Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Spice of Sisterhood" (w/ Clark Moore)

Episode Date: April 14, 2021

Well, readers, it's our first post-op ep! After a successful surg for Matt, the girls are so happy to welcome the true healing spirit that is Clark Moore, actor and host of the incredible Soul Balm podcast, which is a genuine Las Cultch Pick! Take that, Oprah! We can pick things, too! This episode, dripping wet with water sign energy, features discussions and reviews of Thunder Force, the Netflix College Admissions Scandal documentary, and a full on Godzilla Vs. Kong discussion (with spoilers...skip 25:46-30:19 if you care and also...bless you, child). Also, why Clark had to finally drop reality TV. Discussion Point: in watching Real Housewives, are we complicit in the destruction of these women's lives? All this, and then the real meat and potatoes of the ep: THE SPICE GIRLS. Discussion point #2: was Ginger Spice the leader and is that why it all fell apart after she left? What ARE the best Spice Girls songs? Did you, like Clark, try and recreate the "Naked" tour performance at your SCHOOL with CHILDREN? The words "nude illusion in the round" are used discussing this very scenario. All this, Clark's surprising Jon Ossoff connections, BTS from Love Simon spilled exclusively for the readers, and the Las Cultch on-air debut of Katrina "Damm Bird" Rogers. You, and this episode? VERY "2 Become 1". Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Wow, I can barely get that out, bitch. Oh, my God. First of all, we should say this is our first post-op episode of lost cult and we have matt rogers here with us and he is as always as always we have he is being a trooper duper supersonic racer i wanted to be here for our guests because this is a capital g guest but i do want to update everyone that it went really well and all my doctors and everything were super

happy about how it went and thank you everyone that reached out and was so sweet and was so nice and you guys really kept me going and also what kept me going was that someone made that filter that lost cult top 200 filter my god that was so fun but um it did it did go great and right now i've just got a full-on splint on my nose so if i sound a little nasal it's just because i'm working with some extra gear today but um you know we're soldiering on some extra gear thank you so much to katie k nats on instagram for making that filter i love that she made the choice to keep it obviously she can't do all 200 it's that would be insane it's top top 50 and so you're not gonna get a bad you're not gonna get a bad result no flops because we're working on the top quartile there you know yeah so that kind of that kind of kept me i would say a few things kind of

kept me going since this happened fearless taylor's version well oh my god for fearless taylor's version which i know you've been gagging yeah yeah yeah i love it i love it bowen yang as the iceberg on snl oh my god and my mother is here she's currently right over there she's she's you have to bring her on that can you have to bring her on the, can you, you have to bring her on the mic for one second. Mom, come over here for a second,

because actually there is some news, which is I got her to be a big drag race fan. Oh, you guys mainlined all of season 13. Hi Katrina. She's coming in. This is her podcast debut. So mom,

say who you like on drag race season 13 into the mic. Rosé. You love Rosé simone simone and gottman gottman so can you believe that she's been saying that since the beginning so she she knew top three yeah the top three top three i mean candy we love candy but candy is maybe like the controversial wild card pick yeah would you agree mom yeah oh that would be definitely controversial you know a little drag a little drag well i even said but when i was on twitter back on twitter for

like three days i said i love this top four and then people were getting in my replies being like uh candy doesn't deserve to be i was like all right everybody calm down so we're we're we're I love this top four. And then people were getting in my replies being like, uh, candy doesn't deserve to be. I was like, all right, everybody calm down. So we're, we're, we're,

we're over here saying that we love candy. We're candy muse fans, but Katrina is not. No, no. She liked it. She liked it. No,

that's perfect. Oh, I love Lala. And yeah, you know what? My mom was loving about LaLaurie? The looks. Until the bags. Until the bags, of course.

But the looks were otherwise great. Katrina. Wait, what are you saying? Olivia. Oh, she likes Olivia Lux, too. Olivia was the one that was really beautiful. But LaL Ri had, she had some stunning outfits on.

Stunning outfits and charisma. Yeah, the ones that she brought with her, yeah, they were really cute. She just couldn't get that bag look together. Then the paper bag thing, boop. She goes, boop, and does a cut it motion. Just make sure he takes it a little easy today.

Okay. We're going to make sure he takes it very easy. Of course, Katrina. And Bowen, awesome with the ice oh thank you thank you katrina thank you and you're that's clark that's clark we're gonna bring him in later i have to be quiet but hi oh yes yes no this is you can i love moms hi mom this is the first cameo of a loss old parent. This is already a huge episode. Yeah, this is huge.

Katrina is such a saint for taking care of you. Sure is. And we're not even going to put her on the spot and make her say the catchphrase. We all know what the catchphrase is. No, damn bird. Can you shout it from the kitchen, mom? Bird? Damn bird! Damn bird, don't make me yell at you about talking too loud.

What? Now she's yelling at me because I'm talking too loud okay so this is the you have to understand this has been the vibe in the house it's not clean enough in the apartment yeah very that please okay your cameo is over now oh alright

see a small taste of the spotlight and this is how they get these young girls this is how they get these young girls how you doing girl? before we bring in the guest I want to take a temperature check on on the girl i won't keep you very long uh in in this in this you know pre pre-show space pre-intro space um i'm doing okay i just i i'm so embarrassed we're having to start a little late because um still i'm still just a little still just a little too busy for my taste, which I know is part of Bowen Yang's tired culture.

I know, but... Busy with your many jobs. No, no. I'm just, you know, I did not plan this in the way that I should have. And so it's sort of on me. No, no, no. You are going to have a restful summer yes that's true i hope so well here's someone who gave me um a true breath of fresh air and

a ray of light over last summer is our guest yes i mean this is this is a bomb indeed. Well, it's funny you should say that. It is. Because he has a wonderful podcast called Soul Bomb. We've both had the privilege of being guests. It was a privilege. It was a privilege. I mean, and he wants to go for this vibe. It's very much a Super Soul Sunday vibe for us.

But of course, we're never going to be big enough to go to Oprah. No, no, no. It was, I felt like I was Miss Markle. I felt like, without digging up for anything, without dredging up any controversy. Yeah, I felt like I was

Meghan Markle if I didn't have as much conflict as her. You know what I mean? Sort of a low conflict Meghan Markle is how i felt when i went on the podcast you know if you were megan markle but you googled your damn boyfriend yeah hello by the way i don't think so honey i don't i think that she googled prince harry before she married a prince okay i think she googled she the girl googled i think our guest um is truly fantastic you've seen him in love simon crazy ex-girlfriend girlfriend babe even i watched his um human rights campaign

speech when i was trying to write mine and mine came out a clunker but his is perfect in every way oh baby just like him just like him. Just like him. Everyone, please welcome into your ears, Clark Moore! Y'all, I'm gonna cry. That was the nicest- It's too early. Don't be crying. That was the nicest intro I've ever gotten.

It is such an honor to be here. Oh, no. Don't be crying. Now, Clark, how are you right now vibe wise because i think this is perfect this is a perfect sort of um meeting of our guest with the the vibe on lost culture right now which is a little bit more sedate it's a little bit slower it's a little bit more soothing i think because matt is having to sort of keep a low cap, a low lid on the vocal energy, which is normally his trademark.

Matt is literally healing. Yes. And my show is all about healing, about emotional healing. Yeah, I'm happy to bring the good vibes here. I knew I had to be there. You know, the thing is, though, when I see you, I smile too big. And when I smile

too big, my stitches rip open. And then I have to go get another procedure. No, he's joking. I'm kidding. Okay, good. Yeah. I mean, to answer your question, I'm fine. I'm, you know, ups and downs.

But generally, I think I'm in a similar vibe to what Matt has been saying on the pod the past couple of episodes about sort of getting into a stasis and then trying not to go too high or too low and just kind of being in that placid state day to day, which is nice. Yeah. Has it been like a sustained static thing for the whole pandemic? Are we talking about a more recent local stretch of time? I think, well, I mean, I think there were times in the early part where I allowed myself to get taken on rides every single day, you know, and like you open your, I mean, obviously right now, I've only read his name. I've not said his name out loud, so I can't think of it. Dante Wright.

Thank you, Simone. Also, by the way, I brought people with me because our man has an entourage. I brought the full entourage. I brought my producer, Simone. I brought my intern, Sally. Actually, I didn't bring them. They both said, we are coming because we love this show so much and i said who am i good i will not get between you two and bowen and matt i won't do it

so they're here now we welcome sally we love them um but yeah so like i i think in the earlier part i would have um allowed myself to go on a journey an emotional journey of like yet another unarmed black man being killed by the police who can't seem to figure out if it's a taser or a gun that they're holding you know maybe they shouldn't be a police maybe they shouldn't be a police officer if they can't tell the difference interesting like base level you know and and also it's so funny you would say that bowen about like, I mean, it's so funny for us to be talking about this now, because on your episode of Soul Bomb, we talked about Elijah McClain. I was listening to this talk between John Early and Dr. Catherine Liu at UC Santa Cruz. This

is so random. But she said she said this thing where she was like, you know, we're not going to get rid of like, racial biases in our lifetime. So the thing that we all have to focus on now is the fact that there are racists who can hurt you and there are racists who can't. And it's like she was talking about how she was like, she's in an interracial marriage, and she was in Europe somewhere at a bus stop. And then this woman was sneering at them clearly taking issue with the fact that they were

interracial and then the husband got Dr. Liu's husband got a little stressed out but then Dr. Liu just goes what am I gonna do like tell this woman off that I'm never gonna see again I mean of course it's like a crazy that's like a really tense maybe dangerous

situation in the moment but it's like just save the exertion the emotional labor let's say anything that has to do with like stirring you into action save that for the forces and the institutions and the structures whatever that have the potential to harm people. Like, that's what it is. That's kind of helped me with a lot of, as a way of looking at a lot of stuff like this. I'm sorry, I went on this huge tangent. No, that's exactly the space that I'm living in

because we actually just, to bring it back around, I promise I won't plug the pod every single time I speak today. Yes, yes, it's my pod. Do it. The girls should be listening to it. I will say the most recent episode that we put out, I think last week,

was with this psychologist named Dr. Marielle Bouquet. And she is a specialist in intergenerational trauma and sort of like mindfulness. She's a little bit in that holistic woo-woo space paired with the credentials of a doctorate in psychology from Columbia. Okay.

That's what makes it not so woo-woo because she got the doctorate. Yeah. We love it. Okay. From an Ivy even. We have sources. We have citations. But she talked about how we've normalized so many of these things, whether

it's even just putting a mask on our face, but the body doesn't process it that way. The body is still processing all of these little things that we've come to normalize about the pandemic, about racial trauma, about whatever, in a fight or flight way, because it's the only way that we're programmed to respond to these things. And so just because up here or like in our outward facing world, we think we're okay, if we're not actively doing something, and that can be a sound bath, it can be watching a television show, it can be reading. You know, it can be talking to your sister. But it has to be a conscious choice where you sit down and you say, this is the medicine that I'm taking to heal myself from whatever experience you had that day.

And if you aren't doing that, then it's storing in your body and it will come out in other ways. I feel like you two are are like you so carry the light like if you know that expression like you really do like you just have this like energy about you which is just you do make people feel better like something that i think everyone would want to say about themselves i can say about you which is like after you have an experience with you you feel better than you did before and so like that but i feel that that's true and so i don't know about you but for me like if i'm ever feeling useful or like productive in the world it has to be really connected to my joy so like and i kind of get that vibe from you as well

that like do you feel like you're more productive creative like useful when you are feeling joyful or do you as you like sort of create from strife? I would say it has to be purpose driven for me. Like I gotcha. I am. We are Pisces, right? We are Pisces sisters.

So I, it's a Scorpio King. A lot of water here. A lot of water. Dripping wet, dripping wet zoom. Um, but I,

so I, I'm in the, it's almost like, um, to stay in this woo space my my rising is gemini so my front facing is very social and very light and very you know like social butterfly i bounce around i make people feel good but in my sort of like behind the scenes, I'm diving into the depths of the darkness. And I sort of think of it as like, I'm doing that so you don't have to. You know, I have built up a tolerance for it. I know how to navigate there and I know how to turn that into something productive or creative for myself.

And then I can sort of be, I mean, of course I live for the Oprah comparison. It's the aspiration of my entire life. I can sort of be the guide through the darkness and we can walk through it together. But my whole thesis statement for life is wanting to make people feel better. And this thing that my dad used to say, the director of the performing arts camp that I used to go to that made me fall in love with performance, they both used to say and still say, always leave places and people better than you found them. And that means cleaning up the table after you leave

at the food court in the mall. That was the lesson. Especially that. You know mall that was especially that you know that was when my dad these filth queens the leaving the food courts like a zoo and if you're walking on the street you know you see some trash on the sidewalk like you pick it up and throw it away it's you know little things like that i feel crazy when i do that but i do do that like now i now even in LA where it's just like a truly lost cause in terms of how dirty it is. Like I'll be like, oh, this cough.

Like it's a public park. But I think it helps. But I mean, it's so funny that you say that. Because even as soon as we brought you in, you pointed out the fact that man is healing. It just means that you are attuned to that idea. Wait, I have such a frivolous question, but what's your moon? What's your moon sign? I'm double Pisces, girl.

Sun and moon. That same. I'm Pisces, Pisces rising, Cancer moon. So he's triple water placement. Yeah, I'm about to cry at any moment. It's beautiful. I I'm about to cry at any moment. It's beautiful. I love,

I love it about him. Clark, I just think that you probably provided me with like a real sense of groundedness over the summer with that interview, because I was like, you really, you really like had me talking in a way that I would never, I would never open up to most people that not even

my therapist i was like okay he's got me he's got me and i will tell the readers what it is what is it what no i tell tell the readers what the interview was the interview was on soul bomb it was just we were just talking about if i remember correctly i brought up conversion therapy i brought up forgiveness i brought brought up like all these things. You probably don't know this unless you've listened to the pod recently, but there's a really great clip. I know, I know. I have listened recently. Oh, okay, good.

And I'm truly honored that my soundbite is in there. Oh, good. I'm glad you feel that way. I'm like, God, you know, he got that out of me, that Clark. I mean, I was shook by it because I, you know, we really also speaking to the, you know, the podcast has been healing for me, but it's also a lot of work as you all know, putting out an hour of content a week is a lot. It's not nothing. Yeah.

It's not nothing. And it's more that it's like, it's more that it's constant. And the way that we run our show, because my producer Simone is like a proper late night producer. Thank God we don't do pre interviews. That would be too much, but we do extensive research beforehand. And then we also do a heavy edit because I want to give space to, you know, to sort of sit in silence even, or, you know, not to feel like you have to speak. And so a lot of times the interviews will be really slow and then we'll come back in and we'll just sort of like, the same thing with Matt's interview, I told you there was a section at the end where I was like, for whatever reason, I was like going for, I just kept going back to

the same point. And I was like, I feel like we got it. And so then we pulled out a whole five minute chunk where I was just asking the same question over and over and over. Anyway, all this to say that it's a lot of work and it's a lot of emotional labor as well. Because I'm really sitting in that space with the guest, which is nice and it can be healing. But specifically, Bowen, your interview, I just found it so, I said this to you then, I'll say it again, generous, the way that you think back on specifically conversion therapy and the relationship that you have with your parents. And I was asking you about forgiveness, your practice of forgiveness, because I want to develop one. And because I have a lot of resentment, she can hold a grudge. I'm going to hold a grudge on this

towing truck that has decided to- No, you don't forgive that. No, me too. Okay. There's a Subaru on the back of the truck, and for whatever reason, it's right outside my window oh but what you said was it's yeah forgiveness is a practice and it seems like it's going to be impossible and then you do it and then you're like oh i did it and then you just keep doing it the whole point of forgiveness is that you cut your your brain is telling you you have no reason to do that you have no reason to forgive that to forgive someone um not to get like biblical even but like yeah let's just that's kind of the whole not virtue of it it's just like it's it's it's it's

irrational like forgiveness is irrational i want to ask you but super you're saying like it is emotional labor what are you doing to release that like what are you doing what are you doing like what's your sound bath what's your tv show what? What's your what? For a while, I've also had to switch it up, you know, because you get into a habit and you sort of. So I'm actually dry at the moment. I know at the top of quarantine, I was dry for a while. And then I was like, what am I doing? And then I was smoking weed like every day for a while. And then a couple of weeks ago,

two, three, or maybe four weeks ago, I stopped and have replaced it with bedtime reading, which has been really nice. And I read Detransition Baby by Tori Peters. Have y'all read this? Oh my God, I stopped like a third of the way through, but I was just like, this is so sexy and hot and I love everything about this.

It was not good nighttime reading because it's a page turner and it's like, it gets you sort of going. But I read that last week and enjoyed it. I watch everything. I'm watching every, like all of the. That's not possible, but there's a lot of things. There's a lot of things. There's a lot of things.

So I actually, I made notes of what I watched this weekend. Okay. So I watched Thunder Force. Okay. What did you think? I thought it was so funny. Great.

I am very Melissa McCarthy girl. I love Octavia Spencer. I love Octavia. And I love their press narrative over the past couple of weeks. Yeah, they were friends like years and years ago, right? They were auditioning together like for like under fives and stuff. Yeah.

They're like old school Hollywood friends. Octavia is like friends with Melissa's parents. You know, it's like true friendship. And that layer of the narrative added. I thought it was funny. And they were up against each other at the Oscars when Octavia won. Yeah, that's crazy. I also rewatched Frances Ha.

Oh, great. Which I love, love, love, love. You love Noah. I love Noah, love Greta. Of course, it's very white, but still very good. One of the great films of white cinema. One of the great white films, Francis Hopp. Yes.

Black and white and white. Yes. Speaking of white people, y'all should watch the Netflix documentary about the college admissions scandal. I watched that. No, did you watch it? Oh my God. I did.

Suiting Night tried to start it, and then once it got to the recreation,reated like the recreation i was like no i'm out i'm out i'm out i had doubts too about the recreations but it actually by the end it's kind of good because you realize just how ridiculous some of the conversations that these parents were having like that like once it gets into the real thick of it like and you're actually hearing real transcripts acted out of the way people talk about their kids like this one woman that's like the thing is you know we're dealing with my younger daughter and she's so much smarter than my older daughter like my older daughter was never gonna ask questions about this but my younger daughter isn't stupid like my older daughter

that was so good i loved that when she dragged her kids yeah and. And then, and then you realize like, like eventually like the kids are going to find out that you did this. And they even say in the thing, like, you know, I think while the, while the parents would say they were thinking about their kids when, when they did this,

like they were really not right. Right. Right. Right. Right. No. Yeah. I watched it and same thing.

But when I was like, these reenactments are going to be brutal. They were, they seemed seemed like they were gonna be tacky yeah and then I was like you know what girl you get your COVID check okay I have said yes to some things I would not have said yes to a year and a half ago okay I'm like you do what you gotta you read that transcript I would be like you want me to say what okay sure, sure. Point me where's the camera? Matthew Modine, darling. A starring role. That's right.

I was like, yeah, Matthew. Sorry, go ahead and keep going. And then what else have we consumed? I weirdly had an emotional reaction to Godzilla versus Kong, which I watched yesterday. Emotional reaction, extreme anger? No, I cried.

Beautiful. What girl? Okay, so. First of all, who do you identify with? Well, it wasn't actually, have y'all seen it? Yes. I have not. I have not.

I'm dying to. Okay, so how can we not spoil the film? You can spoil. I have a feeling. I kind of know what the spoiler is. I feel like I will love it no matter what. I i think you love it i really love those movies so okay so the thing that made me cry is a little bit of a spoiler in that it sort of like opens up a plot device but it's not any of any like big spoilers okay so if it's a list reader if you're listening you haven't seen

it um skip ahead let's say five minutes we'll give you a specific time signature, but yes. Okay, great. Sorry, I keep going, Clark. So basically around 30 minutes, there's this little girl who has like developed a relationship with Kong in the habitat that he's living in. And she is hearing impaired. And you sort of see through the first 30 minutes that she's like, has a

relationship with him, but you don't really know what it is. And right around minute 30, it is revealed in the most beautiful way that the relationship she has with her is that she can communicate with him through sign language. And the reason why it got me, the reason why it got me was because it was just such a beautiful narrative that this girl's, I'm literally going to cry, this girl's disability is her superpower. It's a crucial plot device. The only way anyone else can communicate with Kong

is through this girl's relationship because of her disability. And it was just so like, in this time of representation and the conversations of like shoehorning diversity in and how brutal it is to watch them check boxes, you know, and like for it to be such a thoughtful inclusion and for it to be the main driving crucial plot point you know huge huge oh it got me it got and then he signs home

to her oh my god it was beautiful oh my god clark there was some good stuff in there i would say while we're still in spoiler zone um it always irritates me when it's like Godzilla versus Kong, and then at the end, there's no winner because they're both actually good. Like, Godzilla comes in, kills what has to be millions of people, like shooting lasers, like stomping on buildings, doing Godzilla's gig. Like, he comes in fully on game and then at the end they have a conversation. They like

they speak to one another and by the way there's a really good line by Rebecca Hall which is we think they have an ancient rivalry. Like she's just like

sort of rifling through drawers trying to find papers or whatever and she's like we believe they have an ancient rivalry and it's like well this is just pure camp

and then honestly maybe I loved it at the end when they spoke to each other and decided that godzilla would go back to the sea you know what i mean like sure but i i just i guess when you say someone versus someone there should be a winner and you know i mean shouldn't we as an audience be trained around the idea that there will be like you're not gonna kill you're so right you're so right you're so right those are two icons yeah they can't die no no i 100 agree with you and i feel like you know i'm being a little facetious here i really want them both to live i love both the girls i love both of the girls both the girls they represent so much it would

be like it would be like at the end of the podcast if one of one of us had to die we're two icons on their love we we have to both live you know what i mean yeah well that as a as a reader that's how we feel when you guys talk about the suicide pact that you've created the megan mccain suicide pact okay we don't want to lose you i really don't think she's coming on, so I think we're okay. I think that she has denied the request. Crazier things have happened

this year. Crazier things have happened. No, I don't think it's in the cards. Wait, Clark, can I ask you another frivolous question even to undercut

how perfectly put you, just what you found so beautiful about this film. Were you stoned when you watched it? I was not. It was dry at the time. I was on about a pound of edibles.

If I was stoned I probably would have laughed a lot more. I probably would have gone on a ride with the visual experience but because I was sober actually not only did I cry more but in the context of Biden presenting his infrastructure plan, the only thing I could think about was as Godzilla is destroying Hong Kong.

I'm like, okay, that's a billion dollars. There's another two and a half billion. Where are we getting the budget to rebuild Hong Kong? And if you're taxing my ass, which I'm okay okay with i don't want my money going towards a pothole in a white neighborhood i want that everywhere distributed come on okay um tax them they're ancient what kind of generational wealth have they developed exactly exactly the real housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that.

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Wow. He said I watched everything, and he's not watching the race here's the veil for me i i i have not watched i stopped watching reality television a couple years ago and this is actually something i know i really want to know no i love this yes yes i want to hear why so it was and you know what's so funny it was potomac for me that really really made me sort of go over the edge and potomac two years ago yes i want to say it was whatever whenever the narrative about robin and the house and the divorce and not having any money and you know like i don't know i can't speak to their narratives now but well it got worse so this is the thing that i have always found so strange and potomac i think was what

lifted the veil for all the other uh you know girls in the franchise for me um i thought it was supposed to be about aspirational wealth and i thought it was supposed to be about aspirational wealth. And I thought it was supposed to be about people who had a certain amount of money that either we never would have and or like, isn't it great to see them fail socially because they have money that we're jealous of, you know, or like, isn't it great to see people fight? Because that's the only way that I can make sense of the fact that they have, you know, this conspicuous consumption that we're watching on television. But then with Potomac, it was like, all these girls are broke. And so I'm like, okay, wait, are these women on the show? And then also with all the other places, you start to see how they become dependent on the income in order to maintain the lifestyle. They go in and they have some amount of wealth that they've accumulated or whatever. And now, though, now they have to make their one million a year on Real Housewives of Atlanta or their however many hundreds of thousands a year on whatever other thing. And so many of them start there with the hopes of going somewhere else.

I think of a person like Nini. And then that doesn't necessarily pan out in the traditional sense. And so then they have to come back. Anyway, all this to say, and this is what I'm really curious y'all's thoughts are. I've started to feel complicit in really the destruction of these women's lives because the drama is contrived, but real. The divorces are real. The estrangement from their children is real, you know, and then like the dependency on this, you know, it's this negative feedback loop that they've sort of seemed to get gotten trapped in. That makes complete sense to me. this seems like a codependent thing where it's the network or it's, um,

it's, or it's whatever. It's the network. You depending on the housewives as talent and then the housewives, depending on the network as a source of income, when it's really a one way exploitation. Um, and that prop that might've opened your eyes to all of reality TV or most reality TV,

which is also exploitative in that same way. Your 90 Day Fiances, your, I mean, that's just like, I feel like that is the prime example. Not the prime example, but like your hoarders, your like that kind of thing. Yeah, 600 Pound Life. Yeah. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.

You know, I think it's interesting like what i like about the housewives is um the sort of um ways in which people really say what they feel and i actually has i think and this is maybe a reach for me to say but it may have improved how i deal with conflict in my life because i'm less afraid of what's going to happen if I say what I really think to someone and say what's bothering me maybe because I've seen it displayed so many times in such bad ways on these shows but also in such productive ways but in terms of your thing about like it feels like it's not like a symbiotic relationship like it's them taking taking taking i think it depends who you are i think if you are someone like let's say jen shaw on the real housewives of salt lake city and you know you are a criminal and you know you've stolen millions from hundreds of people

working class people then i don't think you go on a reality show because yes your life is going to be destroyed i think if you're someone like erica jane and you know more than you say about what your husband has done maybe don't go on the reality show if she truly didn't know anything and she thought this is going to be a way to connect myself with a new audience and you know i have a music career that i want more people to know about, then maybe that's why she did it. But I think it's like any person can go out in the world and going out in the world can go well for you or go badly for you. So I think that these people, whether they're delusional or not, they sign up for this opportunity knowing that it can go well for them or badly for them.

I just think not enough people are realistic enough about how it's going to go for them, but that's what makes them really good reality stars, and I do think it's fun to watch. And I like your saying, because they all do have this wealth they can fall back on, I don't really feel bad if someone's daughter is mad at them because they said that the daughter didn't look good in clothes

when they went on a reality show and paraded this opinion about like it's it's it to me it's like it's like a study in like hubris lack thereof i think it's some says something really crazy about america which i really like watching i i think it's also a response to um the reality shows like that were sort of around in like the early aughts that were all about aspirational wealth like it felt like you know the fabulous life and like everything was about these rich rich rich people and these shows really bring them down to earth and i feel like watching that happen is cathartic a little bit um that being said i also know that a little bit of what i'm saying is like no no it's

still good i'm fine and what you're saying is right it's why i avoided it for so long that's why i never got into it for so long as i was like you the last thing you could get me to watch is the housewives right then i actually think it's some of the better reality tv that's out there to be honest but do you feel like Clark, that there's a reality TV shaped hole in your consumption? Or are you just like, no, I'm good.

Like there's plenty of stuff to watch. Well, it's the, it's that it's also paired with the time, uh, you know, we have so many scripted series now and, and you couldn't possibly watch everything.

Um, so I don't feel, I do sometimes feel, I do sometimes feel out of the conversation. And so in those times I'll try to like, like I did watch, I guess it's more of a docuseries, but I did watch Tiger King,

which was like a docuseries compliment ever. I guess it's more of a docu-series yeah but that similarly i felt so like dirty watching that yeah so like oh that was gross i will say i i did watch and i really enjoyed selling sunset and the reason i did was because i was loving your your episodes about it. And I just didn't, I just was like, I don't get it, but I want to engage in this conversation. So I will sometimes dive in, but usually I'm just trying to create some distance. Sure. And for Selling Sunset, there is some, not exception to this idea around reality that

you're sort of, that I think you're sort of holding in a very nuanced understanding way, but it's that it doesn't feel like these people are being exploited, with the exception of, like, what's-her-face, Davina. Right.

Well, especially knowing the context of adam what is his name adam devillo adam the oh yeah the guy the hills the hills guy yeah he did the hills in laguna and so knowing i guess this is also sort of part of what i'm saying about reality television in general is like being at a point now where every class of person, not socioeconomic class, but every like new class of housewives or, you know, TV show, whatever. These are all people who have all watched some version of reality television. We're not getting people who have no idea.

We're not getting, what was her name on season one of Real Housewives of Atlanta? She only lasted one season and she was so sweet. I don't know Atlanta. Not Deshawn. Maybe it was Deshawn.

And she wrote like a $15,000 tithing check in her mega church on like the second episode of the show. You know, you're not getting people who have no idea what they're getting into anymore you're getting people like Davina exactly who are going on to this with some like wacko idea of like this is how I'm going to create my narrative on this show when she tried to sell that 150 million dollar house or whatever that was I hope we can continue to follow that narrative and also in a way you have seen drag because you've seen Christine on Selling Sunset. So your drag race potion is sort of filled there. Yeah. It may be time now as we sort of talk.

Wait, what? I'm in the drag race canon. I don't know how I haven't mentioned this. Do you know this? Wait. Go on. So Alex, one of my best friends, Alex Newell, my good Judy. Oh, my God, Alex Newell.

Was on Celebrity. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Of course. Of course. And that was the roast episode.

Yes. And there's, oh, was it? I actually didn't watch it. It doesn't matter. Okay. It was Alex and two other people competing for money for charity. Yes. And Alex got Bob the queen um as a mentor and they were all they all

had like once they got into drag they had to show their friends and family and and whatever and so i am on alex's iphone my chiron was alex's friend and it is in my imdb credits i don't know who put it there but thank you oh my gosh and yeah it there i am on alex's phone and not himself not self alex's friend exactly very distinguished very you were playing the role i was playing the role yeah we must know um the answer that you have to our question that we ask every single guest and this is truly the moment yeah um which is clark what was the culture that made you say culture was for you this is so hard to answer and of course i've thought about it at length i think about it every single episode and it gives me a little bit of an anxiety attack because I'm like, what am I going to say? The reason why it's hard for me to answer though is because a theme that I've sensed in a number of your guests is certainly as they've become

performers or known performers, there is a shift where they feel like it's something they do alone privately for themselves at home in their community theater or whatever to like oh now I'm gonna do this on a bigger stage I'm gonna do this on in tv and film I'm gonna do this on Broadway yeah but for me I discovered performance as a child actor like so immediately like my earliest memories of theater or auditioning are also some of my earliest conscious memories. So I never felt separate from culture. I had the opposite. I was just waiting for the phone to ring for me to go be in a movie. You know, I was always like, I had that delusion from day one. But I will say, I combed through the memories.

Yes. And I did pick one that is, it wasn't necessarily the only moment, but it was one of many. And it's curated specifically for the girls here. Oh my God. We love a curation station. You're welcome. In elementary school i like everyone here i

loved the spice girls they were my everything they were my all it sounds insane to say this because it really makes me feel a hundred years old but i i had their uh I can't remember what the album was called, but I had it on a track. I had it on a tape. Spice? Yes, Spice. It was white with the colors, yeah, and the letters. Oh, my gosh.

And I loved it so much that I actually had a little, I guess you could call it a cover band. And we were called the spice kids and we would perform spice girls tracks exclusively on the wood chips during recess so on like the you know and the moment the the the specific moment where i was like started to see the pieces come together you know it's that meme where like Keira Sedgwick is looking around or whoever it is looking around and all the numbers are

flying around their head it's a woman who looks like Keira Sedgwick she does resemble Keira Sedgwick we call her Numberswoman Numberswoman it's rule of culture number 98 Numberswoman resembles Keira Sedgwick. And

I was seeing sort of like the behind the scenes. So they have this performance. Do you remember the song Naked? Oh, we talk about this all the time. Istanbul, where they're nude behind the chairs. Behind the chairs. The backwards chairs. This is one of the most iconic moments in culture.

It's actually very formative. Is this on the list? I don't the most iconic moments in culture. It's actually a very, very formative. And is this on the list? I don't think this is on the list. It's not on the list, but the Spice World, the album and the film is in the top 50. Go on, Klaus. Yes, and so the lights are out. You see nothing.

You see the silhouettes of these women who we love come out and you see that there's something going on, but you don't know what it is. They sit behind the chairs, the lights come up, they drop the towels and they're quote unquote naked behind the chairs that they're sitting in backwards. Okay.

The reason why I say this is the moment that I knew culture was for me, I already love this. Is because even as a six year old, when I was watching that, I immediately was like, okay, I know they're not naked because it would be illegal. It would be lewd.

It would be, right? So they had to have- It would be lewd and crude and rude. Right? So they have to have something going on there. There's some sort of production element here. And they have successfully created the illusion of magic yeah right and we love and that's what it all is right that's as as any actor is you know you know that you're

creating an illusion that is experienced in the viewer it's not real it's it's this magic trick and I this is actually why my cover band became banned B-A-N-N-E-D you did not get nude well no because I was like we can't but I attempted to recreate that moment on the wood chips on the wood chips

oh my god title of app on the wood chips with my two co-star, co-my second lead vocalist and third lead vocalist. Yes. Hello. Because there were only three of us in the Spice Kids.

And I kept trying to, I just remember being six or seven years old and thinking like, okay, it's about a 30 second walk from the closest bathroom to our stage. So how are we going to get there without revealing we don't have you know we don't have a backstage we don't have it's all open it's all open air and also this is a we're in in the round so how are we going to create the illusion

of nudity for the people behind us as well as the people beside and in front of us you just can't do it and i, I enlisted the help of the teachers because I was like, how do I figure out this moment? You were like a young child being like, how do I do a nude illusion in the round? And these adults are like, nude illusion in the round is title of app.

Nude illusion in the round. And I was like, how do I figure this out? And they were like, okay, honey, I think you've taken this a little too far. We're going to have to stop. We're going to have to ask you to stop. Also, you know, she said to me, a number of the other students are jealous because they aren't in the band. And, you know, there's sort of an exclusivity thing happening here.

So we're going to have to, it's been a great run, but we're going to have to end the Spice Kids. Wow. Okay. So were you silent or were you silenced? Silenced for sure. The latter. The latter. Oh my God.

Wait, and I should also round out the story. I don't, the other two girls, I don't remember one of them, which I feel so bad. It's such a Michelle Williams situation. Oh,

but my second lead vocalist was actually a woman by the name of, now her name is Dr. Alicia Kramer. And she is married to us. Senator John Ossoff. What? Oh my God. So let me tell you,

I knew he could put it down i knew it from the second i saw him i was like he can put it down i know it i know he gets real sweet and sensitive and you go i bet he's married to a former spice kid who now goes by the name dr alicia kramer kramer the one, what, what, so basically you had three girls in the Spice Kids. Mm-hmm. You understand there is famously five. So did you have identities similar to famously the Spice Girls were sort of, you understand, baby, posh, sporty, scary, and ginger. Explain that.

We did. So the way that I worked around it, because you have to understand, Matt and Bowen, not everyone was talented enough to be in the Spice Kids. Oh, we get that. This is why we had to cap it at three. Because there wasn't, you know know we weren't going to dull ourselves water it down to have a fourth and a fifth just to be you know true to true to the original that's why you cut latoya and latavia okay i wasn't gonna say it but well anti-inclusion icon clark moore exclusive from Clark Moore. Exclusive from the beginning. So I said to the girls, I said, I said to the girls, I said.

So I said to the girls, I said. We can do whatever you want. You know, if you want to have a name, if you want to pick a name, you can combine a name. I will allow y'all to choose. The only thing that I know for sure is that I am baby. And so i went by baby boy

i didn't go by baby spice i went by baby boy baby boy and then i don't remember what the other girls chose but i specifically remember baby boy and i remember having a little lollipop ah like emma and being a little cheeky six-year-old now here's the deal i think as adults we can all say like i identify with a certain spice girl now like i i i genuinely identify on this day of all days in my life with like more of a scary spice energy i identify with more of a sort of ginger spice rising when I think that Posh lives inside me but there's something about being a kid like I don't think

there were a lot of kids looking at the Spice Girls and not saying I'm baby like baby was everyone wanted to be a baby yes that's why I had to claim it and not to keep digging into this bit but you are gatekeeping, girlbossing, the house down.

No, I love this. Gatekeeping and girlbossing, another frontrunner for title events. It's so shocking to have three. Wow. So then who were Alicia and the other one? What were their identities? Doctor. Doctor Alicia.

Fool. one what were their identities dr dr alicia fool i want to say dr kramer was sporty because she was always very athletic and i do i do vaguely remember that and i can't for the life of me remember that third girl oh my god watch this girl be like elizabeth olsen or something yeah truly a superstar honestly it's so crazy that that she went on to real John Ossoff marrying and Dr. Success. She did. And also John, he, because then from elementary school, we all continued through the same. We switched from that elementary school to a different one and then all went to junior high and high school together. I don't mean to put the senator's business out in the streets, but...

No, do it. We've all seen those old musical theater videos. Come on, not much left to hide after that. Dr. Kramer and I actually were first and second chair cello, cellists in the orchestra together while their romance was beginning. And so literally while we were like playing cello together, I was getting the tea about this hot upperclassman that she was dating and who was named Jonathan at the time.

And he always sort of had like a senatorial air. A quality. You know, he was always very, and then he went off to, he's actually connected to my my professional trajectory weirdly in that he went off to georgetown and was in an acapella group there the georgetown chimes and you were acapella boy and at dartmouth at dartmouth because i was i

decided to go into acapella i kind of probably was always going to do acapella. I've always had acapella energy. But part of the reason why I decided to do it is because he brought the chimes back to Atlanta, to our school, Paideia. And they taught us all these songs. So I now randomly know all these Georgetown fight songs. Oh my gosh. And then I decided to go off to Dartmouth and join the Dartmouth Airs

and then the Airs bringing it all the way back around to reality television show. We competed on the sing-off. Oh my God, you did not. We were runners up

to Pentatonix. What? Mm-hmm. I forget that's where Pentatonix comes from. That's where Pentatonix comes from. And so that was my

like introduction to Los Angeles. It was my first time working on a lot. We shot on the Sony lot right down the street in Culver City. And it was, yeah. So then I guess I owe the senator my career. Wait, this is a wild little connection. Isn't that great?

That's great. But I have one thing. You were about to say something about Elizabeth Olsen olsen i thought when you said elizabeth olsen i thought you meant elizabeth holmes and so i was about to make a joke that she went off to commit fraud and that's why i was distancing myself from her because of the fairness because of the fairness of course of course um i think we still have to talk about spice girls yeah for a second i think there's endless there's endless conversations to be had about about the impact were we kids were we all kids who like read liner notes i i like nothing had like captured me in such a way well first of all i want to say clark i watched the naked

performance as a child around that same age and i was i was not showbiz savvy enough to be like that's fake i was like they're actually naked their boobs their boobs or their breasts are touching the chair they were certainly in a believable state of undress bow and i would not shame yourself for that one they there was movie magic happening and movie magic is some of the most powerful magic it's it's chaos it's chaos magic wanda truly that makes you the scarlet witch or the ginger spice if you understand the sort of comparison ginger is wanda was she the leader was she the leader let's just let's decide it and did they end after she left it was sad it was really i that was

heartbreaking first sort of understanding of mortality in a way or or something being finite yes exactly yeah the good times don't last forever they don't they don't they really don't and it felt like it would and and also the fact that it was a choice and such a conscious choice made me feel a little bit betrayed betrayed yeah you know and that was sort of my um introduction to heartbreak in a way. Yeah. Absolutely. That actually tracks so, so neatly. I was heartbroken. Not easy.

Not easy, and it really was this thing of like, when like, you know, Goodbye or Forever came out, I was like, oh, this is my first real understanding up close of what like, thinking like, no, it's not the same.

It's not the same. It's not the same. Something is lost. Something is lost here. And to answer Matt's question, was Ginger the leader? I don't think she was. My relationship at the time with the Spice Girls

was that it's beautiful. It's a group. It's girl power. It's all five of them being on the same level, same footing, not vocally even, but somehow they're each essential yeah and it kind of still affirms the fact that once ginger left it still didn't hold up no you know it's it's exactly what you're saying it's like because there wasn't a leader and like it felt like a limb was missing and they could not perform at

the same way like it was just all about the five and they could not perform at the same way. Like it was just all about the five of them. Remember when they were saying feminism before everyone else, like in a mainstream way, like, and that was her, that was like her thing.

She was the one wearing the union Jack, you know what I mean? Like she was so much of the visual identity of the group that for her to leave. I think that's why I asked, was she the leader? Because she is so strongly identifiable. Like the way she sang, is so strongly identifiable.

Like, the way she sang, that wasn't really singing. You know what I mean? I'm doing that with my nose splint on. But you know what I'm saying. I think it's helping, yeah. She was so visually and sonically what that group was. That's why I think she gets confused as being the leader sometimes. But she was just as much a part of it as anyone else.

There's a really great video on YouTube. I want to say it's a Vogue interview with Jerry. Where she's slipping through her looks? Yes, yes. And she talks about the dress. She talks about the creation of the Union Jack dress and basically how it was an accident and sort of puts interesting context to

what was obviously an insane. I mean, it was only a year. It was only right. Like one year, maybe almost two was the entire experience of this spice girls, like two or three years, 97,

98 or 96, 97. Yeah. It was hard and fast. It was. And that in looking back on that, especially, you know,

time obviously was processed differently by us then being six and seven um than now but it felt like forever it did not feel like one year it felt like 10 i just think about like especially in the context of like saying culture is for me or wanting to be a contributor to it or being a part of it, it speaks to the overwhelming element of a public life, of fame of any kind, of notoriety of any kind. surf the wave when it's a tsunami you know and yet they were pulling out every single moment in that full year and a half two years was an i i hate to use this word because it's so overused but it was an iconic no yeah moment the dress the shoes the hair the looks the songs the movie ubiquity the album that they recorded while they were shooting the movie. You know, like, it was just... And to quote the Iceberg, what was it? 12 songs, no skips.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything was a banger. Everything they released was amazing. Oh, my God. I want a man, not a boy who thinks he can. And then the iconic boy who thinks he can I cannot do it right now you guys if you saw me you would understand

it was gorgeous but you're right Clark my mother just gave me a dirty look they achieved a kind of fame that distorted time because we brought up the same idea when we talked about britney after um yeah after after the britney doc came out but britney's whole ascension was like in like a three to four year span too not three to four years but like up until like blackout when

like things just sort of like reached a hilt it was like what like 1999 to or 98 no no 99 to 2006 2000 yeah four five six seven i can't even do the math right now but you know what i'm saying a short amount of time she had been around for like six years and then she needed like a major reinvention like in the zone was like what i think they would consider it a major reinvention for her right like because she did the first three albums it was like maybe one more time oops i did it again britney but she had those three albums and then she needed to go away for like what was an unheard of at the time like eight months right to go prepare a different identity and it was in the zone which i which which then came out and like was like a major change for her but that the fact that that needed to happen because she it was in the zone, which then came out and was a major change for her.

But the fact that that needed to happen because it was so much in succession. Yeah, it's like that ubiquity we were talking about. But for the Spice Girls, it felt like a full textured career that only lasted two, three years. Yes. Insane insane and also at the time it being like again like we talk about like they were truly famous everyone knew who they were nowadays it's like you know people are upset that this is like happening now with little mix like little mix their

fame has been spread out for literally 10 years they've they've it's been like a decade since they did the x factor in the uk yeah they're a huge band but they actually stuck around for way longer and like they're the most quote-unquote successful girl group in the world like and guaranteed like i would go as far as say seven out of ten people in america might not even know who they are oh totally whereas the. Whereas the Spice Girls, it was like, if you didn't know who they were, you must have been dead, darling.

They were compared to, I mean, they were disdainfully so because, you know, the Beatles hold are such held in high regard, but, but they were compared to that level of fame and that sort of insanity. I also,

we were also the target demographic for it. But it did seem like beyond that, there were people who at least were aware. You couldn't escape it. They were everywhere. Right. Favorite Spice Girls song? I was going to say rank them.

Rank the songs? Rank the girls. Okay. Rank the girls. Oh my God. I can rank the girls. I can't rank the songs. Well, give us rank the girls okay rank the girls oh my god I can rank the girls I can't rank the songs well I will

give us rank the girls first and then top three top three songs unranked okay number one is of course

Baby because of all the reasons we said and because I will always have a you know she started my career I owe my career to her

she really did that's true to Baby Spice and John Asa. And I guess scary. I will say, you know, in the context of identity and race and the things that I talk about on my podcast, I did have a little bit of the like, you're the black person, so you have to be scary. Right, of course. And so I sort of brushed up against that a lot when i was younger and and i think i over corrected when i was younger in not wanting

to identify with scary only because of our race right but i think now she is definitely up there of course jerry i think right in the middle jerry okay that's bold and that's bold posh uh yeah right after miss beckham who i have a screenshot of i have a screenshot of david beckham's instagram story when he and presumably posh watched love simon together in their screening room in their house. I loved Love, Simon. I thought it was an amazing film. I loved Ethan so much. He was a great character that I laughed at and cried at. I loved that forever.

With my beautiful children after my husband and I went and had sex all night. I never sleep. And then you're going to rate Sporty last? Yeah. Looks like it. Okay interesting interesting all right now the vocals just don't matter to you the vocals don't it was more that like her i you know they all had a shtick and her shtick wasn't as um you know it was i was sort of like you weren't responding to it you weren't really girl you're gonna wear sweatpants on stage yeah yeah yeah that's your look your look is gonna be track suit uh-huh she was coming for the tomboys and there's not there's not a tomboy here she's very ahead of

her time exactly right and that's the great thing about them is that they spoke to everyone i'm not in that demographic but there were plenty of people in sporty's demographic of course okay so now three tracks that you find to be the most essential spice girls songs i think i have them so do y'all want to go do you want have it and then i'm gonna say um so just why am i forgetting the science to become one to become one wannabe to become one and i'm gonna say who do you think you are those are the three wow okay i would i would say wannabe and to become one and i would remove who do you think you are, and I would put it in Spice Up Your Life. Because I just get so hyped when the drums start in the beginning

and the la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la. And speaking of culture, when they were surfing black cabs at the Olympics. Yes, yes. That was iconic. That was iconic. And all five came back. It was catharsis for everyone to see all five of them back.

Because it was the last goddamn time. Because Victoria is too busy slaying it in the fashion world. Have you seen her Vogue 73 questions? It's a must watch. It's comedy. It's comedy. It's pure comedy. Her summer dress.

She said, I'm channeling scary in my summer dress. A perfect summer dress. She posted that on her Instagram the other day. It was very cute. You can buy the dress. She said, I'm channeling Scary in my summer dress, a perfect summer dress. She posted that on her Instagram the other day. It was very cute. You can buy the dress. They ask her if she wants to act and she goes, what does she say? She says, I

starred in Spice World and I'm still waiting for my Outstanding Achievement Award. And then they ask, what disease would you get rid of right now if you couldn't? She just, without missing a beat, goes, AIDS. But just the force with which she says,

the conviction with which she says, AIDS. Amazing. And she also, there's a moment where she goes, they're like, why don't you ever smile? And she goes,

I just tell people, I'm smiling on the inside. Icon. Icon. Clark, it is time for your three Spice Girls tracks. We gave you a breath. Okay. So number one for me is To Become One. And the reason why is it's actually connected with a power move

that I like to employ as a guest at a wedding. I always sing at weddings. Okay, Icon. He's a vocalist, Icon. Specifically when I've either not been asked or expressly asked not to sing. Wow, you're the guy with the guitar, but you don't have the guitar. Exactly. You have the vocals.

What I do is I've locate, let me tell you anyone who wants to do this. I locate the queen with the headset because that's the wedding planner. As we learned from, you know, the wedding planner. Yes. Sorry, Jennifer Lopez.

Very famous. Um, and I, I sidle up and I do my little gay best friend, hey girl. Hey. You know? Drop in. And I'm like, so my gift to the bride and the groom, they don't know this.

It's a secret. It's a surprise. Can you help me? I enlist her. Oh my God. And then I sort of like find my way to the band. I find my way to whatever. And then, ideally, they have no idea what's coming.

The music starts. And then, boom, there I am. I sing To Become One. It's the perfect wedding song. I dream of you and me together. Say you believe it. It's a beautiful song. So good.

It's a beautiful song. We sang it. We sang it with Catherine and Pat at Seek Treatment Live. We sang it to Ben and Pat. Which lyrics did you do? Did you do? Well, Bowen and I were singing and Pat and Kat were dancing. So Bowen and I we like to sing the same thing at the same

time. Okay. No, but we split up the verse. Did you do the first beginning? No, no, no. I mean specifically I mean specifically did you do boys and girls look good together? Or love will lead us back

together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember can't remember what i think we did boys and girls look good together okay there's an all-inclusive lyric there that you can do right that they did that over time but i think we did the text as written um i mean we love the call to condom use in that song be a little bit wiser baby put it on put it on yeah that was maybe i think baby's most iconic moment when she would sing the pre-choruses and say oh yeah but that that music video is new york culture because it was it was the first time i was like seeing like besides like trolling central park or whatever um it was it was like these beautiful shots of time square and the twin towers and like the brooklyn i was like this is i was like whatever like that place seems like the

most beautiful place in the world and it made me like it is and it and it is it really is oh honey oh new york frank sinatra eat your heart out the quintessential new york musical moment is to become one to become one fucking posh spice oh no i don't know if it's posh or scary but and by the courthouse like oh yeah like city hall not even city hall the courthouse yeah at the courthouse honestly a very the courthouse. Honestly, a very good video. They had good videos too. Great videos. Say You'll Be There, that was pretty iconic. Because Wannabe was

like, as a music video, it is iconic, but you can tell this is when they had no budget. And then after that song was a huge smash, then they got a budget and got their videos together. We're going to go to the desert. They were going to say, we could pay for a truck now to take the girls out to the desert. We can pay for a 12 pack of water bottles for the girls.

We got a water budget. We got a water budget. So then number two, close second is naked, of course. Oh, so you're, okay, great. It's like they're basically tied. But the only reason why two become one is higher is because I perform it at weddings when I'm not asked. And then last is is wannabe and specifically the video.

And they're in the house and they're up and down the stairs and they're right in the camera. It's a hotel in London that I think you can go to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say those are excellent choices. I'm going to challenge my sister. excellent choices i'm gonna challenge my sister i'm not gonna challenge my sister i'm just gonna say spice up your life i want to love i want to i want to love it so badly too chaotic too chaotic see i think i like the chaos of it especially because like they didn't really have a bigger song after that i felt like they gave you everything in that one big last song but but you know it is a little once you got into the whatever was happening there it was like a little crazy sometimes i'm not in the mood sometimes i'm

not in the mood to be like shaken awake like that there's value to it, of course, but I would even, yes, this was not as big of a hit as the other stuff, but I'm sooner listening to Holler off of Forever. Holler, excellent song. Excellent song, just the four of them. Wonderful.

Did anyone say, stop right now? We didn't, none of us said stop. Thank you very much. That was a good one too it was so like the that was everyone's bit for yeah you know what i mean anytime anyone said stop it was like oh it's gonna come you're right it was that for a while it was diana it was the supremes and then when that song came like they'd be like, stop in the name of it. But then Stop came out and everyone would break into the song if the word stop managed to make it into the conversation. It was awful.

The 90s were a crazy time. Truly. Before we move on from Spice Girls, I do want to know everyone's favorite comedic or dramatic moment from the Spice World film. And I also would like to reach out to all the readers who, perchance, might know a way we can watch the Spice World film because like Alaska said on this program, Las Culturistas, and her I Don't Think So Honey, you can not

get this film. So someone find a way to get us this film. Please. You'd be our favorite reader. But what is your favorite comedic or dramatic moment from spice world for me it's the reveal sort of in like a doctor who tardis way that the inside of the bus is bigger than the outside yes when they walk in and somehow magically they walk into a studio set the sound stage that is somehow also on wheels in a double

decker bus. Yes. Beautiful fantasy. That's it for me. I really bought it. I thought it was real. And I was an idiot. It's like me with the naked performance. I'm like, okay, this is real. It was exactly like that. And that's what made us sisters at a very young age. We were both idiots. And destined

to be friends. I think I've said in the past, because it is not available to watch anywhere, I have only seen it one or two times. Oh, Bowen, it would be your favorite film. It would be your favorite film.

But the moment that stands out to me, that just screamed at me in the most beautiful way, at the most beautiful frequency as a child, was when Elton John shows up out of nowhere

and they all freak out and they're like elton and i'm like and that was the moment where i was like these girls are so powerful i was like these girls know elton john they are so powerful and i will do i will i will i will do whatever they say and so that's the moment it's like it was a flex so that's that's neither a comedic nor dramatic moment but it was a moment that really the moment it was a flex. So that's, that's neither a comedic nor dramatic moment, but it was a moment that really was like, it was like, it was, it was like a moment of crossover culture. It was a moment of like pre Avengers,

pre kingdom hearts, LOL, pre whatever me being like, wow, worlds can collide. I mean, these are real people, but in terms of that movie being the container for them to cross paths,

I go, Oh my God, this I've never seen anything like this. My favorite moment in the film is famously when they are doing the obstacle course. And the four of them are going through the obstacle course. And you just see like all of a sudden, Victoria Beckham just walking, victoria adams at the time posh spice just walking around the obstacle course in her heels and this is what she's going to do for the obstacle course she's not going to do it she just struts alongside while the other girls like do it it's so funny it's hilarious and then there's another scene later where they're in the hospital

and they're waiting for their friend to give birth which is like the plot of the movie like their friends giving birth they have to do a concert but they want to be there for her so like they're all in the hospital and Jerry goes I spy with my little eye something blue and

one of them goes hospital and Posh Spice just goes shut up jerry and that's why she's due her outstanding achievement award and from what awards body we don't know but we just know that the award is called outstanding achievement award give her her awards it's real culture number 15 pos Spice is due her outstanding achievement award. Her outstanding achievement award. Oh my God.

Spice World. Oh my gosh. I just want to thank Clark for giving us the gift to talk about Spice, the Spice Girls, which is in itself a ball. You're welcome.

I mean, it was a gift, the gift of Spice. The gift of Spice. The gift of Spice. And Sisterhood. Spice and Sisterhood spice and sisterhood another title of app it's before we go into i don't think so honey because i feel it coming yes i can feel it i brought another gift for the two of you which is a a story that i have never

told anyone and i don't know how i made it through my press campaign without saying this story about Love, Simon a couple years ago, but it is an exclusive behind the scenes. Oh my gosh, okay. Again, specifically curated for the readers. When we were shooting the film, which we don't need to name, I can just call it the film. The film. So my scene, the big principal's office scene, right? The two of us were sitting there. I get my moment.

I get my, like, this is us, let me tell you a story monologue moment. Fantastic. Yes. Greg Berlanti, our director, at the end, we did a couple of takes of it. And he was like, I want you to, like, sort of, you know, feel free to add anything in you want. You know, if you want to improv something, if you want to add like a button or if you want to add whatever. And I was like, OK, what could I possibly add? So then the next time we did the I think after like take two or three at the end of the monologue, right before we're called into the office i looked at nick robinson and i said

these words which were unfortunately cut from the film i said welcome to the sisterhood they cut it they cut that and i said it a million times we did it in a bunch of takes and i and there were other pieces that were cut as well. And I totally also get that it might not have been the right vibe for the, like, whatever. They did, I think they did a great job. I wanted to share it with y'all and with the readers because I feel like it was one of those, like, behind the scenes little tidbits that maybe can make the experience just a little bit more special for any of the true heads you know everyone doesn't need to have a welcome to the sisterhood moment yeah but for my sisters for my community um i tried to shoehorn welcome to the sisterhood in and um i knew y'all

would appreciate that so i want to share that we story. We do. And you know, I actually, like when Love, Simon came out, I think a lot of queer people were being a little hard on it because like it was this very commercial, like very much trying to be a movie about a gay kid for straight people. And I think that that's okay. You know what I mean? Like I would rather see that than the millionth version of, you know, Paper Kites or whatever the

hell it is like whatever like whatever movie that would get that budget like i'm happy there's a love simon you know what i mean like of course like is it extremely white yes like is it extreme is it a very much about someone with a lot of privilege yes it does not strip that none of those things strip it of its value in a way right and i i so i think like um it's it's fucking great that you that you said that am i surprised they cut it no because i think that probably they were trying to juggle things in their head about how the straight audience that was watching it would respond to something like welcome to the sisterhood like because that that line is going to make some

dad and audience say oh so it's what i thought he's a woman now you know what i mean like and it's just like just to walk people through that like i get why they cut it but i also 100 understand and appreciate that you said it that's like and thank you for telling us yeah of course i shared it just for you all these years of waiting to tell you the story. Well, you were so memorable in that movie. Thank you. And we loved it.

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What is it that we do? We do a segment called I Don't Think So, Honey. We take one minute to go off on something in culture. It's really chapping our limbs. Our asses. Our asses and our limbs. All of it. Our asses and our limbs. Or our asses, which are a terminus of our legs.

The legs end and start at the ass. People don't talk about that. But your ass is really just what your legs become you know what i mean like if you're a butt guy i'm putting this in quotes you're really um a leg freak because guess what your legs end where the ass cracks oh rule of culture number nine read a book bitch read a rule of culture number nine number nine your your legs your legs legs and and where your ass cracks read i can't wait to see that one illustrated read a book bitch um now so do you have something um you know i think i do okay oh i think i do i hear some conviction I can't wait to hear this.

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. Girl, I don't think so, honey. American Idol this season.

I turned it on last night because I am very much convalescing. And I think my mother who's sitting right here to my left can agree. There's not one good person on that. Some people were like, Oh, some of the girls are good. And I was watching it. And I'm like, yeah, I get that there's good singing happening, but like, person on that uh some people were like oh some of the girls are good and i was watching and i'm

like yeah i get that there's good singing happening but like where is the star quality on this program i couldn't find it so basically the judges are katie perry luke bryant who just announced today he has covid he's a celebrity in la 30 seconds april 12th 2021 who's contracting covid i don't know how you do that but he did and Lionel Richie and they stand up and applaud for everyone and I'm like girl where is the critique also they have them perform right after they figured out they made it

into the finals and so it's like they're so shaky and freaked out because they just found out they made it and they sound pitchy I don't think so honey if you're going to do American Idol do one more season bring back the original three Simon Paul andandy let's go out with a bang kill it take it out back that's one minute take it out back kill it the voice has surpassed it paula is going to fill in for luke bryan who again i'll say is on april 12 2021 the pandemic, a celebrity in LA who contracted the coronavirus.

I don't know how that happens. Let's not, you know, stigmatize getting the virus in some late or middle stage. I'm just saying he's a very protected citizen. Yes, yes, you're right. That is true. But girl, I mean, american idol is a flop right mom not good damn damn bird not what'd she say she said not good damn damn bird damn bird not good damn bird she's she's threw her catchphrase in there she knows the assignment she understands

the assignment that's good branding that's, she's a great brander. She understands that, to be sure. You know, we just watched the branding challenge of Drag Race. Ooh. A pointless episode. Oh, no, the sodas? The soda pops. Whose soda pop did you think was the best,

mom? You liked Simone's. Simone's was some, and Simone won. Everybody's got a sweet tooth remember that one yeah and uh Rose was good Rose was good my mom loves Rose and I have to say in in re-watching the season I think people you know I think that especially people in New York who know Rose I think who are just used to how good Rose is are being hard on Rosé. I think Rosé could win. Oh, the Gen Zers love her. The Gen Zers love Rosé?

This is what I've heard is that she's getting a lot of like a lot of the, God, on my Discover page on my Instagram is like full of like drag race metrics and analytics. And like I'm seeing a lot of stuff like the top four. Sorry, Clark, this is fully alienating um no I

I mean it's while Gen Z loving something is it makes me nervous it's fascinating it's fascinating well it's just like they love Rosé and like Rosé is overwhelmingly winning like the polling quote unquote not that it matters but like um in the in the end because it's Rue's choice to make of course you gotta win the Rue polling oh my god the way I turned that the way you turned that but Rue sorry Gen Zers love Rosé they love Rosé that's so interesting you think

that they would go for Gottmik they do also love Gottmik but there's a pretty big margin or difference between Rosé and Gottmik I am gonna I've decided just now I'm gonna be real with mine i'm gonna be a little real okay because you know what it is clark just inspired me he shared something that he never he did not share on the press on on the on the press store for love simon he got me to open up in a way

that i would have never opened up to like a professional journalist right and i'm about to open up in a way that i would only tell my sisters all right well you heard it here first we're getting raw and real and it's bowen yang's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey any language around any cast member on snl right now saying blank stole the show blank is carrying the show on their backs no that erases the work of let's say 19 other people on that cast this is the biggest cast the show has ever had it's crazy it's weird to navigate everyone is doing their best everyone is so ungodly talented in ways that no one in the audience can begin to understand internally this is the vibe we are all acknowledging each other's work ethic and humor and different points of view

and sensibilities and it's a beautiful beautiful coexistence and we all appreciate each other and this is a i can't believe this season of television that I have weirdly been a part of coincidentally I'm like how the fuck did we get through this season we're all doing our best and we are all so so fucking funny that it's crazy to me to

even suggest that it's an individual thing and not a collective thing that like me the quality of the show is slightly different than it was in the past or it's goofier i'm sorry i'm totally running the clock at this point but it's like i it really bugs me when it's like bowen bowen yes i'm i'm using myself as an example because i've just been inundated with a little bit too much positive feedback but i'm just like no no no no no no you guys don't get it this is like like every single person on this show right

now is is so fucking good at this that's all it takes a village too that's all and i and i don't mean to like signal anything beyond on a meta level of like i'm what i i truly believe this in my heart i go wow like i i can't believe what goes on at the show. Like, and the heartbreak that goes into like the creative process when things like don't come to term or whatever. I'm just like, y'all like,

it's not as, it's not quite as like it's survivorship by it's just like, you're only seeing the stuff that makes it onto the show. You're not seeing the stuff that didn't make it that like is just as, I don't know. Great funny anyway i think that's just a way that people um that's one mode of people expressing themselves is to sort of like in lifting one thing up put down another thing i mean i i know it happens yes so it's like it but i also think like is what you're saying is true that like you know it feels zero sum it feels like what no just

yeah yeah but but also like at the very heart of that is everyone being very proud of you and excited for you that you've done so well but also you're right it's I appreciate that piece and all the pieces don't get made without like a million people working their fucking ass off on it especially at that show where it's like literally all hands on deck you know what I mean it must feel a little weird to get a feedback that's like

if it wasn't for this person then I wouldn't watch it's just like okay this is crazy it's like it's it's weird. And it's a show that engenders a lot of strong opinions because people have associations with it, whether they're very emotional or whether they're disillusioned by it.

And I totally get the crowd of people out there who are like, SNL sucks and hasn't been funny. I'm just like, yeah, great. But in terms of a form of praise being packaged in like this person is exceptional in this way i'm like there's it's not the exception though the the rule the rule is that the people who are on that show have some reason to be there you know like have some, have proven something by virtue of just being on the show.

Am I, like, out of line? I don't think so. Is that crazy? No. No. And I also think this speaks to what I feel, what I've always felt in terms of, like, receiving feedback, either positive or negative.

It's, like, especially the negative, I feel like we're taught how to deal with. We're taught to ignore the comments. We're taught to, you know, process it in whatever way. But the positive can be even more overwhelming because what do you do with it? And then because if there's so much of it or if it's also in a specific way, like, how do you process that? Is it real? You know, if the bad wasn't real, then how can the good be real? Sure, exactly.

My mind goes on this whole journey as well. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I can imagine. Yeah, and it's also very good to be conscious of ego. You know what I mean? Because it's like, that's really, I think where it gets tripped up is because like, what if you were to believe one day

that you were the only person to make the show run like that's crazy so basically it's just like you know like it's it's it's all and that's another reason it's another it's another argument for getting literally offline and i have to say i deactivated my twitter again today well do you want to know what i did this time so all the other times i got off twitter i deactivated it but i kept the window open for 12 months. This time I did it for 30 days. I'm like, I think this is it. I think this is the last. This is the last leg. Commitment. Yes, commitment.

But I just want to compound what you guys were saying, which is that the oversimplified way that I can think of this now is that you have to examine, question, whatever the positive on the same with the same scrutiny that you would with the negative the best advice i've ever gotten was from one of

the uh producers on the sing-off right towards the end as she was like your career is going to go well you are you are going in a really positive direction i believe believe in you. And she said, the advice that I will give you is they are never, you are never as good or as bad as they say. Yes. Yes. That is how I process all of it because, because yeah, the good can be really overwhelming.

Yeah. And also the other thing too, is like a lot of people, when they say something, they say it in a moment. They're not thinking all the time. You know what I mean? So it's like something i also think that can happen with social media is like you know someone tosses off a mean or positive comment and you think that person's obsessed with

me it's like no they said it in a second it's a fleeting thought that like is and it is now like sort of written in ink mark zuckerberg um but yeah anyway um social network quote anyway oh my god i already i i i i got a little volney i got i got real because that's fine and we love that i anyway so um but it's because clark is here it's because clark is here clark opens the floodgates of of of vol it's the clark effect it's because Clark is here. It's because Clark is here. Clark opens the floodgates of Vong. It's the Clark effect. It's the Clark effect. And right now, we're going to actually experience the Clark effect in rare form as Clark endeavors to complete an I Don't Think So Honey. Clark, the moment is here.

Are you ready for it, Taylor Swift? Definitely not, but I will give it a good I'll give it an old college try a little Dartmouth try now wait before we get this did you at Dartmouth doing acapella ever experience the NYU and harmonics out in the wild of course yeah um

Ali Stroker oh wow we're now represented by the same manager Rachel Saltzman shout out um shout out to saltz they did a they did a cover of billy ray was a preacher son when a death yeah yeah come along it's an incredible cover of it's so good yeah it's on youtube it's worth it's worth digging into this was the riff okay go being good is it always easy no matter how hard i try it's a stunning i used to love them i used to love i designed i designed their first like album it's a terrible design

i remember that terrible design i did a terrible job i still think to this day about how i did not do them justice because i'm sure they loved it that's why they used it i also like i wanted to audition for them so bad but was busy with hammer cats and wasn't like confident enough to go they were way better than we were they were like they were like legit legit legit yeah our our charm and our shtick was the sort of like good old boy you know like mediocre sounding white guy vibe that was like where we live that was the dartmouth acapella vibe got it yeah deeply whereas nyu and harms their thing their thing i'm not kidding you was they riff down they look hot and they do drugs that was literally their thing and they can drag me for that but that was your thing

and I don't care that was the thing it was like scary they were like a scary hot acapella group anyway but it's time Clark Moore your I don't think so honey

begins now I don't think so honey headaches okay you really are that bitch you come into my brainscape when i least expect you you thoroughly ruin my life you take away my vision my productivity my joie de vivre speak on it my personality and my general will to live oh as the kids say you are living rent-free in my brain and it's time for you to get 30 seconds evicted oh there are no squatters rights in my prefrontal cortex and honey you are way past due and girl you always come up with excuses. You try to blame your existence on anything you can. My dehydration, my insomnia,

the barometric pressure of Venice. Bitch, it's time you start taking accountability, okay? Learn. My cerebellum is closed to you. Headaches. I don't think so, honey. You are not welcome here. Wow. That's one minute. That's, honey. You are not welcome here. Wow.

That's one minute. You know, as someone who's been dealing with a lot of Tylenol extra strength recently, I am with you, sister. Headaches just, you're right. Headaches come in and they're like, they're that neighbor that pops by that's like, no reason. Just wanted to, it's like, there's no reason that they should be there. It's like

Agatha all along it's Agnes coming in as just checking in on Wanda without the reveal without the fun reveal without the fun reveal of Catherine Han the reveal the reason is actually also chaos magic that's why we get headaches

yeah yeah amongst my least favorite things in the world I would say headaches, canker sores um coughing fits common colds these are things that just don't want to tooth hurts darling these are things that don't need to happen but often do um what is what is your pain reliever of choice um i have some i have some holistic remedies and i have and of course you know ibuprofen i i try to stay away from it though because excuse me i don't like to take a leave a lot a leave though i used to take advil apparently a leave has a longer half life so it lasts longer but when you were pre-med you know just half half-life means? Oh, yeah. I know exactly what that means. Does it mean it's more shelf-stable?

Talking about it, it's like a jam. When it's releasing the... I think it just lasts longer in you. Got it. So the headache, the medicine works longer. You know what's interesting? I have to be on Tylenol right now because they say that all the other pain

relievers, ibuprofen, Advil, et cetera, they're all, they thin your blood. Blood thinners. Yeah. So I didn't know that. One of the holistic things that actually does work for me is peppermint oil. And it always has worked for me both because I think it opens up some pathways. I usually get sinus headaches in the front. And so the peppermint oil, I put it on my upper lip, on my temples.

And then I put it in between my, how does one describe this? In between the thumb and first index finger. Because this is a pressure point. We call that the smash mouth, the L on her forehead. We call that, yes. Put it in the smash mouth. Yes. her forehead we call that put it in the smash mouth yes um there's a pressure point there um and I also have this little thing that like squeezes it's it clips

onto my smash mouth and it squeezes the pressure point and that helps with the headache as well look at that he's healing the. I'm giving you practical advice. Private practice, a holistic practice in Venice, in Santa Monica, near Santa Monica. With no accreditation, so please don't sue me.

Listen, I think we are not going to sue. We're not going to sue. We've kept Clark over time. I rudely had to push this whole thing back once and do it again mere minutes before. We're going to let Clark go. But this was healing. This was so fun.

Thank you for having me. I love y'all so much. Thank you for being on my show. I'm so glad that we've closed out the loop here. Yes, yes. And you both have brought such a validation to the pod. I was going to say validation. I was going to say that too.

I'm not even kidding. I think people take it more seriously now. And your two episodes are. No way. It's all you. It's all you, baby. They're the most listened to episodes of all.

And, um, that is probably for a reason. So thank you guys. And, and especially Bowenen thank you for doing it before it even existed you know it could have been literally anything and you jumped in in those early days so thank you it was my well we are great fans and great admirers and great friends

yes welcome to the sisterhood everyone listen to soul bomb yes you gotta listen to soul bomb and just listen to and watch everything that Clark does I mean come on Bowen we are going to we're going to bravely still finish with a song and I think you know what it is I think you know what it is

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