Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang - "Three-Tool Player" (w/ Aparna Nancherla)

Episode Date: December 6, 2017

Triple Threats? Yesterday's news, honey! Today the industry demands THREE-TOOL PLAYERS! And nobody utilizes her three tools like our guest, comedian Aparna Nancherla (BoJack Horseman, Master Of None). Aparna, a se-ri-ous Culturista, brings the heat with her "defining culture": Sesame Street. So, yes Matt and Bo deep dive on the childhood classic - but that's just the tip of the iceberg: Bowen viciously comes for "Call Me By Your Name" and Matt enthusiastically spoils "Million Dollar Baby." Other topics include The View, the college experience, Aparna's rider, M&Ms, and of course - three brand spanking new "I Don't Think So, Honeys."And PLEASE contribute to OPERATION CHART TOPPER by going on Apple Podcasts to Subscribe, Rate 5 Stars, and Review Las Culturistas!!CONNECT W/ LAS CULTURISTAS ON FACEBOOK & TWITTER for the best in "I Don't Think So, Honey" action, updates on live shows, conversations with the Las Culturistas community, and behind-the scenes photos/videos:www.facebook.com/lasculturistas/twitter.com/lasculturistas(@LasCulturistas)LAS CULTURISTAS IS A FOREVER DOG PODCASThttp://foreverdogpodcasts.com/las-culturistas Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ding dong! Las Culturistas calling! And you know what else is calling? What? The time of the season. Oh. And I believe that every season. I'm talking, of course, about the Christmas season. Yes. We see a lot of these things. What am I talking about? Bowls. Bowls of candy.

We have no such bowl on the table. No, but laying free in front of us is many pieces of candy. And you had pointed this out like a true sociologist, anthropologist whiz. Thank you. You said it's the time of year when people are sticking their fingers in bowls of candy. Yes. And I said, wow, I didn't realize that was a seasonal behavior. Well, they do that with nuts all year round on bar tops.

We all know. We've seen the bowls of nuts. And I hope we know to avoid the bowls of nuts. I was going to say I don't get to say, I don't get near them. I don't get near those. But then all of a sudden when it's like candy during the season, I don't even think about it. I dive right in.

And what's the difference? There's no difference. I guess. You're getting sick either way. And is it good or bad bacteria? We talked about this. We did. And also, you know what?

Probably a lot less kids at the bar where the nuts are. Probably a lot more kids at the family gatherings where there's the bowl of candy. But the kids, though, have some sort of monitoring system built in where the parents are like, Tanner, wash your hands. But do they listen? No adult is getting that sort of system built around them. I guess that's right. So is it dirtier at the bar? I guess it also matters what's happening at the bar.

You know, are they in an engaging conversation with someone that they're dating and they run to the restroom, they go to the bathroom, maybe they don't wash their hands on the way out and then all of a sudden my hand goes into the nuts. It's just crazy. It's just crazy. It's just crazy to think about. But you know what? In these crazy times, I think we need to bring in a very special guest. Yeah, we need a rock. We need a rock, and she's here with us tonight.

Truly. We're so excited. And, you know, we're thrusting all this responsibility on her, but that's fine. She's the rock. She's the rock. Okay, you guys, I mean, come on. The female Dwayne Johnson. The female Dwayne Johnson.

That's what the industry calls our guest. Absolutely. She's always selfie-ing from skyscrapers, just like Dwayne Johnson. That's what the industry calls our guest. Absolutely. She's always selfie-ing from skyscrapers just like Dwayne does. Okay, guys, our guest, you know, you've seen her in everything. You've laughed at her words and everything. Master of None, BoJack Horseman.

Oh, she's in this new Harikandabolu series, The Problem with Apu. She makes a little appearance in that. I didn't mean to scale it. I didn't mean to qualify it with little appearance. It's an appearance. Now talk about what's premiering in January. It's a new series on Comedy Central.

Oh. Corporate. I can't wait. I've seen the promos. They're nice, minimalistic. I go, what could this be? And I can't wait to find out. I can't wait either.

And maybe she'll tell us about it. And she's written for Late Night with Seth Meyers. And you can check out her amazing album that came out last year. Just putting it out there. That's the title. Wow. Right. See, you were just putting it out there and also it's the title.

And also that's the title. And I wonder if that thought went into the naming of it. That it just rolls off the tongue like a phrase, like an expression. Guess we'll find out when we speak to Aparna Nancherla. Hi. Hello. No, I did say feel free to dive in to these candies. Now, here's the thing.

Don't feel pressure because, as we said, it's a germ spreader. Yeah. But I'm not. That's not why I was withhold, like not showing restraint. Okay, sure. Do you usually show restraint around something as hazardous, like infectiously hazardous as a bowl of bar nuts, for example. I don't think I'm a germaphobe if that is the qualifying standard. No. You don't think you are?

No. No, okay. I think it's good for immune system. Absolutely. You have to expose yourself a little bit. Yes. You know, I know people that won't even touch the rails on the subway. Right.

And I said, this is problematic because then you become a projectile on the subway and you're flying all around hurting people. And that to me is more dangerous. It's 100% more dangerous and unacceptable. Unacceptable. Yes. Socially. Socially.

Then everyone's responsible for your physics. Exactly. I will say, Parnit, I wouldn't reach for the M&Ms just now because I have three in my hand. You have three brown ones. I have three brown ones, just by coincidence. And I'm scared to put them in my mouth because I don't want the mic to pick up the chewing. Oh, I thought about that, too. Do you ever see the movie, what is it?

It's with Matthew McConaughey and Jennifer Lopez. Is it not? It's not Made in Manhattan. I know, I know. That's Brie Fiennes. Wedding Planner fine Wedding planner Wedding planner Okay

Do you remember in the wedding planner When It was either him or her Okay And they were picking I think it's him And he was a dentist in the movie Yeah

Or a pediatrician He was a pediatrician in the movie Okay So he's picking out all the colored M&M's And she's like Why are you doing that? And he's like Well I'll colored M&Ms, and she's like, why are you doing that? And he's like, well, I figure that these ones are brown, so there's got to be less artificial flavoring in them.

And so I figure I'll only eat the brown ones because then you're getting less artificial flavoring. And I thought to myself, that has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. Who wrote that line, or do you think it was improv? I think it was an improv, baby. Imagine he came to set and was like, I actually thought up this amazing improv.

And it's science. It's based in science. Yeah, he did character research. Oh my gosh. You know what I'm saying? But he thought, like, he truly believed that the artificial coloring thing was true. And he brought it to the table.

We'll never know. We'll never know. We'll never know. Are you a J-Lo fan? I like J-Lo, but I don't know if I'd identify as a fan. Right. You appreciate what she is. Yeah.

If she was in a room with you and you felt so compelled and moved to go up to her, strike up a conversation, would you say, I'm a fan? Oof. I think I might out of nervousness say it. But this is something that our last guest Guy said. Two guests ago Guy said. What did he say? He said a lot. I bet he had some

strong opinions. He very strong opinions. Very strong. But he's he always appreciates it when people approach a celebrity in a collegial status. Yes. That they're on the same level as that person, which is kind of insane. Well, they say you don't want to appear as a fan because then you're a crazy fan. Oh, I see. I see.

I see. So I feel like you, Aparna, could just walk up to J-Lo and then just start talking about your projects. Oh. And then she'd be like, okay. Yes. I think of J-Lo as such a, I think anytime someone has multiple hats. Yes.

Or they're like hyphenated in their, you know, work. Yes. I think I get intimidated. Okay. Because I don't even know where to place her. Right. It's like, and how does she identify? get intimidated. Okay. Because I don't even know where to place her. Right. It's like,

and how does she identify? Yeah. You know, is she identifying that particular day as an actress or a recording superstar? Right, right. You can't,

the onus is not on you to figure it out. Right. So it's impossible. You shouldn't talk, the right answer was you shouldn't have spoken to her.

I don't talk to her. It's actually rule number 64 of culture. Never speak to a multi-hyphenate. That's true. Don't speak to them. I don't think so. It's actually rule number 64 of culture. Never speak to a multi-hyphenate. That's true. Don't speak. But, Aparna, I would characterize you as a multi-hyphenate.

I guess, yeah. I mean, I think in comedy it's interesting because you can write and act and, what, tweet? And tweet. You can write, act, and tweet, and that's why they call you a three-tool player. Yep. You're a triple tool. A triple threat. No.

A triple threat. A triple threat is singing, dancing, acting. This is a triple tool player. That's a three-tool player. Three-tool player, I'm sorry. I think that's why, because she's a triple threat in the traditional sense. Yes, yes, yes. And you are a three-tool player.

But, of course, she's a worthless tweeter. We are all three-tool players at this table. We are. Three three-tool players. And I'm a dancer, too. And you're three tool players at this table. Three tool players. I'm a dancer, too. And you're a dancer. Oh, wow. I'm, of course, a dancer.

The fourth tool of my tap shoes. There you go. There you go. If you had a fourth tool, what would it be? What's this talent we don't know about you? Reading. Yes. The books.

So essential. Essential. To be able to read in this industry? I don't think enough to read in this industry? I don't think enough people read in this industry. You know, we can talk about this. Let's talk about it. Because where else are we going to talk about it?

I've fallen off on my reading until recently, and now I'm picking it up again. It feels right. Here we go. Talk about this book that you just read, and then we'll get some feedback from the table. Sure. So I just flew back in from Thanksgiving on Sunday, and on the plane ride, I finished Call Me By Your Name, the book,

by Andrea Simon, and then loved it. And raptured by the book. And raptured by the book. Had some issues with the pacing, as I've mentioned and documented on this program, but then we landed, finished the book within minutes of landing. And I was like, I have to see this movie tonight.

I have to go. And I really just took advantage of my New York, L.A. privilege of early releases. And I went by myself to go see it and um you know went went head first dove head first into the waters of this adaptation and was of course disappointed because how is it going to live up to a to a book where every character's emotionally realized and fleshed out and so didn't like it and then i just let me say this there is a whisper network of gay men and just queer people who do not like call me by her name the movie and i count myself i'm gonna out myself as well i would say you were you were really

holding back right now because you literally have said to me and quote and i quote no fuck that movie i did not say that you said fuck that I did not say that. You said fuck that movie. I did not say that. You said you hated it. I'm going to out someone else right now. Go ahead. Friend of the show, prior guest of the pod,

John Early. Wow, you are too much. No, no, no. So John- He's a public figure. He can get in a lot of trouble. No, no, no. This is what happened.

You can get a partner in trouble for saying that about John Early. No, no, no. He is one of the biggest five tool players out there right now. He's got five tools. He's got five. He's got the tap shoes and more. And the singing.

The vocals, honey. Well, John, this is what, so John tweeted, literally, this was a convergence of call me by your name things. Right before I stepped into the movie, I'm on Twitter as one of the tools, and then I see John tweets, call me by your nah. And everyone is like, whoa, what? Just incendiary. Probably got many reactions on the Twitter screen.

Got a lot of reactions. And I was like, okay, I guess John didn't like the movie. And I watched it. And I will confidently say it did not color my perception or it did not sway me one way or the other. Okay. But I watched it and then I came out of the movie and I texted John and go,

John, I just came out of Call Me By Your Name 2 and I didn't like it either. Oh my God, unless you didn't, and I was like, and I think I hate it too, unless you didn't hate it, OMG. And then he texts back like 20 minutes later, he was like, no, I fucking hated it.

And he was the one who said, and I have the receipts and maybe, maybe this is unfair. You are burning a bridge. He said, fuck that movie. Well, and he,

and then he tweeted Michael Stuhlbarg, who plays the father, who has this amazing monologue at the end. He goes, Michael Stuhlbarg, Michael Stuhlbarg,

um, fucking sucks too. No. But more on that later. Oh, I can show you. And so, John is, John is, them's fighting words. Them's fighting words. Those are, he's coming out for calling. No. But more on that later. Oh, I can show you. And so John is,

John is, them's fighting words. Them's fighting words. He's coming out for calling by your name. Have you seen calling by your name? No.

Do you know about it? Nor read it. Yeah, well, honestly, I would say, and somebody asked me yesterday, like, should I see this? And I was like, I feel like you should see it.

People should see it. Here's the thing though. I feel like it's not for a queer audience. It's for straight people. Or it's just for people to, like, understand that, like, queer narratives have this latent desire built into them. And this is, like, the example of that. But, like, we'll go and we'll be like, oh, yeah.

And even, like, even people who understand, like, what that is will go to that movie and be like, yeah, no, duh. Yeah, of course. In order to understand that nothing happens in your gay life until later, you don't need nothing to happen in the first hour of the movie. That's what we're getting at. Too heavy-handed with the pacing.

With the pacing, with the tension building. So, Aparna, I expect a full review after you see it. I will live tweet it. Thank you. Yeah, I would say that you need to use one of your tools. Is there, this is for the table. Is there a movie that was better than the book?

Oh. I want to say yeah, right? There's got gotta be one well definitely any movie where the book was made after the movie well yes well yes you know what i've never read but no i i don't think it can possibly be as good as the movie what the devil wears prada yes oh because you don't have meryl streep in the book right right famously she can do a lot of things. She can't appear in a book. She can't appear in a book. Neither can Emily Blunt. Let's not forget about Emily Blunt.

She can't be there either. Or Anne too. Emily also can't appear in the book. Or the lead singer of Rooney. He can't either. Who is in that. But also, The Wizard of Oz, of course. Oh, right.

Because the book is maybe more mythologized more completely. But, I mean, the movie, though. The movie's pretty iconic. So we've answered the question. I don't know. I think we've answered it. Do you think that there's a book that's better? I didn't even know The Devil Wears Prada was a book.

Oh, yes. It was, it was. I think that it was, like, a former, like, or she wrote for, like, some tabloid or, like, an entertainment for like some tabloid or like an entertainment. And she was Anna Wintour's assistant. And she was, and then she came out with this book and it like, of course, took the world by storm. Took the world by storm, honey. Well, where was school for you? I went to college in Western Massachusetts.

Okay. Amherst? Yeah. Amherst. UMass Amherst or Amherst College? Amherst College, the little one. Okay, it's one of the Amherst when people say Western Mass. One of the baby colleges.

Not necessarily. That was just a lucky guess. Oh. Amherst is a great town. It is. It's very new agey. Yeah. Oh.

Very liberal. Very liberal. Very liberal. Very liberal. Unusual for a college town. Especially in Massachusetts. Absolutely. I'd love it for even that.

Although Western Mass is kind of rural. No. I don't know. I think Western Mass is weirdly progressive, or at least this area, I think, because of the colleges. But I think you're right. Like, Boston has some very conservative strains. Absolutely. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You can't be that loud and drunk and be a liberal person. And be for a single payer. Well, Boston College. Yes. See, I didn't get that. I didn't understand what a Jesuit school was. Right.

And then I don't know why I didn't understand it, but I didn't understand it. But we went there to look at it, and I was like, oh, absolutely not. Right. Absolutely not. You're not even in Boston proper. Is that true? You're not in Boston proper? Really?

It's a little bit out. Boston University, honey. Is in Boston. Right in Boston proper. Tufts, honey. Medford. Yes. Honey, Emerson, honey.

Emerson, honey. Right in the heart of the city, baby. Absolutely. You walk out, and there it is, the harbor. Jay Leno. What? Their biggest alumni is Jay Leno. That city, baby. Absolutely. You walk out and there it is, the harbor. Jay Leno. What? Their biggest alumni is Jay Leno. That's not true.

No. Yes, it is. They wouldn't stop talking about Jay Leno there. Wow. Well, look it up at the break. I'm almost positive I'm right. Just like I was almost positive that Hugh Hefner was dead four months prior to him being dead.

I broke the news of his death on the show. Did you really? Yes. And then we had to record something to go in front of the episode that said, just kidding, he's not dead. I broke the news of his death on the show. Did you really? Yes. And then we had to record something to go in front of the episode that said, just kidding, he's not dead. Excuse the first five minutes of this episode. Yeah, absolutely. Where I confirmed the passing of Hugh Hefner. But presciently

you did. Yes, you did. But I'm more confident saying that Jay Leno went to Emerson. Okay. But there's still a degree of uncertainty. I would say that I am willing to risk it all. A partner besides? Willing to risk it all. Besides, I was going to say something so annoying.

I was going to say besides you, who is the biggest alum to come out of Amherst? Who is the biggest alum to come out of Amherst? No, I think David Foster Wallace. Oh, that's a good one. Yes, of course. Probably a little bit bigger than you, I think. I would say you surpass that's a good one. Yes, of course. Probably a little bit bigger than you, I think. I would say you surpassed him. But also Matt Besser.

Oh, fun. Yeah. Great. Yeah, I'd say David Foster Wallace probably wins out of the three of you guys. I'm going to say I want like a The Hours type movie where you follow David Foster Wallace at college. You follow Matt Besser at college. And you follow Apar Wallace at college. You follow Matt Besser at college. And you follow Aparna at college. And Aparna goes to a UCB show in her youth with what?

I just, I'm enraptured. Yeah. With a copy of, you know, Infinite Just. Yeah, I was going to try to go for another one, but I couldn't think of one. And, you know, it all converges at Aparna. Absolutely. You'd be the Meryl Streep in that scenario. And then we have brought it back around.

She can't be on the pages of a book, but she can be in this dream scenario of an Aparna film. Absolutely. And Aparna would be played by Meryl. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. As we all hope to be. Yeah.

Yeah. But she can pull off. No one would be mad that Meryl would be playing just someone, no physical resemblance at all. Right? No people would be mad. I think Meryl would be an amazing me. I think she'd play me amazing.

I think she would be, yeah. I think she would do us all justice. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know about me. It's hard with us because we are different cultures. We look different. Absolutely.

But, you know, if anyone was going to do it, it would be Meryl. Yeah. I don't think she would approach either my nor Parna's sort of emotional for Parna's case emotional complexity for my case emotional simplicity she would overshoot it that's horrible

she would add depth to me that was not there and I think that would play that would be very very easily people would see that and be like it would be so transparent very easily, just people would see that and be like, that's, it'd be so transparent. People would be like, Bone was never like this.

You know, Bone was not this emotionally mature. So that's my thing with Meryl. Do you think that the author that she played in Adaptation was as wonderfully fabulous to watch as Meryl was in Adaptation? Oh, you're talking about... You think Dingo Ate My Baby was this amazing miracle of a person? You're talking about... But for Adaptation, you're Susan Orlean.

Susan Orlean, who is wonderful, has her own podcast now. That's fine. Is she as good as Meryl Streep to watch? I don't know. Stop it. She taught some classes at NYU. I don't care. Okay. Everyone has a podcast. Everyone has a podcast nowadays. She taught some She taught some classes At NYU I don't care Okay

Everyone has a podcast Everyone has a podcast Nowadays Everyone teaches at NYU Everyone has a podcast It's horrible Aparno do you Do you still have your podcast

We're trying to resuscitate it Great It's good to do that Shop it around To a network Yeah You gotta have a network These days

We love our people At Forever Dog Hi Hi Hi Producer Joe They're not our people at forever dog hi hi hi producer joe they're not our people they're people their own and we work together they're not our people it's horrible for you to say don't not not the literal possessive i'm just saying they're on

they're in our camp yeah i'm but you know aparna you have to you have to find the right people and you have to be able to call them our people comfortably. Have you guys been working together from the beginning? From the jump. That's the dream. Are you asking about since birth? Hmm? You're asking about since birth?

Yes. No. No. We didn't know each other when we were born. Okay. But many years later we did meet. And then from that point on we did put words together. Great.

From when we met. Yeah. we did meet and then from that point on we did put words together great from when we met yeah but I will say that we have had some difficult moments with who? with me and you okay like what?

well I would say that in the very beginning of our relationship yeah Bowen was threatened by me not because of why you'd think which I don't know why you'd think but he thought that I was straight and trying to date the girl

that he liked allegedly yes we did have a difficult moment about a female woman and this was when we were both in the closet early days of college and I felt threatened and I said this Bowen thought that i was going to date

shermung bielefeld who now works at bark box yeah hi shermung i saw her at the place where i wait tables the other day and i had you saw her where i saw her at brooklyn crab like at the you didn't tell me this our old friend mung she came into brookrab where I wait tables, and I saw her, and it was like I had to do it like a double take. In fact, I took their order first. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, my God, you are Mung. And she was like, yes, hi.

And then we had a conversation, and I texted Bowen, of course. Oh. And it took me back to this place of animosity. Yeah. But, you know. Wait, where did you guys go to college? NYU. New York University.

Oh, okay. New York University. So it isn't crazy that she would show up again? No, no, no, no, no, no. In fact, I would say likely. It was likely, but that was the... To think that Matt and I, just our origin story starts with over a girl

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I'm going to slip you a couple of 20s under the table for that. Emma Roberts. When it came into my email inbox, I was like, okay, I know I'm going to love this so much that I don't even want to read it. Because if I can't be in it, I'm going to be bummed. And Colin Jost. You know, your wife was the first guest on Table for Two. It's come full circle.

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intimate, surprising, and often hilarious. Listen to Table for Two with Bruce Bozzi on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, I would also say that we probably have to be like, what, the 107,000th most notable person of NYU? Probably many thousands of people more notable than us from there. Not like Amherst, where it's like like you, David Foster Wallace, and Besser.

The Olsen twins coming out of NYU. It would have to be like the hundreds. That puts us at least three and four. I forgot they went to school there. They did. They did. Aparna, we're going to ask you the question now that we ask all of our guests, which is what was the culture that made you say cultures for me?

What was the culture that was... Formative for you. Wrapped in a blanket, tied to the beak of a stork. The stork flew in with a little, you know, a little, a mailboy cap and just gently placed it on your doorstep. And you opened it and you said, wow, I've arrived at culture. You remember the scene from The Prince of Egypt, the movie animated film about the birth of Moses.

Yes. And the story of Moses. You remember in the beginning of the film when Moses goes down the river in the basket and arrives at the feet of the pharaohess. You are the pharaohess here, and Moses is your culture. Oh, wow. Wait, would that one count as the book being better than the movie?

Yes. I think the Prince of Egypt is better than the Bible. At least Exodus, the book of Exodus. Right, the movie better than the book. I liked it. It had much better songs. Yes, absolutely. I can't say any of these. I liked it. It had much better songs. Yes, absolutely. I can't say any of these songs in the Bible.

The Bible needed more songs. It needed a much better score. Yes, absolutely. But that's the question. I feel like I started, like I tried to go back really early when I was thinking about this question and I just landed at Sesame Street,

but then I was like is that what everyone No. Beautiful they don't say that. People haven't said that. But you know what that's because they're not smart enough to say that. And Sesame Street I mean it's what a nice universal touchstone. Oh my gosh. I wonder if it still is though because

It is. It affects lots of kids still to this day and you know what they do which I think is really good. There's an autistic character. Yes, I've heard about this. Yeah. She's a girl. Too Many Stars? Yes.

They did a second where it was like they flashed to Sesame Street and it was, there's an autistic character and there's her best friend who kind of like, not speaks for her, but helps her communicate. Because she's there with her and they're kind of like a duo on the show. But it's beautiful. It's wonderful. And they're little cute Muppets. They're adorable. I love it.

Didn't they have the first HIV positive character? They did. They did. He was also a Muppet. He, she was also a Muppet. They were a I believe a character on the show, a Muppet. Yeah, I don't, a character on the show, a Muppet. Yeah, I don't think they were an actor.

No. But that's what I'm saying. It's like you hear about it doing all these groundbreaking things. You're like, God, I didn't even know that was still on. I love that answer. Now what, let's say you were being asked, you were booked on Sesame Street. What was, and you were being presented with,

you had to present the letter of the day. What's your letter? Oh, man. I'm, ooh, I'm going to go with N. N. You know what? Yeah. And then there's a little snap.

There's some M&Ms. And then you go, no, no, no. We're going to nibble N on the M&Ms. Oh, my gosh. I think that's wonderful. That's beautiful. Who would your scene partner be? Who was your favorite character on Cess? I loved Grover.

Grover. Grover's the best one. That Grover is the best one. Who was your favorite? I love that grouch. I love Oscar the Grouch. I love like a fucking unapologetic. Oh, yeah.

I refer to her, the say the Groucho, she was never having it. No. No. I recently saw a little bust of Oscar the Grouch and it was like something

you could stand next to and pose. And then I just sat next to that thing and we threw a lot of shade. You and Oscar. Oscar's a shady queen. I love that Oscar the Grouch. You're right. Oscar never. Cookie Monster is the one too. Oh, yeah. Cookie Monster. lot of shade you and oscar oscar i love that oscar the grouch you're right oscar cookie monster is

the one too oh yeah cookie monster but grover was so was so lovely and loving and grover had no hang-ups like cookie monster the only subject matter you could talk about with him was cookies so what i'm saying with grover you can open up and you don't he's not gonna hijack the conversation from you i gotta tell you something i can't picture Grover in my mind's eye. Who the fuck is Grover? Do you know what we're talking about? Grover, Super Grover. Super Grover?

With the little knight's helm? Yes. Yes. Oh my God. And the cape. You don't know Grover? I know Elmo. The blue one.

I know Cookie Monster. The blue one. The blue one with the pink nose. Yeah, no. I only have time for two blue Sesame Streets, and it's Cookie Monster and Gonzo.com. Gonzo. Gonzo's a Muppet, though.

Oh, shit. I mean, they're all technically Muppets, but Gonzo's more Jim Henson. You're telling me Gonzo wasn't in Sesame Street? He might have made a cameo like Kermit would every now and then, but he wasn't a staple character. Oh, my God. Is it crazy that we're not saying Big Bird?

Absolutely. I never loved Big Bird, and I feel bad saying that even out loud. Let's unpack this. What is it about her? I think, I don't know. I think I may be too big. Probably too big. Which I feel weird about saying out loud.

No, because you know what? I saw that Billy on the Street episode where it was Big Bird and Michelle Obama in that grocery store, and I did not understand the engineering behind that puppet. I was like, how many people are in there? It's gotta be a person in a suit, right? Or multiple. It's like an eight foot tall thing. It's on stilts, I guarantee.

But then the arms and the arms are gigantic. The hands are gigantic. Someone's operating the blinking and the mouth. What is the mechanism? I think it's also because a lot of the Muppets felt like kids to me. And for some reason, Big Bird did not feel like a kid.

But I think that might have been my size bias. You're a size in the queer community. You're a size queen. And I want to say that Big Bird, a little too chilled out. And as a kid, it rattled. It was jarring. I was like, why is he that calm? No one should be this calm.

I don't get it at all. I think it's very disquieting. I agree with you. And I also would say that... What would you say? I would say that Big Bird, the timbre of Big Bird's voice, something was very wrong. Like this, yeah. Yeah, something was very wrong. Hey, birds don't talk like that.

They don't talk like that. Also, I have to ask this question. What kind of bird is that? I mean, we don't, that's, we understand that it's a big bird, but we don't know what kind of bird that is. It's very confusing. And you are setting an unrealistic expectation in child's minds about what an avian creature looks like.

Yeah. Yeah, they don't look like that. No. They don't look like that. They certainly don't. And honestly, is it central to ostrich? Because why is it in America? And certainly why is it in New York City?

And it's all yellow. Certainly why. You know what? This is a fashion icon on Sesame Street. Sure. The Count. I'm saying The Count is it. Certainly why. You know what? This is a fashion icon on Sesame Street. The count. I'm saying the count. The accessories. The cape. The hair.

You're going to come for cookie about being just about cookie and you're not going to come for count about just being counting? It's ridiculous. That's very pro-capitalism. I would argue that the Count's obsession with numbers means that he wants to have a conversation. He wants to talk to the world in terms of universal languages,

which is math, which is numbers. Everyone knows what numbers are. Everyone can relate to numbers. I'm with you now. It's a universal language. The Count is a diplomat, the diplomat of Sesame Street. Yeah. Absolutely.

I would say I love Elmo, but I have a problem with Elmo. Yeah. And it's less to do with Elmo as a person and more to do with the way I believe he was presented over time. Oh. His thing became too much about tickling. And, you know, as we go forward in time, you have this idea that, you know, not everyone would want to be tickled.

Yeah. So, Invitations to Tickle, the child that was Elmo, I just, I don't know if I feel comfortable with his image being Tickle. Yeah. Yes. Did you guys see Tickle, the documentary? No. I've heard about this up and down, though.

Have you seen it? I'm normally not disturbed. Yeah, okay, tell us about it. I was super disturbed. Yeah, okay. But also because I don't even know, I don't want to give it away. Not that you can really give a documentary away.

Talk more about it, though. I want to hear. I feel like Tickle is like a documentary away. Talk more about it, though. I want to hear it. I feel like Tickle is like a documentary front. The premise is a front, and then when you learn what it actually is, it gets a lot darker. Oh, no. Yeah.

It's like Million Dollar Baby. It's like Million Dollar Baby. The front is a rom-com, but then you realize... It's more than that. It's more than that. It's a sports film. You haven't seen that film. I haven't.

You haven't seen Million Dollar Baby? I don't like Clint Eastwood. I also haven't seen Million Dollar Baby. Fuck off. Here, I'll tell you this. When you know a little bit about Million Dollar Baby, what do you think it's about? Clint Eastwood. Sports.

Boxing. Right. You think it's about boxing Clint Eastwood. In sports. In sports. Boxing. Right. You think it's about boxing? It's not. I will give you away what it is. What is it? It is a drama about euthanasia. Really?

Yes. Who's being euthanized? Would you like me to tell you? Spoiler alert for those of you out there who have not seen the 2004 film that won Best Picture at the Oscars, Million Dollar Baby. I'm going to give away the end of Million Dollar Baby. Morgan Freeman? Stop. Morgan Freeman? Hell you. Morgan Freeman's in the movie. He's very much in the film in a supporting role.

Okay, who gets euthanized? There is a scene where Hilary Swank is boxing and she is there's a break in the match and she's swung at by her competitor. She gets punched, falls, and she snaps her neck

on the chair. So this happens like What chair? There's a chair nearby. Listen, best picture winner. We can't argue with that. The logic is inarguable. It won. Like many before.

Just like Crash. You can't argue with Crash. You can't argue with Crash. It just won. It won. It's a perfect film. It just won. It's perfect. Nothing problematic or horrible about it at all. Not even a bad script.

It won. So, she snaps her neck on this chair, which is there. And then, this happens about two-thirds of the movie in. So, there's a lot of movie left to go. The Chekhov's gun of the movie is a chair. That's insane. I don't even think the chair appears in the first third. So there's no warning about this chair. There's never even a character that says,

better watch out for these chairs. If you leave them out, someone could snap their neck. But you're saying there's not even one seatable piece of furniture in the first two acts of the film. It's very suspect, but it won Best Picture in some way. Okay, we can't question it.

So she does snap her neck on this chair. And she's unconscious for the rest of the movie? No. She becomes paraplegic. Oh no. And so there is no one there. Okay. Her mother is very like white trash,

like wants her to like give her the money that she has from being a boxer or something. Like they want to, like there's this very upsetting scene where like all her life, Hilary Swank has like tried to gain the favor of her family and like the love of her family. And she's, the mother comes there

and she's like pretending to love her and everything. And then she wants her to sign, um, this piece of paper that says they're going to get all her money or something. And she comes literally in her like Disney world, Mickey mouse shirt. Like they're like on the way,

I think. And she goes as far as to put the pen in Hillary Swank's mouth to get, because she can't use the rest of her body. She's a quadriplegic. She's a quadriplegic. She's a complete. Oh yes. Yeah. She's a quadriplegic. She's a quadriplegic. She's a complete... Oh, yes. She's completely unable to move from the neck down.

There's harrowing scenes of her trying to end it because she's a boxer. She wants to live. She doesn't want to live anymore. It's horrible. And you think the movie is going to be about a woman boxer. But it's not. It's paraplegia.

It's very... Quadra. Quadriplegia. So she puts the pen in Hilary Swank's mouth and Hilary Swank is supposed to sign it with her mouth. No. And Hilary Swank, Hilary Swank, Hilary Spank, she spits out the pen and says,

get out of here. And the mother leaves in a huff. And so she says to Clint Eastwood, you know what I want you to do. And she is giving him the message that she doesn't want to live anymore and she's not able to carry this out. So she puts it to him to make the decision

to end her life. And he does. Whoa. That's a lot. That is a lot. It is a lot. We should go see. Actually, that was what was so

heartbreaking about it. It won all these Oscars. And Hilary Swank won a second best actress Oscar. Woo, woo, woo. It's going to be about boxing. It's going to be triumphant. Story of the Spirit. Triumph. Triumph.

Triumph. And then you go there and it's just devastating. Yeah. It's horrid. Oh, my God. She really plays some real tragedies. Yeah. She doesn't know how to do light hillary swank she did one light movie i want to say what did she do that was ever light besides

playing heidi klum in an snl sketch she was really good on she was a really good heidi klum on project yeah she bizarrely does all these tragedies and and then she's one of the better SNL hosts. You know what? I think there's a campaign to be had about booking her for something light. You know what? Freedom Riders. Remember that movie she did, Freedom Riders? Yes.

You know that had some darkness in it. You know, that could have been a joy to watch the whole time. She was in a movie about like, hi, I'm a white woman at this all black school, and we're going to learn how to write. Oh, literally it was that. Wasn't she in PSI Love You? Sure. She was in PSI Love You and her husband is dead in it the whole time. Alright, you're right. She's heavy. Heaviness follows her. She's heavy. Let me tell

you something. She's no... Nothing wrong with heavy though. She's no Rachel McAdams. Well, alright. Just picked any actress that's been in any light movie. Anyway, Sesame Street, yes. I just want to bring this back to Sesame Street. And for me, growing up a little boy, not really knowing what English is,

it was a very nice thing to have. That's just what I wanted to say. I'm getting looks. I was a barn. No, I just suddenly had a flashback to when I was in maybe fourth grade, and this girl who was the cool girl said she never watched Sesame Street, even when she was little, and I was so disturbed by what it took to be cool in my mind. What happened to her?

I don't know. What it took to be cool in your mind was withhold, or just not. Well, that even when you're four, you know that Sesame Street is for babies. Damn. That sucks. Or that even when you're four, being cool is not engaging with something. Yeah. I hate that.

I know. I hate superiority. I think it's the least attractive quality. Well, outside of being a racist, being a sexist. Which is a form of superiority, honey. Absolutely it is. And you know what? Thank you.

Yeah. You're welcome. It's the fourth. I don't like it when people come in there and they say, I'm not doing that. I'm better than this. Or when they roll their eyes. I remember this happened to me in high school. We were playing Manhunt.

We were far too old to be playing Manhunt. Oh, yeah. And some kid drove up in his car. And he was two years younger than us, too. We were like 17 years old playing Manhunt. I'm not familiar. What's Manhunt? Manhunt is like hide and go seek, but higher stakes because it takes place at night.

On a larger scale. Okay, okay, okay, okay. And he was like, I'm not going to play Manhunt. And I was like, wow, you are so much better than us. Although if you were in a social situation now and everyone was like, let's play

Manhunt and hide around the fucking city. You'd say no for different reasons. You wouldn't say no because you were better than above it you would say no because listen that's not safe we live in new york city etc this isn't a good time in this climate absolutely absolutely to be jumping out yeah screaming i just i just think there's a really fine line between superiority and just discomfort and saying no. You're putting a lot of stigma on saying no when that's not the time to be doing this.

So I think you should really think about what you're saying, Matt. I'm sorry, Aparna, you're catching us at a really antagonistic time. But, you know, this is just the dynamic. It's because of the weather, I think. it's because of the weather i think it's because of the weather okay let's take a quick break and we'll be right back with a partner in charla okay listen up everybody we have a new initiative in place it's time to talk some business wouldn't you say bo i would say so absolutely now uh this new initiative that we're doing um i think that we have done pretty well i think las cultur, we've all had a good fun time here.

Good fun time, but... It's time. It's time to raise the ceiling. Oh, yeah. As they say, and reach the ceiling. And reach for the stars, and reach for the top... Of the charts.

Of the charts, honey. We want to be chart toppers in this new initiative called Operation Chart Topper, or the Chart Topperation... Or Project Chart Topper or the Chart Topperation or Project Chart Topperation or the Chart Topperation Project. Now, whatever you choose to call this, here's the point. We want everyone to subscribe to this podcast.

We want reviews, honey, that are nice. And we want five-star ratings. Now, it's not really just enough to garner all these things, is it, Beau? It's not. It's not. We have to get all of these things, specifically in this order, subscribe, rate, five stars, and review, so the little typey typers at Apple can go, oh, look, boss, a blip. Yeah.

And that blip is going to be the culture restess, the movement that is Las Culturistas. Yes, and so here's what's going to happen. It helps this movement, and it helps trick these little computers, computer babies over at Apple and iTunes, if we all do this at the same time. So here's what's going to happen.

Here's the project heart operation. We, in just a moment, are going to say go. And then from that go, you have 20 seconds, which is all it should take you, really, to go subscribe if you haven't, give us that five-star rating, and write a kind little review. Now, what can go in your review? Yes. What can go in the review? You can give us a rule of culture and number it, and we might read it on the pod. Oh, yeah. Oh, what can go in your review? Yes. What can go in the review? Tell me. You can give us a rule of culture and number it and we might read it on the pod. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You can

tell us what your culture that made you think was culture was for you was. Or you can just, you know, be kind. Yeah. Literally, try to outdo each other with how rapturous the review can be. Yes. How about that? Now, listen. Every week, we're going to be coming back and we're going to be reporting to you on how

many different reviews we've gotten. We want to keep u be coming back and we're going to be reporting to you on how many different reviews we've gotten. We want to keep upping the stakes and we will read some of these reviews. Yes. So are you ready to get this started? I'm so ready to get this started. Let's go on the count of three. Let's say the word. And what should we do in the 20 seconds to fill this time? Oh, let's catch up. But let's talk about what we're going to do this week, like what our plans are. Okay, I love that. I love that. It's nice and simple. All right, ready? Everyone, one, two, three, go. What are you going on this week, Matt?

Well, I'm going to see you on Tuesday. Oh, yeah. And we're going to be rehearsing for my Christmas show, Have You Heard of Christmas? At the Duplex on December 12th and 21st at 9.30 p.m. And I'm really excited about that. I'm so excited for that show. I know a lot of fun people who are coming to it. Oh, it's almost 20 seconds.30 p.m. And I'm really excited about that. I'm so excited for that show. I know a lot of fun people who are coming to it. Oh, it's almost 20 seconds. Oh my God.

And you know what? It is. Wow. Wow. Have you left your review yet? I actually have already. I left a review today. Yes.

I've left my review months ago. Wow. What did you say for yourself? I said, what a fun podcast. By the way, I'm a co-host. To that effect effect I said something oh okay I was very transparent

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you gotta be transparent so please please leave us a review it really is a great way to help the podcast succeed we want

all as many ears as possible on the podcast so that you guys can all just join in on the fun and talk about culture with us. And who knows what new exciting things will come as we

join the pantheon of chart toppers. Yeah. It's gonna be Joe Rogan, Guys We Fucked, and us. Sorry, my favorite murder. Bye. And we're back with Aparna. Aparna, okay, tell us about, because the marketing for this show,

corporate, is very minimalist. Yes. I don't really know. I haven't seen anything about it yet. Explain it to me. I actually haven't seen all the promos for it, so I'm not sure even what you've seen. I've seen subway posters.

Oh, yeah, that is very minimalist. Which is just Comedy Central is corporate. It's very much like what Netflix is doing. Like, Netflix is a joke with all their comedy stuff.

Oh, right. I feel like it's sort of pulling from that same idea. Maybe. I'm not getting it. I'm still not getting it. It's just, all it is is

the ads are Comedy Central is like corporate or something like that. Oh, okay. And it's just white letters on black, nothing else on there. Now, after having been in the show, do you know what it is more than like what they would let on in the, because it sounds like the people making the posters don't know what it is.

Yeah. Oh, well, it is a workplace comedy. Okay, okay. About a giant soulless corporation. It is a workplace comedy. Okay, I can give you enough for the title. About a giant soulless corporation. So I think maybe they're trying to emulate that soullessness and how it's this monolith brand and everyone sort of just squirms under its reach. Now what's your role in the show? I am the two main characters.

They're like junior executives. And I am their friend who works in HR. You're the HR worker. HR lady. The oft, I'm going to say the oft sort of worshipped or oft maligned. Maligned. It's very hard to live in a middle ground with HR in my experience. I've never had an HR person.

I've only ever worked in restaurants and the like. Oh, right. They never have that. Oh, absolutely not. And that's the place where they should be the most. Right. Absolutely. So you guys have both dealt with HR people?

Yes. Yes. So did you pull from real life? Yeah. But it's funny because this show is like sort of the whole like corporations are people mentality. Yeah. Capitalism is king. So I think the HR person in this environment is a little bit always at odds with.

Oh, okay. So you're sort of like an antagonizing, antagonistic. Yeah, or I'm just like struggling with trying to do my job. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah. I would watch you struggling with trying to do my job yes yeah yes oh yeah I would watch you do that yeah for a hundred episodes

in syndication you are serious regular I am yes I love that I'm so excited when does it premiere January 17th

okay that's a Wednesday what how do you know this how do you know that I just I have that weekend yeah but you have a sixth tool

I have a sixth tool, which is calendars. Gregorian calendars. That's unbelievable that you just knew that. No, no, no. You're amazing. Stop. So incredible. So who's involved?

I really don't know anything about the show. Talk to us about it. Jake Weissman and Matt Ingebrigtsen are the two leads. Great. And they co-wrote and created it with Pat Bishop, who's the director. Great. I love Jake Weissman a lot. Yeah, they're both real good in it.

Nice, nice, nice. And then is it, just give us the whole rundown. Single cam? Single cam. No laugh track. No laugh track. Okay, okay. Well, I'm out.

I'm not watching that. I need a multi-am with a laugh track. With cues. Do you like any of those shows now? Like any multicam shows? I'm so out of the multicam loop. Yeah. I don't even know what is, I should be watching.

All I know are comedians I know making fun of young Sheldon. Right. Of course that is. And that's not even a multicam. It's not? I have to break the news about this. I had no idea. That's amazing.

It is not a multicam. It is a single cam show. And I was shocked when I was watching it. And I'll tell you why I was watching it. Do we like that or do we hate that? Okay, go. I think I hate it. And I would hate it either way.

But I'll tell you what I was watching prior to that. And then I saw that Young Sheldon was what it was. The show Mom. Oh, which is a multicam. With that Young Sheldon was what it was, the show Mom. Oh, which is a multi-cam soundtrack. With Allison Janney and Anna Faris. Oh, right, yeah. It's funny. It's funny.

I've seen clips. I've heard that before. It's funny. And also, I will say this. It's like the land of lost comedic actresses. What? CBS or what? Jamie Presley's in it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Missy Pyle is in it. Oh, great. And it's like the four of them, and you're like, where are they? And that's where they are. And I'm sure they're getting CBS money. They're doing fine. Oh, yeah.

They're doing great. I will say Jamie Presley was in a fat suit. No. Fat suit comedy is like alive and well on CBS. None of us know about it. But it's happening. But in a fat suit, like her character always. No, no, no.

I think that her character on the show has gained weight. And it's funny. And she's in a fat suit. And that's funny. See, I think this is all signaling towards there will. I can't wait for the next prestige multicam show I think we're due for that

what would you say the last one was I mean like maybe Seinfeld I mean whatever that's like the stock answer in terms of actual prestige in terms of like what garnered awards oh yeah the New Adventures of Old Christine won things New Adventures of Old Christine. Yes. Won things. Yeah.

New Adventures of Old Christine won things. How I Met Your Mother. How I Met Your Mother. And then like, there's also Two and a Half Men was nominated for shit.

Doesn't mean it was actually good. But in terms of prestige, I guess Mom, she won Best Supporting Actress a couple times. But I'm saying like something

that is like actually good. No, not even that. I'm sure these shows are great. But I'm saying something that is actually good. No, not even that. I'm sure these shows are great. But it's something that is not necessarily pandering towards middle America. Which is fine. I'm just saying there's plenty of that.

Populist is populist for a reason. A lot of people like it. And so I just want there to be a multi-cam show that's a little bit like, whoa, this is specialized in some way. You know, that's all I'm saying. But corporate. OK, I'm so excited now because it's got great people.

It's got you and it's it's it's a very relevant premise. And I can't wait to see it. What else can you tell us about it? So the CEO is played by Lance Reddick and he's real great. Oh, I know him from Lost. Yeah, Lost and The Wire, even further back. Yeah, wow, he's kind of scary. He is, he's perfect.

Oh, great. He's so good. Okay, great casting already. Okay, great casting. I want to say one more thing about Mom. Okay. Because you moved on to another conversation like the wind. Wait, what's the premise of that

and this is what I want to say it is bordering on a prestige topic because it's about a mother and daughter who are both

recovering alcoholics and everyone on the show is a recovering alcoholic that's great oh that is good which is good and also I think it like

it does it's not like oh well she fell off the wagon it's not that kind of humor it's just about these women who are all and it's all women the oh, well, she fell off the wagon. It's not that kind of humor. It's just about these women. And it's all women. The cast is all women.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's about these women that have this kind of community, that they were alcoholics. Every episode, I think, has at least a scene in AA where they're all kind of chatting and talking to each other. And it's actually this kind of nice thread. And it's actually, there were some moments in it that were actually funny. Yes, there was a fat suit. But, you know i guess on cbs you can't have it all but it was a different kind of thing you know what i mean i was like oh i can actually see that being brought into a pitch meeting and being like huh yeah that's actually really interesting and you know it's not like

you know your 30 rocks or yourevers didn't have fat suits either or employed some sort of humor that was in that same vein. What are you saying? That Tina Fey isn't perfect? No, I'm saying that that kind of humor... It's okay if you are saying that. That kind of humor sort of pervades everything. Right, right.

I mean, it's through everything. Oh, yeah. I mean, there's going to be easy jokes everywhere. It's just that this character's arc right now is that she's fully in a fat suit and it's just like it's just funny that that's happening and we don't know we don't know and we what do you mean we don't know oh oh yeah we're not because that's not we're not watching that show isn't like our jam sure but it's like i mean you have like you have like fat suit betty draper and like that's it's not a comedy it's like, it's that same thing of like,

whoa, like this is her story is that she, she gained weight. Like, well, I, well, that's different.

I think. Okay. All right. Here's what I think is different because Betty's weight gain, that's like a dramatic beat in her character's life. Whereas Jamie Presley wearing a fat suit on mom is to laugh. Figures into her journey coming out of alcoholism. You know what?

Maybe. Maybe. I'm just saying the way it was depicted in both. Well, you know what? Maybe I'm wrong. Wow. They both also had a dark black wig because, of course, brunettes. I don't know.

What's going on? They look like a fucking mess. They look much worse. They look much worse. They look much worse. Much, much worse. I mean, I think they're, I never watched, God, I never watched Workaholics. I feel like I've been like really jonesing for like a workplace comedy too. I'm interested.

Yeah, I wasn't a big Workaholics person either, but it was, you know, massively popular. That was a single cam, massively popular that was a single cam right that was single cam yeah i feel like it some people say like it paved the way for broad city in some way that was just like this like really the buddy vibe the buddy vibe and like you know you flip it and this might seem simplistic too but you flip that like what if it were two women oh right well it feels like comedy central kind of has like is balancing audiences right now they have like their broad city and inside amy schumer audience and then you got your like workaholics and like tosh audience so where would you say that this show fits in tonally if you were that's what's interesting

it doesn't feel like it fits squarely in either of those because I think there are veins of I wouldn't say it's bro-y at all which I think Tosh and Workaholics might welcome bros more easily. We could call them bro-y. But it's not anti-bro either so I feel like they might not know exactly

how to feel about it. But see I like that this is like a four quadrant shall I say a four quadrant show. Hits all the quads. What are the quads you would call? I would say, you know, I'm not gonna, you know, traditionally you would break this down by age group and by gender.

No, well, that's what the industry's doing and so we should do it too because the industry is, of course, right. No, no, no. Oh, yes. Absolutely, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying, let's all make our own quadrants, maybe, as an exercise. I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying let's all make our own quadrants maybe as an exercise. I'll start.

Okay, go ahead. People who stay at home and have a little tub of chicken salad in the fridge. Seems like a small quadrant, but okay. No, a lot of people fall under this umbrella. And another quadrant is people who will write down on a piece of paper, like, must shop for candles. Again, seems small. These are so specific quadrants. Yes, but you would be surprised that this is so general.

And then people who write down on a piece of paper, this is a different quadrant, must go shopping for candles and chocolate. How many quadrants are there? Four. There's only one more. There's only one more. So you have people that write down must buy candles.

You have people with a chicken salad. People that do both? No, who write down must-buy candles and chocolate. Okay, and what's the fourth quadrant that encompasses everyone else? People who live in Nebraska. Okay. Those are the four quadrants. And I think I'm so excited that corporate hits all of those.

That's amazing. What would you say the quadrants are for you? For me, there's two. That's not a quadrant. Those are just two halves. Okay, for me, there's four. Okay. There's ocean people. Yes.

Mountain people. Yes. Desert people. Yes. And forest people. Which one are you? Me? Yes. Ocean. I'm from Long Island, which is an island surrounded by water. So I have to be an ocean person. And there's very little mountains or desert or

well, there's forest, but, you know. Sure. I'm probably closer to that quadrant, but I'm an ocean person. I mean, I'm from... I can breathe underwater, too. I should say that. Okay.

I thought it was two quadrants. You thought it was two quadrants? Mm-hmm. No, I thought it was... So the two axes are age and gender. But I thought it was young males, 18 to 34, and then everyone else. Really? Wow. Well, I think Apar young males, 18 to 34, and then everyone else. Wow.

Well, I think Aparna's making a comment. I'd like to make a comment. She'd love to make a comment, and you know what? She has something to say. What are the four quadrants for you? Well, I guess if they get one quadrant, then the other three would be everyone else and separated by what? Old babies. Old babies. other three would be everyone else and separated by what old babies and third would be non-age conforming wow that's one we haven't gotten to yet non-age conforming truly i mean who knows

i identify as 19 i'm not gonna be one i'm'm not going to be someone who speaks to identity politics around age, whether it's valid or not. But you know what? It's a quadrant. And so we've acknowledged their existence. Whatever happened with Rachel Dolezal? She's still out there. She's still out there.

I'm sure she had or has a book coming up. Oh, you got to get the book. You know. If you're Rachel Dolezal and you don't have a book, you missed the boat. Who would play her in a movie? Meryl Streep. Meryl Streep, a porno. You're right. You know what? Why didn't I even think

about that one? No, who would play her? Catherine Hahn. I'll tell you what. Yeah. Do you remember when Angelina Jolie straight up did do Blackface? No. In what movie? A Mighty Heart, where she played Angelina Jolie? Yeah, she blackface? No. In what movie? A Mighty Heart. Where she played the- Angelina Jolie? Yeah, she played the journalist Marianne Pearl.

Oh, A Mighty Heart. I think you're talking about A Mighty Wind. I forgot about that. She played the journalist Marianne Pearl who was black. No one ever said anything about that. Wow. Yeah, she was nominated for awards. That's so weird.

This was within 10 years ago. Yeah, this is a thing. That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. And it wasn't- It was played straight up. It wasn't like some like comments on that like Tropic Thunder.

I mean. Which still is like right on the edge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like it was fully her playing someone who was not her ethnicity. Yeah. I take back what I said about Katherine Hahn because that would be like a little controversial I think you need to cast someone who has the background

of both and that would be like a Maya Rudolph yeah if it's not Meryl and then if it's not Maya then it's Catherine Maya Rudolph actually is an amazing actress of course she is did you see Away We Go

is that the one with Jim Maya Rudolph actually is an amazing actress. Of course she is. Did you see Away We Go? No. Is that the one with Jim Krasinski? John Krasinski. Jim, of course, is an actor from The Office. But they blend together. They're very similar. Very similar. Maggie Gyllenhaal.

Oh, yeah. Maggie Gyllenhaal was good in that. And if you're married to Paul Thomas Anderson, you've got to have the chops. She's great in Big Mouth. Okay. So I think this is like, I'm scared to watch the show a little bit because it's going to feel like really real. Now you put it in her head that she's coming here and made the show seem terrifying.

No, no, no, not terrifying because it's going to feel like really, it's going to just elicit like, wow, capitalism is bad. It's this bad. It's this bad at every level. It's this bad at every company. But you know what? You're making it humorous. It's this bad. It's this bad at every level. It's this bad at every company. But you know what? You're making it humorous, so that will be a gift. It's actually rule number 75 of culture.

You gotta make it humorous. You gotta make it humorous. Don't make fun of my words. I know my heart. No, I don't know my words, but I know my heart. I do know my heart. That's my quote.

That's my quote with Matt Rogers. Look, I'm gonna watch the show regardless. Look, I'm going to watch the show regardless. Look, I think you've done a great job of promoting it. I'm certainly not going to come here and say that you've done a shitty job promoting it. I'm not going to come over and shit on my guests. Aparna, we've been trying to get Aparna on the show for what? I know.

17 years? 17 years. Oh my God. And you know what? Since I was one year old. Since you were one year old? Since you were one. She, of course, identifies as being an 18-year-old woman.

18-year-old woman. 18-year-old woman. Aparna, I think you could be cast as young as five. Thank you. Yeah, I know maybe, I don't know if you're, for your next role, if you want to play under your age, over your age, but I think you can reach that far back. That's so nice. Yeah.

Have you guys seen Lady Bird? Yes. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't either, but I was like, oh, she's so young, but then she's playing a little younger. Yeah, she's playing like 17.

Which is so refreshing. Yeah. She is, well, by the time this episode is out, she'll have hosted SNL. I think she'll be wonderful. I'm excited to see her. I'm very excited to see her. I think she'll be wonderful. I'm excited to see her.

I'm very excited to see her. I think she'll be wonderful. I think she's a talented actress. And also, it's a very Irish episode because the musical guest is you, too. What? Can you believe that? How huge that is for Ireland? That's a big win for Ireland.

That episode is the big... They better have some Ireland sketches. Yes. They better. I want to see a Blarney Stone. A Blarney Stone. Although, can I tell you something? Yes. I want to see a Blarney Stone. Although, can I tell you something? Yes.

I was recently in a room where there was being sketches pitched. Yeah. And somebody wanted to do a sketch about the potato famine. And somebody spoke up and said, we can't do that because it might offend some Irish people. Or there was like a potato joke. And someone was like, we can't do that joke because it might offend Irish people. And that's when I think we've just gone too far. We need to be able to make jokes about potatoes with Irish people in the audience.

And we have to laugh at that. Sure. I mean, I can't. Call me Jerry Seinfeld about that. I won't go on any campus where I can't be an Irish person and sit there and take a potato joke. Oh, my gosh. Was it punching up? I guess that's a valid question.

I don't remember. If it's punching up, then maybe. But you can't punch down at starving Irish people. Yeah, was it taking down Big Tato? Big Tato? I think it's happened long ago enough that we can talk about the potatoes. Don't you think? Yeah.

Okay. What's your disposition now? Nothing. I'm agreeing. I'm agreeing with you. A partner. Let's say you go to a college. Do you still do colleges?

You go to a college. They say you can't joke about blank. And whatever this is, you walk. You go, I'm sorry, I can't do the blank and you, and, and whatever this is, you, you walk, you go, I'm sorry, I can't do the show.

Oh, what would that be? Yeah. I guess depression. Sure. Okay, great. Yeah.

Yeah. And then you'd be like, okay, I can't do that. I can't do the show. It's fair. Do you have a writer at all? When you go to,

go to places, I keep forgetting. I have to fill one out. Really? Okay. I have the default one right now which is water it's water and like usually they'll put out like three granola bars and like two pieces of fruit and it just looks real sad but that's a solid right i would i don't know i would

ask for more i would have decadence yeah i would i definitely would i would get um probably like a bowl of cherries and you know a little bit of microwaved popcorn by nearby just microwave nothing gourmet yeah um and like a can of whipped cream or something you know for the cherries yeah and of course there couldn't be anyone speaking to me the whole time yes yeah i want to be spoken to that seems well That seems reasonable. That one's hard because there's all those student papers who want a piece of you. Yeah, and I would not want to talk to them.

And if they did speak to me, I would really, really, really hurt somebody. That would be awful. Absolutely. I still want to ask Aparna what would the additional items be if you were to if we had given you

we can get you anything for your last appearance what would I have requested oh man probably the latest self help book to read while you were waiting for this to go on while we're sending out the mics just skim through it Help us. Yes. Oh, okay. To read while you were waiting for this to go on. Yeah.

Just while we're sending out the mics, just skim through it. Like bedroom slippers. Yeah. Ooh, yes. I want to not wear shoes. Maybe like a low-key pillow. Uh-huh. Yeah.

Just a hold. Just items that you could use to build a nest. Yes, absolutely. Nesting self-care items. One quick question before we go to I Don't Think So, Honey. And this is really important. When you get home, shoes come off. Oh, me too. Right away.

I feel weird walking around my apartment with my shoes on. I thought you were going to say, I feel weird walking around with shoes. And I was going to say, yes, I don't want to wear no shoes. If I could get away with not wearing shoes in new york i would yeah but it seems like a risk it seems like a risk do you want to know something kind of weird about me i can't sleep with socks on that's not i think that's that's not weird here's why there's a qualifier i can't sleep with socks on because when i was little my uncle told us that if we slept with socks on because when I was little, my uncle told us

that if we slept with socks on, that a boogeyman would get us and come out of the closet. No. And I still can't sleep with socks on. Why would he do that? Because he's a terrorist.

Stop. An emotional terrorist. You can't. You have to grow out of that. I know. It's so hard. I'm also superstitious because of my mother.

Don't step on any cracks. Don't walk under any ladders. Yeah. What? I know. It's really crazy. Also, the number 13, terrified of the thing. What?

Oh, the number. The number itself. Number 13, don't like it. Black hats, I will turn around and go the other way. Oh, boy. I'm not kidding. I'm very superstitious. Oh, dang.

As Michael Scott in The Office say, I'm very superstitious oh dang as michael scott on the office say i'm not superstitious but i am a little yes which i think is one of the great that's a great comedic that's a great comedic quote and um you know uh on that note i think it's time to go into i don't think so honey yeah one minutes of quotes one minutes of quotes now uh for those of you who don't know, I Don't Think So Honey is our segment where we take one minute to rail against something. This episode is very NPR.

It is. We're very measured. We love the vibe. I love the vibe. Matt, you said you had one ready. I do. I have one. I need to speak on this.

Okay, so this is Matt Rodgers. So Matt will go, I'll go, and then Aparna. Okay, then I'll be ready. Perfect. Okay, so this is Matt Rodgers' I Matt will go, I'll go, and then Aparna. Okay, then I'll be ready. Perfect. Okay, so this is Matt Rodgers' I Don't Think So, Honey. Time starts now. I Don't Think So, Honey, Meghan McCain. Listen, I would take 15 Jetta Diabilas before one Meghan McCain.

I Don't Think So, Honey, Meghan McCain, you are not who I want to see co-hosting The View. Listen, if you're going to be conservative and blonde on The View, be tolerable. Listen, if when they turn to you to blonde on the view be tolerable listen if when they turn to you to talk about the frilly pop culture stuff have something to say megan mccain you're always like i don't know why we're talking about this when it's like about it's like bitch that's what you are there to do you're there to have an opinion of you on everything girl i will say this when this and also i don't think, the view. When the second most intelligent person on that whole panel is Sarah Haynes, we have a problem. Okay.

I will say this. Joy, it's so, we get it, Joy. It's the same. It's been the same. Sonny Hostin, you can say you're a lawyer as many as you want. I don't think you're that smart. You do not seem that smart to me. Meghan McCain, you offer nothing.

Bring back Jetta Diabela. Whoopi, you are amazing and definitely the icon. Five seconds. But you check in and check out. But this is about Meghan McCain and I Don't Think So Honey. Meghan McCain, the daughter of John McCain. And that's one minute. Wow. That kind of became I Don't Think So Honey, The View.

Well, can I tell you, I don't like Meghan McCain. Of course. It's like, I would rather have Elizabeth Hasselbeck than Meghan McCain. At least she's compelling. At least she's like, like, I don't know. At least there's like some At least she's like, like, I don't know. At least there's like some spirit to her. Like Meghan McCain, it's like, she's been on.

I watched The View. And Meghan McCain, she's been on the show for like two months. We had to celebrate her birthday and her wedding. Bitch, we don't know you. Oh, wow. Earn it. Earn it. I looked at HPJ in the eyes when I say this.

Yeah. Meghan McCain has to earn it. Sure. What has she done to earn it. Sure. What has she done to earn it? Her father is who he is? No. Also, stop acting like it's cable news. You need to take a daytime talk show hosting course.

Okay. Because you are not welcoming. I don't know. I just, I don't like her. There's an art to it, and she's not, there's an aptitude gap. And also, she does that thing, I was talking to a friend, and he brought something up really astute. She does that little spoiled rich girl thing,

which is the second you don't let her say everything she wanted to say, she throws a fit. It's like if she doesn't get all the way through a thought, and somebody jumps in, which they do on The View, because we just ain't got time. No time.

She'll throw up her hands and be like, well, I guess that I'm not going to be able to do what I'm supposed to be here to do, which is to give the other perspective. Oh, you can't do that on TV. Shut up. You can't do that on TV. And they fired Jedediah Biela to get her. And look,

Jedediah Biela is like a libertarian and I had my problems with her. Sometimes I was like, oh God, that's insane, the things that she says. And she was like one of those people that's like, Hillary, I could never vote for. You know, like one of those. Sure, sure, sure. But. You would rather have her back than.

At least at the end of the day, she was warm and like had fun things to say about things that weren't just politics. Meghan McCain is ice cold. And I'm not into what I think is, and I'm just going to say this, ABC only having her on the show so they can have access to McCain in his final years. What? I think that's what it is. What do you mean access to McCain?

I think that they can get John McCain on the show. For an interview? For, you know, I think it's a whole ABC News conspiracy. That's a long time. Because why else do we need Meghan McCain? Because she has sort of been on the peripheral, the periphery of like, she writes articles every now and then.

I want to like her. I think maybe. I'm sure she does. I want to like her. I keep wanting to like her. And then she says things like, they were all going around the table and saying who their celebrity crush was.

And she said Paul Ryan. No. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. It's not even cute to think he's hot anymore. Celebrity crush Paul Ryan. My celebrity crush. And the audience groans. And I was like, thank you.

That is so funny. Literally, Sonny Hostin, who I'm sorry, I don't like. And is there any? Sarah Haynes. They both said Idris Elba. Okay, fine. And I think, I forget who Joy and Whoopi said or whatever. And then they got to Meghan McCain.

She's like, well, mine's Paul Ryan. And the audience goes, oh. Like, of course it is. So is there any good host on The View right now? They're all good. I mean, Whoopi is, when she wants to be there, she's great. But sometimes you just get the sense

that Whoopi is just giving takes to the audience, like, can you believe we're talking about this? And yes, Whoop, we can. This is The View. We signed up for it. You're the moderator of the show.

You've been on the show for 10 years. You damn well know that we are talking about this. You are there. You see the prompts beforehand. You are not cooler than this show, Whoopi Goldberg. She's superior.

Superior. I don't like when she acts like that. Oh, superiority. Sarah Haynes, she's really giving her best effort. I don't even know who she was before the show. She's like the blonde,

liberal, fun one. I have no idea who she's like. She's like always pregnant. She's very that. Okay. Joy is joy. Yeah. And then there's Sunny Hostin,

who I'm sorry, I just, I don't get it. I gotta say, and this is not just because she's a podcast sister, but Michelle, when Michelle was on it. Michelle Collins, it was never better. It was never better. Oh, she's the queen though. She's the queen of talk. The best of when it was in recent years was

Whoopi, Michelle Collins, Raven Simone. Which, I'm sorry, I love Raven. Even though she said kooky stuff on that show sorry I love Raven even though she said kooky stuff on that show I love Raven and I guess Jetta Diabela was like a conservative

who was the full the fuller house the full house oh Cameron Beer and she's she's a dummy she's a dummy

but she's conservative yeah she's very conservative but also I appreciated the fact that like she was the conservative one and also was like by far the dumbest

so it was like she'd be like I don't know every day I pray and everyone was like oh god like and it was like fun to have that now it's like you have Meghan McCain was like superior about her like garbage point of view which is the trickle down works you know what I mean it's disgusting yeah yeah yeah yeah

interesting I love your whole breakdown of that I know you had so many passionate takes. That's what you get out of Matt Rogers, and I don't think so, honey. Yeah. So do you have one? I think so. I think so. I hope that you do.

He's rarely ever prepared a porno. Oh, I'm never prepared. That's okay. You're both out with you both. I'm going to start hosting the show with Michelle Collins. She'll do it. She'll do it. And Bowen Yang's time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. The line at Hale and Hardy today, November 28th, 2017, I went in there with a simple mission, a medium chicken pot pie, no bread, no crackers, just the damn soup. I ran into my good friend, Sashil, who works over at Comedy Central. Very nice guy.

We said hi. We exchanged pleasantries. It was the highlight of my experience at this fucking Hale and Hardy today because there's a huge line that goes out the door, and I go, what is going on? There's no one waiting at the soups line. It's everyone's waiting at the cashier line.

I don't think so, honey. 30 seconds. Not being able to manage the crowd during the lunch rush. I don't think so, honey. 30 seconds. Not being able to manage the crowd during the lunch rush. I don't think so, honey. This is Hudson Square. This is not the busiest neighborhood in Manhattan during the day, but it's a busy one. You've got a lot of people coming in from a lot of different industries and backgrounds and positions and levels up the food chain.

I don't think so, honey. You've got to figure this out. I had one soup and it took me 40 minutes. Five seconds. 40 minutes for soup? I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. That's one minute.

Oh my God. Wow. Beautiful. That was really well paced. Thank you. As someone who was complaining about pacing earlier. I was like, well, someone knows about pacing. I've learned from Call Me By Your Name what good

and bad pacing is. You know what? You gotta figure out. We're gonna get really... The thing is... You're gonna get a lot of shade. You can imagine, we have a large gay audience. And for us to be talking shit about Call Me By Your Name, I would say the last hour, I loved.

The first hour, if they rode their fucking bike to the lake one more time, I was going to get out of there. I couldn't see one more bike ride to the lake, Aparna. It's not... The ending was like a departure from the book, which is fine, but the takeaway from the movie is that he feels a certain way, and that's not really the case in the story.

That is unfair of you to say about the film because he's in a whole different place in his life in the film than he is in the book. But in the book you see the journey. And so that's all I'll say. Okay. A partner. We're sorry. We just know.

Okay. I'm going to, I'm, I don't know if I can summon up enough passion, but I'm going to try. You keep it as low energy or as high energy as you want. Do not, do not do not feel the need to to hit a certain decibel but this is a part of nancherla's i don't think so

her time starts now i don't think so honey friends who don't text during holidays like thanksgiving weekend because i feel like i we're all with our families and our loved ones and our chosen families and loved ones during this time and obviously we're all with our families and our loved ones and our chosen families and loved ones during this time. And obviously we're all supposed to be putting in quality time, but everyone reaches a limit with how much family you can be around. And then if no one else is texting, I feel like I'm the only one not experiencing fulfilled relationships. And then I feel extra lonely and isolated and i need other people to be like hey are you tired of listening to uh your mom make gentle nudges about how soon you should have kids before they might have uh you know birth defects or whatever it is and if no one else texts

it really feels like you're alone in the universe. And especially if they just leave you hanging on an emotional, you know, sore that you've opened up. And then you just have to look at it and see the non-response and be like, I guess you don't feel that way. And that's one minute. Oh. Yeah. But finish this thought. That was it. That was it.

I mean, first of all, completely appropriate that it was just at this nice NPR tone. This NPR level. Because I kind of felt that way too. I felt a little too. I mean, obviously for completely different reasons, different circumstances. I was like, oh yeah, I guess I'm just like at sea here socially and I feel a little stir crazy. I don't know if that's exactly what you felt. Well, I think everyone feels a little stir crazy

when they've had enough like home time or family time, but then they feel like there's some kind of social more to not be like texting with your usual social group. I don't know what it is. I'm friends with a lot of trash people who are on their phones and so that's not an issue for us. Oh, that's great. That must be like

the next level up because I, yeah, like, I don't know. Who are you, drag your friends down. Yeah,

I would love to hear you call someone out right now. Who didn't text you back? Joe. Was it Joe Firestone? Yeah, it was Joe Firestone. Yeah.

Fucking Joe Firestone. We gotta go get her. Get her. We gotta go get her. Who does she think she is? Well, drag her back in here. I think it's because

she's a good person. No. No, I don't think so. You know what? I take back what you said about only trash people text back because no. No one's above it. There's an etiquette. You respond if you're engaged, especially if it's one of your good friends, like a partner

is to Joe. And that is not acceptable. I would take Matt to task if he were, if he. If I didn't respond to Bowen, ooh. Oh, you wouldn't hear the end of it. But full disclosure, I think I did not text her. I think I thought about it, and then I was like, well, if she was a good friend, she would text me. She would.

Knowing how I was feeling. Absolutely. And you're right about that. She failed. I don't know if you feel like this with Joe, but I can feel how Bowen feels in the air. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes when he's gone for a long time,

and I know he's landing again, I will be sitting in my chair, which I'm doing when he's not in the States. I'm just sitting in my chair with my head down. And then when I feel him touch down, I will rise up, and I will feel with life again, and I'll say,

hello, friend. Oh, my gosh. It's almost like very Luke and Leia. Yeah life again and I'll say hello friend. It's almost like very Luke and Leia. Luke and Leia. Absolutely. That was my understanding of how friendship works. And Jo hasn't met that standard. No. But I'll give her time. Give her time. Because you know who else needed

time? Princess Leia. Meryl Streep. I want to say two podcast related things before we wrap up. I want to say that you should absolutely

head over to Apple Podcasts and you should give us a five star rating and you should give us a nice review because this really helps the podcast

rise to the top. And I'm serious guys. If you guys listening to this you know it wouldn't kill you. It rise to the top. And I'm serious, guys. If you guys are listening to this, you know, it wouldn't kill you. It wouldn't kill you. And look, you know, maybe leave a rule of culture in your review. Maybe we'll read it. We'll canonize it. And maybe by maybe we mean definitely we'll do it.

Definitely maybe. And, no, again, it really helps with visibility and all that. It hacks the algorithm. Also. And I want to say one other thing. It's good that we say this while our guest is here because our guest is actually a surprise story pirate. Oh, right.

And why always forget that you're a story pirate? Well, I was shocked that you knew because I was one a long time ago and I haven't actually done any story pirates-related stuff in a couple of years. I think you'd be an incredible story pirate. Thank you. Did you enjoy doing it when you did it?

I did. I loved it. It was so fun. And you came from a great class of people, because I think you were around the same time as maybe Natasha Rothwell was. Yeah, but she was New York and I was L.A. I think that's why I don't know a lot of the people who were one. But still an alumna. Sometimes you don't even know it.

A superstar is a secret story pirate. Now listen, I bring up story pirates because I would love, especially if you're out there and you have kids, you should check out the Story Pirates podcast on Gimlet. Yes. And they're so amazing. And I'm in a couple episodes. Have you been in a podcast episode yet?

I haven't been in the new iteration yet but I love as a listener someone who has not been involved yet it's such a joyful thing Rachel Winitsky a friend of the show is the head writer of the podcast

it's very good and very cute and some of the stories and some of the songs and the music it's just amazing well just put a smile on your face it really will and also guys it's short songs and the music, it's just amazing. Well, just put a smile on your face. It really will.

And also, guys, it's short. It's like 22 minutes. It's so good. And they have interviews with the kids that wrote the stories that get adapted. Oh, it's so good, Aparna. It's so nice. I just wanted to throw them a little bit of love. And one more podcast thing.

You know, Aparna's podcast with Jacqueline Novak. Any other co-hosts? No, just us. Blue Woman Group. Mm-hmm. Blue Woman Group. Listen to some episodes and if you run a podcasting network maybe throw your hat in for the bidding war. Thank you. I love that.

Now, this has been a very fun, nice episode. I'm really happy that we were able to spoil a million dollar baby. Yes. Talk and intellectualize Sesame Street. Yes, in that way. Absolutely. Aparna, thank you so much.

Thank you, guys. We love you very much. We love you. Thank you. Now we should leave with a song. Yes. Oh, the way you smile, Meryl Streep in every film. You win an Oscar, Meryl Streep, for every film you smile in.

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