Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - “This Episode Features DOUG!” (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: November 3, 2021

After a successful Halloween, costume-wise, and a retreat to Ojai to observe gorgeous purple mountain majesty, Matt & Bowen convene for a sisters-only episode, and you better know that we’re including Hot Engineer Doug when we say THAT! More gems than usual from that man (who used to be a THOT! Wow! But also duh!), and much more, including: memories from classic family vacations, “Easy On Me” thoughts and Adele’s 30 tracklist, The Beatles and their impact, a re-examination of the film Jennifer’s Body after a recent viewing of the film, thoughts on this season of Survivor and Jeff Probst’s symposium on the phrase “come on in, guys”, and Matt and Bowen verbally cum about boy-pop of the aughts before celebrating television’s best music supervisors. Also, a plot update on The Morning Show, well wishes to Dorit and thoughts on the RHOP finale. Plus... Doug does an I Don't Think So Honey!!!! He is getting laaaaaaaaaid tonight! Xoxoxo bye! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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now on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts. New episodes mind us. We're just discussing whether or not hot engineer Doug was a thought back in the day. And I had a tense issue because I said he still is. You feel he is?

He's married. No. Well, thoughts can be married. Thoughts is married too. Thoughts is married too. That's actually a rule of culture.

That's rule of culture number 31. Thoughts is married too. Should we ask him what his sexual life was like when he was young yeah doug come on doug can you come in doug can you come in please can you come in please doug what were you like were you a thought back in the day do you still consider yourself do you identify as a thought a thought i do think that maybe once I was considered a thot. Wow! Oh!

It would be a shame if you weren't. I don't know anymore. I mean, come on. You guys are... Doug, you were a tall musician. Like, that's all anyone needs. Yeah. You know, maybe.

You're flattering me. Why are you being so bashful? I don't know. Tell me. How did you meet your wife? I moved in across the street from her. my god rom-com vibes yes who made the first move yeah well how did it go i helped her move some big boxes that she came in one day yeah like a stereo or something i was like oh yes we have you have an audio file you should meet her one day she's great i would love for her to sort of pop into the frame one

of these days because because it must she must be some woman to get a handle on you oh i think i'm the lucky one in this exchange but oh don't sell yourself short doug one day i i want her to come in all the time she won't do it are you uncomfortable are we are we making you uncomfortable no look at him no i like talking about my wife oh yes well you should talk about her more whenever you have a thing to say about your wife throughout this episode i want you to just come in don't wait to be invited just know that today on the podcast it's it's open door because, Doug, really, family is the most important thing, huh? I agree. 100%.

Doug, I want you to come in unprompted at least twice this episode. Oh, no. Okay. I'll do it. Can you do that? This episode's title is This Episode Features Doug. In all caps.

You guys are going to get me laid tonight this is great you're gonna tell her tonight you're not gonna wait until Wednesday for the episode drop and she goes babe I heard you talk about me on Lost Gulch my favorite podcast I mean she would say that and she will hear it on Wednesday but she might

know tonight no she doesn't he's flirting with us now I mean, she would say that, and she will hear it on Wednesday, but she might know tonight. Does she listen to it? No. Of course. Yeah. Shut up. No, she doesn't. He's flirting with us now. She does.

She loves you guys. No. Why haven't we met her? She won't come in. She's shy. Is she shy because of Bowen? No. Okay, Doug.

Doug will come back on twice this episode, okay? Yeah. So it's an open-door policy, but there is a limit of two times you can come in. Okay, Doug. Doug will come back on twice this episode. Yeah. So it's an open door policy, but there is a limit of two times you can come in. Come in a third time and I'm going to be pissed off. Okay. Fair enough. Okay. Bye, Doug. Get out. Bye. Bye. We love you.

We love you, though. I'm really happy that we did that. I feel like that was- Because you know, the readers like- They're sick of us. There's something that they get so sick of us. They just want to say, can they bring doug in because that's the guy i want to hear about they keep saying how hot he is doug is a hit he's a massive hit massive hit can i tell you who else is a massive hit this past halloween weekend my sister my sister matt rogers caused an, a gay Instagram, just a manic cascade of laughs and relatability. She dressed up as a pantry girl.

If you don't know, these are the teenage girls who live on Long Island, who take the ferry every morning to work at the Pines Pantry in Fire Island. And I think Matt really nailed their essence down. You know what? The girl, I named her Jen. She lives inside me.

She is my girlfriends in high school who all did work at the market. My sister also worked there. So I have like a deep connection to the pantry girls. I don't just know them. Chelsea worked at the pantry? Yes. Not the Pines Pantry.

She worked at Ocean Bay Park. But you know what? So many people in the comments on that Instagram post were like, as a former pantry girl, I go, oh my God. Yeah, they were coming out of the woodwork. They really were. And the fact that they have not been completely disgusted by the behavior of gay men as a collective to follow you and to be like and to recognize themselves in you i think it's beautiful i think that i here's the thing i tried to represent them as truthfully

as possible you did you didn't try you succeeded there was no i wasn't creating fantasy here you know what i mean it was just authentic grounded let's say julianne moore type performance grounded very kristen stewart spencer very i would say that my costume was the kristen stewart spencer of the year without dressing up like that at all like my performances gen was very kristen Stewart and Pablo Lari and Spencer. You were a success too though. No, I wasn't.

As spider dude. No, we can't talk about, I'm so, I have not felt this kind of shame in a while. And I think that's healthy that I like feel like not proud of something that I've done that I've executed. It's okay.

I just wanted to lift up you. I think you really, I thought so fondly of you today. I done, that I've executed. It's okay. I just wanted to lift up you. I think you really, I thought so fondly of you today. I go, Matt really did that. I'm so happy for her. The way that Halloweens usually go for me is I don't know what the fuck I'm doing until about an hour before.

And I really almost bailed on that costume. And I was like, are people going to even give a fuck? And then I was worried because I was going to have to wear the footwear all night because everyone knows those girls wear the big socks, chunky socks with the nike slide you know or like a burq or something right they're not crunchy enough to wear burqa stocks and that's

okay right no no no yeah and then what what i will say one piece of criticism i got about the pantry girls look is someone said i know that people think we show up in footwear like that but actually like there's a lot of walking and you couldn't just show up in socks and a bad shoe. You need a sole support moment. People took issue with the footwear. Yeah, they did. That's the danger of

dressing up as a type of person because you were dressed up as Jen obviously, but you were also like, this is a kind of person that is geographically socioeconomically specific right and they are i think they're historically important and so let's just let's just say this like we shot the movie fire island this summer and for people who thought that maybe there wouldn't be the representation of the pantry girl think again we can't we will

not reveal at this time who plays we can't we will not reveal at this time who plays a pantry girl we will not reveal at this time we will only say they have been a guest on lost cult they have been a guest on lost cult they have done live lost cult shows several times a favorite guest of ours but like it and i'm just going to say a performance that I felt was dropped in, that I felt represented, it got it exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, a queer legend, honestly. I've given something away.

She's part of the acronym. That's right. Welcome to the arena. Whenever anyone is part of the acronym, I say, well, welcome to the arena. Welcome to the arena. Are you ready? Prepare for battle. Prepare for battle.

Oh, my God. You know what that reminds me of. Mulan? No. No, no, no, no. the arena welcome to the arena are you ready prepare for battle prepare for battle oh my god that just you know what that reminds me mulan no no no no when we did four nights in orlando you iconically delivered the line prepare for battle and then i posed you know i was just back in disney world i know wait we can't do this i'm like there's some things going on with me lately where i'm like i feel like ariel on the grotto i go like truly like out of the sea wish i could be part of that world you are part of that world i don't know i'm like i wish i thought to myself oh god i i've been robbed i've not been robbed i've been blessed with this life but i've also been i've not been given the chance in recent years to like watch the leaves change you know like we can't willy-nilly just be like orlando trip this october i know and we used

to just willy-nilly say that we really did i just say i kind of miss that time in my life yeah but you're always gonna miss the great before i mean that's the thing is it's like you never know the good times are the good times this is a little sad but i don't mean for it to be this is just like when i first realized that like this is a this is an interesting line of work that we're in which was my grandmother passed away two summers ago three summers ago and i could i was the only member in the family who couldn't go to the funeral because i was what shooting that is rough that is really i wasn't that high up on the call sheet and like there was i just there wasn't a way around it and i was i still i remember that's a regret that i'll carry with me yeah you know

the thing is what i what i said at the time and what i believe is true is like whenever things just don't happen like like in the way you'd want it to just know that your relative whoever passes away your grandmother is so proud of you that you get to be you get that she gets to just know that your relative whoever passes away your grandmother is so proud of you that you get to be you get that she gets to you know be part of why you exist but mad this is like my the relationship i have with this grandma on my mom's side it's full fucking me nutty it's like oh i was such a little piece of shit to her growing up even though she was the best the smartest the funniest like someone who like i like we like it was love all along but like there was that developmental period in like middle school

when she like was staying with us in colorado where like i was just such a fucking jackass to her and she was all all she ever did was love me and it literally is that and then i'm just like damn you know like she anyway like this business, like you can't go for a damn funeral. Oh, anyway, you know, it's, it's, it's a little crazy how, how, um, how strict the scheduling all is. And ultimately, yeah. I mean, it's interesting that you bring that up because I was thinking the other day, I, all my grandparents are gone now, too. And I was on this family trip with my mom, my dad, and my sister. So it was sort of like old times. Core four.

That is the core four very much. So that is really where we would go all the time on family vacations growing up. And I just remember, so I was walking in Epcot. And I remember we were walking um past soren and next door used to be it's called like journey into imagination now it used to be honey i shrunk the audience oh i missed that ride so much yeah so it was like a 3d show when the dog would sneeze at you and he felt the spray oh my god yeah this is like og epcot so it's called honey or maybe not but like it was there for a while yeah but i was so this is a a glimpse, and it's going to surprise no reader that has listened to this for a while.

But I was so that kid. I used to read all the books about Orlando theme parks before we'd go. I would know about every ride and show. And I would list out, like, okay, we're going to do this, this, this. That was what I liked to do when I was like seven, eight, nine years old. You were the Rick Steves of, The baby Rick Steves of Orlando. In many ways, not every way, but many ways. But I remember I had read about Honey, I Shrunk the Audience

that there was a scary part where a snake like lurches out. Yeah, yeah. And it's 3D. So that was horrifying. So I remember we got to that show and I was probably seven and i i just freaked out like i this snake was was was getting at me like the way i am now about horror movies i was

like that as a kid about the snake and i started to cry because my dad was like i don't understand why you don't want to do this like you've been talking about it for months like we're so excited to be here and now you don't want to do this, I'm going to hear about it for the rest of the trip. And he was getting like short with me and my grandmother, who was my favorite. I mean, I loved my grandmother. Dad's dad,

dad's mom, dad's mom. And she was on the trip and she was like, I'm going to sit with him out here. And I just remember, I remember her sitting with me and, um, she just like sat with me and we like

hung out by like these jumping fountains wow this is just like I'm just saying oh my god no wow yeah I know exactly what you're talking about I know that area I just remember my grandmother being like I didn't really want to do it either so this is better for me we get to sit down and watch the water and we just watched it and my dad came out and I think he could tell he was like um disappointed that he had like snapped at me a little bit he was like well you were right about the snake and it was scary and then we walked on and we did something else but i don't know just that memory of my grandmother popped in yeah i'm sorry to make it all maudlin you were talking you were actually going to talk about orlando and how was the the trip it was a nice trip but it was also

it was nice for that reason too, because that was a place where I had so many formative memories and I actually did get a little emotional, you know, being there with my family because it's, um, you know, it's that thing where it's all the same. Well, not the same because things come, but I have that thing with Disney where I go at the parks where I'm like, I've been coming here all my life and it's still here in a way that is like monumental in your own memory like oh this is like this was the it was the biggest deal in

the world when I would come here yeah so the essences of it are there yeah and I'm like uh I mean Ellie's been uh several times Sophie went to Disneyland when they when my sister went to LA with my mom yeah um but I'm like I can to, and I did go to Euro Disney with, with Ellie when she was like an infant, but I'm like, I can't wait. Like, it'll be really surreal when I go there with the girls when they're,

you know, old enough to like really get into it. And I'll be like, wow, like that was, I was, I was them like, you know,

25 years ago or whatever. Like, that'll be, that'll be fun. There is something special about it because you see how excited kids are to be there. And then also it is just like a lot of family memories and it was just fun I mean we went during the food and wine festival where there's like the countries all have

we did that and we did that we got fucking drunk so drunk and stoned and ate every little food thing from the station yeah oh my god I love the food and wine festival it was like it was such a blast and like also the breaking news and what I wanted to like, it was such a blast. And like, also the breaking news was,

and what I wanted to tell you about was, so, you know, when we had BD Wong on, we talked about how he was acting in the pre-show of the Velocicoaster. So I have seen it and ridden it now. And it's truly crazy and good. Oh, wait, I haven't seen it. Oh, I was talking,

I've only seen him in the Jurassic Park, Jurassic World ride at universal hollywood yeah okay tell me everything so it's like the theme of the ride is like you get to do a roller coaster through like a raptor paddock yeah and it's it's it actually is funny because they do this whole pre-show where bryce dallas howard who actually serves in this pre-show is like this open air experience is amazing you'll get so close to raptors but don't worry the the ride vehicles make it so they can't touch you and chris pratt you know he's just kind of like popping off like this is a bad idea etc the classic theme park give and take and so bd is sort of in it

like talking about the science of it all and that man can deliver he is giving you and he looks so hot in the pre-show of course he does oh my god does he have like a like a side buzz like a side fade yeah oh my god yeah what a what a what a legend he's really he's really uh delivering and in any way you could you could want him to and then the ride was unreal so it was so good i can't wait to go on it with my sisteria me yeah you Yeah, you. When are we going? Well, like we said, it's not just a willy-nilly thing anymore because of our absolute careers, but one day we'll go.

We've been meaning to go for, I would say, the last 36 months. Right. Like, it's been a while. It has been a long time,

but I also think that, and this is crazy for me to be the one that says this, I do think we should go to Berlin. You know? Might be nice. I would love to go to Berlin with you

I think we would have a very fun time we've been talking about it we've been talking about it and look we gotta go and the world's ending I don't know anyway sorry I'm like coming in with bleakness you're not you're not and I also have to say like we did just go on vacation

we went to Ojai. We went on vacation, but honestly, can I say something? What? I don't feel that rested. Bowen, this always happens. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Are you having trouble sleeping?

Yes. Well, how do we figure that out? I don't know. I really don't know the solution to it. I think it'll just have a nice little i'll have a nice little lull around the holidays where i maybe get to catch up on it but this is just a thing that i need to maybe address yeah magically i think maybe maybe because that's like i mean you here's the thing, readers, you gotta sleep. You gotta sleep.

It's a rule of culture number 52. You gotta sleep. Okay. I mean, I just feel like so much is rooted in that. Like when I get a good, even solid, like eight to 10 hours, I feel it just, and this is news to no one, but it truly, you realize how important it is. That and drinking water. Well, I should say that I've been hydrating better than ever before.

And that is actually doing a lot of work. This is so boring. I'm sorry. I think maybe it's the cigarettes though. I'll tell you that. I think the cigarettes might be keeping you up. I'm kind of off of them. I was not smoking cigarettes when we were in ohio and i still

had trouble sleeping liar well it's also because i had to like get up and do shit for other people whatever well not for not for you matt and i were working on a very fun project and talking about ideas get this we were working on a very fun project and talking about ideas maybe the maybe you're about to experience Matt and Bone like you've never experienced them before. Oh my god. Different mediums that you might not expect. You're giving away too much. No, I didn't.

I didn't. I didn't. Well, listen, when you said the thing about hits in the beginning, when you were like, you said something about hits. I said Doug is a hit. You were a hit at Halloween. I was at Halloween. I thought you were going to mention another hit. Just so just to sort of talk about pop culture because that is sort of what the what the podcast purports to do it has been it has been several weeks and we talked all about how adele was going to release easy on me and since then she has we've heard the

whole thing and it's become the number one song in the world and you see today they released her track listing i did not see oh my god do you want to talk about can you can you inform me shall we read the track listing yeah is it on her on her instagram let's see adele track list so this is the track list for 30 um she has revealed it um there are there she has decided okay Okay, so get this. If you could guess who Adele is going to do her first duet ever with, who would you think it is? It won't be correct. I know like it would be someone not totally in her market,

but slightly slight overlap with it. So I would, you know, you'd say someone like a Leon Bridges, you know, like someone like that um it's chris stapleton oh yeah it's a duet it's it's on the it's on the easy on me bonus track right so it's a deluxe version moment easy on me duet with chris stapleton is a bonus track on 30 interesting um errol gardner I'm seeing as well. All Night Parking. I mean, oh, these are fun.

These are fun titles though. So get this. I think if we're going to judge based on song title, whether or not the song will be good or not, Strangers by Nature, that's a good song. Strangers by Nature, My Little Love, Cry Your Heart Out. It's honestly like that's the essence of every adult song number five is oh my god oh my god that's gonna be great well you know

we said we kind of said this rule this is this rule of culture off air and we want to tell everyone it's rule of culture number um 94 when it comes to exclamations, oh my god. Leads the pack. And it's true. I mean, there's nothing more organically exclamatory than, oh my god. Oh my god. It's like as natural as

breathing. The fact that it's three syllables and it's even more natural than something with less syllables is astounding. It's not like, oh, oh no. It's like, oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Your brain just wants to do the three syllables, all three words, all three syllables. It's a three syllable thing. Bowen Yang, Matt Rogers. Oh my God. Three syllable thing. Doug, get out. Doug, come in. Wait, was he just coming in? No, no, no. But I was saying that's an example of like a three syllable thing Doug get out Doug come in wait was he just coming in? no no no but I was saying that's an example of like a three syllable thing

oh Doug come in but Doug you can't come in now you can't come in invited you have to come in on your own uninvited so continuing to read through the track list can I get it? I hope that's not like a Britishism like can you you know don't let me down.

Can you dig it? Like the Beatles or anything? Can I get it? You know what? Okay, not to pivot from Adele too much. Okay, is there anything else you want to say about Adele? Well, I just want to say that number seven is track list. The ones everyone is really getting excited about

is called I Drink Wine. I mean, mass appeal, four quadrants, everybody drinks it. Every gender, every age group you know everyone drinks wine everyone drinks wine and i think that's the beauty of wine is that now go ahead and pivot well i was gonna say like i need to like i think it's i think i'm due for i'm sure you don't feel this way but i truly feel the pull to really and this is gonna sound so annoying but to really and this is going to sound so annoying but to really get back into the Beatles into the Beatles?

yeah you know I have the White Album on vinyl that's one of the best albums of all time I got crazy I was doing this thing with Cecily and then like one of the producers was this big Beatle head he's like Liverpool came up or something and then

Cecily was just rattling off all of these things about the beatles and i like was just there being like oh yeah that doc came out about you know let it be and that concert on the roof when they you know were hating each other and apparently this documentary talks about how it's like actual footage from that time and like they were actually in a good place but they had to like put forward this. And I'm probably butchering this and P and readers are probably seeing the dock and can attest to this, but like, it's about how like they were kind of in a decent place,

even though they were supposed to put forth the image of where there's tension, which is such an interesting inversion of like what celebrity sort of image usually is about. It's like, you're supposed to get along, but actually they hate each other. Like this was like the opposite.

And anyway, Cecily was rattling off all these Beatles facts and I was like, I used to be so fucking into them. Really? Late high school, early college, like early college was when I was like, oh wait, like Brian Wilson,

like I need to get back into like the Beach Boys. Yeah, I love the Beach Boys. So deep into the Beach Boys. And like, I was just, I'm just, like oh wait like brian wilson like i need to get back into like the beach boys yeah i love so deep into the beach boys and like i was just i'm just i think it's one of the most important pop cultural moments when absolutely well no i'm just i'm saying it when it was beatles came out with like revolver and then so brian wilson was like we need to make an album that's as good as this they made pet sounds and then paul mccartney and i was or john lennon or is one like the beatles were basically like, we need to make an album as good as this.

Like, like that little, like exchange that back and forth, like making like three incredible pop albums, rock albums. I'm like, wow, that must've been crazy.

That must've been like, you know, when Beyonce came out with self title and then Taylor came out with 1989. They were the original B and Taylor. That was when the girls were growing. Okay. So this is when Doug is going to come here.

Doug has popped in. What do you have to say? The Beatles. I mean, they changed. You're the Beatles. Were you dog whistling him? No,

I wasn't. Were you dog whistling Doug? I was not dog whistling. I've honestly been thinking about this a lot doug go ahead the beatles are single-handedly the most important thing in pop music and pop music i mean 1964 everything changed it all went so true can you school us like like can you give us like the quick quick sparks notes cliff's notes i mean the beatles every everyone knows i mean we're not saying anything new, obviously,

but I think it's important for... Not enough of us, like, millennial, Gen Z cusp gays, like, I think the children have forgotten. We know about the British invasion. We know about the ascendance of Beatlemania. We know about, you know, it was truly the first, like... Or not the first, because Elvis, but, like, it was an iconic moment of intense fandom that was felt all around the globe.

But tell us something we don't know, Doug. Yes. I mean, they affected everybody. They weren't macho. Like, the Beatles affected every culture. That's why they're the Beatles. They literally, everything comes from the Beatles that I can see. I mean, Taylor Swift wouldn't exist without the Beatles.

I agree. And that's the way Swift wouldn't exist without the Beatles. I agree. And that's the way you sort of got us to listen. Well, I'm actually, I'm going to, as the kids say, gag you, Doug. And Bowen, you must have been shook. So we were in Ojai at this restaurant. Oh my God. Doug, come back. Why did you leave, Doug?

I don't understand why you left. Doug, I'm sorry. I was talking to you. You wanted me out of here. No. We will dismiss you when we want to dismiss you.. I was talking to you. No. We will dismiss you when we want to dismiss you. These are the rules of you coming in. Come in uninvited and then

you leave when we say. It can happen one more time after this. Don't fuck up again. I've been having a lot of fun with you today. And it could end like that. Now I'm going to tell you something and don't leave in the middle of me telling you something. We went to a restaurant in Ojai called The Ranch House.

It was lovely. And we're sitting there. We have this amazing waitress. We had a five course dinner. Let's just describe the vibe. The vibe was like, oh, I bet it was trees,

the little bridges to different areas. It felt like a chic Casa Bonita. Very folklore. Very folklore. Very folklore. And me and Sudi and Matt were all like, oh, this is the kind of restaurant that probably was huge and so chic and cool in the 60s. We said that to each other.

This is a place where you probably imagine people in the 60s coming to and feeling very, I don't know, just refined or cultured. And then our waitress tells us, we're like, this is such a lovely restaurant. We were complimenting the place, how much fun we had. And we were saying the food was great.

And she goes, well, you know, there's a lot of history here. Well, the first thing she says was, I waited on Luke Bryan. And we were like,

oh, cool. And then she goes, and right over that bridge is where John and Yoko wrote Imagine. Wow. Yeah. That's big. Doug, what are your thoughts on Pet Sounds?

This isn't the Beatles, but what are your thoughts on Pet Sounds? I love Pet Sounds. Yeah, so good. Maybe my favorite album of all time. It's up there for sure. The harmonies and things are unprecedented. They went other places.

Baroque pop, you don't get Fleet Foxes without Pet Sounds. You don't get tight, tight harmonies like that without the Beach Boys in general. I mean, they didn't invent harmonies but they like it was very like i mean like was phil specter involved with the beach boys ever it just felt like very wall of sound without phil specter's taint on it i don't remember got it wasn't phil specter more the ladies of the time phil specter was more the ladies but like i think but like i'm saying in terms of like that lush lush yeah the wall of sound music wall of sound like that was like his thing and like i

feel like pet sounds was that concurrently or maybe slightly before slightly i can't i'm bad with my music history but doug what's your favorite what's your favorite album of all time do you have one do you have to top three top two i mean pet sounds is up there, Pet Sounds is up there. Really? Revolver is up there. God, I don't know. I'm putting you on the spot. I'm sorry. And you look uncomfortable. Well, it's just, it's one of those questions where you listen to something and then you love it and then somebody asks you how much.

I know, I know. That's a horrible, I hate myself for asking. No, don't worry, Doug. Why would you hate yourself for asking this man who's a musician what his top three albums of all time are? The fact that he can't answer is his floppage. It's like when people ask you who your favorite actress is or what your favorite... Yeah,

Kirsten Dunst. Let's move on. Anna's coming onto the chat. Anna? Anna what? Bye, Anna. This is just a nightmare. Okay, you know what? Doug, you gotta go. You can come in one more time later i love doug i mean he's really the star of the episode isn't he's the star his name's in the title sorry is what got you thinking of all this when she said

that because when she said that john and yoko wrote imagine at that restaurant i was like oh my god and then i realized they probably were on an absolute metric ton of something of of drugs i mean it's the most stoner slash like lsd song of all time imagine there's no heaven whoa whoa whoa but you you go up to ohai and you i'm telling you something, Purple Mountain Majesty, say that. Above the Fruited Plain, say that. It was so beautiful. I know, we were the only fruits there. Let's just say that.

There aren't that many fruits. It was a very straight energy in Ojai, that's for sure. I'm just saying there's no Fruited Plains in Ojai. I don't think. But it's really lovely. Oh, no, what got me into the Beatles thing was just like, I mean, Cecily talking about them, like really like stirred something in me. I, Kayla Sturback, my good friend from high school,

she was on the improv team with me. I hope she's doing well. I have, I've done a bad job of reconnecting with her, but she was like the big Beatles girl. And like, Kayla had the best music taste because she was the one who was like, you got to listen to the new Fergie song for delicious or London bridge or whatever.

And while also being like, do you know who Elliot Smith is? Do you know who Steven's is? I was like, this girl gets it. That's the embracing of high and low that we need in life. And people need to be more like Ms. Was Kayla,

Ms. Kayla Sturback. And she, Oh my God. She was the one to like, she was so fucking cool. And we like, we like saw Borat together and like, she was so fucking cool and we like we like saw borat

together and like she was a fucking cool and guess what was also obsessed with kirsten looked like kirsten a little bit wow like totally she was like she was like you gotta read the virgin suicides and you gotta watch it i was like like you gotta know about jeffrey eugenides whatever and i was just like this girl i she was one of those like i think let's make up a new term okay for iconic high school girlfriend well no no not even high school it's like a cultural sherpa a cultural guide a cultural like steward she was a cultural steward she introduced me i'm like my i think yang my sister is definitely that introduced introduced me to a lot. And then by the time I got to high school, it was Kayla.

Kayla told me what was up. Anyway, shout out to her. I mean, I think it's absolutely fabulous to say that someone was a cultural stewardess. That to me is... That sounds a little too service-y. But that's you disrespecting ste disrespecting um i'm not disrespecting i i'm acknowledging to call it servicey and do that little handshake you do i'm acknowledging

the power dynamic that is inherent in that outdated job title okay but but to say to say someone stewarded me through something means that they put in care into like you know service serving me something damn i guess i've really i guess i've found myself in a little little little circular logic thing but who do you have yours i think sudi was probably one of ours both of ours sudi was like a good one yeah i think sudi definitely changed the way i saw a lot of things in high school. It was, for me, it was a lot of the stuff I got exposed to.

No, I really wasn't. I, and I never really did, but I would say that it was a lot of my friends from my cross country team, which I've discussed on this podcast. Like I had older friends and like what made the cross country kids different from the kids that did other sports is for me was, was they liked classic rock and fun rock music.

That was the only exposure to Queen I ever had, which I loved. And for me, that was probably it. I would only find something if it was really popular. And I didn't have... I don't know. I didn't... I guess, you know, did I have an uncle that was cool? I had one uncle that I remember it was really important to me

that I play him since you've been gone because his opinion of it meant a lot to me. And I remember I played him the song and I said, I remember I was like 14 and I was like, it's very 80s rock, no? And he goes... Not no. And he did. He threw me a bone 14 and I was like it's very 80s rock no and he goes not no and he did he threw me a bone he was like it is very 80s rock and I remember being like yes

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We only watched old shit. We only watched old shit. Actually, things from like, things that came out between 2007 and 2010. Okay, so Reader, we watched Jennifer's Body and Reno 911 Miami, which we've recently talked about, I think, with Sarah Squirm. Yeah, both wonderful, wonderful movies. Well, Sudi had never seen Jennifer's

Body, and we on this podcast, Last Culture East, believe that Jennifer's Body is an underrated gem, and that actually it's one of Diablo Cody's best. I think that's widely agreed upon. I don't want to say that best. I think that's widely agreed upon. I don't want to say that word. People don't say that though.

Sure they do. No, there's a disrespect of Jennifer's body that happens amongst the mainstream conversation about it. They don't talk about it because, I don't know, I don't think, it's obviously not one of her more serious efforts, at least on face value, but there's a lot of very cool themes in there

that I think we rediscovered in watching it again and megan fox is great and amanda cypher it is fucking great and it's so good in it so great and i mean yeah you and sudi talked about how it's obviously like java cody's queerest movie but it's also like so about queerness without it being cheaply centered on the moment where like they make out it's like oh no you can kind of like it's also like so about queerness without it being cheaply centered on the moment where like they make out, it's like, Oh no,

you can kind of like, it's, if you think about it, it's like, no, Amanda's I freed, like that character, um,

isn't fully, maybe fully in love with this boyfriend. And that like, literally she's getting fucked by him and all she, and like she, because of this bond she has with Jennifer is only thinking about her, picturing her, sensing her as she's getting,

as she's, as she's, as she's being like penetrated. And so it's like, whoa, that is so, so rich, so great.

Like not too on the nose, like such a great piece of like queer cinema. I don't know. I think, I also think it's it it just i mean i think that they've said this but the maybe the marketing of it missed the mark because they marketed it at the time to boys because it was like megan fox was of course the huge sex symbol of that time meanwhile it's like deeply about female friendship. And, you know, I believe like queer sexuality in high school and figuring that out.

And, you know, there is a lot in there about like when a girl achieves a certain level of sexuality that men feel they can just take that from her. Because, I mean, I mean, Jennifer is murdered and assaulted in the film. And it's just, it's a really, it's a much more interesting movie than I think people thought of it at the time. And I also don't think a lot of people saw it. Because there was this predetermination to not take her seriously, Megan Fox. Right. And like, first of all, there were so many times in that movie

where I turned to both of you and I was just like, she's, wow, how is she doing that? But, which is not to like patronizingly be like, I didn't know Megan Fox

could act good. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying like, there's just such a mechanical, technical skill in that, in what she's doing.

But like, no, literally, she and Diablo Cody did like, you know, a 10th anniversary interview like a couple years ago. And it's just the two of them talking to each other. It's such a good interview.

It's such a great interview for the both of them. And they both talk about how it sucked and it was so maddening the way they marketed it and the way they, the way it tested and like all of these things.

They were like, this is crazy. Like, this isn't what the movie is and why why is it about like tits and ass when it's like about something i don't know like so much more meaningful and and nuanced and like i don't know layered yeah it's definitely worth a rewatch because even in rewatching it like i always when I'm discussing the movie, it was clear to me when I saw it this most recent time that it had been a while because I usually always say whenever we're discussing Jennifer's body

that the only part of the movie that doesn't ring true for me is the sex scene between them. But then in this viewing of it, I was like, this actually works for me because this is an actual erotic moment between them because it's the first truly erotic moment of amanda seyfried's character's life and especially in contrast with her sexual

experience with her boyfriend in the movie it it really it just jumps out and you remember it because it actually means something to her and i didn't pick up on my first viewings of this movie i've seen it at least twice before but um there's that moment where megan goes should we play boyfriend or like what was it like there's just like an illusion play boyfriend girlfriend like we used to or something like that where it's like it's alluded to and then the flashbacks it's like oh they these girls are connected through literal blood right and also through some like emotional investment where they've seen each other where it makes sense that they're friends first of all and then it kind of makes sense that they would hook up that way especially after megan's like coming off of like spoiler alert killing a guy

glowing feeling like in her element in her prime feeling like she's empowered enough to like for her it's an erotic for meg for for Jennifer, it's a neurotic experience too because she doesn't need to hook up with her. Like she's hooking up with boys and killing them because she needs to live as a demon, but she doesn't need to hook up with Amanda Seyfried's character out of necessity. You know, she literally doesn't need to do that.

And so she's, it's both of them, for both of them, it's this pleasurable experience. Like that is, and why wouldn't female sexuality be anything but that for these characters? I think it's a pleasurable experience like that is and and why wouldn't female sexuality be anything but that for these characters i i think it's so great yeah and it's funny and it's so funny a lot of it really is super funny the performances are good like even the song i'm telling you that song really and it's truly like returning a lot throughout the movie in a really fun way. The fact that it's such a good hook, like sort of makes the way that they get corrupted by him make a lot of sense.

Because he is this like, you know, Adam Brody in the movie, who's such, he's great. And he is this douchebag rocker. But then when he sings, it's this essentially like croony mid-tempo pop song that the girls swoon over and you know ultimately he takes advantage of them but it's just like i don't know it's it's just a much more interesting movie than i think people gave it credit for and also another thing that you have to think about too is and still to this day this is the case but the way movies get reviewed it really matters because and this is why we need like a diverse um population in terms of who is reviewing the films right so and the answer is not always if it's a queer movie get the queer person to review it just no because honestly they they're

often much harder than anyone else on their own representation that's a whole other thing we could digress about um which we won't but i just think probably probably what happened at the time was if it wasn't majority male movie reviewers you know seeing that movie and then spitting their opinion out on it. It was female reviewers in the context of film criticism at that time, which is, you know, you really do want to be taken seriously. And I just think so much the prism and the lens through which we see movies like that at the time, it really didn't stand a chance at getting taken super seriously. And it is an audacious script and and

she was a lightning rod figure megan fox and so i i wonder if it gets released now and i do think it holds up um how how it how it's reviewed now you know i wonder that's a really great observation really great observation you are the smartest girl you know that's not true i think the smartest girl is probably uh greta greta thunberg greta greta thunberg um wait when you when when you were um jen pantry girl jen uh you were when you were describing adam brody's band you said croony which i thought you were gonna i thought did you mean to say rooney no but they were very Rooney-esque. It was very Rooney-esque. And do you remember Keen?

Yes, of course. Somewhere only we know. I love that song. I thought that was the best song in the world. It's a very good song. And talk about big old monster hook. If you have a minute, run away. That whole deal.

Woo. I remember Blake Lewis did it on American Idol one time. And I was like, you better sing. Cause he was just beatboxing at the time. To completely date the world right now. What a great belt on that. Male belt on that song though. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So tell me when you're going to let me in. I'm getting dirty. No need somewhere to. And then. And if you. it's such a good I mean literally that like

speaking of that time you know what else I was obsessed with at the time it is one of the best pop songs ever so tell me like a couple months ago

it was like right when the pandemic seemed like it was truly ending and then the Delta variant popped up a bunch that was only a couple months ago I remember

House Schleicher like a bunch of us like we all went to thisared was there this is full four months ago right but we all went to this thing in la which was like a it was truly like a pop of the 2000s party was it at akbar or no no but i told you about it i forget i don't know what venue it was but i'm telling you a couple songs came on down sugar we're sugar We're Going Down has to be one of the best pop songs ever. It is so good, and also another

song that came on and hit me in my fucking prostate. We've talked about this. What hit you in your prostate? Mr. Brightside, bitch. Mr. Brightside? It was like as if Big Bro was fucking me again.

Really? talk about this talk about the synesthesia of hearing the song and feeling that you were getting penetrated coming out of my cage and i've been doing just fine god i gotta be down because i want it all so you're saying there's like a kinetic energy to i mean that okay hot fuss that is that is one of the best that is one of the best albums of that decade. 100%. They were so good. And all these things that I've done. Love.

I mean, I thought that was the best time. Truth and hearts. And that guitar, just that instrumental stretch. Yeah. I want to stand up. I want to let go.

Yes. So good. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, to let go yes so good no no no no you don't oh my god yeah that that that was a really good era and at the time i was like afraid of panic at the disco but then they they played like i write sins not tragedies um at the event and i was like wow this is something that is important so So good. And Smile Like You Mean It. I'm sorry, I'm still on The Killers. Oh, yeah, but I'm just talking about holistically as a time period of music. That was truly, talk about like,

that was formative music for us. I mean, being in high school, you never forget. Like, everyone's going to have that. That's just it for us. It's the attachment in that critical time and love that the kids have these these these this music now because i think it's it is a very good time in music but something so precious and nostalgic not to wax too wistful about it but it's so oh it's so powerful i'm gonna make like i'm gonna

make a playlist you're so good at making play you know that one of everyone all the readers that know any they know a thing know that one of bowen yang's superpowers you have the gay power of playlist but can i it is one of the gay powers can i just say though lately i've felt very self-conscious about this thing that i do where i'm like who am i to be so histrionic to think i'm gonna put together songs that other people have made and kind of curate them. Oh God, that word. Yeah, but in doing that, you're not saying I'm a curator of something. You're just saying, or in that it's like something where it's like, now take me seriously.

No. You're doing something that you enjoy and sharing it. Just look at it like that. And lately I've been doing fun little moves. I did my boss battle music. I did, I've done like city pop stuff like everyone already knows about everyone i love it when you do that i'm saying people know about city pop outside of this podcast um but i think i i think we need to make like early like mid-aughts when we were in high school that music we've

talked about like taking back sunday i feel like this is a different this is a slightly different adjacent area yeah where it's like honestly not ashamed to admit it was obsessed with switchfoot oh love switchfoot especially after a while to remember it's like that was like switchfoot yeah i liked them too because they did because they did a cover of only hope yes they did and then he fucking goes for the belt on the bridge. Well, he can sing that guy. At the top of my lungs, I'm bringing it back. Yeah. So good. Like today never happened. I mean, there's so much

because it's just like, and again, I wish I hadn't been so afraid to like what I liked truly in high school because I would have genuinely liked that and other people liked that too. Yeah, because they were the only thing i really was like no i don't like them despite the fact that i probably did was like was panic and good charlotte because it was the emo of it all loved good charlotte right but the emo of it all was not something that i could come to liking at the

time for some reason for whatever reason no that makes sense but i mean god i just i just uh yeah what a what a what a fun little time like like kind of like matched oh my god did you ever listen to stars what is stars uh uh your ex um set yourself on fire your ex lover is dead oh i don't know this oh my you've stumbled on one of my blind spots. Oh, you're going to fucking freak. If you're in the mindset to go back to that time, this is like something, I don't think they were ever on Grey's in like the early seasons,

but like it would be like something that they would play on Grey's when like, you know, like Derek and Meredith would like pass over each other in the hallway. Right, so my favorite type of music. Basically, my favorite type of music was Grey's Anatomy climax scene. Well, so my favorite type of music. Basically, my favorite type of music was

Grey's Anatomy climax scene. Well, can you... Okay, so the music... Literally. I think we've talked about it before on the pod. Alex Pistavas,

I'm not even looking at anything, I can just recall her name. Music supervisor for Grey's Anatomy for many seasons. I don't think she works there anymore.

But she was also the music supervisor on The O.C. A perfect woman. A perfect woman, but like, truly someone who crafted musical sensibilities and

a literal tastemaker. Absolutely. Was soundtracking all of our teenage years alongside Ryan and Marissa and everybody, you know, and Seth and, oh my god, what was it? Summer!

Summer, Summer. Perfect music for that show. Yeah. What an important job. If you're a music supervisor and you do that job well, that can be one of the most impactful jobs in showbiz. Yeah. I think that, I mean, the music of any project is like so,

like I remember when Jared was putting his movie together, and we were talking about the music so much, and he loves music so much, and so I'm so excited about the musical element of Three Months, especially because Troye Sivan is starring in it. Actually, I've heard some of the music that he's done for it, and it's so good. I think Jared played me one song.

He did. And I was like, whoa. Yeah, it's really good. Really good, yeah. People should be excited about what Troye Sivan is going to bring in the next year, which is really super exciting. It's really good. People should be excited about what Troye Sivan is going to bring in the next year. Which is really super exciting.

Saying something. Because we've been excited for many years. I've loved Troye since I first fucking saw him. When I saw a little Twinkie pop star who was just... When he was on SNL and just fully giving it... That was Bloom era? Yeah. I was loving Troye even before that.

Since Blue Neighborhood. The song Blue Neighborhood is so good. that was bloom era yeah but i i was loving troy even before that oh yeah since blue neighborhood yeah blue neighborhood is oh blue neighbor the song blue neighborhood is so good yeah anyway sorry but um troy talking about troy i mean i'm just saying like everyone should be should be psyched about the turn that troy's career is about to take because it's gonna be very very cool okay so wait i'm loving living in this nostalgia era and i know but i i also feel that it's a connector because one thing that's resumed this year which we're both into we haven't talked about yet survivor is survivor so this episode pissed me off because there wasn't a tribal there was no tribal at the end but a fun twist but a fun twist that might not actually

have much consequence i think it'll be like a nothing burger by the next episode are we both loving this i mean the season has I mean, the season has a main character. The season has a main character. Her name is Shan, also known as the Mafia Pastor. Yeah. I mean, one of the most compelling bio packages you could ask for in reality television. I mean, literally, I'm loving

what they're doing narratively with the season because I feel like you're really getting to know all the quick characters as it were. And they're doing this thing where like in the narrative, they'll drop it all away and you'll see like footage from their old life. They never used to do that. Very Great British Bake Off. Yeah.

Yeah. It seems like maybe the show was being edited by a different person or the whole series has a different take on what it's doing in a way that I'm really enjoying. I'm loving the season. I think they really took it seriously. They were like, after 40, let's reset it in some way. Not hard reset, but let's reset it in some small aesthetic ways

that will actually make a big impact. And narratively, I think that is really reverberating. And I was saying when you were like, you're getting to know these people, we're only like six episodes in. Oh, yeah. It's early days. I mean, we got to the merge, but it's early days. you're getting to know these people. We're only like six episodes in. It's early days. I mean, we got to the merge, but it's early days. And I'm like, but I feel like I kind of have a read on these people.

And I think there's room to be surprised and delighted and shocked. But I feel like I'm already really attached to these people. Well, you know, you notice now more than ever that casting is everything. Huge. Because the people on this season of season of survivor they're all interesting and dynamic and it's also the most than what we should say it is the most diverse group there's ever been yeah so that's been a real strength of it but

it's also like you compare it to this season of drag race uk it's like oh no it's that just goes to show like a whole season of television television can live and die on casting. Well, literally. I mean, All-Stars 2 is a perfect example. You had stacked people on that cast. Yeah, I mean, US season 13. Incredible cast. Incredible casting.

And for an All-Stars season of a show, that's different because you're pulling from past contestants. But but you know this is so and i think they did a great job on survivor this season yeah i think jeff really likes them if that means anything i'm loving jeff this season he is on one and i love it love that can you just name another legend we don't stand too many straight white cis men cis men on this pod he would be maybe we do i'm sure we do do you think he would ever come to this show he wouldn't get it he would yeah he knows how to talk to a queer person clearly so right like there's there's been queers on the show since season one okay do you remember in the first episode when he was like that was the whole

compendium on the compendium on guys when that was happening i was like i kind of was rolling my eyes because i'm like is this performed and then i was like no you know what i'm still knowing that i know knowing that i what i know about this person like yeah is is this definitely happening on cbs in a way where it's like look at us having the conversation sure but also i bet he genuinely wants to respect everyone on that show. He wants to know. And not for any, like, eye roll compulsory, oh, I gotta do this. I think he's genuinely, like, I'm fascinated by people. Yeah.

Especially people who want to do this show, and I want to make sure I, like, have a care and a consideration into, like, how I talk to these people as a group and individually. Like, he's, God, like he's like, he is the reality show host. Yeah. I mean, if he were still like eligible

for the Emmy, like I don't, I mean, maybe people have just kind of feel like they've seen Survivor, but Lifetime Achievement Awards. He's won a couple in the beginning, but he took himself out. But the thing too,

for people that don't know what we're talking about, in the very first episode of this season of Survivor, he said, well, you know, one of my iconic things I say is, come on in, guys. And he then put to the cast, the second they get on the boat, and they're first all introduced, he's like,

who has a problem with me saying, come on in, guys? Because if one person does, I won't say it anymore. I want to move forward. I want this show to adapt and evolve and change in a fully well intentioned way and no one said anything well the one queer woman was not the one queer woman but one of the queer women

Evie you know what I believe that they're non-binary they refer to themselves as a woman they did refer to themselves as a queer woman but I believe in press materials after the show that they're non-binary. So let's just refer to them as they, and say,

they said that they did not have a problem with come on guys. It's a colloquialism. Then later in the episode, another queer, another queer contestant, Ricard said, I thought about what you said, and I don't think we need come on guys and

so jeff has retired come on guys just like that in a way that was not like begrudging literally he made the terms clear if one person has an issue with it i will not say it anymore and then one person said it and was and then he was like in a different at a different time yeah and he was like okay great What if he had been like, actually, that was a thing for yesterday and you took too long. So I'm going to keep saying it. I mean,

this is, I mean, I think he, his brain is on another level because to, to comment, to commentate or whatever on the actual challenges, the way he does for his has done for two decades at this point, that takes like such a skill,

such an awareness of how entertainment is communicated, of how to tell a story. Right. I just think he's a genius. And you know, the fact is, they don't always get it right on that show. There have been whole seasons of the show which are unwatchable because of the way they bungle certain social issues i'm thinking specifically

about season 39 with um you know kelly kim being assaulted and that he was not taken off right away but or fucking what's her face the the the cops rs girl well yeah i mean you know that's a whole thing and i would tell sarah but the fact is cbs i don't think there probably is a more conservative viewership like there's a loyal viewership of cbs which is older and now which is why they have ncis fucking right every city and the csis and all that and the impact is huge on survivor right and so this is still a very widely watched show. And so the fact that that conversation happened, even if I thought to myself, like, who are they doing this for? The fact that that conversation is happening on a show like that,

that's, it is important. And I do see the value in it. I'm sure there was, I mean, there was like blowback from like... There was. Ricard was saying he got a lot of hate for bringing it up again. But honestly, I'm sure I'm positive. In fact, I probably remember reading this that week that a lot of

queer people who watched Reverby and like, oh my god, what a fucking eye roll. And then it's like, well then it sucks. It's like they're damned if they do and they're damned if they don't. That's kind of what I'm saying about as queer people, maybe that moment actually isn't for us as much as it is for people.

It's not for me. It's not for me at all. I'm like, you know what? I will say in publicly that I will every now and then throw around a guy is when I know I'm in mixed company. I do too. In terms of,

in terms of gender. And I'm just like, I would think that, I don't know. I mean, that's not up to me to say, but like, I'm not even asking myself that question the way that Jeff is.

And I'm sure a lot of other people identify with this. Like it's, it's, it feels like excessive or gratuitous or something. And I don't know. I think about that Waham episode all the fucking time from Sherelle. The episode that Sudi wrote that you were in. I talked about it with Vanessa the other day.

I was like, I think about that episode all the time where it's like sometimes when you think something is for you, it might not be and that's okay. Yeah. And it's for someone who needs to hear this because they don't have the same sort of

social environment contours their their awareness is not is not as filled in as yours you know like right that that's what we're that's what we have here well i remember when because i we were watching separately obviously but when when it got to that point in the episode i texted you and i said i think i said something like lol this compendium on guys and i was like what do you think about this and you were like it's eye roll but i guess it's not for me to say and i then i realized i was like yes it's actually not for us to say it's for someone who wants it changed to speak up and say and then someone in the episode did do that i have started to you know because guys is such a colloquialism, it's such a cultural colloquialism that it is that

one thing where when I, when I was, was first brought to my attention to maybe eliminate it, I think there was a defensive thing where I was like, really, we can't say like, Hey guys, like, even though it's like, you know, well-intentioned. And then I really thought to myself, like, you know, it's never going to bother me. So why, so it's not for me to say, and I've started taking it out of like, you know, from writing an email, like I will take that word out.

If I'm using social media in a way, I will take that word out. I'll say folks, I'll say all because it's easy for me and it helps people feel good. So why wouldn't you do it? You know? I, this is this,

I should not be bringing this up, but I feel like there, there was like internally some like queer blowback on people. I think, I bringing this up, but I feel like there was internally some queer blowback on people. I think now a lot of queer people that I know are like eye roll, of all eye rolls, when they see folks with an X

written out in an earnest way. And I'm like, see, is there such a thing as over-correcting? There absolutely is. But you have to do that to arrive at a place that's, I mean, I would,

it's, I mean, this, it gets into dodgy territory when you say this, but I do believe that there has to be an overcorrection when there's been such an, this is not the right word, but undercorrection. You know what I mean?

Like when, when something hasn't even been broached at all and it's been damaging to people, it's actually okay that we go a little too far, you know? 100% agree. that are not necessarily like abject, harmful, even if they're good people that have to have an uncomfortable moment, that's actually okay because in the grand scheme, we need to have a reckoning about things like this and get to a place where we're living in a world of equity, of fairness, of actual everyone,

actually everyone being respected for their humanity, not just some antiquated way of referencing like people or relating to people. It's about humanity. being respected for their humanity, not just some antiquated way of referencing people or relating to people. It's about humanity. And it's actually okay if we overcorrect sometimes. So the conversation to me, even if in the moment I was like,

are we really doing this? I actually, I get it now and I respect it. I agree. 100% agree. Let's talk about these remaining survivors. Well, first of all- There's stars on the cast all there's stars on the cast there's stars in the cast even someone like voce or genie i'm like i wish i could have seen more

of them i i it's hurts like this is the first season i've watched in a while and i did watch a ton of seasons as as we know as did you like where this season when you lose people it's hurting it's it. It's competitive. It's high stakes. I'm telling you, readers, I know you, if you were listening to us all throughout the summer, you know we had our moment with Survivor. It is not ending.

This is another great season. Two summers ago. Wow, fuck. I know, I know. We're at that point now where we go two summers ago. Oh, it's been years. Summer 2020. It's been years. Oh, it's been years. Oh, it's been years oh it's been years oh it's

been like a year and a half let's just say and change but um poverty was was summer 2020 wow yeah and we love you parv we love you parv zeke was zeke was summer 2020 oh my gosh but we go way back we go way back with zeke of course um yeah no it's it's it's a great season i think that shan is the one to watch, and I think that, you know, it's almost that thing of, like, when you watch a reality show so much, or any television, and you start to see it with TV brain,

you can see this. You see the patterns, yeah. There's pattern recognition, yeah. The narratives are built in. Like, you can pretty much tell who's top three, I think. But I love the narratives, though. Me too. It's one thing to, like, see the narrative for what it is, but I really like this narrative. Me too. I'm obsessed.

What do we think? I mean, we're recording this on November 1st. I feel like the Erica thing, I hope it gives her some intrigue because I feel like everyone on that tribe is we haven't really gotten to know them that much, but I kind of love that everyone dislikes her.

I'm sorry, I will publicly say I cannot stand Sydney. Cannot stand her. Yeah, I think she is a fun character to watch. But certainly if the island has a bitch goddess this year, it is Sydney. Unraveled. It's actually not her. Who is? I don't think

there needs to be one. I love it as an archetype, but I get what you're saying. I don't think there needs to be one. I love it as an archetype, but I get what you're saying. I don't mean to ascribe this word to her, to Shan, but if you want someone who is just coming for you and is playing this game so well and is not afraid to fuck you,

Shan is your bitch goddess. No, she is literally, she has a shiv. Yeah, she is. She's out here. Parv was never the bitch goddess to me parv was just like a great a great like hot girl who knew like her power sydney is just like i'm just like no you stop it where she's like i think she was like fishing at one point she was like i don't know she just like bragged about herself in a way that was just like not just not self-aware whatsoever she said something like the girls are the girls are

never the girls on the show are never like me i'm out here actually providing for the tribe in the way that like ozzy would or whatever like she's like no it was something else it was something that really got to me and i was like her humor is not landing with you let's say no her whole vibe is not landing with me and maybe it's because. Her whole vibe is not landing with me. And maybe it's because I like, maybe it's because we all know that girl. I don't know. I mean, we all know all of these people. But Shan, Shan, I love.

I love Nasir. I love Nasir. I love Nasir. Nasir is a star. He is coming out of the woodwork for me. And you know what I love about him? Like when he's succeeding in the show, I'm happy.

Me too. And that doesn't happen with a lot of people. Right? you know what i love about him like when he's succeeding in the show i'm happy like and me too and that doesn't happen with a lot of people right like it's like he is sort of only has good intentions and it's very um but it's still a hero's journey very hero's journey good intentions still very strategic player very good physical player kind of like a yule kind of yule checks a lot of the yule boxes like interesting not, obviously not the same person as Yule, but like, I'm like, okay. I'm not paying tribute to Nasir as much as I was Yule, let's just say that.

No, I mean, Yule, it's like a god. Fully a god. Cum factory. Cum factory. Call me the cum factory. He's so fucking hot. And Ozzy was so hot too. And you know Ozzy has OnlyFans.

Yeah, but it's just like him yanking it. No, that's him fucking chicks i don't know dude ew i'm sorry you and your you and your straight porn fetish sorry i'm not i don't porn is kink um that's true well Matt I say you know what to be honest she's tired she's tired and also I have something to do so we can move on I don't think

so honey I just don't want to I wanted to just touch on one thing as the morning show correspondent for the show I felt like I should just tell everyone oh please I'm so this is so important spoiler alert spoiler alert spoiler alert fast forward it's like two two to five minutes from this no no no no not even it's gonna be quick steve carell drove off a cliff so the third graders are cackling riding this season it could not be more insane i can't believe the room the teacher's not even in the room anymore they're on vacation they're they're the teachers left for vacation and forgot to get a sub came to school on their own of their own volition to be

like we love this so much we're having so much fun writing this show that they came to school and now he's gonna drive off a cliff yeah and he's dead okay so know that i'm here to let you know exactly how much fun the third graders were having writing the morning show they're having a blast they're having the best week all the teachers are not in the class um we wish the best for we wish the best for dorit kemsley we hope that we hope that it wasn't staged you better take that back no my i don't think so honey is going to be dorit related okay uh what else what else i think that it might be time for i don't think So Honey is going to be Dorit related. Oh, okay. What else? What else? I think that it might be time for I Don't Think So Honey. I just wanted to touch on a couple.

Because current events are happening as we speak. Current events are happening as we speak. Did you watch the Potomac finale? I watched the Potomac finale. I missed Salt Lake City. I will watch that tonight. Potomac finale. You know, Vulture was, oh, I forget her name, but she writes wonderful recaps for Potomac. And she pointed out something very interesting.

She was like, all of the franchises for Housewives in the pandemic have really struggled with like a crawl to the finish line. And it's okay because it's like, it's hard to, because I guess there's still all these limitations around shooting with COVID that it's really hard to like produce story out of what they're, you know,

what they can work with. And anyway, but then she also said this funny thing where she was like, I forget what the context of the sentence was, but she said that Robin has been acting like Squidward all season. Yeah. Very, very dour.

Eeyore. Just like, and it's sad because that's not the Robin we love. Yeah. I do feel bad for her though. Cause that woman wants to get married so bad. Iore just like and it's sad because that's not the Robin we love yeah I do feel bad for her though because that woman wants to get married so bad

I'm just like can you just can we just have the wedding please I can't believe we had a wedding this season it was Karen's

second one it was Karen's vow renewal Juan was being all kinds of fucking stupid this episode I was like

why did he drive off at the mere mention that he was not present as a father he was like a main character in this episode and then when he was like mediating the michael and chris uh conflict i was like i don't know and then i was really happy that candace called it what it was which was the white privilege of it all the fact that michael is even allowed to be there is insane he assaulted crew members

and let's not forget about that one fucking crazy but looking forward to the nikki minaj hosted reunion that's for sure i need nikki to fucking destroy giselle and ashley darby destroy i'm done with ashley i'm actually i'm like you're not even that fun or funny i mean i'm talking about these i love i was thinking last night about how bravo went live with brooke ashley one of our favorite housewives but they went live with her and then they surprise brought in Ashley Darby and then Brooke was stuck to her guns and was like basically was like, did not

care. She said, Ashley, this season is wearing me thin. And she said it to her face and I was like, oh my God. But her face when Ashley Darby came on the live, because it was like a surprise. They were like, guess the mystery housewife in the chat. And she hates Ashley Darby so much. So when she was like a surprise they were like guess the mystery housewife in the chat and she hates Ashley Darby so much so when she

popped up I saw her face and she literally was like loved it I'm gonna go live with her this week I think yes I think I'm going live with her at some point after Wednesday after after the part four I'm gonna I'm gonna DM her because we've been we've been making

plans to go live and have a glass of wine and talk housewives. And so maybe after this part four of the Beverly Hills reunion, we'll do that. But watch the space for that. Can I say I'm tuning in? Honey, you might even have to join up. You might have to join in. Going to have to tune in for that one. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple.

Look who it is. Joined by elite new friends. Rebecca Minkoff. Have you ever heard of her? But things could change in a New York Minute. She had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy. What? You told her?

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like it's never been dragged before. It is our famous segment. I would love to go ahead and do it. This is perfect. This is Matt Rogers' I Don't Think So Honey. It's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People saying that Dorit and PK staged the break into their home.

Because actually think about this for a second. I know we don't love Dorit. I know we are all Team Garcelle, as am I, to the end of time. By the way, she's coming on Las Cotterias in April, and I said it out loud, so now it has to happen, but she's on the schedule. We are Team Garcelle 100%, but even not being

Team Dorit, do you think that she would put her children through that? I mean, come on. That would be crazy for her to say, hey hey break into my home while my kids are there the trauma that would inflict on them i understand she needs a narrative for next season is the timing weird 15 seconds because it was the same episode on the reunion where they talked about like lisa you got to put your dresses away or someone's going to come to your house

they came to kyle and took all her shit and hours later during breaking in by home is broken into yes it's weird but do we think she'd be that craven maybe but i don't think so honey and that's one minute i 100 agree because i did entertain for a second when we talked about it the next the morning out the morning after i said this seems suspicious and only i'm sorry to say only a hundred thousand dollars it was reported that the amount of money they got away with, the people that broke in amounted to about $100,000. And then Jared was texting me and he was saying, yeah,

but that's like, that's like a couple of her dress. I mean, especially when she's got like $35,000 price point on her wedding gowns. I was like, that's probably a couple handbags, a couple dresses. Like the fact that they were there fully broken to the house,

there was more than one of them. And they only made out with that much is weird. Also the fact that they were there fully broken to the house there was more than one of them and they only made out with that much is weird also the fact that they were starting shooting on the new season that day that day and the the timing with the episode it was all a little odd but sometimes things in life are odd okay i know stranger than fiction and that's a taylor swift song okay better than revenge golden globe nominated stranger than fiction is one of her song Stranger Than Fiction. And that's a Taylor Swift song. Okay. Better Than Revenge? Golden Globe nominated. Stranger Than Fiction is one of her song titles? I don't think that's true.

Stranger Than Fiction was a... This is crazy that you don't know this. She was nominated... I don't know all Taylor, but Stranger Than Fiction was... Oh, that was... Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was actually from like a Will Ferrell movie. It was from... Wait, is that true? No, that's... No, the Will Ferrell movie is Stranger Than F fiction but maybe taylor has a song that's called stranger than fiction stranger sweeter than fiction okay wow i'm eating crow pie right now it is from the motion picture one chance sweeter than fiction well shit i think that's going on red taylor's version pretty cool oh all right so now comes the time where it's bill and yang's i don't think so honey than fiction. Well, shit. I think that's going on Red Taylor's version. Pretty cool.

Ooh. All right. So now comes the time where it's Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So, Honey. And I'm thrilled to say that now is the time where I can say

on this episode that Bowen Yang, your time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, plastic packaging that's hard in that show that you have to like

get a fucking pair of scissors out and cut through it. You know what I'm talking about? Go off, yes. Like you buy an electric razor. cannot believe the death match that i was engaged in this morning so i could open up this electric razor that i bought on the internet and i had to take two different pairs of scissors to cut through because the stickers the stickers weren't coming off the packaging is so fucking like 30 seconds late 90s costco bullshit you know like such bullshit and i could have cut myself

this morning and i can't afford to cut myself i have a roof to put over my head that's right i'm single and no one's looking out for me but me oh 15 seconds single people cannot be given these things otherwise they will not be able to provide for themselves and i don't want to get my caretakers involved five seconds spoon feed me my my breakfast in the morning all because i cut myself trying to open up a package and that's one minute i want you to know one thing is not true you are not the only person looking out for you and if you ever need money sister if you ever need money, sister, if you ever need money, I will send a check. I'm struggling. If you ever are struggling

financially, girl, in that ivory tower of 30 Rock, I will send a check to the gig. What is the top number for you? I would send you a hundred thousand dollars, bitch. Thank you, girl. I'll take it alone for the fish. I went to the bank. I slept with the teller.

I know they're tired of me, etc. Yeah. Yeah. Can I say something? Whenever you're opening up like... Do you know what I'm talking about? With the 5 million twisty things. I'm like, who is this protecting?

When you're opening up like Sharpies, when you're opening up like scissors. That kind of single use plot i would consider that single use like it's not getting recycled and nine percent of plastics get recycled that ain't part of the that that's in the 91 baby no because by the time you open it it's a gnarled mess i mean you can't reuse i mean it's just pathetic you can't give it give that to a toy to a child as a toy they'll'll cut themselves just like me. It really actually hurts. It's dangerous.

Yeah, it's fully dangerous. It's a weapon. And if there were an earthquake, it would become a projectile if you had it laying around. Girl. If it were an earthquake, it would become that. That. Say that.

Say that. Well, thank you for supporting me financially and sort of, you know uh argumentatively in that i don't think so i support you all the way and i support you all the way you want to know something what i support you and i'm not even joking you do seeing you this past week i thought one of the most special people on this earth one of the funniest effortless jen was such a hit in such a way that i was like yes slay slay queen thank you for saying slay queen to me. Such a funny, and everyone was like, this is the funny, it's a IYKYK situation.

If you know, you know. If you know the Pantry Girls, you know. And Matt nailed it. And everyone, it's one of those things. It's like, it's satire. You're making an observation about the world that people, you're excavating a truth. And you did that.

I thank my sister from the bottom of my heart. And I want to say that seeing you this week, likewise was revitalizing and everyone should watch this space on what we're working on. Okay. Now I'm going to give us both a break. Okay. Because I want to,

I want to, I'm actually going to do two drinks with Amanda Sudi and Rachel Winitsky. Oh my God. Tell them I say hi. I really will. I know it's like a little pop roulette reunion. But in order to cap this off,

I actually want to tell Doug, please come back in. Doug, you missed your chance. This is your second time. You messed up. What do you mean? I have an I don't think so, honey. No.

You have an I don't think so, honey? I think we have to honor this, man. Do it. I know you have to go. Two things. You need to do your I don't think so, honey. And then you need to end the episode in a song. You need to sing it. this, Matt. Do it. Two things. You need to do your I Don't Think So Honey and then you need to end the episode in a song. You need to sing it. Yes, you need to sing. So do your I Don't Think So Honey

on my phone. Okay, Matt, I'll time you. Doug Beam, this is your I Don't Think So Honey. Your time starts now. I Don't Think So Honey remixing one of the best records of all time. We were talking about the Beatles and we're talking about the Beatles,

and we're talking about Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Yeah, they did that. I do not care if it's 50 fucking years old. It has a place in my heart. Yes. 99%. 110% of the whole world has heard this record a certain way. You do not have any justification

to fucking mix it i don't care if you're george martin's son mother grandparent i don't care you are not allowed to touch that fucking record west montgomery did a cover of a song off of that record lucy in the sky with diamonds it's. One of the best records of all time. You are not allowed to touch it. I'm sorry. Send me hate mail. Five seconds and bitchy and strong. And bitchy and strong. And bitchy and strong because

people that did it are bad people. I don't think so. Wow. Seeing you pop off like that was amazing. Doug, I loved that so much. And when Doug really goes there with the knowledge, with the music. It's horny.

I don't want to say trivia. It's not trivia because it's not trivial. I loved that, Doug. It's horny. I want to hear you talk about music all the time. I really do. Doug, we're going to collect ourselves. And as we do, can you take us out with a song?

I can't sing any song I asked you to do something don't make me sing a song come on I can't sing at all sing an easy one like happy birthday now you're making me look stupid that's a hard song no it has one hard note

I can't I've embarrassed myself enough okay I have a song it was 20 years ago I can't here we go I've embarrassed myself enough okay I have a song okay it was 20 years ago today so nothing introduced to you

there we have it everyone I feel so unsupported well it's because you weren't supported by Doug and including you in this episode

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