Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "The Zombies Ensue" (w/ Peppermint)

Episode Date: October 7, 2020

Clown parade...clown BRIGADE! Are we talking about the doctors tumbling out of Walter Reed to kinda sorta update us on Trump's Covid progress or the fools on this episode?! We're talking about the doctors. BUT! We do have a fun motherfucking episode with the legendary PEPPERMINT! Pep joins Matt and Bowen to chat about her new EP A Girl Like Me: Letters to my Lovers, out October 16th, and her new single "Best Sex" which is available now. The three get into it about fuckboy culture and navigating dating and sex apps as a trans woman. It gets saucy! Also, Peppermint's culture that made her say culture was for her? Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (the original!) and Janet Jackson's incredible and powerful Janet album. All this AND, horror buff Pep lists her top three favorite horror movies, a discussion on celebrity fandom names, wikipedia drama and I Don't Think So Honeys that will have you saying "YES!" See you next week for "The Meaning of Mariah Carey Book Club"! Read up, readers!!! Xo Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Oh, and look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness.

Wow. Las Culturistas. Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Ooh. I want to share a phrase that my sister has generated as he normally does. Share my phrase, spread my teachings, my dear, darling dear. Darling dear, it is one of those phrases that you don't know what it is about it, but it really, really hits you.

Speaking for myself. I hear, I know what you're going to say. We were talking on one of our little group chats, our GCs, and then we're talking about how this Sean Conley guy, this doctor is a fool. And how all these doctors who are somehow 32 years old who are pretending to the president are like 32 year old men and i'm sorry if i'm erasing any women uh or or or non-binary people who are on that stuff thank you for apologizing thank you i just i don't care to really like pay attention to who is treating him but i brought up how silly they are and then my friend matt rogers said clown parade clown brigade clown parade clown brigade when i look at everyone stomping out of that walter reed hospital with their little prompts in hand doing the work of dr doom himself i say clown parade clown brigade i don't trust

anyone that comes out of there and says a goddamn thing. And how come they're trying to like convince us all of a sudden that this is the way that this disease works? It's not the way that this virus works, where it's just like, he's better and going home. That is not how it fucking works. And I really hope that no one is successfully gaslit by this, because to be honest with you,

the whole thing is fucking crazy. I'm almost hesitant to even comment on it because it could change at any second. It's changing very quickly. I don't care to comment on it either. I just want to comment. I just want to provide context for Clown Parade, Clown Brigade. For Clown Parade, Clown Brigade

which is so funny because you texted the words Clown Parade, Clown Brigade and I laughed and then you sent a voice message and the reading of it is so excellent here well i'm sorry i'm sorry wait can i can i actually pull up the original audio oh my god you love it so much you're exciting i love it so much it's so it's it had me in tears okay here we go here we go ready clown parade clown brigade well that is how it's said for anyone at home that wants to sort of refer to a bunch of people as a clown clown parade clown brigade that's how you do it we

should just say let's get a little parade it's it's it's so funny because you're saying it's redundant you're saying this clown parade basically means clown brigade but you're being so emphatic about i feel a brigade is sort of a more intentional version of a parade you know what i mean like a brigade is pretty intentional a parade is it takes a lot of organizing a parade is a lot of like not to knock anyone and call any parade organizers out there unintentional i'd hate to organizers out there unintentional. I hate to call the girls unintentional. But what I'm saying is, let's just give a little context.

So while we've been gone, y'all, the president has gotten COVID, which is so insane. It would be the easiest thing in the world for the president and his handlers to protect him and the people around him from COVID-19. But as we know, they're the most careless people in the world. We thought just about all of America, apparently about themselves as well. And now a whole fleet of them have the coronavirus. So that's what's happening. And he went to the hospital, reports where he was not doing well. Now the doctors have come out and said, actually, he is doing well. He wasn't doing well. We lied to you about that. But now we're saying he is doing well.

And believe us now, I guess, because. And let's have him stand outside the White House. I mean, this is just literally minutes ago. Stand outside the White House. Yeah. Jaundiced looking, gasping for he can barely breathe. He took his mask off. Like, what a fucking idiot.

Yeah. At time of recording, he has stood outside of the White House after getting back from Walter Reed and he's like waving to his adoring public and he's really looks like he can't breathe. And, you know. Matt and I,

I would say that you and I keep a pretty like untainted discourse on the pot. We don't really bring him up explicitly that much because we're not like, you know, we're not like that Cheeto gaze. And also, you know how you know where we stand. So it's of course, but like this is truly like beyond the pale. It's why anyway, but

I look we're off we're off the rails already, but I just wanted to again provide context to bring light to clown parade. Well, I just want to say something. The reason why it's such a clownown Parade, Clown Brigade is because what it does is it takes focus away from what's important this week.

Okay? So it takes place away. And right now I'm holding up the meaning of Mariah Carey, which is the highly anticipated book by the one true queen, Mariah. And it's taken a lot of focus away from my girl's big week. And I have to say that she seems happier than ever. She seems very satisfied with the way the book

has come out and the way it's being received. And she should. I am well into the audio book right now, which I'm reading, which I'm listening to rather, while I'm reading it, which gives an amazing sort of full immersion. You're studying abroad in Mariah land. Let me tell you, I'm spending the fall studying Mariah.

And we can say that next week we are going to have a culture catch up. And this culture catch up is going to be a little bit different. We are having the meaning of Mariah Carey book club. So everyone out there who has not yet picked up the book or who has picked up the book but is sort of leisurely reading it understand next week we're going to be doing a close read a discussion on the book and so tune in for that and i'm telling you stream the rarities and stream the rarities which is great i mean it's so fantastic and also what i'm having so much fun doing and we'll talk about this more next week but it it's, it's truly, I mean,

her life is harrowing. It's about her. Your early years are truly, truly crazy. The marriage to Tommy Mottola is something no one could ever understand. And so like, so please read the book. And then right now I'm on the glitter chapters,

which are something else. And I'm also, as I'm reading the book, I'm sort of revisiting the music and God, I have to say Mariah Carey is the culture that made me say culture was for me. I mean, that is so true. Yes, because it was the first time I ever really remember connecting with someone in the music. And I honestly, to hear her tell the specific stories behind a lot of these songs. And she sings in the audio book. She sings throughout the audio book. And she is. And she sings in the audio book.

She sings, she sings throughout the audio book and she is an excellent readings of the audio book. Oh, she's so funny. She it's so in her voice and you know, it's just, I can't say enough.

So if you haven't gotten the book, get the damn book and join us next week for the culture catch up. That is the meaning of Mariah Carey book club, which I'm so excited for. So excited for, you know, who, you Club, which I'm so excited for. So excited for. You know who else I'm excited for? Our guest. Our guest.

Who's, by the way, sort of giving the week it's due right now because I'll tell you exactly what she did when she came on the Zoom. And wait, and she did it again. On the visual. I think you can sort of hear the wind blowing. It's because our guest is sort of, you know,

taking a cue from Mariah and having the wind blow her locks around. And it is truly stunning. I've, I think the most beautiful person that's appeared in a zoom with, with us. And we've had some stunners. She takes this superlative fortunately, and we celebrate that most likely to show up beat for the zoom beat for the

zoom. And, you know, she's, she's giving people the visual and she's, she's, she we celebrate that. Most likely to show up beat for the Zoom. Beat for the Zoom. And, you know, she's giving people the visual and she's on Twitch talking movies with all your favorite people. So check out her Twitch streams on the regular. Pep Talks with our guest. With our guest. God, she's just a legend.

She's just huge. She's a legend. Musician, New York City nightlife icon, drag legend and runner up on RuPaul's Drag Race season nine. Incredible, incredible contestant on that, as well as being just an incredible performer, musician, icon, you know, truly a trailblazer here. First openly trans woman to ever originate a lead role on Broadway,

which was Head Over Heels. And, you know, we're actually catching her in quite the whirlwind week because the new single is out. The new single is called Best Sex. And we are into the new single. And of course, you know, usually when you release a single, there's usually a larger body of work coming out. And that is no different in this situation.

We have A Girl Like Me, Letters to My Lovers coming out and that is no different in this situation we have a girl like me letters to my lovers coming out this month october 16th 2020 mama i have to ask so many questions about this because not only is best sex on it but she's got a cover of will you still love me tomorrow i need to talk about this because i read this in her quarantine diaries when she was shooting the visual it's a visual album hell yes so. So Girl Like Me is going to be, it's visual. So she talks a little bit about Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow. I mean, what an iconic song. We need to talk to her about this.

Anything else to add, Matt? I mean, this is a long time coming. This is a long time coming. And I think that we are honored, privileged, and so g'day, not just g'day, we are g'day. g'day not just giddy we are g'day to have our fucking guest welcome her into your ears the magnificent Peppermint!

Ah! Ah! That's my energy. Joyful noise. Honestly all I wanted to do was scream. How are you? I am fabulous. Thank you, Matt and Bowen. I'm so happy to be here.

You're right, it's been a long time coming. I'd say like more than a year we have been trying to make this menage happen. And the menage is menaging after all. After all. We have to congratulate Miss Nikki on the newborn. Oh, yes, baby. There's a little petty

in the world. She has a son, finally. All these bitches is my sons, but she has a real one. She actually has one. This bitch is literally her son. It's actually real culture number 19.

This bitch is literally her son. Do you identify as a Barb Peppermint? No. Wait, I'm sorry. I know I should know what that means. Oh, Barb is like what Nicki calls her fans. Are you a Nicki Minaj fan?

Definitely not. But I'm... No, I'm not anyone's nickname fan. I can't. I'm in a different. Now, do I know all the words to her music? Yes, but I don't read what she says to call her fans a bar. And so.

But you enjoy her music. You're a fan. Oh, I definitely enjoy her music. Okay. And this is actually a really important distinction that Peppermint is giving us because being a fan of somebody does not necessarily mean you, I mean, there is a fine line between fanning and stanning and being part of the culture. I really enjoy her music. I enjoy her. What I enjoy equally or maybe more is her contribution to hip hop and rap and where it traveled to,

uh, in the early two thousands to now, I see her as a very valuable sort of brick in the hip hop wall. I wouldn't say that I would call myself a bar. It's really, it's really difficult for me because I actually identify as both a barb and a lamb. Um, so it. Now it's hard

to be a hardcore fan of Nikki and Mariah because we unfortunately have... Because of American Idol? There's some tension. There's some tension. You're gonna let American Idol? Girl, obviously not. I still identify as being

in both camps. But I'm just saying, it's hard when your girls won't even speak of each other in interviews it's true I also love JLo and Mariah whenever she's asked about JLo famously says four words I don't know her well the thing is the up out my face video was like the one moment that we will always have of Mariah and that's true sort Nikki sort of having fun together on camera. There's a certain degree of that that can be faked, but they genuinely...

I watched it the other day. I was like, I haven't seen this video in so long, and they're both having a blast. And there was a moment there. It's like Wicked, where they were really genuinely like friends. You know? But anyway. But you know that they took, they took Nicki Minaj's verse off of,

about my face. When you stream, when you stream that album, that, that Mariah album. Yeah. It's not on memoirs of an imperfect angel. Well,

the song is, but the Nicki verse is not. The Nicki feature is gone. I think that Mariah felt burned by that because she actually was like, here's the thing about Mariah. And you find this out in the book or do you love mariah obviously you love mariah of course i do yeah so you find out in the book that she is number one with having her finger on the pulse like she was like that girl in the early 90s that was singing these big ballads but knew deep in her soul she was like hip-hop is going to become

mainstream i'm telling you i'm telling you yeah and she was like the the first to she was trying to tell tommy mottola that and he just didn't understand hip-hop at all and like told her she was stupid and like was obviously low-key pretty racist um because he's like older white man in the music industry invented the hip-hop feature on on the R&B song, on like their songstress. She for sure revolutionized that. But, you know, it's the Nicki Mariah of it all is interesting because Mariah brought Nicki onto that track. That was pretty early on in the Nicki of it all.

And she was like, and she even said in an interview later during American Idol, she's like, you know, it's actually funny because it's funny I have all this beef with her or it's sad that I have all this beef with her because i actually know she's really gifted that's why i had her on my song in the first place that's why all this sucks yeah she probably thought she was in the clear because at that moment in time nikki was beefing with kim yeah and that's right you know yeah she thought first surely we can't have more than one beef going in one time. I mean,

the amount of energy it takes. Watch her spin the plates. Watch her spin these plates. Okay. I want to talk about a different recording artist. I want to talk about a different recording artist. I want to talk about Peppermint. We love the single best sex. Yes.

And the lyric video is very sexy, sensual. And if you like really do a close reading of the lyrics, it's like very vulnerable and very real authentic thank you yeah it's like my life you know um i had i mean look long story short i was in a really um intense relationship yes uh that uh a relationship with a popping p at the end not a relationship a relationship he was popping let me tell you because oh my god because i we met in the at least for me in the most unlikely of places

to meet a partner that we were going to be with long term that i was going to be long term we met online you know in a hookup app and i was like you know let me i was living in san francisco and i was all by my lonesome i was preparing for head over heels on broadway and we uh we did this out of town run there and i didn't know anybody and so i was like let me get on this damn app see who i can get to come over and show me a little company tonight. And he, and he was giving me all kinds of excuses. He was running late. He was late because he was getting a raccoon from him for his neighbor out

of the yard or some craziness. Yeah, but that's hot. I got to say, Amanda can get a raccoon out the neighbor for, come on. I don't believe, I mean,

I'm from New York, obviously. So I'm like, honey, there's no rat. Where's the raccoon? A rat? I believe it. A raccoon. I'm like, honey, there's no rat. Where's the raccoon? A rat? I believe it.

A raccoon? Nobody, there's no, there's no rat. He shot for the moon there with the raccoon. Yeah. And so anyway, he came over and it was like the best hookup ever. And then we were, we got into a relationship and everything. And then he broke my heart. But it started with that hookup and um

best sex is actually not about him it's about all the other fuck boys yes find their way into your boudoir yes but is best sex about is best sex inspired by this one lover who was giving you the best sex but also kind of jerking you around emotionally. Just those two ideas sort of intersecting. No, it's a composite. It's a composite character. It's representing all the fuck boys of the world.

Honestly, it's so crazy. Yeah. I'm listening to the song and I'm like, yeah, the shit that I've let people get away with because they were they knew exactly what to do to and with my body. It's really shocking. And the fact of the matter is, I will do it again.

In fact, like, yeah, you know, recently I've had conversations. Yeah, right. Exactly. We're all doing it during the quarantine. You got to do what you got to do. And also it's like, you know, a lot of us are missing that that goodness. OK, this is what I want to ask you, Peppermint. It feels like we all take, at least maybe this is just me saying that I might have taken for granted in the past how writing like a sensual song about, like that's very vulnerable in this way, about sex is very difficult.

It's like you kind of have to, like, it has to be sourced from something true, and it's like, oh, and like, you have to, like, sort of cross all these, like, pass through all these filters in your mind to be like, yeah, I'm gonna, like, put pen to paper and, like, write about, like, me at my most literal

naked self, like, boring self. Or not boring, sorry, not boring, I don't know why I said boring, vulnerable self. I don't know why I said boring. self I don't know why I said boring oh my god boring how great are you have we slept together yeah I know

have we slept together Bowen's Bowen's obviously unfortunately sadly projecting I hope not I'm I know

I don't know why I said boring I don't know why I said boring I meant to say vulnerable they might sound the same phonetically no no they don't, they don't. No, they don't. It's all good.

But I was thinking about this. I was after, like after listening to Best Sex, I was like, it's so hard to write on like a writer level. Yeah. You know,

I mean, I wanted to do what I tried to do is do something that would be obviously sexy and that's not that hard to like achieve that bar

but then also for you I wanted it to be a little funny yeah that's it's funny to me I wanted there to be a little bit of like

chuckle in it right yes but I really wanted it to be I didn't want it to be like oh you so hot daddy and that's it

like I'm done with that like let's talk about all your flaws and the song is really a read yep you know what i mean yeah and that's what i wanted it to be um because all this stuff is true like all this stuff that i that we've all been through um and i think it's definitely in terms of how it fits into the rest of the album yes i met my ex who the rest of the album. Yes, I met my ex, who most of this album is about, online on a hookup app. On a hookup, it was a jump off.

But even beyond that, it's, these are, all of the songs in this are things that a lot of other trans women go through. And we don't have the opportunity, really. I can't find anything else in pop culture that really, in terms of music, that really shows and talks about a trans woman's experience.

And so I wanted, this is all the stuff that me and my girlfriends cackle about all the time. Yeah. The line in the song, you don't want to be seen with me. That must be something that gets, that unfortunately is dealt with a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, unfortunately, it's probably the rule, not the exception, at least in my experience. And a lot of the girls I've talked to.

And I also wanted to talk about, I mean, the most difficult line in the whole song to do. And we fought. Me and my co-writer, Adam Joseph, were like, should we do it? Can we do this? We can't do this. No. Was, you don't know your status. Status, yeah.

And then you asked me if I'm clean. Yeah. Yeah. And then we decided to obviously put it in there because it's real and it happens. And a lot of the guys, I mean, I can't speak for everybody queer, but I think everybody in the LGBTQIA+, probably, or at least many people, have probably had some interaction with people who've been, quote, closeted or not out. Right. But I think that toxic behavior is really prevalent for the girls, for the trans girls, because of the way our culture is.

And so, you know, these guys will come around for the goodies, but they are not involved in like all the other stuff that happens in queer life. And that's then it end. It's dangerous for us. Yeah. I also think like there that that line to me, I was really happy that you put that in there, too. And that was really the one that made me like I was like, oh, wow, this this is like it's like a sexy, fun and funny song. But like it's exploring something really real, because I also think amongst like just gay men, there's like an assumption where it's like, oh, I'm fine. I'm clean. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. But when they're interacting sexually with a trans person, there's that little microaggression where it's like, well, make sure that they're clean and make sure that this is going on. Which is also like, it's just semantics.

It's transphobic. Well, but just even just saying clean is just like, right. Not even. But it's the language they use. Yeah. Right. like, Right. Not even. Exactly, yeah. But it's the language they use, yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. But that,

but that interaction is so interesting in that line, in that lyric, where it's like, I, it's like the, the onus and the responsibility is completely on me. Yeah.

For both of us. Yes. I have to be the one who's getting my health taken care of and getting tested. And as long as you know my status, then you don't have to worry. That's generally what it is. And, you know, there have been lots of guys who've asked me, you know, that question they asked me. And, you know, which is good. I'm happy to talk about it. But then they won't even know the answer if I turn around and ask them, well, when did you get tested or have you been tested or whatever? And yeah. The terms of the question are flawed and fucked up on their end.

Right. And it's like, yeah, I don't purport clean. I don't I don't I don't use the word. Are you clean when talking about STIs and getting tested? Of course. But that's the question that they ask. Yes. You're quoting them. It's to

quote, but it's like, it also implies something illicit about having sex with trans women. It's dirty. Yeah. Right, but as if they're not engaging in that themselves. Yeah, exactly. It's like there's so many fucked up layers there

and anyway, it's just such a clean, quick, efficient comment. And I love that lyric. Yes. The lyrics are great, and I also, another one was like, when you were like, I never know when you're gonna roll through, I was like, see, that would fucking piss me off. You know, I recently...

In fact, I recently... You got a plan. I recently had an interaction... Hello! Yeah. Go, go, go, go. I recently had an interaction on Grindr that ended with okay, I'll come over. And this is after a lot of discussion about like having COVID tested, whatever,

this is like a couple day thing. And so then at the end of it, he's like I'll be over in 20 minutes. Oh, the famous He says 20 minutes. It's a little bit after one in the morning and i'm like all right cool and so 120 yeah 130 and mind you mind you mind you he's six 600 feet away so i happened to luck

out i was like oh hot guy i'm interested in is 600 feet away says 20 minutes it's one o'clock it's this is what it is bing bang boom like this actually was i'll be honest with you it was the night that we found out that trump was sick i was like i gotta celebrate here we go were you already prepared i don't know your situation but do you did you need to prepare he was taking the 20 minutes to prepare okay sounds good so so yeah you got so um but which i'm happy to provide for. I was like, take your time. I even said, take your time. Yeah, I love that. That's my favorite.

So 40 minutes later, 40 minutes later, he says, okay, I'm going to leave now. And I was like, okay, all right. And then so another 45 minutes goes by and he goes, he goes, is your apartment hard to get into? Now, mind you, it's well after two. And I thought this is, I thought we would be done by then, to be honest with you. Exactly. Because not for nothing, but I was ready over an hour ago. Eventually, I just said, you know what?

You said 20 minutes. It's been an hour and 15. I'm done. And I blocked the person. He edged you. No, because I don't... You know what took him so long? You know why he took so long? Why? He didn't have manscaped products like the ball toner and the ball revolver.

You bitch! No, it's one of our sponsors. He's doing our ads. Gee, really? Gee, really?

He's not speaking an ad copy. Something that might, that might be sort of telling on myself because I feel like haven't we, haven't we been

on the other side of these interactions? Well, apparently you have, bitch, because you started this thought. And I caught myself, as I was about to ask, but I was like, I might as well ask it and sort of have the asterisk there that it's like, well, maybe I'm

alone. Because I feel like I've disengaged emotionally enough times with certain people now where I'm like, okay, I'm not interested. I'll be real. have because see but it's not my fault no no let me tell you what it's never my fault i because of the fuck boys that i talk to i'll okay this is this is this is this is a lot let's go give it come on on. You got to line up. Sometimes you have to line up more than one. If you are the one who takes the time to prepare. Right.

That's right. Which is why your encounter, Matt, I'm like, what? But if I take the time to prepare and I make a decision about who I'm going to connect with, I'm going to that person's house and I'm going to be down to the clock. I know how long it takes to prepare anyway if i'm going to prepare i have been flaked on by other folks okay whatever the tops i've been flaked on by them folks all the time and they're just going from flower to flower to flower i know apparently and so i have been flaked on and so sometimes you have to be like well bitch if i'm gonna spend all this time getting ready then then somebody's coming then i'm getting this together tonight please the shit that i've done just because i was ready

what you'll what you'll do to yourself just because you prepared yeah been there wow and so then every once in a while the flake will be two hours like you'd be like why honey he lost his time and so you get the next one and then the next and then the first one's like i'm here that's happening wow oh no that's very good actually like wait when when you're like in the when you're in the midst of interaction someone else is at the door yeah well like it's telling you online telling you oh i'm here or i'm on the way or whatever you know and you're like oh my god oh now and so i have disengaged at that at in those situations but that person was two hours late. Forget that.

I just don't understand. What is with people on Grindr who are like... Or any app. Let's broaden it to every app. And let's just say this. I'm not coming for the app Grindr. I have friends that work there. I'm not coming for the app. I'm coming for the behavior

of the people. So do you, bitch. Patrick works there. I'm not coming for the app. I'm coming for the behavior of the people. So do you, bitch. Patrick works there. Okay, I got a list of people that need to be blocked. I know, honestly. So this is a sidebar, but I was in New York for a little bit recently and I went on the app

and I think someone thought I was catfishing as me, but it was me. So I got taken off of there for terms of service. And I had my friend Patrick reinstate it. But also, it was just weird. So it's weird the way people can just report you and do anything. And then you're gone. And it was like, you can't do it at all.

Thank God I knew someone there. And then you got to send them a photo with a piece of paper that says, Matt Rogers. Yeah, this is me. Is that what you can do to get your account back? I don't even know. It's happened to Bowen, yeah. It's happened to me, yeah.

People are like, that's on him. But what was I going to say? Anyway, I'm saying it's not just people on Grindr. It's everyone. But what's with people like texting so sparsely it's like like on the app it's like you'll people will say one thing and then there's like nothing i just feel like no one's talkative on the app there's no like radical communication so all of a sudden when they're there two hours later it's like why didn't you tell me you were on your way like when i'm texting someone i'm

going for coffee i'm on my way yeah i'm leaving. I'm in the car. I do all that. That's communication. You're right. Well, that's obviously because they're talking to 25 people at once and they can't keep their... Yeah, you're right. Dick in their pants. I think they want to seem sexy, too.

They want to seem cool and sexy or they don't want to do too much. And so it's very sparse communications. That really angers me because i have been in a situation where i've had lined up a range number one who kind of seemingly flaked then a range number two who did flake and then number one comes through all late and then i'm like now I'm just angry and I'm like I'm like not into it and I've had myself in encounters before where I'm like I just

wish you would leave like I don't say that out loud necessarily but that's what I'm looking at you like and it's not good why am I doing this I should just say it because even when you just said it just now, I was like, oh, that's perfect.

And that's like the only way you can communicate that is, I mean, we should all do it from now and just be like, I think you should go. You should go. You're late. I feel disrespected. And here I am. And then it's like, they're like,

then they're the most talkative, like hookup or they're like demanding or like there's a kink that comes into play that wasn't what we were like arranging or talking about or agreeing to. Was not on the table prior. Yeah. No, darling. No. And the thing too is like, what's so funny about this too is like, we feel like we can't be like, okay, now leave just like straight up. But we've literally invited them over to like eat our ass.

You know what I mean? It's like the decorum is like, it's like, come over, let's be filthy. Let's have penetrative anal sex. And now afterwards, I'm like a little shy about asking you to get the fuck out of here. It's so insane. Everyone's so bashful after the fact.

The community is spun out. I want to ask something. There's an icky layer to it, but I think the three of us can all contribute something. We'll see. How much, because you're talking about kinks, how much fame kink is layered in there for you at this point? You know what? It's only half. Okay half okay first of all let me tell you this um that's it okay um there is a thing

i mean it's it's probably the same as any other kind of fetish star fucker kind of yeah yeah same thing um but there is uh something that i learned uh about a year after being on drag race uh and they're called um race they're called race chasers which is the name of uh alaska and willem yeah yeah yeah but um that's what they're called. And so I was like, what are you talking about? And I thought I was completely protected because most of the men who are interested in me or girls like me identify as hetero and are not necessarily drag race fans

to the point where they would be looking for drag race people. Yes, exactly. You know, and recognize us, you know, like online or on Tinder or Grindr or whatever. And so I thought the girls would always be talking about, oh, he came over, he was so hot. And then he, you know, was trying to get an autograph and all of this stuff. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh, God. Yeah. And, and, um,

and I was like, Oh God. Yeah. I can't believe it. And then, so I was like, Oh, thank gosh. The,

like the guys who are into me are, are like actually into women all the time. Yeah. Um, and so one day I was, I was like in the mood and I was like, let me get online. And,

uh, I was near drag let me get online. And I was near DragCon LA, near the convention center. And so I signed on and there was somebody not that far and we were talking and yada, yada, yada. And he was, it was all lining up. I was like, okay, this is gonna be good. Okay, where was this? Outside the Grammys Museum?

Where was this? It was near- By Sta was this? It was near... By Staples Center? It was by Staples Center. Exactly. It was by Staples Center. And so I was staying, I don't know where I was staying,

downtown, I don't know. Okay, so it's getting lined up. It's all happening. It's getting lined up. It's all happening. Everything's lovely. Pictures are looking good. I don't remember if I sent,

if I send this really sexy picture I won't send a face picture like I usually send one or the other first and so I don't I think I didn't send my face picture I don't remember what I sent I sent something

but it was all coming through and I was like this is great and then he starts asking questions that are unusual and i was like this is great and then he starts asking questions that are unusual and he's like so how long you in town for and i was like i don't remember saying i was i was like oh over the weekend and he's like oh um what are you in town for and i i i usually keep questions like that in general and i was like a. That's all you need to know. What's that have to do with anything?

And then he was like, were you mad Sasha beat you? Yeah, precisely. Then he was like, well, what booth are you at? Or something he had something so specific. And then he's like, peppermint. Peppermint. And I was like oh god and so obviously I was like oh no I just got

a stomachache I gotta go you know like I didn't invite him over and that was a very close call cause yeah it just yeah so it hasn't happened thank goodness most of the guys who I've hooked up with or even dated Because, yeah, it just, yeah. So it hasn't happened. Thank goodness.

Most of the guys who I've hooked up with or even dated had no idea who I am. Yeah. That's so interesting. That's incredibly interesting. I want to ask, what difference would it make if post-coitus, the guy's like, by the way, huge fan. Like, you know, like, does that... Okay, I'll be honest. Does it take all the sex out of it for you? Okay, go.

It did happen once with a Frenchman. Boy, is he French? He lives in Paris. I'm filling his tea, honey. I don't give a shit. But I still like him. We're still friends. His name is Max, and he lives in Paris.

That's all I'll say. Oh, my God, you're... Okay, great. Bonjour. Bonjour. Bonsoir. Whatever. We did.

We hooked up and then we were laying down and having our little pillow talk and he knew who I was. I don't remember exactly what he said. I don't remember the damning phrase that I was like, huh? Yeah. But he did.

And he knew who I was. And I was like, what in the? I was like, how did this even happen? You don't seem like. I was like, are you gay? I don't know. And not that only gay guys. Lots of straight folks watch drag race especially especially like

honestly like your season on I feel like was your season was like the one where it became like quote-unquote major yeah yeah yeah and so and so that was interesting and and he's the only I can't say the only person but he's one of the only people yes that I've hooked up with that I'm still in contact with that I would hook up with again, who also follows me on social media. And we communicate on social media and like on Tinder and all the, you know. That's lovely. And I'm like, okay. And my ex-boyfriend, my ex-boyfriend who, I don't know if he follows me now because I don't know what he's doing. Does San Francisco?

San Francisco. He didn't know who I was me now because I don't know what he's doing. Is this San Francisco? San Francisco. Uh-huh. He didn't know who I was. He had heard of Drag Race and I told him I was like, you know what? The conversation

and the sex was so good. It was honestly up to that point the best hookup I had ever had, ever. Not just the sex but the whole

like pillow talk, the cuddling. He was like, it was just adorable and i was like whoa what is going on here it was clearly the beginning of a relationship already and so i was like let me just be honest because usually i'm like i'm a dj i work in bars and i travel for a living and that's all you need to know right um and he i was like you know what look i do drag my name's peppermint i'm get i'm here rehearsing for a broadway show and yada yada and he was like, you know what? Look, I do drag. My name's Peppermint. I'm here rehearsing for a Broadway show.

And yada, yada. And he was like, what? And then he looked. The next day, he left. And then he had looked me up on Wikipedia. And was like, oh, my God. But it hadn't fazed him, you know. And so that was nice.

That was like transparency, though, for the sake of like. It was. And it's deserving. It's going to be difficult for me to have a relationship, I think, without being transparent from the beginning. It is difficult because it really does... You understand. If you meet somebody who you know doesn't know you, and in the first few minutes, you tell them exactly where you are and who you are. And for me, being a drag race queen is really unusual type of notoriety or recognition

because in the pre-COVID world, it automatically gave them access to my social media, which had my travel calendar attached, which meant this is where I'll be on this night. This is where I live. This is where I am, you know, and they can access us in a way that you can't access Beyonce.

You know what I mean? Right, exactly. Of course. Bowen, is that intense for you? Well, for me, it's like the barrier of entry is like pretty high for me anywhere i'm just like i don't want to like like i gotta like pick them pretty carefully in the first place and then it's like and then it's just like um i find out like generally in the meeting whether or not whether or not it's like oh hey i know you

and i'm like okay great but then like at that point i'm already like i don't know if it's bad make it too late right but at that point it's like well i've already you already like passed the mustard test or drill or whatever for me right right now it's like it's fine yeah um but i don't know i don't know sometimes honestly and this is the fucked up thing that I'll admit, sometimes it's like, sometimes it makes me feel good. Sometimes I'm like, cool, you know my deal. I don't have to tell you anything. I don't have to like think of the wording of, oh yeah, I work in TV.

Like, you know, even that has like a weird like ring to it. So I don't know sometimes it is just kind of convenient that person will just like know it all i feel like if someone were to say they knew who i was it would be a wrap because for me it's like then what you're gonna do is tell people about well yeah yeah yeah interaction and i feel feel like what's never happened to me will be hard. Because usually with me, if people know who I am on an app, they usually are just like, love the pot. Or someone did ask me to show them my hot dog recently,

which was one way to say it. I host a show on HBO Max called Hot Dog Peppermint. So that's why they said that. But I was like, LOL. one way to say it i host the show i host the show on hbl max called hot dog peppermint um so so that's why they said that um but i was like lol but i feel like it's it's weirdly a thing that's like oh i don't know now if you're actually doing this because you want to come over and fuck me i'm now this could be a thing where it's like, you want to go tell X, Y, Z that you fucked someone who was whose podcast, you know, or something like that. The telltale sign is if they ask for a selfie right after you had sex. Oh, God, that's insane.

That has happened. Honey, it has happened. It happened to me once. And we didn't even have sex because moving backwards because he was not attracted to women but he wanted

to get into my hotel room no that sucks and I'm like I thought we were gonna hook up and it's just like awkward

you know that's a mess it was in like South America like not Colombia we did not go to Colombia. We went to Peru.

It's probably Peru or anyway, somewhere in South America and South America like they are like fans. They will do anything for that RuPaul's, probably I don't know what, but to get into RuPaul's Drag Race. And so like, yeah, it was bizarre. That's a nightmare.

We didn't hook up and he wanted a selfie and I was like, okay, but just go. That's a nightmare. That's a nightmare. We didn't hook up and he wanted a selfie. And I was like, okay, but just go. But this is weird. And now you're in my hotel room. Yeah. And that is so crazy. What a waste of your time. Oh, what a waste.

Well, let me, yeah. Several things. It was a waste of. Oh my God. I just want to say that, yeah, you're right, Matt. Like, I, what gives me chill, what gives me nightmares is thinking about, like, the brunch conversation. Or, you know, like the equivalent. Well, then if it gives you nightmares, then you need to change your current thinking about it.

Because you're out here saying it kind of gets your rocks off. So you might need to be more careful, Bowen Yang. Don't hook up with these hoes that just say who you are. Because guess what? There's a lot of them. Well, anyway. so um a girl like me letters to my lovers is the theme of the piece that you're speaking to people that you've experienced in the past and this is is it is it like it's not like every song is for a certain one it's just kind of like these are for the for the boys this is for the boys yeah it's also for the girls yeah uh remember that bett midler movie for the boys for the boys yep it's also for the girls the trans girls who um who experience such tomfoolery but it's not just

tomfoolery it's one part reality and there's a little bit of fantasy involved in just kind of making it not only speaking about the realities of what I've gone through, basically taking my diary and setting it to music, but then also kind of built musically presenting songs that I would have wanted to hear as a young trans girl growing up. Yes. Yes. And so that's what the album is. And the whole, it's a trilogy. The relationship that I was in lasted a year. And we obviously had our ups and downs, and it crashed and burned. But the one song basically turned into five songs, which is an EP.

And then we're like, I kept writing, and then it was suddenly 15 songs. So it's three EPs with interludes, which makes it albums. Yes. And we're going to release them over the course of a year because the relationship lasted a year. I love

that. That's amazing. I love that release cycle. That's so thoughtful. I really, I can't say enough about the song i i was listening to it and i was also reading the lyrics so i was also doing a close read and i was like you know the emotional honesty of the lyrics and also to be honest with you sonically the way it sounds and i i'm not saying that's just because i am in mariah land but it kind of was giving me her you know what i mean and i do mean that as a major compliment several registers down well right but you know

we do what we can still a register a register a register nonetheless title of app a register nonetheless a register nonetheless a register nonetheless

but it's lovely and I think it's great and I'm really excited for the rest of it I can't wait to hear it on October 6th. Thank you. We are going to take just the quickest break and return with Peppermint and Ask Peppermint the Damn Question.

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And we're back with Peppermint. So Peppermint, here on Lost Culture Recess, what we do is we ask each and every one of our guests the same question, which is, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Bowen, you want to break that down? Peppermint, this is the culture that you took in in your development culturally, whatever that means to you, but it set you on a cultural path. It's something that you saw, read, heard, and then it kind of lit up something in you. I mean, there's a couple pieces give us all the pieces

give us give us give us all the pieces the one of the earliest pieces i would have to say that i had full control i mean i'm sure there was lots of stuff that influenced me as a little queer kid but the one kind of thing that i was like oh this is for me and I am going with this and it's going to change my life is Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, the movie with Gene Hackman. Gene Wilder, yes. I wanted so desperately. Did I say Gene Hackman?

You said Gene Hackman, you said Gene Wilder, but the thing is like- Gene Hackman would have been great. Gene Hackman would have been fabulous. He really probably wouldn't have, but yes, Gene Hackman would have been great. Gene Hackman would have been fabulous. He really probably wouldn't have, but yes, Gene Wilder. We can't take Willy Wonka away from Gene Wilder.

So I had to say that. No, we can't, we can't, we can't. A little aggressive Willy Wonka. Willy Wonka. Yeah, that would have been different. Different but valid. But with Gene Wilder. And I desperately wanted to be Violet Beauregard, the girl that turned into a blueberry.

Yep. And I spent, I can't tell you how many times I rehearsed that. And when my mom would leave, I would go and dress as Violet. And then when I, this is how I knew it was culturally relevant to me. Because then later when I had some power to produce something as a young kid, I would try to enlist all the other kids and force them to participate in my fantasy of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. And you're going to be such and such. And you're going to be, you know, Veruca Salt and whoever you're going to be. And I would stuff my clothes with pillows and roll around on the floor like a blueberry and i was living my fantasy that's the first one and then the next one is definitely the entire

janet album from janet jackson yes wow wow whole album that's okay those are two excellent excellent pieces okay let's start with miss willie miss willie i think you know what i just thought it it has that same like fantasy that same like element of like pure cinematic like magic that is only beat out by like wizard of oz to me like totally you're right you're right you know it's got it's got it's just like it's the same thing it's kind of the same I feel like it's an echo of Wizard of Oz in a way where it's like

it's just like you're watching as a kid and it's just so beautiful and colorful and fun and like you've never seen anything like it up until that point and like that is such a that've never seen anything like it up until that point and like that is such a that's such an important movie it really is it's pure imagination

for me that song is absolutely I mean I remember and also every singer every like real singer like find a way to sneak it into their set list to like Audra McDonald doesn't a beautiful cover of it oh now i gotta listen to it after oh you must she it's in a concert of hers

probably from about a decade ago actually and um i heard adam levine do it one time from maroon five and i heard um i believe josh groban does a gorgeous version of it it's really one of those songs that is so it's it's for people like who really want that escape i do think that it's it's sort of what attached to what bowen is saying too that was so that's the element that i wanted to bring an escape yes keep going sorry yes well it's that it's that um other world and i think it's that that it's that station that you want to belong to so badly and it does it does sort of give that message at the end of the day of the man behind the curtain is not who you think um which i think is a timeless narrative and such a

such a important story and i think that weirdly enough like of course people from all across the world identify with those narratives but it's such a queer narrative and you hear rupaul talk ad nauseum about Wizard of Oz. But it's almost like we know at a certain point, even in our development, that there is going to come a time where the man behind the curtain is going to become a thing. The sheen of everything is not actual happiness. The knowledge is the power. You know what I mean? I think that movie is...

I love that you brought that up. It's so important. Yeah, it really also, I mean, and just like on a, on a more basic level, if I dare, it really did,

it was really touching to me to see the way that Gene Wilder played Willy Wonka was so tender, even though he was like bizarre and the character was like wacky and kind of scary it's like our movie part of it um that he played willie wonka so tender and charlie was so poor and was so like good and loving and it like when the first time i saw it i was like this is terrible like this charlie's not getting anything and and he's been he's been following the rules are dying yeah kids are dying like what's happening yeah um and charlie uh and then obviously it's a spoiler

alert in the original version sure he gives the the place to charlie yes um and i just thought that was just like such a wonderful thing and you know growing up as a little poor kid i was like oh you know yes yes i mean the thing is too like you mentioned like it's a horror movie that is so true too because on paper on paper it's a it's about a creepy man who wants kids to come to his big house he allows them to bring their guardians who sell their children out and they all come and he puts them through a series of tests where he feeds them things

and they willingly take it despite not knowing where this comes from. He poisons them or drugs them or whatever it is. And one by one they all suffer

intense maladies that would ordinarily if this wasn't a novel turned into a film lead to sure death. Yeah. And you don't really know at the end of the movie what happens to the other kids you sort of see that they're just like physically

chained for what seems to be forever but it's really kind of dark and weird and like it's so dark yeah it's it is like it's in a way it's sort of like wizard of oz on acid it is yes yeah especially when they go through that tunnel and he's like playing that flute and, you know, they're like, you know, it's like a boat that goes through the tunnel in the original version. Yes, yes. And they're like tripping out and they're like screaming.

It's like a theremin, like a theremin is being heard or something. Wait, I'm curious, why Violet for you though? What was it about Violet Beauregard? She was, she seemed like a little New Yorker. And I don't know why. Not that I was in love with the city of New York at that age, but I was in love with that kind of attitude.

She was spunky, yeah. Very spunky. And I love blueberries. And I just thought it was so cool that she would, like, turn into a big old blueberry. Yeah. I just thought it was so cool that she would like turn into a big old blueberry. I just thought it was the fiercest thing ever. And she was a redhead. The actress was a redhead in the show.

Yeah. Who are you, Bone? Who do you identify with? I am probably, I guess I'm a Mike TV. I don't know. You are a Mike TV. But not really. I want to say I'm a Mike TV. I don't know. You are a Mike TV. But not really. I want to say I'm a Veruca,

but Veruca is like, I think maybe you're a Veruca, man. I'm Veruca, bitch. I think you're a Veruca, man. I want today. I want tomorrow. I want it now. Or you'll scream.

Or I'll scream. And I might. No, I'm Augustus Gloob. I'm Augustus. I don't want, see, I don't want what happens to Augustus to happen to you because the boy drowns in chocolate and gets sucked up into a tube

because he can't help but drink the chocolate. I'm like, girl, the self-control. It's the lack of self-control for me. It's the lack of self-control for me. But, okay, on the subject of horror movies, because i do agree that this is a horror movie oh han says bowen is obviously charlie no that's not true

no honestly bowen you are charlie no i'm not oh no i don't accept i reject peppermint i feel like you are a connoisseurs of movies of horror movies so what what are what are your top oh this is so hard give your top three i was gonna say three what are your top three horrors oh that's so difficult uh well i have a i'm a okay so my top three horror movies are you have to know that my genre of choice is zombie or sickness okay um and so my top three horror movies my but overall, here's my top three. My favorite horror movie is Return of the Living Dead from George A. Romero. This is the 80s kind of comedy zombie horror where the kids go into the graveyard and you know what happens.

Zombies ensue. Yes. Zombies ensue. Zombies ensue. Also a front runner for title of app. Yes. Uh, my next favorite,

I'd say just because of the impact, the cultural impact, um, and where it came, I guess for, for me and the age, uh, was the conjuring. Um, and where it came, I guess for, for me and the age, uh, was The Conjuring. Mm. Um.

Oh. You know, if I watch it back now, I'm kind of like, okay. But. Yeah, yeah. The fact that they were able to, because what I really appreciate now is what horror movies can do. Yes. Yes.

Um, given the, the limitations or whatever they have or whatever, you know. Um, and so in, in, in a moment in time where we had just come out off of a lot of like Saw and Hostel and like torture porn, which are not my favorite. Yeah. The Conjuring was very reserved. And so it's not very gory. It's more of a suspense, but it was scary as hell. I saw it in theater.

Yeah. And so The Conjuring is number two. My third favorite, and it's not because I liked this movie, but it scared the hell out of me so much that I just respect it. But I will never see it again. I respect it. Probably more than i respect any other horror movie because i will watch a horror movie at any time of day or night i will never see this movie again it shook you too greatly it shook me it made me think things

that i never want to even think again oh my god what is it scared me to the core it is hereditary i knew you were gonna say hereditary i knew because i thought this i had the same response for days i was like i'm i've never thought about these images in my life yeah and what would they look like what would it look like for my mom to to do that like yeah yeah because because the scene where the next morning she wakes up and like sees what's in the car. That scream she lets out. I was just like. I'm literally.

Yeah. I've never. I've never seen it because I cannot bring myself. Don't see. I mean. I'm anti-horror movies. I can't do it. Okay.

Well then don't see this. No. That one like. That. And from what everyone says about Midsommar too. Like it seems like those ones are like. Same director. Same thing.

Like in terms of like what modern like those ones are like director modern like in terms of like what modern horror films like are experimenting with and it seems like this guy is experimenting with like i'm not interested in but just even hearing you say that tony collette's performance um like i was ready for her to be nominated for an oscar just people the way people were talking about it she should have been she should have been but like it's it's like even you saying that that was a thing I just had full body chills you know what I was like not excited about you know what I'm talking about right Matt yes I know oh you know what happened I read I read synopsis I read like detailed synopsis of all these movies the whole movie took the biggest turn I have ever

taken in a movie. The movie that I was really excited about coming out this year, culturally, I wasn't going to see it because I can't sit through them. I'll have a panic attack, but I was excited for it was the remake of Candyman because when I was a young

kid... Don't say that. Don't say that. The part in the new trailer. The part in the trailer is like, no, no, no. Yeah.

That was iconic. That was iconic trailer moment. I literally will not say the name of the film again because I fear saying it a third time. But when I was little, I went over for a sleepover to my cousin's house and we were watching the movie Candyman. And the original, the original.

And I can't describe to you how scarred I was hearing that voice. Like that voice was so sexy to me. Oh, my God. You are built different. Like I'm not. I've never seen it. Oh, Bowen. It's not that good not that good okay that's what i hear for me as a kid it was fucking scary and so it was being it was being remade this year i believe jordan peele was producing it yeah i don't know what happened

to it well what happened was the the coronavirus just pushed it to next year so they didn't want it they didn't want they didn't want it to not have its due and so they're pushing it to next year so they didn't want it they didn't want they didn't want it to not have its due and so they're pushing it to next year but basically it's actually like really if you really read about it and really watch it like and experience it for more than it just scaring the shit about you it's actually about race relations and it's actually like it's it's actually kind of applicable to to now the culture the cultural conversation right now. And so that's why I was excited about it coming out because it seems like it was being like remade in the image of now. In this time.

Yes. Which is good. So I was excited about that. And that's fair. And I respect that. It didn't land for me as a kid or whenever. I don't know. I was obviously a kid. But yeah, it didn't land for me as a kid uh or whenever i don't know i was obviously a kid um but yeah it

didn't land for me for some reason so i was just like not understanding i was like girl just then just don't say his name that's true you found the plot hole well that's like that's what i love about scream is it like it plays with the idea that people are doing stupid shit like you know what i mean like so many of these movies, like, and obviously scream is like a horror comedy classic and consciously doing that. But I was like,

finally, like when I watched it again recently, cause it is, it is a horror movie that I'll watch. I was like, that is so cool that they decided to really flip this genre on its head. And even in doing that created a classic for the genre. And now it's getting a fifth.

So it's like. A new? Oh, I should have known this. Did you not know? Oh yeah, yeah. What? They're all back. Nev's back.

Courtney's back. David is back. Yeah. Okay, she's grabbing the, she's grabbing her surroundings. I would imagine you're a scream, you're a scream fan. I'm a scream fan. I've imagine you're a Scream fan. I'm a Scream fan.

I've seen every single one of them. I think they're fantastic. My favorite and scariest scene in Scream, gosh, was it Scream 3 with whatever one Parker Posey was in? Yeah, she's three. And three where they're in and out of the house. I don't know if you probably didn't see it then.

Or did you see the whole, did you see it? Screams I've seen because I can deal with screams. It's funny. When they're getting the script and the killer is writing the script as they're experiencing it and they're reading the script to figure out who's going to get killed

and they're going in and they shut up the lights, and they're in the house, and then they go to Adga house, and then they go back in. And then that part is so suspenseful and so good. Yeah. Those are genius. They really are so good. Okay, let's talk about Janet. Yes, Janet.

You don't tell me nothing. Well, I actually think so so the Janet album correct me if I'm wrong this was really a huge album for her because this was when she really started to own her sexuality no yes the the real now the real start of it for a lot okay let's talk about this yes now on control I mean first of all she has a sexy song on every album that's normal like everybody has yeah yeah and so she has sex song on every album on control which is the album before the rhythm nation her sexy song her sexy nasty but it was um someday is tonight which is basically kind of like anytime anyplace which was on um uh the janet album it's like let's do it we've been waiting for because she had let's wait Someday is tonight, which is basically kind of like Anytime, Anyplace, which was on the Janet album.

It's like, let's do it. We've been waiting for it because she had let's wait a while. And then someday is tonight. Like, let's wait for someday when we'll do it. And then someday is tonight. A.K.A. when the Grindr has been conversations going on too long. Hello, honey. What's that?

And so she had that, but she never had like a whole project, right? And those were always like the deep cuts. And so the moment in time which she credits her sexuality awakening was the filming of Poetic Justice. Yes, because they came out the same year, yes. Yeah, they came out the same year. But we started to see a little bit of her belly button at the end of Rhythm Nation, which was not very sexy. The album was not very sexy.

She was all buttoned up and she had, you know, it was more like militant. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, Love Will Never Do Without You was her sexiest video up to date, up to that point. Um, and then she, right after that, she, cause she, she released Love Will Never Do Without You and then went and filmed, uh, Poetic Justice. And then a couple of, a, because she released Love Will Never Do Without You and then went and filmed Poetic Justice. And then a couple years later it came out.

And so that, so yes, she's very sexy for the Janet album and was grabbing crotches and- Getting her tits grabbed. Having her tits grabbed on the album cover. She's like, forget my belly button. Let's show you some titties. And it was on the album cover yeah she's like forget my belly button let's show you some titties yep um and it was on the rolling stones cover which was like that's right oh my god like it was like a statement a different person yeah so this this is the album that has

all these the interludes throughout it which are like the best and she mastered the interlude on that album she did yeah she sure did she did. This felt like the cohesive sex project. You're so right. Yeah. For sure. And it, that's the way love goes. And if, or no, wait, what's on that? No, that's the way love goes.

If, anytime, anyplace. Yes, yes. I'm looking at it. Okay. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. No, yes. That's the way love goes.

Yes. That's the way love goes is on it. That's the way love goes. That was the first single, which was, it was like, it's obviously, it's like a really mellow song. And that was J-Lo. We mentioned J-Lo earlier. J-Lo was originally supposed to be one of her backup dancers.

And it was like, Janet had always debuted a single, like a big dance song. This time she debuted just her. It was like filmed in a house. Just her and the kids, her dancers sitting around. It was very chill. It was very different.

Your favorite Janet album? My favorite Janet experience. Experience. The album, the videos, the concert. That's amazing. Yeah,

and it's funny because by the time Maibakero became aware of janet um she already was like a sex icon you know like when because this came out in 93 so it's like throughout pretty much the rest of the 90s sexuality was like pretty much synonymous with janet jackson yeah because matt you and i came in around, like for me, like our age, like we came in around All For You, I would say, right? Not me.

Okay, 2000? No, my first real Janet moment was, there are times when I look up above the mirror. Okay, Velvet Rope. Okay, the next album after Janet. So that was my Janet moment. And then All For You was her like sort of mainstream, hot, pop moment mainstream it was pop right and then she was in the fucking clumps and she gave it i know and i was like what's going on here what

happened to that belly button girl yeah i know but i it was nice for me to work backwards from all for you which is like very like poppy mainstream whatever but then to go like but then like college i like got it my timeline is. But then to go, but then like college, I like got it, my timeline is all messed up with Janet, but college was Control. And Control is like

the Janet album I know. It's so strong. It is strong. I know. Pleasure Principle is one of the best songs ever. When the movie Hustlers started and the very first line is

this is a story about control about control I was like I love this movie already I was like this movie already gets it on such a deep level

yeah the music was another character in the show yes in the movie yes it was

it really got it and like you know not to detour too much but speaking of JLo like her idea to have Criminal by Fiona Apple be that song that she stripped to genius

like yes and honestly JLo saying just JLo playing Gimme More and going this is my this is my fucking song that I think Hustlers is an underrated movie and I think it should have gotten way more shine no it should

have gotten Osc more shine. it should have gotten Oscars. Oscars. Yeah. You know. Did it? I mean, there was a little bit of buzz

in the very beginning. There was a little bit of buzz in the very beginning. But those performances, the story, I just, everything about it was such a brilliant movie

and I think people, I imagine that people probably kind of sold it short just because of who was in it. The women that were in it. And that it was women. And I think the fact of the matter is, if that film is directed by a man, or if there's even more men in it, or if it's about men in any small way more, I think it warrants more consideration on their part. But the fact of the matter is is that movie is just as good.

Ocean's 12, Ocean's 13. Yeah. Oh, my God. There's too many of those. I know. And I think the fact that the director was a young woman and it starred two women of color. People gagged. Honestly, like, it just didn't get the respect that it deserved.

And I hear people kind of pick apart, like, its narrative. It's like, you know, the way the screenplay works and i'm like y'all no you're just trying to find ways to justify it not getting its due and there is no justification that was one of the movies of the year it was one of the movies of the year really good movie really good movie i do want to observe something and point out something uh back to janet i feel like this is not to make it too full circle, but I feel like I don't think Janet fans have a name. There's no

pet fandom stan name for Janet. I don't think so. Are they not Rhythm Nation? I guess they're Rhythm Nation. But that's a collective, right? Yeah. Yes, that's right. I feel like and this is just what's informing Peppermint being like i'm not gonna like

stan anybody the way that the kids are these days because i come from a time when um not that it's like dating you like so crazily but it's like you coming from a time when like you just really like enjoyed someone's experience and you didn't have to like assign yourself an identity to it you could just like come in and absorb it, you know? Yeah. I like that. And maybe, I definitely think that has to do with me, my bracket.

Yeah, for sure. I've just Googled it and she does not have a fan group name. There you go. Classy. Yeah, I think that's classy. I think that's nice. We don't have to name it. We're a Janet Jackson fan.

That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This, by the way, this, this Wikipedia page that I'm on claims that Kelly Clarkson's fans are called

Calabrities. And I can confirm with you that that is not true. I don't identify as a Calabrity. It's just too, it gets like tacky. It's just too, I mean, I know it's supposed to be cute and not take itself too seriously, but it is kind of like. No. You know. Because what if you're the person and you hate that?

Like, you know, and also you can't change it. Like Ariana's fans forever are called Arianators. And she's got to live with that when she's 40. Oh. Arianators? That is so stupid. Depending on how you pronounce that, it's so unfortunate in 2020.

Arianator. No, Arianators. Arianators. Oh, yeah. Arianators. Oh, Jesus. I didn't even hear that until I heard it, and that sucks.

That's bad. That's unfortunate. Arianators. Kitty cats? Is that what Katie's fans are hers are the katie cats here there's just a few a little little monster has not aged well i as a gaga fan myself i feel like little monster i think little monster adds i mean holds up more than pepper than most i mean none of them are as good as Azalea Banks' cunt brigade. Of course, we have the beehive for Beyonce.

Which I think is not fair. I mean, look, I'm not going to say anything about the beehive, but I remember I have a little bit

of confusion because I'm the only person I heard talk about that was Little Cam I associate Beehive with Little Cam yeah she even says like I'm the Queen Bee I'm the real Queen Bee although I don't know who this other Queen Bee

is saying she is but I mean yeah then we have what do we have here we have got let's see obviously the Rihanna Navy which I do like I like Navy but it's a lot of comms like mishandlings it was one person's job to come up

with this whether it was on the person's team or outside in the fandom but it's like the wholesale adoption of this amongst you gotta call it it's like the R.E.A. now you get a name you gotta get a name it's so gimmicky this says that Mariah

Carey's lambs are often credited as being the first fandom name wow I don't think that's true I think it was the beehive well you need to you need to send an email to Wikipedia then and write this wrong oh honey I've had sent emails to Wikipedia darling

trust me darling and that's actually rule of culture number 103 sometimes to Wikipedia, darling. Trust me, darling. That feeling when you have to send... And that's actually rule of culture number 103. Sometimes you have to send an email to Wikipedia. Sometimes you send an email to Wikipedia.

Darling, and it is not easy. No, it's not easy. I don't even have a Wikipedia page. I don't know what I have to do. I didn't know that I had one either. I was, you know, Googling myself, as one does. And it was probably around the time I just got on drag race and i realized that there was a wikipedia page for me and it had a lot of personal information

and i just ignored it i'm like oh and then a year or so later like a year ago or whatever um i was like okay this information is wrong. They keep adding wrong information. And it wasn't like age and stuff like that. Like, I'm like, okay, fine, you know. But they were like putting my dead name and putting, also putting my like, quote unquote, real name, my government name, which actually wasn't even accurate. And, and, and, but what ended up happening long story short is someone put it on Wikipedia at the same time that somebody printed it in a magazine and a magazine, I won't say which. And so then it became what is known as circular reporting. I never heard of this.

Yeah. Right. Right. And they, so they, each, um outlet was crediting the other as the original source right uh the magazine was saying they got it from wikipedia and wikipedia was saying they got it from the magazine i'm like one of y'all can't be

you can't both be right um and i was so i told i basically told the magazine i was like look and every other magazine i went through every single story that had my name in it and said i need you to take out either my dead name or do not print my this other name none of this information is correct take it down and they many of them did only one of them refused because they were like the original one and then wikipedia refused and it had they have like levels of um because you know anyone can edit wikipedia but they have levels of like wizardry where different people can you know be the grand not the grand wizard but the grand wizard of wikipedia a front runner for title of app unfortunately the grand wizard of wikipedia the aerionators are running it no no oh my god a lot of white supremacy on this up um anyway so they they can uh i long story short i posted

to my to like people to my followers was like, can someone please help me? I know one of y'all knows how to edit this Wikipedia. Can somebody please do it? And so someone did. And like a teenager was like, hey, I'll help. And they had like levels one access and they changed it. And then it just kept going up the rung. Then the next person who had level, the next level access changed it back.

And then the next person had level level the next level access changed it back and then the next person had level the next level and it went all the way up until someone at the like level 75 access was like i'm deleting all of you be gone and they and they're like i'm changing it all back and it all went back to the original shadiness and i was like this is not right and i was like there's no forum i was like this is my information i know what my name is yeah and this is not right. And I was like, there's no forum. I was like, this is my information. I know what my name is. Yeah. And this is not it. And they were not having it. They're like, sorry, it's out there.

It's been published. It's, as far as we're concerned, it's real. And I was like, oh, no. Because they say their principle is that if any outlet or, which is flawed, but they're like, if a reputable, if it's printed, it must be true. That's what Wikipedia's philosophy is. So the way that they justify something being on

a Wikipedia page is they source it like a bibliography. Exactly. So if anyone else, if you get it from a source, if you get it from a source, that source obviously

did their due diligence. So we can trust our sources. But you can't trust all of your sources. And at the end of the day, that is like, I mean, in that moment that is like inaccurate and also just plainly transphobic if they're

Why am I not a source? Why don't I count as a source? Right. Oh, wow. So I've always wondered how it fucking works. Did you guys just like go on one day and all of a sudden you had a wikipedia all of a sudden one day yeah all of a sudden and this is this is nowhere near the same level of distressing but i but my wikipedia for whatever reason says i majored in microbiology in college and not chemistry and i keep being like

where the fuck do they get that from? And I'm sure, but I'm sure peppermint, I'm sure it's like a circular reporting thing where it's like one publication printed it. And then now it's being cited. There's no change. Even though I,

even though I can be like, ha ha. LOL. Um, if you're going to beg for my money every three fucking months, you can at least take my word for it that I'm not, I'm not, I wasn't a microbiology

major, you know what I'm saying? It's so, that's so, that is really upsetting. It's the worst, and they don't want to listen. But finally, one of them told me, look, this is what you got to do. You got to get on and you have to make a public declaration. And so I got on there

on Twitter and I made a public declaration. This is my name. If you call me anything other than that, you are being disrespectful. I do not want to be dead named. It's transphobic to use my old name. And then my name is what I tell you it is. End of story. And then they said that that would work.

And it actually was, I guess, the catalyst for them to open the conversation again amongst the committee. And then they had one of these people told me who it's like they have a culture at Wikipedia who came to my social media and was like, girl, they are having a conference about your name and whether to redo your thing. They're having a whole forum about it. And I'm not able to contribute because i'm i'm just level two but i'm able to witness it and and this is what's going down and they're blah blah blah and i was like well is anyone fighting for me in there and they're like yeah somebody is and eventually it

it won i mean i feel like it was a court case yeah it's crazy it's like you have to win to be who called who you are and then also it it's like, I haven't looked, but is it like, I would imagine that it's like, it won't allow it to just be like, and Peppermint's name is Peppermint. It's like on December 24th, 2017, Peppermint declared that her name is actually this. It's just like that.

Basically. Yeah. The bureaucraticratic nonsense of all that is so, so stupid. I mean, but listen, you won, you beat the Grand Wizard, and we love that. The only reason I want one is because I feel like every time someone Googles me, there's like eight other Matt Rogerses, and literally if you Google me,

it's some pictures of me and some pictures of an American Idol contestant from season two and it's like also who also like hosts a show about like I don't know trucks or something because he's straight and I'm just like I'd like everyone to know that I'm not this person so I

guess that's the only reason why I'd want one you're getting there probably it'd be like happen any day oh yeah whatever it's gonna be like personal life and it's gonna be one of those things where it's like you're gonna hate it openly gay period look if anyone's listening is if anyone listening is a teenager on level one let us know let's get the matt rogers wikipedia page and started with this sort of i don't think so honey energy we're gonna take a quick break and return with i don't think so, honey energy. We're going to take a quick break and return with I don't think so, honey. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple.

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the episode of Las Culturistas that is featuring the one, the only Peppermint. So this is our segment that we do, Bowen and I and our guest, where we take 60 seconds to rail against something in culture that's just absolutely killing us in a way where we can no longer contain ourselves and it has to be brought down. So I do have a topic, Beau,

that was sort of came up today. Oh, okay. It arose in my mind today as a result of my hobby, not hobbies, my errands that I was running. You had told me. me okay so this is matt rogers's i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey credit card culture

i don't know what the fuck i'm doing when i go into chase and they're like you need to get a new credit card maximums minimums i don't know what the fuck this is i don't know what a one to one point thing is i don't know what points on a credit card are i don't know when when i should be using my credit card when i should be using my debit card to be honest with you this is just a part of my culture that i just don't think so honey i don't know anything about it i was never taught how to use one what's the deal all of a sudden these due dates sneak up on you and they're like your past your due it's like what do i have to put this on my google account my google call is already full i don't think so i mean that there's enough space for it.

How the fuck am I supposed to know that, like, it's time for, like, also, how do you build credit? I don't know, so, honey. I just, all I know is, so, honey. I wanted to get a better credit card today. I wanted to get the Chase Sapphire. I said, so, let's close out my Chase Freedom. They said, no, we can't close out the Chase Freedom. It's not time.

Do I know why? I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. I find myself completely confused as to the world of credit cards. And that's by design, I gotta say. Pettermint's like, okay. Yeah. The only thing you're supposed to know about credit cards

is that you're supposed to use it to buy things. That's the only thing they want supposed to know about credit cards is that you're supposed to use it to buy things. That's the only thing they want you to know. Yeah. This is how you build good credit. You use it to buy things, literally. And the magic number is you only use up a third of your credit line. Okay. But you keep it at that.

And you pay on time. And also, the longer you have a credit card the the better credit you build this is what i want to say i understand how to use a credit yes yes i'm sort of leaning into it for that i don't think it's funny but i will say one thing is like when they show you the perks and the bonuses i'm always like what does any of this shit mean like what is, how does it relate to anything? I just, I,

I feel like it's unclear and never has been explained to me. And when I tell blank bank people, I literally will be like, you need to explain this. Like you're talking to an idiot because you are. And they're like, okay, cool.

Well, 9% advanced. And I'm like, what is percents? What is all this? We need to, I mean, I'm going to do an assignment for you and me.

We need to, we need to actually, I think it's time for us to start opening points points guy culture oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what is wait what is it say it again the point guy you don't follow him darling honey i mean clearly life of lavish okay he's he's this gay man who knows all about credit cards, and I feel like he can walk you through it. It's even past credit cards now. It's membership clubs. He does...

Oh, really? It's not just that. He... I mean, well, I guess it depends on the program that he's using for the credit card, because he really knows how to use those perks yeah that's what i'm saying i just need someone to navigate for me how i can because i don't want to hear like and i know it's true like i know that i'm not using whatever system i'm involved

in right now the correct way or the way that's like causing me the most benefits and that bothers me like like when as long as the banks are making money then none of us are well exactly i mean that's the thing is it's like i know that it doesn't matter to them but it's like if i'm going to be involved in this system of credit cards which is like already i roll and i know the banks are taking advantage of advantage of us at every turn i'd at least like to get what i can get out of it and if you're telling me i can get a free flight i should know how exactly oh that's the truth that's the truth. That's the truth. Honestly, Matt, get the JetBlue MasterCard and then you just get like Miles

or something. Yeah, but you know, I'm a Delta girl. I think we should get into Point Sky and we'll figure it out. Maybe we'll get him on the show. Okay. Would he be an iconic guest? Maybe. Who knows? I don't really know his deal. Okay, great. I do know that he's gay.

Yeah, he's gay. He's gay. He's gay. I love that he's gay. I've got one. I've got one. That's good that you have one. I'll tell you what I don't have is my phone on me.

It's all the way over there. So do you mind? Okay, I'll time myself. No, not at all. Okay. All right. This is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.

I Don't Think So Honey, 58 degrees and sunny. What the hell am I supposed to do? Am I wearing a short and a long sleeve? Culture. It's going to be hot outside. It's going to feel like 58 degrees, but then the sun's going to feel like it's beaming down onto my skin, and I'm going to feel like I'm burning up down there. And by down there, I mean down everywhere on the body.

It's just, Today was very confusing for me walking around outside. I tend to love fall weather, but it's this liminal space where I'm not really... We're not given the tools to know what to do when it's 58 degrees and sunny. It's like credit cards.

What do you wear? It's like credit cards. It's by design. We're not supposed to know what to do, what our recourse is. So am I wearing long pants and a t-shirt or am I wearing a sweater and shorts? I don't know. There is no right answer, but there is no wrong answer. But that leaves me in the purgatory of choice. I don't know what to do.

I don't know where to go. 58 Degrees and Sunny, you're purgatory. And that's one minute. I have to say, you said that to the wrong person because I would die for 58 degrees and sunny right now. I love 58 degrees and sunny. Matt, are you in LA right now? I'm in LA where it's too fucking hot. We're in the midst of our ninth heat wave of the

year and it's just like, oh my God, 58 degrees and sunny. That is a gorgeous deal. I love it. You are the New Yorker. You got too used to LA there, Bow i know i know you're right you're right you're you can't right because guess what bowen let me get let me give you two let me give you and i don't think so oh my god you were sitting we don't tell me i was

sitting in los angeles captive in los angeles for, as I have been for many projects. But when I was doing Drag Race, and all we had was TV. We didn't have a phone. You're sequestered. I'm sure you've heard all about it. And so I was watching the same TV. And I got to know, as one does, the local news team that would come on every day, every morning.

Intimate. And and home girl the weather i can't remember her name now because i wiped it out of my memory the local weather lady on abc in los angeles don't remember her name i i thought i was going crazy i was sitting here because all i had i don't know her oh i had a window I was looking out the window and I'm like, damn, this damn thing is the same weather every single day. And then I turn on the thing. And the woman on the thing, no lie. They're like, okay, thanks. And now to weather.

Homegirl gets on there and she says, it's basically a carbon copy of yesterday. And walks off. That's iconic. And I'm like of yesterday and that's iconic. And I'm like, that's like, I'm like, I knew it. Yep. And so I can't with LA.

I'm sorry. I love you all. Everyone. I love everyone, but the weather, I don't want to be in a place where it's the same weather every day for the rest of my life. It's groundhog day.

What's going on? You know what? No, you know what? I will say this. During, like, I'm going to say December to March, you get a good moment. Especially, like, last February, it was raining every day, and I was loving it. It was sort of like, you know, like a mid-60s moment, and it would get a little rainy. And I love that in L. in LA because it's also dry

and I don't have to worry about the humidity, darling. And so that's kind of like something I, that was my Mariah slipping in. But like the humidity, darling. But I just, I can't describe how easy it must be to the fucking weather girl of Los Angeles, the easiest job in the history of jobs. It must be the easiest.

She was like, it's basically, she was so over it. And I was like, whoa. She's like, it's basically a carbon copy of Yashinai. And then she walked off. What an icon. She left. And that was her report. I love it.

And you can't say she's not doing a good job. We're talking about her now. She's telling the truth. We're talking about her now. Oh, we the truth. We're talking about her now. Oh, we are. Stop. She made her moment. Sorry, that's my Google.

You have a doodle? A Google. No, no, not a doodle. My Google. Stop it. You got a doodle? I thought you were saying you had a doodle. Am I a doodle?

Like a Labradoodle. That's a porg. Oh, no, this is a porg. This actually is my stuffed animal. Oh, what is that thing? I've seen those things. It's from the last- What is it? Star Wars. It's actually from the last Jedi Star Wars movie. Okay, yeah, yeah. Oh no, this is a porg. This actually is my stuffed animal. I've seen those things. It's actually from the last Jedi Star Wars movie.

A lot of the girls out there now are getting a little baby Yoda dolls but I have a little porg. He actually makes a sound. Would you like to talk to him? Hold on. Yeah. Oh! It's cute. It's like a bird thing. It's like a bird thing. Very cute.

It's like a bird mammal. Yeah. Bird with fur. Very cute. Very cute. I love it. Okay, wait, Peppermint. Yes.

Okay, we didn't time you on that one, but would you like to do an I Don't Think So Honey timed? No, I'm sorry. That's not my I Don't Think So. I just wanted to make sure. It was just an I Don't Think So Honey edition.

This is the real thing. This is the real thing. This is the real thing. I just wanted to make sure. And I knew that Peppermint knew the rules, but I just wanted to make sure. Well-versed. Okay. This is Peppermint's I don't think so, honey. And her time starts now.

In the age of COVID, when everyone is locked in their house, And especially in the beginning when nobody was leaving their apartments. I do not think so to the people, whoever is packing up the food and putting the condiments in the bag. Yep. The condiments and the utensils and the flatware.

I do not want to be sitting in a hotel room with no fork and not enough ketchup or too much ketchup because I got eggs. Nothing is right. I don't eat ketchup on my eggs. And if I'm getting some Chinese food, I want more than one packet of soy sauce. Hello?

Obviously, I'm getting Chinese food because I want soy sauce. 15 seconds. Don't give me one packet. And do not ever send a bag to go and not put a fork and a straw and a spoon and a knife. Nobody's having to go and already holding their own fork. You need to go ahead and get your stuff together.

You need to quit your job. I don't think so. Wow. I have to tell you something. This is exactly what I don't think So Honey is all about. It's negotiating with the culture right now. You are dead ass. Every time I order from Panda Express,

they don't even put soy sauce in the bag. What? Every single time. Every single time. And I'm like, not for nothing, but y'all weren't the gourmet Chinese option. So you're going to need to put soy sauce in the bag. I'm sorry.

You're not a steakhouse where it's rude's it's rude to ask for a one let's research mama let's yeah hello you know you have a box of soy sauce in there girl i know they have i know they have a whole back room full of the stuff you can't be giving a girl one you have a room you should be giving it away what do you what do you need be giving it away giving it away what do you need all of it what are you hoarding it that's the thing I was like I almost took their side in the beginning I was like you know

maybe they feel as though like so many orders are going out we can't be giving away all our supplies it's like bitch it is so ridiculous to give no fork no knife no it is so crazy thank you for saying that thank you for saying that honestly and i know i know we're not supposed to like root for

like putting utensils in the bag necessarily because it's like oh is it bad for the environment but sometimes sometimes you need there's no way around it. No, no, there's no sometimes. Every time you get food, every time you get food, you need utensils. Unless we're getting, like, what are we getting? Pizza. What do you order? Okay, pizza.

Okay, pizza. Do not give me a fork with pizza. No. That's it. But with chinese food gonna get a fork on that one i need something boo gonna get a fork on that one gonna get a fork on that one and a knife on that you can't send food you have to assume that you want the you do not want to send your food out and have people be like well i can't

eat this because i can't don't have what I need. Give them everything they need. Can you imagine? For someone like you who is often in hotels, it's like, hello? Now I carry a fork and a knife and a spoon. But why should you have to do that? Why do I? But that's ridiculous.

It's more ridiculous for me to have to carry a spoon and a knife and a spoon. Do we lose everything? I will say, she froze, but the way she froze was iconic. The way she froze. Someone take a photo of it. This will be the photo. Look how gorgeous she looks. I mean, stunning.

I'm sure we'll get her back. Are you back? There you are. Okay. Honestly, it's because you have so many appliances running over there you got that i have everything running i mean yeah but oh my god you are god damn it are you dead on dead on dead wow i have to say this has i obviously got emotional about that yeah just truly the computer was melting down You brought us there with you. Yeah.

This has been such a fun episode. I have to say, it was so exciting talking to you and finally getting you here. And we're so thrilled for our Girl Like Me Letters to My Lovers coming out on October 16, 2020, y'all. It's going to hopefully improve this year a little bit.

And the single is Best Sex, and it's out right now and i do want i know bowen mentioned it earlier the show pep talks my next our first i'm not sure when this airs but our first premiere our premier guests were alaska and bob and our it's brand new show and the second week we have miss shea Coulee as our guest. Yeah. We gotta get Shea Coulee on this pod. You need to. We've had Alaska and Bob and now

the legendary Pep, but we're sort of making our way through the Drag Race canon. Just like those fuckboys. Just like those race chasers. Just like those race chasers. We are race chasers first and like those race chasers. We are race chasers, first and foremost. Peppermint, this was fantastic.

We love you so much. Thank you for coming on. My pleasure. I'm so happy to finally be here with both of you. Well, you'll have to come back soon. Absolutely. And you know, Bowen. Yes, we always close out with a song.

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