Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "This Is A Fun Table!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)
Episode Date: September 14, 2022The highs and lows of the 74th annual Primetime Emmy Awards, Sheryl Lee Ralph's winning moment, positive advance reviews for Glass Onion: A Knives Out Story, Kate Berlant's incredible new live show Ka...te, Lea Michele's tour de force as Fanny Brice in Funny Girl, a positive review of The Little Mermaid trailer, the fallout of the Queen's demise and more in a culture catchup with Icon Consorts Matt and Bowen!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Wow. Las Culturistas.
Ding dong.
Las Culturistas calling.
Big episode.
Big episode.
We have a choice to make up top.
Okay, what's the choice?
Do we want this to be Honesty Zone style?
I mean, it feels like you came on here cooking.
It feels like my girl came on here fucking cooking,
ready to either rock or roll. by rock i mean go honesty zone
like pop off or roll like sort of roll through like like ducking hard top ducking i don't want
to duck can i just say that is that is not my i would rather rock i would rather rock you know
what i mean okay let's fucking rock then let's literally rock I am cooked
past tense adjective
I have not gotten sleep
that's the thing I need the most
in this world that's the thing that's a basic
human need and a right
I would say you got it's your
right to be able to sleep you actually
have to what you must do is just
so I didn't realize I wasn't sleeping last.
I don't know if anyone, any readers out there have this.
We're just like for a few days in a row,
you've been stressed out about whatever it is, any given thing.
And you realize you really haven't slept.
And then you have what I would consider really legally a short coma.
The other night I slept for 13.5 hours.
I'm so jealous.
I have not had that kind of sleep in years. Years.
Years?
Sleep should be sanctified into human
rights, into law, and
you would be breaking the law
if you did not get at least
seven hours of sleep every night.
You'd be breaking the law. So say goodbye
to the club. Say goodbye to
the drugs that keep you up all night.
Oh, listen.
They're illegal for that reason.
Let me ask you a question.
I agree.
Let me ask you a question.
On any given night, how many hours do you sleep?
And let's actually get into this.
Yeah.
How many hours on any given night?
Five, four, five, six.
If I'm lucky, it's not good.
It's been like this for the past i would say like 18 months
it's not been good whoa okay that explains a lot of my vibe in the last year i feel like i'm just
like i'm just dragging and i'm like i'm dour and i'm not i don't like myself and this is where this
is the energy i'm coming in with and i'm sorry and I apologize in advance and you Matt Rodgers is my friend as the show
biz legend as decreed by Jennifer
Lewis herself way too early to say
in my career give me two more years 18 more
months you do not have
to really console me in this I'm
just being honesty zone right
now towards you and saying that
I'm realizing
that that's at the source that's the source of all
of this and I'm and I'm realizing that I didn't have
that great of a time last night
at the Emmy Awards for
various reasons
I'm very glad that my mother got to meet
my auntie Sandra
oh that's such a special moment
I saw the picture that was so great
I bet Sandra was so lovely
Sandra was so lovely and
she took a pic she
was like we need to get a canadian picture so it's me sandra martin short and lauren michaels
got a picture together and it's really nice marty short that's amazing how was martin short was he
hamming it up with him it's like you don't mind it you're just like let him go remember okay
remember that night and fire that day on fire
island i almost wanted to tell him this but i mean marty was was just like chopping it up yeah going
going off at dinner after the the show and then um i turned to sudi's i brought sudi with me to
this dinner and then i turned to sudi and i told some of the other people at the table i was like
there was one morning on fire island this year where we woke up and our friend patrick was just like we need to watch jiminy glick videos oh yeah this is great
this is such a morning jiminy glick is the funniest shit i've ever seen in my life there's near not
nearly enough respect for jiminy glick and also martin short at large my my personal vote for
that category did go to steve mart, but Martin Short was Martin Short.
Marty is a legend.
It is tough to watch
fat suit humor and be like,
oh, wow.
But all that aside,
if I can separate that,
I don't know if I should, but if I can separate that,
I go Wonderful Comedy.
I also just
woke up to some bullshit like
some people deliberately misinterpreting the tony bennett joke that i made oh come on as being like
as i was like as being about dementia no no it's a little freaking out it's an it's an ageist joke
sure i'll cop to that it's a joke about age 100 that that doesn't make it ageist I
Alzheimer has affected me and my family
like it's
that's not what it's about
it was a joke about a young woman taking care of older men
I can't even
I can't even
I shouldn't have even gone this far into it
conversationally with you my friends
with the readers by the way
so many so many,
so many lovely, lovely
publicist readers, actual publicists
who got to meet last night.
Some lovely
people who were working
the event after,
the governor's event after.
There was one guy who I passed by with my mom.
He goes, I'm a Katie. I was like,
what?
It was very, very nice to see the Katie's out in full force.
Oh, I have something to tell you off the mic.
You know, I've met some people recently who have really, really, really come forward and identified themselves as Katie's.
And sometimes I have the heart to tell them, like, I'm so sorry to have led you down this path.
You are not a Katie anymore.
You're back to being a reader.
Because they come up with such pride in being a Katie. And I don't
want to take that from them. So you know what I say to everyone
out there? Self-identify. And that's
actually rule of culture number 45.
You know what I say to everyone out there?
Self-identify.
Maybe there
are factions, period.
Maybe that there is. Oh no,
did we start a civil war within our own fan
com unity? Like the Katie's and the readers like, oh man, it is giving Oh no, did we start a civil war within our own fancom unity?
Like the Katie's and the readers?
It is giving red state, blue state.
There aren't enough civil wars.
We'll call them a fandom.
I don't like to say that we have
stans, that we have a stan
population the way that pop stars
might, but stans, stanhoods
don't have civil wars
enough of the time.
No,
they stick together.
I wish,
but not until now.
Until now,
tear each other apart.
Until now.
Well,
can we,
I'm,
I'm,
I'm understanding you and hearing you that it was a stressful,
um,
not very sleep filled evening.
You did look absolutely great.
You,
I loved your suit suit i thought your bit
with keenan was amazing you brought some energy to the proceedings which they needed um i was
watching at home and mama the shots were being called very late i also didn't realize because
i was in i'm in canada right now shooting yeah and the word fuck slipped through so many times
i was like are the people that are
doing these speeches like deliberately just saying fuck and are they missing it and then i remembered
like the standards are different in canada but there was so much cursing last night and it kind
of just felt like my thing is like with with the with the i don't give a fuck literally if people
curse but it kind of just felt like okay you know this is like an event that everyone in america is
watching you know there's like decorum with speeches and if everyone is the person to say
fuck damn hell shit ass see you know all these things like then it kind of loses its novelty so
for everyone to be the potty mouth of the night is kind of like all right chill people we understand
you're cool and throw some fucks around i know i. I mean, how many years has the FCC been around?
Like, it's...
I feel like it's just
not quite as shocking anymore
to curse on television.
Also, I don't think so, honey. I'm not gonna curse
and then cursing. Like, that joke is hacked to me.
I mean...
And all due respect to
every winner who played that game.
Can I just say there were so many
amazing moments though like Shirley Ralph
wow what was that like
because when they cut to her
in the crowd she really wasn't expecting it
what a legend
what a legend and
I mean okay I will say this
I think I had some conversations with people
who were in the room
and congratulations to Michael Keaton legend for winning for dope sick for that to
be the first award of the night.
And for someone who is as seasoned of an actor as he,
for someone who's won awards in his past,
he goes up,
he gives a pretty,
I don't know,
like I would say like,
um,
rehearsed speech.
Right.
And there was no,
like there was no magic to it.
You needed something light.
That's why, like, I always like it when the supporting categories go first.
I like when someone starts off the night, sets the tone in a way that's like,
oh, my God.
Oh, this is amazing.
This is lovely.
Wow.
Thank you so much.
So, to go from, and Murray Bartlett gave you some of that. Yeah, oh my God. Oh, this is amazing. This is lovely. Wow, thank you so much. So to go from,
and Murray Bartlett gave you some of that.
I think Michael Keaton kind of comes on.
Well, first of all, okay, let's back up.
Oprah walking out was a huge shock in the room.
I would imagine.
And like, you know, my mom just kind of goes, what?
Yeah.
Feet away from Oprah, like crazy.
And then Michael Keaton wins this award.
It was just like, we were kind of lurching through various like vibes between Oprah coming on.
Someone like Oprah coming on, you expect to be like something that picks up the show, like in the middle of it or towards the end.
So that happens.
Michael Keaton wins and gives this speech.
That's very like lovely.
Um,
Murray wins anyway.
And I just think like the,
the,
the,
the tones,
as you said,
were weird until Cheryl goes up and sings endangered species.
And the whole room was silent,
just taking this in and Ooh like her her saying this is what believing looks like really impacted that whole fucking theater like
it was she gave you something you could feel that's for sure i mean like just like hearing
her she hearing her name and i voted for janelle James, but hearing her name get said out loud, everyone that I know said they screamed yes.
Like, I was watching it with Joel.
We're here in Toronto working on something.
And Joel and I were watching it, and we just both were like, yes!
Like, how can you not, as a fan of, just like, it feels like anything, not have been touched by Cheryl Lee Ralph in some way.
You know what I mean?
Like if you don't know her from like six sister act two or like from dream
girls,
Moesha,
like,
you know,
Abbott elementary now,
like it just,
you know,
I know she's a peer of Jennifer's and Jennifer sometimes talks about their
relationship.
And in fact,
Cheryl Lee Ralph is,
um,
she's in the book and,
you know,
she actually was
she was actually met uh mentioned in an article about jennifer recently and they talk so fondly
about each other but when shirley ralph was up there on stage i sort of felt like a lot of like
pride and like utmost respect for her like a truly a figure of great esteem and respect and dignity
and talent and beauty like a great fortune of
beauty and a great fortune of beauty she sits on a throne of great fortune of beauty and she so
took that moment like a pro but like a pro in the way that really reminded me of jennifer and that
it was spontaneous and it felt like almost like a word it felt like it was giving it was she was
feeling the spirit and she was allowing something through her and also not for nothing but she really cleared and took her moment
to actually produce a really sick vocal like mama was open and sounded good and then not only she
didn't stop the speech there when she could she continued on with her gratitude and her just like illustrious career like just that she
just was mounting that stage and giving it to everybody and it never de-heightened it was truly
from her soul and she gave it to everyone with the raised fist at the end and that emmy in the air
and i said that is someone who deserves this moment and i think
what you're maybe pulling from the michael keaton of it all because i was also a little bit bored is
this is someone we've now seen give many speeches you know what i mean and he also wonderful act he
was so stunning in his speech so beautiful in his speech from the critics choice awards that it
almost feels like when you see someone give a speech a lot and like you know not necessarily set up to orate in that moment sometimes it is nice and with these with these
award shows that come at the end of a particular cycle and the emmy is like we've all been talking
about these shows for so fucking long now yeah it feels like the the degree of spontaneity
is lower the conversations around TV cycles is timed such that
there is no like respite
whereas with like Oscar with films
it's like okay
like you got like you can just chill
out in the summer you know
like spring summer just chill
spring summer and more September
more September but then more
September into the fall and winter
festivals that's when you pay
attention that's when you're like okay this is
this is what we're going to talk about leading into
March like all the way up to the Oscars
like there's like a pretty time bound aspect
to that with TV it's like
you're watching these shows all year you're talking
about them all year so that by the time you get to
the Emmys you're a little bit like
unclenched and you're
releasing all of this
fatigue maybe and you're like okay here we go and it's all of these and it all comes rushing back
to you're like oh that's right um there was white lotus i mean white lotus was like a year and a
half ago it was 18 years ago we were children when it came out i remember i remember
when the iphone came out the same time as white lotus i don't know what i'm saying i'm watching
i finally watched the dropout and it's oh it's great it's great she's very deserving she's very
deserving absolutely very deserving i think that show does a really good job of like depicting
technology that isn't too far in the past but isn't that recent either
yeah anyway um and the thing to it is the thing with the dropout too and the elizabeth holmes of
it all is it had to be something that she ostensibly could sort of really make up but had
to be believable enough and that feels very now you know what i mean it is it sort of speaks to
you know the fire festival cons of it all and it's like it michael show altered like go off king like you really directed the shit out of that i
mean it was it was exactly what you're saying it was believable enough but also like what this is
continuing yeah performance is great um but anyway that i think that's that's the weird thing about
tv seasons is that you're like okay you're there's so much consumption the volume is crazy as we all know um well it's also like like white there was white lotus that was truly
from like last fall yeah and then it feels like well what happened this year i think anyway is
that it just so happened that fucking everything came out in like april and may and then it was
like so overloaded so so for all these shows to make a run for it so hard in April and May towards the end of the eligibility,
and then for it to just be like Ted Lasso and White Lotus, you're like, okay.
It just goes to show you don't have to show up right when the voting is happening.
You just have to be something they like, and they clearly still love Ted Lasso.
I was really surprised to not see a
couple more wins go barry's way because people are so obsessed with that show people are so
obsessed with that show i mean can i just say henry winkler is first of all delivers an incredible
performance and barry both funny and dramatic at the same time. It's not a separate, he doesn't separate those things.
He kind of collapses them into the same performance
at various turns.
But I'll just say, incredibly kind man,
got to meet him and his wife and chat with them.
Oh, that's great.
I was, I just was like, I can't believe I'm talking to him
and much less am in the same category as this man,
but that's not what matters. But he and I both went to the
bathroom after we lost and
then I just like tapped
him on the shoulder. I was like, I was rooting for you, Henry.
And he turns to me and goes, I was
rooting for you. And then
I don't know. He was rooting for himself.
I don't believe that at all, but
it was just nice to hear that. It was just nice
to receive that from him
and then walk to the bathroom together
and we, I'll say it
peed in the same urinal
and peed in adjacent urinals
we crossed streams beautifully
with eye contact, you and the Fonz
I would love to cross streams
Iceberg and the Fonz
that's beautiful
that title of that Iceberg and the fawns that's beautiful yes that title of that
that was my p-bo bryson fantasy yeah that's good there was lots of good things that happened i'm
really excited for quinta oh my god you know that was that was awesome i feel like that shows like
really arrived now i feel like shirley when shirley won i thought oh my god maybe they're
gonna sweep everything and I thought Quinta would
win actress and also series, but
it feels like they still are on their
Ted Lasso zhuzh. So, did you
get to meet Kelly again? Did you get
to talk to Kelly Clarkson when she showed up
on stage ice cream? I didn't get to talk to Kelly again.
I got to walk past her dressing room. It was next to the
gifting suite. But, can we talk
about her singing Losing My Mind?
Oh, I just watched it before we
got on so kelly clarkson shows back it's now on the 4 p.m eastern standard time time slot the
ellen time slot there's a lot of pressure she has been delivering she did cover welcome to new york
by taylor swift yesterday for her first big episode because they're doing episodes from
new york and today we got losing my mind from stephenondheim's follies. And it was quote retweeted on a tweet that said,
put Kelly Clarkson on Broadway,
which I have to agree with.
This was a great,
lovely performance.
She really gave it to you.
There was no doubt in our minds that she would not be a stellar interpreter of
Sondheim,
but this,
but I agree.
We must agree with that tweet.
We must co-sign.
Kelly tells a story
but wait just back to the Emmys of it all for a second
when she came out it was so funny to me
which presenters they decided to give comedic copy
and which they didn't
I don't know I was just watching at home
and I was like sort of befuddled
by some of the presenters being given joke copy
and some not
and I was just like well if they're not comedic performers
probably they shouldn't be getting the joke copy.
And then Kelly Clarkson came out and like, she's
like a funny person. She's like a host. And
basically what they gave her was like,
alright y'all, this is best actress. And I just want to
say that it's so amazing to even be nominated.
So congrats to all you ladies on that.
It's so cool. So cool.
Alright, anyway, so the winner is, and I'm like,
what?
Give the girl something to say.
I don't know.
Wow,
isn't it fucking inspiring
for women to be nominated?
Yes.
Soleil,
Queens,
and I was just like,
what is going,
it wasn't even that much.
It was just like,
Vanessa and Molly killed.
Vanessa and Molly killed.
You have to watch their interview
they did backstage
after they presented.
It's so sweet
they're both just loving on each other going like i did watch it we're both we're both from
cleveland we just love each other no and then at one point vanessa goes we're both from cleveland
so we have the same the same and then molly goes values values and then vanessa's like, vibe. Oh, yeah. Values. Oh, yeah. Values. Oh, my God. Can I say?
So funny.
Values.
Here's who was at my table.
Okay.
It was, okay.
My table was me, my mother, Kate, McKinnon, Lorne Michaels, Seth and Amy, Molly, Vanessa,
Vanessa's friend, Gwen, and Sandra Oh.
And it was crazy.
But Molly
looks around, looks at everybody at the table
when we sit down when the show starts. She goes,
this is the most Molly Shannon thing.
She goes, this is a fun table.
Yeah.
This is a fun table.
I love this table. I wouldn't want
to be at any other table.
It was very that. I wouldn't.
But you know what?
When White Lotus won molly was like molly was just clapping at our
table she's like oh that's so nice i'm like and i turned to molly go molly you should go up there
like all the cast as she goes no no i'm good i'm good i'm so happy for them i was like molly
stannon you're on that show oh that isn't that great yeah we shot
that we we really shot that in hawaii we did and i loved it because i could bring my daughter no
i'm not going up i'm not gonna go up no because i was only in most of it you know they were in all
of it i was only in most of it it was like molly this is this is the most molly shannon thing she
was like no no i was like like Molly what are you talking about
I honestly adore her
and also the fact that like he thanked her
as one of like two inspirations for it
oh wow
I missed that part
yeah he said he was like
he said something like oh and thank you so much
to Jennifer Coolidge, Molly Shannon
they're my friends
they were what inspired me to write it
I have a feeling that he wrote a lot of those parts with like specific actors in
mind by the way they they put out the teaser for the new season and it's set in sicily right and
um it looks really interesting and speaking of sequels something i wanted to touch on you know
what got rave reviews out of the toronto international film festival was glass onion knives out too which i saw the cast and like i saw them all talking about it and
that looks like a fun table that looks like a fun table molly would want to sit at that table
i mean and you know it has my avatar kate hudson oh my god she really acts like my my impression
of her she really really does what did she say in
this and in this in this table she was like she basically she's like being interviewed about
knives out to glass onion and she's got her like fabulous outfit on she's like sitting on the
corner so that she can use the armrest you know because i feel like she her her like essential
gesture is like leaning her armrest and then getting up and like giving you a little lean
back but never can't decide whether she can like lean or not so she's saying like it's her and janelle sort of like running the show and
like the rest of the actors are just sitting there being like yeah i guess they're they do talk the
most and they're like kate goes i swear to god like we would do murder mystery it was so fun
so to be doing a murder mystery movie and then still want to do a murder mystery party on the
weekends i don't know it was just really fun and then they go to everyone. So who was the best at murder mystery?
And they all look at Kate Hudson and she's like,
what?
Oh my God.
I was really into it.
You know what guys?
It makes me feel really happy that you said that.
And I was like,
I'm Kate.
You are Kate.
Oh my God.
You're right.
I was the best.
That's so funny.
It's at Cape Orlando. Kate. No, Matt Rogers is Kate Hudson. That's, you're right. I was the best. That's so funny. Kate Burland is Kate. No, Matt Rodgers
is Kate Hudson. That's a rule of culture.
Rule of culture number 22.
Kate Burland is Kate.
No, more like
Matt Rodgers is Kate Hudson.
The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back.
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Oh, my gosh.
Welcome.
And last season's drama was just the tip of the iceberg.
You're recording us?
I am disgusted.
Never in a million years after everything we've been through did I think that you would reach out to our sworn enemy.
We were friends. How could you do this to me? I don't trust her.
The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Wednesdays at 9 on Bravo or stream it on City TV+.
On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his
mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba.
He looked like a little angel.
I mean, he looked so fresh.
And his name, Elian Gonzalez,
will make headlines everywhere.
Elian Gonzalez.
Elian.
Elian Gonzalez.
Elian.
Elian.
Elian Gonzalez.
At the heart of the story
is a young boy
and the question of who he belongs with.
His father in Cuba.
Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.
Or his relatives in Miami.
Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.
At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation.
Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well.
Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story,
as part of the My Cultura podcast network,
available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
or wherever you get your podcasts.
Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose.
My latest episode is with Jelly Roll.
This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've
ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of
13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge
life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of
trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an
anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had
such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you
asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work.
Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.
I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian,
and basketball Hall of Famer.
I'm a mom, and I'm a woman. I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, and Basketball Hall of Famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman.
I'm Tarika Foster-Brasby, journalist, sports reporter,
basketball analyst, a wife, and I'm also a woman.
And on our new podcast,
we're talking about the real obstacles
women face day to day.
See, athlete or not, we all know it takes a lot as women
to be at the top of our game.
We wanna share those stories about balancing work and relationships,
motherhood, career shifts, you know, just all the shit we go through.
Because no matter who you are, there are levels to what we experience as women.
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Talk about that show. I did
see Kate Berlandant in Kate.
And listen, this was exemplary.
Like in terms of not only just a comedy show or, you know, an alt, you know, comedy experience.
It's like a journey into her mind.
Oh, it's transcended that.
It really is.
And have you seen it yet?
No.
No, I'm dying to.
I will pay any price to see it.
I know the tickets are steep.
But it's worth it.
But it's theater.
This is when theater is exciting.
When you're like, wow, I really...
It's a must-see thing.
It has that feeling about it.
And I've just heard them.
I've read... I don't want to read all of the reviews because i don't want to i don't want to you know to i don't get going with
too much context yeah you know i don't think it can really be tipped for you in a way what i'll
say about it is that actually as i was leaving i was thinking to myself like how would i describe
this and i would just say you know if you're a kate burlant fan it feels like her at her most realized and i have a feeling that probably a
lot of people that listen to this podcast a lot of the readers probably also listen to poog and
if you are big fans of kate's like this is a really cool show to see it's just directed to
absolute perfection by beau burnham i mean the aesthetic is very clear. You would absolutely love it.
You would absolutely love it.
You really would.
Of course I would.
Oh my God.
It's that thing where I remember the conversations that I would first have.
This was like 2013, 2014.
I remember like someone came into a pop roulette rehearsal.
I think it was Amanda.
It was Amanda Schachtman.
And she was like, you guys, I just saw this amazing standup show.
And it wasn't like Kate's show, but it was like Kate doing a set.
And it was like, at that point I'd heard of, I knew John early, but I knew that he was doing shows with, or he was doing stuff with Kate.
Hearing Kate be described as one thing, and then you watch
her perform, and it's this
really wild, electrifying
thing that, like, I think people
I think it might have been some
it was some piece, I forget
what it was in, but they write
about how people are still sort of writing
checks on the sensibilities that John john and kate have sort of created and i but here's what i think
about that because i do think there used to be a narrative at least in like the new york comedy
community that kate and john quote unquote get copied and i think that like while that may have
been true because people were very strongly influenced by what they've what they did and what
they were so good at i think everyone that tried to copy them is sort of no longer doing it because
they failed at doing it as well or realized that was a narrative and therefore abandoned it and
tried to like you do find your own fucking thing because they did get there were speech patterns in the
way that they would speak on stage and they do share some i mean i think they would even come
to that like sometimes i do see john and kate and kate and john but they are so an entity that it's
like you know that doesn't feel like a weird rub to me other people younger than them obviously
would rip the way that they spoke and now i don't see them doing
it that much anymore i'm not i'm not even i'm i'm not even like attaching any sort of value
judgment on that i i go of course you're gonna try on like another person's thing you're gonna
channel something else as you are on your own journey to your own point of
view. Like that, that, that, that is totally normal. I, I just feel like that's there. Like,
I don't think that many people are like, not to narcissistically put myself in that equation,
but like, people aren't copying me, you know what I'm saying? Or people aren't like,
trying to use my voice in something and so that's like the difference
where i go well john and kate really found something um and even let's just like distinguish
the two like kate found something very very very specific in the way she performs narcissism like
i don't know it's just really really great there's there's an art to it and like i'm finishing parker
posey's book finally and i'm I'm like, oh, these are
artists. This is something
that
you really build out your
self...
It affects your
output because it comes from a
differently conceived
self concept.
I'm talking out of my ass, but's like you know what i mean it's like
yes i i do think that in discussing kate's work sometimes i do get a little like turned around
and i think that what i love about her so much is that if you actually just sit there and watch it
it's actually a lot more simple than than you think and i also think the fact that you think that
kate is going to present this heady like odyssey of the mind is part of her magic trick because
you go there and so much of the show is about actual superficiality in that base way yeah yeah
you know what it's funny like back when i was a little
bit more self-conscious as a comedian and i think back when i didn't know my own voice so much i
would actually get intimidated by people like john kate and jacqueline novak and you know because i
figured like they were operating on a level that i could not possibly understand and i think that
trips people up you go to their show.
And you just sit there.
And this show was actually made exactly for me.
I left that being like.
Oh my god.
That was such a ripping open.
Of the like.
Emotional psychological wounds.
You only find in therapy.
Because you admit it to yourself.
About what it means wanting attention. truly and i think that like because she's so smart and
because beau is such a great eye on it it seems so vast and then in the comedy it's actually
really simple and what i'm most blown away by with caper land is her sheer control as a performer she is so in her body and she
she plays every note of her own instrument like oh my god it's just so like it's it's very lived
in in a way and like i hesitate to say dropped in because it's not that it's actually beyond because because she's it's it's both broad and also really really small in a way that she's
aware of and like a lot of the show is about it's like an it's like a you know exploration on on how
she's perceived as a performer and what that does to her own psyche and i think that
you know the it's it's just great i mean like i really loved it wow and this bass is great
yeah connelly's great that's where circle jerk was it was awesome um but wow hearing you talk
about hearing you talk about her control is really cool.
Well, I told her after that it inspired me.
Oh, great.
Yeah.
And you will process that in your own way and it'll come out perfectly.
This is what's eating at me from last night.
Yeah, what's up?
I just look at myself in these photos and i go what the hell am i doing
like why is like it's it's that thing where oh god this is what makes this business really
crazy is that if you're good at it then that means you like if you're good at that part of it then that means um that you think about this constantly i don't know i just and then i
watched back the bit i did with keenan and i look at myself and i go there's no i have no idea what
i'm i have no control over what i'm doing my delivery my intention behind this like that's
not true no it's no, I'm telling you.
I walked out there and I kind of blacked out, I think.
Yeah.
And thank God Keenan was there next to me
because if it was just me by myself on that stage,
I would have had a heart attack on live television.
I was just...
I was just like...
And that's not a natural environment for anyone to be in.
And let me just say, I have no interest in actually hosting a show like that. It's crazy to me that anyone would want to do that, except for a unicorn like Kenan Thompson, except for some late night hosts, like, you know, all the late night hosts we have but for someone like me i watch back that set that thing that bit
and i go what the fuck am i doing with my face my body like why am i moving around like this it's
it's not even artistic things it's stupid shit like that where i go oh i hate this i hate looking
at myself that way i'm just being this is honesty so this is the honesty zone that i was kind of
wanting to maybe bring in and i'm sorry if it's dragging us down a bit in the um in the vibe but i just that's that that's my honesty zone moment well not to
therapize but i totally understand everything that you're saying and i think that it's um very normal
to watch yourself back on something like the emmys not be like, look at me. I look perfect.
Look at how I know my angles.
Oh, didn't miss a speck of that light.
I hit the light.
Look at me on my goddamn mark.
And not a stumble?
Incredible.
I will tell you this, Bowen, from my perspective, what the show really needed at that point was energy.
And you brought so much energy.
And the crowd was so excited to see you.
I understand and this is how I understand this about you because I see the way that you rehearse
and I see the way that you prepare and I know I understand with you that it's very important to
be on top of the little things. It doesn't matter. It doesn't't matter you were one of the presenter highlights those jokes
were actual jokes and you delivered them with an energy and with a confidence whether it was
feigned or not that definitely absolutely read to the audience and if even if i wasn't your best
friend sitting with your other best friend i would would have been like, well, thank God.
Because you can't fake that thing of just comic timing.
You can't fake energy.
You can't fake confidence like that.
And you can't fake experience like the one that you had.
At the same time, do I think it's normal that you look at yourself in that environment and think, well, fuck.
Yeah.
And I think that that's probably
shared by a lot more people not that you need to like go to aa with these hollywood stars and
presenters that are like you know hi my name is reese witherspoon and i think my hair is too long
right now and i don't like the way i looked on the emmys hi i do want i do want to go to that
meeting honestly i think that would be a really fun meeting just to sort of hey guys my name is andea and um actually i have no problems yeah by the way gag um but
but i understand and i just want to say you're not looking for me to like say no no no that's
not true but no no no that's not true and also like i was only proud of you and like only thought that you looked
natural i do think that there is a certain way you can go about it as like a comedic presence
where it's like everything about what i'm doing here is like funny and haha and lol and like i
understand like is that maybe where you're at like you wish to be more of like a confident
comedic presence in the entire thing
yeah i don't i don't want to go on stage and be like what oh what like that's that's the vibe is
that i feel frenetic and i don't want that to be part of my projection anymore i don't want to
project that outwardly and i can really work on that. And look,
I'm so lucky. You weren't projecting that though, babe.
You weren't projecting that.
You're perceiving that. Sure.
I'm so lucky that
I get to... I'm actually
very excited about the season of SNL.
I did not say that last year.
I did not say that the year before.
I'm going to the season
very excited. Good'm going to the season. Very excited.
Good.
And I hope,
and even if I'm disappointed,
if I'm disappointed in any way,
it'll be fine.
I think I've built up the,
yeah.
You know,
Amy Pola writes about this in her book about wanting the cookie.
You remember this? And yes,
please.
She writes about this.
And there's so much great stuff in Amy Poly polis yes please and it was really fun
to see her and seth present together i'll say that so fun um but in amy polis yes please she
discusses the thing of um the promise of the cookie when you get nominated at an award show
like that or really with anything like in any respective career path that you're in when there's
like an opportunity for a promotion or like you know a bonus or something or an opportunity to
shine amongst your peers in an extraordinary way or a special way that's going to have some
recognition it's like you don't want to care about it because it's not cool to care about it
that being said everyone around you cares about it and you care more than you think because you're
programmed to of course want recognition from your peers and of course be told that you're
doing a great job like especially like in the arts and the entertainment industry like
i'm reading betty gilpin's fantastic book right now and oh my god am i excited to have her on the
show but she also says like yeah it's this weird thing
of like self-deprecation that rubs up against like you know actual self-hatred sometimes and
the need for attention and the wrestling with that need you know it's a weird thing this is
what it talks about the cookie and how you know you want it and then you don't get it and you
feel stupid for wanting it it's weird it's weird exactly it. God, of course, Betty would get it right. I'm exhausted. I got
a decent amount of sleep last night. I'll say, I think I got, I think I hit six hours.
So I'm not like, that's so crazy that that's decent. That's not good. But I am drained to
the bone. And I think it's because of a night like last night that is so emotionally weird, tensile.
It's so emotionally like all over the place in the way that it's pulling you in so many directions that you're like, I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about this.
And so let me get to the end.
And I'm sorry that this is a therapy session
but
it feels like I've had
I'm having to like organize my thoughts
around this in the immediate aftermath
so thank you for being a friend and listening
you ever think about talking
to like do you ever talk to 80 about this stuff
oh all the time but
he is someone who I think is
being
so thoughtful about her relationship
to all of this to the pageantry of of shit like this where she is completely i think she is like
really i don't i don't want to speak on her life but i think she is like taking a minute to just like chill out not really engage in too much like outwardly
facing stuff yeah and i i yearned for that i yearned for that um but anyway this is what i'll
say about us if we were to ever host and i only and look let me just get this out of the way
am i a little like i'm like part of me is saying like,
oh, we shouldn't talk about this.
It's so self-indulgent for us to talk about
the hypothetical thing of us
hosting an award show one day.
But we literally just did that at Lincoln Center.
Even though it was like a fake bastardized
parody version of it.
There was an element of it that felt real, right?
And that's because I think the reason
why Culture Awards got out of its own way
and succeeded was because you and I were stupid and ironic enough about it, but also took it so seriously.
We made it seem like an important, prestigious award and that the ceremony of the night was so important and amazing.
And award shows now have not done that at all.
It's always been about the host coming out, except for Keenan, but it's always been about
the host coming up being like, oh, hey, we're all here.
Okay.
Well, this is the part of the show where like the wink is not even a wink anymore.
It's like a, an eyebrow raise and a shrug.
It's like, yeah, well, this is what it is.
Award shows need to go back to the thing where people are like, the people who are like emceeing
are going, oh my God, it's that time of the night where people are like the people who are like emceeing are going oh my
god it's that time of the night where we you know
like that needs to come back
yeah and I think in like in like
a this is what I'll say about last
night and I couldn't I couldn't be a bigger
Kenan fan that whole opening with the
dancing I didn't get it at
all like it felt like
it didn't feature him
then not for nothing like the transitions between like the
bits were very lazy they were not like they nothing had like no no sketch they did was blacked out
adore sam jay but like wish she was hosting more than keenan was and that was a little confusing
the constant cuts to a voice that the audience couldn't see like the she was not cued correctly like the presenters were at the mic while she was still
doing like announcer bits like it just was it was not done well and so that was frustrating to watch
people all deserved a better a better produced show in the control room. The writers did a great job.
From what I know, I feel like the dance routine was thrown at them at the last minute.
And it literally was a thing.
Yeah, and I'm sure Kenan wasn't that thrilled about it.
I think he was so charming throughout the show.
It just felt like that opening took something from him.
And then the way we went
into the first award was like so bizarre and that was my big global note on the whole thing was i
was just like why do i feel like we're like racing to start this show and then the way the way that
the dance montage in the beginning ended felt like it didn't have a finale no did it feel like that
in the room for to start with friends was such a weird thing and then i think it went to brady bunch the law
and order dance really threw me out the window i was like of course these people with guns
that should have been i don't yeah i don't know i think it was that was cuckoo well first of all i
we we had terrible seats we had no monitor in our view we
did not know what was being we didn't know what was being shown to people at home um or or like
had no context for what was happening in other sections of the theater i mean i appreciate the
risk they took where it's like club seating for one half and then like row seating for the other
half but it was very hard there was no no center. There was no center. There was no central place
to look at for people in the room
and for people at home.
I'm sure it was disorienting.
And I will say,
I want to be like,
who's this for?
Who is this for?
It's not for people in the room.
It's not for the people at home.
It's just so that like
a production designer can be like,
well, I tried out an idea.
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Well, we have to talk about Ms. Leah.
Ms. Leah Michelle, who we hope is recovering quickly from COVID.
Wow.
But also like so many...
Wait, this is...
Unforgettable.
Background. Bone and I did go great i mean also we saw her a second night like and really a great performance i mean the
production we we had we had notes on the stage we got got notes this episode. But I think they're good notes.
They're good notes.
And they're with good intention.
We're not drags.
They're not dragging.
Yeah.
At one point, I could feel you sort of tensing up next to me in your seat.
And you just lurch forward and go, I cannot stand the staging.
I go, I was like like this makes no sense i was
like i can't see it doesn't make sense it doesn't show was set so far back it's set so far upstage
some of it like they just they if you're sitting on the sides like in stage left or right like you
were cut off from so much of the show wild wild and so maybe get a mezzanine seat honestly if you go see it like
yeah because then you're guaranteed a good view you'll see everything um leah was wonderful she
was great yeah the energy of that show you could tell had shifted considerably and that the people
on stage were excited that they were doing it yeah they were like oh my god our work
is being recognized like people are leaping out of
their seats there were five standing ovations at the show
we were at yeah we had five we had two
in the same song which I don't think happened the first night
yeah it was
um don't worry
almost to the all the way to the end of
don't rain on my parade and there was a massive standing
ovation and then she sang like the last truly
25 seconds of it and there was another standing ovation yep but deserved both
deserved um gosh tova felt show was so good she did a fabulous job also i mean the whole cast was
great i mean it there but there was a couple moments where it's true it's just like again
we need to look at this like and this when When you have a performer that can actually sing people,
stage people like it's the moment, for God's sakes.
The way it's staged is the two of them sitting at a table, stage right,
and that Fanny gets up and like brushes his shoulder behind him as she crosses
slightly closer to center but not center stage it makes zero fucking sense to me and it's people
it's people it's people do you know what i literally did last night literally last night
for some reason i think i was just stoned like being on YouTube. I watched Barbara's, the movie version of People.
Watch that.
Literally, I understand they didn't want to rip anything that Barbara was doing or from the movie.
And I get that the stage production is different than the movie, but it's the same fucking song.
And whether you want to admit it or not, people are coming in with an expectation when you sing people and so they could have taken so
many little cues from the movie version of it bowen i'm telling you and readers stop this right
now watch the movie version of people with barbara a fucking legend and the way it's staged is small
and intimate because it takes place on the street but it still feels romantic and emotional and big
because she's realizing for the very first time she's actually going to acknowledge the fact that
she wants a connection with someone else because she might maybe be good enough for them like it
is such a big moment and they just like they let it just happen in the show even with leah and they did change some other
things like the music that makes me dance like they used to cut off at the end which drove me
nuts because i guess the actress is playing the part really couldn't do the final note justice
or maybe it was just a choice yeah it's a crazy note just like it's it's wild and like and it's a very hard song and very like
you know very but but leah like nailed it and they changed that for her they changed the
arrangement of that and that staging they also changed you know like several other things from
the first time i had seen it but not enough to make it be like yes this is a knockout production
that lives up to her talents in the part
because some of the staging was given high school.
Sorry.
Oof.
Tough.
Tough.
With a Tony-winning, like, legendary director.
I will say that I feel like
Who Are You Now?
At least in the...
I haven't listened to the...
Oh, I listened to the Barbara Broadway version
of Who Are You Now?
And honestly, can I say, they turned it into a duet between Fanny and Nick.
And watching Leah and Raman do that together was really, really special.
I really loved that.
That was a good choice.
I don't have much context for Funny Girl.
This was my first iteration of seeing it, which is kind of crazy.
So I'm not trying to
make too many statements about
it, but that was
really, really great.
There's a line in the
book, which is
Fanny sort of saying to Nick, actually it's right
before people, which
kind of drove me nuts for her.
There's this
moment where it's like fanny and
nick and you know he's like meeting her family and all her friends where she lives and you know
they're having like a little flirty moment before she launches into fucking people and she says
something like i haven't read many books and the whole audience like including this one loser like
like ten rows behind us was literally doing
that thing where it's like very audibly like quote-unquote trying not to laugh and it's like
and i was just like oh god this is going to be contagious now like freaking covid or something
because everyone just started laughing so much and, like not to revisit my point last week,
because I get that people disagree with me,
but I just don't think this bit that she can't read is funny.
Like I just don't think it's funny.
It just doesn't make me laugh,
even if it were done and presented in a more clever way.
And it certainly doesn't make me laugh to like laugh at her expense
when she said she doesn't like the joke up there.
Not that she needs protecting anymore.
She's fine. But I don't
know. At what point
are we just going to retire
this bit just because I don't think it's a good
bit? I think
it's reached its sort of...
You would hope.
I think it's sort of
reached critical mass and now we're like out of it hopefully
i think what happened was since the first night all so all this shit from the first night comes
out in tweets and stuff where they would you know these fucking idiots are recording the show
whether it's audio or video um but someone recorded that part well i saw the tweet the the day we were
gonna go see the show,
like the morning after.
And people were like,
there were gasps and chuckles at the line.
I don't read many books.
And then of course,
Twitter loves that shit.
And then the audio gets released where people are like,
huh?
Little, little,
little tiny laughs audible,
but then they move on.
It was a full laugh line in our show.
In our show, it was a full laugh line,
I think because people might have picked up on that.
I don't know how online our audience was,
but I think maybe there was that expectation.
People were sort of white-knuckling until that line, maybe,
and then just to see how she would react.
From what I could see,
and maybe it's because our
view of the stage was shit
because of the staging we couldn't see her
face we couldn't see her face
I think she kind of gave a little
wink not a literal wink but she like smirked
and smiled and laughed through it
and so I think she was she was showing
the audience that she was okay with the joke that
she was gonna laugh at her own expense
and have a sense of humor about the whole thing
and then Ramin playing Nick also
kind of broke and laughed and the two
of them were laughing together
so it gave permission for the entire audience to
uproariously build to
a laugh and I think that's what happened
and what I was seeing
was she says it
some like
knuckleheads in the audience started laughing it became a thing
and then ramin like ramin however you pronounce it um he sort of leaned into it because he didn't
know how to ignore it and he was like well this is now uh it's now a laugh line like i have to wait because like we need to and then um she said
something like you want me to read your line for you she said something like that stepped out of
the character yeah and um i think it was weird like he was trying to walk a line like being there
for her and acknowledging that she might feel a certain way about people in the audience doing
that but also trying
to preserve the moment as a performer
and honor the response it was getting
and also potentially
wrestling with the fact that
she's going to want to move past this moment.
And she did. That's why she said something.
I see. That makes sense. And she did.
And she sings people.
And it's blocking
aside. It's great yeah and then um the
rest of the show she's having fun and then she was great she was great she was it was really
special and i went in pretty ambivalent about leah i of course she's a terrible person or she
was in the recent past but i think she you know i think it's meaningful that she is back on Broadway and that she seems very, at curtain call, it seems like this whole cast really, really likes her.
And that she likes, and she likes them back.
And I feel like working in a show like Glee that is just toxic all around for whatever reason, for whatever reason, like you don't know if it comes from her or if she's receiving it and she's kind of deflecting it outward.
I'm not making excuses for her behavior,
but I'm saying that maybe she's more
in her natural environment.
In theater.
In her dream role.
Yeah, I don't think she should try to go back
to television or movies.
I think she should stay in theater.
I think it's like clearly where she stands out the most
and where she is the most effective because
you can watch her on tv and sing these glee songs and it can't and maybe it doesn't really register
like you understand she's a great singer but it doesn't actually register that she's like a very
special stage presence whereas it's clear as day with this i also think that you know and i
understand that like the allegations about what she did and like
on the set of glee are really tough and you know she's there must be something to the fact that
like they're all in this like toxic atmosphere working on this show there's so many people with
such real dark problems yeah and they're pretending to be in high school so that has to
like and they're also like in i just had a four and a half hour dance rehearsal and i turned to
zane eyes and i was like can you imagine being on glee and he was like oh my god i know
and like like basically can embodying a high school character and being in such close proximity all the time
and working like that i'm not making any excuses for anyone's behavior but i can see how people
acted like fucking shitty like and i i think it's like because people have so much fun with the
persona of like how annoying a character like rachel berry is and that is like leah michelle
and you know the
someone spilled sauce of it all like it's funny to make jokes at her expense someone spilled sauce
is still it's it's iconic i mean like and the fact that that was a real true genuine story from
first person account holder you know michelle collins is something i will never forget but
and it's worth a re-listen to someone Spilled Sauce, the episode with Michelle Collins to hear this Lea Michele story.
But that being said,
she is where she belongs on that stage playing that part.
And the show really worked because of her.
And a show like that needs someone like that.
And also, we do need to get excited about theater again.
Because let me tell you, so much of it is so bad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ooh.
This is what I wanted to say.
I didn't really want to, didn't care to talk about the illiteracy stuff, but I turned to
you at one point, I think it was during intermission, I go, you know, she's doing, she's giving
you just enough Barbara impression.
Yeah.
She's not, she's not doing the.
Oh yeah, this.
She wasn't doing the, I'll say the, the beanie thing of turning the other direction
and trying not to touch the Barbara thing at all,
which I think is like all she was able to do.
But you said to me,
well, it's that thing I was listening to,
an episode of Everything Iconic with Danny Pellegrino,
where he was interviewing Jodie Benson.
This was a great interview, everyone.
You should go listen to that.
I got to listen to it.
But you told me that
she says that whenever she sings
part of your world live or
on a re-recording or something,
she always does the same
exact thing, sings the same
exact timing,
takes the same breath at the same places, whatever.
Because people are
so attached to that song.
If you change it just a little,
they get a little perturbed.
They sort of don't like it, maybe.
Well, and it's interesting that you say that
days before the Little Mermaid teaser comes out.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Well, you know what's funny about that?
And it's a great interview,
so I don't want to repeat verbatim what was said
because you should check out his podcast to listen to it. But basically basically the sense i get is that when she was working on that song
with howard ashman he said something to the effect of like we're gonna we're really work this
and it's gonna sound like ariel it's not gonna sound like jody and you might not like the way
it sounds at the end and then you know this being back in the day when the first time you could see
yourself your performance in the movie like you didn't get cuts of it beforehand like she went to the premiere
sat down and she saw ariel sing the songs and then she was like oh my god and you know you might not
like those performances as a singer because it's a lot of speak singing and some of it is a little
pitchy or flat just based on human emotion which is why i think some of these musicals um can feel a little canned because
literally the sound is like it's so perfected in the studios that you lose the humanity of the
human voice and the character and so in how that connects to funny girl and you talking about this
barbara quote-unquote impression or the affect that is the stride and the thing impression yeah right
this woman who was next to me when we sat down in our seats this woman who was next to me and
it wasn't a thing of like she recognized us or whatever this older woman like probably 65 years
old not older you know older than us she turns to me and she just goes i am so excited i was like
oh my gosh are you a fan of the movie she goes
this has been my favorite movie since i was a little girl and i was like oh you must be so
excited she goes i have waited years for them to bring this to broadway and throughout that i
checked in with her again at intermission i said are you having the time of your life she was like
i'm so happy and you know she was so happy the whole time and i was like there is something to i understand no one can copy barbara and no one can necessarily be
that and that's ultimately why you might want to try to go to a different way but when people buy
a ticket to a show like this or want to experience something like the little mermaid they want the
they want what they remember you know what i mean like they want they want it
to feel reverent and like it's like calling back to something because that is what taps into the
emotion that is what gets people to come up to you know jody benson after she sings a performance and
say thank you so much you'll never know what this means to me it reminds me of my mother my father
a time you know this is a really important like you know my mother i say father, a time, you know, this is a really important, like, you know, my mother,
I say on this podcast all the time, raised me on this. Like, and when I took my mom and my aunt to
see the show for Mother's Day, like, and like I said, I saw an understudy who was lovely and great
and good at the part, but it, but was not a stage superstar. So when you see someone do that and
deliver that material, it's meaningful for people you know
what i mean this is a piece that means something to people which is why i think there's so much
controversy outside of just the fact that it's like fun diva broadway drama whatever right it's
it's newsworthy because this piece means something to people it created an american icon yeah yeah yep and it has that same destructive
power too yes it's like that's the crazy thing that's the thing that like we didn't realize until
it happened is that we're like oh shit yeah it's like exactly what you're saying is that the people's people's attachment to this is so powerful yes that it will it will just truly like
breed conflict and like you know drama and all this stuff but um yeah it's god i i really do
need to listen to this jody benson interview because so good you told me about this thing
that like uh she wasn't sure about the notes that,
that Howard was giving her.
And,
but meanwhile,
I,
that's so funny because as an audience member and as like someone who grew up
on that movie,
you go,
I was just listening to the song.
I mean,
I've been listening to part of your world on repeat since that,
since that teaser dropped.
But,
um,
just,
you know,
what's so iconic,
ready to know what the people know,
like just like,
how it just kind
of drops out into that humanity the humanity of that and um i told you this right speaking of
barbara um i was watching some like little featurette for the aladdin dvd when this came
out like in 2003 i want to say but they did a featurette on it was howard ashman's last movie
um and they talk about howard's like these amazing howard moments and that he first started
to get really sick uh when beauty and the beast was getting recorded right um and page o'hara is
in the booth singing um something there that wasn't there before whatever the yeah whatever
whatever it's called um and she sings new and a bit alarming or new and a bit alarming or something.
That's what it is.
She sings that.
And then they get Howard on the phone and Howard is, can barely speak, is so sick.
And he can only give like a couple words.
He can only communicate in a couple words at a time.
But, um, all he says over the phone is,
Streisand, Streisand.
And they're like, what does he mean?
What does he mean?
And then Paige is like, I think I know what he means.
And then she goes,
Nuantipid, alarming.
Like scoops up like that in the way that Barbara would.
And then Howard's like, that's it, that's it. And and i'm like i've never forgotten that story and like he can just tap
into something not only not only can he write lyrics like what he fucking writes what he what
he wrote in his life but he can give such like notes like that that are so specific and so
impactful like think about like they make the song they make the song. They make the song.
It's crazy.
He was a true storyteller.
I mean, and that is such a great loss
and you really do feel the difference.
I mean, like, you know, D23 just happened
and God, it was so rough.
But they brought Ariana DeBose out to play.
She's going to play a new, I guess, Disney princess
in a new 2d movie wish yes
and she sang the song and the song is by Julia Michaels and the song is a good song but it's not
a Disney magic song you know and even in um Halle Bailey's version of it like and when she when she
did the she has that little riff I actually i had to like i had to check myself
because i was like oh i don't like that on instinct but then i was like yes but in context
we haven't heard it you know what i mean maybe she is going to give a vocal that travels different
places and that will be interesting but it's going to be up to us to all like as big fans of this incredible landmark song the greatest disney song in history to check ourselves and be like give it
a chance which is why it's even like braver and bolder to play this part like because there is
one ariel that we remember you know what i mean like so it's gonna be crazy but we're all gonna
have to like,
really take a deep breath before part of your world comes on and poor and unfortunate souls and all those numbers,
you know? Totally.
But you're so right.
We've only known one Ariel.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's,
but I,
I will say,
and it's really special.
Just,
I feel like the response to that teaser is overwhelmingly positive.
It's positive.
Yeah.
I was,
I was,
I truly,
I took my breath away.
I had a similar response where I had to go,
did I like that B?
I think I did,
but I immediately thought back to that Jodie Benson thing where I was like,
this is,
I know why I might not like it,
but I think,
like you said,
I need to listen to it in context because I feel like the movie is doing from,
from the,
from what you're seeing in this teaser,
I feel like it will have a really nice balance between honoring the visuals,
the original visuals.
I feel like I look at some of these shots. I'm oh it looks like it looks like from the movie from the original movie but it's an attachment that we have
you know what i mean it's like it's just hard strong it's so strong it's like it's like you
live your whole life with one mom and then you're like hey we rebooted your mom you have this is
your mom didn't know this is your mom didn't know this
is your mom you just just doesn't look or sound like her but it's her hug her hug her now love her
oh my god no way no way and it's just very hard but i will say this she looks and sounds
fucking fab perfect and and she will be stunning and the way she's looking up at that at that
amazing crest of the ocean honey the way that she looks up and says she wants to be part of the
world i said i really hope she does and it's no spoilers but i think it will end really happy for
ariel oh my god really what makes you say no spoilers i'm just saying like based on source material and
some things i've been hearing i think that little room might end very happy for ariel
wink i hope so wink wink um no i mean what i hope so too queen uh i hope so too queen uh when she i
mean when hallie comes in with oh like like she gives it some volume
and it's really cool
I think it's iconic I actually love it
I mean come on
I don't think so honey
because I have to go to a fitting
but very quickly I should say
okay
the Jenna Bush Hager stuff with the queen's
death timeline is crazy oh my god we didn't even
talk about the queen you want to know why it's because the leah michelle illiteracy meme has
taken up more media space than the queen's death period oh my god that's not true period but
okay so jenna bush hager was at was at some castle with charles king charles now charles and camilla
the night before the queen passed away and They had a great time, whatever.
But the timelines don't match up with when she showed up to their castle to do an interview
the next day and when
Charles and Camilla were whisked away on a
helicopter to go to Balmoral.
And there's some interesting
things going on there with the
release of the information of
when the Queen passed away.
And so, it's just so funny to me that
our our friend our pal jenna bush hager jbh who asked if she could come to fire island with us
um is is a part of this now as a part of this global historic death anything you want to say about the queen? Sly. What about you?
It's so shocking.
Like, you really realize, like, what a different world they live in.
That they are, there are people that are in their 90s.
Who, for their entire life, every single day of their life, they were told to worship this person.
And now this person is gone, so of course they're in mourning.
I mean, like, she lived so long as like a deity in that country but wow i
couldn't care less you know what i mean i just like not that i not that i couldn't care less
that a human person is dead but it's just wild to buy into something just because of a bloodline
you know what i mean and these people are so disgusting like
prince andrew's still hanging out like these people are gross now the king is king charles
oh andrew prince andrew has the corgis andrew and fergie have the corgis this is so awful to me
those dogs with that fucking monster these people are so gross and honestly
like down to the bone like all of them they're just like they're so entitled and wretched and
it is built on colonialism and i understand that the queen became a figurehead and tried to move
the country through with dignity and grace etc and i get that a lot of people care and have a
different cultural view on this than me, but like,
wow,
I'm sorry,
but you have to end it.
Like you have to call it like you see at a certain point.
And they're just like the Prince Andrew of it all for me.
Like it's,
it's sure if it wasn't,
if it wasn't the toxic,
disgusting way,
this country establishes itself all around the world and colonizes,
then it's that not to be like too good for it all,
but like,
also, honey, like it is what it is
we're stepping on my I don't think so honey
but okay do it hold on hold on
okay hold on but I will say
that I think the reason what you're saying about
these nine-year-olds who've worshipped this person
and this maybe this family their whole lives
that is important because that is
it is a loss of meaning for so many people
in that country and around the world let's say and so they and therefore i don't think it's attachment
his majesty king his highness king charles is the person to like make sure this gets upheld
that he he will not uphold the meaning of this because no he's a flop people don't people don't
like him and also he's just like, it's just not going to work.
People are not going to hang the same amount of meaning.
Absolutely not.
Onto that man.
No, he has been maligned by so many people for so long.
I saw this video.
I think it was like BBC or whatever,
like in the streets,
just asking people how they felt about the passing of the queen.
And this one girl was like,
you know, I think it's sad when anyone gets to that point um she's iconic so
sorry she's passed but also like i'm not a fan of the queen or the monarchy they're like why
because if they have to ask why at this point uh i don't know the colonization the prince
andrew stuff is a little weird like she stopped sort of saying any diana stuff but like also that
like any depiction of
them like you're not gonna love charles after it because he's shitty and like yeah like it she was
very important to them because i think in many ways like she was keeping a pretty divided country
like arguably more so than our country like kind of, at least in like a cultural fabric that hadn't been ripped apart yet.
But Charles is extremely polarizing.
I mean,
like perhaps,
um,
even more polarizing effect on the country is just like,
you know,
ascended to the throne.
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Do you want to do your I Don't Think So Honey because it's on theme you go first sure i'll go first
okay well guess what everyone this is iconic bowen yang's i don't think so honey and his time
starts now i don't think so honey gq putting out a story that calls king charles the third
uh menswear icon and he's been one for ages let's's please not do this, okay? The man grew up with Argyle bolts of clothing around him.
He didn't have to, like, find it for himself.
Someone gave those things to him.
He was given a Rolex.
He was given a Longines watch.
He was given this stuff, okay?
He did not have to curate this for himself.
30 seconds.
And he needs all the help he can get to distract
from that crazy face he has it's crazy let's not do this let's not call him a style icon he doesn't
need to be called that he doesn't want to be called that's not why he does any of this let's
just like be a little bit more sparing with us I mean that this is this is where the word icon
has sort of hit its peak and
there's a nadir like we're going downhill
from here no more use the
word icon that applies to us I'm sorry Matt
okay that's one minute
I'm so sorry I take it back you're not an icon
I take it back thank you and you're not an icon
either you're an icon consort
I'm the Camilla to the icon you're the camilla to icon status
we are both icon consorts actually it's real culture number 12 we are both icon consorts
i'm comfortable with that i'm very comfortable with that oh my god okay okay i have one i must
do here we go this is matt rogers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so
honey no bravo in canada okay what am i supposed to do with any second of my life that's not working
i'm here in toronto ontario canada and you can't get bravo here i guess they just don't know who
erica jane even is so how do they know how to commiserate in the streets about how evil she's
become i don't think so honey that i've watched the real housewives of atlanta reunion i can't
weigh in on the seating chart i can't tell you if sheree sorry sheree now i got my sheree ray is confused
now because of the gamut i can't tell you if sheree or you know marlo deserve to be next to
next to andy at the reunion i don't know how they're presenting the drama of the season
i have not seen anything i don't know what i'm gonna do over the next two weeks we got big aspen
episodes and i gotta watch them the next day.
Usually I do that on Peacock, but I got to tell you something.
I don't think so.
I know Peacock in Canada.
You can't even get the cock.
I'm going to have to search high, low and far to try to download it on iTunes.
Like it's the year 1902 downloading on iTunes.
I don't think so, honey.
No Bravo.
That's no Bravo.
And that's one minute. Honey,n get the vpn on the computer
everything here is on something called crave and it was so funny because during the emmys it was
like congratulations to crave on their staggering amount of nominations more than any other network
i'm like yeah mama there's no other network everything it's like crave is like water it's
like there's no alternative to it it's like you gotta drink water what you can do drink milk milk doesn't have any nominations this year
water has all the nominations every year so sad for milk it's not the 90s anymore boo
damn they had their moment um get a vpn and then just watch it on um i'll i'll teach you how to do
it teach me how to do it teach me how to do it teach me how to dougie teach me how to dougie
you want to end every episode with a song
this has been an iconic culture
really good culture catch up
really good culture catch up
yes let's end it
must have been cold there
in my shadow
to never have
sunlight on
your face
you were
content to let me
shine
that's your way
you always
walked a step
behind
did you
ever know that you're my hero?
Did I change the key?
No, no, no, you're good.
Did you ever know that you're my hero?
You're everything I wish I could be
I could fly Let my knee go
Cause you are the wind
Beneath my wings
That one goes out to all the EMI's producers.
Bye.
Bye.
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