Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "This Is What I Personally Believe" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Episode Date: April 24, 2024

A podcast episode that reflects events, opinions and sentiments from a fleeting and fatalistic moment in time; The Tortured Poets Department is out now. Matt & Bowen bare their souls in discussion. Also, 2013? Yeah. Culturally excavated. This period of the podcasters’ lives are now over, the chapter closed and boarded up… that’s that WE, Espresso!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Speaking of offerings, I think that it's time. It's finally time for us to wade into the discourse that is the Tortured Poets Department. And it's finally time. And I'm promising, I discourse that is the tortured poets department. And it's finally time and

I'm promising, I'm swearing on my life, we're going to be talking about the year 2013. Yeah, it's happening today. Let's just get that out of the way. We're getting to it. We're not punting it. We're not kicking it down the road. It's going to happen. But we're going to do what we do and talk about this

new big album that came out. This is a stamina run of a year for us. This has been music year. Not since like what, 2010, 2011? Have the girlies been this prolific? I mean, it's been overwhelming. And also it's not even like, for example, like with Tortured Poets, she long. And so there's a lot of music on top of all the other new music and also you have to remember I'm newly in my Lana era

right so I have all these albums to get through I have homework I haven't felt like this since AP environmental I wasn't

would you believe I got a bad score on AP environmental you don't like the earth not a big fan because it's full of toxic trolls Would you believe I got a bad score on AP Environmental? You don't like the earth. Not a big fan. Because it's full of toxic trolls. They're living under the crust, those trolls.

Now, we have to, have to, before we talk about Tortured Poets Department, talk deeply about the best song of the year so far. And that is Espresso by Sabrina Carpenter. And I want to say that last week, I sort of popped off about Coachella. And I said like a lot of things. And I feel that I paid Sabrina a little tiny bit of dust because I kind of popped off about Chapel.

And then I went from Chapel over to Sabrina. And Sabrina was just giving a different show. It's a different gear. It's not that from chapel over to Sabrina. And Sabrina was just giving a different show. It's a different gear. It's not that anything was better or worse. It was just like, it's a different show. She's in her cute little dresses. Singing in front of a desert motel set, which I thought was really cute and inspired.

It was really cute. I mean, the whole thing, her entire aesthetic right now and the way that they're presenting the album and the new single, I think it's great. And she, I didn't realize she had so many albums, but. She's had a lot of albums. Yeah, she's been around and it feels like they finally snapped

into something really cool with her, which is she's this like cute little, like nostalgia, almost like beat, like what would you call those movies? Like Annette Funicello? Annette Funicello. Well, I mean, she literally was in a remake of Adventures in Babysitting. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, she is like a kind of like child star that like, I don't know, hasn't been really pinballed around the industry. Yes. And like, she kind of at this point has landed as like fun, cool, chill, girly. Espresso is that. Espresso is that. Espresso is that. If you like watch her interviews,

she's just like funny girl. Yeah, we like her. Cool chick. And Sabrina. Sabrina. You're invited on the pod. If you want to come. If you want to come here,

you have a spot here. There is a place for you at the table. There is a place for you on Last Culture. On a Webby award winning podcast. And we want a Webby. Okay. And you might get us another one. It might be the funniest episode of the year.

Our episode with Sabrina Carpenter. You might be the new Richard Pryor, Sabrina Carpenter. If you come on this podcast. I see that for her. I'm telling you, like, I'm listening to Espresso. I'm streaming. So that's what I'm saying is it's like there's so much that

yeah but this is sticking out for one song to pop out like that and I love that this is during the tortured poets discourse we cannot stop

talking about espresso but I have to say that's the vibe it is crack cocaine an addictive drug that could ruin that the FBI made

yeah exactly think about me every night oh that's me that's the soul drug that could ruin the FBI made. Yeah, exactly. When she does her little dance, and I know you can do it, so show us. Yes! You do it. And listen, like you can't see us doing it, but just know we're doing it exactly

right. Even better than Sabrina. Even better than Sabrina. Sabrina, if you come to this podcast and you allow us to interview you, you can watch us do the choreo and then, you know. And then retire. Because no one's doing your dance moves better than us. Let me tell you something.

Let's shut it down. No, she's on her way. What am I saying? She's not on her way. She's arrived. No, but I think that she's continuing to like, well, I think this last album, because I did,

I listened to a bunch of her stuff. I fucking love this album. Album's great. I love Tornado Warnings. I love Opposite. Opposite is so fun. Already Over. Already Over because I loved it, boy.

Yep. I mean, if you just listen to that album all the way through, so good. Nonsense. Nonsense. I mean, if you just listen to that album all the way through, so good. Nonsense. Nonsense. I love so much. It's such a sweet song. Yeah. I mean, also

the way that she ends every live performance with like a different rhyme. Rhyme. So cute. I don't know. I just think she's fucking cute and great and more. And I guess Tortured Poets Department was made by, I suppose, her mother. Her mom. Her mom.

Her mom, Taylor. Taylor's, and she's the world's mom. Let's talk Tortured Poets Department. This is an album that I'm just going to say up top, we will look back on and be like, damn, this is pretty fucking major. I think that what's happening right now is the discourse is out of fucking control and people are bending themselves into a pretzel trying to figure out what they want to like land on in a concrete way.

And like, I think the fact that it was 31 songs, like made everyone so like frustrated and overwhelmed that that like, that was the headline. Right. Because you listen to the editor. Yeah. Here's the thing.

This is my take. I'm just gonna get out of the way. She needed to get to 31. Right. And I don't discount that as a reason, as a motivating force, because so much of this album is her literally subverting, inverting all of these things that we know about her.

Yeah. And like, she's basically, instead of breaking any new sonic ground, she is dipping back into, I think you were the one who put this idea into my head. Like she's dipping back into all of her old styles and albums and approaches to songwriting. And she's kind of, as it were,

putting like a sepia tone filter on everything, which is kind of what she was doing on social media anyway. Like all of it was being like sepia toned, right? It was like whatever photos were coming out of the tour in the post US legs were like, oh, this is like the treatment now for everything. And I think this is retroactively the treatment in a very clever,

clever seems like so like not the right word, like savvy way where it's like when she was putting out those playlists on Apple Music where it was like, oh, it's all the stages of grief. It's her like recontextualizing all her own music. I think that is a very intentional thing. I think that is a statement on the album itself, which is everything you know about me, I'm looking back at retroactively. Redundant, but yes, you know what I mean? I'm retroactively considering this and the chapter is closed. We're moving on. Yeah. I mean, I think the fact that she came out and said this was a chapter in my life that's closed, we're moving on, is such an... Because I remember when the Aristotle was happening, I threw out there at one point, I wonder how healthy it is to be doing this and also have the entire world's attention

and some people were like, oh like she's to speculate on like how healthy it is blah blah blah like, you know But I also think that she's sort of answered that question here Which is it was not the healthiest time of her life doing this like she had this relationship and and whatever about the personal aspects of it all because i'm i think we're putting the cart before the horse a lot with her because if you just make it about the music it's a way simpler conversation which are much simpler there are so many fucking incredible songs on this and i really think people would do themselves a favor if they started listening to her music as if they're the protagonist of the songs

and not she is the protagonist or by the same token, the antagonist of these songs. Like take Taylor Swift out of it and just experience the songs. Which is the big ass. Yeah, it's not as easy as it is said to accomplish because I think that she obviously looms so large. But what I'm, I guess, pulling is that this album is a collection of songs that she wrote during

one of the most intense periods of her life. And so, yes, it is a little bit messy. Yes, it is big. It's also lyrically, people saying that she's not experimenting here. She's like way more Frank. She curses a lot more. She's like talking about like, it's just like a rougher, dirtier, like more textured lyric throughout than I think she's given. So to say there's no experimentation here, I don't think is totally correct. I get that it feels like a lot of these sounds we've heard before, but if you really listen to this album, I think what she gave is like 90s

VH1 country rock girly. And that is kind of what I wanted. It's just there is so much music so it's hard to get through it all just physically. i i think that's informing some of the takes like oh i'm throwing my hands up in the air because i'm

already overwhelmed there's too much but once you really fucking listen there's a ton of great fucking shit here it is that genre and i love that for her yes i agree with all of what you're saying. What I did last night was, if you have an Apple Music subscription, put it on the TV, have the lyrics next to you. Yes, yes. It's such an interesting experience. I think she also, it doesn't really matter,

but it's like, I think what she would want, because it is such a writerly album. Yeah. It is such a lit manger kind of thing. I found it really, really engrossing in that way. Yeah. It's so funny because she rotates between being very one-to-one in her lyrics. Now I'm down, bad crying at the gym. And then in contrast to that, there's the albatross and there's almost everything on the anthology, which is like very dense.

And I think that some of the comments like in some of the more negative reviews is that it feels like it's too much words and it needs like intercuts and edits to like get through it. But I kind of think that all of that is the point like it's like yeah it's her version of a tortured poetry book that she's putting through a taylor swift lens yeah and if it's polarizing to people a i think that's good and i think that will make everything about going forward more interesting and b i think again you don't have to sit there and listen to all 31 of these in a row. No. Like, let them just be songs.

Yeah. Because that's really all they are, people. Hmm. I think that her not having this filter, I think this album is like an unfiltered cigarette. Totally. Her not having that filter, literally, figuratively, I think she is seizing this as the first post-Eras tour album release. Like every eye and ear is going to be on this. What can I do that I can only do now?

Like this is another carte blanche for me, right? Because you know what? She didn't really get that with 1989. She did not get the opportunity to do a post-Imperial Phase album to be like, I can make this whatever I want, right? She was kind of backed into a corner. She was pushed into the opportunity to do a post-Imperial Phase album to be like, I can make this whatever I want, right? She was kind of backed into a corner. She was pushed into... Pushed into reputation. And in saying that, like,

as a follow-up to 1989, even without all the stuff around it, reputation, like... Incredible album, right? But, like, she conceptually had to have some reactionary work like, after the whole Kim Kanye show. She did not have the opportunity until now to come off of one of the biggest moments of her career and then be like, I can do whatever.

This is true Imperial phase. Yeah. I'm lucky enough to get a second one. Yes. What can I do with this opportunity? This is maybe the only time in her career, I don't know, this is not totally informed,

but like, she's going to put out an album with 31 songs on it and have everyone listen to it. Right. You know what I mean? Yes. I feel like also one thing

that's getting lost is when people are like, oh, it's 31 songs, like that's too much for an album. It is two albums. There is a 15 song album and a 16 song second album. Yeah, yeah, albums there is a 15 song album and a 16 song second album or a 16 song album and a 15 song follow-up so think about it that way if people

need it to be easier for them but i think like what you're saying about it feeling cumulative and also imperial phasey especially in this moment is so dead on because what i think we have here is like the bitchy grown daughter of red and reputation like i really feel like that's what we have here it feels like a sequel to both those albums to me in a way red because of the genre that i think we pretty much land on and the rage and yes and also reputation in that there is a lot of comment, personal comment that you can apply to yourself. Once you get through like what this moment is, which is the release and everyone doing the decoding thing that happens with her. What you'll find is I think similar to what you find with Reputation, which is just great music. And I also think it's like that daughter of Red and Reputation like graduated from Evermore college and vacationed

in midnights. And I feel like there's also a lot of speak now in this. Just sonically, there's a lot of speak now. I think so high school is speak now. I think so. And I also think that Clara Bow kind of gives speak now. Clara Bow gives lucky ones from red too. Yeah. It's like the grownup version of lucky ones. Right. And I think that what's so great about all of this is that it was created during the Eris tour when she was immersed in all of those eras. So as a fan, this is very satisfying if you're looking at it like a collective.

And I also think just from an artistic standpoint, what she's done is she has funneled what I would essentially call, and I'm not saying this pejoratively, like a manic period. And you feel that in the music, like the extremes of the emotions, like the extremes of the lyricisms, the sort of places that she's going. Sometimes I recognize it as being like a pure example of whatever emotion that is like who's afraid of little old me is pure anger channeled into this like big pop song which is like again like i think spiritually a sequel to reputation in a really fun way and i also think there's like some question about like

how seriously she takes herself as like a tortured poet. Remember, guys, that she's like the biggest and best pop star in the world. And she's incredibly good at putting on these different costumes. She, in fact, knows they are eras well enough to brand it that way. So she is wearing a costume as this tortured poet. She went through something, saw what the body of work was giving, and said, this is like tortured poetry, and I see an aesthetic there.

So that to me is all fun and specific and great. And she does seem in control of it to me in a complete way. And some people seem to really bristle at this theory. And I kind of have like some weariness around it. But like, if if the asylum imagery motif in this is connecting to a manic

episode, which a lot of people really have sensitivities around that word, totally. Of course. So valid. But I like that lens too of like, oh yeah, this relationship you were in for six, seven years is over

as you're on the highest grossing tour of all time. Right. While you're dating this like really chaotic person, like all of these things are like shrapnel in the explosion. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yes. And I also think she has always,

in fact, it's been like the bit about her, like she puts her relationships into her music. Right. And so that's like a way that she funnels her emotion. And so the fact that she had this one relationship that has defined a lot of her music for probably the past better part of a decade ending and And this other one starting and being so crazy, like that insanity. And like I said, that messiness. And I say that in a good way, like this was always going to be the kind of album that she made at this time. And the fact that it feels like a little, whatever,

quote unquote, unedited, I think is good and interesting and exciting. Me too. I'm sure people will listen to this and it'll come off as us quote-unquote defending her. I don't really feel that. She doesn't need defense.

She doesn't need defense or protection, really. And what she has done that I think is forever defining her career, which is crazy to think about it this way. She's really, and I say this genuinely, which is like crazy to think about it this way. She's like really,

and I say this like genuinely, like this is genius. Like she did something that not a lot of artists have done, which is with the Eros tour. When she announced that concept, like it was so revolutionary, but it's just like she destroys the binary

between like new work, old work. Because it's like you're a touring artist. Let's say you're McCartney. You go out with your new album. People still want to hear you sing like Blackbird, you know? Like they want you to play the hits. This is someone who like the legacy stuff and the new stuff is on the same level. Like that hasn't really ever happened. I mean, like in my memory, my myopic, small, limited scope, like that hasn't happened before.

Like an artist who like fucking changes the paradigm so completely. And I think going forward, I don't know what she does except for recontextualize all of the stuff that comes before I think whatever she does going forward and I'm so interested to see what 12 and 13 are albums 12 and 13 are because it's like

up until 13 is it gonna be like just and I hope it's not because there is a danger to this I hope it's not pure navel gazey I hope it's not pure like let's look at what I've done even though she's allowed to do not because there is a danger to this. I hope it's not pure navel gazey. I hope it's not pure like, let's look at what I've done. Even though she's allowed to do that because she is so prolific that way. But I'm like, my gut is telling me this is her album of like, let me just get all of the retrospection out of the way.

Yeah. And then 12 is going to be something interesting, I hope, I'm sure. And 13 is going to be, whatever whatever it is it's going to be huge symbolic it's going to represent something the obvious thing to me seems to be like it'll be like country pure country again when that like quote unquote trend is

maybe like done with the other girlies like she will return to that and like claim it as hers or something but yeah I mean like in some ways this is reminding me of Reputation when people were like, she's overexposed. Like there is that fatigue setting in which

you know, I think she also saw coming where it's like, she might as well like ride that wave and like put out something that will be polarizing and divisive and people will have opinions about. Yeah. I think it was surprising that it was coming now. Of course.

Because it really feels like a fall album. And you know what I mean? Like, and it kind of feels like it would be in line with the stuff that she has, you know, famously and historically released in the fall. And it doesn't feel like it's giving summer. So maybe that is some of like the polarized reaction is just people like not

necessarily being in the mood for what they certainly will be in the mood for when they have their little hot cocoa in their hand. This is going to fucking hit in October. It really is. And I, I feel like the reason why it's coming now in April is because they had to probably add it to the tour. I would imagine that we're getting serious cuts to the heiress

tour and they're gonna give a whole tortured poet section at the end and like she's gonna go in we're probably getting seven songs and we'll talk about like specifically what might be fun to see because i go back and forth like literally i yesterday tried to make like a playlist like if i were to narrow down the album, you know what I mean? Even doing that, my playlist, just this album, was still over 22, 23 songs long. There you go. There's not that much here. There's not as much chaff as people are saying.

Not at all. And if there are those songs that you think are on that short list listen to them again because even if it might not hit at first like there's really interesting lyrical stuff happening here and like i just think that it's better than you think and i think we're kind of like tripping ourselves up by being overwhelmed people have been so defensive about their reaction to this album like i've had more than one person come to me and be like, I haven't gotten through it yet. I just feel like it's a lot.

I'm like, babe, I don't care if you like it or don't. But there is this preciousness and this like, you know, panic about reacting to this album and like arriving at a take, which is like not why we have music. There's a meta take on it for people, right? There's like, I have a take on my take. Yes. Which is so interesting. Maybe we're like doing that right now too. Well, I literally got tripped up last night because I was like, God, like I can't, and then that was our episode about tortured poets. Like,

what are we going to say? And I'm like, wait, hold on. Slow your roll for a second. It's music. It's music. And it's fucking great music and i i think like these bizarre like sprints to the take are not gonna work on something like this and you're gonna look back on your take or your work and you're gonna be like i reacted to that quickly like it happens with her all the time like pitchfork and I did think that that review did make some points, but I thought it was about a point too low or a point and a half too low in terms of the score, because we have yet again with her,

like they in particular have done many times because they retroactively rate her higher a lot. Yeah. Well, they retroactively rate everyone a lot higher. Yes. And I feel like we in the race to have a take or try to figure out this album you're actually doing a disservice to a lot of the work here because while again i think

there are some points to be made about like it might be interesting to see her work with someone outside of jack and aaron next time like i do agree that any artist should have a period where they go off and reconfigure and start working with new people and I think it is revitalizing. We remember when Beyonce took time off before 4 and came back as a new artist. That's exciting

and that's an opportunity. So I think there is some stuff in the criticism here that's potential to listen to and I see that as a huge fan of not only just Taylor, but also Jack and Aaron. So I think there is something there. But it is the internet culture. Yeah. And that's nobody's fault except like the culture of spreading to a take with everything.

And, you know, that's nothing new. Yeah. I don't know. It's reminding me of Reputation a lot where there were just these, God, like so many informational pieces about like, what's this lyric mean? And in the end, that stuff doesn't really matter. And I'm not saying I'm like inoculated

from like what everyone else is thinking and feeling, but like, I don't really care what song is about Maddie and what song is about joe i'm kind of like i don't care about that at all and neither does any of our fans like when you go to the heiress tour like and you look around and you see someone living their fucking life singing all too well they're not thinking about how that's about jake gyllenhaal they're thinking about how it applies to their life which is i guess why i'm saying like start listening to her music as if you're the protagonist and try to apply it to your own life instead of, like, falling down a cliff

trying to, like, figure out what it means for her. It doesn't need to be that. She's always been the best communicator in pop music songwriting because she can communicate what you are feeling, what her audience is feeling, And that's still here. I think this album has some of her best songwriting.

And I also agree that it is superfluous like any other thing. You know what I mean? Like any other of her albums. And I think she understands that on some level. Okay, not to tie it back to my work, but it's like

when everyone's like, it's like when everyone's like, SNL hasn't been good since blah, blah, blah. If you go back and pick any episode from any season, it's like, watch one episode. There's some great sketches. There's some bad sketches.

There are some mid sketches. That's just how it works because why we have to fill out an hour and a half of television. That is like part of the production. And like, and you're thinking, oh, it's Taylor Swift.

She can make any album, any links to what she wants. Totally. But like I'm saying, I think she wanted to get to 31. Yeah. Because it is, you know,

neatly this subverted reversed thing that like we know, we think we're so familiarized with something about her. And yet she is telling us that like, and maybe she's inverting it because it's like, this is probably the most internally mainlined album she's ever put out. Yeah.

Too, you know, her insides are out, literally. Some of the lines I'm like so shook by, that sounded so fucking basic, but like, I guess what I mean is like what if he's written mine on my upper thigh only in my mind like guilty of sin is i think my favorite song on the album and i i'm gonna say this out into the atmosphere this must be in the tour okay

guilty of sin is i think some of her best writing and specific like that thing of when you've already been romantic, intimate with someone to like an embarrassing degree to an emotional degree, because you know, that's where it's headed. Like that your mind has gone ahead of itself has, has gone ahead of reality. Yeah. There's just not a lot of songs that can like,

not only spell out that specific feeling, but then like really, it takes you on a ride that song. And I love the type of song that is. I made a list of like, I guess like all my favorite songs in order. And the stuff that rises to the top for me is this like 90s,

like old rock moment. Like, but daddy, I love him. I think the chicks would be proud of that. You know what I mean? Like, Guilty as Sin, incredible. So high school. So high school is amazing. I love the Black Dog so much. Oh, I love Black Dog. That starting line reference

made me scream. We watched it. We listened to it together. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also God bless the starting line and their streaming numbers now. They just pop all the way off. And they're thankful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, God bless the starting line and their streaming numbers now. They just pop all the way off. And they're thankful. Yeah, I mean, but that's like old habits die screaming.

Like, come on. I don't know. Like this, don't talk to me about how she's, some of these articles were like fun to read, I guess. Like the Paste article

I thought was fun to read. You know what I mean? Like I thought the Pitchfork thing, I was like, that was brutal. The Paste article was brutal. It was brutal, but like I was reading it

as if like this is this person popping off, not like I thought the pitchfork thing I was like all the paints article it was brutal but like I was reading it as if like this is this person popping off not like I yeah yeah necessarily agreed I was just like oh this is content about this album that I find entertaining I'm sure you know Taylor read it and had a different perspective yeah yeah but I was like yeah interesting and so intent on proving that she's like lost it or flopped on this album. And they basically did the equivalent of like screenshotting the quote unquote cringe lyrics and putting them in highlight. But I was going to be my, I don't think so,

honey. Yes. And it should be. Yeah. But I was just like, this article deliberately ignores so much of the excellent work here. And that's really just a testament to how fucking high level of quality she always delivers

that people can literally with a comb go through and pull out lyrics and like try to, you know, sniper rifle find where she's maybe slipped up. Like, I'm sorry, but she hasn't. Over 20 of these are genius. What's like, that is like the definition of like removing context from something, right?

Like I also, I kind of, my eye just skims over in any review for any album yeah like when they reference the lyric i understand like journalistically that's like what you're supposed to do sure but i'm like if i read a song lyric no matter what no matter who it's by i'm gonna be like that sounds stupid yeah you know what i mean even poetry if it's like if the line breaks if it's not formatted the way that like the poet intended i'm like yeah If it's like, if the line breaks, if it's not formatted the way that like the poet intended, I'm like,

yeah, well, that's dumb. That sounds stupid as fuck. But yeah, I mean, I get why it's done. And I do love the memes

of people like taking the genius, you know, Instagram posts, grafting their own lyrics onto it for sure. But sometimes when people are like,

why is she talking about Grand Theft Auto? It's like, okay, give me a break. It's a fun line. Just listen to the song. The article is about being

like in a high school mentality. Touch me while your bros play Grand Theft Auto. We loved that line when we heard it. It's like, I appreciate that she wrote a song for millennials.

Yeah, I mean, whatever. Like American Pie, Grand Theft Auto. Yeah. Oh, this is what I... Also, Six is coming out soon anyway. So just wait a year

and then you're going to fucking love it. This is what I'm going to say. When that article is like an album that will single-handedly set poetry back by existing, first of all, shut the fuck up because she is, again, a pop star who is doing this

tortured poet thing. It's a pop star era. It's a character. It's Lana doing a character 100 it's not like she doesn't actually consider herself a tortured poet like she even said like i'm not patty smith you're not dylan thomas in torture poets the song like this isn't the chelsea hotel like it's not actually that deep it's just a way for her to commit to an aesthetic that matches the sound and the tone of what she's doing so what i would say is like touch grass if that's what your takeaway is don't worry poetry is okay taylor swift is not destroying or setting back poetry it's that kind of like

hyperbolic commentary on this type of thing which which A, is just too fast too soon. And also B, like, you know that's not what is happening here. Like you, the writer, know she's not setting poetry back with us. It's a pop music album. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We'll be right back. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing. You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset.

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Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzales wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died

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Do we want to look at tracks? I mean, let me just say, down bad, crying at the gym. When she fucked that alien, I said this was... I already have a music video in my head for this. I really hope she makes a video with this. I love that it's about an alien abduction. No, literally. She got abducted by this alien,

sent back, and now she's down bad, crying at the gym, fucking icing her injuries. Like, my first couple of listens, I was like, oh, she's down bag crying at the gym, fucking icing her injuries. Like my first couple of since I was like, Oh, she's talking about an ex.

I was like, Oh, okay. Like, did you beat me up? Like, okay, great.

But then like that line of like, they'll think I'm nuts. If I like talk about your existence, like I'm like, Oh, of course. Like, I love that. It's like post breakup,

depression grafted onto like being abducted by aliens. And also something that like didn't happen for a very long time. It's like this experience. It's more, it's less of a relationship she had and more of an experience that she had and an emotion that she feels as a result of it. Like haven't we all had that metaphor? Like you made that metaphor of like, oh God, it felt like I was like raptured up into the sky i mean that's what the cosmic thing of it is and i do think a lot of this also speaks to ariana's album like like ariana's album is about that experience too of like

reeling outside of something and then entering something else and i also think it's the miracle move on drug yes there's a lot going on here even a lot of the visuals it feels like there was like The Miracle Move-On drug? on this album and after eras when it was extremely taylor like to get so much taylor hard r taylor like feels maybe not what we wanted or expected but it kind of is what i wanted and expected yet there are things like down bad where she goes fuck it if i can't have him where i can be like a little bitch walking the streets and like you you know, shake my Taylor ass. You know what I mean? Like there people saying that there's not a lot of opportunities to shake your ass like Taylor on this album.

Like just do another listen through. Cause down bad is here for you. Like, you know, there's moments. It's just, it's a more like it's balance. And that's just what it is.

She gave you nineties VH one woman. It's it's quill Pen, Fountain Pen, Taylor. I don't think we've ever done the one-to-one on Taylor, Taylor, Taylor every now and then with what she has parsed out herself as I have songs that are Quill Pen, Glitter Gel Pen, Fountain Pen. And Glitter Gel Pen obviously is Taylor or Tayla I'm so sorry oh my god wow I can't believe I got that wrong

and it's a little bit murkier when you go into Quill Pen Fountain Pen territory but both of those kind of combine to form Taylor

yeah again Taylor knows about Taylor Taylor she now knows and so that's why she approached this album the way she did

as a result of your interaction with her I know you love the Albatross I love the Albatross so much when I first saw this as a track

this was supposed to be one of the bonus tracks on the original album I was like oh is this a Fleetwood Mac reference because before Stevie and Lindsay joined

Fleetwood Mac has an instrumental song called Albatross. And baby, put it on before you go to bed. It is going to send you to dreamland. It's going to put you on the little barge to dreamland and then push you down the river. Such a beautiful enchanting song. I thought it would be referenced to that. It wasn't. I was shocked, delighted. It's a really beautiful song. I thought it would be referenced to that. It wasn't. I was shocked, delighted. It's a really beautiful song. I think this has her best lyrics.

I think not only would I compliment the lyrics, can I agree with you? Like it's like among her better lyrics, but her vocal on this is really good. Like the Albatross has some incredible backing vocals. Like this is what I'm saying is it's like, you can't appreciate the texture of all of this reacting quickly to an album this long and this vast because you need to have a take.

Like, actually listen to what's going on here. Like, the Albatross has just incredible stuff happening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lyrically, sonically sonically like this is i think by far one of the best like i made this list last night it's one two three four five on my list great um it's ranked i have guilty of sin number one but daddy i love him number two down bad number three the black dog number four albatross number five so high school number six fresh out the slammer i love i love Fresh Out the Slammer cause she gave you

a little bit of this Fresh Out the Slammer and I said thank you thank you Taylor for showing up

cause you're welcome here always Taylor yes and then I have Fortnite Which Grew On Me Thank You Amy and Love of My Life

those are my top ten love I have not taken it upon myself to rank. And that's what makes this album so choose your own adventure. Yes.

And by the way, this playlist that I made is called This Is What I Personally Believe. And I will share it publicly. That is the Matt Rogers catchphrase. That's the essence in one sentence. Honestly, this could be the album title. This Is What I Personally Believe.

Maybe that's my next album. It's called This Is What I Personally Believe and it's Tortured Poets Coded. And that this could be the album title. This is what I personally believe. Maybe that's my next album is called This is What I Personally Believe and it's Tortured Poets Coded. And that's the title of this episode. This is what I personally believe. What do you think

of Thank You Amy and the capitalization of K-I-N-M as letters? I love capitalizing on those letters. I think that Taylor, this is a sign of Taylor

being fully, like the reason why everyone's Taylor, this is a sign of Taylor being fully, like the reason why everyone's like, why is she still, you know, relitigating this or digging this up again? Because I think it is purely retrospective, right? I think she's looking back at like the whole story of Taylor Swift because it's been motivated by the heiress tour.

I think she's looking back on a lot of the things that have defined her career so far. And she's going, let me actually leave this behind. That's where 31 comes in. You know, like, let me actually like subvert this, move on. The chapter is closed. Like, I believe her when she says that. I think it's a great song.

I love Cassandra, which is kind of also spiritually in the same world of like, this person's been wronged. Cassandra of Troy, nobody would listen to her. And the albatross too speaks to that. Like I have been so maligned and so labeled as these things like you coming into proximity

with me puts you in danger and all the warnings that could possibly come your way that you ignore them shows true love for me. Yes. I mean. That's great. It's great.

There's a lot going on in that song. I think there are a lot of ways that it can be read. Yeah, totally. But Wise Men once said, wild winds are death to the candle. That's your opening line, bitch? Don't talk to me about bad songwriting. You sound so stupid.

I'm so sorry, but do not tell me bad songwriting. Like, you sound so stupid. Like, I'm so sorry, but like, do not tell me bad songwriting when these are the lyrics. Like, get out of town. Like, shut up. Wild Winds. I believe that is a Romantics-era poetry reference, right? Of like transcendentalism, like

I'm getting my shit mixed up, but it's like nature being sublime. Nature, like you are powerless to it. Death to the candle, it is snuffing out this man-made thing. There's something about her art, which is sublime, which is bigger than her,

bigger than us. She's saying that she is a wild wind and people want to cage that. People want to contain that. People fear it because they don't know it because it has this inexplicable effect. I think this album is like, it doesn't talk about

things beyond her and that's okay because I think it is her reckoning with what she means, what her life has been, what she wants it to be going forward. And I think it's like, I think it is like her reckoning with like what she means, what her life has been, what she wants it to be going forward. And I think it's like, I think Clara Bow is such a beautiful closer because it's like, this is what my legacy means.

Yeah. And someone someday will always like, people will always try to like build on it and then maybe erase it and be like, Oh, here's someone new who reminds us of her, but is better it's like a very bittersweet song it's like that idea

that like you could be the one and then when that happens it like comes with all these contradictions and all these crazy things and like ultimately an ego check at the end you know what I mean? and I think that's why it's really fitting that that song is last on the first album

because what I love about this and the writing and why I do think it's some of the boldest writing she's done is because she is not afraid to look crazy. Like she is not afraid to look like the biggest version of all of her emotions. I think, thank you, Amy, the capitalizing of K.I. of kim is vindictive as fuck and i think it's because she's a little vindictive yeah and she is really out here being that so you

being like she's vindictive like for that she knows that of course you know what i mean like she gets it she wrote the song she felt the emotion she put it out there for everyone it wasn't a mistake to capitalize it k.i.m i mean she's feeling vindictive she feels very hurt still from that person trying to let me remind everyone destroy her completely and take away her credibility so the fact that she turned that into what that song is which is when you take away all the battles and muscles and all the headlines about it, it's a song about thanking your bully for making you better.

And that is going to connect with her fans. With a lot of people. With people that have experienced that in the past, are experiencing it. She is who she has always been, but an extremely elevated

and still ever challenging version of that. And I think that that's fucking great. And like I said, I think it's good that this is polarizing. I think it's good that not every single piece that she ever puts out is like a 10 out of 10, five stars,

like in terms of the way that it's received, because that would not be good for her or for us. I mean, I think she knew, it doesn't matter what she knew or knows. I think there's no way this album is like universally acclaimed. No way, because it is like all these things.

And I'm just, it is too long. It is too verbose. It is too this, too that, too much of the same, too much of the, this,

that, the other thing like there's gonna be so many things people can say about this and different angles people can take that sort of just don't get to the heart of it which is that the music is fucking great internet seems to not care for the alchemy it's like my favorite i think the alchemy is romantic and fun and oozy and big and beautiful and gorgeous. And I think if the lyrics are a little on the nose, then that's fucking great because it's someone being like, after all this noise and all this like challenge and all this chaos,

I'm just going to tell you my boyfriend who plays football, touchdown, ultimately touchdown, ultimately touchdown. It's actually a real culture. Number 88, ultimately touchdown ultimately touchdown it's actually real culture number 88 ultimately touchdown touchdown

call the amateurs and cut them from the team ditch the clown stick the crown baby I'm the one to be oh my god I don't know

it's so it's adorable it's great I love it and can I shout out one of my favorite songs that's been sneaky? And this is why you have to keep going back.

Be patient with the album and like listen to them as songs. I look in people's windows. Oh, I love that. I love this song. She's like, again, like she's not hiding from the fact that she's a fucking freak. I know. You know, like the shortest song in the album. Yeah.

Who can't relate? I guess people that aren't insane, but like there have been times after I've had things dissolve where I've literally looked for that person. Like, I mean, what if you looked up and we locked eyes one more time? Like that thing of like, I need to stay vigilant

because it's not dead for me and I'm holding on to hope that it's not dead for you for that one moment. And it's worth it for me and I'm holding on to hope that it's not dead for you for that one moment like and it's worth it for me to like put all this energy and be this freak and look here and from the insides for that one moment

and the urgency in that song I love I love that it abruptly ends almost like she's embarrassed about sharing the thought like I love it it evokes this thing that you thought was such a personal corner. And it's kind of not.

It's kind of universalized in this huge album that like everyone's heard. And like, yeah, I mean, I don't really care that it's a numbers ploy that like 31 so that it could have like the biggest streaming debut and that the sales equivalences or biggest streaming debut and that the sales

equivalences or the streaming equivalences to unit sales whatever blah blah blah like the business side is something that like I also am like for some reason tuning out for me it's just like listen to the songs because if you

do you'll get a song like but daddy I love him and you'll get to enjoy it because it sounds fucking great and there's a lot of fun and also you'll realize like it is actually incredibly risky for her to say fuck off to her own fans you know what i'm saying it's like that to me is when the album like when i was first listening to it when the album really took off for me was track six but daddy i love him i will say when i first started listening to the album fortnight took a second for me i was like i know i feel like i know in my heart this is going to be the single so let me try to wrap my head around that

this song has grown on me so much i'm struggling a little bit with tortured poets department the song like i to me it's just a little... I don't get it yet, but then right after that, the album really takes off for me. By the time But Daddy, I Love Him was happening, I was like, this feels like a spiritual successor

to Red and All Too Well. The fact that it's over five minutes long and it's this epic narrative and it being that long and containing so much like anger towards people who like quote-unquote want the best for her but could never actually understand her yeah i think that also speaks to we can't be friends on ariana's album i think these girls are reckoning with the fact that people that they love and appreciate are driving them fucking nuts well it's it's now becoming a somewhat phenomenon somewhat of a phenomenon

where it's like you have doja openly violently being like fuck the girls and it's like fuck the girls I think like this this is when stan culture starts to like evolve into a new stage where like maybe it's unhealthy for everyone yes like including the stans including the people they like

worship it's like if someone and I'm not gonna name names but there are people out there who fully embrace the fans and pathology. There's pathology. It's not great if you are out there completely embracing all of

the mania in that. If you're inviting more mania into your life, because it is mania. And yeah, it's perfect blue.'s a perfect blue and it's actually real culture number three uh-huh it's perfect blue and i also think like it's a message to people like listen if i'm gonna fuck up just let me fuck up just let me do it because because there's actually like there's no way yeah yeah that'm going to stop living my life for everyone.

And you wouldn't really want that. Right. Like who would want their like favorite artist to not live their fucking life and make mistakes and like be able to be the messy fucking version. Right. It's not Twitch plays Pokemon. I was just going to say. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. Were you following Twitch plays Pokemon I was just gonna say you know what I'm talking about? were you following Twitch plays Pokemon?

this is when Twitch literally first started out where everyone was inputting millions of people up down, A, B, left, right a game of Pokemon Red or Pokemon Blue

and then somehow they got all the way to the end. But it was like your character just kind of like walking up and down and like dying. Remember this? It was like, by committee you cannot do this. You cannot live a life by committee. You cannot live a life by committee.

And that's real culture number 10. You cannot live a life by committee. It'll end up being Madam Web. It'll end up being Madam Web. It'll end up being Madam Web. I didn't see it. Oh, you should. It's so good. I know. That invalidates

everything we've ever said. Madam Web is the best film of the year. Lost cults canceled, awards taken away. Oh my God. Trophies stripped of our trophies.

Oh my God. I would love to ultimately one day have my awards taken away from me. Be stripped of my trophies. Yeah. That I think is such a chic phrase. They were love to ultimately one day. My awards taken away from me. Be stripped of my trophies. Yeah. That I think is such a chic phrase.

They were stripped of their trophies. I think Taylor wants that too. I think Taylor secretly wants, is pining for a scene just for the cinema of it to be like, no, don't. But daddy, I love him.

Well, like literally like we're taking your Grammys away. No. Oh, 500 of them. What would she have to do to have her Grammys away. No. All 500 of them. What would she have to do to have her Grammys taken away? I don't know. I mean, I don't know.

What would she have to do? She'd have to come out as the reason why there are natural disasters. Right. Yeah. Hey, ever heard of hurricanes? That was me when I pointed at the crowd in Sao Paulo. Right. I was thinking more something along the lines of the Recording Academy. Like she, you know,

like she does some equivalent of the slap. Oh, yeah. If she did the slap, she certainly would have come out, would not have been invited to come out of Coachella. Oh, God. Here we go. Here we go.

Will Smith is back, y'all. This is, it's an excellent album. We love it. And of course we fucking do. Because it's good. Because it's good. But if you had to tweet that one viral,

congratulations. You are. Congratulations on your contribution. No, I love tweets. I love Twitter. I think that it's great. I'm so sorry. Zeets X, I forgot.

I think it's great. I think it it's great I'm so sorry, Zeets X, I forgot I think it's great I think it's worthy Is anybody calling it Zeets? Well, they're supposed to be because they're Zeets, it's X I'm sorry, but if you're calling it Twitter No, they're called Zeets and I don't make the rules

I just say the rules Now I want baked Zeets I want baked Zeets Okay. I want baked seats too. Fresh out the slammer. I know who my first call will be to. My seat will be to. My baked seedy place. The Real Housewives of New York City are back for another bite of the Big Apple.

Look who it is joined by elite new friends rebecca minkoff have you ever heard of her but things could change in a new york minute she had this wild night and ended up getting pregnant by some other guy what you've told her not today satan not today the real housewives of New York City, all new Tuesdays at nine on Bravo or stream it on City TV Plus. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image, and huge life transformations.

I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life. Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one.

On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean. He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian.

Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him.

Or his relatives with him. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzá about 2013, a cultural excavation. Thank you for making it all the way here. If you don't care for Taylor, if you don't care for the album, and if you're still listening,

bravo, bravo to you. Oh, can I just say, I did a Barry's Oatly class on Monday. So many readers, Katie's publicist finalists, including Lindsay Clayton, who fucking rocks. I have to say, I see you readers at Barry's

and if you are a reader at Barry's, you actually are a Kyle. That's how you become a Kyle. This is men or women. If you are a reader, publicist, Katie finalist, and you regularly go to Barry's,

you're a Kyle. You're a Kyle. It doesn't matter, male, female, non-binary, you're Kyle. Kyle. And as we know, the most famous Kyle,

wait, we actually had this conversation. This is a fun thing to ask you. Who is the most famous Kyle? I know you think Richards. I didn't necessarily say that. I'm asking you what you think. Who is the most famous Kyle? XY.

Period. Can't argue with that one. You think it's Richards? So there seems to be like a one. You think it's Richards? So there seems to be like a discussion. Where? About who's more famous. Certain gay group chats, aka one that I'm in.

Okay. Kyle Richards, Kyle McLaughlin, and Kyle Chandler seem to be the three. Kyle McLaughlin. You think Kyle McLaughlin is more famous,

like in terms of people know his name. Yes. Than Kyle Richards. Yes. I think it's demographic. I think it's short. I think Kyle McLaughlin is very that guy famous. Like, oh, I know that guy.

He was in the original Dune. Don't yell at me. Oh my God. Do not yell at me. Do not raise your voice in the way that you just did ever again. You'll be going to the slammer. Fresh in. Fresh in the slammer.

I know who my first Z is to. Z is to. You think they have Z? Fresh out the slammer. Hello. Why are we so good? Okay. So you think Kyle McLaughlin. Okay. I disagree. Queen. How do we get into Kyle? Why are we so good? Okay.

So you think Kyle McLaughlin. Okay. Agree or disagree, queen. How do we get into Kyle? Oh, all berries. Because we were talking about berries. If you were there, and you will understand,

we had all these bits planned, and we did most of them. I was- You never got your almond suit. I never got my almond suit. I was going to beat up someone in an almond costume at the berries class because it was an Oatly sponsored event.

But I was- Stupid bitch. It wouldn't have worked. There was going to beat up someone in an almond costume at the Barry's class because it was an Oatly sponsored event. But I was... Stupid bitch. It wouldn't have worked. There was not enough space. People were on the floor. It would have been dangerous. I got a few jokes and I was like, oh wait, this is not... It's hard to do bits while there's a fitness class going on. Can I just say...

Hey, we actually have to move you from D29 because Bowen needs that space because he's going to do a bit where he fights someone in an Amon costume but they were they were prepared to like go all out and like do whatever I was like

no I think people want to come for a class so I like ran on the treadmill for like two minutes and then I was so out of breath that like my brain

was like it's hard you're not performing right now yeah you're actually going to like not do that and then when I tried to everything that came out

of my mouth made no sense. When Lindsay threw it over to me like, Bowen, what do you think? I was like, how am I doing? I was truly so not myself. I felt like Grimes at Coachella. I was like, everything's going wrong. I'm bad. Grimes at Coachella.

I felt like Grimes at Coachella. Wow. So thank you for coming and thank you for being patient with me. That was, it was a lot of fun. I saw some people that I follow were in your class

and someone said that immediately when the class started, you said this first sprint is going to be at 20, which I think is iconic. I love it. But this one finalist, Kyle. Yeah.

Sprinting at a 14 jeez can't believe the most I've done is 12 the most I've done is 10 14 is but this guy also had redwood tree legs

tall tall motherfucker almost like Taylor Swift or Travis Kelsey or Travis Kelsey he was a full Kyle full on and if you're a Kyle out there,

keep running. Hey, Kyle, push it to 14. Let's go. This is for the girlies who go to Barry's and instead of listening to the music and the instructor, they pop in Lost Culture. They want to hear tortured poets discourse. Okay.

And when we start to hit a really good take, they press 14. Let's talk about 2013. We needed an episode like this in person, I would say even, to talk about this year. It's a big one. This is one of the most major years.

I think we're going to end on music because the music is major. I think let's start with film. You know, in starting with film, what you're going to find is that this was the year of Frozen. And can I, let me just talk about this for a second.

Do you remember, and this is again, why this is a valid, worthy segment, because we relate it to our lives. Frozen came out and Pop Roulette did a Frozen sketch. What was the Frozen sketch? It was literallylette did a Frozen sketch what was the Frozen sketch? it was literally like

the Frozen sketch was Amanda was playing Anna and Tessa was playing Elsa and Elsa was like I have powers of snow and Amanda was like you're a lesbian and I feel like it was ahead of its time it was very ahead of its time and she was just very like

with winds I can create fractals. I think that you're having a crisis and you're a lesbian. If you're a lesbian, you can just say that. We're good, girl. She's like, no, I have to leave town and create a new house of ice and snow. She's like, I feel like you are going through it, huh?

That was kind of the engine of the sketch. I remember it played to silence not because it wasn't funny because i say about my own time but because no one knew frozen yet because people forget frozen was one of the slowest burns it was a slow burn in cinema history because it might as well have been a fucking rustic book report the way you were like trying to burn the pages at the stove or at the fireplace slow it was the pirates of caribbean uh-huh of that's a slow bird that ride is a slow burn that ride could take upwards of a half hour sometimes if the boats aren't going quick you'll be sitting with the pirates for a really long time oh yeah

hope you like yo ho ho hope you like yo-ho-ho. Hope you like yo-ho-ho and a woman chasing a pirate around with a rolling pin. Yeah, hope you like girl boss energy because we're sitting on pirates. And Frozen is the beginning of girl boss. Where were you when you first heard the amazing song, Let It Go? I was with you, I think. I think we went to go see it together. We did. I saw it with gay guys. I was with you, I think. I think we went to go see it together. We did.

I saw it with gay guys. I saw it with kids. And then I saw it with the general public on a plane. And what was your favorite viewing experience? Well, the gay guys, aka us, we saw it, I think, like the first week it came out. And can we admit? People were not gagged.

I left the theater being like, that was okay. Yeah, well, you're famously a tangled girl. I'm a tangled girl through and through. Yeah, I'm a frozen girly. You have Elsa hair. Period. Period. I'm definitely Elsa coded, which is tough for me as the Anna of our friendship.

I know. I was going to say, I feel like we've always been, you've been the Anna. I'm still the Anna. Uh-huh. Can I say? Arose by any other thorn. Arose by any other bud. What is this expression?

A rose by any other name. I like a rose by any other thorn. I mean, Frozen is 10 Things I Hate About You, the musical. Say that again. Frozen is 10 Things I Hate About You,

the musical. One more time. Frozen is Taming of the Shrew, the musical. There you go. And that's a rule of culture. Frozen is What number? 40. 40. Frozen is Taming of the Shrew, the musical. There you go. And that's a rule of culture. Frozen is...

What number? 40. 40. Frozen is Taming of the Shrew, the musical. It's like, you can't date until your sister does. Right? Yeah. You're dead ass.

I'm dead ass. I'll never forget how happy I was for Anna when the gates finally opened. Uh-huh. When she sang, finally they're opening up the gates, I said, is that the song?

It's called Finally They're Opening Up the Gates. I'm so happy girl. I'm gonna shake my ass and sit on some visiting dick. That's what Anna said. I'm so happy that I get to see some different kinds of dick

coming into Arendelle open up the gates open up the gates Frozen became the second animated film after Toy Story 3

to gross 1 billion dollars and became the highest grossing animated film at release congrats congrats to her

I think Frozen 2 beat that record later on Frozen 2 did suck although I will say it had some bops. Still haven't seen. What? Still haven't seen.

Top grossing film, Frozen. Internationally, Iron Man 3 domestic. Who cares? Okay. Best Picture Oscar, 12 Years a Slave, nine nominations. This was the beginning of Lupita. Yes. The Best Picture win made McQueen the first Black British producer to ever receive the award

and the first Black British director of a Best Picture winner. Okay, let's look at it because there are these handy tables now on some of these that I think we should be bringing into the rest

of the years that we do. 12 Years a Slave, I'm seeing a lot of American Hustle, Gravity. I was with you. Did we see Gravity together? I believe we did.

I love Gravity. I love Gravity so much. I think about the ending all the time. I never want to see that movie again. I don't. I love Gravity so much. I think about the ending all the time. I never want to see that movie again. I don't think I could sit through it one more time. And it's so funny to me. Like sometimes I will catch people watching Gravity on a plane.

Any movie about an air disaster on a plane, I just want to know what that person's like lifestyle is. Like what got them to this point where they are okay and can spiritually and physically maintain composure when you're watching shit explode in the air and a woman careen through space. Is it like when I'm eating my lunch and I'm watching YouTube

of a recipe of another dish? I think so. Okay. But it's not as dangerous. It's not as dangerous. Like when people watch that shit in the air, I'm like, what is going on? Maybe it comforts them because they're like, well, it can't be as bad as this.

Of course. I'm gagged for this Keanu Reeves movie that he's making. Which is what? It's called The Entertainment System is Down. It's a fucking thriller on a plane. Chaos ensues when the entertainment system on the plane goes down. No one can watch movies. And everyone goes crazy.

Wow. Isn't that a great premise? And it's like an actual grounded... I think it's action. I think it's like a snakes on a plane thing. I love that. But the title is called The Entertainment System is Down. Oh, I love it. Isn't that great? That's really good because that would be a cause for serious concern.

I would jump into action. Probably made by Boeing. Okay. This was... This was the reconnaissance. This was the reconnaissance. I would jump into action probably made by Boeing okay this was so Dallas Buyers Club this was the reconnaissance this was the when we were in the

heart of the reconnaissance and the leto-sance I suppose it was Dallas Buyers Club it was True Detective it was Interstellar

there was that period Lincoln Lawyer yeah yeah I think that's one yeah god us not lost culture talking about Lincoln Lawyer I know that's one. Yeah. God.

Us not lost coach talking about Lincoln. I know. Let's keep going. Blue Jasmine. Okay. Cate Blanchett. This was the iconic moment of Jennifer Lawrence

falling at the Oscars. A moment that was nominated at the Lost Culture Awards. Yes. Jennifer, most shocking moment. Most shocking moment in history.

She went down, our girl. She went down, but she got up and won. Not only did she get up, she got up and she won. And she won, honey. Remember when One Direction was a band? I do. So does everyone in 2013, because guess what was the best-selling album of 2013? Midnight Memories.

Midnight Memories by One Direction. Name one song from it. So we danced all night to the best song ever. Oh wow, that's actually good. You could do that. Yeah. Las Culturistas. Las Culturistas. I definitely remember at least three other songs of One Direction such as

They Wanna Steal My Girl. Remember that one? And also Even When The Night Changes. to steal my girl. Remember that one? And also, even when the night changes. This is Story of My Life. This is Love Story of My Life. Little Black Dress

is great. Little Black Dress is like a fucking Third Eye Blind song. You think this one? Little Black Dress just walked in the room. Did it, did it.

Oh, this is actually a great album. Wait, what is the best One Direction? There's one that's... I like... What is that? Pearl, you're going to have to do better than that.

No. Wait. What is it called? You guys know listening in the car, wherever you are. You know the One Direction song that starts like this. Girl, you can... Oh, come on. What is this? No, stop.

Don't throw me off. Girl. If you wanna. If you wanna. Maybe say yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on. And let me kiss you. There it is.

I got it. You guys, I just threw myself across the room. No, but I think you were mixing two different songs up. Kiss you and like... Never thought it hurt so bad. No. Making up with you. I literally...

You're giving me a heart attack. Every time you do. I'm telling you now. All right. Here, I'm literally going to show you how right I am. And I think I'm even you no. Here, I'm literally going to show you how right I am. And I think I'm even in key. Darcy Carden is livid right now that we don't know this. Kiss you one direct.

No, I know kiss you. Okay, ready? I'm sorry, but did I slay? You slayed. Wait, come on. This is great. Somewhere, Katie Gavin from Muna is like, I think Matt has perfect pitch.

You're going to dine in on that. A compliment that I'll never let go. Of course. That you will never let go. Okay. This is also the year of her. Best screenplay adapted and original. That can't be right.

Oh, no. It was the best original screenplay winner. Of course. I was like, adapted? I loved her. I loved her. Of course, I'm the only faggot in America who thinks that. Excuse me, I just said I do too. I know, I know. That's not an original thought. Best original song, Mandela

Ordinary Love. See, like this is when Oh no, at the Academy Awards. Sorry. The record of the year was Get Lucky by Daft Punk, which I don't necessarily get. Awards sorry the record of the year was Get Lucky by Daft Punk which I don't necessarily get and then the album

of the year was Random Access Memories oh this was the year that Taylor's Red was beat this was the year that Taylor's Red because when they read

and the Grammy goes to like there was a split second where you if you can see Taylor's face she's like she thinks she's gonna win they heard the R yeah they sure did

that's crushing and then it was random access memories which kind of came out of nowhere also the song of the year was royals by lord and let's just say i love melodrama but for me pure heroine by lord is an important oh of course it is that's lore for me that's that lore or lord? It's lord. It's lord lore. Lord lore? Well, let's just say pure heroin is that. Pure heroin is lord lore.

Pure heroin is lord lore. And I just remember being in my last semester of college. High all the time. Oh, when Royals came out? Yes. Oh, I remember. Yes, I was right there with you, girl. And just stomping the time. Oh, when Royals came out? Yes. Oh, I remember. Yes, I was right there with you, girl. And just stomping the streets.

It was like the last semester of college and I was in the West Village. Just like walking around, like listening to like 400 Lux. Uh-huh. I love Pure Heroine. Pure Heroine and that first Charlie XCX album, True Romance. Those were,

like that was all I was listening to. I mean, to say nothing of Art Pop! Art Pop! Okay, we'll get to Art Pop. There was so,

I mean, this year. This is a big year. Gave it. Okay, and then, let's see, what else?

Best New Artist, Malcolm Moore and Ryan Lewis. Other nominees included, Kacey Musgraves, Ed Sheeran, James Blake and Kendrick Lamar. I don't think we got this one right.

I don't know. We love Macklemore though. I don't know if we love Macklemore enough to comfortably sit here and be like, yeah, it's fine that he beat Kendrick Lamar

and Casey Musgraves. And even Ed Sheeran to be honest with you. And even James Blake. I mean, definitely James Blake. You know, I was at the Do Lab last year at Coachella

when James Blake did a drop-in set. The what lab? It's called the Do Lab. It's where you go to see surprise drop-in sets at Coachella. And I was there and James Blake came on. Why are they called the surprise drop-in lab?

They should. And you know Jamila was there vibing. As she do. Jamila, we love you, girl. Let's talk about Art Pop. Where were you? I was in the airport in Beijing.

You were? That's very Art Pop of you. We were visiting China, and on the way back in November, it had dropped. Art Pop came into our lives. way back in November, it had dropped. Our pop came into our lives. And we're going to talk about another album

later, but that was You Know Me. I was still caping for Gaga at her lowest moment when everyone else had left her behind. Her lowest moment was when she could barely get the plane that she became off the ground. Volantis.

Technically, it was a higher moment than usual because she was inches off the ground. But it was a low point. She got into a full space suit. Did a press conference in her space suit while her helmet was in one arm

saying, I'm so excited to be the first flying woman. She did not say that, but she said, this is history. This is the first flying dress. Yes.

You missed that acting rule. Lady Gaga rules. And I believe this is also the era where she got vomited on. Well, that was 2014 at South By.

So that was after the album came out. So that doesn't technically fall under this year. Well, that was 2014 at South By. I'm telling you, I know this era So that doesn't technically fall under this year. Well, that was 2014 at South by. Listen, I'm telling you, I know this era like the back of my hand.

This was a really, I remember when everyone was like, oh, I don't know, Lady Gaga lost it. I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm the rich bitch. I'm the upper class. Donatella! Come on, give some respect.

Like, don't react quickly to this shit. Let things marinate and cook. This is what I'm saying. Because in 12 years, you're gonna be gagged by Donatella. I think, you know what's cool? Try and think about, like, however

you can have metacognition, think about, like, the way you're thinking about things and be like, let me think ahead, girl. Let me extrapolate a little bit. Extrapolation. Artpop, where were you? Talk about your experience with Artpop. I was extrapolate a little bit. Extrapolation. Artpop, where were you? Talk about your experience with Artpop. I was on the subway. This was

subway gig. We were subway gigging back then. A lot. And I remember this album took over I think this actually was one of the first albums I had fully downloaded on Spotify. I remember at this time like I finally got

Spotify and was like paying for like the version where you could like download songs and stuff and I'm making my little play and I think it was one of the first albums I downloaded on Spotify but GUI Sex Dreams I'll say it again. Dope

Dope I need you more than dope Lanaope. I need you more than dope. Lana Cody. I need you more than dope. I need you more than dope. Our engineer freaking out, having a heart attack, like truly panicked. Do what you want. Now, do what you want.

It's so annoying, the legacy of that song, because it is such a hit. There is always the Christina version. Yeah because it is such a hit. There's always the Christina version. Yeah, there is always that version. The version now. The version now. I will say at the AMA Gaga fucking tour. And R. Kelly was there as the president. It's a tough one.

But Gaga played President Kelly's secretary. President Kelly's secretary. At the AMA's secretary. Secretary at the AMAs where like she's at her desk. President Kelly's office, the White House.

Yes, I'll let him know. Then she gets a call. Hello, Mr. President. I want you at my desk in two minutes or whatever it was. And then she does this whole thing of like,

yes, sir. And then she starts to like primp and primp and primp. I remember this. It was black and white, right? No, she was in a gold dress and then she goes into the Oval Office and does a whole dance. And then the Oval Office set melts away and she like goes and climbs the top of the piano

and starts screaming, What do you want with my body? And then it ended in a ballad, right? And then it was a ballad version of Do What You Want, and then it was just news. It was headlines. It was very reputation-pre-reputation. It was newspaper articles that said,

every headline was, Lady Gaga is fat. Let these women be nuts nuts I'm telling you cause then you get this and you will love it let them be nuts you will love it no I mean

Lady Gaga is fat she was going through a very hard time and I don't mean to laugh but it is like it is that song is so unfortunate like it is tarnished

because of the R. Kelly thing. The whole album is really tough for Gaga. I think she really doesn't remember it. I think we should believe her when she says she doesn't remember R-Pop. I don't remember R-Pop. I don't think she will perform. It will be decades before she performs a song from that album live. Did she not do applause?

Didn't do any R-Pop at Chromatica Ball. Wow. I guess she didn't. She really doesn't like that time in her life, I don't think. Whoa, I would say... I don't mean to make light of that.

I don't mean to laugh at that. But I mean, for me, as a little monster, as a fan, I do go like, I stuck with her in that time and I have not earned

my stripes or anything. But like, that just means to me, like, I love this woman till the day I die. There's no question she's our favorite celebrity

Lady Gaga is fat like all across because I mean it was a crazy time when like she put on a little weight and everyone like melted down that was still the end well this tabloid era is still ongoing I mean blah blah blah but like it was the last time

that like people could really get away with saying shit like that. Yeah, of course. Yeah. That was like a moment where it was probably what was being said about her in papers more reputable than we remember. Yes. Where it was like so uncool and crazy making. Your Daily Mail and shit still say that kind of thing.

Okay. Venus. We have to just say Venus. Venus! Just shout out. We all remember where we were. Just have respect. Venus!

Venus, etc. Know that we've performed that live many times. Yes. I think a companion piece to our pop is Prism by Katy Perry I love Prism by Katy Perry and anyone who thinks the second half of Prism

doesn't go all the way off is not listening use your fucking ears and listen to the second half of Prism now adult contemporary was heard on this album and the bops were bopping. Did you have a radio station in Long Island that was

called Cozy in Colorado it was called Cozy 101 for us it was called like Star Star 99.9. It was like adult contemporary. Yes and okay so maybe you had this one. Iconic Delilah of course we had Delilah Delilah

Delilah Of course we had Delilah Delilah Delilah Wait a minute I need to write this down I need to go home Smoke a fat joint And listen to old Delilah clips It's just her It's literally like

Hi How are you? I'm okay Delilah My husband has been at war For six years That's so hard it must be very lonely it really is Delilah

and I just want to know that things will get better they will I have a good song for you it's like I'm already there take a look around it's like giving a low and literally like maybe this is like a show

we should do just like comforting radio DJs who are fucked up and the post apocalypse like the world is done and yet these two people are still like I'm so sorry Delilah was a legend

period I hope she's well what's going on tonight she's well. I hope she... What's going on tonight? Huh? She's on TikTok. She's on TikTok? She is. Oh my God.

What? She's answering people's questions. She's still on the radio. I'm already there. Take a look around. I said, you better eat. Talk more about Prism. One of the greatest songs of all time is birthday oh my god

yes can I just say I did listen to that on repeat on my actual birthday this year? yes it's so good you precious soul you went off

you seasonalized your You really did. I mean, your birthday should be a holiday and you should have songs at the ready and there should be a playlist and birthday by Katy Perry should be on it. Absolutely. Boy, when you're with me. Wait, I now know my I Don't Think So Honey and it has to do with Prism. Okay.

I'll give you a taste. I'm so happy. You know that feeling when you find out you're I Don't Think on Thanksgiving and you're like so happy make it like your birthday every day I also you know what song I didn't like at first

but then ended up being like oh I guess I do like it because I kind of have to Dark Horse I still am not so hot on Dark Horse all these years later what else was good

this is how we do yeah do do do do this is how we do yeah this is how we do never forget legendary lovers it's a weird album so cuckoo

it's a cuckoo album and tough live performances of that but I do love unconditionally I have a lot and this has to do

with my album so don't get too deep in there because I have a lot to say about it. And then the big one, Beyonce by Beyonce. Started it all. Started it all.

I actually don't think I have, no, this is not true, but it's up there for me with albums of lore in my life where I'm like like that changed shit. Like that was a like a marked change in like the way I felt about her music, like everything. I was just like so blown away by what the fuck she did. Yeah. Every song I fucking love. Like, I guess for me, if I had to say a standout it's still

jealous jealous I listen to jealous every day all day like it was really I'm sorry I hear my sister say I listen to jealous every day all day I don't know if that's

true it's not true I listen to Jealous every day, all day. I don't know if that's true. It's not true. But at the time, I listened to it a lot. Oh, I see, I see. Remember iTunes where you'd have like your top 25 played songs? And you'd see the count. Ooh, that's tough. No, the thousands of times I listened to Jealous,

it was like far and away my number one. An album I listen to constantly, but that one song, I don't think I ever just got through it once. I would always have to jealous it was like far and away my number one an album i listen to constantly like but that one song i don't think i ever just got through it once i would always have to replay it what is it about that song i think that's the kind of music i hope to make want is like i think you have made it spiteful like emotional pop the production on that is so good just like that's every Christmas Eve coded oh my gosh that's so kind of you it's every Christmas Eve I feel as though

you're not wrong no I'm not I know I'm not I wouldn't say it I would also say just like Beyonce occupying that lyrical space of like how fucking dare you like how much I love you I cooked this meal for you naked where the hell are you at? Uh-huh.

I wish that you were me. So you could feel this feeling. I never broke one promise. And I know when you're not honest. Now you got me yelling. That's because I'm jealous. When she said, I'm coming for you, but also I'm backing off. Like that is tough to pull off in a song.

Oh, yeah. You think it's going to be one thing because it is one thing and then the reveal of the underlying emotion you know what song also does this what be careful Cardi B it's like don't do this because why don't do this I'm vulnerable don't do this I'm vulnerable

I'm getting a shirt we're making merch that says don't do this I'm vulnerable. Don't do this. I'm vulnerable. I'm getting a shirt. We're making merch that says, don't do this. I'm vulnerable. This album, I remember exactly where I was. Obviously, there was a midnight drop.

You and I were on Facebook Messenger. I literally remember for some reason going to iTunes being like, I wonder, and seeing the word Beyonce. And I was like, huh? And I texted you and I said, you're not going to fucking believe this.

I remember the message you said. I was like, oh my God I texted you and I said, you're not going to fucking believe this. I remember the message you said. I was like, oh my God, I can't fucking believe this. And then you said the words, no, I feel sick. I feel sick. I was sick. Yeah. I was unwell. And I remember I didn't sleep that night.

I had to go into work the next day. Me too. And none of the other waitresses had slept either. It was like, what is going on? That was a musical monoculture moment. I mean, I just remember watching the video for Yonce, the video for Partition, the video for Blow, for Rocket, for all of the, I was just like,

everyone, I was just like, I am a new being. I am immediately rearranged because of this album like I know what to aspire to now like sexually I know what to aspire to now like

confidence way like that is like role model aspirational down flawless oh my god forget it never by the way this was also That is like role model aspirational down. Flawless. Oh my God. Forget it. Like never. By the way, this was also the year of the red flannel tucked into jeans shorts.

And if you weren't doing it button to the top, tucked into jean shorts, you weren't a pop girly of the time or a gay guy trying to give that. But it's okay because we teach girls to shrink themselves. To make themselves smaller. Period. There's more, but ask

Chima Manda about that. Now, the following songs were number one hits on the Billboard Hot 100. Anything else to say about Beyonce? I mean, so much more to say, but like it is what it is. I mean, like it's the defining album. The fact that that's an album of the year lost is comical

it's ridiculous it should have been it should have been her first album album of the year win Blurred Lines was 12 weeks at number one

Royals nine weeks very impressive and I did not put the rest of the weeks I think that's truly okay Locked Out of Heaven

Thrift Shop Locked Out of Heaven I gotta say we didn't talk about Unorthodox Jukebox I think that's truly okay. Locked Out of Heaven. Thrift Shop. Locked Out of Heaven. I gotta say, we didn't talk about Unorthodox Jukebox. Saw Bruno Mars on tour for that album. He was phenomenal.

Yeah. Thrift Shop. Harlem Shake. Just give me a reason. Pink representation. Very much so. Can't hold us. More Macklemore.

Roar. Bless you. Bless you. Bless you. Bless you. more Malcolm Moore roar bless you bless you bless you bless you leave that in I want them to know how much I sneeze

I want them to know what I go through I'm crying leave that in do not take it out no one's pushing back know the truth and wrecking ball

wrecking ball fucking rocks TV I think at this time I'm just gonna say was boring because the same shit was still dominating. So blah, blah, blah.

Breaking Bad, Modern Family. These were all incredible shows, but we've just talked about them in other episodes. Notable deaths. Oh God. Paul Walker. There's that. Lou Reed.

Roger Ebert. That was tough too. No. Nelson Mandela. Oh. Lou Reed. Oh. Roger Ebert. That was tough too. No. Nelson Mandela. Oh. James Gandolfini. Oh. Oh, God.

Oh. We miss you. We kissed you. Politically. We missed you. We kissed you. We missed you. We kissed you.

Politically, here's what happened. Barack Obama sworn in for his second term. They say that Art Pop was an Obama era creation. Do you agree? Yes. I think that artists felt the most free during Obama. God, the Tea Party shut down the government, huh? Yeah, they really did that.

Obamacare flopped. Snowden's NSA leaks. Not great, huh? No. Sort of living in a time that was... Where you know that it started to unravel. You know? Yeah, you know.

It started to unravel. The last and most important thing that happened in the year 2013 was Bowen and I sat down at Vapiano and I had Bowen join our sketch group, Pop Roulette, thus changing the course of history. Really? Because you were going to move back to Denver. I was going to move back to Denver with my parents.

I... Oh, my sister. Period. Saved me. I said, come to Vapiano. We have to have a conversation. And we hadn't really like hung out in a while. No, this was pre-Bestie era.

Pre-Bestie era. It was still like, oh, Matt. Yeah, it was just like good friend. Oh, Matt, I would love to, I hope I see Matt soon. Yeah, and I was like, girl, it's time to get lunch. And then we sat down and got lunch. And little did you know that there was...

There was a pop roulette proposal. I said, the group has talked and they've decided they want you, girl. They want you to be a part of the group. And do you know why we asked you to be a part of the group? Because I left a reality show or something? No, this was why. Do you remember when you got on that music app

and sang Set Fire to Your Manor to the tune of Set Fire to the Rain? Does that still exist? Explain what that was. This was an app that pre-TikTok

like TikTok was a merger between two apps, right? Both were Chinese apps or one of them was Chinese but the other one this is not that app but it was a genre of app where you could sing karaoke songs and record yourself singing

it was not musically but it was like whatever it was called something else before musically I think it wasn't that no but back at no but back at no but it's the right thread you're spiritually right, no, but Beckett, no, but Beckett, no, but Beckett. It wasn't that. Beckett, no, but Beckett. It's the right thread. You're spiritually right. No, no, no, but. Spiritual, like the Katy Perry prism song.

Okay, well, musically was what TikTok was, right? Yeah. But you could like film yourself, like you could record yourself and film yourself singing karaoke songs. And I did a series where I would pitch up my voice and I played this character as myself. I was like, hey, I was like, hey,

it's Bowen. And like, I'm here to sing my cover of this is this. And like sometimes I would for some reason set fire to your manner was me being like a rich guy broke up with me and I

went to go burn his house down. But it was a whole manner.. It was a manor. Where did I get manor from? I don't know. It's because you're very creative. And it was that creativity and performance capability that earned the eyes of Pop Roulette.

And I said, let me sit down with him because I know him the best and we'll get him to join the sketch group because I heard this nasty rumor that you were going to leave town and flee and go back to something like Denver, Colorado, like you were Renee Rapp or something. Like I was Renee Rapp. She has a whole song about it.

This fall on Bravo. It's time to turn up. Think you've seen it all? I don't think you've been a good friend to me lately. For friends like that. Who needs enemies? You ain't seen nothing yet. Cheers to being Germanic. With the Real Housewives of Potomac.

Oh my gosh, can I take this in? It's gonna be amazing. New York City. Everyone is a gossip. No one gets a happier life. Salt Lake City. We don't wear costumes, we wear fashion. And below deck sailing out.

You broke the rules and now you're here getting upset. Watch all new seasons on Bravo or stream it on City TV+. Hey, I'm Jay Shetty and I'm the host of On Purpose. My latest episode is with Jelly Roll. This episode is one of the most honest and raw interviews I've ever had. We go deep into Jelly Roll's life story from being in and out of prison from the age of 13 to being one of today's biggest artists. We talk about guilt, shame, body image,

and huge life transformations. I was a desperate, delusional dreamer, and the desperate part got me in a lot of trouble. I encourage delusional dreamers. Be a delusional dreamer. Just don't be a desperate, delusional dreamer. I just had such an anger. I was just so mad at life.

Everything that wasn't right was everybody's fault but mine. I had such a victim mentality. I took zero accountability for anything in my life. I was the kid that if you asked what happened, I immediately started with everything but me. It took years for me to break that, like years of work. Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Trust me, you won't want to miss this one. On Thanksgiving Day, 1999, a five-year-old boy floated alone in the ocean.

He had lost his mother trying to reach Florida from Cuba. He looked like a little angel. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian, Elian. I mean, he looked so fresh. And his name, Elian Gonzalez, will make headlines everywhere. Elian Gonzalez. Elian. Elian.

Elian. Elian. Elian. Elian Gonzalez. At the heart of the story is a young boy and the question of who he belongs with. His father in Cuba. Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home and he wanted to take his son with him. Or his relatives in Miami. Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom.

At the heart of it all is still this painful family separation. Something that as a Cuban, I know all too well. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story, as part of the My Cultura podcast network available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How was your 2013 personally? Oh my God, like,

so working in a restaurant, pilled. Like, I would work, I was working at Ulysses in the financial district just like waiting on everyone who ran our banks and was so drunk during the day like they would come and they would get wasted and then they would return to running our banks i will never forget how i saw some of those men speak to the girls that i worked with oh god i made fine money there i mean like it

was i remember thinking at the time, like I have to keep this job because I won't make money elsewhere. Like, can I say to all servers out there? If you are at a restaurant that you don't like working at, there's a million other ones. I don't know about that. Do not live day to day in a situation.

You shouldn't be in a situation for even 10 minutes where you're not happy. In the words of Kim. In the words of Kim Cattrall. I was making a bit, I don't know about there being a million restaurants. No,

there are a million. I just, I remember I stayed like, it's a nice place, like whatever. But like, I remember management changed again. This was like over 10 years ago now.

So like, it's like, everyone's different. But like that thing happened where it was like, yeah, like a good fun job. And then management changed and like things thing happened where I was like, you had like a good fun job and then management changed and like things changed.

And, you know, we started like to do other things. And I was just like, it was really wearing on me how disgusting the guys were that would come in. Yeah. And of course I left because it was just getting so like corporate-y all around me. And I was just like this is gross and I wasn't making good enough money

and just like the financial district is not where the cream of the crop is will Fidei return you think? Fidei has the potential I don't dislike Fidei you know what I mean like I used to go there and I liked it like I loved you know the cobblestone streets and I liked a lot of the restaurants

down there like by the way there's a I don't know if it's still there, but there was a pizza place called Adrian's next door that was so slay. And I did have a lot of good memories working there. You would come visit me. I worked with a lot of really cool girls there. I recently went back, and some people were still working there, which was so great to see them. But I remember I would work Monday nights from 7 p.m. to 4 a.m. Oh, yes. And there would be no one there, but we pulled the tip.

So I'd make all this like hourly money from working from 7 a.m. to 4 a.m. on a Monday night. Yeah, yeah. Till literally four. I can't believe. Yeah. There were. Oh, but this was Brooklyn Crab Days. Never mind. I'm getting ahead of myself. The Brooklyn Crab Days would come soon after. But the Brooklyn Crab Days,

and we've talked about it on this pod before, but there were a couple nights where you would be over-served at Brooklyn Crab at your job because you'd stick around after work and you would call me drunk and be like, Bowen, get me an Uber now. Because I didn't have Uber on my phone. I don't know why. I think it was just I don't know. And I would do it for

you. And that's how much I love you. That was back in the day when Bowen well, you wouldn't, but Sudi would make my PDFs and you would call my Ubers. Sudi would make your PDFs because you were convinced that you could not make them on your computer on your Mac computer because there was a virus.

Because there was a virus. Because there was a virus. I was convinced. I was convinced and I don't know. I still to this day think something was going on there. I just mean, I hope one day that we all go to Fidei again for a fun party. Like China Chalet was kind of a nice moment. Did you ever go to China Chalet?

No, I don't think I ever went to China Chalet. We could go down to Fide Dai and have a party whenever we want it's just like the type of character you might run into down there is like usually tough I'm going to call it very mask bridge and tunnel I'm telling you like

these guys from like the banks would come in when they're like khaki pants with their big old butts and they would like be so nasty I saw like talk. I just, I saw so many of my colleagues be called like the C word. Oh God. Like our friend, I won't say who, who I got a job there. Yeah. Yeah. Like had this horrible experience where she told a customer that we, we didn't sell cigarettes cause he was wasted. It came up like, you guys sell cigarettes? And she's like, we don't have cigarettes.

They have it at the gazebo around the corner. And he called her the C word in such a vicious, violent way that I was just like, it wasn't long after that that I left. I was like, I don't even want to be fucking around this. It's so gross. And those guys feel so entitled because they make the money that they make. And it's just, I don't know. and those guys feel so entitled because they make the money that they make and like you know it's just I don't know I hate these guys living the fucking high life down there

and treating people like that I hope all of them suffer well time for I don't think so honey I don't think so honey this is where we take one minute to go off on something in culture

let's see oh I do have something think so, honey. This is I Don't Think So Honey. This is where we take one minute to go off on something in culture. Let's see. Oh, I do have something. I have something. Let's go with you. Okay, let's go with me. And we both previewed our I Don't Think So Honey. This is Matt Rogers I Don't Think So Honey's Time Starts Now. I Don't Think So Honey. Anyone taking an issue with the pronunciation in the song Unconditionally

by Katy Perry. Stop with your unconditionally. First of all, it is a gorgeous song it is a gorgeous ballad coming for me and i feel like a lot of people can't get over the pronunciation get over it she had to say it like that so it would work in meter okay what would you rather not have the song it's one of the greatest songs of the 21st century oh no who could forget her performances of the song live all problematic all problematic in nature i swear to god i heard her say with an asian accent the word unconditionally no no i'm kidding she never did that she only ever did everything above board katie perry um 15 seconds she's one of the great artists of our time unconditionally is a ballad that I will have

playing at my wedding on repeat. Don't worry, everyone. I'm not getting married. No, I'll probably get married. I don't think I'll have kids, though. But when I do get married, just know I will love them unconditionally. And that's one minute. She should have done it

like this. Go ahead. Show us. Unconditional No You looked and sounded stupid Unconditional There's nothing wrong with Unconditionally Unconditionally

I know it sounds bad It is bad But that's how the words sound Unconditionally. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. And guess what? If there is something a little bit fucked

up about it, that's what makes it memorable and pop. That's what makes Katy Perry pop in the top 10 of the iconic 400. We did not agree on that, but I guess it's etched in stone. She might be top 10. That's crazy.

The iconic 400 is coming. Number 400? No! Oh, we can't say. I don't think we've said who 400 is yet. Yeah, I don't think we've said it. No, the name that we're going to say is so shocking.

As number 400 is so shocking and it will set the tone for an amazing list. Yes. Okay. All right. This upcoming is, and I think I see him formulating an idea right now. Sort of.

Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I Don't Think So Honey. Are you ready? Yes. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Posting lyrics on a story, posting lyrics to be like, oh, it is lacking an extremely important component,

which is the music, which is the production. If it's hip hop, you need the track underneath it for it to make sense. I don't think we should encourage this. I don't want to participate in it personally. If you're doing it, no problem, but it's always tough. Either way you slice it. If you're

doing it to be like, look at how genius this is, it's always tough to be like, oh yeah, I guess so. If you're doing it to be like, look how stupid it is, it's like, well, that's not fair. So I think until we find a way to like package a song snippet that we like in a way that is digestible to a social media feed, then great. I also don't care about what seems digestible to a social media feed. Let's all wean off.

Five seconds. I'm going to be the first person to say social media is bad. That's one minute. That's one minute. First of all, do you know how stupid like any Beatles song would look if you just posted the lyrics like and put them out there and like you'd laugh them out. You'd be like, she loves you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wouldn't.

You'd be like, LOL. These are the greatest pop song writers of all time. Actually, yes, that was true. Yes. it's so stupid too to be like oh let me like screen grab these lyrics just so i can say like what how bad this artist is on the whole or like how overrated she is it's just like there's someone cool like shut the fuck up i don't know like i don't have like an intelligent thought about this i'm just like okay yeah gotcha those words put together like look stupid isolated and like you said without context like cool

it's a song I don't know I've just seen I've seen like a lot of like people who just are hell bent on every single time Taylor Swift does anything like finding a way to sort of prove that

all the success and impact she has is like a fluke or like that it's unearned or something. And it's like, they just bend over backwards to try to make that point. And it's always so sweaty. It's like, okay, so did you like, you,

you didn't just casually find this. You went out of your way right in this quote-unquote dense densely lyrical thing to find these embarrassing quote-unquote cringe lyrics and post them and like to prove what point that you're better than everyone okay and they might be they might be they might be, this has been an amazing episode of Lost Culture East. Tortured. Tortured podcast department.

What did we say? Title of ep. Title of ep was, there was one in their summer. Well, I guess now we have to make a tactical decision. Do we call it

the tortured podcast department and get million streams? Or do we call it something else? No, we had something else. But we'll... Well, the numbers are down. We'll listen back to it. Oh, no, stop.

We're not doing this. Numbers are down for Lost Culture. We're not doing this. Oh, yeah. We just want a Webby. Oh, yeah. Let's not... Well, hopefully the Webby

picks us up, but... Yeah. Let me say something. If you didn't tune in last week, we saw that. We felt that. Oh, stop. I'm not looking at the numbers.

You are. I'm a metrics queen i know and i'm glad all i know is our most polarizing episode ever uh-oh was a huge hit so maybe we should start fucking burning it down okay come in here no fucks to give no life to live no fucks to give no life to. What was our most successful episode? Oh, oh, oh. Our most successful episode of all time is Great Americans

with Tina. But what, one episode that like crushed was One and a Half Buck. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Which was our Eternal Sunshine

review and recap, which had the girls twisting, turning, tossing, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And titillating. I mean, all I'll say is I continue to stand by what I've said.

One of my favorite albums of the year. I love every word. Love the artist. Love the artist. And love all the girls out there who have something to say. You are! And to you, I'd have to say is all you Sarahs and Hannahs. But daddy, I love him. If you want to know how I feel about y'all and the way you feel about one Hannahs. But daddy, I love him.

If you want to know how I feel about y'all and the way you feel about one and a half episode, just listen to go stream. But daddy, I love him. We end every episode with a song. Everyone stop. Go stream Tortured Poets. Bye.

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Listen to Dudes on Dudes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On Thanksgiving Day 1999, five-year-old Cuban boy Elian Gonzalez was found off the coast of Florida. And the question was, should the boy go back to his father in Cuba? Mr. Gonzalez wanted to go home, and he wanted to take his son with him. Or stay with his relatives in Miami? Imagine that your mother died trying to get you to freedom. Listen to Chess Peace, the Elian Gonzalez story on the iHeartRadio app,

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