Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "There's Something About This Guy..." (w/ Jesse David Fox)

Episode Date: July 31, 2019

In this episode Jesse David Fox, Senior Editor at Vulture, joins Matt and Bowen to discuss Emmy nominations, Padma Puts on a Comedy Show, Matt as a D-List Democratic mouthpiece, MTV, and more.MERCH! M...ERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:24 Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas.
Starting point is 00:02:32 Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling. Bitch, it is a fucking sop fest in New York City. Can I say something publicly? Yes. No more talking about the weather. No one can talk about it. No, you keep going back and forth on this.
Starting point is 00:02:45 We have to be more interesting than this. No, but this is- We gotta be interesting. We have to settle on the- It's the discourse on the discourse. It's so meta. It's like a cloture vote. It's like voting to vote.
Starting point is 00:02:55 It's having the conversation to have the conversation about talking about the weather because I keep going back and forth. You keep going back and forth on whether or not talking about the weather is acceptable. I think it is. When something is so unusual, you have to call it out. It is unusually humid.
Starting point is 00:03:08 Look at my fucking shirt. I know. I'm drenched. You're drenched. I've never looked this way. I've never looked this way. I have never seen you. I have never seen you.
Starting point is 00:03:17 And you, Bowen, one of the warmest presences. When you sit next to him, it's like there's always a crackling fire. Yes. And he came in here and he said, don't hug me, no one hug me. I did not say that. You said this. You put up both your hands in our guest's face. And you said,
Starting point is 00:03:33 don't hug me, no one touch me. I'm a sop fest. That's what you said. That wasn't the reading. And I would have hugged you anyway. That was not the reading. Then what did you hugged you anyway. That was not the reading. Then what, then how,
Starting point is 00:03:47 what did you say? So our guest shoots up from his chair. You denied him. Our guest, I mean, I mean, if I'm, if,
Starting point is 00:03:52 if anyone were to outmatch my warmth, it would be our guest. I don't know about that. shot up, okay, what? She could be icy. Oh.
Starting point is 00:04:00 She could be icy over email. Well, she shot up over, she shot up from her chair to hug me. She did. And this was the reading. Well, can you just repeat the quote? What you said?
Starting point is 00:04:12 Yeah. Don't touch me. No one hug me. I'm a sop-fest. Okay, this is how I said it. Don't touch me. No one hug me. I'm a sop-fest.
Starting point is 00:04:21 You love to give yourself the good narrative. You are. You're a victim. You're a public victim. Bowen Yang, public victim. That's the title of your stand-up special. Look, oh my God, wait. A gorgeous bead of sweat just rolled down your face.
Starting point is 00:04:36 Did you feel it? It was like a Sandra O'Tear. Oh my God. It was like a Sandra O'Tear. It was like Grey's Anatomy, but for heat. But for heat. Oh my God, that was so glamorood. Glamorood. You can't believe how beautiful that was.
Starting point is 00:04:48 Can you feel the energy? I can. It's a thick energy. And can I say something? Yes. We only allow so many straight men. I always say, can I say something? I know I've noticed.
Starting point is 00:04:59 And I always tell you, you always have the permission. I have the right to say things. But just to address what you just said, we only allow a certain number of straight men. I mean, we really do. Can we name them? Can we count them on one hand, first of all? Silvestri.
Starting point is 00:05:14 Silvestri, Tim Platt, Billy Domino. Billy Domino. Chris Redd. Chris Redd, famously. And we're missing a couple. I mean, there have been other straights. There have been other straights, but I mean... Those are the queens of the straights, though, apparently.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Queens of the straights, and I gotta say, this guy, we love him. You know, there's something about this guy. When he came into our life, this guy... This guy. This guy, he approached us and said, I think there's something there. And we said, we know. We know. We know. We've been around each other and we know. There's something about this
Starting point is 00:05:51 energy, this duo. But truly, I mean, he gave us so many opportunities. He was the one who sort of opened the door for us to write recaps for Vulture. That's true. I'm still making those checks. I'm still making those checks. Not you. Not me. You moved on. I wish. I wish I could. Even. Dude, I'm still making those checks. Not you. Not me. You moved on. I wish.
Starting point is 00:06:06 I wish I could. Even though I had, this is how in love with making money I am. This is how obsessed with money I am. Even though I had a full-time job, I would still wake up at, I'm not kidding, six in the morning to watch RuPaul's Drag Race and write those recaps before I had to go into work at 10. I can't believe. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:25 Because I'm so obsessed with just getting any money. So if you guys go back and read the season 11 recamps, just like read that from the lens of Matt Rodgers being completely stretched thin. Honestly.
Starting point is 00:06:36 And being a fucking money hungry ass. I'm a money hungry ass. My ass is hungry for money. Yes. So here's the thing. There's something about this guy. The thing about him is he's senior editor at Vulture. That is one of the things about him. And another thing
Starting point is 00:06:52 about him is he's not one of the hosts. He is the host, honey. Of the Good One podcast presented by Vulture. Presented by HeadGum. HeadGum and Vulture. You know that this is something I know very well. Presented by HeadGum and Vulture. I was one of the I know very well Presented by head gum and vulture I was one of the co-hosts of a podcast called
Starting point is 00:07:08 What the Tuck He was the mastermind behind it It's now called Drag Her And you know they continue on And he is the man He's such a champion for people In the community he really is and he's laughing No he really is he like has really
Starting point is 00:07:24 Helped you know, showcase. He said such nice things about us. We were on Good One. We were. We had a 15 minute thing on Good One because we're not big comics. We're tiny comics. Tiny comics and two. Tiny baby comics that get a tiny baby episode. Not even both of us
Starting point is 00:07:39 are big enough to get a full block. We both, we roughly amount to like seven and a half minutes worth of time. You know what I mean? That's how much we are worth. After post. After, you know. Exactly. But that was really fun. That was so fun and that was such a fun show. Yeah, that was
Starting point is 00:07:56 so fun. And I really love it and he really asks the right questions. And just so you all know, the Good One podcast has comics come on and they talk about and dissect their iconic jokes and their iconic bits and the material and we kind of get a glimpse into the process it's if you love comedy you would love this podcast you love good one so and this is a man that i would like to tickle me i would i'm sorry what i would like him to tickle me but i think that if he were to approach me in a romantic setting, I would let him tickle me.
Starting point is 00:08:27 What if it was completely platonic? Fine. Okay. That actually sounds really fun. That sounds fun. I bet that me and our guest would have been really good friends in elementary school. Oh. I bet the three of us would have had a sleepover, you know, before things get sexually complicated.
Starting point is 00:08:40 Yeah. Okay. That's all I have to say about that. You're throwing out so much i would enjoy a frozen pizza with this bitch you're throwing out something about this guy tickling sleepovers pizza yeah i don't know i get the sense when i'm around him that we would have innocent fun together yeah okay there's something about this guy and there's something about this guy is the front of our title yes there's something about this guy. There's something about this guy. Oh, please welcome into your ears, Jesse David Fox.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Hello. That was so nice. I wanted to go forever. You are the sweetest boy. You're the sweetest boy. I try. You are. I really do try.
Starting point is 00:09:16 You're the sweet boy. You're the sweet boy. And you end all your tweets with love, Jesse. Yes. Yes. Because Hunter made me, and Hunter's young and taught me how Twitter works. You were talking about the iconic Hunter Harris? The iconic Hunter Harris.
Starting point is 00:09:27 I have to say something. This episode will largely be about you, but now that you've mentioned Hunter Harris, I did think, I was like, well, I bring her up, and then immediately I brought her up. So I first became involved on Twitter with Hunter Harris when Alex Jung was coming to Game Show. He asked for tickets to Game Show and I said yes. He's like, can I have a plus one to bring in the iconic Hunter Harris? And I was like, I think I know this person from Twitter. And even he
Starting point is 00:09:54 referred to her as the iconic Hunter Harris. The iconic she is. You have to follow Hunter Harris at Hunter Y. Harris. Oh my God. You will not be disappointed. No, it's daily. Just daily belly laughs from me. Are you bringing something up? I'm bringing something up. We're recording this on July
Starting point is 00:10:09 17th. 2019 Emmy nominations came out yesterday. She tweeted not a single billions nomination. I see, period. Locking off. And a gift of Phaedra screen grab of Phaedra Park.
Starting point is 00:10:27 She, her, so I like sort of had a private good one with her about how she does it. She is magic. You have to. She has, her computer is filled with folders that are collated by types of GIFs, types of photos. I was like, I was like, she was like, my friends make fun. He's like, don't my friends make fun of you. I was like, don't let them make fun of you.
Starting point is 00:10:47 This is special. No, it's really a thing. She's amazing. The queen of Twitter for me. The queen of Twitter. The queen. Truly so goddamn funny. So funny.
Starting point is 00:10:56 I'm just laughing at, like you tweeted something, you just tweeted the other day, we were together, we were just, I was at Matt's apartment, we were laughing, laughing, laughing about Hunter and then you tweeted,
Starting point is 00:11:04 We were screaming. At Hunter, why Harris is the queen of Twitter or something. And then she quote tweets. And all she says is the taste he has. Taste spelled T-A with an umlaut. S-T-E-X-L-A-N-T-E-Q. The tostay that he has. The tostay that he has.
Starting point is 00:11:19 Wait, hold on. She also tweeted. I'm going to share one more. You bring up one. One more tweet that I liked that is just like. Hold on. Wait. This is so annoying.
Starting point is 00:11:30 What do you mean a private good one? Did you record this? No, no. I literally just asked her how she did it. I think you. I think. Oh. So she said six Emmy nominations for Homecoming, a film by Beyonce, eight periods, a huge
Starting point is 00:11:42 ellipses, a moment most pleasing to me in my career. Just crazy. I don't know. Well, one of those was for writing, which I, which Nicole Silver. Can we talk about this?
Starting point is 00:11:54 I think it's odd. It's odd. It's beyond odd. It's her, Nanette, Wanda Sykes, because this is the way where most stand-ups
Starting point is 00:12:04 get nominated. I'm very aware of this category. So it's her, Nanette, Wanda Sykes because this is the way where most stand-ups get nominated so I'm very aware of this category so it's her and Nanette Wanda Sykes Amy Schumer and a man
Starting point is 00:12:11 who was this and Adam Sandler and Adam Sandler it's truly like four Netflix specials and Beyonce for writing Homecoming
Starting point is 00:12:21 which should be said a phenomenal special a phenomenal let's even said, a phenomenal special. A phenomenal variety. Let's even give it a phenomenal variety special. We'll win outstanding variety special, whatever the next word is. I mean, maybe part of the submission was, I don't know, I'm not
Starting point is 00:12:36 as much of an awards wonk as I would like to be, but maybe part of the special is submitting some writing sample from the award. I doubt that that's true. But it's like, I'm sure she, you know, all the phone, muffled phone voiceovers in Homecoming, I'm sure she, I don't know, I'm sure she was involved in that creative process.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Well, someone had to write that sketch with the Bugaboos. Bugaboos, make me laugh. Yeah, yeah, of course. Which is Emmy-worthy. Emmy-worthy. But I also think the Emmys like, they like to tout, like, this got 11. They like having multiple nominees.
Starting point is 00:13:08 They like things getting on a roll. I don't know totally why. So it's probably also like, well, there is writing. It was not bad. So, like, this is a sensation. They want to make sure that you have it. They want, when you look at the total nominees, like, these are the most important TV things of the year. I get that.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Here's my problem with it. And actually, this is something where i was talking to my dad about this today like your dad was like did you see beyonce got nominated for i forget how it came up it probably wasn't a topic and then i just started talking about it knowing me yes um but i was saying like it's weird that there's no category called individual performance. Because when you watch Homecoming, what is amazing about Homecoming? Beyonce's performance. And yet, there is not a category that exists to reward performance in a special like that. So even if we're calling...
Starting point is 00:13:59 You're talking about live performance. Yes. If we're calling what Hannah Gadsby does an individual performance, there's no category, right? There's no category to acknowledge that. And yet,
Starting point is 00:14:11 there is this writing category that Beyonce gets nominated for when it's like, if you watch that, you're like, wow,
Starting point is 00:14:16 she should win an Emmy for this performance on television and yet, there is no category for that. And that is actually where I would place
Starting point is 00:14:24 all the Saturday Night Live performers, too. Oh, interesting. To be honest, because that is a weird thing. Very much weird. It's always weird, but it's nice, I guess, when... There was a time where SNL... I mean, there's decades where no one was getting nominated. So it was cool when they started getting some.
Starting point is 00:14:38 But now, because it's in the news all the time, I don't know if you've heard, Bowen, that now they have to try out a few. Robert De Niro's getting one for eight minutes of screen time. Right. Which is shocking in a way. He submitted the Sandra Oh episode. Oh, interesting. Which Sandra also got nominated
Starting point is 00:14:56 for. But for me, the SNL thing is weird because it's weird that it splits off in two. It lives under the umbrella category of variety, but then these nominations fall under comedy. Yeah, you'd think there'd be variety performance. Yes. There you go.
Starting point is 00:15:09 And that's what's missing there. And I think there did used to be a category called individual performance, which then was done away with, and they moved the SNL performers to competing all and supporting, which is fine. In comedy, though.
Starting point is 00:15:23 In comedy. But my issue with that and it has nothing to do with should they be recognized of course they should be recognized but i have a i have a tough time reconciling and also knowing by the way that none of this matters and most of it's bought but like i have a tough time reconciling like how do you put kate mckinnon's incredible performance on snl up next to someone like betty gilpin yeah you know what i mean they are doing two different things and also you know what show i started watching dead to me oh yeah fantastic you love it fantastic but i don't think that show is a comedy yeah and it's 29 minutes long so it's not really a drama
Starting point is 00:16:03 it's like all these things are like blending in together and it's just getting too weird. And now I'm kind of thinking like, at what point do these, and also it's binary too, which is weird. At what point do these categories just melt away
Starting point is 00:16:14 and we just start honoring performances for what they are? I get that that's less fun, but you know what I mean? Like it's getting weird. Well, the only two directions it could go is if it got more granular, like best performance in a dramedy,
Starting point is 00:16:26 which I don't think is going to happen. Or the other direction is it all gets lumped together into one monolith of a large show. But then it becomes like the Pulitzers or the other warden that sounds like Pulitzers where they're like, here's a pile of award. The Peabody, yeah, yeah. The Peabody, which is not fun to look at. No. You're like, oh, there's no, you don't know what they're being judged against. It becomes like a fair award, but not a thing you'd want to watch a show up.
Starting point is 00:16:49 Of course. Right, it's like part of it is you're seeing the faces of six, now eight people are nominated for Best Music. It's too many. So you'll see their eight faces and you're like, who's it going to be? And then they'll pick somebody
Starting point is 00:17:00 and then they'll give some speech and you'll forget who wins or whatever. But that is, it is good TV. Is it good awarding? Who knows? But that is why we watch it because – It's a television show. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:12 If you lumped it, then it's just literally like listing people's names. Yeah. Literally that is true. You know who I think does it right is the Television Critics Association or the CCAs. What they do is they say here are six nominations for achievement in comedy and here are six nominations for achievement in drama and it's individual achievement in drama and I remember like um this is an award that like Rachel Bloom has won and that and they don't break it down by gender they do not yeah and the the the um whenever I've brought this up before as an idea some people say
Starting point is 00:17:43 you know I think rightfully so like well you know what'll happen like it'll be all men and then the women will be underrepresented and honestly i actually think that and you can see on these tca awards like it's predominantly women i think that the women on television are by far giving the most exciting performances because they're given the space to do so so i don't necessarily think it would go that way but I think TV would work because as you said there's more shows for women there's more interesting roles
Starting point is 00:18:11 the roles written for men or television are the same role over and over again which is like this man is good and bad at the same time or whatever but you couldn't do it for the Oscars because it would take forever and this is just the nature of that industry is that the movie industry moves so slowly.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Like because there's such an investment in each thing it takes forever. There's like only so many movies a year that are released so that fly hard but TV you can definitely do
Starting point is 00:18:35 and then women would win all the time. Yeah. Right. Like I feel like other than the sort of like linchpin big male anti-hero characters on TV
Starting point is 00:18:43 I feel like you're not seeing that much interesting stuff in lead actor roles for the most part. I think there's so much more the sort of like linchpin big male anti-hero characters on TV I feel like you're not seeing that much interesting stuff in lead actor roles for the most part I think there's so much more in male supporting roles absolutely
Starting point is 00:18:51 and in female lead roles and female supporting roles I mean you saw Game of Thrones like they got so many nominations and it's like it was for supporting actresses
Starting point is 00:19:01 tons of women four out of the six which is cuckoo yeah yeah yeah but then you look and you're like, well, they're all great. Yeah. But did you see, somebody posted like the breakdown of screen time that all the Game of Thrones cast members had.
Starting point is 00:19:14 And it's like Dinklage has like over 140 minutes of screen time when you take all the season. And Alfie Allen had like 28. Wow. And it's like, yet they're both supporting actors and it's you know what I mean it's just I think TV
Starting point is 00:19:28 I always think the Emmys is interesting because the Emmys is voted on by people that work in all of TV including people that make the TV
Starting point is 00:19:36 we never talk about so they like when TV works like which means people watch it so there's like Game of Thrones was a big hit
Starting point is 00:19:44 we have to celebrate it because it did sort of like stop time like yeah it might be the last time we all sit down that's why i'm surprised like big bang theory didn't get nominated because i do feel like they support like doing a good job like i feel like with like late night variety the late night shows i feel like they often reward like successful broadcasting opposed to like artful television or whatever like oh they are the best sort of the most basic
Starting point is 00:20:07 of like they responded to the day or whatever it means to be a broadcaster and I think that's probably where like Game of Thrones is a big hit let's celebrate the whole run
Starting point is 00:20:14 by seeing how many people we can nominate and it's like when Lord of the Rings was nominated for every single Oscar there's like look this is only
Starting point is 00:20:23 going to happen so many times I feel like the industry wants to applaud itself for having a hit. Right. Like, they want to say,
Starting point is 00:20:29 look, we can still do it. Like, we're still a monoculture. We still, this thing was both big and good, which is,
Starting point is 00:20:35 I feel like a very LA sort of, a very, and a very LA sort of reasoning, which is like, if it is good and it is, if it is successfully big,
Starting point is 00:20:43 that it is at least somewhat good. Yeah, right. That you have to reward big, that it is at least somewhat good. Yeah, right. That you have to reward it for – it had to do something, right? It's like Avatar. And it costs a lot of money. It did sort of the job of successfully employing people in the entertainment industry. What are your favorite nominations that happened?
Starting point is 00:20:59 Oh, God. This is so hard. I can say mine while you think. Yeah, you go. I actually can't believe that Fleabag was nominated. I can totally believe it. Of course I can believe it based on quality. Sure.
Starting point is 00:21:11 But like shit like that, like that everyone's talking about and everyone knows is so good. Rarely. Like rarely breaks through. Like you remember when The Wire was on TV and everyone knew The Wire was the best show? Never was The Wire like up for those awards.
Starting point is 00:21:26 Maybe later on, but never. Friday Night Lights, it took so long for that show to get recognized. So something like this where it's like you know the whole industry stopped and was like literally the industry stopped working and it scared the fuck out of people. Like truly. Yeah. Like, truly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't believe that those things are going to get recognized. And then something like Schitt's Creek, where I just thought that had a niche fan base. But it just goes to show, I think the efforts to diversify and include younger people, diverse people,
Starting point is 00:22:00 slowly and surely, you're seeing those things get embraced. I think it might have something to do with the finality of both of those things. Because was that Schitt's Creek's last season? No, Schitt's Creek's, I think, Schitt's Creek is announcing, I think has one more season. It has five total.
Starting point is 00:22:14 But I think Fleabag, I mean. Fleabag, it's like, part of the narrative for Fleabag was, this is the last season she's doing. And it's been two years since the last one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a small show, and usually small shows don't get nominated
Starting point is 00:22:25 because, like, it doesn't make, usually a small show does not make as big of an impression, but it seemingly did. When you sort of exist in sort of media bubbles, you do not know if it actually is being watched by people outside of those media bubbles. Yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:22:38 And, like, we have written about it a million times, but we don't, and we have an audience who cared about it, but we have no sense of, like, and it seemingly has connected people but that's why I think the biggest snub
Starting point is 00:22:48 was that the Hot Priest didn't get nominated it's so weird because two supporting actors just did it's crazy and no one was checking for Sean Clifford
Starting point is 00:22:55 but she's amazing she's amazing she got a nomination and that shows that people did love it and watched it and the thing about Olivia Colman
Starting point is 00:23:01 getting nominated not that she didn't deserve it but it's like she's like her screen time in this season was like
Starting point is 00:23:06 amounted to what like 25 minutes yes super small and I can't remember anything in this season I feel like I remembered but like
Starting point is 00:23:13 and I would say it's like oh the Emmys like to nominate movie stars but then the
Starting point is 00:23:18 then they did not like to nominate movie stars because Julia Roberts didn't get nominated for Emma Stone or Jonah... Exactly.
Starting point is 00:23:26 That is... Yeah, yeah, yeah. To be both so the Emmys and so not the Emmys at the same time. Truly bizarre. The fact that they could have had Julia Roberts there.
Starting point is 00:23:34 I know. And so deserving. Do you think Beyonce will go? Yes. I don't think she will at all. Well, I guess it will come down to whether or not they show those categories
Starting point is 00:23:44 on the main show. I don't think they will. No. Well, I guess it will come down to whether or not they show those categories on the main show. I don't think they will. No, because John Mulaney won one year and I remember he gave a speech. So he must have won for either Best
Starting point is 00:23:54 Outstanding Variety Special or Writing for Variety Special. And like Patton Oswalt won for something. So they usually do it because they probably
Starting point is 00:24:00 usually do it because that means a stand-up comedian will say something funny. But they... He had that gray powder blue suitup comedian will save something funny. But they, he had that gray powder blue suit last year. Yeah, that's right.
Starting point is 00:24:08 He wears a suit. Though I, though, what if they bring her out and she doesn't win? That'll be, that's when you rig it. You gotta rig it. for Beyonce's, I mean,
Starting point is 00:24:17 if Beyonce shows up, of course. In this, the year of Lion King. I know, I know, I know. Who wins?
Starting point is 00:24:21 Oh boy. And then Nanette wins. Imagine Nanette winning. Michael J will fucking die. I know. And Nanette wins. Oh boy. And then Nanette wins. Imagine Nanette winning. Michael Che will fucking die. Over Beyonce. I know. Oh my. I have my favorites. I do want to point out one gigantic snub and I'm biased
Starting point is 00:24:38 but it's something that Jesse's pushed. Yes. Cecily. I was going to say. I think Cecily Strong should be nominated and I think that it is egregious. It's crazy that she doesn't get nominated. I felt going to say. I think Cecily Strong should be nominated and I think that it is egregious that she doesn't get nominated. I felt, I saw,
Starting point is 00:24:49 I looked, I was nervous, I looked slowly, I was like, and I saw she wasn't there and I was like, I should have wrote a thing because I was like,
Starting point is 00:24:56 I wrote the thing about Keenan and Keenan got nominated and he might have got nominated. You're doing a service. And I was like, and we had talked about doing something and we couldn't get it to work
Starting point is 00:25:04 and I was like, she needs to get she does what the she is what the show is she does all the parts she is what Bill Hader was for the show
Starting point is 00:25:12 what what's his name the guy from the 90s I was gonna Chris Parnell not Chris Parnell but sure like Forte
Starting point is 00:25:20 90s his wife killed him Phil Hartman yeah sorry but she does 90s and his wife killed him Phil Hartman yeah sorry but she does she does all the things
Starting point is 00:25:30 the show needs I know and of course it's amazing that Kate got nominated again fifth year in a row and 80 and Leslie of course like
Starting point is 00:25:37 in the past got nominated so deservedly would have been great if they got nominated again too but like Cecily going
Starting point is 00:25:43 if she leaves that show without ever getting nominated for an Emmy, I'm just like, that is such, such an oversight. And, you know, the thing about it, too, is it's like it's tough because like I'm saying, like they don't really belong in that category. But but yet it seems like they've made so much room before. Like, I am so thrilled to see that so many of the performers from that show get recognized because what they do is so difficult and so gr room before. Like, I am so thrilled to see that so many of the performers from that show get recognized because what they do is so difficult
Starting point is 00:26:08 and so grueling. And it is a performance. Yeah. It is performance. Real performance. And like, but to see that she is the one
Starting point is 00:26:18 that constantly gets left out is just not correct. No. It's so incorrect. I mean, she can do anything. Yeah, she's amazing. There'll be some sort of karmic justice, hopefully.
Starting point is 00:26:30 Yeah. In the future, if it doesn't happen. Well, she's a superstar. She's incredible. You know, while we're also talking about that category which has eight people in it,
Starting point is 00:26:40 there's no space for Darcy Card in there. Oh my God, Darcy! It's a joke. How do you watch the episode that you know they submitted that was nominated for writing so that you know they watch it they're like this is good
Starting point is 00:26:51 now the writing of it is good it's supposed to be like the writing of it is easy but no they're like the performance of it is what is interesting and you know it's almost like they wrote it for her to get nominated for an Emmy and 8 and they couldn't. It sucked.
Starting point is 00:27:06 It sucked real bad. Eight. It sucked real bad. And that's what brings me back around to Fleabag might fucking win that category. Because they obviously love it. Oh, for supporting? Yes. I mean, I think it might win comedy series.
Starting point is 00:27:20 I don't know. They love Barry. They fully love Barry. They are in love with three supporting actors. I'm sorry, but like- The titular Barry. They fucking love Maisel. They're obsessed with Maisel.
Starting point is 00:27:33 But Maisel was made for the Emmys. It's true. Maisel was made for the Emmys. Sorry. Maisel was Maisel for the Emmys. It's actually rule of culture number 55. Maisel was Maisel for the Emmys. And I have to say, I love Maisel. Yeah. culture number 55 Maisel was Maisel for the Emmys and I have to say in the
Starting point is 00:27:45 I love Maisel yeah we fucking love Maisel we stan Maisel it's just crazy because that's when you realize how good television is because you look at the list
Starting point is 00:27:54 and you're like what do you mean Darcy and Cecily weren't nominated get out of my way let me see the list and then you look at it and you're like
Starting point is 00:28:00 oh god I know this is so thick the so you asked what my favorite because i had just per this recording interviewed the paladinos the sherman paladinos i had re-watched the the guy that plays the artist in episode seven in season two yes which i thought was like oh it's a great performance but no one will notice it that he got nominated whoa yeah like the guy who plays um
Starting point is 00:28:22 the comedian obviously he was going to get nominated. I should know his name. Lenny Bruce. He's so good. It's such a good performance. But the guy that played this artist in like three scenes. Yeah. And I had noticed it because that scene is so good and so to how they shoot the show because they don't shoot in close-up. So he acts with his full body.
Starting point is 00:28:42 I was like very aware of this is what I think could happen. Yeah, it's also an Amazon thing where it's like their, their programming is pretty lean and so they're able to throw all their money behind to this one thing. They gave everything to Maisel. Maisel and Fleabag, like go. They're like this, I mean like they spent
Starting point is 00:28:52 so much money on Maisel. If they didn't, if that didn't get as many nominations as it did, then they'd be like, but it did because it got a million for,
Starting point is 00:29:00 it got two for directing, a couple for writing, obviously costumes, obviously production design. Her incredible lead performance. I don't know what will win because they clearly liked those shows. Like they clearly liked those three shows so much. It's a weird one too, because ordinarily you'd look at it and you'd say, oh, Veep, last season of the show.
Starting point is 00:29:18 Not for nothing, but it's not like Julia Louis-Dreyfus wasn't just as good as she always is, if not better. I mean, I think she was on 11 this season. And there's, of course, the narrative of she returned to the show after being sick. And she's won more Emmys than, I think, anyone in that category. But it'll be interesting. I mean, you look at that category. And I'm also, like I said, I'm watching Dead to Me. And Christina Applegate is forever.
Starting point is 00:29:45 This woman, she is an icon. I'm also, like I said, I'm watching Dead to Me and Christina Applegate is forever. Yeah. This woman, she is an icon. Yeah. Dream guest for the pod. Can you imagine? I would fucking lose it. I would only want to talk about Married with Children. You would only want to talk about Married with Children? Yes, bitch.
Starting point is 00:29:58 No anchorman, nothing. No anchorman? No Samantha who? What was the movie that she did that was her, Cameron Diaz? Oh, come on. The Sweetest Thing. The Sweetest Thing. The Sweetest Thing, famously, Sudi Green's favorite movie.
Starting point is 00:30:15 Oh, my God. It should be people's favorite movie. It's a hard comedy. Yeah. It's like, I feel like it was marketed as like a light rom-com, but it's like a proto bridesmaid, like hard comedy. Yeah. You know what?
Starting point is 00:30:27 This is, this is just a random thing about me is that I, for some reason I was, I was obsessed with the marketing behind this movie, but I never watched, I never saw it was in her shoes. Oh my God. With Cameron Diaz and Tony Collette.
Starting point is 00:30:38 I was like, I need to see this movie. I never ended up seeing it, but I like would stare at the poster for like 30 minutes. You've never seen it? No. I feel like you'd really like it. like would stare at the poster for like 30 minutes at a time. You've never seen it? No. I feel like you'd really like it.
Starting point is 00:30:47 You would. I went on IMDb. This was like early days of IMDb. I would go on IMDb and like read the quote section and just like soak up the dialogue. And I was like, what am I doing?
Starting point is 00:30:55 I should just go see this movie. You need to go. No, actually, I was probably in the closet and I was like too afraid to go because I'd be made fun of. Like that's probably it. I would watch In Her Shoes with you.
Starting point is 00:31:02 Okay, thank you. Wait, because I saw it on a plane. I recommend seeing it on a plane. I've cried the entire time. I don't know if I liked the movie, but I was like, this is exactly on a plane, the tone that I want.
Starting point is 00:31:11 Oh, yeah, that's a plane movie, honey. That's actually, it's actually rule of code number 71. In Her Shoes, that's a plane movie, honey. Shirley MacLaine. Shirley MacLaine. Oh my God, yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:22 What an amazing path. Shirley MacLaine, there's a scene where, there's like a running joke where Cameron Diaz is like in a bikini at like the old
Starting point is 00:31:27 folks home pool and all the men are like oh god and it's like Cameron Han Cameron Han Cameron Han
Starting point is 00:31:35 did she really retire I mean where's she at I don't well oh god she's retired did she announce
Starting point is 00:31:43 her retirement that's what I'm asking yeah okay okay a few times i think everyone was like ha ha ha cameron what was the last thing she was in that movie where she had sex with a car no annie was after annie yeah annie was after i mean annie would put the nail in the coffin for anybody yeah that's a real rough run wait that movie that movie where she fucks a car like is that like the energy of it is it's that movie hspt hot senior producer tracy is making a face she's like i'm sorry what yeah what is this it's not that she fucks a car
Starting point is 00:32:11 but it's definitely is it that cameron's fucking a car energy no she fucks a car what are you talking about are you talking about that movie with michael fassbender and penelope cruz when she's like how did you do that yeah and harvey Javier Bardem. Javier Bardem is telling a story to Michael Fassbender and he's like, this weird thing happened. And then he's, then it's a flashback
Starting point is 00:32:32 and it's him and Cameron Diaz in a car and then she's like, this car is hot or something. So hot, I would have sex with it. Yeah, the counselor.
Starting point is 00:32:41 The counselor. Written by McCartney. Written by Cormac McCarthy. Truly three years ago. Cormac McCarthy wrote it? Yeah, wrote it. Yeah, The Counselor. The Counselor. Written by Cormac McCarthy. Truly three years ago. Cormac McCarthy wrote it? Yeah, wrote it. Yeah. And she full on has sex with a car.
Starting point is 00:32:50 I think it's 2016. 2016. It was recent. And I remember on those awards websites that prognosticate, she was getting a lot of supporting actress buzz. They were like, this is the kind of thing we want to see Cameron do. Before it came out, people were like, this movie's going to be good. 13.
Starting point is 00:33:03 And then it was. 2013, okay. So I think you probably have ideas of what it would mean for her to have sex with a car but if I remember correctly you would have ideas it is not that
Starting point is 00:33:11 she has sex with the windshield okay and I just want to say oh my god I just want to say it's how did you do that how did you do that it's walked so that
Starting point is 00:33:19 why did you do that to me could fly could run and fly even could run not even run fly wait we have to just
Starting point is 00:33:26 prayers up to Hunter Y. Harris because just her dedication to still tweeting about A Star Is Born almost a year later wait can we say
Starting point is 00:33:36 what a moment A Star Is Born was in the culture in the culture it really was it really was this is a cultural podcast we have to give respect we
Starting point is 00:33:46 dedicated a whole goddamn episode to joel kim booster i remember that i was like i can't wait for this episode i listened to it i remember where i was when i listened to that and the episode came about six weeks late because we couldn't get joely in the studio and we we it was like there's no one else we have to talk to joel about but wow a moment. Most pleasing to me in my career. It was... Do you feel like the movie... It was a rare time where I feel like... I'm sure. Sorry, go.
Starting point is 00:34:10 It could have been a thing where the trailer was the moment. I know. And then the movie was like, oh, remember how good the trailer... Like Les Mis was. Where Les Mis, the featurette for Les Mis,
Starting point is 00:34:19 was the moment. Where the wild things are, like where the trailer was the moment. Which, yes. Wait, now we have to stop everything and have a moment. The Real Housewives of, like where the trailer was the moment for where the wild things are. Wait, now we have to stop everything and have a moment. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City
Starting point is 00:34:28 are back. I love that. I love that. Oh my gosh. Welcome. And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.
Starting point is 00:34:36 You're recording us? I am disgusted. Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy?
Starting point is 00:34:45 We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. I felt too seen. Dragged. I'm N.K. and this is Basket Case. So I basically had what back in the day they would call a nervous breakdown. I was crying and I was inconsolable. It was just very big sudden
Starting point is 00:35:16 swaps of different meds. What is wrong with me? Oh, look at you giving me therapy, girl. Finally, a show for the mentally ill girlies. On Basket Case, I talk to people about what happens when what we call mental health is shaped by the conditions of the world we live in. Because if you haven't noticed, we are experiencing some kind of conditions that are pretty hard to live with. But if you struggle to cope, the society that created the conditions in the first place will tell you there's something wrong with you, and it will call you a basket case. Listen to Basket Case every Tuesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, I'm Dr. Maya Shunker, and I'm a scientist who studies human behavior. Many of us have experienced a moment in our lives that changes everything.
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Starting point is 00:37:24 Don't miss this in-depth interview with Charlemagne the god and vice president kamala harris only on the breakfast club catch the full interview now on the black effect podcast network iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts because did you see speaking of literally the late and you know this podcast do talk about cats honey we are about to enter the cultural moment that is cats the film and they have put out
Starting point is 00:37:52 the feature I haven't seen the feature have you seen the feature oh my god we should just say it's July 17th as I said this is a moment
Starting point is 00:37:59 this is a time capsule for the world as it was before the cats trailer dropped before the trailer after the feature after the feature this is a moment this is the moment most pleasing to me in my career. This is the moment most pleasing to me in my career.
Starting point is 00:38:09 July 17th to July 18th. Yes, so sorry. Okay, how was the feature? You guys both saw the feature ad? I mean, so it definitely calls back to the Les Mis feature ad in that Hugh Jackman is like, when you're acting and you sing, it's amazing.
Starting point is 00:38:27 And basically it's replace Hugh with Jennifer Hudson and Taylor Swift, which I'm sorry, the iconography that that has, the access that that has, the international implications that that has, the power that that has. How's Taylor? Taylor is so excited to be on set to work with choreographers that are this good and to just be a part of the moment that is Cats. And Jennifer Hudson, when she heard that she was going to be in Cats, she said, woo-hoo. And she will be-
Starting point is 00:38:56 This is all in the feature act? She will be singing as Grizabella. Yes. And you know, they do give Grizabella the song Memory all alone in the moonlight. For J-Hud or for Taylor? So J-Hud. Oh my god. If you
Starting point is 00:39:10 gave Taylor Swift Memory, I'd be like no. It'd be rough. But I mean famously they toyed with the idea of giving Taylor Swift the role of Eponine. No, Fontina. I'm sorry. Eponine. On my own, Taylor Swift singing on my own, can you imagine? I actually can and that is horrifying
Starting point is 00:39:26 and not most pleasing to me in my career but you you've like you've really inhabited taylor's you know mind and headspace all i'm saying is they backed off of her for les mis and invited her into cats and they show some clips of her like sort of dancing up steps and dancing down steps and it's like really going to be something. And Jennifer Hudson is being the oldest cat in the world. And then the funniest thing, the funniest thing about it is she is talking about playing like this old glamor cat and they cut to Judi Dench.
Starting point is 00:39:56 And it's like, why isn't she the old cat? She's clearly the old cat. And then Judi Dench says, I was, she was like, I was supposed to be in cats. And then I tore my Achilles tendon. And I was like, I was supposed to be in Cats and then I tore my Achilles tendon
Starting point is 00:40:05 and I was like, I thought Cats and me would never meet again. I thought that was the end of my story with Cats. And then Idris Elba, you would think Idris Elba would be like above it,
Starting point is 00:40:15 but he's like, the size of, the scale of the sets to be in the world of the Cats. And then you see Rebel Wilson walk to a door and can't reach the door now. I will say this is going to be a the world of the cats. And then you see Rebel Wilson walk to a door and can't reach the door now. I will say this is going to be a terrible movie.
Starting point is 00:40:30 I would not disagree. And then James Corden is also in it. And he goes, and he goes, it's technology I've never seen before where you're human, but you're also a cat. And then they show,
Starting point is 00:40:41 I've never seen it. And then they show the like computer bones of someone dancing oh so like you just see a outline of a person and then like their red skeleton and they're go they're doing exactly
Starting point is 00:40:53 the dance you think they're going to do we have to be the highest we've ever been I think the movie's going to be what if you it's not going to be good so it'll be exactly what
Starting point is 00:41:02 you want it to be well famously things don't have to be good to be good. And famously the source material itself is not very good. No. That's why
Starting point is 00:41:09 unlike Les Mis which could be good and should be good which should be should be good had one like probably good ten minutes and then like
Starting point is 00:41:17 was unwatchable this is should be bad so then you're like this is so if it does what it's supposed to do it'll be camp. It's got a low floor high ceiling low ceiling be bad so then you're like this is oh so if it does what it's supposed to do you're like camp
Starting point is 00:41:25 it's got it's got a low floor high ceiling low ceiling low ceiling low ceiling yeah wait whatever i get what you're saying now like i think it will be a perfect assuming they're taking it seriously which they are it'll be a true it's bad and exactly what it i mean if you had any suspicions about whether or not they're taking it seriously this feature will confirm yes they are taking it seriously right right and rebel wilson is also in it which always makes me feel like okay like how seriously can we take this if rebel wilson is in it not saying that i don't i i fucking love rebel but rebel is a comedy star like i'm i don't think i going to see the truth in Rebel's eyes, really. Okay, wow.
Starting point is 00:42:08 I'm just saying. My screen partner, Rebel Wilson. I am not coming for her. I'm just saying, it seems like when it came to casting, they said, hmm, how do we go a full 10 with every role? They were like, let's get Jennifer Hudson to sing Memory and then sorry spoiler alert
Starting point is 00:42:27 die right she goes to the Heaviside Lair it's Rue La Culture now I what's the Rue La Culture I'm sorry
Starting point is 00:42:33 it's Rue La Culture number 5 she goes to the Heaviside Lair I'm sorry what were those words I did not she goes to the
Starting point is 00:42:41 Heaviside Lair oh that's part that's part of the show well you know the Heaviside Lair oh that's part that's part of the show well you know the Heaviside Lair have you not seen it I've never seen Cats it's so funny
Starting point is 00:42:50 neither have I and we've talked about it more than anything else it's a constant thread but you know the you know the idea yes yes yes which is
Starting point is 00:42:58 it's not really a story it's just the things in order things in order okay well you fucking stan Cats I've just seen it once and it was like oh this is things in order and people come out to you like they should. I've just seen it once, and it was like, oh, this is things in order, and people
Starting point is 00:43:05 come out to you. Like, they should do it in 3D. Yeah. So they can do the touching. Oh, sure, sure, sure. It should be in 3D. I feel like that's the main thing people know about cats, is that the cats can touch you. Wait, what? I'm sorry. Yeah, I did not know that. HSBT is nodding, confirming. So the main things about cats,
Starting point is 00:43:22 as I explained cats, is the cats come through the audience, and they climb all over you. No. That's number one thing about cats. Number two is the dance. Number one? Yeah, I think so. Number two is the dancing is too sexy for how it is a kid's show.
Starting point is 00:43:36 I know that. Rum Tum Tugger is giving it to you. Those are the number one, number two, and then memory is three. Yeah, memory is number two. And then I think someone, and the goal is to die. And four is Jellicle Cats. Yeah, the goal is to go to heaven. Yeah, they want to be taken to the Heaviside Lair.
Starting point is 00:43:48 That's what... Okay, that's Heaviside Lair. That's what it is. I wasn't going to say. Oh, we should also point out, I mean, a egregious casting mistake for Patty Harris and Amitra Jihari to not be in it.
Starting point is 00:43:57 I mean, especially watching the featurette to know that they could have had them in the featurette talking about it and they passed on that. It's crazy. And all I can say is the next musical shouldn't make the same mistake because Bow it and they passed on that. It's crazy. And all I can say is the next musical shouldn't make the same mistake because
Starting point is 00:44:07 Bowen and I are now campaigning to be Flotsam and Jetsam in the Little Mermaid film and I would feel that that would be a moment most pleasing to me in my career to be able to portray Flotsam. All we can share at this point with everybody is that Matt sent a very
Starting point is 00:44:23 farcical text to our team. What I thought was a farcical text. To our agents and our managers and lo and behold one of them. It was looked into. It was looked into and we got like spicy, spicy details back. I mean, there's no progress
Starting point is 00:44:40 but we know more than the general public does. I would say that we know more than you. Yeah, you reader. You reader. And you, the reader, you don't know what they're planning for the film, but suffice to say
Starting point is 00:44:52 that this is not going to be your mom's Little Mermaid. I think it's a bad, I think it's, I don't agree with the direction. Should we just say what it is? Matt, you had that faith where you wanted to say what it direction. Should we just say what it is? Matt, okay. You had that faith where you want to say what it is.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Can we just say, let's just say, let's just say that we might, Matt, just, you're going up against Disney. Can you believe that I would dare go up against Disney? The irony.
Starting point is 00:45:16 No, you know what? We can't say it. We can't say it. We can't say it. What? Because if I wasn't allowed back in the parks, that would be the end of my life.
Starting point is 00:45:21 We're going in August. We're going in August. Let me think of how, I feel like this is a quandary that happens a lot as an interviewer of people where they're not allowed to talk about how it was. When you heard about this development, what was the feeling you
Starting point is 00:45:36 had? Thank you, this is great. I was disappointed. Yeah, disappointment. Disappointment was the feeling. I would say that the feeling was disappointment and also sort of allure. i was like well well if that's true then how do we exactly and here's sure here's what i think we're able to say it well the information we've been given is that there might not be an opportunity for us well that's saying's saying it. I don't think so. Do you know what that means?
Starting point is 00:46:06 Well, at minimum, the assumption is those characters aren't in it and or... That's what the assumption is at minimum, yes. No. Well, I mean, look,
Starting point is 00:46:14 all I'm saying is, look, we cannot confirm or deny... Let's just make a note of this. We might have to take this. No, I actually love it and we have to keep it in because guess what?
Starting point is 00:46:23 No press is bad press it's actually real culture number 51 no press is bad press um bad no no press is bad press yes no press is bad press um i was true i was gonna say um but if it's if it if it means that you don't get you're not allowed back in the parks then but, at that point, I'll get plastic surgery. Is that worse than the fact that Disney will soon represent two-thirds of the entertainment industry? I was going to say, everyone will keep running into this thing where people in showbiz, at least,
Starting point is 00:47:01 will not be able to talk disparagingly about Disney because they will be they will have some monopoly on everything here's what i think disney knows better than anyone no press is bad press and i think the fact that we're talking about it this actually is building on the intrigue that is the little mermaid because i don't know if you know this but there's a lot of a lot of fascination about the casting of this movie. People are up in arms. People are intrigued. Yes. I was going to say, because I was going to ask you,
Starting point is 00:47:29 is it good press for them or for us? Both. Okay. And that's a relationship, actually. And that's a relationship, actually. And Bowen Yang actually didn't know about Halle Bailey. He didn't know the extent of Halle Bailey, aka Ariel. I just hadn't heard her sing before. She's a beautiful
Starting point is 00:47:46 singer. I've heard Chloe and Halle songs, but I'm just like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, they're just like those two girls. I knew she was of the two. What happens to the, had they split already? No, I think they're still. Is it like the Olsen twins where one doesn't want to be famous anymore? I don't, I think. Or is it like they both went up against it, and they're like,
Starting point is 00:48:02 you are the more talented one. Well, I hope that the way they're looking at it is a rising tide. Yes. Hey. There you go. Water. Guess who gets a lot more clicks now? Chloe and Halle. Sure. Chloe and Halle. And I'm just going to say it may be a Dakota Elle narrative
Starting point is 00:48:17 where the Dakota of the situation the older one Halle Bailey is going to have her moment right now and then Elle Fanning is going to be the one who is in Super 8. Who the fuck is she dating now? She's dating someone way old. I don't know. I don't keep up with this.
Starting point is 00:48:33 I saw a picture of her and whoever she's dating and I was like, this actually is hurtful to me. Whoa. What do you think of the Zach Braff? I'm going to find out who she's dating right now. We're going to discuss it. What do you think of the Zach Braff and the other person? The 24-year-old and he's or she's 23 and he's dating right now. We're going to discuss it. What do you think of the Zach Braff and the other person? The 24-year-old and he's, or she's 23 and he's 44 or something.
Starting point is 00:48:50 That's weird to me. Yeah. Oh, her boyfriend is Max Minghella. Oh. From Handmaid's Tale. And Brownface Social Network, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was in Brownface.
Starting point is 00:49:01 Yeah. And he's much older than Ha. Sure. Oh, we should. I want to. I'm sorry Hunter keeps creeping back into this. Hunter. You could have had Hunter.
Starting point is 00:49:12 No. I have her email address. We've inquired about Hunter. We've inquired about Hunter. No. Just really quickly. Hunter tweeted. I think Hunter broke the news to me that Chris Pratt wore a fucking Gadsden snake shirt.
Starting point is 00:49:25 What's that? The don't tread on me snake. That's like dog whistle. Bad, bad, bad. He's a bad guy. Yeah, no, he's out to me. Chris Pratt is out to me. For being conservative. It's not just, well, here's my thing with, well, look. For wronging
Starting point is 00:49:41 Anna Faris. That? Yeah. Were there wronging? Was that that yeah also was there a wronging was that the I feel like she was at his wedding oh really yeah I feel like
Starting point is 00:49:51 that felt like a thing of they had a certain power dynamic and then he also got famous and they sort of couldn't figure out the timing of it he had like I think
Starting point is 00:49:58 it's so hard when they're both famous people and you can't do it if they're both being in movies and traveling I mean it looks like a lot changed about them during their marriage i mean he went from chris pratt like
Starting point is 00:50:11 on parks and rec to chris pratt i'm the star of guardians of the galaxy and jurassic world you know what i mean like he's a massive superstar and that what bothers me about chris pratt is you're a massive superstar and someone calls you out rightfully queen ellen page calls you out and says hey you're involved with an anti-gay church which he is and his response is the typical republican bullshit of whoa whoa whoa i'm not the enemy actually i love all people which says nothing, which is my difficulty right now with all Republicans across the board is like, you're not talking to me. You're talking past me. And now it's like, we're done.
Starting point is 00:50:59 There's no common ground anymore. You're standing behind a president who put kids in cages. And now he's saying that Congresswomen have to go back to their country. It's like I'm not in the place anymore where I can tolerate
Starting point is 00:51:10 this anymore. So for her to call you out in this way and then you pretend J.K. Law I love all people it's like no, no, no. You're a part of an anti-gay organization
Starting point is 00:51:19 so answer for that actually right now. No, yeah. He sucks and thank you Matt for that voiceover. Matt has been called out as a D-list celebrity Democratic
Starting point is 00:51:29 mouthpiece. By who? By some fucking rando. Someone on Twitter said, if Matt Rogers wasn't a D-list celebrity with these Democratic views, etc. And I was like, first of all, can I say it is huge. So you think I'm D-list? You and Kathy. Honestly, to be D-List.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Huge for me. Huge for you. That's not F. That's not F. Although, who's... That would mean that you're like a C-List or B-List. No, I'm D-List with you, baby. I'm D-List with you.
Starting point is 00:51:58 I think that you are C-List. The two of us can't even get more than seven fucking minutes on Good Ones. Can you believe that literally? It's crazy. Shut up, shut up, shut up. He wants us to host his Padma show. Oh, yes, we didn't mention. But he doesn't want to give us more than 7.5.
Starting point is 00:52:15 We didn't mention that Jesse's also a fabulous producer of live shows. He produced the Padma show. Padma put on a comedy show. Padma put on a comedy show. Happening again on August 15th. Yes, Padma put on another comedy show. Oh! So can you talk about how the heck did that come about i padma one day padma follows a lot of people on twitter yes it was really strange it was i saw it happening i was like she's following these
Starting point is 00:52:36 comedians then she follows me i was like padma's into because like i understand following comedians on twitter they are funny to follow me on, who is famously not funny. What are you talking about? It's like, it's funny, but not really funny. Stop it. This is the point of, it's not funny. This is turning me off. I don't want to tickle you anymore. I thought I was tickling me. Well, I was planning
Starting point is 00:52:57 on revealing that I was going to tickle you too, but now I don't even want you in my room. Nonetheless, so she follows me. I was like, she must be into comedy yeah and then the Louis CK stuff happens she tweets that stuff and I was like Padma's into comedy and then I just was like we should
Starting point is 00:53:15 do a comedy I didn't know it I was like a comedy show should be done with Padma I would like to raise money I think I had heard of the organization that we had raised money for the first time which was the Movement Voter Project I was like I want to raise money i think i had heard of the organization that we had raised money for the first time which was the movement voter project i was like i want to raise money for that organization and i i dm padma i was like look it was a dm even that's all i knew i was like slid in the dms i was like hey
Starting point is 00:53:37 so i think i probably said sorry to dm you but would you want to put on a comedy show and she's like let's yes let's have a phone call and we talked about it and immediately she was like yes I would love to do this god what a queen and then immediately I was like and I'll ask this person and she was like I'll ask Chris and she started using a lot of people's first names and I was like this is very exciting
Starting point is 00:53:57 oh my god but she was like yeah definitely you know she was lovely she was lovely I couldn't believe how... Yeah, she's so nice. How present she was with each individual person. Yes.
Starting point is 00:54:12 And how much she was like, this is so great that we're doing this. Yeah. And then that translated and you guys were so amazing as hosts. Oh, thank you. You're just so good. You're so, like, you're so good. And the audience was like, this is safe and it's going to be
Starting point is 00:54:26 so much fun. Oh. And it was like, It's a fun show. And it was like, this is, you know, I see so much comedy
Starting point is 00:54:32 and I like a lot of it, but like, what, it was from the first, this is the part of the podcast where I'm just going to compliment you guys for a while, but when I,
Starting point is 00:54:39 when I first, when I first saw that I Don't Think So Honey live, which was now like two or three years ago, I didn't know what it was. I just saw a show that't think so honey live which was now like two or three years ago a while back I didn't know what it was
Starting point is 00:54:47 I just saw a show had 50 comedians on the lineup I go in and I was like this is correct this feels home these are people that I know
Starting point is 00:54:55 because it's the same thing like when I first met Hunter Harris which was like there's certain people like I've been at Vulture for seven years there's certain people
Starting point is 00:55:03 that see culture the way that I do see the world via pop culture the way I do and speak that way. And the way that you do it with both sweetness while also being so talented, which is you are ready for the success that you guys have been getting, which is a thing that is very important that I try to tell comedians. It's like it's good to try to get opportunities, but you should be ready and you guys were ready for it. That is a thing. So that important that I try to tell comedians. It's like, it's good to try to get opportunities, but you should be ready and you guys were ready for it. That is a thing. So that and that energy you brought to the show. And then we have so many great comedians of different styles, but it all made sense. And so after the first one, Pat and I had a debrief or whatever.
Starting point is 00:55:37 He talks like, did you have fun? She's like, that was so much fun. She did stand up. Like she wrote jokes. She did? A set. She definitely gave you jokes. She wrote them down
Starting point is 00:55:45 yeah like she's a writer and her and her the her set was shitting on louis it was great i mean you have to remember that's a talented talented talented person yes i mean she's she's done it all yeah and so and then so afterwards i was like did you have fun it's like yes it's like would you like to do it again sometime she's like definitely and then i was just sort of waiting for a moment yep to do it. You want to have enough time. So it feels like a special occasion. And then after the, the Alabama abortion stuff,
Starting point is 00:56:11 I sent her, I sent her to her and her team an email immediately be like, would a padman like to do another show this time to make, raise money for reproductive justice? And she said, yes, immediately. Like that's been so great is that she's been so like i think dealing
Starting point is 00:56:26 with famous people you're nervous that they are like i'm being famous don't treat me like and she's like no we're on the same team for what this thing is and she's been so good to be like and jesse is this person that did it with like she's aware that this is a there was an undertaking yeah and um the fact that we're doing it, which will be at the time of this release, like a week or so. Yeah, so I'll just say right now, it's going to be on August 15th. And I can tell you the lineup.
Starting point is 00:56:54 You can tell. There's some people pending. There's some people that will be surprises. Right. Some people are pending. But the following are confirmed. Yes. At the Bell House on August 15th,
Starting point is 00:57:03 it's going to be Julio Torres, Roy Wood Jr., Chris Gethard, Maeve Higgins, Michelle Buteau, Ana Fabrega, Chloe Feynman, Marie Faustin, Larry Owens, Pat Regan, and Benito Skinner. Amazing. And Bowen Yang and I are going to host. Amazing. And Padma Lakshmi will be there as well. And I will be. And David Fox will be flitting around.
Starting point is 00:57:21 Yes. Telling people. I love. That's a good lineup. I love going to events. I love putting on events and seeing people have fun.
Starting point is 00:57:29 It's like very It's so great. Can I just say first of all let me just say Benito Skinner aka Benny Drama hey bitch I heard you listen to this show
Starting point is 00:57:37 and I see you girl. Bitch you should come on. Benito needs to come on and fucking read us for Filth Astrologically. I love that. I love that.
Starting point is 00:57:44 Don't you love that. And just shoot the shit in Gab. You will meet them soon and then you'll get to ask them in person. Oh my god, perfect. I think it's time we ask the question. We've got to ask the question. This is the question.
Starting point is 00:57:59 The question that we ask on Las Caldrices which is this podcast hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. I'm Matt. That's Bowen. We met many years ago. Many years ago. We became friends and started a podcast after doing other things and, you know, various amount of success afterwards. A lot of bumps in the road. Yeah, a lot of bumps in the road, but mostly, mostly, mostly smooth.
Starting point is 00:58:21 Really great time. Like, I would say I enjoy every episode. Oh, we're talking about the podcast. Oh, I was going to ask you guys if you enjoy every episode. There's two I don't like. We won't say which. I know one. I don't know the other.
Starting point is 00:58:38 There's two I don't like. Okay. Because doing a lot of podcasts, it's sometimes easy to forget you like doing it. Oh no that's what I always say is I still have fun doing this. I had a run where I forgot that I liked the show
Starting point is 00:58:53 that I hosted. Your own show. I was just sort of like I'm doing it I was like I want you to be good and then I didn't think I like the comedians I'm talking to
Starting point is 00:58:59 listen to them and have fun. Like I literally now have to go you like this person have fun listening to them talk. Yeah. I'll tell you have to go, you like this person, have fun, listen to them talk. Yeah. I'll tell you one, interesting.
Starting point is 00:59:07 One thing I don't love is the feeling of anxiety when I don't know the guest and I'm nervous about the guest. You know what I mean? Not nervous. And like, I don't think it's going to be a great episode. Nervous. And that like,
Starting point is 00:59:16 I really respect the guest. Like I really want it to be good. Like, you know what I mean? Like we've had some people come in here. Like when Padma came in here. I know. And the Padma episode was like phenomenal. Oh my God. like oh my god she came in full black bodysuit face looking right hair bottle
Starting point is 00:59:32 laid volve clico in her hand she said i thought there was going to be an audience i said oh my god i'm so sorry she goes no this is fine we fucking shot the shit drank drank both, and had that episode done. Anyway, no. That's interesting that you... And that was scary. This is a fun little comparison moment where I still... I feel the same way you feel, both of you feel,
Starting point is 00:59:58 about having the anxiety around our guests and having to prime yourself for this thing of like, I enjoy doing this i enjoy this person i'm with let's just let me just enjoy this yeah yeah but you okay so just we are going to ask the question but just while while we're while we're here you have you deal with legit some of the most famous people yes i mean you had jimmy fallon on your show yes and you prepare the questions like what like what is the preparation process?
Starting point is 01:00:26 For a while it was consuming every interview they've ever done. Wow. And within reason, if they are a certain level of a famous person who lived in LA where they have like a lot of podcast interviews, I can do so much. Or if they host this show, I can only do so much. But I'll try to consume every written thing they do um so that and i'll ideally spend a week and what i what i say is i try to fall in love with them and then ask questions to convey to the audience my why i'm in love with oh um so but then what has happened recently is i realize i'm getting better at pretty quickly getting a sense of what they're what i feel about them
Starting point is 01:01:03 quicker so i don't have to consume every single little thing, but I have to get enough that I know that feeling. I will consume all their work, definitely, but I don't need to consume all their interviews. Because at first you just want to know how they like to talk about certain things. And the thing that I try, that I want to avoid, is people have stories they fall into. Not because they can, just because if you talk about yourself,
Starting point is 01:01:26 you don't have that many things to say. So you're like set, it's like, oh, what was this like? And then they go into their story about starting SNL. But if you, what I try to do is ask in my question, use their answer that they usually give.
Starting point is 01:01:41 So I'll go like, oh, usually when you talk about starting at SNL, you say that this was scary. Then I ask a question that they've never been asked before. That's very smart. That's so smart.
Starting point is 01:01:49 So once I figured out certain things that I try to do, and then like I have a goal of what I want the show to be like, it's very written out, and there's an arc that
Starting point is 01:01:58 I'm trying to go. They don't know that, but I am walking them on a journey. Right. Of their own, hopefully where they discover the thing about themselves that I have already realized
Starting point is 01:02:07 about them which is like the highest compliment where certain comedians will be like oh wow I guess my whole career has been building to this thing I mean this is a real master class from Jesse for yeah for sure who have you been like so
Starting point is 01:02:23 gagged by um Desus and Mero was the most fun I had doing this show because I wasn't I knew their work and I liked them but then I prepared a lot but they were so good at being interviewed they won they're so funny and they talk so fast that I was like we're getting through everything yes yes where yes. Where like Lonely Island, I'm obsessed with Lonely Island. Lonely Island, I think,
Starting point is 01:02:47 defines so much of what I find funny. Me too. But it was almost too hard because I had so many things I wanted to talk to them about and how to talk to them. And also they had been aware of things that I've written about them.
Starting point is 01:02:59 So at times Akiva would be like, you know, like the thing you wrote. I was like, Akiva, I need you to talk about this. Right, yeah, yeah. No, I can't reread a thing that i wrote yeah um wow i mean there's i'm trying to think of who was actually nervous for i'm nervous live yeah more than anything else and because you just don't know what to be i was nervous anthony justin because you don't know which anthony just like you're gonna get yeah and he was uh it was so fun yeah because he was able to both be
Starting point is 01:03:28 who he is off off mic or off stage or whatever which is like very very sweet and he like so we would look at each other and it's very nice but then when he would answer the question to be to the audience and he would like slip in and out interesting and he's got a he's got a real old school performance persona yes yes and that's something I feel like I don't, I think nowadays in this era of standup, in this era of comedy, I think you see really, I think people are responding to people being who they are
Starting point is 01:03:55 because the media is so like sensitive and everything. We know who people are, but he feels to me like a throwback to like, when I'm on stage, I am performing as Anthony Jesselnik, whereas like Anthony might be someone different. Yeah. And now he's,
Starting point is 01:04:08 he's playing with slipping in and out. He has this story about someone asking him to be a sperm donor and then saying they didn't want him anymore, which he tells on stage where he's both like, he gets to have this moment of like, of course all these women who want mice. And then while also being like feeling out this persona deals with being turned down is really interesting.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Yeah. He, I, I'm trying to think of who, I just want to make sure I get, I don't want to not say people that I was gagged for. Catherine Cohen.
Starting point is 01:04:36 Yes. Well, she, the thing about Catherine is she's like a 15 minute girl. Right now in her career, she's like a 15 minute girl. Whereas like me and Bowen together, we're 15 minute girls but katherine being c list firmly yes um she gets 15 minutes let
Starting point is 01:04:51 it be quoted that matt rogers called his very good friend and she was just being c list is huge i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm just saying i am so thrilled to be d list i'm i'm thrilled to be d as well if you are c list you've been on snl no it's a compliment to be on the list to be D-list. I'm thrilled to be D as well. Bitch, you are C-list. You've been on SNL. No. It's a compliment to be on the list. To be on the list. To be on the list is a compliment. Oh my God, honey.
Starting point is 01:05:12 I imagine as kids you were like, I wish I could be on the list. Anyway, I want to finally ask Jesse. Oh yes, I forgot. Bowen, take it away, beach. Jesse, what was the culture? Stupa beach. Stupa beach?
Starting point is 01:05:24 Oh, so Matt and I are recording a new little, you know, new little, what is it? Like a pet name? No. Stupa beach. Stupa beach. Stupa beach, and you say it fast, and it sounds like a stupid bitch.
Starting point is 01:05:36 Jesse, what was the culture that made you say cultures for me? Ah, the question that you asked. So when I first heard the podcast, I thought my answer was going to be But I'm going to say there's going to be a twist Which was going to be I thought it was going to be The Simpsons I know
Starting point is 01:05:53 And you knew I would say that And I considered Michael Jordan but then Brendan Scannell said Michael Jordan Can you believe that? That Brendan Scannell coming at you with that Chicago Bulls moment But Then I remembered. So tell me if this is too broad and I can get more specific. But I realize the answer is MTV.
Starting point is 01:06:13 An early 90s. And specifically music videos first. Yes. Wow. So many of my earliest memories were music videos. And talk about some of the iconic ones that formed you. Sure. So I will tell the one that I think of first is I must have been younger than five because
Starting point is 01:06:31 this was the 80s. Do you know the video for Call Me Out? The Paul Simon video with him and Chevy Chase? I don't know the video. You will really. Well, I don't know if you like it. It again might be straight, but so essentially. I like straight stuff.
Starting point is 01:06:42 All right. So I like Call Me Out. So here we have this mini golf. So they're singing the song. So it's him and... Chevy. Chevy. And they're sitting,
Starting point is 01:06:49 and then Chevy sings the song, and Paul Simon just sort of sits as his... Oh, fun. That's a twist. Yeah, so it's like, oh, look at adults being silly. That's fun. So that's an early one.
Starting point is 01:07:02 But then the memory that I was like, this is exactly what the question is, is I remember one day. Oh, I love this. And I was home all day. Yes. My dad comes home and goes, what did you do today?
Starting point is 01:07:14 And I go, MTV played Michael Jackson's Free Willy video seven times. Wow. And Janet Jackson's video for That's The Way Love Goes five times. That was my answer for what I did today. Was not, I don't even. What you did.
Starting point is 01:07:28 It was the culture you consumed. It was just sort of like, I knew the culture. I was sort of. Pop star Jackson culture. Yes, I was just sort of. And it's not even like I like Michael Jackson or Janet Jackson particularly that much at the time. It was literally like, I was just interested in MTV's programming schedule. And I feel like that is a thing that was my career for forever,
Starting point is 01:07:46 which is sort of like, I was always interested in the entertainment industry. As an industry, I feel like I always love behind musics. I love, love behind the music. I just sort of like, I was like,
Starting point is 01:07:56 oh, someone was like, oh, I was like, Michael Jackson is really popular right now. Oh yeah. And that is, that I was like,
Starting point is 01:08:02 that is the moment where I'm like, this is the thing that is, this is the me. Wow. Cause what's interesting is in that moment you were bundling you were making whatever like a narrative out of like the culture you consumed that day you're like well this is the way to sum it up and here you go yeah and it was a full day i was like this is what i did today i watched these things and it was like... And you kept track. Yeah, I just remember so distinctly, I do not remember my dad's response, but I just sort of like,
Starting point is 01:08:29 I just be like, this is what I did. And then just thinking about it, I was like, oh, this music video, I was like, oh, I remember the Freedom video, the George Michael Freedom video. I remember the video for Runaway Train. Do you know that song? It's... I can't remember the name of the band,
Starting point is 01:08:46 but it was a song about kids being stolen. And I was like six when that song came out. And I was like, this is a very scary video to me. Yeah. Do you remember all the words to all those songs? No, I have no memory of anything. You're asking that because you do. I was curious because those songs from like when i was like
Starting point is 01:09:06 five to ten are in there forever like you know that song janet jackson together again yes that was like such a huge and i remember the video like i just remember that song come on now i could sing every single word like i don't know what it is maybe it's because when your brain is not like a chaotic mess, like it is now, but like that time of like, I just remember watching all those music videos and like soaking up every single word and image.
Starting point is 01:09:31 And I remember the top 20 countdowns or I guess that was the VH1 version. I was only allowed to watch VH1. I couldn't watch MTV, but of course they had TRL. And like, I remember like every single day needing to know what was number one. Why were you not allowed to watch MTV? Or you're just like sexy. We're like, you're like, single day needing to know what was number one. Why we're not allowed to watch MTV or you're just like sexy. We're like, you're like, you can watch Jason Mraz.
Starting point is 01:09:49 To me, it's the definitive VH1 artist. Well, that was a little, that was like a little bit later. That's actually a real culture. Number 77. Yeah. 77. Jason Mraz is the definitive VH1 artist. Actually, it's real culture number 77.
Starting point is 01:10:01 Of the time. Of the time. Of the time. Now it's New York. Back when, now it's New york back back when now it's tiffany new york pollard is the defining artist oh i have to talk about but i was just gonna say at that time it was like like vh1 was like it's funny that my mom was like you can't watch mtv it's too sexy because vh1 was also very sexual it was just a more adult like sensuality so my shit was like i remember
Starting point is 01:10:25 watching like shania twain you're still the one music video it was like close-ups of her like like um sepia tone like lips like singing and it's just like draped on like a blanket and her like like very manly sort of not mtv hot but vh1 hot love interest kind of slowly walking towards her and like holding her and like they were smelling each other and I'm like this is actually sex whereas MTV is like da da da
Starting point is 01:10:49 dang da da da pussy titties wow that's how that Sum 41 song yeah
Starting point is 01:10:56 that famously sexual Sum 41 song pussy titties oh my god but that song fucking the word abortion in it
Starting point is 01:11:04 just blew everyone's minds at the time. At the time, everyone's minds are blown. The word abortion. And you know, we haven't gotten better. Um, wait,
Starting point is 01:11:11 hold on. Ray Sonny just pointed out something about, remember like just the surreal life franchise ending at Megan. Megan wants a millionaire because, because one of the contestants who makes it to the final two or three murdered his girlfriend. But then that had a butterfly effect out for something. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:11:31 I just, I need to look this up and then we can cut it out. Well, the thing about those contestants is they're not well. Right. And they still do it. But I'm saying like there's something about like the tv landscape now has been directly like was it was as a direct result of the surreal life and i love money and like yeah those shows being completely wiped away from those producers yeah that like family of shows did were you did you watch joe millionaire you guys yes i of course loved joe millionaire fucking loved it
Starting point is 01:12:01 how the fact that that was a sensation is the weirdest part. Not only that it was dumb that it existed, but we're like, we want to watch it. And also, not for nothing, but he was such a dud
Starting point is 01:12:10 and the final two girls, Zora, and I forget the other one's name is, Zora ended up winning season one. Jo Millionaire season one. They were such duds. Everyone on the show
Starting point is 01:12:19 was such a dud and yet you were like, I'm rooting for Zora. And it's like, she was nothing and he was nothing I mean he was like only hot it's also weird that winning meant losing
Starting point is 01:12:32 winning meant losing truly like I'll never forget that show was psycho did you watch season 2? I didn't Europe? cause they couldn't have done it again so they did it in Europe So they did it in Europe? They did it in Europe where he is this like,
Starting point is 01:12:48 and I thought he was hotter. He was so hot. They were all so hot. They were all so, but no, season two, it's this fucking guy from like Plano, Texas, who's like a cowboy. Oh, so they then, I didn't realize they flew him to Europe. They flew him to Europe because they couldn't do it again in America
Starting point is 01:13:02 because then people were like, no, I saw. I just assumed it was gonna be a European famous no they're like no he's an American prince they're like oh he's a cowboy like it was that
Starting point is 01:13:12 he is cowboy he's a rich cowboy I want to marry rich cowboy what accent is that I don't know it's Montreal it's Montreal
Starting point is 01:13:20 I want to marry marry him you know what show I brought up at work the other day was fucking Mr. Personality hosted by
Starting point is 01:13:29 Monica Lewinsky you can't forget you can't forget wait what that was the one where they wore masks the men wore masks and she could only pick
Starting point is 01:13:37 the winner based on who whose personality she liked best and then afterwards when they get eliminated they take the masks off and some of them are hot yes And then some of them are hot.
Starting point is 01:13:45 Yes, I remember. Some of them are hot. And then they're like, oh, no. Right, right, right, right. Some of them are traditional. And Monica was the host and she was like,
Starting point is 01:13:51 it's hard, right? She was like, it's really hard to do this. But this was like 2001 or 2002. Like, pretty, like close proximity to like the fucking Lewinsky scandal. I mean, not far.
Starting point is 01:14:02 I didn't think about that fact. At that point, she is not like a celebrity celebrity. No. She had grown her hair out. She'd grown her hair out, but it's like for her to be like, I guess I'll go back into the spotlight
Starting point is 01:14:13 like four years, four or five years after I was humiliated internationally. Well, she couldn't get real work. I know, I know, I know. I mean, that's another part of the tragedy of Monica Lewinsky is that she has to do the things that she does to survive.
Starting point is 01:14:27 I only think now we as a culture are ready to say, hmm, maybe we were full monsters to Monica Lewinsky who was a complete victim in every regard and was preyed upon by President William Jefferson Clinton who, if he has anything to do with this Epstein stuff, and was preyed upon by President William Jefferson Clinton, who, if he has anything to do with this Epstein stuff, should go to prison. And that should be said.
Starting point is 01:14:53 Me, Matt Rogers, Democrat. D-list Democrat mouthpiece. Political voice who says Bill Clinton should go to prison if he slept with the woman he, the young, no, the girl he was pictured with on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane, which is a thing. Look it up. What do you remember
Starting point is 01:15:11 from the Bill Clinton? I had some, like I knew it was happening. Oh my God. I remember seeing her on the cover of every magazine with the words like fully like whore. I remember like the way
Starting point is 01:15:23 that they painted Hillary. I remember very little it actually being about him oh yeah i remember it being about those women and and the cat fight narrative and the hillary throws bill out or is hillary doing the wrong thing by standing by her man fuck her like none of them could win monica lewinsky's life was ruined at 24 and it took a long time for even the most I guess liberal or woke people
Starting point is 01:15:51 to come around and say hey we have to reassess this Monica stuff and she even is so scarred from it that she says the whole feminism thing now is difficult for her because no one had her back did you listen to Slow Burn? Either of you?
Starting point is 01:16:06 No. Oh, the Bill Clinton season? Yeah, yeah. So they're, to speak upon the feminist opinion of the 90s, they spent an episode on it
Starting point is 01:16:14 and I really recommend listening to it because it is the best episode of that season. Wow. And there was a discourse, I think there's, they talked about
Starting point is 01:16:21 a round table at the Observer that had a lot of feminist people and they were talking about, it was at a Observer that had a lot of feminist people and they were talking about, it was at a time where they're like, well, she has agency. We don't want to treat her like she's a victim.
Starting point is 01:16:32 This is just what they were saying. At the time, this one thing that was told to me from a podcast, I do not want to assert. I have an opinion about that. But that was a narrative that was very publicly done and also at the time bill was one of the more publicly feminist cause adjacent presence that we had
Starting point is 01:16:53 he he was very hard line on uh pro-choice yeah he much so like and he would not budge he budged on famously everything yes but that he would not and I think that is partly what made it harder. It's easier now from the distance of like, well, where that already happened. But also that's because that was the discourse that people wanted to have because you probably had male editors of newspapers and magazines like,
Starting point is 01:17:17 let's find us the feminists who think that Bill Clinton's okay. Like, because that's interesting. It's not interesting if there's women who also think that this was terrible. And now in retrospect, you're're like all of this was fucked and we we were too young to be complicit but everyone else well i think it was an interesting moment because it was like i think some people felt like we have to go to hillary's side we have
Starting point is 01:17:39 to like and they thought that they were on the right side of it. But then in doing that, they were like anti Monica. When really what you had was you had a man who was ruining the lives of everyone around him. Yeah. And it was just like we weren't at the moment culturally to be able to say like, no, fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck him. Because he's a predator. But like what is that instinct to like be protective of him?
Starting point is 01:18:02 Like, I don't know. At the time, I think it was party politics, and I think it was deep, deep, deep, deep sexism. Yeah. And I think we also, it was like a big moment for blowjobs, right? So like... For me, it was a bit...
Starting point is 01:18:15 People didn't think it was sex. For me, it was... It was just sort of like... It brought blowjobs into the lexicon, for sure. I gotta say, that taught me what cum was. Okay, keep going. It taught you what cum was? Yeah. Can I say what I thought cum wasbs into the lexicon for sure. I got to say that taught me what cum was. Okay, keep going. It taught you what cum was? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:26 Can I say what I thought cum was? Uh-huh. I thought cum was when you got too sexually excited, you threw up white stuff. From your mouth. I thought that was cum. From your mouth. From your mouth. I thought when you got too worked up, and then I was afraid because I hate throwing up.
Starting point is 01:18:39 I really don't like it. Just a little pump or two of white stuff. Literally, someone said it's when you get too excited and white stuff comes out of your mouth. This is like fifth grade, fourth grade, fifth grade logic. That's like a comedy writer's room, like writing a kid, and then someone being like,
Starting point is 01:18:53 we can beat that. That's like a really first thought stupid fucking thing. It's not that good and not that funny. For a kid to say, you know what I'm saying? They think cum is throwing up. Nah. Nah. That would never happen. Wow.
Starting point is 01:19:05 Getting hot and political up in here. But it actually is time to do a segment. Another segment we have, Jesse, you know it well. It's called I Don't Think So Honey. Honey. I can't find this Rae Sonny tweet. Okay. Anyway. Just go to Rae Sonny's Twitter. Fucking gold mine.
Starting point is 01:19:20 We take one minute to go off on something in culture. Ooh, I have a good one. I have got a good one too, but yes, I will let you go. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, people sleeping on Real Housewives of Potomac. Yes!
Starting point is 01:19:35 Real Housewives of Potomac is up there. The girls are doing their jobs. Karen, Ashley. Bitch, keep kidding. Karen Huger is an icon. The Grand Dom. dom also giselle brian is doing things that sheree whitfield only dreams she could do you really want to see who the bone collector is it is giselle she will come in there and start up also fucking gorgeous
Starting point is 01:19:58 okay the drama that is going on is it gay panic Is it gay panic? Yes. But am I on board? Absolutely. I do think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. Gay panic. I do think so, honey. The drama going on with Ashley's husband who be sucking dick and be grabbing the asses of cameramen who work on the show. I love it when it gets meta.
Starting point is 01:20:19 Okay. Fucking. When fourth wall gets broken. Oh my God. The pregnant one serving the truth. We love this crazy one, Candace. They are all firing on different cylinders. Beverly Hills is asleep.
Starting point is 01:20:30 Potomac is wide awake. And that's one minute. Thank you so much. Oh my God. Thank you for that public service. I applaud for myself. It's actually rule of culture number three. I applaud for myself.
Starting point is 01:20:41 I have not watched it, but I went to school with a lot of people from Potomac, Maryland, and it is a very different perception of what it is than this. It is the... Franchise.
Starting point is 01:20:49 Well, I think this is the season that it's broken through. It found its voice. In a big way. It found its voice, and people, and the charming thing about it is, and it's been this way
Starting point is 01:20:56 the whole time, is that it's like, they're excessively wealthy. They're poor. Like, they're poorer than the other Housewives franchises. Yes, yes, yes.
Starting point is 01:21:04 And so, like, it'll be like a dinner party where it'll be it'll be in beverly hills it would be like in some giant fucking backyard and the thing is they they they rely on that because they don't have the real drama eggs right so in potomac it's like someone's having a dinner party it's like a fucking townhouse truly nothing on the walls just like unupholstered chair like you know i mean the last episode of potomac which was fire the drama completely happened at like a wooden table they were having like a barbecue and i was like this is it this actually is it you don't need the set dressing you do not because they give it to you down and honestly honestly it's great it is so
Starting point is 01:21:43 much better than watching whatever the fuck Dorit is wearing and then talking about Vanderpump Dogs for the millionth time get out who's the young one
Starting point is 01:21:52 who just got married um on Potomac she's gorgeous yes fucking I mean they're all gorgeous Monique
Starting point is 01:21:58 the one who's pregnant no the one who just got married um she got in a fight with Giselle anyway she oh could it be Candace? Candace?
Starting point is 01:22:07 No, because honestly... Oh! It's Candace. Candace is truly a stunning like Helen of Troy beauty. Well, they're all fucking gorgeous.
Starting point is 01:22:15 I mean, first of all, Giselle needs to be a household name. Giselle is... Giselle Bryant must be a household name. I can't really make the comparison. I don't really watch Atlanta
Starting point is 01:22:23 that much, but like, I feel like Giselle is doing what Eva wishes. Giselle reminds me a lot of Eva. Eva wishes. That's what I'm saying. It's actually rule culture number 54. Eva wishes. Anyway, thank you for that so much. And one more thing. One more thing. Yes.
Starting point is 01:22:36 There's a friend of on the show. Her name is Katie. Katie. Katie is something else. The wigs are cuckoo bananas. I just want to see these names. I mean, because in other franchises in other cities, you get those fucking Patricia and whatever names,
Starting point is 01:22:51 Dorinda, Dorit, whatever. Well, don't come for Dorinda. I'm not saying, you know what I'm saying? The names are like so like exotic and like, ooh, wealthy, wealthy. Like, you know, you've got like a Habsburg in your blood or whatever. These are women with average ass names.
Starting point is 01:23:05 Yep. Katie, Ashley. Yeah. Fucking Karen. Ashley is in some hot water too because I'm sorry, but her husband. It's all. I mean. He's gay.
Starting point is 01:23:16 The gay. Her husband is gay. Gay. Brittany Murphy. Thank you so much for that. I fully agree. This is a Pop Gold Drop podcast. What am I going to do?
Starting point is 01:23:24 Sit here I have a hard time Like devoting that much Of my media diet To Bravo Oh my god Every ounce of energy That you are spending
Starting point is 01:23:33 On Beverly Hills You gotta just take it And honestly Send a message Send a message You Bo Nyang Send a message To Andy Cohen
Starting point is 01:23:40 And say I'm not down with this I'm not down with this I don't really want To Beverly Hills. Fucking Potomac is doing it for me. Potomac.
Starting point is 01:23:49 Potomac down. Okay, all right. I think it had to do with the city. I'm like, how can it be good? It's Potomac. It's not DC.
Starting point is 01:23:55 It's not like Atlanta. It's not like a major city. It's because they had DC already and they were like, we need to differentiate this, Potomac, and let's make it mostly black. It's on fire.
Starting point is 01:24:04 It's so good. Is their money, DC money, or are they just sort of like, they're, I think like, well, some are wealthier than others
Starting point is 01:24:10 and they live closer to DC. And like, yeah, it's just that. Some of them live in Bethesda. Like, there's not opulence, but it's not relying on opulence.
Starting point is 01:24:17 Chevy Chase, Arlington, whatever, yeah. Here's Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey and his time starts now. I Don't Fucking Think So Honey
Starting point is 01:24:23 screeners, bitch. Screeners that come in the fucking mail starts now. I don't fucking think so, honey. Screeners, bitch. Screeners that come in the fucking mail. No. I had to dump that shit. I had to individually take the discs out, recycle those separately, then break down the boxes that came in, then break down the cases that they would come in. Bitch, send a fucking link.
Starting point is 01:24:39 Who cares if they get shared and passed around? Send a link for the screeners in the future. Do not ever send me a physical screener ever for anything SAG-related, Television Academy-related. Bitch, this Emmy season was egregious, and all- 30 seconds. You have destroyed,
Starting point is 01:24:54 you've basically caused another wildfire. You've basically caused another wildfire in Hollywood for this screener culture. Camille Grammer is listening. See, I don't watch Beverly Hills. I don't care. Was she Beverly Hills? Yeah. Yes, okay. Screeners, this is just my own thing I don't care. I wish you Beverly Hills. Yes. Okay. Screeners. This is just my own thing.
Starting point is 01:25:08 Just doing a link. Everyone's going to pass it around anyway. The industry is not going to hemorrhage money from you giving up these screeners. It's actually probably going to make money, honey. So I don't think so many of these screeners. I want to watch it on a computer screen. And that's one minute. Are you an
Starting point is 01:25:23 Emmy voter? Yes. I had to sign up for the Academy. I had to. Well, no, no, no. They just sent a memo out at work in February, and they were like, sign up. Honestly, let's just do Lynx. Come on.
Starting point is 01:25:36 It's for old people. It's climate change people. It's literally only for old people. It's only for old people. Because young people watch all the shows. Old people, you have to shake them to watch anything. Then let me get Eric Swalwell on these bitches and say, pass the torch. Pass the torch.
Starting point is 01:25:52 You love. Someone has to be nominating Kaminsky Method. And so Netflix got to make a physical screener and deliver it by hand. Actually, if you try to stream Kaminsky method, you get ED. You get ED. You unfortunately catch ED through the computer. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
Starting point is 01:26:12 That was good, Bo. Thanks. Environmentally conscious. I, you know, spun my wheels a bit at the end, but thank you. I'm getting back into the groove. I've had a weird journey with IDTSHs where I'm like, I don't really know. I like the last one I heard you just told a story
Starting point is 01:26:27 at a nice pace. Yeah. Thank you. Sometimes with Bowen, it's a story. Sometimes. Sometimes. Okay, this is Jesse David Fox's I Don't Think So Honey.
Starting point is 01:26:37 One second. Wow, this is, Jesse David Fox has been invited to do I Don't Think So Honey live many times and he has said no, no, no. Can we share the thing that you pitched to us? What? When we asked you to do a live show and you were like, and he has said no, no, no. Can we share the thing that you pitched to us? What? When we asked you to do a live show and you were like, oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
Starting point is 01:26:48 Jesse, we were like, Jesse you would be great. Please do an I Don't Think So Honey and he goes, I don't want to go on, I don't want to perform. How about I get someone, another comedian to dress up as me and you guys call him up and it's clearly like, you know, Joe Firestone or someone. And we
Starting point is 01:27:04 said, no. It needs to be you. It must be you. It must be, you know, Joe Firestone or someone. And we said, no. It needs to be you. It must be you. It must be you. And the offer's still on the table. Sure. I was considering the last one, but it was on Passover.
Starting point is 01:27:12 It was. The next one is on September 21st at the Bell House in Brooklyn, New York. Well, I guess we'll see how this one goes. I guess we'll see how this one goes. This is his audition.
Starting point is 01:27:20 This is Jesse David Fox's I Don't Think So, Honey. He's shaking his wrist and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. He's shaking his wrist and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey, cauliflower. Oh! So you signed with Brussels Sprouts agent and you think you could be in everything now? UTA, UTA.
Starting point is 01:27:33 Why? Because you're white? I Don't Think So Honey. Read her. She went there. It's not just that you're white, it's that what's supposedly good about you is that you're white and bland and readily available. You are every male character in Big Little Lies Season 2. Oh! Take that! But Oprah has cauliflower pizza. you is that you're white and bland and readily available. You are every male character in Big Little Lies Season 2. Take that! But Oprah has cauliflower pizza. Yeah, Oprah isn't eating that
Starting point is 01:27:49 shit. Oprah only starts selling cauliflower pizza because ruining the lives of poor people is the only thing left that makes her feel alive. Oh my god, 30 seconds! Ironically, I'd rather be dead than eat a cauliflower crust. Oh! Fried rice has been around since the fucking Swede dynasty. Are we supposed to believe that Gwendolyn Patrow's cauliflower fried rice
Starting point is 01:28:05 would meet the exacting standards of Emperor Wen? Oh, pandering! 15 seconds. Sure, there's still an egg in it, but you do not want
Starting point is 01:28:15 to know where it's been. Oh, bitch. Look, I get it. It's hard living in broccoli's shadow, just getting the pie she turns down. But this is not your time,
Starting point is 01:28:22 Glenn Close. You will never be broccoli just because you look like broccoli in black and white. Cauliflower is broccoli in Pleasantville before Joan Allen masturbates in the bath. Cauliflower is broccoli for people who have never come and I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute!
Starting point is 01:28:34 Cauliflower is broccoli for people who have never come. That is rule of culture number eight. Cauliflower is broccoli for people who have never come. And thank you for bringing rice and you were hinting at the appropriation of the Asian culture also it's like
Starting point is 01:28:49 you will never be glamour you will never be broccoli you will never be glamour you will never be glamour I considered my culture that made me think culture was broccoli I was
Starting point is 01:28:56 broccoli was like this is a thing that I like and I want broccoli every meal you were that kid well I think all kids have a relationship with broccoli that's rocky they really do
Starting point is 01:29:03 but he but Jesse's saying he loved it. I loved it. Yeah. I will say. We actually were supposed to unpack that, but we talked about Monica Lewinsky instead. I had that on my list here. Broccoli.
Starting point is 01:29:12 It said broccoli, 15 minutes. We ran and we did Monica. But I want to, if you have celiac, I apologize. You can do whatever you want. I don't have celiac. I can eat whatever I like. You know, every now and then I do like a little cauliflower grain, grained riced cauliflower base. That's very controversial.
Starting point is 01:29:28 The grain community wants to get thrown at. Oh, yeah. Grain Twitter is going to really come for you. Grain Twitter. And I will be a legend of grain Twitter. You will. You will. Jesse David Fox is really.
Starting point is 01:29:39 A huge thing right now is buffalo cauliflower. Buffalo cauliflower? Yes. You can see it everywhere. And what do you think as a buffalo fan? I think absolute, absolute. You just like the sauce. I'll eat a fucking...
Starting point is 01:29:51 Yeah, you just like the sauce. I'll douse... Yeah, anything doused in hot sauce is... I'll eat anything with hot sauce. It literally is cauliflower is there to feel like space in your mouth. Yeah. Because you can't drink sauce. No, well, I agree to disagree.
Starting point is 01:30:04 Well, actually, I don't even believe it. You definitely can drink sauce. You definitely can. I'm a big sauce drinking person. Yeah. Because you can't drink sauce. No. Well, agree to disagree. Well, actually, I don't even believe it. You definitely can drink sauce. You definitely can. I'm a big sauce drinking person. Yeah. And on that thought, it might be time to wrap up this episode of Lost Culture Readers. But here's the thing. Jesse David Fox, this was so fun.
Starting point is 01:30:18 I think this was a very superlative episode. I would even say superlative. I think we all sounded very smart. Well, and there's nothing smarter to say than we all sounded really smart. Yeah, that's what smart people say all the time.
Starting point is 01:30:32 That's what smart people say all the time. We're sounding so smart right now. Yeah, of course, the tea was spilled, culture was revealed, culture new and old. We talked about things
Starting point is 01:30:39 as current as Real Housewives of Potomac and as relics of the past as the Sway Dynasty. The Sway Dynasty. Emperor Wen. Emperor Wen. And of course, right in and as Relics of the Past, as the Sway Dynasty. The Sway Dynasty. Emperor Wen. And Emperor Wen. And of course, right in between those two things
Starting point is 01:30:48 was the Lewinsky scandal. Now we close every episode with a song. But is there anything that you would want to say to the fans, to the listeners, to the readers?
Starting point is 01:30:56 Thank you so much for listening to this whole thing. I love Matt and Bowen so much. We love you. It truly, I was like, I want to do this so I can hang out with you guys.
Starting point is 01:31:04 And this was fun. And you can, we're so I can hang out with you guys and this was fun and you can we're all gonna hang out together again on August 15th which is Padma has a comedy show again at the Bell House
Starting point is 01:31:11 and you should of course listen to Good Wife but no sooner we won't hang out any sooner than that no never see you till then won't see you till then
Starting point is 01:31:16 until then I know just what to say memory all alone in the moonlight what different key okay do it do it do your key memory Memory all alone in the moonlight. What? Different key. Okay, do it. Do your key.
Starting point is 01:31:28 Memory all alone. Why aren't you joining me? Because I'm going to come in. I don't know the words. Memory all alone in the moonlight. I can't go in the memory. Can I say another one that I thought we were going to sing? Go.
Starting point is 01:31:47 For lots of just some like a gutter boys, the boss is on a roll. You poor, unfortunate souls. Shout out Pat Carroll, the original Ursula. Oh!
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