Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Omarosa Fan Club" (w/ Ayo Edebiri)

Episode Date: August 15, 2018

Every critic, every detractor, will have to bow down to this episode. It’s everyone who’s ever doubted this episode, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged it. It is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful episode in the universe.Friends, Matt and Bowen get into it with Ayo Edebiri: "Monk", Maya Rudolph, Gayle King, Bethany Frankel, Harry Potter, "Big Night", Season 2 of "Big Little Lies" and most of all: Omarosa Manigault-Newman. For those Culturistas who watched "The Apprentice," "Celebrity Apprentice," "Celebrity Apprentice: All Stars," and the news this week: your episode has arrived.IDTSH's include Savanah Guthrie, "Crazy Rich Asians" detractors, and "The Romanoffs".---MERCH! MERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasLAS CULTURISTAS HAS A PATREON! For $5/month, you get exclusive access to WEEKLY Patreon-ONLY Las Culturistas content!!https://www.patreon.com/lasculturistasSUBSCRIBE ON APPLE PODCASTS TODAY!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASTforeverdogpodcasts.com/las-culturistas  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las culturistas. Every critic, every detractor will have to bow down to President Trump. It's everyone who's ever doubted Donald, whoever disagreed, whoever challenged him. It is the ultimate revenge to become

the most powerful man in the universe. Ding dong! Lascaux Teresa's calling! Okay. We're crying. It's still, it's up there for me with Adele Dazeem. It will never not be funny. The most

powerful man in the universe if you ever doubted donald anyone who ever disagreed disagree we literally just played and i can't even quote it back okay hi guys wow our guest just came into the room and we just matt insisted on keeping this episode topical and releasing it on this very day. Well, because listen, you guys, Matt has so much to say about Omarosa because, and here's, here's the truth. Matt texted me today out of nowhere saying it's insane that all this Omarosa shit is going down and that the view is on a break.

I think it's the biggest tragedy. The biggest tragedy of the whole situation is the fact that I can't hear Meghan McCain say that she doesn't care about it. I can't hear Sonny Hostin's take. She's a lawyer. She's a lawyer. So she knows this world. Look, all I'm saying is they say that Madonna is the queen of reinvention.

No, bitch. It's Omarosa Manigault Newman. She's not Newman. Formerly Stallworth. Formerly Stallworth. Now, wait. No. Omarosa has never once reinvented herself.

She's always been the same fucking person she is a political shark she is a reality tv um huntress we have to bring her she is a minister honey but we oh yes but i remember do you remember the moment you saw her on the apprentice yes vividly like i along with the rest of the nation was just like who the fuck is this and were you obsessed you obsessed? I was obsessed. I was obsessed. Obsessed. Even in the first graphics package,

when they went through all the contestants, and then she's just walking around D.C. Like, I even worked at the White House. Yeah, yeah. Talking about how she worked for Bill Clinton. I was like, ooh, this woman is... She is one to watch. She is one to watch.

And then she became the person we know today. All I'm saying is, don't ever forget about when the piece of plaster know today all i'm saying is don't ever forget about when the piece of plaster hit her on the head and don't ever forget when on celebrity apprentice she kept accusing pierce morgan of being closet oh my god wait oh my god their feud is so ridiculous yes let's bring in the guys you know they're both like pro-trump well i don't know maybe they've flipped every now and then oh please well anyway we have to bring in our guests yes oh my god i'm so excited this is a guest that i think we first saw maybe we were at the same show at club coming at club coming and we first saw this guest and i was like oh no we must i was like this person on i just knew i literally went up to matt after she

went up and did her set where she performed um her her version of the cup song where she took out a color purple cup and made Dwayne Perkins tap out the cup song so that she could sing her I got a ticket to the cup store I might even

I don't want to put her on the spot but I just need to hear it again before I die if you want to hear things like that you can go to the show. She has a monthly show at Vital Joint. Next one is August 23rd. It's called In Bad Taste. She I think

is so fucking funny. Truly like what a revelation to see her perform. You may even remember her performance on our I Don't Think So Honey stage. where she ended her i don't think so honey in a little jingle and a little jingy remember she goes i don't think so and it was iconic it was amazing you know the stage presence is off the charts and the vocalista within was truly unleashed that night and And everyone, whoever doubted Ayo, whoever disagreed,

has to bow down. It is the most ultimate revenge to become Ayo Edebri! Yay! Ayo. I do think so. Ayo! So.

Ayo, I mean, how does, because this is a pretty historic episode already for us because we've never started the episode with anything other than ding dong. I cannot even begin to sort of get into the amount of blessing that I feel. And Omarosa Manigault Newman, formerly stalwart. Almost Clark Duncan. And we both were there. Manigault Newman formerly Stalwart

almost Clark Duncan and we both were there don't forget it and never forget because the family does want an investigation they want an I'm sorry I'm not familiar with this the family wants an investigation

the family wants an investigation it never ends is what you're saying that the Clark Duncan family The family wants an investigation. Oh my. It never ends. Wait, what is this? I missed this saga. Is what you're saying that the Clark Duncan family would like an investigation into his death? Into his death.

Oh. By virtue of Omarosa. And they never got it. That there was foul play? That there was something. Well, because you know how the story goes. The story goes. I think I missed this. Okay, so this is. I knew there was a tragedy in That there was something. Well, because you know how the story goes. The story goes- I think I missed this.

Okay, so this is- I knew there was a tragedy in her life. This is- There's a tragedy in her life. And you would hope it was sort of the genesis, but it wasn't. No, no, no, no. It was-

It's but a footnote, honey, in the larger story that is Omarosa. But a mere footnote. Okay, so he had labored breathing in bed beside her this is what she says and she poisoned him that's what happened she heroically brought him back to life she the story goes that she allegedly heroically or not allegedly she he was alive and continued to live after this heart attack that he had for two months and like, it was five weeks after he passed away

that she started shooting The Celebrity Apprentice. And, cast members on The Celebrity Apprentice, which, as I can tell you today from being on a YouTube wormhole,

include Latoya Jackson, Claudia Jordan. Was she on the same season as Joan Rivers? No. She was not. She wasn't. Okay, okay.

Because I think Joan Rivers was on the second season. Yeah, it still was an iconic season full of heavy was not. Okay, okay. Because I think Joan Rivers was on the second season. It still was an iconic season full of heavy hitters. Oh, yes. I think Vivica Fox was on that season. Yes. And she and Omarosa did not get along. Oh my god. Wasn't fucking... I'm sorry, keep going. They all say...

I was watching them all on Wendy Williams because Wendy Williams would have all the celebrity... We have to talk about Wendy Williams and Omarosa too, but keep going. We do. I love... Wendy Williams would have all the celebrity we have to talk about Wendy Williams and Omarosa too but keep going we do um but she would have all the um celebrity apprentice cast offs like Mary Lou Henner sorry yes Mary Lou Henner sure sure sure and all of them almost all of them said that that they felt Omarosa was using Michael Clarke Duncan's passing to her advantage throughout the competition and that she would always whip it out whenever she was in a tough spot and say,

like, she apparently never once cried on the show. And she has, like, of course, a justification for it in her own interview with Wendy, where she was like, you know, I really grieved other losses in my life and I realized you just can't be crying in bed. You have to just keep going. So I went and shot The Apprentice.

Wow. What a remarkable woman. I mean, what a woman. Yes. Just chills at the thought of her. A figure in history. Really? Really?

She's made her mark. She knows who she is. I remember like clocking her as a young woman and knowing like, oh, people think they see the power now and they don't even begin to understand. Because if you are that much chaos as a black woman and your edges are that laid, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? She's a force to reckon with.

She's a force. Shakespearean in her way. You know what I'm saying? Yes. You peel back the layers. There's more. Absolutely iconic. I'm telling you,

there will never be a day that she is not relevant. I'm telling you. And the thing is, it's like I am now seeing people are trying to find all these parallels. And it's like you, you just,

you simply won't. No. It's a waste. You just have to be here for this. Yes. Parallels for what? For who she could be like in history. No, It's a waste. You just have to be here for this. Yes. Parallels for what? For who she could be like in history. No, she's unprecedented.

Unprecedented. And I'll tell you who, I mean, if there's a parallel to draw. It's Trump. It's Trump. It's Trump. It's Trump. Because truly, talk about somebody who just by sheer force of creating drama and chaos in the world has gotten to this.

He's met his match. He's met his match. Yes. Yes. That is Omarosa He's met his match. Yes. Yes. That is Omarosa. And it is heroic. Wow. Are we celebrating Omarosa?

I celebrate her. I, okay. I celebrate her. So I can't obviously entirely celebrate. No, of course. She's doing damage. But I do have,

she's doing damage. But as an iconic black villain in history yes and i i mean just a trailblazing black villain yes i mean condoleezza is shaking yes condoleezza is not chivalry condoleezza is not intellectually or creatively capable of what miss manigault newman is is capable of. Oh my God. Also, I love reading in anyone's Wikipedia. Oh, yes.

That they say their whole name and then they say often referred to mononymously as Omarosa. And it's just like, you know how they bold the name? Yes.

They also bold it just often referred to mononymously as Omarosa. I was like, you're right. She is a one name icon. Yeah. And she did not, like she did not like

christen that herself. No. She became known as Omarosa. Yes. She had the presence. She had the sheer magnitude of self,

of terror. We would go into school. I was in the eighth grade doing the first season of Apprentice. We'd go to school. The teachers in the eighth grade doing the first season of Apprentice. We'd go to school. The teachers would start discussions in class about Omarosa.

Oh, did you guys watch The Apprentice last night? How about that Omarosa? It was a phenomenon. I mean, she culturally is just a figure. She's so... She's been famous for almost 15 years. That's insane. And it's the same type of fame. It's what you were saying.

It's not that it's shifted in any regard. No. She's like, this is who I am. Yes. And you will something it. You will something it. You will at least notice. Correct. And regard it. There is a scene in Celebrity Apprentice.

I was watching it a bunch of clips today. And it was the scene where... She was in the van with Piers and she was like screaming at him. That was when they were competing with each other. Then again, she was on it again. Right, for All Stars. For All Stars Celebrity Apprentice. Which I mean,

wow, what a place to be. Celebrity Apprentice All Stars. That's what got us here in the fucking first place. I guess Piers became a judge And they made up No they did not He had it out for her since the beginning And then there's a scene in the boardroom

I believe in the episode where Omarosa gets fired Because she was always fired, she never won the show She never even got close She came in like 8th place in her first season She came in 10th in the third season What a character backstory. What a justice. She was a lovely ninth alternate

to the first, to the whatever title. And so basically he says like, so it was a challenge where it was like, she's sitting there with Lil Jon and Dennis Rodman to give you an idea. Again, another true international cultural figure, Dennis Rodman. I mean, yes.

So it was a challenge where they had to get their famous friends to give them money or something. They had to auction off celebrity belongings. That's what all the challenges were, though, for the celebrity promises. Right. But Piers said Dennis Rodman was able to sell this bat that Derek Jeter donated for $5,000. What were you able to do, Omarosa? She was like, well,

you know, I contributed in other ways. I sold other things. And he was, and he said to her, he's like, yeah, but you don't have celebrity friends because you're not a celebrity.

And this has always been my thing with you Omarosa. You're not a celebrity. And Omarosa just goes, and you are. And basically it was just like, it was just like, how can you argue with that? Piers Morgan is a piece of shit

yeah Omarosa is Omarosa Omarosa over Piers Morgan every fucking day I would die if there was a war I would die

I would die for her in the war of Piers versus Omarosa I would die for Omarosa I would absolutely die for her and again

you know here it is. It comes to a matter of edges for me. Piers wishes. Piers wishes he had the edges. He wishes he had the often referred to mononymously edges. Yes, yes. He wishes he had the regard factor.

No. And at the end of the day, he simply does not. He wishes that he wrote a book called The Bitch Switch. Hello. Oh. Oh. Oh. It was actually on his alternate title, you know, of whatever book he released.

No. Yes. He wishes. And he couldn't. The Bitch Switch. I forgot about The Bitch Switch. That was what she was promoting when she went on Wendy Williams. That, for me, put Wendy Williams on the map for me.

The Omarosa. Well, because I didn't listen to radio. I didn't know who Wendy Williams was. And then she had her show. But then it was in the first for me. Go Omarosa. I didn't listen to radio. I didn't know who Wendy Williams was. And then she like had her show. But then like it was in the first season that she brought Omarosa on. And that fight, I was like, wow, this is unlike anything I've ever seen before. There's a really good one. It's beautiful.

There's a really good one too where she went on Bethany's talk show. Oh, yes. I could talk about Bethany's talk show. And Bethany. Well, you're in the right place, hon. My girl, hearts out. Because she's going through it. Bethany's talk show. And Bethany. Well, you're in the right place, hon. My girl, hearts out. Because she's going through it. Bethany's going through it.

I feel very sad for her. And I'm not a Bethany fan. There's a Trump connection there, too. That's so fucked up. Isn't it insane? Okay, also, because I'm deep in the sort of Instagram well of it, that man, he got top billing on an RIP post with Bethany's recently deceased dog.

Yes, he did. RIP to my two babies who gave me unconditional love and it's him and the dog. And it's him and the dog. And they're like lying back to back on her like queen size mattress. And the man's eyes are like open, even though he's lying back to back.

It's really surreal. We do have to pray for Bethany. She's not doing well i said she's not doing well when that news came out we got we were on the same group text and i was like oh i hope that there are a lot of people around her she is yes did you see his wife's post also no his wife's post was chilling it is all of their children and he's tagged and they're not and it's a very long caption, but my favorite part is,

no one understood us, but what worked for us worked for us. See you in another 40 years, X. Jeez. So there's like a real stamp. See you in another 40 years. See you in another 40 years, X. She's got the date.

Pat Regan shout out. It works for us. It works for our family. It works for our family. It works for us and our family. That's just what works for them and their family. Oh, no. Wait, the Bethany interview is so good with Omarosa

because literally Omarosa, and the audience is all white women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're all siding with Bethany. And they're all siding with Bethany and they're all siding with Bethany and Bethany is so out of her depth

she's terrible she really should never have had a talk show I mean because you invite someone like Omar Ozan who like for all intents and purposes

you can say whatever you want to say but the woman is well educated and intelligent no Bethany literally there's an episode where she took a shower

in front of her audience and she taught them how to shower like her. And she was like naked on stage. Like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like, it's like insane. She's so she's she's unprepared. She's unprepared.

So basically Omarosa is like, see, this is the thing. Like when you're a black woman, you have to be exceptional. You have to be so much better than everyone else. And like you get to be mediocre and yes i remember this and and then and then she said and the audience of course yeah and she was like i'm not saying that she is mediocre i'm saying like you know that white women get to be mediocre but she was saying that and it was true yes um but it's like even in om Omarosa's villainhood she was coming into the white house with a spy pen a spy pen iconic I mean can you imagine the all the I mean Scaramucci

you know he couldn't even no one had the balls to do any of this to fucking tap the president over the phone bitch it's my least favorite take in the world i'm telling you i'm so upset with all these journalists and the way that they're handling the interviews because this is something else because this is this is my thing with it and i'm really kind of like so frustrated with like the media and and people who are saying everything it says everything about why we're at where we're at because the priorities are so fucked up because they sit her down in that chair and the first question is why were you taping it's like

girl the president said the n-word or do you not want the tape right what is the priority why are you blaming the fuck literally the victim here true I mean this is this is the one moment where Omarosa could be called the victim it is like a weird sort of like you do

have to do the weird math of it, which is like, you are all evil, but sort of in the spectrum of things. Like you are the, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Thank you. And,

but it is also like, thank you. Thank you for that. Thank you. But it is also to me, it's just like, it, it's because it doesn't matter.

It's because everybody's like, oh, we all knew he said the N word anyways. And that to me is, I was going to do this for my I Don't Think So Honey. I'm just going to do it, say it now. I Don't Think So Honey, people saying,

well, it doesn't matter that he said the N-word. It's not going to change anything. Here's the thing. I get it. You cannot normalize it. You can not. We have, I'm sorry. We have to talk about the fact

that the president used the N-word. And make a huge fucking deal out of it. And we have to talk about the fact that the president used the n-word and make a huge fucking and we have to make a huge deal out of it because when you start to say well that's who he is we can no longer talk about this that is normalization and i don't think so honey normalizing the president as a racist if it changes one mind correct were we all watching the same election it was pretty close if it it changes even one mind to remind people and to show people with proof that he's a racist and uses racist terms, then we must do it. I met somebody very recently, a really kind, nice white girl after a show. And she was from like down south. And she was saying like, yeah, my family thinks I voted for Trump.

It's crazy. And she was like laughing. And I was like, yeah my family thinks I voted for Trump it's crazy and she was like laughing and I was like hello no this is not okay and she was like and I was like hey seriously like um I know that like we this is after a show and we're like doing the nice thing but I actually want you to understand like that is infuriating to me yeah um as like a black person and as somebody who's like seeing this normalization like you have to like it sucks that it's family like I guess that that's a thing that I, as like a person who's like a child of immigrants might not necessarily understand,

but it's like you have to, you have to talk to the people in your life. And also I had an aunt who voted for Trump. Yes. Who was an immigrant. And we literally had to sit her down

and be like, that is not okay. Like if you continue to bring this around our family, like don't come around. Oh babe, we had a close family friend where they both voted for Trump. These two Chinese immigrants

who were well off, who were worried about their taxes, whatever. And then I had to, I am, our conversations now are so still, I am this close to just being like, hey, I can't believe you fucking did that. Yeah.

It's very hard. I mean, no one in my immediate family, but in my extended family, numbers of people in my family were Trump supporters. And it's just like, I'm sorry, but that's, if it forces a tough conversation, that's crucial.

Right. And, and that's, that's, that's too fucking bad. If that's, if that's going to be what your struggle of your life is, is that at age 28,

like you had to have a tough discussion with your racist family member or even if you don't want to call them a racist someone who tried to normalize or like let or look the other way to racism

then it's not your life isn't that fucking hard anyway yeah it's just crazy not to say anyway sorry not to no no

but anyway the thing that I'm but anyway but the thing the thing that bothers me yes is that these journalists are so like, well, it's Omarosa, eye roll.

And yes, of course, always consider the source. Always consider the source. But she has tapes. She doesn't not have the tapes. She doesn't not have the history. She's backing it up. And I'll say something that made me a little salty. When April D. Ryan tried to come for her on Twitter.

April Ryan and her have a long history. And I was like, girl, I get it. There's history and it's nasty. But when the stakes are this, you cannot be getting shady with Omarosa and then taking pictures with Sarah Huckabee Sanders holding pie. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry.

They're all, they, look, you cannot be surprised that we have Trump. Like, for example, this. This really bothered me. And this is another I don't think so, honey. Gayle King today on the CBS News literally said to Omarosa, Omarosa, there's been a lot of rumors about your relationship with Donald Trump and I just met your husband then she said literally in the same sentence I just

met your husband who's lovely backstage but what is the relationship between you and Donald Trump and Omarosa literally said what you are saying is something they have said against women for centuries that women that women leverage sex for power and I have never done that and and i was like gail king is asking this

question oh my god fucked up that's so sad and like and this is and then she also was like why do you want to work in an industry where everyone lies bitch it's politics it's politics why are you why are you asking her that question did you ask every politician that question why did you work with charlie rose yeah it's like gail like where are you working stop that gail i didn't stop i didn't like the savannah guthrie interview either i didn't watch i didn't like the savannah guthrie interview you are so well versed i how about you i'm not i have not kept up with this as much as you have. I feel like I cannot keep up too much, or I will get tired. Yes, yes, yes.

This is a top news story. I wish there was a way to see the way Matt emphatically leaned into the mic, just fully aligned, like finger jutting. This is a top news story. Well, I'll tell you this. This is the most engaged you've ever been with the news. It's hot. I like it.

Omarosa should always be in the news because I would always be watching the news. Eyes alive. I can't get enough of this. She's iconic though. Because it's exposed. I truly think that this situation, if we just take a step back from like the pulp of it. Yeah, yeah. It is exposing a lot about the

way that the media is manipulated and the way that they handle things because they are so hell-bent. You can see it in Savannah Guthrie's eyes in the today's show interview. She so desperately wants to expose Omarosa as this buffoon because she's this goofy

reality TV star. It's like, girl, look at what she's giving you. The president is a racist. Focus. And now we have actual hard tape of it. It's not that thing where people could be like, oh, maybe this is misconstrued or whatever. It's like watching a murder

and someone gets it on tape and then being like, but why were you taping? Right. What the fuck? It doesn't matter. Do you not want the tape? Do you not want the tape? Do we not want the tape? So then at that point, when do you stop saying consider the source, right?

Because people are so hung up about this. You stop saying consider the source if she... No, you consider the source always. The woman has tapes. She's got tapes. And then this is another thing. I think it's like

even that thing where it's like, I mean, consider the source but do it side by side with knowing that there's this and there's like another problem to me that you're saying

about media is like there's just no nuance because it's like it's just so much more palatable to have something that's a headline

or to have something that's like this is the take this is the definitive take this is how we all feel about the take and that's what, this is the take. This is the definitive take. This is how we all feel about the take and that's what we have it

and then it's news cycle. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, she's playing the news cycle because she's producing a new tape every day. Yep.

And that's why I wanted- Which is actually kind of brilliant that she's leaking it like drop by drop. Yes, piecemeal to all different networks too. Equal opportunity. She's spreading the wealth.

She gives one tape to NBC, another tape to CBS. Because guess what? She's bad, but she's good. She's bad, but she's good. Title of app. And you know what? I think title of app is Omarosa.

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Like, again, on CBS News today, it was such a bad interview, guys. Like, across the board. Gail, come on. Gail really, she really dropped the ball here. I'm really disappointed in Gail. Hard line. I'm telling you.

You know what? I'll say it. Yeah. I'm disappointed in Gail. Yeah. Yeah, Gail's breaking my heart. Yeah. I was like, for me now, Oprah is Gail's best friend again oprah is not i mean gail no did i say that right gail is oprah's best friend

yeah that's what she is to me now wow she's in the woods she's camping to you she's camping to me right now because because because she had the opportunity she had an opportunity to not be like the rest of them because she Gail who are you talking about Gail Gail is like

all the rest of the journalists oh the journalists yes it's like parental levels of disappointment yeah I'm disappointed

because I just want I want I expect better from these people yes because like you have Amorosa on the show

I know but it is also a thing where it's like, I love Gail, but she is like an older black aunt to me in the sense of there still are these like morality rules. And like, and so it's like, and also she is Oprah's best friend. But like there, you know,

I feel like there's like a weird morality to it as well. I just don't understand how you can hear that question coming out of your own mouth and not be like, am I being reductive? And the answer not being a resounding yes. For her to accuse Omarosa of adultery or of whatever, sexually climbing her way up. And of that having like some sort of impact. No, not. Who cares if she fucked Donald Trump? And literally, it doesn't matter

because the president used the N-word. Again, focus. This is not, she, look, and then another thing is she's just trying to sell a book.

Yeah, she wants people to read the book. Everyone who writes a book wants them to read the book. This is what everyone does. Everyone who's, yeah, everyone who has a fucking book. I'm writing a book, but no one one reads it i'm going on the news but don't read my book and like it's it's just

such a first thought simple stupid boring thing to say yes yes yes yeah it is very boring okay um let's just let's just switch gears but let me just say the reason I wanted this to come out is because you don't know what's gonna come out truly truly truly

grabbing the mic I want you all to see in your mind's eye this is a topical episode of Las Culturistas you must listen to this today you have to listen to this because this

look that tape exists and I believe it and you know she's gonna drop it yeah yeah yeah well she ain't going to she doesn't have that one, but I know she's got more. Well, she says she has more, and at this point,

you believe her. The one with the call with the other women. That came out today. Can you summarize that? Yes. Did you hear about this one? I did not hear about this one. So Katrina Pearson, who was his campaign spokeswoman or whatever,

like his publicist. Oh, God. Messy messy looking woman was out there was out there and was out there was out there three days ago or whatever being like there there is no tape we never discussed there being a tape i unequivocally deny that donald trump ever said anything like this'm paraphrasing, but she was out there being like, Omarosa's ridiculous, et cetera, et cetera. Today, Omarosa dropped the receipt. Katrina Pearson on the tape being like, he said it, he's embarrassed. And then the other woman being like,

yeah, we should try to find a way to spin it. And also we should definitely try to get a copy of it. She's good. She's got the tapes. My girl had her spy pen in the Oval. She said hello to the Secret Service. I'm imagining it's a big old pen too. Not even a small one.

Good for her. And I'm telling you, she's with the Kellys. She's with the Saras. She's with the Katrinas. Oh, she's infiltrated. She's infiltrated the circle. And I'll say it again. It's not nice, but it is true. All these womenrated the circle. Yes, yes. And I'll say it again. It's not nice, but it is true.

All these women, the evil is sucking them dry. And Omarosa's showing up. They're not looking good. Edge is laid. Yep. Dark circle's gone. Yes. And honestly, doing all her interviews in a bold yellow color.

I love the look. She looks very good. Bold, bold, with a bright lip. She said, hello, I'm here. And look, it's not a sounding superficial. It's us saying that on TV, you don't you want to look as best as you can. So you have to distract from the message. The truth looks good on a body.

The truth appears on the face. Honestly, it was she and we also should say, to be fair, we're exalting her right now for seeing the light. But she did turn her back on the community in a major way and helped to get him elected absolutely she at her core is a self-interested evil person

yes but that's she's also I'm sorry unfortunately she is a gay icon what we've arrived at what we can all agree on

is that in some way he has met his match in her he created her and she she molded herself after him she's not shy about saying that she said she wanted to be a billionaire she was born in the projects i believe she said i want to

make something of myself yeah i went to go learn to do that from a billionaire i became his friend he became my mentor he taught me everything i know now i'm going to show everyone that i am ready to step outside of his thumb. It's, it's like, it's truly like chilling. It's chilling. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Just like, and like impressive and scary. Like, but it really is. It's like, she saw that trajectory. Like she saw that path and she was like,

yeah, there's no choice for me, but to, but then she was also like, whatever. She was also, she was also smart enough to but then she was also like whatever she was also she was also smart enough to see it for what it was while she was in the the throes of this to be like i have to like like while i'm here still be finding ways i still have to self-preserve i still

have to figure out a way to like document this in case shit turns around oh wow she also was i'm sorry but if you i tweeted this but if you don't understand why she took a recording device into the room with all these like white dudes who work for trump then you don't under you just don't understand the experience of being another oh yes like yes she was she was protecting herself yes om. Omarosa, okay, and you know what? I might get flamed for this, but she's a code-switching icon. I don't think you're totally off here. Yes. Like, there are aspects to...

Oh, do not flame Ayo for this. No, this is true. Please, I'm begging you, don't flame me. Flame me. Don't flame her. Flame me. Don't flame me. Wait, sorry, what were you saying?

What were you saying? But it is that thing where it's like, she does exist as a black woman in certain spaces and knows how to like, because when she started that Wendy interview, she was in it. She was in it. She said, boo, I'm here.

You know? But then it's like, I mean, she's, you know, she's getting close with Michael Clarke Duncan. You know, she knows how to go to a cookout occasionally. I'm sure her and Candace don't have had a conversation or two, you know, she knows how to go to a cookout occasionally. I'm sure her and Candace don't have had a conversation or two. Listen, she knows how to operate in those spaces. And then she knows how to go into a space with a room full of white men and make, you know, and make them feel sort of safe enough to say the white men things that they're going to say. Inevitably, is it for the greater good?

Absolutely not. But does she know how to play the game and switch it up absolutely absolutely yes she's still a despicable person for enabling this horrible people it's crude oil at the core but i will say if if the end of her story, at least for now, is that we get a tape of Donald Trump using the N-word and it changes even some of these people's minds. And it just puts us in a position where, and I don't even know why I'm putting hope out into the world. Because I also don't want people to hear this word. You know what I mean? I don't want to hear the tape.

Build sensation around that. And I don't think anyone wants to hear this word. You know what I mean? I don't want to hear the tape. To build sensation around that. Right. And I don't think anyone wants to hear the word. Because it is also a thing where it's like just as hopeful and like,

oh, people will finally see. There's like a great amount of people who would be like, hell yeah. Right, right. And we don't want a signal fire. No, no, no.

But the thing is like when you say that word, that says something defining about you for life. Yeah. And it's the lies, too. It's the lies. No, I didn't say it. No, I didn't say it. And it's also, it's not even just about this word.

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just come to the light release the tapes and honestly join the DSA Omarosa she said she's going back you know where she's going is back to the ministry they're like what's next for you I need to focus on my ministry

gay icon gay icon in a flaming robe they're like what's next for you she goes I need to focus on my ministry I'm like work gay icon no Omarosa gay icon in a flaming robe Omarosa Omarosa if you're listening

we would love a tape we would love for you to come on we would love for you to wear a yellow podcast or a visual medium I would roll out the yellow carpet

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honestly i i had to i disintegrate after that episode i have to mark my senses as white we're all getting flames we're all gonna be we're all gonna be ruined after this that's it we're releasing this now for heralding omarosa wait wait what are we gonna say i was texting sudi about it today and i could tell she was over it she she was like i was i was making all the points I was making on this episode, and I stand by everything I said, but Sudi was like, yeah, but you can't take her seriously. It's Omarosa.

And I was like, there are tapes. I was like, I don't want to have lunch with Omarosa. I don't want to hang out with Omarosa, but you can't deny the tapes. Okay. Aya, we have to ask you the question. We ask all of our guests. Daring you to not say Omarosa. What was the culture that made you say culture is for me? What was the culture?

Matt looking me in the eyes, say the tapes. Say the tapes. No, okay. We can revisit this if you want to think about it. No, I think I have the moment. Okay. So I grew up very christian uh-huh so uh if to people who've listened to larry's episode we have very similar we both grew up pentecostal penta penta penta baby miss pentecostal coming

to the stage okay oh my drag name miss Miss Penta Costal. Yeah, but I grew up very, very religious. I was wearing skirts. I remember telling my mom I was not going to have sex before marriage. If she's listening, yeah, duh. I just lived, my goal is to be a minister's wife. Wow. And so we lived a really devout life, it was like a lot of veggie tales and like McGee and me and like a lot of wholesome family value entertainment. Even like Seventh Heaven was close.

Like we never watched like the very special episodes, you know? Oh, yeah. Wow. Because sometimes that show could even get edgy. And so it was like, it was super, super devout. And when we got into high school, we got cable. Oh, baby. So that was a huge game changer.

And I finally was able to understand what my friends were talking about. But the big show was Monk. What? Monk? Tony Shalhoub and Monk. It was Monk.k? Tony Shalhoub and Monk. It was Monk. It was Tony Shalhoub. Oh my God.

Please unpack this. I was captivated by him. I was captivated by him. That is unbelievable. And I think I always will burn like a frightening eternal flame for Tony, award winner Tony Shalhoubb I loved watching Monk when my parents wouldn't

have the TV like when my parents would stop watching the TV and like my dad still watch like games and stuff yeah it would just like always happen to be on and it was just like it was like so invigorating for me it felt veryy. It was like one of the first shows where I was like, oh, like I get this thing where you go in front of the TV and like, wow,

like you understand, like you feel at home, like you see these characters that you love. And it was Monk. And it was Monk that did it. I love that. And then after,

like I tried to watch like the other, like normal, like 30 Rock and Parks and Rec. But they weren't Monk. Normal, normal. But it was just like that. And that was a show where I was like, I have to watch like the other like normal like 30 rock and parks and rec but they weren't mom normal normal but they it was just like that and that was a show where i was like i have to watch i have to watch it all i have to watch everything wow yeah and i felt like so seen by monk i love that what

do you know what about the show specifically like spoke to you like yeah like was there an element that was so so riveting i? I thought he was so funny. I specifically, there's an episode. Well, I mean, yes, but also funny. But there's specifically an episode where it's him and Stanley Tucci, and Stanley Tucci plays a character actor who is going to be playing Monk in a feature film, and there is a murder that they have to solve that happens.

It ends up being sort of related to the taping, but they have to solve that happens like like it's like ends up being sort of related to the taping but they have to solve it and like stanley tucci starts becoming monk and like trying to take over monk's life that's pretty great stanley tucci low-key hot okay high-key high-key i mean high-key zaddy daddy all the way around also as pat regan says and this isn't even one of his catchphrases that everyone knows, but secret good body. Secret good body. SGB, secret good body. And I think it just also weirdly was a show

where like because they had a lot of guest star and like fun people because like, I mean, it's Tony Shalhoub, folks. But it's like, it ended up being a weird gateway for me to get into other pieces of culture as well, which is like a little bit bizarre wow that's the defining thing was it because you sought out the actors that yeah that i liked and so because i had a lot of guest

stars yeah and so then i'm like oh this guy stanley tucci is in devil wears prada yeah i'll check that out you don't even like insane like weird work it was the hub for the spokes. Wow. But it also was just like, it is like for the most part, very wholesome. Yeah. And so it, it was like a weird, like a moral get, yes,

moral bridge and moral, like get around the way for me to, to get into like the other, like more edgy content. Yes. I have to ask not to take the discussion away from monk, but let's, let's work. We're going back to a pre cable context. Yes. I have to ask not to take the discussion away from Monk but let's

we're going back to a pre-Cable.io. Yeah. Were we connecting with the VeggieTales and all that stuff on like the same well obviously

not the same level but like was that like all you were sort of even exposed to culture? No, I read a lot. I read a lot because of that I think. And so like I

so like one I secretly read the Harry Potter books. You weren't allowed to. You weren't allowed to. No, I wasn't allowed to. Oh, you went behind the backs. And I went behind the backs and I was reading those books. Were you scandalized? I think I was a little, but I also was like,

no, I won't ever actually hang out with witches. I'll just read about them. You know, like sort of like insane. I feel like that was like very much a theme of just being like, I'll just read about it and understand it. Like, you know, but I won't embody it or whatever. Oh, my God. When I first heard that kids couldn't read Harry Potter for religious reasons, I

was like, wait, what is in this? But then I guess I didn't understand. I remember also hearing about it through school and when kids were like, isn't that crazy? And I have to be like, yeah, that's freaking nuts. What? Well, because all the kids you went to school with were also like devout. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. i forget that

that's it's weird because well so i'm from boston and so that's a very liberal like college city forward thinking smart place but not to say uh that that isn't uh you know that there aren't intelligent people who are religious not to say that at all um but it it like it definitely was like we just i just grew up my community was like a very small pocket and my mom was like very careful and just wanted to make sure I was like safe I guess so in her mind it was like well

you're staying in church every day yeah and I mean like I still did like other outside things and had other outside friends but I like went to a Catholic school because there was no like Christian Christian school and my parents were like, these are your friends. We have to vet them and their parents. Oh, wow.

Everything is wholesome. So did you discover that in Catholic school, the repression sort of led to acting out? I was really very, very, very good. And I was very shy also. Like I truly remember, like when I was 13, I remember like talking to the pastor's wife and being like, how did you become a pastor's wife?

Like, I think I want to do that. And she was like, um, like she really was one of the people who was like, you have time to think about things. But in my mind, I was just- How did you become a pastor's wife? Like really, I was like, I think that that's my goal. And she was like, okay. She was like-

But for like many years, I was just like, I don't see anything fun in what all you people are doing. And then like in high school, I joined the improv troupe. Hell yeah. And I started doing like drama and theater. And I was like, oh, wait, the freaks are here. This is fun. So then you were just

over the course of four years like desecularized? It honestly was, it was like high school. Yeah. Oh my God. And then like, and then it was off to NYU

and not some like seminary or anything. I applied to all schools in Massachusetts and ones either very close to my church or with sister churches nearby and

NYU was the only out of state school that I applied to and was that like a reach or was that and it was a reach and I remember my guidance counselor whose name I will not say but she knows who she is was like you know maybe this isn't even worth it and I was

like okay chill chill chill, chill, chill. And then I got in and they gave me like the most, like insane amount of money. And so my parents were like, oh, okay, I guess you have to do this. Yeah. And then I came to New York and I, and I still tried going to churches.

Like I tried for a really long time, but I think like as much as I, you know, I'm very glad for the way that I grew up it was like one of the first places that I like learned about music and was able to like be in Christmas plays you know like all that cool stuff

yeah having community but it also was like a true hub of anxiety and repression and like my goal as a woman was to like be by the sidelines like that was like what i saw for myself like like if i really am a leader i'll be supporting like a man leader like that was like what i wanted for myself which is so and so like actually being on my own for the first time i was able to like realize that i could want more for myself

wow yeah yeah is there any interest to like want to like re-explore that like go back to like different like places of worship because like people like like like i like i'm like there's this like good community of people in the comedy world who like will go to like a bunch and like we'll like go and like have a good time and like still like keep in touch with that side of them not to say that like yeah everyone who's like like i'm not holding myself to that standard either like as someone who went to church as a kid but like i find it interesting i mean do you nation did you grow up i was it was like okay it was called the the colorado evangelical chinese uh chinese even evangelical church of denver but it was like not, there was no denomination.

Yeah. It was just like, come if you're Chinese and you believe in Jesus. Well, yeah. Yeah. We were Roman Catholic. Okay.

We converted from Greek Orthodox to Roman Catholic when I was like. Oh, the conversion's serious. Yeah. Like we had to like, my parents had to like apply because we moved houses.

Ah. And so Greek Orthodox, that's very much my mother's side my my mother's religion growing up was greek orthodox my um mother's father was like very greek um and then we were moving houses and we converted to roman catholicism because there was a church by by our house and like and i remember my parents being like it's almost the same i love that and also the masses

were gonna be in English because the Greek Orthodox is all in Greek and it was like Greek to me I didn't know what was happening sheesh it's all Greek to me

so we'd just be sitting it's all Greek to me um um we would just be episode title yeah it's all Greek to me

what is no that's the voice What is that from Being a bitch to your closest friends No but it's from a Lizzo song She has a lyric where she goes sheesh it's all Greek to me Okay cool

But yeah we switched and I was like This I there was no Connection to any church but we did go Like it sounds like it was a big part of your life Yeah it was pretty Big for most of it It is also like sometimes i do feel very weird uh posting videos and i know that there's a swear in it and like you know like yeah that's like embedded and and i also uh recently uh discovered a lot of my uh like

family friends and cousins who i was very close with have like unfollowed me on Instagram which I'm like I'm not hurt by it but it's like y'all can't even stick around for like the videos and stuff y'all don't even want to see that content because a view is a view I have to say Ayo has posted maybe the only acceptable

Instagram of like a show like list of like these are my shows this week and it was and it was also religious it was just the picture of a crying girl yes from Jesus camp and then you had the list of shows and then your caption was hello please and that was it and it was truly gorgeous

I love you we love you wait We love you. Wait, we have to return to Tony Shalhoub. Oh, yes. My man? Yeah, your man. Now, did you... Happily married.

I would never step in your marriage, Tony. I really want to make that clear. My body got so hot at the idea of, I don't know, affronting his wife. Wow, that's the repression. That's the repression. That's the repression. Roaring through. Now that you know what it is.

Yep, 100%. You can clock the behavior always every time I see you now and I see something weird happen I'm like that's the repression that's the repression

right there I grew up very repressed oh there it is very repressed yeah sometimes it roars through but wait have you followed

the career of Mr. Shalhoub yeah I love him do you watch Marvelous Mrs. Maisel I watched the first season honestly for him. He looks good. He, oh God, the mustache is so good.

He looks really good. The mustache is hot. And I recently watched Big Night again. If people haven't seen Big Night, highly recommend. Our man, Stanley Tuch, is also in there. So is former husband of Jennifer Lopez, Mark Antoine. Yes, he dips his toe into acting quite often.

He dips his toe, and he's very cute in Big Night. Big Night is lovely, but the mustache, it's one of the original appearances. Wow. So, did you happen to see It's Leaving Me,

the musical that just won Best Musical this year. Band's Visit. Did you see the Band's Visit? I did see the Band's Visit. I saw it too. I love my man. Yeah, you love your man. I love my man. I year? Band's Visit. Did you see the Band's Visit? I did see the Band's Visit. I saw it too. I love my man. Yeah, you love your man. I love my man.

I saw the Band's Visit. Did you know that I'm actually the woman in that? No. Omar Sharif. That's actually me. And whenever you, whenever anyone thinks

of that song or listens to that song, I want you all to think of me singing it. Omar. It's very cute. And I don't all to think of me singing it. It's very cute. I can only imagine. This is like Sonic.

No. This is truly what we're doing is horrific. Oh, wait. You were at the show a lot that was awesome. You said you just saw Straight White Men. Oh, yeah. What did you think? I thought it was fine.

Yeah. And it made me sort of frustrated because I felt like the bedrock of everything was so cool. And I also, I love Young Jean Lee. Love Young Jean Lee. She's so cool. She's so cool. And I have to just admit, I haven't seen any of her other work besides this. I've read.

Okay, cool. And she did like a cool weird production at NYU where she made a play with some kids but when did you graduate I graduated 20

oh yeah you're 16 you're much younger oh my god yeah 17 I hope that everyone

17 2017 she graduated last last year oh my god fuck I hope that I know what's going to happen.

All the, everyone that's driving right now is going to run someone over with their car because they're going to be like, how could this beautiful, intelligent mind just have graduated

to the university? Guys, if you're running over anybody, just come and find me. Drop a pin. Just run me over. Yes. Flame her. Flame her. With your flame her um wait that's okay i'm grinding in the middle of the road what were your what were your studies i uh was studying education oh i

wanted to be an english teacher um and i say wanted to as in i was like hi immigrant parents i won't be a doctor totally but this is what yeah. Totally. But this is what I can do. And then I secretly applied to Tisch. And then I studied playwriting there. In what department? In dramatic writing. I went to dramatic writing. Have we talked about this?

Literally, no. Ayo has a very amalgamation of me and Matt. Here's what I will say. You are my biological father. Yes, we are. I graduated from dramatic writing in 2012. Oh, wait. Wait, I did not know that at all.

Absolutely. What did you study? TV? I studied television writing. Yeah, that was my concentration. When you say you were in improv group, you were in a danger box. I was not in danger box.

I was not. I was not. I was not accepted into danger box. Neither was I, honey. I was a hammer cats type of bitch not accepted into Dangerbox neither was I honey I was a Hammercats type of bitch but Bowen Yang I didn't do Hammercats either

wow did you do Hammercats no they should they should be they should be so lucky I was a little yeah we did a little

it was in a little indie group cool cool cool we all met truly in the Dangerbox that's how it happens aud. That's how it happens. Auditions.

That's how it happens. And, yeah. And it was like, oh, wait. We are all still very funny. I'm not even kidding. I remember getting that no email. And this also is what I will say. It was from Alex Song.

Wow. And it was the most beautiful, kindest email ever. And she was, like, so nice. And, like, now, like, she's, kindest email ever. And she was like so nice. And like now like she's like a friend and was just like so like genuine. And Alex is amazing. I mean, Alex is amazing. But like I remember like crying in Washington Square Park, you know, and just being like, I won't have community.

Were you a freshman? Yeah. Yeah, that's hard. Yep. And then like an hour later, got like a text from this guy, Andy, Anderson Cooke. He's like a cool playwright and a friend. But he was like, Anderson Cooke. But he was like, hey, we met in these auditions.

And I think that we're all still really funny. We don't have to get beat about it. Like, how about we all just hang out? I think we could do this thing. I think we could're all still really funny we don't have to get beat about it like how about we all just hang out I think we could do this thing I think we could really do this thing um smash cut to NBC opening like stomping in an auditorium everyone's singing

even though they kind of can't like hallelujah come on Omar Sharif Omar Sharif everyone's like And now with the performance Of Omar Sharif Matt Rogers

Well no look And now I was in Fucking writers rooms And shit Come on So that was always The goal of course Graduating from

Dramatic writing You want to be In the writers rooms Yeah Yeah I feel very Fortunate To be this young and have that happen.

Well, honey. This is the repression. She's repressed. You're not apologizing. You're just saying that you're fortunate. Yeah, you're fortunate. And it is entirely, and that's the thing that I think about, and I will weep if I think about it too hard,

but it is because of people like you guys and people in our community who just have continued to advocate for me and see me when I haven't even seen myself. Oh, babe. Please, that's passed on from people that did that for us. But it's because of that that you have learned it and continue to share that.

That's just like so important. Oh, babe. Here we said the same fucking thing. Oh, babe. No, but like we are your biological fathers. You are. So literally, we only do it because it would look really bad if we didn't. We gave birth to you.

Yes, we did give birth. I remember when you both gave birth to me. It was so hard. We shared one vaginal canal. It was so ugly to me. It was so hard. We shared one vaginal canal. It was so ugly, honestly. It was gross. It was disgusting. And we didn't get one write-up about it.

No. No, nothing. Splitsider said nothing about it. Splitsider was silent. Splitsider was silent. Vulture couldn't even get him on the phone. Couldn't even get a 10 best moments of the birth of Ayo. Oh, my God.

Can you believe? Can you fucking believe? I said best Brooklyn comedic births of the year. Please. Where are you? Wow. Nowhere. Nowhere.

No, they better write a fucking write up about this Omarosa episode. If they don't write this Omarosa episode up, I'm... We've never had an episode like this. Never. We got so into the episode like this. Never. We, like, got so into the topicality of it. Like, I love it. And, like, we all contributed in these compelling ways.

It's an iconic ep. When I say it's an honor, like, you need to know how much I mean it. See me shaking if you can't hear it. See me in your mind's eye. I have to be honest with you. I'm very happy that you came in and enthusiastically wanted to talk Omarosa

because this kind of reminded me of do you remember when Big Little Lies was first breaking yes we would be doing episodes and I would be like

do you watch Big Little Lies and all of our guests would be like no I haven't seen it yet and we'd be like I was even late to the game I was like I got an episode I, I,

I got to convince you. Season two. Ooh, baby. See, ice creams are being thrown. Honey in the streets of California. I want to reveal.

Oh, that Bowen and I auditioned for a role. Oh, which we did not book. We did not. They gave to a gorgeous African American model yes he was

he's just like gotta be eight feet tall okay but here's the thing beautiful and I'm like oh so we weren't close like this person but you were close

you were close because I'm your child so obviously the next logical step the breakdowns did not say African American no

honestly he's eight feet tall he's eight feet tall gorgeous He's eight feet tall. Gorgeous. Gorgeous. And I'm like, okay, so yeah,

they didn't want this trash. And I botched that fucking audition. I thought I had, I thought I sent in a good tape. I was so bummed. Oh, sorry. I mean,

I knew, I knew we weren't booking, but ooh, there, I mean, there's some, Reese has some, just from the scenes with him alone,

Reese has some great. No, no, not Reese. I mean, we, fucking Renata has great scenes. We truly can't reveal, but... No, no, no, not Reese. I mean, we... Fucking Renata has great scenes. We truly can't reveal,

but just to say, you know, when you audition for something, you do see the pages, and we saw some pages. Saw some pages, hunty. Yes, okay. Girl! It's gonna be so good.

But we did not book. But we did not book. Oh, God. But we saw some pages. I think my most high-profile pages I've seen was a 13 Reasons Why. I did a 13 Reasons Why audition. It's been so good. I think it most high profile pages I've seen was a 13 Reasons Why. I did a 13 Reasons Why audition. You would have been so good.

I think it would have been honestly like the greatest, like the funniest thing I could have ever done. It's a heinous show. I mean, it would have been like an old legend. Like that would have been my Andy Kaufman submission to be like, I was on season three of 13 Reasons Why. I'm a teen with a secret. That's a show that is contributing

to make the world the worst place. Glamorize suicide. That would have been my Omarosa move. You should have taped everything that happened on set. You should have taped everything that happened on set. All the producers discussions. How can we really glamorize suicide in this scene? I'm like, I'll kill myself on camera. Yeah. yeah you just see io in the frame like holding out a spy pen

it's like one of those big like uh like prop pencils that you got from like the scholastic book fair like that's my spy pen yeah somebody somebody described three feet long somebody described omarosa's recording device as a talk boy. And I thought that was so funny. I don't get it. Like, remember those like the talk boys? They were like very popular

in like Harriet the Spy times. Wait, I love that. That's fine. This is what I do imagine. Omarosa does have like, and we're back to her. We're back. Because that is who she is.

But she does have like a, you know, like a three kid in a trench coat sort of vibe like there are just like like three of like the meanest fifth graders like are stacked on top of each other with a spy yep and they're just like um yeah uh maybe you're a bitch i can't yeah people keep talking about me. Oh. Absolutely. I have an obsession.

Are we all obsessed with Omarosa? Oh my God. I remember. No, do you guys remember when? I didn't stop watching videos. On Weekend Update, Maya Rudolph. I'm happy you brought this up because I meant to earlier. Maya Rudolph comes in and does the fucking.

Omarosa. Man of gold stars. The most bonkers off the mark Omarosa impression Not a good impression But it was so funny But who cares But the game Of the whole fucking thing

Was that things Kept falling on her head And it was The funniest thing I've ever seen The plaster Like a bowling ball Like fell on her head

Like Round of applause I was just mired off Making contorted faces Like Oh She was going as the things

like hit her in the head and I think it was Tina and Jimmy yeah yeah yeah I would also where's just like my hour of Maya Rudolph

making noise I know I think about her star it was called the Maya and Marty show stop stop stop oh stop oh stop

oh stop because I I died for her. Oh, we die for her. We die for her 100%. Her Star Spangled Banner. Oh, we just watched it. We watched it like three nights ago.

At any moment and just be like, oh, you are truly a genius. Timeless. Icon. The Omarosa of comedy. Thank you. Is Paul Thomas Anderson? Who is he in this

analogy I don't know okay and then we're and then and then we're back and then we're back I do have to

I do have to say with the Omarosa impression because I I taped it on BCR I brought it to school I made my 8th grade science teacher

watch it because we were both obsessed with The Apprentice but no but fucking I left a kinship at you oh yeah yeah yeah oh you were one of those kids i was too i would talk about i was one of those kids seventh grade i was like oh my god miss patrick how far are you in the da vinci code like i was so fucking obnoxious but no maya rudolph walks in we can

get back to this but maya rudolph walks in and she goes where where is he where is mr trump i'd like to converse with him briefly like not even it's not tethered to any reality we have to watch it later oh my my God, it's so good. But yes, I was very obnoxious in school. Oh my God. Yeah, so was I. I mean, like, I think we all were. Yeah.

That's how you get to where we are. No, truly. A weird thing is happening to me. If you guys have, do you know what I'm going to say? No, go ahead. People from high school, like, coming out. Are they coming out of the woodwork?

Yeah, but also being like, hey, we're really proud of you. You're killing it in New York. Like, hey, dude. And I'm like, you made me sad. You made me sad for years. That's what they do. That's why this is my personality now. You have to bow down to your control.

It's everyone who's ever doubted you. Scream. Don't challenge them. This is the ultimate revenge. To become the most powerful man in the universe. The universe. Learn it. Learn it.

Be off book by Monday. It's the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man, not in the world, in the universe. Other planets, you're on blast. They're shaking. Uranus is shaking. Yes, hunty. Neptune is quaking in its boots. Everybody's off book by Monday.

I want Ivo van Hove stripped down. We are focusing on the text. We're in a white room locked in a glass box and we're just repeating this. I'm doing an acoustic cover. Blood is pouring down the ceiling. We're in a white room locked in a glass box and we're just repeating this. I'm doing an acoustic cover. Blood is pouring down the ceiling. I just want the text of it. I want the music.

We need a remix. I can't believe that wasn't made into a club remix. That is the reclaiming of my time. This leaves reclaiming my time in the dust. It is sort of in the alignment chart of iconic iconic black, you know, monologues.

Oh, I wasn't even making that. I was just saying like. Yes. Like vaccine is chaotic good. Yes. Omarosa is chaotic. Chaotic problematic. And there.

And the fourth space sort of opens between neutral and evil. Matt just created a new alignment. A new alignment. Chaotic problematic. Catch up. Catch up.

Catch up, honey. Be on the top with the alignments. I think it's time we have to move on to I Don't Think So, Honey. I think it's time. Despite me blowing my loads on both of my I Don't Think So, Honeys. Proudly.

Proudly. I mean, I just had, when you just have to mention, you just have to mention, that's famous. So I Don't Think So, Honey is our segment where we take one minute

to rail against something in culture that we're not super liking you guys can come see us um at brooklyn bazaar on september 22nd it's a saturday september 22nd we are going to be a fun i'm sorry i cut you off no i cut you off i'm so sorry it's gonna be a fun brooklyn comedy festival edition yes i don't think so yes we're gonna have some old favorites back a little bit of a legends ball of I don't think so honey and some new faces as well so you got to come out for that it's on September 22nd okay

Brooklyn Bazaar which I just went to John Wan aka Kiko Soiree drag pageant debut victorious drag pageant debut everyone follow Kiko Soiree on Instagram. Season 13, everyone. Oh, Drag Race Season 13.

I'm saying it now. Okay. Matt, are you saying you want to go first? I think you should go first. Okay, great. Okay. All right. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey.

His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey movie critics that are saying crazy rich Asians is bad because the Asians are too rich. Who fucking cares? I've tweeted this, and the critic that I subtweeted acknowledged my subtweet by saying, I was subtweeted four days ago,

and I'm still reeling from it, to be honest. Good, honey. Good. Because I do not buy this thing where you say they're problematically affluent. Or you wish that there was more bite or more venom to the to their affluence it's 30 seconds in the goddamn title honey and the mechanisms by which people in asia

become wealthy might might not totally resemble the mechanisms by which people become rich in the west you know like why even draw your own conclusions about this you You work at this gorgeous magazine. You are doing fine and yet you want this movie, the first with an Asian cast since the Joy Luck Club 25 years ago to be more proletariat friendly.

No, Queen. No. And that's one minute. Also, the Vulture review was infuriating. They called their wealth Trumpian. You can't use that word on a POC fan line. Are you crazy? the Vulture review was infuriating. Oh. They called their wealth Trumpian. No.

You can't use that word on a POC family. Are you crazy? You're waiting till now to say that there's a problem with exorbitant wealth in films? Have you been saying it about every single

blockbuster movie that's come out? The answer is no. And this is my thing, which is also why I super empathize with it, is just like, people of color are not allowed one mediocrity. No.

Like if you have, you know, it has to be a masterpiece. Right. And we're also not allowed like folly. Like it has to constantly be indicting. Right. And the fact that there is a movie that's honestly like a hit, a deeply enjoyable hit. We're going to see it tomorrow.

And you're picking apart, you know, like the pieces of it. It's like, fuck you. Babe. You know? And these people,

this one critic in particular is giving free passes to fucking, I don't know, tag, let's say. I don't know. I'm not actually, he didn't actually like that movie.

But like, oh, but then he like compared it to like Succession and how that was a good example of how. And I'm. And like, we're out. We're out, babe. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's just you got like, come on.

So privately think that. Like, just like, don't put it in your fucking widely. Like, it's just so. It's irresponsible. It's irresponsible because it puts the... It gives people a reason to... I don't... Yeah.

Anyway. We don't even need a fucking qualifier. Okay, all right. So this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. Oh, God, okay. We're good?

Okay, this is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, Savannah Guthrie. Oh! You were trying it in that Omarosa interview

because you kept cutting her off. Ooh! because you kept cutting her off. And you were cutting her off. And then here's the thing when Omarosa, when you give her the space to be like, you're cutting me off, is she says it strongly and confidently and then everyone's like, wow, Omarosa's such a bitch.

And then on Megyn Kelly, who I don't think so, honey, Megyn Kelly. But she then was like wow did you see how the grace with which savannah handled that it's like it's like first of all you guys like get over yourselves for one second and then megan kelly goes and you never like the audience is gonna be with savannah the audience loves savannah you never turn on the host it's like well if the host is acting in a disrespectful manner and i think think Savannah Guthrie is a good journalist. I like Savannah Guthrie, but I don't think so, honey, this interview, because she was not being fair to the guest.

And the guest was the one that's there to talk. She kept cutting in with new questions. Watch the interview. And that's one minute. Oh, I love this. I mean, watch the interview because it's ridiculous. Like, you're getting Omarosa. You know what you're going to get.

But you as an interviewer, that's your guest. And you ask them a question and they start answering. That's not your cue to ask another question. This is like when Andrea fucking Mitchell was like hating on Michelle Wolf after the correspondence dinner. It's like, wait a minute, you guys are totally fine. They're missing the point. Or it's that like they really, I hate when people say this because it sounds a little conspiracy theoristy,

but sometimes you think people in the media really are just all playing for the same team. No, entirely. That's what I was saying with the April Ryan and the Sarah Huckabee Sanders. It's like, oh, okay, cool. So I can't trust anything. There is, I get when people are like hey what the hell is this i don't want to watch this you know it's it's gross

but it is also like with megan kelly like dog could you could you whistle any louder it's not a whistle i mean she also recently called jane fonda hen. Jane again. This is something that she... I can't believe this. Don't forget who Megyn Kelly is. She's a piece of shit who said Santa Claus was white. Yeah. And she said that factually

Santa Claus was white and then she also referred to Jesus as being white. Oh, sure. She's a fucking idiot. No, she's a racist. This is the thing that separates the Megyn Kellys

from the Omarosas, honestly, is that Omarosa has at least experienced some modicum of struggle in her life to have the perspective to be smart enough to pull off all this shit and to say that and to express that on tv well luckily we're getting a fox news movie that's gonna star charlize theron as megan no thank you i mean that actually probably should have been my i don't Think So Honey right there. Oh my God. I just feel like, you know what? Nicole Kidman is also in it. I believe she's playing Gretchen Carlson. No.

Look, look. Listen. Just, you want to, like, I don't know. I have so many thoughts about this. It could be a whole other episode. But basically what it boils down to is it's like, we've heard this story. This isn't very. We've heard this story. This is a very... We've heard this story.

We haven't heard stories about women who've experienced this in careers that don't get the limelight. But these women have told their stories. They have the space. They get space every day to talk about this. And they also are extremely politically problematic. Yes. And I think it's horrible that they were sexually harassed.

But the fact of the matter is like they had a platform. They're dangerous. Fox News is dangerous and that's where Megan Tilly came from. Where is my movie about like, I mean, especially if it's like Hollywood is going to be, you know,

saying that they're about the Me Too movement and saying that this is a priority. Like, where's my movie about home health care aides who you know sure who are like immigrants and are afraid to speak out against the people that are abusing them like where is my movie about like nurses right and you know like women who are fucking working in factories yes and you know like can't speak about this thing like i love them empathetic i love them both i love n love Nicole Kim and I love Charlize Theron. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

And I'm not saying that one, you know, that that alleviates or disintegrates any struggle or anything horrific. Right. Obviously not. But produce a movie

about someone else. Yeah. Because that makes it feel like a vanity project. Totally. That does make it feel like that. It literally is a vanity project. You know why?

Because, well, I don't know. I just mean to say this in a way that's like, well, these women have already had a platform to speak out about this. Yeah. And like so many people.

So why are we retreating it? You know what I mean? Like, there's a lot. Retreading it, sorry. There's a lot of stories out there that, you know, women are the focus of, women can be the focus of and didn't say that Santa Claus was just white

and that kids should just get over it. Okay. Wow. I love that you went into that. I love that. This is one of my favorite episodes we've ever done. I, ugh.

Oh! I can't need. Okay, Aya, are you ready? I am ready. I'm going to get up with a shitty I don't think so honey. Stop, stop.

I don't think so honey books. Oh my God. No, no, she's bombing. No one should read She's bombing. Andy. 30 seconds. Listen to Alan Jones.

No, she's off the fucking rails. Wait, this is Ayo Debrez? I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The Romanovs. If you have not seen this trailer, it is the new Matthew Weiner project

where he takes another story about white people and finds a reason to have a moment about white people. There's literally a part in the trailer where the text is like booming dramatically across the screen. And it goes, three continents, seven countries, eight stories, one family. And it's like bitch zero people

of color like how much can you just like not care about these stories it's also like zzzz

we already have Anastasia the gorgeous animated project about this family I'm good honey like if you really want to be about it

do something interesting do something prescient like if you really are the be about it do something interesting do something prescient like if you really are the guy who's making tv and about it and about the zeitgeist five seconds madman you wasted your time you had so much opportunity do something with people of color care do it that's one minute oh i'm sorry i preeminently cut you off there i i needed that how many were there two people of color in Mad Men? There was Don, the secretary.

And then there was the housekeeper. Yes, there was also a- Who Betty fires. Yes, who Betty fires. There was also a brief subplot where one of the guys, I can't remember his name, like dates a woman of color, a black woman. And they go to her apartment for like this like jazz party or whatever. Oh, I remember this episode.

And she's like, I'm an activist. What are you going to do about it? And he's like i'm an activist what are you gonna do about it and he's like nothing and it's like yeah boom race got him sometimes yeah sometimes madman i mean i love madman as a television show but like there were some there were some like stories or threads or depictions of things that you're just like wait then what was the fucking point yeah i wonder why he felt the need to to to to 10 percent tell this story you know what i mean like she wasn't a major character right and my sort of thing which might not be the actual take but it is often what i feel is like it obviously i want filmmakers to tell diverse stories and i think that should be funded as much as possible

and i love like white filmmakers like Sean Baker who like works really hard to tell stories like Tangerine and like Florida Project about people who you know those are not his stories but he wants to fund and produce and like direct them like but he has an imagination so he can do it

and also like an empathy to actually listen to people and then use that to make his story like he's not just like making it up and then when the black people talk it's like you know like but but it's also like um if you are a white person and and you don't know how to do it and and like on one hand you know fund it help it get made support it but it's like listen if you just want to make a heist movie about some white dudes, like I'd rather you do that entirely than try to stick in like one black character

who's like, hey, should we be heisting right now? And you know, and like you're barely touching on identity or you're like trying to and it's like so, you can tell it's so facetious. I don't know. It's like Brad Pitt executive producing

12 Years a Slave. Right. You know what I mean? Like not overstepping the bounds Just giving the money Yeah Was he in it He has a little cameo

He has a little cameo A little cameo He got to be in the Hair and Makeup trailer For a second A sec You know But yeah

Number 27 on the call sheet Brad You're needed on set Brad's walking Brad's walking Eyes on Brad Wow No you're so right You're so right I don't know It's not It's not Eyes on Brad Wow no you're so right Yeah

I don't know It's not I know it's not like Entirely the right take I know that there's A better one No this has been In the news though

Because Bo Burnham Yeah I think was catching A little bit of A moment of heat About directing Eighth grade

Which she did beautifully Yeah The movie was outstanding. And I think that, you know, and also, Ms. Chloe Grace Moretz was making news because she is in that movie, The Miseducation of Cameron Post, about conversion

therapy. And her movie is directed by a bisexual woman. And she came out against the movie Boy Erased, which stars Lucas Hedges and has Nicole Kim and Russell Crowe and is directed by it's escaping me right now but it's a white man

who is straight and she kind of said people shouldn't see that other movie because it's not directed by someone who has this experience which I think is like sort of it's I can tell it's like it comes from a place of wanting to be woke but I don't think that's necessarily always the best thing. Because it's also like,

you could have said that about Tangerine, you know what I mean? Sure, sure, sure. Like, it is a weird line to walk. And it's also like,

I mean, I find it, like we were talking about PTA earlier. Like I love, like I, I love his movies so much. And he is like a white guy who's often making white guy movies. But I just like very much connect with them, you know?

And I'm not saying like, oh, you can only support XYZ. Because that's like, yeah, that's wrong. There's different kinds of directors. There are those kinds of directors like Sofia Coppola who prefers to make movies about a specific kind of person. Whether she's actually like that or just knows the inner life of that person very well. That could be true. And then there's people like Ang Lee, you know what I mean,

who make amazing films that have nothing to do with him. What would he know about being a closeted gay man in the South? Nothing. But he made one of the classic films of LGBT history. But I wonder also,

I mean, but that is also very fascinating to me. And just like why I'm also like, you know, like side by side to this, let's also have more creators of color and queer creators. Because I think for Ang Lee, and I don't know if this is like right, but like I think it might get to that thing of code switching. And like having to understand and empathize with experiences other than yours in order to succeed and like survive in the world and so like i mean part of me wonders if you know it's that like it's like that ability to constantly be to shifting focus and um i don't just like understanding others in order to make your own totally. And it's not always like a, it doesn't always have to be a hit or whatever, but.

The soundbite at the heart of what Chloe Grace Moretz was saying was queer voices should tell queer stories, which of course is true. Yeah, yeah. But I'm just saying like,

you know, artists are also artists and they have imaginations and they're creative and they're talented and like just, you know, you're literally telling people

not to see it and I'm sure you haven't seen it. I'm also very curious about the disney prince uh sort of discourse that's happening oh the jungle cruise jungle cruise oh yeah to be honest with you i i'm not surprised yeah i wasn't either because it's disney i mean like look and also they're like first. We saw Beauty and the Beast. That's what I was literally just about to say. I mean, look, it's either they pick a British guy because being British seems gay. Yeah.

Or they pick Josh Gad. Josh Gad, who's like a musical theater and like that's gay. And that's gay. And Josh Gad is gay. No. But like, you know, it's just. You heard it here first, folks. Because they're, I mean, Guy Branum says this beautifully on Twitter. But he's like, you know, it's just... You heard it here first, folks. Because they're... I mean, Guy Branum says this beautifully on Twitter.

But he's like, you know, it's true. Like, they have this thing about, you know, it can't be too close to reality because it grosses them out. Yes. Yes. Wow. Wow.

Empathy is scary. You know what? We ended on an iconic note for an iconic episode. And wow, we really got into it I think I think Omarosa fan club I think this is the Omarosa fan club

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