.

Who cares? We are beyond disbelief at this point. Like every other dystopic thing has led us up to this point. This should come as no surprise. Absolute power, absolute corruption should come as no surprise. Absolute power, absolute corruption should come as no surprise. So yes, buy a sheet of stamps,

but don't fucking like roll your eyes at how ridiculous the circumstances are. Thank you. At unfortunately. So yes, there's no need for like a snide comment on it. I don't, you don't have to editorialize your own responsibility as it were and it is an unfortunate responsibility to to help the postal services funding i mean it sucks

it's unfortunate you do not have to contribute to the conversation by saying isn't this crazy i'm so over this no you're not you're you are pressed under the thumb of fascism. And that's one minute. Yeah, we should thank you, Bowen, for bringing that up because the United States Postal Service is under attack. It's being dismantled as we speak. And Trump is gaslighting the country by tweeting, save the post office. And he will try to blame it on the Democrats. It is entirely of his own making. And have to like honestly support this in every way we can and it's not just buying stamps it's sending money directly like do do the most to say the least i'm saying there's just and this is not like a weird dumb infighty thing it's like i'm saying there's just

like weird sort of uh notion around people being like wow can you believe this this is the world we're in it's like yeah it is unfortunately but like you don't have to remark on it i don't know it's womp womp culture and it's and it's so annoying it's womp womp oh can you believe this culture it's like yeah we're we've been believing it believe it yeah it's like what what could have ever led to this moment in time it's like everything have you read the book like what are you talking about this there are no surprises here yeah exactly exactly um okay z-way this is this is gonna be you'd be an iconic guest this this would be an iconic i don't think so honey this is z-ways

i don't think so honey her time starts now okay i don't think so honey unpaid black labor you guys got me on here writing jokes to you what in the world am i getting paid from i don't think so, honey. Unpaid black labor. You guys got me on here writing jokes. What in the world am I getting paid for? Are you cutting it? I am a black woman. I have forever and I deserve to be paid for my time. And I don't think so, honey, is asking me to do work. And this goes out to all the black ladies out there who are working for free don't do it yeah and a mat in your lives

30 seconds thank you thank you so much for the offer but i think i'm going to pass this time every day i learn a lesson so you don't have to so this is is really dissonant to the fact that I have to work for free right now and also frequently. And so let's stop

because we have to unite together and unionize. Five seconds. Viva la people! And that's one minute

Viva la people. It's actually Ruliculture number 77. Viva la people! Viva la people might be a good title of 77. Viva La People! Viva La People might be a good title of ep. Viva La People is a good title of ep. Z-Way, I want you

to name a number. Yeah, I want to know how much do you want for that? $7,000. No, we can't do that. $7,000 for the whole episode? My rate is high. I have to get Jeff for Z-Way Jr. No, Matt, I reject the notion that Matt thinks it's too high.

You think that $7,000 is what Z-Way deserves for this podcast episode? I am not the person to appraise. On Instagram and Twitter, if you think that I'm worth $7,000. We're going to figure this out. We're going to figure this out. Well, Bowen has that expendable income. No, I actually don't. I actually do not.

I am bone dry cash wise at the moment. And yet here he is offering up. So I guess he thinks that I'm going to take this one on the chin. It's it's no, no, no, no. Oh, my God. Right. OK, this is what I was saying earlier. Grafting on a victim in narrative is so dangerous when you are not the victim.

I have a question for both of you who aren't victims. What is a black woman worth? Hmm. Hmm? Everything. Check your Venmo. Check your Venmo. Nothing. Oh my goodness. Z-Way, we're so sorry that we had brought you onto the show

under the pretenses of unpaid black labor and we will we are part of the problem we will make it we will make we will do right by this ultimately

you actually played right into the trap because you gave us an amazing I don't think so honey and thank you for it curses delete this

curses stop recording everyone everyone everyone everyone stop turn this off and not just an amazing i don't think so honey an amazing whole episode whoo z way damn thanks for having me this is so fun we love you so great

um is that what you but is that the quote the poll quote from the i don't think so honey was is black women don't say this was so fun thanks for the offer oh no but that was when the that was when the offer goes out right oh no you, no, you're right. I did actually just repeat. I did do that. That's the conditioning. That's the tragedy. Yes, you've internalized indebtedness. We all have to examine this.

Right. We're a part of the problem. I am part of the problem. Every day. Well, listen, you're an absolute fool if you're not following at z-way and tuning in at z-way f really there's what was z-way taken i i am currently in a war with the woman who has z-way f z-way on instagram um i she has blocked me on my main and i do

every day unbelievable listening please support a nigerian woman please do it for the community do it for culture you're you're you know you are part of the solution you could be the john f kennedy to my martin luther king think about it think about it about it i do want to really quickly mention um that this is this is a soundbite that's really like bounced around in my brain for years now one of the first baited episodes of this was with michael antinucci who we love and at one point you talked to him about like dating black women and then or no no you talked to him about like how you make him feel and then he just stammers a bit and then you go what don't be

intimidated by a strong black woman the way you said it is so so so perfect and so good and like that was the moment that was before i met you that was the moment before i came into the above averages offices i think and i was just like who is this person and like she's so oh my gosh thank you so z-way thank you we're happy to know you and we celebrate you and we direct everyone to at z-way f because that battle is not yet won but don't be surprised if in the coming days all of a sudden it's at Z-Way but for now it's at Z-Way F Thursday nights

is baited it's at 8pm Eastern Standard Time because she's a Brooklyn girl so tune the hell in for all those amazing episodes and follow everything that Z-Way does what do you say uh cheers um cheers amazing episodes and follow everything that Z-Way does what do you say cheers and we

do end every episode with a song and I feel it's only right to allow Z-Way to do the song and you know what song we're talking about no Melania Sri Lanka I love this job Melania do I sing it okay sing it do it every episode ends with a song

I listen to the episodes but not all the way through. They're like, no. Yes. Not all the way through. Let's end there. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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