Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "There's Something About This Guy..." (w/ Jesse David Fox)
Episode Date: July 31, 2019In this episode Jesse David Fox, Senior Editor at Vulture, joins Matt and Bowen to discuss Emmy nominations, Padma Puts on a Comedy Show, Matt as a D-List Democratic mouthpiece, MTV, and more.MERCH! M...ERCH! GET YOUR LAS CULTURISTAS MERCH!https://www.teepublic.com/stores/las-culturistasCONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistastwitter.com/lasculturistasLAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST. LAS CULTURISTAS IS PRODUCED BY EMMA FOLEY.http://foreverdogproductions.com/fdpn/podcasts/las-culturistas Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Look, Matt.
Where?
Oh, I see.
Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, I see. Wow.
Bowen, look over there.
Wow.
Is that culture?
Yes. Goodness.
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Las Culturistas.
Ding dong.
Las Culturistas calling.
Bitch, it is a fucking sop fest in New York City.
Can I say something publicly?
Yes.
No more talking about the weather.
No one can talk about it.
No, you keep going back and forth on this.
We have to be more interesting than this.
No, but this is-
We gotta be interesting.
We have to settle on the-
It's the discourse on the discourse.
It's so meta.
It's like a cloture vote.
It's like voting to vote.
It's having the conversation to have the conversation
about talking about the weather
because I keep going back and forth.
You keep going back and forth
on whether or not talking about the weather is acceptable.
I think it is.
When something is so unusual, you have to call it out.
It is unusually humid.
Look at my fucking shirt.
I know.
I'm drenched.
You're drenched.
I've never looked this way.
I've never looked this way.
I have never seen you.
I have never seen you.
And you, Bowen, one of the warmest presences.
When you sit next to him, it's like there's always a crackling fire.
Yes.
And he came in here and he said,
don't hug me, no one hug me.
I did not say that. You said this.
You put up both your hands
in our guest's face. And you said,
don't hug me, no one touch me.
I'm a sop fest.
That's what you said.
That wasn't the reading. And I would have
hugged you anyway.
That was not the reading. Then what did you hugged you anyway. That was not the reading.
Then what,
then how,
what did you say?
So our guest shoots up from his chair.
You denied him.
Our guest,
I mean,
I mean,
if I'm,
if,
if anyone were to outmatch my warmth,
it would be our guest.
I don't know about that.
shot up,
okay,
what?
She could be icy.
Oh.
She could be icy over email.
Well,
she shot up over,
she shot up from her chair to hug me.
She did.
And this was the reading.
Well, can you just repeat the quote?
What you said?
Yeah.
Don't touch me.
No one hug me.
I'm a sop-fest.
Okay, this is how I said it.
Don't touch me.
No one hug me.
I'm a sop-fest.
You love to give yourself the good narrative.
You are.
You're a victim.
You're a public victim.
Bowen Yang, public victim.
That's the title of your stand-up special.
Look, oh my God, wait.
A gorgeous bead of sweat just rolled down your face.
Did you feel it?
It was like a Sandra O'Tear.
Oh my God. It was like a Sandra O'Tear.
It was like Grey's Anatomy, but for heat.
But for heat.
Oh my God, that was so glamorood.
Glamorood.
You can't believe how beautiful that was.
Can you feel the energy?
I can.
It's a thick energy.
And can I say something?
Yes.
We only allow so many straight men.
I always say, can I say something?
I know I've noticed.
And I always tell you, you always have the permission.
I have the right to say things.
But just to address what you just said,
we only allow a certain number of straight men.
I mean, we really do.
Can we name them?
Can we count them on one hand, first of all?
Silvestri.
Silvestri, Tim Platt, Billy Domino.
Billy Domino.
Chris Redd.
Chris Redd, famously.
And we're missing a couple.
I mean, there have been other straights.
There have been other straights, but I mean...
Those are the queens of the straights, though, apparently.
Queens of the straights, and I gotta say, this guy, we love him.
You know, there's something about this guy.
When he came into our life, this guy...
This guy.
This guy, he approached us and said, I think there's something there.
And we said, we know.
We know. We know. We've been around
each other and we know. There's something about this
energy, this duo. But truly,
I mean, he gave us so many opportunities.
He was the one who
sort of opened the door for us to write recaps
for Vulture. That's true. I'm still
making those checks. I'm still making those checks.
Not you. Not me. You moved on.
I wish. I wish I could. Even. Dude, I'm still making those checks. Not you. Not me. You moved on. I wish.
I wish I could.
Even though I had, this is how in love with making money I am.
This is how obsessed with money I am.
Even though I had a full-time job, I would still wake up at, I'm not kidding, six in
the morning to watch RuPaul's Drag Race and write those recaps before I had to go into
work at 10.
I can't believe.
Yeah.
Because I'm so obsessed
with just getting any money.
So if you guys go back
and read the season 11 recamps,
just like read that
from the lens of Matt Rodgers
being completely stretched thin.
Honestly.
And being a fucking money hungry ass.
I'm a money hungry ass.
My ass is hungry for money.
Yes.
So here's the thing. There's something
about this guy. The thing about
him is he's senior editor at Vulture.
That is one of the things about him. And another thing
about him is he's not one of the
hosts. He is the host, honey.
Of the Good One podcast
presented by Vulture. Presented by
HeadGum. HeadGum and Vulture.
You know that this is something I
know very well. Presented by HeadGum and Vulture. I was one of the I know very well Presented by head gum and vulture
I was one of the co-hosts of a podcast called
What the Tuck
He was the mastermind behind it
It's now called Drag Her
And you know they continue on
And he is the man
He's such a champion for people
In the community he really is and he's laughing
No he really is he like has really
Helped you know,
showcase. He said such
nice things about us. We were on Good One.
We were. We had a 15 minute thing on
Good One because we're not big comics.
We're tiny comics. Tiny comics
and two. Tiny baby comics that get a tiny baby
episode. Not even both of us
are big enough to get a full block.
We both, we roughly
amount to like seven and a half minutes
worth of time. You know what I mean?
That's how much we are worth. After post.
After, you know. Exactly.
But that was really fun. That was so
fun and that was such a fun show. Yeah, that was
so fun. And I really love it and he really
asks the right questions. And just so
you all know, the Good One podcast has comics
come on and they talk about and dissect
their iconic jokes and their iconic bits and the material and we kind of get a glimpse into
the process it's if you love comedy you would love this podcast you love good one so and this
is a man that i would like to tickle me i would i'm sorry what i would like him to tickle me but
i think that if he were to approach me in a romantic setting, I would let him tickle me.
What if it was completely platonic?
Fine.
Okay.
That actually sounds really fun.
That sounds fun.
I bet that me and our guest would have been really good friends in elementary school.
Oh.
I bet the three of us would have had a sleepover, you know, before things get sexually complicated.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's all I have to say about that.
You're throwing out so much i would enjoy a
frozen pizza with this bitch you're throwing out something about this guy tickling sleepovers
pizza yeah i don't know i get the sense when i'm around him that we would have innocent fun
together yeah okay there's something about this guy and there's something about this guy
is the front of our title yes there's something about this guy. There's something about this guy. Oh, please welcome into your ears, Jesse David Fox.
Hello.
That was so nice.
I wanted to go forever.
You are the sweetest boy.
You're the sweetest boy.
I try.
You are.
I really do try.
You're the sweet boy.
You're the sweet boy.
And you end all your tweets with love, Jesse.
Yes.
Yes.
Because Hunter made me, and Hunter's young and taught me how Twitter works.
You were talking about the iconic Hunter Harris?
The iconic Hunter Harris.
I have to say something.
This episode will largely be about you, but now that you've mentioned Hunter Harris,
I did think, I was like, well, I bring her up, and then immediately I brought her up.
So I first became involved on Twitter with Hunter Harris when Alex Jung was coming to Game Show.
He asked for tickets to Game Show and I said yes.
He's like, can I have a plus one to bring in the iconic
Hunter Harris? And I was like,
I think I know this person from Twitter. And even he
referred to her as the iconic Hunter Harris.
The iconic she is. You have to
follow Hunter Harris at Hunter Y. Harris.
Oh my God. You will not be disappointed.
No, it's daily. Just daily
belly laughs from me.
Are you bringing something up? I'm bringing something up.
We're recording this on July
17th.
2019 Emmy nominations
came out yesterday. She tweeted
not a
single billions nomination.
I see, period.
Locking off.
And a gift of Phaedra screen grab of Phaedra Park.
She, her, so I like sort of had a private good one with her about how she does it.
She is magic.
You have to.
She has, her computer is filled with folders that are collated by types of GIFs, types of photos.
I was like, I was like, she was like, my friends make fun.
He's like, don't my friends make fun of you.
I was like,
don't let them make fun of you.
This is special.
No, it's really a thing.
She's amazing.
The queen of Twitter for me.
The queen of Twitter.
The queen.
Truly so goddamn funny.
So funny.
I'm just laughing at,
like you tweeted something,
you just tweeted the other day,
we were together,
we were just,
I was at Matt's apartment,
we were laughing, laughing,
laughing about Hunter and then you tweeted,
We were screaming.
At Hunter, why Harris is the queen of Twitter or something.
And then she quote tweets.
And all she says is the taste he has.
Taste spelled T-A with an umlaut.
S-T-E-X-L-A-N-T-E-Q.
The tostay that he has.
The tostay that he has.
Wait, hold on.
She also tweeted.
I'm going to share one more.
You bring up one.
One more tweet that I liked that is just like.
Hold on.
Wait.
This is so annoying.
What do you mean a private good one?
Did you record this?
No, no.
I literally just asked her how she did it.
I think you.
I think.
Oh.
So she said six Emmy nominations for Homecoming, a film by Beyonce, eight periods, a huge
ellipses, a moment most pleasing to me in my career.
Just crazy.
I don't know.
Well, one of those
was for writing,
which I,
which Nicole Silver.
Can we talk about this?
I think it's odd.
It's odd.
It's beyond odd.
It's her,
Nanette,
Wanda Sykes,
because this is the way
where most stand-ups
get nominated.
I'm very aware of this category. So it's her, Nanette, Wanda Sykes because this is the way where most stand-ups get nominated so I'm very aware
of this category
so it's her and Nanette
Wanda Sykes
Amy Schumer
and
a man
who was this
and Adam Sandler
and Adam Sandler
it's truly like
four Netflix specials
and Beyonce
for writing
Homecoming
which should be said
a phenomenal special
a phenomenal let's even said, a phenomenal special. A phenomenal variety. Let's even give it
a phenomenal variety special.
We'll win outstanding variety special, whatever
the next word is.
I mean, maybe part of the submission
was, I don't know, I'm not
as much of an awards wonk as I would like to be,
but maybe part of the special is submitting
some writing sample from the award.
I doubt that that's true.
But it's like, I'm sure she, you know,
all the phone, muffled phone voiceovers in Homecoming,
I'm sure she, I don't know,
I'm sure she was involved in that creative process.
Well, someone had to write that sketch with the Bugaboos.
Bugaboos, make me laugh.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Which is Emmy-worthy.
Emmy-worthy.
But I also think the Emmys like,
they like to tout, like, this got 11.
They like having multiple nominees.
They like things getting on a roll.
I don't know totally why.
So it's probably also like, well, there is writing.
It was not bad.
So, like, this is a sensation.
They want to make sure that you have it.
They want, when you look at the total nominees, like, these are the most important TV things of the year.
I get that.
Here's my problem with it. And actually, this is something where i was talking to my dad
about this today like your dad was like did you see beyonce got nominated for i forget how it came
up it probably wasn't a topic and then i just started talking about it knowing me yes um but
i was saying like it's weird that there's no category called individual performance.
Because when you watch Homecoming, what is amazing about Homecoming?
Beyonce's performance.
And yet, there is not a category that exists to reward performance in a special like that.
So even if we're calling...
You're talking about live performance.
Yes.
If we're calling what Hannah Gadsby does an individual performance,
there's no category,
right?
There's no category
to acknowledge that.
And yet,
there is this
writing category
that Beyonce gets
nominated for
when it's like,
if you watch that,
you're like,
wow,
she should win an Emmy
for this performance
on television
and yet,
there is no category
for that.
And that is actually
where I would place
all the Saturday Night Live performers, too.
Oh, interesting.
To be honest, because that is a weird thing.
Very much weird.
It's always weird, but it's nice, I guess, when...
There was a time where SNL...
I mean, there's decades where no one was getting nominated.
So it was cool when they started getting some.
But now, because it's in the news all the time,
I don't know if you've heard, Bowen,
that now they have to try out a few.
Robert De Niro's getting one for
eight minutes of screen time.
Right. Which is shocking in a way.
He submitted the Sandra Oh episode.
Oh, interesting. Which Sandra also got nominated
for. But for me, the SNL thing is weird because
it's weird that it splits off in two.
It lives under the umbrella category
of variety, but then
these nominations fall under comedy.
Yeah, you'd think there'd be variety performance.
Yes.
There you go.
And that's what's missing there.
And I think there did used to be a category
called individual performance,
which then was done away with,
and they moved the SNL performers
to competing all and supporting,
which is fine.
In comedy, though.
In comedy.
But my issue with that and
it has nothing to do with should they be recognized of course they should be recognized
but i have a i have a tough time reconciling and also knowing by the way that none of this
matters and most of it's bought but like i have a tough time reconciling like how do you put kate mckinnon's incredible performance on snl up next
to someone like betty gilpin yeah you know what i mean they are doing two different things and
also you know what show i started watching dead to me oh yeah fantastic you love it fantastic
but i don't think that show is a comedy yeah and it's 29 minutes long so it's not really a drama
it's like all these things are like blending in together
and it's just getting too weird.
And now I'm kind of thinking like,
at what point do these,
and also it's binary too,
which is weird.
At what point do these categories
just melt away
and we just start honoring performances
for what they are?
I get that that's less fun,
but you know what I mean?
Like it's getting weird.
Well, the only two directions it could go
is if it got more granular,
like best performance in a dramedy,
which I don't think is going to happen.
Or the other direction is it all gets lumped together into one monolith of a large show. But then it becomes like the Pulitzers or the other warden that sounds like Pulitzers where they're like, here's a pile of award.
The Peabody, yeah, yeah.
The Peabody, which is not fun to look at.
No.
You're like, oh, there's no, you don't know what they're being judged against.
It becomes like a fair award,
but not a thing you'd want to watch a show up.
Of course.
Right, it's like part of it is
you're seeing the faces of six,
now eight people are nominated for Best Music.
It's too many.
So you'll see their eight faces
and you're like, who's it going to be?
And then they'll pick somebody
and then they'll give some speech
and you'll forget who wins or whatever.
But that is, it is good TV.
Is it good awarding?
Who knows?
But that is why we watch it because –
It's a television show.
Yeah.
If you lumped it, then it's just literally like listing people's names.
Yeah.
Literally that is true.
You know who I think does it right is the Television Critics Association or the CCAs.
What they do is they say here are six nominations for achievement in comedy and here are
six nominations for achievement in drama and it's individual achievement in drama and I remember like
um this is an award that like Rachel Bloom has won and that and they don't break it down by gender
they do not yeah and the the the um whenever I've brought this up before as an idea some people say
you know I think rightfully so like well you know what'll
happen like it'll be all men and then the women will be underrepresented and honestly i actually
think that and you can see on these tca awards like it's predominantly women i think that the
women on television are by far giving the most exciting performances because they're given the
space to do so so i don't necessarily think it would go that way but
I think TV would work because
as you said there's more shows for women
there's more interesting roles
the roles written for men or television are the same role over and over
again which is like this man is good
and bad at the same time or whatever
but you couldn't do it for the Oscars because it would
take forever
and this is just the nature
of that industry is that the movie industry
moves so slowly.
Like because there's
such an investment
in each thing
it takes forever.
There's like only so many
movies a year that are released
so that fly hard
but TV you can definitely do
and then women would win
all the time.
Yeah.
Right.
Like I feel like
other than the sort of like
linchpin big male
anti-hero characters on TV
I feel like you're not
seeing that much interesting stuff in lead actor roles for the most part. I think there's so much more the sort of like linchpin big male anti-hero characters on TV I feel like you're not seeing
that much interesting stuff
in lead actor roles
for the most part
I think there's so much more
in male supporting roles
absolutely
and in female lead roles
and female supporting roles
I mean
you saw Game of Thrones
like they got so many nominations
and it's like
it was
for supporting actresses
tons of women
four out of the six
which is cuckoo
yeah yeah yeah
but then you look and you're like, well, they're all great.
Yeah.
But did you see, somebody posted like the breakdown of screen time that all the Game
of Thrones cast members had.
And it's like Dinklage has like over 140 minutes of screen time when you take all the season.
And Alfie Allen had like 28.
Wow.
And it's like, yet they're both supporting actors
and it's
you know what I mean
it's just
I think TV
I always think
the Emmys is interesting
because the Emmys
is voted on
by people that work
in all of TV
including people
that make the TV
we never talk about
so they like
when TV works
like which means
people watch it
so there's like
Game of Thrones
was a big hit
we have to celebrate it because it did sort of like stop time like yeah it might be the last
time we all sit down that's why i'm surprised like big bang theory didn't get nominated because
i do feel like they support like doing a good job like i feel like with like late night variety
the late night shows i feel like they often reward like successful broadcasting opposed to like
artful television
or whatever like
oh they are the best
sort of the most basic
of like they responded
to the day or whatever
it means to be a broadcaster
and I think that's
probably where like
Game of Thrones
is a big hit
let's celebrate the whole run
by seeing how many people
we can nominate
and it's like when
Lord of the Rings
was nominated for
every single Oscar
there's like
look this is only
going to happen
so many times
I feel like the industry
wants to applaud itself
for having a hit.
Right.
Like,
they want to say,
look,
we can still do it.
Like,
we're still a monoculture.
We still,
this thing was both big
and good,
which is,
I feel like a very
LA sort of,
a very,
and a very LA sort of reasoning,
which is like,
if it is good
and it is,
if it is successfully big,
that it is at least
somewhat good. Yeah, right. That you have to reward big, that it is at least somewhat good.
Yeah, right.
That you have to reward it for – it had to do something, right?
It's like Avatar.
And it costs a lot of money.
It did sort of the job of successfully employing people in the entertainment industry.
What are your favorite nominations that happened?
Oh, God.
This is so hard.
I can say mine while you think.
Yeah, you go.
I actually can't believe that Fleabag was nominated.
I can totally believe it.
Of course I can believe it based on quality.
Sure.
But like shit like that,
like that everyone's talking about
and everyone knows is so good.
Rarely.
Like rarely breaks through.
Like you remember when The Wire was on TV
and everyone knew The Wire was the best show?
Never was The Wire like up for those awards.
Maybe later on, but never.
Friday Night Lights, it took so long for that show to get recognized.
So something like this where it's like you know the whole industry stopped and was like literally the industry stopped working and it scared the fuck out of people.
Like truly. Yeah. Like, truly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You don't believe that those things are going to get recognized.
And then something like Schitt's Creek, where I just thought that had a niche fan base.
But it just goes to show, I think the efforts to diversify and include younger people, diverse people,
slowly and surely, you're seeing those things get embraced.
I think it might have something to do
with the finality of both of those things.
Because was that Schitt's Creek's last season?
No, Schitt's Creek's, I think,
Schitt's Creek is announcing,
I think has one more season.
It has five total.
But I think Fleabag, I mean.
Fleabag, it's like,
part of the narrative for Fleabag was,
this is the last season she's doing.
And it's been two years since the last one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a small show,
and usually small shows don't get nominated
because, like, it doesn't make,
usually a small show does not make
as big of an impression,
but it seemingly did.
When you sort of exist in sort of media bubbles,
you do not know if it actually is being watched
by people outside of those media bubbles.
Yeah, right.
And, like, we have written about it a million times,
but we don't,
and we have an audience who cared about it,
but we have no sense of, like,
and it seemingly
has connected people
but that's why I think
the biggest snub
was that the Hot Priest
didn't get nominated
it's so weird
because two supporting
actors just did
it's crazy
and no one was checking
for Sean Clifford
but she's amazing
she's amazing
she got a nomination
and that shows that
people did love it
and watched it
and the thing about
Olivia Colman
getting nominated
not that she didn't
deserve it
but it's like
she's like
her screen time
in this season
was like
amounted to what
like 25 minutes
yes
super small
and I can't remember
anything in this season
I feel like I remembered
but like
and I would say
it's like
oh the Emmys
like to
nominate
movie stars
but
then the
then they did not
like to nominate
movie stars
because Julia Roberts
didn't get nominated
for Emma Stone
or Jonah...
Exactly.
That is...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
To be both so the Emmys
and so not the Emmys
at the same time.
Truly bizarre.
The fact that they could have
had Julia Roberts there.
I know.
And so deserving.
Do you think Beyonce will go?
Yes.
I don't think she will at all.
Well, I guess it will come down
to whether or not
they show those categories
on the main show. I don't think they will. No. Well, I guess it will come down to whether or not they show those categories on the main show.
I don't think they will.
No, because John
Mulaney won one year
and I remember he gave
a speech.
So he must have won
for either Best
Outstanding Variety
Special or Writing
for Variety Special.
And like Patton
Oswalt won for
something.
So they usually do it
because they probably
usually do it because
that means a stand-up
comedian will say
something funny.
But they... He had that gray powder blue suitup comedian will save something funny. But they,
he had that gray powder blue suit last year.
Yeah,
that's right.
He wears a suit.
Though I,
though,
what if they bring her out and she doesn't win?
That'll be,
that's when you rig it.
You gotta rig it.
for Beyonce's, I mean,
if Beyonce shows up,
of course.
In this,
the year of Lion King.
I know,
I know,
I know.
Who wins?
Oh boy.
And then Nanette wins. Imagine Nanette winning. Michael J will fucking die. I know. And Nanette wins. Oh boy. And then Nanette wins.
Imagine Nanette winning. Michael Che will fucking
die. Over Beyonce.
I know.
Oh my. I have
my favorites. I do want to point out
one gigantic snub and I'm biased
but it's something that Jesse's pushed. Yes.
Cecily. I was going to say. I think Cecily
Strong should be nominated
and I think that it is egregious. It's crazy that she doesn't get nominated. I felt going to say. I think Cecily Strong should be nominated and I think that it is egregious
that she doesn't
get nominated.
I felt,
I saw,
I looked,
I was nervous,
I looked slowly,
I was like,
and I saw she wasn't there
and I was like,
I should have wrote a thing
because I was like,
I wrote the thing about Keenan
and Keenan got nominated
and he might have got nominated.
You're doing a service.
And I was like,
and we had talked about
doing something
and we couldn't get it to work
and I was like,
she needs to get
she does what the
she is what the show is
she does all the parts
she is
what Bill Hader
was for the show
what
what's his name
the guy from the 90s
I was gonna
Chris Parnell
not Chris Parnell
but sure like
Forte
90s
his wife killed him
Phil Hartman
yeah
sorry but she does 90s and his wife killed him Phil Hartman yeah sorry
but
she does
she does all the things
the show needs
I know
and of course
it's amazing that Kate
got nominated again
fifth year in a row
and 80 and Leslie
of course like
in the past
got nominated
so deservedly
would have been great
if they got nominated
again too
but like Cecily
going
if she leaves that show without ever getting nominated for an Emmy, I'm just like, that is such, such an oversight.
And, you know, the thing about it, too, is it's like it's tough because like I'm saying, like they don't really belong in that category.
But but yet it seems like they've made so much room before.
Like, I am so thrilled to see that so many of the performers from that show get recognized because what they do is so difficult and so gr room before. Like, I am so thrilled to see that so many of the performers
from that show
get recognized
because what they do
is so difficult
and so grueling.
And it is a performance.
Yeah.
It is performance.
Real performance.
And like,
but to see that she
is the one
that constantly gets left out
is just not correct.
No.
It's so incorrect.
I mean, she can do anything.
Yeah, she's amazing.
There'll be some sort of
karmic justice, hopefully.
Yeah.
In the future,
if it doesn't happen.
Well, she's a superstar.
She's incredible.
You know, while we're also
talking about that category
which has eight people in it,
there's no space
for Darcy Card in there.
Oh my God, Darcy!
It's a joke.
How do you watch the episode that you know they submitted
that was nominated for writing
so that you know they watch it
they're like this is good
now the writing of it is good
it's supposed to be like the writing of it is easy
but no they're like
the performance of it is what is interesting
and you know it's almost like they wrote it
for her to get nominated for an Emmy
and 8 and they couldn't.
It sucked.
It sucked real bad.
Eight.
It sucked real bad.
And that's what brings me back around to Fleabag might fucking win that category.
Because they obviously love it.
Oh, for supporting?
Yes.
I mean, I think it might win comedy series.
I don't know.
They love Barry.
They fully love Barry.
They are in love with three supporting actors.
I'm sorry, but like-
The titular Barry.
They fucking love Maisel.
They're obsessed with Maisel.
But Maisel was made for the Emmys.
It's true.
Maisel was made for the Emmys.
Sorry.
Maisel was Maisel for the Emmys.
It's actually rule of culture number 55.
Maisel was Maisel for the Emmys.
And I have to say, I love Maisel. Yeah. culture number 55 Maisel was Maisel for the Emmys and I have to say in the
I love Maisel
yeah
we fucking love Maisel
we stan Maisel
it's just crazy
because that's when you realize
how good television is
because you look at the list
and you're like
what do you mean
Darcy and Cecily
weren't nominated
get out of my way
let me see the list
and then you look at it
and you're like
oh god
I know
this is so thick
the
so you asked what my favorite because i had just per
this recording interviewed the paladinos the sherman paladinos i had re-watched the the guy
that plays the artist in episode seven in season two yes which i thought was like oh it's a great
performance but no one will notice it that he got nominated whoa yeah like the guy who plays um
the comedian obviously he was going to get nominated. I should know his name.
Lenny Bruce.
He's so good.
It's such a good performance.
But the guy that played this artist in like three scenes.
Yeah.
And I had noticed it because that scene is so good and so to how they shoot the show because they don't shoot in close-up.
So he acts with his full body.
I was like very aware of this is what I think could happen.
Yeah, it's also an Amazon thing where it's like their, their programming is pretty lean and so they're able to throw
all their money behind
to this one thing.
They gave everything to Maisel.
Maisel and Fleabag, like go.
They're like this,
I mean like they spent
so much money on Maisel.
If they didn't,
if that didn't get
as many nominations
as it did,
then they'd be like,
but it did
because it got a million for,
it got two for directing,
a couple for writing,
obviously costumes,
obviously production design.
Her incredible lead performance.
I don't know what will win because they clearly liked those shows.
Like they clearly liked those three shows so much.
It's a weird one too, because ordinarily you'd look at it and you'd say, oh, Veep, last season of the show.
Not for nothing, but it's not like Julia Louis-Dreyfus wasn't just as good as she always is, if not better.
I mean, I think she was on 11 this season.
And there's, of course, the narrative of she returned to the show after being sick.
And she's won more Emmys than, I think, anyone in that category.
But it'll be interesting.
I mean, you look at that category.
And I'm also, like I said, I'm watching Dead to Me.
And Christina Applegate is forever.
This woman, she is an icon. I'm also, like I said, I'm watching Dead to Me and Christina Applegate is forever. Yeah.
This woman, she is an icon.
Yeah.
Dream guest for the pod.
Can you imagine?
I would fucking lose it.
I would only want to talk about Married with Children.
You would only want to talk about Married with Children? Yes, bitch.
No anchorman, nothing.
No anchorman?
No Samantha who?
What was the movie that she did that was her, Cameron Diaz?
Oh, come on.
The Sweetest Thing.
The Sweetest Thing.
The Sweetest Thing, famously, Sudi Green's favorite movie.
Oh, my God.
It should be people's favorite movie.
It's a hard comedy.
Yeah.
It's like, I feel like it was marketed as like a light rom-com, but it's like a proto
bridesmaid, like hard comedy.
Yeah.
You know what?
This is,
this is just a random thing about me is that I,
for some reason I was,
I was obsessed with the marketing behind this movie,
but I never watched,
I never saw it was in her shoes.
Oh my God.
With Cameron Diaz and Tony Collette.
I was like,
I need to see this movie.
I never ended up seeing it,
but I like would stare at the poster for like 30 minutes.
You've never seen it? No. I feel like you'd really like it. like would stare at the poster for like 30 minutes at a time.
You've never seen it?
No.
I feel like you'd really like it.
You would.
I went on IMDb.
This was like early days of IMDb.
I would go on IMDb
and like read the quote section
and just like soak up the dialogue.
And I was like,
what am I doing?
I should just go see this movie.
You need to go.
No, actually,
I was probably in the closet
and I was like too afraid to go
because I'd be made fun of.
Like that's probably it.
I would watch In Her Shoes with you.
Okay, thank you.
Wait, because I saw it on a plane.
I recommend seeing it on a plane.
I've cried the entire time.
I don't know if I liked the movie,
but I was like,
this is exactly on a plane,
the tone that I want.
Oh, yeah, that's a plane movie, honey.
That's actually,
it's actually rule of code number 71.
In Her Shoes,
that's a plane movie, honey.
Shirley MacLaine.
Shirley MacLaine.
Oh my God, yeah.
What an amazing path.
Shirley MacLaine,
there's a scene where,
there's like
a running joke
where Cameron Diaz
is like in a bikini
at like the old
folks home pool
and all the men
are like
oh god
and it's like
Cameron Han
Cameron Han
Cameron Han
did she really retire
I mean
where's she at
I don't
well
oh god
she's retired
did she announce
her retirement
that's what I'm asking
yeah okay okay a few
times i think everyone was like ha ha ha cameron what was the last thing she was in that movie
where she had sex with a car no annie was after annie yeah annie was after i mean annie would put
the nail in the coffin for anybody yeah that's a real rough run wait that movie that movie where
she fucks a car like is that like the energy of it is it's that movie hspt hot senior producer
tracy is making a face she's like i'm sorry what yeah what is this it's not that she fucks a car
but it's definitely is it that cameron's fucking a car energy no she fucks a car what are you
talking about are you talking about that movie with michael fassbender and penelope cruz when
she's like how did you do that yeah and harvey Javier Bardem. Javier Bardem is telling a story
to Michael Fassbender
and he's like,
this weird thing happened.
And then he's,
then it's a flashback
and it's him and Cameron Diaz
in a car
and then she's like,
this car is hot
or something.
So hot,
I would have sex with it.
Yeah, the counselor.
The counselor.
Written by McCartney.
Written by Cormac McCarthy. Truly three years ago. Cormac McCarthy wrote it? Yeah, wrote it. Yeah, The Counselor. The Counselor. Written by Cormac McCarthy.
Truly three years ago.
Cormac McCarthy wrote it?
Yeah, wrote it.
Yeah.
And she full on has sex with a car.
I think it's 2016.
2016.
It was recent.
And I remember on those awards websites that prognosticate, she was getting a lot of supporting
actress buzz.
They were like, this is the kind of thing we want to see Cameron do.
Before it came out, people were like, this movie's going to be good.
13.
And then it was.
2013, okay.
So I think you probably
have ideas of what it would mean
for her to have sex with a car
but if I remember correctly
you would have ideas
it is not that
she has sex with the windshield
okay and I just want to say
oh my god
I just want to say
it's
how did you do that
how did you do that
it's walked so that
why did you do that to me
could fly
could run and fly even
could run
not even run
fly
wait
we have to just
prayers up to Hunter Y. Harris
because
just her
dedication
to still tweeting
about A Star Is Born
almost a year later
wait can we say
what a moment
A Star Is Born was
in the culture
in the culture
it really was
it really was
this is a cultural podcast
we have to give respect we
dedicated a whole goddamn episode to joel kim booster i remember that i was like i can't wait
for this episode i listened to it i remember where i was when i listened to that and the episode came
about six weeks late because we couldn't get joely in the studio and we we it was like there's no one
else we have to talk to joel about but wow a moment. Most pleasing to me in my career. It was...
Do you feel like the movie...
It was a rare time where I feel like...
I'm sure.
Sorry, go.
It could have been a thing
where the trailer was the moment.
I know.
And then the movie was like,
oh, remember how good the trailer...
Like Les Mis was.
Where Les Mis,
the featurette for Les Mis,
was the moment.
Where the wild things are,
like where the trailer was the moment.
Which, yes.
Wait, now we have to stop everything
and have a moment. The Real Housewives of, like where the trailer was the moment for where the wild things are. Wait, now we have to stop everything and have a moment.
The Real Housewives
of Salt Lake City
are back.
I love that.
I love that.
Oh my gosh.
Welcome.
And last season's drama
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of the iceberg.
You're recording us?
I am disgusted.
Never in a million years
after everything
we've been through
did I think that you
would reach out
to our sworn enemy?
We were friends.
How could you do this to me?
I don't trust her.
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honey
we are about to enter
the cultural moment
that is cats the film
and they have put out
the feature
I haven't seen the feature
have you seen the feature
oh my god
we should just say
it's July 17th
as I said
this is a moment
this is a time capsule
for the world
as it was before
the cats trailer dropped
before the trailer
after the feature
after the feature this is a moment this is the moment most pleasing to me in my career.
This is the moment most pleasing to me in my career.
July 17th to July 18th.
Yes, so sorry.
Okay, how was the feature?
You guys both saw the feature ad?
I mean, so it definitely
calls back to the Les Mis feature ad in that
Hugh Jackman is like, when you're acting
and you sing, it's amazing.
And basically it's replace Hugh with Jennifer Hudson and Taylor Swift, which I'm sorry, the iconography that that has, the access that that has, the international implications that that has, the power that that has.
How's Taylor?
Taylor is so excited to be on set to work with choreographers that are this good
and to just be a part of the moment that is Cats.
And Jennifer Hudson,
when she heard that she was going to be in Cats,
she said, woo-hoo.
And she will be-
This is all in the feature act?
She will be singing as Grizabella.
Yes.
And you know,
they do give Grizabella the song Memory
all alone in the moonlight.
For J-Hud or for Taylor? So J-Hud.
Oh my god. If you
gave Taylor Swift Memory, I'd be like
no. It'd be rough. But I mean
famously they toyed with the idea of giving Taylor
Swift the role of Eponine.
No, Fontina. I'm sorry.
Eponine. On my own,
Taylor Swift singing on my own, can you imagine?
I actually can and that is horrifying
and not most pleasing to me in my career but you you've like you've really inhabited taylor's
you know mind and headspace all i'm saying is they backed off of her for les mis and invited
her into cats and they show some clips of her like sort of dancing up steps and dancing down
steps and it's like really going to be something.
And Jennifer Hudson is being the oldest cat in the world.
And then the funniest thing,
the funniest thing about it is she is talking about playing like this old
glamor cat and they cut to Judi Dench.
And it's like,
why isn't she the old cat?
She's clearly the old cat.
And then Judi Dench says,
I was,
she was like,
I was supposed to be in cats.
And then I tore my Achilles tendon. And I was like, I was supposed to be in Cats and then I tore my Achilles tendon
and I was like,
I thought Cats and me
would never meet again.
I thought that was the end
of my story with Cats.
And then Idris Elba,
you would think Idris Elba
would be like above it,
but he's like,
the size of,
the scale of the sets
to be in the world of the Cats.
And then you see Rebel Wilson
walk to a door
and can't reach the door now. I will say this is going to be a the world of the cats. And then you see Rebel Wilson walk to a door and can't reach the door now.
I will say this is going to be a terrible movie.
I would not disagree.
And then James Corden is also in it.
And he goes,
and he goes,
it's technology I've never seen before
where you're human,
but you're also a cat.
And then they show,
I've never seen it.
And then they show the like computer bones of
someone dancing oh so
like you just see a
outline of a person and
then like their red
skeleton and they're go
they're doing exactly
the dance you think
they're going to do we
have to be the highest
we've ever been I think
the movie's going to be
what if you it's not
going to be good so
it'll be exactly what
you want it to be well
famously things don't
have to be good to be good.
And famously
the source material
itself is not very good.
No.
That's why
unlike Les Mis
which could be good
and should be good
which should be
should be good
had one like
probably good ten minutes
and then like
was unwatchable
this is
should be bad
so then you're like
this is
so if it does
what it's supposed to do
it'll be camp. It's got a low floor high ceiling low ceiling be bad so then you're like this is oh so if it does what it's supposed to do you're like camp
it's got it's got a low floor high ceiling low ceiling low ceiling low ceiling yeah wait whatever
i get what you're saying now like i think it will be a perfect assuming they're taking it seriously
which they are it'll be a true it's bad and exactly what it i mean if you had any suspicions about whether or not
they're taking it seriously this feature will confirm yes they are taking it seriously right
right and rebel wilson is also in it which always makes me feel like okay like how seriously can we
take this if rebel wilson is in it not saying that i don't i i fucking love rebel but rebel is
a comedy star like i'm i don't think i going to see the truth in Rebel's eyes, really.
Okay, wow.
I'm just saying.
My screen partner, Rebel Wilson.
I am not coming for her.
I'm just saying, it seems like when it came to casting,
they said, hmm, how do we go a full 10 with every role?
They were like, let's get Jennifer Hudson to sing Memory
and then
sorry spoiler alert
die
right
she goes to the
Heaviside Lair
it's Rue La Culture
now I
what's the Rue La Culture
I'm sorry
it's Rue La Culture
number 5
she goes to the
Heaviside Lair
I'm sorry
what were those words
I did not
she goes to the
Heaviside Lair
oh that's part
that's part of the show
well you know the Heaviside Lair oh that's part that's part of the show well you know
the Heaviside Lair
have you not seen it
I've never seen Cats
it's so funny
neither have I
and we've talked about it
more than anything else
it's a constant thread
but you know the
you know the idea
yes yes yes
which is
it's not really a story
it's just the things in order
things in order
okay well you
fucking stan Cats
I've just seen it once
and it was like
oh this is things in order and people come out to you like they should. I've just seen it once, and it was like, oh, this is things in order, and people
come out to you. Like, they should do it
in 3D. Yeah. So they can do the
touching. Oh, sure, sure, sure. It should be in 3D. I feel like
that's the main thing people know about cats, is that
the cats can touch you. Wait, what?
I'm sorry. Yeah, I did not know that.
HSBT is nodding, confirming.
So the main things about cats,
as I explained cats, is
the cats come through the audience, and they climb all over you.
No.
That's number one thing about cats.
Number two is the dance.
Number one?
Yeah, I think so.
Number two is the dancing is too sexy for how it is a kid's show.
I know that.
Rum Tum Tugger is giving it to you.
Those are the number one, number two, and then memory is three.
Yeah, memory is number two.
And then I think someone, and the goal is to die.
And four is Jellicle Cats.
Yeah, the goal is to go to heaven.
Yeah, they want to be taken to the Heaviside Lair.
That's what...
Okay, that's Heaviside Lair.
That's what it is.
I wasn't going to say.
Oh, we should also point out,
I mean, a egregious casting mistake
for Patty Harris and Amitra Jihari
to not be in it.
I mean, especially watching the featurette
to know that they could have had them
in the featurette talking about it
and they passed on that.
It's crazy.
And all I can say is
the next musical shouldn't make the same mistake because Bow it and they passed on that. It's crazy. And all I can say is the next musical
shouldn't make the same mistake because
Bowen and I are now campaigning to be
Flotsam and Jetsam in the Little Mermaid
film and I would
feel that that would be a moment most pleasing to me in my
career to be able to portray
Flotsam. All we can share
at this point with everybody is that
Matt sent a very
farcical text to our team. What I thought was a
farcical text. To our agents and our managers
and lo and behold
one of them. It was looked
into. It was looked into and we got
like spicy, spicy
details back. I mean, there's no
progress
but we know more than the general public
does. I would say that we know
more than you.
Yeah, you reader.
You reader.
And you, the reader,
you don't know what they're planning for the film,
but suffice to say
that this is not going to be
your mom's Little Mermaid.
I think it's a bad,
I think it's,
I don't agree with the direction.
Should we just say what it is?
Matt, you had that faith where you wanted to say what it direction. Should we just say what it is? Matt, okay.
You had that faith where you want to say what it is.
Can we just say,
let's just say,
let's just say that we might,
Matt,
just,
you're going up against Disney.
Can you believe that I would dare go up against Disney?
The irony.
No,
you know what?
We can't say it.
We can't say it.
We can't say it.
What?
Because if I wasn't allowed back in the parks,
that would be the end of my life.
We're going in August.
We're going in August.
Let me think of how,
I feel like this is a quandary that happens a lot as an interviewer
of people where they're not allowed to talk about how it was.
When you heard about
this development,
what was the feeling you
had?
Thank you, this is great. I was disappointed.
Yeah, disappointment.
Disappointment was the feeling. I would say that the feeling
was disappointment and also sort of allure. i was like well well if that's true then how do we
exactly and here's sure here's what i think we're able to say it well the information we've been
given is that there might not be an opportunity for us well that's saying's saying it. I don't think so.
Do you know what that means?
Well, at minimum,
the assumption is
those characters aren't in it
and or...
That's what the assumption
is at minimum, yes.
No.
Well, I mean, look,
all I'm saying is,
look,
we cannot confirm or deny...
Let's just make a note of this.
We might have to take this.
No, I actually love it
and we have to keep it in
because guess what?
No press is bad press
it's actually real culture number 51 no press is bad press um bad no no press is bad press yes no
press is bad press um i was true i was gonna say um but if it's if it if it means that you don't
get you're not allowed back in the parks then but, at that point, I'll get plastic surgery.
Is that worse than the fact that Disney
will soon represent two-thirds of the entertainment industry?
I was going to say, everyone will keep running into this thing
where people in showbiz, at least,
will not be able to talk disparagingly about Disney
because they will be
they will have some monopoly on everything here's what i think disney knows better than anyone
no press is bad press and i think the fact that we're talking about it this actually is building
on the intrigue that is the little mermaid because i don't know if you know this but there's a lot of
a lot of fascination about the casting of this movie. People are up in arms. People are
intrigued. Yes. I was
going to say, because I was going to ask you,
is it good press for them or
for us? Both. Okay.
And that's a relationship, actually.
And that's a relationship, actually. And Bowen Yang
actually didn't know about Halle
Bailey. He didn't know the extent of
Halle Bailey, aka Ariel.
I just hadn't heard her sing before. She's a beautiful
singer. I've heard Chloe and Halle songs, but I'm just like,
oh, yeah, okay, yeah, they're just like those two girls.
I knew she was of the
two. What happens to the, had they
split already? No, I think they're still. Is it like the Olsen twins
where one doesn't want to be famous anymore?
I don't, I think. Or is it
like they both went up against it, and they're like,
you are the more talented one. Well, I
hope that the way they're looking at it is a rising
tide. Yes.
Hey. There you go. Water. Guess who
gets a lot more clicks now? Chloe
and Halle. Sure. Chloe and Halle. And I'm just
going to say it may be
a Dakota Elle narrative
where the Dakota of the situation
the older one Halle Bailey is going to
have her moment right now and then Elle Fanning
is going to be the one who
is in Super 8.
Who the fuck is she dating now?
She's dating someone way old.
I don't know. I don't keep up with this.
I saw a picture of her and whoever she's
dating and I was like, this actually is hurtful
to me. Whoa. What do you think of the
Zach Braff? I'm going to find out who she's dating right now. We're going to
discuss it. What do you think of the Zach Braff and the other
person? The
24-year-old and he's or she's 23 and he's dating right now. We're going to discuss it. What do you think of the Zach Braff and the other person? The 24-year-old and he's,
or she's 23 and he's 44 or something.
That's weird to me.
Yeah.
Oh, her boyfriend is Max Minghella.
Oh.
From Handmaid's Tale.
And Brownface Social Network, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was in Brownface.
Yeah.
And he's much older than Ha.
Sure.
Oh, we should.
I want to.
I'm sorry Hunter keeps creeping back into this.
Hunter.
You could have had Hunter.
No.
I have her email address.
We've inquired about Hunter.
We've inquired about Hunter.
No.
Just really quickly.
Hunter tweeted.
I think Hunter broke the news to me that Chris Pratt wore a fucking Gadsden snake shirt.
What's that? The don't tread on me snake.
That's like dog whistle.
Bad, bad, bad. He's a bad guy.
Yeah, no, he's out to me.
Chris Pratt is out to me.
For being conservative.
It's not just, well, here's my thing
with, well, look. For wronging
Anna Faris. That?
Yeah. Were there wronging? Was that that yeah also was there a wronging
was that the
I feel like
she was at his wedding
oh really
yeah
I feel like
that felt like a thing of
they had a certain power dynamic
and then he also got famous
and they sort of
couldn't figure out
the timing of it
he had like
I think
it's so hard when they're
both famous people
and you can't do it
if they're both
being in movies and traveling
I mean
it looks
like a lot changed about them during their marriage i mean he went from chris pratt like
on parks and rec to chris pratt i'm the star of guardians of the galaxy and jurassic world
you know what i mean like he's a massive superstar and that what bothers me about chris pratt is you're a massive superstar and
someone calls you out rightfully queen ellen page calls you out and says hey you're involved with an
anti-gay church which he is and his response is the typical republican bullshit of whoa whoa whoa
i'm not the enemy actually i love all people which says nothing, which is my difficulty right now with all
Republicans across the board is like, you're not talking to me.
You're talking past me.
And now it's like, we're done.
There's no common ground anymore.
You're standing behind a president who put kids in cages.
And now he's saying that
Congresswomen have to
go back to their country.
It's like I'm not
in the place anymore
where I can tolerate
this anymore.
So for her to call you out
in this way and then
you pretend J.K. Law
I love all people
it's like no, no, no.
You're a part of
an anti-gay organization
so answer for that
actually right now.
No, yeah.
He sucks and
thank you Matt for that
voiceover.
Matt has been called out as a
D-list celebrity Democratic
mouthpiece. By who? By some
fucking rando. Someone on Twitter said, if Matt
Rogers wasn't a D-list celebrity
with these Democratic views, etc.
And I was like, first of all, can I say
it is huge. So you think I'm
D-list? You and Kathy.
Honestly, to be D-List.
Huge for me.
Huge for you.
That's not F.
That's not F.
Although, who's...
That would mean that you're like a C-List or B-List.
No, I'm D-List with you, baby.
I'm D-List with you.
I think that you are C-List.
The two of us can't even get more than seven fucking minutes on Good Ones.
Can you believe that literally?
It's crazy.
Shut up, shut up, shut up.
He wants us to host his Padma show.
Oh, yes, we didn't mention.
But he doesn't want to give us more than 7.5.
We didn't mention that Jesse's also a fabulous producer of live shows.
He produced the Padma show.
Padma put on a comedy show.
Padma put on a comedy show.
Happening again on August 15th. Yes, Padma put on another comedy show.
Oh!
So can you talk about how the heck did that come about i padma one day padma follows a lot of people on twitter
yes it was really strange it was i saw it happening i was like she's following these
comedians then she follows me i was like padma's into because like i understand following comedians
on twitter they are funny to follow me on, who is famously not funny. What are you talking about?
It's like, it's funny, but not
really funny. Stop it.
This is the point of, it's not
funny. This is turning me off. I don't want to tickle you
anymore. I thought I was tickling me.
Well, I was planning
on revealing that I was going to tickle you too,
but now I don't even want you in my room.
Nonetheless, so she follows me.
I was like, she must be into comedy yeah and then
the Louis CK stuff happens she tweets that stuff
and I was like Padma's into comedy
and then I just was like
we should
do a comedy I didn't know it I was like
a comedy show should be done with
Padma I would like to raise money I think
I had heard of
the organization that we had raised money
for the first time which was the Movement Voter Project I was like I want to raise money i think i had heard of the organization that we had raised money for the first time which
was the movement voter project i was like i want to raise money for that organization and i i dm
padma i was like look it was a dm even that's all i knew i was like slid in the dms i was like hey
so i think i probably said sorry to dm you but would you want to put on a comedy show and she's
like let's yes let's have a phone call
and we talked about it and immediately
she was like yes I would love to do this
god what a queen
and then immediately I was like and I'll ask this person
and she was like I'll ask Chris and she started using a lot of people's
first names and I was like this is very exciting
oh my god
but she was like yeah definitely
you know she was lovely
she was lovely
I couldn't believe how...
Yeah, she's so nice.
How present she was with each individual person.
Yes.
And how much she was like, this is so great that we're doing this.
Yeah.
And then that translated and you guys were so amazing as hosts.
Oh, thank you.
You're just so good.
You're so, like, you're so good.
And the audience was like, this is safe
and it's going to be
so much fun.
Oh.
And it was like,
It's a fun show.
And it was like,
this is,
you know,
I see so much comedy
and I like a lot of it,
but like,
what,
it was from the first,
this is the part of the podcast
where I'm just going to compliment
you guys for a while,
but when I,
when I first,
when I first saw
that I Don't Think So Honey
live,
which was now like
two or three years ago, I didn't know what it was. I just saw a show that't think so honey live which was now like two or three years ago
a while back
I didn't know what it was
I just saw a show
had 50 comedians
on the lineup
I go in
and I was like
this is correct
this feels home
these are people that I know
because it's the same thing
like when I first met
Hunter Harris
which was like
there's certain people
like I've been at Vulture
for seven years
there's certain people
that see culture the way that I do see the world via pop culture the way I do and speak that way.
And the way that you do it with both sweetness while also being so talented, which is you are ready for the success that you guys have been getting, which is a thing that is very important that I try to tell comedians.
It's like it's good to try to get opportunities, but you should be ready and you guys were ready for it. That is a thing. So that important that I try to tell comedians. It's like, it's good to try to get opportunities, but you should be ready and you guys were
ready for it.
That is a thing.
So that and that energy you brought to the show.
And then we have so many great comedians of different styles, but it all made sense.
And so after the first one, Pat and I had a debrief or whatever.
He talks like, did you have fun?
She's like, that was so much fun.
She did stand up.
Like she wrote jokes.
She did?
A set.
She definitely gave you jokes.
She wrote them down
yeah like she's a writer and her and her the her set was shitting on louis it was great i mean you
have to remember that's a talented talented talented person yes i mean she's she's done it
all yeah and so and then so afterwards i was like did you have fun it's like yes it's like would
you like to do it again sometime she's like definitely and then i was just sort of waiting
for a moment yep to do it.
You want to have enough time. So it feels like a special occasion.
And then after the,
the Alabama abortion stuff,
I sent her,
I sent her to her and her team an email immediately be like,
would a padman like to do another show this time to make,
raise money for reproductive justice?
And she said,
yes,
immediately.
Like that's been so great is that she's been so like i think dealing
with famous people you're nervous that they are like i'm being famous don't treat me like
and she's like no we're on the same team for what this thing is and she's been so good to be like
and jesse is this person that did it with like she's aware that this is a there was an undertaking
yeah and um the fact that we're doing it, which will be at the time of this release,
like a week or so.
Yeah, so I'll just say right now,
it's going to be on August 15th.
And I can tell you the lineup.
You can tell.
There's some people pending.
There's some people that will be surprises.
Right.
Some people are pending.
But the following are confirmed.
Yes.
At the Bell House on August 15th,
it's going to be Julio Torres, Roy Wood Jr., Chris Gethard, Maeve Higgins, Michelle Buteau,
Ana Fabrega, Chloe Feynman, Marie Faustin, Larry Owens, Pat Regan, and Benito Skinner.
Amazing.
And Bowen Yang and I are going to host.
Amazing.
And Padma Lakshmi will be there as well.
And I will be.
And David Fox will be flitting around.
Yes.
Telling people.
I love.
That's a good lineup.
I love going to events.
I love putting on events
and seeing people
have fun.
It's like very
It's so great.
Can I just say
first of all let me just say
Benito Skinner
aka Benny Drama
hey bitch
I heard you listen to this show
and I see you girl.
Bitch
you should come on.
Benito needs to come on
and fucking read us
for Filth Astrologically.
I love that.
I love that.
Don't you love that. And just shoot the shit
in Gab.
You will meet them
soon and then you'll get to ask them in person.
Oh my god, perfect.
I think it's time we ask the question.
We've got to ask the question.
This is the question.
The question that we ask on Las Caldrices
which is this podcast hosted by Matt Rogers
and Bowen Yang. I'm Matt. That's Bowen.
We met many years ago.
Many years ago.
We became friends and started a podcast after doing other things and, you know, various amount of success afterwards.
A lot of bumps in the road.
Yeah, a lot of bumps in the road, but mostly, mostly, mostly smooth.
Really great time.
Like, I would say I enjoy every episode.
Oh, we're talking about the podcast.
Oh, I was going to ask you guys if you enjoy every episode.
There's two I don't like.
We won't say which.
I know one.
I don't know the other.
There's two I don't like.
Okay.
Because doing a lot of podcasts, it's sometimes easy to forget you like doing it.
Oh no that's what I always say
is I still have fun doing this.
I had a run
where I forgot
that I liked the show
that I hosted.
Your own show.
I was just sort of like
I'm doing it
I was like I want you to be good
and then I didn't think
I like the comedians
I'm talking to
listen to them and have fun.
Like I literally now
have to go
you like this person
have fun listening to them talk. Yeah. I'll tell you have to go, you like this person, have fun, listen to them talk.
Yeah.
I'll tell you one,
interesting.
One thing I don't love is the feeling of anxiety when I don't know the
guest and I'm nervous about the guest.
You know what I mean?
Not nervous.
And like,
I don't think it's going to be a great episode.
Nervous.
And that like,
I really respect the guest.
Like I really want it to be good.
Like,
you know what I mean?
Like we've had some people come in here.
Like when Padma came in here.
I know.
And the Padma episode was like phenomenal. Oh my God. like oh my god she came in full black bodysuit face looking right hair bottle
laid volve clico in her hand she said i thought there was going to be an audience i said oh my
god i'm so sorry she goes no this is fine we fucking shot the shit drank drank both, and had that episode done.
Anyway, no.
That's interesting that you... And that was scary.
This is a fun little comparison moment
where I still...
I feel the same way you feel,
both of you feel,
about having the anxiety around our guests
and having to prime yourself
for this thing of like,
I enjoy doing this i enjoy
this person i'm with let's just let me just enjoy this yeah yeah but you okay so just we are going
to ask the question but just while while we're while we're here you have you deal with legit
some of the most famous people yes i mean you had jimmy fallon on your show yes and you prepare the
questions like what like what is the preparation process?
For a while it was consuming every interview they've ever done.
Wow.
And within reason, if they are a certain level of a famous person who lived in LA where they have like a lot of podcast interviews, I can do so much.
Or if they host this show, I can only do so much.
But I'll try to consume every written thing they do um so that and i'll ideally spend a week
and what i what i say is i try to fall in love with them and then ask questions to convey to
the audience my why i'm in love with oh um so but then what has happened recently is i realize
i'm getting better at pretty quickly getting a sense of what they're what i feel about them
quicker so i don't have to consume every single little thing,
but I have to get enough that I know that feeling.
I will consume all their work, definitely,
but I don't need to consume all their interviews.
Because at first you just want to know how they like to talk about certain things.
And the thing that I try, that I want to avoid,
is people have stories they fall into.
Not because they can, just because if you talk about yourself,
you don't have that many things to say.
So you're like set,
it's like, oh, what was this like?
And then they go into their story
about starting SNL.
But if you, what I try to do
is ask in my question,
use their answer that they usually give.
So I'll go like, oh,
usually when you talk about starting at SNL,
you say that this was scary.
Then I ask a question
that they've never
been asked before.
That's very smart.
That's so smart.
So once I figured out
certain things that I
try to do, and then
like I have a goal of
what I want the show
to be like, it's very
written out, and
there's an arc that
I'm trying to go.
They don't know that,
but I am walking
them on a journey.
Right.
Of their own,
hopefully where they discover
the thing about themselves that I have already realized
about them which is like the highest
compliment where certain comedians will be like
oh wow I guess my whole career has been
building to this thing
I mean this is a real master class from
Jesse for
yeah for sure
who have you been like so
gagged by
um
Desus and Mero was the most fun I had doing this
show because I wasn't I knew their work and I liked them but then I prepared a lot but they
were so good at being interviewed they won they're so funny and they talk so fast that I was like
we're getting through everything yes yes where yes. Where like Lonely Island,
I'm obsessed with Lonely Island.
Lonely Island, I think,
defines so much of what I find funny.
Me too.
But it was almost too hard
because I had so many things
I wanted to talk to them about
and how to talk to them.
And also they had been aware of things
that I've written about them.
So at times Akiva would be like,
you know, like the thing you wrote.
I was like, Akiva,
I need you to talk about this.
Right, yeah, yeah. No, I can't reread a thing that i wrote yeah um wow i mean there's i'm trying to think of
who was actually nervous for i'm nervous live yeah more than anything else and because you just don't
know what to be i was nervous anthony justin because you don't know which anthony just like
you're gonna get yeah and he was uh it was so fun yeah because he was able to both be
who he is off off mic or off stage or whatever which is like very very sweet and he like so we
would look at each other and it's very nice but then when he would answer the question to be to
the audience and he would like slip in and out interesting and he's got a he's got a real old
school performance persona yes yes and that's something I feel like I don't,
I think nowadays in this era of standup,
in this era of comedy,
I think you see really,
I think people are responding to people being who they are
because the media is so like sensitive and everything.
We know who people are,
but he feels to me like a throwback to like,
when I'm on stage,
I am performing as Anthony Jesselnik,
whereas like Anthony might be someone different.
Yeah.
And now he's,
he's playing with slipping in and out.
He has this story about someone asking him to be a sperm donor and then
saying they didn't want him anymore,
which he tells on stage where he's both like,
he gets to have this moment of like,
of course all these women who want mice.
And then while also being like feeling out this persona deals with being
turned down is really interesting.
Yeah.
He,
I,
I'm trying to think of who,
I just want to make sure I get,
I don't want to not say people
that I was gagged for.
Catherine Cohen.
Yes.
Well,
she,
the thing about Catherine is
she's like a 15 minute girl.
Right now in her career,
she's like a 15 minute girl.
Whereas like me and Bowen together, we're 15 minute girls but katherine being c list firmly yes um she gets 15 minutes let
it be quoted that matt rogers called his very good friend and she was just being c list is huge
i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm just saying i am so thrilled to be d list i'm i'm thrilled to be d as
well if you are c list you've been on snl no it's a compliment to be on the list to be D-list. I'm thrilled to be D as well. Bitch, you are C-list.
You've been on SNL.
No.
It's a compliment to be on the list.
To be on the list. To be on the list is a compliment.
Oh my God, honey.
I imagine as kids you were like,
I wish I could be on the list.
Anyway, I want to finally ask Jesse.
Oh yes, I forgot.
Bowen, take it away, beach.
Jesse, what was the culture?
Stupa beach.
Stupa beach?
Oh, so Matt and I are recording a new little, you know,
new little, what is it?
Like a pet name?
No.
Stupa beach.
Stupa beach.
Stupa beach, and you say it fast,
and it sounds like a stupid bitch.
Jesse, what was the culture that made you say cultures for me?
Ah, the question that you asked.
So when I first heard the podcast,
I thought my answer was going to be
But I'm going to say there's going to be a twist
Which was going to be
I thought it was going to be The Simpsons
I know
And you knew I would say that
And I considered Michael Jordan but then Brendan Scannell said Michael Jordan
Can you believe that?
That Brendan Scannell coming at you with that Chicago Bulls moment
But
Then I remembered.
So tell me if this is too broad and I can get more specific.
But I realize the answer is MTV.
An early 90s.
And specifically music videos first.
Yes.
Wow.
So many of my earliest memories were music videos.
And talk about some of the iconic ones that formed you.
Sure.
So I will tell the one that I think of first is I must have been younger than five because
this was the 80s.
Do you know the video for Call Me Out?
The Paul Simon video with him and Chevy Chase?
I don't know the video.
You will really.
Well, I don't know if you like it.
It again might be straight, but so essentially.
I like straight stuff.
All right.
So I like Call Me Out.
So here we have this mini golf.
So they're singing the song.
So it's him and...
Chevy.
Chevy.
And they're sitting,
and then Chevy sings the song,
and Paul Simon just sort of sits as his...
Oh, fun.
That's a twist.
Yeah, so it's like,
oh, look at adults being silly.
That's fun.
So that's an early one.
But then the memory that I was like,
this is exactly what the question is,
is I remember one day.
Oh, I love this.
And I was home all day.
Yes.
My dad comes home and goes,
what did you do today?
And I go, MTV played Michael Jackson's
Free Willy video seven times.
Wow.
And Janet Jackson's video for
That's The Way Love Goes five times.
That was my answer for what I did today.
Was not, I don't even.
What you did.
It was the culture you consumed.
It was just sort of like, I knew the culture.
I was sort of.
Pop star Jackson culture.
Yes, I was just sort of.
And it's not even like I like Michael Jackson or Janet Jackson particularly that much at the time.
It was literally like, I was just interested in MTV's programming schedule.
And I feel like that is a thing that was my career for forever,
which is sort of like,
I was always interested in the entertainment industry.
As an industry,
I feel like I always love behind musics.
I love,
love behind the music.
I just sort of like,
I was like,
oh,
someone was like,
oh,
I was like,
Michael Jackson is really popular right now.
Oh yeah.
And that is,
that I was like,
that is the moment where I'm like,
this is the thing that is,
this is the me. Wow. Cause what's interesting is in that moment you were
bundling you were making whatever like a narrative out of like the culture you consumed that day
you're like well this is the way to sum it up and here you go yeah and it was a full day i was like
this is what i did today i watched these things and it was like... And you kept track. Yeah, I just remember
so distinctly, I do not remember my dad's
response, but I just sort of like,
I just be like, this is what I did.
And then just thinking
about it, I was like, oh, this music video,
I was like, oh, I remember the Freedom
video, the George Michael Freedom video.
I remember the video for
Runaway Train. Do you know that
song? It's... I can't remember the name of the band,
but it was a song about kids being stolen.
And I was like six when that song came out.
And I was like, this is a very scary video to me.
Yeah.
Do you remember all the words to all those songs?
No, I have no memory of anything.
You're asking that because you do.
I was curious because those songs from like when i was like
five to ten are in there forever like you know that song janet jackson together again yes that
was like such a huge and i remember the video like i just remember that song come on now i
could sing every single word like i don't know what it is maybe it's because when your brain is
not like a chaotic mess,
like it is now,
but like that time of like,
I just remember watching all those music videos and like soaking up every
single word and image.
And I remember the top 20 countdowns or I guess that was the VH1 version.
I was only allowed to watch VH1.
I couldn't watch MTV,
but of course they had TRL.
And like,
I remember like every single day needing to know what was number one.
Why were you not allowed to watch MTV? Or you're just like sexy. We're like, you're like, single day needing to know what was number one. Why we're not allowed to watch MTV or you're just like sexy.
We're like, you're like, you can watch Jason Mraz.
To me, it's the definitive VH1 artist.
Well, that was a little, that was like a little bit later.
That's actually a real culture.
Number 77.
Yeah.
77.
Jason Mraz is the definitive VH1 artist.
Actually, it's real culture number 77.
Of the time.
Of the time.
Of the time.
Now it's New York.
Back when, now it's New york back back when now it's tiffany new york pollard is the defining artist oh i have to talk
about but i was just gonna say at that time it was like like vh1 was like it's funny that my mom
was like you can't watch mtv it's too sexy because vh1 was also very sexual it was just a more adult
like sensuality so my shit was like i remember
watching like shania twain you're still the one music video it was like close-ups of her like
like um sepia tone like lips like singing and it's just like draped on like a blanket and her like
like very manly sort of not mtv hot but vh1 hot love interest kind of slowly walking towards her
and like holding her and like they were smelling each other
and I'm like
this is actually sex
whereas MTV is like
da da da
dang
da da da
pussy
titties
wow
that's how that
Sum 41 song
yeah
that famously sexual
Sum 41 song
pussy
titties
oh my god
but that song
fucking
the word abortion in it
just blew everyone's minds at the time.
At the time,
everyone's minds are blown.
The word abortion.
And you know,
we haven't gotten better.
Um,
wait,
hold on.
Ray Sonny just pointed out something about,
remember like just the surreal life franchise ending at Megan.
Megan wants a millionaire because,
because one of the contestants who makes it to the final two or three
murdered his girlfriend.
But then that had a butterfly effect out for something.
Hold on.
I just, I need to look this up and then we can cut it out.
Well, the thing about those contestants is they're not well.
Right.
And they still do it.
But I'm saying like there's something about like the tv landscape now has been
directly like was it was as a direct result of the surreal life and i love money and like yeah
those shows being completely wiped away from those producers yeah that like family of shows did were
you did you watch joe millionaire you guys yes i of course loved joe millionaire fucking loved it
how the fact that that was a sensation is the weirdest part.
Not only that it was dumb
that it existed,
but we're like,
we want to watch it.
And also,
not for nothing,
but he was such a dud
and the final two girls,
Zora,
and I forget the other one's name is,
Zora ended up winning
season one.
Jo Millionaire season one.
They were such duds.
Everyone on the show
was such a dud
and yet you were like,
I'm rooting for Zora.
And it's like,
she was nothing and he
was nothing
I mean he was like only hot
it's also weird that winning meant losing
winning meant losing
truly like I'll never forget that show was
psycho
did you watch season 2?
I didn't
Europe? cause they couldn't have done it again
so they did it in Europe So they did it in Europe?
They did it in Europe where he is this like,
and I thought he was hotter.
He was so hot.
They were all so hot.
They were all so, but no, season two,
it's this fucking guy from like Plano, Texas,
who's like a cowboy.
Oh, so they then, I didn't realize they flew him to Europe.
They flew him to Europe because they couldn't do it again in America
because then people were like, no, I saw.
I just assumed it was gonna be
a European famous
no they're like
no he's an American prince
they're like
oh he's a cowboy
like it was that
he is cowboy
he's a rich cowboy
I want to marry
rich cowboy
what accent is that
I don't know
it's Montreal
it's Montreal
I want to marry
marry him
you know
what show I brought up
at work the other day
was fucking
Mr. Personality
hosted by
Monica Lewinsky
you can't forget
you can't forget
wait what
that was
the one where they wore masks
the men wore masks
and she could only pick
the winner
based on who
whose personality
she liked best
and then afterwards
when they get eliminated
they take the masks off
and some of them are hot yes And then some of them are hot.
Yes, I remember.
Some of them are hot.
And then they're like,
oh, no.
Right, right, right, right.
Some of them are traditional.
And Monica was the host
and she was like,
it's hard, right?
She was like,
it's really hard to do this.
But this was like 2001 or 2002.
Like, pretty,
like close proximity
to like the fucking Lewinsky scandal.
I mean, not far.
I didn't think about that fact.
At that point,
she is not like a celebrity celebrity.
No.
She had grown her hair out.
She'd grown her hair out,
but it's like for her to be like,
I guess I'll go back into the spotlight
like four years,
four or five years
after I was humiliated internationally.
Well, she couldn't get real work.
I know, I know, I know.
I mean, that's another part of the tragedy
of Monica Lewinsky
is that she has to do the things that she does to survive.
I only think now we as a culture are ready to say,
hmm, maybe we were full monsters to Monica Lewinsky
who was a complete victim in every regard
and was preyed upon by President William Jefferson Clinton
who, if he has anything to do with this Epstein stuff, and was preyed upon by President William Jefferson Clinton,
who, if he has anything to do with this Epstein stuff,
should go to prison.
And that should be said.
Me, Matt Rogers, Democrat.
D-list Democrat mouthpiece.
Political voice who says Bill Clinton should go to prison if he slept with the woman he, the young, no, the girl
he was pictured with
on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane,
which is a thing.
Look it up.
What do you remember
from the Bill Clinton?
I had some,
like I knew it was happening.
Oh my God.
I remember seeing her
on the cover of every magazine
with the words like fully like whore.
I remember like the way
that they painted Hillary.
I remember very little
it actually being about him oh yeah i remember it being about those women and and the cat fight
narrative and the hillary throws bill out or is hillary doing the wrong thing by standing by her
man fuck her like none of them could win monica lewinsky's life was ruined at 24 and it took
a long time for even
the most I guess
liberal or woke people
to come around and say hey we have to
reassess this Monica stuff and she even
is so scarred from it that she says
the whole feminism thing now
is difficult for her because no one
had her back
did you listen to Slow Burn?
Either of you?
No.
Oh, the Bill Clinton season?
Yeah, yeah.
So they're,
to speak upon
the feminist opinion
of the 90s,
they spent an episode on it
and I really recommend
listening to it
because it is the best
episode of that season.
Wow.
And there was a discourse,
I think there's,
they talked about
a round table
at the Observer
that had a lot
of feminist people
and they were talking about, it was at a Observer that had a lot of feminist people and they
were talking about, it was at a time
where they're like, well, she has agency.
We don't want to treat her like she's a victim.
This is just what they were saying.
At the time, this one
thing that was told to me from a podcast,
I do not want to assert. I have an opinion
about that.
But that was a narrative
that was very publicly done and also
at the time bill was one of the more publicly feminist cause adjacent presence that we had
he he was very hard line on uh pro-choice yeah he much so like and he would not budge he budged on
famously everything yes but that he would not and I think that is partly what made it harder.
It's easier now from the distance of like,
well, where that already happened.
But also that's because that was the discourse
that people wanted to have
because you probably had male editors
of newspapers and magazines like,
let's find us the feminists
who think that Bill Clinton's okay.
Like, because that's interesting.
It's not interesting if there's women
who also think that this was terrible.
And now in retrospect, you're're like all of this was fucked
and we we were too young to be complicit but everyone else well i think it was an interesting
moment because it was like i think some people felt like we have to go to hillary's side we have
to like and they thought that they were on the right side of it. But then in doing that, they were like anti Monica. When really what you had was you had a man who was ruining the lives of everyone around him.
Yeah.
And it was just like we weren't at the moment culturally to be able to say like, no, fuck him.
Fuck him.
Fuck him.
Fuck him.
Because he's a predator.
But like what is that instinct to like be protective of him?
Like, I don't know.
At the time, I think it was party politics,
and I think it was deep, deep, deep, deep sexism.
Yeah.
And I think we also,
it was like a big moment for blowjobs, right?
So like...
For me, it was a bit...
People didn't think it was sex.
For me, it was...
It was just sort of like...
It brought blowjobs into the lexicon, for sure.
I gotta say, that taught me what cum was.
Okay, keep going.
It taught you what cum was? Yeah. Can I say what I thought cum wasbs into the lexicon for sure. I got to say that taught me what cum was. Okay, keep going. It taught you what cum was?
Yeah.
Can I say what I thought cum was?
Uh-huh.
I thought cum was when you got too sexually excited, you threw up white stuff.
From your mouth.
I thought that was cum.
From your mouth.
From your mouth.
I thought when you got too worked up, and then I was afraid because I hate throwing up.
I really don't like it.
Just a little pump or two of white stuff.
Literally, someone said it's when you get too excited and white stuff comes out of your mouth.
This is like fifth grade,
fourth grade, fifth grade logic.
That's like a comedy writer's room,
like writing a kid,
and then someone being like,
we can beat that.
That's like a really first thought stupid fucking thing.
It's not that good and not that funny.
For a kid to say, you know what I'm saying?
They think cum is throwing up.
Nah.
Nah.
That would never happen. Wow.
Getting hot and political up in here.
But it actually is time to do
a segment. Another segment we have,
Jesse, you know it well. It's called I Don't Think So Honey.
Honey. I can't find this
Rae Sonny tweet. Okay. Anyway.
Just go to Rae Sonny's Twitter.
Fucking gold mine.
We take one minute
to go off on something in culture.
Ooh, I have a good one.
I have got a good one too, but yes, I will let you go.
This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey.
His time starts now.
I Don't Think So Honey, people sleeping on Real Housewives of Potomac.
Yes!
Real Housewives of Potomac is up there.
The girls are doing their jobs.
Karen, Ashley.
Bitch, keep kidding.
Karen Huger is an icon.
The Grand Dom. dom also giselle
brian is doing things that sheree whitfield only dreams she could do you really want to see who
the bone collector is it is giselle she will come in there and start up also fucking gorgeous
okay the drama that is going on is it gay panic Is it gay panic? Yes. But am I on board?
Absolutely.
I do think so, honey.
I don't think so, honey.
Gay panic.
I do think so, honey.
The drama going on with Ashley's husband who be sucking dick and be grabbing the asses of cameramen who work on the show.
I love it when it gets meta.
Okay.
Fucking.
When fourth wall gets broken.
Oh my God.
The pregnant one serving the truth.
We love this crazy one, Candace.
They are all firing on different cylinders.
Beverly Hills is asleep.
Potomac is wide awake.
And that's one minute.
Thank you so much.
Oh my God.
Thank you for that public service.
I applaud for myself.
It's actually rule of culture number three.
I applaud for myself.
I have not watched it,
but I went to school with a lot of people
from Potomac, Maryland,
and it is a very different
perception of what it is
than this.
It is the...
Franchise.
Well, I think this is the season
that it's broken through.
It found its voice.
In a big way.
It found its voice,
and people,
and the charming thing about it is,
and it's been this way
the whole time,
is that it's like,
they're excessively wealthy.
They're poor.
Like, they're poorer
than the other Housewives
franchises.
Yes, yes, yes.
And so, like,
it'll be like a dinner party where it'll be it'll be in beverly hills it would be like in
some giant fucking backyard and the thing is they they they rely on that because they don't have the
real drama eggs right so in potomac it's like someone's having a dinner party it's like a
fucking townhouse truly nothing on the walls just like unupholstered chair like you know i mean the
last episode of potomac which was fire the drama completely happened at like a wooden table they
were having like a barbecue and i was like this is it this actually is it you don't need the set
dressing you do not because they give it to you down and honestly honestly it's great it is so
much better than watching
whatever the fuck
Dorit is wearing
and then talking
about Vanderpump Dogs
for the millionth time
get out
who's the young one
who just got married
um
on Potomac
she's gorgeous
yes
fucking
I mean they're all gorgeous
Monique
the one who's pregnant
no the one who just got married
um
she got in a fight with Giselle
anyway she
oh
could it be Candace?
Candace?
No, because honestly...
Oh!
It's Candace.
Candace is truly
a stunning
like Helen of Troy beauty.
Well, they're all
fucking gorgeous.
I mean, first of all,
Giselle needs to be
a household name.
Giselle is...
Giselle Bryant
must be a household name.
I can't really make the comparison.
I don't really watch Atlanta
that much, but like,
I feel like Giselle
is doing what Eva wishes. Giselle
reminds me a lot of Eva. Eva wishes.
That's what I'm saying. It's actually rule culture number
54. Eva wishes.
Anyway, thank you for that so much. And one more
thing. One more thing. Yes.
There's a friend of on the show. Her name
is Katie. Katie. Katie
is something else.
The wigs are
cuckoo bananas.
I just want to see these names.
I mean, because in other franchises in other cities,
you get those fucking Patricia and whatever names,
Dorinda, Dorit, whatever.
Well, don't come for Dorinda.
I'm not saying, you know what I'm saying?
The names are like so like exotic and like,
ooh, wealthy, wealthy.
Like, you know, you've got like a Habsburg
in your blood or whatever.
These are women with average ass names.
Yep.
Katie, Ashley.
Yeah.
Fucking Karen.
Ashley is in some hot water too because I'm sorry, but her husband.
It's all.
I mean.
He's gay.
The gay.
Her husband is gay.
Gay.
Brittany Murphy.
Thank you so much for that.
I fully agree.
This is a Pop Gold Drop podcast.
What am I going to do?
Sit here
I have a hard time
Like devoting that much
Of my media diet
To Bravo
Oh my god
Every ounce of energy
That you are spending
On Beverly Hills
You gotta just take it
And honestly
Send a message
Send a message
You Bo Nyang
Send a message
To Andy Cohen
And say
I'm not down with this
I'm not down with this
I don't really want
To Beverly Hills.
Fucking Potomac
is doing it for me.
Potomac.
Potomac down.
Okay, all right.
I think it had to do
with the city.
I'm like,
how can it be good?
It's Potomac.
It's not DC.
It's not like Atlanta.
It's not like a major city.
It's because they had DC already
and they were like,
we need to differentiate this,
Potomac,
and let's make it mostly black.
It's on fire.
It's so good.
Is their money,
DC money,
or are they just sort of like,
they're,
I think like,
well,
some are wealthier than others
and they live closer to DC.
And like,
yeah,
it's just that.
Some of them live in Bethesda.
Like,
there's not opulence,
but it's not relying on opulence.
Chevy Chase,
Arlington,
whatever,
yeah.
Here's Bowen Yang's
I Don't Think So Honey
and his time starts now.
I Don't Fucking Think So Honey
screeners,
bitch. Screeners that come in the fucking mail starts now. I don't fucking think so, honey. Screeners, bitch.
Screeners that come in the fucking mail.
No.
I had to dump that shit.
I had to individually take the discs out, recycle those separately, then break down
the boxes that came in, then break down the cases that they would come in.
Bitch, send a fucking link.
Who cares if they get shared and passed around?
Send a link for the screeners in the future.
Do not ever send me a physical screener ever for anything
SAG-related, Television Academy-related.
Bitch, this Emmy season was egregious,
and all-
30 seconds.
You have destroyed,
you've basically caused another wildfire.
You've basically caused another wildfire in Hollywood
for this screener culture.
Camille Grammer is listening.
See, I don't watch Beverly Hills.
I don't care.
Was she Beverly Hills? Yeah. Yes, okay. Screeners, this is just my own thing I don't care. I wish you Beverly Hills. Yes.
Okay. Screeners. This is just my own thing.
Just doing a link.
Everyone's going to pass it around anyway.
The industry is not going to hemorrhage
money from you giving up these screeners.
It's actually probably going to make money, honey.
So I don't think so many of these screeners.
I want to watch it on a computer screen.
And that's one minute. Are you an
Emmy voter?
Yes. I had to sign up for the Academy.
I had to.
Well, no, no, no.
They just sent a memo out at work in February,
and they were like, sign up.
Honestly, let's just do Lynx.
Come on.
It's for old people.
It's climate change people.
It's literally only for old people.
It's only for old people.
Because young people watch all the shows.
Old people, you have to shake them to watch anything.
Then let me get Eric Swalwell on these bitches and say, pass the torch.
Pass the torch.
You love.
Someone has to be nominating Kaminsky Method.
And so Netflix got to make a physical screener and deliver it by hand.
Actually, if you try to stream Kaminsky method,
you get ED.
You get ED.
You unfortunately catch ED through the computer.
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.
That was good, Bo.
Thanks.
Environmentally conscious.
I, you know, spun my wheels a bit at the end,
but thank you.
I'm getting back into the groove.
I've had a weird journey with IDTSHs where I'm like, I don't really know.
I like the last one I heard you just told a story
at a nice pace.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Sometimes with Bowen, it's a story.
Sometimes.
Sometimes.
Okay, this is Jesse David Fox's
I Don't Think So Honey.
One second.
Wow, this is,
Jesse David Fox has been invited to do
I Don't Think So Honey live many times
and he has said no, no, no.
Can we share the thing that you pitched to us?
What? When we asked you to do a live show and you were like, and he has said no, no, no. Can we share the thing that you pitched to us? What? When we
asked you to do a live show and you were like, oh yes, yes, yes, yes.
Jesse, we were like, Jesse
you would be great. Please do an I Don't Think So Honey
and he goes,
I don't want to go on, I don't want to perform.
How about I get someone,
another comedian to dress up as me
and you guys call him up and it's clearly like, you know,
Joe Firestone or someone. And we
said, no. It needs to be you. It must be you. It must be, you know, Joe Firestone or someone. And we said, no.
It needs to be you.
It must be you.
It must be you.
And the offer's still on the table.
Sure.
I was considering the last one,
but it was on Passover.
It was. The next one is on September 21st
at the Bell House
in Brooklyn, New York.
Well, I guess we'll see
how this one goes.
I guess we'll see
how this one goes.
This is his audition.
This is Jesse David Fox's
I Don't Think So, Honey.
He's shaking his wrist
and his time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey. He's shaking his wrist and his time starts now.
I Don't Think So Honey, cauliflower.
Oh!
So you signed with Brussels Sprouts agent and you think you could be in everything now?
UTA, UTA.
Why? Because you're white?
I Don't Think So Honey.
Read her.
She went there.
It's not just that you're white, it's that what's supposedly good about you is that you're white and bland and readily available.
You are every male character in Big Little Lies Season 2.
Oh! Take that! But Oprah has cauliflower pizza. you is that you're white and bland and readily available. You are every male character in Big Little Lies Season 2.
Take that! But Oprah has cauliflower pizza. Yeah, Oprah isn't eating that
shit. Oprah only starts selling cauliflower pizza
because ruining the lives of poor people is the only thing left
that makes her feel alive. Oh my god, 30 seconds!
Ironically, I'd rather be dead than eat a
cauliflower crust. Oh! Fried rice
has been around since the fucking Swede dynasty.
Are we supposed to believe that
Gwendolyn Patrow's cauliflower fried rice
would meet
the exacting standards
of Emperor Wen?
Oh, pandering!
15 seconds.
Sure, there's still
an egg in it,
but you do not want
to know where it's been.
Oh, bitch.
Look, I get it.
It's hard living
in broccoli's shadow,
just getting the pie
she turns down.
But this is not your time,
Glenn Close.
You will never be broccoli
just because you look like broccoli in black and white.
Cauliflower is broccoli in Pleasantville
before Joan Allen masturbates in the bath.
Cauliflower is broccoli for people who have never come
and I don't think so, honey.
And that's one minute!
Cauliflower is broccoli for people who have never come.
That is rule of culture number eight.
Cauliflower is broccoli for people who have never come.
And thank you for bringing rice
and you were hinting
at the appropriation
of the Asian culture
also it's like
you will never be glamour
you will never be broccoli
you will never be glamour
you will never be glamour
I considered my culture
that made me think culture
was broccoli
I was
broccoli was like
this is a thing that I like
and I want broccoli every meal
you were that kid
well I think all kids
have a relationship with broccoli
that's rocky
they really do
but he
but Jesse's saying he loved it.
I loved it.
Yeah.
I will say.
We actually were supposed to unpack that, but we talked about Monica Lewinsky instead.
I had that on my list here.
Broccoli.
It said broccoli, 15 minutes.
We ran and we did Monica.
But I want to, if you have celiac, I apologize.
You can do whatever you want.
I don't have celiac.
I can eat whatever I like.
You know, every now and then I do like a little cauliflower grain,
grained riced cauliflower base. That's very controversial.
The grain community wants to get thrown at.
Oh, yeah.
Grain Twitter is going to really come for you.
Grain Twitter.
And I will be a legend of grain Twitter.
You will.
You will.
Jesse David Fox is really.
A huge thing right now is buffalo cauliflower.
Buffalo cauliflower?
Yes.
You can see it everywhere.
And what do you think as a buffalo fan?
I think absolute, absolute.
You just like the sauce.
I'll eat a fucking...
Yeah, you just like the sauce.
I'll douse...
Yeah, anything doused in hot sauce is...
I'll eat anything with hot sauce.
It literally is cauliflower is there to feel like space in your mouth.
Yeah.
Because you can't drink sauce.
No, well, I agree to disagree.
Well, actually, I don't even believe it. You definitely can drink sauce. You definitely can. I'm a big sauce drinking person. Yeah. Because you can't drink sauce. No. Well, agree to disagree. Well, actually, I don't even believe it.
You definitely can drink sauce.
You definitely can.
I'm a big sauce drinking person.
Yeah.
And on that thought, it might be time to wrap up this episode of Lost Culture Readers.
But here's the thing.
Jesse David Fox, this was so fun.
I think this was a very superlative episode.
I would even say superlative.
I think we all sounded very smart.
Well,
and there's nothing smarter to say
than we all sounded really smart.
Yeah, that's what smart people say
all the time.
That's what smart people say
all the time.
We're sounding so smart right now.
Yeah, of course,
the tea was spilled,
culture was revealed,
culture new and old.
We talked about things
as current as Real Housewives of Potomac
and as relics of the past
as the Sway Dynasty.
The Sway Dynasty. Emperor Wen. Emperor Wen. And of course, right in and as Relics of the Past, as the Sway Dynasty. The Sway Dynasty.
Emperor Wen.
And Emperor Wen.
And of course,
right in between those two things
was the Lewinsky scandal.
Now we close every episode
with a song.
But is there anything
that you would want to say
to the fans,
to the listeners,
to the readers?
Thank you so much
for listening to this whole thing.
I love Matt and Bowen so much.
We love you.
It truly,
I was like,
I want to do this
so I can hang out with you guys.
And this was fun. And you can, we're so I can hang out with you guys and this was fun
and you can
we're all gonna hang out
together again
on August 15th
which is Padma
has a comedy show
again at the Bell House
and you should of course
listen to Good Wife
but no sooner
we won't hang out
any sooner than that
no never
see you till then
won't see you till then
until then
I know just what to say
memory
all alone
in the moonlight
what
different key okay do it do it do your key memory Memory all alone in the moonlight. What? Different key.
Okay, do it. Do your key.
Memory all alone.
Why aren't you joining me?
Because I'm going to come in.
I don't know the words.
Memory all alone in the moonlight.
I can't go in the memory.
Can I say another one that I thought we were going to sing?
Go.
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