Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "This Is A Fun Table!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

The highs and lows of the 74th annual Primetime Emmy Awards, Sheryl Lee Ralph's winning moment, positive advance reviews for Glass Onion: A Knives Out Story, Kate Berlant's incredible new live show Ka...te, Lea Michele's tour de force as Fanny Brice in Funny Girl, a positive review of The Little Mermaid trailer, the fallout of the Queen's demise and more in a culture catchup with Icon Consorts Matt and Bowen!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:45 and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists.
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Starting point is 00:02:29 Big episode. Big episode. We have a choice to make up top. Okay, what's the choice? Do we want this to be Honesty Zone style? I mean, it feels like you came on here cooking. It feels like my girl came on here fucking cooking, ready to either rock or roll. by rock i mean go honesty zone
Starting point is 00:02:45 like pop off or roll like sort of roll through like like ducking hard top ducking i don't want to duck can i just say that is that is not my i would rather rock i would rather rock you know what i mean okay let's fucking rock then let's literally rock I am cooked past tense adjective I have not gotten sleep that's the thing I need the most in this world that's the thing that's a basic human need and a right
Starting point is 00:03:16 I would say you got it's your right to be able to sleep you actually have to what you must do is just so I didn't realize I wasn't sleeping last. I don't know if anyone, any readers out there have this. We're just like for a few days in a row, you've been stressed out about whatever it is, any given thing. And you realize you really haven't slept.
Starting point is 00:03:33 And then you have what I would consider really legally a short coma. The other night I slept for 13.5 hours. I'm so jealous. I have not had that kind of sleep in years. Years. Years? Sleep should be sanctified into human rights, into law, and you would be breaking the law
Starting point is 00:03:56 if you did not get at least seven hours of sleep every night. You'd be breaking the law. So say goodbye to the club. Say goodbye to the drugs that keep you up all night. Oh, listen. They're illegal for that reason. Let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:04:10 I agree. Let me ask you a question. On any given night, how many hours do you sleep? And let's actually get into this. Yeah. How many hours on any given night? Five, four, five, six. If I'm lucky, it's not good.
Starting point is 00:04:23 It's been like this for the past i would say like 18 months it's not been good whoa okay that explains a lot of my vibe in the last year i feel like i'm just like i'm just dragging and i'm like i'm dour and i'm not i don't like myself and this is where this is the energy i'm coming in with and i'm sorry and I apologize in advance and you Matt Rodgers is my friend as the show biz legend as decreed by Jennifer Lewis herself way too early to say in my career give me two more years 18 more months you do not have
Starting point is 00:04:54 to really console me in this I'm just being honesty zone right now towards you and saying that I'm realizing that that's at the source that's the source of all of this and I'm and I'm realizing that I didn't have that great of a time last night at the Emmy Awards for
Starting point is 00:05:10 various reasons I'm very glad that my mother got to meet my auntie Sandra oh that's such a special moment I saw the picture that was so great I bet Sandra was so lovely Sandra was so lovely and she took a pic she
Starting point is 00:05:26 was like we need to get a canadian picture so it's me sandra martin short and lauren michaels got a picture together and it's really nice marty short that's amazing how was martin short was he hamming it up with him it's like you don't mind it you're just like let him go remember okay remember that night and fire that day on fire island i almost wanted to tell him this but i mean marty was was just like chopping it up yeah going going off at dinner after the the show and then um i turned to sudi's i brought sudi with me to this dinner and then i turned to sudi and i told some of the other people at the table i was like there was one morning on fire island this year where we woke up and our friend patrick was just like we need to watch jiminy glick videos oh yeah this is great
Starting point is 00:06:08 this is such a morning jiminy glick is the funniest shit i've ever seen in my life there's near not nearly enough respect for jiminy glick and also martin short at large my my personal vote for that category did go to steve mart, but Martin Short was Martin Short. Marty is a legend. It is tough to watch fat suit humor and be like, oh, wow. But all that aside,
Starting point is 00:06:36 if I can separate that, I don't know if I should, but if I can separate that, I go Wonderful Comedy. I also just woke up to some bullshit like some people deliberately misinterpreting the tony bennett joke that i made oh come on as being like as i was like as being about dementia no no it's a little freaking out it's an it's an ageist joke sure i'll cop to that it's a joke about age 100 that that doesn't make it ageist I
Starting point is 00:07:06 Alzheimer has affected me and my family like it's that's not what it's about it was a joke about a young woman taking care of older men I can't even I can't even I shouldn't have even gone this far into it conversationally with you my friends
Starting point is 00:07:23 with the readers by the way so many so many, so many lovely, lovely publicist readers, actual publicists who got to meet last night. Some lovely people who were working the event after,
Starting point is 00:07:37 the governor's event after. There was one guy who I passed by with my mom. He goes, I'm a Katie. I was like, what? It was very, very nice to see the Katie's out in full force. Oh, I have something to tell you off the mic. You know, I've met some people recently who have really, really, really come forward and identified themselves as Katie's. And sometimes I have the heart to tell them, like, I'm so sorry to have led you down this path.
Starting point is 00:08:01 You are not a Katie anymore. You're back to being a reader. Because they come up with such pride in being a Katie. And I don't want to take that from them. So you know what I say to everyone out there? Self-identify. And that's actually rule of culture number 45. You know what I say to everyone out there? Self-identify.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Maybe there are factions, period. Maybe that there is. Oh no, did we start a civil war within our own fan com unity? Like the Katie's and the readers like, oh man, it is giving Oh no, did we start a civil war within our own fancom unity? Like the Katie's and the readers? It is giving red state, blue state. There aren't enough civil wars.
Starting point is 00:08:31 We'll call them a fandom. I don't like to say that we have stans, that we have a stan population the way that pop stars might, but stans, stanhoods don't have civil wars enough of the time. No,
Starting point is 00:08:45 they stick together. I wish, but not until now. Until now, tear each other apart. Until now. Well, can we,
Starting point is 00:08:53 I'm, I'm, I'm understanding you and hearing you that it was a stressful, um, not very sleep filled evening. You did look absolutely great. You, I loved your suit suit i thought your bit
Starting point is 00:09:06 with keenan was amazing you brought some energy to the proceedings which they needed um i was watching at home and mama the shots were being called very late i also didn't realize because i was in i'm in canada right now shooting yeah and the word fuck slipped through so many times i was like are the people that are doing these speeches like deliberately just saying fuck and are they missing it and then i remembered like the standards are different in canada but there was so much cursing last night and it kind of just felt like my thing is like with with the with the i don't give a fuck literally if people curse but it kind of just felt like okay you know this is like an event that everyone in america is
Starting point is 00:09:44 watching you know there's like decorum with speeches and if everyone is the person to say fuck damn hell shit ass see you know all these things like then it kind of loses its novelty so for everyone to be the potty mouth of the night is kind of like all right chill people we understand you're cool and throw some fucks around i know i. I mean, how many years has the FCC been around? Like, it's... I feel like it's just not quite as shocking anymore to curse on television.
Starting point is 00:10:13 Also, I don't think so, honey. I'm not gonna curse and then cursing. Like, that joke is hacked to me. I mean... And all due respect to every winner who played that game. Can I just say there were so many amazing moments though like Shirley Ralph wow what was that like
Starting point is 00:10:31 because when they cut to her in the crowd she really wasn't expecting it what a legend what a legend and I mean okay I will say this I think I had some conversations with people who were in the room and congratulations to Michael Keaton legend for winning for dope sick for that to
Starting point is 00:10:49 be the first award of the night. And for someone who is as seasoned of an actor as he, for someone who's won awards in his past, he goes up, he gives a pretty, I don't know, like I would say like, um,
Starting point is 00:11:02 rehearsed speech. Right. And there was no, like there was no magic to it. You needed something light. That's why, like, I always like it when the supporting categories go first. I like when someone starts off the night, sets the tone in a way that's like, oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:11:21 Oh, this is amazing. This is lovely. Wow. Thank you so much. So, to go from, and Murray Bartlett gave you some of that. Yeah, oh my God. Oh, this is amazing. This is lovely. Wow, thank you so much. So to go from, and Murray Bartlett gave you some of that. I think Michael Keaton kind of comes on. Well, first of all, okay, let's back up.
Starting point is 00:11:33 Oprah walking out was a huge shock in the room. I would imagine. And like, you know, my mom just kind of goes, what? Yeah. Feet away from Oprah, like crazy. And then Michael Keaton wins this award. It was just like, we were kind of lurching through various like vibes between Oprah coming on. Someone like Oprah coming on, you expect to be like something that picks up the show, like in the middle of it or towards the end.
Starting point is 00:12:05 So that happens. Michael Keaton wins and gives this speech. That's very like lovely. Um, Murray wins anyway. And I just think like the, the, the,
Starting point is 00:12:16 the tones, as you said, were weird until Cheryl goes up and sings endangered species. And the whole room was silent, just taking this in and Ooh like her her saying this is what believing looks like really impacted that whole fucking theater like it was she gave you something you could feel that's for sure i mean like just like hearing her she hearing her name and i voted for janelle James, but hearing her name get said out loud, everyone that I know said they screamed yes. Like, I was watching it with Joel.
Starting point is 00:12:51 We're here in Toronto working on something. And Joel and I were watching it, and we just both were like, yes! Like, how can you not, as a fan of, just like, it feels like anything, not have been touched by Cheryl Lee Ralph in some way. You know what I mean? Like if you don't know her from like six sister act two or like from dream girls, Moesha, like,
Starting point is 00:13:13 you know, Abbott elementary now, like it just, you know, I know she's a peer of Jennifer's and Jennifer sometimes talks about their relationship. And in fact, Cheryl Lee Ralph is,
Starting point is 00:13:22 um, she's in the book and, you know, she actually was she was actually met uh mentioned in an article about jennifer recently and they talk so fondly about each other but when shirley ralph was up there on stage i sort of felt like a lot of like pride and like utmost respect for her like a truly a figure of great esteem and respect and dignity and talent and beauty like a great fortune of
Starting point is 00:13:45 beauty and a great fortune of beauty she sits on a throne of great fortune of beauty and she so took that moment like a pro but like a pro in the way that really reminded me of jennifer and that it was spontaneous and it felt like almost like a word it felt like it was giving it was she was feeling the spirit and she was allowing something through her and also not for nothing but she really cleared and took her moment to actually produce a really sick vocal like mama was open and sounded good and then not only she didn't stop the speech there when she could she continued on with her gratitude and her just like illustrious career like just that she just was mounting that stage and giving it to everybody and it never de-heightened it was truly from her soul and she gave it to everyone with the raised fist at the end and that emmy in the air
Starting point is 00:14:41 and i said that is someone who deserves this moment and i think what you're maybe pulling from the michael keaton of it all because i was also a little bit bored is this is someone we've now seen give many speeches you know what i mean and he also wonderful act he was so stunning in his speech so beautiful in his speech from the critics choice awards that it almost feels like when you see someone give a speech a lot and like you know not necessarily set up to orate in that moment sometimes it is nice and with these with these award shows that come at the end of a particular cycle and the emmy is like we've all been talking about these shows for so fucking long now yeah it feels like the the degree of spontaneity is lower the conversations around TV cycles is timed such that
Starting point is 00:15:26 there is no like respite whereas with like Oscar with films it's like okay like you got like you can just chill out in the summer you know like spring summer just chill spring summer and more September more September but then more
Starting point is 00:15:42 September into the fall and winter festivals that's when you pay attention that's when you're like okay this is this is what we're going to talk about leading into March like all the way up to the Oscars like there's like a pretty time bound aspect to that with TV it's like you're watching these shows all year you're talking
Starting point is 00:15:58 about them all year so that by the time you get to the Emmys you're a little bit like unclenched and you're releasing all of this fatigue maybe and you're like okay here we go and it's all of these and it all comes rushing back to you're like oh that's right um there was white lotus i mean white lotus was like a year and a half ago it was 18 years ago we were children when it came out i remember i remember when the iphone came out the same time as white lotus i don't know what i'm saying i'm watching
Starting point is 00:16:31 i finally watched the dropout and it's oh it's great it's great she's very deserving she's very deserving absolutely very deserving i think that show does a really good job of like depicting technology that isn't too far in the past but isn't that recent either yeah anyway um and the thing to it is the thing with the dropout too and the elizabeth holmes of it all is it had to be something that she ostensibly could sort of really make up but had to be believable enough and that feels very now you know what i mean it is it sort of speaks to you know the fire festival cons of it all and it's like it michael show altered like go off king like you really directed the shit out of that i mean it was it was exactly what you're saying it was believable enough but also like what this is
Starting point is 00:17:14 continuing yeah performance is great um but anyway that i think that's that's the weird thing about tv seasons is that you're like okay you're there's so much consumption the volume is crazy as we all know um well it's also like like white there was white lotus that was truly from like last fall yeah and then it feels like well what happened this year i think anyway is that it just so happened that fucking everything came out in like april and may and then it was like so overloaded so so for all these shows to make a run for it so hard in April and May towards the end of the eligibility, and then for it to just be like Ted Lasso and White Lotus, you're like, okay. It just goes to show you don't have to show up right when the voting is happening. You just have to be something they like, and they clearly still love Ted Lasso.
Starting point is 00:18:03 I was really surprised to not see a couple more wins go barry's way because people are so obsessed with that show people are so obsessed with that show i mean can i just say henry winkler is first of all delivers an incredible performance and barry both funny and dramatic at the same time. It's not a separate, he doesn't separate those things. He kind of collapses them into the same performance at various turns. But I'll just say, incredibly kind man, got to meet him and his wife and chat with them.
Starting point is 00:18:38 Oh, that's great. I was, I just was like, I can't believe I'm talking to him and much less am in the same category as this man, but that's not what matters. But he and I both went to the bathroom after we lost and then I just like tapped him on the shoulder. I was like, I was rooting for you, Henry. And he turns to me and goes, I was
Starting point is 00:18:55 rooting for you. And then I don't know. He was rooting for himself. I don't believe that at all, but it was just nice to hear that. It was just nice to receive that from him and then walk to the bathroom together and we, I'll say it peed in the same urinal
Starting point is 00:19:11 and peed in adjacent urinals we crossed streams beautifully with eye contact, you and the Fonz I would love to cross streams Iceberg and the Fonz that's beautiful that title of that Iceberg and the fawns that's beautiful yes that title of that that was my p-bo bryson fantasy yeah that's good there was lots of good things that happened i'm
Starting point is 00:19:33 really excited for quinta oh my god you know that was that was awesome i feel like that shows like really arrived now i feel like shirley when shirley won i thought oh my god maybe they're gonna sweep everything and I thought Quinta would win actress and also series, but it feels like they still are on their Ted Lasso zhuzh. So, did you get to meet Kelly again? Did you get to talk to Kelly Clarkson when she showed up
Starting point is 00:19:56 on stage ice cream? I didn't get to talk to Kelly again. I got to walk past her dressing room. It was next to the gifting suite. But, can we talk about her singing Losing My Mind? Oh, I just watched it before we got on so kelly clarkson shows back it's now on the 4 p.m eastern standard time time slot the ellen time slot there's a lot of pressure she has been delivering she did cover welcome to new york by taylor swift yesterday for her first big episode because they're doing episodes from
Starting point is 00:20:19 new york and today we got losing my mind from stephenondheim's follies. And it was quote retweeted on a tweet that said, put Kelly Clarkson on Broadway, which I have to agree with. This was a great, lovely performance. She really gave it to you. There was no doubt in our minds that she would not be a stellar interpreter of Sondheim,
Starting point is 00:20:40 but this, but I agree. We must agree with that tweet. We must co-sign. Kelly tells a story but wait just back to the Emmys of it all for a second when she came out it was so funny to me which presenters they decided to give comedic copy
Starting point is 00:20:52 and which they didn't I don't know I was just watching at home and I was like sort of befuddled by some of the presenters being given joke copy and some not and I was just like well if they're not comedic performers probably they shouldn't be getting the joke copy. And then Kelly Clarkson came out and like, she's
Starting point is 00:21:08 like a funny person. She's like a host. And basically what they gave her was like, alright y'all, this is best actress. And I just want to say that it's so amazing to even be nominated. So congrats to all you ladies on that. It's so cool. So cool. Alright, anyway, so the winner is, and I'm like, what?
Starting point is 00:21:23 Give the girl something to say. I don't know. Wow, isn't it fucking inspiring for women to be nominated? Yes. Soleil, Queens,
Starting point is 00:21:31 and I was just like, what is going, it wasn't even that much. It was just like, Vanessa and Molly killed. Vanessa and Molly killed. You have to watch their interview they did backstage
Starting point is 00:21:43 after they presented. It's so sweet they're both just loving on each other going like i did watch it we're both we're both from cleveland we just love each other no and then at one point vanessa goes we're both from cleveland so we have the same the same and then molly goes values values and then vanessa's like, vibe. Oh, yeah. Values. Oh, yeah. Values. Oh, my God. Can I say? So funny. Values. Here's who was at my table.
Starting point is 00:22:08 Okay. It was, okay. My table was me, my mother, Kate, McKinnon, Lorne Michaels, Seth and Amy, Molly, Vanessa, Vanessa's friend, Gwen, and Sandra Oh. And it was crazy. But Molly looks around, looks at everybody at the table when we sit down when the show starts. She goes,
Starting point is 00:22:30 this is the most Molly Shannon thing. She goes, this is a fun table. Yeah. This is a fun table. I love this table. I wouldn't want to be at any other table. It was very that. I wouldn't. But you know what?
Starting point is 00:22:45 When White Lotus won molly was like molly was just clapping at our table she's like oh that's so nice i'm like and i turned to molly go molly you should go up there like all the cast as she goes no no i'm good i'm good i'm so happy for them i was like molly stannon you're on that show oh that isn't that great yeah we shot that we we really shot that in hawaii we did and i loved it because i could bring my daughter no i'm not going up i'm not gonna go up no because i was only in most of it you know they were in all of it i was only in most of it it was like molly this is this is the most molly shannon thing she was like no no i was like like Molly what are you talking about
Starting point is 00:23:26 I honestly adore her and also the fact that like he thanked her as one of like two inspirations for it oh wow I missed that part yeah he said he was like he said something like oh and thank you so much to Jennifer Coolidge, Molly Shannon
Starting point is 00:23:40 they're my friends they were what inspired me to write it I have a feeling that he wrote a lot of those parts with like specific actors in mind by the way they they put out the teaser for the new season and it's set in sicily right and um it looks really interesting and speaking of sequels something i wanted to touch on you know what got rave reviews out of the toronto international film festival was glass onion knives out too which i saw the cast and like i saw them all talking about it and that looks like a fun table that looks like a fun table molly would want to sit at that table i mean and you know it has my avatar kate hudson oh my god she really acts like my my impression
Starting point is 00:24:23 of her she really really does what did she say in this and in this in this table she was like she basically she's like being interviewed about knives out to glass onion and she's got her like fabulous outfit on she's like sitting on the corner so that she can use the armrest you know because i feel like she her her like essential gesture is like leaning her armrest and then getting up and like giving you a little lean back but never can't decide whether she can like lean or not so she's saying like it's her and janelle sort of like running the show and like the rest of the actors are just sitting there being like yeah i guess they're they do talk the most and they're like kate goes i swear to god like we would do murder mystery it was so fun
Starting point is 00:24:57 so to be doing a murder mystery movie and then still want to do a murder mystery party on the weekends i don't know it was just really fun and then they go to everyone. So who was the best at murder mystery? And they all look at Kate Hudson and she's like, what? Oh my God. I was really into it. You know what guys? It makes me feel really happy that you said that.
Starting point is 00:25:16 And I was like, I'm Kate. You are Kate. Oh my God. You're right. I was the best. That's so funny. It's at Cape Orlando. Kate. No, Matt Rogers is Kate Hudson. That's, you're right. I was the best. That's so funny. Kate Burland is Kate. No, Matt Rodgers
Starting point is 00:25:27 is Kate Hudson. That's a rule of culture. Rule of culture number 22. Kate Burland is Kate. No, more like Matt Rodgers is Kate Hudson. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City are back. I love that. I love that.
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Starting point is 00:26:14 On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.
Starting point is 00:26:34 Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 00:27:14 or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations. I was a desperate delusional dreamer and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an
Starting point is 00:27:48 anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and basketball Hall of Famer.
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Starting point is 00:29:09 us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeartWomen Sports. Talk about that show. I did see Kate Berlandant in Kate. And listen, this was exemplary.
Starting point is 00:29:31 Like in terms of not only just a comedy show or, you know, an alt, you know, comedy experience. It's like a journey into her mind. Oh, it's transcended that. It really is. And have you seen it yet? No. No, I'm dying to. I will pay any price to see it.
Starting point is 00:29:48 I know the tickets are steep. But it's worth it. But it's theater. This is when theater is exciting. When you're like, wow, I really... It's a must-see thing. It has that feeling about it. And I've just heard them.
Starting point is 00:30:06 I've read... I don't want to read all of the reviews because i don't want to i don't want to you know to i don't get going with too much context yeah you know i don't think it can really be tipped for you in a way what i'll say about it is that actually as i was leaving i was thinking to myself like how would i describe this and i would just say you know if you're a kate burlant fan it feels like her at her most realized and i have a feeling that probably a lot of people that listen to this podcast a lot of the readers probably also listen to poog and if you are big fans of kate's like this is a really cool show to see it's just directed to absolute perfection by beau burnham i mean the aesthetic is very clear. You would absolutely love it. You would absolutely love it.
Starting point is 00:30:49 You really would. Of course I would. Oh my God. It's that thing where I remember the conversations that I would first have. This was like 2013, 2014. I remember like someone came into a pop roulette rehearsal. I think it was Amanda. It was Amanda Schachtman.
Starting point is 00:31:07 And she was like, you guys, I just saw this amazing standup show. And it wasn't like Kate's show, but it was like Kate doing a set. And it was like, at that point I'd heard of, I knew John early, but I knew that he was doing shows with, or he was doing stuff with Kate. Hearing Kate be described as one thing, and then you watch her perform, and it's this really wild, electrifying thing that, like, I think people I think it might have been some
Starting point is 00:31:37 it was some piece, I forget what it was in, but they write about how people are still sort of writing checks on the sensibilities that John john and kate have sort of created and i but here's what i think about that because i do think there used to be a narrative at least in like the new york comedy community that kate and john quote unquote get copied and i think that like while that may have been true because people were very strongly influenced by what they've what they did and what they were so good at i think everyone that tried to copy them is sort of no longer doing it because
Starting point is 00:32:12 they failed at doing it as well or realized that was a narrative and therefore abandoned it and tried to like you do find your own fucking thing because they did get there were speech patterns in the way that they would speak on stage and they do share some i mean i think they would even come to that like sometimes i do see john and kate and kate and john but they are so an entity that it's like you know that doesn't feel like a weird rub to me other people younger than them obviously would rip the way that they spoke and now i don't see them doing it that much anymore i'm not i'm not even i'm i'm not even like attaching any sort of value judgment on that i i go of course you're gonna try on like another person's thing you're gonna
Starting point is 00:33:02 channel something else as you are on your own journey to your own point of view. Like that, that, that, that is totally normal. I, I just feel like that's there. Like, I don't think that many people are like, not to narcissistically put myself in that equation, but like, people aren't copying me, you know what I'm saying? Or people aren't like, trying to use my voice in something and so that's like the difference where i go well john and kate really found something um and even let's just like distinguish the two like kate found something very very very specific in the way she performs narcissism like i don't know it's just really really great there's there's an art to it and like i'm finishing parker
Starting point is 00:33:43 posey's book finally and i'm I'm like, oh, these are artists. This is something that you really build out your self... It affects your output because it comes from a differently conceived
Starting point is 00:34:01 self concept. I'm talking out of my ass, but's like you know what i mean it's like yes i i do think that in discussing kate's work sometimes i do get a little like turned around and i think that what i love about her so much is that if you actually just sit there and watch it it's actually a lot more simple than than you think and i also think the fact that you think that kate is going to present this heady like odyssey of the mind is part of her magic trick because you go there and so much of the show is about actual superficiality in that base way yeah yeah you know what it's funny like back when i was a little
Starting point is 00:34:46 bit more self-conscious as a comedian and i think back when i didn't know my own voice so much i would actually get intimidated by people like john kate and jacqueline novak and you know because i figured like they were operating on a level that i could not possibly understand and i think that trips people up you go to their show. And you just sit there. And this show was actually made exactly for me. I left that being like. Oh my god.
Starting point is 00:35:13 That was such a ripping open. Of the like. Emotional psychological wounds. You only find in therapy. Because you admit it to yourself. About what it means wanting attention. truly and i think that like because she's so smart and because beau is such a great eye on it it seems so vast and then in the comedy it's actually really simple and what i'm most blown away by with caper land is her sheer control as a performer she is so in her body and she
Starting point is 00:35:51 she plays every note of her own instrument like oh my god it's just so like it's it's very lived in in a way and like i hesitate to say dropped in because it's not that it's actually beyond because because she's it's it's both broad and also really really small in a way that she's aware of and like a lot of the show is about it's like an it's like a you know exploration on on how she's perceived as a performer and what that does to her own psyche and i think that you know the it's it's just great i mean like i really loved it wow and this bass is great yeah connelly's great that's where circle jerk was it was awesome um but wow hearing you talk about hearing you talk about her control is really cool. Well, I told her after that it inspired me.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Oh, great. Yeah. And you will process that in your own way and it'll come out perfectly. This is what's eating at me from last night. Yeah, what's up? I just look at myself in these photos and i go what the hell am i doing like why is like it's it's that thing where oh god this is what makes this business really crazy is that if you're good at it then that means you like if you're good at that part of it then that means um that you think about this constantly i don't know i just and then i
Starting point is 00:37:29 watched back the bit i did with keenan and i look at myself and i go there's no i have no idea what i'm i have no control over what i'm doing my delivery my intention behind this like that's not true no it's no, I'm telling you. I walked out there and I kind of blacked out, I think. Yeah. And thank God Keenan was there next to me because if it was just me by myself on that stage, I would have had a heart attack on live television.
Starting point is 00:37:57 I was just... I was just like... And that's not a natural environment for anyone to be in. And let me just say, I have no interest in actually hosting a show like that. It's crazy to me that anyone would want to do that, except for a unicorn like Kenan Thompson, except for some late night hosts, like, you know, all the late night hosts we have but for someone like me i watch back that set that thing that bit and i go what the fuck am i doing with my face my body like why am i moving around like this it's it's not even artistic things it's stupid shit like that where i go oh i hate this i hate looking at myself that way i'm just being this is honesty so this is the honesty zone that i was kind of wanting to maybe bring in and i'm sorry if it's dragging us down a bit in the um in the vibe but i just that's that that's my honesty zone moment well not to
Starting point is 00:38:52 therapize but i totally understand everything that you're saying and i think that it's um very normal to watch yourself back on something like the emmys not be like, look at me. I look perfect. Look at how I know my angles. Oh, didn't miss a speck of that light. I hit the light. Look at me on my goddamn mark. And not a stumble? Incredible.
Starting point is 00:39:14 I will tell you this, Bowen, from my perspective, what the show really needed at that point was energy. And you brought so much energy. And the crowd was so excited to see you. I understand and this is how I understand this about you because I see the way that you rehearse and I see the way that you prepare and I know I understand with you that it's very important to be on top of the little things. It doesn't matter. It doesn't't matter you were one of the presenter highlights those jokes were actual jokes and you delivered them with an energy and with a confidence whether it was feigned or not that definitely absolutely read to the audience and if even if i wasn't your best
Starting point is 00:40:01 friend sitting with your other best friend i would would have been like, well, thank God. Because you can't fake that thing of just comic timing. You can't fake energy. You can't fake confidence like that. And you can't fake experience like the one that you had. At the same time, do I think it's normal that you look at yourself in that environment and think, well, fuck. Yeah. And I think that that's probably
Starting point is 00:40:25 shared by a lot more people not that you need to like go to aa with these hollywood stars and presenters that are like you know hi my name is reese witherspoon and i think my hair is too long right now and i don't like the way i looked on the emmys hi i do want i do want to go to that meeting honestly i think that would be a really fun meeting just to sort of hey guys my name is andea and um actually i have no problems yeah by the way gag um but but i understand and i just want to say you're not looking for me to like say no no no that's not true but no no no that's not true and also like i was only proud of you and like only thought that you looked natural i do think that there is a certain way you can go about it as like a comedic presence where it's like everything about what i'm doing here is like funny and haha and lol and like i
Starting point is 00:41:18 understand like is that maybe where you're at like you wish to be more of like a confident comedic presence in the entire thing yeah i don't i don't want to go on stage and be like what oh what like that's that's the vibe is that i feel frenetic and i don't want that to be part of my projection anymore i don't want to project that outwardly and i can really work on that. And look, I'm so lucky. You weren't projecting that though, babe. You weren't projecting that. You're perceiving that. Sure.
Starting point is 00:41:52 I'm so lucky that I get to... I'm actually very excited about the season of SNL. I did not say that last year. I did not say that the year before. I'm going to the season very excited. Good'm going to the season. Very excited. Good.
Starting point is 00:42:08 And I hope, and even if I'm disappointed, if I'm disappointed in any way, it'll be fine. I think I've built up the, yeah. You know, Amy Pola writes about this in her book about wanting the cookie.
Starting point is 00:42:22 You remember this? And yes, please. She writes about this. And there's so much great stuff in Amy Poly polis yes please and it was really fun to see her and seth present together i'll say that so fun um but in amy polis yes please she discusses the thing of um the promise of the cookie when you get nominated at an award show like that or really with anything like in any respective career path that you're in when there's like an opportunity for a promotion or like you know a bonus or something or an opportunity to
Starting point is 00:42:49 shine amongst your peers in an extraordinary way or a special way that's going to have some recognition it's like you don't want to care about it because it's not cool to care about it that being said everyone around you cares about it and you care more than you think because you're programmed to of course want recognition from your peers and of course be told that you're doing a great job like especially like in the arts and the entertainment industry like i'm reading betty gilpin's fantastic book right now and oh my god am i excited to have her on the show but she also says like yeah it's this weird thing of like self-deprecation that rubs up against like you know actual self-hatred sometimes and
Starting point is 00:43:32 the need for attention and the wrestling with that need you know it's a weird thing this is what it talks about the cookie and how you know you want it and then you don't get it and you feel stupid for wanting it it's weird it's weird exactly it. God, of course, Betty would get it right. I'm exhausted. I got a decent amount of sleep last night. I'll say, I think I got, I think I hit six hours. So I'm not like, that's so crazy that that's decent. That's not good. But I am drained to the bone. And I think it's because of a night like last night that is so emotionally weird, tensile. It's so emotionally like all over the place in the way that it's pulling you in so many directions that you're like, I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about this. And so let me get to the end.
Starting point is 00:44:23 And I'm sorry that this is a therapy session but it feels like I've had I'm having to like organize my thoughts around this in the immediate aftermath so thank you for being a friend and listening you ever think about talking to like do you ever talk to 80 about this stuff
Starting point is 00:44:40 oh all the time but he is someone who I think is being so thoughtful about her relationship to all of this to the pageantry of of shit like this where she is completely i think she is like really i don't i don't want to speak on her life but i think she is like taking a minute to just like chill out not really engage in too much like outwardly facing stuff yeah and i i yearned for that i yearned for that um but anyway this is what i'll say about us if we were to ever host and i only and look let me just get this out of the way
Starting point is 00:45:21 am i a little like i'm like part of me is saying like, oh, we shouldn't talk about this. It's so self-indulgent for us to talk about the hypothetical thing of us hosting an award show one day. But we literally just did that at Lincoln Center. Even though it was like a fake bastardized parody version of it.
Starting point is 00:45:36 There was an element of it that felt real, right? And that's because I think the reason why Culture Awards got out of its own way and succeeded was because you and I were stupid and ironic enough about it, but also took it so seriously. We made it seem like an important, prestigious award and that the ceremony of the night was so important and amazing. And award shows now have not done that at all. It's always been about the host coming out, except for Keenan, but it's always been about the host coming up being like, oh, hey, we're all here.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Okay. Well, this is the part of the show where like the wink is not even a wink anymore. It's like a, an eyebrow raise and a shrug. It's like, yeah, well, this is what it is. Award shows need to go back to the thing where people are like, the people who are like emceeing are going, oh my God, it's that time of the night where people are like the people who are like emceeing are going oh my god it's that time of the night where we you know like that needs to come back
Starting point is 00:46:30 yeah and I think in like in like a this is what I'll say about last night and I couldn't I couldn't be a bigger Kenan fan that whole opening with the dancing I didn't get it at all like it felt like it didn't feature him then not for nothing like the transitions between like the
Starting point is 00:46:47 bits were very lazy they were not like they nothing had like no no sketch they did was blacked out adore sam jay but like wish she was hosting more than keenan was and that was a little confusing the constant cuts to a voice that the audience couldn't see like the she was not cued correctly like the presenters were at the mic while she was still doing like announcer bits like it just was it was not done well and so that was frustrating to watch people all deserved a better a better produced show in the control room. The writers did a great job. From what I know, I feel like the dance routine was thrown at them at the last minute. And it literally was a thing. Yeah, and I'm sure Kenan wasn't that thrilled about it.
Starting point is 00:47:38 I think he was so charming throughout the show. It just felt like that opening took something from him. And then the way we went into the first award was like so bizarre and that was my big global note on the whole thing was i was just like why do i feel like we're like racing to start this show and then the way the way that the dance montage in the beginning ended felt like it didn't have a finale no did it feel like that in the room for to start with friends was such a weird thing and then i think it went to brady bunch the law and order dance really threw me out the window i was like of course these people with guns
Starting point is 00:48:15 that should have been i don't yeah i don't know i think it was that was cuckoo well first of all i we we had terrible seats we had no monitor in our view we did not know what was being we didn't know what was being shown to people at home um or or like had no context for what was happening in other sections of the theater i mean i appreciate the risk they took where it's like club seating for one half and then like row seating for the other half but it was very hard there was no no center. There was no center. There was no central place to look at for people in the room and for people at home.
Starting point is 00:48:48 I'm sure it was disorienting. And I will say, I want to be like, who's this for? Who is this for? It's not for people in the room. It's not for the people at home. It's just so that like
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Starting point is 00:53:03 Wait, this is... Unforgettable. Background. Bone and I did go great i mean also we saw her a second night like and really a great performance i mean the production we we had we had notes on the stage we got got notes this episode. But I think they're good notes. They're good notes. And they're with good intention. We're not drags. They're not dragging.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Yeah. At one point, I could feel you sort of tensing up next to me in your seat. And you just lurch forward and go, I cannot stand the staging. I go, I was like like this makes no sense i was like i can't see it doesn't make sense it doesn't show was set so far back it's set so far upstage some of it like they just they if you're sitting on the sides like in stage left or right like you were cut off from so much of the show wild wild and so maybe get a mezzanine seat honestly if you go see it like yeah because then you're guaranteed a good view you'll see everything um leah was wonderful she
Starting point is 00:54:14 was great yeah the energy of that show you could tell had shifted considerably and that the people on stage were excited that they were doing it yeah they were like oh my god our work is being recognized like people are leaping out of their seats there were five standing ovations at the show we were at yeah we had five we had two in the same song which I don't think happened the first night yeah it was um don't worry
Starting point is 00:54:37 almost to the all the way to the end of don't rain on my parade and there was a massive standing ovation and then she sang like the last truly 25 seconds of it and there was another standing ovation yep but deserved both deserved um gosh tova felt show was so good she did a fabulous job also i mean the whole cast was great i mean it there but there was a couple moments where it's true it's just like again we need to look at this like and this when When you have a performer that can actually sing people, stage people like it's the moment, for God's sakes.
Starting point is 00:55:13 The way it's staged is the two of them sitting at a table, stage right, and that Fanny gets up and like brushes his shoulder behind him as she crosses slightly closer to center but not center stage it makes zero fucking sense to me and it's people it's people it's people do you know what i literally did last night literally last night for some reason i think i was just stoned like being on YouTube. I watched Barbara's, the movie version of People. Watch that. Literally, I understand they didn't want to rip anything that Barbara was doing or from the movie. And I get that the stage production is different than the movie, but it's the same fucking song.
Starting point is 00:55:57 And whether you want to admit it or not, people are coming in with an expectation when you sing people and so they could have taken so many little cues from the movie version of it bowen i'm telling you and readers stop this right now watch the movie version of people with barbara a fucking legend and the way it's staged is small and intimate because it takes place on the street but it still feels romantic and emotional and big because she's realizing for the very first time she's actually going to acknowledge the fact that she wants a connection with someone else because she might maybe be good enough for them like it is such a big moment and they just like they let it just happen in the show even with leah and they did change some other things like the music that makes me dance like they used to cut off at the end which drove me
Starting point is 00:56:51 nuts because i guess the actress is playing the part really couldn't do the final note justice or maybe it was just a choice yeah it's a crazy note just like it's it's wild and like and it's a very hard song and very like you know very but but leah like nailed it and they changed that for her they changed the arrangement of that and that staging they also changed you know like several other things from the first time i had seen it but not enough to make it be like yes this is a knockout production that lives up to her talents in the part because some of the staging was given high school. Sorry.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Oof. Tough. Tough. With a Tony-winning, like, legendary director. I will say that I feel like Who Are You Now? At least in the... I haven't listened to the...
Starting point is 00:57:40 Oh, I listened to the Barbara Broadway version of Who Are You Now? And honestly, can I say, they turned it into a duet between Fanny and Nick. And watching Leah and Raman do that together was really, really special. I really loved that. That was a good choice. I don't have much context for Funny Girl. This was my first iteration of seeing it, which is kind of crazy.
Starting point is 00:58:03 So I'm not trying to make too many statements about it, but that was really, really great. There's a line in the book, which is Fanny sort of saying to Nick, actually it's right before people, which
Starting point is 00:58:18 kind of drove me nuts for her. There's this moment where it's like fanny and nick and you know he's like meeting her family and all her friends where she lives and you know they're having like a little flirty moment before she launches into fucking people and she says something like i haven't read many books and the whole audience like including this one loser like like ten rows behind us was literally doing that thing where it's like very audibly like quote-unquote trying not to laugh and it's like
Starting point is 00:58:50 and i was just like oh god this is going to be contagious now like freaking covid or something because everyone just started laughing so much and, like not to revisit my point last week, because I get that people disagree with me, but I just don't think this bit that she can't read is funny. Like I just don't think it's funny. It just doesn't make me laugh, even if it were done and presented in a more clever way. And it certainly doesn't make me laugh to like laugh at her expense
Starting point is 00:59:22 when she said she doesn't like the joke up there. Not that she needs protecting anymore. She's fine. But I don't know. At what point are we just going to retire this bit just because I don't think it's a good bit? I think it's reached its sort of...
Starting point is 00:59:39 You would hope. I think it's sort of reached critical mass and now we're like out of it hopefully i think what happened was since the first night all so all this shit from the first night comes out in tweets and stuff where they would you know these fucking idiots are recording the show whether it's audio or video um but someone recorded that part well i saw the tweet the the day we were gonna go see the show, like the morning after.
Starting point is 01:00:06 And people were like, there were gasps and chuckles at the line. I don't read many books. And then of course, Twitter loves that shit. And then the audio gets released where people are like, huh? Little, little,
Starting point is 01:00:20 little tiny laughs audible, but then they move on. It was a full laugh line in our show. In our show, it was a full laugh line, I think because people might have picked up on that. I don't know how online our audience was, but I think maybe there was that expectation. People were sort of white-knuckling until that line, maybe,
Starting point is 01:00:40 and then just to see how she would react. From what I could see, and maybe it's because our view of the stage was shit because of the staging we couldn't see her face we couldn't see her face I think she kind of gave a little wink not a literal wink but she like smirked
Starting point is 01:00:56 and smiled and laughed through it and so I think she was she was showing the audience that she was okay with the joke that she was gonna laugh at her own expense and have a sense of humor about the whole thing and then Ramin playing Nick also kind of broke and laughed and the two of them were laughing together
Starting point is 01:01:11 so it gave permission for the entire audience to uproariously build to a laugh and I think that's what happened and what I was seeing was she says it some like knuckleheads in the audience started laughing it became a thing and then ramin like ramin however you pronounce it um he sort of leaned into it because he didn't
Starting point is 01:01:36 know how to ignore it and he was like well this is now uh it's now a laugh line like i have to wait because like we need to and then um she said something like you want me to read your line for you she said something like that stepped out of the character yeah and um i think it was weird like he was trying to walk a line like being there for her and acknowledging that she might feel a certain way about people in the audience doing that but also trying to preserve the moment as a performer and honor the response it was getting and also potentially
Starting point is 01:02:11 wrestling with the fact that she's going to want to move past this moment. And she did. That's why she said something. I see. That makes sense. And she did. And she sings people. And it's blocking aside. It's great yeah and then um the rest of the show she's having fun and then she was great she was great she was it was really
Starting point is 01:02:33 special and i went in pretty ambivalent about leah i of course she's a terrible person or she was in the recent past but i think she you know i think it's meaningful that she is back on Broadway and that she seems very, at curtain call, it seems like this whole cast really, really likes her. And that she likes, and she likes them back. And I feel like working in a show like Glee that is just toxic all around for whatever reason, for whatever reason, like you don't know if it comes from her or if she's receiving it and she's kind of deflecting it outward. I'm not making excuses for her behavior, but I'm saying that maybe she's more in her natural environment. In theater.
Starting point is 01:03:13 In her dream role. Yeah, I don't think she should try to go back to television or movies. I think she should stay in theater. I think it's like clearly where she stands out the most and where she is the most effective because you can watch her on tv and sing these glee songs and it can't and maybe it doesn't really register like you understand she's a great singer but it doesn't actually register that she's like a very
Starting point is 01:03:35 special stage presence whereas it's clear as day with this i also think that you know and i understand that like the allegations about what she did and like on the set of glee are really tough and you know she's there must be something to the fact that like they're all in this like toxic atmosphere working on this show there's so many people with such real dark problems yeah and they're pretending to be in high school so that has to like and they're also like in i just had a four and a half hour dance rehearsal and i turned to zane eyes and i was like can you imagine being on glee and he was like oh my god i know and like like basically can embodying a high school character and being in such close proximity all the time
Starting point is 01:04:27 and working like that i'm not making any excuses for anyone's behavior but i can see how people acted like fucking shitty like and i i think it's like because people have so much fun with the persona of like how annoying a character like rachel berry is and that is like leah michelle and you know the someone spilled sauce of it all like it's funny to make jokes at her expense someone spilled sauce is still it's it's iconic i mean like and the fact that that was a real true genuine story from first person account holder you know michelle collins is something i will never forget but and it's worth a re-listen to someone Spilled Sauce, the episode with Michelle Collins to hear this Lea Michele story.
Starting point is 01:05:06 But that being said, she is where she belongs on that stage playing that part. And the show really worked because of her. And a show like that needs someone like that. And also, we do need to get excited about theater again. Because let me tell you, so much of it is so bad. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:24 Ooh. This is what I wanted to say. I didn't really want to, didn't care to talk about the illiteracy stuff, but I turned to you at one point, I think it was during intermission, I go, you know, she's doing, she's giving you just enough Barbara impression. Yeah. She's not, she's not doing the. Oh yeah, this.
Starting point is 01:05:41 She wasn't doing the, I'll say the, the beanie thing of turning the other direction and trying not to touch the Barbara thing at all, which I think is like all she was able to do. But you said to me, well, it's that thing I was listening to, an episode of Everything Iconic with Danny Pellegrino, where he was interviewing Jodie Benson. This was a great interview, everyone.
Starting point is 01:06:02 You should go listen to that. I got to listen to it. But you told me that she says that whenever she sings part of your world live or on a re-recording or something, she always does the same exact thing, sings the same
Starting point is 01:06:16 exact timing, takes the same breath at the same places, whatever. Because people are so attached to that song. If you change it just a little, they get a little perturbed. They sort of don't like it, maybe. Well, and it's interesting that you say that
Starting point is 01:06:34 days before the Little Mermaid teaser comes out. Yeah. Go ahead. Well, you know what's funny about that? And it's a great interview, so I don't want to repeat verbatim what was said because you should check out his podcast to listen to it. But basically basically the sense i get is that when she was working on that song with howard ashman he said something to the effect of like we're gonna we're really work this
Starting point is 01:06:54 and it's gonna sound like ariel it's not gonna sound like jody and you might not like the way it sounds at the end and then you know this being back in the day when the first time you could see yourself your performance in the movie like you didn't get cuts of it beforehand like she went to the premiere sat down and she saw ariel sing the songs and then she was like oh my god and you know you might not like those performances as a singer because it's a lot of speak singing and some of it is a little pitchy or flat just based on human emotion which is why i think some of these musicals um can feel a little canned because literally the sound is like it's so perfected in the studios that you lose the humanity of the human voice and the character and so in how that connects to funny girl and you talking about this
Starting point is 01:07:39 barbara quote-unquote impression or the affect that is the stride and the thing impression yeah right this woman who was next to me when we sat down in our seats this woman who was next to me and it wasn't a thing of like she recognized us or whatever this older woman like probably 65 years old not older you know older than us she turns to me and she just goes i am so excited i was like oh my gosh are you a fan of the movie she goes this has been my favorite movie since i was a little girl and i was like oh you must be so excited she goes i have waited years for them to bring this to broadway and throughout that i checked in with her again at intermission i said are you having the time of your life she was like
Starting point is 01:08:20 i'm so happy and you know she was so happy the whole time and i was like there is something to i understand no one can copy barbara and no one can necessarily be that and that's ultimately why you might want to try to go to a different way but when people buy a ticket to a show like this or want to experience something like the little mermaid they want the they want what they remember you know what i mean like they want they want it to feel reverent and like it's like calling back to something because that is what taps into the emotion that is what gets people to come up to you know jody benson after she sings a performance and say thank you so much you'll never know what this means to me it reminds me of my mother my father a time you know this is a really important like you know my mother i say father, a time, you know, this is a really important, like, you know, my mother,
Starting point is 01:09:05 I say on this podcast all the time, raised me on this. Like, and when I took my mom and my aunt to see the show for Mother's Day, like, and like I said, I saw an understudy who was lovely and great and good at the part, but it, but was not a stage superstar. So when you see someone do that and deliver that material, it's meaningful for people you know what i mean this is a piece that means something to people which is why i think there's so much controversy outside of just the fact that it's like fun diva broadway drama whatever right it's it's newsworthy because this piece means something to people it created an american icon yeah yeah yep and it has that same destructive power too yes it's like that's the crazy thing that's the thing that like we didn't realize until
Starting point is 01:09:55 it happened is that we're like oh shit yeah it's like exactly what you're saying is that the people's people's attachment to this is so powerful yes that it will it will just truly like breed conflict and like you know drama and all this stuff but um yeah it's god i i really do need to listen to this jody benson interview because so good you told me about this thing that like uh she wasn't sure about the notes that, that Howard was giving her. And, but meanwhile, I,
Starting point is 01:10:27 that's so funny because as an audience member and as like someone who grew up on that movie, you go, I was just listening to the song. I mean, I've been listening to part of your world on repeat since that, since that teaser dropped. But,
Starting point is 01:10:39 um, just, you know, what's so iconic, ready to know what the people know, like just like, how it just kind of drops out into that humanity the humanity of that and um i told you this right speaking of
Starting point is 01:10:50 barbara um i was watching some like little featurette for the aladdin dvd when this came out like in 2003 i want to say but they did a featurette on it was howard ashman's last movie um and they talk about howard's like these amazing howard moments and that he first started to get really sick uh when beauty and the beast was getting recorded right um and page o'hara is in the booth singing um something there that wasn't there before whatever the yeah whatever whatever it's called um and she sings new and a bit alarming or new and a bit alarming or something. That's what it is. She sings that.
Starting point is 01:11:29 And then they get Howard on the phone and Howard is, can barely speak, is so sick. And he can only give like a couple words. He can only communicate in a couple words at a time. But, um, all he says over the phone is, Streisand, Streisand. And they're like, what does he mean? What does he mean? And then Paige is like, I think I know what he means.
Starting point is 01:11:55 And then she goes, Nuantipid, alarming. Like scoops up like that in the way that Barbara would. And then Howard's like, that's it, that's it. And and i'm like i've never forgotten that story and like he can just tap into something not only not only can he write lyrics like what he fucking writes what he what he wrote in his life but he can give such like notes like that that are so specific and so impactful like think about like they make the song they make the song. They make the song. It's crazy.
Starting point is 01:12:26 He was a true storyteller. I mean, and that is such a great loss and you really do feel the difference. I mean, like, you know, D23 just happened and God, it was so rough. But they brought Ariana DeBose out to play. She's going to play a new, I guess, Disney princess in a new 2d movie wish yes
Starting point is 01:12:46 and she sang the song and the song is by Julia Michaels and the song is a good song but it's not a Disney magic song you know and even in um Halle Bailey's version of it like and when she when she did the she has that little riff I actually i had to like i had to check myself because i was like oh i don't like that on instinct but then i was like yes but in context we haven't heard it you know what i mean maybe she is going to give a vocal that travels different places and that will be interesting but it's going to be up to us to all like as big fans of this incredible landmark song the greatest disney song in history to check ourselves and be like give it a chance which is why it's even like braver and bolder to play this part like because there is one ariel that we remember you know what i mean like so it's gonna be crazy but we're all gonna
Starting point is 01:13:44 have to like, really take a deep breath before part of your world comes on and poor and unfortunate souls and all those numbers, you know? Totally. But you're so right. We've only known one Ariel. Yeah. Yeah. And it's,
Starting point is 01:13:59 but I, I will say, and it's really special. Just, I feel like the response to that teaser is overwhelmingly positive. It's positive. Yeah. I was,
Starting point is 01:14:09 I was, I truly, I took my breath away. I had a similar response where I had to go, did I like that B? I think I did, but I immediately thought back to that Jodie Benson thing where I was like, this is,
Starting point is 01:14:24 I know why I might not like it, but I think, like you said, I need to listen to it in context because I feel like the movie is doing from, from the, from what you're seeing in this teaser, I feel like it will have a really nice balance between honoring the visuals, the original visuals.
Starting point is 01:14:47 I feel like I look at some of these shots. I'm oh it looks like it looks like from the movie from the original movie but it's an attachment that we have you know what i mean it's like it's just hard strong it's so strong it's like it's like you live your whole life with one mom and then you're like hey we rebooted your mom you have this is your mom didn't know this is your mom didn't know this is your mom you just just doesn't look or sound like her but it's her hug her hug her now love her oh my god no way no way and it's just very hard but i will say this she looks and sounds fucking fab perfect and and she will be stunning and the way she's looking up at that at that amazing crest of the ocean honey the way that she looks up and says she wants to be part of the
Starting point is 01:15:32 world i said i really hope she does and it's no spoilers but i think it will end really happy for ariel oh my god really what makes you say no spoilers i'm just saying like based on source material and some things i've been hearing i think that little room might end very happy for ariel wink i hope so wink wink um no i mean what i hope so too queen uh i hope so too queen uh when she i mean when hallie comes in with oh like like she gives it some volume and it's really cool I think it's iconic I actually love it I mean come on
Starting point is 01:16:13 I don't think so honey because I have to go to a fitting but very quickly I should say okay the Jenna Bush Hager stuff with the queen's death timeline is crazy oh my god we didn't even talk about the queen you want to know why it's because the leah michelle illiteracy meme has taken up more media space than the queen's death period oh my god that's not true period but
Starting point is 01:16:34 okay so jenna bush hager was at was at some castle with charles king charles now charles and camilla the night before the queen passed away and They had a great time, whatever. But the timelines don't match up with when she showed up to their castle to do an interview the next day and when Charles and Camilla were whisked away on a helicopter to go to Balmoral. And there's some interesting things going on there with the
Starting point is 01:16:59 release of the information of when the Queen passed away. And so, it's just so funny to me that our our friend our pal jenna bush hager jbh who asked if she could come to fire island with us um is is a part of this now as a part of this global historic death anything you want to say about the queen? Sly. What about you? It's so shocking. Like, you really realize, like, what a different world they live in. That they are, there are people that are in their 90s.
Starting point is 01:17:37 Who, for their entire life, every single day of their life, they were told to worship this person. And now this person is gone, so of course they're in mourning. I mean, like, she lived so long as like a deity in that country but wow i couldn't care less you know what i mean i just like not that i not that i couldn't care less that a human person is dead but it's just wild to buy into something just because of a bloodline you know what i mean and these people are so disgusting like prince andrew's still hanging out like these people are gross now the king is king charles oh andrew prince andrew has the corgis andrew and fergie have the corgis this is so awful to me
Starting point is 01:18:21 those dogs with that fucking monster these people are so gross and honestly like down to the bone like all of them they're just like they're so entitled and wretched and it is built on colonialism and i understand that the queen became a figurehead and tried to move the country through with dignity and grace etc and i get that a lot of people care and have a different cultural view on this than me, but like, wow, I'm sorry, but you have to end it.
Starting point is 01:18:47 Like you have to call it like you see at a certain point. And they're just like the Prince Andrew of it all for me. Like it's, it's sure if it wasn't, if it wasn't the toxic, disgusting way, this country establishes itself all around the world and colonizes, then it's that not to be like too good for it all,
Starting point is 01:19:04 but like, also, honey, like it is what it is we're stepping on my I don't think so honey but okay do it hold on hold on okay hold on but I will say that I think the reason what you're saying about these nine-year-olds who've worshipped this person and this maybe this family their whole lives
Starting point is 01:19:20 that is important because that is it is a loss of meaning for so many people in that country and around the world let's say and so they and therefore i don't think it's attachment his majesty king his highness king charles is the person to like make sure this gets upheld that he he will not uphold the meaning of this because no he's a flop people don't people don't like him and also he's just like, it's just not going to work. People are not going to hang the same amount of meaning. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 01:19:52 Onto that man. No, he has been maligned by so many people for so long. I saw this video. I think it was like BBC or whatever, like in the streets, just asking people how they felt about the passing of the queen. And this one girl was like, you know, I think it's sad when anyone gets to that point um she's iconic so
Starting point is 01:20:08 sorry she's passed but also like i'm not a fan of the queen or the monarchy they're like why because if they have to ask why at this point uh i don't know the colonization the prince andrew stuff is a little weird like she stopped sort of saying any diana stuff but like also that like any depiction of them like you're not gonna love charles after it because he's shitty and like yeah like it she was very important to them because i think in many ways like she was keeping a pretty divided country like arguably more so than our country like kind of, at least in like a cultural fabric that hadn't been ripped apart yet. But Charles is extremely polarizing.
Starting point is 01:20:50 I mean, like perhaps, um, even more polarizing effect on the country is just like, you know, ascended to the throne. So, yeah. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple.
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Starting point is 01:22:04 be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me.
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Starting point is 01:23:07 Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Cheryl Swoops, WNBA champ, three-time Olympian, and basketball hall of famer. I'm a mom and I'm a woman.
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Starting point is 01:24:26 an iHeart Women's Sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment. You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. Do you want to do your I Don't Think So Honey because it's on theme you go first sure i'll go first okay well guess what everyone this is iconic bowen yang's i don't think so honey and his time starts now i don't think so honey gq putting out a story that calls king charles the third uh menswear icon and he's been one for ages let's's please not do this, okay? The man grew up with Argyle bolts of clothing around him. He didn't have to, like, find it for himself.
Starting point is 01:25:11 Someone gave those things to him. He was given a Rolex. He was given a Longines watch. He was given this stuff, okay? He did not have to curate this for himself. 30 seconds. And he needs all the help he can get to distract from that crazy face he has it's crazy let's not do this let's not call him a style icon he doesn't
Starting point is 01:25:35 need to be called that he doesn't want to be called that's not why he does any of this let's just like be a little bit more sparing with us I mean that this is this is where the word icon has sort of hit its peak and there's a nadir like we're going downhill from here no more use the word icon that applies to us I'm sorry Matt okay that's one minute I'm so sorry I take it back you're not an icon
Starting point is 01:25:57 I take it back thank you and you're not an icon either you're an icon consort I'm the Camilla to the icon you're the camilla to icon status we are both icon consorts actually it's real culture number 12 we are both icon consorts i'm comfortable with that i'm very comfortable with that oh my god okay okay i have one i must do here we go this is matt rogers i don't think so honey his time starts now i don't think so honey no bravo in canada okay what am i supposed to do with any second of my life that's not working i'm here in toronto ontario canada and you can't get bravo here i guess they just don't know who
Starting point is 01:26:35 erica jane even is so how do they know how to commiserate in the streets about how evil she's become i don't think so honey that i've watched the real housewives of atlanta reunion i can't weigh in on the seating chart i can't tell you if sheree sorry sheree now i got my sheree ray is confused now because of the gamut i can't tell you if sheree or you know marlo deserve to be next to next to andy at the reunion i don't know how they're presenting the drama of the season i have not seen anything i don't know what i'm gonna do over the next two weeks we got big aspen episodes and i gotta watch them the next day. Usually I do that on Peacock, but I got to tell you something.
Starting point is 01:27:08 I don't think so. I know Peacock in Canada. You can't even get the cock. I'm going to have to search high, low and far to try to download it on iTunes. Like it's the year 1902 downloading on iTunes. I don't think so, honey. No Bravo. That's no Bravo.
Starting point is 01:27:24 And that's one minute. Honey,n get the vpn on the computer everything here is on something called crave and it was so funny because during the emmys it was like congratulations to crave on their staggering amount of nominations more than any other network i'm like yeah mama there's no other network everything it's like crave is like water it's like there's no alternative to it it's like you gotta drink water what you can do drink milk milk doesn't have any nominations this year water has all the nominations every year so sad for milk it's not the 90s anymore boo damn they had their moment um get a vpn and then just watch it on um i'll i'll teach you how to do it teach me how to do it teach me how to do it teach me how to dougie teach me how to dougie
Starting point is 01:28:05 you want to end every episode with a song this has been an iconic culture really good culture catch up really good culture catch up yes let's end it must have been cold there in my shadow to never have
Starting point is 01:28:24 sunlight on your face you were content to let me shine that's your way you always walked a step
Starting point is 01:28:39 behind did you ever know that you're my hero? Did I change the key? No, no, no, you're good. Did you ever know that you're my hero? You're everything I wish I could be I could fly Let my knee go
Starting point is 01:29:06 Cause you are the wind Beneath my wings That one goes out to all the EMI's producers. Bye. Bye. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida.
Starting point is 01:29:36 And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Julian Edelman.
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